battlefield-labs-discussion

[manic gate]

Only one studio seems to be working on the BR I think, most other resources are on the core MP and campaign

[sterile wave]

Correct

[radiant heath]

its still stuff like executive decisionmaking and asset sharing, additional testing, but you're right

[stark leaf]

No more Labs bois?

[quartz iris]

If the br mode is executed correctly it will be soo coool

I am soo hyped this game could be the best game in the series

[stark leaf]

I hope Portal will be good too!

[brazen tinsel]

Labs will still be around as a test environment for BF6

Even after the beta it'll still be on and potentially a CTE for bf6 updates and changes

I don't see labs going anywhere near the drain it's way too ambitious of a project for only a few months till bf6 reveal

[winged radish]

i thought no health bar and ammo reload the whole mag health a player needs them to heal them squads etc even the Hud i did on portal try

[glad trench]

people spamming "remember don't preorder" should have their system hardware banned from the game. Not like EA/DICE is losing any sales from them

[winged radish]

fine ill call

[round mango]

I mean battlefield labs been going on for like 4 or 5 months already? Its just closed to like 75k people not open.

[brazen tinsel]

from the way they've worded it, it's probably gonna be much more than a hype builder and leak source till bf6 reveal

[verbal crypt]

We shouldn’t pre order tho lol 😭

[round mango]

I mean its just a closed alpha test set up they gathering feedback from and testing server capacity, spawns, weapon balance, new or old mechanics etc

[fair summit]

Why would your messed up mind think of something like that? I pre ordered 42 and wish I never did

[plucky osprey]

Why?

[fair summit]

Don't pre order people

[round mango]

Last i heard they are accepting more applications for Battlefield Labs now to test sever overflow performance and stuff, but I still never got invited lol. They had well over 5 million applications submitted for it and only took 75k to start and now adding another 75k

[verbal crypt]

I’m gonna pre order 1000 copies that’s how much trust I have in DICE

[round mango]

Hell yeah bruther, send me a link

[lilac sentinel]

do not pre - order

[round mango]

Always pre order. Or you'll miss out

[glad trench]

not saying we should but the people who say it are actual roomtemp humans

[round mango]

What if you dont pre order bf6, and the game ends up being good, and supplies for digital downloads is limited and you dont get a copy and cant play!!!!

[glad trench]

we're on the verge of a beta, who cares

[verbal crypt]

Lmfao

[round mango]

L0000000L

[verbal crypt]

Fair lol

[glad trench]

pre order for the 3 day early access. So I can learn the maps and farm scrubs on launch day

[round mango]

Tbh the 3 day early launch on bf2042 had zero bugs for me

Then when full launch day hit, was hellah glitchy and crashy with servers overflowing lol and then i couldn't play

[fair summit]

🤣 🤣

[round mango]

They gunna make bf6 codes like bitcoin, limited supply of downloads to create rarity and increase profits

[proud pawn]

same but i stopped playing once they took the xp away from the portal servers that were run by communities

[glad trench]

tryna start a BF shitcoin with me?

[verbal crypt]

Can’t wait to hit a triple bunny hop dolphin dive day one

To immediately see all chat say “report skeezy cheats”

[glad trench]

PC players don't complain about movement nearly as much

it's all the sub 1 KD console players that play at 65 FOV who think this game is milsim adjacent

[verbal crypt]

65 FOV console dozer mains vs PC MacKay probably does look like speed hacks lmao

[proven sand]

why cant i get to the page that shows every avaible playtest

[glad trench]

Imagine how fast a Sundance flies across their screen lmao

[verbal crypt]

Shit looks super sonic lol

[glad trench]

like a falcon plucking a mouse from the ground

[verbal crypt]

Lmfao

[round mango]

Sure

[calm frigate]

I used to be a huge pkp/bizon+sundance player back at the start of 2042

was STUPID fun

pkp+the RoF mag specifically, idk if mag but whatever it was that increased the base rof, haven't played 2042 in awhile

[cinder phoenix]

Remember no preorders

[cedar flax]

i will

my money, pre-ordering instant

[kindred cargo]

People who preorder are literally gamblers

[topaz folio]

And moan constantly if it turns out shit

[stuck dock]

Just because you said that i will buy 3 copies of the big edition as soon as its available.

[topaz folio]

The big edition 😅, you even played Battlefield?

[kindred cargo]

Even worse, usually they try to justify it, which is way more pathetic

[stuck dock]

i mean, big edition, deluxe edition, call it whatever ye want. The most expensive one~

[proud pawn]

rip ozzy

[cinder phoenix]

I hope soo. I will be very happy when I remember your 3 copies after release

[lament silo]

Enjoy constant persistence data issues I guess lol, you’ll totally be doing so much “farming”

[lament silo]

People when the game franchise that used to market itself on its themes and had more grounded, milsim adjacent gameplay mechanics attracts people who want it to stay that way

BF randomly switching between Roman numerals and normal numbers would be so weird lmao, BFV isn’t even technically “Battlefield 5”, it’s a reference to that V for victory thing

[glad trench]

Market itself on grounded milsim adjacent gameplay

It’s been a run and gun arcade shooter since the beginning

Yup PlayStation player, “milsim adjacent” tracks

[lament silo]

It’s definitely been a sandbox shooter but before you think you know what you’re talking about, let’s check out Battlefield 3s description on several store pages:

“In Battlefield 3, players step into the role of the elite U.S. Marines. As the first boots on the ground, players will experience heart-pounding missions across diverse locations including Paris, Tehran and New York. As a U.S. Marine in the field, periods of tension and anticipation are punctuated by moments of complete chaos. As bullets whiz by, as walls crumble, as explosions force players to the ground, the battlefield feels more alive and interactive than ever before.”

Plus, ya know, the entire suppression mechanic

Kinda walked right into that one my dude

[glad trench]

https://youtu.be/E2S0G16IPOI

[lament silo]

Nice link buddy

[glad trench]

2007 - “run and gun” from one of the founding devs

But again, another 65 FOV playing console scrub that thinks this is a slow, milsim adjacent game

[lament silo]

65 FOV? I’d rather watch paint dry

[glad trench]

And not a run and gun shooter with an authentic setting

[lament silo]

That’s exactly what it is lol I’m agreeing with you. But I don’t know why you’re surprised that people want an emphasis on good balancing but also good themes like they’re mutually exclusive. BF has never been the franchise for “movement”

[glad trench]

Also how does any of this describe a milsim adjacent shooter? It’s just a description of the setting

It’s concerning how console player literally do not understand wtf a milsim is

[lament silo]

Battlefield has obviously always liked to play slightly more into milsim adjacent themes and balancing over CoD which was its only real competition for the longest time, it’s obviously still an arcade shooter though

Like the og class system is obviously trying to replicate how real squads work irl with dedicated snipers and all that, the og suppression system tried to replicate what being shot at would actually kinda be like, so on so forth

[radiant heath]

gotta remember that until COD4, create a class didn't even exist in shooters. so if anything Battlefields continuance of a more restrictive system was less an original Battlefield identity that came from a milsim theme, and moreso a choice to make games more similar to every other shooter at the time

its definitely more grounded than COD, but I'd rather them focus on an immersive experience than a milsim one, which I think they do well

[lament silo]

TBF battlefield classes are very different from COD create a class, the way weapon restrictions worked, character models, gadgets, etc, but yeah that’s a good point

[radiant heath]

oh yeah, they're more similar to all the other games before COD came and changed things

[glad trench]

Realistic setting do not play into “milsim themes”. Milsim is gameplay functionality, not aesthetic settings

[glad trench]

No class systems were just a normal shooter thing back in the early 2000s, nothing to do with milsim adjacency

[minor linden]

Imo BF has always been more "authentic" than actually realistic

[glad trench]

wtf is this? COD created build-a-class in shooters?

[minor linden]

It attempts to make itself feel immersive and authentic while having more arcadey gameplay features

[lament silo]

Although I think suppression is a good example of how BF used to play more into milsimmy elements

[radiant heath]

i guess to be more accurate, until that game it wasn't a system that existed in popular multiplayer shooter games. you could select classes, but not create them to the level that that game brought to the industry

[lament silo]

Then I’d be arguing with you all day trying to establish the idea that some of BFs gameplay design might be inspired by more realistic, what we know today as milsimmy elements, if that’s just how you refuse to see it

But I don’t want BF to be a milsimmy game either (although I’m ngl I wouldn’t protest the idea), obviously they should focus on arcadey but immersive themes and games

[glad trench]

Suppression in BF3 was not milsimmy. Milsims don’t have your bullets shoot at 45° when getting shot

[tepid plinth]

The specific implementation isn’t the same but it’s definitely inspired by

[lament silo]

Point is it existed honestly solely because “it’s realistic”, whereas defending it for that reason today has people say to you “go play arma bro”

[pulsar shard]

agree

[radiant heath]

the "go play arma" thing is so funny lol

actually do go play arma because its better than most shooters out right now, and you'll probably end up wishing most other shooters had things that game series has

[tepid plinth]

It’s either that or cod

Both just feel like conversation enders

[lament silo]

I’d rather learn how to play a milsim than keep putting up with the BS EA and Activision put out

Squad casually adding entire factions to the game every few months

[radiant heath]

Its dope, having a skill gap

[glad trench]

Immersion doesn’t always equal realism and realism doesn’t always equal milsim.

