community-update-classes

[wind oyster]

so they kinda had to close the gap and play themselves closer

meaning they were more pressuring

jesus chirst

i wont even debate this

mindless activity

[keen knoll]

brotha what

do you want locked weapons or unlocked weapons

[wind oyster]

dont care eitherway

because it doesnt matter

[keen knoll]

then why the fuck are you here 😭

[wind oyster]

to see people making dimbwit points tbh

[keen knoll]

my point was a point taken from BF4's way of doing it, and how BF2042 and BF6 do it

[wind oyster]

the community will ruin the next bf game anyway ill just have to play dying battlefield games for another few years til they hopefully make bf7 good tbh

[keen knoll]

yo 😭

dawg are you just hating or like, what's your goal here

[ancient heath]

Bros blabbing for the sake of it

[keen knoll]

💀

[ancient heath]

I respect it

[rustic seal]

What's your point? What you don't agree with ?

[keen knoll]

yeah that's what i'm wondering

[keen scroll]

"Everyone is wrong and only my vision for the next battlefield is perfect"

[ancient heath]

There’s no point

[keen knoll]

he's just kinda, here against everybody

[wind oyster]

i said i wont debate it becuase they dont understand the kits from previous battlefield kits anyway

so its mindless

[solid sigil]

erm achkhually itz ‘dimwit’ 🤓

[summer flume]

Is it now play

[rustic seal]

Dude you have not even followed the discussion because that's what we've been talking about for 10 m inutes or more now

[keen scroll]

If you wont debate because people don't understand your points without explaining then go do something else.

[dusk loom]

I don't think it matters whether it's locked or unlocked. What we need is a mixed team of players who play their roles well. This whole debate about weapons is completely pointless.

[solid sigil]

hes still right about how playstyle wise, atleast from what i see, it doesnt shift up role composition :P

[keen knoll]

I've been playing battlefield since 2, I would say ik what I mean. I just think locked weapons would be better so AR's are locked to the assault class that's all

[summer flume]

Is it live now for Play?

[keen knoll]

i'm playing rn but I think everybody has different times

[rustic seal]

Yeah depends on which schedule you chose

[keen knoll]

not even 10, for days that's been this entire convo. That's what this channel is for lmao

[keen knoll]

yeah

[rustic seal]

lol yeah I guess

[wind oyster]

people always point this out for some reason

"ive been playing battlefield for 40 years" 👴

[livid thicket]

because that was battlefield mate

that's why everyone points that out

[wind oyster]

but they are still ass at the game because they never understood how to play gunfights properly or learn the gunplay mechanics of the games or learn the maps/vehicles so its idk

meaningless

[keen knoll]

yeah I was gonna say, YOU mentioned previous battlefield kits

[solid sigil]

its not a broken system, idk why we’ve now tried two (i guess one and a half) games in a row trying to fix it , especially since in literally any other game class usually also means some form of weapon restrictions

[wind oyster]

and those same people are the ones making our new beautiful battlefield game 🫶

[keen knoll]

"our" dawg you aint done nothing but hate this whole time 😭

[solid sigil]

isnt most of the dev team onboarded from 2042 and beyond

somn like that

[keen knoll]

I think so

[rustic seal]

Well when you played dozens iterations of Battlefield games, you are more legit to compare class systems than those who have never tried it

[wind oyster]

worst part is these kids are gonna write 500 word essays to devs as soon as they get the chance and god knows wtf they think is right or wrong with the game then they will play the game for 10h after release and forget about it

[livid thicket]

mate if u can't understand the impact of unlocked guns on all classes just leave. IF I SPOT AN ENEMY IN A GHILLIE SUIT IM EXPECTING IT TO HAVE A SNIPER NOT A M249 FULL SPRAYING ME!

[rustic seal]

And BF has always been about PTFO more than just "gunfights" like you say

[wind oyster]

i dont see why it matters i legit never think of wtf weapon someone plays i just get to a position that fucks everyone regardless of the weapons whilist being mindful of certain things existing

[keen knoll]

ight bruh. You are literally like. idek. Like why are you here? You're just here to tell everybody "It's all going to go wrong, THEM DAMN KIDS MAN" like what. Idk bro you are just here to tell everybody the game is going to be shit, like you have gotta be the most negative person on the face of the planet

[wind oyster]

people talking like they are making a thesis on figuring out what class and weapon someone is playing

[sharp cedar]

theres a lot of situations where that comes in handy

[rustic seal]

if you think that's as easy then no one would be debating about it..

[wind oyster]

"this guy breathed funny it must have a m416 AR and it had those particular shoes that only sks players use" 🤓

[sharp cedar]

ragebaiting hard my guy

[silent blade]

Nobody goes into a building and is wondering what weapon the enemy could potentially have at the top of the stairs.

[wind oyster]

they shouldnt

[rustic seal]

it's about balance, identity of the franchise, objective of the game

[dusk loom]

We won't be getting the old system back that we knew from all the Battlefields before 2042. I agree. Don't fix what isn't broken. Having said that, I also understand why the studio may want to evolve the game and make changes from time to time.

[wind oyster]

watch any actually good player play the game they dont sit in a corner for the entire game trying to figure out what weapon someone is playing

what wins gunfights is positioning, timing and your own reaction time and accuraccy

thats it

[limber dove]

you do know there are multiple playstyles right?

[wind oyster]

you playing some x or y weapons doesnt increase anyones IQ's

[keen knoll]

yo does this mf even play battlefield

[livid thicket]

:))

[rustic seal]

Classes and their roles have always been in BF to serve a way to play the objective, and their weapons have been part of it. They used to be tightly coupled to the class. So that's why this descision is not just a simple change.

[sharp cedar]

nah, if you run into 2 players, which happens often, and one is a sniper and the other one assault, then youd probably want to shoot the assault first because the sniper isnt likely to kill you fast in cqb

[wind oyster]

takes me like .1ms to process that

i see person i shoot person

simple as

[sharp cedar]

thats the thing now, you cant bc every class could be a sniper or have an ar

[rustic seal]

We don't play BF solely for the gunfights. Objectives should remain the main point.

[wind oyster]

im not going to put my thumb in my mouth trying to figure that out for 30 minutes

[keen knoll]

that's another thing yeah

[silent blade]

But no one plays like that. If you see 2 guys appear at you at the same time there's no way you are processing who you should shoot first depending on what gun they have.

[limber dove]

i think having a system where you unlock guns based off of challenges with other guns because it allows people to use each gun and see if they like them or not.

[wind oyster]

i still dont see why it matters tbh

youre talking about a situation where either

i am roaming in some fuck knows place like a headless chicken or those 2 are roaming fuck knows where

[keen knoll]

I personally like. No offense but your idea should be hit by a car. I have nothing against you but doing challenges on a gun to unlock another gun is what made many many people hate on MWII. It's not very liked among the majority

[rustic seal]

Because you can't play the objective with a sniper the same way you would with an AR. They are 2 different playstyle, 2 different approaches. That's why weapons are related to roles too somehow

[wind oyster]

really doesnt matter because every good player will be good with any weapon unless its a complete meme weapon and any bad player will play bad with any weapon regardless

[silent blade]

Pretty sure BF4 had guns locked behind achievements. You had to do an entire easteregg puzzle just to unlock the Bow if I remember correctly.

[livid thicket]

i agree, but the point was to make players use other guns to see if they like them or not. but personally i don't like the system either.

[sharp cedar]

exactly what im saying

[keen knoll]

yeah good point! I mean I get the idea but there's gotta be a different way to do it

[limber dove]

you do know the way mw 2 and 3 did with old bp weaopons was dog and the games prior were better?>

[wind oyster]

you have people proning and sitting in random places with AR's LMG's and SMG's as is why should it matter

[solid sigil]

but it wasnt any where close to all of them though no?

[rustic seal]

You can't rush a flag with a sniper.

[solid sigil]

a mix would be fun :P

[keen knoll]

Yeah I do that's what I was saying

it was stinky

[limber dove]

and when i mean challages i mean like bf1

[wind oyster]

youre obviously going to play more or less passive/aggressive depending on the situation lol

[keen knoll]

my fault, i'm like all over the place. Also challenges for unlocking weapons is cool IF the challenge is fun to do. I don't want to get 250 headshots with some wack ass sniper that nobody in the game likes to use and doesn't 1 tap head

[livid thicket]

unlocked guns on all classes will bring the meta system in battlefield and everyone will chose the class with best perks/signature shit, and the meta weapon. and you will see 20 players with same class and gun running arround.

