battlefield-labs-discussion

[half halo]

Yes, however, given the game was already released, the core game mechanics would not change much

They had a vision already implemented. The CTE served a lot to fix the netcode issues, some balance issues and test New content coming to the game.

BF Labs is on a whole new level

[mossy marten]

all we can do is wait and see

[half halo]

[mossy marten]

if it launches in a good state and has a good amount of decent content, it worked

if the opposite, then it didn't work

[dense creek]

:tru:

oh weird, i never noticed you can't use other emotes on this server

[dense creek]

anyway,

[mossy marten]

the first 3 or 4 days they forgot to set roles for that

[glad trench]

I wouldn't expect core game mechanics in the playlab drastically changing. Dials can be tuned etc. but this is the underlying core of the game.

we'll wait to see what additional features get added and layered on

but anyone thinking that slide is getting taken out, I have a bridge to sell you

[dense creek]

Personally I'm feeling the slightest bit uncomfortable about the implied setting of the game. Hitting a bit close to home, lol, tbf DICE has probably been working on this for a little bit now so they couldn't have known, but still

[glad trench]

what implied setting of the game?

[dense creek]

i meant the implied story based on "NATO" being all US stuff and "Pax Armata" being everything else, including EU

[nimble bridge]

DICE is known for changing core mechanics long after the game is out

Especially with 2042

[mossy marten]

visual recoil being added cuz "iMmErSiOn"

[nimble bridge]

3D spotting added because bad players cried

[dense creek]

Spotting is a core mechanic but I can meet you half way and say that spotting should have just remained as a blinking blip on the mini map like the good ol' days

instead of the perma doritos of BF3 onward sans BFV

[nimble bridge]

3D spotting was always an issue

BFV fixed that they reverted back sadly

Worst part is that 2042 has one of the best visibilities in BF

Maps works better without 3D spotting

[vocal axle]

So the leaked single player dialogue is about a USMC squad but the vast majority of the American multiplayer content is US Army. Interesting. Maybe multiple perspectives?

[glad trench]

or they the dialogue in the playtest files is old af and they haven't changed it over to being US Army focused

[fleet robin]

this is not exactly the case

[glad trench]

I know, I don't see gunplay/movement changing drastically after they've already stated their philosophy

[nimble bridge]

BF1's slide was nerfed to oblivion after bad players complained about it

[dense creek]

do you mean "their philosophy" as in the game itself or as in "they said exactly what they want to game to be"

[nimble bridge]

Same might happen to BF6 even with generally useless(by the looks of it) slide it has

[glad trench]

as in the blog they posted regarding gunplay/movement

[dense creek]

okay then nvm, I was about to say Battlefield 2 dolphin diving but that is irrelevant in this case

[glad trench]

they stayed firm with BFV/2042 slide to the best of my knowledge

correct me if I'm wrong, I've taken tons of breaks during both game's lifecycles so specific patches/changes I could've missed

[dense creek]

2042 slide is my beloved, I'm not exactly a schoovement kind of player but I love chaining b hops with slides

especially sliding off of something and landing into another slide

[nimble bridge]

They nerfed bhop chaining but not sure about slide itself

2042 slide is weaker than pre nerf BF1 and BFV slides anyways, 2042 is more jump heavy

[vocal axle]

I’d like that to be the case but I’m pretty sure Navy PR is too strong. It’s all SEALs and Marines in media these days. You don’t get many games or movies about regular Army 11Bravos anymore.

[cedar flax]

Can we discuss the leaked concept art

[glad trench]

What about it

[cedar flax]

I have a theory

What if pax armata isn’t a pmc

But rather a pact

Similar to the pan Asian coalition

A group of nations

[half halo]

Lol, even the single player is getting leak right now

At this point just do a surprise release like Apex

[dense creek]

It's been all SEALs and Marines for like 30-40 years at this point

I can't recall the last time there was a serious piece of military media with a US Army protagonist/focus other than Modern Warfare 2 (OG)

everything else has been OORAH GOOD NIGHT CHESTY PULLER

[vocal axle]

It wasn’t like this even in the early 2000s. I think the GWOT era is what did it. I have very fond memories of the early 2000s and it was a lot of Army media. But I’m not arguing with ya, you’re 100% right. Either way. It’s so annoying for those of us who prefer Army.

It’s especially annoying because the concept art/load screens are full of very realistic US Army soldiers with flag patches and OCP uniforms. So you just know the actual game won’t be lol.

[dense creek]

I don't even want them to do the COD Operator thing either, because that leaves the door open for the silly zany skins. Just give me gear customization, let me be truly unique

I know a big arguement is "the game was never milsim milsim is boring"

I'm talking about the aesthetic

BFV was great with it, granted it was all locked behind store bundles, but then again so is everything now days

okay I've went on a completely different tangent now

[vocal axle]

I’ll happily pay for a U.S. Army infantry skin. Just a regular 11Bravo. Hope you’re seeing this DICE artists. Don’t make me be a jarhead again. Please.

[cedar flax]

As long as they stick to one color palette so teams can be identified easily

[vocal axle]

Almost all of NATO uses Multicam or a variant of Multicam in real life. US Army, England, etc. Even the countries that don’t use it yet are switching to it.

[cedar flax]

Which is good

[vocal axle]

Yeah I’d like that. I’m still so sure they’ll disappoint me and go USMC for the Americans though (and USMC uses MARPAT, a different camo)

[cedar flax]

It makes sense because most nati countries use multi cam and the ones that don’t still have a tan camo

Germany has multitarn which is like multi cam but which flecktarn patterning

[cedar flax]

The pax armata should be black and grey or olive

Make them distinguishable

[glad trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jmbs2s/muh_realism/

lmao a vid of lars from 2007 saying that BF isn't a milsim/sim

literally says the game is a run and gun game

[mossy marten]

Hell ye

[tall urchin]

Reddit still going to contest otherwise, the delusion runs that deep.

[mossy marten]

yup

[half halo]

Based

[gaunt jungle]

Thank god. The games pacing has been far better since then

[glad trench]

BF boomers in a tier of their own when it comes to making shit up in their head, then defending it to the death

[gaunt jungle]

People are just asking for something akin to BF4 or 1.
(no, vozou sliding does not count as part of 4)

[glad trench]

1. BF 4 is arguably a faster game than V/2042.

2. Going back to movement from a game 12 years ago is a downgrade.

sliding, crouch sprinting is a natural evolution of run and gun arcade shooters

[gaunt jungle]

4 has faster run speed but the pace itself isnt nearly as fast because you cannot be as aggressive.

Also I dont really buy the "its modern" idea. This is a very shallow way of looking at games.

[tall urchin]

Yeah BF4 movement is faster than anything besides 2042 tac sprint but without the penalty

[glad trench]

Can’t be as aggressive? lol wut

BF4 infantry gameplay is aggro as shit

[gaunt jungle]

Yeah. A slide in V and 42 is a very powerful tool for pushing. So people are generally more aggressive.

[glad trench]

Even without the movement abuse it’s an incredibly fast game

Compared to the excessive bunny hopping, prone diving and air strafing of 4?

[gaunt jungle]

Its not really excessive. Perhaps if its a comp lobby, I cant say Ive seen 4 played at its limit, but in most matches of V Ive played the game changes much more rapidly because people are constantly moving.

[glad trench]

V and 2042 are aggressive because the fps playerbase is more aggressive in general than they were 10 years ago. That’s why BF4 lobbies keep getting more aggro as time goes on

Just like people still playing 1942 today play much more aggro

[gaunt jungle]

I mean, I was playing 4 last week. This isnt an issue of memory, if anything it was actually slower than I remember

[tall urchin]

BF4 has way more aggressive movement even ignoring the glitches that affect your hitbox

[gaunt jungle]

how the hell do you even play 1942 aggressively.

[glad trench]

You’d be surprised at the movement people have been figuring out

[tall urchin]

It just isn't as accessible because it has a lot more of a skill gap mechanically to execute

BFV and 2042 movement mechanics are super easy to execute so it makes sense people utilize it more

[glad trench]

Diving with med kit equipped gives a mini slide

[gaunt jungle]

Well, thats kinda the point right? Sure maybe a 4 match can theoretically be faster, but in practice? A slide meanwhile, well thats just pressing shift.

[tall urchin]

When considering an argument you need to give benefit of the doubt to even the playing field

[glad trench]

Hitting crouch while sprinting is much easier for your average person to learn than even coming upon the concept of air strafing

[tall urchin]

Otherwise you could also say Apex doesn't have aggressive movement simply because the majority of the playerbase doesn't wall bounce, superglide, etc

[glad trench]

I’ve seen enough division gameplay to say it’s not a cover shooter

[gaunt jungle]

I mean, you kinda can. When someone askes about what they want from the game, which matters more. Whats possible in the game, or what actually happens in the game?

Only part of BF6 that raises a red flag for me is the fact that you can chain a slide into a jump. Id have to play to see if there is an aesterisk to that but is a very easy way for a player to get a lot of aggressive mobility and can probably hurt the pacing.

The rest seems fine. Cant really tell how long the slide is atm but Ive heard its more like one?

[gaunt jungle]

how the fuck does this work lmao

[glad trench]

I don’t play 1942 anymore, I occasionally will watch some recent gameplay so I’m not sure of the exact tech. I just know what I see

And it’s a lot of aggro, run and gun with movement tech

[gaunt jungle]

Whenever I booted up 1942 I never saw that. IIRC theres not even sprint, but the bigger limit is how open the maps are.

[glad trench]

How often do you see people utilizing slide canceling or even knowing how to do it properly? Most people will spam slide ineffectively and that’s about it

It has essentially replaced the constant bunny hopping

[gaunt jungle]

Yeah but even that usually has a notable effect on the flow of a match. Plus a lot of this will come down to more minute things in the movement. Acceleration and how movement effects sway/spread are big ones.

