battlefield-labs-discussion

[true schooner]

Ive played all the arma games and ground branch etc squad too but you would probably call that an arcade game too

[crimson moss]

squad maybe im pretty sure a lot of its own playerbase dont really consider it a super heavy milsim

[autumn adder]

xD

[tall urchin]

Yeah, Squad I'd say is just more of a military sandbox. It's less arcade than BF but still has arcade mechanics.

[autumn adder]

Pretty sure Arma is the only "real" milsilm

[crimson moss]

but you cant be serious and say that insurgency and battlefield go under the same category

you could hit my head with a hammer 30 times and i still wouldnt say something that absurdly stupid lol

[autumn adder]

Insurgency and Squad I would put as "realistc shooters"

not milsim

[rugged seal]

Where do you put HLL

[autumn adder]

in the bin

dogshit game

[crimson moss]

HLL is like the battlefield 1 of milsims i imagine

[autumn adder]

I dont know what you mean by that, because battlefield 1 is a gem

[crimson moss]

its entirely different to any other game in the series

[autumn adder]

ahhh

[crimson moss]

or something very overhyped

because muh visuals and sound

[autumn adder]

ooh I just remmeber a game worse than HLL! who can guess

[crimson moss]

"my .45 doesnt sound like a mortar strike 1cm away from me this game sucks!!"

[sinful stump]

Hell let loose is great

The server browser is buns tho

[crimson moss]

idk runs bad, cheater issues, toxic playerbase for such a niche game

[autumn adder]

The maps feel big and small at the same time, it takes ages to get anywhere but most buildings ect will be closed off and eventually leading to the same choke points.

Doesnt have the feel of scale and strategic/tactical importance like squad but its still too slow and bland to be a good action shooter

[crimson moss]

matchmaking is pretty bad

[autumn adder]

That is copied from part of my steam review for HLL

[kindred loom]

well, the liss rocket launcher is laggy as hell on mouse, it's almost like they forgot to add mouse control to it. like 5ms when moving it

[autumn adder]

To join a game you must join a server that has 90/100 people on it otherwise you will told the server is full or be put into a que, taking ping into account it doesnt leave that many servers for the 7k ish online - also from my review xD

[crimson moss]

its the same issue that bf2042 had where they didnt add anything to the map but scaled them up a lot

100vs100 in a map thats kilometers wide and long is just not going to be very action filled

but ig you could argue that it makes it more fun to set up flank spawn points, defensive points and counter spawn points (garrissons just remembered)

[autumn adder]

Well that was one of my biggest issues with 128. Doubling size and player count and puutting no other thought into it is ridiculous, if you do nothing to guide player distribution you just have everyone fighting over the few hotspots and if you spawn at a far flag good luck doing anything fun for 30 mins

[crimson moss]

yeah it just doesnt work

i honestly cant believe they thought it was a good idea

like why do you think anyone would want to play in empty big areas, ofc people will go where other people are

[autumn adder]

I am convinced it was a panicked decision based on the new cod game that was releasing at the time advertising its "new" ground war game mode featuring 48 players and vehicles. Clearly EA thought that everyone would give up on bf since it wasnt unique enough and gave us this shitshow

[crimson moss]

especially in a game like battlefield where players expect reasonable amount of action and gunfights

[autumn adder]

it was just a D**K bragging excercise

[crimson moss]

idk ea is just a terrible company ingeneral

imagine letting your workers just do their job instead of guiding it like a sheep lol

[autumn adder]

aslo the game worse than HLL is verdun

[crimson moss]

not many people played those ww1 games i think

they pretty much instantly died and had no media coverage

[autumn adder]

It is exactly on par with a free to play game called ww1:source mod which was literally a free source mod made like 10 years before or something

[crimson moss]

lol

[autumn adder]

Yh I was deciding between buying BF1 and Verdun since they were both coming out at the similar time

I got BF1 then later got Verdun either thru humble or sale and OMG was is baaad

[rugged seal]

well there were the bf yters who made the "this ww1 game is absolutely insane..." "check out this new ww1 game..." ww1 like you have never seen before..."

[crimson moss]

for verdun?

it was imo isonzo or whatever it was that got the most coverage

[rugged seal]

isonzo

[crimson moss]

they are standalone games iirc

[autumn adder]

verdun is 2015 and iso 2022

[crimson moss]

man i will forever remember

2016 when they announced bf1 trailer when i was on a school roadtrip

probably one of the best trailers of all time

too bad that the game is meh

[autumn adder]

Whats the italian map with the really high mountains on one side with the big cannons on top

[crimson moss]

monte grappa

terrible map

but people like it because muh visuals

[autumn adder]

Right, one of my best memories was being quite high ground and I see enemy plane, I shoot and basically I killed the front gunner, pilot and rear gunner with one shot

I was really confused at first cos I got the kills, then the plane fell and exploded and I was like ohh did I just get those kills too before I realised that all the kills came through before the plane even crashed

[minor linden]

Y'know, I really hope there's a preset or setting to remove all the mobile-looking hud stuff like the damage indicator

I'm fine with it existing, but it should be able to be removed

[autumn adder]

depends what exactly you are refering too I guess

[rugged seal]

if its like 2042 its off by default...

dont know why people hate having it on

[autumn adder]

If its like parts of your screen going red and stuff or effects from being shot, that cant be turned off cos it would be OP. But if you mean like damage numbers then I am sure than will be togglable

[minor linden]

Yeah. I mean the actual hud elements like the damage numbers and exp bar thing

[minor linden]

I just don't like how it looks. I prefer to have a simpler, cleaner hud

[small matrix]

@crimson moss we cooked bro? another 4years in bf1?

[crimson moss]

ill lose my mind if i have to play more of bf1

but idk bf6 might be good

the sales arent helping either rn

so uninteresting to play bf1 alone and then you have sales when everyones just afking

even worse for me because i dont have any infantry servers to play on, either banned or the people that host them cant seed their servers

youre probs chilling with vehicle maps

50/14 hour sinai servers and whatnot

[mighty osprey]

The post said the dual primary weapon for assault is part of the changes of the class, does that means it will stay with some changes ? Or the second primary weapon will be completely removed ?

[versed token]

It might get cut

[rugged seal]

could stay with restrictions or removed

[mighty osprey]

Okay, so no confirmation for now

[rugged seal]

i could see something like no attachments or 1-2 only being able to be added to it

[versed token]

Sharing attachment weight is probably something they would do

But i would prefer them cutting it completely instead of trying to balance it

[tough zinc]

yeah please get rid of that

[small matrix]

real

[small matrix]

yes otherwise long ago retired

[glad trench]

Keep the dual primaries, y’all act like people stay alive along enough for that to matter

[minor linden]

Yeah. It's likely that it'd be either the same as rn with small changes or be completely useless so they may as well just remove it

[thin pulsar]

Just makes it better for sniper campers

[glad trench]

So the most useless people on the team?

[stark leaf]

I dont know about you guys but i dont like new class sytem at all... It makes me not even buy the game...

[earnest fulcrum]

i don't mind it

[glad trench]

Then don’t buy the game

[stark leaf]

Why is it hard to listen community and put simple class weps just like BF1

[glad trench]

Half that blog post was them making changes based on feedback

They have a design direction that they’re sticking to with weapons.
It is what it is

[stark leaf]

well thats the half ppl wants the other half is not what ppl want

[minor linden]

Imo HL was better, but yeah. If it doesn’t really matter either way, then they should just give the community what it wants

[glad trench]

They’ve stated why they’re doing this, whether you believe it or not is on you

[stark leaf]

I mean if u want something to reach success just gives what most ppl want

[glad trench]

They say they have the data to say that overwhelming amount of players want the freedom to use the gun they want without class restrictions

[stark leaf]

Thats just a word , not an evidence i can say also anything for which i dont have proving

[rugged seal]

and gadgets (which gives classes their roles) are still locked

[stark leaf]

i mean for example Recon class you have sniper and pathfinder i mean honestly who would pick Pathfinder?

[glad trench]

BF fanbase really are the boomers of gaming. Completely unable to adapt to any change

[stark leaf]

ppl cant adapt from BF1 its not only one adapting

[glad trench]

I’d pick pathfinder because a frontlines/flanking recon is way more useful

[rugged seal]

pathfinder sounds a lot better than the sniper one

[stark leaf]

i respect that but for me who wanna play Recon class pathfinder is dogsh*t

[versed token]

It's definitely better if you don't wanna snipe

[tepid plinth]

No revive on headshots is going to be nasty

[stark leaf]

which is not bad ?

[glad trench]

Ya on headshots most snipers can’t hit

[versed token]

I'm probably gonna be a recon main just because of that

[mossy marten]

then don't select it? lol

[tepid plinth]

It’ll definitely make sniping more effective, but I can’t say I’m looking forward to get instantly spawn screened

[mossy marten]

eh, it's like Hardline, but snipers only

[stark leaf]

I just wanna say it would be much easier if they put 1 simple path for everyone

[glad trench]

I’ve been blown up in enough vehicles that instant spawn screen doesn’t bother me

[mossy marten]

why? having choices for what subclass you wanna run is nice
it's like BFV

[glad trench]

Two choices isn’t hard man

[rugged seal]

average sniper thinking

[stark leaf]

The choices u have to level in order to use them

[glad trench]

Average BF enthusiast thinking*

You pick 1 tree per game or w/e then level it. You’re not choosing between each tree on every level up in game

[tepid plinth]

With pathfinder you can enjoy some good close range recon. Recon is the one class I feel really does need an smg weapon as an actual option

[glad trench]

It’s just BFV specializations again mixed with BF4 perks

[stark leaf]

I mean dont get me wrong i respect what ppl like ,but i dont agree with that, so lets wait for open beta and see what community really likes

[tepid plinth]

Is it just the pathfinder tree you dislike or the premise of field perks?

