battlefield-labs-discussion

[tepid plinth]

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[tepid plinth]

And of course the classic movement discussion never stops

I’m glad I can enjoy both ends of the spectrum so whatever they go for doesn’t matter

[versed token]

Air strafing ain't gonna fly with roller players

[tepid plinth]

I find it so interesting how you could present someone with a video of pc bf4 footage from the last 5 years, but ‘nobody ever did that on console’ is supposed to brush away the fact that it existed

[versed token]

It is what it is

They're basically different games movement wise

console and pc bf4

[flint bronze]

Is the alpha still going on? When are they going to invite more people?

[nimble bridge]

Yes, no one knows

[oak condor]

it's a nice persistent reminder that crossplay was a mistake

[nimble bridge]

Let's hope next BF will have player counts good enough so we can disable it, or enable it to let's say, gyro/MNK only

[silk jackal]

you can disable it u know ^^

[oak condor]

that doesn't magically stop the game from being designed around the lowest common denominator crossplay players

which is why movement has been such a question so far

console players are mentally blocked from pressing two action buttons at the same time so we're waiting to see what the workaround/handicap is

[feral garden]

How does this make any sense, when the game with the most movement capabilities (2042) via grappling hooks, wingsuits, sliding, jump crouch bunny hopping, etc...also has crossplay?

[oak condor]

hopping out of slides isnt super great so you mostly have single action sliding or single action jumping, you dont have complex inputs like bf4 air strafing or whatever was going on in bf2

it's all very designed in and on rails

[feral garden]

You say this like any of those things were intentional parts of BF4. They were all exploits possible due to the movement physics. Same with vehicle launching, bouncing, etc.

[oak condor]

air strafing as a concept has been around since quake and used to be celebrated as something to learn and master

[feral garden]

By like 1% of the playerbase

[oak condor]

theres nothing to learn in 2042 besides maybe jump timings and the penalties make it eh for time investment

[oak condor]

loooooooooool

[feral garden]

I would wager that 99% of average BF players would have no clue wtf air strafing even is, or that it existed. You guys just live in bubbles, assuming these things were commom knowledge

[mossy marten]

[feral garden]

The movement we've seen from labs looks good. So no complaints from me. 👌

[oak condor]

you got it backwards, bf players are stuck in the bubble and dont watch or play other games except to get mad at them, that's why they miss stuff that should be instinctual at this point like turning your camera into the direction of a jump

[covert nest]

Even by the good players bf4 played much different in mere part of the control scheme. Not really to say who and what are better but just a matter of circumstance.

God 2013 to 2016 really wasn't the longest time huh

I was gonna say there was a large gap between 4 and 1 but that's just the standard time for a battlefield release.

Relatively relatively.

[oak condor]

i miss tribes

unintended movement became the basis for a whole new style of game and people loved it

[covert nest]

Skillful movement I'm an advocate for though trying to keep the gap wide yet narrow enough brings actual challenges.

[verbal crypt]

We must not allow the movelets to prevail in their quest for realism

[feral garden]

People just want a good modern BF game for once. Ye need to stop with this stupid shit

[verbal crypt]

I want that too but having mechanics and things in place that allow a skill gap is fine. There are videos all the way back from BFBC2 utilizing advanced movements and techs. No reason to try to strip movement down so much that it plays like hell let loose or some shit lol

I just truly don’t understand how so many people see a VERY mid “bunny hop” and think movement is busted lol. The Reddit community gotta be 60 year olds on plasma screens

[feral garden]

We already know we are getting good movement ability. Its this constant attempted baiting of players who want more modest movement that needs to stop.

[nimble bridge]

Good modern BF games all had movement

[feral garden]

As does this current one in development.

[glad trench]

There’s been no indication that their incoherent babble is being listened to or designed upon

[verbal crypt]

I just worry a bit cause it feels like 95% of the BF player base are controller users and sub 1 KD players lol

[glad trench]

If DICE fucks it up it’s because it’s just DICE doing DICE things like the BFV TTK

Ya because you’re reading comments from the game’s subreddit

Which is pretty much exclusively bad players that represent a minuscule % of the actual playerbase

[vocal axle]

Battlefield isn’t a tactical shooter but it should at least feel grounded. I’m fine with the gunplay being pretty lethal as long as it’s not too fast. A little movement isn’t the problem as long as it’s not spammy.

[feral garden]

Same. A mix of BF4 and BFV (As it seems to be) is perfectly fine with me.

[glad trench]

Spammy movement has always been in BF (in different shapes and forms through the years). Really do not get this idea that the gameplay within BF was ever "grounded" unless you imposed those restrictions upon yourself

outside of visuals/sound design the gameplay itself has never been grounded

[verbal crypt]

This^ look up bf4 zouzou compilations if you wanna shit yourself lol

I do like the BFV slide tbh that’s solid with me

[glad trench]

Not even getting into zouzou etc

[tall urchin]

They just don't like getting skill diff'd and since they can't reduce a good player's skill they have to target skill expressions to remove the gaps itself.

Same when you look at discussions around aim assist, people want to "balance" it but always measure against the top 1% mechanical players on M&K as their basis. They want the average person to be on par with the best.

[pulsar shard]

I wanna see you guys complain in cs go when a good player with good reflexes ,position and good aim out diffs you.I bet you gonna cry for not being able to abuse movement

[versed token]

Imagine abusing being able to move

Instead of being constrained to standing or crouching

[digital niche]

#SayYesToRefuseRevivesInBF6

#SayNoTo3DSpotting

[mossy marten]

Idk why you're comparing CS:2, a tactical shooter, to Battlefield, an arcade shooter

[half halo]

LOL, just because one game don't let you move a certain way doesn't mean all games should have the same mechanics

Seriously this movement debate over a skill issue is getting tiresome

[pulsar shard]

Why are you guys getting aggressive ?

[mossy marten]

I'm simply pointing out the apples to oranges comparison you made

[feral garden]

Its all such a stupid arguement anyway. Youre trying to arue that someone elses preference is wrong. Like just let it go. Other players will have different preferences to you. No one player, or group of players is going to have a massive affect the movement capabilities all that much for the next game.

[pulsar shard]

Okay cool story

[mossy marten]

Well, it would be more of an apples to pears since their both shooters at a fundamental level

[feral garden]

"Oh you like instant Coffee, wow youre an idiot, you really should learn to brew your own fresh. Stupid coffee n00b" - Half the conversations on movement here are like this

[manic gate]

Speaking of movement..

[glad trench]

Because the basis of your argument is stupid

[manic gate]

I thought this meme was fitting here

[glad trench]

Also because outplaying with movement is a big factor in CS

[pulsar shard]

This happens from the movement side only,they are the ones who always start these immature arguments with insults

[manic gate]

good ol ad hominem

[tall urchin]

Yeah, movement is still very much an aspect to CS. Wide peeking vs jiggle, stutter stepping, and there's still other advanced mechanics that are used in very fringe scenarios.

[ebon beacon]

The unsafe revive problem would be solved overnight if they just..

• rewarded zero XP
• no mastery progress (defib badge, support badge, Falk badge if the syrette belongs to the offender)
• and no score
  for tap-revives or revives under 90%.
  The concealed revive bonus should be a full 50 XP as well, to encourage smokes.

GOD I just hate idiots who tap with the defibs and are rewarded because of it

[tall urchin]

But trying to compare an arcade FPS to a tac FPS is just daft anyway

[feral garden]

I get what this post and video is trying to show, but it kinda makes the point for both sides.

1. Yes it was possible in older games
2. It looks stupid as fuck, and if 50% of players (In BF2) were acting like this the game would look garbage

[mossy marten]

that's what i said

[feral garden]

Schrodingers safe revive is it? lol

A revive both is and isnt safe until the outcome of the revive is achieved.

[ebon beacon]

but the outcome of the revive is heavily skewed toward "safe" if a smoke is used, no?

[feral garden]

Unsafe revives havent been an issue since youve been able to send yourself back to respawn menu anyways. It was only a problem in BF3 cos you could infinite lock a player in a up/downed position

Punishing a medic/support for doing any type of revive is poor balancing and a bad idea IMO. Any type of negative reinforcement for a positive action (A revive in this case), regardless of how/when it happened should not happen.

2042 kinda screwed itself with score and such by being to simplistic with how or why it was earned. So getting X% of a reward bonus for only doing a partial revive feels kinda weird. Im personally glad the next game has gone back to the older way of calculating XP/score

AKA, action and affect = score. Not just action as score, and XP as action + affect as it is in 2042.

[digital niche]

It's so annoying when you tell your squadmates not to revive you because the enemy is RIGHT THERE and they go and revive you anyway because "hey it doesn't count towards your death count" and i died right away because of that stupid revive
Like bro shut up because you waste my time with brainless revives

[rancid pecan]

hey guys! there are still possibilities for be picked up for the labs?

[feral garden]

Yes. there will be a possibility to be selected as long as labs exists, even post launch as far as we know

[quick merlin]

and they are any less to be heard than you?

[verbal crypt]

Not saying that, BUT it is very obvious and clear that over the years (especially now) that bad players want the game catered to them more. Most can’t stand “sweats” that are simply just better and can utilize EVERY mechanic in the game effortlessly. I am a firm believer that above average and top tier players can test BF6 much better than some 50 year old on his Xbox. That may sound shallow but it really isn’t. We need top talent advocating for what works and what doesn’t. Someone who spawns, crouch walks 50 feet and lays down isn’t the best tester lol

[feral garden]

You clearly have no clue what makes a good tester.

For balanced feedback yoy need both good and bad players. Players with lots of and no experience at all.

[quick merlin]

they'll pay for the game as much as you will. i understand your take, but you must understand that if the majority of the player-base is indeed as you described then dice/ea will have to cater to them.

[verbal crypt]

You clearly are stubborn or too naive to have a convo around it lol. I believe you DO need all sorts of players from all consoles testing obviously. But there is no way in hell you can sit there and say someone who is 50 on an Xbox is as good of a tester as someone like Focus, Enders, etc lol. Top players are the ones that can truly feel if something is off, what works, what isn’t working. Average player can’t tell shit about mouse input, etc. I want people who can utilize every mechanic flawlessly testing things.

