battlefield-labs-discussion

[ruby merlin]

?

[quick merlin]

attrition for tanks though. good idea, imo.

[winter viper]

BFV movement was the best imo, gunplay...meh

[ruby merlin]

Yeah it balances sorta

[naive fractal]

BFV has some good stuff. The movement being one

But yeah that game really tanked

[winter viper]

^

[ruby merlin]

Movement was fluid

I likee the sliding as it had weight to it

[naive fractal]

I love that BFV told you when you are spotted

That’s 100% always been needed

[winter viper]

The movement and slide helped create a skill gap, much needed one too

[honest cliff]

Honestly a decent system imo would be to have a certain amount of med/ammo boxes off spawn for support and medic. Like 4-5 maybe, with a cooldown between placing them down
Once you run out then maybe they can only be resupplied from a supply point like BF5

[ruby merlin]

Reddit neckbeards complaining that there's slide in the new battlefield are so trash that they chat hit a moving target

Swear reddit is nuts

Dumbest takes

[winter viper]

They hate me on Reddit lol

[ruby merlin]

They think battlefield is milsim

[nimble bridge]

I agree with Zeethos, BFV has the shortest engagement distances in the series because random recoil assures you can't beam people from 100 meters

[honest cliff]

Do yourselves a favor lads
Never listen to the BF reddit unless you want to have a bad day

[naive fractal]

The BF Reddit is arguably the worst I’ve seen it these past few days

[ruby merlin]

Yup

[nimble bridge]

Controlling spread is easy af in comparison

[ruby merlin]

Most are trash cans that complain about women in a modern era battlefield

LIKE ITS A MODERN ERA GAME

WHY DOES IT MATTER

[mossy marten]

spread also does that
but bursting helps it be more accurate, as it should

[ruby merlin]

Fragile masculinity incels fr

[feral garden]

I feel like spotting should be way less powerful and remove the need for you to be told you are spotted tbh. Like a player spot not marking you on map, not showing a live update, or such. Make map spots last known positions

[honest cliff]

It makes sense for a modern game bcs women serve in modern militaries where they largely didnt in WW2 for BF5. Simple as.

[nimble bridge]

Spread can be mastered easily

[winter viper]

"I've played BF4 for 2k hrs and never seen anyone do a zouzou"

Yeah probably because you were prone sniping a mile away trying to make a clip for YT ya F king nerd lol

[nimble bridge]

Random recoil can't be mastered by design

[ruby merlin]

No women actually fought on Frontline in ww2. Now modern yes but still not much

But they can

And they do

Just not much

Also other countries they do as well

[naive fractal]

I think spotting really carries BF game visibility. Really important. The better these games look the harder it is to see things

[ruby merlin]

Pretty sure China forces men and women to fight

Or something

[glad trench]

this, giant gap in the average player that can learn bursting in BF4 as opposed to the players that tame BFV random recoil

[ruby merlin]

If you care about women being in a modern era military game then you have problems

[naive fractal]

Well you cant control BFV gunplay lol, it’s designed not to be. Feels horrible tbh

[mossy marten]

but here's the kicker
IT'S A VIDEO GAMEEEEEEEEE
WHO CARES that much to include women as some characters (MP related only)

[mossy marten]

this, random recoil + decoupled reticle makes it feel gross

[ruby merlin]

True

[nimble bridge]

If they add that to BF6 people will ask 3D spotting to be removed once they notice 90% of their deaths comes from that 😂

[sudden sigil]

Didn’t expect to find Enders here

[glad trench]

railing someone from a distance in BFV consistently with the m1 or turner felt good

[naive fractal]

Detaching the point of aim from screen center remains one of the worst changes ever lol

[glad trench]

he drops in fairly reg

[minor linden]

Fr. The only times it matters is when you’re replicating an irl story in like a campaign

[winter viper]

Women have fought in combat and wars for thousands of years, but leave it to the neck beards to get upset about a women in a video game holding a gun. MUH Immersion reeeeeeee

[sudden sigil]

I usually don’t run into or be in the same space as content creators

[naive fractal]

Because of the way the gunplay was in BFV it only made SLR’s that much better. The G43 was insane too

[glad trench]

the decoupled reticle was the issue imo

[mossy marten]

agreed, that shit is annoying, bf1/hardline can bypass it because bullets spawned from center screen, so crosshair x = Ws

[sudden sigil]

I want bf6 to have the same level of customization that bfv has 😀

[naive fractal]

Now understand how good the G43 was and know that the BSVM in 2042 was even better lmao

[honest cliff]

Spotting should honestly take longer in newer games.
I think that and pinging should probably be mapped to one button/key. Tapping it will spot an enemy, but you have to keep your cursor on the enemy for like half a secnond for the spot to go through, and there should be like a 1 second cooldown between new spots. And holding it should just allow you to ping stuff

[naive fractal]

Thats how busted it was

[glad trench]

pre nerf BSVM hehehehe

[quick merlin]

all for recoil and spread. no for laser beams. just imo.

[naive fractal]

Pre nerf BSVM is one of the most OP BF weapons ever

[feral garden]

2042 andV (to a degree) are terrible when it comes to 3D visuals of spotted soldiers and markers/icons.

Way too much info, like health bars, player name, class icon. Players become reliant on those things to see anything. Which is a failure on the rendering and design side.

[glad trench]

1 kill away from Tier 40ing it and have just kept it at that for like 1.5 years now

as soon as they nerfed it I was like, nah I'm done

[honest cliff]

lmao

[naive fractal]

I think going back to the way BF4 did things would be acceptable. Looking at someone in 2042 and having all that info come up is really strong but also provides excellent visibility

[nimble bridge]

MAS44 🐐

[glad trench]

BFV levels of 3d spotting but use the 2042 glowstick on uniforms I feel would be a good spot for visibility

[mossy marten]

bu-bu-bu-bu-but MuH ImMeRsIoN

[honest cliff]

Also the lighting on 2042 is really annoying. its hard to see things after you exit a building

[nimble bridge]

2042 doesn't even need 3D spotting imo, it's one of the most visually clear games in the series, lights they added to player models makes a huge difference

[glad trench]

inside me are two wolves:

one with dorito chips perma stuck on my head

the other with glowsticks on my body

[winter viper]

Yeah, let me have my Yee Haw back

[feral garden]

2042 has those icons appear at much to far a range, so a nerf to that alone would also help. Also bugs related to those things being visible through geometry/walls, etc are bad for the games. But I would guess solving them (for 2042) woild incur a big CPU time cost.

[honest cliff]

For me the glowsticks never seemed to stick out that much against most backgrounds

[winter viper]

^

[nimble bridge]

I used to think that until I played BF3/BC2 mode

Some character models were literally invisible in Stadium

[glad trench]

They were just enough to have your eye catch something but never too bad like BF 3/4 spotting

for me

your eyes may vary

[feral garden]

With factions returning, hopefully they are working on having some nice clean and recognizable class sillouettes. Glownsticks were mostly needed in 2042 due to the specialist clone wars. I did like them for at a glance player identification tbh tho.

[winter viper]

BF1 spotting wasn't too bad I guess

[feral garden]

Spotting is low on my list of concerns tbh. It's still a good topic for discussion tho

[nimble bridge]

We need glowsticks again imo

[winter viper]

Just, please no more wall hack stuff

[glad trench]

imo spotting is pretty big, dictates how the game plays out/visibility

[nimble bridge]

Say no to 3D spotting

[feral garden]

The glow sticks are nice for having minimal HUD modes or gameplay capture.

[glad trench]

how many times in BF 3/4 I'd just shoot at a dorito despite never actually seeing what I'm shooting at

[winter viper]

I mean if the dorito tag disappeared after 2 secs, it wouldnt be that bad would it

[glad trench]

keep the dorito if you tag someone with a spot and maintain sight on them

but the perma 3d spotting of 3/4 that would follow you behind cover/walls needs to die

and like enders brought up, keep the BF V notification that lets you know if you're spotted

[feral garden]

That's another way to balance it. But would you make the 3D element gone after 2 seconds, but said player remain map spotted for longer?

[winter viper]

What's that thing in 2042, you shoot Rao or Paik and then you get spotted for the entire team or something. Never again, cancer

[feral garden]

Getting killed by a Paik after they spot you with their hack is one of the least enjoyable things that can happen to a player in 2042.

