battlefield-labs-discussion

[feral garden]

I think the best option to fit this type of never expiring BP...is to have special reward/s given upon pass completion, that're only available in the season/event that pass is for.

This would mean content in previous passes remains always available(Apart from the special completion reward), but there is still a reason to grind and finish a pass in a certain time.

[half halo]

Totally agree with you! Let me grind at my own pace. Sometimes life just prevents you from playing or there is some awesome game I wanna play with friends, I don't and won't ever dedicate 100% of my free Time to one game.

[feral garden]

2042s BPs were pretty great in this respect. I completed all of them by casually playing the game. But imagine how much more reason a player would have to get 2042 if they could buy and have 7 seasons worth of BPs to buy or unlock. Always available BPs seem like a win win.

[tropic jewel]

I hope that people who sit in a parked jeep and shoot the 50 cal without hitting anything for the whole match will be banned from playing BF6

useless bums

[tepid plinth]

I barely played the game at all and managed to get all the gadgets easily within a season

Pacing felt fine

[verbal crypt]

That is 50% of all bf players lmao

[tropic jewel]

Ban the shit out of them

[covert nest]

Only season i remember being really bad was season 6 in terms of grind but overall they were really fine.

[nimble bridge]

[topaz cave]

please add ultrakill sliding and please add grappling hook

add tac run

add wall run

add dive

no cooldown

[young jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[topaz cave]

why

pls add something something like CoD BO6 movement

[young jetty]

Because I want this game to be grounded in realism

[topaz cave]

pls add a third person execution

[topaz cave]

let's just say, use bf1 movement

i think bf1 movement is perfect

[young jetty]

you’re very hilarious

[glad trench]

Why is this even an idea in your head? The gameplay in this series has never been grounded

We’ve been superhuman commandos the entire time except maybe 1942 where we couldn’t sprint (not grounded in realism either)

[young jetty]

I’m not talking about the game needing to be a fucking milsim, I’m talking about the tone and atmosphere needs to feel gritty and serious and grounded in realism like BF3/4/1.

[glad trench]

Except gameplay in Bf 3/4 wasnt grounded in realism

Shit can be gritty/serious and not realistic

That’s set through art style, audio mixing etc

Not fucking gameplay

[young jetty]

Right It wasn’t, I’m talking about atmospheric and tone wise

You can’t disagree with this

[glad trench]

Ya so why is your argument to someone trolling about movement choices (aka gameplay) that no it can’t be that because the series needs to be grounded and realistic

[young jetty]

Thought he was being serious then I realized

[glad trench]

You can go add sliding into BF 3/4 and it doesn’t change the gritty tone/atmosphere

BF1 HAS SLIDING and people say that the most gritty and atmospheric BF in the series

[young jetty]

My guy I never said anything about gameplay

Learn to listen

[glad trench]

You responded to a guy talking about gameplay

And your counter argument was

[glad trench]

this

[young jetty]

When you’re asking for tac run, grapple hook, wall run ofc I’m gonna respond with that answer

[young jetty]

TONE AND ATMOSPHERIC WISE HOLY SHIT

[mossy marten]

[pulsar shard]

bro dont even respond to these guys they are all uneployed final bosses,they will force their opinions down your throat

[young jetty]

No wonder why I keep on seeing dogshit takes on here.

[pulsar shard]

check my dm

[vocal axle]

It’s wild how many of these guys will only play a video game if it feels exactly like call of duty. These people will also do nothing but complain about call of duty mind you.

[glad trench]

Damn didn’t know I’ve played CoD in the past decade

Almost like some basic modern movement doesn’t make everything CoD

[glad trench]

No, just checking the dog water takes and delusion around here

[nimble bridge]

Default uniforms should be pink and purple imo, it would really help with visibility

[glad trench]

Eagle Scouts vs Hugo Boss inspired Youth outfits

All my soldiers wear 7” inseam or less

[naive fractal]

[tepid plinth]

Ngl I love how something that only marginally increases sprint speed with sprint to fire times as downsides managed to get people up in arms by itself

[tepid plinth]

Gonna post a clip of me strafing side to side just to anger Reddit brb

[potent pine]

LISTEN TO THIS MAN, DEVS!!!

[potent pine]

i mean its stupid as hell when theres literally no reason to use normal sprint

[tepid plinth]

Could easily take it out and not much would change but I just find it funny how some people consider it the end of the world

[potent pine]

nobody considers it the end of the world

if youre going to have 2 sprint modes at least make it so that they each serve a purpose

[tepid plinth]

I’ve seen plenty of folks saying they hate the mere concept of it

Especially on you know where

[tepid plinth]

praying every night for access to this test

[mortal yoke]

so real

[onyx token]

Devs, I have this coming Friday off of work so if you give me access I'll order a dozen donuts to the DICE LA office

[mental acorn]

in this next bf ....

[young jetty]

Have you seen Reddit?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/jw9eritxHp

[versed token]

Reddit is irrelevant

[thin pulsar]

It will be for auto team management

[young jetty]

There’s no SBMM it’s only for team balancing depend on the person’s skill level joining a match mid game.

David Sirland already said this

[low moth]

Any got selected in this discord? or we can't even say we got selected in the NDA ? 😄

[mental acorn]

just saw tht

he even says tht

[potent pine]

youre not supposed to say that to anyone, no

[tepid plinth]

Nobody would pay it any mind if server browsers were still a thing, bf4 had a publicly viewable skill rating which would have influence during quick matches, its only been a proper concern since its exemption

[young jetty]

There…. I’m not going to say it

[nimble bridge]

Because server browsers bypasses any SBMM bruh, that's why you won't get both an SBMM and a server browser at the same time 🥶 That's why Delta Force or CoD doesn't have server browsers

[tepid plinth]

For all we know battlefield has probably had SBMM ever since quick matches became a thing. Can coexist

[half halo]

There is certainly no sbmm in BF1 and BFV, no way. I have so many hours played on both and never felt any sort of SBMM in those games.

I Play other FPS and I notice the SBMM immediately.

There is a auto balance (that you can just bypass by switching back to your original team), but it cannot be considered SBMM.

[nimble bridge]

Matchmaking notoriously worked horrible in BF3-4-1-V though, you were loading into an empty server most of the times

Only 2042's matchmaking is decent

[calm seal]

BFV did trial something in the last year of support, they were saying they were gonna release a balancer in march then it got delayed until october and then they trialed the score based thing, but I think it would kick out people from their squads and put them in empty servers. It lasted about 2 weeks.

There was also a bit in BF1 where their balancer disappeared for a few weeks and it was horrible unplayable stacked games. Loved that game though =]

[half halo]

I just read the SBMM on Reddit, my honest reaction: wtf?

[nimble bridge]

BF reddit was in a movement civil war but SBMM united both movers and movelets 😂

[tepid plinth]

I never once use quickmatch anyway so I never felt it

Didn’t know if that’s just cause I’m not exposed to the system

[hollow quarry]

y'know, Im curious

what engine did DICE use to make battlefield 3 and 4?

[versed token]

Frostbite 2/3

[hollow quarry]

ahhh ok

[quiet vapor]

was it frostbite 2 and 3

[hollow quarry]

are they using that to create the next battlefield?

[versed token]

Yes

It will be an updated one of course

the recent dead space remake also uses it

also dragon age veilguard

[hollow quarry]

I've seen a lot of talk about SBMM here as well lately?

[versed token]

Was a false alarm

[hollow quarry]

Reddit and their crap man...

[steady moss]

Thank f cking god if it’s the same as 2042 we are officially out of the blue I would really appreciate a server browser more tho

[grand crow]

This game is dead on arrival now

David Sirland confirmed there is SBMM in the game

[versed token]

Team balancing is not sbmm

[hollow quarry]

wrong

[grand crow]

His wording makes it seem like team balancing

But if you have to go into a matchmaking system through that (which he said) then it’s SBMM

[hollow quarry]

it's team balancing, which has always been in Battlefield

[grand crow]

Team balancing through a matchmaking system is SBMM

they are just trying to save face

[tepid plinth]

Team balancing hasn’t been trouble before

[grand crow]

I agree

But if you are “team balanced” through match making with no server browser that is a problem

Which is what he hinted at

[tepid plinth]

I just pray to everything holy that they give us at least a map selector if a server browser isn’t added

[versed token]

Would work the same even if we only had a server browser

[grand crow]

If we don’t get a server browser then it’s SBMM

clear as day, new name same thing

[hollow quarry]

I have a feeling we will get a server browser

that's what the portal is for

[grand crow]

If we do then it actually is a team balanced then I’m happy

[tepid plinth]

If we don’t I will go crazy

[grand crow]

It needs to be in the main game

If it’s not in the main game that’s also a problem

[tepid plinth]

I am not spending 7 minutes queuing so I can play something other than hourglass

[grand crow]

Real

[tepid plinth]

They could have a map selector and still do matchmaking for all I care but I am just not going through that again

[potent pine]

but...server browser ....its too scary for my modern brain aaaa im going insane i cant do this aaaa

[hollow quarry]

deal with it

Battlefield has always had a server browser

that's why the portal is returning in the next one

[potent pine]

i was joking mate

[hollow quarry]

ik, just playin

[potent pine]

i dont think theres anyone who actually doesnt want a server browser

[hollow quarry]

but anyway, I can see a lot of positives coming from this next Battlefield

[potent pine]

so many positives but the negatives are 💔

[hollow quarry]

No tac sprinting

[potent pine]

another battlefield without actual classes (unless they change that but i doubt)

[nimble bridge]

Portal's existence indicates lack of server browser

[coral siren]

[hollow quarry]

omg...