[feral garden]

The data you will get from "top tier" players alone is not terribly useful when making a new game, as those players have bias from past games. They tend to not be objective

It's very clear that many here, yourself included would show bias towards what you would test.

[minor linden]

There’s a good chance that there’s good players in the tests. We probably just don’t see any because none of them want to jeopardize their spot in the tests

[verbal crypt]

Everyone will have a bias to some degree yes but better players test things more extensively that’s a fact lol. It’s like a junior engineer fresh out of school vs a 20 year experienced engineer lol. This is going beyond bias. 2042 suffers from so many issues that only good players would be able to spot. There’s still so many people that believe the mouse input works lol. I just really hope we get better people in these tests too

[feral garden]

Yes, experienced played could point to issues with input. That's why they random select players to join the test groups. It guarantees them a good mix of experienced and inexperienced players.

[verbal crypt]

Totally agree, just wish they had a dedicated creator program or something where 20 year top tier vets that are pilots, infantry sweats, etc could test too

[feral garden]

Most of the mouse input, recoil and recoil compensatiom issues 2042 had were reported first by me on the forums, but you won't see me sit here and complain about not getting an invite. All in due time

[mossy marten]

technically there is the EA creator network......

[manic gate]

is bro... gatekeeping an early alpha

[ruby merlin]

?

[verbal crypt]

You should be upset at not getting an invite lol. More companies need to invite passionate and truthful individuals. We need that transparency back in gaming

[rugged seal]

[verbal crypt]

Yeah technically lol

[fleet robin]

how do you suppose they filter those people

[verbal crypt]

Where am I gate keeping lmao

[verbal crypt]

There are dozens of creators that have been very outspoken and transparent all over multiple social media outlets, Reddit, discord, etc… There is no way they have no idea about those folks. Tiggr (David S) seems to be the first dude who has acknowledged people like Enders, focus, etc. They could have been collecting feedback and jotting down these creators names for a while now but it seems like they only cared about mfers like squid g who literally never says anything bad ever lol

I’m just yappin at this point don’t mind me whatever happens happens I ain’t getting invited and only time will tell lmao

[fleet robin]

you want them to listen primarily to creators? lmao isn't that the one thing everyone wants them to avoid

[minor linden]

We have literally no idea if Enders or Focus got accepted. If either of them said they were, they'd be going against the NDA.

[manic gate]

"keep the normies out lol" sounds like gatekeeping to me

[fleet robin]

keep out the majority of the people playing your game, great idea

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-red-stocks-crash-stocks-crashing-downwards-gif-17056650

Battlefield sales if it only appealed to the enthusiasts

[mossy marten]

[verbal crypt]

Brother I’m saying they need to take actual unbiased feedback from these people that have reach. I have a twitter with 40 followers ain’t no one gonna respond to me about mouse input lol. I’m talking from a technical what works and what is broken aspect. A lot of bigger creators (with actual reach) were calling out input, glitches, visual recoil not being tied to screen center, etc. Your average Joe who is bad at the game AND has no reach isn’t gonna be able to help with that lol

[fleet robin]

unbiased feedback by listening one very small group of people, right lol

they need to listen to everyone, their choice is what feedback to take and apply to the game

[verbal crypt]

Literally never once said “keep them out” lmao. All I said was they need to have top tier talent that can test every technical aspect a part of it too. Literally said twice to have folks from all consoles in the test.

[verbal crypt]

You mfers are like brick walls bro lol. I’m saying from a TECHNICAL aspect. Literally input issues, glitches, visual recoil issues, tracking issues, etc are all things that NEED to work bro lol.

[fleet robin]

i mean yeah? kinda obvious that broken shit needs to not be broken lmao they're not stupid, nothing revolutionary being suggested. It's guaranteed they'll have creator events where they can listen to feedback directly

[verbal crypt]

They aren’t stupid yet 2042 still has several issues that are technical lol.

People have been yelling from the rooftops for years about the same 4-5 issues and they still persist

[fleet robin]

2042 certainly wasn't the highlight of their careers

no doubt people complained about a lot in playtesting that they ignored

[pulsar shard]

No argument its just the truth you either like it or not

[glad trench]

one of the best ways to see how your game gets played is through the perspective of someone who’s bad at it. Doesn’t it mean take what they say without interpretation? No but observing how different ends of the bell curve interact is game design 101

[glad trench]

I’m a junior civil engineer, I catch shit and introduce stuff to my PM and PE that they have no clue on

[glad trench]

All shit most QA testers pick up on easily.

[glad trench]

Enthusiasts from either end of the spectrum.

Always hilarious to read BF Boomers stuck in 2014 opinions on why BF V/2042 failed. Never the most glaring reasons: the games didn’t work at launch, bad marketing/PR leading into launch, “era” fatigue i.e. not a modern setting

They always think it failed because it added x mechanic or wasn’t exactly like how it was in BF 3/4

BF 3/4/1 were successes because they pulled in new generations of fans into the game by modernizing it, not because they appealed to BF2 enthusiasts etc

BF6 will be a “success” if it pulls in a new generation of fans (been about a decade since that), not because it appeals to the minority that glaze BF4 harder than they’ll ever glaze a sexual partner

[tepid plinth]

Think I get what you mean

[ebon beacon]

It's not +1 to the death counter, but it's costing you any more potential kills or obj work after the revive, and it's a waste of time since you're sent immediately to the redeploy screen. Meanwhile your assailant gets rewarded with XP and mastery progress, and your killer gets an extra kill. This is the worst deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever!

[digital niche]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[nimble bridge]

It was Baranox who first found about mouse input issue afaik 🤓 He appearently sat down on beta and immediately noticed mouse input was off

[versed token]

I think anyone who tested before the beta noticed it

[tepid plinth]

Even during the beta I was testing it out thoroughly and knew it was off

I literally sat down with a ruler and tested camera rotation for a consistent flick distance, and it was always inconsistent

[hollow quarry]

Y’know I don’t care if they add this or not

But one of the things I liked about 2042, was the ability to select your attachments for your gun while you’re deployed

Y’know what I’m talking about?

[nimble bridge]

Yeah I want that too

Plus system > gunsmithing

[hollow quarry]

I’m also sure this’ll happen, but I’m gonna say it anyway

I hope they give us more weapons in the seasonal updates

And also that they give us more seasons

[feral garden]

Plus system sucks for game balance and meaningful weapon selection/creation. Leave that one on the 2042 scrap heap please devs.

[nimble bridge]

Better than gunsmithing

[feral garden]

It is not

Literally breaks game balance, but sure, allowing players to add some attachments is bad I guess. /s

[nimble bridge]

DICE can't even balance barrels in 2042 Let's allow them to change mags and barrels and fire rate and stocks, pretty sure nothing bad will happen

[feral garden]

Yes, yes, I see nothing wrong with being able to have a weapon that can perform at extreme close, extreme distance, and everything in between at the press of a button.

[fleet robin]

no chance, not in battlefield

makes weapon customisation totally meaningless if you can have everything on the gun at once

[feral garden]

The plus system was clearly designed for a single elimination mode like a BR or Hazard zone.

[nimble bridge]

With gunsmithing you will have the weapon that does all of them at the same time instead of pressing a button to change your playstyle

[fleet robin]

yep, one of the biggest reasons i still think 2042 was going to be a battle royale is the plus system. It almost works like pseudo-inventory, which would fit right into that type of game

[feral garden]

Maybe in a dogshit version akin to what Delta Force has, but not in something like BF3/4 had

[nimble bridge]

BF3/4 doesn't really have gunsmithing, only like 2-3 attachments matters

With gunsmithing we will have 10 attachment slots

[feral garden]

BF4 weapon creation but expanded upon is what I want

[nimble bridge]

Less is more

[fleet robin]

gunsmithing doesn't have to be 50 attachments on one gun

[nimble bridge]

It literally is that

[fleet robin]

that's an extreme that they obviously have to avoid

[feral garden]

4/5 weapon attachment slots, some better and more meaningful advantages and disadvantages to the parts you add.

[hollow quarry]

Im sorry that my opinions suck…

[fleet robin]

happens to the best of us

[feral garden]

Youre just taking the most extreme example of a gunsmith and saying that covers all bases.

Its like saying Battlefield as a franchise sucks because 2042 sucks

[nimble bridge]

It's not, like let's compare R6 Siege attachment system to any post MW19 CoD

[feral garden]

There are different flavors of Battlefield, just like there can be different types of gunsmiths

[fleet robin]

yeah class system as a whole sucks because 2042 did it poorly lmao

[hollow quarry]

Not even close

[nimble bridge]

R6 clearly doesn't have gunsmithing, you have like 3 attachments per gun, one of them is sight

[hollow quarry]

After playing BF3 and 4 I enjoy it

Even though I’m still a new player

[fleet robin]

i'm glad you're enjoying them

lots of new players don't bother

[hollow quarry]

I purposefully bought them because I knew people liked them, so I wanted to try them for myself

I enjoy completing challenges to unlock new guns and gadgets

I hope they bring back the sound design of BF3, it was sooo fucking good

[mossy marten]

Yeup
And from what I've seen
It's not gonna be CoD/DF style

[hollow quarry]

I hope you guys know what I’m talking about

[nimble bridge]

It will be

CoD devs are making this game lol

[mossy marten]

If it has the weighted points per attachment as I think, it will not be the same

[hollow quarry]

Guys

What were the best features in all of the battlefield games?