[winter viper]

Yeah it spots them for your squad only for 2 secs unless you maintain visual. Would work nicely

[naive fractal]

Its a necessary evil though because the base visibility without spotting is poor. You can try to help that with player lighting, little glowsticks, but I think Q spot is really needed

[feral garden]

It's also incredibly low skill

[glad trench]

y'all see Paiks these days? Feel like I see 1 per match at most

[naive fractal]

Killing them in-between scans is one of the funniest

[nimble bridge]

Sure, 90% of the players don't even know the existence of minimap

[winter viper]

I have 0 respect for anyone that uses Paik or Rao, or Casper

[glad trench]

like I said, if I can visually see you and spot you and maintain that visual, keep the dorito. If I (the spotter) lose visual of you, the dorito needs to disappear

[mossy marten]

don't forget to include Liz

[winter viper]

Ugh, TV rockets should be left to vehicles

[glad trench]

unlike 3/4 where you just spam spot and have your screen lit up

[winter viper]

Having that many available players use the TV rocket showed how unplayable and unbalanced it can get

[spice bramble]

Most importantly we need BF2 "Enemy spotted!" spam back

[feral garden]

TGM is really fun, but the 2nd worst gadget for balance in 2042. (Behind C5)

[winter viper]

What's wrong with C5?

[naive fractal]

Lis is an absolute abomination

[mossy marten]

nods

[feral garden]

C5 paired with the shitty maps and constant availability of vehicles like the pondhawk make it the defacto way to stop troublesome ground vehicles.

[winter viper]

Not a fan of SgtDngrCow? Lol

[glad trench]

C5 w/ sundance and mackay*

and then the pondhawk

[spice bramble]

Oh, Sundance + C5 is annoying as shit

[winter viper]

I miss the days of Sundance and M5 Recoilless WingZooks

But pilots cried

"We can't see you coming"

[winter viper]

Camping tanks and Wildcats are more annoying-er

[spice bramble]

Consider why they could be camping...

Not that Sundance would be the sole reason, but surely doesn't help it

I tried pushing with tanks but Sundance would just squirrel up on me, drop C5's and kaboom

[winter viper]

Because they are skill-less turds in a over protected vehicle harassing and farming kills from the sideline?

[feral garden]

They added all these other launchers to the game, but when the best, most efficient way to destroy a ground vehicle is to redeploy and use C5, they are mostly irrelevant. I don't think I've ever been killed by the javelin or SRAW

[spice bramble]

I told you

I tried pushing, but with the vertical mobility and abundance of Mackay's, it's hard

[naive fractal]

tanks in 2042 were kinda forced to camp because of how much AT spam there was + Lis, it was very hard to actually stay up imo

[spice bramble]

But sure, some people are purely just skill-less

[feral garden]

Vehicles aren't over protected in 2042 lol

[spice bramble]

Yes

Literally

[feral garden]

The maps all suck for any kinds of smart movement, as soon as you try to help in a sector/objective at close/medium range, you get killed by c5.

[spice bramble]

Sundance nades, too

Normal grenades

So many things can damage a tank

[winter viper]

Every vehicle in 2042 has AA counter measures, they also have APS, the RAM being the biggest POS of then all

[naive fractal]

yeah the RAM is insane lol

[feral garden]

And APS does nothing against C5. RAM is just too fast, both max speed and acceleration

[spice bramble]

I remember release day RAM, so easy to farm

• with it

[feral garden]

It's armor is mostly fine, and it does suffer a bit from 2042 launch design syndrome. Aka, rockets and explosive launchers on all seats.

[winter viper]

Pretty sure once deployed (APS), the C5 can no longer detonate and is destroyed when thrown

[feral garden]

It can

[winter viper]

Unless they changed it

[feral garden]

APS does nothing to c5 since season 3

Or was it 5?

I can't remember anymore lol

[winter viper]

S5 maybe

Same

Too many changes

There was a point Irishs APS stopped everything including smoke grenades but not rockets

[feral garden]

The best feeling armor to play aggressively is the Brawler. Cos it's armor and survivability on objectives isn't terrible.

[winter viper]

You'd think after 2800hrs I'd remember this stuff

[feral garden]

Irish APS no longer stops rockets now, iirc

[rugged seal]

The new ifv with the armor upgrades are pretty beefy too

[naive fractal]

lol, irish APS camping tanks, God 2042 was so broken

[feral garden]

The gunner seat on the new IFVs feel better than any other gunner seat.

[naive fractal]

nothing compares to pre-nerf superhind + double repair tool bug

possibly the most OP vehicle of all time

[feral garden]

Well...angel crate, launcher and infinite ammo/armor comes close lmao

[glad trench]

lmao s1 superhind on exposure BT

[half halo]

Still baffles me that it was so busted they renamed Them from "transports" to "gunships" lmaooo

[naive fractal]

not even close imo

At one point during S1 my K/D for 2 days combined was 1002/2

in the superhind

biblical farm

[winter viper]

I wouldn't know... lol

[naive fractal]

yeah they just caved lol

"lets rename it"

[winter viper]

Mmm remember 30mm Bolte on release lol

It was nice being able to snipe them out, until they changed that too

[covert nest]

Please no gunships ever again

[naive fractal]

i dont get why they made the bolte's windshield bulletproof lol

[mossy marten]

wasn't the hoverecraft windows also able to be shot thru?

[covert nest]

I genuinely believe they're the most broken vehicle in recent memory.

[mossy marten]

then they removed that as well?

[winter viper]

Yep

Hovercraft had bullet proof windows, and now they arent

[mossy marten]

they didn't change it back to bulletproof windows? i thought they did, then again, i very rarely see hovercrafts anyway

[covert nest]

Did it? They didn't have at release.

[rugged seal]

It does reduced damage

[winter viper]

They were shortly, but you can shoot through them now, at least since S5

[rugged seal]

Similar to how the civilian pickup trucks also have reduced damage when shooting thru its windows for some reason

[winter viper]

Still mad you couldn't snipe pilots out in BFV unless it was the German planes...

[mossy marten]

i hope they don't allow transports to have hella weapon choices like they do in 2042
a jeep shouldn't have a flak, GL, minigun, and whatever other stuff there is that i don't remember

[winter viper]

Flak, GL, mini gun, heavy machine gun, both with or without thermals, and the 30mm or 50mm lol

[mossy marten]

yeah, like it's a fucking TRANSPORT, not a fucking IFV

[nimble bridge]

You can shoot at them but only in close distance

Like 20 meters

[glad trench]

that datamined game mode sounds interesting

[tall urchin]

Felt

Glad at least the casuals love the visual clutter

[indigo pebble]

gunship was okay jsut needs a tweek

[covert nest]

No they weren't.

They were never ok.

[honest cliff]

The 50mm was disgusting

[rotund pier]

Tempoyral leaks point towards only three bolt action rifles which i think confirms class loadouts wont be a thing

Very sad 😔

[ebon beacon]

G43 is really good especially when you use the detachable magazine

[queen flint]

yolo twiz

[young jetty]

Thank god, please go back to weapon locked classes

[rotund pier]

No no

Literally the opposite

[mossy marten]

His first message was correct before they deleted it

[rotund pier]

There’s only three bolt action rifles

If there were class restricted weapons, the number would be higher to match the other classes

Unless they also locked the DMRs to the recon class

[glad trench]

nah, no locked weapons. make the weapon perk for each class more aggressive

to push a class towards a weapon class but not restrict

[young jetty]

Do you realize that weapon locked classes is apart of the core of battlefield?

[glad trench]

I'd say large maps, sandbox gameplay and combined arms are the core of battlefield

not arbitrary locked weapon classes that change from game to game

or I'd say that 1942 is core battlefield and each class should only have 1 gun. no unlocks, you're stuck with one gun

[ebon beacon]

I hope they change it before launch and here's hoping thats a pre-alpha thing

[rotund pier]

Bruh

[covert nest]

I'd be up for locked weapons if we had shit like all kit smgs or something.

No idea what they actually have planned though

[rotund pier]

Locked weapons is the BIGGEST part that makes bf special for me

The ROLES

[glad trench]

class gadgets...

[ebon beacon]

BF4 had class locked weapons yet most of the players can still be aggressive

[rotund pier]

Without the weapon restrictions the game is literally Modern Warfare

[glad trench]

lmao

[young jetty]

If you’re playing support then you should only use LMGS/MMGs

[rotund pier]

Yeah, mw19 had respawn beacons, rpgs, all that shit that’d be the class gadgets

[honest cliff]

If they did it would be equal for weapon counts per class so thats probably the case

[ebon beacon]

Just make Carbines and Shotguns universal weapons like in BF4 and everything be class locked

[glad trench]

so CoD had a gamemode that was inspired by BF

[rotund pier]

Without class restrictions, there’s nothing separating BF from CoD

[glad trench]

so is BF CoD or is CoD BF?

[rotund pier]

Mhm, Ground War, it was cool af ngl

[fleet robin]

agreed, it also makes gameplay more predictable and strategic. If you're going up against an assault in bf4 you know what weapons they'll be carrying and can plan for it

[young jetty]

Exactly bf need to have its own identity, not copy shitty ass COD games.

[ebon beacon]

Class restrictions also helps you identify what Class are you fighting against especially games like BF4

[rotund pier]

And the problem is the devs just don’t fucking care!

