community-update-classes

[vagrant pebble]

I'm complaining because I don't want to see assault SMGs

[hidden vector]

lemme take out these pesky snipers with my heli, oh god they have stingers

[wispy carbon]

I'm really curious about how they are going to address the communitys respone, if at all.

[terse token]

who cares? they bought the game and they should be able to play how they want

[hidden vector]

Lemme take out this LMG that's been holding this chokepoint from a window with a couple grenades, whoops they have the assault flak perks

[terse token]

i would like to see main spawns opened back up so we can run in there and spawn camp

[mystic escarp]

honestly assault SMGs are nowhere near as bad as other class and weapon combos that open weapons creates.

[tough kernel]

i feel like they wont bother but i might be too cynical on that but can you blame me?

[vagrant pebble]

Every single class using RM68, VHX, PP29, Rorsch, BSVM before they were nerfed should give DICE an idea why unlocked classes are a bad thing tbh 😂 Every single new gun in 2042 was meta for 3 months before they were nerfed and everyone used those weapons regardless of class.

[mild rock]

That's 2042 though.

[vagrant pebble]

BF6 will be same

2042: 2

[hidden vector]

New game, new meta guns

[terse token]

nah

[mild rock]

There will be meta guns like always but it won't be a railgun sniper that can invalidate rifles.

[vagrant pebble]

That's true

[fresh cliff]

Bf6 has the same class system currently, just without the individual character gadgets

[vagrant pebble]

Every new gun will be meta for at least a month imo

[wispy carbon]

justified cynicism

[terse token]

gimme my bow from bf4 and my cowboy revolver from bf1

[mild rock]

Like yeah there'll be prime ways to play the game and I understand the furstration but based off the weapons list it won't be nearly as crazy as 2042's.

[terse token]

i wish the maps were more open

[hidden vector]

lemme take out this recon upstairs, whoops he has an SMG

[mild rock]

I'm just gonna say if you see a recon playing like that you better assume they have an SMG.

[wispy carbon]

Is this really a problem for people?

[hidden vector]

AR bullet hits me at 60 yards, whoops Im spotted because he has a recon perk gets bombed

[wispy carbon]

that perk SUCKS

[mild rock]

They should definitely change it to that scopes that emit glint can spot you.

[fresh cliff]

Nah. It’s “let’s take this sniper out since I’m close” and he pulls out an smg because he’s using assault and has two primaries

[mild rock]

If I wanted to highlight some actual problematic things, It would be that sniper perk, It would also be that assault sling perk with two primaries which absolutely makes no sense in a battlefield game.

[light quarry]

i mean personally im more a fan of just tossing a c4 down the stairs, dont need an smg for that

[mild rock]

Just run a shotgun secondary and you're set.

[vagrant pebble]

What's funny is that I heard people defending it, ''CoD already has overkill and no one uses it'' as if BF plays like COD. 🤣

[mystic escarp]

dice should atleast lock snipers and lmgs

[hidden vector]

Predictability of engagements is good, I don't like RNG encounters. There's a skill to knowing what class your enemy is and reacting accordingly, can't do that in a universal guns system

[vagrant pebble]

They should lock every gun imo

[mystic escarp]

i wouldnt want that wacky COD perk anyway

[wispy carbon]

You would hate BF4 then

[mild rock]

It kinda does cause fundementally you shoot people.

[light quarry]

2042 sure did

[mystic escarp]

agreed, im just saying atleast lock that

[hidden vector]

yeah, BF4 wasn't ideal in terms of class system

BFV is where it's at

[vagrant pebble]

I'm using that in MWIII tbh, I pull out a shotty when I ran out of my SMG ammo

[mild rock]

My dude you can't read the specific kinds of guns everyone has in their hands all the time.

[mystic escarp]

i meant i wouldnt want it in BF

[vagrant pebble]

Oh yeah true

[mild rock]

By the way people play you can assume what kind of weapon they have.

Is there a recon running around? SMG or shotgun.

[fresh cliff]

V or HL

[wispy carbon]

I maybe SOMETIMES play a 1v1 against a sniper differently, but otherwise i generally treat all opponents the same.

[mystic escarp]

im pretty sure dice is removing 2 primaries, i thought i heard that

[terse token]

yall complain too much

lol

[mild rock]

Is there a guy trying to close the distance? Carbine or high RPM assault rifle.

[hidden vector]

But not their gadgets. I might know a guy has a sniper, but when I fly over to take them out, whoops stinger. too many annoying combos, some we haven't even thought of yet, not until actually seeing them in action

[mild rock]

Is there an asshole in the distance? Assume sniper.

[fresh cliff]

Until you get up close and he pulls out a shotgun because he’s playing assault

[mild rock]

I like to think I made that clear that that assault sling perk is problematic.

[fresh cliff]

I really do hope it gets fully removed

[mild rock]

I don't carew that in 2042 or bf4 people ran the serbu shotty.

[light quarry]

sike its an lmg with deployed bipod

[mild rock]

I would be a fan if it wre heavily limited. You can only use two weapons from the same class and they share the both ammo pool.

[hidden vector]

He's got stingers too

[mild rock]

I was thinking of that too I will admit but usually you'd know pretty quickly.

[fresh cliff]

The surbu shorty was trash compared to normal shotguns

[mild rock]

It's stupid good.

And by the way that one rando engie laying down with an LMG and Stinger probably doesn't have the brain power to be proactive in the moment.

[tough kernel]

i always feel like a fun game has proper rules in place to make it engaging. battlefield has been trying to remove (or loosen up) more and more rules to my frustration

[fresh cliff]

That would actually be really cool, yeah.

I do something similar in modded insurgency where I pick a high rpm ar as my main and a second heavy hitting ranged ar as my second primary

[mild rock]

I've played too much 2042 for my own liking and encountering these scenarios all the time hasn't really changed how things flow much.

[light quarry]

i used to 1v1 snipers with the m249(i think, shoots 7.62 right?) on semi, was so funny

[mild rock]

m249 is 5.56, M240 is 7.62.

[pastel mango]

Turn assault back into medic; it’s fucking worthless without it. It’s a dumb and selfish class, and it’s just plain boring; plus nobody fucking cares about the adrenaline shot. It’s so dumb and annoying to use separate Medic and Support. It’s a battlefield game, not COD teamwork. It’s necessary and makes the game more fun, not running around with two rifles and two grenade launchers and that dumb shit.

[wispy carbon]

Great argument

[strange pebble]

That’s all this chat is! One big complaint and no one knows what they are even complaining about because they haven’t played the game lol

[vagrant pebble]

I'm a fan of stims tbh and I like the idea of assault being kill farmer class

[tough kernel]

allegedly

[light quarry]

some might have to be fair

[vagrant pebble]

BF3/4 lacked medics because people were using assault underbarrel shotguns or assault underbarrel launchers anyways

Assault was always a selfish class until like BF1-V

[strange pebble]

99% lol

[vagrant pebble]

Which turned them to anti tank

[stark crown]

BF3/4 had Assault Rifles on the Medic class and people could also use shotguns/DMRs on that class which made it super broken because they were the only ones able to revive and heal and also have access to the best weapons in the game

[vagrant pebble]

They weren't doing their job too, you could opt out of defibs and healing boxes

They were using assault to have noobtubes and masterkey

[stark crown]

wdym, like some probably didn't but the class was broken because it could

[pastel mango]

Yeah, it’s like if they don’t want to lock guns for certain classes, whatever. I can deal with that, but at least I have the classes fucking mean something. The assault classes are pointless and so damn boring. I haven’t used it like more than 5 times, and I’ve played for like 6-7 hours plus the revive while pulling is so damn fun that it’s annoying that it’s forced to be stuck with support it makes both medic and support feel so empty.

[vagrant pebble]

I recently played BF3 and no one had defibs, half the people were using assault

Everyone used a launcher and a healing box for self heals

[stark crown]

BF1 medics were fine because the weapons were OK and the Assault class had the better weapons

BF3/4 was like everything in one class

[wispy carbon]

I think that's their intention. Make the classes mean something beyond the weapons they use. Whether that will work or not is yet to be seen :S

[vagrant pebble]

It won't work

2042 was already a testbed for that

People wants classes with rigid locked weapons

[tough kernel]

please separate ammo and medic boxes dice and dont allow a single class to use both simultaneously

[vagrant pebble]

I'm a fan of that decision too tbh

Especially since you can take heals or ammo from players

[wispy carbon]

That is a very watered down version of what they are attempting to do, but yes they should just give the community what they want

[tough kernel]

combined heals/ammo on support makes the class so brain dead to me

[pastel mango]

Can I ask why you like them? I feel like they are practically worthless.

[fresh cliff]

Was that you that deleted it?

[vagrant pebble]

Assault should have a way of self healing, otherwise medic becomes a better assault

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah

[wispy carbon]

Allows for more aggressive solo plays which alot of people enjoy

[vagrant pebble]

I don't want to be muted

Or banned

[fresh cliff]

Fair lol

[mild rock]

Stims are really good for kickstarting regen on your own.

[stark crown]

I don't like stims personally, I just don't care for the super soldier aspect of the game, I'd rather maybe have more team play type of thing, even if it doesn't always work. just feels more battlefield

[light quarry]

they could merge assult and engi, get rid of the self stim(this is your demolition expert now), seperate suport and medic so medic can have defib as class gadget and switch ars over to medic

[mild rock]

Stims don't concern me personally.

[stark crown]

When did the Fallout Stimpak make its way to every shooter now

[mild rock]

It gives assault some sort of life line but you're still dependant on medic due to very limited demand.

[stark crown]

like what even is that thing bru

[tough kernel]

concentrated red bull

[light quarry]

coke and morphene

[mild rock]

I don't want to know what's inside it.