[trim bronze]

scoreboard

[nimble bridge]

BF3: Maps
BF4: Customization, movement
BF1: Pre nerf movement and TTK
BFV: Movement, lack of 3D spotting
2042: Mackay, Pondhawk

[hollow quarry]

which game had the best weapon gameplay, I feel like it was BF3? Idk, just guessing

[nimble bridge]

Either V or 4 honestly

[mossy marten]

Hardline
But if you include modded clients, Warsaw Revamped

[nimble bridge]

Console and PC Hardline actually has different gameplay ☝️ 🤓

[mossy marten]

PC obviously
Haven't played console since bf3

[nimble bridge]

Not many people knows it but Hardline console has like 100 ms faster TTK, Hardline PCs TTK is on par with BF4 though

[hollow quarry]

For me
BF3: Sound design, Maps, Weapon gameplay
BF4: Vehicle gameplay, Weapon variety, customization, movement, UI
BFV: Movement (specifically rolling)

[mossy marten]

Gunplay: Hardline (without suppression affecting spread) or Warsaw Revamped
Movement: BFV or BF4 (non exploits) with slide
Vehicles: BF4 probably, but attack heli nerfed to prevent skyboxing
Atmosphere: BF1 (the only good thing about BF1)
Skins (it will happen, no point denying): WW3-esque (each piece can be customized with irl military gear), guns tho, probably 2042 without the "out there" ones

[nimble bridge]

WW3 really has cool skins, 2042 skins are good too at least some of them.

[covert nest]

Wow cod devs work on battlefield game that's crazy

[feral garden]

Outside of Bryon Beede, who from COD is working on the next BF?

[mossy marten]

Technically i guess Vince himself
Issa joke btw

[covert nest]

Cod has some really good mechanics but goddamn are people snarky and pathetic over it.

[covert nest]

Oh nah he's a cod dev yeah but your average battlefield player doesn't realise that.

[nimble bridge]

Gunsmithing isn't one of them

[mossy marten]

It's a semi joke since he hasn't worked on CoD since mw2

[feral garden]

Has probably worked for EA now longer than they worked for Activision. And the Acti games they did work on are the ones that made COD popular. So thats not really a bad thing

[covert nest]

True though he's still a former cod dev.

Fuck me

8 years since then for mw2?

[tall urchin]

As long as they don't hire the AA dev from CoD or the guy who designed their EOMM I don't care. If anything some CoD devs understand how to make a responsive feeling game.

[covert nest]

I know he worked on the first cod.

[mossy marten]

8 years? Mw2 released 16years ago

[covert nest]

Classic cod.

Infinity ward worked on the very first cod game.

[covert nest]

Gunsmith is pretty good in cod. Though battlefield is not likely to go down that route to the balancing complexity.

[nimble bridge]

Cody Corona

[feral garden]

So you found 2 out of about 15000 devs?

[mossy marten]

Prob not 15000 though lol

[covert nest]

There are gonna tonnes of devs with tonnes of backgrounds working on all sorts of games.

Ubisoft dev, indie devs, etc

A few years ago I heard game devs are actually quite supportive to each other.

Not everyone but generally.

[covert nest]

Did you know need for speed devs and medal of honour devs work on battlefield?

[feral garden]

Dice alone has 1200 devs and artists according to LinkedIn. then you have 3 other studios, the labs teams, CMs, GM, producers from EA, ETC. So I can see the number being pretty high

[nimble bridge]

Well yes

Point is that nuDICE has more CoD talent than DICE talent 😛

[feral garden]

they also have support studios all over the world that make assets, art and skins for them

[covert nest]

They're devs. They do what they told.

No offence but a group of cod devs doesn't have the power to turn it into cod. Their work experience and perception is incredibly valued though.

[versed token]

It seems like we have some real stalkers that follow every dev that works on Battlefield

[nimble bridge]

I have nothing against them, I don't even know them

[versed token]

Since they so intimately know what all of them have worked on

[feral garden]

There is one such support studio here in Malta called Electric Square. They worked on a lot of cosmetics for 2042.

[nimble bridge]

Point is that this BF will be most CoD-like BF with gunsmithing and similar animations and even small maps

[honest cliff]

Source?

[feral garden]

I mean, we have all seen what it looks like, and this is just not the truth?

[covert nest]

You just going "cod devs" is just a long line of lazy anti cod buzzword sentiment that doesn't involve actual thinking.

[nimble bridge]

Battery and Abbasid are like 2/3 of medium size BFV maps 😛

[nimble bridge]

I'm not anti CoD, I'm anti gunsmithing

[feral garden]

We have seen 2 small-er maps, which are being used to test movement and gunplay. But we also know there will be helis, jets, ETC...so larger maps of course will also appear.

[covert nest]

They're literally trying to break the game as much as they can.

I heard a rumour during the domination tests people were crying it felt like cod because they were trying to get infantry data.

The community is so fucking stupid.

[feral garden]

Imagine asking playtesters to test movement and gunplay and putting them on El Alamein. Makes no sense to do that

[nimble bridge]

Domination already plays like CoD tbh

1/3 of regular conquest size and smaller player numbers

[covert nest]

That's... not the exact point.

What I'm trying to say is that people at any opportunity will just call it cod.

It's lazy and its boring.

[versed token]

We have had domination as a gamemode before

[covert nest]

Be more productive.

[feral garden]

Since BF4 and it was the same there

[covert nest]

Bf3 even?

I feel like dom was even in bad co 2 but I could be confusing it.

[nimble bridge]

Being productive doesn't go well with BF playerbase I can list reasons why I hate gunsmithing and response will be ''games without gunsmithing also had these issues''

[feral garden]

Maybe thats what conquest was called in close quarters DLC?

[versed token]

Bad co 2 maps are rather small too in general

[covert nest]

I think at its time it was a heavily modified conquest cause the capture speed was super quick.

Dom on bf4 feels like a more independent break off.

[feral garden]

You keep saying you dont want gunsmithing, but you neglect to say you dont want a gunsmith that has 30 different weapon attachments. Its a nothing statement, cos its not even what you mean. Then you wonder why you get pushback on said statement

[nimble bridge]

I want gunsmithing with 3 attachments and 1 sight option 🤷 No stupid barrel or stock or grip customization at all

[feral garden]

lol so what, just sight and magazine lmao

[covert nest]

I'm up for 5 attachments.

[nimble bridge]

I'm against magazines too, mags should be fixed

[versed token]

How do you get 3 when you just removed all options

[feral garden]

So you want BF1, cos it made the weapons for you

Instead of 1 weapon with 5 different possibilities, you want 5 different weapons. (Which is the same thing, with less steps)

[covert nest]

I would like to see a proper gunsmith in battlefield but I know its issue in particular is a grind and complexity issue for the playerbase. Not because I doubt the playerbase but because it just makes the game a little more annoying to get into. Especially in the later months.

Nothing more nothing less.

[nimble bridge]

Muzzle: Compensator, silencer etc.
Underbarrel: Grenade launcher, grip, masterkey etc.
Accessory: Picatinny rail, laser etc.

• sights

[feral garden]

but you just said you didnt want barrel or grip options 2 seconds ago. I have a feeling you do not know what you want

[nimble bridge]

There are no 5 different viable options in gunsmithing, at most 2

I want underbarrel, I don't want to change pistol grip or weapon's barrel itself

[covert nest]

Battlefield is an open game. You can experiment and make anything work.

[feral garden]

Remove Plus system from 2042, and you have dozens of different setups. What are you even talking about?

[covert nest]

OK you have to sweat sometimes but so be it.

[mossy marten]

If they go gunsmith route, weighted points for attachments with a maximum possible 10 points to use for attachments
that would be a nice change of pace from standard BF, but also not fully CoD/DF

[covert nest]

Two three points for a really good stock.

I actually kinda like that.

[mossy marten]

5 or 6 points for maxiumum capicity extended mag

[feral garden]

Yeah, and an extended mag would take a lot of said weighted points. Meaning yes you can have a bigger mag, but youre limited with what other attachments/sights you can use. Could be interesting

[covert nest]

That would ironically make lmgs even more useful.

I'm happy with spending 2 on a 45 rounder if it meant that.

[mossy marten]

want 60rnds mag? lmao, no other attachments for youuuuuu

[covert nest]

With its own downsides.

[feral garden]

More like 6/10 for an extended mag. 😛

[covert nest]

Ehhhh bit excessive but I get the sentiment.

[mossy marten]

i say the higher the capacity the more it costs, 35rnds is 2, 45 is 4, 60is 6 points

[covert nest]

Ehhh

There's still a lot for that to work around with but I like the idea because it gives everything some use it least.

[mossy marten]

it jhas to be a high cost to be able to shoot for longer/reload less often

[feral garden]

60 round mags, outside of some edgecase weapon would be a bad idea. But it all depends on the weapon design/balancing.

[covert nest]

Keep in mind I don't think 45 rounders are bad its when you get into the 50s and 60s I start to get annoyed.

Yeah

[honest cliff]

True so long as there's enough downsides to properly balance it out

[covert nest]

2 to 3 points for a 45 rounder (or even 40] i think would be a very fair compromise cause it means you can use it and not lose much, but you can still benefit a tonne from not using it.

In this theoretical Smith.

[feral garden]

I think the most we have seen on an AR so far is 41?

[covert nest]

I haven't really been paying attention to the leaks.

Especially so since they look like dogshit.

[honest cliff]

For 2042? the AK24 has a 50 round drum

[feral garden]

Next game

[honest cliff]

Ah

[covert nest]

Fun fact.

In the Irish promotion the ak24 had a 60+1 drum mag.

(Excessive much)

[honest cliff]

I think its accurate to the real drum mag but thats still too much

[covert nest]

Ironically I don't mind drums as long as the capacity isn't 50. It's why I don't care about the scar having a drum mag because it's still a 40 rounder.

It just means that the drum and high powered combo have an even larger penalty.

[feral garden]

The biggest thing they need to adjust is LMGs. they shouldnt be 100+ round ARs, and perform likewise

Based on how they perform in 2042.

[covert nest]

They should really be stance dependant weapons.

Ironically 2042 I think dealt with it well for engie.

Crawford with the avancys and stubby grip gets stupid range when crouched.

[nimble bridge]

All the guns in CoD has 1 or 2 viable setups

[feral garden]

Why do you keep going to COD, this is not COD chat

[nimble bridge]

CoD has gunsmithing, not BF so we don't have a reference point for BF

[covert nest]

Longer reloads with lmgs when on the move?

Or inversely

[feral garden]

BF has gunsmithing also, what are you talkin about?

[covert nest]

Quicker reload when stationary.

10% quicker.

Cutting a few dozen milliseconds off is quite big.

[feral garden]

If you are making a weapon, it is gunsmithing. How difficult is this to get?