Because any class being able to access any guns means more microtransactions

Why?

[rugged seal]

what

[rotund pier]

Think about it

Think someone who mains Recon

[rugged seal]

reddit moment

[glad trench]

no they have heaps of data showing that players pick a class based off of the weapon

[ebon beacon]

BFV had class locked weapons but they still sell mtx

[rotund pier]

Why would they buy an AR skin?

[glad trench]

leading to massive imbalances across the franchise

[rotund pier]

But, if any class can equip any weapon

No matter what class you main

[young jetty]

Wrong

[rotund pier]

You’ll be able to equip the same skin

In all classes

[ebon beacon]

Not really just look at BFV, the game had class locked weapons but every guns per class has their own strong weapons

[rotund pier]

Idk if I explained myself properly

[ebon beacon]

BFV Support and Recon had the FG-42 and the ZH89

Plus the BAR

[glad trench]

ARs will always be the most popular by a mile. It leads to big problems like lack of support players (whatever class is stuck with LMGs usually)

[ebon beacon]

I can play as a Support in BFV and get 50-15/20

[glad trench]

and if some gun is widely stronger than everything else, people will pick the class to use that gun, disregarding everything else

[fleet robin]

this is true, shit guns discourage people from playing a class

[honest cliff]

See BF5 medics who dont medic

[young jetty]

Weapon locked classes will always and forever be the core part of battlefield.

[rotund pier]

True but every class having access to the same guns leads to monotony

[ebon beacon]

Of course but if you put a strong weapon on every gun categories they would like to stick to that class more like what BFV did again

[fleet robin]

i think as long as classes have defined roles and locked gadgets we'll have a good middle ground, even if i prefer locked guns

[glad trench]

there's already monotony when the majority of the server is playing X class to use Y gun regardless

[ebon beacon]

Plus based on the leaks Support players gets a AR style of weapon

[ebon beacon]

Battlefield 4 literally

[glad trench]

if you want class identity, ask DICE to lean more into each class gadget doing it's job to a greater degree

[fleet robin]

this i can also agree with, there's a lot of overlap with some roles

or there has been, i should say

[honest cliff]

Yeah honestly BF4 mostly balanced class specific weapon catagories well, but supports were hard to find bcs LMGs kinda sucked outside of a few examples alongside having overall mostly mid gadgets

[young jetty]

Yes I want to be only using SMG/PDW’s as an engineer

[glad trench]

cool, YOU can do that

[honest cliff]

If the leaks are true Engies get SMGs back

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much the opposite of what BFV is doing, every gun per categories have their own strong guns so if they can do that while having a class locked weapons, why they can't do in the next game too?

[young jetty]

But I don’t want to be able to use snipers as an engineer.

[rotund pier]

the problem is that this just makes the roles disappear

idk I hate this weapon system and this class system

specially assault being

that, assault

[glad trench]

BFV had a problem (idk what it's currently like, haven't played for a few years) where the majority of lobbies were medics because of the type 2k being widely more powerful than anything else and they weren't doing their medic roles.

[rotund pier]

their role is "kill"

[fleet robin]

not really, guns don't play nearly as big of a part in roles as the gadgets do

[glad trench]

an engineer using an AR/SMG/LMG doesn't change it being the vehicle buster class

[rotund pier]

I feel they play as much of a role

[fleet robin]

all they do is essentially decide what distance a class can engage other classes

[nimble bridge]

3 too many

[ebon beacon]

Yeah which is why I still think BFV nail the class balance since class has their own strong weapon like the SG 1-5 for the Assault, ZK 383 for the Medic, FG-42 for the Support and the ZH-89 for the Recon which allows the players to play aggressively

[honest cliff]

I agree that BF5 had good class to class weapon balance but their gadget balance was fucked

[glad trench]

You can have 2042's weapon system but make the class perks for the specific weapon class to a degree to where you probably don't want to use a gun outside of that

but people are still given the freedom to pick whatever gun on any class

[rotund pier]

something I do find kind of weird if they are going with the free weapon system however

[ebon beacon]

Type 2A is useless outside of Metro and most of the maps, every weapons are viable hell I can fight to head with a ZK user in the Medic using the FG-42 as a support

[rotund pier]

there's carbines and there's assault rifles

[fleet robin]

carbines would be silly if every class has an assault rifle

[rotund pier]

I guess they are separating the categories to not clutter the category of ARs

but it is weird

[ebon beacon]

I mean BF4 had that and it was fine honestly

[fleet robin]

it was fine because assault rifles were restricted to assault

[ebon beacon]

It didn't change massively

[fleet robin]

if bf6 has unrestricted guns then nobody will use carbines ever

[glad trench]

I don't play that close of attention to the gun names, the type 2A probably isn't the gun I'm thinking of for medic.

I know weapons are viable outside of them, I played practically exclusively assault because I like semi auto rifles the best when developers don't actively make them dogshit in games

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much

[rotund pier]

thing is

idk what the fuck they mean by carbines

because the HK417 is a carbine according to them

[glad trench]

doesn't change the fact there was a massive medic population due to one of their guns being stupid broken for a period of time leading to a ton of medics but no medic gameplay.

[nimble bridge]

2042's perks are meh, it's only good for assault players

[honest cliff]

Assault has almost all the explosives, both anti infantry AND AT which feels dumb, because AT is much higher priotity. medics obviously have heals and revives but smokes ultimately get annoying in their volume later into matches. Supports obviously have ammo, but their gadgets boil down to a mini nade pistol which makes little sense for supports defensive nature, outside of the normal mines. Recons do make sense with their spotting gadgets and spawn beacons though.

[rotund pier]

I still think that this leads, wether the players want to or not, to help others

[ebon beacon]

Even with the ZK 383 which is what most players are using as a medic, they can still fight heads on with the Assault and Support cuz their guns are really strong too

[rotund pier]

they throw a medkit to heal themselves on the floor

yet it's also healing teammates

[glad trench]

I agree, DICE can do better with the perks

[rotund pier]

the thing I don't like about this BF6 system is that the assault is a loner class

they can't do shit to help others

[ebon beacon]

Kinda but the biggest reason is because of the Attrition system

[rotund pier]

as far as I'm aware

they just kill

and that's it

[ebon beacon]

Attrition system made the medic more viable than using the Assault

[glad trench]

the attrition system isn't stopping medics from reviving

[rotund pier]

I can't wait for the whole team to be filled with assault players and 0 healing and 0 ammo boxes

[honest cliff]

Thats the worst thing about the class system since BF4. Assault has been turned into a lone wolf class in a team based game.

[ebon beacon]

Yeah but they carry unlimited health pouches

Which they can play more aggressively

Compared to Assault and Support

[rotund pier]

also they are advertising this shit as "The classes are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[glad trench]

which will happen if AR's get locked to Assault

[rotund pier]

yet it's literally BF2042

[ebon beacon]

Since you can't fully regenerate your health

[nimble bridge]

Fragging is helping others

[glad trench]

infantry maps will just be assualts

[honest cliff]

Honestly medics should have a certain amount of med boxes with cooldowns, they need to resupply their boxes at some point.

Easy that stops infite heals without attrition

[glad trench]

nah draining the other team's tickets isn't helping the team

[ebon beacon]

Again that's not the case since they're bringing back mechanics like being able to grab Health and Ammo from the Medic/Assault or Support players from BFV and Hardline which is already in the leaks

[rotund pier]

I think something that could benefit the assault class if they are going to go with this shitty class system is giving them smoke grenade launchers

at least that'd help the whole team push

[nimble bridge]

True, helping the team is half reviving teammates only for them to die 2 seconds later again 🤣

[ebon beacon]

They're bringing back grabbing Health and Ammo mechanics from BFV and Hardline which the leaks already confirmed so you can just go near them and grab them by yourself

[glad trench]

which doesn't change anything if the majority of players are just playing assault because ARs are their favorite guns

[nimble bridge]

I have no idea why 2042 has so many bad medics, 90% of the time they don't revive, when they revive they just half revive which leads to unnecessary deaths

[rotund pier]

That's pretty good

also, people complained about Hardline not being a BF game

imo, that shit was FIRE

loved that shit

[glad trench]

I swear medics between V and 2042 forgot that smoke grenades exist

[rotund pier]

and I feel it was way more of a BF game than BF2042 because again, classes

[glad trench]

2042 in general the playerbase (always my team) forgets smoke exists

[ebon beacon]

I mean that's always the case even in BF1 and BFV yet there are still players playing as a Support and Medic nonetheless

[glad trench]

ya, because the playerbase doesn't know what it's talking about

and the only thing that makes it a bf game to them is if it's set in a modern time period

[heady thorn]

[ebon beacon]

What are you talking about? BFV smokes are literally spammed alot just finished playing BFV an hour ago and most players are spamming smokes

[honest cliff]

What if they just make all the guns similarly good so nobody overuses one catagory

[honest cliff]

I think he means 2042 smokes are underused

[glad trench]

reread it, I'm saying medics from V -> 2042 forgot how to use their smokes

[ebon beacon]

Oh no idea with 2042 cuz I skip that game but in BFV everyone is spamming smokes

To the point like it looks like Snoop Dogg's party

[rotund pier]

they could restrict smoke grenades to just assault

[glad trench]

...