[versed token]

Not true

[hollow quarry]

then why is there a server browser in 2042?

[nimble bridge]

Portal servers are seperate from base game servers

[hollow quarry]

anyway, off topic of the server browser, I'm glad that there's no tac sprinting

[coral siren]

Who wanna kiss in damavand Peak :3

[tepid plinth]

Not like it changed much

[hollow quarry]

no more specialists as well

[nimble bridge]

I like the speed of tac sprinting honestly, I dislike having different sprint options though, we should have 1 fast sprint option

[hollow quarry]

my thoughts exactly

[potent pine]

have you seen the leaks

[tepid plinth]

Yes

[versed token]

It's exactly why i said it ain't true

[potent pine]

all they have is "specialisations"

gadgets and weapons are free for everyone to choose

literally no actual classes, just another 2042 fiasco but better i suppose

[feral garden]

No they aren't. Lol.

You're completely wrong. They have a full classic class system, consisting of assault, support, engineer and recon. Gadgets are class locked and weapons aren't for the testing of gunplay and movement.

Specialization wise they currently have 2 per class, and even those are specific to the class roles.

[nimble bridge]

I want a stealth assault class

Literally just Blasco with medpen is all I want

[mossy marten]

Yeah that doesn't sound strong af /s

[nimble bridge]

Would be less OP than recon perk tree we saw

[winter viper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-why-are-you-the-way-that-you-are-gif-6120030

[nimble bridge]

I hate being spotted

[winter viper]

Yeah I hate it when my enemies have eyes too

How dare they see me

[feral garden]

Entering smoke should remove all spots/markers 😊

Ninja specialization tree. 🤣

[winter viper]

It does on BFV

[feral garden]

Even on the minimap?

[winter viper]

Yep unless shooting

[feral garden]

Seems logical.

[winter viper]

Been that way forever

#1 reason I carried smoke grenades when I played recon.

[feral garden]

Honestly never noticed it tbh. I always carry smoke on all classes, just for ease of revives/safe movement

[winter viper]

Next time a spotting flare is above you, and you're spotted throw a smoke down

Just like when someone called a Arty strike, throw a smoke, the arty strike is less effective

[feral garden]

I don't play V at all anymore. But are you saying it's in all games, or it has always been in V?

[winter viper]

V

BF1 I think it worked too, but not real sure I never used them

[feral garden]

I do hope spotting and icons visibility is less in the next game. 2042 has way too much of its visibility reliant on icons, health bars and doritos.

Especially through walls and geometry at range.

[gaunt jungle]

and weapons aren't for the testing of gunplay and movement.
Worth noting we dont know if this is the case

The weapon selection seems to suggest that at least (even spread of weapon types, carbines returning), but nothing is confirmed afaik

[real tangle]

Weiß einer wann der neue Play test kommt ?

Does anyone know when the new Play test is coming?

[trim musk]

Ist wieder nur Promo... gibt's keine Playtest..ist verarsche Spiel seit BfBC ..und wird seit BF 4 immer schlechter und eine Einladung zum sogenannten LABS gibt auch nicht ...

[rugged seal]

[stray veldt]

i dont think they announced anything yet

and they will probably keep it secret

[mint cobalt]

If it is true Lisa Brown needs to be 100 feet’s away from Battlefield 6?!!!

[twin fractal]

Been seeing the subreddit blow up a bit about leaks and statements from Tigr and Totalfps and had a thought about it.

Why not be as transparent as the leakers? If they don't want people losing their minds over out of context leaks that don't reflect the current state of the game or even explain what they're doing. Why not reveal these things themselves? Yeah Tigr addressed the SBMM stuff directly but that was a PSA in the Battlefield Labs discord that had to be leaked for everyone to see it in order to calm down.

Yeah it's one thing to be patient and let things be revealed in due time, but honestly where's the need for patience to confirm things like "Yes there will be server browser for the main game, yes there will be no CoD style SBMM" if that's already been decided?

[tepid plinth]

Technically speaking we shouldn’t even be seeing the leaks in the first place, so obviously they wouldn’t have planned to make public the information anyway, it would have been at a controlled pace through the dev blogs.

But with the cat out of the bag, I really do hope they make these answers more clear

It’s the blight of leaks, and I’m shocked they didn’t have a proper plan in place for when stuff would inevitably get out

[twin fractal]

I'm reminded of the dev streams EA motive did for Dead Space Remake when they also didn't have everything concrete. They wanted to give players confidence in the remake instead of write it off as unnecessary game remake #495 and they succeeded by showing people what they want to see.

Or how when the leaks initially dropped, DICE stopped enforcing the black out on them when the reaction was overwhelmingly positive. That felt like DICE wanting to be transparent especially when Tigr was openly talking about them

Why can't that continue?

[tepid plinth]

Knowing how long it takes for any decision to go through I imagine they are still figuring out what approach to take. It was initially all or nothing, but now that it isn’t ‘nothing’ they might as well let everything slip

[fleet robin]

because there's a time and a place for everything. If they start reacting to every leak with an announcement things could get out of hand or misunderstood, especially considering we're not even meant to see the leaked things

[feral garden]

Why not be as transparent as the leakers?

Because that is a massive fucking waste of time. They are still testing and implementing feedback via Labs. Its the leakers, and players reacting to leaks, drawing conclusions from them at such an early stage who are wrong.

Leakers are also not being transparent. They are posting stuff they know will get a reaction.

[twin fractal]

Obviously the leakers are in the wrong, but it's also up to DICE to keep things in check. They have an uphill battle to fight between EA's dogshit reputation, the current state of triple A gaming, how badly 2042 burned the community, and just how cautious the core player base is this time around (i.e. No pre-orders). The leaks are unfortunate and hurt DICE's ability to constructively and proactively make the game people want but they also need to show the ability to keep player confidence through a storm of crisis for the franchise. I'd argue making big community posts that only scold the community is just as destructive as the leaks.

[nimble bridge]

They should announce it closer to release, imagine all the CoD players who would jump the ship at the thought of no SBMM

[feral garden]

They need to do nothing other than make a good game. Labs will help them do that. They will release blogs on the things they want to discuss, when they need to discuss them.

Labs members will get info earlier. Sign up and hope to be selected. If selected give honest feedback.

Otherwise, the community should stop making demands and get out of their way.

They know already what made past games good and bad. That's why they brought back the producer of one of the most beloved games in the franchise, and gave them a team of management with good taste, including people like Vince zampella.

[twin fractal]

Maybe I'm just used to how other studios handle their games but at the very least I think this battlefield would benefit from an Ask & Answer channel where people can submit questions and a developer or CM can pick and choose what to answer for everyone to read and hold the community over until there's more substantial info given so that people aren't piranha's for any piece of information that gets leaked or data-mined

[feral garden]

Why waste their time this early in the game on things like this?

[glad trench]

Most giant studios don’t do playtests like this and don’t show the game off until a couple months before launch

[feral garden]

Like is said above,and like they have stated. When they have info they want to share, they will share it with the community.

Anything else is just noise that disrupts actual game progress and development.

[glad trench]

Not sure where you’re getting the idea of an ongoing dev Q/A on features that may or may not make it in the game is normal

[feral garden]

Exactly this. They still don't know what is final. So even if they did give an answer, said answer could be made false or irrelevant once play tested and changed.

They stand to gain nothing from doing Q&A so early. We need to just let them cook.

[twin fractal]

They don't know what is final but the release date is this year or early next year?

Thats a red flag, not a call to let them cook

[feral garden]

👆👆👆👆👆

Tell us you don't know how games are made without telling us.

[mossy marten]

[twin fractal]

Look Dude, I just want DICE to stop being so damn silent. Something as simple as a yes or no answer on shit like SBMM, Server Browser, and basic UI functionality shouldn't require flooding all their comms until someone makes a dramatic community post about it. I want to be excited for the next battlefield game and this is their chance to make it happen but I'm sick of all the bite sized leaks that don't tell anything because DICE won't say anything.

[young jetty]

Pre Alpha

[short crater]

wait they're putting operators again ?

[feral garden]

Look at 2042. A game that was live, had an active player base and within a year of launch had all its maps remade, and essentially all the core systems remade. And you think a non released game, which doesn't have to worry about player progress or data or marketing/sales promises can't have dramatic changes made?

[young jetty]

No 😭

Where the fuck you get that from?

[short crater]

ah fck 1st april video

got trolled

[twin fractal]

Pre-production is when they don't have everything figured out yet. Pre-Alpha is when they have a rough draft of what they want to do and then the Alpha and Beta is when it all gets refined into what's ready for launch

[feral garden]

You've gone from logical to rage post in no time flat. So it's time to stop for me.

[twin fractal]

You were aggressive off the bat so idk what you expected

[feral garden]

I've been nothing but honest. You're living in dream land.

[young jetty]

It’s a pre alpha let me remind you again, many things you see are not finished or will be cut into the final build.

So fucking relax bro

[twin fractal]

That is false as hell because I've been around since the launch of 2042.
It took them 2 years to fix the game and bring it up to where it should've been at launch and it still remains the black sheep of the franchise, not to mention the absolutely horrid cut back on seasonal content and then hype up fixing the game per seasonal update as if it was a bonus and not a requirement, and then there's the stuff they never addressed like the recoil bug, the awful control reading and delays, 45hz servers across the board, the matchmaking rework being completely abandoned, portal getting bandaid fixes, abandoning portal, hell the fact that 3 of the 7 map reworks didn't even really improve the maps much at all and then left as is when DICE said at one point they want to go back through and do more rework passes based on community feedback.