[nimble bridge]

Not the same thing and you know it, you can't even change mags in BF4

All the guns had set mag sizes

[feral garden]

Why are you now jumping to BF4?

[covert nest]

If you reward players instead of punishing the user for shit then you'll encourage a positive loop.

[nimble bridge]

Appearently it has gunsmithing according to you 😛

[feral garden]

FFS, this has to be the most annoying conversation. Youre just picking random games to make a point.

Yes, it does

[covert nest]

You know he's specifically talking about cods gunsmith.

[feral garden]

But I wasnt, I referenced 2042, if you took away the plus system.

And they just Go ""cOD only has 2 weapon types!!!!

[nimble bridge]

Only issue of 2042's ''gunsmithing'' is mag sizes

And mag types

[mossy marten]

I think it's too much effort to worry what the system will be like as there hasn't been ANYTHING shown yet

[covert nest]

I mean him not you.

Honestly.

Mag sizes in 2042 isn't even the problem.

[feral garden]

and barrel, sight, bullet type, underbarrel...what are you smoking dude? 😄

[nimble bridge]

Underbarrels aren't an issue

Muzzle options aren't an issue

[feral garden]

Why are you talking about issues. this was a discussion about gunsmithing and making viable option weapons from it

[covert nest]

The main problem with 2042 is that the expanded player count and pacing incentives a 45 rounder harder than any game before.

[nimble bridge]

Because plus system makes them viable 😛

[covert nest]

They're always viable?

[mossy marten]

make it a weighted points system and it's either bigger mag or other good attachments to choose

[feral garden]

Jesus its like talking to a wall. why do you keep changing the topic and moving the goalposts

[nimble bridge]

No one will use suppressors if you are going to have damage penalty from using them like in any other BF

[covert nest]

It doesn't matter people will be running ext. Mags.

[feral garden]

Except they did in all past BF games?

WTF lol

[covert nest]

Yeah what

[tall urchin]

As long as we don't end up with a CoD system where having a basic red dot means you're not a full meta weapon against players who aren't disadvantaged by running blocky irons I'm down.

[nimble bridge]

BF3 and BF4 gave you huge damage penalties, suppressors were nowhere near as common as compensators

[mossy marten]

[nimble bridge]

Plus system unironically fixes that

[feral garden]

Yeah, I also dont want crazy lefeles of weapon editing. But I do want to be able to build a weapon to how I want to play.

Plsu system does not fix that at all. All it does is remove the need to choose

[nimble bridge]

You can use compensator 90% of the time and when you are flanking you can switch to a suppressor

[feral garden]

Its the same symptomatic issue as all specialists having access to all gadgets. If everyone has, or can have anything, it makes for an extremely boring experience.

[nimble bridge]

I don't know anyone using anything other than stubby grip in BF3 or 4 either, with plus system you can switch to an underbarrel launcher against tanks for example

[feral garden]

And you still dont see how the plus system is bad for balance?

Even after making that statement

[nimble bridge]

It literally makes the game better

[feral garden]

lol, ok bro

[mossy marten]

[nimble bridge]

What's better about gunsmithing? Everyone will copy same meta setup and they won't ever diverge

Plus system at least allows you to change your setup on occasion, you are using more attachments with plus system

[feral garden]

Except they dont, or havent in past games. If 2042 didnt have the plus system, you would ironically see a lot more weapon variety

[nimble bridge]

What variety?

Everyone will run the same tac comp, LWG, standard/close combat extended combo

[feral garden]

Because there are lots of options, lots of different ways to set a gun up. But the plus system makes you min/max the loadout...essentially making you unlock all attachments > set the weapon once > never touch it ever again

[nimble bridge]

Same as gunsmithing 😛

[feral garden]

AKA, dogshit

[nimble bridge]

No one wastes time ''personalizing'' their guns, they copy meta setup from WZmeta dot com or whatever

[feral garden]

Except if im playing on a CQC map, im probably not going to want a heavy barrel, 3.5x sight, and high power rounds. Ill swap to short barrel, close quarters ammo, and a red dot.

[mossy marten]

A lot of this stuff about meta this, no variety that could be fixed with weighted points
attachments don't have the same weight, so going for the best of the best for everything isn't possible since you will be limited by certain amounts of points

[feral garden]

Again, why are you talking about COD again?

[nimble bridge]

You are better off using shortened barrel even in long range tbh

Recoil is easier to control lol

[feral garden]

What recoil?

[nimble bridge]

It's one smooth pull

2042

[feral garden]

2042 has more spread than recoil tho

[nimble bridge]

Only in portal weapons

[mossy marten]

the only time i actually conciously had to pull more on the mouse for recoil was the ro933 black out in hardline

[feral garden]

Yeah, like what mouse sense do you play at, 1?

[nimble bridge]

2042 has low recoil, not non existent recoil

[mossy marten]

me? 1600dpi 3in game

[feral garden]

That is what I just said, and you disagreed

[nimble bridge]

High RPM guns are just easier to control due to how mouse input works

Instead of sporadically tilting your gun you will have 1 smooth pull with higher RPM setups

[covert nest]

Pfft

What thing was a nightmare

[mossy marten]

true, but used well, it shredded

[covert nest]

I mained the scar h.

I had fun swapping out its barrels.

It's amazing how little kills I have with it versus the sfar and fg42.

[mossy marten]

haven't used it all that much tbh

[covert nest]

I should at least get my sfar to 50k before the next game.

Like isn't that a fair thing to do?

[mossy marten]

y'know
whatever happened to the #1335997362258186292 updates
it's been more than a month since an update post was made

[versed token]

Update

There are no updates

[feral garden]

They are still play testing the thing they last announced, so I'd guess that's why

[half halo]

We are starving

[ebon beacon]

Patience

[winter viper]

Purchase Patience DLC pack for $9.99

[mossy marten]

EA doesn't do DLC anymore
It'll be a Patience Battlepass Pack for $6.99 every 3 months

[indigo pebble]

tbf i preferd dlc atleast the content was worth the price live service made battlefield development lacking bfv could of been so much better continued

[nimble bridge]

I want DICE to learn how to make live service instead of returning back to premium tbh

Good live services are better for everyone tbh, premium splits the playerbase + you won't be able to find servers for the DLCs you paid for in few years

Live service guarantees free maps, gadgets, vehices and weapons for everyone

They just need to improve their content output, we need 2-3 maps per season minimum, it would be less than what we were getting with premium but at least it's free so it won't split the playerbase

[mossy marten]

Tests are currently NA and EU only
Other regions in the future most likely
The only way you know if you are in the test is if you get an invite from EA playtesting specifically mentioning BF Labs
Otherwise, you are part of the 99.99% who have expressed interest, but have not received an invite

[vocal axle]

There’s no “should have” really. You registered. It’s up to them to process you and select you.

Like, unless you entered your own information wrong, there’s nothing to do.

Yes, people did receive a confirmation that they registered, but in my case it didn’t come right away.

[timid kelp]

Battlefield labs is a mass hallucination event ⚠️ battlefield labs doesn't exist ⚠️

[jaunty jetty]

Mandala effect

[indigo pebble]

they wont learn look at the last 2 batlefields its going in reverse 1 game bfv amazing movement and decent gunplay fluid matches and maps with game modes little later with live service n bfv starts getting choppy less effort put into game feels a bity dim then suddenly stop development then 2042 basicly a undeveloped plain unengaging bug riddled alpha sold as a full game yea its still funish but as a tripple a studio the game is still basicly in a beta stage development state being sold off as a full finished game

live service is sjut a fancy way of saying early acsess

every one een the content creators all said live service will see the downgrade in development they was right right from the moment they anounced live service

[clear viper]

Live service isn't the problem, the lack of effort put into it is.

[nimble bridge]

That's what I've been saying

BF3, BF4 and even BF1 DLC maps can't be played today due to lack of servers hosting them, but you can still play Al Marj on BFV or Haven on 2042

[potent pine]

cant be played today

tell me you havent played the games recently without telling me

theres always servers with dlc maps

[nimble bridge]

And how many people are playing them? Like 8 people in BF3?

[half halo]

Wth are you talking about?

There are [MIXED] servers daily on BF1 and also weekly rotations that includes DLC maps.

And those servers are full

[versed token]

and that's only because they made the dlcs basically free

crazy that ain't it

[fleet robin]

yeah premium is only the solution if they make it free and give it to everyone

live service gets you content for free that actually lasts

[nimble bridge]

Premium can work if they make the DLCs free at the end of game's life cycle but it also would hurt the sales of next game, imagine if BF3 DLCs were made free when BF4 came out, more people would stick to BF3 than to buy BF4 right away

[true iron]

where can i contact support of BF Labs cause i have some trouble i have send a email already but no answer since 1 week

[gaunt jungle]

People keep saying this as if the entirety of 4 and 1 dlc is not playable right now

The revolution edition and the rotator playlists were especially effective at keeping 1 dlc alive

And the only maps missing on bf4 servers are only missing because they are so unpopular that noone wants to host them

[nimble bridge]

Wow, 4 servers with DLC maps in BF1 🤣

17 servers with base game maps

[gaunt jungle]

I have never, at any point between 2016 and 2025, been unable to find the dlc maps for bf1.
I dont know where you have pulled this number from.

Similarly I have never been unable to find dlc maps for BF4, with the only big bump being trying to find a chain link server because some idiot decided to tie the mpx to it

[tepid plinth]

later in the evening the server counts go crazy

[gaunt jungle]

I believe in BF1 supremacy

[nimble bridge]

Just looked up to it

[tepid plinth]

just booted the game up, currently 61 servers with more than 45 players

that's nuts

[gaunt jungle]

God bless.

shitters in shambles

[tepid plinth]

conquest only mind you

in europe only too

i miss being able to just load up into a near full lobby on a map I like

[gaunt jungle]

The bigger barrier is just the sheer number of maps Id reckon.

This is why we should remove every map that isnt Heligoland Bight

[tepid plinth]

[mossy marten]

heligoland bight? english please?