[rustic seal]

And if class restricted weapons was a game mode lol, end of the debate haha

[wind oyster]

and guess what people still hard rush you with scout rifles sometimes (lol)

[keen knoll]

yeah

[sharp cedar]

also another point is: In bf3 and bf4 i often had to look around for new ammo or health and i could easily walk up to people and knew theyre a medic or support bc of their distinct look or gun related to class

[rustic seal]

Just add a "legacy BF" game mode

[keen knoll]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idk bout that one

[wind oyster]

?

you have class icons

dumdum

[rustic seal]

Or call it "BF vets mode" 😄

[keen knoll]

lmao

[wind oyster]

its not like youre all of a sudden going to have an assault class icon over someones head because they are playing an AR in support class

[keen knoll]

dawg you need to shut the fuck up lmfao

[sharp cedar]

fr

[rustic seal]

Btw, I really hope hardcore mode will be back too ..

[solid sigil]

all of u r so rude

[keen knoll]

hardcore is peak

[livid thicket]

stodeh also mentioned that in a livestream on why unlocked guns is so bad for battlefield also other points, class recognition by clothing, as i've said earlier if i see someone in ghillie suit im expecting it to have a sniper rifle or if i see a rocket launcher im expecting to be an smg/carbine guy so i'll keep my distance when fighting him and more...

[wind oyster]

jesus christ

[sharp cedar]

this guy is hating on everything

[keen knoll]

trying not to be but this guy should have a plane crash into his fucking house. I don't like saying shit like that but this guy is a #1 hater

[ancient heath]

Mans just very based

[keen knoll]

What's wrong now? Someone else has another opinion different from your's 😭

[rustic seal]

I mean the HUD in BF6 is overwhelming. Like those red overlays on the shield, wtf?

[sharp cedar]

yeahhh the UI needs some work, i agree with that

[wind oyster]

milsim gamemode in an arcade shooter, literally why we have so many braindead takes on some things

just play milsim

ez

[limber dove]

me no likey when killed in a few shot :c

[wind oyster]

dedicated games for proning around with 1 shot rifles

[keen knoll]

hardcore has never been milsim are you dumb?

[livid thicket]

i run arround like headless chicken

they shoot

i die

womp womp

[wind oyster]

my kpm is higher than your kd

probably by 4 times

anyway

[rustic seal]

It's still arcade lmao what are you talking about. Its just harder. You die more easily but you can kill more easily, fair enough

[livid thicket]

1v1 minecraft me pickle i ll destroy you

[solid sigil]

lol

[wind oyster]

whats harder?

taking less amount of shots with less required accuraccy?

lol

[rustic seal]

Because you die in 1 bullet

[wind oyster]

they also die in 1 bullet

[limber dove]

whoa we have a certified GAMER here

[sharp cedar]

lmao i cant, this guy

[rustic seal]

xD

[keen knoll]

hardcore isn't mil sim. Mil sim is having to cordinate shit and play it like yk. A fucking military simulation. turning up the TTK by enabling hardcore doesn't do anything but make firefights quicker, and allow people to get 1 tapped to head. You can get 1 tapped to head in CS but it DAMN sure isn't a milsim. You can enabled hardcore in cod but still run around and pop people just the same

it's just quicker

more satisfying for me

[sharp cedar]

biggest ragebaiter in this channel ngl

[solid sigil]

if a br gets added i dont see why a hardcore return is crazy as long as its just side stuff

[rustic seal]

And milsim is slow as fuck

[keen knoll]

yeah

[silent blade]

I think people have a false conception of what Battlefield has always been. There's no coordinated teamwork actually happening during a game. You just hope the team you get is smart enough to play their roles good.

[keen knoll]

lowkey I think he got my ass

😭

[rustic seal]

the dude never played either BF or any milsim i guess

[keen knoll]

yeah

[wind oyster]

do you play hardcore in bf1 by any chance

[rustic seal]

yeah I did back then

[wind oyster]

lol

bf1 is crazy fast man

on console too yeah?

[rustic seal]

I've always liked HC modes in BFs. But anyway, thats personal preferences

[keen knoll]

BF4 metro hardcore

[keen knoll]

me too

[limber dove]

sounds like hell

[sharp cedar]

it is

[livid thicket]

now that's masochist

[keen knoll]

I like hardcore because I can wipe and entire team by myself if I want. In Insurgency Sandstorm thanks to the quick TTK, you can easily stomp on a whole team if you're good enough

[wind oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi5Bl7LKWKc&list=LL&index=2 i want this guy in your hardcore lobbies

[keen knoll]

this is about how I play in hardcore

I see no issue

[rustic seal]

Lol no. Only BFs I played on console was because i didnt have the choice otherwide (BF 2 Modern Combat, of BF BC)

[wind oyster]

[keen knoll]

it's not hard lmfao

[wind oyster]

ok come pc locker rn

post stats btw

[rustic seal]

And sadly I was invited on PS5 for the playtest.. better than nothing i guess

[keen knoll]

you are so fucking petty it's not even funny

[limber dove]

you play BF to sweat, I play to get kills with an RPG, we are not the same

[wind oyster]

come i wanna see you farm dawg

ez game etc

post stats? i want to see your 4kpm locker games

ez

[keen knoll]

i'm playing the playtest rn first of all, and second of all I don't even have BF4 installed rn

[wind oyster]

ah

yes

classic

[tawdry finch]

I play to throw slams on the side of my quadbike and blow up tanks

where does that place me on the scale

[sharp cedar]

ragebaiting again

[rustic seal]

They are clips, not entire game. He would die 100 times too but you don't see it

[wind oyster]

i dont even play to sweat the game is just insanely easy to play

[keen knoll]

I mean I don't so, yk idk what to tell you

[sharp cedar]

i play to get knife kills lol in bf3 knife was my 4th best weapon overall

[wind oyster]

install tn lets farm locker tomorrow

[tawdry finch]

so glad first person knifes are back

[keen knoll]

no

[wind oyster]

why?

[pure zinc]

I keep on seeing reddit people play muslim music with slams and driving into other tanks 💀💀💀

[sharp cedar]

so am i! i like it a lot, besides it being kinda buggy often

[wind oyster]

you just said this pro tier players gameplay is ez and you can do it np

lets play

[keen knoll]

I can install the game in like 20 minutes, and I don't want to play BF4.

[wind oyster]

crazy

why

too ez?

[sharp cedar]

i wouldnt wanna play with someone like u lmao

[tawdry finch]

Gotta throw in an allahu akbar when you’re c4 jeeping

[pure zinc]

💀💀💀

[tawdry finch]

well you did when bf4 was current

[pure zinc]

Shits funny

[keen knoll]

no, I just have other games I want to play. Like The Finals, or the playtest

[tawdry finch]

nowadays maybeee not

[wind oyster]

2nd time you broke nda wild

[limber dove]

i see my KPM is higher at a 1.81 in BF1. my bf4 is lower. prob because i play BF1 way more

[wind oyster]

lol

[keen knoll]

I didn't reveal anything in it, I can say I have the playtest like anybody else in here? Like ones who need help downloading it?

[livid thicket]

my biggest concern is, what is the point in having classes if it's simply just perks and gadgets? That's not a class. That's a loadout...it's a perk system

[wind oyster]

you cant because playerlist is under NDA

its not public info

[sharp cedar]

ragebaiting so hard its actually wild

[keen knoll]

I'm doubting that i'm going to get in trouble for saying I have a playtest

[wind oyster]

ok bet

[keen knoll]

fym "ok bet"

like what 😭

[livid thicket]

bro this guy XD

[rustic seal]

That's what BF has always been about. You can enjoy it no matter how you play and what you like. Vehicles, aircrafts, snipers, ARs.. And it should always remain

[sharp cedar]

🤣

[rustic seal]

BF is a chill game

[sick brook]

[keen knoll]

it's funny to me bc people in these labs discussions have been asking for assistance on installing this whole time and nobody has stepped up to say we're not allowed to

[tawdry finch]

It’s a sandbox game with objectives, i’d be sad to see bf go down the competitive route all other shooters are taking

[limber dove]

well if this is correct than im not as bad compared to you in bf1.

[keen knoll]

i'm genuinely curious on how that's an issue

[sharp cedar]

this guy is just trying to get a reaction out of u

[wind oyster]

@mild rock thoughts?

[keen knoll]

I know, but i'm just sitting here doing my own thing. I'm not really worried about him

[wind oyster]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/origin/9182ui4prvbj

[keen knoll]

lmao

[rustic seal]

Exactly. This is the only franchise out there who masters it so far. The sound design, the graphics, even vehicle physics (except overboards eh xD). Always been top of the art, and should remain.