They did a lot to fix 2042 and I commend it

But by the time the main support for the game passed I still didn't feel much optimism

[verbal crypt]

All this shit and madness making me realize I’m getting old fr. I might just play single player games and go off grid til I’m dead lmao

[tepid plinth]

Way ahead of you

Assassins creed, deus ex, Tsushima, it’s been fun but I need the call of a good shooter to bring me back

[fleet robin]

this is the way

get off social media get off online games

play story games and live a peaceful life

[covert nest]

Play mechwarrior

[verbal crypt]

I’ve been in single player only mode for a year or so too tbh. Gamepass has fed me well and spring sale too

[fleet robin]

i've got some like 1600 hours worth of singleplayer games

could stop playing online games for years

[tepid plinth]

It’s only been battlefield for me funnily enough. Had some good games launch so we’ll eat well for a while

[covert nest]

Terraria and mechwarrior have genuinely saved me from boredom and we do have some good games this year.

[tepid plinth]

Seeing so many indie games take on the mech driver genre so there will be more coming

[verbal crypt]

KCD2 and Atomfall been keeping me busy

[fleet robin]

i've had atomfall on my radar

is it any good

[twin fractal]

Tfw I've put more time into my backlog of steam sale grabs and single player games than FPS games and wouldn't be surprised if I get to keep doing so if this next battlefield is a flop

[fleet robin]

real

[tepid plinth]

Partially glad it’s given me the time to delve through them

[fleet robin]

at this point i get angry when a new game releases because i know it's just going straight into the backlog

[tepid plinth]

Ac1 was amazing

[verbal crypt]

It’s decent, doesn’t hold a candle to something like stalker or the metro series IMO. It’s like a simplified version of stalker and metro mixed. I’d give it like a 7/10

[fleet robin]

fair enough

[oak condor]

the fact that the dev posts weren't an outright denial of SBMM and instead a meandering "well we collected this data for matchmaking in other games and it was fine" gives me absolutely zero hope lol

[twin fractal]

"Will the next Game have a server browser with 3rd party hosting options and full admin tools? Yes or No?"
'Yes'
That's honest to god all I want to hear from DICE at this point

Just that 3 letter word and I'm sold

[nimble bridge]

I've been playing Final Fantasy games for the last 2 months

[tepid plinth]

Stalker 2 keeping me sane

You can see I’ve already lost it cause I put hampter over jack black

[covert nest]

Yep

[nimble bridge]

😂

[tepid plinth]

I, am Samuel

[twin fractal]

I finally got around to playing Baldur's Gate 3 because of the current FPS game drought

[tepid plinth]

save me from this pain

[tepid plinth]

Any fps I actually want to play just dies in a year :(

[nimble bridge]

Opposite for me honestly, I prefer SP games over MP games but SP drought made me want to play MP games

[tepid plinth]

I enjoyed Xdefiant. That’s been or is soon going to be axed. Splitgate is all but gone with 2 upcoming. The finals I want to enjoy but can’t. It’s just… AGGGHH

[oak condor]

xdef and the finals are (were) just so bland to me

the finals in particular gave me the vibe of a tech demo with a public release lol

aside from all the actual problems with class selection in that game

[twin fractal]

The finals is fun in bursts for me

But I can't see myself sinking hundreds of hours in

[tepid plinth]

It’s ttk alone made it fun

If it had more similar classes and was just a 6v6 tdm style thing I’d be playing it all day

[nimble bridge]

Speaking of TTK I think next BF's TTK should be 50ms slower or faster imo 250 ms TTK weapons feels good to use in 2042, new Black Ops games technically has faster TTK but ADS speeds are slower which also feels good imo

[tepid plinth]

Yes

[nimble bridge]

I don't want BF games to have slow ADS speeds similar to CoD but you can achieve similar feeling with slightly slower TTK

[tepid plinth]

Bf1’s feels a little longer as I’ve been playing it a lot recently

[nimble bridge]

Yes, BF1 has slowest TTK I believe, it used to be even slower in release appearently

[oak condor]

pushing for headshots is more obnoxious due to lack of bursting

[verbal crypt]

Finals has the best feeling mouse input out of all fps game IMO. I just wish it wasn’t so niche cause I get bored of it quick lol

[twin fractal]

It's insane that it feels that good to since it's all server side

[verbal crypt]

I know it is wild. They cooked

[young jetty]

BF1 has medium TTK

BC2 imo has the slowest TTK

[nimble bridge]

I dunno about BC2 because I haven't played it's MP

I hope GTA6 is delayed this year so we can get 2021: 2.0 in terms of multiplayer FPS bowl: Black Ops 7 vs Battlefield 6 vs Marathon

[oak condor]

automatics did damage in clean divisions of 100 like 14.3, 16.7 within their max damage range, so it was 6-7 btk that could fall off to minimum damages of like 12.5 and 11.2 (8-9 btk)

planetside 2 copied most of their homework and it's pretty much the only thing in that game that works well lol

there's a spreadsheet available if that's your fetish https://i.imgur.com/X2Mv8ya.png

[digital radish]

Has there been any word on more official info being released anytime soon? I've not paid much attention

[oak condor]

they came out to soft deny the existence of SBMM in an overly long and wishy-washy way but that's it

lots of "we understand the battlefield experience and know how it's supposed to play 🥹" and not enough "we do not and will not use strict SBMM, here's what we collect skill parameters for"

[last sphinx]

The way the skirted around saying that there is a server browser in the main game makes me worry

It might just be that they don't want to reveal data until an open beta, but 2042 and bf5 (at launch) not having a server browser does not give me hope

[covert nest]

Those who know. :)
Those who don't know. :(

[twin fractal]

speak your knowledge anime profile pic

[covert nest]

It's really sad with this pessimistic narrative but reddit moment.

No.

I don't want to be murked.

[twin fractal]

It's not that we don't want to be pessimistic, it's just this is EA we're talking about

[covert nest]

I'm sure a bunch of statements of sirland have been leaked.

That being said

I did send you something.

[nimble bridge]

[celest thunder]

have we had official confirmation about SBMM yet?

[covert nest]

Not officially no.

BUt basically just the whole sbmm thing was taken way out of proportion when the system they've been using basically has some sort of team balancer element that doesn't manipulate the kinds of matches you get into.

[tepid plinth]

True Reddit moment

[dim temple]

If you already signed up is it correct that you can't do the survey again? Because all the official links to the sign up doesn't take to anything BF Labs related, like the sign up disappeared

[tepid plinth]

I truly love the leak stage of games

[young jetty]

David Sirland debunked this

[tepid plinth]

Still not official as it was within a leaked conversation

By technicality

[young jetty]

Still he debunked this

[wanton igloo]

Anytime I see the letters …… SBMM. I just sit back and enjoy reading people melting down in anger 🤣🤣🤣

[snow fossil]

just need server browser and rentals available then it wouldn't matter

[wanton igloo]

Just need a good game

[glad trench]

man, watching the skillup marathon vid has me sitting here conflicted

this game is either dying within 2 months of launch or it's 100% going to be a "wait a year" type of shooter

[ruby merlin]

Ngl I think it looks good

I mean it's alpha and has time so things are subject and are going to change

[glad trench]

my history with Destiny, I feel like the first year will be very volatile as the flesh things out and tinker with the underlying systems.

no idea why they think a full price tag for them game is going to go over well

[wanton igloo]

The operators , maps and destruction all look fantastic

[tepid plinth]

Well tarkov is still full price and that’s going strong

[feral garden]

Because it's not a full price game. Lol

It will probably be 34.99, or a similar low price like Helldivers 2.

[glad trench]

I'll believe that when I see it. Bungie has never been shy over the last decade with pricing

they squeeze that lemon dry

[feral garden]

https://x.com/MarathonTheGame/status/1911129962943549877?t=j6CkSJ8vTPTiIvfKSOFUJA&s=19

Marathon (@MarathonTheGame) on X

Marathon will be a premium title. Marathon will not be a ‘full-priced’ title.

We’ll announce details this Summer.

X · Apr 12, 2025, 6:51 PM

[glad trench]

interesting

I still feel like any price tag will be a hard sell for my friends for a new extraction shooter

[feral garden]

Everyone said that about helldivers 2 also.

[glad trench]

then again, maybe the public tests will go so well I won't have to sell my friends on trying it

[feral garden]

Yet it sold like crazy

Good games will sell and do well. Bungie have a lot of experience making good games, monetization aside.

[glad trench]

It also released in a great state where people didn't feel like it released undercooked, like many Bungie games have been in recent years.

I hope it's great, other extraction shooters haven't tickled my itch like the OG Div1 Darkzone did

[feral garden]

Destiny 2 released in a good state, people just weren't happy with some story parts.