[honest cliff]

lmao

[rotund pier]

again, this would make them more of a team player

and reduce the spam of nades

unless everyone decides to go assault

[honest cliff]

Probably, honestly they should go to support as welll imo

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much what BFV is doing and nailed, every gun per class has their own strong weapon

[glad trench]

assault having the "best" kill tools in the game is their team play

[rotund pier]

but that team play sucks ass

[nimble bridge]

Every class should use smokes

[ebon beacon]

I agree especially if you want to play aggressively

Smoke helped alot

[glad trench]

says who? you? The assault player flanking and killling, diverting attention away from other spots on the map is team play

and having the gadgets that excel in that, enable that

personally, give them an insertion beacon too

so my flanks get that much better

[nimble bridge]

I agree

Insertion beacon on assault would be better

[rotund pier]

you guys just want to play cod 😭

[nimble bridge]

Would also lead to less snipers

[gaunt flume]

hi

[heady thorn]

the comet!

[glad trench]

gonna blow your brain, BF and COD have always been very close to each other

[rotund pier]

I don't think so

[manic gate]

[rotund pier]

they've been getting closer over time

and that fucking sucks

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/xenopixels-geometry-defense-gdf-xeno-xeno-pixels-jomeplata-gif-10287740454155479249

[rotund pier]

I'll keep cooking

[nimble bridge]

Assault's perma gadget should be insertion beacon, medpen should be an optional gadget 🗣️

[glad trench]

you really havent been around either franchise long

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/house-burning-down-burning-house-flames-gif-23275839

[honest cliff]

The best part of BF4's teamplay specifically w its gadgets is that theres a consistent principle.
All the classes can do basic actions. (Heal automatically, use vehicles and counter vehicles, retain ammo, defend areas, spot enemies, etc) Every class, though, can excel at some of those jobs more than others. The benefits they can give to themselves (healing, resupplying, spotting, repairing, etc) apply to other players as well, and all this hasnt been as true as other BF games.

[rotund pier]

aight, compare BF3 and MW3

and tell me what's similar about them

[glad trench]

because BC2 / BF3 / BF4 was nothing but the playerbase crying about how each new BF was just COD

[young jetty]

Gameplay wise? yes. Immersion and Authenticity? No

[honest cliff]

Spawn beacon would probably be best on recon and medpen should never return

If you want to heal it shouldnt be an entirely selfish gadget. Get a damn medpouch or medbox and use it on your buddies

[nimble bridge]

Spawn beacon on recon would just make half the team sit at the edge of the map

[rotund pier]

I think the closest are 2042 and MWII

[glad trench]

nah just give assault Zain's health regen perk

lmaooo

[honest cliff]

Still a pointless perk honestly, its literally ripped from CoD lmao

[nimble bridge]

Recon's perma gadget isn't even spawn beacon in BF6, it's TUGS, recon is more selfish than assault

[honest cliff]

quick fix makes sense for CoD because engagements are closer together, it doesnt in BF

[glad trench]

go play 1942/COD1, BF2/COD2 and see how similar the gunplay/movement is

[rotund pier]

a shooter is a shooter

[nimble bridge]

BF2 has more movement 🤣

[rotund pier]

the thing that differentiates them is how they play

[manic gate]

I think you forgot to add an I there

[rotund pier]

and they are getting closer!

if you play 2042

and you play MWII

it's the same shit

[nimble bridge]

2042 is faster than MWII

[glad trench]

yup and BF still has giant maps, combined arms and classes

[honest cliff]

BF2 REMASTERED WILL SAVE THE FRANCHISE

[glad trench]

me using an AR on assault/medic/engineer doesn't change their class functions

[rotund pier]

classes that no longer feel like classes, and again, cod has GIANT maps

look up Ground War

there's helis, there's tanks

[honest cliff]

True but its what complements what

[glad trench]

so that's COD copying BF

but I thought BF only copys COD

[honest cliff]

THEY CAN COPY BOTH OML

[rotund pier]

no my point is they are blending

[glad trench]

so isn't your argument that COD now feels like BF cuz they copied COD?

[rotund pier]

no

CoD copied BF

and BF copied Cod

And now

they are blending together

and you can barely tell them apart

because there's nothing unique about BF

because classes don't mean shit

[glad trench]

you mean like they've been sharing ideas with each other (and medal of honor when it was around) for the past 20 years

damn, artists innovating and sharing ideas

[rotund pier]

you are driving me insane >:(

[dense creek]

It got a bad rap because it wasn't a war game, which yeah I can get the arguement, but the setting was so fresh and unique for me. You have to remember this was at the PEAK of the "stop making reskins" angst with people getting tired of the "annual sequel"

[glad trench]

they still do. Engineers are still the only ones with at mines, at grenades, launchers etc.

medics/support still the only ones that can give ammo, heal others and revive outside the squad

[rotund pier]

but it doesn't feel like you are changing classes

it feels like you are changing gadgets

[glad trench]

today you learned the gadgets are the classes

[rotund pier]

weapons and gadgets are

you aint conveincing me

I aint convincing you

we are stuck here

[nimble bridge]

We don't know if weapons are class locked or not

I would prefer them to be class locked but this is just alpha

Pre alpha

They most likely haven't decided how to distribute guns yet

[rotund pier]

i'm just making assumptions from the amount of sniper rifles in the files

[nimble bridge]

Who cares?

3 too many

[glad trench]

sniper rifles are 1HK but they're map pick ups only

[nimble bridge]

I would just give recon DMRs and make them another basic assault 🥶

[glad trench]

can we get dmrs that don't suck like in 2042

[rotund pier]

tbh

they should just give DMRs to recons aside from Bolt Actions

because DMRs are ass in any other role

I mean they are always ass

but still

[nimble bridge]

2042s DMRs are great

SVK, G428, VCAR

[glad trench]

never liked how they felt

[nimble bridge]

BSVM is legit better than many SMGs

[glad trench]

but maybe because I keep beating my head against the wall with the DM7

[nimble bridge]

DM7 is F tier

[fleet robin]

i remember when it was good

[glad trench]

trust me, I feel it

[fleet robin]

two shot kill

[covert nest]

What was?

[fleet robin]

DM7

[indigo pebble]

yea that thing is nuts

i found alot of the dmrs have become compleate trash lateley

[nimble bridge]

SVK still dominates, VCAR is good if you have good trigger finger

G428 is also really good

[covert nest]

Wait the 6p67 kord??? The modern day AEK????

[half halo]

Unrelated to the discussion, but I just played MW19 Ground war again, as I know many BF players played that mode when it released.

God is it an awful experience. Campers fest + killstreaks galore + MW19's TTK + elephants footsteps = excruciating moments

I hope the next BF is nothing like that lmao

[worthy summit]

GG

[mossy marten]

k bai 👋

[covert nest]

Hey it was deleted.

[mossy marten]

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much

[glad trench]

nah dude, COD and BF are practically the same because they share a few things

you can slide in both... boom the same game

weapons that might not be class locked... boom the same game

[young jetty]

MW2019’s ground war was a shitty attempt to capture battlefield’s conquest mode.

[glad trench]

EA looking at adding a BR to BF... boom the same game

[young jetty]

No lmao

[sinful stump]

Ground War is just for grinding your snipers lol

No flow to the games at all

Though I will say the moving helicopter spawn was a neat gimmick

[sinful stump]

hipfire on bsv trash though

[eternal sleet]

📏 I was discussing with Grok about how there be options to toggle between the imperial system and the metric system impact both the development and gameplay aspects of a new installment of the next Battlefield video game. 🎮

[mossy marten]

Grok mentioned?
🤮

[eternal sleet]

lol 😥 I apologize if submitting this post caused others to fallen ill.

[safe moat]

"I was discussing with Grok".... You see, there was the first problem

[glad trench]

people use Grok beyond finding ways for it to dunk on Elon?

[mossy marten]

Humanity is cooked and these "AI" aren't even terminators yet 😭

like at least let us get to the time travelling, blood thirsty robots

[granite mesa]

No because if we start time traveling then so will the AI

[granite mesa]

I didn’t know you could do that

[glad trench]

afaik, it's pretty easy to get Grok to say elon is incredibly stupid. look it up, a lot of the questions fed to it and answers are hilarious

[eternal sleet]

Is it as hilarious as the reviews from Amazon about Haribo Sugar Free Gummy Bears?

