battlefield-labs-discussion

[twin fractal]

Could you even strafe in OG CoD? I only played that game on console and never saw it

[tall urchin]

It's awful, where's my geriatric shooter with bipod mounted walkers?

Want to throw my dentures at my enemies

[ebon beacon]

*starts grabbing popcorn*

[tall urchin]

Honestly don't remember, i haven't played CoD in well over ten years

[twin fractal]

I think what's funny is a game like Insurgency Sandstorm is a pretty realistic and tactical shooter. And you can pull off pretty arcadey in that movement too.

You can pull off Arcadey movement in just about every slow paced tactical shooter except for Arma, and Arma is built around a completely different stratosphere of game design

[mint cobalt]

if you are thinking of Sprint strafing? no that wasn't in old COD, I don't know when they started implamenting it

I don't think Strafing started with Advanced Warfare, that was Boost strafing

[twin fractal]

Like you can slide cancel in Insurgency Sandstorm.
You can bunny hop in Escape from Tarkov
You can strafe in Hell Let Loose
You can bunny hop in Squad
And you can player model wiggle in just about all of these to mess with people's aim because your character pivot is on the waist instead of neck

[ebon beacon]

Honestly universal weapons aren't the issue since in BF4 even if you use the universal weapons, you're not effective against Snipers or Assault Rifles and in BF4 to even BF1 we got Class Silhouettes that lets you identify what class are you playing against like Engineers have Launchers behind their back while Support have a bunch of belt ammo string around their body

[nimble bridge]

You can slide in Insurgency but it's too much if you can slide in hardcore tactical game Battlefield

[ebon beacon]

Honestly I think the BF4 universal weapon still work the best and I will send a hot take but they should make the DMRs this time exclusive for the Recons so only Carbines and Shotguns are available to most classes

[mint cobalt]

Assault had Health Pack and can revive other teammates

[nimble bridge]

Disagreed, carbines are just ARs I don't think every class should get ARs

[twin fractal]

You can also jump and shoot at the same time in Sandstorm. I have literally caught people off guard by jumping down the stairs and shooting them with a shotgun no different than in Modern Warfare 2019

[ebon beacon]

Carbines are just weaker version of ARs to be honest and they don't work well against someone who is equipping an Assault Rifles

[nimble bridge]

Thanks for sharing them, I will use these facts on people who thinks Battlefield should be a slog to play

[ebon beacon]

It wasn't a huge deal way back in BF4 the only reason why many people use the Assault class since it has a healing gadget plus most of the guns are really strong compared to other weapon class

[winter viper]

Idk Carbines are great. I prefer Engineers get decent weapons this BF.

[mint cobalt]

Recons literally have Respawned beacons as a double edge sword, they have snipers, they don't need to be in the conflict to be impactful

[rugged seal]

[ebon beacon]

If all weapons class has their own type of strong weapon (like in BFV) then it will encourage them to play their respective classes

[twin fractal]

I argue that reducing the movement options doesn't make for a more realistic game, it just makes your character dumber. Everything we've seen in Battlefield 5, you can do in real life. We just don't because our body often lacks the dexterity and resilience to do it a whole bunch. This isn't a problem in Battlefield so if it's truly an issue for these people, let us have the option to toggle on a stamina bar in custom servers or portal to limit the range of mobility people can do at a time

[ebon beacon]

Seriously every weapon types in BFV has their own strong weapon contender whether it be the FG-42 from the Support or the ZH-89/Krag from the Recon

[ebon beacon]

Same here

The PDWs were useless in BF4 and it was much better to switch into Carbines

[mossy marten]

ZH mentioned
🤮

[twin fractal]

I think the carbine category should dissolved. Let us mod ar's and pdw's into carbines I say

[nimble bridge]

I don't like carbines too but since they are in the game I hope they will balance them

[ebon beacon]

Yeah I know I know but they didn't balance that weapon 🤣

[mint cobalt]

I even thought about why not make the Fully automatic weapons (Assault, Carbine, and SMG) universal, while DMR is exclusive to Assault and Shotgun is exclusive to Engineer, since no one can agree which out of those three weapons class should be exclusive to which class

[ebon beacon]

Like the gunsmith in CoD MW19?

[mossy marten]

We need more weapons classes
DICE ADD A BATTLE RIFLE CATEGORY FOR ENGIS

[nimble bridge]

Please no

[twin fractal]

Yes. I think Battlefield would benefit from a gunsmith system

[mint cobalt]

you mean DMR

[mossy marten]

I disagree

[nimble bridge]

Please no

[ebon beacon]

Honestly not a bad idea instead of PDWs, let them have a Battle Rifles

[mossy marten]

Marskman rifle =|= Battle Rifle

[twin fractal]

With an asterisk though. If we get to mod magazines, make it like we only get 40 rnd magazines. No drum-mags please. Those were a disaster in 2042

[twin fractal]

Explain why?

[mint cobalt]

that's what they are called, I keep calling them DMR because of Halo

[nimble bridge]

I think we should get BF4 tier customization at most

[mossy marten]

Because

1. balancing nightmare
2. bloat
3. meta slaves to attachments

[twin fractal]

Battlefield 4's attachment system is already pretty similar to gunsmith.

[nimble bridge]

BF4's attachment system looks more similar to 2042 than gunsmithing

[mossy marten]

Marksman rifles are balanced to be strong, but only available in semi
Battle rifles would be full auto and higher damage, but high recoil

[nimble bridge]

2042 just replaced accessories with mags

[ebon beacon]

Tbf number 3 is already happening especially in BF4 with Stubby + Heavy Barrel combo

[nimble bridge]

It also looks stoopid af

[mossy marten]

For example
Marksman rifle would be SVD
Battle Rifle would be Scar H

[ebon beacon]

Also pretty much I agree

[mint cobalt]

now when you are saying Gunsmith are you referring to setting up your own Preset weapons? or just straight up what COD is doing?

[nimble bridge]

CoD

[mossy marten]

So if battle rifles existed, i would set it up as:

• Assasult: ARs
• Engineer: Battle Rifles
• Support: LMGs
• Recon: Snipers

Carbines, PDWs, Shotguns, and DMRs are open to all

[twin fractal]

1. it's a balancing nightmare for CoD because they never test their shit before it ships
2. Gunsmithing doesn't inherently require a giant selection of attachments, a choice of only 3 barrels or 3 stocks is more than fine enough.
3. Battlefield has to many moving pieces to create any kind of singular meta. CoD suffers from it because it's all built around the gun and the soldier. In battlefield you have the soldier, the range of the soldier, vehicles, tanks, helicopters, jets, drones, mortars, etc. Too many factors at play for any one efficient meta design to work for everyone.

The ACE-23 is the undeniably best gun in Battlefield 4 but you don't see everyone using it for example

[mossy marten]

Nearly forgot: wacky weapons like crossbow and similar

[nimble bridge]

Half the attachments in 2042 are still broken, do you think DICE will make a better job

They never fixed SWS barrel issue or SVK barrel issues

[twin fractal]

They'll have time to get them right.

2042's issues are built entirely on just lack of time

This battlefield has clearly gotten plenty of time and has lots more time to go

[nimble bridge]

1000+ days yet they never fixed SWS barrels bro, despite 2042 having like 20 weapons at launch

[mint cobalt]

if it is COD method, NO last thing I want is BF6 having hidden P2W mechanics, however I am not against the option of letting us save our weapons attachment

[ebon beacon]

Yeah pretty much but honestly would making DMR exclusive to the Recon have an impact? cuz I would like to see in a test

[nimble bridge]

Honestly CoD only keeps it because they can sell blueprints in shop

[mossy marten]

Not really
DMRs are kinda shitty in most BF games
Very rarely used class

[twin fractal]

Don't know what to tell you about their current priorities. But it shouldn't be a reflection of the next battlefield when the games still in pre-alpha

[tiny crystal]

Mostly true but there were at least two dmr builds that just destroyed in bf4

[twin fractal]

DMR's would benefit from Battlefield having open maps again where there are ranges between AR and Sniper to engage people in.