[glad trench]

Destiny 2 was pretty content barren and the dual primary system was almost universally hated

the first two dlc/expansions (Curse and Warmind) were luke warm at best with Curse being panned as awful and a slap in the face of the playerbase. Then after that it was pretty much every other expansion cooked

[fleet robin]

not f2p is slightly concerning but it's bungie so i think that improves their chances

just a question of how they're gonna get people to stop playing all the free extraction shooters and shell out for this one

[glad trench]

but all through D2, the monetization got worse. the cash shop got more and more greedy

[glad trench]

the firestorm situation

[fleet robin]

yep

or concord lmao

i wouldn't say the market is saturated but there's not really a lack of choices

[glad trench]

Bungie has one thing in it's bank. People will inherently know the gunplay/movement will be great

[versed token]

There aren't any with the same vibe as Marathon

[fleet robin]

yeah they really seem to be doing their best to stand out visually

[glad trench]

also, will people already playing and entrenched within Tarkov/Hunt want to shell out money for a new extraction shooter

[glad trench]

idk I think the art direction in this REALLY stands out

in a good way

[fleet robin]

definitely an interesting direction

everything looks plastic

[glad trench]

I wouldn't say plastic personally, but I understand what you're saying

[fleet robin]

and the glitchy "there's more going on than you know" vibe, similar to the finals

definitely makes it stand out

[glad trench]

it's a very minimal, "flat" look

[fleet robin]

yeah i dunno how to describe it, maybe flat is the right word

[glad trench]

not gonna suffer from BF visual clarity problems lmao

[fleet robin]

in the cinematics i was very on board, but in gameplay it almost looks a bit boring to look at

[mossy marten]

art style is kinda neat, but extraction shooter is meh for me honestly 🤷‍♂️

[fleet robin]

like here, the hud is more eye catching than the environment to me

[glad trench]

go on the sub and start making your own HUD mockups

but make them worse

[fleet robin]

real

[mossy marten]

this sounds like it has happened somewhere before

[glad trench]

and use a font that doesn't match anything at all

and make it 8pts too large

[fleet robin]

a guy posted his own bf6 hud in the subreddit and it was... interesting to say the least

[glad trench]

ya that's what we were hinting at

[mossy marten]

which one? the gold one? or the other 4 types that were posted

[fleet robin]

i saw one and tapped out for the day

[mossy marten]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jpanrb/updated_hud_concept_thoughts/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jnhedi/clean_hud/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1joewn2/minimalist_hud_heavy_inspiration_from_bf4_why_fix/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jrnj3t/bf6_hybrid_hud_concept_combines_the_older_bf34/

These are quite terrible renders

[glad trench]

so bad he needed a cig

ben affleck cig meme

[feral garden]

Parts of it aren't terrible, so I'm not going to hate. UI artists have to start somewhere

[fleet robin]

ye the third one is the one i saw

not awful and yeah at the end of the day they tried lol

[verbal crypt]

Extraction shooters don’t interest me at all but I hope it is good for folks that enjoy them lol

Also bold to release it same day as borderlands 4. When the 23rd rolls around I’ll be maxing every character in borderlands until further notice lol

[feral garden]

I like when extraction shooters don't rush you to play or force you to act. I would normally play with my GF or some mates, and we play and chat at the same time. I enjoy downtime heavy games.

Probably why I prefer conquest over rush or breakthrough in BF.

[tepid plinth]

really wish I could too given how many keep coming out

[glad trench]

does Borderlands have that much cultural pull after BL3 and that wretched movie?

[verbal crypt]

The movie was ass and tbh shouldn’t even be looked at as something that’s gonna influence the game lol. BL3 was fantastic IMO minus the dialogue and some corny characters. They seem to be going back to a darker feel (like BL2). As long as they do that, have great DLC content and raid bossing they’ll be fine

I do think it still has decent pull but then again I may just be super tapped into the borderlands community and content. Their YT stuff pulled great numbers tho

[timid kelp]

Borderlands more like Boredomlands

[glad trench]

most people I know thought BL3 was pretty meh and boring, I couldn't finish it, bored me so much

[fleet robin]

characters were mid asf but gameplay was great

[glad trench]

and I've done multiple BL2 playthroughs

idk, I don't think any game is worried about releasing around the same time as BL like they would've been prior to BL3

not that it's a bad game

it has it's playerbase, it's just not a cultural touchstone anymore like it was during BL2

[verbal crypt]

To each their own tbh lol. But I guess I just meant why not separate your release time by like a week

[feral garden]

I played lots of BL 1 and 2. But didn't play 3 at all.

[verbal crypt]

BL2 was my favorite. The dlc content was unmatched I hope they do content like that again

[rugged seal]

I think an issue it faces is that it uses humor around the time the games are made and stuff just comes and goes way faster than it did in the early 2010s and it just seems cringe by the time we get to see it

And a lot of the stuff that goes viral today is brainrot

[ebon beacon]

What!!!! I'd rather play Hazard Zone!

[tepid plinth]

What would people think about having the bf1 style vehicle infantry classes back?

I’ve seen so many people just bailing out of vehicles, wasting them that I wonder if adding those back might help disincentivise people doing that

[feral garden]

I've hope for this for a long time. Vehicle classes are such a great thing. Both logically, aesthetically and balance wise.

When I crashed a plane and bailed in BF1. The limited gear of the pilot class made every kill feel like I was cheating death and surviving.

Versus in 2042 (as an example) where you bail and it's just "Oh well, back to regular infantry play now I guess"

Iirc you could also only auto repair vehicles in bf1 as their vehicle class, or if you had a repair tool gadget on you. It all added to the immersion factor

[tepid plinth]

Created its own little narrative, loved that feeling

But simply for the fact that having a weaker kit would make people less likely to bail from a valuable asset it would be so nice

[feral garden]

IMO it's less about giving them a weaker kit to reduce bailouts, and more about giving the pilot/tanker the tools they need in context of their role.

People like the movie behind enemy lines, because when the pilot gets shot down and bails, there is tension around his survival. Remove that tension by giving them everything they need to succeed and it's just another action movie.

[versed token]

There's interesting guns you can give vehicle classes

Cause most modern armies have made guns for em

[vocal axle]

The U.S. Army helicopter crews will have an M17 or M18 handgun and a rifle nearby, and usually an M240 or 249 aboard for egress, but not usually anything special. The only SMGs in the Army are b&K APC9Ks but those are used for special military police and VIP work. SOCOM (Green Berets, etc.) have old MP5s in inventory and some Sig Rattlers but carbines have largely superseded SMGs. And pilots really just use handguns and regular carbines.

Here’s an old photo (about a decade) but you can see where the Army stores a rifle on an Apache (right side of the image near the front of the cockpit) https://imgur.com/gTK1QZQ

Back in the day tankers would carry M3 grease guns but today it’s just your good old M4 and a handgun, same as pilots.

[versed token]

Pilots don't use a regular ol m4 though

Atleast not the jet pilots

[willow trench]

im trying to see the current state of Portal under https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-labs, but im seeing an Error - "OOPS!
The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest.", anyone else has that?

[olive coral]

Same with me

[unborn peak]

Yes, same for me aswell.

[hasty lance]

Same

[mossy marten]

me still waiting on cyber pigeon to arrive

[glad trench]

Going back to Marathon, I can’t stand the argument “why would they make a game for such a niche market”

How many games have taken the niche genre and blown it into the mainstream

Large scale, combined arms sandbox shooters were niche until BF brought it together in their own twist and made it non niche.

MMOs were largely niche until WoW had everyone and their grandma playing it

MOBAs niche af until LoL/Dota2 cemented them

BRs, niche until Fortnite/PUBG

Looter Shooters was pretty much only Borderlands until Destiny/Division came along

And perhaps marathon puts it all together with enough high end gameplay to appease more hardcore players with an onboarding experience/ease of entry that works for people new to the genre. Wrap it up in a unique art style, great gunplay etc and it can provide something that Tarkov/Hunt currently don’t

[tepid plinth]

The extraction shooter market? The market that battlefield, cod and nigh every studio under the sun has tried to get into? Niche?

[glad trench]

“Nigh every studio” is a stretch and a half

[quaint peak]

does anyone remember how versatile BF1 melee weapons were with each having different range, damage, and being able to destroy different specific types of fortifications or materials depending on the tool being used as a melee? that would be cool to have back in some form.

[glad trench]

Battlefield and CoD put out half asses attempts that were practically just checking a box for investors while the devs where lost in the wilderness not knowing what the fuck the plan actually was

And there were dozens of MMOs prior to WoW, some like EverQuest that were large but niche and didn’t reach cultural cornerstone status.

[tall urchin]

Honestly I just don't care about extraction shooters because shooting AI is boring outside of extremely well curated games like Doom, and it's basically a BR with even more downtime and emphasis on looting over fighting. Also it has aim assist on M&K and that should be a punishable crime.

And then Marathon takes that formula and adds hero shooter genetic abilities on top of it.

[glad trench]

Every bungie shooter has generous bullet magnetism, if that what you’re referring to with aim assist

And I’m not saying it’s invalid to not be interested in it. It’s the argument that people make as if why should bungie or any other dev studio not take a swing at it

[tepid plinth]

I remember the hitboxes in Destiny feeling huge, assume it must be because of that

[tall urchin]

I'm personally not surprised they're taking a crack at it since it's the standard evolution of the formula and appeals to casuals for that reason, but for me it also means it has no substance that appeals to me.

[tepid plinth]

Maybe a stretch, but I’m seeing loads of them being made regardless

[glad trench]

Ya it’s the bullet magnetism, you’re cross hair can be a fair distance off your target and the bullets after firing will snap over to the target

And it varies based off weapon type

[tepid plinth]

Concord has a similar thing too it felt like

[glad trench]

Never played concord

[tepid plinth]

I’m assuming marathon will feel similar since concord was basically just destiny

[gloomy geode]

From the leaks there’s a chance that’s coming back

[tall urchin]

It has more than bullet magnetism, it has the rotational pull like Halo Infinite too.

[quaint peak]

that would be nice

[glad trench]

Marathon will feel similar because it’s going to be more or less the destiny gunplay formula

[tepid plinth]

Exactly

Like, concord itself was just destiny crucible with more characters. It’s just that people didn’t like how the characters looked or behaved

[glad trench]

On KB/M? I have like 3000 hours on destiny2 and have never felt any amount of AA. Bullet Magnetism, ya tons of it and some reticle stickiness for when you do get your reticle over the “crit spots”

But straight up rotational pulling and tracking like what controller users get… nah

Recoil is literally tuned down on kb/m because of the lack of tracking, while bullet magnetism is tuned up

[tall urchin]

Not in Destiny, no, but it's confirmed in Marathon.