[vagrant pebble]

Resident Evil green herbs

[mild rock]

It would obviously contain some kind of pain killer like morphine.

[stark crown]

Skyrim liquid Parmesan cheese

[mild rock]

Morphine and adrenaline to get the soldier more alert.

And back up

[pastel mango]

Well, I think the assault class should be a medic class. It has little to no meaning otherwise unless you want to be selfish and not play Battlefield as a team, which is literally what Battlefield is a large-scale team game.

[mild rock]

Obviously you recover from bullet wounds so it doesn't have to be entirely realistic.

[stark crown]

I mean yeah, you're perfectly fine after, it doesn't act as a pain killer

[tough kernel]

i miss bad company 2 layout

[stark crown]

it's a miracle juice

[mild rock]

jesus juice

[stark crown]

hold up

[tough kernel]

even if it was weird af with lmgs on medic

[light quarry]

jamba juice

[vagrant pebble]

Assault players were already selfish with BF3/4, that's why assault shouldn't be medic

[tough kernel]

bad company 2 had ammo boxes on assault

[vagrant pebble]

They won't use defibs or healing packs if you give assault medic role

[pastel mango]

That’s what I’m saying. I feel like it makes the class so watered down and makes it feel kinda meaningless.

[light quarry]

i think assult can me medic but the defibs should always be there to use

[stark crown]

Just give medics fuckin slightly worst ARs, lock them into Carabines and give the true assault class the big boy rifles

and don't give assault meds

[vagrant pebble]

If you don't give assault meds then you won't see anyone playing assault

People will play medic

[stark crown]

They're gonna have the best weapons in the game

[vagrant pebble]

Who cares?

[mild rock]

I dont mind assault as the killing class but it is pretty bland.

[stark crown]

I care

[vagrant pebble]

Self heals are more important

[stark crown]

You just play with your friend that gives you heals

idk

[tough kernel]

it made support on 2042 feel so broken to me cuz infinite sustain. at least in 4 i ran out of ammo on assault

[stark crown]

literally its better for you

[vagrant pebble]

I play solo mostly

So I would rather use medic

[stark crown]

yeah but it's battlefield

ur a squad

you can even spawn on them

[vagrant pebble]

Teamplay doesn't matter in BF unless you are playing with a friend on discord

[tough kernel]

2042 is where i stopped playing “medic” cuz it felt so cheese. and i always used to play medic

[stark crown]

I still need my ammo and my peeps to destroy vehicule, it def does matter

what are you gonna do against a tank as a medic

[vagrant pebble]

You can't trust randoms to teamplay

[fresh cliff]

I don’t really understand this. Some people don’t use it, so you want them to not even have the option to use it by moving it to a completely different class?

Shouldn’t you want more people to use the class with revive even if they aren’t using it all the time

[stark crown]

You can't trust them but it's still better

[vagrant pebble]

I played BF3 recently though, they don't revive anyone

Only point farmers does that

[stark crown]

We busted our arses back then reviving people in bf3 and bc2 and all that

[fresh cliff]

I doubt anybody left on bf3 is a casual medic. Casuals revive because why not

Kpm farmers don’t revive because it doesn’t help their kpm

[vagrant pebble]

Most revives I get in any recent BF is in BF1 or BFV, games with most rigid class systems

[stark crown]

I just don't think it's fair to give the class that has access to the best weapons in the game, also heals and revives. It's makes every other class at a clear disadvantage

[tough kernel]

same experience here

[pastel mango]

Meaning support is going to be selfish as well so we will have two selfish classes very fun

[vagrant pebble]

Rigid class system encourages teamplay because people are aware of their class, I see many clueless AR Boris/Casper players in 2042

With a rigid class system they are aware of their role and limitations

[tough kernel]

i feel like a lot of boris players are just straight up bots cuz they literally crouch there in the middle of no cover

[stark crown]

But it makes other classes so much worst than Assault, there's no balance

I get that they should be the one winning more often in a fight I guess in the sense that they are assault, but that's a bit too much

[vagrant pebble]

Not really

You can pick up heals and ammo from them

[tough kernel]

but yes that’s what i mentioned before where i said i think games with solid rules are inherently more engaging

[vagrant pebble]

Definitely agree

[tough kernel]

dice has been trying to loosen the rules each game entry

[stark crown]

The Heals and Ammo that are in the middle of the of the street without cover because they put it down there for themselves

[tough kernel]

it’s better than nothing lmao

[stark crown]

Nothing was never an option >.> there will be heals in the game

but yeah I agree that classes should be more restricted though

[pastel mango]

Then why not just have medic? assault be a boring ass class It’s a waste of space.

[pastel mango]

But it’s battlefield like: go play COD or Delta Force or just play fast-paced as a medic

[pastel mango]

Then why not get rid of it?

[stark crown]

Maybe just make it so Medics does everything like before, (give them assault rifles, revives and heals) but they can only heal themselves with stims like everyone else, or other medic's medic bags not their own

[tough kernel]

i don’t think anyone here can answer that. you’d need to ask support

[stark crown]

so they can't just infinite heal while advancing by themselves

[pastel mango]

You could do that no matter what. Even selfish players would throw it down, but they just wouldn’t revive.

[pastel mango]

Yes, so why can’t we have that in this game? And if it’s so great in that game, why does assault exist?

[stark crown]

Assault is just demolition experts in these games, no heals and automatic weaponry

[vagrant pebble]

Designated kill farmer class

That's what assault was since BF3

Unless you gimp engineers I don't see how assault can contribute to teamplay

Or make assault ammo box class like BC2

Medic assaults will be selfish though

[pastel mango]

Yes assault sucks it’s pointless medic engineer, support, and recon. That system is the best and for some reason they’re trying to
ruin it once again. Like it sounds like I’m shitting on the game, but I’m not. There is a lot I like. I like the atmosphere, gunplay, and map so much more than Battlefield 2042, but I don’t get why they’re being so stubborn about assault being in the game when the old class system worked perfectly. It’s like they want people with short attention spans not to get bored, so they need a stupid run-and-gun arcade class.

[pastel mango]

It’s just dumb. The old class system worked so much better than 2042 and this one, but they are being stubborn about keeping assault for no reason.

[modest cradle]

If you run out of ammo you're kinda just bad at the game lol. Even good players usually die before they run out of ammo. Plus you can always just pick up someone else's gun off the floor.

Having infinite ammo is the most useless perk ever. Infinite heals on the other hand...

[sick brook]

having ammo crate is beneficial when rolling with smoke nades as medic

[modest cradle]

True

[sick brook]

I go through a lot of smoke nades in a game throwing down cover when reviving

[modest cradle]

Why I always play as Falk in 2042 lol

[sick brook]

same

dartgun, smoke, ammo crate

either smg or ar

[modest cradle]

its kinda the same degeneracy as assault in bf4 minus the smoke

[sick brook]

smg for close quarter maps, AR for open maps

[tough kernel]

that's not what im arguing. i am just putting that silver lining there. "at least you'd run out of ammo" which is one restriction you'd be putting on them. id live long enough to run out of ammo. just pick up a support kit and drop ammo switch back. but that's at least some more steps you have to take than whatever it is rn

[modest cradle]

Yeah no you're right mb. Ammo shouldn't be such a non issue.

[elder schooner]

Thanks

[tough kernel]

i usually play liz on 2042 cuz falck cheese makes me feel so guilty lmao

i feel indestructible on falck

granted when im in a bad mood i play falck

[sick brook]

Maybe try doing the survy again and only selecting PC as what you game on?

[elder schooner]

Yes I just did that thanks!

[sick brook]

👍

[pastel mango]

Fuck assault bring back medic

[sick brook]

Amen! Medics FTW!

The backbone of any winning team

[gaunt dagger]

I dunno infinite C4s or claymores or gadgets seems really fun to me

[cedar bluff]

I would go back to how it was in Battlefield 3 and 4 — each class with its own specific weapon type — so there's more variety. Otherwise, it ends up like 2042 where everyone just uses assault rifles and those 2 or 3 meta weapons

[rustic seal]

Remove self heal and give it medkit and defib. Just like BF3.

Good pont

Ironically Arc Raiders is made partially by old DICE devs

[daring totem]

Bring Assault medics back with the old sound effect!

[pastel mango]

Dude I just want a bf3 or bf4 feel

[rustic seal]

No each class had there own restricts weapon type. Assault has ARs, engineer PDWs etc.. and each class had acces to universal weapon

[hidden vector]

I think you need to either go all in on class locking guns like BF1, or not at all. BF4 had certain guns locked to each class, but they also had universal guns. I don't like this middle-ground.

[daring totem]

The Carbines and Shotguns were amazing for universals, same for Markmans.

[hidden vector]

But I do prefer guns locked to classes, as it maximizes the uniqueness of each class.

[daring totem]

I feel like the switch that Assault should get SMGs and Engies should get ARs to add some flavour.

if that would be the case.

[rustic seal]

Yeah I was just clarifying

[loud venture]

👍

[rustic seal]

No I think they should enforce teamplay by increasing class complémentarity. And that could be done by removing auto heal, and give medkit back to assault.

[pure zinc]

That doesnt make any sense

[daring totem]

I agree, honestly, they should be the medics, what I'm saying is, is that the Assault should get PDWS as that's more suited to them being close quarters quick response if they are getting someone from the wreck and ruin.

[frigid haven]

they already solved this weapon dilemma with every other battlefield

just go back on the default

[rustic seal]

That’s if you lock weapons.

[daring totem]

Which I hope they do.