[livid thicket]

broo haha

[wind oyster]

https://youtu.be/scTqZ26_ANQ?si=WJoibyGfMhca9Uu_

anyway

[limber dove]

still half as good. ill take it

[mild rock]

Thoughts about what yeah they would. Did you delete your other message or am I going crazy

[wind oyster]

ye wrong channel mb

[keen knoll]

why is your bitrate fucked up the ass

[wind oyster]

idk

[tawdry finch]

Eh, the overboards are pretty good. Launching dirtbikes on Silk Road was great

[wind oyster]

my other videos were higher bitrate

[sick brook]

Terrible team score lol

[upper ibex]

yo

[keen knoll]

bc it's recorded in 1080p. Youtube doesn't like 1080p

they shit on the bitrate

[wind oyster]

ye fixed it in other videos

[keen knoll]

your other vids are higher res

[keen knoll]

yeah

[rustic seal]

Haha. Yeah they are special. But I was mainly thinking of them climbing skyscrapers xD

But really, jeeps and tanks physics use to be so satisfying compared to other war games.

[mild rock]

To be fair the mods have been on a deleting streak even to none offending messages so I literally had 0 idea.

[keen knoll]

do you play HLL?

[wind oyster]

played it like 4 times mb

[limber dove]

I still also clicked more heads than you https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/origin/GEI_DERG_BOY/overview

[keen knoll]

ah, idk you seem like a guy to like it

I need BF1 on pc, I just play it through gamepass

[wind oyster]

wont load but you probs have more hours on that acc

[wind oyster]

not really but it was ok for what it was

[tawdry finch]

BF4 was peak physics, sure they were super unrealistic and had handling like you were driving on ice but man was it fun to get a roadkill in that game

[keen knoll]

valid

[wind oyster]

i wouldnt play bf1 at all if i wasnt banned from bf5 community servers and if 2042 wasnt prone console farming

[keen knoll]

2042 feels too easy to get kills. Prolly bc of crossplay

[tough kernel]

i feel like vehicle physics have become really handholdy since battlefield 5 lol. they always hard prevent you from flipping over nowadays

[wind oyster]

people are just spectating ingame they arent even playing it

[keen knoll]

oh actually ik why. Because AI fills games

you can drop 100+ a game just because of AI

[wind oyster]

ive noticed its more of a thing in NA than EU for some reason

i dont really see many AI filled lobbies

[keen knoll]

yeah idk why. Prolly bc the game dead over here but yk

[wind oyster]

idk

cant say because 2042 statistics either dont exist or are bugged

[limber dove]

2042 is just one big bug

[keen knoll]

I got BF2042 on pc but used to play strictly on Series X

[keen knoll]

not really anymore

[wind oyster]

ngl theres no real bugs or glitches anymore

its pretty decent

recent reviews are more positive than negative aswell

[limber dove]

can't even tab out without it crashing after a bit

[keen knoll]

it's not the greatest BF game but it's fun to jump on and get kills, dick around. Play it

[wind oyster]

thats a recent issue afaik

[tawdry finch]

2042 is okay nowadays, just stale asf

[wind oyster]

i crash everytime i die

game alt f4's itself

[limber dove]

nope, since the start

[wind oyster]

idk i havent had that the past 2 years

[keen knoll]

Yeah ngl it's pretty fun! I played some more recently. I enjoy playing BF2042 as a game despite it not being a very great battlefield game

yk, there's a game to play

fun to be had

[wind oyster]

it would actually be a really good game if it had decent maps, mouse input worked and gadget spam was more restricted

[unreal dawn]

Why i cant find a lobby ?

[wind oyster]

the movement system in it is good

[limber dove]

overall it is much better and more fun now, still the one of the worst bf

[wind oyster]

overhated

[keen knoll]

def overhated

[tawdry finch]

Not at launch

[wind oyster]

people glaze bf1 for no real reason

[keen knoll]

yeah no still overhated

[wind oyster]

ye launch was justified hate

[tawdry finch]

but nowadays people can’t get their hate boners down and admit it’s pretty fun

[keen knoll]

at launch it was buggy but not unplayable for me ig, on xbox I had mostly UI bugs, not gameplay issues

like with hitreg and stuff

[wind oyster]

it was pretty unplayable

[keen knoll]

or getting stuck in things

There were def bugs and I know it was realllly bad from what I saw but for me it wasn't like. End of the world bad for me

[tawdry finch]

bugs weren’t the biggest issue, it’s the awful design it had at launch

[wind oyster]

half your game you had no reg, you couldnt shoot your weapons at all, mouse input was bad to the point where you couldnt make any inputs at all without it throwing you to nether realm

[limber dove]

overhated as a whole, my opinions are my own

[wind oyster]

maps were ass

[keen knoll]

fuckass UI would just decide not to work sometimes

[wind oyster]

128 players was ass

[keen knoll]

this is huge

[wind oyster]

weapon balance were ass

[keen knoll]

DM7:

[wind oyster]

gadget balance was so ass they needed to remove some and patch them for a few months

[tawdry finch]

dm7 is a great gun

fuck everyone who says its not

[keen knoll]

that gun was so dumb broken at launch

I loved that damn thing

just mop an entire team like they aren't shit

[limber dove]

lets make 128 players with big open maps and than have to fix maps so they play better

[tawdry finch]

i think the open maps were a leftover from the planned extraction shooter they wanted to make

[wind oyster]

128 players will never play out good

[keen knoll]

it's too many people

[tawdry finch]

as with most of the other game elements

[keen knoll]

more does not equal better

[wind oyster]

you either make the maps gigantic and it becomes pretty stupid or you make them small and it becomes unplayable because youre stuck on 10 different chokes

pick a struggle

[keen knoll]

or both

fuckass sand map

[wind oyster]

theres more rng elements when playing against 128 players aswell

which is just blatantly annoying

[rustic seal]

I had the feeling maps were too small in the playtest. Maybe because they are both filled with corridors

No open spaces

[tawdry finch]

They’ve fucked it up even more now imo, it used to be big but have some cool objectives. Now it’s just boring as hell

[keen knoll]

I could never play a full lobby of 128 I will say. There was ALWAYS AI. Every single time. I would get like 64-92 actual people a game

[keen knoll]

I just leave when I play that map

lmao

[tawdry finch]

I’ve had the feeling that BF has been heading in a smaller direction for a while, hope it’s not true but… Look at the last couple 2042 maps - they’re tiny

[wind oyster]

im so paranoid of bf6 becoming a new bf1

[keen knoll]

overglazed?

[wind oyster]

no

garbage

[keen knoll]

oh

lmao

[tawdry finch]

ragebait?

[wind oyster]

no movement, braindead gadgets

[tawdry finch]

ragebait

[wind oyster]

camperfield 😍

[tawdry finch]

actually no gadgets in bf1 sucked

[keen knoll]

I don't think there has a been a battlefield game I haven't enjoyed just sitting down and playing

[tawdry finch]

that one rocket launcher you could only use prone

[wind oyster]

sweetspot sucked in bf1

majority of the maps were pretty garbage

[rustic seal]

Yeah another COD approach I'd say.. Very hard to play vehicles in these maps. I hope there will be large maps like there used to be in BFs..

[keen knoll]

I played more 5 and 4 than 1 so I can't entirely say a whole lot on it

prolly got 50-70 hours in BF1

[tawdry finch]

As long as they fill the big maps out, the worst bf map of all time in my opinion is heavy metal from bc2. Fuck heavy metal

[wind oyster]

the scouts ingeneral were overpowered because a bodyshot was -70 to -100 in a game where you have no movement to actually properly strafe, jump, slide

[tawdry finch]

for as great as it is bc2 has some gigantic ass, empty ass maps

[limber dove]

okay if you think you could fire 1.59-inch breech-loading Vickers Q.F. gun, Mk II standing up, go do it

[wind oyster]

so it just becomes a game of who has better angles and if your team gave away space or didnt cover angles it was unplayable or if the angles were too covered you cant really do anything because theres no real way to approach

[keen knoll]

BC2 movement felt so fucking stiff, only being able to sprint straight forward felt so weird on MnK when I first played it

[wind oyster]

you could bipod it too

gas was pretty stupid of a gadget though made sense for timeline sure

dynamite was pretty broken

[rustic seal]

yeah for sure, releasing large empty maps nowadays would be a no go. But I liked the idea of 2042 of having both some wide spaces for vehicles and then towns for closer combat.
I used to attack/defend flags by supporting infantry in a vehicle by staying far from the flag yet being able to shoot ennemies

