battlefield-labs-discussion

[weak obsidian]

after the class rework not really

[tropic tulip]

Wrong.

[coral basin]

What class rework? It's the same just with a different ui display lmaoooo

[tropic tulip]

Nah it was completely different at launch

[rugged seal]

Gadgets tied to classes is definitely a big change

[tropic tulip]

medpens, plates, motion sensors etc having absolutely no restrictions

[weak obsidian]

the gadget selection got limited which is pretty big imo

[coral basin]

Who uses plates and motion sensors lmao

Useless

[tropic tulip]

Oh boy...

[stray schooner]

Motion sensors are actually good if you actually played the game

[tropic tulip]

Motion balls were early meta

Everyone used them

Plates are still meta, one of the best reasons to play Assault

[weak obsidian]

realistically guns in Battlefield all have pretty similar ttk, it isn't like Halo where theres like power weapons

[coral basin]

At lauch when it was literally a broken gadget

[covert nest]

Yeah fuck armour.

[weak obsidian]

I don't see the problem

[covert nest]

Its one of the things I'm not happy seeing again.

[tropic tulip]

That's what I'm saying, that's what the class rework is

[stray schooner]

I never bothered with armour tbh

[coral basin]

Were broken, it was not the normal funcionality of the gadget lmao

[covert nest]

It ruined gunfights for me

One extra bullet just messes with every little thing

[coral basin]

Anyways, garbage game

[stray schooner]

Yeah I guess

[tropic tulip]

Yeah I'm glad to not see any plates in BF6... So far....

[clear viper]

Based bio btw, I appreciate it 🫶

[covert nest]

:)

[tropic tulip]

You lot are like vegans

[clear viper]

😭 what the hell does that mean

[stray schooner]

I think it's for the others

Not you

[tropic tulip]

Nah it was for them haha

[clear viper]

I see, I got confused lmao

[weak obsidian]

I want different levels of armour for different classes 🤫

[covert nest]

It shouldn't exist

[weak obsidian]

#makereconsglasscannons

[coral basin]

He/she is mad because I don't agree with him/her

[stray schooner]

Armour doesn't really fit battlefield

[weak obsidian]

I mean it was in the older games

[covert nest]

This is me at my most vindictive. Fuck armour and everything with it. Its fine in royales not aow.

[tropic tulip]

Armour was a big part of BF2 class design but I'm glad it's gone tbh

[covert nest]

Doesn't mean it was good.

[mossy marten]

We haven't seen it in leaks anywhere

[stray schooner]

I don't personally care too much but I can see why against it and wouldn't miss it if gone

[weak obsidian]

I think it's alright

[coral basin]

[tropic tulip]

Consistent TTK is where it's at

[stray schooner]

I hope the vehicles are alright

I miss battlefield 5 man

[tropic tulip]

The only good vehicle, is a blown up vehicle

[stray schooner]

The tank v tank engagements in 5 were so satisfying

[coral basin]

You miss a ttk change every single month?

[stray schooner]

2042 just felt really poor in that regard

[clear viper]

Battlefield V is probably my favorite vehicle balance in the series except for bombers, they could be tweaked a bit

[stray schooner]

Planes were a bit

Uh

Fucked up

But the tanks

I really miss then

[verbal crypt]

[covert nest]

You got kamikazed

[stray schooner]

Yeah

Couple of times

[covert nest]

I wonder by who

[tropic tulip]

Balance wise BFV was at its best early into its lifecycle. The TTK fiascos aside the Pacific update also completely screwed things up.

[faint pivot]

Doesn’t matter about that it’s about people trying to go against the grain it’s simple & go look under their most recent posts on leaks, YouTube, Instagram, most the comments and top comments is requesting locked classes along w server browser lololol that’s majority

[covert nest]

Coffee

[covert nest]

God that was pain

[clear viper]

They got reverted so it's fine now

[verbal crypt]

Everyone take a nice deep breath🧘‍♂️

[clear viper]

It was a weird decision though

[covert nest]

I require your liver.

[tropic tulip]

Only partly, some guns like the 20rd automatics never fully recovered. FG42 and shortmag Thompson come to mind.

[stray schooner]

Also give me a double barrell again like the drilling and my life is yours

[covert nest]

Fg42 did recover but at the same time holy shit it got gutted

[verbal crypt]

[clear viper]

I think you mean breath* ☝️🤓

[covert nest]

My first 50k gun

[weak obsidian]

I will say I'm glad they nerfed the movement

that's more meaningful than weapon restrictions to me

[tropic tulip]

I more or less stopped playing Support after that lol

[clear viper]

I loveeee the FG-42 and Thompson I don't have any issues

[verbal crypt]

Autocorrect lmao

[faint pivot]

Breathe in breathe out, regardless I think at the end of the day dice and ea will listen to its core community and this game will be fun and it’ll bring back the community while inviting new players

[covert nest]

Bar was fun :)

[tropic tulip]

I was too busy rocking the goofy sextant on Medic to notice...

[coral basin]

Just this one

[covert nest]

You should but also we arent meant to know you're in the tests.

Goofy sextant?

[clear viper]

💀

[tropic tulip]

Type 2a

[covert nest]

I preferred the nailgun

[coral basin]

Lmao

[stray schooner]

I also hope the sidearms are satisfying to use

[covert nest]

For all its issues

I loved the variety in 2042.

Laugo alien is my favourite side arm there

[stray schooner]

It was alright

[tropic tulip]

Deagle is too good to pass up

[stray schooner]

Love me hand cannon though

[covert nest]

I love the spammy side arms.

[mossy marten]

Gimme a handgun with no firerate cap

[covert nest]

I tried to pin someone at the range with it but instead I pulled out my deagle.

[coral basin]

You will not need to use it, you will have infinite ammo in every weapon

[weak obsidian]

it should not be a one shot kill

[faint pivot]

I think Everyone who signed up will get a turn to give input the game is still months away from being released and I feel like they’re quick with polishing and optimizing the gameplay and animations etc for next playtests

[tropic tulip]

Difficult to balance without making it meh

[mossy marten]

Disagree
If i one tap someone within a range in the head
They need head to go bye bye

[fervent quarry]

Do most people here agree that weapons should be locked?

[tropic tulip]

Yes but also no

[fervent quarry]

What’s the majority ?

[tropic tulip]

I'd say they're for restrictions

[fervent quarry]

Good to hear

[stray schooner]

There's no clear majority from what I've seen

[tropic tulip]

But it's the usual bandwagoning

[stray schooner]

People are pretty divided

[tropic tulip]

They'll all still buy BF6 and eventually realize it's a non-issue to have unrestricted weapons

[coral basin]

Most of the people except phreec and juju

[faint pivot]

From what I’ve seen under posts and all over Reddit and YouTube majority of the comments are asking for locked classes and server browser with plenty of likes so I will take that as majority of the people paying attention as we speak

[faint pivot]

😂

[cold condor]

Putting this here to see what others think ?

This is what I have in my mind but it could work honestly if the community trys it and see how it goes.

Base weapon for Assault Assault Rifles
Field Upgrade for Assault [CQC] - Allows you to use SMGS
Field Upgrade for Assault [Grenadier] - GL noob tube etc.

Base weapon for Engineer Carbine rifles
Field Upgrade for Engineer [Mechanic] - Allows you to use SMGS
Field Upgrade for Engineer [Anti-Tank] - Tank hunter etc

Base weapon for Support SMGS
Field Upgrade for Support [Combat Medic] - Allows you to use AR
Field Upgrade for Support [Perimeter Defense] - Allows you to use LMG

Base weapon for Recon Sniper Rifle
Field Upgrade for Recon [Spec Ops] - Allows you to use SMGS
Field Upgrade for Recon [Sniper] - Allows you to use sniper rifles

[weak obsidian]

it's too easy to get with the deag imo

[mossy marten]

Lower fire rate cap, done

[weak obsidian]

it should he reserved for revolvers with lower rpms

or give the deagle insane recoil

as it should

[mossy marten]

2042 deagle has some wild visual recoil

[crimson moss]

not wild enough for it to not be broken

but tbf theres been a lot of insane side arms in previous bf games aswell

[weak obsidian]

yeah but idk it's pretty mild otherwise

[tropic tulip]

G18 goes brrrttt

[crimson moss]

auto revolver in bf1 had like what sub 200ms ttk

bf5 had 1htk to the head revolvers

so did bf4

[weak obsidian]

I'm indifferent

[tropic tulip]

Same tbh

I'm just not hysterical because it's a non issue in the end

[weak obsidian]

yeah

[mossy marten]

Im indifferent as well

[covert nest]

No idea.