[stark leaf]

Yes only pathfinder

[glad trench]

It’s literally just choosing perks like in BF4 but instead at level 3 you activate the final perk

[rugged seal]

what is even bad about pathfinder...?

[tepid plinth]

I do like the sound of it to be honest. Faster crouch movement will be nice, and the detection concealment makes it ideal for running into and countering those very snipers on the edge of sites

[stark leaf]

Ure more camper than usual

[rugged seal]

bruh

[stark leaf]

well u asked, thats just my opinion

[rugged seal]

pathfinder, the specialization that is for moving around MORE, is "more camper"

[mossy marten]

oh lordy

[glacial cliff]

I like the sound of the class training, based on the recon ones shown it sounds a lot like being able to really lean into your own personal definition of recon either being a sneaky prick or a long range demon.

[weak obsidian]

pathfinder is literally aggressive recon

[tepid plinth]

I know I’ll be sticking to sniper though for that headshot effect

[weak obsidian]

how does it promote more camping

[tepid plinth]

That feels too good to pass up

[glacial cliff]

I know that if I ever play either bf labs or bf6 when it comes out I am going to have a visceral hatred for that perk. I just already feel it.

[stark leaf]

Its just definition of playstyle doesnt mean all will play it aggressive

[rugged seal]

one of the takes of all time

[glacial cliff]

though on the other hand I am completely fine with it being headshot only, if it were all sniper kills then I'd be raising hell.

[weak obsidian]

someone who camps with a sniper is most likely going with the sniper tree

[tepid plinth]

I will hate it to no end too, guaranteed

Running from one point to the next, then someone 200m out just ends my life and forces a respawn

[weak obsidian]

quiet footsteps etc do not benefit campers because they don't move

[minor linden]

Iirc the perk before it reduces healing when you’re hit anywhere by a sniper

[tepid plinth]

Same goes for prox sensor hiding

[stark leaf]

maybe but not me, sinper tree is the tree i like the most

[weak obsidian]

so you're a camper...

[stark leaf]

No

[tepid plinth]

Well, I suppose that does actually help campers if it’s for countering prox nades instead of covering from pushing into tugs

[glacial cliff]

correct, but having seen frangible rounds in mw2 with how those also delayed healing, I think that'll be fiiiiiine, just forces you to take cover slightly longer.

[stark leaf]

Recon class is not rambo class

[weak obsidian]

headshot no revive sounds better than sweetspots lol

[stark leaf]

if u want to play way too aggresive then u pick assault

[minor linden]

Imma probably try to run a short zoom scope sniper on recon with the sniper tree. Running around getting no-revive kills at medium range is neat

[rugged seal]

so its the camper class?

[glacial cliff]

I like to think recon Pathfinder is more for a flanker play style to keep enemies on their toes, especially because of its quieter slow movement and detection evasion

[stark leaf]

But pulled by old exp while playing BF4 BF1 and V i really like that u cant revive after getting HS

[glacial cliff]

and honestly I can see perfectly how that fits into recon, sneaking behind enemy lines and being able to tell your teammates "hey, this group of people is approaching this objective from here" and even disrupt that push.

[stark leaf]

not its dynamic class more than just an camping

[tepid plinth]

Recon to me has always been about preventing repeeks, clearing the edges of maps and taking out those tighter defensive positions, which this does fit well into

[minor linden]

Every class is dynamic if you try hard enough

[stark leaf]

exaclty and move spot to spot

[glacial cliff]

Especially with how weapons aren't locked to specific classes I can imagine how interesting matches are going to get and how far each classes perks are going to be taken

[glacial cliff]

Recon Pathfinder with a SMG anyone?

[tepid plinth]

Smg and ar recon was such a fun playstyle

[stark leaf]

imagine Medic with Bazooka

[tepid plinth]

Would work tbh

You are still supporting, and they wouldn’t be able to infinitely replenish the rockets

[stark leaf]

but from all classes Engineer got meee interesting a bit

[minor linden]

Gadgets are locked to classes, but I think you can play a semi-medic since you can drag people away from the fight towards a medic

[stark leaf]

I like the part where u deal more dmg as eng to tanks etc

[glacial cliff]

Oh imagine, engineer with RPG and smokes backed by a support in this case

I can definitely see some good squad compositions coming from this

[stark leaf]

recon spot eng destroying

wombo combo

[rugged seal]

99% of these things wont happen unless you are playing with people you know

harsh truth

[stark leaf]

ofc i ll play with friends its 100x interesting

[glacial cliff]

id say good thing I have friends then but then you realize a lot of other people in the match are going to be running with randoms

[rugged seal]

yes the vast majority are solo

[stark leaf]

it will depend who game will release and will it be good

[rugged seal]

yet they have this fantasy where all 32 people work together in harmony

[tepid plinth]

In that case make points the incentivisor and tune them to get those people leaning towards something that although selfish, ends up achieving those similar goals

[glacial cliff]

even then though, imagine
recon Pathfinder flanking and giving callouts, engineer and assault duo for anti-tank and clearing room for the support to get revives

[glacial cliff]

powerhouse squad. easily.

[stark leaf]

maybe only on campaign rofl

[glacial cliff]

you severely underestimate what 4 co-ordinated people can make happen

[stark leaf]

nah i was kidding, its doble but need a lotta work and practice

[glacial cliff]

oh yeah it's only going to happen in squads that know what they're doing

but if/when it happens it is going to be beautiful to witness

[stark leaf]

exactly

I would also like that they bring to Portal BF1 or BF1942 and more modes which bf2042 port lack( Operations, Breakthrou and frontlines)

[hybrid hollow]

Hello everyone! Is it normal that I have access to the Battlefield Labs Discord section even though I only had access to the game for one weekend?

[rugged seal]

this channel is the public one

[hybrid hollow]

Oh ! Sorry my bad !

[minor linden]

Bf1 isn’t old enough to require a portal remaster

Id rather they make portal versions of Vietnam or Hardline

[hollow quarry]

what about 4?

[minor linden]

Eh. The main game is looking to be kinda like 4. 4 still has a decent population too

[hybrid hollow]

Wouldn't it be interesting to share the portal mode between games like warzone?

[minor linden]

Could be cool, yeah. Idk how well the 2042 portal stuff would transfer over tho

[weak obsidian]

I'll be mad as hell if they remaster Sinai

[stark leaf]

I d remade Vietnam and BF1942

[hollow quarry]

Also What about this? The Pathfinder Ability could only work with Sniper Rifles

[versed token]

No

[minor linden]

Fair. I’d personally remake HL and Vietnam because of their incredibly unique styling

I also just really like HL and want to play a version of it again

[hollow quarry]

What if they remade BF2?

[minor linden]

Would be cool, but they’d have to either forgo the unique class system or redesign the portal class system to be able to add more classes

[foggy root]

Hmm when I was just trying to switch my controls nothing was changing when I switched through the choices🤔

Shut it down restarted my box we’ll see what’s up

[hollow quarry]

what about 2142?

[glad trench]

Which Vietnam

BF Vietnam or BC2 Vietnam

[hollow quarry]

Can I say something? I understand people hate the class system. But I still think this game is going to be much better than 2042.

[safe moat]

I prefer classes being defined as what they can do instead of what guns they have access

Like I wanna play medic to heal and res people, not to just use shotguns

[hollow quarry]

Didnt I just say I understand?

[glad bane]

It's not hard to improve on garbage but even if the game is 3 times better than 2042 it's still worse than bf1 from 2016

[hollow quarry]

I never said it was gonna be better than 1

[weak obsidian]

1 is mid so what's your point

[glad bane]

1 is peak

[weak obsidian]

🤫

1 is the hype and aura game

the gameplay is doo doo

[hollow quarry]

I enjoy BF1, but 3 and 4 take the cake for me.

I don't care what anyone says

[rugged seal]

you act like thats a hot take lol

[hollow quarry]

Im aware its not a hot take

[minor linden]

Either or. I just like the vietnam style

[minor linden]

Well duh. This game isn't fundamentally broken

The campaign may be 2 years behind, but the MP is looking good

[hollow quarry]

Some people are acting like the game's gonna be worse than 2042.

[weak obsidian]

because people like being hyperbolic

[hollow quarry]

it gets on my nerves

but hey, I dont know if I've asked this or not, but which battlefield had the best gunplay?

[mint cobalt]

So… EA exec expects 100mil players, to buy and play the next Battlefield? Cool…

All I can say to those execs is to f**k off, let the devs cook, and if the game needs to be delayed? Delay it, not by 2 weeks, not by a month, delay it until it is ready, otherwise good luck trying to get the 100 million player count

[glad bane]

infantry being able to counter air without lock on rockets is peak

[mossy marten]

You can do that in any BF game
Just learn to lead and predict shots

If anything
It looks cooler than an airburst AA from bf1

[glad trench]

Back in 2016 everyone was calling it mid

[covert nest]

The foundations look quite decent

[glad trench]

Who said buy, there’s most likely going to be a F2P BR etc

[covert nest]

It will end up better than 2042.

[mint cobalt]

Well when you consider they failed twice with BFV and BF2042 (idk if players blame DICE for Star Wars Battlefront 2, to me I believe that is more of EA fault) I honestly don’t blame them for having a lack of hope

[glad trench]

BFV?

