battlefield-labs-discussion

[pallid coral]

with this whole "new game every 2 years" they spend 1 year fixing the game, 1 year updating and then fuck it new game

if they spend more time in development time wise, the game WILL be better

[mossy marten]

unique 🚫 🟰 good map lol

[pallid coral]

if your game is purely designed to die in 2 years then thats just fucked

[glad trench]

it's fun

[young jetty]

If they make a polished and smooth product with a bunch of content at launch then yes

[glad trench]

along with Siene Crossing, Grand Bazzar, Tehran Highway (rush)

[pallid coral]

yeah but what i mean is that i hope dice doesn't release a new bf game too soon

i hope bf7 is far far away and bf6 is made to last

[ruby hazel]

Just no fuckin micro-Trans, bring DLC's back for fucks sake

[pallid coral]

look at games like rust and dayz, albeit different genre but they've existed for 10+ years and peaking playercounts still

its not impossible to make a game to last more than 1 year lol

[mossy marten]

premium and DLCs are forever gone, might as well get used to that

[glad trench]

ewwww no, I like my post launch maps to actually see play

[pallid coral]

i dont want dlcs anymore either lmao

[young jetty]

Like GTA online or R6S? No way

[pallid coral]

i dont mean it should last 10 years lol

[glad trench]

I played 2042 for free beyond buying it initially

[pallid coral]

but games nowadays last like 1 year max before having majority of its playerbase lost

bf games aren't designed with the scope of more than 2 years. they're literally use and throw games

[ruby hazel]

Just release a finished game with all maps, guns, and vehicles, and we can pay/earn for skins for vehicles and weapons as it always has been, just no COD shit

[pallid coral]

the fact that 2042 continued development for over 3 years baffles me and tells me dice knows how to keep a game alive and updated, but i bet you its just the design decision from the board to make more money

[manic gate]

I mean it's also the fact that their leads had prior experience at making.. cod vanguard..

and.. candy crush

[glad trench]

it's 100% due to shareholder pressure. Chunky $70 entry fees for 1 mil+ people hits harder than an mtx store used by a few within a dying player count

[mint cobalt]

the problem is BF6 can’t afford to fail, because if it fails, that’s it,” there is no next Battlefield, the community can’t just tell DICE to give up and move on to the next one, because they already tried, and we ended up with BF2042

[glad trench]

stop with the hyperbolic stuff, BF license is too valuable. At worst it'd go into hibernation for a few years

[mossy marten]

was it vanguard? thought it was warzone

[ruby hazel]

EA has to do it right, because if there numbers aren't up after it's released, no more EA

[manic gate]

modern cod basically is warzone with singleplayer and a few 6v6 maps tacked on that they charge $70 for anyways

[glad trench]

even after the failure of 2042 interest in BF is still high as hell when you look at the BFLabs sign up and videos coming out about BF6

[ruby hazel]

@mossy marten it was WW2

[nimble bridge]

But youtubers told me so it must be true

[oak condor]

most of that was recycled content + scraps from the art team

[mossy marten]

i meant the dude who moved from CoD, thought he was mainly a warzone dev/lead

[manic gate]

oh no I'm not talking about bryon breede

I'm talking about the former lead for 2042

[ruby hazel]

YouTubers are horrible, I'm not gonna believe some rich punk that plays games 24/7 over an article by EA or what I can find

[manic gate]

he lead monetisation in cod vanguard and candy crush, he was put in charge for the whole game

[glad trench]

people really think one of the most valuable IPs in the FPS space will just go poof after a bad game or two lmao

[young jetty]

No because he’s right this battlefield can not afford another failure, DICE has already lost the trust of its community. If this game flops it’s gonna be another MOH.

[manic gate]

I mean yeah corpo pressure played a role but it absolutely isn't the sole reason nor is it the major one.

[nimble bridge]

Yeah lol, like Halo is still alive

[mint cobalt]

Or BioWare

[nimble bridge]

''Alive'' but still

[glad trench]

"failure", 2042 is still clearly making money or else they wouldn't be releasing new events and cosmetics for it

[ruby hazel]

I agree with zeethos, I mean look at need for speed, that's in hibernation due to Unbound, they'll do it to BF too

[manic gate]

and he's working on the supposed BR anyways, not really involved in the main mp from what I've seen

[pallid coral]

not really, a lot of it was well developed and yeah battlepasses were small but u cant say it was mostly scraps and recycled content..

[young jetty]

There is no way you’re this naive

[glad trench]

and I guarantee when the announce the next one people will eat it up despite the problems the series has had for a decade

[mossy marten]

ah

[glad trench]

Ya bud, facts are facts

[nimble bridge]

They could've stopped updating 2042 past season 4 if it was such a failure. They were contractually obliged to do 4 seasons. Not 7 seasons + mini season events.

[glad trench]

they're not going to waste resources paying an art/live service team to push new content for a game

[oak condor]

they were going to originally, season 4 was a dump of leftover ideas and that's where we got shit like the spring grenades

[glad trench]

I personally think they're doing it for testing/training reasons as well

[oak condor]

very noticeably half assed to the stuff that came before it

[manic gate]

you gave me ptsd by saying those 2 words

I swear if they are back in bf6....

[mossy marten]

i mean, there's worse stuff already in the game (imho)

[glad trench]

I forgot spring grenades were in the game until I was checking out how many kills I had with each grenade

[oak condor]

anyway i popped in here because i so badly want to see brains melt when all the people asking for "bf4 movement" back die to a guy air strafing a corner

[nimble bridge]

Yeah lol

[glad trench]

literally never see them

and never remember them being an issue

[nimble bridge]

We need air strafing + controllable slide + slidejump chaining 😂

[manic gate]

people who want "cqc! cqc!! dense maps!" are not going to like it when they get spammed like hell there

[young jetty]

Only because the game saw a good amount of players after the game got fixed otherwise EA would’ve cut support

[deep mica]

we need the signal app so we can leak our teammates position on randoms

[mossy marten]

i would say what there is from leaks, but i'd rather not get timed

[glad trench]

vault off a medic bag into a controllable slide, cancel it into an airstrafe, while dolphin diving onto my back

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-wait-wait-gif-7943393321508111309

[glad trench]

2042 has redacted, a mega meat grinder, never see it in there

[nimble bridge]

👆

[glad trench]

or urban maps like Haven

[manic gate]

I heard one almost every 20sec on there

[nimble bridge]

I only play 2042 because of infantry only modes already, can't bother with vehicle farmers 😂

[young jetty]

CQC Dense maps> Panzerstorm like maps

[manic gate]

you can get so many multis by spamming them on chokepoints

[nimble bridge]

CQC is very sweaty though, every sweat is playing on CQC playlist

[glad trench]

opposed to any other explosive I can do that with?

[nimble bridge]

Infantry BT or Frontlines or even Domination are more chill

[glad trench]

I farm more chokepoints with Zain and SPH launcher pre nerf than anything

[oak condor]

i brought the spring grenades up because they're just silly, like all the other silly stuff that got dumped in s4

[young jetty]

Operation Metro is the greatest map of all time and it’s CQC

[glad trench]

I'll take spring grenades over the long list of more cancerous explosive spam in this game's history

[mint cobalt]

Once again this is speculation on my part, if DICE and Battlefield go under, we won’t be seeing anymore Battlefield, for a long time, and the next time we will see a game like Battlefield, will be from an indie dev, and will not know how long that will happen

[manic gate]

name an explosive that can bounce twice, allowing you to reach far into an area from standing perpendicular to it

[oak condor]

begging battlefield players to try games other than battlefield, metro is so mid in the grand scheme of infantry FPS maps

[glad trench]

BF3 had an entire map pack of better CQC maps

[young jetty]

😭

[glad trench]

jesus what's that grenade launcher called

[manic gate]

I run by and hear a nade and assume I'll be fine, but nope it bounces to me and before I can react I'm dead. Every single time

[glad trench]

or BF4 ucav from across the map

[nimble bridge]

Season 4 introduced Cav Brawler, SPH grenade launcher, RM68(pre spread), Super 500(pre shotty nerf) and RPT31 appearently

[oak condor]

even bf1 had surprise bangers like prise de tahure

[young jetty]

So you want to be running on an open field for 20 minutes?

[glad trench]

nah there's an underbarrel launcher that you can bounce a grenade around corners with

LVG? or something

[nimble bridge]

I'm talking about 2042's playlist, every sweat plays on it

[oak condor]

yes, the people who come to the game for the FPS gameplay pick the mode with the highest fight density

[glad trench]

Yeee I remember that season launch. Zain with the rm68, sph and super 500 all pre nerf was so fucking stupid

[mint cobalt]

Yeah but it had the Turning Tide expansion, which is what I believe is the reason naval combat never came back

[glad trench]

back when zain had 5 + 5 on his airburst

hella fun though

wait no, that season was blasco

[nimble bridge]

I dunno man, it's easier to farm players on Domination, Rush XL, Frontlines, infantry BT etc.

[glad trench]

zain still had his 5 + 5 though

[mint cobalt]

What is funny, the only map that players like from the turning tide expansion, is a map that has nothing to do with naval combat

[glad trench]

You expect this playerbase to want anything other than the same 3-5 maps from BF4?