[tepid plinth]

only actually got the game's dlc about a month ago, that map I found myself not liking all that much

[mossy marten]

oh, that map
yeah no, that shit play bad

[gaunt jungle]

The naval warfare more than makes up for it IMO. Just wish that all the points were more concentrated

Wonder what happened to the seaplanes they were gonna add

[tepid plinth]

crashed

[glad trench]

Why do people think the same devs that struggle with live service also wouldn’t struggle with premium content generation?

Magically another $60 is going to get them to create another 3maps a season and another handful of guns

[glad trench]

Well it’s far and away the highest selling BF ever

Not too surprising

[glad trench]

Premium map packs are just a fancy way of saying an additional 4-8 maps could’ve been in the base game but were held back for dlc

[gaunt jungle]

Because the purchase requires EA and DICE to either spend more manpower or more time in order to fufill the requirement.
Normally Id raise a concern about quality but frankly the live service maps never had any noticable jump. At most they had more varied locations.

[glad trench]

EA/DICE are still upheld by that commitment with the seasons

They’ll just be more ambiguous with what they’re guaranteeing each season

[gaunt jungle]

This is not a commitment. This is the exact opposite of a commitment.

[glad trench]

No the commitment is you’ll get a new season/dlc update. The ambiguity is how much they’re promising within each one

[gaunt jungle]

Do you not see the difference between commiting to "you will get 4 updates" vs "you will get 20 maps"?

[glad trench]

Who said they’d ever commit to making 20 maps again?

When multiple lead devs have come out since the days of premium telling how awful it was for them

[mossy marten]

Lowkey
The amount of stuff MWIII was getting per season is what we need for BF

[gaunt jungle]

I mean if youre gonna assume that a premium subscription wouldnt include at least 16 maps then that misses the point of why someone wants premium back in the first place.

[glad trench]

Ya so the argument isn’t about premium vs live service. It’s about map quantity.

[gaunt jungle]

map quanity is the core question behind premium vs live service.
Do you honestly think people are asking to pay 60 for the same seasons 2042 got?

[glad trench]

2042, the game that needed 1.5-2 years of fixing along with all the base maps being essentially rebuilt?

Except there is no guarantee that in 2025 any developer would spit out 4 maps for each dlc pack

Especially battlefield sized maps

[gaunt jungle]

the guarentee is part of the premium deal.

[glad trench]

You do know they guarantee with the season pass presale too?

And that with premium they wouldn’t guarantee 4 maps

Y’all just live in a land of delusion

[gaunt jungle]

whether or not premium is better aside, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what people are asking for here

[glad trench]

Where the majority of those 4 maps every dlc drop were garbage and forgotten about

[gaunt jungle]

that would be my concern too if the live service maps were not also often fairly bad.

[glad trench]

No no I understand what you want, I also understand the delusion you live under

2042 live service maps and BFV maps > bf4 premium outside of pearl market

BF3 dlc a different story

Map designers for BF3 were cooking the entire way through

[gaunt jungle]

No no I understand what you want
You very clearly do not if you exclude the map guarentee from what is asked for. You cannot say "premium would not guarentee the maps" because fundamentally that is what premium is. If you do not include that, then you have drafted a new hypothetical deal with the same name and in doing so missed the point entirely.

On a side note, there is one good bfv live service map before the pacific.

[glad trench]

Ya, that guarantee is non specific to premium, they could guarantee that with season passes but they don’t, and you want to know why?

Because they can’t

You’re asking for something that doesn’t coexist with modern gaming

[gaunt jungle]

They cannot guarentee it if the maps are free. The guarentee comes not from the verbal promise but from the purchase itself which makes it legally binding. In games where EA had to cancel the dlc, they had to refund people for those purchases.

[glad trench]

Again, they presale the battle passes with a minimum of 1 new map coming with the season. Is that map free regardless yes? Is it still used as a carrot for the season also yes and people pre purchase the battle passes under the assumption they’ll get at least one new map per season.

Now, BFV was different because there were no battle passes or official seasons

But again it comes back to the point that y’all just want DICE to be legally obligated to pushing out 4 mostly garbage maps every 3 months

[nimble bridge]

Disagree with that, without live service maps such as Redacted, Reclaimed or Spearhead 2042 would be unplayable

[gaunt jungle]

Yes.
This is the entire point of what people are asking for. You hit the nail on the head, why is this so hard to grasp.

[glad trench]

I want DICE, who I recognize doesn’t make good maps anymore, to be legally required to push out an additional 3 per season to flood the map pool

-premium glazers

[gaunt jungle]

Im sure my match on Fort DeVaux yesterday was just some fever dream

[mossy marten]

bro admitted he'd rather have 4 garbage maps per pack rather than 2 well playable maps 😭

[gaunt jungle]

2 well playable maps
Id disagree

[glad trench]

Anyone saying the 2042 live service maps aren’t generally good maps should be disregarded

[gaunt jungle]

Id rather have 4 ok maps over 1 ok map.

[gaunt jungle]

harder to judge because 2042 is such a bad game as a whole

[glad trench]

Its really not

[gaunt jungle]

anyone saying that should be disregarded
ew

[glad trench]

You play BF1 still bro, you ever going to take the training wheels off?

Or do you play it for the immersion?

[mossy marten]

it's like 50/50 for whether they're fine vs pretty bad
not too bad:

• Spearhead
• Flashpoint
• redacted
• reclaimed
  Bad:
• Haven
• Exposure
• one more i'm forgetting i think

[glad trench]

You forget reclaimed?

[gaunt jungle]

I play it because its fun.
I dont need to wrap up my pride in consumerism

[mossy marten]

yes, was editing

[glad trench]

I’ve spent like $25 on 2042

Lmao

[mossy marten]

oh shit, stranded i forgot

that can go in "bad" category cuz it's so forgettable

[glad trench]

Also I’ll stand on business that exposure is good (on BT)

[mossy marten]

the first iteration of it, yes
the current iteration, nah

[glad trench]

Ya I was gonna make you guess what iteration I meant hehe

[nimble bridge]

Live service vs premium discussion is futile because they confirmed long before anything else they will make it another live service 🥶

[gaunt jungle]

Even then I wouldnt say any of the top ones really stand out. Hard to say there a massive step up from something like Guilin Peaks or Lumphini Garden. There just alright.

[mossy marten]

yeah, that final sector is fucking awful

[versed token]

Tremendous live service

[nimble bridge]

Let's hope they will give us 2-3 maps per season minimum, Delta Force is proof 2 maps aren't enough

[gaunt jungle]

exciting!

[mossy marten]

they ain't gonna do 3+ maps per season, unless they actually surprise us

[glad trench]

2 maps is enough if the launch maps aren’t fucking awful

[mossy marten]

it's most likely gonna be 2 maps

[versed token]

2 maps is what 2042 was supposed to have

[nimble bridge]

2 maps + 1 portal remake minimum

[glad trench]

Redacted is the best meat grinder map in the series

[mossy marten]

[gaunt jungle]

Id hope its at least 2 if they bring back operations
As opposed to BFV where we waited 8 months for them to complete one operation and then they never added the operation.

[mossy marten]

they should just move portal remakes into the main game as well, instead of making it portal exclusive

[nimble bridge]

They will drip feed it to us again 🤣

Map comes to portal in one season, then in the next season it's available in base game

[gaunt jungle]

Honestly, they should ditch the "remake past bf" thing. Just make portal a gamemode creator and pour all the map making resources into the base game.

[nimble bridge]

I still want map remakes tbh

[mossy marten]

i mean, i would like to see an occassional remake of a map (but if it's silk road style, nah fuck that map)

[nimble bridge]

They shouldn't try to recreate past BF classes, vehicles or gadgets though, waste of effort

[gaunt jungle]

Sure. But even then they could just make a remake for the base multiplayer. Why remake Kubra Dam for a bootleg bf2 when you could remake Kubra Dam with the base mp in mind?

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, that's what I want

They should remake maps, not try to recreate old game on portal

All portal guns are awful when they are ported to 2042 for example

Because they weren't designed with 2042 in mind

[gaunt jungle]

The peak scenario is to turn portal into Halo Forge but thats a pipe dream

[mossy marten]

from stuff mentioned, it will be more powerful that 2042's portal (rumours of map editor, but just a rumour after all)

[gaunt jungle]

One day we will get Forgotten Hope 3

rising from the ashes

[nimble bridge]

Let's hope they will ditch past era guns, vehicles, classes etc. BF6 already has it's own classes, weapons and vehicles. We should play with them on these maps.

Also let's hope maps they are remaking fits the game, BC2 map remakes were amazing in 2042, 1942 and BF3 maps were awful though

[gaunt jungle]

I enjoy silk road tbh. One of the better tank focused maps with the terrain and abundant motorcycles. Much better than Golmud

[mossy marten]

well for bf3 maps they chose one that's only used for TDM, and the other is glazed beyond belief

[versed token]

Silk Road is an insta leave

[nimble bridge]

Noshahr domination is fun too tbh, but yeah it's a TDM map

[gaunt jungle]

The best tank-map is probably Soissons imo. They got the terrain just right to let the infantry have their fun.

[mossy marten]

silk road is like Hourglass' Alpha state

[half halo]

SOISSONS MENTIONNED REEEEEEE

I agree that it's an amazing map

[nimble bridge]

I want Ziba Tower/Donya Fortress Domination 24/7

[glad trench]

Cuz they chose the snooze fest BF3 maps imo

Bring more BC2 maps over for BT, still need Laguna Presa and Valdez

BF3, no idea how BF4 or 2042 never got a siene remake or spiritual successor like BFV operation underground

All the BF3 CQC maps should comeback for a TDM/Domination playlist, still some of the best map design the series has ever seen

[feral garden]

I wonder why EA hired the person who designed the processes of their live service model

[mossy marten]

Was that person from Sledgehammer? Because if not, i would be more worried

Cuz sledgehammer live service wise for mwiii crushed it with maps, guns, challenges, modes, and hella other stuff

And then you look at mwii with IW leading it and it had the worst amount ever for content lol

[indigo pebble]

still was better them live service map in quality though

[glad trench]

No it wasn’t. BF V Tides of War blows everything premium has delivered since BF3, all while being free

BF4 premium was like 3-4 good maps out of 16 and a bunch of weapon bloat

[gaunt jungle]

BF V Tides of War blows everything premium has delivered since BF3
is this satire?