[mossy marten]

And how many DMRs were in the game? Like 14? Or somewhere around therr

[ebon beacon]

Phantom Program Bow pls and make sure that DICE won't make it available to everyone by picking it up via Battle Pick Ups

[nimble bridge]

Barrel issue of SWS is such an easy fix, issue is that extended or shortened barrel overrides the fire rate of mags, you have no reason to use close combat on SWS because shortened barrel will give you close combat RPM with let's say high power despite better damage model

[mint cobalt]

it comes back to what I said, Battlefield needs a better competitor then COD, COD is just a poison to Battlefield IMO

[tiny crystal]

Which is why i said mostly true lol

[mossy marten]

There's most likely gonna be larger maps for sure so they can implement jets and helis

[nimble bridge]

SVKs barrels are still bugged, extended is a straight upgrade because it doesn't change the fire rate

I don't think DICE can manage gunsmithing mess

[mossy marten]

Unpopular opinion:
I don't want attachments that change fire rate
Think of better cons that dont lower dps or just go bf4 style attachments

[twin fractal]

But will they be classic open maps with plenty of vehicles to use and no viable places for snipers or will it be 2042 open maps with not enough vehicles and every ridge if a sniper spot

[mossy marten]

We can only wait and see

[nimble bridge]

I prefer BF4 style customization or even 2042, 2042's issue was the mag selection

2042 customization without mags would be cool

[mossy marten]

I think the barrels were kinda weird in 2042, or the way they were balanced
But yes, no extended mags, unless it's hardline style where it's only 5 extra rounds and you give up other accessories

[mint cobalt]

well all I can say is Jet and Helicopter spawning in BF3 will never come back, and for good reason too

[naive fractal]

Idk how I want BF attachments to but I know I dont want a +/- system

hate that stuff

[nimble bridge]

Plus system is necessary evil to gatekeep gunsmithing imo

[mossy marten]

But bf4 has a pro/cons for most attachments (at least the muzzles and grips)

[naive fractal]

a purely positive system would be based

[mossy marten]

I could take it or leave it personally

[twin fractal]

I think if Extended magazines are present in the game they should give you a movement speed debuff.
The reason you don't see them in current armies much is because despite the smaller amount of magazines to carry, you're carrying way more ammo, and they're bigger which require bigger pouches so far more cumbersome.

[nimble bridge]

[naive fractal]

nah

[nimble bridge]

That 💩 killed MWII

[mossy marten]

If it's all positive benefits, the attachments should wildly varying positives for each attachment to be worth selecting

[mossy marten]

Mwii died because of more than that lol

[tiny crystal]

I feel like there are some logical cons that need to be there. I do agree with arbitrary negatives though that don't make sense from a how guns work stand point

[nimble bridge]

Single red dot = +200 ms ADS speed

[mossy marten]

• -aiming idle sway
• -movement speed

Then the gameplay decisions that were godawful

• visual recoil and decoupling being the worst ever in any game
• movement slower than a snails pace
• insane ttk

[twin fractal]

The weapon weight system did make some sense in MWII, if you put a drum mag, long barrel, solid stock, giant scope, large suppressor, a big foregrip and a box Lazer on your gun, it should be heavy as shit and reduce your overall speed to compensate for the benefits it gives.

[nimble bridge]

I don't want BF to have that, I like the consistent feel of BF games

ADS is consistent, running speed is consistent etc.

[twin fractal]

But when a basic red dot, stubby grip and a compensator are equalling to the same debuff levels, then yeah that's dumb as hell

[tiny crystal]

A gun being a few pounds heavier wouldn't cause any noticeable decrease in your running speed lol. ADS speed sure but even then not on a level that they'd do in a game.

[nimble bridge]

Only thing that should effect ADS/Sprint to Fire/Strafing speeds should be the weapon type

[twin fractal]

I'm not saying all the attachments need some kind of speed debuff. Just the drum mags to prevent people from defaulting to them because it's a straight upgrade from the regular magazine thus completely removing the need to use an LMG

[nimble bridge]

LMGs should be heavier and SMGs should be lighter but just because I used some attachments it shouldn't change the whole flow

[tiny crystal]

I agree with the sentiment there are better ways to have a con for it than speed

[nimble bridge]

Just remove drums, BF4 didn't had any extended mags and it worked fine

[mossy marten]

I think extended mags should be like hardline, 5 extra rounds and slightly longer reload

Otherwise, no other extended mags

[tiny crystal]

Exactly

[twin fractal]

I'm talking on the assumption that the next battlefield will get drum mags

[mint cobalt]

also obviously they shouldn't but if they did, jet combat in BF6 needs to allow the player base to go nuts and be more like Ace Combat d(-v-; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNigyBU9-vA&ab_channel=UnfinishedBusinessInGaming

[nimble bridge]

I hope not, if there is a drum or something like that it should replace your ''accessory'' tab so you get one less attachment at the cost of an extended mag

[twin fractal]

Battlefields air vehicle play already suffers enough from skill issue and now you want the jet players to play like it's an ace combat game?

[tiny crystal]

If the goal is to reinforce class roles this time around then you wouldn't want drum mags and you'd want class locked weapons. Let support with LMGs be the only ones for big mag gun roles

[ebon beacon]

I hated that thing during MWII cuz why would a Red Dot decreases your ADS especially if it's a 1x sight

[tiny crystal]

Drum mags also diminish the need for part of what the support class provides as you'll likely die before needing ammo lol.

[ebon beacon]

Good thing I skip 2042 since I don't have any opinions about the drum mags

[tiny crystal]

I mean it's existence really wasn't some insane menace outside just being objectively best to take.

[tall urchin]

It's probably there just to punish M&K players because they need a clear optic unlike roller

[trail stump]

how do i fix this ?

[ebon beacon]

We're already getting punished since CoD has a strong Aim Assist

[trail stump]

OOPS!
The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest."

[tall urchin]

Exactly, game isn't built for skill gaps it's just meant to be a very controlled and repeatable experience

Always play in your skill group, always everyone has some semblance of mechanical skill without needing mechanical skill.

[topaz cave]

pls remove sliding omgf

[gleaming dagger]

🙅‍♂️

[slender ocean]

f22

[leaden nexus]

Random thought: Class-restricted weapons a-la Battlefield 4 should comeback.

Also, bring back the Ribbons, Medals, and Service Stars!!!

[twin fractal]

I'd just like a server browser please

[leaden nexus]

Yess that too!

[topaz cave]

why

[twin zenith]

Should be a must

[twin fractal]

If you can aim at someone crouching, you can aim at someone sliding. Otherwise skill issue

[ebon beacon]

Yep plus sliding already locks in into a animation that you can't change until the end of the slide

Plus in the leaks you can't aim with it nor hipfire with it since your gun is on your side when doing it

[topaz cave]

if you really want sliding, i think they should do bf1 sliding instead

[ebon beacon]

Which version that one that is useless where you can't use to get into cover or the useful one that can be used to get into cover?

[mossy marten]

They want the one where you trip on nothing

[topaz cave]

get the cod movement fuck out from battlefield

i hate cod sliding

bf1 sliding is still good

[ebon beacon]

Might as well said that when they added Dolphin Dive way back in Battlefield 2

[mossy marten]

Having a slide doesn't equal CoD movement

[mossy marten]

Or when mantling was added to bf3

[topaz cave]

as long it's not like cod like

[ebon beacon]

Ah yes the useless one where it can't be used to get into covers quickly even if it's a last ditch effort

[mossy marten]

All the movement in BF is just a copy of CoD let's be honest

[topaz cave]

the distance btw

[ebon beacon]

Agree

[topaz cave]

yes

[ebon beacon]

Which is awful you guys are saying that it should be a last ditch effort but in BF1 you can't even use the current slide as a last ditch effort so idk what are you guys are trying to point out? 🤣

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much the truth since they can add penalties to it like unable to spam it, hip-fire and aiming while doing it which what DICE is already doing

[mossy marten]

If they really don't want a slide
They can go do their afghan v US portal servers with 1000% dmg/bullet velocity and no skill expression whatsoever

[lethal crypt]

Yea either this or the BF4 model where carbine was all class and SMG was engineer

[ebon beacon]

Fr I mean Portal mode was already confirmed in the next BF by Flakfire

[mossy marten]

And it's gonna be xp/attachment farm servers and wanna be milsim ones

[ebon beacon]

*sighs* Pretty much

[mossy marten]

It's a shame, portal could've been so cool with awesome modes/ideas
But we get that instead

[topaz cave]

cod jerklord

i wish they will remove tac run

[mossy marten]

Well that's gone this next game
And tac sprint is whatever, i could take it or leave it

[mossy marten]

Also

[topaz cave]

2 balls

[mossy marten]

I would respond, but I'm not trynna get timed out

[covert nest]

Weak.