[oak condor]

no but i can dream 😭

i think the franchise is hosed but i have a hard time giving up

[nimble bridge]

Yet people still want naval combat in next BF 🤣

This fanbase is clueless

BF4's naval maps weren't fan favorites either

[glad trench]

the subreddit talks about Paracel Storm as if it was a picasso painting

and the naval storm dlc

Pearl Market is the only one I'd like to see a remake of

[mossy marten]

you do have to remember
if you have an opinion even slightly off from theirs, they will act like pirahnas smelling blood

[glad trench]

I currently have a backlog of 40 notifications from a few comments I made on r/battlefield yesterday

in the unpopular opinion: sliding doesn't belong in BF thread

[nimble bridge]

Issue is that BF literally doesn't support sea combat besides vehicles, you can't even shoot your primary while you are in water

[glad trench]

Give us a 5th class... Scuba

you can fire while swimming and your class gadget is a repurposed grappling hook/harpoon gun

[oak condor]

i want to see a bf without a medic class just to watch defib mains flounder under the weight of having to actually play the game

[nimble bridge]

I want to see a bf without recon first

[glad trench]

Give assault the respawn beacon

since they're supposed to be the frontlines/flank class

[mint cobalt]

Btw Paracel Storm is another BF4 map that has a terrible levolution

Let’s place the trigger of that levolution on a broken turbine that is so far away from the conflict

[glad trench]

all the leveolution was bad and made the maps worse off

and the maps were already bad

[mint cobalt]

Actually the only two levolution that got it right was Hainan Resort, and Operation Locker

[half halo]

Give the respawn bacon to squad leaders

[ebon beacon]

I'm glad that BF Discord is different than the BF subreddit plus much more based too

[mossy marten]

make it squad points only

[half halo]

[mossy marten]

[mossy marten]

[mint cobalt]

Well at least for me, the difference between me and those subreddit FREAKS… is that when people don’t see my point of view, I don’t throw a tantrum, I at least listen because that is the point of having an opinion (-v-

[pallid coral]

choose between shit and dogshit

[young jetty]

Naval combat should return in BF6, BF1’s naval combat was amazing, it should include destroyers, frigates, submarines, Cruisers, Amphibious Assault Ships.

[half halo]

Based

[young jetty]

And it would make each match feel more gritty and immersive and just real, All out warfare.

[glad trench]

ya but being shit is based, being dogshit is cringe

[dry grotto]

Could we see presets return?

I dont remember theres a preset system in 2042, I hope it would be in the new bf

[manic gate]

BF main sub is so damn miserable.

"we need movement from bf3/4 again!!"

Have you.. have you acrually played those games since they came out

[manic gate]

rare occurrence of BF sub being based(they're shitting on such opinions)

[safe moat]

Reddit communities usually are unbearable

[grand cloak]

Does pre alpha has ucav

[manic gate]

wtf it got removed

Did the mods legit think it was a BF labs leak

if they actually saw a few sec of the video and not just the title, it clearly wasn't and was a joke

[topaz cave]

i change my mind, sliding is ok ig

bf1 sliding

[feral garden]

Slide is fine, as long as its not spamable, the distance travelled isnt too far, and its only triggerable at max sprint velocity (and it takes time to get to that max velocity)

[thin pulsar]

Amazing

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much

[thin pulsar]

Mf that descriptions sounds like BF1 and you disagreed with me

[feral garden]

BF1 slide wasnt like that

You could spam the shit out of it, until it was nerfed when the game as basically on its last legs

[ebon beacon]

BFV slide distance is what he's describing and there are different version of the BF1 Slide, Launch version to Version 3 is fine while the final version isn't

[ebon beacon]

Yeah multiple times and honestly I think they nailed the Turning Tides version (V3) of the slide

[feral garden]

People do love to revise how slide in BF1 was tho. Most forget that for the first 12-15 months, there was slide spam shotgun/automatico meta

[ebon beacon]

Yep, I remember that

[knotty iron]

is it really revising if the game is coming up 9 years now

its been longer with the better sliding than it had been without* it, by several times

[mint cobalt]

I mean the last thing we want is wave dash becoming a thing in Battlefield (0v0;

[thin pulsar]

I seriously doubt they would make any changes to sliding anyway

[feral garden]

The leak that has people up in arms is sped up anyway. One of many reasons why these low quality leaks are bad for the game

[manic gate]

and yet people still say they're staged from DICE

[mint cobalt]

Well base off of so many past games, you create a tool for the player base to use, and that player base ends up using it in a way the developers never intended or expected for example: BF3 MAV (<v<;

[sudden lodge]

What was MAV ? I haven’t played BF3 so would you or anyone in enlighten me ?

[tepid plinth]

Drone

[feral garden]

The casper drone from 2042

[sudden lodge]

Thanks

[silk jackal]

not quite though MAV is much bigger but they're both drones ye

u used to be able to stand on MAVs

then DICE removed the fun of that

[feral garden]

Yeah, cos it broke multiple levels design and flow. It was a good change all in all

[silk jackal]

and then they removed the hovercraft climbing walls fun as well

[versed token]

You used to be able to stand on Caspers drone too

[silk jackal]

there's a lot fun "legacy" features they removed

[mossy marten]

Y'all remember when they showed c4 launching in portal trailer and it's not possible whatsoever? Pepperidge Farms remembers

[nimble bridge]

Appearently it's still possible with 1942 TNT

[half halo]

Back to basics, literally

[mint cobalt]

And don’t get me started on the MAV’s War Crime by committing a Roadkill Massacre in the Operation Metro incident

I’m not joking btw, that’s how ridiculous the MAV was in BF3

[digital iris]

Good times. A precursor to modern IRL drone attacks.
The MAV is pretty big and seems to have a decent bit of kit on it, and it can move very fast. I'm sure it'd at least knock you out.

I miss standing on MAVs

[half halo]

Metro was a mess overall in BF3. May it be the mav, the exploit of using USAS-12 frags through walls, the rock glitch, and much more.

[radiant heath]

This was literally the most fun thing 2042 had to offer

I get why they patched it, but when they did, it started the decline in my interest that led to an uninstall

Not because they took something busted away, but because there weren't really other fun creative battlefield things to do in its place

[glad trench]

Idk half the YouTube shorts of it that pop up for me are some creative ass BF moments

[glad trench]

They do, they’re just so god awful at the game they play super “tactical” to make up for the reflexes of a some roadkill

While ignoring the 40 people in op locker zouzouing and air strafing

[glad trench]

I’d say yes. What the product was during the portion of the game’s peak player base and ongoing live support is important to reference.

Just like it’s important to remember how garbage BF4 was for a solid 12 months

And important to understand the many eras of BF V TTK

[sudden sigil]

tbf im not a fan of jump shotting and sliding all over the place mechanics i keep seeing in fps, especially in 2042.

also hot take but metro and locker are overrated maps

[mossy marten]

jump shotting existing since BF3:

[sudden sigil]

i started with bf4 and didnt really see much of that, granted i started on xbox 360 and then moved to xbox one

[tall urchin]

The reason you keep seeing them in FPS is because those are pillars of good gameplay mechanics in FPS which are loved by veterans of the genre

[mossy marten]

let's specifically mention arcade FPS because realism/milsim people will throw a fit

[sudden sigil]

im not sure if this is sarcasm because it seems like a LOT of people dislike it as well

[tall urchin]

Since as far back as OG Quake FPS players have been bhopping, air strafing, jump shotting, and dolphin diving.

[fleet robin]

a lot of people are honestly bad at the game and only complain because people are using the movement while they are't

battlefield has always had some form of movement for years

[tall urchin]

True, and nothing wrong with a bit of milsim either but its also fair to understand the game's history and audience predominantly being arcadey too.

[mossy marten]

agreed

[sudden sigil]

sometimes it's whatever to me and sometimes it's a little irritating to deal with because it'll happen randomly in a gunfight

2042 felt like I was playing apex legends 2.0 because the movement felt very similar, obv without most of the movement tech being present in 2042

just felt too fast

[tall urchin]

2042 movement is nothing like Apex, like actually nothing lol

[sudden sigil]

the grappling hook, b-hopping acceleration, the sliding into jumps?

[mossy marten]

still nothing like Apex at all

[sudden sigil]

?

you can do that in apex tho

[tall urchin]

Bhopping in 2042 has massive decays in momentum, and hopping is linear with zero air strafing or directional change

[sudden sigil]

that's true

[tall urchin]

You also don't have super gliding, aforementioned air strafing, wall bouncing, momentum shifting, tap strafing, and character specific passive like Horizon or Rev

[sudden sigil]

I did say it's missing most of apex movement tech

[tall urchin]

Which means that its nothing alike

They share a slide jump.

[sudden sigil]

the game doesnt play as slow as others, i went back to bf5 which has the best gameplay mechanics (overall) in all of the battlefields and found that pacing to be perfect

[tall urchin]

BFV has good mechanics?

[sudden sigil]

yes

overall

obv it had ttk problems

[tall urchin]

I don't think I can think of a single positive aspect about BFV outside of its slide

[sudden sigil]

but i liked the ability to crouch run, scale big walls, lean while moving, supress and spot people by shooting, and even having persistent markers when you needed repairs, ammo, etc

[silk jackal]

it had dedicated servers

[tall urchin]

That's more a feature/infrastructure than mechanic, but yes

[silk jackal]

the climbing is pretty good... the vaulting is not...

there's a lot of inconsistencies in that game though

[sudden sigil]

something as simple as taking away the ability to pie a room harmed 2042 gameplay

with that being said, the game still has cool explosions and nice sound effects along with the visuals

[mossy marten]

"pie a room"
....... BF isn't a realistic tac shooter

[silk jackal]

well that's a useful tactic in any FPS

[sudden sigil]

ty

[silk jackal]

it prevents u from rushing into certain death

[sudden sigil]

esp with the scaled down destruction, it's very easy to die to a rat whos gonna see your whole body by the time you entered even slightly through the door

[silk jackal]

usually my tactic for Pieing a room is equipping an LMG and spraying from left to right xD

[tall urchin]

OK, but if you keep slowing the movement down and taking away movement mechanics then you give that rat more power to hold a defensive position because there's no way to challenge a proactive player.