[dense plaza]

I love reading those lol 😆

[ruby merlin]

Yeah it's so dumb how people compare everything eith Cod

[glad trench]

BF players acting superior because they play X arcade shooter over Y arcade shooter

[worthy summit]

if gun mechanic is the same as 2042 its GG

no bullet drop

[ruby merlin]

It won't be

[vocal axle]

I’m pretty pumped by all the US Army vehicles in Labs/BF6(?) so far. Army instead of USMC is a nice change of pace (I know the factions have always sort of been a mix of both, but the vehicles are usually mostly one or the other)

I missed the Bradley 🙂

[glad trench]

isn't the m3a3 bradley in 2042?

or w/e its name is

[vocal axle]

I guess they added it

Recently

[worthy summit]

bro it took 7 years of development and invested big money to make Black mith Wukong, whats up with EA AAA title nowadays, everybody too lazy?

[vocal axle]

Opposite. Game dev for the expectations of AAA are grueling and require a ton of people and time.

It’s not just the visuals and animations, it’s also the content fans demand a game launch with.

[worthy summit]

need to spent time and effort to make a right game title, not copy and paste 2042 labs bro

im smelling stock marketing again lol

[vocal axle]

They could make a game the size and scope of Bad Company 2 and I’d love it, but the mainstream space would move on so fast. The competition for your time are F2P games like Fortnite. People spend 100 hours each week playing like two games for their entire life. That’s the market they gotta compete with.

[worthy summit]

mirco transaction fast pace stocking skin for sale you meant,

[vocal axle]

I mean sorta. But also releasing a new map or maps every couple months, constantly patching and balancing, adding weapons, and yes, the stupid skins. But guess what happens when you make a game without all that? People disengage because there’s a new season of some other game with new STUFF

The problem is there’s just too much to play. The market is flooded. And 90% of gamers spend 90% of their time on 9-10 live service games.

[worthy summit]

2042 made out of from basement,not even in a apartment complex,

[vocal axle]

I mean even if you use 2042 as an example, it was only able to achieve the state of success it’s had (and it HAS improved a lot) thanks to live service. It sucks but that’s just how it is.

Even Battlefield 5, a game people like now, took a long time to get into a state where people seem to really enjoy it. Do you remember how negative people were when it launched?

That’s why game dev takes so much time.

[worthy summit]

I think the fans would rather wait another 3 years bro,for a decent one,

[vocal axle]

Honestly the sweet spot today are smaller AA studios making games in Unreal Engine. Studios like the guys making Squad, or Insurgency. They don’t have huge teams so they’ve got less pressure. But those games don’t look as pretty as AAA games and their Discord servers aren’t as big.

They still need to generate profit though. Game dev sucks right now. It’s just an endless chase for post-launch consumer spending. That’s why they don’t make a lot of big single player games anymore. Selling a lot of copies is less important than selling a lot of DLC.

CoD is a game that isn’t really about playing CoD anymore. It’s about keeping you hooked into a storefront to buy skins.

Same with Fortnite. It’s just a big commercial.

[glad trench]

stop feeding the low effort bait

dude is barely coherent

[vocal axle]

Yeah my bad. I dunno what that dude is complaining about anyway.

[rugged seal]

comparing a battlefield game to black myth wukong is crazy

[vocal axle]

Labs looks like a Rembrandt compared to cod.

He should be happy they’re doing this.

[worthy summit]

no not complaining , is to compare, use time and effort into a game ,that's what a game mean to be meant.

AAA

[rugged seal]

a story game and a live service mp game

not the same

[worthy summit]

standard quality .

[rugged seal]

use jedi survivor or something

[mossy marten]

he was complaining that the next BF (that's in pre-alpha atm, mind you) is a copy/paste of 2042

[worthy summit]

im saying why it lost its title ?

[worthy summit]

nobody wants to refund a game, we all hyped for preorders, bro

when I heard the "screaming voice when you down" im like....ohh damnggg it's that again lol!

[rugged seal]

[worthy summit]

fkdup bro

dealta force is made in China, and its free! come on bro! get your azz up!

[ruby merlin]

Also they completely changed genre mid way through development, newer people at Dice, also EA not wanting to wait and forcing them to release earlier then they should

[covert nest]

Don't give the rando attention.

[ruby merlin]

Ok

[worthy summit]

they need people from who served in Military ,with story lines

rofl now i seen people for offened lol

its not fortnite baby game

your fire!

[manic gate]

anime skins when dice

[covert nest]

I'm not a fan of leaks but I'm really liking the selection of weapons that were leaked.

Ace 32, ksg, scar L, sc.

[worthy summit]

some game are for kids, some game are for big boys,

[mossy marten]

Me seeing MSBS:

[ruby merlin]

Me when Mtar

Tavor*

[worthy summit]

go to bed,go play your fortnite,eat your donut.

[strong ice]

Hey everyone, I just ask that you bring back platoons and spectator mode.

[mossy marten]

See, this is reasonable feedback right here

[covert nest]

Oh dude the Tavor is an easy good one too.

[covert nest]

You can tell this dude didn't come from reddit because they still have some braincells over the other guy.

[half halo]

[glad trench]

Emblem creator coming back when

That’s the important question, I want my pringles man emblem back

[mossy marten]

Never
The few rotten apples ruined it for everyone
(Also no money to be made since it's freeeeee)

[nimble bridge]

I'm glad PP Bizon won't be in the game

[thin pulsar]

Spectating is returning for stuff like Battle Royale

Tho not normal MP

Oh you mean spectating camera

yea nvm I got no clue

[safe moat]

They can keep that to the BR, just not in MP

[nimble bridge]

No kawaii bonbon = no buy

[manic gate]

[vague grove]

I’m hoping they put more effort into the voice work than 2042. BF1 is still my gold standard there.

https://youtu.be/4GB91eVIxxs?si=73i1vkLVl-7QCAY2

[safe moat]

I mean, the stuff we heard already sounds like there is good effort in it

Some are still spotty but it sounds better than 2042 already

[young jetty]

The audio design is perfect, but the voicelines are thankfully placeholders from 2042.

[young jetty]

[vocal axle]

I’m looking forward to see the US uniforms. So far only British for NATO I think.

The concept art US Army looks so good though. I hope they carry that into the actual game.

[sudden sigil]

Someone’s gotta clear out the point so that the other classes can assist more effectively tho

[spice bramble]

Pings for 2042 are the worst

[mossy marten]

when ping not for Labs News channel:

[misty thistle]

Is there confirmation Email for signing up?

Or just wait and pray

[mossy marten]

there's a confirmation that you registered interest
as for invites....... good luck

it's like winning the lottery basically

[misty thistle]

I don't think I received the registered email

[pallid coral]

I didn't either

I registered hour 1 so maybe that's why. I think the registration email is only for people who did it afterwards

[misty thistle]

Oh word, I signed up previously like 3 days after the launch of the sign-up cause of the queue but never got an email.

I guess I shall pray and bathe in copium

[vocal axle]

It sucks because I signed up so fast, but I realize that has nothing to do with getting picked.

I did get an email confirming I registered though. So that’s good.

[mossy marten]

yeup

[knotty iron]

a EA welcome to playtest or a battlefields lab specific one

ive always wondered since I just got an EA one, and I didn't know if it would say battlefield lab specifically

[twin fractal]

God the movement arguments have gotten so bad on the Subreddit, there are people actively trying to deny zou-zouing was a thing in Battlefield 3 and 4 💀

[mossy marten]

i don't dare go round those parts

[leaden ice]

Movement in any modern battlefield to this date has had very unrealistic movement besides like BF2

[twin fractal]

Funny you should say that cause uhhhh
https://youtu.be/xXX09xssmkE

[mossy marten]

I WAS BOUT TO POST THE SAME LINK

[leaden ice]

Ohhh okay so basically every battlefield mb

Hardline and 2042 have the most unrealistic movement tho don’t they

Maybe 5

[twin fractal]

I'd argue BFV's movement got pretty bad at times

being able to change your direction mid-slide as if the grounds made of ice is pretty obnoxious

[mossy marten]

it's a video game, who cares if it's unrealistic lol. Keep it within the style of BF and that's all

[leaden ice]

Though the people trying to argue that this battlefield should be more like ARMA or like milsim paced should just delete their accounts atp

[mossy marten]

based response

[leaden ice]

I’ve seen that dumb shit on the subreddit as well people are genuinely trying to push for that

Battlefield has always been larger scale fast paced chaos

[twin fractal]

Really the only Battlefield games that arguably had "slow, methodical, tactical movement" was Bad Company 1, 2, and 1943 and that's because they were built on Frostbite 1 and also built with console in mind which a lot of devs didn't feel had the capacity for more advanced movement at the time (they got rid of proning ffs) and people lost their minds about how dumbed down the movement was

[leaden ice]

I’d want BC2s destruction tho regardless ngl

[mossy marten]

i disagree on BC2s level of destruction. too much of it and it can ruin map flow

[ebon beacon]

Plus no cover

[leaden ice]

If not building destruction then terrain deformation

[mossy marten]

i prefer bf3/4 where you can destroy stuff, but it doesn't ruin flow or remove cover

[mossy marten]

yup

[leaden ice]

BC2 and BF1 have immaculate terrain deformation

[ebon beacon]

They could add that

[twin fractal]

I still think BFV had it figured out with the fortification system

Let us level the maps, but also let us build back up defenses

[leaden ice]

Every war game should have terrain deformation or at least some level of destruction imo

[twin fractal]

You'd be surprised how many players are willing to build fortifications. Every time I hop on BFV there's always 1 or 2 people on an objective building up the fortifications while everyone else has moved on or hell in some cases, the entire team will really quickly put up the fortifications and then move on

[calm seal]

I wasn't really keen on the ramps that went all over the place and you can only see with a hammer equipped if some1 destroyed it after them, and not sure I want half the team hammering. Also a bomber may just take them out in one go, they weren't very sturdy.