The game also seems to be very loaded with urban maps judging by the recent info. I count at least 5.

Id also argue that slower paced gameplay helps alot with the sandbox aspect of the game. When you cant use mechanic skill to get yourself out of a sticky situation, you have to use the gadgets and items available to you. You have to put a bit more thought into it, which Ive found makes for more interesting matches.

[pulsar shard]

You are absolutely right

That’s what BF3 and bf1 did better compared to other battlefields,movement is not so important when you can actually use your gadgets or position instead of running like Spider-Man

[tall urchin]

Movement doesn't negate poor decision making against good players

People act like a slide or slide jump is a get out of jail free card in a game with an average TTK of 300ms

[indigo pebble]

the fact the helis can pop smokes then run recharce smokes and pop up ever 5 secs is stupid nerf helis and dont let them recharge flares for a logn as time or atrition it

[gaunt jungle]

Even if its not a get out of jail free "i cast ethereal shift" button, its always a much more accessible option with no tradeoffs. If 1 had more acceleration, for example, and peaking didnt require some level of commitment, then it would be a much less interesting game. Theres not much of an interesting decision there.

Best example of the inverse is Mackay which is the closest Battlefield has ever gotten to lobotomizing me through my screen. If I wish to get from A to B there is no tradeoff or risk on how to get there, I simply press 3 on my keyboard.

[tall urchin]

BF1 is not at all an interesting game, so there's the inherent problem already

[mossy marten]

looks pretty
terrible overall gameplay though

[tall urchin]

Amazing attention to detail, good art direction, good audio, the rest is very much a departure from everything Battlefield

[gaunt jungle]

Hard disagree. Out of any BF, 1 is the one where there is the most "problem solving" and is definitly the most tighltly designed sandbox

In terms of classes especially, 1 clears the rest of the franchise.

Its definitley a departure though Ill give you that. I almost wish DICE would straight up make a spinoff game which takes it even further.

Actually on the question of spread: did anyone else notice that BF6 seems to put spread on a fixed seed? One of the leaks showed someone spray a gallil against a wall and it made a consistent pattern.
IMO this is the best decision for gunplay in a long time. It would have all the benefits of spread with none of the inconsistency

[nimble bridge]

Do you know how much money makes from Battlefield trailers?

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, BF4 was a very slow, tactical game that wanted you to crouch walk everywhere:
https://youtu.be/lzysYT7ogYQ?feature=shared

[nimble bridge]

https://youtu.be/-MmbZy0edQk?&t=212

BF3 has movement

[pulsar shard]

Nothing crazy compared to the exploits of Bf4,everything shown in the BF3 is pretty normal

[nimble bridge]

Sure, it's more about traversal rather than combat

[pulsar shard]

Yes

[tepid plinth]

Don’t make any assumptions yet. I’ve seen the clip in question but it could just be weighted random again

I’d be surprised if they go for recoil patterns with next to no spread

[rapid walrus]

in what way there no customization ??

[manic gate]

man, nearly everything is getting leaked now, even non-MP stuff.

I won't elaborate, but surely they anticipated this?

[tough zinc]

i think we will have both recoil pattern and spread

[cunning mountain]

Do you think that in the next Battlefield game, we'll be able to host our own servers like in BF3/4?

[safe moat]

They probably did and that’s why they are not removing it

[safe moat]

No idea, but appareantly there is a server browser found so maybe

[cunning mountain]

Oh nice! I hope we can host our own servers with custom rules and cheating bans by admins, and have a pretty high tickrate like 60/120Hz.

[versed token]

I wouldn't expect anything higher than 60

[safe moat]

They said they are optimizing for base 60Hz for the game

So I would expect anything above than 60Hz being avaible

[safe moat]

Also, we dont know if this browser is tied to Portal or to base game

[cunning mountain]

I see, if the MP is like older BF it will be great

[cunning mountain]

I hope !

[cunning mountain]

What makes you say that?

[versed token]

Because the price for hosting 120hz servers is very high

[safe moat]

I was saying “I wouldn’t” but autocorrect denied

And I just realized that when you replied

[cunning mountain]

The thing is, when it comes to choosing whether you want to respawn or not like in BF5/2042, I really hate that it’s even an option – it should just be removed.

[cunning mountain]

Yeah, that’s unlikely

[safe moat]

I mean, with the ability to drag and get dragged by medics, it becomes a much more better feature in my opinion

Because now lets say when you die without cover, the medic can pop a smoke and drag you behind cover yo res you

[cunning mountain]

Oh waw, yeah not an bad idea

But i don't know if in the gameplay it will be great

[safe moat]

It looks great from what I seen

[cunning mountain]

Try to imagine that feature in the actual bf4

[devout gazelle]

How likely is that to happen? Only 12% of the players in the first alpha test revived people. BF medics and and squadmates aren't particularly attentive when it comes to picking up their fallen comrades.

[safe moat]

But to form an actual opinion I need to play it

[fleet robin]

i've seen clips from both the medic and downed player, it's actually really handy

[safe moat]

Yea, that is also one side of it. It will most likely be a rare thing but the thought of it being there is better than not being there at all

[fleet robin]

i mean it's just an addition to regular reviving, so it'll happen as much as revives happen

unless the medic is stupid and stands still

[safe moat]

Yea

The feature being there could also reshape what majority of medics do while reviving

But we can’t say a solid thing until the game goes to more public testing

[feral garden]

It's just an addition to the revive gameplay loop. Instead of smoking and reviving a player in that smoke, you can smoke > drag to safety > revive the player in a fully safe location.

Or if you don't have smoke, the ability to drag to safety, especially as a non support (considering how long those revives can be)

[shy pilot]

I just want the BFV pre-order weapons along with the Incursions exclusive camos along with the Howdah shotgun pistol and C96 international

[shy pilot]

that could also be used to grief dead players by dragging them to a map boundary and leaving them out of bounds

[mossy marten]

the drag is not separate from reviving, they are one and the same

you can drag while reviving, but you can't drag separately

[shy pilot]

still, in bfv you could cancel the revive animation. my concern is that someone could half way revive you and cancel it to drop you out of bounds or something.

griefers and trolls are becoming more common these days

[mossy marten]

if they can do that without getting shot, that would be an accomplishment

[shy pilot]

you underestimate the 'vigor of assholes'

I just want suppression and sniper glint gone, with BC2 multiplayer killed, we don't have an active battlefield like that anymore.

[mossy marten]

i do not underestimate them, i understand them fully

[manic gate]

You can argue that for almost anything in a game

"oh it can be used maliciously"

[shy pilot]

good point

[fleet robin]

feel like this has such a low possibility it shouldn't even be considered

even if a player is dead near the edge of the map, who is going to go out of their way to run into the open to drag them out of bounds

[silk jackal]

that would be funny xD

[clear viper]

I never see trolls in current Battlefield games

The only times I did were on hardcore servers where people would TK

[gaunt jungle]

never said that but im not expecting nuance from soneone unironically calling themselves "movelet hater"

[tepid plinth]

Can’t say I’ve ever experienced even the revive cancel thing people did in V, it’s so rare to see anyone trolling when reviving that I just can’t imagine it being much of an issue

[silk jackal]

more like "Movelet Lamer" xD

[tepid plinth]

What about a so called movement lover

[glad trench]

Nah I’ve seen a few ppl recently give the other team vehicles then leave the lobby, especially in BT

[oak condor]

there are lots of people commenting on the "future" of bf who you know got absolutely stomped back in bc2-bf4

basically anyone who cites bf1 as their favorite game is immediately suspect

it's the most skill compressed game in the franchise by a mile

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

it's the most boring once you get over the cinematic spectacle of the game

[mossy marten]

also this

[oak condor]

i don't think i can be mad at shitters for trying to protect their own interests, but i can be annoyed about them trying to take the gameplay out of the game and using arguments that come from their internal fantasy roleplay version of bf rather than anything concrete

[gaunt jungle]

Ima be real, I dont care how much skill something does or doesnt take. If you treat a mechanical skill cieling as something inheritley good, you get battlebit remastered. What matters far more, always, is cause and effect. How does X mechanic effect the pacing, balance, experience, etc of the game and is that a good thing.

1 is my favorite, because I find it the most fun. I also have been enjoying Valve's deadlock, which has one of the most staggering skill cielings I have ever seen in a shooter game. What makes a game good and replayable is far broader than just one aspect of it.

[feral garden]

Tbh the next game should be somewhere between the spectacle of BF1 and the movement ability of BFV, with the combined arms balance and map variety of BF4.

[pulsar shard]

I’ve played all Bf games and BF3 and 1 are my favorites,people who hate BF1 are crazy

[gaunt jungle]

I really hope they use the same tools BF1 did to display history as a worldbuilding tool for BF6. Imagine the same moving maps, codex, cutscenes, etc, but instead of the battle of Verdun its explaining the Siege of Cairo in 2030

[oak condor]

battlebit died because it had no coherent design direction, free movement doesnt work with two stage healing and mag counting

[feral garden]

Map variety and per map vehicle availability is most important for me over most things. 2042 and V to an extent feel like you're playing the same round over and over, on a different skin. BF1 and BF4 maps felt very varied in how it felt to play them.

[gaunt jungle]

partially, it also skill spiraled extremely quickly, and was too afraid to rein in mechanics that hurt the game's pacing because "skill issue". The mentality here contributed to the game never having a coherent design.

[shy pilot]

troll logic

[gaunt jungle]

I do fear that they may lean too much into urban maps.

theres what, 5?

[feral garden]

I won't speculate on maps based on leaks for now. But I like the 2 we have seen in gameplay.