Suppression was a feature based on real life tactics added for an attempt at more arcadey immersion

Pretending that this game has have been milsim adjacent really does lend itself to the saying, go play a fucking milsim to either learn what milsim mechanics are or find a new home

[glad trench]

No it’s not. It’s in the same place within the broader shooter market as it was 10 years ago

[radiant heath]

lmao

i think that says more about the last ten years of shooters than it does about arma

[lament silo]

Milsim Major right here guys

[weak obsidian]

milsim is more of a pacing/game structure thing imo

[tepid plinth]

Arma 4 when

[weak obsidian]

and battlefield is pretty far removed from that

[lament silo]

I think it’s pretty evident how (most) of the Battlefield community prefers immersive, milsimmy adjacent (in the loosest terms obviously) games, BF4 and 1 are the most popular games in the franchise for a reason, and we’ve only been on continual decline since V with the franchise

[weak obsidian]

2027 💀

[weak obsidian]

they're not liked for their "milsimmy" stuff

[tepid plinth]

It is. In regards to gunplay it’s essentially how you design the system to dissuade reactive play. Most games in that genre you can clearly see make it more pre-emptive than reactive

[lament silo]

They’re liked for their themes, which at this point you get accused of being someone who “wants battlefield to be a milsim” for wanting

[weak obsidian]

that's like immersion which DICE have been doing since 3

[timid kelp]

authentic is the word you guys are looking foor

[nimble bridge]

BFV was the most milsimmy BF since 2142

[timid kelp]

authentic theme

[lament silo]

How do you become immersed into a setting if it’s not inspired by realistic or authentic themes and gameplay choices

[weak obsidian]

good sound and visual design

[lament silo]

Hence V yes was the most milsimmy BF game we’ve had in a while but it kinda unravels itself for other reasons

[radiant heath]

the spiderman games are immersive

[tepid plinth]

By creating a ruleset that the game’s universe sticks to, that you can shift your mental state into considering real

[weak obsidian]

V plays infinitely better than 1 it's crazy...

[timid kelp]

bf5 was not authentic at all

[lament silo]

I’ll agree to disagree

[tepid plinth]

Realism just makes it easier to bridge that gap

[lament silo]

Which, at least for me, stuff like suppression and the og classes helps support, that bridge to considering something real. But at this point I’m repeating myself

[lament silo]

Agree

[radiant heath]

BFV turned out to be a really great game after they spent the time to support it. I hope this new one gets great DLC like that one did

[tepid plinth]

Yeah I get you, and that’s fair. People take their understanding of reality as a basis for what rules fictional universes should follow, if those rules are broken (which can be as simple as an in game character not behaving as you’d expect in-scenario), the care for that world can shatter

[cedar swan]

Speaking of OG classes I really don't care for how Support & Assault function now

Support being a supplier and a medic feels weird, assault feels weird being the "lone wolf" class since Recon already covered that role over a decade ago

[tepid plinth]

And stuff like supression works to strengthen that bond because we intrinsically know that being shot at is scary, the system brings out that emotion to a degree

[lament silo]

This is an infinitely better way to explain it than I could conceive god bless you bro

[lament silo]

100% agreed

[tepid plinth]

But I firmly believe that anyone can shift their mindset to take a fictional world as base and make it immersive that way.

Case in point - silent hill, stalker. You fight zombies, mutants, psychological horrors which aren’t realistic, yet they are all considered immersive.

Cause people don’t look at mutants in stalker and say ‘that isn’t right’. Mutants become the rule, and so you can for lack of a better term, suspend your disbelief and make that fiction your own

[radiant heath]

HARD agree. I loved the BF1 class system, having a well-rounded squad made each individual member pretty much unstoppable. But if you didn't have teammates contributing to the squad actively, it was a lot harder to steamroll

[lament silo]

If anything I remember assault being super curtailed by how it had powerful gadgets but had to hover near supports to get ammo for guns and gadgets. And support killing off medic might incentivize lone wolf playing especially if weapons remain unlocked

[cedar swan]

Exactly! And Battlefield is meant to be a team game and always has been, giving Support ammo & healing goes against that imo

[weak obsidian]

that's why we need 5 classes...

[nimble bridge]

Assault and support seperation could've been good if they didn't remove assault's medpen

Now no reason to play as assault, everyone will use support for infinite self heal and ammo

[glad trench]

The same way I can get immersed into a game like the Witcher?

[cedar swan]

I hate to be that guy but that's one reason I preferred the old class roles, they worked fine and shoving two burdens onto one class while removing the burden from one doesn't make sense

[tepid plinth]

It’s a topic I’ve been discussing with friends, randoms and even uni lecturers for a long, long while… it’s a complicated topic

[lament silo]

Eh that and the spider man example are different. They’re totally fictional scenarios, I can easily understand how you can become immersed into that with basic world building. But FPS games set in real world inspired locations with real world people, guns, vehicles, etc?

[cedar swan]

Honestly if assault returned to being a medic having a med pen would be sick, aggressive medic is like my second favorite play style

[lament silo]

The only advantage will probably be anti tank/aircraft gadgets but good luck finding a support to resupply them from

[glad trench]

It’s called suspension of disbelief, BF is set in a fictional world as well, inspired by the real world.

Just like Spider-Man, just like Witcher

BF1 was super immersive, not a single thing played out like actual WW1 trench warfare

[nimble bridge]

Nah, ever since BF4 they decided to stray away from assault medic meta. When most people plays as one class while ignoring others it's an issue. BF1 and BFV's assault and medics were seperated because of that, assault was engineer. 2042 has a nice balance imo besides specialists. Assault is lone wolf. Support is healing and giving ammo. BF6 system was going to be good too if they didn't remove assault's medpen

[lament silo]

Don’t hate to be that guy

I’ve been long vocally supportive of the OG classes. No reason to reinvent the wheel

[nimble bridge]

Issue with BF3-4 system is many people were ignoring other players while they were playing as medic, half the medics don't even have defibs in those games. They have launchers instead. Dedicated medic and dedicated assault is better.

[glad trench]

The OG classes are from 1942/BF2

[radiant heath]

Medpen would be cool if it was single use, could only be resupplied from supply stations (basically what BFV did with the medpack), but giving an assault character an infinite use health stim makes medics completely useless

[glad trench]

BC2/BF3/4 reinvented the wheel by smushing a bunch of them together

[nimble bridge]

Support can still heal recon and engineers

[glad trench]

And created problems like recons gadgets outside of beacon not meshing with the “sniper” gameplay

[lament silo]

Convo isn’t really going anywhere but I’ll just say this: suspension of disbelief absolutely. I’m not expecting BF to get every little detail right either. But it also helps to have gameplay elements inspired by realistic or immersive design choices which some today would consider “milsimmy”

[nimble bridge]

Support and engineers are more symbiotic than ever in BF6 in fact, they give both ammo and heal to them

[glad trench]

Assault-Medic being the overwhelming class choice

[cedar swan]

You left out that assault in bf4 had access to some of the best guns in the game which heavily contributed to people not playing their role correctly, if we're gonna have open weapons Recon would work just fine as a lone wolf and people could easily have access to the weapons they want

[nimble bridge]

Assault had best guns and best gadgets which is why they are seperated after 4

[lament silo]

The latter which you mentioned is what I started with so idk, it’s just been the BC2/3/4 way for so long so I prefer that

[glad trench]

Recon has been lone wolf since they merged sniper and special forces from BF2

2042 recon was able to put in actual team play work for a change

[radiant heath]

i don't really care for assault being incentivized to be a "lone wolf" either. Sure you can do it, but you're infinitely better with your squad in a well-balanced system. Giving them a medic in their pocket is directly counter to that philosophy in a way I don't think makes the game better at all

[mint cobalt]

Can’t wait to see what BF6, all I can say to them is Just don’t fuck it up

I repeated it again

Don’t Fuck It Up

[glad trench]

A single use medpen that has to be resupplied by a med box doesn’t counter that philosophy.

DICE for whatever reason decided to test it with a fast recharge rate instead of single use in the playtest

[radiant heath]

wholeheartedly agree. its the recharge i had an issue with, not the ability to heal

if anything, giving your tip of the spear role a single use health pen is good design to keep a character fighting just a lil longer, but not infinitely

[tepid plinth]

It makes sense with the philosophy of get in, clear areas, come back. Recharge kind of got rid of that need to come back outside of ammo, but the pen helps

I’m still going to push to give the assault a med box and see how it plays

[radiant heath]

i can see the reasoning behind this too, despite disagreement

[tepid plinth]

Just seems logical to me

Have everyone else move up alongside them, so other people in the team see their value

They do have value at the moment but to offset the open weapons you’d need rather egregious gadgets and strong perks to compensate

Which is my biggest gripe with open now anyway

[glad trench]

Make grenade launchers great again

[tepid plinth]

But not too great

[glad trench]

I want preseason launch month to be the noob tube month

[radiant heath]

This is a good point. In a weapons restricted scenario, I kinda think that Assault having the best weapons makes up for this. But if they're unrestricted it's an entirely different set of balance requirements

[tepid plinth]

yup

zain is busted and he needed to be for people to not just pick falck ammo box

[glad trench]

Shush

People still don’t pick him

[inland glacier]

Thought so too but guess we’ll see in the beta

[tepid plinth]

-# Dice please don't ever tutorialise the airburst

[glad trench]

As of last playtest one of the support perks buffs the airburst/mortar

More ammo and quicker resupply

[tepid plinth]

I wish they weren’t here but oh well

[weak obsidian]

welcome back BF1 mortar spam

[tepid plinth]

I pray they have the same functionality as the tank mortars

If it’s just clicking on maps that would be rough

[weak obsidian]

yeah they should require more skill to use

[glad trench]

tbf the same labs build had a perk that gave assaults an extra "med pen" despite the med pen turning into the stim

[inland glacier]

Wasn’t the mortar apart of the training perks before

Wouldn’t that make it less spammable

[glad trench]

in the first builds recon had an artillery strike as their level 3 call-in

[inland glacier]

For recon

[glad trench]

but support has a mortar gadget

[glad trench]

looks like 1BF datamined a potential release date within the game files

[crimson moss]

nah lol

[weak obsidian]

everything be releasing in October

[crimson moss]

assault is the only role that has a very infantry farm heavy loadout

thats the entire point of the class

[glad trench]

always has been

[weak obsidian]

the 2042 delay ...