[rustic seal]

Yeah I liked it too, but I can understand too the frustration of not being able to chose a role without being able to select your favorite weapon

[hidden vector]

Assault - SMGs, PDWs, shotguns, medic abilities
Engineer - ARs, mid-range semi-autos
Recon - Snipers, DMRs
Support - LMGs, high caliber battle rifles, carbines

This is all assuming that they can balance the ARs so that they aren't good at everything like in past titles. SMGs should be better at close range, and carbines should be on par with ARs at close range, but ARs beat both at mid-range. It starts with making sure ARs don't have any close range buffs like in past games such as faster deploy speeds, faster ADS speeds, and more accurate hipfire. I'd even consider having ARs do slightly less damage in extreme close range, with their damage peaking at close to mid-range, then dropping off after mid-range. SMGs excel at close range, ARs at mid range, carbines are just ok at close and medium range.

[rustic seal]

I think that no matter which choice we make (lock or not) what’s most important is class balance and complementary

[rustic seal]

If you give assault medic ability you agree to remove autoheal ?

[hidden vector]

Yes, they would need to drop a med-bag

[rustic seal]

I’m don’t mind for a weapon lock but not hardlock, there should still always be universal weapons

I like to play recon sometimes if my squad doesn’t have but I don’t like playing sniper. So I like to take smgs with suppressors for example

Kind of specops recon hehe

[daring totem]

I'd say BF4's weapons lock system was the best.

no hard lock on carbines and all that.

[rotund agate]

carbines weren't significantly different from ARs, it was kind of a pointless distinction

you would need hard weapon locks to clean up class identity because the shit they're proposing is all extraneous and easily ignored

[rustic seal]

Yeah I got this feeling too

[rotund agate]

roles are less defined than ever now that everyone gets 3 gadgets all the time

[rustic seal]

Like there's no point in having 5 weapons types if 1 is the meta and you can use it in any class

Unless they manage to balance it well

[rotund agate]

it's just going to create 4 top weapons instead of 1-2 top weapons but it's better than nothing

the class tree may as well be nothing

it's all passively gained

adding buffs to "correct" weapon choices is a half assed solution that does nothing, we figured this out almost immediately in 2042

[rustic seal]

I asked ChatGPT about what is important about class in Battlefield and i like what it says about objectives: "Good class design makes players want to play the objective, because it’s how they shine."

[rotund agate]

garbage answer to a garbage question

[rustic seal]

I agree with it as its the way I think BF games should be played, but that's me..

Not really. I had thought about it

How to make class/roles more relevant and how they are useful and complementary on the Battlefield to fullfill the game objective

[rotund agate]

not enough, because you felt the need to outsource it to cleverbot

[rustic seal]

BF has always been about PTFO. That's what makes it fun. When you're playing a close game and struggling to get a few more flags to drop opponents tickets. That's the best moments.

Very intense games. I could just quote Metro lol. People were just struggling for the objective non stop, thus adapting their weapons and class to fulfill it

[rotund agate]

defined roles create goals and something to be satisfied with when you complete the goals, defined roles have been lacking since like bc2 but it wasn't as bad as it is now where everyone can have everything at all times

[rustic seal]

Yeah i agree, and you can feel it on the battlefield. It's more chaotic in the bad way.

[rustic seal]

I'm just curious. But it's not clever anyway lol.

[rotund agate]

i think "chaotic" is the wrong word for this because it implies some kind of excitement

it's just sludge

indiscernible grey sludge gameplay

[rustic seal]

Yeah that's why i said "in a bad way". Because BF being chaotic is part of what makes it unique

"ordered chaos" xD

[daring totem]

Mind you, it is an alpha, so things could be subject to change, but I do hope they stick to locked weps and Labs was a stress test. But if Dice stick to this open weapon thing, it'll land them in a bit of trouble with long time fans.

[rustic seal]

I'm one of those 2002 BF vets, yet I'm not against any changes if they find a way to preserve strong class identity, roles, complementarity and balance. Make changes only if it's to make things better.

[candid thistle]

This

[modern prism]

Nah 🙂 please play hell let loose ( you obviously didn't played it yet) and you'll see; that is just totally wrong

People don't care about roles, most of them just want to dive in and have fun

There is the officer role for example. He is the only one who can build spawn points, it's necessary that people communicate there so the team can plan the next step and how to use the ressources.
Do you think that works without a clan?
No, bc most people don't care 🙂

[rustic seal]

I do play milsim aswell. Post Scriptum, HLL, Squad, Arma ..

[modern prism]

And i played both, casual and with a clan so i can tell you that won't work for sure

Then you should know what i'm talking about

[rustic seal]

I've always cared about roles. I've always played BF not asking to myself "which weapon i wanna play" but rather "which class is more appropriate now" or "which class i'd like to play"

maybe that's just me then but thats the way I play BF since 2002

[modern prism]

It is still like that imo, how you want to kill a tank? As assault? Or sniper? Good luck

[rustic seal]

I agree though that I mostly either played as Medic or Anti-tank roles only

[modern prism]

Or even better: shoot down a helicopter xD

[outer osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xREaYPcGvDo&ab_channel=Eclipse

[rustic seal]

Yes you're right. I'm just saying they need to preserve that. But having an Assault class being able to heal themselves almost make medic useless and might enforce lonewolf instead of encouraging teamplay and role complementarity

[outer osprey]

This is some good analysis I guess

Would be nice if someone also did it in BF4/1/V too

[modern prism]

Which advantage should an assault have then? I mean, its just faster healing which he can only use max 2 times afaik

Or am i wrong?

And its necessary as assault tbh

[outer osprey]

Anyway, from what we have seen in the internet like reddit or YouTube whatever

[modern prism]

And no mediks arent useless at all. They heal full hp with their defri afaik?

[outer osprey]

I think the test have more problem in terms of class themselves but not the weapons

Which the analysis from Eclipse also agreed

[rustic seal]

I suggest Assault should have more like a medic role, so give them medkit + defib but remove self heal siringe. Then give support class the ability to revive all team members without defib

More like BF3/4

[outer osprey]

It is funny how a SMG/Carbine is probably more meta than some Assault Rifles back in older battlefields too, and it's also probably the same in 2042

[rustic seal]

and this would make classes more complementary and more required

[outer osprey]

I think the core issue is the lack of seperation between medic vs ammo supply

[rustic seal]

yes bring back the old assault/support classes

[modern prism]

Hm yea i remember there was something like that

[outer osprey]

I remember people also saying the "two tubes for Engineer" and "two M320 for Assault" problem there, which I tend to agree it's more of a pressing issue

[rustic seal]

support class in previous BF though used to be less used, so thats why i suggest still giving them ability like revive all teammates, just without defib

[dusk ether]

Assault as medic is just so fun

[outer osprey]

Primary weapons are probably not at top of our concern at this moment

[dusk ether]

And it’s just the current assault setup but with a medkit you throw instead of use on yourself

Wouldn’t be hard to shift towards

[rustic seal]

Why is that? I think in BF3 and 4 it was fun

[dusk ether]

Because you are aggressive as hell. Peek, engage, heal, peek on repeat

[rustic seal]

Changes a lot since medkit is static while you can run with the siring while healing

[dusk ether]

Next to no downtime because of that self heal

[rustic seal]

but they're barely no cooldown in supply crates rn, i think it should be longer

[dusk ether]

With the pouch you’d be able to achieve the same thing but just have to look down for a negligible amount of time

[rustic seal]

my point is to make the medic more of an important role just like previous BF. Avoid self healing, but instead, heal both yourself and others

[outer osprey]

It's, uh, you just self heal and others at the same time lol

[rustic seal]

I don't like the idea of a class being auto sufficient like the assault

[outer osprey]

In BF3/4 assault just throw med crates everywhere

[rustic seal]

Yeah but like I said medkit you can't run with the medkit in your hands

[rustic seal]

was that an issue ?

[dusk ether]

If it’s separate from medic, yeah. But I’d argue the assault can be one of the ‘necessary evils’. Its role isn’t to help the team by directly providing supplies to others, it’s helping the team by holding a frontline and pushing in - something the other classes may struggle with due to weapon type (before universal weapons) and gadget loadout

[outer osprey]

They just establish a perimeter, a position, whatever, filled with med crates and push

[dusk ether]

Yeah it’s a little selfish, but assaults still help the team

[outer osprey]

But now? I doubt it's even auto sufficient at all

Assault is just... it became an anti everything class for some reason

[rustic seal]

yeah but since there are not more weapon lock, it makes Assault more useless now

[dusk ether]

But if they went for a hybrid where assaults had say, medic pouches by default.

You throw them on the floor to heal yourself, for you they disappear but for others they remain, so someone else can grab it too. Best of both worlds

[rustic seal]

assault are more useless yet easier to play because of that auto heal. So idk. I just think healing should be given to 1 class only

[outer osprey]

I kinda wish more people can have some good direct convo with the devs about the state of balance atm, they have the stats and knows whats going on

Especially those who got to the pre alpha, I hope they get the opportunity

[rustic seal]

or a all-nothing class xd

means it has not clear identity

[dusk ether]

We can guarantee that those in the actual discord will be discussing these things

But I’m still on the fence about the whole thing. Got my own class setup I’d like to see of course but there are pros and cons to what we have currently

[outer osprey]

Many of them (or even us) are bound by the NDA. That means a lot of us can't state explicitly what we feel and got from the tests

Only thing we are able to use is whatever reddit/YouTube got as a source

[rustic seal]

well clearly we should have updates about class system soon or later. They had to create this channel because the community update thread reached maximum messages. They can't ignore the fact it is definitely subject to debate and a topic to address/test

[outer osprey]

There's a few things to note though

If they made it a public survey or vote, I think a lot of people are just gonna vote for locking

[rustic seal]

Overall, if we make a step back, I think its not just about weapons, but whole class/role identity

[outer osprey]

Because many casuals cbf to vote

[dusk ether]

Can’t believe we finally have a good discussion in this channel and now I have to go to work :(

[outer osprey]

I am going to look at the Chinese forums to see their wind

[rustic seal]

Well I gave chatgpt this channel's history and it said community preference is to lock weapons. But as usual, people talk more when they're unhappy than when they are

So I don't think a survey is enough. We need to use the playtest to try things out.