More fixed gun emplacements if maps were big enough and fixing those I could go for.

[leaden ice]

My personal favorite part when it came to the fortifications was the barbed wire and the sandbags

[calm seal]

Someone at some point suggested when you took a position, it just built the fortifications by default rather than being player made.

[twin fractal]

Eh, I think that would take away player initiative and remove a promotion of team work

Battlefield V matches could be decided by how well one team fortifies and holds it's objectives over the other team

and how well they fortified was dependant on how committed their teammates were to builting them up and repairing them as the match goes on

Why would DICE remove that layer of depth from the game?

[calm seal]

Not sure that was my experience of the game. I personally got fed up with the challenges, so your team is just "doing keepie uppies on the side line for a beanie" and saw fortifications as a part of that.

I preffered the set stages of destruction, you could have your favorite places for each stage of a building.

[unkempt sand]

Fortifications in BFV were great. People say they want everything to be destructible but if you do that then infantry is basically left as sitting ducks in a barren wasteland. Fortifications were a great way to allow for destruction while not leaving infantry the ability to create some cover

I'll die mad that people complained that it made BF into Fortnite because it was nothing like how building in Fortnite works

[glad trench]

BF players complaining about a mechanic that is vaguely shared with another game = BF becoming that game

[twin fractal]

Most gamers in general are dumb and don't actually know what they want

if games were only made as gamers wanted them then we'd never get innovative games

[radiant heath]

i really liked fortifications

it allowed the capture points to be a little different game to game, and kept there from being an obvious meta to approaching and taking points

[unkempt sand]

honestly I wish they'd be looking more at BFV for things to incorporate into the new BF than 3 or 4. The movement was great (although diving on your back with an MG was overpowered at points), the class balance was great, squad call ins were a great way to implement commander like mechanics without gating all of that power to one person on a team who might just sit on a hill sniping while dropping themselves supplies and calling in artillery when it's convenient for them. the weapon balancing was usually great (assuming we're talking about periods where the TTK was fast and people weren't bullet sponges). I even liked attrition because it encouraged players sticking with their squad to get ammo/heals.

[radiant heath]

oh yeah, mechanically BFV is phenomenal

i definitely don't want them to look to it for a blueprint for supporting a game though 😂

it took so long to get that game to be great

[unkempt sand]

the lack of support is the biggest strike against it, yeah, but that's on EA/DICE

aside from that it was the bugs and the time it took them to fix them. that and I found it annoying you could use faction specific skins in theaters where they don't make sense. I get that BF isn't a sim and I've made my peace with that but it's jarring to see germans in the pacific

I had been waiting for BF to come back to WWII since BF1942 (which I built my first PC to play back in 2002), and it was disappointing how little breadth it had in comparison between the factions, maps and mechanics (real naval battles, artillery system)

then they rug pulled me again with 2042 seeming to hint at a 2142-like setting but not delivering on that for 2142 fans

[radiant heath]

i'm kinda on the side of, i don't want region-locked weapons (lemme use the STG in the pacific if i want to!) so i can extend that thinking to character skins too

[unkempt sand]

I don't mind region locked weapons since that's how BF1942 and a lot of great mods for it were, but I get why they weren't locked since there's gameplay balance to consider. skins though don't really make sense beyond "they might have paid for this so we should let them use it wherever to make them happy"

[quick merlin]

love fortifications.

[glad trench]

From the leaks I see mostly BF V/2042 with a BF 3/4 skin

[sudden lodge]

Same

[glad trench]

DICE/Vince can pay lip service to BF 3/4 to appease those crybabies but from what’s actually shown, modern setting BFV (gunplay/movement).

Still hoping the first batch of playtests were truly just to test movement/gunplay and they start to layer features and mechanics like fortifications/squad call ins into the mix

[unkempt sand]

same. if I'm being honest I'm hoping they just drop the modern setting and say they're making a BFV2 lol. modern military settings are boring to me but I know that's what the FPS market wants. plus you then need to deal with balancing jets which turns into them being OP death machines that carpet bomb your spawn or being useless. also the fact they look goofy as hell since the maps can never be big enough to really convey their speed remotely close to realistically

[glad trench]

I think BF is due for another modern setting personally

After that, give us a game or two of different eras, still think it’s important for them to cycle through the last ~100 years of conflict stages

[quick merlin]

agree.

[glad trench]

Also make the T1 skins not fugly

That color scheme was so ass imo

[nimble bridge]

I like it on some of the weapons, such as GEW, SFAR and AC9

[quick merlin]

great for cover. more than for impeding the enemy's advance.

[glad trench]

Good cover allows you to impede the enemy advance

But no seriously dice, give us fortifications

Another leaked gameplay clip came out with the guy not being thumbless and he nailed a really clean slide cancel

[quick merlin]

indeed. but i meant cover as primary goal.

[fleet robin]

complete opposite for me, i hope they stick to modern and maybe go back to future like 2142

historical settings are boring and too restrictive

[glad trench]

How far back does modern go for you? Is Vietnam/late era of Cold War more modern or historical for you

Cuz a late sixties to mid 80s era BF would be fun

Or, depending on what their live service plans look like with this game. After the first 4 season, they start era hopping for seasons. Like a BC2 Vietnam dlc

[half halo]

And the Reddit Community is complaining more than ever

[half halo]

I disagree

[fleet robin]

late cold war could still be modern to some extent i suppose, but still not as interesting as modern day to me unless it's a narrative about what went on around that time

i.e. black ops cold war

[unkempt sand]

modern weapons tend to feel too samey to me. everything boils down to an AR, a shotgun or a sniper rifle. machine guns are just ARs with more bullets and worst accuracy. SMGs are just assault rifles with slightly worse accuracy. I would like to see them return to the 2142 setting though. Not having to use real weapons lets them do fun stuff and reduces people saying "this gun would kill you in one shot in real live so it should do that in the game"

[fleet robin]

can definitely agree with that, a futuristic setting gives them complete freedom for creativity and innovation

[glad trench]

2142, humans have evolved enough to slide-jump with 100lbs of gear on

[unkempt sand]

hell yeah give me exosuits

and bring back titan mode while they're at it

then again my opinions of BF2142 are based on where it was months to a year after launch after they had put a lot more work into it

[winter viper]

Really it looks like BFV movement/gunplay, Hardline style melee kills and BC destruction.
I really wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be BC3

[unkempt sand]

didn't get it a launch because it seemed too similar to BF2, actually ended up liking it more than BF2

[radiant heath]

for me, modern starts with the gulf war

[winter viper]

Gulf War/Operation "Just Cause"

[cobalt gate]

BC3 would be bliss, but they can't make the campaign like they did back then

Based on that it would be unfavorable to make it another bad company title

[winter viper]

Mmmm how so?

[fleet robin]

i'd hope they don't because bc2's was ass

[cobalt gate]

I thought it was pretty funny

[fleet robin]

rather they do something new, trying to call it bc3 will just be very obvious nostalgia bait

[glad trench]

My money is they just call it Battlefield

As a “reset” going forward for the franchise

[cobalt gate]

Make it a live service experience?