[nimble bridge]

2042 assault was more balanced than BF4 assault

[glad trench]

I meant Oct being release date-palozaa for gaming in general

[weak obsidian]

it's like the default month for Q4 releases

ngl I thought it was gonna be November or December

[nimble bridge]

Leaks were crazy for BF6 tbh, regardless of release date, we saw gameplay before title reveal, we saw beta announcement before title reveal, we see release date leaks before announcement trailer

[weak obsidian]

bless our dataminers

[nimble bridge]

Even EA didn't care and announced open beta before reveal

[glad trench]

bless chinese playtesters and their disdain for NDAs and american intellectual property

[weak obsidian]

🫡 🇨🇳

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-social-credit-score-meme-john-xina-gif-23649557

[ebon beacon]

Hell they are even livestreaming it like it's nothing 😭

[grim jewel]

lol

[desert kelp]

They have their own fair use laws which ramp up the fairness (communism) which is why everything can be public

[weak obsidian]

beast mode

[static canopy]

Game releasing in oct it seems

[nimble bridge]

🤫

[static canopy]

Hope we are getting server browser bcoz I'm not buying for manipulated matchmaking again

Hated it in cod and then marvel rivals

[nimble bridge]

David from BF Labs said long ago we won't be getting SBMM

So I would like to trust his word on it

SBMM would destroy Battlefield formula as can be seen in Delta Force

[static canopy]

they wont call it SBMM for sure but there will be something for player retension

thats why i badly want server browser like previous titles to join any match any time

[static canopy]

ohh man i had to uninstall after few matches

it was sweaty af for me lol bo6 trauma

[nimble bridge]

2042 has no SBMM so even with matchmaking if we are getting 2042 system I would be fine with that

[static canopy]

i was referring to delta

[nimble bridge]

Oh okay lol

[static canopy]

server browser is core feature of battlefield titles, especially for community servers in the future

[nimble bridge]

I don't think we will get a server browser tbh

[glad trench]

nah I believe it'll be like BFV. Quick play matchmaking front and center but a click or two and you're in the server browser

[weak obsidian]

I hope Portal is the server browser replacement

[nimble bridge]

I doubt they will give us a portal that allows us to search for official servers

[normal skiff]

tbh good. means community servers can take center stage cause if you want official you just... queue up in mm

[nimble bridge]

Have you seen portal? It's unplayable

[normal skiff]

not lately cause idrc

[nimble bridge]

It has 2 types of servers:

• 4vs128 bot farm servers
• 1000% damage, no bullet drop, Afghanistan/Ukraine milisim servers

[normal skiff]

well thats what the community seems to want

thats what they make, so either you gotta set up your own, or well... theres always mm which is quite literally the default experience that most folks opt for anyways

if you want something specific you quite literally have the tools to make it so within portal

[narrow basalt]

Isnt delta force alive?

[nimble bridge]

It is but unplayable due to matchmaking

[deft basalt]

And lets not forget the Zombies servers lol

[feral gale]

real BF fans played BF 2142 ong

[marble junco]

Has any dev talked about skins and the like? If i see Niki Minaji running around I'm out

At least give me the option to not see them on my screen

[cedar flax]

This isnt cod lol

[marble junco]

It could become like it, who knows. Also, 2042 didn't have Niki Minaji but it was bad as well.

[cedar flax]

Isnt that bad now though, playable

[narrow basalt]

Cant wait to see how you guys fuck up the next battlefield, looking forward to the days to come

[cedar flax]

How??

[feral gale]

bro chose violence and didnt say anything back

[indigo pebble]

who nutted in your cornflakes thismorning?

[cedar swan]

Some people here actually like that

[indigo pebble]

seems it instead of crunchy nut they like lumpy nutt

[cedar swan]

💀

[manic gate]

Pete Parsons? Don't you have a company to manage.. I mean a vintage car collection to grow?

[misty anvil]

Question 1: What Is Battlefield 6?
Question 2: What All Previous Maps Is In Battlefield 6?
Question 3: Is Battlefield 6 Single Player/Story Mode?

[weak obsidian]

Battlefield 6 is a game

[sharp prawn]

Battlefield 6 is battlefield

[tepid plinth]

Next game
Don’t know if it has remade maps
It has a campaign

[stuck dock]

Operation Firestorm is pretty much confirmed returning as far as i knows

[feral garden]

Nothing is confirmed.

[winter viper]

Nothing is confirmed

[winter viper]

Proof people who are casual BF players can't read

[tepid plinth]

Nothing is true

Everything is permitted

[narrow basalt]

Battlefield 6 is cod modern warfare 2019

[pulsar shard]

True

[sharp dew]

False, it's actually just Purble Place.

[minor linden]

Technically, nothing is confirmed until tomorrow. Everything from labs is unfinished

[glad trench]

2042 skins weren’t bad and fit that game

[mossy marten]

well... most of them lol

Lava skin mckay and whoever the other one was, was...... an interesting choice

[weak obsidian]

the animated skins were kinda bleh

[odd rose]

If they add skins they need to add a toggle to disable cosmetics for people who don't want to look at that junk

[mossy marten]

that ain't gonna happen lmao
ever

[kindred haven]

they better

cod community mabye accepts that but bf community wont

[weak obsidian]

yeah right

lmao

[tough zinc]

Just stick to a military setting

Easy, no need to have animated skins, pink unicorns, golden skulls and bs like that

[balmy plinth]

told y'all 🙂

[kindred haven]

he told us

[nimble bridge]

They will never add an option like that, what people should ask for is ''authentic skins'' option. You won't see Dino Mackay skins but you will I dunno, that administator skin for Mackay.

[balmy plinth]

https://gamefragger.com/multiplatform/first-person-shooter/battlefield-5/new-leaks-reveal-battlefield-6-could-launch-on-october-10th-a27647

100 million players on launch

they're calling the game "too big to fail"

[odd rose]

I would be fine with "authentic" skins if they didn't always become the slippery slope into beevis and butthead

[balmy plinth]

Don't worry, they'll only add the stupid skins halfway into season 2 battlepass so everyone is already invested in playing the game

[odd rose]

Lol true

[balmy plinth]

Rest assured, I will pay $120 for the "Phantom Edition" that has useless cosmetics and I will play at least 500 hours

[kindred haven]

part of the issue and is proud is crazy, delusional, maybe therapy

[balmy plinth]

BF2042 had to be shit so that more people would want to play the next one

[glad trench]

Why are you still here? Didn’t you write a paragraph about how this game is cooked and you’re leaving the series?

[glad trench]

I mean that’s almost every animated skin in every game. Never look good

[weak obsidian]

I hope they have enough restraint to not go for these

[kindred haven]

i know this is not something you know

[kindred haven]

its called when you are pationate but critical because you want the best for the game

fanboys cannot comprehend this

[golden vortex]

Replace critical with sceptical for a balanced approach

[kindred haven]

me who played the bf labs: 🥀

but thanks for the input

[golden vortex]

Dont break your NDA. Just silly at this point.

[kindred haven]

i didnt 🗣️

[weak obsidian]

bro onto nothing 💔

[kindred haven]

fr

[faint sandal]

I hope the sound design of the new game will be good. I want to hear the enemy's footsteps well.

[topaz folio]

This is the worry, never played it but that 2042 rip off said the same when it first but I've noticed it got shite in it now

[glad trench]

Nah you’re just a doomer who posts blatantly wrong shit then tries to claim they played the labs

But hide behind the “I’m passionate about the game” vibe tho

[deep epoch]

The campaign is gonna be og mw3 but instead of Russia it's pax

[pine plank]

Hello admins. The game is expected to be finished well, and listening to its loyal players, this new Battlefield is its salvation. If it doesn't turn out as expected, it'll be the end.

[dire sable]

pax is a coalition so russia is not the only enemy

[deep epoch]

True

[dire sable]

I hope italy is in pax

[deep epoch]

ME TOO BRO

Would be sooo cool

[dire sable]

pax armata is latin and maybe its some mussolini guy trying to restore rome

[deep epoch]

It would be cool to see honestly battlefield where it's not always "America good everyone else bad" but I ain't complaining

[dire sable]

fr america good russia bad is boring lol

[deep epoch]

Yeah, exactly. I would love to see a EU Vs USA due to USA or EU betraying eachother

[latent laurel]

lmao EU countries vs EU countires.