[tepid plinth]

AA on mouse?

[glad trench]

Link to source, I’m curious

Was it a vid or print interview

[tall urchin]

https://x.com/Gigz/status/1911182684241682712

[glad trench]

Lmao

[tepid plinth]

Would rather have a proper official statement

But if so, instant skip

[tall urchin]

Plus its collaborated by people who've slowed down the gameplay footage and you can see the weird 0ms responsiveness that suddenly dissappears on knock

[glad trench]

They could just tone controller AA down so they’re not forced to give it to kb/m

[tepid plinth]

I don’t want F’ing aim assist on mouse

[tall urchin]

Nah, make too much money off casuals. Welcome to modern AAA FPS

[glad trench]

Or give an option to disable it

[tepid plinth]

And since I’d turn it off by default that then puts you at a disadvantage against people of your own damn input

Who am I kidding, there will be forced crossplay anyways

honestly it's so funny to me when halo added it to mouse too. They admit they don't want to turn down controller assist by doing so

it's raw aim, that's why we use it

[tall urchin]

Was even worse when Halo did that because we had charts showing how brutal the AA advantage was

Had to be top 100 mechanically just to edge out the average controller by 2% accuracy and then you lose to anyone competent by 10%

[verbal crypt]

Reject modern FPS, embrace offline single player games

[indigo pebble]

screw ssbm give us ptfo matchmaking

[indigo pebble]

is it me or has athe battlefild discord gotten real quiet latley?

[mossy marten]

Well there ain't much to talk bout

[verbal crypt]

Much quieter lol. Nothing new to talk about and we’ve exhausted conversation from past topics lol

[long dock]

Dice should invite me to a play test and I'll be more active here

[glad trench]

The last two playtests have been almost identical to the first playtest outside of being on diff map

Not much new to talk about

Also the leaks have gotten progressively worse

[mossy marten]

Yeup
Someone took a magnet to their hard drive before uploading

[faint pivot]

Gg bois battlefield is cooked, and it won’t get uncooked until they fire the call of duty devs, no battlefield player wants call of duty devs working on a battlefield game. We don’t want arcade gimmicky bullshxxttt get it together DICE

[mossy marten]

There quite literally only one ex CoD Dev. And they aren't even working on gameplay related stuff

How about taking a chill pill and waiting until an actual test can be played by most people

Also
Battlefield has always been an arcade fps so.....

[twin fractal]

Until there's confirmation of a server browser for the main game I shall remain unfairly skeptical

[mossy marten]

Highly doubt a server browser other than the one in portal is happening

But if they surprise us, cool
But I'm personally doubting a server browser

[twin fractal]

I was so sick of 2042's matchmaker that I have zero qualms with not giving DICE my money if there's no proper server browser this time.

I do not trust DICE to make a matchmaker that doesn't put me in the worst map 7 times in a goddamn row

[minor linden]

They have said "regardless of which way you join a server" in an info thing so there's more than just the matchmaker

Whether they mean join via friend or a server browser hasn't been confirmed 🥲

[mossy marten]

Yeah, I'm still expecting only a matchmaker for regular MP
Unless they confirm it, that's my expectations

[minor linden]

You do realize the devs don't have a ton of say right? 1 dev can't just say something like "eh, we're adding a ton of cod stuff". It all goes through the creatives

Also, firing the "cod devs" means the game would be severely lacking in content. From what ex-devs have said, most of the old battlefield people are long gone so they need the new devs

[rugged seal]

i would love to hear what cod stuff they mean

[twin fractal]

Don't worry about the rank and file devs, worry about who's in charge of those devs

[rugged seal]

people have said battlefield is cod since forever

[honest cliff]

People just say whatever on this discord

Half the noobs are utterly incomprehensible

[glad trench]

I remember 2011 like it was yesterday. BF2 boomers yelling at the clouds about how BF3 was going to just be a COD clone after the E3 trailer

[glad trench]

It’s okay grandpa, here are your meds

[mossy marten]

CoD and BF at their cores are arcade shooters
Of course they're gonna have some similarities

[glad trench]

I could put COD 1-3 in front of most people who cry about COD and they wouldn’t be able to tell it was COD. Literal incoherent ramblings with a false sense of superiority cuz you play x video game over y video game

[tall urchin]

Sounds good to me, the issues with CoD aren't about mechanics as much as it's predatory systems.

As for arcadey, that's exactly what BF has always been.

[naive fractal]

[mossy marten]

[covert nest]

Me when I can shoot people and realise you can do the same in both games.

[weak obsidian]

not to burst your bubble mate but Battlefield is an arcade shooter

[potent pine]

@weak obsidian @weak obsidian @weak obsidian IS THAT

suda

[weak obsidian]

sure is

[deft basalt]

ewww, aim assist on a mouse. That must be horrible lol

[weak obsidian]

welcome back halo infinite

[tepid plinth]

Don’t get why people can hate the inclusion of a system just because it exists in another game

Heck I remember when people were against the idea of dragging because it was too milsim like and ‘conflicts with the game’s pacing’ yet now we have it it’s all hunky dory

[potent pine]

because using already existing features instead of creating new ones can make the identity feel less original

[feral garden]

I thought what we wanted was for DICE to STOP re-inventing the wheel with each game tho?

[tepid plinth]

I don’t know anymore

[fleet robin]

i don't think gamers ever knew what they wanted

[weak obsidian]

it depends on the person you're asking

[potent pine]

i dont know what you want, i just said it CAN give the feeling of something like that

[feral garden]

I made no requests lmao. I dont want anything

[potent pine]

alright

[weak obsidian]

I can't believe some people don't want body dragging

it would be a life saver for medics

[feral garden]

Its just fun added interactivity also.

[potent pine]

theres so many times i had to get out of cover to revive someone but actually doing the animation would kill me, throwing out a smoke and quickly dragging the guy to cover will be so awesome

[feral garden]

The fact that drag initiation starts a revive process also stops drag/downed state griefing.

[rancid inlet]

true

[weak obsidian]

at the same I don't want every battlefield to be a clone of 3 and 4

[versed token]

There's so many that just want their hit of nostalgia again

Even though a remaster or a straight copy of those games wont have the same effect

[weak obsidian]

especially when you can already play those games already

[feral garden]

A game that follows the same, or similar design principals as BF3/4, but improves upon them (Updated movement, animation, destruction fidelity, gunplay, ETC) is what I want. Not a straight copy/paste.

[potent pine]

nobody wants a copy paste

all battlefield fans want that, the thing you just said

[feral garden]

You dont visit the BF sub often I gather

[weak obsidian]

I do

[potent pine]

i visit it

[weak obsidian]

no offense, but most of the people there are kinda dumb...

[potent pine]

the thing is EA and DICE dont want to use the same fanbase over and over and therefore want to make it marketable to newcomers

[potent pine]

their* and thats true for every place

[fleet robin]

a lot of people think that's all dice needs to do to make billions

[potent pine]

i mean

[feral garden]

Lots of people say they just want a BF4 clone. But they dont actually want that, they just want the feeling they had when they played BF4 back in the day. A bunch of boomers (like me), who dont know what they want/like.

[potent pine]

the bf fanbase is kinda dry rn

[weak obsidian]

I thought it was there in this context

[potent pine]

fuck im stuoid

stupid

sorry ool

lol

[weak obsidian]

dw it happens to the best of us

[versed token]

[potent pine]

💀

[potent pine]

back in the day?

i still play bf4 and it gives me the same feelings

[weak obsidian]

it's really funny people treating 3 and 4 like they were some kind of hyper realistic milsim

[potent pine]

im sure a lot of people do, theres very little out there thats like it

[weak obsidian]

people were complaining about the ADS speeds being too fast in the labs leaks

even tho it's like the same in the older games

[potent pine]

i think most of these people experienced the console gameplay(PS3 and 360) which was REALLY different from PC and ps4/one

[weak obsidian]

yeah that might be a factor...

clearly they've never played against an aim demon on lockers

[potent pine]

i played a lot on the ps3 and i enjoyed both tbf but the FOV and framerate is so bad...

but yes, it really had a more "tactical" feeling than PC

[tepid plinth]

I still to this day see people replying to clips like - 'I've never seen anyone play like this before', simply because they are on console and are never exposed to that kind of gameplay

[potent pine]

maybe bf6 will unite everyone once more

also dont forget to check your emails

and if you get into the playtest try every single thing you might think you can give feeback about

[weak obsidian]

I'm against movement shenanigans like that but it's pretty funny people denying that type of stuff was in the older games

[potent pine]

(hoping labs isnt just a marketing stunt and they value some opinions)

[weak obsidian]

I wish they opened up oceania testing

[potent pine]

oceania testing will be the open beta))

[covert nest]

Fucked if we know about OCE lol

[weak obsidian]

it's over ..

I should've signed up for NA

[feral garden]

All that would achieve is you breaking tests

[weak obsidian]

I can test out how their netcode is at high ping ig

[feral garden]

"why is this persons ping so high, is it a server issue"

No, its a tester who lied on their application

Im unlikely to be selected based on my locality in the EU also, but so be it.

[weak obsidian]

hopefully they open up labs more after the official reveal

[covert nest]

We will be getting access to the more public builds anyways.