[cobalt gate]

Agreed

[winter viper]

As if "A love letter to fans" wasn't? Lol

[fleet robin]

portal was the most perfect example of obvious nostalgia bait lmao

[glad trench]

If this one launches well, and they don’t need to spend a year+ fixing it like 4/2042 etc. ya I can see them supporting it heavily for 3-4 years

[winter viper]

Problem is every time they do something "new", or try to reinvent the wheel, it ends up a mess...2042 case in point

[cobalt gate]

Impossible to replicate the kind of humor they had in the previous bc titles today

[unkempt sand]

portal was such a disappointment

[glad trench]

Why would they replicate humor from 15 years ago? Humor has evolved

[unkempt sand]

I'm the guy that wanted to play BF1942 again but it was just off enough to be offputting

[winter viper]

Right...sensitive people. Gotcha

[glad trench]

You can still have edgy, racey humor

[unkempt sand]

also possibly controversial opinion but I couldn't care less about campaigns in BF. stop trying to chase CoD. If I wanted to play a CoD campaign I'd play CoD

[glad trench]

Playing 1942 maps with modern rendering distances

[winter viper]

Military humor and civilian humor....BIG DIFFERENCE LOL

[unkempt sand]

lol yeah there's also the problem of trying to translate that to modern hardware

[cobalt gate]

Thanks for taking the words out of my mouth

[radiant heath]

honestly i think the biggest issue with trying to do another bad company is that the voice actors, the developers, the writers are all gone and moved on at this point. it isn't just that "errr people too sensitive for muh jokes" its that the people that made the entire experience what it is aren't going to be the ones making a new one

[winter viper]

Navy Vet 04-07, Submariner USS Jimmy Carter, and VP16 Squadron. @cobalt gate trust me I know lol

[cobalt gate]

Yeah, that's the real problem with the idea of BC3

[half halo]

The amount of leaks good lord.

At this point just release the game as a Early Access at this point lmfao

[glad trench]

BC2 didn’t “age bad” because they’re offensive. They aged bad because they’re a product of their time

[radiant heath]

it also didn't age bad people love that game lmao

[cobalt gate]

Currently in service but I feel we understand each other on the question of humor in that game

[winter viper]

Awesome, what branch?

[cobalt gate]

Israeli Air force

131st squadron

[glad trench]

For the people that played it it didn’t age bad. People that didn’t play it back in 2010, playing it now the jokes would fly over their heads

[radiant heath]

oh yeah lol

[cobalt gate]

BC2 is still fun today

[radiant heath]

humor's evolved to favor smarter jokes than that nowadays lol

[cobalt gate]

Played it recently

[glad trench]

Doubt they’d get offended, humor just evolves

[radiant heath]

but its still a great game

[glad trench]

Ofc, I love my memories of playing that game with my mates

Loved being a bushwookie with the VSS? The silenced semi auto can’t remember the name

[fleet robin]

this is exactly it. Nobody cares about some military humor lol the problem is that bc3 won't be a successor to bc2, it'll just be bf6 with the bad company name slapped onto it (and all the modern monetisation that comes with live service)

[radiant heath]

spot on

[fleet robin]

there's no reason to call it BC3 unless they're actually going to try and continue those games, which they obviously won't

[glad trench]

It’s only a bc2 successor if they take prone out of bf6

[cobalt gate]

Well bad company is also really really old

Fat chance they would continue with the name bad company

Only one's who'd be hyped are oldheads and veterans of the series

[radiant heath]

i just hope this new title is great. no way to tell until after its released, but i was pretty let down with 2042 after being stoked about it and i want this one to be as good as anything from the BF3 to BFV run

[fleet robin]

and the ones who are stupid enough to fall for it just like they fell for portal

[radiant heath]

as a halo forge veteran i was stoked for portal

big problem is they just didn't do anything with it lol

so much potential

[fleet robin]

yeah, if only it was used for anything more than just luring people back to the franchise

[cobalt gate]

I feel like the real hazard with the next title is trying to match the pace of CoD with gameplay, I feel battlefield played better with slower paced gameplay, for example see BF4 compared to 2042

[winter viper]

Here we go again

[cobalt gate]

That's my two cents on the topic anyway

[fleet robin]

battlefield players honestly have no fucking idea what they want

[radiant heath]

they should make it so if you have an accuracy and ads penalty if you're standing instead of crouchwalking!!!!

[winter viper]

Just FYI, running speed in BF4 is faster than 2042

[glad trench]

BF4 was extremely fast

[fleet robin]

2042 has basically the exact same move speeds as BF4, the only difference is the added jumping and sliding mechanics

[glad trench]

It was also sorta clunky with the shitty vaulting/mantling and getting stuck on random debris all the time

[fleet robin]

judging by how little the dive moves players forward, they're probably going to be cautious with movement mechanics

[cobalt gate]

Different maps and game modes obviously had differently paced gameplay, I really liked golmud railways if it helps my example

[glad trench]

Vehicle farm maps?

[winter viper]

This convinces me that most people played default FOV

[glad trench]

Fr

[cobalt gate]

Definitely not

[radiant heath]

although i will say, current call of duty has an average first engagement after spawning time at like, sub-five seconds. i think part of the "slower battlefield pace" is how much longer the average first engagement takes place after spawn

[winter viper]

I mean, fair play how you want, but playing at 50 FOV makes the game look/feel slower

Crank it to 120 and notice BF4 is MUCH faster paced than 2042

[cobalt gate]

More or so my point

[winter viper]

Even without the zouzou etc

[glad trench]

Nah dude, me and my squad play tactically by pieing every room

[winter viper]

Tactically lol

[glad trench]

The division 1 showcase… we play exactly like that

Call outs and everything

[radiant heath]

hey nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong than giving the players that wanna play aggressively like they have in other BF titles the ability to do so

better player's gonna win that engagement

[cobalt gate]

Any idea as to when the new game is launching?

[radiant heath]

autumn this year, which may change as the entire industry holds their breath for GTA6

[winter viper]

Probably late 2025 (Nov-Dec), if not then most likely first of 2026

[cobalt gate]

Valid guesses, hoping it's gonna not gonna be broken on launch

[fleet robin]

depends on gta's release most likely

[winter viper]

I love how the gaming industry is holding it's breath over a stupid game like GTA lol

[fleet robin]

a stupid game that's going to destroy anything that releases anywhere near it

[cobalt gate]

It's gonna be GTA in vice city, that's pretty huge

[fleet robin]

probably the most anticipated title in the last decade

[cobalt gate]

Very much so

[winter viper]

That's why it's so stupid. After San Andreas and Vice City I couldn't get into it anymore. Game was too much

[radiant heath]

tbf, the entire TV industry holds its breath for the super bowl, and the super bowl makes way less money than GTA lol

its a cultural force in entertainment with no parallel

[cobalt gate]

The American TV industry...

[winter viper]

Herd mentality more like

[radiant heath]

almost 9 billion dollars is hard to ignore lol

its the highest grossing media product of all time

[winter viper]

Super Bowl?

[radiant heath]

GTA5

[winter viper]

But why

[fleet robin]

because it was good

[radiant heath]

^^^

[fleet robin]

evidently

[cobalt gate]

People are still playing GTA 5 very regularly, hell even in my department we have a console with GTA on it

[winter viper]

Guess people really like flying around and beating up hookers

[fleet robin]

i mean if that's how you see the game then it's no wonder you don't understand lol

[winter viper]

Pretty much all you did in GTA1-2-San Andreas and Vice

[cobalt gate]

That's the winning formula evidently

[winter viper]

Well GTA 1 and 2 were more about stealing cars lol

[radiant heath]

yes, the 1997 GTA was less advanced than GTA5

lmao

[unkempt sand]

I agree, GTA peaked with San Andreas. Everything since has been tainted by Rockstars obsession with prioritizing realism and simulation over just being fun

[fleet robin]

the games released almost 20 years before gta 5 lmao

online has loads to do and is constantly updated, it's no wonder people still play it regularly with friends

i just wish they hadn't abandoned plans for story expansions

[radiant heath]

not to mention mods that take it even further

[unkempt sand]

Saint's Row 2-4 and Sleeping Dogs are better GTA-like follow ups than GTA IV onward imo

[cobalt gate]

Even the story is pretty huge in GTA 5

[winter viper]

And money

[fleet robin]

the story is very fun, i only bother with online when friends suggest it

[cobalt gate]

Isn't that all of them nowadays though?

[winter viper]

True

[cobalt gate]

That's what it's come to yeah

[radiant heath]

i didn't really like GTA online. single player was way more fun than dealing with griefers and mtx

[unkempt sand]

eh, Rockstar writing is garbage outside of RDR1

[radiant heath]

the takes in here are absolutely eye watering today

[unkempt sand]

they tried to make a Max Payne game and completely misread the character and gameplay

[winter viper]

Now RDR2...bro that was a game. Still 10/10

[cobalt gate]

Fr

[radiant heath]

also @cobalt gate you're totally right about the american tv industry thing. i was just illustrating the point with the analogy

[cobalt gate]

True

World cup would be incomparable

Off topic though Isn't it in America next year?