[spice bramble]

EU gonna fight each other soon

[deep epoch]

Bro scrap the game add operators back and don't forget about the robot dogs

[spice bramble]

Probably with eco friendly tanks and all that

[deep epoch]

Lmao

[cedar swan]

An actual interesting setting for a modern setting FPS

[deep epoch]

Yeah USA Vs Russia gets real boring.

[autumn adder]

lol who cares about the lore

[deep epoch]

Me

[cedar swan]

Me aswell

[autumn adder]

just use whatever cool real locations you want for maps

[dire sable]

its getting a story mode so me too

i hope brasil gets a map

[manic gate]

people want a believable narrative and setting. It helps sell the overal 'experience'

[spice bramble]

I can't believe I'm seeing people say Russia attacking NATO is more probable, especially after Ukraine 😭 😭 😭

[autumn adder]

I guess for singleplayer

[deep epoch]

Fr

[cedar swan]

I mean it's cool if you don't care for the lore, just don't expect it to be a mutual feeling among everyone

[deep epoch]

Lore definitely matters,it gives the entire game purpose

[manic gate]

Why else do you think people rave on about BF1. I didn't like that game much in general but it nailed setting the tone and brutality of ww1 as well as having multiple factions, not just uk vs germany fighting across Europe

[deep epoch]

Yeah

[cedar swan]

The WW2 setting is so over done it's not even funny

[deep epoch]

Would be cool if we got 1 or 2 non EU countries in it too besides USA

[cedar swan]

BF1 was such a breath of fresh air

[dire sable]

maybe whole nation seasons

[deep epoch]

Just to throw bfv and 2042 in your face

[autumn adder]

that was a great setting, but yeah setting and lore are different

[cedar swan]

They can go hand & hand and often do

[deep epoch]

Yeah but lore explains why you are in that setting

[manic gate]

yeah I want the MEC back. Basically a coalition of middle Eastern nations. That would be a cool way to have maps set there instead of US vs other faction but desert.

[dire sable]

with a good lore u feel more connected

[autumn adder]

I get you, just I think ultimately it doesnt matter as long as the game is good anyway

[deep epoch]

Yeaaah

[spice bramble]

Middle Eastern countries don't exactly have great militaries, besides Iran and Saudi maybe

[manic gate]

I certainly hope they will do something like that in season 3 or something

[manic gate]

yeah ik, that's why I said make them a coalition. Like in BF2

[spice bramble]

Even as a coalition...

Iran's a paper tiger and Saudi can barely stand against Yemen so

[deep epoch]

They could be put as guerrilas, I think that's always really cool to see

[manic gate]

Because every other BF game other than 2042 has had multiple factions added across post-launch . Idk why people barely talk raise an issue on this.

[deep epoch]

Like bc2

[manic gate]

😭 bro it's a game. France of all nations leaving Nato makes no sense irl

[deep epoch]

Fair

[dire sable]

isnt there a pattern if france italy and spain leaves nato

[cedar swan]

I hope 6 has a good amount of maps in europe, too many european nations have such cool architecture it would be a shame to miss out on seeing it in game

[deep epoch]

We only have 1 so far, Right?

[manic gate]

agreed. Good mix of maps across every continent

[cedar swan]

Only thing I know about the maps is two of them take place in NYC so I have no idea

[spice bramble]

I just see people saying Pax makes no sense, I'm saying the same about MEC. I don't care either way though

[manic gate]

Well the teaser confirmed 1 in Gibraltar too

[nimble bridge]

Turkey, but will probably lumped in NATO. Egypt is also 19th on globalfirepower.

[deep epoch]

Gibraltar in Europe, one in Egypt, one in Azerbaijan? Or am I mixed up?

[dire sable]

so one ine belgium and georgia too ?

[deep epoch]

Wait oh yeah there most likely is going to be a map in Belgium!

[spice bramble]

I forgot about Egypt

[deep epoch]

The Egypt map is my favourite so far

[dire sable]

I think georgia map can be rly cool

[deep epoch]

Yeah

I want a forest map in Finland

[spice bramble]

Those might just be campaign locations, not multiplayer

[cedar swan]

No clue but Gibraltar sounds like a great location, Venice would be sick but I don't think we're getting that

[deep epoch]

Possibly

[deep epoch]

Visited recently I was quite literally thinking it would be a great map for bf6

[dire sable]

😂

[deep epoch]

Very cqb

[spice bramble]

Prague would be cool as fuck

[dire sable]

Maybe when they add boats and stuff

[cedar swan]

That is the most gamer thing I've heard in awhile 😂 I'm guilty of that too when I visited Boston

[deep epoch]

Bro it's all I do

[manic gate]

We saw Gibraltar in the very first teaser for the game like a year ago. Very likely a MP map too

[magic garden]

Are the testing launchers useless now? Kinda been waiting for everything to end before i delete it

[tepid plinth]

They’ll most likely make it very clear when testing is done

[magic garden]

Hopefully

I thought it was already over since theres a bf6 channel now ngl

[tepid plinth]

They wouldn’t leave labs sign ups on if testing wasn’t going on so they’d say when that closes

[manic gate]

I mean I think BF labs will continue into the game's life. Just like the bf4/1 ctes

[magic garden]

That would be kinda cool to have a dedicated test build for future testing ngl ik sony is stingy with it so kinda a w we already have it on ps

[tepid plinth]

The channel was hidden for me lmao

Let’s see what’s going on over there

[manic gate]

Why end it before the game launches, it's a good way to get balanced feedback quickly and implement it in the final product

[dire sable]

maybe they do some closed beta stuff with it

[manic gate]

BF6 channel? It's brainrot

[glad trench]

We saw one of the Gibraltar maps in leaked labs gameplay and data mining shows a second

Supposedly in some old WW2 tunnels under Gibraltar… so welcome back metro/operation underground

[weak obsidian]

Fort Vaux!

[whole dust]

some takes in this teaser reminds me of Zavod 311...

[limpid sluice]

What if Peter Thiel will be the campaign villain

[feral garden]

What if Peter Parker.

[manic gate]

just cast kevin spacey

https://tenor.com/view/essp-galahad-slumber-party-advanced-warfare-cod-gif-25200193

[long trail]

any news about locked weaopns?

[verbal crypt]

Fuck grapple hooks give me web sling in Bf6

[feral garden]

https://x.com/Battlefield/status/1947310614411616383

Battlefield (@Battlefield)

Open Weapons vs Closed Weapons

Why not both?

Starting at Open Beta players can choose official playlists with Signature Weapons locked to class, or not.

More to come.

X · Jul 21, 2025, 3:00 PM

[radiant heath]

some twitter posts suggesting weapon restrictions in the full release, but that's unconfirmed

i really hope they do persistent battle passes

the whole trend of fomo as a marketing tool sucks

[tepid plinth]

Can’t get fomo if you don’t care about the pass content 😎

[minor linden]

Yeah. We probably won't know which one they will add to the final game until after the open beta

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-bolt-dancing-joy-cheer-happy-gif-26495619

How it feels to not give a damn about live service fomo

[nimble bridge]

Agreed, I would've bought season 5 BP if I was playing back in S5

But I wasn't playing it so I can't buy it 🤷

[crisp marsh]

Hey dudes

[ebon beacon]

regardles of what get picked, the complaints will be loud

[minor linden]

If Locked gets picked:
"WhY ArE YoU LiMiTiNg PlAyEr ChOiCe!?"

If Unlocked gets picked:
"WhY ArE YoU ThRoWiNg AwAy CoRe AsPeCtS oF BaTTleFiEld!?"

[ebon beacon]

yea pretty much

[manic gate]

As they say..

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-duh-sassy-dont-care-lol-gif-15940836133540143808

[rugged seal]

I havent seen nearly as many die hard unlocked supporters as locked ones

Including myself, most dont seem to care what they do

[manic gate]

I think because alot of them are like "eh doesn't matter much to me"

What does matter to me is overal class synergy, I don't want to see systems like launch 2042 where you can do and handle everything mostly on your own

launch mackay with basically infinite sprint with the grappler

[timid needle]

optional in game purchases... boo!

[glad trench]

free post launch maps, vehicles, weapons... wooo!!!!

[nimble bridge]

I want SMGs to be useful in TDM/Locker instead of them having total 5% pick rate due to them being tied to a class that's useless in game modes like that 🤷

[minor linden]

That's part of the balancing though? You get a better close-range weapon in exchange for worse gadgets

Though, there are also uses for engineer's gadgets even without vehicles. For example, things like the RPG are good for direct-fire splash damage

[nimble bridge]

Or people will use whatever's the most SMG-like AR or Carbine and ignore SMG class altogether, people chooses their class before their weapons

[minor linden]

I personally don't see an issue with that. In your system, Engineer will get ignored anyways cause, as you said, its gadgets aren't fit for that type of map. You may as well add a reason to play engineer instead of supporting having a 1% engineer pick rate on cqc maps

[tepid plinth]

to be frank, engineer for me has always been a flex pick

too many vehicles to fight? Switch. All vehicles dealt with? Switch back

Harder ever just play engineer off the bat

[nimble bridge]

Because engineers are useless on CQC maps, those people would contribute to nothing as an engineer in those maps, in fact it would make the game worse since they have neither heals of support nor the sustainability of assault

[minor linden]

They would contribute to cqc battles and add longer-rage splash damage to choke points instead of just throwing grenades that will only hurt the pushers

Every class can be used on every type of map if you think about it hard enough

[nimble bridge]

Giving high splash damage to rockets would make the game worse that's why DICE doesn't do it

Also at this point what's the point of SMG when you are using engineer for the gadget?