Check over in the labs discord. For now, Delete your comment.

NDA shit.

I did want to ask, For those who are in the middle of this thing. Are you coming from a place of apathy or just are you truly not bothered.

[cold condor]

Hey @covert nest question why did I lose my regular membership tags i was an ex trainee mod

[midnight finch]

My Take on the Battlefield Class System Post (Labs Update)

This is a strong move in the right direction. It looks like DICE is finally trying to merge the best of classic Battlefield class identity with the flexibility modern players expect.

What’s Promising:

Defined Roles: Class-defining traits, gadgets, and signature weapons reinforce teamplay and readability. That’s been sorely missed since the shift to Specialists in 2042.

Customisation with Limits: Letting players choose any weapon but rewarding class-specific ones (like Recon’s sniper breath control) is a smart balance between freedom and role fidelity.

Recon Example is solid: passive ADS spotting, access to recon tools, and stat bonuses for class synergy—it brings back the feel of true squad dynamics.

Caution Points:

Role Overlap Risk: If every class can use anything, bonus or not, class identity may blur again.

Complexity: New players might find the layers of traits, gadgets, and loadouts overwhelming without clear UI and onboarding.

Balance Needed: If bonuses for class weapons are too strong, it could discourage creative builds or make other options feel “wrong.”

Overall: This approach feels like a respectful nod to BF3/BF4 with lessons learned from BF2042. Battlefield Labs gives the community a real say—if DICE actually listens. Now it’s all about tuning, feedback, and clarity in implementation.

Excited to test it. Could be the backbone of a great next Battlefield title.

[weak obsidian]

did you chatgpt this lol

[covert nest]

EA change.

[weak obsidian]

I don't get the distinction

[midnight finch]

Why does everyone like you think that when someone posts a well-thought out summary that they have to use AI to do so? There are some intelligent people out there

[weak obsidian]

mb I just get suspicious when someone posts a wall of text

[midnight finch]

Your walls are supersized then

[crimson moss]

well what will it actually effect in reality lol

[weak obsidian]

just the way I like it

[midnight finch]

Why don't you comment on what I posted instead of saying you think it's chatgpt?

[crimson moss]

bad players wont play any better and good players might be able to do more but youll never see them anyway due to them being 1% of the entire playerbase

[weak obsidian]

I mean yeah it's fine

[crimson moss]

makes 0 difference

[tropic tulip]

The recon class bonus is terrible tho

[stray schooner]

There are other things I'd worry about first

[cold condor]

Bruh how i get my tag back

[crimson moss]

if they really want to play class specific weapons they can still do so its not like the opportunity for it is not there anymore

[stray schooner]

In fact the complain of no server browser mentioned is actually one I support greatly

[weak obsidian]

exactly

[crimson moss]

ngl i can see a few good things from there not being a server browser

[weak obsidian]

2042 matchmaking is awful

[crimson moss]

ye

[weak obsidian]

OCE is dead in the water besides conquest 64

[crimson moss]

but

it was a very significant improvement over 5s matchmaking

[weak obsidian]

at least let me matchmake with SEA

[cold condor]

We not dead wtf u on about

[tropic tulip]

Plenty of games had both server browser AND quickplay available

[crimson moss]

im actually happy that its not cross region because the amount of high ping abusers in 1 and 5 is pretty cringe

[cold condor]

Aussie battlefield vets are still here

[crimson moss]

also no server browser means that you wont get banned or kicked or whatever from badmins

[midnight finch]

https://x.com/grok/status/1925214700352241712

[crimson moss]

which are generally the only servers that are actually active and playble in older battlefields

[tropic tulip]

With the recent sales BF4 has a ton of Chinese VPN newbs too

[midnight finch]

@Battlefield
A class-locked weapon system for the next Battlefield game could ensure clear roles, like Recon using sniper rifles, promoting team balance and strategy, as seen in Battlefield 4. It reduces chaos by encouraging diverse weapon use. However, an open system like Battlefield 2042 offers player freedom, aligning with modern gaming trends and accessibility. It lets players choose weapons based on skill, but may dilute class identities. Battlefield Labs is testing a balance, with Signature Weapons and customizable loadouts, shaped by community feedback. The final design is still evolving.

[crimson moss]

i deadass cant play bf5 because im banned from bob servers and dice is unplayable

[covert nest]

Servers are getting more expensive.

[rugged seal]

If you can't communicate your thoughts without ai then we do not need to see them

[covert nest]

I wish they worked around it

[covert nest]

The xm7 is my favourite SMG

[cold condor]

Inflation

[tropic tulip]

It's all on-demand cloud hosting these days

[midnight finch]

No one is forcing you. it's not my post I am just posting what was said on X by someone else using Grok

[weak obsidian]

trying to find conquest 128 game is impossible

[tropic tulip]

jfc

[weak obsidian]

😂😂😂

[tranquil trout]

definitely not true at all

[crimson moss]

i wonder when people will realise that they will never see team play outside of comp games

[tranquil trout]

i find them instantly

[weak obsidian]

maybe I'm just unlucky

same with breakthrough

[covert nest]

Let's jump on the monkey using AI

[tranquil trout]

this is true tho bf has always had terrible matchmaking

[still tartan]

I also find 128 games instantly, instantly with 32 people with the rest being bots.

[weak obsidian]

that's why we need a good server browser

[tranquil trout]

USUALLY the server browser makes up for it

bf4 matchmaking was AWFUL

[crimson moss]

portal essentially could work as a server browser

[tranquil trout]

same with bf1/v

[crimson moss]

its just that idk why but people dont use it for that

[crisp mason]

Anybody else also get invited? 👀

[weak obsidian]

the problem if it's relgated to portal not many people will use it

No

[tranquil trout]

because changing literally any settings destroys xp gain and making your own server requires you to leave the game and use a clunky tool on the web

[tropic tulip]

Portal also doesn't list AoW servers which are the main game where 99% of players reside

[covert nest]

If they made the servers disintegrate under more strict conditions I bet they could edge it out.

[crimson moss]

idk just random complaint about something not existing when it technically does but just not used

[weak obsidian]

no one uses it to host AOW lol

sorry but it's bad

[rugged seal]

Making custom server settings can really only be done outside the game and its just tedious

[tranquil trout]

yeah it’s generally awful and barely works

[weak obsidian]

it's not a random complaint

[tranquil trout]

it’s a good idea just needs to be worked on for more then 5 minutes

[crimson moss]

could improve on that but idk i personally at this point would prefer just random matchmaking

[weak obsidian]

if you used a quickplay in the older BFs you're just gimping yourself

[rugged seal]

People will spend hours making a really niche gamemode and nobody will play it (mainly because its dumb)

[tropic tulip]

Portal is a good idea tho... The closest we've gotten to mod-tools since refractor engine titles

[weak obsidian]

it's either bot xp farm or milsim 1hp

awesome

[tranquil trout]

speak for yourself bro I don’t prefer to be put into a match that’s ending and then not be able to just stay in my lobby

[crimson moss]

no people chasing after you in lobbies to target you, no one manually manipulating the balance or having their own idea of it, no one abusing owner rights but just being able to play the game

the only thing id want is map locking system

[weak obsidian]

not real problems

[rugged seal]

99% of the time you just stay with the people you ended with at this point anyway

[tranquil trout]

idk why bf and cod are so allergic to letting me just that in my lobby

it’s so annoying

games have gone so far backwards since 2013 in terms of matchmaking

[crimson moss]

they are though

[tranquil trout]

it’s genuinely unreal

[weak obsidian]

not really

sounds like a you problem

[glad trench]

BFV had server browser with none of the rent-a-server badmins

[crimson moss]

well yeah a majority wont experience it but it exists

[weak obsidian]

and 1

[tranquil trout]

yeah because bfv didn’t have RSVP

[weak obsidian]

at least in OCE

[tranquil trout]

or rent a server

[crimson moss]

eu has only bob servers and im banned from them because they are skill gapped

[glad trench]

not that I expect people to understand anything that has happened within the franchise since BF4

[crimson moss]

obviously not playing dice

[tranquil trout]

franchise declined so hard ong

[tropic tulip]

I miss server plugins with auto-balancer, scrambler and sniper limits...