[glad trench]

No it’s not

And sorry meant war in the pacific* specifically

[gaunt jungle]

That makes signifigantly more sense. Though I dont think WitP is specifically great, it was only great compared to base BFV.

[trim bronze]

you mean the War in the Pacific maps? yeah totally agree.. last good maps I have seen for whole series

[glad trench]

Yes, also a lot of y’all are sleeping on some of the 2042 seasonal maps. I’m not saying they’re all time great maps (except redacted as the best meat grinder map to date) but a lot of them are genuinely good

Spearhead is a genuinely good map that plays really well across all the core game modes

[fleet robin]

ngl i can't even comment on those because the map rotation in 2042 is so dogshit that i've only played on 1 or 2 new maps

[nimble bridge]

Pacific maps are worse than base game maps imo

Running simulator full of plane and tank farmers

Base game had banger maps like Devastation and Rotterdam

Al Marj is also good though which was like the last map of the game

[gaunt jungle]

The pacific maps leaned much more into the sandbox elements than the base game maps.
Personally I found that more fun

[nimble bridge]

I'm an infantry player so I like infantry focused maps more tbh

I especially hate Iwo Jima, it's like proto Hourglass

[glad trench]

Not on BT, the better game mode

[nimble bridge]

Maps are still too big on BT imo

I like Wake Island and Solomon Islands but I hate Pacific Storm and Iwo Jima

[glad trench]

Pacific Island and Iwo Jima are also brutal first sectors if your team is bad, after that I feel they flow really well

[surreal cloud]

This is the main thing I notice about BFV, the maps are MASSIVE and everyone is spread out

I think the lack of all-class spotting contributes since you don't know where the enemy is the same way

[nimble bridge]

Lack of spotting is a good thing

[glad trench]

^

[nimble bridge]

They should bring a ''successful revive'' mechanic in the next game, if a revived player lives for 5 seconds then medics should get points

[clear viper]

That's a good idea

Would go good in conjunction in with the dragging mechanic

[nimble bridge]

Would also stop from medics reviving everyone they see even if there is an enemy looking into that corner

Would also get in the way of partial revives, I don't want to be revived with 5 hp bro 😂

[minor linden]

I doubt it’d stop it from happening, but it definitely could be a nice incentive to stop doing it

[digital niche]

the casuuls dont care about points

dey want da revives and killz

[rotund pier]

I got a BF email

With my stats in the last seven days

I haven’t played any BF games in a month

[thin pulsar]

Nah uh

when you max lvl points don’t matter. You just play for fun

[feral garden]

Same for me. Ive not cared about S levels for a long long time. They all just blend together. 999 levels of the same thing over and over. I think the only ones that would be memorable are level 1 and 999

Some type of prestige rank system would be more exciting that 1000 levels of the same thing.

[covert nest]

I'm all for giving people a reason to grind. Though personally getting to level 500 on bf5 felt like a proper journey than this game.

Prestige for every 100 levels I think would be really cool.

Hardline actually had a prestige system too.

[nimble bridge]

Give me camo grind if there is a prestige system 😛

Exclusive character and weapon skins behind prestige system

Make those skins inspired from past BF games, like one prestige giving BF3 RU engineer and AKS74U skin to one of the SMGs or carbines, or 2142 EU assault and AR skin for one of the ARs

[winter viper]

This right here.

[lapis sun]

guys how to get invited

[winter viper]

The levels stopped being fun to grind once Portal was broken and never fixed and allowed the most baseless troglodite to farm XP (and Tier 1 gadgets, weapons, vehicles and specialists) on those stupid servers

[feral garden]

Portal servers didnt affect my enjoyment or engagement with S levels or progression of them at all TBH.

Not sure why it would for anyone else either TBH. I dont care what other players are doing, or how they gain their levels.

[nimble bridge]

I honestly never enjoyed progression in BF once I got a taste of CoD, specifically BO6 progression 🥶

10 universal camos to grind, 2 exclusive camos per weapon(you also can use them on other weapons once you unlock them), and 4 universal ''mastery'' camos that requires more effort than others

Prestige was also giving you character and weapon skins too

And if you finish final prestige you unlock a whole new exclusive operator

[feral garden]

I dont think you even get anything for reaching S999 in 2042, do you?

[nimble bridge]

I don't think so

Levels past 100 doesn't give you anything

[mossy marten]

Nope

Wait
You do actually
You get called no lifer by people

[digital niche]

So you agree with me basically.

Thanks for the positive reinforcement.

[winter viper]

Well for some, it's the enjoyment of everyone being a level playing field and competing to a degree for time played, levels etc. Much with BFV I was always grinding trying to get lvl 500 as quickly as possible, bragging rights if you will. With 2042 that feeling was lost quickly thanks to Portal and custom servers that allowed people to gain enough XP killing bots.

It made it feel, cheap.

[real tangle]

Ich finde das es reicht wenn das nur bis lvl 50 ausreichen ist alles andere kommt einfach nur CoD gleich!!! Und das brauchen wir nicht als Battelfield Spieler-in !!! Aber das muss jeder für sich selbst wissen aber ein lvl 999 brauch ich nicht und ich guck da nicht drauf welches lvl einer hat ! Im krieg zählt Erfahrung und können und nicht das lvl

I think it's enough if that's only enough until lvl 50 is enough everything else just comes close to CoD!!! And we don't need that as a Battelfield player-in!!! But everyone has to know that for themselves, but I don't need a lvl 999 and I don't look at which lvl one has! In war, experience counts and can and not the lvl

[nimble bridge]

I want fast progression too tbh, level 50 should unlock you everything in terms of weapons and gadgets etc. I want camo grind for people with OCD like me 😂

[tepid plinth]

as long as it doesn't take ages to get everything I don't really care

[wanton igloo]

Agree. The latest COD pass was nerfed soo hard and the progression is just stupid slow. They want the battlepass blackcell money

Cautiously very excited for this new Battlefield

[nimble bridge]

Honestly if BPs are permanent there might not be a need for another camo progression tied to challenges

I still want T1 camos and skins though 😛

[wanton igloo]

I liked the old DLC packs way better

BF1 Nailed it

[nimble bridge]

Dead on arrival

2042 is the last good BF game

[wanton igloo]

SBMM makes sense if executed properly. But COD can’t do it

[nimble bridge]

SBMM doesn't make sense since BF was never a competitive game

If you put 64 players with equal skill levels it will destroy randomness of BF

Everyone will play as medic/assault

[wanton igloo]

I’ll never understand why people want level 100 players against a level 10 So dumb

Again. The premise makes sense but it’s never been done right

[nimble bridge]

Because it creates randomness

Some people farms the enemy team, some other players plays for revives, some others plays for tank repairing etc.

No one ever had issues with getting farmed in BF games

[wanton igloo]

Randomly getting smoked by a player or players way ahead of you sounds fun right? 🤣🤣🤣 no

[nimble bridge]

People are asking for server browsers for years in fact, server browsers are antithesis of SBMM

[devout gazelle]

Player Rank/Level has little to do with skill in any Battlefield. Its just a marker for the time which the player has invested into playing the game. You can see low ranks smiting max rank players in pretty much any bf game.

[wanton igloo]

Server browsers I’ll agree with. Totally necessary

[nimble bridge]

So why do you want SBMM 😂

[wanton igloo]

Not arguing. Just making a point about the premise

I just want battlefield back

[covert nest]

Any form of manipulated matchmaking will kill battlefield.

[nimble bridge]

Too late, it will be knockoff CoD

Hire CoD people, get CoD maps, get CoD matchmaking 🤷

[covert nest]

The game isn't even out.

[nimble bridge]

I'm not holding my breath, if there is SBMM in datamined files, it will also be in the base game

[covert nest]

Sbmm in the files when shit is done through their own networks.

[proper shoal]

Please no SBMM ! I don't mind playing the older games but we need a new one thats not fucked by sbmm\eomm

[covert nest]

You really just said that.

[covert nest]

Yea

Manipulated matchmaking on a main wide mode hurts the game.

In a RANKED game mode it's fine.

Or like hey protect the players (therefore only levels 10's and below can join)

[proper shoal]

Yeah or maybe for battleroyale idk

[nimble bridge]

I couldn't care less if it's for BR or gauntlet but datamine indicates it for MP too

[vocal axle]

It kills me that the concept art has the most detailed and accurate us army soldier models and you just know they won’t look that good in-game.

They even have regimental identification on the helmet for a 101st airborne soldier. Ain’t no way that’s going to make final build.

[covert nest]

I do hope the game will look good while running well.

[vocal axle]

Me too

[covert nest]

Much better.

Filterrrrr

[mossy marten]

I get 200fps on cq128
Im expecting 150fps for this game

Maybe less

[covert nest]

Ironically though

It should feel better.

The game can run on consistent 100 idc as long as the frame time consistency is good.

[scenic hatch]

SBMM is the worst thing what can happend, iswear it is like in COD that People create a second account with rly bad stats only that they play against the lower skill Players

[covert nest]

It's like

If the game can run at a good 60 at 4k with a 4070ti and a 9700x then really that's good.

[potent pine]

aaaaand sbmm is confirmed, server browser is not...i knew it T_T

its over

[wanton igloo]

🤦‍♂️ the over reaction in this room is comical

[potent pine]

its the pre alpha

its the alpha

its just a beta guys

always the same story

[potent pine]

i dont see overreaction, just dissapointment which is logically expected

[wanton igloo]

The game is a year away and people jumping ship is hilarious to me

Making. ANY snap judgement based on leaks is the most internet thing ever

[potent pine]

theres such a small chance they will revert big things like this

[scenic hatch]

i will pre order it

[potent pine]

okay dude

[verbal crypt]

If any form of SBMM is in the game DOA guaranteed anyone that wants it is a shitter

Delta force is prime example of how bad it can get. I have a 4 Kd on delta force and had queue times over 5 minutes just to okay with the same 200 people

[covert nest]

Oh now I see what people are talking about

I'm sad to say we will just have to wait and see.

As much of a non answer that is.