[minor linden]

I'm not advocating for high splash damage? Even low splash damage will make people want to move away from where they were camping

[nimble bridge]

Not really, I play BF4 and 2042 recently, rarely see rocket spam like that in Locker/Redacted

[minor linden]

PC servers must be different from PS servers. Every time I see a choke point it's like the 4th of July

[nimble bridge]

Most BF4 servers also banned explosives, which makes engineer even more useless

Even in servers with explosives it's better to use airburst with support or assault with bouncing grenades

[manic gate]

live service is like a word that activates their minds to hate, like some sleeper agent activation word

[glad trench]

they act like "live service" hasn't been a thing in online games for 20+ years

like baby girl, MMOs been doin this

[cursive ridge]

But, to be fair, MMOs have better quality live service updates.

[glad trench]

I mean some of those WoW content droughts…

14 months between the last patch and new expansion has happened

[delicate frigate]

Guys, what's the possible lore of the new Battlefield? Is it set in the same world as 4 and 3? Is it set between 2042, or is it a Battlefield with its own world, unrelated to the others?

[rugged seal]

probably just something new

[glad trench]

BF4 and 2042 were from the same timeline so they’ll probably slam this between them

But also… who pays attention to battlefield lore lol

[delicate frigate]

Does BF3 have any ties to BF4? To me, BF3, B4, and 2042 are from the same worlds at different times.

[glad trench]

BF3 and BF4 campaign share characters so… ya

[weak obsidian]

it's also weird they've been pushing a shared universe ting without any compelling characters or worldbuilding

[delicate frigate]

Ah, I always value the lore of any game.

[glad trench]

Also #battlefield-6 is talking about this. So I’d hop in there

I doubt most in here care about that stuff so you’re not gonna get much discourse

[glad trench]

Can’t play MP without being invested in the world man…

[weak obsidian]

I really want to be immersed!

[delicate frigate]

There comes a time in life when playing online games makes you feel like you're wasting your time. Then, it's almost noticeable that you start to value single-player campaigns where you're fulfilling a kind of "purpose." Different from online games. But why complain? It's Battlefield.

[glad trench]

How am I supposed to frag without understanding the background of Baravia and Jarhanpur

[glad trench]

The single player campaigns I value aren’t in BF lol

[rugged seal]

also remove slowmode here please

[delicate frigate]

I have to agree.

[glad trench]

Ya with #battlefield-6 being a thing, remove slow mode please

[rugged seal]

no admin on rn will see this so next time ganslinger is active would be the best time to ask tbh

[weary heart]

I don’t know but I think the explosions from Battlefield 4 were the best out of every game in the Franchise

[muted pollen]

maybe open beta get announced too tomorrow? 👀

[radiant heath]

one of my buddies said august 4th, and he's an unreliable source

[muted pollen]

I really liked what I saw while playing 🔥

I'll definitely get the game on pre-sale

[scenic owl]

When Battlefield 6 is revealed, can people who played the Pre Alpha talk about their experiences?

[nimble bridge]

Will labs even continue after the open beta

[mellow oasis]

It would be cool for the campaign to be co-op with a friend 🧑‍🤝‍🧑

[muted pollen]

directly not

[scenic owl]

o

[kindred perch]

There was Irish...

RIP

[desert kelp]

Anyone got vehicle warfare clips?

[indigo pebble]

for bf or just any?

[desert kelp]

I definetly should not be asking this here

[indigo pebble]

ohhhh you mean from the pt yea no luck

[desert kelp]

Yea I won’t talk abt this again

[long trail]

Why this fake names for armies armata or idk other fakes, why not make it simple and more interesting make it Russia or usa or china whtever

[flint mulch]

they wont use russia for obvious reasons

[sharp prawn]

Also welcome to the modern world where “woke” is everywhere and “politics” so just doing fake militaries is abit more better than doing real world counter vs each other

[sharp prawn]

Wording is shit but it’s just makes sense

[long trail]

What about server browsing

[calm seal]

I would like the trailer to just say server brower.

[indigo pebble]

i think it should jsut be battlefield portal with all the battlefields loaded up on there it would populate the other games too and keep the franchise alive

[rugged seal]

[indigo pebble]

simmiler to the halo mastercheif collection but battlefield

[feral garden]

Keep the franchise alive, but complete kill their new game lol

[crimson moss]

what

[crimson moss]

thats a shared launcher

[spare coral]

So i still have labs installed and haven't seen any other opportunities.. Will there be more

[deep epoch]

500gb just like cod

[indigo pebble]

depends sjut select what ones you want downloaded

[glad trench]

Bro, shut up

[sharp prawn]

ok

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[vocal axle]

EA deciding between selling their product in more regions or appeasing the angriest weird guy on the internet as if it’s a hard choice 😂

[sharp prawn]

im just saying in modern context

[nimble bridge]

Issue with ''remasters'' like this is that no one plays them past first 2 weeks. Even when CoD did it more people played Infinite Warfare rather than MW Remastered in the end.

[sharp prawn]

Exactly

Its just a game

[severe anvil]

@sharp prawn move on, thanks.

[sharp prawn]

yeah we can just end this here

👌

[glad trench]

@severe anvil can we remove the slowmode for this channel? #battlefield-6 is going to absorb the majority of discourse and this place hasn't been busy enough the last couple of weeks for a 15 sec timer

[versed token]

Double the timer

[severe anvil]

I already lowered it, not removing it until after the trailer hype has slowed down. 5 seconds is plenty.

[manic gate]

And pass it on to the next person

[glad trench]

reset the timer by preordering the deluxe edition

[mild girder]

Well guys, this discord server is about to go nuclear soon.

[glad axle]

y

[fair summit]

When does beta open is it known

Been busy this week

[mild girder]

Nope but maybe we will know after the trailer

[fair summit]

Ight thx

[glad trench]

people expecting gameplay today when they're donig a 3 day event next week

[leaden kraken]

I like the setting so far, now we just have to hope we don't repeat 2042, with the trailer being great and the game being unplayable at launch

[mild girder]

they never showed gameplay during a reveal trailer tho lol

[nimble bridge]

WE ARE SO BACK! BATTLEFIELD IS BACK!

[crystal sparrow]

event?

[mild girder]

yea, influencers are already invited

[weak obsidian]

BATTLEFIELD IS SAVED!

[fair summit]

from what

[weak obsidian]

I don't know.

[mild girder]

From Battlefield itself

[fair summit]

too early to say

[knotty lodge]

So there is no more 128 players ? We are back to 64 max or custom server can push to 128 players ? Because i think the problem was the size of map and not the 128 players ? Not sure

[potent pine]

HOLY SHIT BATTLEFIELD IS BACK GUYS!!! SOLDIERS AND EXPLOSIONS LETS FUCKING GOO

[potent pine]

we arent getting 128 players

[rapid bear]

We luv it

[weak obsidian]

WE DID IT

[simple eagle]

i busted

[unborn summit]

IS THERE REALLY NO NAVAL COMBAT

[simple eagle]

i busted so damn hard the load was so fucking big i couldnt see the screen

[knotty lodge]

I personaly liked 128 players, with mass destruction and medium map size that's would be legendary

[potent pine]

okay but for real when the BF theme kicked in it was so 😊

[simple eagle]

there woll be no more battlefield labs playtests right?

[mint cobalt]

looks good once again like I said, Don't Fuck It Up DICE

[simple eagle]

just the beta

[potent pine]

it just very hard to design around for a casual gamemode

[glad trench]

good, the naval maps blew to focus on what was essentially a mini game being played off to the side

[mild girder]

Beta isnt even announced yet and they can still test even before the Beta even starts

[potent pine]

no but you will play the open beta soon

[glad trench]

give us some amphibious assault vehicles like the MAV and some RHIBs and we're good

[potent pine]

i doubt it, hopefully they do tho

[simple eagle]

i heard beta in august

[mild girder]

all rumors so far

[simple eagle]

guys give it to me straight will it be playble on a 1060 pr do i have to play it in my ps5

[mild girder]

PS5 lol

you wont enjoy it at all on a 1060

[simple eagle]

i hate playing on console😔

i seriously need an upgrade

[reef loom]

now no more labs reg?

[simple eagle]

driver support will be cut soon too

[mild girder]

until its officially discontinued, labs is still active

[reef loom]

I hope... last chance

[simple eagle]

theres one rn?

[mild girder]

1. its not Friday
2. im not in it lol even if i were i couldnt tell you

[potent pine]

why

[leaden kraken]

The trailer song goes hard

[potent pine]

turn off crosplay and im sure youll have a un time

[potent pine]

very much yes

[simple eagle]

i just prefer playing on the device where i have everything

not that i hate console

i love watching youtube or using other apps while playing

[mossy marten]

when they mixed the BF theme in with the song, 🐐 'd

[trail stump]

WE ARE SO BACK

[grave summit]

True! 😎

[tough pier]

WERE BACK BABYYYYYY

[trail stump]

WE ARE BACKKKK

[boreal harbor]

I'm hyped

[delicate frigate]

Interesting reveal trailer.

[azure lake]

@severe anvil will labs play testing continue on the side to test new features/dev builds?