[crimson moss]

or OCE because ping and dead region

[tranquil trout]

seriously bro bf4db was the shi

[glad trench]

then that's just you being stupid because a MM just puts you into DICE ran servers as well

[crimson moss]

or they could just finally make a good game with everything pre balanced 🤤

[weak obsidian]

if DICE was brave we'd have class limits

[glad trench]

balance, battlefield... lmao

[crimson moss]

ye but playing dice servers in 2042 is fine

[glad trench]

played BFV DICE servers for years, no issues

[crimson moss]

im not playing against several stacks or cheaters all in 1 lobby

[true schooner]

Excited to see more info on the classes

[tropic tulip]

Also having some servers with sweaty regulars is nice

Feels like you're actually playing the game

[glad trench]

cheating ain't that regular also... make friends so you can run a 4 stack

[crimson moss]

thats the only thing i like about community servers

[glad trench]

he just complained about stacks, he doesn't want to play against sweats

[tropic tulip]

That feeling is completely gone in 2042 where it's just more brainlets by the day

[crimson moss]

ye 2042 is pretty boring to play

[weak obsidian]

pickle claims hes so good he gets kicked by admins yet hes complaining about stacks

[covert nest]

I'm sick of fighting the same people in my region.

It would just be nice to see how many people are playing a certain game mode.

And having the power to choose the map (or at least minimise) the bad maps.

[crimson moss]

i dont mind sweats within themselves but if youre playing in a 4-5 man stack for the soul purpose of games and just outright fucking random pub servers over its pretty cringe

like its quite literally impossible to win against or play against it

[glad trench]

ya, f people playing with friends

[crimson moss]

if its 1-2 sweats its fine

[weak obsidian]

SBMM

[glad trench]

imagine having them

[weak obsidian]

😛

[crimson moss]

i can counter it

[gloomy hinge]

skill issue

[crimson moss]

if youre required to have 3-4 3-4 kpm players in your squad just to play dice servers its not a very good thing

[tropic tulip]

(That's most of my BFV career )

[crimson moss]

its not very common in bf1 because community servers have rules about counter stacking and splitting stacks

so the games are even

also bf4 has counterstack and split stack rules too

[covert nest]

Hey same experience

[glad trench]

or my mates aren't potatoes and playing with friends naturally elevates your K/D

[covert nest]

Our bf5 careers have been full of stacks and pain.

[crimson moss]

yeah thats why its cringe lol

its just stat boosting on randoms

[weak obsidian]

I can't even find the Labs post on reddit because the munters downvoted it

[glad trench]

playing with friends is cringe now

[tall urchin]

You mean every clan that plays BF TDM?

[tropic tulip]

lmaooo

[crimson moss]

youre having fun but youre just cancering the entire 32 other players in the opposite team

[tall urchin]

Nah most of the clans I see never just "play" with friends they just hand hold and play super degenerate to inflate their stats

[crimson moss]

they are more often than not genuinelly toxic and dont split stacks lol

never seen those same players play good solo 🛏️

[covert nest]

I've been enjoying reddit as of late but holy shit stay out of gaming communites they are so fucking vitrolic.

I cna't fucking spell

[tall urchin]

That's why I love MacKay so much in 2042, you can just ego chall and they fall apart every time because their fundamentals are atrocious.

[covert nest]

Vitriolic

[crimson moss]

idk bf reddit is just console players posting the most vile shit ive ever seen

[weak obsidian]

gaming leaks and rumours is chill

[covert nest]

Mechwarrior and battletech have been good to me.

[crimson moss]

the discussions are degenerate

[weak obsidian]

more niche subs are chill

also did they nerf jumping in labs

it looks like BF1 now to me

[tall urchin]

Probably, you've seen the average person leaking this shit they 100% asked for slower movement and more AA.

[crimson moss]

stacks arent really a thing in 2042 anyway

ive seen like 1 stack 2 times in the past like 2 years ive owned the game for

[tall urchin]

You can't like full server stack like in community servers but even in TDM you can easily get 5-6 people of the same group together.

[crimson moss]

but you never see 4-5 good players within same squad/team like you do in bf5

seeing good players ingeneral is a rare occasion in 2042

which is good because then i have all the farm for myself 😍

[covert nest]

I wish I had good input to feel in control in my actions.

[weak obsidian]

it doesn't look like you go very far now

the dude going ham with the mp5 wasn't jumping and sliding much lol

[tropic tulip]

Meanwhile in BF4 on PC.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi5Bl7LKWKc

[tall urchin]

From what I remember of the old footage the bhop momentum pretty much dies after the first jump.

I'm going to be gutted if they make this the MW2 of BF.

[crimson moss]

insane part about this is that bf4 has several players that are this good

2k ticket locker and theres like 3-4 players each side with 200+ kills lol

[weak obsidian]

locker demons are scary

[crimson moss]

rest are within 60-100s

pretty much everyone are barely pos

[weak obsidian]

it's over for movementcels...

[crimson moss]

good old locker hoodlooms

[tropic tulip]

Yeah Locker is now lore wise meant to contain those criminals from murdering everyone outside of that prison

[tall urchin]

It's even crazier watching that shit because you know how much of those mechanics are pretty time sensitive.

[tall oracle]

Am i the only one who hope they do some sort of loadout save/load per class?

it's always been a problem for me on bf's

[weak obsidian]

lockers is a terrible map

[tall urchin]

It's not Apex tier frame timing execution but it's still damn impressive.

[weak obsidian]

redacted is the best meatgrinder map

[crimson moss]

and then you got bf1 where you couldnt even do basic strafing

[tropic tulip]

I honestly don't even enjoy the metro maps

[crimson moss]

i hate metro

[covert nest]

I kinda do enjoy breakaway on 128 when things are constantly changing.

Err like points and being constantly taken and that

[crimson moss]

just 30 people corner camping and you attempt 100 frags til you kill all the rats

[weak obsidian]

I think it's better than lockers still

[tropic tulip]

I mean the tunnel maps in general

Just too exhausting lol

[crimson moss]

ye theres nothing really going on

[weak obsidian]

yeah it just melts your brain

[crimson moss]

noone rotating just 1 team trying to go up stairs other holding the stairs

[weak obsidian]

I played metro HC and that was funny

[crimson moss]

underground in bf5 was better

a lot more options to play around with

too bad that the balance sucked

rust in piss battlefield 5 i will never like you

[tropic tulip]

og metro was best with 24-32p imo

[crimson moss]

idk zz gameplay

[weak obsidian]

my strat for OG metro was to spam the M320 LVG

[tropic tulip]

64p is just clusterfckk central

[crimson moss]

throw grenades up stairs, throw nades down try to go up get shot by 30 people holding 1 stairway

[weak obsidian]

people love that shit tho

[tropic tulip]

yeah

[crimson moss]

i wonder why

like what makes getting shat on by 3000 grenades fun

[tropic tulip]

tactically suppressing a stairwell between grenade throws

[crimson moss]

or being the one just sitting and throwing them

i once spectated players on bf1 for lols with my friends

there was a dude sitting with dynamite

for like idk 2 whole minutes

and then he almost killed himself by those dynamites

[elder basalt]

I honestly miss the days of 32p matches.

It was less hell and more fun.

[crimson moss]

32p has been back for a while

[weak obsidian]

same reason why shipment is so popular in CoD

turn your brain off chaos

[elder basalt]

I mean 32 total, not 32v32

[crimson moss]

oh

yeah dom and frontlines were pretty good

too bad that people dont play them

[weak obsidian]

Fort Voux is a good meatgrinder map imo

[elder basalt]

BF3 on PS3/360 had 32 player matches

[crimson moss]

whats the meatgrind

you just spam dynamite til you get your 100 kills

[weak obsidian]

I like the shotgun

I hope BF6 shotguns are good 😈

[ebon delta]

24 actually

[crimson moss]

i had a fort game where 50 of my 90 kills were by dynamite

[elder basalt]

I made some custom portal modes that bring back the old player counts on the classic games and maps

[weak obsidian]

I don't really use dynamite but I believe you

[covert nest]

It had 24.

[elder basalt]

That's why I really hope portal is returning

[crimson moss]

just constantly spamming it into hordes of players

and they are like moths to it too

you kill 3

then 3 medics automatically feel the need to run into it again

1-2 get revived and then you get another like 5 kills

[covert nest]

Flashback BT was genuinely a lot of fun on 2042.

[mossy marten]

Flashback?

Flashpoint?