[potent pine]

aaaand no server browser is confirmed 😭

[mossy marten]

inb4 thanos snap

[floral wraith]

Shid it's still early development if they're listening to the community they'll have servers and server browser

As 90% of the actual Battlefield community wants the ability to host servers from a GSP and server browser

[silver cedar]

Plus it will keep the game alive for a longer time

Look at bf4/bf3

[floral wraith]

BF4 and BF3 still are active and have servers online can't kill them

I've been playing BF4 alot lately as it's a true Battlefield experience

[silver cedar]

Yeah

Sadly I'm not a good dog fighter I'm good at flying just not good at fighting other jets

Not even ghostgaming videos can save me, but I did learn a lot from his videos

[floral wraith]

I'm decent at flying lol Tho I use the jet to get behind the enemies and jump out behind them and pew pew pew until I die which is usally pretty fast

Ghostgaming, LevelCap, and a few others are the main OG's

[silver cedar]

You think TV missiles will come back to Helicopters

[floral wraith]

Weird that they're has been no updates or anything for awhile on BFLabs

[silver cedar]

Dice is quiet

They might be working hard

[floral wraith]

I keep checking my labs to see if I've gotten in yet but no just random other games that I have no interest in like Skate

[silver cedar]

Plus in till we finally get a trailer for the game then things will change

[silver cedar]

Same

I really just want to help give feedback
And play a new battlefield

[floral wraith]

I hope they're truly listening I've played and own every single BF game I just want that OG true battlefield experience with servers and a browser and get in and do my Jihad Jeep again

[silver cedar]

I grinded bf3 PC to get max level

[floral wraith]

Unfortunately others ruin it by leaking video's of the playtesting enviroment which sucks.

[silver cedar]

Not 100 but 45

[silver cedar]

They need to invite you then

[silver cedar]

Yeah but you know the battlefield community

I started playing battlefield in 2015

Or 2014 on the ps4

[floral wraith]

I made serveral friends over the years withI started in 2002

[silver cedar]

Because Vanoss got me into it

[floral wraith]

BF 1942

[silver cedar]

And even after 2042

I still stay

Because I know dice would fix it

And they did

The little bird isn't OP any more

Jet flying some what improved

[floral wraith]

2042 didn't feel "Battlefield" for me I enjoyed using Battlelog lol

[silver cedar]

Lol

But still 2042 added a lot of cool things

Tier 1 cool as hell

[floral wraith]

Yeah I hope they bring back some Bad Company 2 maps for the nastolgic factor like Heavy Metal, Arica Harbor

[silver cedar]

The new stuff they added amazing

And the $100 version was worth it

Like 4 battle passes

Crazy good deal

[silver cedar]

Who knows

But fun fact you know the 2042 moment is the same to bf4 pretty much

It's just the animations the make it look fast

[floral wraith]

not really if you have played BF3 and BF4 the maps feel a bit off and the movement is fast

[silver cedar]

Yeah

But that's battlefield

Also movement in battlefield 2042 isn't even that bad

[floral wraith]

if you're a long time BF gamer it's very noticeable

[silver cedar]

Well true

[silver cedar]

The guns Don't really have weight to them

but just saying 2042 100% was rushed

[floral wraith]

add me on EA client or in game: UCJOHN_

[silver cedar]

Ok

[silver cedar]

Might have to do it when I get home but I'm gonna keep trying

[floral wraith]

I don't know why people build a gaming PC and then use a console controller.. I can't use a controller unless it's for a racing game but I have a wheel and pedals for that lol. I'm KB & mouse 100%

I'll throw you a dm with my username

[silver cedar]

Or hell divers

Or a souls borne game

I need a controller for that

[silver cedar]

Cool

[silver cedar]

But I 100% agree

[floral wraith]

I've been PC gaming since I was 10... I'm now way older lol but always looking for people to play BF with

[silver cedar]

Same

[feral garden]

Is your source that you made this up in your head?

[silver cedar]

Probably

[floral wraith]

Probably going off of a leaked video lol

[silver cedar]

When I mean same I mean I look for people to play battlefield

[fleet robin]

people keep saying this about random shit being confirmed with zero actual proof lmao

[floral wraith]

I just added a small upgrade to my pc to be ready for new games.

People say alot of things I wait for it to come from the horses mouth

[silver cedar]

Nice

[feral garden]

If it were me, id insta ban anyone who makes false claims about X or Y being "Confirmed" at this stage lol

[floral wraith]

Went from 32GB of ram to 64GB you know just to be ready for new games lol

[silver cedar]

Damn nice

I wonder if there will be guns in battlefield 6

Throw up throw up throw up

[floral wraith]

I should hope there is guns in a Battlefield game.. can't do a military shooter and just stab and slap people

that would be very weird

[maiden hamlet]

It would just be FIELD otherwise

[silver cedar]

Play seven Nations army

[feral garden]

Na, I dont like the White Stripes

[silver cedar]

What you think about the bf2042 trailer music then?

[feral garden]

Terrible

[silver cedar]

Uh then what do you want

[feral garden]

I dont have any demands for music.

[silver cedar]

Okay keys play no music

Just gun fire got it

[feral garden]

you dont need to ping reply to every single message.

[silver cedar]

I'm sorry

Are we gonna get any news or trailer

I'm so fucking bored

[floral wraith]

BF4 had great music

[silver cedar]

ノಠ_ಠ)ノ

[silver cedar]

Oh yeah the last stand trailer

That music was good

[floral wraith]

I like my War Tapes sounds

[silver cedar]

I'M SO BORED

[floral wraith]

the rumble in my headset

Hi bored I'm John

[silver cedar]

Hi john halo

[floral wraith]

Hiyahh

[silver cedar]

I hope the playtesters are doing well

And I hope they are giving feedback

[floral wraith]

I don't even know if they're is even a playtest on right now

[silver cedar]

Idk

When did the bf labs trailer came out?

[feral garden]

Feb 3rd

[silver cedar]

2 months ago

My God

ඞඩාඞඩාඩාඩාඩාඩාඩාඩා

We might be cooked

We probably not getting a trailer anytime soon

Its like the halo infinite wait all over again

When halo follower made that animation

"I want some NEWS"

"Say something"

[feral garden]

Bit dramatic, given halo released and got nothing for months...while the next BF is being playtested often, and under a system we area all aware of.

[copper vale]

are there still spaces for bf labs

[feral garden]

Yes

[silver cedar]

Squidward, I don't know what you're talking about

[copper vale]

lmfao

how long would it take to get a code?

[feral garden]

Testers are chosen randomly, from within the US and EU regions. There is no specified time, or guarantee to be chosen

[copper vale]

thank you

[potent pine]

check plebbit

[silver cedar]

Noone talks to me. Noone wants to be my friend-- They think I am unstable.

[feral garden]

what is reddit going to tell me?

About as reliable a source as randoms here

Leaks like these are only hurting the game/its community. People taking data mines from pre alpha, unfinished game versions as gospel, and the last word when it comes to what will/will not be in the game.

[tepid plinth]

Without even understanding the contents of what is contained within the test too

[feral garden]

Its also cringe AF behavior to state stuff like this. When we dont even know what the set up for the next games systems/back-end will be.

Lets play devils advocate for a second and say that the server browser is going to be access via "Battlefield 6 Portal".

Who is to say that they have not made the whole game around Portal (As they should have done with 2042), and said browser will act as the "Portal" through which you join official and custom community games.

We just dont know enough to judge. Judge when you have official confirmation. Stop with these stupid reactions.

[tepid plinth]

I just see it as impossible to critique without actually playing it. Half the systems we still probably don’t even know about

[covert nest]

They better make the game around portal.

[feral garden]

All 2042s portal was missing is the abilty to query live/active official servers.

[tepid plinth]

If it could do that then problem solved

[covert nest]

It's really easy to make a jab at the battlefield community but really I think recent gaming has messed with people's critical thought approach to it.

They advertise server browser in the main menu where aow is and sprinkle in some of their own servers literally set ready go.

[tepid plinth]

I do find it odd that they didn’t consider ever adding a map filter when the functionality to choose a map for solo matches already exists, as a supplement for the lack of an actual browser

[feral garden]

Short form content is rotting peoples brains, making so many people prone to having no critical thought, and only posting instant reactions in order to be first to have it.

[covert nest]

I remember when 2042 was in pre release the community wasn't this bad.

It's crazy how much has changed.

Grifters too.

[tepid plinth]

Network test leaks my beloved

[covert nest]

The community was bad

[verbal crypt]

2042 fucked with people so bad they expect the worst lol

[covert nest]

But it wasn't this bad.

[covert nest]

I'm trying to speak generally not focus in on battlefield. Like I said it's really easy to talk shit the battlefield community

[tepid plinth]

Honestly over the last two years I’ve found myself having different perspectives compared to what gaming communities consider the ‘proper take’ to where such things don’t effect me anymore

[feral garden]

Yeah, now we also have to deal with bad faith leakers. Posting sped up or slowed down videos of pre-alpha to force a narrative.

[covert nest]

I literally don't watch gaming videos unless they're analysis of its themes.

[tepid plinth]

Fellow retrospective watcher?

[covert nest]

There's a video based around lobotomy corporation and its a fucking mess.

Yeah I would say?

[tepid plinth]

Yeaah

[covert nest]

Decino analysis videos too

Round doom

[potent pine]

i dont want it to be true, but do you seriously trust dice and EA to deliver a server browser?

[tepid plinth]

Love sitting down for a good 6 hour long game critique

[covert nest]

I'm always listening to stuff at work.

So it's helpful to have something on as i do stuff.

[tepid plinth]

Since I’m studying game design specifically at uni it sort of has you avoiding this common pitfall that modern gamers seem to fall into

[covert nest]

There was even a video around mechwarrior which was a surprise.

[tepid plinth]

There’ll be vids for everything

[feral garden]

I dont trust any mega corporation. But im going to give them the benefit of the doubt, as I trust the games senior devs and producers.

[covert nest]

Actually could I suggest a game that made me take notice about game design?