[quartz iris]

How do I join? This is a stupid question but I really don’t know?

[nimble bridge]

Yes we are

[left copper]

Is there another playtest?

[faint pivot]

Guys I’m stoked!!! I’m not pre ordering until I actually feel how the beta plays because that will be their closest to last build but holy shit! So much info in the trailer, it looked like mainly aimed towards the story but none the less I got bf3 vibes from it🔥🔥

[nimble bridge]

Same!!! We are so back!!! Battlefield is back!!!

[autumn adder]

yeah trying the beta will be fun

[signal maple]

hope we get access to whatever the open beta build is before open beta

[glad trench]

What is that supposed to mean? Like a pre download?

[tepid plinth]

Guessing they mean the labs people get the beta build before others

[minor linden]

If so, then it's unlikely. They'll probably include a bonus for pre-orders where you get in early though

[glad trench]

All info suggests the open beta happening really soon, sooner than what a preorder bonus would give out

[radiant heath]

I keep hearing August 4th

[glad trench]

The 4th is a Monday, no one releases things on mondays

[fair summit]

What if 1th

I don't have sources just a feeling

[potent pine]

a ok makes sense, i personally hate console because i have to pay for a subscription just to play

[gritty galleon]

Trailer looking always the same.
BF 3/4 Campain Trailer were immersive

[minor linden]

The open beta update is being added to labs august 4th. They are def not releasing it the 4th though, so my bet is the 8th or 9th

[simple eagle]

i yeah thag too dude i forgot

[echo bone]

It’s been so long they haven’t brought back the B52 bomber since it appeared back in BF4. I hope they bring it back in BF6

[radiant heath]

How do you know?

[tough zinc]

THIS

from an ex console player

switching to pc was the best move ever

[minor linden]

Data Divers from the alpha found it in the code

[radiant heath]

Heck

I guess the 4th was really surprising as a turnaround anyway

[simple eagle]

ikr

[minor linden]

It's also a monday. No sane game producer is going to launch their open beta on a monday

[calm frigate]

You say that but is is EA, are they really that sane?

[minor linden]

... fair

[radiant heath]

😂

[minor linden]

They did greenlight 2042's launch

[calm frigate]

...... Yep

i'm honestly so ready for them to somehow fumble this game

like they always seem to do in some way

[full drift]

5 or 6 man squads? Thoughts??

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-arrow-trust-me-do-gif-23144253

[radiant heath]

5 with the commander call-ins from the squad leader (which I'd prefer), 6 without

[full drift]

What about the perks? Squad perks with depending on the leader of squad may vary

[full drift]

Or by map

[full drift]

What about HZ with a BR ~ Tarksrov blenf to it??🤔🤔

Most defintlely theyll be strike maps for the smaller plsyer count

[kindred haven]

br is the last thing i care about for this new bf

[faint pivot]

I love how we were complaining about lack of vehicles and in the trailer they had nothing but vehicles almost too much vehicles, like a “FINE, IS THAT ENOUGH VEHICLES FOR YOU”😂

[kindred haven]

also that was the story trailer

[faint pivot]

Yes of course

[kindred haven]

so no that has nothing to do with mp

[faint pivot]

But still funny

[kindred haven]

lets just hope

[faint pivot]

Yeah it does because everyone was complaining about lack of vehicles in the labs and the trailer confirmed tons of vehicles that will be in the game from transport to attack

[kindred haven]

that the game isnt like bf2042

[faint pivot]

Of course it won’t be 6 helicopters on one map

[kindred haven]

labs was a very bad experience anyway, crashed like more than a dozen times for me

[faint pivot]

But it’s still confirming that there is a nice variety of vehicles!

[faint pivot]

I agree I didn’t like it

[faint pivot]

But let’s hope this beta slaps!!

[kindred haven]

i hope labs doesent represent the end product

[faint pivot]

Definitely not labs was prolly 10 percent of what were actually getting no way they showed us their whole game in labs

[versed token]

They will use campaign assets in the multiplayer

[kindred haven]

ohh really?

i thought they made 4 different abrahams models just for br, mp, tdm and story

like what is bro yapping

ofc they will reuse assets

[faint pivot]

I bet the final product will feel nothing like labs did

We only can hope

[kindred haven]

one issue in labs is that most gameplay elements that you were aupposed to test didnt work, which was so stupid, why even have these alpha tests if i:

1: cannot give feedback

2: not play the game properly because of crashes

hope pts will be done better than labs

no

no?

there was never anything like this

dont provoke anyone to break nda, you make me mad

no shit anything else smart ass, there is mo discord to discuss labs

[manic gate]

Then you weren't a tester

[kindred haven]

wtf yes i was

[manic gate]

Well not a 'true' one according to EA

[kindred haven]

what you mean?

wtf are you guys high or some shit?

[versed token]

If you were part of the very public stress test they did awhile back

[covert nest]

Things break in a pre release build! It happens!

[versed token]

You weren't a tester

[kindred haven]

no we had this discussion alreaey

[mellow oasis]

I also miss the ammo caches at flag points in BF5 that were not in BF 2042. Would be nice to have ammo caches at control points again

[kindred haven]

how there is no way to give feedback

after labs and how that was stupid

[nimble bridge]

These were the people they invited

[kindred haven]

in the invite email there was no link to a seperate server to give feedback

if there would be i would be the first person to give feedback

[feral garden]

Your invite was time limited, but your NDA wasnt

[mossy marten]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

[manic gate]

total confirmed it somewhere, I'm trying to find it

he really should've pinned it

[covert nest]

Like what LOL.

[kindred haven]

ok so i only was invited for the 72h one that was supposed to hype up bf players?

[feral garden]

The N in NDA stands for NON, BTW

[nimble bridge]

Changes they made with the Labs made the game worse

[covert nest]

En de ay

[charred nova]

I was but never got to play it, had pneumonia at time of appointment.
@vestal berry never played, any chance I can get access anyway?

[kindred haven]

and you still werent or even now arent to allowed to give feedback

great system

[mossy marten]

72hr playtest was a stress test for servers

[faint pivot]

Cry about it bro seriously, fucking cry about it

[manic gate]

you should've read the email title, it probably said "stress test"

[covert nest]

The feedback they wanted were to their servers they wanted to break.

[feral garden]

You were invited to test server stability, not for feedback

[covert nest]

They are literally getting testers. To break their game. That is the purpose of it LOL

[nimble bridge]

Movement nerfs, removal of assault's medpen all stem from labs testing 🥶

[kindred haven]

pointless

[charred nova]

yeah my latest rig is great....when it allows me to play 2042 which is the only title I cannot play on it, got laptop with 12450HandMobile3060Tho

[feral garden]

Just cos youre annoyed/angry, at not getting a full labs invite, doesnt mean it was pointless

[manic gate]

bro is seriously complaining after he was given free access to play as much as he wanted for days

[versed token]

Entitlement is unreal

[kindred haven]

it was pointless

[faint pivot]

Why are so many of you worried about other people holy shit if that was the case half these people including myself would be removed from this discord for talking about it in general even if we don’t state we were in it we’re still talking about it lmao shut up already

[feral garden]

No U

[kindred haven]

ok so when your game full shuts off your pc, is that good for the components health of your pc?

[faint pivot]

Wether or not this was their plan they are obviously listening to people

[manic gate]

Well would have you been happier if you never got invited even for that in the first place?

[charred nova]

If I wouldn't been sick...I would have played until I dropped...
And because of my situation that can still now take up to 5 days consecutively

[faint pivot]

That’s what matters

[covert nest]

Does it suck that it was broken in some ways? Yes.

But you should have expected that from a pre alpha build.

[kindred haven]

does dice provide me with a new 5090 in a few years no, dont make random people stress test their own machines for your games

[feral garden]

Me when I make things up cos im angry and trying to make a point

[manic gate]

damn, horrible timing. My condolences

[versed token]

[covert nest]

Boohoo

[kindred haven]

what angry, the labs version we played all it did was crash

[covert nest]

Like what then dont sign up LMAO

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-dow-gif-24856862

[kindred haven]

there was no testing to be done of aynthing

[novel wyvern]

It's voluntary. Not mandatory for you or anyone to test.

[crimson moss]

you should be grateful that you even got to play the stress test lol, its an experience within itself

[charred nova]

Thanks for your understanding.

[versed token]

It was clearly working for others goofy

[kindred haven]

and then you werent allowed to give feedback

[crimson moss]

maybe that was the entire test dumdum

[kindred haven]

what a waste of everyones time participating

[crimson moss]

the data they needed they collected themselves

[feral garden]

Sounds like its a good thing they tested that version then bud. Seems like they resolved that issue, cos youre the only person to ever mention it.

[covert nest]

This is hilarious. Absolutely illogical you actual child.

[crimson moss]

they legit get crash reports you know right

just like any other game and driver

[kindred haven]

not all games get automatic crash reports but if it helped im happy

[crimson moss]

rex would you be able to tell me which ones dont

[kindred haven]

but labs wasnt advertised as a stress testing thing, but to test core features of the game

[crimson moss]

👂

[rugged seal]

the 72 hour test was absolutely advertised as stress testing

[manic gate]

lying now are we?

[kindred haven]

the Finals

[novel wyvern]

He clearly didn't read his emails to give feedback if he was actually a part of Battlefield Labs.