[sudden sigil]

fair point

[silk jackal]

my tip is to just use a shotgun and wait in a corner for some sucker to run by xD

[tall urchin]

That's why movement exists, you play angles and make choices on whether it's best to jiggle peek, short peek, or wide swing.

[tall urchin]

Sounds like an extremely boring way to play

[silk jackal]

I do that to make people like u mad 😛

there's always angry people in the chat

its great feedback xD

[sudden sigil]

playing metro over and over where it's just a power struggle is also boring way to play, but to each their own.

[silk jackal]

that map is overplayed and overrated

[tall urchin]

It doesn't make me mad, I just wonder how anyone looks at an interactive medium like video games literally designed to make off time enjoyable and proceed to want to interact with it as little as possible.

[silk jackal]

but its great for explosives when I have to play metro

[tall urchin]

It's like buying a guitar just to look at it and never play it.

[silk jackal]

I just use the easy weapons that's all xD

or the silenced ones

[sudden sigil]

no it's not because even if it's something you dont like, they're still engaging in it

[tall urchin]

If you just rat in a corner and shoot something once or twice in a ten minute span, I'd argue that isn't at all.

Just passively partaking

[sudden sigil]

would you say the same for the multiple snipers on your team who tend to go 5-20 missing all their shots while not playing the obj?

[tall urchin]

Yup

[mossy marten]

yes

[sudden sigil]

ngl id rather take the shotgun rat holding down an obj than a sniper shooting far away from the obj

[tall urchin]

They're effectively the same thing

[sudden sigil]

no it's not, in gamemodes like conquest, rush, breakthrough, just being in the zone is detrimental to the enemy team

[silk jackal]

usually I just defend flags with an auto shotgun xD

[tall urchin]

That's not at all true, presence only matters in overwhelming numbers without any applicable skill level

[silk jackal]

BF isnt a skill based shooter anyway.... its a casual shooter

[sudden sigil]

real shit

dunno when and how it became a "comp shooter"

[silk jackal]

there's no need to get sweaty and all tryhard

those are the most toxic players in chat xD

[tall urchin]

Multi-player is inherently competitive

[silk jackal]

ye but not all games are up to E-Sports standards

def not BF

[tall urchin]

That's not what I'm saying.

[sudden sigil]

do you think bf should have a ranked mode?

[tall urchin]

I don't see why the inclusion of a ranked mode would hurt, but it would require a tailored experience all its own and I don't think they have much experience designing such aspects.

[devout gazelle]

bf1 had one. Some sort of 5v5. There were even tanks there. One for each team. Never played it though. So my knowledge about it, is questionable at best. However, sucess was kinda lacking I think.

[silk jackal]

5v5 on BF, really doesnt sound like BF that much

[sudden sigil]

if 2042 had that, you might as well call it cod atp

or the finals

[tall urchin]

How else would you design a competitive mode?

[sudden sigil]

the argument isnt about designing a comp mode, it's that some games arent designed for a comp mode at all without taking away certain core gameplay mechanics rather than mere limitations

[tall urchin]

So you're saying that a comp mode that takes away attributes that inherently remove skill from the equation and focus on aspects that allow it to be an actual competitive mode is bad because the core experience is different?

[sudden sigil]

bf doesnt need and cannot sustain a comp mode is what im saying

no need for insults, i didnt do it to you at all in this convo

[nimble bridge]

TTK, no 3D spotting, movement even without sliding, damage falloff(also a part of TTK)

[tall urchin]

I never got to play the TTK changes, as they happened long after I stopped playing.

I'm sure they would have been enjoyable

[honest cliff]

The current TTK? Yeah its pretty good

[nimble bridge]

I mean current TTK

It's like 100ms slower than 2042

Which is better imo

[tall urchin]

Yeah that's what I mean, I haven't played BFV basically since release

[granite mesa]

It’s pretty good still you should play it

[nimble bridge]

Looks like BF6 will keep BFV damage falloff too by the looks of it, TTK looks decent

No more shooting at ants from 70 meters

[tall urchin]

I still don't care for the maps, the weapons, and the attrition system however so I don't think I'll ever reinstall it.

[nimble bridge]

Play for underground

[granite mesa]

Attrition was nerfed hard

[nimble bridge]

Attrition is still an issue imo, no reason to use anything other than medic in V

[tall urchin]

Honestly I never cared for metro/underground, way too many hard chokes made for poor flow.

[honest cliff]

Honestly thats fine, I think 6 should increase recoil bcs 90% of 2042 guns have next to no recoil so they're all varying degrees of laser beams

Need we forget the RM68 being able to easily kill people from 100+m away with zero trouble when it released

[tall urchin]

Recoil with predictable patterns, spread reset that allows for bursting for range, and good damage falloff sounds like my ideal gunplay.

[honest cliff]

Yeah that seems reasonable, BF5 did it right with no spread but 2042 has some of the most midless feeling gunplay of any game ive ever played

[tall urchin]

Yeah, spread to recoil with decoupling aim from screen centre just sucked.

[honest cliff]

I have no idea how that works truthfully

[tall urchin]

It doesn't in essence lol, just random out to range

Sometimes it recoil left, sometimes right.

[mossy marten]

Essentially, there's the vertical pattern like normal guns, but then your spread equals the extreme horizontal randomness making it impossible to control the horizontal. A decoupled reticle from screen center is just that (basically if you put a dot in the center of your screen, be it sharpied or monitor crosshair, and you shoot, the reticle in games is disconnected from the static center dot that you put)

@honest cliff

Other BFs have it where bullets shoot from the center of your screen, no matter the reticle decoupling (or in BF4s case, not)

• BF1, BF3, and 2042 have center shooting bullets, but sight is decoupled from screen center because of visual recoil (BF1s case being absolutely godawful)
• BF4/Hardline has the sight glued to screen center with bullets shooting from screen center. The only time the sight decouples from center is from flinch and jump-aiming (with the jumping decoupling being able to be negated by certain order of keypresses)

Edit: spread obviously exists in these mentioned games, but they don't affect the point of where the bullets shoot from

[deep mica]

new discord is so much better

hooolyyyy

[ruby merlin]

How so?

[deep mica]

looks better

darker

[tepid plinth]

wish I could make the server icons larger

[deep mica]

clearer

ya only complaiont

[tepid plinth]

took me by surprise literal minutes ago, jumpscared me

[deep mica]

so cool looking

[fleet robin]

ye that's my biggest problem

way too small

even with the spacious option

[deep mica]

they will fix it

im sure

[fleet robin]

that and the lines everywhere

needless lines

[deep mica]

easy change

[tepid plinth]

we need the ability to drag out the server list so it has multiple columns

[fleet robin]

yeah easy but how big of a priority will it be

discord sucks balls with making good changes

[fleet robin]

yeah idk why they let us resize the channel list but not server list

[sturdy ivy]

just saw a video of this guy shooting a telephone pole and the fact that only the 50 cal went through should be added to the game

[manic gate]

I like it. Hope they satisfy everyone and make that adjustible in size like the rest of the UI

[fleet robin]

i'm not a fan of how the bottom left status box now covers both channel and server list

[safe moat]

It feels a bit weird but yea, overall I kinda like it

[serene ivy]

literally takes a couple seconds instead of braindead running into a room

[glad trench]

A couple of seconds in BF is an eternity and someone has probably shot you in the back

[tall urchin]

A couple seconds on someone holding an angle and will shoot you while you try to do process of elimination at the rate of a geriatric

Or you can slice the pie on the entrance and wide swing to break point of aim and pre-aim another angle while moving into the room

[covert nest]

Or simply throw incendiary grenade into their corner.

[covert nest]

Really with the random angles people take you need to play fast.

[glad trench]

Also in BF I feel like 80+% of the time I know what angle is being held and there’s zero reason to pie

[tall urchin]

Yeah almost every player just hugs the wall so its best to just break their aim and hit them while moving

[glad trench]

And if I’m unsure… good old Zain airburst to check

Or in BFV incen or smoke it, a million better things to do than pie a room

[tall urchin]

With how many rat spots and verticality BF games have you never can fully process every single potential angle.

[covert nest]

I literally wanted to main zain because of his airburst.

While i think it could be less powerful, the fact that the game encourages such a negative gameplay style it sure helps remind people to get off the fucking roof.

[glad trench]

His airburst and health regen on kill

[tall urchin]

Nah Zain is the most busted specialist

[covert nest]

Yeah. That's good.

His health on kill is really important.

In reality it just removes the healing delay and so you heal like normal after a kill

I think that enforces positive gameplay.

[glad trench]

How many times I’ve been at like 10 health with no med pen. Plink some random recon with the airburst

[covert nest]

Cause it means you take risks.

[glad trench]

And I’m back in the game

[covert nest]

Oh for me it's just recovering from shooting some random person that shouldn't be in a specific area.