Where does this idea that BFV failed come from? The game sold well and a lot of people were consistently playing it well after they dropped support

Games that sell 15m and have a high, stable population for years isn’t a failure

Most that actually played it and didn’t rage baby about it agree that it had among the best moment to moment gameplay mechanics of the series

[mint cobalt]

Yes the BR will be f2p, the rest however you will have to pay for it if you want to play the multiplayer and the campaign they are not going to give the entire content for free

[glad trench]

DICE muffed up with focusing too much on super early WW2 battles that most people don’t know of and the TTK patching

And not including the Russians. The game is good

[minor linden]

They dropped support of it way too early

[glad trench]

Ya so no different than COD which sells like crazy

[glad trench]

Yuuuup

Doesn’t make it a failure, just means we’ll never know what its potential peak would’ve been with the eastern front

[hollow quarry]

battle royales are way too overused now

[minor linden]

Dropped an actually decent game just to make the "love letter" called 2042

[weak obsidian]

literally any BF game:

[glad trench]

EA not making firestorm f2p was the domino that led to them dropping BFV and BF2 support to go all in on 2042 to make a BR lmao

[glad bane]

try to counter air with support in bf4 lol

[exotic marten]

Does anyone know how to play the btf labs playtest?

[minor linden]

Wasn't 2042 originally an extraction shooter, not a BR?

[glad trench]

Same thing same

F2P firestorm would’ve made them $$$ and continued BFV support

[weak obsidian]

you play engineer

the dedicated anti vehicle class

[glad bane]

or play bf1 and always have some sort of counter play other than redeploy

[minor linden]

Your counterplay is called spotting them and running through buildings until an engineer gets them. They can't kill you if they can't see you

[weak obsidian]

it's called letting your engineers handle it as anti-vehicle isn't your role

[minor linden]

If you're a recon then you can use the bino thing to mark them. Otherwise, your best choice is getting out of their sightline

[glad trench]

Put a Boris turret down to harass them

[minor linden]

It's like dealing with a sniper when you have a shotgun

[glad bane]

not fun for me, I like to have something to do while I play but if you think hiding in a building waiting for your team is fun, you do you

[weak obsidian]

you are skibidi

hey if you're support you could help out by resupplying your engineers

#teamplay!!!

[minor linden]

You don't have to hide in a building? You just have to stay out of their sightlines. Buildings are the easiest way to do that, but you can def do it without going in buildings and hiding in a corner

[mint cobalt]

Well that is what happens when players count declines and demanding DICE to give up on the game, to focus on the next title, you end up with BF2042, and when it happened again with BF2042, instead of accepting it had a terrible launch, you guys treated BF2042 the same way you treated BFV, but that is from my perspective, all I can say is here to BF6, let’s hope we don’t have to go through this for the third time in a row,

for me, I am not going to get BF6, I am going to wait after Launch Day to see what the reception will be

[mint lantern]

holy

[minor linden]

The difference is that BFV had terrible marketing and 2042 was a terrible game (on launch)

So far, bf6 has both good marketing and a good MP

[crimson moss]

not a real thing

resupply engineers and they will probs ignore the plane or just wont be able to kill it anyway

[mint cobalt]

But it was the launch days that ruined the perception of those two games

[minor linden]

Well yeah. BF6 has good public perception so far though

[glad bane]

"I disagree therefore name calling"

[zenith trout]

I am seeing more negative public perception on BF6 than positive

Don’t know where you got positive from

[weak obsidian]

address the points I made

[minor linden]

The only bad perception I've seen is about the class weapons and that one insider leak. Besides for that, it's mostly positive critiquing

[zenith trout]

Nope

The game feels like COD

[minor linden]

Imo that's fine as long as we're talking about old cod

[zenith trout]

New COD

[minor linden]

There's also the whole crossplay thing that makes everything feel faster

[weak obsidian]

I think MW19 has good gunplay so that's fine by me

[minor linden]

(They really just need to remove crossplay atp)

[rugged seal]

gotta be a skill issue

[zenith trout]

MW2019 is arguably the worst COD game ever and it started the beginning of SBMM and the whole downfall of the COD franchise

[mint cobalt]

Like I said, I hope so,

I also hope the community can understand, that just because a game is broken, doesn’t mean it is permanent, take Alien: Colonial Marines, everyone thought that game was a broken mess and cannot be fixed, but it turns out that broken mess was caused because of a typo in the games coding!!!

[minor linden]

Console and PC play inherently differently. PC can aim and move with more precision and speed than console.

There's a reason a lot of console players thing bf was more milsim. It's because, for them, it was. Most console players have never even heard of any of the PC movement tech and see it all as a bunch of nonsense that they don't want to deal with.

[weak obsidian]

that award goes to MW22

[glad trench]

BFV had a shit PR storm before launch

[weak obsidian]

BF6 doesn't have insane SBMM so whatever

[minor linden]

"if you don't like it, don't buy it"

[weak obsidian]

genuinely baffling people kept their pre-orders after the 2042 beta

[glad trench]

Well console players have literal zero idea what a Milsim is as it wasn’t until really recently that milsim-ish games started coming to console

[glad trench]

I mean, they weren’t wrong. They decided to engage with the gamergate losers rather than ignoring them is their mistake

[minor linden]

Yeah, that's fair. BF really is the most milsim thing they saw at that time

I do admit that fully removing crossplay would be a mistake, but it shouldn't be a fully open crossplay system. Console should only play with console unless they're running K&M or partying with a PC player where they get put in PC matches

PC players should never be in console matches

[mint cobalt]

So did BF2042 after launch, the devs statement about there Holidays, and how they had to delay their content release to June, so the they have time to assess the problems, the only difference there was the Exposure map had a better reception then Panzerstorm

[nova harness]

If/when someone gets into the labs beta is there a separate discord server or somewhere they announce things for those people?

[mint cobalt]

Oh right I almost forgot about the Santa Boris controversy

[merry ermine]

christmas tree casper

[covert nest]

Freeman shutting down the social media manager for KFC gaming was so fucking funny

[vivid dagger]

Seems to be yea

[rugged seal]

this is not the server to discuss the playtest btw

[stiff ingot]

Okay

[summer socket]

Where is the server?

[wise aurora]

Also need the erver

[rugged seal]

if you were invited then you would have everything you need sent to your email

[vivid dagger]

The link hardly even got me set up on discord properly haha

[wise aurora]

Oh yeah? Well I was invited and no discord link

[summer socket]

Yeah no email provided anything about discord

[wise aurora]

Oh workshop

[rugged seal]

well either you were invited for only the 72 hour test or you havent looked in your inboxes

[glad bane]

If you're using an lmg in a good position with a bipod and the enemy plane is going in a straight line you can usually force them to fly away or do more manuvers making it harder for both you and them to hit.

If you don't have a good position with an lmg or you have a different weapon you still can do some small amount of damage to the plane and might be able to scare him off or if you decide to hide, you just need to wait for the plane to do it's attack run and then you have a window where you can run while the plane is reloading and turning around, unlike helicopters that can stay in the same are for however long they like or until they get shoot down.

If your entire squad starts lighting up the plane with bolt actions, smgs and semi autos than you can together take out a plane with teamplay even though you don't really have optimal weapons for it.

While I do love BF4, in some situations all you can really do is wait in a building for the enemy helicopter to leave or for nearby teammates to hopefully take it out if there are any, which I don't really find to be interesting gameplay. Because of the safe window where the plane needs to reload and reposition I think even without bullets being able to damage planes the infantry air gameplay is a lot more interesting than bf4.

[weak obsidian]

I don't mind a little chip damage from small arms to air vehicles but I think the LMGs in 1 did too much damage to them

[glad bane]

I do think that's fair

the bf1 lmgs with bipod were to much of a laser

[weak obsidian]

it kinda demphasises the point of assault in 1 which was anti vehicle

[weak obsidian]

unlimited ammo as well

[glad bane]

it was still the only reliable way of dealing with tanks but I do see what you mean but I think it made for more interesting gameplay with more choices of how to handle situations with planes

[pallid briar]

I see the BF Community is responding the way I'd expect from what the updated class system was shown

[slate light]

They could nerf the CD of the supply box or how many you can place at one time, but instead they just have to nerf the supply power of that box

every other class is either powerful enough or be seeing a buff, but Support, not only do they have the only gun passive that won't help them at all in a gunfight, but also their only team play feature nerfed

it's like, hey you support is here to supply your team, and it's your only job, but now we're gonna nerf your ability to do that only job

what caused it? the free choice of weapons

[glad trench]

Damn I guess support lost access to faster revives and revive while dragging

[glad trench]

What causes the supply crate nerf… certainly not the amount of supply crates being dropped or how much they resupply heal you.

It’s the unlocked weapons

[rugged seal]

thats some crazy thinking lol

[crystal patio]

God I hope the next BF game gets as much as possible right! My bones have been shaking for it since BF1 😭
Also not to ask the same question a lot of others have asked, but is 2042 alright now? Would a casual+ fan enjoy it or is it not really in the spirit at much as we hope still?

[pallid rover]

are we complaining about nerfs in a game that’s not even announced

[crystal patio]

Lmao I love that

[weak obsidian]

you also revive, which is arguably more important

[crystal patio]

I'm just happy BF is letting us know way more than before? I haven't been around or active in that long

[cedar flax]

I cycle through 4, V and 2042 depending on my mood, I find 2042 fine even with the still-present specialist system. I have not had any major glitches in recent memory, which is a plus.

[crystal patio]

Thats good thanks! :D

I was ultra mega upset the fact that 2042 wasn't perfect. My most favorite themes for fps games are near future shooters with gadgets that aren't real but not impossible 💥

I doubt the next BF is gonna do that again but who knows

[glad trench]

You’re gonna have to turn secure boot on if it’s not on to play 2042 fyi

[crystal patio]

Secure boot? I feel like I should know

[cedar flax]

If you have never turned it off, it is most likely on.