[fleet robin]

it's going to happen maybe once per year lmao it's not a legitimate reason to even consider removing the mechanic

[feral garden]

Me, but this is a reason to add it, not remove it. 😂

[gaunt jungle]

Kinda hard to gague a map based on these snippets.

[glad trench]

always felt like BFV played much more varied than BF4 ever did.

I honestly can't differentiate any game of Golmud/Siege of Shanghai/Locker match in my head

[feral garden]

I can gauge the combat type, scale and theme.

[gaunt jungle]

true but you cant gague how well those things are executed.

[gaunt jungle]

BFV felt really formulaic with the "5 points with a big central landmark in the middle" setup.

[glad trench]

Where as BF 3 matches on Siene, Bazar, Tehran, CQC maps, Strike at Karkand dlc, all felt way more varied

[feral garden]

It doesn't look boring at least. And for a game like BF that has been historically boring to watch, that's a good thing.

[glad trench]

I should specify BT in BFV since conquest has been a snore fest for a decade

I go in to farm vehicle unlocks then gtfo

Big reason I dislike BF4 so much is how awful Rush was on those maps compared to BC2 and BF3

[safe moat]

I don’t hate BF1 but after some point it felt bland to me, personally I very much like Hardline(I know the irony) but its more personal opinions

[pulsar shard]

I know it’s just preferences

[fleet robin]

hardline my beloved

hotwire and blood money some of the best game modes in any shooter

[safe moat]

Agreed

[honest cliff]

I wish i could have played Hardline when it had an actual player population

[safe moat]

There is like one German server online and it hits max 64 players on peak EU times

[glad trench]

to bad it's nOt baTTlefIEld

cuz it's not 32v32 conquest

in "realistic" military gear

[safe moat]

There is a 32v32 Conquest, but what makes Hardline unique is its own game modes

[honest cliff]

Isnt it always playing one map only?

[safe moat]

No it actually changes

People vote for maps

[glad trench]

I know I'm taking a jab at the larger BF fanbase that did nothing but dump on a fun game

[safe moat]

Yea I know

[honest cliff]

Ah i was going off a vid i saw a while ago abt Hardline

[safe moat]

Blood money, Heist, Hotwire etc

All peak game modes

[glad trench]

also a game that introduced a ton of modern and ahead of its time features into the arcade fps space

map design was good and varied. taking a break from our xth generic middle eastern or jungle location

[honest cliff]

Jungle maps are peak though

[safe moat]

Yea, it was mostly urban areas and jungles/swamps

It had peak map designs

[glad trench]

I like jungle maps too, Solomon Islands one of my all time BF favs. But it was nice to mix it up in some american maps, especially SW america

I'm biased though, I'm from CA and spent a lot of my time growing up in the desert SW

[honest cliff]

If hardline released today everybody would be joking about how its just hood simulator

[safe moat]

And people did that when it released aswell

Most people neglected it as BF4 was also existing and it wasn’t “muh realistic warfare setting war game”

[honest cliff]

Yeah Hardline releasing so close to the end of BF4 DLC was a bit of a fumble

[tall urchin]

It's such a shame they kept RPG in trunk as an unlock, absolutely ruined Hotwire

[ruby merlin]

I enjoyed hotwire

[tall urchin]

Was so much more fun when helis and 40mm launchers were the most effective way to take them down because it actually gave cars a semblance of durability

Once you got RPGs you could easily nuke the car in one shot or even camp it out to deny

[vocal axle]

Hardline’s biggest issue is that it’s about cops and not soldiers. They should have just done Bad Company.

[gaunt jungle]

Hardlines biggest issue was that it looked like a dlc to battlefield 4 and was sandwiched between both BF4 and the return of battlefront.

[glad trench]

it's cops vs robbers theme also was it's biggest strength and allowed more creativity for gamemodes like hotwire/blood money

[honest cliff]

True

The concept existed before BF ever did. I think DICE came up with it in like 2001, but it sucks that Hardline is the only game of its kind that i know of, and it sucks that it didn't catch on.

[fleet robin]

gamers always whine when something new gets made and ensure that it's never made again

[honest cliff]

Some people just want to do anything but have fun

[glad trench]

gamers act like their life is being taken away when their favorite franchise isn't tailored exactly to them

but ask them how they want it tailored and it's the most incoherent stream of thoughts ever

[fleet robin]

100%

most players have no idea what they want

they have a vague general feeling about what it could be lmao

[indigo pebble]

well we dont want operators

[fleet robin]

that's our point

people always don't want something

[ruby merlin]

Majority want classes so

After what happened

Lol

[indigo pebble]

i think it went for the majourity of the player base the old class system worked better but id say add the wingsuit and stuff in as a class specialty like they did in bf1 and bfv

sorry i was typering as you said thatlol

[fleet robin]

no worries

oh you were talking to him

lmao

[indigo pebble]

so such as assult class areial assult and dont skimp on the c4s too many vics sitting in red zone unreachable without one

i know by the current look of the new bf we probly wont need but for big open maps we need a way to reach them unreachable spawn camping vics siting outside the zone

and nerf the helis flairs because its just stupi9d they pop flares fly off hide for 5 secs and come back

[clear viper]

Maybe I'm just lucky lol

[indigo pebble]

iv not had that iv stolen them from people repairng there vics though

[ruby merlin]

Yeah no we don't need that

[indigo pebble]

i just think theres a better way to give specialist abilitys without using oprerators

[ruby merlin]

Yeah but this isn't 2042

We don't need grapple hooks and stuff

[clear viper]

I do really like the new trait system that is (allegedly) being tried

[indigo pebble]

i mean incase they decide to tinker with it in the new bf

not that we wantit but if it goes in give a diffrent more avalible wayto impliment it

[indigo pebble]

i think battlefield 1 and bfv had a trait system too that worked out well

[ruby merlin]

Its basically the one from battlefield 4

As you do stuff for squad you get them during the match

I think how it worked

[safe moat]

Hardline had a grappling hook gadget and it worked fine, it basically set a rope on a wall that anyone can climb on

[ruby merlin]

No that's fine just like a grapple gun that you carry and can shoot yourself is not needed

[versed token]

Is fine he says and then says it's not fine

💀

[safe moat]

No I understood what he meant. A gun that can set a rope for everyone to climb is fine but a gun that just pulls you is not

[honest cliff]

Hardlines grapple gun is completely different from 2042s

[ruby merlin]

Brother I was talking about 2042

Big difference

In grapples

[versed token]

The carry and shoot part is the same

[tall urchin]

Just give a zip launcher, can't travel at an upwards angle to abuse verticality but any slant and you can use it for free momentum. Preserve the good of the grapple and none of the ratting capabilities.

[digital radish]

Do you guys think an i9-9900 would be fine for BF6 full game

[tall urchin]

If well optimized, yes. If like BF2042 it will be 100% and 100C

[mossy marten]

rec specs is 10700k
so launch expect that or slightly lower

[digital radish]

[silk jackal]

I'd recommend AMD 😛

[turbid isle]

Hmm I should be okay I7-11700 and a 3080ti ftw ultra 2560x1440

Not sure how the communication will work tho, anybody know?

[mossy marten]

communication for ?

[turbid isle]

what to look for or do during any testing

[mossy marten]

if you get invited, there's probably a separate server/channel for testers

[turbid isle]

Ya thats what I'm wondering you got it when is a persone informed of the server the day of the test?

[mossy marten]

everything will be sent through email if invited

[ruby merlin]

No its not. You carry the thing then shoot it at something but it's not like you carry it for yourself and for super quick and easy use

[versed token]

It's definitely quick and easy to use in hardline

[ruby merlin]

Not really

Its different

Its not the same

2042 you can shoot it however high you want but in hardline you can't really. It's more for straight across then up

We don't need 2042 grapple

Hardline maybe that's fine

But there's a difference

Hardline you had to aim for a more leveled surface and can't be up it has to be same or down really.

Then you shoot then you go across but you used it so you can't retrieve it unless you. Go back and take it

[versed token]

Zipline and grappling hook are different gadgets in hardline

[quick merlin]

they were funny on hardline and unfunny on 2042.

[nimble bridge]

Who asked for gunsmithing in Battlefield?

[ruby merlin]

Both work the same really

[quick merlin]

one is vertical, the other one horizontal?

[glad trench]

People who shit on BF for adding a slide because it’s too much like COD, but want that MW19 weapon smith copy pasted into BF

[nimble bridge]

It's ''mUH CuSTOmiZaTioN''(copies the same meta loadout as everyone else, more often than not said meta loadout can be bought with real life money on the store)

[silk jackal]

just bring in Tarkov like customization 😛

[gaunt jungle]

the biggest issue is that the gunsmith just creates choice paralysis

Just spitballing here, but what if attachments were class based? Could have a system where everyone can use the same gun, but different classes can lean that gun into different playstyles

[twin fractal]

That sounds like a player issue.
Not a game issue

[sudden sigil]

TBF even without the game having the weapon smith, a lot of players will still use the meta loadout

we are actively seeing that in every shooter now

as long as there's a choice, there's a meta

im confused on why weapon smith would be a bad choice lol

[twin fractal]

Also not everyone will even use the meta

[sudden sigil]

exactly^

[twin fractal]

They'll use the weapon and build that benefits them the most

[gaunt jungle]

who is the game made for if not the players?
Assuming the player is a rational actor is usually a mistake

[twin fractal]

Choice paralysis is a very rare occurrence that gets overblown by game companies that try to justify a small content pool

Your average player is pursuing what best suites their tastes in the game

Not sitting there and going "I don't know!" And if they are, then they're likely a Game tourist

[gaunt jungle]

Its really not, its a very basic design issue that extends well beyond games.