[outer osprey]

Playtest is here for data collection I think?

Devs love to analyze player data

And make their conclusions

[rustic seal]

Its for anything they want to focus test on

[outer osprey]

That too, but also data. It's part of an important thing in the industry

[rustic seal]

Yes they analyze data, but they also gave surveys, ask questions at the end of the playtest on specific topics

[charred crown]

Is there any way to report or suggest something for the next battlefield?

[rustic seal]

So we might have a test about class system if they'd like to

[outer osprey]

But surveys are also fairly subject to subjective data without people writing paragraphs

[white temple]

They will collect data for everything probably like kd ratio between classes etc

[outer osprey]

Also data for class distribution between the 4 classes, and classes to weapons ratio etc

[white temple]

Yh

[outer osprey]

I mean when people test that's should be what people intended to

Play it like a usual Battlefield, devs gather info, and make adjustments

[white temple]

Is this the first time battlefield have done playtests

[rustic seal]

Yeah I'd like to have an open question form..

[white temple]

On a wide scale

[slate sentinel]

afff, came too late to test the alpha 😦

[outer osprey]

Let's hope people in this test gave them some valuable insights

[white temple]

Hopefully they got more veterans who can see that 2042 was a steaming pile of dogshit

[rustic seal]

I hope they won't take my KD ratio as I played the playtest on PS5 xD while I'm pc player

would be irelevant

[white temple]

And not people who played it coming from cod

[white temple]

Would be every playtester on each class averaged

Just to balance out the classes id assume

[rustic seal]

afaik yes

[white temple]

Probably what they do

[rustic seal]

Battlefield labs is something new

[white temple]

Good atleast they will be listening to fans this time it might not be a bad launch for once lmao

[rustic seal]

Well tbh, I respect their ambition about 2042. Like, it's good to try things and devs should be free to try things they think it is good. Remember Expedition 33. The studio made the game they wanted, not what the players wanted.
Could have happened the same with BF2042, trying 128 players scale, why not, operators, why not.. But we saw it didn't fit BF core dna. Then they listened and re-added classes and 32vs32

At least they are not like Activisation releasing the same game since decades

[white temple]

Havent played bf 2042 in a while but it was missing the good immersion and destruction

[rustic seal]

Yeah that's def true

[white temple]

True the campaigns are the only good parts imo

[rustic seal]

Was to clean and smooth

[white temple]

Fr like where was the parts where you could explode a building and it collapses killing like 3 people

Battlefield 1 was peak immersion by far imo

[rustic seal]

Yeah I'm happy they're bringing destruction back in BF6. However I would have liked it to be more accurate like in The Finals

This is still alpha so it can improve but it seems to still be scripted

[charred crown]

According to the leaks the game will have an unpopular class system, the news seems to be gaining more traction in the community and is spreading like wildfire. I don't understand why enable all weapons for all classes, they already did that and nobody liked it. Besides the fact that classes seem to be locked by gender. Is it so hard to let players decide what gender they can play instead of forcing them?

[rustic seal]

I'm assuming there will be character customization in the final game though.

[white temple]

People need to realise that nothing is fully decided yet they are in testing and leaks are against dna because of the fact that its testing they havent decided on a lot of thing yet so theres no need for hate at all as of yet

[white temple]

Im assuming that too nobody liked operators

[rustic seal]

Exactly, that's the whole point of the BF labs

[charred crown]

That only indicates that the class system does not exist, it is still a hero shooter.

[white temple]

Blud there quite literally is a class system

[rustic seal]

Boundary between class and heroes is very blurry imo

[white temple]

True i dont like heroes at all but they are still classes in a way

[charred crown]

It was literally confirmed that it does not exist, when all classes have access to all weapons.

[white temple]

Did you not read? There is still class gadgets and specialised bonuses for using the class weapon type as that class

Theres clearly classes

[rustic seal]

So what's the difference between a class and a hero ?

[dusk ether]

Not much really

[rustic seal]

Or are they just 2 distinct things

[dusk ether]

Class is just slightly less specialised

[rustic seal]

a class is incarnated by a hero

[dusk ether]

So if anything weapon restrictions make it more hero like

[white temple]

A hero is like in bf 2042 where u have a person but classes think battlefield V

I personally prefer being able to make ur own character

[charred crown]

It just doesn't make sense, I mean a support class chooses a sniper rifle, it has unlimited ammunition. That contradicts the logic of the class system.

[white temple]

Yes but if you were a recon you can hold your breath for longer with a sniper and i assume it will go as saying with supports and lmg its probably less recoil with the gun

[charred crown]

But what you just said does not exist in the game lol

[rustic seal]

Yeah I like BFV character customization. Good balance between realism and freedom

[white temple]

Im talking about battlefield labs what are you on about?

[rustic seal]

This is just too much of a detail though, not relevant enough in practise unfortunatly

[white temple]

Yeah obviously its not normal to constantly wear a cracked gas mask or flight suit as a support but its creative and its makes you feel good knowing you made it

[charred crown]

Exactly

[white temple]

Idk it depends really but still obviously its only in working

[outer osprey]

I think the most outrageous one was the Phantom of the Opera guy.

[white temple]

We do not know what the actual game will be like

[outer osprey]

And that, people are just attracted to helmet-less woman so everyone was running that French/Japanese woman

[charred crown]

It never changes, it's almost like a demo.

[white temple]

Fr or that one woman with a metal arm in the launch trailer i think?

[white temple]

You never know its a new thing so how can you compare this to other playtests?

I just finished bf3 campaign

Pretty good

Hope labs has an actual campaign and not some war story ahh shit

[charred crown]

Honestly I'm not a fan of that, especially with BF6 leaks, the gender of your soldier will depend on your class. I mean on a small map where everyone chooses assault, it will be a fight between women.

[white temple]

They were okay but nothing compared to a campaign like bf4 etc

[white temple]

Dont they have strategic conquest on a larger map?

Or is it just small maps because of playtest?

[rustic seal]

What if all classes can carry 2 weapons: 1 class restricted, and 1 universal (carabines, shotgun, sidearm) ?

[rotund agate]

they have small maps because most of the gameplay elements are lifted from mw19 and the later cod games

[white temple]

Thats already what every bf game has though

[rotund agate]

vince zampella has only one trick and it's copying the cod titles that he doesn't make anymore

[white temple]

Bruh

Why is he working at Dice then 😭

[low comet]

pls. lock guns for classes.

[rustic seal]

But you cannot carry both a sniper and a carabine if i remember ?

[white temple]

No like universal sidearm such as pistol

[rustic seal]

So I'm rather talking about 2 weapons slots at the same time

[white temple]

Ohh

[charred crown]

Excellent question and I don't have an answer, but from what I've seen it all depends more on the map.

[rustic seal]

So if recons still want to have a compromise, they could use carabine, but not ARs

so its closer to BF4 classes but with 2 slots

[charred crown]

Unfortunately, I agree with you.

[rustic seal]

I hope so..

[rustic seal]

I hope you're wrong

[charred crown]

Why not bring it back to BF3? in BF3 assault and snipers and all other classes shared the PDW set

[rotund agate]

^

[white temple]

I saw a video on reddit

[rustic seal]

yes could work too. It's just that PDW are less versatile than carabines

[charred crown]

the carbines are the ones used by the engineer class.

[rustic seal]

What makes BF unique if the diversity so hopefully there will still be both modes and map sizes in the final game.

[rustic seal]

Ah yes you're right

[white temple]

I totally agree so it would be stupid to remove it and i doubt they will

[rustic seal]

it is true and tbh engineers have way too much rockets too

[sacred wave]

atmosphere in this game looks awesome. i hope they dont ruin it with cosmetics. for microtransactions the can design some camos that are A REAL MILITARY UNIFORM. they can set them as a prize or like a bundle. just like bf3. camos were real. they went skins. they were CAMO

[rustic seal]

like you can have 5 or 6 rpg rocket if i remember

Tanks have no chance to survive

[sacred wave]

6

[white temple]

Yeah i mean think to bfV stuff like that but a little less will suffice

[white temple]

Thats the whole reason for support class rho

Tanks rely on support to survive you need a tank crew or youre finished

[rustic seal]

i know but this is ridiculous atm you need like 5 support if you want that tank alive xd

[white temple]

Thats crazy

[sacred wave]

the loading screen is such a relief. i love that audio chatter. it would be better that use a radio fillet that make the voice quality a little messy and bad. feels more WAR-like

[charred crown]

In essence the future problems of Bf6 so far are:

• Disfunctional class system, due to all classes having access to all weapons.
• Our character will have a specific gender for the class we choose (the assault class is for women).
• Relatively small maps, it is unknown if these can be expanded depending on the game mode.
• In addition to the factions seem to be out of what we usually see. That is to say, these seem to be fictitious.

[sacred wave]

all im saying is we dont need characters. we need soldiers.

[rustic seal]

I'm saying 5 as random number, but my point is to say vehicles are still too vulnerable imo. They used to be feared in Battlefield normally

[sacred wave]

they should let us decide the gender like bfv. bfv classes were epic

[white temple]

It is still in the works though and people will obviously state the obvious that its way too easy to destroy tanks and if not people at launch will say it

[white temple]

Fr

[sacred wave]

yep

[rotund agate]

none of these are problems in practice, except weapon selection which is a small part of a way bigger problem of classes not having fixed roles

[white temple]

They even had names and stuff it was peak character creation

[sacred wave]

bring back the qonquest large from bf4.