[weak obsidian]

flashpoint I assume

[ashen hedge]

Flashback

[crimson moss]

bluetooth

🧠

[elder basalt]

Well still, the matches felt bigger than they were....the map design was great back then

[mossy marten]

I'm having "flashbacks" of BF4 UCAVs

[covert nest]

I DON'T KNOW

FLASHBACK OR FLASHPOINT THE ONE WITH THE THING

The maps were really well done for the smaller amount of players.

It's where I got my 193 bomb

I need to find it again

[mossy marten]

The underground section that was heavily featured on the trailer but is completely not used in normal games?

[weak obsidian]

2042 has a bad habit of wasting map space

[ashen hedge]

Flashback is the playlist with portal maps. Flashpoint is that one map in Namaqaland

[covert nest]

yeah though i felt i was being gaslit

[elder basalt]

Very bad habit...so many maps could have been cut down and would have been better for it

[tropic tulip]

Yeah I honestly miss the more 'focused' map design. That new valley map is like the first stage of Damavand Peak without any of the exciting or interesting POIs, just flat and monotone.

[weak obsidian]

valley map?

[ashen hedge]

Launch Breakaway is a lot of empty ice and glacier lol

[tropic tulip]

From the leeks 🥬 👀

[weak obsidian]

oh capstone

[tropic tulip]

It's stoney alright

[weak obsidian]

not the most exciting looking map

[tropic tulip]

the city map looks good tho

[weak obsidian]

hopefully we get to see the NY maps soon

[clear viper]

Not here, and you just violated your NDA by saying this

[covert nest]

This isn't the place to be discussing it.

[distant saffron]

ok, thanks

[glad trench]

jesus seeing xfactor saying

"signed, A guy who won multiple titles, leagues, and has 100's of millions of views covering multiple Battlefield titles"

on why his dogwater opinion on weapon system being bad

[weak obsidian]

xfactor seems like a moron lmao

[glad trench]

no he genuinely is one

and I hope he's in here

"Buddy, it isn't that I'm good or hit 1 billion views a few years back, it is that I've personally consulted on 4 or 5 Battlefield titles holding meetings with EA executives, studio leads, and have played multiple Battlefields a year plus before release traveling to 4 or 5 studios around the world...

You flat out lied in your post. No coming back from that.

Lets see your resume Jimbo.

another response of his ^

[weak obsidian]

jesus he's so full of himself

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

genuinely hope this next battlefield title blows up so content creators that aren't dogwater come in and wipe these crusty ass has-beens back off the maps

[covert nest]

I genuinely don't know and I'm sorry.

[granite carbon]

The next battlefield should be like bf3/bf4 literally. Stay as far away from bf2042 as possible

Bf2042 didn't have persistent servers

[glad trench]

or just go play BF3/BF4

[narrow basalt]

Pls remove server browser and let me use any weapon i want, i want to play support with a sniper so i can heal and get ammo while im 200m away from the objective

Bring back angel too

[granite carbon]

Players want a remake of bf3/bf4

[obtuse trellis]

support + recon duo team ez

[glad trench]

no, crusty millenials/gen Xers that haven't progressed past 2014 want BF3/4 remakes

[spare wigeon]

No worries at all, I totally understand. Thanks for letting me know

[obtuse trellis]

I am gen Z and want bf3/4 remakes

[granite carbon]

Battlefield is known for being a class based shooter. Battlefield always had locked weapons behind classes since bf1942 until bf5

[weak obsidian]

why do people want remakes

[glad trench]

just like crusty boomers/gen Xers that hadn't progressed past 2008 did nothing but complain about BF3/4

[narrow basalt]

I hope the next battlefield has skill based matchmaking

[glad trench]

congrats

[weak obsidian]

BF4 still has a active playerbasr

[weak obsidian]

do you want a pat on the back or something?

[granite carbon]

If they are aiming to make the next battlefield like bf3/bf4. They should lock weapons behind classes, add server browser for every mode

[weak obsidian]

mr. I'm not like other zoomers over here

[glad trench]

giving pick me energy

[covert nest]

I'm gen Z and I still play mechwarrior.

[granite carbon]

Bf1 does too

[narrow basalt]

Nooo terrible idea

[obtuse trellis]

Can always count on the discord nolifers to being arrogant assholes when talking about videogames

[covert nest]

God I'm 10 years younger to that franchise.

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

well, here's the thing, they're not trying to remake BF3/4

[narrow basalt]

Right, they're making something worse

[granite carbon]

Vince Zampella himself said the next battlefield is gonna be bf3/bf4 like in an interview

[glad trench]

congrats, you learned PR speak

[granite carbon]

They are baiting everyone with nostalgia?

[glad trench]

notice how intentionally vague that statement was and how he didn't tie it to any specifics of BF3/4?

[granite carbon]

Bf2042 turned away a lot of the veteran battlefield players. The next battlefield has a chance to bring those players back

[granite carbon]

They really should reconsider classes

[weak obsidian]

he's talking about the vibes

a 1:1 to remake of 3 and 4 would be lame

[young jetty]

The game is gonna be like BF3/4

[glad trench]

veteran players are insignificant. what matters is the creation of new fans that will stay with the series.

ala BF3/4 moving on from the yesteryears of BF2, creating a whole new generation of fans

[granite carbon]

Remove any controversial feature that came from bf2042

[glad trench]

BFV/2042 failed at that, not because they didn't design the game around BF Vet dogma

[dark plaza]

Veteran players get new players into the franchise. Passing on the torch essentially. There's a reason why franchises like Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, or Dragon Age are a shell of their former selves.

[granite carbon]

Most of them never worked on the past battlefield games. This one is like that aswell although some of them did came back to DICE

[weak obsidian]

Halo Infinite is good

[glad trench]

no they don't, BF3/4 vets who are largely 30+ aren't the ones getting high schoolers into a new game

and if they are... call the police

[dark plaza]

And yet Halo MCC pulls more players daily.

[tall urchin]

I remember playing the OG on my Tandy 1000RL

[weak obsidian]

okay...

[granite carbon]

The next battlefield being a live service is a red flag.

[dark plaza]

Those vets have kids and family members.

[glad trench]

again, statistically insignificant

[mossy marten]

Premium is never coming back
So live service being a red flag is a moot point

[granite carbon]

They still wanna play battlefield but bf2042 turned away many of them

[clear viper]

Honestly what got me into Battlefield was one of Jackfrags videos on BF1. My first games were BF1 and BF4

[mossy marten]

AND if premium came back
No guarantees it would be the same

[tall urchin]

BABY COME BACK
YOU CAN BLAME IT
ALL
ON
ME

[granite carbon]

Dlcs packs worked quite well for bf1/bf3/bf4

[weak obsidian]

you do realise leadership is what steers the game, not the devs lol

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

they literally stopped doing map packs after BF1 because BF1 premium had such low uptake

[dark plaza]

Not at all. If we want to talk statistics, there's a reason why BFV and 2042 failed to meet sales goals. Betray your core fanbase at your own peril.

It seldom works out for a franchise to try and change it's identity in order to appease a market from another product. Not only will they draw off a fraction of that sought after market but they will lose whatever market they originally had. People who like Warzone, Fornite, CoD, R6 Siege and the like aren't going to drop those games because Battlefield mimics them in some regards.

[weak obsidian]

they split up the playerbase but ok

[tall urchin]

But yeah not a single multiplayer game is ever releasing paid DLC content ever again

[granite carbon]

Vince Zampella is in the leadership. He said the next battlefield will be like bf3/bf4. But not locking weapon behind the classes, not having a server browser doesn't seem that way

[granite carbon]

Bf5 being a live service resulted in a lot less contents than bf1

[weak obsidian]

its a modern day shooter... kinda like 3 and 4...

[granite carbon]

Gameplay wise it should be that way too

[rugged seal]

Since when does locking weapons define what the game is

[glad trench]

Bad marketing and games that didn't work on a technical level are why those games failed.

BFV was a great BF game that stayed true to the BF formula, wonder why the "vets" didn't stick with it...

[weak obsidian]

no thank you

3 and 4 had some dumb shit

[glad trench]

BF3 at release was nothing but BF2 boomers screeching that it's literally COD

and it started a new generation of BF

[weak obsidian]

the cycle continues

[granite carbon]

They are saying it's like bf3/bf4 to bait the veteran players. When it's gonna play differently than bf3/bf4

[stark sentinel]

lol i was there too

[covert nest]

Keep in mind dell was part of the crowd that raved on DEI and shit during Assassins creeds Shadows pre release so that should be telling.