For example, food companies often make more money when they sell less options for this exact reaso.

[nimble bridge]

• Attachment bloat
• Meta slavery
• Monetization

All stem from gunsmithing

[gaunt jungle]

Monetization?

[nimble bridge]

You buy blueprints on CoD with meta attachments

Pay to skip

[gaunt jungle]

ah.
cringe

[nimble bridge]

You can use non meta weapons or attachments on BF because you have like 3 slots that actually matters

I could use non meta weapons like Welgun or Type 100 or EMP all day in BFV, I can't in CoD

SBMM assures you need to use meta or lose the game

Even my attachment setup in BF aren't the ''meta'' setup, I use warhawk on SMGs or LMGs because I find it easier to control recoil and I reset spread when I want accuracy

You can't use non-meta in gunsmithing games

It's literally just illusion of choice

[gaunt jungle]

I also find its really hard to feel the impact of attachments in these games, because the changes are often so minute and there are so many applied at once

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, 1 or 2 attachments won't give you any benefit, only when you stack 10 of them you will notice the benefits

[gaunt jungle]

In 4 meanwhile you have only 2 which really effect stats, with the others being the sights and your dedicated doohickey

So they can have more impact without risking a busted combo

Hell I even like 1 to a degree where the attachments are limited to preset combos, but because of that they can go way, way further with the impact of the attachments.

[sudden sigil]

you most definitely can

I do it all the time

shoot

i even did it during the rm68 bs

[tall urchin]

Well that and playing against 90% of the playerbase running developer sanctioned aimbot so even god tier Kovaaks reactive tracking grinders need every single optimal stat to even hope to prevail.

[sudden sigil]

it's funny that people blame sbmm and I've played games where none of that shit was in it and still went against tryhards

matter of fact, more consistently too

it's not even sbmm anymore, it's just how gaming is nowadays

[tall urchin]

Probably because you never got into the upper buckets. As soon as you become a proficient player a game becomes utterly hopeless to solo queue.

[sudden sigil]

"I've played games where none of that shit was in it"

[mossy marten]

if Battlefield added SBMM, it wouldn't be Battlefield anymore
It loses the charm of having a variety of people who play different roles and the like.
everyone goes towards the more "meta" classes (assault/medic) and then there's no engineers to take out vehicles
(I didn't include recon, because most of them are in the back missing shots)

[sudden sigil]

upper buckets implies that the game im playing has sbmm when i said they dont

[tall urchin]

No I'm saying you haven't experienced the upper bucket of matchmaking systems so you have no earthly idea what tryhard is.

[sudden sigil]

all imma say is rm68, lis, helis, and zain exist

could go on and on about str8 tryhardy op shit in bf

[tall urchin]

I cannot play modern matchmaking games without full stacking because my experience will be miserable until the matchmaking decides to give me a bot lobby for my consolation prize

[mossy marten]

ok and???
people still played a variety of classes in other BFs as well

[sudden sigil]

people also use a variety of guns and whatever else in other game too, what's your point?

[sudden sigil]

i played b06 ranked and made it to plat before the cheaters made it impossible

and before you move the goalpost, the average player base is silver

[tall urchin]

So like I said, haven't experienced upper bucket.

[sudden sigil]

if im playing above the average population, what bucket am I in then?

[tall urchin]

You're in the middle bracket, every ranked system will have a curve where a significant amount are lower tier that's every matchmaking system ever.

Except maybe Apex ranked systems which are inherently time investment instead of actual skill representation.

[sudden sigil]

this convo is over

[vocal axle]

This shouldn’t even matter in a game like battlefield. Who cares about SBMM? How does that even factor into servers with 64 players and asymmetrical maps? It’s an absurd thing to even stress over. It’s not baseball. It’s a video game.

[radiant heath]

Truth

SBMM is for ranked and ranked isn't for battlefield

[glad trench]

SBMM is for small player counts

imagine it trying to find 64 people of similar ELOs with acceptable ping for either side of the bell curve

[tropic marsh]

i played bf 2,3,4 bfbc2
I purchased bf5 and bf1 but couldnt play them

BF 2,3,4 bfbc2 were fantastic, just polish and improve graphics, play, communication etc and it will be great. i would like smaller maps for old guys like me as I switched over to COD and like the small maps for quick games.
the sound in BFBC2 was so good. I think it won some awards. I ahve always loved your sound and music.
The guys at DICE were so cool

[nimble bridge]

You don't need to imagine

Delta Force has SBMM

It's literally unplayable

[glad trench]

Lmao really

Glad I never bothered with that game

[manic gate]

But but.. It's a Battlefield killer!

That totally doesn't steal literal art from EA/DICE

[silk jackal]

its more of a sterile temu copy xD

[safe moat]

I mean, DF stole what made 2042 bad and made it even worse

[half halo]

They even stole the laserbeam gunplay 🤣

[half halo]

New Day, new leaks

[rotund pier]

I’d rather have laserbeams than the bf4 salt sprayers tbh

[feral garden]

You say that til you have 32 laser rifles hitting you from all angles. Yes you are more accurate, but so are the 32 on the other team.

[mossy marten]

Yeah, BF games need spread
Nothing like BF1, cuz that shit sucks
BF4 (warsaw Revamped style) or hardline are the best imo

[rotund pier]

I hit a thousand times more hits on bf1 than bf4

[feral garden]

I still think the reason many have such fond memories of bf3, is because its suppression and spread was greatly controlling how much they were being killed, and how gunfights played out.

People who hate it only hate it cos of how it affected THEIR aim, discarding that it was also keeping them alive a lot of the time.

[versed token]

I hate it for both reasons

[minor linden]

Imo Hardline gunplay (like the rest of the game) is really underrated

It was surprisingly good for the type of gameplay it had

[rotund pier]

I feel older Battlefield games are mostly based on luck

like sure you still need a good aim but you have to pray that your bullets actually land where you are aiming and the game registers them landing

[minor linden]

In my experience, bullets hitting where you’re aiming really depends on the type of gun you’re using and how far you are from the target. I never had issues hitting targets with snipers, dmrs, carbines, or bursting with ARs at medium-long distances.

[glad trench]

You mean you don’t like slow tick rates, easily manipulated hitboxes and random bullet spread as the golden trifecta lmao

[turbid isle]

Hi all , I sure hope the new Battlefield has the servers listed so you can pick a server with your favorite map,along with population and ping. Finger crossed. heres to hoping, that was the biggest dissappointment for me in the last game.

[cedar flax]

Please tell me Operation Locker will be In BF6

[turbid isle]

At this point my assumption is there will be something like it, to many players like that style of game play. Not my cup of tea but thats ok I do try it now and thern.

[lament badge]

I know this would probably be a bit difficult to add, but I feel like it’d be cool to have a narrative multiplayer mode kind of like titanfall 1, where it’s the same maps as regular multiplayer, but with like various map events happening throughout the round. Stuff like global radio transmissions alerting people to side objectives for securing a certain area, or setting off/disarming a hidden explosive somewhere on the map. Maybe dynamic dialog options based on which team controls which objectives at certain points in the round, with different in game events happening in the distance outside the playable map.

For example a map near a coastline would have a naval battle in the distance, and the team winning the actual match would also be in the background winning the naval battle

[twin fractal]

Battlefield realism arguers in shambles
https://youtu.be/E2S0G16IPOI

[fleet robin]

gonna save this for future use

[half halo]

Why is the HC Community so unsufferable

[glad trench]

This fanbase got overran by airsoft LARPers and weebs that couldn’t crack the JROTC in high school but still idolized the military at some point and projected their “cod is for kids, battlefield is for cool military guys” fantasy on this franchise

When it’s always been run and gun with a sandbox full of shit to play with

Like playing toy soldiers growing up

[glad trench]

Sounds like a ton of development resources for something <1% of the playerbase would care about or notice

[minor linden]

I agree that BF isn’t simulation, but it isn’t the modern “run and gun” style either. The run and gun of that era was very different from the run and gun of this era so a dev saying this means nothing

[glad trench]

Well ya, play styles evolve over time

Asking a game to not evolve with the times is asking for a game to die a stagnant death

BF has always reflected the era of gaming it was in

[minor linden]

A game can choose how it evolves though. It can add onto its core gameplay, settings, and speed without following the trends.

BF shouldn’t be a movement shooter just as much as it shouldn’t be a realistic sim game. It has its own niche that it can evolve and make better

[glad trench]

It’s not a movement shooter

Adding slide doesn’t make it one either

That’s the false equivalency y’all keep trying to argue

[mossy marten]

Apex is a movement shooter, titanfall is a movement shooter.
Slides don't automatically make it a movement shooter

[minor linden]

Ofc. Sliding has been a part of the games for a while. As long as it’s not like going down a ramp covered in butter, sliding is fine

[quick merlin]

cooldown after sliding.

is needed, imo.

[glad trench]

And it’s clear BF hasn’t strayed from its niche… large scale combat, combined arms, sandbox gameplay

[mossy marten]

Battlefield has always had a cooldown after sliding. You can't slide right after another one. You need to have some speed first

[quick merlin]

true. but not long enough.

[minor linden]

I really like how Insurgency: Sandstorm does sliding, but it’s a bit more realistic than BF should be

[glad trench]

Pretty much everything else apart from those pillars changes quite a bit from game to game

[mossy marten]

it's more than enough
it's enought to not be spammed like CoD

and it's not like players spam slide in BF anyway

[quick merlin]

CoD pales anything. sliding was abused on 2042, imo.

[mossy marten]

sliding was more balanced than BFVs LMAO

it's a single speed, in a straight line

[minor linden]

Eh, imo jumping around corners was way worse. There isn’t much you can do about that tho

[quick merlin]

our experiences differ.