It helps being topped off after a kill too

Airburst should kill in 4 hits thougj

[glad trench]

I think 3 is good, just enough to punish the rats but with its rof easy enough to get away from

I rarely get killed by it, I just run away as soon as I hear the first pop

Wasn’t it 2 when he first came out

Along with it have a mag in reserve lmao

[tall urchin]

Nah the airburst is way too effective

Especially since most cases in engagements you won't be full and by the time you react to the first burst you're either dead or forced to move into a position to get shot

[glad trench]

I mainly play BT, most the time an Irish is there to prevent me from popping off too hard with it

[tall urchin]

APS existing doesn't negate the absurdity of airburst though.

[glad trench]

In a vacuum I agree

With common counters like the aps I don’t see it being egregious

[covert nest]

To be honest the issue with the airburst is its blast.

If it wasn't for its giant blast, damage, fire rate or even range it wouldn't be as bad to deal with in the receiving end.

[feral garden]

The PMC from MGS4 lookin kinda familiar haha (This is a screenshot from Metal Gear 4, please do not mute me again mods)

[mossy marten]

did you get muted for posting a screenshot of a different game entirely?

[feral garden]

Na, but I posted another MGS4 PMC image and it got moderated, so not taking any chances. Haha

[mossy marten]

[covert nest]

So stupid dude

[radiant heath]

Lmaoo that's hilarious

[feral garden]

I mean, I get it

[half halo]

No way lmao

[glad trench]

I really want DICE to run an experiment, release a 1:1 remaster of BF4 but put a WW 1 or 2 skin on it and see if all the BF4 truthers maintain that attitude.

I truly believe the only thing they mean by “BF 3 or 4 feeling” is a modern setting for them.

DICE could release any version of battlefield and as long as it’s in a modern setting and works at release, they’ll eat it up

[nimble bridge]

Yeah leaks reminds me of BFV more than anything tbh, even the maps

Which is fine because I love BFV

What will be BF6's mascot?

[glad trench]

100% and I’m excited for it.

[glad trench]

Make it Angel to piss everyone off “Angel does it again”

[nimble bridge]

I want to see ||young Angel and young Mackay|| in campaign

[mossy marten]

Capybara

[nimble bridge]

Cool

[glad trench]

Give us the woman with the prosthetic arm from BF V as the narrator ala grandma Rose in Titanic

[nimble bridge]

👆

She starts narrating with ''Hello old friend''

[glad trench]

The battlefield cinematic universe goes brrrr

[nimble bridge]

I want to see Mackay's Mt. Everest mission

[glad trench]

Respawn as Sundance for the way down

[covert nest]

I'm looking forward to assault getting a smoke launcher.

It would be cool if they did a bf3/bf4 and allowed them to be attached to the assault rifle.

[devout gazelle]

Can everyone equip smoke nades again?

Or just medic?

in the new bf?

[mossy marten]

we don't know atm

[devout gazelle]

All classes should be able to select smokes for their loadout imo. Makes it easier to flank and people tend to rezz more if there's smoke around.

[glad trench]

I’d assume they can since they could in 2042

[glad trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jjuma4/omg_battlefield_6_is_too_fast_and_need_to_go_back/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

when presented with evidence about how dumb the claim about older BF being tactical and slow, they put their heads in the sand

[ruby merlin]

Those ppl in the comments are silly

💀

Using the excuse that it's vouzoo

And glitches

[glad trench]

but they'll see one clip of someone in an empty portal lobby executing the slide - jump spam perfectly and act like they'll ever see that in a real match

[nimble bridge]

I hope next BF's slide is good so I can farm these players with ''CoD exploits'' 🤣

[half halo]

BF subreddit is pure brainrot since the beginning of the leaks

[glad trench]

Don't worry they're still pieing the room 15 seconds later

[glad trench]

It's been brainrot for longer than that lol

[tall urchin]

I'll admit I don't care for the way one's hitbox changed in BF4 movement tech but the movement itself is fine, people just cope.

Weird how people can only exploit movement and not stuff like aim assist.

[glad trench]

ya the problem was never the movement, it was the janky hitboxes and the netcode before they fixed that

I remember back in the day with Gears of War 3 and the hitbox drama back then

[nimble bridge]

BF4's movement exploits teleported your character model

Zouzou rouzou etc. were genuine exploits

Air strafing wasn't though, it's a thing anyone can do in gunfights

[glad trench]

And how much of movement complaints happen now because crossplay is more or less the norm now and console potatoes realize this is what you're capable of doing with a kb/m

BF4 wasn't slow, you were just playing on a xbox 360 with a 55 FOV

[minor linden]

Tbf, you’d nearly never see that in matches unless you’re running operation metro 24/7

The general player didn’t use fast movement tech like that

[glad trench]

just like how gameplay in BF V and 2042 really isn't some spammy twitch shooter

the movement tech has always been there and it's not common to see someone who's mastered it

[minor linden]

That’s fair. Imo people over exaggerate how fast 2042 is. It’s slightly easier to be fast and twitchy, but the end result is generally the same as the 3-V era except for special things like Mackey or the glide suit

[mossy marten]

I lost some brain cells
I need compensation now

[minor linden]

It’s also somewhat easier to find the tech masters in 2042 just because of server size. Even disregarding how it’s slightly easier to do tech in 2042, 128 players per match doubles the chance of finding them

[glad trench]

people still play 128?

[ebon beacon]

Man screw you, now you made me want to replay the MGS all over again 🤣

I was waiting for Delta in order to replay the whole series again

[ebon beacon]

These must be the same guys that I had to carry in BFV since they keep on dying every time they push an objective wasting the attacker's ticket or can't defend can't defend a objective after we just capture it...

[nimble bridge]

I used to play Rush XL for LMG farming

You can get like 150-250 kills in it per match

[mossy marten]

128p cq only because there's more air vehicles to zook
Otherwise, dumbest decision ever

[rugged seal]

i only play 128cq

[quick merlin]

My cpu begs for mercy when I tried 128

[mossy marten]

My CPU on 128p gets pushed harder than on cinebench

[tall urchin]

I'm still on a 5900x this game already maxes my CPU

[mossy marten]

5800x3d be like, "Please sir, no more. I'm tired 😭 "

[tall urchin]

Whole room turns into the sweatbox

[tall urchin]

[Insert that one gif of the burning fire extinguisher from IT Crowd]

[mossy marten]

Arctic 240mm aio running full pump and fan speed to compensate for 2042

[tall urchin]

Yeah sounds about right

I keep my pump lower but it's an NZXT and the coil whine at higher pump speeds is grating

[mossy marten]

Honestly, the arctic is very quiet along with their fans as push and lian li fans as pull config

[tall urchin]

I use arctic fans for that reason

[covert nest]

Hey that thing isn't being tortured!

[mossy marten]

On 2042 it is

[covert nest]

The only time my own 5800x3d got tortured was during bt 128 and that put my x3d to 95% usage.

I don't blame it. It usually would sit on 80 to 85% which is normal.

[glad trench]

Me still beating the shit out of my OC’d 7700k

[naive fractal]

kind of insane how bad the reddit is compared to the discord

[rugged seal]

the people on the bottom of the leaderboard have lots of time to post on reddit because its obvious they arent playing the game

[tall urchin]

The amount of time reddit spends complaining about movement and anyone with any ability being a cheater could have made them better players than most.

[spice bramble]

Man I have a Ryzen 5 3600

Can't run 2042 no more

[vagrant oasis]

Go to 7 9800 x3d

[feral garden]

9700x will run 2042 basically the same (At half the price). It doesnt get much of a boost from the 3D cache

[twin fractal]

Oof I felt that

Playing 2042 at launch with a RX 580 and Ryzen 5 3600 was a nightmare

[mint cobalt]

Damn I made the right call to get a Ryzen 7 9700x, now all I need is a new gpu (-v-

[covert nest]

Yeah 9700x ain't bad.

Just dissapointing.

[safe moat]

On Reddit, every gaming community is bad. If you don’t think how they think they simply attack you

[half halo]

Bad is an understatement tbh

[mossy marten]

Cuz discussion can actually happen here (most of the time) compared to being crucified on reddit for having opinions

[twin fractal]

Read up on Sirlands tweets explaining the limited ammunition for vehicles.

Makes sense really

interesting way to get vehicle players to contribute

Don't wanna run out of ammo? There's more on the objective, go take or defend it

keeps up the pace of the action

I like it

[devout gazelle]

Yeah, seems like a reasonable approach. Hopefully its preventing those tank snipers from camping on the edge of the map and sniping people from miles away for the entire round.

[twin fractal]

If that's the case it makes me wonder if artillery vehicles like the HIMARS will return from Battlefield 4 since they were supposed to serve that role but Tank's ended up filling that niche when they didn't return in 2042

[covert nest]

The issue I had with bf5 is limiting your repairs and shit outside of them.

Nvm tanks feeling slow

It was a slog and encouraged defensive tanking which was.. whatever.

The guy behind it certainly thought that tanks firing shells from 100m away from each other was blockbuster gameplay.

[twin fractal]

I believe the intent of tank gameplay in BFV was to unironically invoke the movie Fury

which isn't a bad thing

but it really did fit the tank into two categories of approach, either the players scramble and don't touch the tank, or everyone touches the tank

[covert nest]

I think planes felt the design choices working in a positive manner for them though.