[dark plaza]

BFV lost a lot of people from the very first trailer. It lost more people when the CEO disrespected them. It then lost more when the devs messed with the games balancing in order to draw in new people. By then those "vets" you speak of went back to play BF1 and BF4. It wasn't abnormal to see those later games have higher player counts than BFV. Even today BF1 has a higher playercount than BFV and 2042.

[mossy marten]

Yeah, you don't say
It's called evolution
Every BF game has played differently and has stuff updated through the series

[dark plaza]

Hardly "statistically insiginificant"

[glad trench]

so all you "vets" need to sybau and realise these games aren't designed for your over the hill selfs

[weak obsidian]

so he's a moron? gotcha

[mossy marten]

2042 has step backs, don't get me wrong
But being static and stale in gameplay elements is also not good

[glad trench]

notice how none of that was gameplay.

it ws you losers crying about women being in the trailer

[weak obsidian]

sounds about right

[covert nest]

BF5 pre release was a PR nightmare.

I really wish Soderland didn't double down on his BS.

[granite carbon]

The problem isn't being different actually. But having a controversial feature. A lot of the crowds do agree that the weapons should be locked behind the classes

[dark plaza]

The last point was literally about gameplay, but I apprecaite you exposing you didn't read past the first few words.

[glad trench]

no it wasn't, you mentioned nothing about the failures of BF V gameplay

[mossy marten]

I think the controversy is way over reacted to until we actually see and play what they're explaining

[weak obsidian]

it's always the jin roh pfp #nooticing

[dark plaza]

It then lost more when the devs messed with the games balancing in order to draw in new people.

Like I said

[granite carbon]

One of the criticisms of bf2042 was the lack of a proper class based system even though they locked certain gadgets behind the classes, it still didn't solve the issues like weapons not being locked

[weak obsidian]

I would argue BFV had the most hardcore experience

[glad trench]

lmao blaming the ttk changes well into the game's lifespan

[weak obsidian]

lack of 3D spotting

[glad trench]

ya the gameplay, still a core experience

[weak obsidian]

attrition

[mossy marten]

Personally, I don't care if weapons are class locked or not

The gadgets and specializations are more important than what weapon someone uses

[weak obsidian]

real and true

[covert nest]

I think balancing weapons and incentivising people combining their gadgets with them should matter more.

[granite carbon]

It was a core battlefield feature

[tall urchin]

And the monkey paw curls its finger and every casual cries about getting zouzou'd on

[weak obsidian]

not really, classes are not defined by weapon

[covert nest]

Now that is a pro locked weapon classes argument too but they should genuinely make synergies obvious.

[weak obsidian]

or shouldn't be

[covert nest]

For all its failures. I at least had an idea what they tried with 2042 with free weapons. Like a paik with a PBX or a shotgun (yuck on the former)

[rugged seal]

the only weapon people specify a class for like 99% of the time is snipers and recons

[covert nest]

This is just a theory but I think when trying to balance the classes they probably realised there wasn't much point in restricting classes if all of them pretty much had the same weapons.

[dark plaza]

A properly designed BF game synergizes class weapons with class gadgets. With how much good faith has been lost by DICE with BFV and 2042, it baffles me that they wouldn't go with a formula that has worked for over 10 years.

[glad trench]

or make up some weird fan fic about every support player running sniper + ammo box and becoming an unkillable demi god from 500m

[covert nest]

Engineer has often been cucked with its weapons.

So ok if I were dice I would go ok give them assault rifles but also maybe LMG's too.

[weak obsidian]

at most 2 people do this

[covert nest]

This is theoritical and feel free to poke holes.

[mossy marten]

If they give the class a specialization for the weapon class that is best suited for it (ex: Assault having more ammo when using ARs) but give cons to weapon class that aren't meant for that class (snipers give more sway and no hold breath ability, LMGs have more recoil, and SMGs would be something as a con) then it would work well i think

[rugged seal]

when people say this it just makes me believe they are the typical casper i see in the back of the map getting killed by other snipers

[covert nest]

But I genuinely do think they meant to have locked weapons but realised what was the point of restricting them if they all pretty much had the same weapons.

[glad trench]

and they're as useless as every other weapon locked recon that camps on the edges of the map

[covert nest]

Now I think medic should only have LMG's.

[glad trench]

so nothing changes lmao

[covert nest]

But that's just a me thing.

[mossy marten]

Something like that, but carbines, shotties, and DMRs not being affected by specializations at all

[covert nest]

Ironically a recon with a 3x assault rifle would have free spotting.

Or LMG

[mossy marten]

Yeah, that free spotting while ADSing that was shows needs to go ASAP

[covert nest]

They should just make it a sniper thing on Recon.

Or at least

[mossy marten]

Nah

[covert nest]

Nah I wasn't thinking, Yeah. cancer.

[mossy marten]

Just no spotting without some input that isn't ADS over an enemy

[glad trench]

eh wait to see how it works

[covert nest]

Wait I thought it was just ADS.

[mossy marten]

At least make them q spot that has cooldown

[glad trench]

does it only spot after you've put your cross hair over them

[covert nest]

Like the spotting scope from bad co 2.

It's literally that perk from bad co 2 (Not saying that it was good or anything)

[glad trench]

or is it just BF3 spot -- but ADS

[covert nest]

You know what will be one big perk for recon they should do?

[mossy marten]

Bf3/4 q spot but just hovering over them in ads

[covert nest]

Give them straight pulls with snipers by default.

[mossy marten]

Yes

That's a good one

[covert nest]

Straight pulls for recon by default would be fucking BIG

[mossy marten]

And all other classes don't get straight pull

When using snipers

[covert nest]

Yeah pretty much what I was saying.

I'm assuming it's coming in as an attachment so you know, remove it and make it a recon default.

There literally you literally force people to play recon so you don't get the "Drawback"

[mossy marten]

Dice let us into the balance weapons room

[covert nest]

Cmon lurkers tell me. I know you want a hard locked system and I agree with you there but what do you think of this idea.

I'd actually argue make the sway more intense on other classes too.

[mossy marten]

I mentioned that earlier actually

[covert nest]

I had a theory

[mossy marten]

Along with no hold breath on non recon classes

[covert nest]

Remember when the class update first came out?

There was a "bug" where assault rifles had a longer than default sprint out speed.

I'm going to actually assume that was their original intention.

Because assault conviniently were going to have a faster SPO right.

I also remember reading a post but I got the idea that they were going to make sway worse for all the other classes and have recons hold breath ability fix that up.

But they forgot to change it out and it stayed in for a patch.

I honestly think they should make it so that classes are penalised for using weapons they're not meant to actually use.

I understand the reason for the change but I know there are ways that it can be done.

[weak obsidian]

LMGs and Snipers should be class locked

[covert nest]

that was stupid to say. I don't think there should be a hard penalisation but you should always be missing out on vital things asides from little uwu perks.

[weak obsidian]

all other guns should be unlocked

[covert nest]

I don't disagree.

But I like my straight pull idea better

Hell, Give engies better SPO's with LMG's.

[tall urchin]

I think we should have class specific weapons, where everyone gets access to everything, except shotguns. Only class that has shotguns are the newest class: the dunce. They emit a loud, droning "duuuuuh" constantly. Also the server always rejects their client hits anyways.

[minor linden]

I dislike giving Assault rifles to all classes. I'm fine with carbines, but assault rifles should be kept to assault

[verbal crypt]

😭😭😭

[covert nest]

I do fundementally agree lmgs and assault rifles should not be on recon.

At least give them carbines.

[oak condor]

both this and what dice is doing are just bandaid solutions to a problem that was solved a decade+ ago

[verbal crypt]

Bruh I’m dead ass cracking up

[glad trench]

what solution, BF3/4 had awful class balance

[minor linden]

What about every other bf game before those + HL, 1, and V?

[glad trench]

1 and V were better

but we should go back to 1942 where each class was locked to 1 weapon

[minor linden]

Would def be interesting

Y'know, it's kinda funny that out of every BF, 1/12 doesn't have class-locked weapons

Legitimately only 2042 doesn't have any sort of class-locked weapons

[glad trench]

and it was a great change

[minor linden]

Debatable

It just made 4 metas turn into 1 meta

[weak obsidian]

we need faction locked weapons....