[mossy marten]

and if get's used to go into a jump chain (which is at most 2 jumps before you're basically a fish out of water) those jumps are in a straight line, with no deviation

2042's slide and jumps are some of the most predictable things that can be used

[minor linden]

Y’know, I feel like a lot of the “movement shooter feeling” that people get is from fast animations and a lack of the punchy feeling that existed in the old games. Everything just feels less impactful than the older games. Whether it be firing your gun or nearly getting hit by an explosion, it all feels a bit less impactful

[quick merlin]

it's been feeling more 'animated', ie cartoonish-like.

gen z.

type of thing.

[mossy marten]

the animations from the leaks are the same level of "animated" as previous BFs, yeah it may be a bit faster, but ti's not like they're doing tricks with reloads like CoD or Delta Force

take one mag out, put another in (and yank charging handle if an empty reload)

[quick merlin]

bfbc2 and bf3 set the standards for how it should feel like, imo.

the coarseness.

[minor linden]

I was more talking about 2042. I love the way the leaks are looking. I don’t understand people who are saying that they look like cod

Even trick reloads are fine as Easter eggs imo cause they’ve always done that

[tepid plinth]

Everyone says everything looks like it nowadays

[mossy marten]

after watching the animations for 2042 reloads, they are quite normal compared to CoD and Delta FOrce

[tepid plinth]

A lot of people like to compare bf to cod, real life or what have you simply to compare it to those things. I prefer to look at the overarching design of it all instead of just whining about a potentially good feature simply because it exists in another franchise

[mossy marten]

except i will say. the m7(sig spear mcx) reload in DF is clean with the operator putting the mag into the vest and then grabbing a different one (for non empty reload)

[hoary sable]

has there been any word regarding if the m7 sig spear will be in the next game?

[tepid plinth]

I hate it when people just compare them because they don’t like cod and anything that remotely looks like it is bad

[ruby merlin]

Mcx spear reload in 2042 is bland

[mossy marten]

100%, the DF one clears it by a lot

[ruby merlin]

Yeah

[mossy marten]

we don't know (don't speak of leaks here cuz might get in trouble lol)

[hoary sable]

oh ok

[mossy marten]

but afaik, it's 50/50 if it comes to the game

[hoary sable]

i wonder if they will have a version of the scope that was developed for the m7

[glad trench]

That’s a 2042 issue not a modern BF issue. V had some of the weightiest animations around

Getting blown on your ass from nearby explosions lmao

[ruby merlin]

Dms

[mossy marten]

but i will say, some fan favorites are coming back

[glad trench]

Will riot if the burst fire rifles suck again

[minor linden]

Fair. Iirc Tanks don’t even rock when they get hit in 2042 lol

V had some really good weight. I’m glad more people are going back and realizing that V’s not as bad as people used to say

[tough zinc]

I swear if they deliver another reskinned 2042 with all that ass ape "cod like" movement and fast animations dice and battlefield are done

[glad trench]

stg a lot of y'all have no idea what you're talking about and just slam a "cod like" in there to justify

[frail tide]

generally speaking people who more or less exclusively play cod and bf dont know what theyre talking about

[tough zinc]

so basically 90% of fps gamers

got it

[glad trench]

yes

gamers are incredibly stupid people

just like the rest of of the population

that parrot what everyone else says

[minor linden]

ATP they should drop the cod talk and just admit they want it to feel slower

[tough zinc]

yep im not afraid to say that

compare bf3/bf4/bf1 with 2042 and you will have your answer

[glad trench]

and I'd argue, when was the last time BF was a slower game relative to its release date

BF3/4 were all accused of being COD clones with ape movement at the time

[tough zinc]

and dont bring the bf4 movement glitches into discussion please

[glad trench]

I don't need to, BF4 is stupid fast w/o the glitches

[mossy marten]

[tough zinc]

well but if you compare it to 2042 it's way slower though

so

[minor linden]

Eh, I’d disagree. In my experience bf4 is only slightly faster than a game like insurgency in terms of pure movement. It has a few more movement mechanics tho so it can feel faster

[glad trench]

again, compare it relative to its time and place when it was released

also 2042 really isn't much quicker, it's just much more fluid because there's less jank like BF4's awful mantling and getting stuck in random debris

[ruby merlin]

You realize the base fun speed is the same speed as 3/4 right?

[tough zinc]

dude you can bunny hop across entire flags

[glad trench]

and the animations are generally sorta weightless so it never gives a more visceral feedback

[tough zinc]

what do you mean it isnt quicker

[glad trench]

BF4 is the biggest offender of bunny hop spam

dafuq you on

[tough zinc]

there are a lot of movements that make the game feel insanely fast

[ruby merlin]

Also 4 with the sprint speed perk is pretty much as fast as tac sprint in 2042

[glad trench]

did you play BF4 on console or PC back in the day

[ruby merlin]

Sliding in 2042 isn't far

So what else??

Oh is jumping mean it's cod?

💀

I mean yeah you can bunny hop more and stuff

But FOV plays a part

Higher fov the faster the game looks even when it's not faster

[minor linden]

Side tangent, but imo Tac sprint shouldn’t exist in any modern fps

Its just an unnecessary addition that is never implemented properly

[tough zinc]

I just hope they nail the game in every aspect that's all

[glad trench]

you can thank the game being developed around hazard zone for that

[minor linden]

There isn’t a need for a second sprint. Just make the base sprint faster

[minor linden]

Fr. Try moving it the opposite direction. It makes it feel like you’re a juggernaut lol

[ruby merlin]

There isn't really any battlefield game that nailed it I'm every aspect

[tough zinc]

I know that

[ruby merlin]

No game is perfect

Its just subjective a lot of times

[tough zinc]

BF3 is perfect in my eyes, loved it so much

however I understand someone could disagree

I just hope it will be a good and fun game

[ruby merlin]

From what I've seen from leaks it looks peak so far

[tough zinc]

yep it looks good

[ruby merlin]

Not sure if you've seen any

[tough zinc]

requires some work

[ruby merlin]

Pre alpha

[tough zinc]

especially from what ive seen with that awful sniper gameplay

[ruby merlin]

Meaning sometime in development before alpha

[tough zinc]

i know i know

[ruby merlin]

Pre not even meaning like right next or even close to alpha so

[minor linden]

I’m glad they’re adding new features instead of just doing bf3-4 redone. Stuff like the tank hanging are really unexpected but cool

[tough zinc]

I agree

[ruby merlin]

Also dragging allies to revive

[tough zinc]

dragging teammates too, its so good

yep

peak

[glad trench]

was cut cuz they couldn't get it to work

watch some movement/hitbox abuse come from that

[manic gate]

Yeah it's in one of the trailers I believe

[fleet robin]

you mean the 3 games that have almost the exact same movement speed as 2042? interesting comparison

[nimble bridge]

NOOO!!! Battlefield should be a milisim!!! Ignore the fact they had trailers with rendezook and C4 jeep launching!!!!

[nimble bridge]

Slides needs 30 seconds cooldown as if it's an Overwatch ulti 🤣

[nimble bridge]

Literally no one slides in 2042 except bots, bots slides around more than players

[nimble bridge]

MW19 and it's consequences has been a disaster for FPS but we aren't ready to discuss this yet

[tough zinc]

its not really about the movement speed its about what movements are allowed

that makes 2042 "arcadey"

[twin fractal]

Tac sprint really only works in shooters when there's limited stamina.
Trading off distance for speed is a fun mechanic

[glad trench]

an arcade run and gun shooter feeling "arcadey"

[tough zinc]

too much for bf standards i mean

[glad trench]

again, says who and where are you getting these standards

[mossy marten]

there is no Battlefield "standard"
Every BF has been different in it own ways with movement
BF4 airstrafes
BF3 ADSing while vaulting
BFVs slide and other stuff
BF1s pre-nerf slide
2042's slide and jump chaining

[nimble bridge]

Next BF should have omnimovement

[glad trench]

BF2 dolphin diving, BC2 having no prone

BF1942 not having sprint

[glad trench]

totally forgot about the BF3 ads while vaulting

[nimble bridge]

You can do that in 4 or 2042 too

[mossy marten]

so did i until Enders mentioned it in a video
I don't play BF3 much anymore (or BF1)

[nimble bridge]

Vault height needs to be smaller than 3 though

[mossy marten]

it started with 3 though

[quick merlin]

then that's not "literally".

[nimble bridge]

BF3 also had jump boosting and gazelle jumping

If you drop from a high place and jump the moment you hit the ground you will gain a huge momentum

Gazelle jumping is jumping in between sprinting, you can't spam it though, you need to regain momentum a little bit between each jumps, but it allowed you to traverse the map faster

[manic gate]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jnhedi/_/

https://tenor.com/view/who-let-bro-cook-who-who-let-bro-cook-dont-let-him-cook-again-gif-13506486571730006439

[glad trench]

thought that too when I saw that thread this morning

[minor linden]

Isn’t that basically the bf4 hud with the new colors?

[glad trench]

and a font ripped out of crysis 2/3 then blown up 3 fold

[tall urchin]

Every BF game has been great at UI customization anyways what is blud waffling about

[nimble bridge]

90% of the players never touch HUD customization 😛

[tall urchin]

Fair

[mossy marten]

[vocal axle]

Unmoderated social media is trash because people are dumb. Moderated spaces filter out the idiots. Hopefully DICE doesn’t listen to the idiots. Unfortunately many of the idiots run very popular YT and TTV channels and have more sway than they should considering most of them probably can’t even parallel park much less design a fun video game.

Anyway that’s why people complain about stuff that’s already fixed.

Or was never even broken.

[tall urchin]

Not to mention complaining about UI which is seldom ever finalized in such an early state is just baffling.