Being forced to come back to resupply ammo and repairs was really good for the pacific theatre as it made sure planes stayed on their side

If tanks had way more leniency with repair and regenerated only 5 shells at a time I wouldn't hate the system

[twin fractal]

I also hope tank health doesn't regenerate in this new Battlefield

it felt dumb in 2042 and made repairing completely optional instead of mandatory for good vehicle plays during the match

I remember in Battlefield 4, games were won and lost by how good the repair plays were by vehicle players

[safe moat]

It does to a point. Vehicles have 3 main bars of health, you can trigger a repair which will repair until the bar you are in is full but wont go to the upper bar

Its not really a passive as far as I seen but more you need to trigger it

Only on supply points or with an support with welding tool(idk if its even in it) you can repair to 100%

[mossy marten]

i believe engineers will have the repair tool this game most likely

[safe moat]

We haven’t seen it yet so thats why I said “idk if its even in it”

[mossy marten]

not having a repair tool in a BF game is like not having a med crate/ammo crate/spawn beacon

it's a necessary piece of equipment for the class it's part of (engineer in most games or support in bf1/bfv)

and i believe static class gadgets will be coming back (like 2042 has right now). assault with medpen, engineer with torch, support with defibs, and recon with spawn beacon

so it would be 3 gadgets essentially per class

[floral wraith]

I like spawn bacon

[indigo pebble]

got a ea playtest email got relly exsited turns out to be some racing game ...

[mossy marten]

[indigo pebble]

not enjoyed a racing game since nfs most wantd the first one not the openworld random objective one

[cedar fog]

Anyone get this email recently?

[floral wraith]

I got playtest emails for Skate which I played then one for F1 Racing boo I want BF lol

Skate required me to use a controller which I'm horrible at I like my keyboard and mouse

I own and have played every single Battlefield game. I'm a BF Veteran

[cedar fog]

Yea I got email about play test next week

[floral wraith]

Must be nice lol

[cedar fog]

Didn't know what it was for. Need a webcam and it's only an hour

[floral wraith]

Have fun with that I don't own a webcam lol

[cedar fog]

It wasn't confirmed or anything. Just wondering if anyone else got one

I dunno if it's for bf6. But seemed like it if it's asking for a webcam to monitor the session

[floral wraith]

Dunno how a webcam will monitor the session I'd understand a instance of screen capture to monitor it to make sure your not recording gameplay lol

[cedar fog]

Through a zoom call. I dunno

Why risk the perma ban

[floral wraith]

Dunno same reason others have broken the NDA. Ppl who do that ruin it for diehard battlefield players

I invest my money and time into the battlefield franchise

[cedar fog]

Same. Been since 1942. I'm old lol

[glad trench]

You mean going back to BF premium isn’t the best move?

We should go back to paying for maps rather than getting gameplay content for free these days

[mossy marten]

lowkey would be nice, just because back then it was guaranteed content, but if they did it now........ i would be scared

[nimble bridge]

Issue of premium is that you won't be able to find people to play on those maps after a while

DICE needs to up their game, 2-3 maps per season minimum instead imo

[indigo pebble]

tbf with premium they gave us better development over live service it was live service that made the games seem less developed

live service is good for games like apex and mmorpg but not for fps relly because it feels less goes into it

[glad trench]

I mean we get guaranteed content now as they sell the season passes for the entire year, just like premium promise. We can argue quantity but I think quality is about par. Since BF3 DICE really hasn’t been consistent with DLC/expac/season passes quality

And imo, the pacific update/season in BF V is the best we’ve gotten since BF3

[fleet robin]

you can't share this

[glad trench]

The subreddit losing its mind now that a dataminer found references to a BR mode for BF6 lmao

[indigo pebble]

well tbf i did like firestorm itr was more fun as a br then warzone

[glad trench]

I personally don’t care about BRs, this isn’t an endorsement for it but it’s always funny how they cry about shit they don’t have to play

[indigo pebble]

and peopel was saying about it way before because of thew fire on the consept art

[glad trench]

Ya I always heard great things about firestorm other than the ¿$30? Price tag

[tall urchin]

Yeah, people like to reference Firestorm but forget to account for it being locked behind the base game purchase.

I don't think a F2P Battlefield BR will beat out Apex or WZ but having a f2p component isn't a bad idea honestly.

[glad trench]

You never know, Ripple Effect might find a new wrinkle for BRs that everyone loves

[safe moat]

I mean..... we knew it for months from leaks

Hell it was obvious that Ripple Effect was working on something like a BR when they didnt mention their work on LABS trailer

[glad trench]

Ya I’m aware of the leaks, more making fun of the sub for losing their minds over every single piece of datamined info

[safe moat]

Honestly, F2P Battlefield BR doesnt have to beat those games because those games are dying themselves. As for what they can do to make the game better is seperating it from core BF and thus avoidint the problems that Warzone created

[glad trench]

Despite a lot of datamined stuff never coming to fruition

[safe moat]

yea

We can also ping guns on the ground since first Labs test

[glad trench]

Contextual pings finally in BF

Papa Vince bringing over that Apex tech

[indigo pebble]

Fire storm was with bfv you never paid for it sepratly

[glad trench]

Ya, I’m saying someone who doesn’t care about BF but interested in trying a new BR had a barrier to entry

Unlike every other BR on the market

[safe moat]

Yea, and unironically i dont think pinging guns is bad

[indigo pebble]

you mean because its not free? and its part of the game look at paid brs and free brs and compare the amount of cheaters

[safe moat]

well, while Firestorm might have been good(i never played it) it being tied to the actual game and thus you need to buy the game to access it turned off many people

[glad trench]

That’s an anti cheat and publisher not going after cheat sellers problem.

Plenty of free competitive games across all genres have combated cheaters more effectively than BF ever has

[safe moat]

I hope they atleast make or use a good anti cheat and utilize it to maximum

[glad trench]

2042 at launch was flooded with cheaters despite a full price tag

when DICE announces a kernel level anti cheat and the sub crashes out for the 7th time that week

[tall urchin]

They already use one (not a good one mind you) so BF6 will invariably use EA anticheat too.

[indigo pebble]

if i get a extra few modes with a game i brought without paying extra thats a win hazard zne could of been so much better if they gave it some acual thought

[glad trench]

Ya so just make the BR a connected but separate free experience from the base game

[nimble bridge]

Warzone thrived and Blackout failed because of the same reason

No one is going to pay for a BR game

[clear viper]

Same with Firestorm

[scenic owl]

what if the next bf comes out and it's worse then 2042, and we get a flood of videos on youtube like "2042 was SO underrated"

[glad trench]

I was in the 2042 tech alpha

[fleet robin]

it'll probably happen after bf7

[glad trench]

this playtest is already leagues better than that

I played the tech alpha and immediately said "ya, I'll skip launch"

watched/listened to my friends cry and moan for months, then joined during season 1 and have had fun with it despite it being what it is

[scenic owl]

i was too. i couldn't play it because the fps was AWFUL

i was playing on a 1080ti and it was like 15-20fps

[tall urchin]

I loved the physics though, launching off ladders or bhopping after falling from skyscraper height

[clear viper]

Apparently 2042's tech alpha had like zero textures according to Jackfrags, we're already miles ahead atp

[scenic owl]

i remember 2042's closed alpha having textures

[glad trench]

no it had textures. really rough rendering though, looked like chopped up/muddy mess

[scenic owl]

yea it was gross

[clear viper]

That might've been what he meant, that or he misremembered

[glad trench]

like almost a bad film grain over everything

[scenic owl]

bf games have a noise filter option i think

[clear viper]

Either way though we're definitely way ahead already

At least by the abhorrent 2042 standards of 15 months of dev lmao

[tall urchin]

Not to mention the timing of the tests compared to a possible release of spring 26 leaves more time to continue to iron stuff out.

[glad trench]

I think I know what you're talking about in regards to him comments. Usually in early development a lot of playtests will be in graybox environments

[clear viper]

I see I see

[scenic owl]

was the rumor that 2042 was initially a battle royale but got hodgepodged into a shit bf true?

[fleet robin]

we'll probably never know

[glad trench]

but that's like a game 18+ months out from launch.

[fleet robin]

but given all the things we do know, it's probably true

[glad trench]

this game at most is ~12 months out so I'd expect playtests to be on textured (although some textures and art assets may be missing or not finalized) maps

[clear viper]

Yeah which seems to be the case

Man I still can't believe how featureless 2042 was during the beta

You couldn't even throw grenades back 😭

[glad trench]

still waiting for them to add fortifications

[clear viper]

Pleaseee I miss fortifications 🙏🙏

[nimble bridge]

It will happen regardless BF6 is bad or not

[indigo pebble]

pubg was very sucsessful

[glad trench]

that was almost a decade ago, BR marketplace has drastically changed.

[indigo pebble]

its still rocking over 100k players on steam alone

[glad trench]

it's been free to play since 2022

why are you dying on this hill

[fleet robin]

lmao

pubg was also pretty much the first major battle royale, even if it was paid it was going to be popular

[feral garden]

It had 3.4 million concurrent players as a paid BR tho

Making the statement false

[fleet robin]

nowadays where you have a million free battle royales it very much matters if a new BR is paid or not

[glad trench]

in 2018

[feral garden]

And?

[glad trench]

markets change

[feral garden]

OK, but the statement isnt saying anythign about in the current market.