[keen knoll]

god damnit dynamite

[wind oyster]

the nades ingeneral were too spammable

it was just an apple chucking contest not an fps game

[tawdry finch]

reskinned incendiary

[keen knoll]

lmao

[wind oyster]

boring game

[tawdry finch]

actually no because gas just has a “stop hurting me” button

[keen knoll]

ok question, did anybody here actually play hardline

[wind oyster]

legit nothing else to play either insane

[limber dove]

i mean ww1 was more akin to artiliary spam and gas and shit

[keen knoll]

Fuckass gas

[tawdry finch]

I played it. I liked it. It kinda sucked but it was fun

felt like a bf4 spinoff

[keen knoll]

valid

[wind oyster]

still an arcade fps game i want to 1v1 people with guns not get shat on by 300 grenades that people throw on accident

[keen knoll]

I played a lot of hardline

[tawdry finch]

i’ll say one thing, hardline had some good easter eggs

[wind oyster]

so meaningless to play an fps game if youre just going to chuck grenades back and forth for 20 minutes

[keen knoll]

funny reloads

never got them but yk

funny

[tawdry finch]

neebs in the toilet and crocodile

[keen knoll]

BF:H felt like it had a lot of love put into it ngl

[wind oyster]

imo might be a hot take but 2042 had the best movement system

[keen knoll]

2042 has some fluid ass movement sometimes. Chaining a bunny hop out of a plane low to the ground is the shit

[wind oyster]

fluid going into a slide animation, the slide itself was nice to use and actually viable to use, jump shooting felt good, bhopping was fun

[sick brook]

BC2:Vietnam was the best tho

[limber dove]

first person spamming

[tawdry finch]

never played vietnam

[sick brook]

it was great

[keen knoll]

The Finals has some very fluid movement. I can get across the map on that damn game in no time

[tawdry finch]

i just remember playing a buncha arica harbour

[keen knoll]

Hella BHOP material

[wind oyster]

havent played it i heard it was mid

[keen knoll]

it has it's issues but I like it

[tawdry finch]

It’s pretty fun, if you like movement shooters you’ll like it

[sick brook]

Nothing like Huey's flying over head blasting rock music while shooting m60's and someguys blasting a flame thrower

[wind oyster]

i like a game that mixes both i feel like 2042 did it good

[limber dove]

movement is fine, destruction is peak and clearly works because the maps are way smaller than most bf maps

[keen knoll]

A game where destruction actually matters btw

[wind oyster]

you were going to be more passive and grounded when you had to be but could aggro and go on some crazy plays with good movement

[olive oxide]

Is this for bf2042?

[wind oyster]

adds skillgap aswell

[olive oxide]

Which game is this update for?

[tawdry finch]

question: why does everyone hate 2042’s destruction, it wasn’t too bad

[wind oyster]

i have no idea ngl

i keep wondering about it too

[tawdry finch]

most buildings are fully blowupable, they just dont collapse

[limber dove]

the next bf

[olive oxide]

Is this thread for a bf2042 update?

[olive oxide]

Oh ok

[wind oyster]

same as in 1 and 5

[keen knoll]

Legacy maps still have collapsing buildings

it's hard to blow up buildings tho I will say

like harder than other games

[tawdry finch]

oh yeah that arica harbour building they spammed on the newest map

[wind oyster]

the game would be kinda ass if you could break every imaginable object

[sick brook]

Probably cause it's so limited. one wall here or building there while the others are indestructable

[modest flint]

1 and 5 had complete destruction did they not? Like there would be a frame left but all floors and roof would e gone

And walls

[wind oyster]

same as in 2042

[keen knoll]

to some degree yeah. Only reason why it works in The Finals is because of the gadgets along with the way destruction actually has collision physics and you can't just phase through shit

[wind oyster]

part of the roof gone, maybe part of the floorings, part of the stairs, some walls

[tawdry finch]

yeah, i’d say it’s not very game changing too. never really used 2042 destruction for anything other than the fun of blowing stuff up

[wind oyster]

you just couldnt like pull the entire building down which is what people want for whatever reason

[limber dove]

i still prefer an entire building collapsing once enough is destroyed

[wind oyster]

why

youre just removing essential cover/options from the game

lol

[keen knoll]

I don't mind pulling a whole building down IF there is debris left behind for cover. so it's not like, entirely gone because THEN it goes to shit

so technically not entirely pulling it down but stripping it of all it's walls and things

[wind oyster]

youre still just cutting out extra angles

imo bf1 did its destruction perfectly where you could increase your options by destroying some walls for example

but you werent entirely coverless

[keen knoll]

yeah

[wind oyster]

the game should flow in a way where destroyed objects have some purpose

[mild rock]

Its cool seeing the battlefield leveled but it makes the map miserable to play when everything is gone.

[wind oyster]

yeah

for example destroying a lighthouse in bf1 it broke down and gave you vertical cover accross the map

[tawdry finch]

levelution 🤤

[sick brook]

Viva la Levolución!

[limber dove]

that is the beauty no?

[wind oyster]

also if everything becomes hella destructive people will just spam way more explosives at windows because "muh immersion" and idk just cancer tbh

[mild rock]

I liked bf5s system because you could re build and re destroy objectives.

[wind oyster]

more screen clutter aswell

[mild rock]

It made the map feel more natural.

[tawdry finch]

to a point, eventually it just removes all tactics from the game and makes it an empty field

[wind oyster]

never used the building in that game tbh

[vagrant pebble]

Outpost game mode will be exclusive to BFV

[tawdry finch]

honestly i think the cover building system in bf5 felt super gimmicky

to me it was always just a way to pass the time while capping an objective

[mild rock]

It kinda was but wasn't.

[rustic seal]

Destruction in new BF is still too scripted I think. It's not like in The Finals.

[wind oyster]

i always hated 5 heads like this

dudes start building on a solo cap when they could hold angles instead

💀

and then their enemies use whatever they just built and make it harder to cap anyway

[limber dove]

i was just saying what i would prefer but having a building be mostly gone with some walls and areas there still changes how it is played

[wind oyster]

i once watched my teammate build absolutely every imaginable thing you could build and he lost it the moment after

and then our team didnt get it back

[tawdry finch]

yeah, i like how bf4 did it where collapsed buildings still served as cover but were less useful because yk

[dull marsh]

Just now catching up on all this cuz it popped up in my recommended;

I thought the main thing people disliked about the 2042 class system was the focus on playing as a "hero", it's news to me that apparently people didn't like how all weapons were available to all classes

[wind oyster]

thought you meant bad company level destruction

or bf2 tier

[limber dove]

i do like that

[wind oyster]

you just had a pile of debris after a building broke down

[limber dove]

tickles my brain

[wind oyster]

ye but its an fps game not destroy the map game

[tawdry finch]

it was kinda all of that, it just didn’t feel like a bf game

[dusk hull]

I download the game,accept the conditions but after i can't start the game help...

[wind oyster]

by any chance did you read the conditions

[dusk hull]

@wind oyster yes

[modest flint]

Have you never heard of levelutions bf is totally a destroy the map game😂😂

[wind oyster]

really?

[dull marsh]

Well what is a battlefield game?

[limber dove]

everyone has their own opinions, and imo i feel like the class system in this new game sounds like a good inbetween having player have more freedom with what guns they can use but incentavise using the ones that class was made for.

[keen knoll]

a battlefield game

[tawdry finch]

a featherless biped

[limber dove]

a class based squad game where you capture points till the enemies tickets are depleted

[modest flint]

Big maps with people fighting over different sectors lots of vehicle on player combat and vice versa. Destruction of the terrain and world events happening mid match are and having fufiling roles no matter what role you choose
(Pretty much a dream)

[wind oyster]

Battlefield 4, "levolution" refers to interactive environmental changes triggered by player actions or events, "levolution" describes dynamical changes leading to new options/gameplay choices

if you have no map you have no options

just a blank map

thats essentially unusable

=unplayable game

=boring

[dull marsh]

Yea it sounds like the thing with signature weapons and traits is to encourage you to stay in your role but not force you into it

[vagrant pebble]

Destruction is a marketing tactic they've been using since BC games 🥱

[wind oyster]

i also want people to play the game instead of destroying some map and doing nothing

[vagrant pebble]

No BF game is made better with destruction except 3 or V maybe

[mild rock]

To be fair the hammer to the oven goes hard.

[dull marsh]

Idk I don't really see why people dislike what the current plan for classes is.