[white temple]

You do realise that the campaign is inspired from a movie so they probably carry that out into multiplayer i would assume its fictional

Doesnt matter much either so was bf4 and 2042

[charred crown]

I disagree with this statement, if that hadn't been a problem, BF2042 would have been a success.

[rotund agate]

what

[rustic seal]

BF2142 was actually really fun, Titan mode was so cool

[white temple]

Fr but i preferred BF4284

So much more adaptability

[sacred wave]

how can i get accepted in battlefield labs

[rustic seal]

Battlefield Citizen

[white temple]

Just hope ig

[rustic seal]

Luck

[charred crown]

Definitely, in fact it was.

[sacred wave]

dayum

[daring totem]

Battlefield '84 would be interesting.

Cold war gone hot.

[white temple]

Battlefield: spacewars

Lol

[sacred wave]

battlefield iran vs iraq

[rustic seal]

I hoped 2042 was a sign that they'd bring back a mode like Titan, but sadly nothing like that

[daring totem]

When are we getting a Battlefield 1991?

Take on Saddam Hussein!

[charred crown]

There is literally a game called that lol and I suggest you to look it up.

It looks promising

[rustic seal]

Battlefield Napoleon

Battlefield: Mamoth Assault

[charred crown]

BF4 seemed to want to try something like this with Naval Strike.

[daring totem]

Naval Strike was phenomenal.

[rustic seal]

Indeed

[white temple]

Thats a good idea tbf

Be a lot more worse guns and would probably only be a portal game but still a good idea

[daring totem]

Battlefield in a Diesel/Steampunk setting would be fascinating.

Add a little 2142 flair to BF1.

But with Steampunk, you have to find that perfection of it not being too cringe and over the top.

[white temple]

Just seen a gameplay clip of bf labs it actually looks so good

[craggy vigil]

Yarp the level design, particle effects, dust, smoke, debris, general carnage, detail of the Middle East level make it look amazing. Any bright colours would kill it. They could go with with the bf4 tiger stripe. If you remember they had blue, red, orange, yellow tiger strip for weapons and vehicles(it was subtle in tone, muted), they gave it for free on achievement back then but I would happily pay £7. If they try a COD at £15 I will just Rick the standard for the whole life cycle.Also look at insurgency sandstorm for subtle skins. I bought the lot, only one of those breaks the immersion for me. Again £7 each. It 15-30. Most insurgency skins are just camo variations like rolled sleeves, poncho, bandaged etc.

[charred crown]

I forgot to answer this, be honest with me how many players in the community are really invested in this universe created by the developers? and I doubt Bf6 will come with a single player campaign to reinforce that.

[white temple]

Quite a lot

Most people play the campaign and the multiplayer

Id live without a campaign but it would be nice with one

More people would also get the game if it came with a campaign too so think logically

[charred crown]

No one is invested in this parallel universe, fictional factions are not so attractive without something else to back it up.

[rustic seal]

Same with weapon name. I hope there will be real names

[white temple]

They arent fictional factions i doubt its just the story is fictional

Idk tho we will see when it releases

Hopefully this year too

[charred crown]

It is a thousand times better just to leave it as it always was, Russia on one side and the US on the other. Plus add other factions like BF2 where the Chinese and the EU, plus the only fictional faction that was inspired by the Arab league.

[charred crown]

According to the patent system, you can add the weapon design to your game but you have to pay to use the weapon's trademark/ commercial name.

[rustic seal]

True but I think they don't want to appear politically committed by using real factions. At least I think that's the reason they make more fictional ones

They don't trust players being able to distinguish video games and reality

[craggy vigil]

So they need to pay, BF4 had full names over a decade ago so there are no excuses

[charred crown]

I never saw the community being toxic about it, in fact it's more entertaining. In Bf3 you could even see the description of the weapon and it gave you details of its history, the same with the faction camouflages.

[rustic seal]

Savings

[craggy vigil]

That’s not a saving in a modern fps it’s s mistake

[rustic seal]

We'll see anyway

[charred crown]

I honestly don't know how DICE pull that off, it's a miracle in itself. However, remember that many of DICE's OG DEVS are no longer there.

[craggy vigil]

Old dice not being there shouldn’t impact gun names. Again it’s taking the immersion out of it for me when see crappy names. C5 was the ultimate cheese lol

[charred crown]

Different people different priorities, remember there are currently several COD developers at DICE, COD is not known for preserving weapon names in their games. I'm not surprised that DNA was passed on to BF.

[craggy vigil]

There is a fair bit of COD dna in BF6, you can feel it and see it in places, pretty surer the narrator is literally the guy they use over COD, prob Vince’s mate

[charred crown]

LOL that's what I thought too, not only in that but even in the movement of the soldier seems to be a copy and paste of COD

[craggy vigil]

Ummm not so much, I mean bf4 movement would be a bit wooden in today’s fps seen, feels a lot like bf5

[placid saffron]

Also the vehicles passenger UI. When i first saw this, i knew i saw that somewhere and it was in MW2019.

[craggy vigil]

Yeah but bf1 also has this still, there’s a limit to variety on this stuff lol.

[charred crown]

A lot of people complained about that, that's why I think that's the reason why in Bf6 they tried to replicate the Bf4 UI.

[craggy vigil]

And they have it looks right

[charred crown]

It's not like I'm complaining about that detail lol it's possibly the best thing I've seen from BF6. They even copied the background sound from the Bf3 menu.

[placid saffron]

That's true haha

[craggy vigil]

They did but the game/lobby intro music and announcer a bit cod for me

For me look and feel is nailed on.

[charred crown]

It's still acceptable compared to how they screwed up the class system, it's true that the game is still in development but there's no chance they'll reverse the fact that classes have access to all weapons within the game. So the classes will only define the gadgets.

Personally, this does not make sense

[daring totem]

Oh, forgot Assault had basically 10-12 grenade types.

[craggy vigil]

I’m not sure they have publicly said they may change it

[charred crown]

And I doubt they will, from what I understand the class system is just a mask to soften the fact that the hero system is still in place, but more limited. I guess it's to justify the sale of skins?

[craggy vigil]

Well there is already meta setups in pre alpha so that will be a mistake

[daring totem]

I'm getting so tired of Battlepasses.

You want this camo? F you, play every day until you get it!

[dusky dawn]

It's kinda difficult, Of course there's probably going to be skins and microtransactions and honestly that's still a bit upsetting if they move away from the current military style.

[charred crown]

You are right, I think the same. I'd rather pay 15 dollars for DLC or 50 for the PREMIUN. It didn't seem to be a problem in BF3, everything felt a bit more prestigious and the value of what was obtained justified it.

[rustic seal]

Yesterday I said they copied introduction animation from COD, then I was accused of seing COD everywhere 🤡

[dusky dawn]

But yea the worry about there still being this sorta hero system is a worry and not to mention this class loadout just needs more focus, I worry about progression. What's the point of even playing the game if everything is available and unlocked and nothing is earned, Not to mention there really needs to be more way to say if you're a medic or engineer in a team your job matters, do the job.

[craggy vigil]

It is easy to see COD because a modern fps is alway going to have some close comparisons.

[charred crown]

DICE is influenced by former COD developers, I doubt consistency matters when they can make money from skins.

[craggy vigil]

Yeah the class system and the amount of audinace one can carry needs a serous look at.

[obtuse crest]

Cod is just dead, the new cod should be named otherwise.
Battlefield have some time to go back to his root and fix the class system

[dusky dawn]

Sure but last thing I think many want is a neko-eared Nato soldier running around blasting nightcore, And this is coming from a early 2000's hardcore weeb, There's just limits.

[charred crown]

It's not like you're wrong, COD literally was one of the biggest titans in the industry so it's still a reference for many games. Even HALO lost its identity because of it.

[daring totem]

We don't need the goofy looking Assault being the brunt of EVERY game.

[rustic seal]

Still it’s funny to see they introduce those animations. Lots of useless development effort but hey at least cod players won’t feel lost I guess

[craggy vigil]

It’s so the kids that should be playing and have their parents credit card can ogle their skin purchase lol

[rustic seal]

lol

[charred crown]

You are absolutely right my friend, Bf4 is the best example of how camouflages have to be handle in the game. Nothing silly and attached to realism, but with enough variety to monetize and give away to players.

[obtuse crest]

If they make military accurate skin, her it goes my credit card

[charred crown]

I doubt it, after seeing BF 2049 lol

[daring totem]

Give me the BF4 and 3 support skins and my life is yours DICE! They are my favourite Support designs.

[obtuse crest]

I really hope they don't make circus skin.
Or at least give us a switch to make all default skin.
Really hate to see people from the same squad in 6 different color

[charred crown]

I honestly doubt that DICE wants to give us what we are asking for, since those who study marketing estimate that copying COD in all aspects will bring more money. Instead of respecting the community and solidifying it to have a base market and preserve the legacy of BF3 master piece.

[gentle wedge]

Welcome to business 101 I'm not sure how this is a surprise to you

[charred crown]

Unfortunately it never works, otherwise Bf2049 would have been an unprecedented success and BFV would not have been cut off its support prematurely.

legacy of failures

[cunning tundra]

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

[daring totem]

And yet, Dice haven't learned. This is their make or break.

[charred crown]

Indeed.

[rustic seal]

Id love to have a BF2, 3 and 4 remaster with latest game engine, all in the same game.
Same maps, classes etc

But I think my nostalgia is too strong

[obtuse crest]

If they fail the expectation this time, is over, no coming back like I've done woth cod.
And I really hope more people do the same, then they will learn.