[narrow basalt]

Can i use sniper as support?

[slate light]

it is, but my expectations for random support teammate falls more on their supply ability than their reviving ability.
though there are some field medics who would risk their lives to revive blue dots this I'll admit, but the ratio is just so small

[misty anvil]

What Is The Type of Battlefield Labs?

[tepid plinth]

Alpha

[slow lintel]

in the alpha you can

[cedar flax]

Most "Medics," in Battlefield and games at large are in name only, same with all support classes.

[vocal axle]

My god Reddit is stupid. That is all.

[kindred haven]

i think whoever is working on the new class Identity for bf6 is a little lost

support now has a defib...

i think there is no hope, just play bf4 and hope for a remake

like fundamentally

if they sont get this right in the very first version of the bf labs how will this ever be right, its not that hard, its been done right in several previous installments and the community keeps saying that they dont want it open ended

[weak obsidian]

that's because they are the medic!

you people are so hyperbolic

[rugged seal]

He is truly showing the genius of the battlefield playerbase

[weak obsidian]

people really be like if this game is not identical to 3 or 4 I am bombing EA and DICE HQ

[magic obsidian]

Just give us Bad Company 3

[weak obsidian]

what does that even mean

[slate light]

I'm just sick of the idea of worrying about ammo within supply box

[tough zinc]

yeah cause support is medic plus classic support

nothing weird about it

[agile lynx]

So I played the alpha for the first time yesterday at 1pm EST than it said it was available again at 7pm I go to play and the severs were shit snd unplayble
Are the servers gonna come back up today or i gotta wait till the next test ?

[versed token]

Casually breaking NDA

[merry ermine]

That notwithstanding I imagine they don't keep all servers active during the playtesting. They aren't likely going for full capacity at all times, just testing a version of the game that has specific things enabled.

[sweet yoke]

At this point. Since it's beyond a pain to even get chosen. If someone is able to get in and has questions the hell with NDA. Who cares. Honestly as long as you're not leaking vids etc. That I have an issue with. This whole lab situation is a joke. It's best to just wait for an open beta. It's not worth the hassle with bf labs.

[tepid plinth]

It’s not really much hassle anyway, press a button and just hope

Yeah it’s annoying that it isn’t a fully open thing, as we all feel like our own feedback is the best that can be given to make something we each enjoy since everyone here wants a hand in shifting its direction

[pale dew]

👍

[golden vortex]

Labs is what Labs is. It's not for everyone. It's not a traditional beta. There's nothing wrong with not liking it and then just not interacting with it.

Gamers are not used to "not being let in". Labs is more like real life in that sense. Sometimes you are just not invited to stuff and that's fine.

[glad trench]

Most games usually don’t make their extremely small closed test public info

[versed token]

There will be an open beta later down the line, it's a closed alpha for now though

[glad trench]

2042 had a closed tech alpha that most people still don’t know existed

[sweet yoke]

Which is exactly why If somebody does get in and has questions here who cares about NDA. As long as your not leaking anything. Who gives a blank.

[versed token]

You should probably care if you're under NDA since your account could get terminated

[golden vortex]

Well, if the "extreme small" tests in previous games had not caught enough data or opinions or that info was too late, perhaps then this new approach is an attempt of making a better game as the end result.

Yes, some might not like Labs, but if it ultimately leads to a better game, perhaps it's worth it.

It's at least worth thinking about. If 2042 had Labs before the release, maybe it would have released in a better state.

Even though it might have pissed some people off with them not getting into labs or having to abide by an NDA.

[glad trench]

I agree, labs was done with actual time to implement changes.

The 2042 tech alpha happened like mid July before launch

I’ve personally never understood the hysteria people get about not getting selected to an EXTREMELY limited playtest where at best you get 2 hours of play time every 2-3 weeks

[tall urchin]

Because those people know better than the devs and have a vision for the game! They'll be the one to fix Battlefield!

[golden vortex]

huh

[tall urchin]

In regards to the hysteria from players not being invited to a very small focus test

[kindred haven]

no they arent

assault

engineer, support and recon

its not that hard: https://www.ign.com/wikis/battlefield-4/Classes

maybe bf7 or embark makes a game to rival bf next then its gg

[solar jackal]

When is the next test?

[glad trench]

Hey guys, medic isn’t named assault/medic anymore so it must not be a medic

[misty torrent]

gtfo

scamming weirdo

[glad trench]

@rugged seal https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1ly3wu7/so_the_support_class_can_have_the_ammomed_bag_and/

[ruby merlin]

???

[golden vortex]

Scam from compromised accounts, which is everywhere atm.

[ruby merlin]

Shut up scammer

@past valley compromised accounts/scamming

[storm valve]

It's a scam

[next gate]

they are just spam bots...

still trying to scam but they won't say anything beyond the scripted text

[weak obsidian]

this might be crazy but BF1 didn't have this class set up

[kindred haven]

might be crazy

maybe i might be crazy, but bf1 used the exact same one as bf4 just with different names

so never was there a guy with a lmg that had a defib

up until now that is

[mossy marten]

It did not use the same layout

[weak obsidian]

bad company 2:

[kindred haven]

assault (engineer) smg / antitank
medic (assault) mid range weapons / healing / res
support (support) lmg / ammo / supporting gadgets
scout (sniper) sniper / longrange / recon

bf6: support has lmg and defib

i think i rest my case here if this gets shipped like this the community will be very unhappy

[rugged seal]

I dont think you will see very many supports running reviving with an lmg lol

[cedar flax]

When I picture a Medic specifically, an LMG makes no sense to be being carried by one.

But for a general support person who is not functioning as a Medic, bringing supplies and helping support the defense instead of pushing an offense, I could see it.

[weak obsidian]

90% of people don't care, class structure changes every 2 games

[kindred haven]

i think they do

have you seen the social media post they made about this?

[weak obsidian]

social media does not equal 90% of the playerbase 💀

[kindred haven]

on any platform you can go look at it the people commenting on the newest post they just made they arent really that happy

[weak obsidian]

vocal minority etc

[rugged seal]

People on social media are mad about something? Im shocked!

[tall urchin]

People also get mad over things that don't impact gameplay but are radio silent about shit like wallhacks, auto spotting, etc what a shock

[kindred haven]

i think i saw a few reddit posts after today for all the people that didnt know this yet and a few yt videos

[weak obsidian]

my main gripe is that they still have fire support gadgets like mortars and XM25

[weak obsidian]

oh wow... a few reddit posts... blimey!

[kindred haven]

i think personally its not that hard to just do it right but it seems like the labs programm is not doing anything to give feedback to the game and its systems else this would have been changed months ago

[rugged seal]

In the game where weapons are already unlocked it really isnt an issue anyways

[tall urchin]

Or, hear me out, people giving feedback don't care about weapons locked behind classes!

[weak obsidian]

or maybe Labs testers are content with the current structure?

[kindred haven]

no it is an issue for the fundamentel role for that class

[rugged seal]

Sorry bud but I dont need an lmg to play the role of anti tank

[weak obsidian]

not really.

[kindred haven]

who said this bro 🥀

support is suppresion and supporting gadgets he also carries a lmg

for some reason nobody knows why this is a thing he carries the defib now

[rugged seal]

Ok?

[weak obsidian]

because support also heals lol

[rugged seal]

In 2042 lmg is for engineers, that's why I brought up it not being an issue in the game where weapons are unlocked already

[weak obsidian]

bad company 2 medics carried LMGs so eh

[kindred haven]

when

[weak obsidian]

with their supply crate!

[kindred haven]

wtf is this guy saying bro

[weak obsidian]

guy who's not tapped in at all:

[glad trench]

dude is a BF4 bot, literally has no frame of reference for anything in this series if it didn't come from BF4

[weak obsidian]

mf just be saying shit 💀💀💀

[rotund pier]

Are you complaining without having played or seen anything or

[versed token]

Support heals/revs and gives ammo now

Heals and ammo come from the same crate

[rugged seal]

Dude is acting like lmgs are the most popular and OP gun in every game

[tall urchin]

How about instead of suppression you can just kill them instead?

People really overintellectualize and romanticize combat in BF games to degrees it doesn't even remotely involve.

[glad trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_4/comments/21d0b4/popularity_of_all_bf4_weapons_20_520_kills/

no one show him the BF4 weapon distribution. wonder how long it takes for lmgs to crack the list

[versed token]

Actually not that bad

[glad trench]

a bunch of carbines making the top 10 really throws water on the "weapons need to be locked for engagement readability" and class identity argument

[rugged seal]

An unlocked class weapon being #1 wow dice sucks I can't believe they unlocked weapons!!11!!1

[glad trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1lydqdt/battlefield_4_weapon_kill_distribution_breakdown/

more data BF4 purists who want locked classes are going to hate

[leaden kraken]

As much as I want class locked weapons, I'll probably just use the Signature weapon for each class, except maybe replacing the Engineer's SMG with an assault rifle since the only benefit is hip fire control. I generally play each class with their respective weapons in 4/2042, unless the map requires otherwise, or i just want to have fun with shotguns. Whether that's what most people will do, I don't know. I try to stick to my class role on the team.

[tall urchin]

That's infinitely more important than considering what the enemy class might be using.

What role and equipment suits your play and lets you achieve that goal. If a medic is 30pm away trying to snipe they were never going to play the role of a medic so locking their weapon choice just means they're going to do the exact same thing on recon. They won't magically turn into a team player.