In the video I watched, the dude said something like "if I see a guy in a full ghili suit I expect him to have a sniper rifle, not spraying at me with an assault rifle" as if in BF4 you didn't see recons running around with a AK-5C

[vagrant pebble]

BF4 had terrible class and weapon balancing too

[mild rock]

You can usually discern the gun by their playstyle anyways.

[wind oyster]

they are all bad players

at the end of the day

[tawdry finch]

to be fair if i see a dude im shooting him, i don’t think “hmm this guy must have an lmg, meaning im at the disadvantage here…”

[wind oyster]

good players will play good despite open or closed class system

[mild rock]

The monkey pattern recognition angle should kick in

[limber dove]

because people want to only play sniper and dmr as a recon

[wind oyster]

and bad players will play bad despite open or closed class system

[limber dove]

and such

[rustic seal]

Idk if that's already the case, but does the game actually rewards you if you play you role ? Like capturing a flag as an assault player, healing as a support etc..

[mild rock]

Points.

[wind oyster]

so at the end it doesnt impact anyone and it doesnt impact the game

[dull marsh]

DMRs were an all class weapon in BF4 too, idk man

[wind oyster]

its a battlefield game its going to give you score for every random activity

[tawdry finch]

ribbons

[rustic seal]

As there are passing/active perks now, playing the role should make those perks happen faster

[mild rock]

I have come out and said on my end I'll be maining assault with the assault rifles. To me it doesnt matter but I think it'll be good for the community if they can play how they want with their class.

[rustic seal]

Yeah i miss those. But I mean something maybe more useful on the battlefield than just stats

[wind oyster]

idk in bf4 you got all perks within like first 5 mins anyway

i dont think itll take a lot of time for people to gain perks

[tawdry finch]

uhh… a feeling of pride and accomplishment?

[mild rock]

I would love to do some shenanigans with claymores with recon and shit.

[wind oyster]

rat activities

[dull marsh]

I am shotgunning on all classes and I cannot be stopped

[rustic seal]

A way to encourage people to playing their role.

Rather than just playing for kills

[wind oyster]

they never play their role

it doesnt matter

they will just drool on themselves and watch other people play the game

[rustic seal]

If they're not, BF is dead then

[tawdry finch]

I will be maining the fastest smg in the game and running into choke points before being shot by 10 dudes

[wind oyster]

teamplay has never been a thing

[tawdry finch]

my foolproof plan

[dull marsh]

It's pretty gud

[rustic seal]

Not directly, but it has been indirectly by each people choosing the right role at the right situation when respawning.

[wind oyster]

idk ive lost all hope for this game after seeing people have such meaningless thoughts

[rustic seal]

Whenever I die in a BF I ask myself which role should I take now to help the team

Like If i feel there are no medics enough, i take medic and so on

[limber dove]

i still don't understand why people want to be sent back to the stone age where you can only use certain guns with certain classes. like overall it doesn't matter

[tawdry finch]

battlefield community has been terrible since forever

[wind oyster]

2- theres few pros to have with an open class system, it means that people wont be keen on picking a particular class (a class that they likely wont play anyway) for specific group of weapons but seeing as classes vary a lot in 1,4,5 i dont think itll be an issue or something that will change much of anything
this was my initial take on open vs closed class

[marble parrot]

CLASS SYSTEM HAS TO BE THE SAME AS BAD COMPANY 2 AND THAT'S IT

[limber dove]

the internet has been terrible since forever

[tawdry finch]

ture…

[wind oyster]

Open class system clearly won’t make people play their kits better regardless, majority of players from older titles and current title dont actually play their kits effectively so at the end of the day it wont really matter what weapon they will pick

[vagrant pebble]

I prefer restricted classes because classes feels more unique

I adapt to that gameplay style

Instead of carrying whatever I've been using already

[wind oyster]

gameplay style in battlefield will always be pay attention get better position shoot gun

have good timing farm everything

doesnt matter

[vagrant pebble]

It does

[limber dove]

okay than lets have like 20 different squad roles

[rustic seal]

Yeah you don't play with an AR the same way you do with a SMG, an LMG or a Sniper

[wind oyster]

why

[rustic seal]

4 classes, 4 playstyle

With open class, playstyles are the same

[wind oyster]

no

[limber dove]

a sniper vs a desinated marksmen do not have the same role

[tawdry finch]

Maybe YOU don’t, I rush chokepoints with snipers, git gud

[wind oyster]

people are talking as if open class = 1 weapon in the entire game

[limber dove]

a rifleman does not have the same role as a desinated marksmen

[rustic seal]

Because those 4 weapons have very diferent handling

[vagrant pebble]

You can simplify every game like that but reality is different with locked classes.

[next sky]

truthnuke

[wind oyster]

not really

parabellum in bf1 was a bigger smg 08 with a bipod legit viable at anything

[marble parrot]

https://pt.bloggif.com/output/2/a/2adcd34c712cf9234941fd39d8600ab3.gif?1748208731

[rustic seal]

like i said earlier you're not supposed to rush with a lmg or a sniper for example

[pure zinc]

"My way of thinking is right and other peoples thinking is wrong" type thinking

[tawdry finch]

any more pixels?

[wind oyster]

why though

[rustic seal]

And SMG are for close combat while ARs for close/mid

[vagrant pebble]

BFV had a really nice class balance imo. ARs were standard full autos. SMGs were less accurate ARs with bigger mags. LMGs were more accurate ARs with less ammo per mag or slower fire rate.

[wind oyster]

if i can then why should i sit around and have thoughts and prayers of someone else doing it

[marble parrot]

IN BAD COMPANY 2 EACH CLASS HAS ITS OWN WEAPONS, THIS IS PERFECT

[sick brook]

something something nostalgia

[pure zinc]

They are more Long/mid/close

[wind oyster]

bf has never been a hyper tactical game

[limber dove]

lets lock what guns you can use to the team you are playing and to what class you are playing, so than as a medic for the us you can only use a m4 and a m18

[rustic seal]

Because LMGs are slower, heavier etc.. and snipers have slow fire rate and you're not supposed to no scope

[wind oyster]

you just debunked your own argument

[pure zinc]

You sound like a very entitled person

[marble parrot]

https://imgur.com/4d534c77-fc89-47be-b865-23344a490f56

[rustic seal]

no

[wind oyster]

they arent

[tawdry finch]

In bad company every class has a XM8. We need XM8field

[wind oyster]

runspeed isnt effected by any held weapon in any battlefield game

[rustic seal]

If they aren"t anymore then the game is dead

[vagrant pebble]

ADS speed is, strafe speed is

[wind oyster]

the most youll see is maybe ADS time and slightly more spread

[rustic seal]

It's no longer Battlefield

[wind oyster]

but its such an insignificant thing anyway

[rustic seal]

not really

[vagrant pebble]

Nah, not in this game

[pure zinc]

Lmg ads has always been fast

💀

[wind oyster]

because ads times are still pretty fast and if you position well you almost always have time anwyay

[limber dove]

did you know smgs are only used for the us military police? and seal team shit

[rustic seal]

like a squad of snipers rushing a flag would be dead against a squad of ARs

[vagrant pebble]

Even AR ADS is slow in Labs

[marble parrot]

They are completely different weapons.

[wind oyster]

nice nda break

[vagrant pebble]

I don't care

[wind oyster]

also lol yikes

[vagrant pebble]

People were talking about it for 2-3 days with no issues

[wind oyster]

another slop of a game

[rustic seal]

That"'s a mistake

[wind oyster]

ggwp gonna play another 6 years of bf1 because nothing else to play

[limber dove]

XM8 was a very versatile system, too bad it flopped

[wind oyster]

just please give me a good game for once dice

[vagrant pebble]

I will prolly not play it unless they revamp whole gunplay

[limber dove]

can't wait for the XM7 to be the same

[tawdry finch]

A good battlepass you say?

[pure zinc]

Majority dont complain about it so

[limber dove]

NDA much?