[glad trench]

or it allowed classes to not be bogged down by having a garbage weapon class

[weak obsidian]

yeah it's just weird we have carbines and ARs despite not having restrictions

[minor linden]

Maybe 1-2 per class, but not fully. Kinda like what Hardline did (if I'm remembering it correctly)

[minor linden]

That's part of the balancing

Want to supply ammo to your team? You have to carry around a LMG or whatever other option it has

[oak condor]

oh the horror of having to trade off the murderkiller9000 for rpg access

[glad trench]

or not having to rely on the pendulum of weapon balancing

[minor linden]

You arguably have to deal with that more since every class is effected by any and all changes to weapon balancing

[glad trench]

the horror in the realization that the engineer running an AR isn't breaking the balancing of the game

[covert nest]

Bf5 assault was so damn strong.

But it didn't feel unhealthy.

[glad trench]

not really, I despise bolt actions and smgs. I use most of everything else

[covert nest]

Medic was crazy powerful there because of SMGs.

[ashen hedge]

SMGs were good in V

[glad trench]

not at launch

lol

stg shotguns had better range

[minor linden]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to do weapon locking from the start and were told by EA to not do it.

It'd make sense considering the presence of carbines, a lack of a solid gadget theme for assault, and Sirland's recent statements about wanting to make each class not be able to do everything

[weak obsidian]

that'd be lame

I wouldn't mind if you could cancel them or look around

[ocean ore]

How about BF1 instead?

[glad trench]

nah just drag them away

[weak obsidian]

BF1 syringe is busted

[ocean ore]

Now make it range...

[weak obsidian]

not a fan on how it didn't need a charge up

[ocean ore]

I'm having fun as a medic in BF1

[loud harness]

also get in/ out of vehicle animations

bf V got some things so right

[ocean ore]

How about hangar?

[covert nest]

I loved bf5 but it was not a perfect game.

[weak obsidian]

tanker and pilot class was awesome

[jade talon]

get in only plz

[weak obsidian]

for sure but I think it plays better than 1 and 2042

[ashen hedge]

Not sure how effective squirting fluids out of a syringe is going to be against the enemy but go ahead and try

[ocean ore]

[nimble bridge]

I don't want SMG Mackay no more

[weak obsidian]

I don't want Mackay no more

[nimble bridge]

There will most likely be a assault class with faster ADS strafe speeds similar to Mackay

SMG Mackay meta will persist even without his grapple

[static canopy]

Are they reverting their decision to lock classes yet?

[weak obsidian]

no

it hasn't even been 12 hours

chill

[nimble bridge]

They will revert it next week 😂 To show how they are ''''listening'''' to the community

[weak obsidian]

I still think the grapple is the biggest offender

[nimble bridge]

I only die to SMG Mackays in Redacted

Only map with no grapple advantage

[oak condor]

they completely misinterpreted what's wrong with the grapple and they seem to have completely misinterpreted armor plates judging by the "stat bonuses" for time spent in a match

[weak obsidian]

I don't recall any assault passive that had faster ads strafe speed

Yup

[nimble bridge]

Mackay

[oak condor]

yeah it makes mackay a super compelling choice even if the grapple hook was deleted outright

[weak obsidian]

it's over...

[inner eagle]

this is only a problem if you are bad at the video game

[true schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-hurts-gif-12096381820083648834

[weak obsidian]

lets not make assumptions here...

people really did not want to play medic in 1

[true schooner]

They should have them locked to specific weapons like in bf3 whyyyyy

[weak obsidian]

yeah but it's not the end of the world

[true schooner]

Like smg’s for some and dmr/shotguns for the others

I guess its not but its a little worrying

[inner eagle]

the self loading rifles were amazing? the rsc 1917 was literally a cheat code. i feel like people just don’t want to learn a weapon type because of attention span tbh

[weak obsidian]

um yeah

people generally prefer full autos

[oak condor]

the 1907 whatever that could 3 shot people across most of the map was so funny

people picked sweeper even though it was just worse

[inner eagle]

6 rounds in the clip and 2 shots to kill it was incredible

[weak obsidian]

because it was full auto

[true schooner]

I suppose have open weapons might promote use of class abilities more

[inner eagle]

hellriegel and sweeper were the noob guns for people who didn’t want to learn anything else

[weak obsidian]

and that's the majority of players

[analog flax]

will send playtest invite today?

[inner eagle]

unfortunately that’s the type of player bf is attracting now

[weak obsidian]

it's been like that since BF3

[oak condor]

bf1 and its consequences blah blah you already know the story

[weak obsidian]

it's just how people work ig

[inner eagle]

no i feel like the player base really split at bfv 🤷

people either stuck with bf1 or moved on

[weak obsidian]

I will say... even Battlefront has class locked weapons...

[static canopy]

I don't understand why it's always the legacy features they go after instead of improving over it

[minor linden]

Recon doesn't really get this since one of the point trees requires bolt action snipers for half the tiers

[oak condor]

there's only one battlefield game that hasn't had class locked weapons and it was a complete shitshow

[nimble bridge]

You would think everyone using PP29, Rorsch, BSVM or even VHX/RM68 when they launhced all these years would give them an idea why unlocked weapons are a bad thing but appearently flew over their head 🤣

[true schooner]

I personally think bolts, assault rifles, lmg’s and smg’s should be locked but pdw, shotgun, dmr and carbines open

[weak obsidian]

PDWs and SMGs are the same...

[covert nest]

I think PDWs work a little more broadly

But generally are yeah

[topaz cave]

choose one,

no server browser
or
no class locked weapons

[gray wyvern]

impossible if you ask the sub reddit

[topaz cave]

are dice stupid

[glad trench]

it also has a point system that lets you unlock "power" classes and heroes

[glad trench]

y'all keep saying this as if that was the reason 2042 was a shitstorm

[oak condor]

one of many!

[glad trench]

BFV was a shitstorm at launch as well, locked weapons

BF4 was a giga shitstorm, locked weapons

BF:Hardline, the BF "community" hated, same weapon system as BF4

[weak obsidian]

what I would do for a Star Wars game that was more like Battlefield

[glad trench]

hey man, we just got blessed with Andor. It's gonna be 20 years until we get something that isn't fanfic manchild, nerd slop from that IP again

[true schooner]

Pdw’s are generally smaller and “usually” limited to short barrels and 9mm/smaller but we also have the p90 that is classed as a pdw. Guns are weird

[covert nest]

Yeah they are.

Isn't the G36C a PDW?

It's a carbine sure but isn't it like a carbine of the carbines.

[true schooner]

I just thought it was a carbine

[weak obsidian]

it's cool how they made a good star wars for old time sakes

[glad trench]

wild what happens when you let good writers cook

now give me something like True Detective S1 but in the Star Wars universe

[minor linden]

No class locked weapons because a server browser likely means custom servers that you can use to make weapons class-locked

[steel orbit]

I cant find it in search, but im sure this has been asked, where do we download labs if we have been accepted?

[glad trench]

it'll be in the email

[steel orbit]

Will another email be sent sometime after completing the survey I do not see anything releated to download..

[gray wyvern]

they can't talk about it here man

[steel orbit]

I'm looking for infomration soley regarding downloading the playtest, I am not discussing the actual playtest nor any content.

[gray wyvern]

Yeah but no one here can give you any of that information without breaking NDA..

[glad trench]

you're not supposed to mention you've been invited and are participating

[gritty galleon]

Got an Invite for PS5, can i change it to PC? I only got one game on my PS5 i really dont play on the console ....

[gray wyvern]

"youre not supposed to mention you've been selected to play the play test"
immediate next message
"so I've been selected to play the play test"

can't make it up

[timid kelp]

you got a couple days to grind controller

before playtest starts

stating facts = bootlicking lul

[gray wyvern]

nah. not bootlicking. just surprised at how many people are casually okay with breaking the rules lol. they get this opportunity and are risking it before even getting the chance to even experience it

[rugged seal]

smartest redditor

[rapid walrus]

“Leave the billon dollar company alone”

[hearty pike]

I been trying to warn people on there about it. Avoided removing the posts directly.

This is how you do feedback for DICE:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1ksfmqh/nick_made_a_really_good_video_about_dices_idiotic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[covert nest]

People aren't defending a billion dollar company they're respecting the rules of the playtest.

There's a reason why we don't deserve anything nice.

[gray wyvern]

^

[slender ocean]

i think the class system change is good

and makes complete sense

and theres asbsolutely no problem with it

[gray wyvern]

I want to see some genuine feedback on it before I make any decisions, but im not against it!