At least according to their latest statement they're considering data and their own design alongside feedback so hopefully they know enough to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[oak condor]

there are no youtubers or twitch streamers left for this dead ass franchise, what are you on about

[vocal axle]

I mean yes there are, but the point is that these people talk about every game.

[glad trench]

always wild how people who clearly don't know UI design will lob up some version of the UI that is ripped from their favorite game but make it worse

like I don't know UI design, I don't touch that topic unless it's "I like it" or "I don't like it"

[oak condor]

what is being pushed by "idiots with very popular YT and TTV channels" that you disagree with?

[mossy marten]

Personally,
Some changes to the BF6 HUD (idk why people say UI if it isn't interact-able, but beside the point) and it would be nicer
I think the current one is...... A bit too busy to say the least
Along with HUD customization options of course

[mossy marten]

If imma guess:

• movement
• gunplay
• skill gaps of any kind

As for stuff like HUD and UI, I haven't seen mentioned by many CCs

[oak condor]

@vocal axle i'm really curious now

[nimble bridge]

Movement most likely

[oak condor]

shh let him speak

[mossy marten]

[minor linden]

Yeah. Imo if they made the points thing take up less space and the bottom right more in-line with the 3-1 design, it’d be perfect

Maybe make the mini map a little smaller too, but it’s not a big problem

[mossy marten]

Hopefully they do something similar to bo6 with HuD options

Yes, yes
CoD mentioned in a BF discord, scaryyyy, but those hud options are pretty neat

Or give similar options with customization on top of that

[minor linden]

Would be cool, yeah

That’s one of the better things Cod did with bo6

[worldly turret]

only problem about bo6 rn is it has about the same level of anticheat as tarkov 😂

[hoary sable]

Have/do video games use different recoil strength for controller vs keyboard and mouse?

[tall urchin]

BF2042 has 25% reduction of vertical and horizontal recoil, and first shot recoil multipliers for being on controller

[hoary sable]

Thanks I wonder what that will look like for the next game

[tall urchin]

Given the nature of modern AAA FPS I want to say closer to CoD tier soft aimbot on top of it

[hoary sable]

Aimassist on 2042 seems pretty strong as well especially with the sniper gameplay. It’s sticky as hell

[tall urchin]

2042 doesn't have a single really strong aspect of aim assist but everything altogether creates something fairly strong

[oak condor]

i think people are mislead by modern cod, 2042 AA is incredibly strong but it's not quite on the level of the omega cheating RAA in recent cods so people think it isn't bad

there was a time when halo players were bitching up a storm about slowdown (and only slowdown!) being implemented into multiplayer, its fucked to see how far the conversation has shifted

i read earlier that 60% of the cheat reports on cod are for console players getting kills with rotational lmao

[tall urchin]

Honestly I'm sure most cheat devs just use the preexisting AA in CoD as the basis for their cheats if they want subtlety.

[nimble bridge]

I can agree with that

I shoot at a guy for 2 miliseconds and he turns back to beam me from 50 meters

[oak condor]

my eye twitches a little every time i see a clip of a sniper getting his hand held by snap assist

[vocal axle]

I think the problem with weapon meta in casual shooters like cod and battlefield is that since so much of it comes down to latency and TTK, the best gun is always whichever one gets bullets to the target in the shortest amount of time. That’s why everyone runs short barrel in 2042.

I also don’t think battlefield has ever done a great job with weapon handling. At least on console, it feels like you’re always at a major recoil disadvantage.

I actually wouldn’t mind if Battlefield gunplay felt more similar to CoD Ground War mode.

I’m not anti-recoil or challenge, I just think if you’re going to make a game that focuses on those things it should be like Reforger or Insurgency where you can actually be lethal with semi auto and careful aim.

[nimble bridge]

Consoles already has less recoil

33% less

Semi autos are already lethal in 2042, it's just no one uses them

[vocal axle]

No I mean semi auto fire on regular rifles

[nimble bridge]

Modern roller players won't use semi autos no matter how OP they are

Oh

[vocal axle]

I had no idea console had less recoil than PC though

It’s definitely necessary at any rate

[cyan grove]

Agreed. Though it also boils down to how the guns were animated and the natural rendering frame rate.

[vocal axle]

I’m so spoiled by gyro aim in ArmA Reforger on PS5.

I think I might actually like gyro aim more than mouse aim.

For realistic type shooters anyway. For twitch shooters mouse will probably always be best.

Only problem with gyro aiming is you adjust your arms for a second and your guy looks at the sky.

[covert nest]

As someone who has dealt with battlefields aim assist it really isn't bad outside of zoom snap.

Though I would argue you could do things to make that less of a crime.

[versed token]

Zoom snap is kinda absurd it's literally what cod does in the console campaigns

[covert nest]

Yeah.

[feral garden]

They should flat out make it a rule that leaks from data mined stuff is not allowed to be discussed here. Been spoiled on so much stuff already and it sucks.

[covert nest]

I'm surprised they left as much as they did in there

[nimble bridge]

Battlefield channel has been sent to FNB tab

Next BF's name will be Battlefield™(2025/6)

Cringe honestly, just call it Battlefield 6 🥶

[feral garden]

It likes to wander around from section to section haha

[mossy marten]

Honestly
Who cares what the next game is called?
I just want it to be good

[nimble bridge]

I care

It just creates confusion

[feral garden]

In what ways?

[nimble bridge]

''Have you played Battlefield?''
''Yeah, which one?''
''I mean Battlefield''

[feral garden]

Who talks like this lol

[half halo]

1000% agree with you!

[clear viper]

Ideally people would say Battlefield 2025 similar to how they say MW2019

[feral garden]

Most people would say "Have you played the new Battlefield", and there be no confusion. Then even if its older, and it were to be called just "Battlefield" people would only confuse it with BF1, but even then confusion would be minimal.

The only reason I see them not calling it "Battlefield" is searchability/SEO related issues

Maybe they will move to a similar descriptor based naming scheme like COD has done.

EG: Battlefield: Modern Combat (I know thats already a game, its just an example)

[nimble bridge]

Battlefield: Warzone

[half halo]

I think it works better for spin-offs

Battlefield Eternal Warfare of Master Sergeants

[feral garden]

COD had to move to this because there were too many old games. And it gets a bit ridiculous once you get past 5/6

[nimble bridge]

They should keep the numbers like Final Fantasy imo, I want my grandchildren to play Final Fantasy 27 and Battlefield 38

[feral garden]

Its less of an issue when you have COD: Black Ops 6, as you know its the 6th black ops game, in the call of duty franchise...and not COD 23, the 23rd game in the COD franchise (Which is where BF currently is naming wise)

[minor linden]

Cod 25: war of the gods

[half halo]

CoD x God of War game confirmed

[mossy marten]

They should call it
Battlefield: Redux

[feral garden]

They already used Redux for events in 2042. Bad idea to tie these games together in anyway

[mossy marten]

And that's why it's a joke

[half halo]

All the kids out there will say they miss-spelled "robux"

[mossy marten]

[minor linden]

Nah, they should name it after the code name

Battlefield: Glacier

With 0 arctic maps

[feral garden]

Damn, that codename seems like it has frostbite

[minor linden]

[covert nest]

They could have called EA AC - Anti Freeze or something.

[nimble bridge]

[covert nest]

I dunno. Sounds cool.

Pun unintended.

[tepid plinth]

who is doing this lol

it's funny

some rogue mod

[versed token]

I feel like it isn't intentional

[mossy marten]

Me waiting to see if emails are being pushed this week

[nimble bridge]

They will be pushed, not to us though

[mossy marten]

yeah probably

[tall urchin]

Battlefield: Baby come back
Battlefield: I implore you to reconsider
Battlefield: ...and this time I mean it

[gleaming dagger]

when is asia play the BF labs pls dice 😭

[vocal axle]

I’ve gotten enough enjoyment out of 2042 lately but it took them long enough. And the maps are still bad, can’t fix that.

I do think people tend to forget how unpopular some games are at launch though. BFV is a good example.

And BF4 was just completely broken at launch.

But those games ultimately had way better foundations than 2042 and that’s the big difference.

[tall urchin]

BF has often been known more for rough launches than the opposite. Like you said though, BF4 was more of a technical slew of issues as opposed to a design or conceptual problem.

[nimble bridge]

I hope next BF has working mouse input

[mossy marten]

I stg if mouse input it busted

[half halo]

[polar sun]

I've been checking my inbox like every two hours lmfao

[glad trench]

People forget that BF4 had a class action lawsuit it was so broken

DICE being forced to develop it for the 360/3…

2042 being technically broken along with conceptually broken… forced to develop it for the xbone and ps4

Hmmmmmmm

[vocal axle]

Yeah. And people HATED the simplification of BF3, calling it a console game. I guess they got used to it lol.