Play resident 4 remake.

[potent pine]

they dont want us to get a server browser because they need the game to die in order for people to buy the new one

[tepid plinth]

Fire away

[covert nest]

Re4 remake actually makes you pay attention to the game, the ammo and the enemies.

Everything is so brilliantly intertwined.

[feral garden]

What im not going to do is post reactionary "X/Y is confirmed" as there is literally no way for me, or anyone to know.

[tepid plinth]

Will give it a look

[covert nest]

It's kinda make me realise what parts of the games have you focus on

And its how they suck you in

[verbal crypt]

Please just give me by beloved EOD bot

[covert nest]

And encourage good behaviour.

[tepid plinth]

Haven’t played RE, and I just prefer looking at retrospectives for games I’ve played since it’s easier to understand the context and feel

[feral garden]

Even those who ARE playtesting dont have a clue what the game will/wont have. everything is subject to change.

[covert nest]

Yeah thst makes sense.

Mechwarrior has been treating me well even though it's aim for the fusion reactor and blow everything up around you.

[tepid plinth]

Plus just thinking about the design of games you play with a critical mind will definitely help you enjoy them more

[covert nest]

Yeah

[verbal crypt]

I’ve just been playing a ton of games from indie devs lately. So much passion and love in the projects

[tepid plinth]

Or games made like 20 years ago

Both go hard

[verbal crypt]

Yep agreed

[covert nest]

It's funny terraria is turned into a bullet hell when it's the game that's not the best bullet hell

Yet I go through hell

[feral garden]

Ive been playing Vampire Survivors and Death Stranding haha

[verbal crypt]

Both great games

[tepid plinth]

So far I’ve got 18000 words written as an analysis document while I play stalker 2 :|

[covert nest]

LOL

[tepid plinth]

Scratch that, it’s actually 24000

[verbal crypt]

Yo what lmao

[covert nest]

Oh yeah did you guys see be leaked screenshots for the oblivion remake.

[verbal crypt]

Yes

Give it to me on gamepass

[feral garden]

MS would be wild to shadow drop that

If rumors are true

[tepid plinth]

It’s just fun. Plus, I’ve been publishing them publicly for practise

[covert nest]

You can't shadow drop it.

[covert nest]

Ohhh

[tepid plinth]

Yeah as part of our uni course they’ve got us publishing analysis docs, got about 20 on the go at the moment lmao

But yeah, saw the oblivion stuff. Certainly looks pretty

[covert nest]

Ue5 but hopefully it handles well.

It's 01:42 I must slep

[tepid plinth]

Imagine being upside down

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-stranger-things-gifs-stranger-things2-will-byers-noah-schnapp-gif-9284685

[verbal crypt]

Coconut head mfer

I hated this fucker in that show lmao

[glad trench]

I will stan whatever game Supergiant Games makes

and can't wait for Hades2 to come out of early access

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

2042/V still are "true battlefield" games

[glad trench]

who's the "actual community"?

I've been around since 1942, hostable servers are a nice feature but honestly if Dice just gives us the ability to select a map from the matchmaker to start on, that would fix most of people's complaints about the auto matchmaker

and keeping persistent servers so you cycle through the maps naturally (like BFV) rather than relying on the MM to not queue you right back into the same map

[twin fractal]

Here's the problem with just selecting a specific map and waiting.
What if none of the servers have that map running. Are we now forced to sit in queue for upwards of 20 minutes until a server dumps and opens that map? With a server browser I can see and confirm that none of the servers are running the map, which means I can play a different map until then instead of sitting and wondering if the matchmaker is broke or not

Wanting a server browser is about having access to more information

[glad trench]

they can add a parameter that after x amount of seconds/mins says there's no server with that map up, and it puts you in something else

I stg most of you are just trying to find reasons to not like a game that's not out yet

[mossy marten]

they should just do persistent servers if there is no server browser
selecting maps and waiting is pointless

or they go CoD route and pre lobby has a map vote 🤷‍♂️

[twin fractal]

I don't need the game to waste my time telling me that after however much time passes when I can confirm that in a glance over a server list.

[glad trench]

BFV matchmaker with lobby map vote would be ideal

[glad trench]

oh WoW, 30 seconds of your time might be wasted

[twin fractal]

30 seconds waiting when all I need is 10 seconds to look over a server list.

[glad trench]

compared to joining from a server browser, getting dumped into a game that's 5 mins from being done, then you're back at square 1

[twin fractal]

The server browser can tell you how far a game has progressed.

[glad trench]

they'll never do that

[twin fractal]

Then I won't buy the game

[glad trench]

cool

sounds like you don't want to buy the game to begin with

[clear viper]

I think it'd be a cool feature but like not playing the game over it is a bit insane

[twin fractal]

Oh no I absolutely want to

[glad trench]

no, you don't. making an arbitrary list of demands ~6-12 months from release, then complaining about them saying you won't buy if X isn't there, really leans the opposite direction.

you're looking for reasons

[twin fractal]

Remember "legacy features" with 2042?

If one thing goes it emboldens the removal of other things

[glad trench]

a supersoldier leap in logic right there

[twin fractal]

Not really

Battlefield 5 didn't have a server browser at launch and when it came back, DICE hid it behind 2 menus

2042 completely got rid of the server browser and tried to pass off the sorry excuse for the one in Portal as good enough.

[glad trench]

ya but what other things did that embolden them to remove

[glad trench]

and BF4 required you to use a fucking internet browser to use theirs

[clear viper]

Having a server browser is completely different from a random feature that nobody really cares about

[minor linden]

The scoreboard

[twin fractal]

And they rectified that with the steam release and now I more regularly play that game instead of once every few months.

[clear viper]

I never check to see if a game is close to ending because if it is I'm just patient and wait for the next round to start

[twin fractal]

Squad management

[glad trench]

[mossy marten]

working mouse input

[twin fractal]

Working recoil

Those two aside, removing the server browser promotes removing player agency. And player agency is a core aspect of Battlefield

[clear viper]

My only priorities in joining servers are passible ping, not extremely empty, and as long as it has like some maps that aren't complete ass

[glad trench]

1. those were not features that they were emboldened to remove, that's a product of a fucked dev cycle

2. attributing a server browser to in game player agency is again, a supersoldier leap in logic

[clear viper]

I don't think removing a server browser causes any of that because these things weren't problems in BFV. 2042 was just made in 15 months and made by people trying to do everything differently

[glad trench]

again, you're looking for reasons to get worked up and say you're not buying a game that's probably a year from release

[clear viper]

I love the server browser as much as the next guy but it's not life or death for a game

[glad trench]

rather than just waiting until release, seeing what the game has to offer, deciding yes/no then going on with your life

[verbal crypt]

2042 feels like mushy pea shooter. Worst input ever tbh lmao

[glad trench]

it's giving r/battlefield energy

[twin fractal]

There are games from 15 years ago that are still alive because of its server browser while games of similar age with only matchmaking are completely dead. A server browser enables the longevity of a game.

[clear viper]

I agree with you but for an active game it's not that big of a problem is my point

[mossy marten]

anyway, we should expect the least anyway with this BF game
the minimum to beat is 2042 and BFV

[glad trench]

that's not a server browser, that's rentable/hostable servers

[young jetty]

Im not gonna to say anything because I don’t want to get another warning

[glad trench]

DICE can decide to shut down their servers at any time with a server browser

[twin fractal]

That's exactly what I did with 2042 because DICE gave no information and I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

[glad trench]

ya that's what I did too, played the tech alpha and beta, waited until release to see what my friends others said. decided not to buy it

waited until like midway through season 1 when it was on sale

[twin fractal]

Yes. That's exactly what they did with Bad Company 2.
And dedicated players revived the game with a 3rd party software because there was a server browser to tap into.

[clear viper]

I'm not advocating for no server browser but I doubt it will literally kill a game

[glad trench]

No, because there was an API/backend to tap into that DICE/EA allows

[twin fractal]

It won't kill the game, but it will hurt the chances of winning back the community who are literally working from the bottom of the barrel for a good battlefield game

[young jetty]

2042’s gameplay trailer sucked ass I don’t know how people were still hyped

[glad trench]

If the game works at launch and has fun gameplay, the BF community will be won over

and casual player retention and turning a new generation of people into BF fans is far more important than appeasing the "community"

[twin fractal]

Bringing in a new generation of players should mean introducing people to the same battlefield formula as the standing community has always had. That includes being able to use a server browser. Video games are about offering their own experiences, and people will flock to different experiences. And a server browser is absolutely part of what can set a games own experience.

[tall urchin]

Except casuals don't have any perceived concept of standard or understanding of the game itself, all they look for is ease of play and want a high skill floor.

[glad trench]

It's the year 2025, most zoomers and gen alpha probably have no idea of a server browser, so it's not a selling point or an experience that sways them at all

Other than coordinating when I have more than 3 friends on at a time and getting them all into one server on the same side, I've really had no difference in experience

[twin fractal]

You say that and I raise you Counter Strike 2 which has a huge population of Gen Z and Alpha and has probably the single most populated server browser hub in gaming.

[glad trench]

and how many do you think are playing custom games compared to the usual casual ranked mode where you MM into

which ironically sounds like 2042, MM into the core game modes, [Portal] for custom games/servers

[twin fractal]

Yes. But the argument I was making is that a server browser is not a foreign concept to Gen Z or Gen Alpha.

[faint pivot]

Compared to call of duty it is a much more realistic arcade shooter, you know what I’m talking about or maybe you don’t because you are a call of duty player, battlefield always had way more realistic immersion from explosions to effects, from sounds to movement and gunplay all the way to physics, let’s not act like battlefield was anything close to call of duty in its bf3 and 4 days. Still was always way more immersive and attention to detail than call of duty.