[slender ocean]

honestly limiting someones choice of weapon just cuz they want to play a diff role on the battlefield is kinda stupid

[covert nest]

I'm on the fence, I don't mind it either way but I'm more concerned how it'll affect balancing on the long run.

[nimble bridge]

PP29 Mackay meta shouldn't be repeated 👈

[slender ocean]

yeah

[covert nest]

STOP BEING NUANCED. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THIS COMMUNITY

[slender ocean]

wait why are you legacy

[covert nest]

(For real

Oh I was a mod before EA's turnover.

[slender ocean]

legacy mod

oh

wait ea owns the server now?

[covert nest]

yeah

[slender ocean]

oh

did tey buy it or smth

[covert nest]

Not buy

Without getting into it it's something we discussed with each other.

No coersion we just thought this would be the "best" course of action.

[terse juniper]

guys, maybe a stupid question, do we have preload?

[versed sentinel]

I really want weapons to be locked man. Imagine sniping, and just throwing health packs. 2042 already has the same system and it's no fun.

[rugged seal]

another sniper example lol

there are so many other examples that actually impact a game

[nimble bridge]

SMG assault is even more broken imo if SMGs are anything like 2042

[weak obsidian]

I need BF1 shotguns again

[weak obsidian]

wow...

they're still useless

[glad trench]

Wow, I still killed or ignored the useless bush wookie

[glad trench]

Immortal demigods, I’m telling you

[rapid walrus]

Mods on a power trip today

[covert nest]

You sound hurt.

[inner needle]

No dedicated server browser no, no actual classes with their own weapons and tools….

[inner hearth]

What are you yapping about?

[inner needle]

Read what i wrote

[inner hearth]

You didnt read the blog. The classes have their own gadgets and they are locked

[inner needle]

They gonna unlock that as well soon tm

[inner hearth]

Anyone complaining about the announce class system are respectfully not good at the game.

Weapons do not have anything to do with class identity especially in a modern setting

[weak obsidian]

except they do have their own tools

bro just sayin shit

[glad zenith]

Ah yes, call everyone opposing your view noobs lmao

[inner needle]

They defintely do, it forces players to make a choice in selecting their class, which allows the bf map to have variety of classes

[weak obsidian]

play a game of BF1

[inner needle]

Inwouldnt be suprised if they unlcoked that ad well

[weak obsidian]

count how many medics there are vs assaults and scouts

[weak obsidian]

why would they reverse something that was already in 2042?

[inner needle]

Its EA lol

[inner hearth]

No they dont. In a modern setting I can add a Drum Mag to an Assault Rifle. It makes no difference to having an LMG

[weak obsidian]

do you have any evidence for such change or are you just fear mongering?

[inner hearth]

Class Lock makes sense in games like BF1 and BFV considering the era

And there isnt enough attachments

Take BF4, every class had shotguns and DMRs available

Every class can 1 Tap you CQC. That has nothing to do with how the map plays

[weak obsidian]

BF4 also had carbines

which blurred the lines further

[inner hearth]

^

[weak obsidian]

yeah proposed medic with sniper with heals and ammo isn't really concerning

they're going to get 5 kills around and do nothing

same as if they were playing recon

[covert nest]

ROBOT

[inner hearth]

Its just these old heads playing the nostalgia card.

[covert nest]

I love your pfp

Side topic but I love the little guys

[inner hearth]

Tyty very fun game.

Co-op mulitplayer horror was goated in the last years

[covert nest]

Ok actually contributing to the topic. I think what DICE had planned like making engie assault support equally as viable was made to a "Fuck it we may as well do this"

I still wish there was some sort of restriction like no AR's and LMG's for recon but the game in the end shouldn't play any different than traditionally.

[weak obsidian]

I think most automatics function samey anyways

I mean it's "wrong" that the dude with ghillie suit is running around with a LMG but it really isn't that detrimental imo

[nimble bridge]

That's one reason why they should lock it imo. Gunsmithing will enable more than 1 playstyle for these weapons. AR with drum mag will perform like an LMG and an LMG with a 30 round mag will perform like an AR. 🤷

[weak obsidian]

M27 💀

[covert nest]

Oh yeah I forgot about IAR's.

[nimble bridge]

I never liked LMGs in BF games tbh except for V, but I loved fast mag LMGs in BO6, BO6 is already a very fast game so having an LMG with AR reload speeds and AR ADS speeds made them more viable than just sitting at the back of the map and camping for kills

[weak obsidian]

LMGs feel too weak in BF

[cedar flax]

guys RSVP Server performance test what is it? is it a play test that is tested battlefield labs? right? I ask

[weak obsidian]

yup

[cedar flax]

Ah ok thanks

Ah ok

but will you really play battlefield right? as they said you were trying the game itself

Ah ok thanks guys

last thing how do i try the game tomorrow? from ps5 it told me as platform

Ah ok

understood, very kind

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, except for BFV which made them more accurate ARs with lesser mag sizes 🤷

[cedar flax]

Ah ok

thank you very much, very kind

I'll find out tomorrow then if I get anything

[thin pulsar]

Does anyone know what Asian countries have access to labs?

[worthy brook]

Lots of us are feeling your pain.

[static canopy]

which regions in Asia getting invites?

[jade pelican]

Does anyone know if the upcoming pre alpha playtest will have preload? Have not heard from EA beside the invite

[barren pivot]

Anyone know the specs for the next battlefield ?

[worthy brook]

Alot of people seems to be in the same situation, doesn'y seem like there is anything you can do.

[lofty steeple]

Cheers dude. Yeah just reading the comments.

[weak obsidian]

FG42 is awesome

[rugged seal]

No

[fresh moat]

Oh man, people are so bad with NDAs 🤦‍♂️

Probably same as Arc Raiders test; you get a code via email that you use to download the game with, either Steam or PS Store

[coral crystal]

reminder that acknowledging an invite to bf labs is against the NDA you signed, you'll get sanctioned for it here

[steel skiff]

Hi! Is there some sort of link where I can get support about Battlefield Labs from EA? I need to talk to someone, but every option I try keeps giving me useless automated answers, which very frustrating.

[blissful kite]

thanks for the reply , btw i dont know why my message is deleted

[nimble bridge]

Don't bother, let them break the NDA, more invites for us who aren't invited yet

[real kiln]

haven't got the invite yet, sadge

[gleaming dagger]

😭

[indigo sonnet]

I didn't get one yet 😞 sadly

Just curious didn't know it was against something

[small pond]

If we listed all the reasons, we'd be here all day, actually we'd be here for roughly 1 year, because that's how long it took to fix the grenade launcher attachment bug that broke horizontal aiming every time you got in and out of a vehicle. Sometimes the bug decoupled the reticle from the center of the screen too, reminded me of old school on rails shooters.

[ripe falcon]

my brothers gf got an invite, but me my brother and other brother DIDNT WHAT 😦

we've been signed up forever XD

[real kiln]

is the invites sending for this round of testing finished?

[indigo sonnet]

I have questions too but apparently we're not supposed to talk about the invites in a channel that's strictly for talking about it lol

[indigo sonnet]

I don't think so I seen a few people on Reddit get them

[real kiln]

so let's keep waiting then

[indigo sonnet]

Hopefully bro

[real kiln]

speaking of which, the test is beginning tommorow

[coral basin]

If you have an invite you are under nda

[real kiln]

that means you could not speak a word of it?

[coral basin]

Yep

[gleaming patrol]

The terminally online acting like police again...

[weak obsidian]

no you're supposed to tell the whole world you got into the playtest

[edgy flare]

But like, we just want to know how to access it tomorrow, not share any info about the game.
It’s gonna show up on our EA app, right? Or will we get a link or something like that ?

If asking this kind of info isn’t allowed, then I’ll just wait in that case.

[real kiln]

i've seen a screenshot of the invitation from my friend about the nda rules

[late summit]

I hope someone from DICE or EA answers this.

Hypothetically if I got invited to the ps5 test and I then would like to be invited on PC for the next one. Will any other invites be PS5 only since the first was PS5 for me or is it gonna be based on availability? Do i have the option to change it to PC ONLY for later tests? I selected ps5/ PC for my EA playtest account ages ago.

[real kiln]

maybe you could update your ea playtest profile for that

[covert nest]

I wonder if DICE is aware about the fuck up.

[coral basin]

No one is going to answer that

[covert nest]

Either way I don't think you should be asking that here.