[radiant heath]

and the crazy thing is that GTA5 still makes twice as much money as the world cup lmao

its literally incomparable

[cobalt gate]

Oh word

Insane

[fleet robin]

yeah the gaming industry is gigantic

makes more than film and music combined iirc

[radiant heath]

Canada, US, and Mexico!! I think its so cool that its North America hosted rather than just US

[cobalt gate]

Ain't gonna cheap for anybody in the stands haha, they gotta book many flights

[winter viper]

Wild growing up watching the gaming industry blow up like it did. My Dad use to say "You'll never make money playing video games" pissed him showing him my first Twitch payout lol

[radiant heath]

as a musician i'm blaming this statistic on spotify's abysmal artist pay rather than the size of the gaming industry

[fleet robin]

real lmao

[cobalt gate]

The artistic field is struggling huh

[tall urchin]

That's also probably in part that actual musicians know their worth and record labels just want mass produced cheap slop.

[radiant heath]

its hard to justify spending money on art with basic necessities being so expensive. i don't blame anyone not able to buy albums or go to shows

[fleet robin]

unfortunately sounds very familiar in the gaming industry too

[tall urchin]

And AI is going to make shit even worse somehow, not like half the industry isn't already "sampling"

[winter viper]

Pretty much everything made from 2010 to present

[fleet robin]

feels like these types of art always end up like this, just soulless and made for quick cash

[tall urchin]

It's almost a reason to celebrate when an actual album comes out these days.

[cobalt gate]

Proper albums lol yes

[radiant heath]

its defs harder to find great music nowadays, but the jazz/funk/fusion scene is absolutely brimming with absurdly good players and albums

[cobalt gate]

If I remember correctly Megadeth and iron maiden released something in recent years

New stuff too

[winter viper]

That and it seems these "artist" thr big ones at least push this easy crap out with a couple of cords and the same lyrics 30 times in the song.

[radiant heath]

LMAO remember when every song had a line that ended with "....toniiiight" in it

pain

[winter viper]

BlackEye Peas

[cobalt gate]

I don't like peas...

[winter viper]

Tonight going to be a good night repeat 10x

[noble jetty]

I be on my hands and knees every morning praying for an email to playtest

[winter viper]

It's funny, read the lyrics to idk any pop song recently, then read the lyrics to 46&2 by Tool and tell me who's more creative lol

[tall urchin]

3rd grade reading level lyrics, repeat chorus 20x, lucky if there's a second verse, bridges optional, actual instruments not required

[radiant heath]

y'all think next round of playtest emails will go out on Monday? Or think they'll wait another week or two to make tweaks first

[glad trench]

As an Avalanches/Pretty Lights fan, stop talking shit about sampling lmao

[radiant heath]

okay both those artists are lit lmao

color map of the sun is such a great record

[tall urchin]

Judas Priest also put out a killer album

[cobalt gate]

Judas priest is always a banger

[glad trench]

Pretty Lights at Bonnaroo last year was so fucking good

[radiant heath]

oh rad our bass player was there for that!

i heard it was sick

[glad trench]

Sunrise set was surreal. Total wook fest tho

[tall urchin]

Sampling itself can be OK, especially transformative use. I put quotes on sampling because these days people don't even bother changing anything and half the time they even use the original recordings lol.

[winter viper]

Man, last concert I went to was Shinedown/Saliva back in 05. Before that was Woodstock 99

[glad trench]

100% was just poking fun at it

[radiant heath]

i try to go to one every six weeks or so

i saw hans zimmer this year, that was incredible

[cobalt gate]

Isn't Hans Zimmer like orchestra???

[radiant heath]

yeah! he had a MASSIVE band and plays the movie soundtracks he writes as huge rock pieces

[cobalt gate]

I guess that too is a concert

Yeaaah

He's the one responsible for dollars trilogy if I remember right

Also goated franchisw

[tall urchin]

I don't who this one guy is but it plays on the radio at work and they just use the masters for Bon Jovi from the 80s but he tries to act like he's collaborating with him during the song as if Jon is there in studio with him

[radiant heath]

that's ennio morricone that did dollars

also one of the greatest composers of all time

[cobalt gate]

My bad

Two goats got mixed up

[radiant heath]

heck yeah

[cobalt gate]

Can't remember something of hans Zimmer off the top of my head...

Star wars perhaps?

[radiant heath]

lion king, dark night, inception, interstellar, cod mw2 (lol), pirates of the caribbean, dune

star wars was john williams

[cobalt gate]

Pardon for my trivia knowledge haha

[radiant heath]

nothing to be sorry for hahaha

you know the goats even if not the names

[cobalt gate]

You heard the new Tekken ost?

There was crazy good music there

[radiant heath]

no i haven't! is that game good

[tall urchin]

Tekken OSTs have always been surprisingly good

[fleet robin]

mw2 being in the middle of all that is so insane

still can't believe it

[tall urchin]

Shout out to Tekken 3

[fleet robin]

no wonder it sounded so good

[radiant heath]

my last tekken was tekken 2, way back when

[cobalt gate]

Yes, it is, if u like fighters right up ur alley

Tekken 2 really is way back when

So is 3

I started from 6

[tall urchin]

I too am from way back when

[cobalt gate]

6 and tag 2

[radiant heath]

millenials unite

[cobalt gate]

Figures...

[radiant heath]

hahaha

[cobalt gate]

Turning 20 this year... Unc status approaching rapidly

[tall urchin]

God you're almost half my age lol

[fleet robin]

plenty of actual uncs in here

[tall urchin]

Beyond unc now, actual grandpa gamer

[fleet robin]

fossil gamer

[tall urchin]

Oh god don't say that, US will lay me to waste for the fuel

[radiant heath]

lmao

[cobalt gate]

Being 40 yo on discord is crazy

No judgement

[radiant heath]

gotta remember that the 30s and 40s people have been using the things that inspired discord our whole lives

this is just the current one

[cobalt gate]

Brother I too used Skype and teamspeak

[radiant heath]

irc chans and aol and msn and all that

[fleet robin]

oh god msn

[radiant heath]

LMAO

[cobalt gate]

See now that's behind me

[radiant heath]

this guy knows

[tall urchin]

Yeah I was gonna say forums and IRC lol

[cobalt gate]

Ancient internet...

[tall urchin]

Can still feel the tinnitus from dial up

Having to do LAN parties because online gaming meant 5s delay

[radiant heath]

halo LAN was some of the best gaming memories i have

[cobalt gate]

I assume DOOM and quake multiplayer?

[radiant heath]

counter strike too

[cobalt gate]

Truly symbols of the times

[tall urchin]

Doom, Quake, Serious Sam, Unreal Tournament was huge for us, Starcraft as well

[cobalt gate]

Doom 1 and 2 still hold up today

Multiplayer too is crazy good fun

[tall urchin]

The only game where wall humping is a strat

[cobalt gate]

Yep

On a different note

[tall urchin]

Oh fuck I also forgot, Descent 2 was mad shit on LAN

[cobalt gate]

Came down with a fever this morning... Doctor's appointment on Sunday, gotta stay sick so I can get some sick leave off this damn base, any tips? For staying sick and high fever

[half halo]

Now that leaks are pretty much released daily and people, since this week, are now digging in the game files, do you believe that BF Labs remains a good idea?

[tall urchin]

Staying sick is not a strat in my repertoire

[cobalt gate]

Only thing that can get me off this stinking base

[half halo]

It's in mine. Basically, you take a bit of treatment for the symptoms, but not for the cause eheh

[cobalt gate]

Gonna sleep with the window open again

[glad trench]

Yes

Every MP game these days should be regularly playtested by more than the devs and Q/A team

[tall urchin]

So... liquor?

[half halo]

Well, looking forward to see how the Devs balance out the game when it's now a war on social medias about basic features.

Given we now know 95% of the game's features, they should just release the game lmao

[half halo]

Maybe?

[unkempt sand]

I mean, depends on what exactly is being datamined. if it's actual files, or references to files. could be cruft that hasn't been removed from the build for all we know

[glad trench]

BFV and 2042 had a ton of datamined stuff that never made it into the game

[half halo]

True

Or very late

[glad trench]

Y’all got me in the gym now blasting the avalanches wishing I was some where in the Mediterranean

Thanks

[tall urchin]

Max gains

[glad trench]

Gotta get the Ibiza bod

[vocal axle]

I just want to see some US Army skins (and robust customization for all of NATO obviously). The loading screen art has really accurate US Army soldiers. But haven’t seen anything in game yet.

[restive sonnet]

Any idea how many people have been selected for playtests so far?

[glad trench]

N+1

[tall urchin]

Somewhere between 1 and 6 billion

[nimble bridge]

I liked bullet sponges

Assures I wont be beamed from 120 meters in 0.2 seconds

[nimble bridge]

Real problem is Bad Company name isn't know that much

[nimble bridge]

2042 is slower 😂

[fleet robin]

a few thousand

[vocal axle]

Bad Company 3 doesn’t make sense with the factions though. I mean NATO vs just US Army alone.

[safe moat]

Yes. I actually do. It creates positive opinions from outside and the devs can still gather feedback of playtesters

[tough zinc]

new concept art looks insane

[manic gate]

Was BF4 CTE a good idea?

you'll have your answer there