[mossy marten]

[faint pivot]

One ex cod dev and all the OG players can see it’s still catering to call of duty more than battlefield, that one ex cod dev can fuck it all up, put one single droplet of red dye in clear water the water gets murky one decision can ruin everything so yes it matters highly, there should be no call of duty at all mixed w battlefield, ex dev, ex game mechanic, nothing, this is battlefield not call of duty x battlefield.

[faint pivot]

Simple changes make it more immersive or not, we don’t need grenade wind trails, the small red dot on a geenade in 3 was perfect, we don’t need points racking up like its apex legend with each hit marker, we don’t need diving at all or sliding gimmicks in this game, drop down dive like in 3 and 4 was perfect, we need realism, weight added, substance, not just floaty run and gun gameplay, you obviously don’t know what I’m talking about if you think battlefield has always been an arcade shooter. Might wanna go back to cod

[pulsar shard]

I agree

[versed token]

[faint pivot]

Like where do you get we thought bf3 and 4 was a milsim lmao you people that say this are definite call of dookie players, no one thought battlefield was ever a milsim we just understood it’s far more realistic and less arcadish than call of duty, you seem to love that style of gameplay so go play that and stop giving opinions on battlefield since you can’t decipher the difference between what OG players mean between realism and arcade when it comes to battlefield 🤣

[pulsar shard]

Bro these people are the same people who hate BF1 one of the most successful BF games

[honest cliff]

Some people just do everything but enjoy the game

Funnily enough most of them yap about it here

[faint pivot]

It’s cooked then unfortunately, they’re so fucked on devs they need to use call of duty devs 😭😭😭😭 pathetic man. I had hope but as an OG player since bf2 on regular Xbox our beloved franchise is done. GGs

[faint pivot]

We can’t enjoy piles of dog shit like 2042 and if you do you either gullible asf or are some cod apex player lmao

[devout gazelle]

Weird takes in this chat

[faint pivot]

It’s simple, if they can’t master what they did with bf3 and bf4 with slight integrations and upgrades and continue to cater to fast aces run and gun call of duty players, the games cooked for majority of its real fan base. Simple as that

[honest cliff]

Ok so play the older games that you like. I hate 2042 too, but if the franchise starts to suck then probably try out something different

[faint pivot]

I do do that but no one should even accept that garbage, regardless if it’s stable now if ppl stood on their 10s and refused to buy it it would die out but nope, they’re catering to call of duty players because they know the real battlefield players wouldn’t accept this and call of duty players are the only ones that will keep numbers up

[feral garden]

This. 99% of players just want to select the mode they want to play, the map they want...and be put in a game with those parameters.

Ideally what they would do is both improve the matchmaking experience (Have matchmaking that puts you in a persistent lobby/in a map rotation), and also make a server browser that's more user friendly for console and PC players.

Other QoL stuff from past games would ideally also return, like end of round map votes. Give players at least the illusion of control

[glad trench]

You mean like BF4 where it took two years and a public test environment to fix the game that y’all now glaze?

“Real battlefield players” lmao

You know what “real battlefield players” said about BF3 and 4?

Going to blow your mind on this too, BF has always been run and gun and the gameplay has never once been grounded in realism

[mossy marten]

[feral garden]

BF4 design was solid tho, it had a bunch of backend/technical bugs that made it suck.

2042 had both bad design and a shit tonne of bugs in comparison

As well as a bunch of technical issues ha

[mossy marten]

I got the persistent error bug yesterday
3.5 years after the game released

[glad trench]

I’d argue bad map design, vehicle balance and general weapon/gadget balance were always busted

[feral garden]

That usually happens to me when I swap from Ps5 > Pc on 2042. Not had it happen outside of that tho

[mossy marten]

I only play on pc

[glad trench]

And levelution was awful

[mossy marten]

Still shows how busted 2042 is

[tepid plinth]

I keep getting the mouse glitch 3.5 years after the game released

[mossy marten]

The spin out one?

[tepid plinth]

The one where it just flicks to a random position for no reason

[mossy marten]

That one I've never experienced personally
Logitech mouse?

[tepid plinth]

I could just be going on my merry way, or be in a fight and it’ll just snap around 30 degrees to some random place

Razer viper

And of course this hasn’t happened in any other game ever

[mossy marten]

I remember Ghub and 2042 hate each other

[tepid plinth]

Got a clip I posted here about 2 years ago showing it in action

And I still get it

[feral garden]

Ive only experience that issue when my PCs HID system was busted.

[tepid plinth]

I find it hard to imagine it’s purely my end because it’s so unique to this game

[feral garden]

Or when I had a controller connected and my cat hit the stick

[tepid plinth]

But all my efforts to fix it are in vain

[mossy marten]

When i used a Logitech mouse and had ghub, I'd get that spin out bug, but haven't used a Logitech mouse in at least 2 years

[feral garden]

I just dont use any mouse or KB software at all (App based software I mean...obviously they need software lol). If this shit cant work without software, im not gonna buy/use it

[mossy marten]

Endgame gear op1 8k uses portable exe (no install, setup mouse and delete forever)
And many higher quality keyboard companies don't need software, but can adjust stuff via web software

I don't use razer, logi, corsair, other big brand peripherals

[feral garden]

I use razer for both mouse and KB.

Razers low profile mechanical boards are the best ive ever used.

[oak condor]

logitech has something like this with onboard memory manager

[mossy marten]

Yeah, but its still Logitech 🤮
Build quality is atrocious
And doing maintenance on their mice is more trouble than it's worth

[tepid plinth]

I’ve not had a spin out, but I’ve gone through all the settings possible within Razer synapse and nothing has eradicated it

[feral garden]

Delete synapse 😛

[tepid plinth]

Fortunately it only happens once every 40 minutes or so but by Jove is it annoying

[tepid plinth]

Then I can’t change the polling rate or mouse keys

[feral garden]

uninstall all your HID devices, then plug in your mouse and KB. the issue will probably be gone

Polling rate change is snake oil AF tho haha

[versed token]

Set it at whatever you want and leave it like that forever

[feral garden]

99% of games cant even take advantage of it, and most CPUs cant even keep up with poll rate over 1000

[versed token]

How often do you use synapse is the question

[mossy marten]

Polling over 1000 is noticeable
It's just that doing it on w10 is not the move

But either way, would recommend checking out niche brand mice and keyboards
Usually the same price or cheaper than big brand, ease of maintenance, and less garbage software that needs to be running

[oak condor]

there's absolutely zero QA on their midrange mice but the $10 office mice and g pro wireless are indestructible for some reason

i dont get it either

[tepid plinth]

Honestly never to be honest

Suppose I could just reinstall it if I need it

But for it to only affect 2042? Seems odd

[feral garden]

Synapse also has a bunch of stupid controller emulation stuff built into it these days. they use it for advanced mapping and macros...its so terrible.

[mossy marten]

Yeah, logitech is weird
Taking apart a g502 and g703 is cursed af with 5 types of screws and screw lengths
Along with stupid amounts of plastic on the inside

[tepid plinth]

Well I’ll see how it goes, will delete and see what happens

posted the glitch in clips

happened at the worst possible time

[feral garden]

Make sure you uninstall all your HID devices also. Cos Razer stuff loves to mess with your PC like this. These devices all in the bracket were from synapse installing and re-installing stuff

when there should only be 2

[tepid plinth]

can't post a screenshot of my list here, don't want to be an ass but would you mind checking my list real quick?

[feral garden]

Just start by uninstalling anything labelled as razer, then replug it and go

If you have no issues, youre good

[tepid plinth]

will quickly get rid of synapse

am I to get rid of everything labeled HID?

[feral garden]

Na, just anything called Razer

[tepid plinth]

only got the razer viper here

[feral garden]

then replug the mouse/device and it will re-install

[tepid plinth]

well that required a bit of acrobatics

[naive fractal]

lol wait are you guys talking about razer synapse?

if you are, absolute virus

[tepid plinth]

yes
i've had it since I got this mouse about 3 years ago

thanks for the heads up

[naive fractal]

ive made a conscious effort to never install that software again

[tepid plinth]

i've never had any problems that could have related to it, or at least none that haven't slipped by me

[feral garden]

Its gotten a million times worse since they started trying to compete in the analog switches department.

[tepid plinth]

but I know one game, either bfv or 2042 didn't like me running at 8k so i had to lower it, so i got the software and never got rid of it

just straight up unplayable initially

[feral garden]

when I bought my current KB, it enabled some setting that lets you map keys like your board is a controller. Like that isnt blatant cheating in a lot of FPS games

IIRC a bunch of games blacklisted synapse because of that stuff, and banned the use of their snap tap analog functions

[tepid plinth]

so you could press a keyboard key and it still work if you have a controller plugged in?

[feral garden]

Yeah

[tepid plinth]

well, will see if that's any better

it's a semi rare glitch but it infuriates me when it happens

no joke one point it happened the literal millisecond i went to fire a rocket at a tank, ended up shooting my feet and killing me

[feral garden]

If you use a wireless mouse, make sure to also minimize electric interferance between mouse and PC. Ive seen a bunch of people lately have issues related to this.

[tepid plinth]

fortunately I do not

although maybe this was for the best anyway given your comments on synapse lol

if uninstalling this doesn't give me a better Patstrafe score in kovaaks I sue

[indigo pebble]

has anyone noticed slide aint working on 2042?

[verbal crypt]

Yeah new movelet update

[indigo pebble]

welp its worse lol

[verbal crypt]

Lmfao

[weak obsidian]

"far more realistic"

yeah...

that's pretty funny