It's really funny seeing people randomly mad over movement.

[ebon beacon]

They already removed it plus the movement speed is already on par with BF3 and BF4 movement speed

[mint cobalt]

if there is one thing I am okay Battlefield getting that is from Call of Duty? it is the composer Hans Zimmer & Lorne Balfe who did the music for MW2 (2009) d(-v-

[covert nest]

Bf5 era slide was simple.

[covert nest]

I think sonic mayhem would do really well too

The guy who did the quake 2 soundtrack.

[topaz cave]

so yeah

[covert nest]

Yeah what.

People will abuse movement no matter what.

[mint cobalt]

and this is coming from someone who listen to Inception Soundtrack whenever I played Operation Metro d(<v<;

[ebon beacon]

Big facts in Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 people are jump peeking constantly

[topaz cave]

i just hope they dont change battlefield to face-paced shooter like cod

[ebon beacon]

Honestly why not? Since both of them did great when composing the songs in MW2 and they can nail composing the next Battlefield soundtrack

[topaz cave]

i dont want to meet fricking adhd cod player on high in battlefield

[covert nest]

You do realise battlefield allows for both slow and fast paced playestyles right.

It's a very accessible game.

[topaz cave]

🤷‍♂️

[covert nest]

It isn't arma.

[topaz cave]

ik

not too arma, not too cod

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much the top scoring players that has high kills are doing fast-paced or they're using vehicles

[topaz cave]

i love bf1 and bf4 movement

[covert nest]

Battlefields pacing for the most part has been super consistent.

[topaz cave]

this may sound ass but please add team switch

call me weak or bad but im tired of losing

maybe they should add something like you can switch team once

or, you can't switch team in late game

[misty anvil]

Why GTA 6 And Battlefield 2025 Are Deferent?

[winter viper]

Um, where you been idk the last like 14 years lol

[topaz cave]

ok?

[radiant heath]

Been playing Arma Reforger a lot lately. I hope they bring back the BFV fortifications building mechanic, but it'd also be kinda cool if they took a note from Arma and made it so base capping took a little longer if there's a bunch of fortifications built

I like the way bullet velocity and tracers work in Reforger too

[fresh moat]

Not gonna discuss the leaks. Just wondering how DICE feels about them atm. The discussion around them has been mostly positive and the vibes around the upcoming Battlefield are rather positive. Maybe DICE likes that people have leaked stuff or at least they don't mind them?

That said, maybe they regret sending invites to some people who have leaked material - in which case I for example would have been a better playtester since I would not have borken the NDA 🙂

[radiant heath]

I imagine the leaks were calculated as part of the overall strategy when they announced Labs. It's a low-stakes way to get a massive amount of consumer feedback when people see leaks but are able to deflect a lot of criticism under the guise of it being such an early stage

I think it's great though, so many small games do open playtesting and early access with development transparency nowadays and I hope to see larger studios take notes

[fresh moat]

I agree, it's awesome. I would be surprised if DICE did not expect the leaks to happen, so they must have calculated for them.

[tepid plinth]

Seems contradictory seeing as even without exploits bf4 is the most movement oriented of the games

[gleaming dagger]

he doesnt know what he talkin about

bro only press W n Shift

[tepid plinth]

I do find this movement discussion funny though.

It’s important to have since it fundamentally alters how the game plays moment to moment, but it really outlines just how much it’ll be impossible to please everyone, and just how varied people’s experiences are

[ebon beacon]

Which is why it's much better to stick into their version and refined on it with some feedbacks from the community taken like what David Sirland tweeted recently
https://x.com/tiggr_/status/1903744143609712986?s=46&t=_laNp-ESBQI2E70M5JYv_w

The current movement from the leaks seems to be fine already and looks balanced so far

[tepid plinth]

As it should be done

If they took every piece of feedback as gospel and tried to implement it, we’d have a mess of a game

[azure elbow]

Is it be a manual lean on the new battlefield??? I would like to see it... Is going to be ridiculous to now have it in 2026!

[thin pulsar]

Yes

[tepid plinth]

There’s auto lean, don’t know about manual

[ruby merlin]

In battlefield 4 the movement is faster then the speed of labs and there's jumping around and all that, what's your point?

Like all I've seen you do is complain when there's nothing to complain about

If you don't want arcade then play a milsim

🤦‍♂️

[feral garden]

There is no manual lean so far. I also dont think it is needed.

[feral garden]

Ive seen people say "I hope they dont make it like COD"...as if COD hasnt had some really cool gameplay stuff in the last 20 years.

Just say you dont want movement to be too fast.

[tepid plinth]

And people have been saying it for 10 years anyway

In my eyes, a good mechanic that adds to the game is a good mechanic regardless of where it came from

Simply disregarding something because it’s from another franchise is singleminded

[thin pulsar]

There is manual lean

[feral garden]

Not seen it anywhere myself, just contextual lean on corners, or peaking on half walls

[thin pulsar]

the clip is very similar to CoD, where once you mount/lean on a wall. It will stay in such position while aiming in different directions.

[feral garden]

Thats not manual leaning tho

[thin pulsar]

There is a small prompt to attach to the wall. But no button

unless it is auto and the angle is very difficult to find

[feral garden]

You just lean and peak around the corner/cover the same as with BF4

Its called contextual leaning/peaking.

[thin pulsar]

but it is much more mechanical that previous BF games

as I said you attach yourself to the wall. Not just peak

[feral garden]

I mean, it looks the same, they just have a UI element for when you can do it now

Im not sure how the mounting works, ive seen it too, but am unsure how sticky it is

[thin pulsar]

fairly sticky when peaking. Haven’t seen a vertical mount tho

[gleaming dagger]

its morre like MW II lean

[feral garden]

I dont think its sticky at all when corner leaning

[thin pulsar]

Ye

[feral garden]

But I saw a clip of mount where the mount stayed in place when moving left and right. Moving on the corner disengaged the lean

Mounting is one area im happy they are improving. Its very inconsistent in V and 2042. Bipod use in 2042 is especially bad.

[thin pulsar]

That the clip with the white textured gun?

[feral garden]

I dont want to go into specific on leaked stuff TBH. Otherwise it will have people seeking them out. (and mods dont want that)

https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-but-yes-dwayne-johnson-gif-10423800

[thin pulsar]

Fair

[tepid plinth]

both exist btw, in that same segment you can see both auto lean and the attaching thing

the gun tilts to signify a lean, with the ui element as the attaching to the wall

[feral garden]

Yeah, it looks good so far IMO

the corner UI element might be not totally needed. Would be nice to be able to disable all those things also

[tepid plinth]

can't see myself really using it much anyway

the barrel will definitely be visible, and I prefer keeping my distance for the geometric advantage

[feral garden]

Well corner lean is super advantageous

[tepid plinth]

it's just been built into my general gameplay to slice the corner from a little further back so getting up close even with edge peeking just isn't something I do very much

[azure elbow]

Having manual lean, becomes more tactical... Otherwise everyone is going to run like cod (arcade)... We want more tactical, more realistic.... Is not realistic running like Fortnite, cod... In real situations, soldiers are leaning, non picking!!! 🫡

[feral garden]

Dear lord to people even listen to themselves

[covert nest]

Leaning is something I don't want to be abusing again like I did in bf5.

[tepid plinth]

any % try not to mention cod challenge

even though cod has leaning

[feral garden]

Manual leaning is worse for tactical gameplay in a game like this. this isnt some slow paced mega high TTK milsim. Manual lean will just have people macro AD and Lean left right to win gunfights

[thin pulsar]

there has been auto leaning for ages, on a minimal level

[tepid plinth]

oh yeah, way did you see my diabolical tripmine play by any chance? Inspired by your claymore shinanigans

[covert nest]

In my experience lean ad spam on bf5 wasn't good.