[fleet robin]

the point is that nobody will pay for a battle royale, which is true now. Doesn't matter if pubg was popular back then because obviously things were different

[glad trench]

except you're trying to use it's peak player count as a counter to people won't pay for BRs anymore

[feral garden]

Most likely true, simply because there are free alternatives

[glad trench]

when we have the last ~5 years of evidence, along with existing BRs that were pay to play, go free to play

[feral garden]

Shit but free BR will get more players than a quality paid BR today. Which is a shame TBH

[glad trench]

it's like releasing a MOBA in 2025 that you have to pay $60 for because in 2004 you had to pay to play Warcraft 3 mods

[fleet robin]

or like releasing a $40 generic hero shooter because you had to pay for overwatch in 2016... oh wait

[ruby merlin]

Minecraft hunger games was 🗿🗿

[fleet robin]

valid but minecraft wasn't just a battle royale

[scenic owl]

Jackfrags and Westie already have those videos made

[tall urchin]

Yeah, PUBG had two major advantages: 1) People were getting a taste of BR coming off DayZ/Epoch and therefore it was a fresh concept and 2) Being a fresh concept meant it had no competitors and could set whatever they wanted for market price

Both of those haven't applied to the genre in ages and wouldn't pass anymore.

[nimble bridge]

To be fair 2042 DOES some things better than other games(at least other alive games)

Game modes are mad fun in 2042

No one cares about gunmaster or rush or frontlines in older games(except BF3 which is dead at this point), whenever they come to rotation in 2042 they are almost always fun

[tall urchin]

I miss gun game

[nimble bridge]

2042 had a gun master in portal rotation this week or last week

[indigo pebble]

i mean they could keep portal alive and put every battlefield game into portal including firestorm and make it a battlefield hub

bring out the bc2 and bf3 progression systems back

deffo want veitnam back

[digital radish]

One thing I enjopy in 2042 is BT, the maps arem mid but i think BT plays decent

[nimble bridge]

Portal should exist for map remakes only imo, I don't want past era soldiers or weapons or gadgets or vehicles, waste of effort imo

[indigo pebble]

i think ever since they changed it from the 128 players the balance got worse probly npotbecause of the amount fo people but they did somthig to make it worse then it was

[nimble bridge]

BT was my main mode since BFV tbh

[indigo pebble]

bfv did it good though and grand ops was my fav game mode

[digital radish]

Yeah same, hope it stays around in BF

[indigo pebble]

atleast bfv did nto chokehold the bt maps

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, flag placement was better in BFV

2042 maps are weird

You always lose first sector as a defender and last sector is almost impossible to capture as attacker

[digital radish]

Accurate

[indigo pebble]

2024 maps was rushed and had no real thought process but they removed the best flag locations liem ontop of buildings and stuff

[glad trench]

as it should. Conquest has been ancient and stale for over 10 years now

go there to farm vehicle unlocks then go play a game mode that has some actual action.

[nimble bridge]

2042 did some conquest maps better though, you aren't using 20% of the maps if you play BT in let's say Redacted

[indigo pebble]

i love cq but the 128 version because i felt i could get around more and the map never seemed empty in areas

[glad trench]

100% but there has always been bad map design for Rush/BT since BC2/BF3

BF3 rush was great, only a few meh maps

BF4 rush was god awful

[indigo pebble]

i loved dropping a building on a objective and every one in it

[nimble bridge]

It's for balancing reasons, if you could use ziplines in redacted as an attacker it would almost be impossible for defenders to defend, still not being able to use unique mechanics for the map is annoying

[nimble bridge]

I don't like 128 modes besides Rush XL tbh, Rush XL is somewhat fun

[indigo pebble]

i love it the map felt alive and you was not the only guy with aa

since the changes tothe map the players turned into cod players

diving ff the skyscrapers to wingsuit to the big stadiem was my fav thing to do to take out them roof snipers yes i mispelt it im dyslexic lol

[green bear]

I only play 128 because 64 on the 2042 base maps is awful. They weren't made for it

[mossy marten]

[mossy marten]

Damn, dead chat?

[gilded rivet]

anyone have a list of confirmed tanks in battlefield labs? i think i seen a leopard.

[gilded rivet]

hai

[young jetty]

Abrams and an Leopard 2

[gilded rivet]

thankhou

thankyou

[leaden kraken]

Maps need to be designed for their gamemodes, Rush in BFBC2 was the best version imo because of the maps

[half halo]

I was kicked for 24h

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

Totally agree, and to some extent BF3 was great at doing hybrid design for Conquest and Rush.

[half halo]

Note to myself: I cannot insult Reddit users on this discord

[mossy marten]

[severe anvil]

we'd prefer if you didn't insult anybody.

[half halo]

Of course! I just want the game to be good, so I got heated by all the arguments on Reddit regarding movement and other things. I'll just take a Deep breath, try to ignore them and hope the devs know what they are doing.

[half halo]

DISCLAIMER: dear mods, if this topic is not allowed, feel free to delete the post. 🙂

Anyone else feel uneasy with Temporyal? Like I understand in BFV when there was content drought it kept some hype alive for the game.

However, I feel it just ruined the entire surprise for the next game. That feeling of discovery when you first play a game, discover the Weapons, the maps, the progression, etc. I feel is one of the most fun part when a New game is released.

Now, we already know so Much, It's like part of my hype is already dying (not that the content doesn't seem great, just that I have nothing to look for anymore)

[covert nest]

If i had to make a public comment myself. I think he just simplu ripped the bandaid off.

I don't think he's particularly problematic but I think the larger issue is that the battlefield community are a bunch of idiots that shouldn't be trusted with pre release content.

I think he does it out of curiousity than malice.

[deft crown]

Hes already stated that he's just doing it again out of nostalgia

I doubt he's going to continue for long

[spice bramble]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1jl63ia/truly_the_debacle_of_the_year_for_this_sub/

real

[half halo]

I mean, There is no need to continue for long when you already released everything in 24h

[mossy marten]

Replied 1/10 rage bait

[quick merlin]

(talk about not insulting anybody...)

[nimble bridge]

Don't look search the leaks if you don't want to be spoiled

[nimble bridge]

Movelet detected = opinion rejected

[half halo]

Well, a bit difficult when it's the first post I saw when opening Reddit today

[glad trench]

This, block him on twitter etc. pretty easy to not be spoiled imo

[glad trench]

He’s not wrong

I’ve played WoW for 20 years, that community is a bunch of scholars in comparison to your average “baTtLeFIeld VEt”

If you asked them to describe BF2/3/4 you’d think they were playing SOCOM

[feral garden]

Like way said, the issue is less them, and moreso the army of brainlets who treat everything they post as gospel.

I also don't like to see mined leaks pre release, so I muted their account on X and reddit.

[pliant fulcrum]

you sound goofy

[spice bramble]

Battlefield sub-reddit lives in a black and white world. You're either told to play Arma, or to play COD

Both equally as obnoxious

[half halo]

This is the way

[quick merlin]

Fair enough opining. No need for insulting is my point.

[half halo]

I would say that all subreddits and full of black and white type of people

[spice bramble]

Yeah, it's annoying

I do wonder how many "Team Movement" people play Locker/Metro/Underground primarily

[honest cliff]

Reddit is just dumb

[spice bramble]

Locker is Battlefield's COD

[glad trench]

BF3 CQ dlc is battlefield’s cod

[honest cliff]

The people who play locker all the time are the BF equivalent of people who only play Shipment on CoD

[glad trench]

And it was ironically one of the best dlc we’ve gotten

[glad trench]

Not even a goober?

[mossy marten]

I'm on Team "Not BF1 movement"
I play different modes
Give me BFV or 2042 movement and that's all that's needed

[honest cliff]

CQ dlc does look good i just wish BF3 was on modern gen consoles w 64 players

[spice bramble]

I don't really want BF2042 movement, but I don't know how influential the animations are on my perception

Maybe if they weren't so robot-ish, I would like it more

[granite mesa]

I think BFV movement was fine but for the love of god people who slide should lose momentum like in BF1

[mossy marten]

2042 movement is not that broken as BF4's lol

it's more balanced

[spice bramble]

Either way, I played a lot of BF3 through 2042 and movement was NEVER my complaint

[granite mesa]

BFV you could slide up surfaces

[spice bramble]

That's not what I mean

[granite mesa]

But besides that the movement was peak

[spice bramble]

I'm talking visual impression

[glad trench]

Was fun af

[spice bramble]

Also, BF2042 was faster for other reasons than movement

[granite mesa]

True

Although it’s not as fun as you watch a Misaki sliding up the stairs on Operation Underground with a ZK-383

the nightmares

[glad trench]

Part of the game when I do it back lol

[granite mesa]

Fair enough

[honest cliff]

No it was really fast bcs you have to cover more ground on the bigass maps
Combine that with slide jumping and everything being zero recoil and that is certainly some game design

[granite mesa]

One day people will realize FOV sliders are a thing that can dramatically change how fast something looks

[spice bramble]

I meant that other things ALSO had an impact

[glad trench]

People saying b3/4 were slow need to be sat down on a pc with a fov > 90

[spice bramble]

Probably comes from people that didn't play much Locker/Metro

[honest cliff]

Whats console FoV usually set at on older BF titles

[spice bramble]

On the more open maps you didn't really perceive the speed that much

[glad trench]

Like 55-65 can’t remember the exact number but it’s loooow

[honest cliff]

Damn i thought it was like 70

[feral garden]

https://youtu.be/tNpis3ZAfsE?si=9hm2K2O9w2nuQXKZ

Idea for the devs on next playtest. Limit fov to 75 and see community say ye fixed the game by reducing movement speed. 😛

[spice bramble]

I always played on 85 or so

Great middle ground

[mossy marten]

literally what @winter viper said on twitter a couple days ago
but please don't limit me to 75 lol, 95 is the sweet spot

[feral garden]