[glad trench]

ya but now they're useless AND unkillable

[leaden kraken]

I didn't think we'd go back to BFBC2 with the Support and Medic roles being combined, but I'm cool with that

[glad trench]

what do you mean, BC2 had the assault giving out ammo

[leaden kraken]

I mean Medic having the LMGs

[tall urchin]

Unmovable object and unbothered force all in one.

[pulsar kraken]

man after playing BF1 i realize how much I miss dynamic weather events

[leaden kraken]

I will say that the "We see your suggestions to revert to previous systems and are keeping this in mind" statement doesn't go over well with me. It sounds like "we heard your feedback on a core component of BF and aren't going to listen." Imo the BF class system is a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Change the roles, add more utility, add a 5th or 6th class even, but each one being aimed towards a particular role on the team allowed both solo and squad players to score and have fun just by playing the game while contributing to the overall team.

[pulsar kraken]

for some reason hourglass doesnt cut it

[glad trench]

ya cuz hourglass is an awful map lmao

[pulsar kraken]

i guess BF1 doesnt have helicopters making open fields actual hell

[pulsar kraken]

if you had to add another class what would it be? idk if ive thought about this much

an officer class centered around call ins would be sick (maybe hard to balance in certain maps)

also i just miss BF5 artillery it was so cool

[leaden kraken]

Probably have 5, Assault, (Anti infantry and grenades) Engineer, (Anti armor and air support) Medic, (revives and healing) Support, (suppressing fire and ammo resupply) and Recon. (Sniping and spotting)

It defines the roles more

[weak obsidian]

heavy bombers ...

[rugged seal]

Post this in the blog post if you haven't yet

[leaden kraken]

If I was going to add a new one, the Specialist from Bad Company 1 could be fun, with suppressed SMGs and C4, to infiltrate enemy lines and assassinate important targets and destroy objectives and vehicles. Though I understand BF is a very different game now, and you could just customize your Assault or Engineer class to do the same thing.

[leaden kraken]

Like a version of the Officer from Battlefront II, that could be interesting

[cedar flax]

I love the Officer in Battlefront 2.

[pulsar kraken]

yeah this is why im excited for the new pathfinder specialization

[cedar flax]

That is the only non-specialty I play personally.

[crimson moss]

how does this matter

[crimson moss]

itll be an extremely unused mechanic in the game

[pulsar kraken]

yeah 😔

[rugged seal]

Its just another insane made up scenario that people dont actually use in a game

[crimson moss]

also imo its more of a milsim mechanic if anything

[weak obsidian]

it isn't identical to BF4

[crimson moss]

yeah but why does it matter if a medical class player has an lmg

you can just play it like any other gun in the game with its own quirks

[weak obsidian]

it isn't identical to BF4 therefore it's bad!

[rugged seal]

Because not like old game = bad I guess

[leaden kraken]

The mortar strike binoculars could be the unique gadget for an Officer class

[crimson moss]

no one prones the entire game with mgs to spam random fire into random places thinking its an effective gameplay decision

[pulsar kraken]

the funnies

[crimson moss]

unless braindead

[rugged seal]

Well there are a lot of braindead bf players

[crimson moss]

thats for certain lol

[pulsar kraken]

BF4 mechanic or public execution, your choice.

[glad trench]

median BF player is tiers dumber than the median CoD player and I'll die on that hill

[crimson moss]

idk i wouldnt want some thirdparty thing interfiering with my game honestly

[crimson moss]

idk about that

[glad trench]

I've never met dumber people in a video game "community" than here. And I've played MMOs for 20+ years

[crimson moss]

maybe mechanically less skilled but cod players cant even use their own aim to play a fps game

[weak obsidian]

my main gripe with the class system is that support has fire support gadgets

[glad trench]

have you seen the stats for most of these people? AA couldn't help them

[crimson moss]

and cod has a "fairly large" esports scene

[pulsar kraken]

Idk man we're stupid but CoD players are another level

[weak obsidian]

xm25 should be moved to assault

[crimson moss]

so its bound to attract more "skillful" players

[crimson moss]

even in actual competitive game your average player is absurdly bad

like the pro tier players arent even comperable to your usual top 1% thats how big the gap is in some games

[pulsar kraken]

CoD players are dumb enough to all have the same exact opinion, we're just too dumb to make any productive thoughts

[crimson moss]

in a lot of games your average player is always average

[glad trench]

nah BF "community" is as hiveminded in idiocy as possible

[tall urchin]

Hard to say, there's so many artificial skill aspects to that game that enable bad players to make bad plays with no skill investment and still get away with something. I'd say a modern CoD player probably would play worse with AA removed than a BF player (though I agree BF player decision making is probably worse)

[crimson moss]

yeah nah bf for sure has some of the worst fps players

[pulsar kraken]

me!

[leaden kraken]

Of course I know him, it's me

[glad trench]

all the people who think this is a milsim and enter every building PIEing it with his 3 squad members

[crimson moss]

idk

they are 2 very different games

a good cod player will play extremely bad in battlefield more than likely

and a good battlefield player id actually say might have an easier time converting to cod than a cod player converting to battlefield

[pulsar kraken]

victorian child vs baja blast

[glad trench]

nah other than flying give a good CoD player a day or two to adjust and learn the maps a little and they'd be good BF players

[rugged seal]

I still see people throw frag grenades on capture points when there isnt any enemy around but still feel the need to "clear it" or some shit

[crimson moss]

those good cod players youre talking about use auto rotation aim assist

[tall urchin]

Yeah, BF players have worse decision making and prioritization because they misunderstand the game while CoD players are bad but just propped up by insane RAA and visual clutter that hinders their opponents more. Two very different aspects.

[crimson moss]

cod is a purely mechanical game i wouldnt call it an fps game

[glad trench]

imagine using frag grenades over smokes

[pulsar kraken]

maybe im biased because my old roomate always played cod and he was just stupid in general but especially at video games

[pulsar kraken]

smokes my beloved

[crimson moss]

its the fact that battlefield inherently is just actually fairly hard to master to a high level because the game is constantly changing and with 32v32 players theres an absurd amount of random stuff that you cant really predict

[tall urchin]

Also yes

[pulsar kraken]

I think ultrakill lets me turn my brain off more than BF

[crimson moss]

like you could put some major winning cs player on battlefield and he would be confused the entire time because its insanely difficult to understand not only what your own teammates are actively doing but also your enemies

[leaden kraken]

I love Ultrakill but I can't play it for more than about an hour at a time because it gives me headaches lol

[crimson moss]

whilist in cod they pretty much have constant active coms and the playerfield is much smaller and much better to predict and understand

on top of aim assist that will just hard track someone through a wall before they even peek

[pulsar kraken]

use the headaches

[glad trench]

eh, the initial confusion from the BF chaos is quickly overcame by people who are good at games

a good CS player would adjust within a week. BF ain't that deep or hard to do good in

[crimson moss]

im a 4-5kpm player and its a completely senseless game

[pulsar kraken]

on the other hand i think CS is more complicated than BF is lol

[crimson moss]

no one holds proper angles, positions are completely bad, random or extremely hard to predict out of 32 enemies

on top of your teammates doing none of the above aswell

[leaden kraken]

You can play BF mindlessly, but it's more fun if you try to do what your class is supposed to do rather than just throw yourself at objectives

[crimson moss]

you could have some random neg kd player proning in an empty area for the past 20 minutes and kill you

[glad trench]

the amount of times I've died because I trusted a teammate to continue to camp a stairwell etc

[crimson moss]

so you pretty much have to micromanage yourself against 32 players completely alone because the 1kpm players and below, even 2kpm players are very incompetent a lot of the times

[pulsar kraken]

oh god when i was playing BF1 earlier i went 10/17 melee only this is about me

[crimson moss]

and keep in mind a cod player isnt really allowed to play aggressive movement the way you can in cod either

the timing of everything is probably the hardest to catch onto

but a good bf player can probably get away with being good at punishing those said players

because these random zergers appear out of everywhere and id say they would probably better predict a lot of things like that

on top of battlefield requiring more awareness due to larger map and larger teams ingeneral

I also think thats one of the reaosns why battlefield players are “so bad” is because its just very hard to take all of that in

[fair summit]

Oh yes another superior man is here, forgot about i_pickle_you the legend

[crimson moss]

I met a top 500 r6 player that had 1kpm in bf1 i think

[fair summit]

U had like 5 captured flags when we saw ur stats

Time ago

[glad trench]

post your stats

or keep ducking

[rugged seal]

His psn is connected to his discord

[weak obsidian]

I've seen em

it's um... not good

[rugged seal]

Bold move to criticize others with his stats

[glad trench]

doesn't pop up for me

[fair summit]

Im exactly against judging people for their kdr because for me thats not bf

[rugged seal]

#stats

[fair summit]

Its them who talk about kdr all the time, not me

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

big ooof

[glad trench]

nah I'm judging your SPM

and win%

[fair summit]

Idc mate its not me playing the superior being

I have fun in games thats it, im pro at Souls games though lets 1vs1

[crimson moss]

Likely no and wouldnt matter anyway

[fair summit]

Besides im almost 30 and got fiber this year, all my life had a 11mb and 80 ping connection lmao

[minor linden]

Imo it's more fun to do challenges like pistols only than to sweat the whole game trying to get a slightly higher k/d

I'm not saying that going for k/d or kpm is bad, but it's not what everyone should go for

[fair summit]

Yeah I totally agree stats in bfs are worthless, they make sense in Cs go or r6

[minor linden]

stats in any game without a ranking system are pointless, yeah

It can be fun to get high stats tho, so I don't like hating on people for trying to get high stats

[rugged seal]

Seeing someone's stats is important to me if they argue or make claims on how the game should be played

[crimson moss]

Yeah but you dont realize that a lot of good players dont need to put in much effort or sweat to get good kpm or kd because its just not very difficult

[fair summit]

I agree

[minor linden]

I think the bigger indicator in that is if they're pc or console

[glad trench]

it's braindead easy to be top 10 score in every match (assuming you didn't join late)

[crimson moss]

Score doesnt mean anything

[minor linden]

Imo pc gamers should be listened to more for gunplay and movement since they are the ones able to actually use it

And I say this as a console gamer

[crimson moss]

I proned mg on verdun all game and got 60 kills and 13k score as top player

[glad trench]

it's a good indicator you're actively playing and doing stuff that "helps" the team

[crimson moss]

In the span of like 15 minutes

[glad trench]

sounds like you knew the right place to be to help the team

[fair summit]

What if he goes hunting to increase kdr and never gets a flag or pushes with the team how much is he helping?