Ironically

I spammed leaning around corners like mad and people only saw your head.

[feral garden]

Look at Delta force right now, people use crouch, AD and manual lean spam to avoid shots. Its looks so stupid in a game like that.

Let them add it if they want, it wont affect me at all. But this notion that manual leaning makes a game more tactical is nonsense.

[azure elbow]

That's why you don't need to run like a noob... There is a lot of tactical approach to do .. smoking then run... You're all cod players that's why!

[thin pulsar]

Squad 🤷‍♂️

[covert nest]

Make sense in what you say.

[feral garden]

Literally proving what I just said

Thanks tho

[thin pulsar]

Squad is less Arcady than BF

[feral garden]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

[leaden trout]

Why every game after bf1 is not a Battlefield game, why is it so hard for DICE to make a game, when I played BFBC2 no one was calling for pre-alphas testing for BF3, the game just had BETA and they released it

[thin pulsar]

I’ve always found I use leaning only in tactical games. Especially games like 6 days in Fallujah

[feral garden]

BF is not a mega high TTK milsim...you dont play squad and BF the same way

[leaden trout]

Same from BF3 to BF4

[feral garden]

Yeah, cos BF4 released in a really good state! /s

[thin pulsar]

I just think BF is too slow for manual leaning to be a CoD replicated movement

[leaden trout]

remember when we wanted scoreboard for BF2042 what DICE said, the TECH ISN"T THERE

[leaden trout]

Want to tell you why?

[feral garden]

They can add it as optional for sure. I have no issue with its addition. But this notion that it will make BF tactical is not true. It will help some players feel like the game is more tactical, thats about it

[feral garden]

this literally didnt happen

[tepid plinth]

for some people the visuals of leaning or similar such systems are all that people need to be convinced something is tactical

[leaden trout]

because 95% of the directors, and lead team that made BF3 and BF4 and BF1 today is gone in tin air

[feral garden]

Why do people say this like some gotcha for the franchise?>

[covert nest]

You do know it's been almost a decade since bf1.

[feral garden]

BF2s people were all gone by the time BF4 released, also, whats your point?

[safe moat]

Agreed. For a game as big as BF manual leaning is not really a good thing, however smaller games like Siege, it works very well there

[tepid plinth]

not like it's impossible for people to play and study older games

[covert nest]

I never really saw leaning as a tactical thing it just meant I could avoid a good chunk of fire by peeking by head over a wall.

Like ok thanks game.

Contextual leaning might turn into manual leaning we don't know.

[leaden trout]

Yes it did

[feral garden]

No, it didnt. You are mistaking one statement for another.

they literally never said the tech for adding a scoreboard wasnt there

[leaden trout]

hmm give me a second okey to find that statment

[covert nest]

Yeah they never said that for 2042. The whole tech comment was on double xp on battlefield 5.

[safe moat]

For a slow paced one life game as Siege, leaning has its tactical purpose. But in any game where you can respawn that purpose of leaning goes away

[tepid plinth]

wasn't 'we don't have the tech' regarding double exp weeks? I know DannyOnPC keeps referring to it but you know how statements lose context easily here

[covert nest]

Yeah

Was quite the statement.

[tepid plinth]

my favourite out of context statement is the brutal expectations one

[covert nest]

It takes one guy to say that.

And they can never escape it.

[leaden trout]

how can i add image?

here

[azure elbow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/farP4TI8C8w?si=lokPnWrpDTBmaxAy

[covert nest]

They can't even acknowledge the game came out as broken because it opens for say more shit.

[safe moat]

You can’t. The only role that allowed doing it is no longer given to people

[covert nest]

By the way bullet i saw your video i just don't have perms to speak there.

Yeah they don't exactly give perms to anyone.

Not anyone

But just don't do it anymore

[tepid plinth]

and honestly I agree with him for the most part, regarding working over christmas holidays

[leaden trout]

but links to images it can

[tepid plinth]

it's people dissect random comments so intently that nobody there can catch a break

[covert nest]

Yeah just post the image

Lonk

Link

[tepid plinth]

you can't speak in the clips channel?

Doesn't everyone have access to that?

[feral garden]

Who said it?

[covert nest]

@tepid plinth

[feral garden]

Yeah, I dont have perms to post there either

[covert nest]

So stupid lol

[leaden trout]

@covert nest how did u attach that image

[feral garden]

I have it everywhere else tho lol

[covert nest]

I'm a legacy mod?

[feral garden]

Magic

Just say who said it

[leaden trout]

tell me I really need it to make a point here

[tepid plinth]

eh? That's strange

[safe moat]

Legacy Mod + Regular role(you can’t get this one anymore)

[feral garden]

You cant post images. You were told twice already, and how to get around it

Just say who said it, and we will be able to figure it out from there.

[leaden trout]

ok

[azure elbow]

Let me play how I would like to play ... Put me manual lean and then you run like cod/Fortnite, after 3 times you will understand that you don't need to run like noob!

[feral garden]

After corner camp 1 youll be eating a rocket to the face, and no more corner to peak

[tepid plinth]

or get prefired by someone who is checking angles and then complain that they know where you are

[covert nest]

"Run like (a) noob" alright dude go back to sitting in the bottom of the scoreboard without many contributions.

Those people who clear out the point are the ones that help you win games..

[leaden trout]

So The Battlefield section from EA's Investor's Dau has started to generate
sparks of hypefor the new game. It'll certainly be different, because 98% of the
people who made previous Battlefield games such as BF3, BF4 and BF1 have left DICE/EA. Dice imploaded and this new crew is trying to build things back up...
Original game developers are gone, now new team needs to make BF from scratch
because the old team look how many of them are in DICE
https://puu.sh/KqwH3/98b3d2522e.png
https://puu.sh/KqwH7/c319697657.png
https://puu.sh/KqwHj/aae6a9e9c4.png
this is just what I can pull up till now

[tepid plinth]

this wasn't related to the 'they don't have the tech' quote

[feral garden]

How does this proove they said they dont have the tech for a scoreboard. which is what you said you were going to prove

[leaden trout]

ah the tech wait

[feral garden]

Bro really does have the memory of a goldfish

Bro I worked on a game for Disney last year, and once it was completed and all contracts ran out, my team lost 70% of itself. This is nothing strange in the games industry. I dont get what you are trying to prove here

[tepid plinth]

it's hardly breathtaking news

[rugged seal]

no wonder i always had this channel muted

[leaden trout]

Sorry it was about double XP events where dice says doesn't happen because there is not tech for it

[feral garden]

We know

😄

[leaden trout]

in BFV

[tepid plinth]

just make sure to double check quotes before repeating them

out of context quotes have done a lot of harm

[leaden trout]

So how can the tech isn't there for double XP

[tepid plinth]

or just misunderstood ones

[feral garden]

Bf 2042 has tech for double, triple or quad XP. so its an unecessary question to answer.

[leaden trout]

I am not sayin this on my own this are DICEs words

https://puu.sh/KqwQM/429161f200.png

[feral garden]

We know...why bring up quotes from a 7 year old game looking for answers tho?