I'm just saying to do this as a smoke test for those watching/playing

[mossy marten]

limit console to 75
since i've noticed a trench with "slow movement enjoyers" and console users being the same

[tepid plinth]

Would be funny if they just changed animation speed in a test

[nimble bridge]

Me

[nimble bridge]

👆 🤣

[spice bramble]

Then your opinion is not that much better than the one of a "movelet", tbh

24/7 Lockers enjoyers play the game to try their hardest

[nimble bridge]

You won't even find people who uses movement in other modes 🤷

[spice bramble]

Okay

But just Locker isn't representative of the game and the playstyle

[tepid plinth]

To Reddit it seems to be

Which cracks me up

[spice bramble]

I more so meant that Locker players care about movement much more, because that's the most there's to it (Locker)

and aiming, but I think you get me

[tepid plinth]

Yeah I get you

[glad trench]

That and they think zouzou vouzou is fake and not real

[tepid plinth]

It’s the place where the benefits of it are most evident

But also proves that in open spaces it isn’t the be all end all that determines a fight

[glad trench]

Also get a UW monitor and crank the fov to the max

[tepid plinth]

Bf is and always will be positioning first. Movement can totally be designed like it is in 2042 to be pros and cons

[nimble bridge]

CQC players are just better at the game, if I'm going 40-20 in a Close Quarters playlist then I'm going 40-10 in let's say Domination or Frontlines, despite Domination or Frontlines being equally fast paced

I usually forget jumpshots exists in 2042 until I play Redacted, then every 2 person is jumpshotting

Or crouch spamming

[spice bramble]

Battlefield is primarily combined arms, not CQC so

Saying the movement should be catered either to the casuals or to the people that try their best is unfair

[mossy marten]

they should implement drop shotting and wall bounces

[spice bramble]

Idk

I've ultimately adapted to every type of movement there was

[nimble bridge]

No BF catered to only one of these groups except for BF1

[spice bramble]

Assuming my PC can fucking run the game, I can equally enjoy BF1 and BF2042

[nimble bridge]

Even in BF3 every 2 soldier was jumping around

Best BF games always had easy to learn hard to master movement

[spice bramble]

What I'm trying to get at is, I've seen the tryhards (not in a banter way) think that their opinion is the only opinion

Ultimately what I don't want, is for the game to allow for EVERYONE to play like a cracked up squirrel

Movement needs to be a mastery

[glad trench]

That’s how it’s always been tho. You can log into BF3/4/1/V/2042, go into either a cqc or a standard conquest map and see a few people take advantage of the movement to varying degrees, then there are the people who don’t take any advantage of it and play like bots from 1942

[tall urchin]

This is true and not an opinion.

Good players want what's good for the genre, casuals want what's good for them.

[glad trench]

Everyone has always been allowed, PC at least, but few whether it’s through lack of knowledge, can do or desire to, don’t engage with the movement like that

And it’s always has what made BF a chill/more casual game rather than a SBMM sweat fest

[spice bramble]

I've found the movement in BF2042 to be easier

[glad trench]

Going 40-10 is fun af and is much easier to do when you have like 12 people per team that do not have thumbs/wrists

[spice bramble]

I could say that tryhards want mechanics that further allow them to take advantage of the movement

And not want it for "the good of the game"

But I agree to some extent

[glad trench]

I’d agree with that, I still rarely see more than a few people per server utilizing it

[tepid plinth]

Yeah I’m in the same boat, I just prefer there being a little bit.

I can enjoy games that take the ‘who sees who first’ approach, but having a little bit there at least to promote some one v ones so it actually feels like a fight is good

[spice bramble]

Yeah, I have to admit that BF1 isn't the most engaging of games movement wise

But the overall state of the game "compensates" for it

[tall urchin]

It's not engaging in anything besides visuals and art direction

[tepid plinth]

Its class balance and how different they each feel is what lifts it up to me

[spice bramble]

For you, maybe

I feel engaged when playing :/

[tall urchin]

I'm so sorry to hear that

[spice bramble]

You're so full of yourself...

[tepid plinth]

Gunfights are easy, never really challenges you at all, but making the core decisionmaking around how to best position to play to your class benefits is fun itself

[spice bramble]

I said I also enjoy BF2042

I can be engaged without having to put in effort

I can be engaged whilst putting in effort

Goes both ways

BF4 I uuuused to enjoy, not anymore since I dislike the maps and I didn't actively play the game since 2013

[minor linden]

Imo it’s more tactically engaging

Like, you have to more actively think about your positioning because it’s hard to get out of a position in a pinch

[glad trench]

I’ve always wondered. Is BF1 truly that much more immersive than 5? Or is it the lack of gameplay depth that has focus much more on the atmosphere of the game in comparison to V where there’s just much more to concentrate on gameplay wise

[spice bramble]

No, BF1 truly is more immersive

Art direction, screams, the setting itself

[glad trench]

Because I, personally, have never had a lack of immersion while playing V

[spice bramble]

BF V would be more immersive it focused on the bigger battles

[tepid plinth]

It’s mostly the tonal consistency and tone in general. Darker tones tend to get people more interested due and involved because it’s easier to relate to the narrative

[spice bramble]

Yeah, you can feel whatever

[tall urchin]

BF1 just has good attention to minute detail and art direction. It's why BF2042 looks so bad because the super clean aesthetic is antithetical to the lore and setting.

[minor linden]

Imo V’s hud hurts its immersion much more than people think

It feels really mobile-esc

[spice bramble]

V's hud isn't that bad, is it?

[glad trench]

Ya I’d agree, BFV never making it around to the truly iconic WW2 moments hurt it

[spice bramble]

Look at Arrras, for example...

[glad trench]

Game had so much more life in it

[spice bramble]

Beautiful map, but lacks any sign of a war going on

If more maps were like Devastation, then maybe the atmosphere would be better

[minor linden]

The lower right of the hud is really what hurts it

Having gun icons with numbers acting like we don’t know what buttons to hit when we want primary is a really bad choice for immersion

[glad trench]

IMO I like when the maps start off “clean” then by the end it’s ravaged

[minor linden]

It also clutters the screen way more than the simple ammo indicator we used to have

[tepid plinth]

Considering that 4, 1, v and 2042 all do it I never considered it a bad thing

[spice bramble]

I care very little about hud, unless it actively hurts my experience

[glad trench]

Man playing on an UW monitor, stuff like that on the edges of my screen really never bothered me.

As long as the info I need is there when I want it, I’m good

[spice bramble]

I didn't particularly notice 2042's hud either, but it wasn't good in retrospect

[minor linden]

4 nor 1 had it. They had an ammo indicator and that’s it

[glad trench]

Extra numbers/icons next to the ammo counter have never bothered me

[tepid plinth]

4 had the number next to the gadget it corresponded to, 1 does the same thing v does

[mossy marten]

Yup, screenshots exist of it

[glad trench]

What bothers me more is the overlay of icons/flags/sectors etc in the middle of my screen that block my sight on enemy players

Which I felt 2042 was really bad with

[tepid plinth]

And then 2042 also had the key icons next to the gadget

They aren’t all that different in that regard

The customisability of those icons could be different though, I never bothered nor cared to see if I could turn off the keys on the Ui

[spice bramble]

HUD customization is all it takes to satisfy all of us

To be honest, you'll never satisfy everyone in the BF community

So I take it back

[minor linden]

Maybe in a customized version, but not by default. By default, 1 just had the ammo counters while V had the weird boxes above it with gun indicators

[glad trench]

“DICE added HUD customization and this is how it ruined my immersion, a story in two parts”

[tepid plinth]

Ah I think I see what you mean. The gadget list for v stays on permanently but the bf1 one only does when you select or replenish a gadget, so you don’t see the key at all times

[minor linden]

That’s fair. They really could’ve been toned down or just relegated to the compass

[glad trench]

100%, have them overlayed when you spawn in as an orientation tool then within ~3 seconds have them relegated to the compass

[minor linden]

Fr. That’s why I’m fine with the way labs is doing stuff like flag borders.

As long as I can turn it off, I’m good with it

[spice bramble]

Also, I assume the themes/OSTs aren't finished for the game?