[crimson moss]

Ive actually thought of making a video on it just to show how little effort and how little you have to do for that

[fair summit]

Yes teach us

[crimson moss]

You realize that the team that gets more kills more than likely wins more flags, counters more attacks and defends flags more effectively than the team that gets less

[fair summit]

If the kills don't help zone capture its not true

[minor linden]

Be careful. If more people actually put in more effort, then it won't be possible anymore

[crimson moss]

No ones hunting to increase kd

[crimson moss]

Sure but the more pressured team that kills less and has less players alive will more than likely lose map control and objective control

[fair summit]

I'm not saying they're useless because they do score points afterall but imo its always better to team push in order to get a zone

[crimson moss]

You get kills as you push up with your team

Also flanking is important for example my team is stuck in a choke, i flank to clear that choke my team is stuck on so they could advance up

Its not just about puppy following your teammates

#screenshots-and-clips message i dont think i could really get a much better representation of this but my team lost by 300 points

Because they were dead more often than alive and their team on average had much more kills

Its just not possible to win a game with a team thats not competent enough to counter or flank or get kills on attacks

[rugged seal]

I would just post it in #screenshots-and-clips and link the message here just in case you get caught in the scam stuff lol

[short basalt]

ur lvl 100+ tm8 got outfragged by a low rank

[crimson moss]

Levels dont say much

But it was also fairly hard to play against a team like that in a team like that

[fair summit]

I was talking about the fun and experience part of the game other than raw data, many people pushing together, team cooperation and so on it's so much more beautiful than bunch of lone wolves (sorry auto corrector)

[crimson moss]

So your average player will suffer much more and its easier for them to kill more because their team allows them to play much more effectively

[crimson moss]

Yeah but cooperation doesnt really happen outside of comp games

Ill send a video of what actual and proper teamplay is compared to your usual lobbies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1qUQNR0fJQ

[short basalt]

a lvl 150 compared to a lvl 9 says a lot

[crimson moss]

Video from a battlefield 4 tournament fnatic vs sk gaming

Active communication, refragging, holding proper team positions, paying attention to one another to refrag and to counter things their teammates cant and so on so forth

In a usual match your teammate will pretty much spectate you get killed, he wont frag during the time someones shooting at them they just stare and go in shock

[short basalt]

its battlefield bro no one really cares that much its just about fun

[crimson moss]

Yeah but teamplay isnt what battlefield players think it is

[fair summit]

Yeah lmao bunch of ppl running together is the best u can hope for

[minor linden]

Eh. Levels just mean you've played the game for longer

[crimson moss]

Like they think doing the bare minimum is hard teamplaying

Like puppy following other teammates around and maybe giving some meds occasionally

Like it isnt that much of a help

[tall urchin]

Hell even if you're just queued with a friend you're hard stacking even if you don't even push together or go for squad revives unless convenient

[crimson moss]

Coordinating pushes, coordinating frags, coordinating rotations and flanks

Yeah a team thats maybe not even really good at the game for example the screenshot i posted, the vg players are like average players at best but because they are in vc and know how to look out for eachother they hard rolled the entire game and had decent results

[short basalt]

bro its a video game and its battlefield at that its not battlefield ranked

[crimson moss]

It doesnt have to be a ranked game for you to do basic teamplay tasks

[minor linden]

It's kinda interesting that typical ranked can only happen in BF when you remove like 2/3 of the game

[crimson moss]

Like i see my teammate pushing up some random flanks behind im going to check out for that and counter that so he can actually continue with his play

Its super basic inreality

[short basalt]

people may be doing challenges or playing w friends u aint gotta cry when u dont get ur way in an old game

[crimson moss]

No ones crying lol

Im just giving a reality check on what proper communicated teamplay actually is

[short basalt]

bros typing full paragraphs

[crimson moss]

What about them being longer sentences

Im just explaining fairly indepth and bringing out various teamplay situations

No ones crying over it

[short basalt]

i refuse to believe people like u exist irl ☠️

[crimson moss]

?

[zenith trout]

Honestly who’s actually hyped for BF6? Game just feels like a grittier version of 2042.

[crimson moss]

Yeah no

Mechanically entirely different it cant feel like 2042

[zenith trout]

Yeah yes

[short basalt]

honestly yes

[minor linden]

I'm slightly hyped. Def not preordering though unless they release an amazing open beta

[zenith trout]

Where is it different mechanically from 2042? I’ll wait

[crimson moss]

💀

Gadgets, classes, movement, maps

Gunplay, vehicle play

[short basalt]

"mechanical"

[zenith trout]

[fair summit]

Classes different = gadgets

[minor linden]

what do you classify as mechanical?

[crimson moss]

Yes

[fair summit]

Oh and perks

[crimson moss]

Gadgets are mechanically different, vehicles are mechanicslly different, weapons and gunplay are mechanically different

[short basalt]

maps isnt mechanical its simple ui

[crimson moss]

Thats true ig

[minor linden]

I'm pretty sure they meant the physical maps that you run around on lol

[zenith trout]

Maps is horrendous, classes are exactly like 2042, movement Is exactly like 2042, Gadgets play the same as 2042.

[covert nest]

If you want to get them to work a certain way then sure

[crimson moss]

Pretty sure they announced that they will bring back bf5 like movement which is entirely different in every way lol

[zenith trout]

This game is cooked at launch ngl

[minor linden]

I don't see any specialists tho?

Those were a core aspect of 2042's class system

[short basalt]

need bf3 movement back

[crimson moss]

2042 has no lean, no roll, no crouch run, no roll, no crawling on your back, it has bhopping it

[zenith trout]

Omg There’s no specialists in BF6 and actual real soldiers?! like that’s not a core thing in battlefield 🤦‍♂️

[crimson moss]

Yeah jump peeking was pretty fun

[minor linden]

Imo 90% of the movement conversation could be solved by nerfing crossplay

[covert nest]

Gazelle jumping

[mossy marten]

looks at leaked footage
I need what Gunther is smoking lol

[short basalt]

bro what

[zenith trout]

I’m not smoking anything the game looks shit and plays like shit it’s needs more time in the oven.

[minor linden]

PC and Console play completely differently. PC has always been faster because of movement glitches and the ability to aim faster and more accurate

[crimson moss]

Nah

[minor linden]

A lot of the slow-bf crowd are console people that never saw the faster paced gameplay before 2042

[crimson moss]

You still need proper movement mechanics for the game to be playable

[weak obsidian]

my man lying for no reason 😭😭😭

[mossy marten]

Bro you smoking something if you think the new BF looks and plays anything like 2042 lol
It doesn't look anything like 2042 in gunplay and movement

[covert nest]

Will he call you guys shills now let's see

[mossy marten]

I'm waiting for it
I'm just saying facts

[zenith trout]

I’m not lying the game is a heavier version of 2042

[crimson moss]

Battlefield 1 is the best example of why you want some form of movement mechanics, you cant peek corners so you gadget spam corners which is just insanely cancer to play against and destroys the way the game is played imo

[weak obsidian]

I've had multiple friends who played the May stress test say it's awesome I don't really think what you say matters

[minor linden]

Well yeah. I just personally don't want console to have to deal with it cause pc has an advantage over console unless they add insane AA

[weak obsidian]

the only thing you do in this chat is ragebait poorly

[zenith trout]

It’s not just me it’s for a lot of people as well

[minor linden]

PC should get all the movement they want, but console shouldn't have to deal with it 24/7

[short basalt]

horrible ragebait tbh

[crimson moss]

Yeah i know but good movement should exist regardless

[weak obsidian]

guy who hasn't played the game :

[zenith trout]

I’ve played the game

[short basalt]

on mnk u actually have to learn to aim tho not like aim assist console

[minor linden]

📸 broke the nda

[covert nest]

Lol

[weak obsidian]

broke the NDA award

[crimson moss]

Very debatable tbh

Id say that battlefield aim assist is very mundane compared to other games which is completely fine

[fair summit]

Hurry call 911

[minor linden]

1 thumb vs your whole arm

I do think AA should be moved back to how it used to be tho if it's gotten more powerful

[crimson moss]

But it also means that pretty much any average player will pretty much hard shit on any average console player

Its significally easier to aim with your whole arm and to respond and react aswell yes

You dont need to be very sufficient in it to beat a lot of the console players

[weak obsidian]

there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but a majority of the community can't do that properly

[crimson moss]

Mnk has a higher skill ceiling yes but thats because it supports significally higher control

[zenith trout]

Speaking our opinion is apparently rage bait 👍 , yeah this server is dead.