[leaden trout]

For me if the new BF game doesn;t have these it fails
https://puu.sh/KqwGT/4e27fa6860.png

cuz that what is core battlefield and that;s all about

[feral garden]

60% of the stuff on that list literally doesnt matter

[mint cobalt]

to through more of this weird hobby of mine, here is the Music I picked for Vanilla BF4 Maps

[leaden trout]

maybe

[mint cobalt]

Seige of Shanghai - Battle L.A./Avengers

Paracel Storm - POTC Dead Man Chest/At Worlds End

Flood Zone - Tomb Raider 2013

Operation Locker - Dark Knight Rises

Golmud Railway - Halo Reach

Dawnbreaker - Black Ops 2

Hainan Resort - FFXIII/ FFXIII-2

Lancang Dam - MGS4

Zevod 311 - Gears of War 2

[feral garden]

I am mega confused as to what this is about lol

[mint cobalt]

just click on what I am reply too and it'll explain my insanity (-.-;

[leaden trout]

how easy was in battlelog in BF3 and BF4 to just alt+tab and see the live scoreboard on the server you play and click on the player you want to see who is he and at what is good at the most, just click the name and all stats page comes out, oh and I see that guy have 1000hrs of jets I dont go in jets and pure and simple

[feral garden]

Wont happen as console players shouldnt need to use an external app to view essential information

[leaden trout]

ok but let it be in-game

as BF4 later added

[feral garden]

All of this stuff should be integrated into the game, not split to websites and companion apps

Same with a possible commander mode. It should be usable from a comand station in home base in the map. Not triggered from outside the game/an app

[leaden trout]

sure I agree, they started on web pages so maybe thats why we kinda still have that feeling tho

[mint cobalt]

I believe DICE learned that mistake with Battlelog

[leaden trout]

what mistake

[feral garden]

Battlelog was a great tool. They did a really good job with it, but stuff like that should be built into the game

[mint cobalt]

tying BF3 Multiplayer to a Web Brower

and Campaign as well

[leaden trout]

👍

[mint cobalt]

also to explain that weird list, basically I have a habit of selecting which Music Album will fit in each Battlefield Map

been doing that from BF3 to BF2042, and will be doing it for BF6 as well

[manic gate]

nah BF is actually this super deep milsim. And anything that remotely even aids the player is arcadey kiddie BS

[mint cobalt]

to be honest BF6 should drop the infinite stamina sprint, we are supposed to be soldiers not super soldiers

[safe moat]

while i kinda agree, i think Battlelog should be fully implemented to the game UI, not be its own website

[tepid plinth]

what benefit would that serve?

I know from arma it makes transport vehicles more beneficial, but they already are useful for convenience sake

and it'll prompt you to 'rest up' a bit before crossing big open terrain

but not really something i've considered

[nova cloak]

Walking only

[mint cobalt]

nothing really I mean infinite Stamina Sprint is a COD thing, and Battlefield shouldn't be like COD (<v<;

[tepid plinth]

any reason besides just 'because'?

[mint cobalt]

I also am talking out of my ass right now

[feral garden]

Stamina was only a thing in BF2 and 2142 anyway. All other games had infinite stamina.

So I guess BF has been like COD since 2008

[gleaming dagger]

man BF shoudn't be like cod thing is getting redicilous man

i guess everyother fps game is like cod then now

[mint cobalt]

Not really earlier Halo titles were way different compared to COD, same goes for DOOM, Quake and Wolfenstein

[feral garden]

Doom, Quake and Wolfenstein are no longer MP games.

[versed token]

You need the community creations role to post in the community channels btw

You can get it in channels and roles under the event thingy

[mint cobalt]

Do you mean me?

[versed token]

Well for anyone that wants to post there

[tepid plinth]

we had a discussion about it earlier

[versed token]

Cause is saw yall talking about it

[safe moat]

I mean, up until a point BF and COD was similar, then COD changed itself majorly, BF tried to copy but failed(2042) and now while COD is at its changed state BF is going back to its origins

[feral garden]

Ironically, COD is also going back

[mint cobalt]

Well I haven’t posted anything the would be deemed under Community Creation?

[safe moat]

yea but its not going back to its original state, it is going back as a imitation from what i see

[tepid plinth]

i swear every game is going back to it's roots now

[mint cobalt]

Well except for Halo

[feral garden]

Every franchise RN

[tepid plinth]

that's actually so true

[feral garden]

Halo is not exactly in the best state either

[gleaming dagger]

can't blame them tbh they try to inovate but fail

[tepid plinth]

big assassin's creed fan, their last 3 games has had 'back to roots' in it's marketing consistently

[mint cobalt]

That is actually a good way to describe the current predicament of so many franchises d(0v0

[gleaming dagger]

they should innovate gamemode instead of gameplay mechanics look Breaktrough

maybe we should change conquest a little bit instead just giving more objective (sector) like in 2042 we add something if we capture it

i believe lvlcap have his tought on this

[versed token]

Well they did make several event gamemodes for 2042

[feral garden]

You mean levelcaps script writer has some thoughts on this haha

[versed token]

don't think many were that popular

[gleaming dagger]

oh idk that

lol

yeah like that

[gleaming dagger]

control is fun tbh

[feral garden]

Yeah, they have used script writers for content for years. Lossy (If you know that channel) used to write BF content scripts for them

[gleaming dagger]

ahh ok then the writer did the idea

[slow estuary]

The Dead Space zombies one got to be one of the worst zombie gamemode I've seen in a video game

[feral garden]

The modes need a bit more interactivity. Things to do on the maps thats not just fighting and capturing.

[slow estuary]

Some were fun, but it was almost always "capture this" or "press e on that for 10s"

[feral garden]

Ill give you an example of something in current game, that could have been an interactive element.

2042 Orbital - Rocket launch.

The launch is triggered by players and a countdown starts. Once launch is initiated, it cant be stopped. Players on either side can sabotage the launch via interaction with a control panel, which would disable some of the boosters. Resulting in explosion on launch. You can also un-sabotage it, by re-enabling the boosters

I would prefer something like this, over having to sit there and fire rockets at the launchpad to get the explosion event.

[gleaming dagger]

remind me of carrier assault

but instead not a carrier but a rocket lol

[feral garden]

Same in BF4 floodzone, The dam could have been destroyable via a shape charge, instead of having players stand there and shoot it with rockets. Said charge can be planted, or defused by either team

[gleaming dagger]

i miss carrier assault

[scenic owl]

I assume the bigger sys requirements are due to the new physics engine

watching Jack's latest video talking about the destruction and it sounds very detailed

he says there's an example of a grenade getting thrown into a room and when it explodes it kicks up dust and even causes a hanging lightbulb to swing about. and the light being cast by the bulb swings with it

[quick merlin]

I mean, yeah?

But that specific example was capable back in bf1

Even bf4 in certain areas

[scenic owl]

plz god no

don't make all weapons available for every class

[tepid plinth]

I do hope they restrict them, barring a carbine or some sort on recons

Feels really important to having each class feel really unique

One thing I can praise bf1 for greatly

[scenic owl]

2042 is a breeding ground for Engineers

if you can carry whichever primary you want AND a rocket launcher, everyone will pick engi

the support drought in 2042 is insane

it only changes when you're on an infantry map

most 2042 team lineups are like 17 engineers, 4 assaults, 6 supports, and 5 recons

it's so fucked

but i can't blame them for picking engineer because the vehicle spam is so broken in 2042

if there aren't enough people throwing rockets at tanks or helicopters, they will completely sweep the lobby

this also prevents new players from wanting to learn the vehicles because they'll get in a tank for instance, push to a point, and get 5 rockets shoved up their ass

[fleet robin]

good fuck tanks

[nimble bridge]

No slide cancelling = no buy

[feral garden]

Isnt the case in 2042. engineer is the 3rd least used class.

[nimble bridge]

👆

[feral garden]

Assault > support > engineer > recon. In a game where you can use any weapon class and have rockets. So this logic is flawed.

[scenic owl]

every game of conquest 64 i play, engineer is the dominant class in terms of numbers

unless it's on Redacted or a smaller map

[feral garden]

Rockets arent even the issue for vehicles in 2042. C5 is a far bigger problem. I rarely get killed by rockets in vehicles.

[scenic owl]

that too

[silk jackal]

C5 is super weak though... compared to C4 previously

[quick merlin]

wdym, squirrel suit in, c5, ez

[feral garden]

No, it isnt. Its exactly the same strength as BF3,4,1 and V

3 to kill anywhere on a vehicle, 2 on the rear.

[silk jackal]

its far weaker than previous games.... that's what it feels like for me, Im a frequent C4 users 😛

or I was

[nimble bridge]

Literally other way around, CoD had limited stamina and still has limited tac sprint, BF had unlimited sprint since BC

[feral garden]

Vehicle armor is also lesser than BFV, which makes the C5 even stronger

[scenic owl]

i rarely use C4/5

i prefer a rocket

[fleet robin]

rockets are just so much cooler

[silk jackal]

usually I use C4 on infantry, its like fishing 😛

[feral garden]

the most popular engineer can carry rocket and C5 lol

[scenic owl]

i prefer rockets because range and has anti air potential

i know you can c5 aircraft but i'm not an olympic gymnast

[scenic owl]

i replace the c5 with mines

[feral garden]

Why, they are more situational, and have less utility

[fleet robin]

ngl i don't remember the last time i saw a mine do anything to anyone

[scenic owl]

covers more area

prevents backcappers

[feral garden]

I think ive been killed by mines twice in all of 2042. Across 1300 hours

[mint cobalt]

I believe Anti Tank mines are sleeper hits…

[scenic owl]

and mines can be used in place of C5

[feral garden]

Mines only work on n00bs

[silk jackal]

wish u could bury the mines to make it look less visible, but I always end up driving on them either way xD

[feral garden]

As soon as you look at them, a big mine icon appears, they are so useless.