[charred crown]

As far I understand, DICE reads these comments, but they only make changes if they see a reaction from the community. I mean it's time to make a lot of noise guys.

[obtuse crest]

I'm doing something on tik tok, but im really small so no much interaction, but I see alot of people complaining about class and weapon

[charred crown]

Literally in the last 6 days, since the information about the class system was released, many people have already reacted. Even youtubers seem to have caught on to the idea that something is not right.

[rustic seal]

Based on ChatGPT, in this channel majority is in favor or weapon restricted class

I sent it the channel content

[charred crown]

Finally, some good news lol

[stone tundra]

chatgpt 😭

[rustic seal]

Believe or not it’s actually one of the usage of it. It’s pretty good at doing such tasks

[coral portal]

.

[mild rock]

Chatgpt lol

[rustic seal]

It's good to analyze mass data yes. And there's tons of them on this channel 🙂

It's like "tldr, what's the community saying?" helper

You should try, it's interesting

[vagrant pebble]

https://x.com/GhostGamingG/status/1925231447817728127

You don't need chatgpt to see it

I don't think community understands what they want though, BF4 system would be just as open as current BF6 system

I think what people needs to push for is BF1, V system restricted classes

[obtuse crest]

Bf4 system is a closed system with primary weapon locked to class and carabine dmr and shotgun open for everyone.
It force using the class as is supposed to be played

[vagrant pebble]

No, you will still see medics with DMRs two tapping people across the map and recons with carbines spotting people whenever they aim

BF4 system is terrible

This game also has gunsmithing anyways so you will probably be able to create fast handling LMGs with short reload times. So it's better to lock weapons to classes with no universals.

[daring totem]

I am an animal for the M60.

That was my go to for BF4, BF3 and a few others.

[wispy hill]

Support in 2042 seems to be kinda everything, medical crate, unlimited ammo, defib, only RPG and c5 is missing..😆

[daring totem]

I wish we had a battlelog for phone again.

I'd love to be in the top ten.

[zenith tendon]

How did you extract all the channel content ?

[mighty zealot]

You don’t

NDA

the alpha was just a stress test

[zenith tendon]

Typical

[mighty zealot]

They have other players for feedback

[zenith tendon]

Typical

Gen alpha

Playtesters yeah

[mighty zealot]

Going by your replies I’m assuming your feedback probably wouldn’t be helpful anyways

So it’s fine really

[zenith tendon]

👍

[daring totem]

Who the hell are the other players?

[mighty zealot]

People who got into the alpha play test, this play test was a bit more open to test the servers

You can, might get deleted tho

There’s while section of why shouldn’t do that but you know

Sometimes you gotta let the kid touch the stove

[daring totem]

Ah right. But still, they should listen to the stress testers as well.

After all, multiple eyes is better than some.

[mighty zealot]

Apparently it’s an old build, which means giving feedback would be useless

[zenith tendon]

I gave my feedback lol

[daring totem]

Thanks for the info chief. The only problem I really had was the weapons and movement but they might've rectified it.

[mighty zealot]

Hey look at that, was deleted

Womp womp

[dusk ether]

Does seem strange to completely stop feedback for these testers. Like, surely it can’t do any harm?

[tough kernel]

had saved it so i could read it

there are things i agree and disagree with

[mighty zealot]

Well it was a old build, so a lot of the complaints would’ve already been known

[mossy lichen]

They should divide weapons by character class as it used to be. BF4 was it! Each class had its own clearly assigned weapons!

[mighty zealot]

It also had opened weapons which didn’t hurt

And it it works fine on 2042

[tough kernel]

they could at minimum come up with a middle ground where certain weapon types are restricted

[mighty zealot]

What problem would weapons restriction solve?

[mossy lichen]

Let's face it, 2042 is a misfire. I spent hundreds of hours there but only out of sentiment for the series and Platoon. I didn't like many things there. But its only my opinion

[mighty zealot]

Also I gotta walk my dog so if I don’t answer I for the next 30, that’s why

[tough kernel]

hearing weapon type could make you able to guestimate which class is attacking you

[dusky dawn]

It's not just about restricting weapons, It's about progression. You play the game you should feel like you're earning something, ranking up the boards. Leveling up, And even certain classes had there own sorta ranking. Remember "ribbons?" Each class had there own ranking etc. It gave incentive to play the classes

not just unlocking a character or weapon in a battlepass.

[tough kernel]

also seeing a sniper class would make you able to estimate his performance at certain ranges

you know it’s a sniper? push

this is what weapon restrictions used to do

you could pick your engagements

[zenith tendon]

You're such a rat lol xD

[dusk ether]

That much is true I suppose

[tough kernel]

right now you hear an lmg firing all his 100 bullets as a meme and you cant even figure out which class it is

in bf2042 that is :)

i am not talking about labs, mods

[zenith tendon]

Bros defending the pre alpha at all costs, must be part of the all weapons unlocked gang

[tough kernel]

and also some toxic play style things like having ammo/health boxes on snipers so max range selfish sniping isnt as discouraged

[tough kernel]

he has a point tho, we dont know how much things have changed. if we were to give feedback there would possibly be lots of redundancy

but, it’s not really an excuse imo

feedback on old builds is still valid feedback. it would reinforce certain feedback or counter some feedback given prior

[daring totem]

Precisely.

They should've given a later build so we can find other flaws, as I said many eyes a better than few.

[tough kernel]

i was pretty mad when they said they didnt accept feedback, then when i saw there was a survey i became hopeful just to get shot down again cuz no open ending for custom input

[daring totem]

Perhaps ignorance is bliss on DICE's behalf.

But it might bite them if not cautious.

A few alpha playtesters does not say the same for the fanbase.

[tough kernel]

honestly im not surprised, cuz devblogs are always filled with buzzwords and ambiguous content it just looks like marketing to me instead of genuine care for the product

oh well we’ll see how things develop

[mild rock]

The devs care but they have to act in a way in public.

Personally they're quite out there.

I had one of the devs I talked to on the regular literally say out of the blue "I HAVE A PLAN"

In the most ADHD way possible (which I love)

I know it's really easy to get pessimistic over what we have been through.

[tough kernel]

true true, i need to avoid getting too negative about things

my bad

[mild rock]

Yeah I don't think there's blame to be had at all but I like to keep positive. I like what I've seen from the playtests, I'm big into learning the workings of gameplay elements so I like to see them come along.

It's really easy to become angry.

I think if you see my old BF5 comments I'd argue I was hostile and now I'm burned out.

I enjoyed that game but fuuuck

[hazy canyon]

Have faith Arthur

[mild rock]

I try to understand dev intentions in what they do.

[mild rock]

Off topic but have you been on Goliath at Six flags magic mountain

[tough kernel]

there’s a lot of good things i’ve seen during the play tests, so far i think we’re on the right track, but omitting feedback leaves this sense of concern of “what if i dont like the feedback the other testers gave”

[mild rock]

Devs deal with a lot of garbage feedback.

[zenith tendon]

@mild rock how have you got a legacy role? xD

[mild rock]

So they end up filtering a lot of stuff out and work on player data.

Uhhhh being a mod before the EA Take over.

[tacit ginkgo]

What is the diffrence in rules from the server stress test and the normal playtest?

[zenith tendon]

Ohh okay lol xD

[mild rock]

They're trying to break the game.

[hazy canyon]

Unfortunately have not, but I plan on getting around to six flags magic mountain sometime in the near future (next 2-3 years)

[mild rock]

Sounds cool! Yeah I grew up with RCT and goliath was the one that has me enamoured.

I want to go to Walibi holland but I gotta save a lot of money hah.

(I live in Australia)

[tough kernel]

the height of goliath sent shivers down my spine as a kid, so i was too afraid to enter. nowadays i enter anything at the cost of my heart lol

[hazy canyon]

You’ve got some good parks in the land down under

[hazy canyon]

235 feet is pretty tall but I’ve been on much taller coasters

[tough kernel]

i haven’t managed to try goliath yet tho, does it still stand? i remember some coasters have been replaced

[hazy canyon]

Yeah it’s still operating

[mild rock]

Steel coasters have a way longer life expectenacy versus woodens.

And some of thing are being converted into hybrids.

Steel vengeance being a big one.

[tough kernel]

there’s just something frightening in a good way about wooden coasters tho. the audio feedback you get

[hazy canyon]

Ehh, it depends on how a park maintains it

[mild rock]

I don't like how they wobble.

That scares me.

Absorbing the shock and shit but nuh uh

[hazy canyon]

😂

I’m hoping to get to cedar point later on in the summer

They are opening a tilt coaster called sirens curse

[mild rock]

I haven't had to the time to go to coaster park.

A proper one.

I've gone on the tower of doom but I wish I could pursue it more.

[hazy canyon]

Ah tower of terror II, I miss it

One of two reverse freefall coasters built yet both are unfortunately no longer operating

[mild rock]

It messed up my hair.

Vivid memory.

I remember the operator laughing pretty hard too.

[hazy canyon]

lol

[rich swallow]

There is one weapon balancing push that can solve most of the class-weapons problem and improve the game overall.

The weapon types need to have specific situational advantage. ARs should not be able to overwhelm DMRs and LMGs at long range. No way in oblivion should that be allowed. PDWs should have ultra fast TTKs at close range, second only to shotguns. Every weapon type needs to be equally relevant to the game. ARs should have higher spread at long range, but ARs should be the most generally balanced - jack of all trades, master of none. We do not want everyone using ARs all the time.

This is compulsory. You can discuss class-locking weapons after this, but this will already add some incentive to stick to signature weapons instead of mixing and matching.

But no dual primaries or launchers. No way. Under any circumstance.