[verbal crypt]

It could JUST be a team balancer so we will have to wait and and see but damn if it has SBMM they fucked up

[covert nest]

Stop reading my mind

fuck you

[verbal crypt]

Lmao

[covert nest]

I was ABOUT to say that.

Like

[verbal crypt]

I sensed your brainwaves

[covert nest]

Sensibly thinking DICE knows that the concept of an SBMM EOMM is incomptible with battlefield. It could very well be used for a team balancer or somethign that's meant to keep the games relatively balanced like their skill system from bf4 (Even though that could be heavily manipulated and made the game boring for me)

[verbal crypt]

It can be manipulated and it’s tough to find a good medium for a team balancer. But man if they straight up have SBMM it’s over lol. It cannot work in battlefield for higher skilled players

[nimble bridge]

It can't work for low skilled players too because it fails to protect them

[verbal crypt]

Lmfao this is a fact as well

[nimble bridge]

People will either reverse boost or team up with worse players to stomp on noob lobbies

[last sphinx]

Variety is the spice of life or something

[covert nest]

The inverse can happen too a bad player can do too well and fight the most annoying of the bunch.

[nimble bridge]

That's why I stopped playing BO6

Do too well in one match

Next game is a CDL tournament

[versed token]

Even cdl tourneys are less sweaty

[verbal crypt]

What people fail to realize is that 99% of us are all casuals. Just because I have a 4KD doesn’t mean I’m not a casual. I play for MAYBE 7 hours a week. Just cause I’m better than most doesn’t mean I should get 5 min queue times and go against Enders every game 🤣

[covert nest]

It's kinda ironic

[last sphinx]

Let's be real here the average player will see the hype and their favorite streamer playing at launch and buy this game anyway. They don't care what we think about sbmm

[covert nest]

Some of the comp players I know have very average KD for a high tiered player but their KPM's and shit were way better tha nthe rest of us.

[last sphinx]

I tried explaining this to a guy on Reddit defending sbmm lol

[verbal crypt]

People on Reddit are freaks who are stuck in a nostalgia loop and they can’t comprehend shit lol

[last sphinx]

Most are against sbmm though

It's just a few who want it

[nimble bridge]

Most BF players aren't aware of the horrors of SBMM if they didn't played other modern shooter games

[last sphinx]

This game's gonna be dead in 2 years tops if it has sbmm

[verbal crypt]

2 years is generous lol

[last sphinx]

At least bf4 will still be active lol

[nimble bridge]

I would say 2 months

[verbal crypt]

I was thinking like 4-6 months tbh lol

[last sphinx]

Nah the hype will keep it afloat (assuming the other stuff is good)

[covert nest]

It's going be forgotten in the same time span as 2042 was.

[last sphinx]

6 months sounds like a good estimate too

[last sphinx]

Yeah

[nimble bridge]

I would say 2 months tbh, happens in every modern shooter with SBMM, game comes out, huge hype, forgotten in 2-3 months

[covert nest]

Or at least, Irrelevant as 2042 was.

Moderating this server when 2042 released was... awful.

[last sphinx]

Sbmm is a single issue thing for most older players

[wanton igloo]

I’ll choose optimism over negativity

[last sphinx]

Lol there's being optimistic and there's being naive

[covert nest]

and then theres apathy

[nimble bridge]

It makes me

[verbal crypt]

No joke if this game flops I think my FPS days are done lmao

[nimble bridge]

I would rather play a good flop than a horrible success

[verbal crypt]

Facts lol

At this point I’m waiting for borderlands to come out. That will at least bring me some happiness lol

[wanton igloo]

I’m old enough to know how to not be naive

If it’s great im pumped. If not ill move on without crying online

[feral garden]

All 2 of them, or did you google and find more since yesterday?

[mossy marten]

[nimble bridge]

Hire Apex people, get Apex matchmaking 🤡

[feral garden]

Oh no, they might make a successful shooter thats good at launch!!!

Like Apex hasnt been an absolute smash hit game for EA/Respawn lol

[nimble bridge]

Difference is that Apex is a BR 🤔 Respawn based shooters and SBMM doesn't work well at all

[feral garden]

Apex is not only a BR these days

YOU pointed this out to me not long ago, if you remember you argued the opposite not long ago

[nimble bridge]

Argued about opposite of what?

[feral garden]

That it wasnt just a BR

[nimble bridge]

Oh well, I remember

I dunno what percentage of Apex players plays respawn mode

[feral garden]

So its only a BR when its suits

[nimble bridge]

I don't play Apex myself either

[feral garden]

A BF game could only dream of having 150K peak daily players 6 years after launch (On one platform, steam)

[nimble bridge]

Point is that Fortnite or Apex or Warzone can get away with SBMM, it might even be beneficial(or not considering PUBG still doesn't have true SBMM yet destroys both Apex and Warzone), but in respawn shooters such as CoD MP, Delta Force, Battlefield etc. it will be instantly noticeable

[feral garden]

Im not saying BF should copy anything from Apex, but using it as an example of something bad is a terrible idea

[nimble bridge]

SBMM only works when you aren't aware your matches are manipulated

Once you know the manipulation it ceases to work

That's why BO6 was dead on water in 2 months, people fed up with SBMM and Activision only acknowledged SBMM last year

[feral garden]

I dont like SBMM, but I dont think SBMM is the reason games like COD/WZ appeared to be failing.

[wanton igloo]

Cheaters ruin COD

[nimble bridge]

It's the number 1 reason why CoD MP is dead

Cheaters are irrelevant

[feral garden]

Game design ruins cod more than cheaters

[wanton igloo]

FALSE

[feral garden]

everyone I game with stopped playing WZ because of how it played, not because of cheaters

[wanton igloo]

OK

[nimble bridge]

BO6 has horrible maps and some questionable balance decisions but number one reason why it's dead isn't cheaters or game design, it's because of SBMM

[wanton igloo]

OK

[covert nest]

Games change all the time but COD has turned into something that drives me away. And usually I can deal with it.

[feral garden]

Both the mainline game and WZ is hurt by their constant need to blend the 2

[nimble bridge]

Unify Warzone and COD, then you get Warzone matchmaking in COD 😛

[feral garden]

They should permanently separate the current game and WZ entirely. At least from a gameplay/design perspective.

[wanton igloo]

some maps are great. Some are ass

[verbal crypt]

Yeah I’m on the train that SBMM ruins FPS games for the most part lol. Map design and other things definitely matter as well but people are fed up with SBMM

[nimble bridge]

Worst part is that they know they can disable it, limited time modes in CoD has no SBMM, they know that's what casuals wants, yet they won't do it

[feral garden]

Lots of the maps are ass because of the speed of movement.

[nimble bridge]

Nah, even with the speed maps are too small

6v6 maps are slightly bigger than Shipment in BO6

At least launch maps were

Hacienda was the last map I played and it was huge, which was a mid size BO4 map

[verbal crypt]

A game with 64 players does not need SBMM and it isn’t feasible. My current KD for 2042 is 4.23 do you understand how long I will be waiting to get into a conquest match?

[wanton igloo]

Payback is a great map. So is vault

[feral garden]

I dont know why people say SBMM isnt doable in a 64P game. Delta Force has SBMM, so it absolutely is doable.

Again, not saying I want or like SBMM, but it is doable

[verbal crypt]

I will record a video for you on my 5 minute queue times for delta force

You are nuts if you think it’s feasible and the right route

[feral garden]

There is no need, I and plenty others stopped playing that crap for that very reason

[covert nest]

SBMM on battlefield will absolutely kill lower player regions and make the game stale as you're fightign the same people all the time.

[verbal crypt]

Yeah that’s why their game is dead lol

[covert nest]

Also the fact they aren't focusing on content and just releasing skins.

They also somehow released a more cancerous dozer.

[verbal crypt]

I refuse to play the same 200 people for years that is so boring. I’m also a CASUAL I’m 32 years old and play for an hour a night

[feral garden]

DF at least numbers wise is not dead. It is losing about 10k average players per month tho

[nimble bridge]

Too slow

Needs to lose 30K a month

[verbal crypt]

The only people playing DF are primarily from other continents and they are playing the tarkov mode lol

[feral garden]

If they ever get controller/console support, that will probably make the numbers pick up again. I dont think they have that yet.

[mossy marten]

console and controller is still TBD, mobile releases the 21st

[feral garden]

Most likely lots are playing the extraxction mode. It is actually pretty well made TBH, just isnt for me

[nimble bridge]

I hope DICE is ready to lose 50K a month like CoD did with BO6 😛

[feral garden]

Hopefully not. Ill remain optimistic, instead of hoping it fails like some here

[devout gazelle]

Delta Force is only on Steam? And has no console launch yet?

[nimble bridge]

All SBMM games should fail

Period

[feral garden]

Yes, and has a mobile launch soon

[covert nest]

Why would you hope for a game to die.

It's a bit of an extreme take to have.

[mossy marten]

that's what i'm thinking

[covert nest]

Just go with your day not thinking.

[feral garden]

They hope for COD to die, but clearly they play it a lot. Their logic makes no sense, just ignore such statements

[raven jewel]

I knew this game was gonna have sbmm/eomm and it's already been leaked lmfao

[nimble bridge]

Video game crash will give us good games

[covert nest]

I hate COD in its current form but if people have fun that's fine, I don't care. But I don't want a persons form of entertainment that's utlimately not problematic to die.

[devout gazelle]

Guess 2042 could have a comparable player count with DL, if you take the consoles, EA Ap and steam into account. Just an assumption of course. Since we have no official numbers for those plattforms. Only steam.

[verbal crypt]

I don’t want BF to die but if they have true SBMM it’s chalked lol

[covert nest]

I'll just be playing mechwarrior and the likes until time ends.

[nimble bridge]

What's worse with DF is that there is another launcher for DF in SEA region which has no SBMM 😂 But rest of the world has to cope with SBMM

[feral garden]

According the DF devs, its has no SBMM tho!!!!

[verbal crypt]

Df devs are badddd liars lol

[covert nest]

Apparently there's more to it but i just stopped focusing on the news for this crap.

[verbal crypt]

Thank god for gamepass recently tbh only thing keeping me going lmao

[wanton igloo]

My buddies and I play it daily. Nuketown still fun but the new Casual Warzone mode is FUN. We aren’t sweats by any means and just have a good time.