[feral garden]

Re-Read your email bud

[crimson moss]

💀

[charred nova]

I always opt in fully, cookies I fully decline 99.99% of times

[covert nest]

Do you understand the purpose of a pre release build

Answer me this batman.

[novel wyvern]

The Open Beta will be here soon enough.

[kindred haven]

the finals doesnt send ue5 crash reports automatically you have to accept it when the game crashes

[feral garden]

the more they talk, the more im glad they werent invited as a full tester. Imagine having to listen to this as a dev in a feedback channel

[covert nest]

Will he answer me question

[manic gate]

this is some insane mental gymnastics to save face

[crimson moss]

man battlefield players are just another league of stupid

[charred nova]

Likely 15Th of August during Gamescom where +325K people wil attend.

[novel wyvern]

Sounds like he's yelling in an echo chamber. 🤣

[covert nest]

I dont understand how someone can be this entitled.

[feral garden]

Gamescom starts on the 20th

[crimson moss]

like they cant read they cant see they cant hear they come to random conclusions they overreact on everything

[covert nest]

They dont even respond they just rant.

[kindred haven]

right

[rugged seal]

all traits of a classic Gamer™

[manic gate]

"let the fans design Battlefield. It is guaranteed to do well, they know what everyone actually wants"

The fans:

[kindred haven]

so up until now labs has been going on

[novel wyvern]

It could be sooner. Could be the same day or days after the multiplayer announcement.

[covert nest]

Keep in mind he thought that development started in March. Which makes zero sense.

[crimson moss]

yep

[kindred haven]

lets keep in mind that support has defib and lmg

[charred nova]

He is clearly gloating himsèlf 😄 😜 Greetz from 🇳🇱

[crimson moss]

HGAHAHA

yeah totally

[kindred haven]

and people havent given freebqck on it

[rugged seal]

bfbc2 had a class with lmg and defib

[novel wyvern]

Dude, I'm trying to help you but you need to chill a little. People here are nice and help each other.

[covert nest]

Can you substantiate the issue. Can you answer a single question.

[crimson moss]

march-april-may-june-july-august, so pretty much a finished product in 5 months

[covert nest]

What is bad with lmg medic.

[crimson moss]

crazy

ea hiring magicians for devs

[kindred haven]

not really, everytime im here we discuss how apparently open classes are better than closed ones

[covert nest]

That is NOT solely a medic related issue, like infinite health.

[crimson moss]

why does it matter what gun they have

[feral garden]

Support has supply crate

[crimson moss]

what difference does it make

[rugged seal]

its more like we are pointing out flawed arguments for locked classes

[crimson moss]

will you care that they have an lmg when you play against them like what

[kindred haven]

why does it matter if the game has classes?

[crimson moss]

classes are there to make categories for different roles

guns dont define the role of a player

its the gadgets that define the role

[novel wyvern]

That's good to have those discussions. I'm just trying to point you where you can provide additional feedback but I can't help if you're not willing to receive the help.

[crimson moss]

an smg player without assault kit is just an smg player, lmg without support kit is just an lmg player

[kindred haven]

yeah so why not give a role to the class that has a different weapon so there are different resona to take that weapon and not just a different gadget

[crimson moss]

and vice versa

[crimson moss]

because you dont select a class based on weapons you select a class based on its kit

[nimble bridge]

BF4 system they are implementing will make gun classes more useless than open system of 2042

[kindred haven]

and the wepaon is part of its kit

[crimson moss]

it doesnt make a difference on what gun you play because you approach each gunfight the exact same way as any other weapon in the game

[manic gate]

BF sub downvoting me when I say I don't want to be forced to use an lmg to be medic (apparantly I'm a 'dumbass' and should actually 'play properly' and the blame is entirely on me)

[covert nest]

Use carbine and break game. Yes.

[feral garden]

Remember that this guy is adamant that BF6 only started development in March of 2025 when talking to them

[crimson moss]

im so curious to see if people will cry over the hybrid system

because then we can truly see the true colors of those "battlefield veterans"

[nimble bridge]

BF4 devolved into AR/Carbine meta due to class locks. SMGs were entirely useless in the modes they would be useful in due to them being locked to engineers. Which would give much needed variety to the game.

[kindred haven]

in what range it attacks, what gadgets it has, what role it plays, if guns arent locked to a class, there is even less incentive to even have classes in the first place, and people obvioulsy want classes hence what happend with bf2042

and this stupid ahh conversation everytime 🥀

[feral garden]

Thankfully signatures are in the beta

[kindred haven]

yes

i agree i hope they make it into the final game

[novel wyvern]

It's what testing is for. Weapon balance will go on for awhile even after game release. It's been this way for all Battlefield games. It's just an evolution over time. We just hope there's not that one broken weapon on release.

[crimson moss]

regardless of the gun that you have, you will always win gunfights not by a weapon difference but by being the better player and positioning better, timing better, having better angles, better peeks

[nimble bridge]

I hope we get open system tbh

[feral garden]

It literally won't matter either way tho, so whatever. Open or closed it will all be fine.

[kindred haven]

no shit and very unreleated to the topic of classes

[fair summit]

Cant believe months later you're still flexing about this channel like a 12 years old lmaoo

[feral garden]

What channel?

[crimson moss]

the only thing you need to know when approaching someone is quite literally the class they play which is semi irrelevant anyway unless theres some very hard counter gadget for specific plays

[novel wyvern]

I guess you missed the Tweet. There will be open and closed weapon playlists in the open Beta.

[kindred haven]

and no some weapons have higher advantages in like range and damage in those ranges

[nimble bridge]

I'm talking about full release

I hope we will get open classes in final release

[crimson moss]

wdym no shit when you just told me that guns matter more in gunfight than your own skill level 💀

[feral garden]

Why does this weirdo only pop up to insult people randomly

[novel wyvern]

I'm sure it will be the same as well.

[crimson moss]

yeah but it doesnt matter if youre having an advantage over that player

[kindred haven]

so a shootgun from 3m away is worse than a lmg?

[fair summit]

Where's the insult? That's your friend zeethos

[feral garden]

Who?

[crimson moss]

a shotgun in a 3m range against a positioned player is indeed worse than an lmg yes

[glad trench]

because he's an idiot

[kindred haven]

and from 500m away a pistol will win against a sniper

[crimson moss]

because you cant hit full pellets on the player thats behind cover meaning you cant do full damage to the player

[fair summit]

[feral garden]

I guess you. I don't know this person tho lol

[crimson moss]

thats not a positional advantage

no one plays against a sniper from 500m away

even snipers dont play at a 500m range

[kindred haven]

what even is bro yapping at this point ofc some weapons are more potent in different scenarios its not just about skill

[crimson moss]

it is

[covert nest]

Its a surprise you are engaging with it at all considering how evasive you have been.

[crimson moss]

we could 1v1 rn give me like pieper and you can play anni and ill 9/10 times win

[glad trench]

he's some bad that can never argue his point so I've bullied him so hard to the point that he only responds to bait people

[kindred haven]

ragebait

anything else?

[fair summit]

Been months you're yapping about this tester discord even in my private messages you reached out to me about it, if you believe they consider you, or it makes you, somehow important you're a delusional teenager

[covert nest]

Do not play stupid. You have not answered my questions.

[mossy marten]

[kindred haven]

shut up

[crimson moss]

a good player will always play a worse gun better than a bad player will play a good weapon

[kindred haven]

im talking with a pickle bro

[feral garden]

Yeah I had them blocked. No clue why, I guess they are one of those people who change their name and avatar every other week.

[covert nest]

Weak.

[kindred haven]

?

[fair summit]

Yeah you're the superior being that bullies people. Somehow you're widely regarded as the server idiot though. If you're the only one who can't keep up a discussion with me it's your fault. I had a splendid one just yesterday night with a fella here.

[crimson moss]

?

[kindred haven]

the sentence makes no sense so i will just stop with you pickle

[crimson moss]

good player with bad gun is better than bad player with good gun

[kindred haven]

but you do understand my point?

[crimson moss]

no

[kindred haven]

some weapons are better for certain scenarios

[feral garden]

It makes sense, just isn't structured well.

Good player with worst gun will beat bad player with best gun

[crimson moss]

sure

but its irrelevant if the other player has a better position on you, better timing, better peek and or better angle, not to mention element of surprise

[kindred haven]

right so your argument is just be better, which doesent make much sense when the player in question is 500m away and you have a shootgun, its not always possible to "be better with what you have"

[crimson moss]

the only time when the difference between a weapon matters is in a point blank pure reaction time scenario but it doesnt really happen

[kindred haven]

Thats an example btw

[glad trench]

why are you trying to engage from 500m?

[kindred haven]

never

[crimson moss]

im not going to engage anyone at 500m anyway

[glad trench]

even with a bolt action, that's a dumbass range

[covert nest]

Who's sitting from 500 metres away

[kindred haven]

but this mfer keeps bringing up some stupid point for the sake of arguemtn about closed classes

[rugged seal]

someone the other day in the 2042 channel said they were trying to use ARs at those types of ranges

absolutely bonkers

[covert nest]

By the way I am just saying games are so easily exploited no matter what you do. I will farm with the m27 iar on support purely to make people mad.

[fair summit]

Well in 42 they're all laser guns so worth a try

[covert nest]

It is an assault rifle for support.