[misty anvil]

What Battlefield™ 2025 Should Added From?

[feral garden]

Mines used to be burried, but they made them more elevated and larger 2 years ago

[scenic owl]

that would be awful

[nimble bridge]

Mines are useful with combos 😛

[scenic owl]

put mines in choke points. free kills

[versed token]

I've died to mines a few times, mainly because they didn't render so i just drove over them

[scenic owl]

put them in craters too

[mint cobalt]

Normally it is best to place AT mine in craters created by tank bullets

[nimble bridge]

One tank was coming towards me and I threw 2 mines to the ground and sent a rocket to it, I was under smoke though so when he was coming for a roadkill he got blown up

[scenic owl]

when a driver is trying to fight or is panicking, they won't stop to check for mines

[mint cobalt]

But I always find it funny getting a notification of a kill I wasn’t around for

[quick merlin]

Or you do what people did in bfv and dump them on runways

(dick move)

[scenic owl]

that was a terrible design choice

[quick merlin]

yet everyone wants runways and spawn vehicle stealing back

[fleet robin]

we need more suicide anti tank solutions

bfv was the most fun AT experience in the franchise

[scenic owl]

mfw drones

[fleet robin]

real

[versed token]

We need modern day lunge mines

[fleet robin]

yes

throw AT grenade, dump all your rockets on it, charge and die heroically

[silk jackal]

works well in Squad at least ^^

[mint cobalt]

And that’s why Jets will forever spawn in from the sky then spawning on the runway in BF3, that and also to prevent spawn kills

[scenic owl]

that's cus Squad is a hardcore milsim

[silk jackal]

I wouldnt call that hardcore milsim.

its half way

[fleet robin]

it's far closer to hardcore milsim than battlefield

[silk jackal]

but it has roots to BF2 though

[fleet robin]

means nothing

things change

[feral garden]

Mines in past BF games were also partially burried. So im not sure where this "Its only viable in a milsim" idea is coming from

[silk jackal]

the creators came from the modders of Project reality in BF2

[mint cobalt]

Oh better yet bring back Jets spawning on the runway and make the base AA Guns more useful then what they were in BF3 and BF4

[silk jackal]

people are narrowminded ^^

[mossy marten]

[tepid plinth]

people also said this about player dragging

[gleaming dagger]

player dragging in this current state is already impressive tbh

idc what people think it want to be more realistic but what we have now is already good

the ragdoll physics is good enough when dragging

[tepid plinth]

I said way back when that a squad style drag would work perfectly

[mossy marten]

I was worried that dragging would be a separate thing from rezzing, but being able to drag only while rezzing is better

Prevents trolls from perma dragging you everywhere

Well mostly

[fleet robin]

i was worried that dragging would be useless

but reviving while dragging does make it pretty handy

[tepid plinth]

A very clever solution

[versed token]

That's way better than making it two separate actions

That like all games do

[quick merlin]

If only they copied prox chat...

I doubt they ever would though

[mossy marten]

Prox chat is overrated af

[quick merlin]

I can't think of any situation where prox chat has made a game actively worse

[nimble bridge]

We need enemy dragging 🥶

[versed token]

Well there's plenty of people out there that just blast their music

[mossy marten]

Absolutely not

[versed token]

or eat in open mic

or just have a loud af household blasting in the mic

[mossy marten]

Or just straight slurs being dropped

[nimble bridge]

Enemy dragging + voip, imagine the possibilities 🤣

[quick merlin]

That just sounds like a voip issue tbh

Like if you're gonna have voip at all (they might not), making it prox would be great

[fleet robin]

every shooter with voip ever made:

ok not all of them but holy shit sometimes prox chat is just not needed

[versed token]

It is nice in theory but people just abuse it

[quick merlin]

Did you guys never play battlebit on launch? Arma reforger? Squad? Hell Let Loose?

Prox is the backbone of those games

[fleet robin]

notice how all of those are very far from battlefield

[mossy marten]

Yes, battle bit was slurs 50 of the time and the other people who don't know how to mute

[fleet robin]

and even then they have their issues

prox chat works best in milsim because people actually care about communication there

it'd be funny to have it in battlefield but i think that's it

[silk jackal]

that would be funny xD

[silk jackal]

its always fun to taunt the enemy though

although on BF games... it'll be mainly mic noise, cancer and heaving breathing noise

people dont really say anything useful on VOIP in BF.... just pure toxicity

[quick merlin]

I feel like i've played wildly different servers here. Sure you run into the occasional dude with open mic in battlebit but 9/10 times it was actual comms

Though HLL and squad are huge games in my region so maybe its that

Idk, even as an opt-in feature I'd appreciate it

[gleaming dagger]

Would be funny lol

i would drag around my nemesis

[mossy marten]

my quite regular post of Dice needs to bring back hotwire for the next game

[past furnace]

Hi

[scenic owl]

i don't get the prob with prox voice chat

if you don't like it you can just turn it off

there's no way they'll force it and not have an option to disable it

[tawny roost]

just a out of context opinion, i like the radio option in bf2042 in vehicles, the music gives a vibe when doing a road kill.

[scenic owl]

yea it's a nice lil touch

[coarse bone]

I find the movements slower than BF 2042

[mossy marten]

Well yeah, sprint speed is slower than 2042, on par with bf4/3

[feral garden]

One possible issue with prox chat is that if you design a game thats reliant on it for inter squad/team comms, it can be really annoying for those who dont want to hear constant screeching from random players.

Additionally, while Im not personally affected by it, almost every game with prox chat ive played has had random players screaming slurs into their mic. Moreso common in casual/accessible FPS games like battlebit/COD, than it is in the likes of Arma tho

[honest cliff]

Prox chat would probably also be good bcs it would encourage people to TURN THEIR MIC ON which nobody does in 2042

[feral garden]

No one ever has in BF games, going back to BF2

[mossy marten]

Nah, pass
Imma stay on discord VCs

[feral garden]

I dont know why people say other games have had players using VOIP, its simply not true at all

[radiant heath]

Prox chat will probs work for the BR, or whatever third mode they're making

I don't wanna hear people talk in warfare mode lol, use the squad commands, pings, and text chat

[covert nest]

Voip is fine until someone plays "Illegals in yard" on full volume.

Now I will admit it's funny at first.

But it gets real annoying after a while.

[coarse bone]

Do you know If the next laps tests will be communicated on the chat?

[mossy marten]

🤷‍♂️
if they do a blog post, then that indicates a test is that same day
otherwise, they will not say if there's a test going on

[deft basalt]

That's true, at least on PC. I've been playing BF on PC since 2015 and in all of those 10 years, i only heard like 3 people on VIOP and none of them used it to actually communicate with the squad. It was just people who forgot to mute themself. I remember there was that french guy swearing because he got killed. It was quiet funny tho hear haha

[coarse bone]

@mossy marten Too bad he doesn't send email anonym

[mossy marten]

well there's lots of us waiting for invites to Labs
but with the amount who signed up and how much they're probably going to invite, it's like winning the lottery essentially

[tepid plinth]

Quite surprised by that to be honest. I’ve been playing squad for near enough a decade now and the extent of comms has been genuine communication, roleplay stuffs or singing songs, I’ve heard very little of that

[mossy marten]

[feral garden]

I wouldnt call squad a casual or accessible fps to be fair.