[weak obsidian]

gadgets play like 2042 like #whatdoesthateven mean

[tall urchin]

I don't know a single person who played 2042 and saw BF6 footage and thought they looked identical. The movement mechanics are completely different and the gunplay looks different by a fair margin as well.

[crimson moss]

I think hes rage baiting

[short basalt]

i think on both sides its balanced

[zenith trout]

Ok now you’re lying

[weak obsidian]

in BF6 the RPG does damage just like 2042, this is unacceptable.

[fair summit]

Bf6 is a hugely improved 42

[crimson moss]

No

[mossy marten]

you can throw a crate down just like 2042 😱

[zenith trout]

It’s literally a heavier version of 2042 with BF3/4 skin on top

[tall urchin]

Except I'm not? The movement in BF6 looks much more stilted and geriatric comparatively. Looks much closer to an awful blend of BF1 and BFV.

You can't even chain bhopping beyond the first without completely losing your momentum

[zenith trout]

Movement feels like MW2019’s

[crimson moss]

Proveable on like comparing esports titles, look at controller and pc gameplay the levels they play at is very big

Even controller pros know full well that its not something that competes in an way

[weak obsidian]

which is different to 2042, can you be consistent at least

[fair summit]

This is true

[tall urchin]

There's also a lot of visual shifting of the reticle while moving too in BF6 footage

[minor linden]

Not really. The slower aiming also heavily effects movement. On PC, you can turn around very quickly because you can swing your mouse as fast as you want.

Meanwhile on console, you take forever to turn unless you want to turn your dpi (or whatever it's called) way up which messes with your aiming

[weak obsidian]

worst ragebaiter ever ❓

[zenith trout]

Consistent to what? The game is an improved version of 2042 I’ve played the game and has formed my opinion.

[crimson moss]

I tried controller battlefield i felt my thumb cramping while i tried to aim

Its insanely hard to control properly

[weak obsidian]

not a valid comparison at all tbh

[crimson moss]

And absurdly uncomofrtable

[rugged seal]

im used to it on controller and never really have an issues

[zenith trout]

If you don’t like my opinion then stfu and go about your day

[weak obsidian]

ragebaiter is raging...

[fair summit]

It's a doable comparison many core elements are the same but its definitely an improved version

[covert nest]

I dont know how i played on roller.

[fair summit]

Same laser guns same class sytem

[zenith trout]

Ok whatever you say bro

[fair summit]

What changes mainly is the movement

[weak obsidian]

I think at a point comparing it to 2042 becomes meaningless

[fair summit]

And maps ofc much better in 6

[covert nest]

Did you know in both 2042 and bf6 you shoot people

[rugged seal]

https://www.pcgamer.com/how-do-you-hold-a-controller/ i dont know the names of ways people hold controllers other than claw but in the picture they provide i think the top right one is the one i use

[mossy marten]

i haven't used a controller for FPS in 11 years now lol, only use it occasionally for certain games like expedition 33
using it feels foreign

[weak obsidian]

exactly lol

[zenith trout]

Ok I have to agree the maps are better than 2042 but still they play like shit

[minor linden]

You gotta use it upside down. Hitting the aim and shoot buttons with your palm feels amazing

[weak obsidian]

if people are fine with base BF4 maps I'm sure it's okay

[tall urchin]

The first time I picked up roller in like 10+ years just to play Oblivion remastered on my TV and god it felt miserable lol

[weak obsidian]

same with BF1, some awful maps...

[fair summit]

I disagree I liked the maps in 6

[mossy marten]

Galicia 🤮
Sinai Desert 🤢

[weak obsidian]

Sinai is proto 2042 map

[fair summit]

Sinai desert was great for sniping

[mossy marten]

same with silk road

[weak obsidian]

half the map is just a deadzone lmao

[zenith trout]

Abbasid was the only good map

[weak obsidian]

bad maps are a franchise staple atp

[minor linden]

I have no opinions on 6's maps cause we've only seen like 4 of them and they all seemed like more infantry-based ones

[mossy marten]

tru
except hardline, hardline had generally better maps on avg compared to most BF games

[zenith trout]

No BF3 had amazing maps

[minor linden]

HL is truly underrated. Even the ending DLC maps were amazing like the one train map in the forest

Can't think of 1 bad HL map besides for some of the night varients

[mossy marten]

train dodge goated map and would work amazingly in a military BF game (would be a map without jets obviously)

[weak obsidian]

every game after that ☹️

[minor linden]

But even those were cool cause of the night theming

[weak obsidian]

I'm mad HL died in my region before I got the chance to play it, it looks fun

[fair summit]

Yeah night time was cool

[mossy marten]

it's dead in NA too, only one German server that I can play on

[minor linden]

Seeing a train ram through a tank would be amazing lol

[mossy marten]

it'd be funny af seeing a tank go flying

[glad trench]

The block is the only “bad” one

[mossy marten]

tru, fuck that map

[tall urchin]

Oh god, I forgot about that map

[minor linden]

Riptide was kinda annoying with the roof, but the rest of the map was good

[zenith trout]

The maps I’ve seen in BF6 were only COD sized CQC maps, I hope we get to see more medium to large sized maps in the future.

[mossy marten]

riptide was alright
the forest map is better

[minor linden]

... There was an alcatraz map?

[covert nest]

God dude i would kill for a remake of blood money

[mossy marten]

there was, yes

[covert nest]

Yes. An actual alcatraz map.

[minor linden]

I prefered Hotwire, but blood money was cool too

They should fr add HL to portal

[covert nest]

The verbal abuse was my favourite part of hardline.

[mossy marten]

Hotwire and Blood money need to comeback as LTMs for sure
but instead of Blood Money, make it like stealing intel to keep with the theme

[zenith trout]

I’ve heard Hotwire is gonna be a mission for the new gauntlet mode, can’t say for sure.

[minor linden]

There's a slightly changed version of it, yeah. It's with a tank instead of a random car tho

[covert nest]

The criminal announcer losing his shit was my favourite part of it.
"You let those fucks rob my fault!?"
"If you dont get this in the bag, we're fucked"

Ive never heard an announcer give up in such a way

Hardline was one of those games that I loved playing on 64p because most of the game modes were 32 players.

[minor linden]

Wasn't there a leak that said there was gonna be a radio of some sort? They should add Da Police lol

[zenith trout]

Are you being fr or you’re just not sure? Cause we don’t even have official info about the game itself yet so that’s why I’m asking.

[minor linden]

It's from a leak so it can def change before the game launches, but it showed a mission where you have to get in and keep a vehicle (It was a tank icon) for a set time to win

[zenith trout]

Ok gotchu

[solar jackal]

When is the next test? And was there one at all today?

[gusty comet]

two weeks, maybe

[north yacht]

As a veteran of the Battlefield series of games, starting with Battlefield BFBC2 and playing to this day, I want to say the following. Give players the opportunity to play with weapons they enjoy, as they did in BF3 and BF4. Yes, there are those who disagree with this, but it is worth appreciating what was once added to these iconic parts (BFBC2, BF3, BF4), I am glad to see here those who share this position with me. For example, when playing as a Recon, you want to throw C4 into the crowd and respawn behind the enemy with a machine gun so that you can seize the initiative. Battlefield is not only about seriousness, but also about fun. Leave the opportunity for the community to experiment.

[versed token]

No reddit is trash

[novel wyvern]

They were to post it?

[versed token]

Nowhere

[novel wyvern]

It's not a Poll on Reddit. I created it with Google Forms and posted it to my X account. A Battlefield Community Survey.

[tepid plinth]

What’s it about

[rotund viper]

its about opinions on the next BF

and just Battlefield in general

[worldly marsh]

I once received an invitation to a test, but couldn't get to it because the email went into spam and I saw it a day after the end of the test. I haven't received any invitations since. Has anyone received more than one invitation and when was the last test?

[versed token]

pls guys break your nda to tell this random person that

[wintry sphinx]

I was really hoping for to see they bring the night vision goggles gadget during nighttime battles.

Like from Hardline.

And that, I don't know if I say this.

For the next BF title, are they going to bring back gore like Battlefield 4? Just a suggestion.

[rugged seal]

Bring back? It never had it

Unless there was something in the campaign

[wintry sphinx]

That's true.

Too bad 2042 didn't get the campaign.

[weak obsidian]

battlefield never had gore...

[tough zinc]

I mean bf1 executions were pretty gruesome tho

[feral garden]

People complained about there being too much blood splatter in initial leaks from labs lol

I think I can confidently say that most BF players do not give a shit about gore

[golden vortex]

I want all the gore. Give the game a high age rating 😄

[wintry sphinx]

I do know the start of the cutscene in campaign mode of the aftermath of the abounded building destroyed by attack helicopter, and then the one of the soldier's leg got crushed by the massive rubble. And then, I used the combat knife to cut his leg, and that's why BF4 and BFH have one.

[wintry sphinx]

Yeah. Would be awesome!

Where you been? Haven't talked to you for awhile.

[golden vortex]

Just been working. Doing other stuff in the lul between releases. Also, no longer a mod which have quieted things down a bit

[rotund pier]

There can’t be much gore on a BF because you can get revive ( I mean like dismemberment n stuff )

Though I guess if snipers headshots make it so you can’t be revived it’d make sense for your head to blow up

[leaden kraken]

I've seen some clips where you can drag downed players to safety, I think it would be cool if there was a blood trail from where you drag them

Also, Black Ops 4, while not a good CoD game, had a cool feature where when you get shot, blood sprays on your gun, arms, and healing equipment when you use it

[leaden kraken]

Having blood spray on the screen Republic Commando style with a knife kill would make it more visceral

[leaden kraken]

Or if a teammate gets killed right next to you, like how dirt and mud will spray on your screen when an explosion happens nearby

[leaden kraken]

Battlefield 1 also has this but not on the same level as Republic Commando, Black Ops 6 also has some splatter on the screen with some melee takedowns in the campaign

[hollow cosmos]

how do you know when BFLabs is up & running, I have PS5 access but only have been able to play during the first invite a few weeks ago

[golden vortex]

read your mails again 🙂

[cursive ridge]

If you were only invited to participate in a stress test, you weren't invited to Labs itself.

just a little nugget of info

[cursive ridge]

The blood god demands blood.