[vagrant pebble]

Remove gunsmithing

[torn steppe]

gunsmithing is fine i like it but holy crap assault is annoying with the nades

[vagrant pebble]

Makes a one shot headshot DMR build and goes 72-1

[little crag]

game needs class locked guns, and assault should be BF3 assault/medic and not 2042 COD player with stims and plates.

[muted sandal]

No

[inner marten]

assault as a class always seemed kinda flawed to me, it seems like its tailored to the no brain rush forward playstyle and deal with anything infront of it. it also forces support to do double duty(either medic + ammo in 2042 or engineer + ammo in bf1).

i much prefer the way it was done back in bf4 -
Medic was most versatile, since he had AR's but also had to deal with healing and reviving his team, if you wanted to take some destructive tools like grenade launchers you could, but it would be at the cost of either healing or reviving.
Support had to take care of only ammo, and could take 1 destructive gadget alongside him.
Engineer had to deal with vehicles, both repairing friendly and destroying enemy
Scout was for spotting, assisting, and sniping
this way, every class has a reason to help their team and stick together

Assault has none of this, he can just go forward with no regard for anything and just kill and get killed again and again

[muted sandal]

FWIW I rarely stuck together as Recon in BF4

And yeah while Assault lacks teamplay utility it still fills a role

It's the frontline DPS, so to speak. They excel at pushing forward and breaking stalemates

Its biggest issue in Labs was that it had too much anti-vehicle utility IMO

[astral kelp]

If the assault isn’t tied to medic, doesn’t it just become an engineer 2.0?

[muted sandal]

It should be Assault 2.0 but instead it's also Engineer 0.5

They're the anti-infantry class, so therefore vehicles should completely hard-counter them IMO

[honest pagoda]

The game(Lab) needs Platoons as BF4 and older..when we play 6 and more people in on server we need see it. And than we need matchmaking as BF V and older BF.

[pale violet]

Mouse and keyboard on PS5 and Xbox series ? Thx

[astral kelp]

I hope they make assault medic. I don’t really like support having the option for meds+ammo. People just end up taking med kits and no ammo cuz they already have a large mag LMG or AR

[ancient heath]

I think the assault is supposed to assault

With assault weapons

[muted sandal]

Just so you know, the crate both heals and resupplies in BF6 and it can't be removed from the kit

[astral kelp]

ah, that’s good to know then. Still think it should be separate

[tough kernel]

yes combining heals and resupply in 2042 was such a big mistake

separate them please. one class shouldnt have access to both healing and resupplying

[muted sandal]

meh, in practice it's a non-issue

[solemn sphinx]

agreed

[tropic badge]

That’s because they changing things that don’t need to be changed , i never once moaned about BFV like some people were , over silly things too.

This is different.

I made a point yesterday why they are even bothering to make us discuss this.

To simply keep it how it was for BF4 , BF1 or V is all that needed to be done but a hard ask it seems.

Nothing has been learnt really then or care about what made thing solid. Locked weapons provides a solid structure for this particular type of game , how it’s mostly always been and been that way for a reason.

Persistent servers also provides this since you can carry on playing with the same people , carry on playing with a squad that worked well for you , but something there seems to insist on sabotaging it.

[pure zinc]

Battlefield players try not to complain about the smallest things challenge and bring up COD challenge impossible

[quaint dune]

xdd

[sacred wave]

i completely agree. most of skins in cod are bought buy kids. battlefield has a mature audience.

[tropic quartz]

I would like to see a test with locked weapons and the stim shot for assault removed

[tropic badge]

A test for locked weapons ? Go play BfV or BF1

Play a few games of that then go play 2042 , analyse what makes for better team work , squad play in 2042 is literally none existent.

[sacred wave]

class systems always change. not a bad thing

[zenith forge]

I absolutely hate having all guns unlocked for the classes

[tropic badge]

For real vista ? lol ok

[sacred wave]

i wouldnt mind it though

[tropic badge]

That’s because you have no idea of the world that stood before it , and that’s exactly what the current management is banking on

[zenith forge]

i really mind it. makes no sense why a assault class is using a sniper

[tropic badge]

How they’re even making us talk about it is crazy to me.

Just leave it be

[rotund agate]

the current idea is to strip all the class roles away and put them in the passive upgrade skill tree that you just ignore, which is a shit change

[zenith forge]

lol

literally just make it BF4 and we are all good

[sacred wave]

as i said classes changed overtime. but maybe theres a chance they remove it if the topic gets hot enough

[rotund agate]

people begging for weapon locks back is a symptom of the bigger problem of zero class identity between 3 gadgets and an ignorable skill tree

[zenith forge]

not really its still the same IMO. There is a reason why BF 2042 flopped (graphically, 20 classes and all weapons unlocked)

[tropic badge]

Yea exactly ^ that’s why it’s crazy to me we even having the discussion

[sacred wave]

i hated it because it wasnt even a battlefield. it was a hero shooter

[zenith forge]

yea

[tropic badge]

Aside from its cartoony nature

[zenith forge]

so make it like bf4 and we are good

and bring back epic Levelution

[thorn herald]

that makes too much sense

[thorn herald]

that wouldbe too easy

[zenith forge]

im hoping 🙏

[tropic badge]

Gotta be

[rotund agate]

we need to go stricter than bf4, really

[tropic badge]

Yeah fair enough , but

[thorn herald]

bf3 and bf4 are the sauce as far as most are concerned

[zenith forge]

optimize it so i can get 200 fps easily

[ancient heath]

Weird giving heals and revives to the frontlines is it not? But if it works thou lol

[lyric breach]

We want BF4 Classes and weapons locked to the classes like BF4 with the correct gadgets Support shouldn't be a medic / ammo that's annoying

[zenith forge]

I WANTED TO GIVE OUT HEALS BUT I CAN GIVE OUT AMMO

[lyric breach]

Give me ammo no no revive me

[rotund agate]

combined support is honestly the least offensive thing they've reworked

[zenith forge]

i still hate how a lot of medics passed by down people

[lyric breach]

Assault should be medic

[rotund agate]

it's weird but not stupid

[lyric breach]

Make Recon do medic then they wouldn't camp as much lol

[tropic badge]

BFV is the best for picking people up , you can always count on a medic over there. Some of the best squad play I’ve ever experienced there not gunna lie

[ancient heath]

I think u should still give heals and revives behind the frontlines

[zenith forge]

bf1 is the best for gameplay

[astral kelp]

Rather have more restrictions on classes than Bf4. Universal Carbines being just mini assault rifles were too good

[tropic badge]

Sure , I just love many things about V

[rotund agate]

i want to get rid of universal shotguns tbh

universal shotguns should be as offensive to you as universal snipers

[zenith forge]

also, NGL i would love to have voice chat like Hell Let Loose

[lyric breach]

Make the classes like BF4 end of story BF4 was perfect

[muted sandal]

BF players when a Support player's crate can both heal and resupply ammo 😭 🤬

[lyric breach]

Support player can drop just an ammo pouch or drop the all in one which seems redunant

[tropic badge]

Something other than what they want right now. Everyone is going to be beaming with hirate of fire smgs otherwise

Lame taste of 2042 all over again

[zenith forge]

voice chat like hell let loose or battlebit remastered would be amazing

[tropic badge]

Too fast gameplay though not sure it will work

Hell let loose can get away with it

[lyric breach]

What happened to the private discord server for BFLab actual testers? As Under NDA we can't discuss it here.. Thought they were listening to the community

[zenith forge]

There was a private discord?

[lyric breach]

Supposidly as when under NDA you can't discuss in these channels unless that's changed

[tropic badge]

They ain’t listening otherwise wouldn’t be making us have this discussion lol

[muted sandal]

This is for thinking we have the best ideas for a class system and belittling the ones who think differently.

[lyric breach]

It just removes you from launching it

It doesn't uninstall it

[astral kelp]

I have a feeling they won’t listen to 99% of the community feedback

[muted sandal]

The game will be better off for it

[sacred wave]

your feeling is correct.

[ancient heath]

Even though they’re all about it

[lyric breach]

I belive they will listen to "New BF Gamers" ones that have never actually played

Or that one guy that played for less then 4hrs

[sacred wave]

you know, what killed cod is killing battlefield

[ancient heath]

But they rly want it to be like bf3-4 they said

[lyric breach]

COD is dieing fast

[zenith forge]

the new COD sucks

[sacred wave]

but have you ever wondered why it will never fix

[lyric breach]

This BF has BF4 movement and speed definatly not fast paced like 2042 which I appreciate

[vagrant pebble]

This BF has MW22 movement

[thorn herald]

modern AAA gaming doing modern AAA gaming

[vagrant pebble]

MW22 gunplay

[zenith forge]

anyway DICE LISTEN, MAKE THE CLASSES LIKE BF4 AND GET EPIC LEVELUTION AND YOU WILL BE MAKING BANK

[muted sandal]

lol

[lyric breach]

The Destruction is already there

[thorn herald]

they will make bank anyway unfortunately because gamers never learn

[lyric breach]

Leveloution was only certain aspects

[ancient heath]

Rather just have solid destruction that’s more versatile

[pure zinc]

Like you know what will make the game successful

[zenith forge]

good gameplay

[thorn herald]

statistically proven tho

[zenith forge]

highly optimized game

[sacred wave]

dice wont listen because it doesnt need to. the fans always buy. so when their reac their goal of making a video gamw which is money, they see their game as asuccess

[lyric breach]

Good Class system like BF4 and a ping system like BF4

[thorn herald]

bf4 + Bf1 are widely regarded as the best bf games of ALL TIME

[lyric breach]

The ping system was very weird

[pure zinc]

The distruction right now>levelution

[rotund agate]

:)

[tropic badge]

Must be a saboteur in there , making changes not necessary. Good luck with that , as I say crazy even having to discuss something that should be left alone. Do they now enjoy taking the p out of what makes things work better and not listen to 99% of the planet , idk?