[mild rock]

Lmg accuracy has always been lower than usual

[rustic seal]

my point is just to say that those 4 weapon types used to be and should remain different playstyles

[mild rock]

Or more affected by moving spread accuracy

Etc

[vagrant pebble]

Who cares about NDA? I'm not even invited to playtest 😂

[wind oyster]

they also lower others accuraccy because of suppression

[pure zinc]

Ummm, you realize that when they first announced labs there was like a 15 second clip and you can see the ads

💀

[limber dove]

i know

im just being a piss ant

[tawdry finch]

dice violated their own NDA

sue them

[pure zinc]

Lol

[wind oyster]

gl aiming when a parabellum is infront of your nose spamming at 700rpm

[vagrant pebble]

Not in BFV tbh

[wind oyster]

i still get roughly 30% aim accuraccy on parabellum anyway so you can still be pretty accurate

[vagrant pebble]

BFV LMGs were accurate ah, at least those with 20 round mags

[limber dove]

also once again saying something is slow in pre alpha is valid but once again PREALPHA

[wind oyster]

ye same with bar, benet, chauchat, huot, madsen in bf1

lewis

[tawdry finch]

bf1 lmgs were god awful

[wind oyster]

just gigashit spread when you attempted to even slightly strafe but that game had no strafing anyway so it doesnt matter

[tawdry finch]

full auto snipers

[limber dove]

you were just bad

[wind oyster]

nah

bf1 lmgs are pretty dog

parabellum has a ttk of 340ms til 100 meters

[pure zinc]

Most guns are baf

[tawdry finch]

those telescopic pieces of shit could laserbeam you from anywhere

[pure zinc]

Bad*

[vagrant pebble]

BF1 LMGs gain accuracy over time, BFV LMGs were pretty standard in how they worked

[pure zinc]

So much fucking bloom in battlefield 1

[limber dove]

most automatic guns suck ass

[wind oyster]

thats almost as fast as most smgs at 20m

and faster than any medic gun

[wind oyster]

??

legit the most broken weapons were full auto 💀

[tawdry finch]

This is why I run saiga + shorty

or phantom bow and mares leg

whichevers funnier

[wind oyster]

anni had sub 200ms ttk with no spread, automatico has no spread sub 200ms ttk

[mild rock]

Bf1 bf5 lmgs were much different due to the time period.

[wind oyster]

yeah

[mild rock]

I liked them like that

[wind oyster]

modern guns are all much more versatile

they dont even weigh much nowadays

[mild rock]

Fuck me I read anni/ annihilator as the damn mech from battletech.

[wind oyster]

pretty sure our new negevs are like sub 9kg

[limber dove]

i mean lmgs are more used for suppressive fire, and burst will always be more accurate than auto

[mild rock]

The LSAT i think is 5 kilos?

[wind oyster]

which honestly isnt even heavy with proper slings

[mild rock]

It uses caseless ammo too

[sick brook]

A kilo is a thousand grams, easy to remember!

All around the world today, the Kilo is the measure.

[rustic seal]

Really imo it depends on what we define as a "role". Like if we want roles similar to real life then its normal that support has LMG, staying behind infantry (assault) to cover them. Recons have snipers, stay far away to spot ennemis before the teams moves on. And so on...

[wind oyster]

this will never happen

[mild rock]

Ya. 1k, 1kg, etc

[wind oyster]

we wont get a hyper tactical game

[rustic seal]

But as the game is not a milsim, it does not make sense to think about it like that

[wind oyster]

we will get a run and shoot game

hopefully anyway

if its hyper tactical then its just another battlefield failure

[rustic seal]

Yeah but I think that's the problem, the game is not clear about what they define as "role"

[sick brook]

Whoever got the kilos got the candy, man

[limber dove]

what new negevs?

[rustic seal]

Like, do the roles names still make sense nowadays

[wind oyster]

a role as in the kits they have

but people wont fulfill their roles anyway

[limber dove]

no

and yes

[wind oyster]

medics will rarely get revives, supports will rarely give ammo

play bf1

it legit never happens

or 5

[limber dove]

it never happens in any game

[wind oyster]

so there being locked class systems doesnt change anything

[mild rock]

Its why dice makes ammo crates super powerful because supports dont tend to do their jobs.

[rustic seal]

But it used to. So I'm wondering what happened so that its no longer true

[limber dove]

that is why if you play your role you almost always top score

[wind oyster]

stupid tbh

[rustic seal]

i think BF3 was the BF with the most medics at least

[wind oyster]

you dont even have to play the game for it you just spamm ammo crate and sit behind your teammates licking the ground while they play and you can still end up in top 10

such valuable creatures they are

[sick brook]

bf3 medic chains lol

[limber dove]

i said TOP

[mild rock]

I dont think ammo crates are overpowered cause what else do you do.

But they do a lot.

[rustic seal]

That's if you PTFO, no matter which class you take

[wind oyster]

if bf6 becomes gadget spammy again then idk

bf5 had the best gadget balance

2042 went to shit

bf1 was hella gadget spammy

[stable tundra]

Does someone else have issues getting into battlefield labs?

[rustic seal]

Dude I miss those days

[wind oyster]

4 was insanely gadget spammy

[signal herald]

No issues was playing a min ago

But lagging bad

[limber dove]

the US stopped using the XM25 so than we can't have it in this next bf smh

[wind oyster]

4 was so gadget spammy that custom servers had to forcefully rule out half the explosive gadgets

[sick brook]

was good times

[vagrant pebble]

Also best class/weapon balance tbh to an extent

Every class had their own signature strong options

[rustic seal]

you mean best times, after BF2

[wind oyster]

idk i liked bf1s class system the most but it was ww1 so its not like it was a genius who made that system

[stable tundra]

Yes just send you a private message. Maybe you could help?

[vagrant pebble]

One cardinal sin of BFV system was attrition, pretty much forced people to play medic, BFV without attrition would have the best balance imo

[signal herald]

@stable tundra well game working no issue getting in labs but today last day ends at 1

[mild rock]

Hah you do know there are mentions of it coming back right.

Look as long as its not 3HK or just isnt super oppressive I am "ok"

[wind oyster]

i also liked how bf1 gave you options for example liu was 1:1 with g98 so you had a bolt action in medic class if you needed it, autoloading extended contested smg roster pretty well, farquhar, howell contested midrange mgs well

support class had burton which contested well against smgs, some close/mid end weapons like madsen and bar constested good against medics and whatnot

even scoutclass had a self loading rifle that acted like a slightly weaker carbine

the m1903 exp

[limber dove]

would be the funniest thing the US military has done, other than trying to adopt a rifle from SIG

[wind oyster]

yet people are still complaining about open class

classic

"how would i know if a medic had a sniper" like bruh liu in bf1? hello?

[signal herald]

Kinda hope they do better uniforms for each side

[wind oyster]

"idk if support has smg" burton? hello?

fan favorite game btw

even 5 was pretty open

assault class had a lot of smg weapon type competitors

some AR's that contested support guns

medic had some sniping rifles still

support also had fg which was one of the most broken smg type weapons in the game

bf4 was semi open class

theres never been hardlocked weapons

bf4 is also fan favorite btw

no one once complained about scouts having a carbine in bf4

[mild rock]

You mean the RM277?

[wind oyster]

forgot to reply we got NG7's in estonia

[dusk ether]

the bullpup one?

[rustic seal]

BF2 had

[wind oyster]

bf2 also had like 30 different classes

[sick brook]

bf1942 as well iirc

[rustic seal]

That was cool tbh

Had 7

[wind oyster]

isnt good for balancing

[limber dove]

clean

[wind oyster]

we had a lot of jams with some

[limber dove]

smh

[rustic seal]

I guess so. Was a long time ago. Wonder how it would be like nowadays

[limber dove]

fire the gun correctly than

[mild rock]

Graduating to .277 meant that they were either going for M7 or Rm277. I am curious how they would have modified the RM.

[limber dove]

I love when the US Military decides to use a gun with a round made by a specific company that just so happens to be the one they chose for their next gun

[mild rock]

Battlefield has always made good predictions. Just the naming scheme a little off!

[rustic seal]

In the end, maybe the issue is not the class restricted weapons, but rather the class gadgets. Maybe bring the gadget same as in BF3.

Like we said earlier, the Assault class is being useless now. So giving it the medkit+defib, and give support ammo instead

[limber dove]

i mean the M7 rifle was in bf2042

[mild rock]

I know?

[limber dove]

i would also say one thing but nda

[fresh cliff]

Imo the assault class is the opposite of useless. They gave it free self healing, spammable grenade launchers, and two primaries

I can guarantee that it will be the most used class by far if they don’t fix this blatantly terrible ability balancing

I agree with what you say if they remove the two primaries tho. They really have put themselves in a bad situation with this

If they don’t take away the two primaries, assault will be used by 90% of the community

And if they take it away, there will be no reason to use assault. When it was first leaked that assault had basically 0 team play gadgets, I assumed they wanted to make assault the push class that had the good weapons. Removing the ar monopoly from assault removes half of the reason to play it

[mystic escarp]

im pretty sure two primaries will be removed, if not... BF6 is FRIED. two primaries is just a bad idea

[tacit ginkgo]

I have a question if i get selected to participate in one playtest can i also play in future playtests ? Or only for the one i got selected

[light quarry]

running a mid range oriented assult rifle and a shotgun AND a GL is a bit too strong on any city maps

[fresh cliff]

Agreed

I pray that the testers have some common sense to call it out

[light quarry]

or running double rpg on engi

[fresh cliff]

I hope that’s just a bug

I have a feeling they’re trying to remove all macro gaming though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a feature

[tacit ginkgo]

?