[late summit]

There’s literally nothing wrong with asking it

[indigo sonnet]

If you have questions you're screwed something EA didn't think through

[coral basin]

It's ok, I'm just saying

[late summit]

I would’ve asked it in their test discord if they even sent out invites for that but noo you get kicked out after this test lmaoo

[real kiln]

so the qualification is only for 1 round of testing?

[coral basin]

From the day your invitation starts until Monday

[real kiln]

so just one weekend

[fresh moat]

I mean, the purpose is to test the game and give feedback to DICE. Actually playing for fun is only the secondary goal. One weekend is enough to give feedback and spot issues

[real kiln]

i see and ye, i'm ok with that

[blissful kite]

when people who are invited get the code to preload the game ?

[coral basin]

Given that the testplay starts tomorrow, today

[blissful kite]

ok ty

[coral crystal]

[gleaming patrol]

Waiting for the terminally online police to tell him he broke the NDA now

[stark sentinel]

this guy smart

[cloud loom]

I feel like EA doesn't care about the leak anymore

[nocturne viper]

Sorry what? Thats not correct.

[cloud loom]

you can easily see videos on youtube

[versed token]

It's against EAs ToS

[wicked frost]

All invites has been sended ?

[edgy narwhal]

I got Dune game test code on Sunday, the day the test ended... so maybe not. But I believe they have limited number for now.

[coral crystal]

[signal pier]

invite in Italy?

[unkempt plover]

Just so all know, This 72h playtest does NOT include Xbox. This comes from EA support themselves. You're welcome!

[coral crystal]

EA hates Xbox confirmed

[hybrid karma]

You could just give him your Account details, which is against ToS, just saying 😉

[hybrid karma]

I guess since PlayStation and Xbox are basically the same platform, they decided to give PlayStation the edge. They have more active players, which means more data in terms of variety (casual/semi/pro)

[covert nest]

Enders made a really good video on the class situation

Some restrictions have to exist but as a whole I dont really mind it yeah

[coral crystal]

#lockweapons

[delicate flame]

❤️

[half halo]

Agree

[half halo]

Bruh, they told you that in a chat?

[unkempt plover]

The whole "snipers with ammo boxes"-argument doesn't really seem like a big threat to me. What does however, spells, Two snipers on a hill/hard to reach place, with the ability to revive eachother and throw down medkits. That has me a bit concerned to be honest..

[rugged seal]

i promise you snipers will never be a threat

no matter the situation

[unkempt plover]

Nah, I reached out to EA support and simply asked them.

[stray schooner]

for all the time i played 2042 ive rarely seen people pair snipers with support characters as much as people claim

[tame grove]

The teamplay element comes from your gadgets, not your guns

[unkempt plover]

😁

[tame grove]

Idk why that's hard to understand

[half halo]

Sad noises

[rugged seal]

if you read all the examples people give you would think that its the ONLY thing that people do

[half halo]

Not that it changes anything, I haven't received an invite for PC either

[edgy narwhal]

💔

[proud violet]

anyone get drafted?

for the playtest?

[edgy narwhal]

Can't confirm or deny. Would have to front knife you.

[coral crystal]

[placid fractal]

[edgy narwhal]

I rather have locked but whatever, if it works otherwise.

[dark plaza]

I imagine we will see the problem exasperated as people find out what the most meta way to play is by finding whatever class and weapon composition that ensures the highest kill count.

[rugged seal]

how is that any different than locking weapons

[dark plaza]

Diminishes the likelihood of a meta appearing. For example, BF3 had a similar situation back when the USAS-12 was a god gun. Everyone was using it.

Assault and Support classes that is.

You could NOT find a match that it wasn't the most used weapon in the game due to how met it was.

When given the road of least resistance people will use it.

[rugged seal]

in 2042 where weapons aren't restricted you really dont see anything like that

[dark plaza]

At the beginning you definitely did, and it was made worse with the specialists.

It's one of the reasons why the vast majority of people dropped it

[weak obsidian]

no

I think it's the poo poo map design

lack of atmosphere

[rugged seal]

ok but im talking about the present

[edgy wasp]

i mean yeah, but there are still ike 5-6 meta weapons that are just plain better

[weak obsidian]

mediorce audio design

[dark plaza]

It's ONE of the reasons why the vast majority of people dropped it

[weak obsidian]

unlocked weapons aren't as significant as specialist gadgets

it was probably the lack of guns at launch

[dark plaza]

Literally said it was made worse with the specialists but ok

[tribal current]

Someone posted most used weapons in bf4 and it was all either ar or carbines

[rugged seal]

i see a lot of people point at things like the ntw being 1 shot but i rarely see it in 128cq

[nimble bridge]

No offense to him but he's a PP29/Mackay player Of course he doesn't mind non restricted loadouts

[mossy marten]

At the launch you did cuz every gun was broken and the pp29 was the only that actually shot straight lol

[edgy wasp]

i mean 2042 had meta sniper, AR, SMG and, to certain extent, LMG for a long time

[weak obsidian]

that guy is skib incarnate

[tribal current]

Bro you’re not supposed to post you got the invite

[weak obsidian]

at the same yeah the lines were already blurred with universal weapons in BF4

[nimble bridge]

He can do fine with any weapon but I'm tired of seeing PP29 mackay players

[tribal current]

Yeah I’m sure, my point is people will gravitate to the “strongest gun” class be damned

[weak obsidian]

what DICE is doing is just ripping the bandaid off 4's system

[edgy wasp]

yeah, PP29 is not a problem, Mackay is

[nimble bridge]

PP29 is also the problem when it has AR damage model, SMG speed and LMG mag size

[tribal current]

If a recon or support has the strongest gun, that’s where they’re going to go to

[rugged seal]

[edgy wasp]

yes, but non class tied weapons at least lets players to still be on usefull classes and not just on assault while using good weapons

[dark plaza]

When given the opportunity of a wide variety of options people will take the path of least resistence. However if you design all paths to be as equal as possible with unique rewards featured among it, it will encourage variety. This is how BF1, BF4, BF3, BC2, and BC1 found success.

[tribal current]

Yea no I think I’m agreeing with you

[edgy wasp]

oh boy, you didn't use Vector much, did you?

[tribal current]

I think we’re making the same argument

[weak obsidian]

so that's why no one played medic in 1

[mossy marten]

I die to different guns all the time in 2042
There's not one singular gun running everywhere

[weak obsidian]

SLRs are hard to use

[rugged seal]

people that don't currently play it seem to know a lot of about it

[mossy marten]

Even on cqc maps there's variety

[nimble bridge]

If BF6 continues to have 2042 class model we have we will see assault SMG users everywhere, this game has gunsmithing mind you, no recoil fast ADS 50 round mag SMGs will be meta

[dark plaza]

I'm convinced you didn't play 1 a lot

[weak obsidian]

dudr

check the leaderboard

[nimble bridge]

Vector is useless outside of CQC, PP29 has AR damage model, it's useful everwhere

[weak obsidian]

the majority of players are scout or assault

[tribal current]

That makes sense

[weak obsidian]

the Bizon gets to be good in one game okay

[edgy wasp]

You send so many bullets down the range even in mid range, it doesn't matter what PP29 has. And even outside of that range, PP isn't only busted weapon

[tribal current]

Always seems people choose gun first and class being secondary

[weak obsidian]

this

[nimble bridge]

PP doesn't have 1 busted attribute, it has several busted attributes, 65 round mag, fast reloads, M5A3 damage model, what else do you want from a gun?

[hoary locust]

i mean enders newest youtube vid he says some good stuff about all the classes

[weak obsidian]

dice are just catering to that thought process

[edgy wasp]

i mean if i have to choose good class iwth pea shooter and bad class with orbital nuke, i am using orbital nuke

[fresh moat]

People should watch Enders video. It has a very good point. Locking weapons behind classes is old school, too restrictive and there's better ways to make classes useful and diverse.

[weak obsidian]

if people are fine with 4's weapon system, the 6 system isn't too far off anyways

[tribal current]

How are the YouTube comments on that?

[nimble bridge]

Enders is an assault SMG player, of course he doesn't want class restrictions

[hoary locust]

yeah im actually starting to see the point of open weapons

[edgy wasp]

yes, like people using good guns and good class like medic or AT instead of assault and farming 700/2 KD, but loosing a game to dude in tank caping everything

[fresh moat]

I don't read the comments so cannot say

[dark plaza]

Verifiably false but ok..

[hoary locust]

he plays mostly everything and has been playing battlefield forever