[golden vortex]

Skulls for the Skull Throne

[mossy sluice]

bro wtf is this shit .. i wait since beginning for bvattlefield labs acces .. i was just able to play server Testing

i love battlefield and play it since BAd company .. why they cant give me access

i do every survey before and after always .. and write my opinion as a text always .. i feel really bad at this ..

i am done playing league of legends hahah give me access

[rugged seal]

[cursive ridge]

No

[worthy summit]

beta coming out?>

[agile star]

Nice job DICE for making BF labs so the community can give you feedback on what should and shouldn't be added and just ignoring them!

Great sign of what's to come to BF6!

[weak obsidian]

maybe the people who've actually played labs think open weapons is fine?

not to mention they've already adjusted things according to community feedback

[agile star]

They havent adjusted anything

And you dont need to play battlefield labs to see how dumb the idea of playing with every weapon is, BF2042 did it and nobody liked it

[rugged seal]

its not an issue in the game where they are already unlocked

[weak obsidian]

they removed the heal from the assault stim and removed double launchers from engineers

[agile star]

They haven't adjusted anything, they just added even more confusion

[weak obsidian]

I don't think it really mattered in 2042 either way

the main sin of 2042 was having specialists and having unlocked gadgets

unlocked weapons are just kinda whatever in the grand scheme

[agile star]

Making every weapon available for every class will kill the team aspect of battlefield

[rugged seal]

how does me using an AR as engineer kill the team aspect of battlefield

[weak obsidian]

do you realise gadgets are far more important than weapons right?

every class can kill in a reasonable amount of time

battlefield gunfights aren't rock, paper, scissors

[rugged seal]

another person who doesnt actually play the games and instead has this fantasy in their head of how the games play

[weak obsidian]

many such cases...

[agile star]

you have no idea what i play or how long ive been playing, its childish to leap to that conclusion

[weak obsidian]

yeah I dunno mate, you're the one equating to weapons = teamplay

[covert nest]

If unlocking guns means i play the class for the class then thats awesome.

[rugged seal]

then give examples of how unlocked weapons kills teamplay

[weak obsidian]

inb4 sniper support 💀

[covert nest]

If anything for me being able to run engineer with assault rifles means I can stay effective.

Cmon now

[agile star]

Relying on gadgets souly for teamplay is not good

[rugged seal]

bruh

[agile star]

the weapons compliment the class

[weak obsidian]

bro just saying shit 💀💀💀💀

[glad trench]

You’re aware that they don’t have to listen to feedback?

[agile star]

Whats the point of battlefield labs?

[glad trench]

Nah I loved the open weapons in 2042.

[weak obsidian]

please explain the existence of universal class weapons in 3 and 4

[glad trench]

To gather feedback and data, review both and make a decision that aligns with their design philosophy

It’s also super stupid to assume that “everyone” wants locked weapons when there’s no metric to base that off of

[agile star]

I neveer said everyone wants it

Whats stupid is making up insult like the other two goofballs did, and assuming i dont play the games

[covert nest]

Gadgets are what do the thing

[weak obsidian]

guy who's making up imaginary scenarios and has no examples to back up his claims:

[covert nest]

Bf4. I can do recon things as much with an ACWR as I can with a sniper.

[agile star]

locking weapons to classed forces players to use teamwork more often, a support is more likely to suppress a position and resupply people than a medic with a sniper is to heal and revive others

[covert nest]

There we go

[rugged seal]

never fails

[agile star]

patching it with complicated buffs doesnt solve the issue

[covert nest]

I dont even see direct commentary about the classes themselves asides from the weapons.

They arent complicated. Just click the glowing category when you pick your weapon therefore buff.

[glad trench]

No it doesn’t. Some giblet with an smg while I have an AR doesn’t promote team play

[covert nest]

But being able to run an AR on medic and allowing me to do things should still be encouraged.

[agile star]

The weapons are designed around real world roles are they not?

[covert nest]

I dont even see much commentary on omni crates and the state of assault.

Like if weapons were locked. Well that just means ill just run the M249 like an assault rifle like dude what

What are you achieving more with locked weapons over unlocked

[weak obsidian]

that medic with a sniper wouldn't be playing medic anyways in a locked system

[agile star]

If you mainly sit in the back of the map and snipe and you can resupply and heal yourself what is the need for others?

[weak obsidian]

because battlefield is an arcade shooter a lot of elements are abstracted so real life roles don't really that much

[agile star]

The game was madae based on real life military roles

[weak obsidian]

cool, they would be a useless recon player game in any other game

[agile star]

Recon is not useless

[rugged seal]

lol

[agile star]

Meta sniping has always been a thing

[weak obsidian]

yeah man getting 5 kills per round!

[agile star]

As recon?

[rugged seal]

grandpagaming type shit

[weak obsidian]

if that was the case every class would be issued intermediate caliber rifles

[covert nest]

Why should the one idiot medic sniper, a slight be the thing to get rid of an entire system.

[agile star]

The buffs are good but we need more than buffs to make players want to choose the weapons over meta

[weak obsidian]

besides LMGs and snipers

[covert nest]

Meta will still exist. Just depends how its built around it.

[weak obsidian]

also battlefield classes no way represent irl roles lmao

[covert nest]

I want to see how the m27 iar will work on assault considering its just a drugged up m416.

[agile star]

Thats why i said its based on irl roles

you people are not listening

[rugged seal]

pdws are barely evven used in conlficts anymore so why have them

[agile star]

And why is that do you think?

[weak obsidian]

I'm surprised they didn't include a 416 considering the M27 is the same gun

[mossy marten]

[agile star]

Is it perhaps because IRL conflict is not in cafeully designed maps with cover and close quarters combat?

[weak obsidian]

because body armour lol

[agile star]

SMGS are widley used in CQB to this day

[covert nest]

I would be up for locking high powered scopes behind recon.

[weak obsidian]

not really, most militaries just use carbines and other short barrel rifles

[covert nest]

It would definitely reduce the annoyance.

[mossy marten]

agreed, anything over 3-4x stays in recon

[weak obsidian]

wrong reply...

[covert nest]

Ha get cucked

[agile star]

thats a good solution

better than just minor buffs

[mossy marten]

i'd love to see some guns that are rarely seen in most fps games

[agile star]

I think a medic shouldn't be incentivized to sit in the back of the map and snipe

[rugged seal]

always the sniper example

[agile star]

nor a support or assault, they should be incentivized to do what the class is built around

[weak obsidian]

but they are not, unless the player themselves are completely selfish

[rugged seal]

if someone is going to snipe they would be doing it no matter if weapons are locked or not, this isn't hell let loose bud where there can only be 1 medic per squad lol

[agile star]

my example is proving that players will ignore the team impact and focus on meta instead

why use medic to heal players when its better to heal yourself?

[glad trench]

2042 shows no evidence of this

[rugged seal]

did you ever play bf4 lol

[glad trench]

Over any other BF

[weak obsidian]

um... because I want to win the game ❓

[agile star]

2042 is perfect example, little to no teamplay is in 2042

[weak obsidian]

I get more revives in 2042 than BF1 lmao

[glad trench]

And BFV

[rugged seal]

the friend group i play with play perfectly well together as a team

[glad trench]

Thanks using my body as a speed boost tho

[agile star]

Both BFV and 2042 are not good examples for teamplay

[weak obsidian]

why's that.

[agile star]

BF1 started the trend of relying less on squadmates

[glad trench]

Lmaoooo

[rugged seal]

check #stats btw

[weak obsidian]

BFV is the complete opposite of 1 in that regard.

[leaden kraken]

Unfortunately real lol

[glad trench]

Team play with randoms has never been a thing. Why do dumb people act like it was ever a thing

[agile star]

It was

Have you played BF3? It was most certainly a thing

[rugged seal]

this whole fantasy in their head

[glad trench]

Ya, I have like 3000 hours in BF3

[leaden kraken]

As a BF1 Medic player, I try to do my best and revive everyone i can

[weak obsidian]

me too, skip revive is the worst thing to happen to medics

[cedar flax]

I love when people skip the revive when I have them pinged and I am next to them.

[glad trench]

And I’m not dumb enough to delude myself into thinking there was any teamplay outside of the most random moment

[agile star]

What? There was always teamplay

[glad trench]

I’ll do it if I know the guy will just shoot me and you

[cedar flax]

There are some cases where that is absolutely reasonable, but most of the time it is not that.

[mossy marten]

teamplay in BF: shooting and blocking a medic or support player so they can drop a crate

[glad trench]

Throwing down a supply crate isn’t teamwork

[agile star]

why would squads exist? Why would cetain perks beneift teammates? Why would classes exist?

[agile star]

Yes it is! It helps teammates resupply, that is teamwork

[glad trench]

For when you play with friends and can actual coordinate those benefits

Not with the rando in your squad that’s 2-18

[covert nest]

I feel like one thing to make assault more teamplay orientated asides from the adrenaline revive pen is to give a 1.1x buff to capturing objectives with squadmates.

Like there wow assault means reinforcement.