[rotund agate]

it's so over these guys don't even know

[pure zinc]

It has that for the most part

[pure zinc]

What?

[muted sandal]

least deranged BF fan

[little crag]

who asked you?

[pure zinc]

I didn't ask anything 💀

[vagrant pebble]

I replayed MW23 recently too, it's utterly unenjoyable for anyone who wants to use MNK, like at least BO6's recoil was centered on screen center instead of reticle

[lyric breach]

I've been playing Battlefield titles since 2002

[little crag]

imagine not being able to read either lol

[vagrant pebble]

But BO6 is unenjoyable due to OP RAA too, even more OP than MW23

[muted sandal]

Same, and I still want unlocked weapons for all

[pure zinc]

I did read

[sacred wave]

cod is a tiktok sim. they make a skin of whatever is trending on internet.

[pure zinc]

Passive aggressive much

[little crag]

no you didn't try again.

[muted sandal]

Can't wait to buy my Steve from MC skin in BF6

[pure zinc]

I did buddy

[lyric breach]

I don't want unlocked weapons I want BF4 classes

I don't like support guys using snipers

[pure zinc]

You literally brought up COD and complain about the tiniest things

This fanbase is so wierd

Stockholm syndrome

💀

[quaint dune]

its not the whole fanbase dw

[pure zinc]

They bring up COD more then battlefield

[muted sandal]

Neither do I but it's a small price to pay for the rest

[pure zinc]

I know

[lyric breach]

I play support class alot I like giving ammo not rushing into revive players also

[quaint dune]

cod just lives rent free in their heads

[vagrant pebble]

This game is more CoD than BF

[quaint dune]

disagree

[pure zinc]

Objectively speaking no its not

[lyric breach]

I disagree it's nothing like COD

[ancient heath]

It’s literally a counter intuitive playstyle

[sacred wave]

if the skins are there i wont buy. but i know others will buy. i dont know how they still have a dream of (good BF) in their heads

[lyric breach]

COD is very arcade style

[vagrant pebble]

Same gunplay, same movement, same gunsmithing

Even maps aren't designed for vehicles

[lyric breach]

Not like they put little birds or attack heli's on the map

[pure zinc]

Movement is the same as battlefield 4/5.

Cod didnt create gunsmithing

Gunplay isnt like cod and even so battlefield has always been arcady

You have no points

[lyric breach]

or the map would have been a wasteland of rubble

[pure zinc]

No they aren't

They are more for infantry

One of the flaws of 4

The maps were so vehicle focused sorta

More customization=bad apparently

💀

[quaint dune]

vehicles in 4 felt so overpowered ngl

[pure zinc]

Holy shit

[little crag]

and I asked you "who asked you" this channel is for feedback, that's my feed back, nobody asked your opinion ON MY FEEDBACK, and then you DIDN'T read and you say I have stockholm syndrome

[lyric breach]

I enjoyed the game to a point there is lots of things they need to fix and change to make it a good game

the tanks were hella weak

[muted sandal]

Remove thermal vision from vehicles and they've been 69% nerfed

[quaint dune]

while they were fun to play as, dealing with vehicles was almost impossible in bf4

[lyric breach]

Remove IR/FLIR from all BF titles would be nice

lol

[pure zinc]

Whatever ig

[vagrant pebble]

Objectively wrong about movement, they are copying gunsmithing because of CoD, gunplay is 1000% MW22 copy. Recoil is tied to reticle like CoD, lots of visual recoil too, they forgot to add OP RAA though which is why gunplay doesn't work.

[quaint dune]

yh didnt you know, its a new trend

[weary horizon]

Same, they should have have made the assault class as medic like in previous bf games, the assault class is pretty useless as of now, it’s just stims, which I despise with all my life

[muted sandal]

Amen.

[little crag]

I want Battlefield, NOT COD, this is why I mentioned COD, because 2042 was fucking COD

[vagrant pebble]

2042 is 1000% more BF than BF6

[lyric breach]

They gave Defibs but I didn't get to use them I only dragged team mates as sticking them with a epi pen looking thing

[quaint dune]

heres a thought, lets just remaster bf4

xdd

[lyric breach]

I've said Remaster Battlefield Bad Company 2

been a top on my wishlist

[pure zinc]

The movement speed is .5 milliseconds slower then battlefield 3/4 movement with sliding and crouch running.

How is the gunplay like cod exactly, you can't even tell me. Also theres plenty of games with visual recoil yet you bring up COD.

COD didnt create everything and you have severe cod ptsd schizophrenia

[pure zinc]

Now this is just fucking ragebaiting at this point

Im not taking you seriously anymore lol

[lyric breach]

Bet you if you they tried to remaster BF4 they'd say we lost the files lol

[pure zinc]

💀💀💀💀💀

[quaint dune]

this is crazy

[tired cipher]

Yeah all this guy does all day is sit in here and rage bait just ignore him, didn’t even get in either

[pure zinc]

Lmao

[lyric breach]

I think that SBMM guy is on glue

[pure zinc]

I can tell

[rotund agate]

oh you'll find out in 6 months

[vagrant pebble]

I literally told you why it's like CoD twice.

• Recoil tied to reticle, not screen center
• Visual recoil
• Slow ADS speeds, slower than any other BF, much more similar to CoD than any BF
  Just play MW19, MW19:2 or MW19:3, literally same gunplay

[quaint dune]

lmao

[pure zinc]

You dont know anything though?

[quaint dune]

bro thats just every fps

[vagrant pebble]

No

[pure zinc]

Im not replying to you when it comes to this subject, you are a troll

[meager lily]

lmao true

[lyric breach]

I'm talking to other people that actually like Battlefield and stop comparing it to COD as BF is nothing like COD

unless you got a potato GPU

[quaint dune]

you gonna tell me rust and dayz is like cod

cos the recoil

[muted sandal]

BFV recoil is also tied to reticle tho?

[lyric breach]

Dayz ah yes my running simulator

[quaint dune]

lmaoo

[rotund agate]

spoiler alert, bf5 gunplay was shit too

[vagrant pebble]

Which was a mistake, BFV at least has no visual recoil

[quaint dune]

bro bfv had decent gunplay, till they messed with the ttk

then it was cheeks

[vagrant pebble]

ADS speeds are also fast like literally every other BF

[muted sandal]

Meh, I enjoyed the gunplay in BFV a lot

[pure zinc]

Also you dont understand game development. You have 2042 ptsd and have a cynical negative way of thinking. The gameplay leaks are objectively amazing and majority like it.

[lyric breach]

I think I'm gonna jump into my BF4 server

[pure zinc]

If you love cod why dont you play it

[lyric breach]

this convo went sideways

[vagrant pebble]

I hate CoD, that's why I don't want BF6 to become MW25

[pure zinc]

It won't

[vagrant pebble]

LOL

[muted sandal]

This is how this channel operates

[pure zinc]

These points you make are tiny and aren't even cod created yet you bring up cod

[vagrant pebble]

It will be CoD without SBMM

[pure zinc]

This is what I was saying earlier

[quaint dune]

i mean, i get the cynical behaviour since theres been a lot of good will lost by bad releases. but people are just letting that influence their opinions on every new game instead of giving them a chance

[pure zinc]

Battlefield players have Stockholm syndrome and 2042 schizophrenia

Lol

[quaint dune]

true

[rotund agate]

i know who vince zampella is and what he does, and it lines up with the footage all the braindead ps5 players keep posting

[lyric breach]

anyone wanna play BF4 on PC DM me.

[pure zinc]

Not wrong about the braindead players

[quaint dune]

even so, it is still a pre alpha no?

[pure zinc]

Swear they dont have thumbs

💀

[quaint dune]

i dont think anyone should be panicking rn, if the game looks cheeks by the time it comes to beta then you can panic

[rotund agate]

stated release is "before march 2026" so at most they have 9 months to completely turn it around, realistically 6 cuz bf is always a late fall release

[vagrant pebble]

I doubt they will be able to fix gunplay in 6 months

Maybe movement but gunplay is impossible to fix in 6 months

[quaint dune]

i mean the fact theyre letting the community get hands on this early tells me they want to actually listen to us to some degree. i personally think we give them that chance

[tired cipher]

All I have to say is dice hit the exact spot I felt playing BF3 Beta on Operation Metro

[quaint dune]

yes keep hold of your scepticism as its been earned from all the good will being spent, but lets not bash too much

gotta have patience

[tired cipher]

Only real ones where there

[quaint dune]

oh my the days

bf3 metro

i have ptsd from the nade spam

[tired cipher]

Map was so cooked in beta

Could get under the map and shoot everyone

[quaint dune]

i forgot that was a thing

[tired cipher]

Lay in fake rocks

[pure zinc]

"turn it around" you say that like the game is terrible and that the feedback is all negative when its not

Thers tiny things that are wrong

[rotund agate]

think about who is leaking and why their feedback might be garbage lol

[pure zinc]

Also server browser we dont know for sure if they will have or not

But hope they do

[gentle wedge]

i seriously dont understand whats the point here

[pure zinc]

The gameplay and game to the core is amazing

[muted sandal]

I'd bet on not

[pure zinc]

We'll see

[muted sandal]

The UI already looked like it'll be the same Playlist crap like 2042

[quaint dune]

i just hope they keep the cosmetics actually military themed

[muted sandal]

Maybe a Portal Browser somewhere in there

[quaint dune]

cos i do not want to be running around seeing the skins in 2042 when battlefield is meant to be a more realistic military shooter

[vagrant pebble]

We will probably see Nicki Minaj and Homelander this time

[quaint dune]

pls no