[scenic owl]

i tried post scriptum and hell let loose and hated both

no idea what i was doing. walked for 5 minutes to get to the action. got shot by a bush

they're more fun if you can overlook the lack of structure and embrace the realism

which i can't do

i'm too used to video games having structure and mechanics

[nimble bridge]

I hope enemy dragging is also in BR, it would make me play it 😂

[scenic owl]

people gonna be dragging their downed squadmates out of the ring and leaving them there

[mossy marten]

well you can't drag without rezzing
so you can't troll with that as easily

[scenic owl]

oh maybe it'll get changed

[mossy marten]

i hope to god not, separating draggin and rezzing would be awful

[scenic owl]

yea wouldn't make sense

would be like throwing ammo to teammates but they have to press a button to accept the ammo

like why add an extra step

[scenic owl]

also if we're gonna have weapon skins in the next game, can they please more practical

the onslaught of Destiny-esque skins in 2042 is tiring

like wraps or tape are fine

but don't turn it into a cartel leader's wet dream

[mossy marten]

gimme gold gun

[scenic owl]

at least it's not like CoD

chasing that fortnite audience

[half halo]

6.2k upvotes on that post complaining about slides...

Yeah I think we are cooked if DICE listen to these idiots

[mossy marten]

[scenic owl]

what post

oh

"Unpopular Opinion: Sliding Doesn't Belong in Battlefield."

i like sliding but i don't like slide cancelling

that shit is so annoying

the sweats that constantly slide and then jump are so annoying

[honest cliff]

Slide cancelling in any FPS is disgustingly annoying

[scenic owl]

sliding itself is fine if it isn't abused

just make it so you can't jump when you slide

[silk jackal]

you're too used to linear shooters in other words

[scenic owl]

describe "linear shooters"

[safe moat]

like i dont know how people can love Realistic Milsim slop, I used to like it back in the day but they are boring AF and i stopped playing them

[mossy marten]

shit back when mw19 came out i hated the slide cancelling and all that shit, but when mwII came out, i was like, "yknow, i was too harsh on slides and stuff that aren't nutered to cater to the realism nerds"

mw2 and bf1 having very similar movement styles made it very apparent the something is needed to not get beamed for crossing open spaces

[radiant heath]

smoke nades were so good in BF1 lol

[mossy marten]

they were mid, 70% of the time you can see silhouettes through them

[radiant heath]

you're not supposed to run through em for open space traversal lol, you use em as a wall and run on the other side of em

otherwise ya you get shot through em because only half the smoke's covering ya

[mossy marten]

yeah, and you can see silhouttes quite often

[radiant heath]

🤷‍♂️ worked for me!

[hollow quarry]

Hey guys, can I be honest about something?

I saw a lot of the controversy about the assault class carrying 2 primary weapons and how any class can pick any weapon, and while I understand where they’re coming from, and this might be the COD player in me, but I do enjoy being able to pick any weapon you want

[scenic owl]

you are now contributing to stripping away bf's identity

[hollow quarry]

I’m not an OG player ok? I’m new so I don’t know much about it

I might just be stupid

Sorry for such a stupid take

[mossy marten]

idk how i feel about it, can't give an honest opinion until i get hands on (if i ever get hands on)

[rotund pier]

it just feels like class restricted weapons are part of BF identity

like sure, vehicular and infantry combat with destruction is what defines BF imo, yet the classes are also a HUGE part of it at least for me

taking that away just feels like they are striving away from what Battlefield is

without the loadouts, I feel I'm playing MWII ground war

[icy maple]

Keep cs weapons

[mossy marten]

granted it's an assault class perk only, but we can only wait and see. there is probably gonna be a big trade off to be able to use that

[rotund pier]

I wouldn't mind it so much if there was class restricted weapons

but even then

just give us a Serbu Super Shorty as a secondary

if you want a shotgun

and a scoped revolver

if you want a "sniper"

[mossy marten]

again, let's jsut wait and see what happens 🤷‍♂️

[rotund pier]

I think we should voice our opinions even louder ngl

like they are still in early alpha, now is the time to complain about everything we find wrong with the game

else they'll just ignore us and keep making a shitty game that's not a BF

[hollow quarry]

I wouldn't either

as I said, I understand where you guys are coming from

I really do

[rotund pier]

I just hate how they are so stupid that they take the worst aspects of CoD that don't fit BF at all

instead of copying the gunsmith system from MW2019

or even better, Tarkov's

[mossy marten]

copying the gunsmith system is worse than having a possible double primary setup for the assault class

[hollow quarry]

I've never played Tarkov so can you explain?

[mossy marten]

tarkov has a super in depth gun smith, aka customize the gun basically any way you want

like cod mw19, but MUCH more stuff

[rotund pier]

how come?

it's still ONE gun

and it'd add soooo much personality to each player's gun

unless you are one of those fucks that follows the "meta"

I just base my guns around what looks the coolest

[hollow quarry]

I hate Meta, so im with you

[mossy marten]

that's the reason for not having it, more meta slavery rather than BFs system

hella bloat and balancing nightmare

[hollow quarry]

I just roll with what gun I like, not giving a shit about the current "meta"

[rotund pier]

I'm talking more like

different stocks

different handguards

different grips

different sights

[hollow quarry]

Different mags

[rotund pier]

just a visual gunsmith with like, only two things affecting performance

1. Ammunition

2. Barrel lenght

[mossy marten]

nah, extended mags were not a great addition with 2042

[rotund pier]

the rest would just be visual

[mossy marten]

then that's not gunsmith
that's just skins with extra steps in all honesty

[rotund pier]

nah because skins are ass

I have yet to see a single cool weapon skin

in any game

[radiant heath]

totally hear ya. i thought it was gonna be great using any weapon in BF2042, but it turned out that not restricting them led to a meta-class based game where you could combine class perks + weapons and basically be a one-person army, which erodes the team spirit the BF is special for

[ebon beacon]

And honestly when was the case that Battlefield has slide cancelling?, I just played BFV yesterday and sliding isn't as bad as reddit people claiming to be and in that game it has tons of penalties like you can't spam it, can't do a slide cancel and it doesn't increase the speed of your movement

[rotund pier]

about movement, as long as it doesn't become CoD, I don't care what they do about it

[ebon beacon]

Sliding in BFV also locks you in the position

[rotund pier]

I just don't want to see those fucking crack kids thinking they are cool for running around spamming slide and jumps

[hollow quarry]

engineer was the "meta" class in 2042

[ebon beacon]

They won't and BFV movement already proved that

[mossy marten]

not really

[ebon beacon]

Let me guess Assault?

[hollow quarry]

im guessing Support

[mossy marten]

yes, mckay or falck from support

[scenic owl]

think it's in 2042. idk cuz i don't do that shit

[ebon beacon]

Called it yeah especially Mackey since his gadget is way too strong and has no zero counter play to it

[mossy marten]

you can stop a slide early, but it's not slide cancellilng as you think lol

[scenic owl]

idk how it works

[ebon beacon]

Skip 2042 cuz I didn't like the game after the beta and just stick with BFV

[hollow quarry]

I assumed engineer was "Meta" because it was the most used class

[mossy marten]

it's not the most used class
it's either assault or support depending on the map

[scenic owl]

i wouldn't call the engineer "meta" i'd call them essential because the vehicle spam in 2042 is ridiculous

[mossy marten]

i prefer falck when i do cqc maps or BT

[ebon beacon]

Back then BFV didn't have the "updated anti-cheat"

[radiant heath]

being able to have something like the best LMG or AR and also heal yourself like a medic can just ends up creating a game where no one really works together (COD ground war mode, for example). But if you want the ability to heal yourself in BF its great to have it restricted to medic class guns to force you to team up with an assault+support player to take on fights

[hollow quarry]

I guess i'm just stupid

[scenic owl]

i've been trying to play support lately on 64p conquest and the vehcile abuse is just too much

i don't wanna get in a vehicle either. i've been playing vehicles way too much lately. i'm trying to do infantry stuff

[mossy marten]

i play 128p when i do cq (because when 4 of us are going for zooks, 64p doesn't cut it with the low amount of vehicles in there )

[scenic owl]

i don't play 128p because i don't get the framerate i want

[hollow quarry]

keep in mind I'm still a new player, so I don't really know

[mossy marten]

i will just say tho, if you are on PC, don't get BF4 unless you wish to be cannon fodder
lockers is wilding (but hella fun for me) and regular conquest has maps that rival 2042 in how bad they are

[scenic owl]

bf4 servers are run by actual infants

[ebon beacon]

Gonna be honest it's a massive misinformation that's been plaguing around the internet cuz if you look closely at the perks of the Assault class, it's the same perks of the Assault class that was shown in the first playthrough and the 2 primaries that people were freaking out was just a bug and what you should be worried about is the Engineers class can carry 2 launchers which is way too strong but again this just might be the devs letting the playtesters test out all the weapons and gadgets first

[scenic owl]

they'll kick or ban you over anything

[ebon beacon]

Unless you're an old players and knows standard procedure

[mossy marten]

i haven't seen anyone get kicked on NA servers unless it was high ping limits

[mossy marten]

well, silk road and most launch maps are still ass no matter the skill level
there's some gems, yes, but most of them are painful

[ebon beacon]

I got kicked out one time for using a stinger against a little bird

[mossy marten]

🤷‍♂️
i don't do stinger, i rather use dumbfires on aircraft

[ebon beacon]

There are servers that I played that outrightly bans Active Radars which is a shame since I wanted to equip them in my MAA

[hollow quarry]

well what OG game do you suggest I play?