[crimson moss]

thats 1) 2042 bad map designs 2) hyper ape mode battlefield players that actually think of things like that

[verbal crypt]

We get a dope trailer today and mfers are in here YAPPING about anything lmao

[crimson moss]

nothing else to talk about

[novel wyvern]

There are people that want to argue to no end about the open and closed weapon system. The developers decided they're doing both. I think it will all come down to how many players actually choose it in the open Beta. They're trying to cater to both sides of the argument.

Personally I prefer a closed weapon system because it provides readability on the battlefield and a balance like in Battlefield 4.

I won't argue at the end of time about it.

There are two Discord users I've blocked on here because they refuse to be open minded and want to force people to like their opinion.

See you on the Battlefield buddy. 🫡

[crimson moss]

i just want bf6 open beta alr so i can play a better game than 1,5,2042 for a week

i will most definitely not miss gas from bf1

or sweetspot, or suppression

cant wait to just put that garbage game away

[glad trench]

what readability in BF4? Anyone could run a carbine or dmr

[crimson moss]

no more unavoidable grenades

[fair summit]

Now zeethos will text you about how active and healthy that game is

[glad trench]

I could run across a support and not know if he's using lmg, carbine, dmr, shotgun

[novel wyvern]

It's definitely a way to get the developers to notice an over powering weapon. You can't help things might not be properly tested.

[covert nest]

Actually I would like to say. It was really nice playing the bf3 mode and from a glance immediately understand capabilities of the person you are fighting.

[covert nest]

Keep in mind the m27 iar wont be overpowered it will just be "good" because it'll do its job.

[crimson moss]

you measure the capabilities by the class not by the weapon

[glad trench]

ya so either lock it down like BF3, 1 or V. Or open it up because BF4's hybrid system is basically just an open system

[covert nest]

Carbines and the m27 iar I will theorise be supports main guns

[crimson moss]

bf3 was hybrid too

[novel wyvern]

I guess I played BF4 for thousands of hours I started to notice. In 2042 it was all over the place.

[covert nest]

Absolutely. Ironically though when I would shoot at a support the thought "they cannot kill me AS well as I can kill them" goes through my mind.

[glad trench]

So play 2042 for a thousand hours and realize it didn't matter

just like it didn't in BF4

[covert nest]

Keep in mind I am for either system. I dont care. I want an open system to make the redditors seethe.

[mint cobalt]

In all honesty I believe everyone gun in Battlefield needs to be op,

Nerf a gun just causes problems

[covert nest]

I think theres an actual argument to be made.

[fair summit]

In Italy we have a say about a man who cuts his own manhood to piss the wife off

[manic gate]

I'm too autistic to think about that in the moment honestly

[kindred haven]

wtf?

[crimson moss]

the only reason why 1 and 5 werent the way 3,4 and 2025 was because of its timeline and even then bf1 had universal weapons which were kind of slipped into the overall kit, people like to complain about support having bolt action rifles if open class for example, bf1 had general liu which was identical to g98 in stats, bf5 had several carbines that were 2 body 1 head, there were hybrid weapons in support class of bf1 such as burton which was a smg type weapon, parabellum and so on so forth

[fair summit]

Means it's not worth damaging yourself as well just to piss others off

[kindred haven]

ahh yes very wise

[covert nest]

Oh trust me I have my own fucky wuckys

[crimson moss]

in bf5 assault you have smg type weapons too interms of damage fall off and ttk

[covert nest]

Hhh i said that x)

[rugged seal]

bf1 wouldve been very barebones if they didnt use a bunch of experimental weapons or 3 variants of the same gun

[crimson moss]

universal weapons have always been a thing they were just more hidden into the classes with bf1 and 5

[glad trench]

bf4 would've been barebones if like 4 guns per class didn't have copy pasted stats lol

[rugged seal]

fr

[crimson moss]

ngl you could argue that having nearly same statistical ttk for every weapon but making them feel different is better balanced than a wide range of different ttks

[mint cobalt]

In reality majority of the Soldiers would be using rifles and one medic per squad

[fair summit]

Bf 1 gun balance was good till they added the last ones which were broken, but what's important is the balance in the first years of life obviously years and years later every game will have a stable meta

[crimson moss]

talked on reddit pretty recently about it actually sec

[covert nest]

To be honest the more I played bf5 and everyone having super capable weapons the less the actual class mattered.

[crimson moss]

So in terms of Class Macro balance one can say the game is relatively okay with a few notable outliers.

That said in most Battlefield (modern Battlefield games) gunplay is usually defined by its micro aspects. Most modern titles due to their nature had bare minimum fully automatic Assault Rifles available to a class turning the balance into a matter of numbers.

So in these cases balance is most commonly defined by how bad the outliers are and how evenly balanced the pack is. In an ideal balanced game, you want the outliers to be minorly better, and the rest of the weapons to be very close together. In short the closer the average TTK is, to the best TTK, the better balanced the game is.

[mint cobalt]

Honestly my only gripe with BF5 aside from the cheaters was the in game credit which yes it was obvious why the gave you so little

[covert nest]

Reminds me of my own statement i say.

[crimson moss]

that would ideally be better

[fair summit]

Bf 5 gets too much hate imo lol

[covert nest]

A meta happens no matter what the best thing you can do is make everything else up around it.

[crimson moss]

nah

[crimson moss]

yes

[covert nest]

Bar and fg42 was my favourite dynamic.

[crimson moss]

meta is unavoidable, but its never been an issue in battlefield games

[fair summit]

It's a first step downhill but it's not wasted money feel me

[covert nest]

Bar ruined people but the fg42 had so much accuracy.

[crimson moss]

no one really knows about meta in battlefield

[covert nest]

I'll be honest i disagree with that. About the issue part. Cause OCE. -.-

[mint cobalt]

So does BF2042

[crimson moss]

oce is a more dead region ingeneral, more better players couped up together

[fair summit]

Nope. 42 deserves it.

[manic gate]

atleast definitive edition exists now

[covert nest]

Vhx, rm, etc. BUT.
Battlefield is such a varied game that allows for a variety of playstyles and players you can make things work even if they are "bad"

[crimson moss]

100%

it never mattered, i can go into bf1 and dominate the game with a c96 carbine or something lol

[mint cobalt]

Well then BF5 deserves, because they were both on the same boat of problems at the time

[crimson moss]

meta is only a thing that matters if youre playing against good players in a competitive game

[covert nest]

Which is where my point of view comes from

[kindred haven]

also another thing that annoys me

[fair summit]

I disagree. 42 has way bigger problems than 5. Just think about the corpses flying like dolls when you die. It's a subpar game.

[covert nest]

There is a higher chance of fighting a good player there so switching to that good gun needs to be ready in mind.

Did you ever use the fg42, pickle?

[kindred haven]

i talk here about the closed or open class system and people that are for the open system all they can do is argue that: "nostalgia from past games etc"

[crimson moss]

and thats also purely because the difference between good players is quite literally a very small difference and a difference of a weapon matters more in that instance than the difference in skill

[covert nest]

I loved that gun to bits and would stand toe to toe because it was amazing.

[covert nest]

The sentimental arguments get really tiring.

[fair summit]

Yeah I also got called boomer a lot by people older than me

[rugged seal]

because you have yet to provide any argument for locked system that isn't hypothetical or pure fantasy

[kindred haven]

even tho universally the last game that has a open class system being 42 is universally hated across the dommunity

[covert nest]

I agree with that. About nostalgia from the past.

[fair summit]

Many did you simply ignore them because its easier to pretend to be smarter and different from the mass

[kindred haven]

and the game everyone loves being bf3/bf4 dont have that

[covert nest]

I have not even seen a "proper" argument for locked weapons.

[rugged seal]

99% of the examples people give don't happen in the game where weapons are already unlocked

[crimson moss]

Neither

[kindred haven]

it doesent need a proper Argument

[rugged seal]

bruh

[crimson moss]

Yeah but if theres no proper argument against open weapons then theres 0 reason to entirely dismiss the idea of having open weapons

[kindred haven]

little class identitiy

[fair summit]

He's right. Unlocked needs an argument to back it up. Because so far the biggest L Dice took is their only game with a open system.

[kindred haven]

THATS WHAT I MEAN

[crimson moss]

Class identity is set by the kit of the player meaning the gadgets, not by the weapon that someone plays

[fair summit]

History backs it up for locked.

[kindred haven]

give this man server admin

[crimson moss]

If i pick general liu in battlefield 1 im still a medic player because thats what my role is

[rugged seal]

i use engineer as the anti tank class, not the smg/lmg/carbine/shotgun/dmr or whatever the game im playing has chosen class

[crimson moss]

I dont become a scout player purely because my weapon is a bolt action

Thats not my role to play

[rugged seal]

saying your role is the weapon you play says a lot about how you play

[crimson moss]

He doesnt even play the game if he thinks thats true

[rugged seal]

but i already knew that since people kindly have their gamertags connected to their discord

[crimson moss]

What are his stats

[kindred haven]

which game?

[rugged seal]

and i also know that the locked weapon playlist will have a lot of easy kills

[glad trench]

all the BF boomers moving like they're in mud and PIEing every corner

[crimson moss]

Im going to have easy kills regardless it doesnt really matter

[kindred haven]

bro wants another 2042

[glad trench]

wait until you learn I was jump peaking and jump shooting in BF3

[mint cobalt]

At least you are not me, I only become the recon class when my team doesn’t want to put in the effort to capturing the objectives and getting kills instead