[tough zinc]

Bro put the old gen consoles to rest already

Its been 12 years

[glad trench]

Most “gamers” are absolute sheep and just follow what the loudest voices are saying

Case in point, AC:Shadows

[tough zinc]

Its decent tho

[tepid plinth]

Honestly true

[tepid plinth]

Exactly

[glad trench]

Red pill, gamer gate man babies raging about it, pretty much everyone else “this game is pretty good”

[tough zinc]

Not a masterpiece but a good game overall

[tepid plinth]

The hate it got was for unnecessary things fabricated to generate hate

[glad trench]

Even Japanese critics are saying “this shit is cool”

[tough zinc]

(Storytelling is dodoo tho)

[glad trench]

No one is calling it a masterpiece, just a fun game

[tepid plinth]

Sure they made a couple genuine blunders, but most of it is just exaggerated to catch the people who don’t think critically about anything

[tough zinc]

And music choice is objectively bad

[glad trench]

I haven’t touched it yet. Thought Valhalla was boring after the first 15 hours

Fucking loved Odyssey and Origins

[tepid plinth]

Need to listen to it in game but it’s sounded good in isolation on Spotify

Going to get it when I finish uni, but excited to do so

[glad trench]

Will grab it on massive sale like I do every Ubi game lmao

[tepid plinth]

Nothing holds a candle to mirage’s soundtrack in my books

[glad trench]

I need to get around to mirage

[tepid plinth]

Best game they’ve made since black flag

[nimble bridge]

Shadows looks like the worst version of AC RPGs to me tbh, Odyssey was already bad enough with limiting player character abilities

[tepid plinth]

Well, the only one I’ve actually had fun playing that I feel aligns with what I consider the main ethos of ac

[glad trench]

Been too busy being a snow bum this winter

[nimble bridge]

AC protagonists needs to be jack of all trades characters both excelling in combat and stealth, it was always like this in every AC. Except maybe Unity which was more stealth focused. Ubisoft Quebec doesn't understand this. Splitting one character into 2 and having to do chores for both in order to finish the game sounds annoying as hell.

[tepid plinth]

funny cause I think the exact opposite

[nimble bridge]

Odyssey also suffered from this, if you spec into stealth you can't fight, 90% of the game doesn't support stealth

[tepid plinth]

for the first time since ac1 there's genuine pushback that makes stealth an actual core focus. Even if it's through tedium, naoe being weak in combat actually pushes a core pillar for once

[glad trench]

From everything I heard you can just main one character for like 95% of the game

[tepid plinth]

and it's not like she's weak at it at all anyhow

[nimble bridge]

Only viable build was low hp crit build in Odyssey, you could do all the playstyles at the risk of getting 2 shotted.

[glad trench]

You playing on max difficulty or something?

[nimble bridge]

Gear that gives you crit bonuses aren't giving you enough defense

That's the point of the build

If I remember correctly

Or hp needed to be below 50%

[tepid plinth]

sounds like it would make sense

never played nor intend to play odyssey however so idk the specifics

[nimble bridge]

You could use archery, sword and hidden blade at the same character with that build

Just like all the other AC games

[glad trench]

Missing out, odyssey was fun. Just enough to break up the “Ubisoft design” monotony

IMO

[tepid plinth]

I still don't see myself playing it. it's stealth is dull, parkour non existent

[glad trench]

Fair, running/sailing around the world was peak in the series for me

[tepid plinth]

i'm not the type to go bashing people who like what I don't though so don't worry 'bout that

[glad trench]

But I go into the AC games with the mindset of “guided tour through some historical fiction”

More so what flavor of combat/stealth it has

[tepid plinth]

yeah I take a completely different approach haha

[glad trench]

With Valhalla I didn’t realize when I finished the game. Droned out the dialogue in the campaign because it was so boring and ran around for ~5 hours trying to find the next quest lmao

Thinking it was bugged

[nimble bridge]

I enjoyed Valhalla most tbh because level gating wasn't strict

You could one shot assassinate everyone in it too

[half halo]

I'm in the same boat, although I played hundreds of hours to Valhalla. Not for fun, as it was in fact the most excruciating experience I ever lived through. I only continued suffering to get 100% achievements.

Fun fact, this is the game that made me stop doing 100% ever after.

[nimble bridge]

I even upscaled enemy levels towards the end because it was too easy, they were like 200 levels above me, fights became enjoyable though

[tepid plinth]

did you say you hadn't played mirage

i know I got valhalla for free and still don't wanna touch it lol

[nimble bridge]

I tried Mirage but I think I'm burned out of Ubisoft games

If you played Valhalla you know how Mirage's story ends too

[glad trench]

Haven’t touched mirage but in the same boat with ubi games

[nimble bridge]

So I haven't finished it

[glad trench]

Holding out and praying that Division 3 is good

DICE taking us to Brooklyn before Division does

[nimble bridge]

I'm praying Ubisoft sold Splinter Cell to MS or EA, so we can get a new Splinter Cell 🤣

[tepid plinth]

well at least we know the Shadows stealth system is essentially a modern tech demo for it to see if it would work with modern audiences

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, Shadows has many SC features for some reason such as light/dark meter

[quick merlin]

how can aesthetics be "objectively" judged?

[tough zinc]

bro pulls aristotle's thinking on every sentence he reads, I meant that the music choice is bad and does not fit with the historical period

[quick merlin]

i do love aristotle, sorry.

[tough zinc]

i prefer diogenes

[quick merlin]

he was funny. but out of his mind.

[tough zinc]

aristotle is legit tho

[quick merlin]

oh yes.

i agree anyways; i love the ac franchise (odyssey my fave) but at times the soundtrack on shadows is, well, a bit 'off'.

[stray veldt]

does it have some cool japanese music?

like time period feel

[glad trench]

I heard it’s a much more passive, ambient soundtrack

Not exactly, pump you up for gameplay soundtrack

[radiant heath]

there's one moment in shadows that feels like sudden spaghetti western rock lol. every once in awhile there's a musical moment that just rips you out of the game

but its still super fun

[glad trench]

tumbleweed rolls across the temple grounds

[radiant heath]

spot on, except with the overdramatic anime energy at the same time lol

[glad trench]

What is this a crossover episode?

[tough zinc]

exactly

[half halo]

Wow, just read that BO6 (the game sucks) next Season Will give an easily accessible option for console to remove matchmaking with PC.

I hope BF is taking notes...

[tall urchin]

Why would CoD players be worried about PC when they have dev sanctioned aimbot anyway

[vocal axle]

You need aim assist for consoles, it makes the game much more fun.

Which is more important than esports (ew)

[half halo]

So you should be happy they won't Play with PC anymore

While it's easy to shit on consoles because of AA (and I agree it's busted in COD), there a lot of things that are at PC advantage in FPS.

Also, from my experience (and I Play both), playing console vs console is way more laid back and enjoyable than the usual sweatfest.

[glad trench]

Nah, cross play for healthier servers should be the default with an option to turn it off

The average pc player is just as big of a bot as a console player

It’s just the GOOD pc players stand the fuck out

[half halo]

Console players are going to take hacker free servers anytime over a healthy population

[glad trench]

That’s a cod anti cheat/dev problem

Not a cross play problem

[half halo]

Well, it's not 2005 anymore. There are a lot more good players than one would think.

[half halo]

If BF was mainstream as much as CoD is, BF would have the same issue

[glad trench]

There’s a ton of good console players too

And BF is such a low stake, non competitive game where it’s normal to die to the dumbest shit

[half halo]

A good console player will easily beat the PC bots, but good PC players will easily shit on good console players

[glad trench]

Even when BF has had massive player numbers it’s never suffered cheaters that badly (bring back rentable servers)

[half halo]

BF1 would like to have a word with you

Note: There are still hackers on the game in 2025

[glad trench]

Ya there’s going to be hackers in every game if it’s been around long enough

I remember MW through BO2 on console, hackers in there too

[half halo]

BF1 had hackers shortly after launch tho, it's not new

[glad trench]

BC2 and BF3 on console had hackers

[half halo]

Never met them. Seen plenty of exploiters though.
However I mostly played PC from Armored Kills and onwards

[glad trench]

And I’ve seen like 2 blatant cheaters in 2042 over the last 3.5 years

I know there’s more. I don’t think it’s an issue to where console players need to be worried about it

[vocal axle]

If they add a US Army skin, I hope it looks like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/s/iU2tMrKxfz

[tall urchin]

That's strictly false, and it's been statistically debunked in games like Halo, Apex/R5, and CoD. Controller clears top 100 PC players by nearly 10% accuracy

Turns out having something that autonomously aims for you at 0ms reaction time that works through visual recoil and effects is strong

[half halo]

I'm not talking about TOP players, I'm talking about good players in general, totally different demographic. Also, Apex got also a freaking insane AA, bad take

[half halo]

That's not how AA works, but sure

[tall urchin]

CoD is even stronger than Apex

[half halo]

Topic Closed, I won't argue for such futile things

[tall urchin]

It's 100% how it works lol, there's dozens of videos that demonstrate how it works

[half halo]

I see you Will keep your stand, I'll keep mine, we'll get nowhere

[tall urchin]

Alright, stay ignorant then

[half halo]

Lmao

[feral garden]

They are correct, its not how it works. Modern AA uses proximity magnetism

[half halo]

Stay stubborn because a console player killed you once

[tall urchin]

Look up rotational aim assist, I beg you to get somehow right for once

[half halo]

[tall urchin]

Man's allergic to information

[glad trench]

Destiny’s bullet magnetism lmao

[half halo]

Man's chose to be a keyboard warrior today, We are trembling

[feral garden]

COD tried to "balance" their AA by requiring you to provide aim/movement input for it to trigger. But that simply made players swap to A/D spamming always in order to maintain the magnetism.

[half halo]

Bullets chosen by the almighty Santa Boris

[feral garden]

"Game designer and product manager is allergic to information" sure I am

Literally is my job to digest information

But im here for your explanation of the mechanics behind modern AA, or AA in any modern FPS game as an example.