[leaden kraken]

Agreed

I think a mix of "active warzone" and "clean" maps would be good

Especially for civilian areas, seeing a neighborhood or downtown area turned to complete rubble is part of Battlefield's aesthetic

[winter viper]

This right here is 100% truth

One of the worst things is having casual players make the worst choices. Which makes no sense why anyone would listen to them as they'll play the game maybe 100hrs and move on to the next

But it also seems like the players that spent 2-3k hrs playing and buying all the cosmetics, and battlepasses etc get ignored when we ask "Hey, could you do something please about not allowing enemy or friendly tanks to just sit in spawn"

[feral garden]

Vehicle attrition, Irish APS not stopping rockets, etc. So unless that was an off hand choice of request, it was adjusted for based on feedback

Listening to sweats isn't the way either. It needs to be a balance

[indigo pebble]

i think bf6 tanks need to be like bfv tanks they felt more engageing

[mossy marten]

nah, fuck the goddamn glancing blow shit

[winter viper]

Take the Wildcat for example from 2042, people (casual player base) begged for the range to be extended on the AA rockets and that air craft was too hard to kill. Now we have Wildcats that can lock on up to 800m away, then they gave it APS, after making Irishs APS not stop rockets lol, then taking away Assault class 3rd C5 made it even harder to stop them from camping and harassing or farming kills

[honest cliff]

APS should have only been on the armoured car from season2

[winter viper]

And then lol, because the Wildcat campers were mad on Reddit and complained, they gave the AT mine a 2 second delay before it armed because people like me would fly over head and drop them on top the tank and kill it

[winter viper]

Feedback is fine, but my god listening to most of the brain dead people on Reddit is not the choice lol

[honest cliff]

Thats exceptionally dumb, the AT mines in 2042 were probably the most balanced in BF history imo bcs they were quick acting

[glad trench]

On the same hand, I’ve heard people like Jackfrags and other streamers make some straight up brain dead suggestions

[winter viper]

Jacks about as casual as they come too

Most of the YTs that put out videos about these games now barely spend more than a hour or two a week at most to make a video to push out

[mossy marten]

[winter viper]

Yeah cause they worked, but now if you try to throw mines down, might as well Alt F4

[indigo pebble]

i mean the way they drive and was controlled but i think 3rd person should be removed

[glad trench]

Are you telling me people like xfactor who hasn’t really played since BF 4/1 doesn’t have valid opinions on 5/2042? (He doesn’t he just cries like randos on the sub for BF4 remake)

[honest cliff]

Nah vehicle 3rd person makes sense

[indigo pebble]

na not a chance 3rd person is a cancer

[honest cliff]

Yeah if he hasnt played since those games his criticisms have a lot less validity in most peoples eyes

[winter viper]

Been around the BF community since BF3 and never heard of this guy until like 3 weeks ago

[mossy marten]

Xfactor slander? i love this

[glad trench]

Cuz he’s an absolute nobody. Just played with levelcap and matimio back in the day

And people think he knows what he’s talking about cuz he played with them

[winter viper]

I heard he was a repair/tank main player during BF4 comp games, and that's about it

Tank gunner*

[honest cliff]

Also i think people who are too competitive like Enders should just be ignored because in his case just plays BF5 medic and rarely ever teamplays, he also complains far too much

[glad trench]

I agree

[mossy marten]

i disagree
Enders has valid points, even if they aren't worded...... the best way sometimes

[winter viper]

Enders has a LOT of very very valid points 90% of the time

[honest cliff]

I am a little biased bcs i argued with him once on this discord (he was fairly hostile tbh)

[winter viper]

Lol

[glad trench]

Until I play a game with Enders where he's not consistently trying to dodge being on the losing team and getting rolled, but keep getting put onto that losing team. I ain't listening

[winter viper]

I don't blame on that half the time. Sometimes it's just better to quit and Re-Q when teammates are playing like Reddit users

[honest cliff]

Honestly a more sensible comp/pro type of creator is Maxiq. Hes a better creator and far less argessively competitive than Enders in game and he makes more competent arguments on average

Also I once killed him on stream in BF1 with one of the worst guns in the game. Probably one of my best moments on BF ever.

[winter viper]

Maxiq is cool, and a homie. Known him a LONG time

[quick merlin]

Enders and his type is the reason why social media is a cesspool.

[honest cliff]

What are some of Enders big opinions again? its been a while since ive watched his vids

[winter viper]

Going to laugh like hell when he shows up and reads this stuff

[honest cliff]

Oh dw i think he got banned

[mossy marten]

he's still here

[quick merlin]

I savaged him on Twitter straight off to him. Didn't say a word back.

[winter viper]

Hes watching lol

[honest cliff]

Whats his discord name

[mossy marten]

• against visual recoil
• wants gunplay to be more like BF4 but updated
• doesn't want BF1 movement, but also doesn't want excessive titanfall movement
• vehicles, i don't really know detailed opinions other than says BF4 had the best balance of them
• wants maps like BF3

[winter viper]

Visual recoil, recoil and spread tbh

[mossy marten]

@naive fractal

[honest cliff]

Wasnt showing him

[glad trench]

BF4 vehicles being balanced... lmaoooo

also BF4 gunplay is the most overrated slop that gets praised. Being required to burst because guns have the bullet spread of a hose with your finger over it isn't good design

[winter viper]

It's still one the best gunplay designs in the series...

Like drugs are bad Mkay

[mossy marten]

"bf4 gunplay but updated"
not just copy pasted

[glad trench]

updating refers that you're building off a foundation that I vehemently disagree with

[winter viper]

BF1 and 2042 have the worst gunplay tbh

[honest cliff]

Visual recoil kinda makes sense
BF4 gunplay update doesnt sound too bad, honestly I guess hardline gunplay is better slightly but ive not played it
BF1 movement is mid i wont lie. Honestly watching his streams, i doubt he actually dislikes the idea of titanfall movement considering how much he slides in BF5.
BF4 vehicles are NOT balanced at all wtf is he on
Never played BF3 but its maps do look top tier

[winter viper]

BFV right under that with random recoil crap

[mossy marten]

wait, he said something about vehicles in this chat a couple days ago, let me see if i can find it

[glad trench]

give me random recoil slop over random bullet deviation

I can tame that bucking horse

[winter viper]

Idk BF4 vehicles felt more balanced than 2042 lol.

[naive fractal]

Wat

[mossy marten]

nah, random recoil is dumb af
normal recoil pattern and spread are leagues ahead of that shit
it's also called spread*

[mossy marten]

they wanted your opinions on what's required to have BF be a good game

[naive fractal]

Oh another unsolicited Enders shit talking session ah yes

[mossy marten]

oh

[winter viper]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-running-me-when-im-late-tom-hanks-gif-5144739

[glad trench]

welcome to the limelight

comes with the territory

[winter viper]

For the record, I wasn't...js

[mossy marten]

same, i said that his feedback are valid and shouldn't be ignored
edit: i meanth feedback lol

[winter viper]

^

Oh this is going to be good I'm sure of it

[naive fractal]

Why would I willingly subject myself to a situation that isn’t enjoyable? It’s a Battlefield pub lobby. I can sit through it just fine, but I won’t lol. Much easier to find a new game.

My experience is heavily dependent on 31 random players. Even if I’m consistently performing the best on my team I’m still 1 person

Besides, you questioning why I leave is funny considering I’ve experienced much more pressure competing with my team in tournaments for significant money. Games that really matter

In 2042 I’m not sitting there and suffering cause of bad balance

The game is annoying enough already

[glad trench]

Cuz you would always just end back up in the same server cuz you wouldn't let the matchmaking breathe for 5 seconds and would eventually finish the game in that said rolled team.

[half halo]

[quick merlin]

don't put yourself out there subject to criticism then.

what goes around comes around.

[half halo]

Enders yesterday: This discord is chill

The discord today: Hey, why aren't we shitting on Enders because we don't like him

[ruby merlin]

What is going on

💀

[naive fractal]

Don’t care, I’m here talking to you guys aren’t I? No stranger to this

[honest cliff]

someone pinged Enders

@ruby merlin

[naive fractal]

Yeah sometimes there arent many servers so I just decide to tank it anyways

[glad trench]

we segmented into talking about how streamers often have just as garbage takes as your typical reddit randos

someone brought up enders

here we are

[ruby merlin]

Well seeing as streamers are usually good players ofc they would

Better then avg players so

Usually*

[honest cliff]

I did, my apologies guys

[quick merlin]

sure. great. welcome and can be a pleasure. my point is: once one is out there with public broadcasts, don't expect everyone to agree with you.

[naive fractal]

I don’t

[ruby merlin]

Enders are you excited for battlefield 6?

I am

[winter viper]

Actually it started with the conversation of who's opinions hold more validity when making game decisions for the better: the casual player that will spend 100hrs or less playing, or the creator that will spend 2-3k hrs playing etc

[naive fractal]

Feel better about it than BFV or 2042. Hope for the best lol.

[ruby merlin]

From the 50+ minutes of leaks I've seen it looks peak

[quick merlin]

👍

[ruby merlin]

So far

[glad trench]

preorder right now, no balls

$70 in an undisclosed envelope to Stockholm, today

[ruby merlin]

Well I can't go in time to when pre orders are up💀

[glad trench]

nah dude there are ways, trust

[ruby merlin]

But yes I am going to pre order

[naive fractal]

What takes of mine started this again? Lol

[ruby merlin]

"b But dOnT pRe OrDeR!!🤓"

[glad trench]

if you want to climb up the chain, start here

[ruby merlin]

I can do with my money as I want

[winter viper]

I'm pre ordering the Super Delux Maximum UwU Hardcore Milsim edition

[ruby merlin]

🗿

[ruby merlin]

💀

[glad trench]

I'm not against it, I personally just wait until a week before release etc

dgaf about collectors editions, just give me the base game with the first year of season pass etc

[nimble bridge]

BFV forces you to play as a medic

[ruby merlin]

Why?

[nimble bridge]

Attrition

[naive fractal]

Attrition was designed to hinder good players 💯

[nimble bridge]

Only medic can have 100% hp all the time

[ruby merlin]

Whats attrition?

[honest cliff]

If its good its good and ill have fun playing it
If its not good i'll play something else like Helldivers
Simple as

[nimble bridge]

You don't refill 100% of your health, you only refill 40%

[naive fractal]

Some unfun system in BFV that prevented health regen / limited ammo

[ruby merlin]

That's dumb

[winter viper]

Game will be locked at 50 FOV (Console BF4 style) an the running speed of a snail, guns recoil will require a larger desk to pull down on mouse hard enough to control the recoil

[naive fractal]

Imo was just purely unfun, but funnily enough it never affected most players because they’d die before it set in

[ruby merlin]

BFV is underrated

I like the game

Personally

[naive fractal]

Lets calm down there bud