[fresh cliff]

Iirc you’re invited to all playtests if you got an invite to the normal play tests. Idk about the stress alpha though. It seems like it has different rules

[pure zinc]

Battlefield 6 isnt going to die just becuase 2 primaries, you are blowing out of proportions a little too much

[tacit ginkgo]

Oh okay

[hidden vector]

Flying my helicopter over to take out those pesky snipers on the edge of the map. Oh no, they have stingers

[fresh cliff]

The game itself isn’t going to die, but all balancing is

Giving assault two primaries goes completely against what they said they want to do: give each class a fighting chance to be picked.

Nobody in their right mind will pick anything but assault as their normal class because two primaries is just straight up op

It gives you double the ammo, removes all reason to think about engagement distances, and removes a ton of macro gaming

In previous games, you had to choose between which gun you wanted to use for that life and work around it. Giving people a second primary means that they can just pick an ar and a shotgun or an ar and a sniper and be set. No need to work around sight lines, just switch to your second gun with a completely separate engagement distance

[terse token]

having all weapons for every class is okay, the problem is how the classes are setup, there is no incentive to play as a team or to entice teamwork

[hidden vector]

I didn't like the plus system in 2042 because of this, but to a lesser extent. Takes out the need to adapt your playstyle, instead you just adapt your kit on the fly with the press of a button. 2 primaries is even worse.

[fresh cliff]

[light quarry]

there is very high potential for assult to become oppressive for infantry and engi for vehicles

the plus system adds even more to that indeed

[terse token]

they should take health regen away to make medics more useful

[lucid river]

Tbh only game I’m hopeful for at this point is arc raiders and BL4 lmao

[fresh cliff]

This is exactly what’s going to happen. Everyone will use assault until a tank shows up then they’ll switch to engineer to delete the tank using the two launchers they have

Support is useless because assault now has double the ammo and free self healing

Recon has always been kinda useless, but removing its sniper monopoly seals the deal on its uselessness

[light quarry]

support can shine with help of recon tho, tugs is a pretty great asset and a 100 round mag at a fast rof can counter a a good 3-4 people

[terse token]

thats the problem, they need to make the classes more useful

[fresh cliff]

Support doesn’t have a lmg monopoly anymore

Assault can now equip an ar and a lmg in the same loadout

[terse token]

take away health regen and squad revives, support class perk for medic should be health regen and faster team healing for medics

[light quarry]

man i already forgot kek

[terse token]

thats because support got merged with medic

[fresh cliff]

No? It’s because they decided that class locked weapons wasn’t needed in a class based game

[hidden vector]

Several times on Reddit, I've been told that primary guns don't affect a class's role 💀

[terse token]

the weapons you carry has nothing to do with the class you play

the problem is the classes dont force teamwork

[light quarry]

yea support got got nothing going for it, defibs are the only usefull thing and maybe the class perks

[fresh cliff]

Yes it does? Weapon choice has always been half of the reason people play a specific class

The only reason recon gets any players is because of snipers

[terse token]

they had opened up weapon choices in bf4

[fresh cliff]

And assault can have arguably bad gadgets because it gets the all around good ar weapon class

[terse token]

you could run marksmen rifles with any class

[hidden vector]

Yeah, it wasn't ideal

BFV is the closest to perfect for me

[terse token]

bfv classes were closest to perfect because we had more classes to choose from

[fresh cliff]

What BfV were you playing? V had 4 classes like every game after bf2

[terse token]

i could have sworn it had more than 4

[fresh cliff]

Unless you’re talking about weapon classes

[hidden vector]

There were combat roles within each of the 4 classes

Each of the 4 classes had 2 combat roles with different perks

[fresh cliff]

There was that, yeah, but iirc they only acted like perks

[light quarry]

like in 4

[terse token]

the class archetype is what i was thinking of

they need more of that

or go back to what bf2 had

and leave engineers with shottys

with 2042 the supposed classes felt non existant

and from what ive seen in the leaks the new game is similar

[fresh cliff]

Weirdly, HL has my favorite class weapon balance

[hidden vector]

I didn't mind BF1's, you choose 3 perks that slightly help you depending on your playstyle

[terse token]

I knew snipers in bf1 that played like assault players lol

the one shot head shots were nice

[hidden vector]

The sweet spot sucked (meaning it was too good)

[terse token]

i think bf2 had the best class system and sandbox feel

bf3 had the best maps

and dlc

bfv had best movement and gunplay

bf4 should have been bf3 dlc

[hidden vector]

The classes in BFV are so unique from one another, they feel so different switching from one class to another. That's what I like

BF1 as well

[fresh cliff]

Iirc this is HL’s layout

Assault: ars and carbines
Support: high caliber battle rifles, heavy carbines, and shotguns
Engineer: sub machine guns
Recon: snipers and high-caliber semi autos (dmrs)

[terse token]

I think they should expand to more than 4 classes

Assault
Medic
Support
Engineer
Recon

[hidden vector]

Assault
Engineer
Medic
Recon
Support

Hey yo

[terse token]

that would solve half the problems

[hidden vector]

Nah, we don't wanna balance the ARs properly, so everyone gets them

[terse token]

Enginners should be divided between anti tank and engineer- auto fixes vehicles

leave weapons free for all

[fresh cliff]

HL is a weirdly good example of good balancing

They removed heavy armored vehicles like tanks so the gunplay was much more important. Imo they got it pretty perfect

[hidden vector]

This is where different combat roles would come in

[terse token]

as long as the class perks and gadgets promote teamwork

get rid of auto health regen on infantry and vechicles to make medics and engineers more useful

support gets ammo resupply

[wispy carbon]

Regardless of where you stand with their proposed system, it would be in Dice's best interest to just go with the system that majority of people want

I personally will play regardless

[hidden vector]

I don't mind tanks being able to repair up to a certain point on there own like in V

[fresh cliff]

Eh. I wouldn’t say get rid of health regen completely. Imo it should either only heal up to a certain point or heal slowly

[terse token]

in bf2 enginners in tanks could passively repair other vehicles

[hidden vector]

This is what confuses me. Who isn't going to play the game if they lock guns to classes? I know of people that aren't going to get the game if guns are universal. It was a big part of why I didn't get 2042.

[terse token]

or give a health pack like in bfv that only medics can resuppily

[hidden vector]

I want to give them my money

[terse token]

2042 went downhill for me and why i quit playing it was when they restricted xp on the community servers, it pretty much killed my community

regradless bf2 did it the best

Assault - Primary role is to engage in combat with enemies at medium range.

Medic - Primary role is to revive and heal teammates.

Anti-Tank - Primary role is to undertake anti-tank warfare.

Engineer - Primary role is to repair or destroy vehicles.

Support - Primary role is to provide suppressive fire against enemies and resupply teammates.

Special Forces - Primary role is carry out stealth and sabotage missions.

Sniper - Primary role is to engage targets at long distances.

[hidden vector]

My issue with Assault's primary role being just to engage enemies, is that every class does that

[terse token]

Assault uses assault and battle rifles with underslung grenade launchers (the G3 being the sole exception, instead automatically giving the player hand grenades)
Medic uses assault rifles.
Anti-Tank primarily uses submachine guns, and carry an anti-tank launcher.
Support uses machine guns.
Special Forces uses assault carbines with red dot sights.
Engineer primarily uses shotguns.
Sniper uses sniper rifles with high magnification scopes.

Commander - Allows the player to see an overhead view of a map and issue orders to teammates as well as provide them with resources. Anyone player can become the Commander but higher ranking players will take priority.

Squads - Allows up to six players to group up in a squad with a maximum total of nine squads able to be created per team. Squad leaders can request and receive orders from the commander, and can place requests for commander assets on the Commander view. Further, the squad leader serves as a mobile spawn point for his respective squad; otherwise, only the flags are able to be used as spawn points

[hidden vector]

Personally, I like 4 or 5 classes. 4 works in a game like BFV, 5 is better suited for a modern setting where there is more variety in types of weapons and gadgets. But 4 can still work I think for a modern setting if done properly

[terse token]

yep

[vagrant pebble]

We don't need that many classes and we don't need to give all the automatics to one class

[terse token]

i think out of all the battlefield games bf2 i have the most hours in

i only quit playing it when bfbc2 released for pc

[mild rock]

I feel like if for the sake of the argument snipers were locked exclusively to recon open classes wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

[vagrant pebble]

Assault:

• ARs
• Shotguns
  Engi:
• Carbines
• DMRs
  Support:
• Battle Rifles
• LMGs
  Recon:
• BARs
• SMGs

Is how I would design them

[terse token]

eww

i primarly play as a medic and i dont wanna be stuck with lmgs

[vagrant pebble]

That's why BRs are in support

[fresh cliff]

I agree. We need HL’s classes. Just give support lmgs and move shotguns to engineer and imo it would be perfect for a modern bf

[terse token]

i play medic aggressivly

[mild rock]

You should be able to use an assault rifle if you so desire, But to take an LMG if you want to means that you'll suffer no downsides using one.