[tall urchin]

I already detailed the exact name for it, you can look it up since you don't want to listen anyway

I'm going to make better use of my time

[feral garden]

Please link the message here then. Unless its where you said it snaps

Classic run and hide tactic

[tall urchin]

I didn't even say snap, what lol

[mossy marten]

All i'll just say is look up Hecksmith on twitter regarding CoD Rotational AA

[glad trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1joewn2/minimalist_hud_heavy_inspiration_from_bf4_why_fix/

another garbage UI mockup by yours truly... r/battlefield

[mossy marten]

the only half decent thing is the minimap, everything else is a high schooler in a graphic design class made it

the minimap only cuz it's bf4 copy paste

[glad trench]

first thing I learned in my HS graphic design class is to do dozens of iterations before showing anyone lmao

[half halo]

It's always to do multiple versions, with the one you want done better, while the other versions are straight up trash, so your preferred work is always selected

[glad trench]

more than a few times one of my trash throwaway ones become the main one after coming back to it a day later and being like "oh wait, might have cooked here by mistake"

[fleet robin]

always worth walking away and looking at it later with fresh eyes

so many times i think a photo looks good in post but after a snack break i realise i over edited

[tall urchin]

Important with any creative process too, same with music

[dense nest]

Just reading about the next BF Labs playtest session being confirmed for Friday April 4th and honestly I'm just wondering what a 22yr BF Veteran has to do to get an invite 🤣

Skate playtest: Got (don't really like Skating games)

F1 playtest: Got (don't really care much for F1)

BF Labs playtest: "fuck off, old man!"

[glad trench]

why do "vets" think they're special or have some kind of precious insight that is deserving of early access

[glad trench]

me posting a snowboarding clip to my IG story thinking it's amazing. Look at it again a couple hours later and cringe lol

[fleet robin]

can't share what playtests you're involved in btw

[cedar flax]

Battlefield maps that take place across the United States sounds pretty cool

Especially la

[north estuary]

luck of the draw man. been around since 1942, there is no logic other than lottery pick from a batch that meet their criteria for targeting demographics

[cedar flax]

What are your thoughts on the next battlefield so far

I think of myself as a big battlefield fan but you’ve been apart of the community long before I was even alive

So I’d just like to hear your thoughts on it

[north estuary]

personally, from everything that's been "leaked" those people don't show the potential from the game. it

it's very annoying to see an fps game thats historically played on pc being played by people with controllers

it doesnt give you a good sense of how movement is and gun play is

map design as far as i can tell seems decent for infantry gameplay. im more interested on how they are going to tackle bigger maps to support air vehicles

[glad trench]

it's been over half the franchise's lifespan now where the game has been available on controller/console

close to 75% of its lifespan

[north estuary]

if they can stay true to keep the game more of a modern military shooter that doesnt stray too far from BF formula then i think it will be fine. this game shouldnt be a movement shooter like apex or how cod has become. they need to slow down movement more

[north estuary]

ive always played with keyboard and mouse. controller support may have been there that long but it hasnt really been big or utilized as much until stronger AA came into play. the fact that devs cant get a good balance between kbm and controller AA is very annoying

also, i said historically for pc

either way i think the game should be fine if people dont over hype it but still kind of curious how they will actually implement things.

[glad trench]

"historically" is only a 5 out of 23 year period before they brought it to console.

Also controller support hasn't been utilized much? More console players play this game than PC players

[north estuary]

which game are you referring to?

im talking about the franchise as a whole since 1942

[glad trench]

ya, only 3-4(depending on how you count BF Vietnam) mainline games were PC exclusive

this game has been designed with consoles in mind for over 15 years now

[north estuary]

yeah because thats where the market went to

still doesnt change the fact where the over all design came from

[glad trench]

no, it changes stupid statements like this...

[north estuary]

the point is, 1 choice of input should out shine they other. it should be equal playing field and in the past couple of years it hasnt been

[glad trench]

it's very annoying to see an fps game thats historically played on pc being played by people with controllers

[north estuary]

all the leak'd footage is from people playing with controller

it is very annoying to see that

you can't make a good view point on how movement is or gunplay because of them clunking around. these people that leaked the footage dont care that they get removed from the play test and probably dont have the same type of passion people who have been playing for years that didnt get in

[glad trench]

I've gotten a good point of view of the movement/gunplay, not hard to decipher when you read their dev post on the philosophy. Most people with "passion" are equally as dogwater as the people in the leaks, what's your point?

[cedar flax]

I want to see that too

[cedar flax]

They better not add a cowboy skin or something dumb like that

Woody from Toy Story

[cedar flax]

I disagree with this most people can’t afford a pc so a console is the way to go

[glad trench]

At one point (not sure if it still is) a Stetson was a part of the offcial headgear of the US Army

you think no service member has gone out into combat rocking a cowboy hat?

[pulsar shard]

They better not add mvp cringe screens like BFV and 2042

[cedar flax]

It’s just impractical

Also if you go into a war zone wearing flannel and jeans your gonna die by shrapnel or it will get stuck on a jagged edge or something

[north estuary]

lol

[cedar flax]

Plus you look like a fool

Also factions should have a color palette

[north estuary]

what you dont like the glowing red lights?

[cedar flax]

NATO multicam and tan pax armada grey or green

Oh the glow sticks

[north estuary]

there was something i noticed that they brought back that no one has mentioned

[cedar flax]

If they added those as like an extra part of the uniform as extra team identification not the main way of identifying who is who

[north estuary]

variable range adjustment on snipers

the fact that 2042 doesnt have this to me is mind boggling

[cedar flax]

Also thank god specialists are gone

I hope they never return

[glad trench]

my dad was in Vietnam, there's a picture of him in jorts and sandals in combat

[cedar flax]

Proof?

[glad trench]

go ask people who actually served, war isn't some clean game of dress up

[cedar flax]

That wouldn’t fly in a modern army

[glad trench]

says someone who obviously hasn't seen service

again, go talk to people who served

[half halo]

I mean, just look at some pictures and videos of marines during the pacific in WW2

Many of them are dressed like There is no war going on

[glad trench]

you can find pics of marines dressed as santa firing at insurgents in the middle east

[cedar flax]

I’m close with people CURRENTLY serving and again wearing that into battle does not fly unless if you had nothing else to wear

[glad trench]

guess what happens a lot, shit

[cedar flax]

The vast majority of the time soldiers are wearing standard issue uniforms

Not dressed up as Batman or SpongeBob

The point is skins shouldn’t be rediculous

[glad trench]

well I'm glad that BF has given us batman or spongebob skins

[cedar flax]

That’s my point

[glad trench]

instead of cowboy hats

[cedar flax]

That’s what they wanted to do until we made it clear we don’t want that

[glad trench]

no, skins like that have never been in the cards

[cedar flax]

They were trying to turn bf into cod

[glad trench]

again, y'all just make shit up in your heads

[cedar flax]

There was a santa skin planned

For 2042 until it was cancelled

In 2042 there are still skins that border on being silly

[mossy marten]

[glad trench]

You mean the only reference to it being from Tom Henderson (who got a ton of shit wrong)

[glad trench]

almost like 2042 is set in a silly setting

[rugged seal]

it was a santa skin for boris and it never released

[covert nest]

What a mental image.

[cedar flax]

Father winter

That’s probably what I meant

[covert nest]

(Cosmetic was never added)

[cedar flax]

The Santa skin

[covert nest]

That's very low hanging fruit.

Even for a battlefield players standard.

[rugged seal]

complain about actual crossover skins if you are going to get mad about them

[cedar flax]

The point is the community doesn’t want rediculous skins it ruins the immersion and just looks bad

[glad trench]

who's the community? r/battlefield LARPers?

[cedar flax]

Thankfully there’s nothing that points to that in the next game

[mossy marten]

INB4 we get clown skins

[glad trench]

I'd rock it

[cedar flax]

People who actually care about this franchise and have been playing it for years and have had enough of rediculous cosmetics in bfv/bf2042

[glad trench]

I've been playing (BF 1942) since I was 8 on my brother's computer

I care about this franchise

[cedar flax]

Doesn’t invalidate my claim or make your opinion more valid

Let me rephrase that

[mossy marten]

Look
Cosmetics are going to be in the game no matter how much people throw a fit
The only thing that's worth arguing about is whether they go 2042 style or CoD style

[glad trench]

No, it nullifies your claim because you're projecting what you want onto a bunch of people

[cedar flax]

Doesn’t make mine or your opinion less important

[cedar flax]

So are you to an extent

[glad trench]

No, I'm speaking for myself

[cedar flax]

So am I I guess

[glad trench]

People who actually care about this franchise and have been playing it for years and have had enough of rediculous cosmetics in bfv/bf2042

Sounds like you're talking for others here

[cedar flax]

A lot of people are on the same page as me

The same for you

There can be a middle ground

Reasonable cosmetics

[glad trench]

BF V and 2042's cometics were reasonable

[cedar flax]

Bfv maybe

[glad trench]

2042 is a game with a silly setting and equally as silly lore. The cosmetics fit the game and are reasonable

[cedar flax]

If the next game wants to have a more serious tone it should stay away from that

[cedar flax]

The lore is supposed to be serious

[glad trench]

that's not what it turned out to be

[cedar flax]

Not goofy

[half halo]

[glad trench]

I'm going to spell this out for you, this game isn't a "serious" game. It's the equivalent of playing toy soldiers in your room as a kid and imagining crazy shit happening

[cedar flax]

They went in and changed the voice lines and made the specialists have a more serious appearance

[glad trench]

Is it tethered to the real world as inspiration, yuuuup

have the developers ever stated this is a serious military game... nope

[mossy marten]

How ya doing

[glad trench]

because the voice lines were annoying and low effort slop stemming from a disasterous dev cycle

the specialists apperances were gruffed up because they looked plastic and uncanny

[cedar flax]

Nobody here is making that argument what I’m saying is the game should at the very least have a coherent tone like bf4

[glad trench]

some still do

[cedar flax]

Bf4 was immersive and felt coherent

The tone stayed consistent throughout the campaign and gameplay

[glad trench]

1942 had jetpacks in it

[cedar flax]

1942 was over 20 years ago man

[glad trench]

and?

BF4 was 12 years ago

[cedar flax]

Still closer to what the franchise is today