[feral garden]

It seems better from what I read online, but whether it remains that way, time will tell.

[wanton igloo]

Way better now. We will just enjoy it

Just waiting for delta force on console

[young jetty]

This game is cooked on arrival then

SBMM/EOMM has ruined gaming for the worst

[manic gate]

and thiefs

[wanton igloo]

So when you played the final product , what exactly ruined it for you……

[young jetty]

If the game is buggy and doesn’t have a lot of content at launch, missing features, etc.

[last sphinx]

If it has sbmm, I hope it fails so games are less likely to include sbmm in the future. I've been playing bf4 for 11+ years now. What's a couple of years gonna do?

[verbal crypt]

What ruins it for me is that since I’m ALSO a casual like everyone else, I’m forced to wait in 5x longer queues, and go against the same player base infinitely forever. Just because I am a better CASUAL does not mean I should have a super truncated experience going against the same damn people every night

[wanton igloo]

So that means you have NOT played it….. got it

[young jetty]

I’m saying if the game is shit then I will not buy and play it.

[wanton igloo]

Fair enough

[glad trench]

It’s not confirmed, it’s data mined and half the shit data mined never comes true

[wanton igloo]

Has anyone been picked for labs??

[fleet robin]

if they have they can't tell you

[potent pine]

lol sure

[fleet robin]

mfs having a stroke over things datamined in a pre alpha one year before release

[nimble bridge]

6 months

[wanton igloo]

That’s all I’ve been saying. Everyone needs to just relax until we get to play it. They know if they drop the ball the franchise is dead.

[wanton igloo]

Riiiight. Lol

[verbal crypt]

You both do understand we are saying IF they add SBMM it’s chalked lol. I do not 100% believe it’s already added for sure but IF they do add it GGs

[wanton igloo]

Sure

[glad trench]

You can literally go back and look at all the data mined shit for 2042 and BF V that were never in the game

[fleet robin]

meh it'll sell the same

most people don't even know what sbmm is

[verbal crypt]

It will not lol

[fleet robin]

as long as the setting and gameplay are right

[verbal crypt]

Not saying it won’t sell decent but they fucked up 2042 so bad everyone is riding on this next release being damn good. The series lowkey relies on the success of this one

[wanton igloo]

Yep

[fleet robin]

yes and that success is 99% going to rely on the setting and gameplay

[wanton igloo]

Absolutely

[fleet robin]

not a matchmaking system that most players don't even know exists

some people vastly overestimate how much the players outside this bubble know or care

anyone who isn't on reddit or discord (most players) won't know or care

[wanton igloo]

SBMM if done correctly would make it great for casual players and sweats

[fleet robin]

there's this weird trend of trying to blame a game's failure on a single feature or decision, but it's always a collection of things that made it fail

[wanton igloo]

💯

[fleet robin]

unless sbmm is massively overtuned it won't bother anyone except the people who hate sbmm

[wanton igloo]

And boy are they obsessed with hating it

[nimble bridge]

Impossible

[wanton igloo]

How

[nimble bridge]

SBMM at it's core exists to make matches sweaty

[wanton igloo]

That’s the problem. It SHOULD divide games based on SKILL

[nimble bridge]

It's perfectly fine in 1 life games such as BRs or CS, every fight is tense because you know your opponent is just as good, in respawn based shooters it makes it extremely sweaty and tense, it's just exhausting to play more than 2 matches per day

In 1 life games after you die you either wait for round to end or you just hop on to the next game

[nimble bridge]

Dividing playerbase into skill brackets will destroy BF just like it destroyed CoD and Halo

Every match in every bracket is sweaty because they are playing against their clones

0.25 KD, 0.25 KPM players will still sweat because they are playing against players with equal skill levels

That's like saying bronze lobbies in CS isn't sweaty, it's just as much sweaty as gold or diamond lobbies

[wanton igloo]

Ok

SBMM ruined this entire room 🤣🤣

[manic gate]

the hell is going on the subreddit man

labs is still in it's initial phase and people are at each other's throats for their opinions 'ruining' Battlefield

[astral island]

Waiting for Enders reaction of that

[manic gate]

"EA is paying people to say this"

ok nvm I got the context now, that's why everyone is suddenly talking about sbmm again

[mossy marten]

Yeah

[nimble bridge]

EA/DICE ruined Battlefield

[wanton igloo]

Discord at its finest

[verbal crypt]

The people who “don’t know SBMM exists” are people with KDs of 1.0 or less. I promise you that anyone who is above average or top tier knows and feels SBMM lol. Again delta force has SBMM and my queue times are over 5 minutes (that is extremely unfair) and I only play with the same 100-200 people (also an unfair unfun experience)

[fleet robin]

yes the average player is dogshit we know this

[verbal crypt]

No they are average, which is fine, but I am also a causal, like them who plays for an hour a night. I also work full time. I’m not some giga sweat like these people believe.

[fleet robin]

the average is dogshit compared to the people that are usually complaining

[verbal crypt]

I play with a discord with around 200 members, all of which who are VERY mid at the game and nearly all of them dislike the idea of sbmm lol

How often do you average players see someone of TOP TIER talent in your game? Once every like 8-10 games? No SBMM has always worked in BF.

[wanton igloo]

Always cracks me up when players try to flex how good they are 🤣🤣. Like cool bro, I may be dogshit but guarantee me and the boys are having more fun than you 🤣

[verbal crypt]

Where have I flexed at all? I have a blast every night with the homies. I work 45 hour days and play for an hour MAX at night bro lol. Just cause my KD is high doesn't mean I'm not having fun

[wanton igloo]

Relax bro. I was generalizing. I was not talking about you.

We play every Friday night usually and always run into “what’s your KD” or “1v1” guy. 🤣. We just go baby billy on him and hit em with the “go outside nerd”.

Righteous gemstones is such a funny show

[tepid plinth]

I love it when new games in any franchise comes out

It usually comes from a place of people just wanting a game they can enjoy, but it always devolves to trying to subdue other people’s own views on what that optimal experience is to push their own view

[daring lantern]

i just wanna play bf6 😦

[wanton igloo]

Same Buddy.

[daring lantern]

not fair that leakers with the gamesense of a toddler get access

[wanton igloo]

🤣well said

Has anyone played the king of the hill event

[glad trench]

Not for casual playlists, that’s why separate ranked playlists exist

[tepid plinth]

Half the fun is having mixed skill levels

[glad trench]

Yes, one match on kaleidoscope and the point placement was beyond awful and haven’t touched it again

[digital niche]

pffft bahaha 😂

[glad trench]

This, it’s what creates actual BF moments

SBMM gets added, a lot less people doing crazy BF shit will happen. It’ll just turn into a sweatier version of 24/7 Locker servers

[wanton igloo]

Was kind of expecting that

[glad trench]

Next BF gets announced: BF3/4 cheerleaders thinking DICE will magically design the game to 2014 gaming standards

[wanton igloo]

I never played 3. I’d love a full remaster at some point

I was late to the battlefield party

[young jetty]

If SBMM gets added, this game is DOA.

Simple as that

[tepid plinth]

Battlefield is basically designed around offering different ways to help without necessarily getting kills that in the hands of anyone somewhat competent stuff like Zain’s airburst would just be downright abused in upper brackets

[versed token]

Anyone half competent with the airburst is outright annoying to play against

[nimble bridge]

That would be me

[glad trench]

[glad trench]

always suprised by the lack of Zains. Especially on maps that don't have much verticality you still see a million sundances/mckays

[tepid plinth]

Honestly glad though

[glad trench]

maybe cuz those two have like 70% of the game's skins

[tepid plinth]

still haven't bought or equipped a single skin in this game

[glad trench]

I just use the ones given through the BP

[digital niche]

Imagine being old and yelling at clouds.

[strong shore]

Fuck SBMM i swear i will try to boicott this game if they implement it

[glad trench]

auto team balancers for persistent servers can be considered SBMM

[mossy marten]

yes and no

[fleet robin]

in a sense true

[glad trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jw7q31/never_has_been_slowpaced_or_tactical_and_it_never/

lmao

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

when your typical BF Boomer sees someone playing the game at a high level

and there's absolutely zero reson to play like a headless chicken that somehow got on crack.

gotta make sure we tactically clear every corner fellas or we're headless chickens on crack

[faint night]

i just saw a vid saying that bf6 will have sbmm is it true why not just copy the earlier battlefield that were really good why do aaa studios keep making their games horrible on purpose

[fleet robin]

no, it's datamined, and they don't just copy earlier battlefield because making a good game isn't as simple as copying an old game

[glad trench]

ugh

[manic gate]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jw7q31/never_has_been_slowpaced_or_tactical_and_it_never/

strange

but yeah I've seen it

[glad trench]

lmao it just got deleted

r/battlefield mods in full scramble mode

[faint night]

is sliding confirmed

[glad trench]

yes

[faint night]

lmao

[glad trench]

did you believe for a second that a movement mechanic that has been a staple for 10 years within BF wasn't going to be in BF?

[manic gate]

but but it ruins the immersion and atmosphere!

of my very serious tactical gritty milsim shooter

[glad trench]

"grounded"

[manic gate]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jw8fno/the_kind_of_sliding_i_want_in_the_next_bf/

feels like what those complainers legit think we mean by the simple word of 'sliding'

[glad trench]

if it keeps the BF boomers out of the game, just give it to me

wild how in the year 2025 people have a genuine belief there's a chance that the game won't have a Battlepass, sliding etc. then get mad because they made up a fake scenario in there head where there was a realistic chance it would have neither of those

[boreal harbor]

I hope I can get into the Battlefield Lab playtests.

[fleet robin]

real

[manic gate]

"live service = no buy"

they really hate that word while barely understanding it

[fleet robin]

"i hope it's not live service" brother every online game for the last like 7 years has been live service

[manic gate]

but but.. why can't they just sell us dlc individually just like the "good ol days"?

[fleet robin]

why don't they just copy paste battlefield 3 and get free money

it would be so easy guys

[boreal harbor]

If it has a battle pass (not saying there will be one), it should be like the one in Halo Infinite, in that it doesn't expire