[terse token]

thats why i like the open system

[mild rock]

Or hell, Take a PDW.

I'd actually be more open to using class weapons with the perks if it meant with the beneifts that came with it.

[vagrant pebble]

Perks are useless as of now, except for recon sniper combo

[terse token]

thats why they need to make the classes worth while

[mild rock]

Through datamine and so nothing is set in stone, Support has NO sprint movement penalty with LMG's. That's pretty good for me.

[terse token]

force the teamwork aspect and pros of using a certian class

[mild rock]

Cause it means I can still be a reactive medic.

[terse token]

like i stated earlier take away regen health for inf and veh

taking away the squad revives

[mild rock]

I can't agree with that.

[terse token]

whats the point of medics then?

[mild rock]

To keep people healthy but they shouldn't be the only ones to keep you healthy.

[terse token]

or enginners to repair vehicles

[fresh cliff]

This is mine

Assault:

• ars and carbines
  Support:
• high caliber battle rifles, heavy carbines, and lmgs
  Engineer:
• sub machine guns and shotguns
  Recon:
• snipers and high-caliber semi autos (dmrs)

Basically just HL’s system

[mild rock]

Bf5 had this issue.

Attrition was pretty much that, But because not everyone in battlefield wants to team - play it creates issues.

[terse token]

bfv still relied on medics but you could resupply at the stations

every class had 1 health pouch

but what im saying is that only way to refill that health pouch is via medic

medics do fast revives

[mild rock]

I've played bf5 fort 2700 hours as a support main and I will say not being able to regenerate my self to full (passively) was genuinely frustrating.

[terse token]

if you keep revive system in

[light quarry]

squad revives should stay tbh, dragging your buddy to safety shouldnt be medic only

[terse token]

and thats what a medic is for

[mild rock]

Bf5 did a lot of things right to cirvument some of the issues but they were just band aids to the problem they made.

[terse token]

incentivise teamwork

[mild rock]

I'm all for teamwork but don't actually fuck me over.

[vagrant pebble]

ARs and carbines being on the same class wouldn't be that good imo, no one would use carbines. Engineer is actually good. Support is good. I dislike recon having DMRs and BARs. Reason why I give shotty to assault and DMR to engi is because they expand their ranges. Engi gets a long range option, assault gets an even more close range option. I wouldn't give SMGs to engi either. SMGs should be with recon imo. As a close range option.

[mild rock]

That's really where I stand.

I want more team work I want blueberries to do their job but gimping health to force teamwork doesn't work.

[terse token]

they need to make it where people actually get rewarded for teamwork

the open weapons wouldnt matter at that point

[mild rock]

YES there were ways to get around it, Play medic with infinite heals, Health and ammo stations. But as a whole health attrition itself was problematic.

You can't rely on blueberries.

[terse token]

people not teamworking wouldnt get many points

[mild rock]

I'm really sorry to say.

No matter how much you sweeten the pot with points you cannot rely on teammates.

[terse token]

i must have been lucky with the people i squad up with we had one of each class

or a squad with 1 recon 1 support and 2 medics

[mild rock]

A dedicated squad, A balanced squad can decimate a lobby because they can keep supplied and in communication while your own blueberries are trying to connect cables to their brains to form a spark.

[fresh cliff]

That’s fair. I’d be fine with that system

I find giving smgs to recon to be kinda weird, but it’d be an interesting change

[mild rock]

I've had amazing squads too! Mute squads that work toegether are rare but they are amazing.

[hidden vector]

Assault - ARs, mid-range semi-autos
Engineer - SMGs, PDWs, shotguns
Recon - Snipers, DMRs
Support - LMGs, high caliber battle rifles, carbines
idk

[terse token]

true but, if there was an incentive for teamwork things would change

[light quarry]

less than you might think

[mild rock]

There should be a greater incentive yes but at the same time you shouldn't make people suffer for not recieving the teamwork.

Medics are still insanely powerful anchors keeping everyone full.

[terse token]

i hate to say it but delta force had random blue berry medics come revive and ammo people drop ammo alot since you got lots of points

[mild rock]

To drag people into cover faster and revive at the same time, Faster than any class? This is BIG.

Squad revive just makes squad play matter more.

[terse token]

3 sec revive for medic and 10 sec revive for non medics

[mild rock]

10 seconds no.

[opal elm]

i wanna use DMRs on classes other than recon 😦

[mild rock]

That's way too much of a punishment.

[hidden vector]

No

[terse token]

i agree

i used dmr as support alot in bf4

[opal elm]

the ones that can go full auto at least

[vagrant pebble]

DMRs should be for engineers imo

[hidden vector]

You can use semi-autos with assault tho

[light quarry]

10sec is way too long, im not gonna risk it and will just leave you there

[opal elm]

yeah but they wont go as far blondy 😎

[mild rock]

Dmr's are fine all kit.

Just make it sure they can't OHK someone ot the head and have crazy zoom.

[vagrant pebble]

I dislike universal weapons tbh, I would rather lock them to engineer

[hidden vector]

I think the strong, long range ones should be locked to recon, the mid-range, 3-4 shot can be

[vagrant pebble]

Only meme weapons such as crossbows should be universal imo 😂

[opal elm]

yeah definitely 2 hit to the head

[terse token]

what is wrong with universal weapons?

[tough kernel]

why lock weapons to one specific class. could get an in between where types could be used by two/three classes but not the remaining ones

[mild rock]

2 to the head back to back.

[vagrant pebble]

Dilutes class identity

[mild rock]

Parrot?

BIRD

[hidden vector]

Makes classes less unique, you can have silly combos that are annoying to fight

[opal elm]

i agree not all weapons need to be universal

but DMRs are too cool to be left to sniper only class

[vagrant pebble]

They should be an engineer weapon imo

[mild rock]

Dice is pushing for that uniqueness with class perks, weapon perks and 3 gadgets.

[vagrant pebble]

Engineer lacks long range options already, DMRs would assure that

[tough kernel]

i hate lack of weapon restrictions, but i also do not think 1 type should just be restricted to 1 class. could be just one class not being able to use x

[opal elm]

true

[terse token]

class identity relys on gadgets and perks of that class and not the weapon they use, besides most people will use what they want

[opal elm]

engineer or medic imo

[hidden vector]

Recon with snipers locked to it has the same role as recons with SMGs locked to it?

[vagrant pebble]

It doesn't matter

2042 already has that

[hidden vector]

how do I countersnipe with my smg

[vagrant pebble]

Only assault kit is good that's why people are playing assault in 2042

[terse token]

my opinion is that some play recon agressivly and dont want to use bolt actions, they play it as a spec ops style

[fresh cliff]

That’s only half of the identity

Who actually refers to recon as the reconnaissance class instead of as the sniper class

Class guns are built into their identity

[vagrant pebble]

SMG recon is for aggressive recon playstyle

Placing respawn beacons and TUGS near firefights etc.

[fresh cliff]

That’s why the class weapon perks exist in the new game

[mild rock]

2042's class system is half asssed becuase they game wasn't meant for that.

[fresh cliff]

Why would they worry about that if classes identities weren’t linked to their guns

[hidden vector]

Well, I want to have rockets as a medic, but I dont get to

[tough kernel]

i miss old respawn beacons where you got air dropped instead of the cheesy instant spawn

[terse token]

and thats where the classes come in

gadgets to classes weapons to everyone

[hidden vector]

To say that your primary weapons, if locked, don't greatly affect your class's role, is silly

[vagrant pebble]

We don't know if BF6 is meant for that either, I heard some inside info that suggests opposite

Might not be true though

[mild rock]

The point of open weapon classes is to allow classes to focus in on their roles.

I don't really see many balance problems otherwise.

[terse token]

the reason most people are complaining is because if they miss a headshot with a sniper and the other medic using a sniper heals the body shot they will get mad because they arent skilled enough to kill that medic