[mossy marten]

BFV is a good one
bf1 too i guess if you want snail movement and gunplay that's atrocious, but immersion and atmosphere is cool i guess

[radiant heath]

i've been on BFV lately, its great

[mossy marten]

it's just rough to recommend BF4 to newer players who want to play it on PC because they're ruthless there. You need to be pretty confident in movement and aiming (in metro/lockers) or have map konwledge on the other maps to not insta die to vehicles

[hollow quarry]

I've already played 4 and so far it's not too bad

[half halo]

BFV is pretty fun lately yeah

Except those level 500 who never left their planes since years. These guys can rot in hell with Angel's infamous quotes.

[radiant heath]

unless they're on my team and its one of the pushes where i gotta run across 200m of empty space

in which case i'll give em a pass lmao

[scenic owl]

real shit

[sudden sigil]

And it feels like nothing works against them. Use AA? They’ll just drop a bomb on you, if it’s the tank, then you’ll also have to deal with people shooting it down. Honestly, just leave the game since you’re gonna spend the entire match watching the spectate screen.

[tough zinc]

Vehicle players in bf are pretty much what canpers are on cod, change my mind

Yep im talking especially to those who farm with that ass ilya muromets on bf1

[scenic owl]

that was so mean of DICE to add that in the game and then never nerf it

[honest cliff]

Honestly the ilya muromets is kinda balanced in BF1, its only really OP when all your AA guns are destroyed

[stray veldt]

back when i played bf1, it was mostly in operations and it can wreck havoc there, even if people get shot down by Aa, often you can get like 10-15 kills in just one attack run as attacker

[full rock]

Hope battlefield 6 makes me love battlefield again

[stray veldt]

same here been a while since a battlefield game was my main game

bf5 was fun, but i never wanted to play it every day like i did with bf4

[nimble bridge]

No slide cancelling = no buy

[nimble bridge]

Why do you want another monetization scheme in BF?

[nimble bridge]

2042 has lots of cool gun skins but they are overpriced imo so I never buy them

[young jetty]

[stray veldt]

that requirement is so specific

[safe moat]

I know you are joking, but I actually saw this take on Twitter once

[pallid coral]

I don't care if the game is good or not, if no slide cancelling = no buy 😤

[nimble bridge]

👆

[glad trench]

So you've learned that 99% of people complaining about BF V and 2042 have actually zero idea what they're talking about and haven't spent any time with the game

[ruby merlin]

Battlefield V is underrated

2042 can eat my farts

[glad trench]

2042 has it's glaring flaws and fuck ups but most people crying about it haven't touched it for more than a few hours back at launch.

and BFV is beyond underrated. I'll die on the hill that it was the best BF to date (mechanically, structurally) and if it had received more expansions it would've gone down as such

[young jetty]

Slide canceling is a cancer to FPS

[mossy marten]

[pallid coral]

i was actually just joking 😭

people are too stuck up on small things, i just hope the game's foundation is good so even if some mechanics are dogshit, they have an easier time not wasting time on fixing the foundaiton like bf2042 and instead focus on balancing and new updates

[young jetty]

Just make a core bf experience like BF3/4.

[glad trench]

go play BF 3/4 if you want that experience

it's going to be 2026, move the fuck on

[pallid coral]

we need new experiences, old bfs were fun but its time to move on lol

we're never ever getting the same "wow factor" as the first time you played rush on damavan peak, or fighting in the tunnels of metro

[glad trench]

DICE releases game with a core experience similar to a game from 2013:

[young jetty]

You’re the reason why battlefield is where it is today

[mossy marten]

games and mechanics evolve over time as tech gets better
along with players being better

[pallid coral]

are you a rage baiter 😭

[mossy marten]

lol

[pallid coral]

tell me before i waste my time

[covert nest]

Players abusing the way games play?

Wow!

[glad trench]

wtf these lazy bums can't do anything other than rerelease what they've already done

[glad trench]

silly little me evolving with the times rather than being an emotional manlet stuck in 2013

[young jetty]

I would rather a remastered BF3/4 over a turd like 2042

[glad trench]

how daring and brave of you

[pallid coral]

i would rather them risk a game for a new experience than remastering bf3/4

which they're not, ofc they're playing a safe hand

bf6 is gonna be bf3/4-inspired thats no doubt

[mossy marten]

i guarantee a faithful remaster of bf3 would get more complaints than praise

[covert nest]

You do realise traditionally how difficult it is to use a slide offensively considering how awkward it is right.

[pallid coral]

"why cant i do this, it was possible in 2042" YOU WANTED BF3 YOU GET BF3

[glad trench]

watched some unmodded recent gameplay of 1942 today. These boomers would combust if they saw how it was being played

aka not tactical and slow

[young jetty]

Isn’t that what people want? 😭

[covert nest]

Dude it's like my point of reference being 2014 where players played bf3 fast.

[pallid coral]

bc2's non diagonal sprinting also messed me up everytime i played it 😂

[covert nest]

People play games fast

Battlefield has always given you the option of slower or faster pacing of gameplay styles.

[glad trench]

nah playing fast isn't CORE

[pallid coral]

thats what he said tho

[covert nest]

I play mechwarrior fast within reason. A game with giant stomping mechs.

[glad trench]

being the equivalent of a keyboard turner in an MMO is how you're supposed to play BF

[pallid coral]

remember that ea/dice are mostly making games for profit, sure there is a market for slower fps games but there's an exponentially bigger market for faster paced games out there, they're not stoopid, they've done their research

games aren't designed from "ah i had this dream" type shit

[glad trench]

half of what these core BF vets say is made up fantasies from random dreams they have

[young jetty]

I mean DICE can’t even make a finished product anymore

[pallid coral]

i fucking wish bf was a slow paced game, but its not, i just adapt to the game i play thats all

i got a whole lotta slow paced games in my life now too so idrc

[mossy marten]

yeah we know. that's their own fault and not the fault of the players

[covert nest]

People be like boo hoo slide when people jump around corners and during fights.

Like dude

[pallid coral]

art museums don't create art, the artists do

if bf was made 100% from the community's saying, it would be dogshit, like the reddit 1 pixel thing

[glad trench]

if they took 10% of what this community says it would be dogshit

let's be real

and thankfully, they don't

[young jetty]

I’m okay with sliding but slide canceling cannot be in the game at ALL

[covert nest]

When I was giving Alex feedback is actually really difficult trying to think of ways to balance an entire roster of weapons.

And make it interesting.

[pallid coral]

im glad they dont

thats what xdefiant did

cater to everyone and you cater to no one

[mossy marten]

i love how slide cancelling, which in literal terms means ending a slide early has evolved into CoDs slide cancelling that resets tac sprint stamina and other stuff

[covert nest]

I can't say i care about slide cancelling.

All the games have methods to how they play.

[pallid coral]

I think right now I'm caring about a million other things 😂

[nimble bridge]

• Why is this game so slow
• Why am I dying in a single frame
• Why AEK/AN are still broken

[mossy marten]

why are my bullets only registering 60% of the time

what's all this visual recoil and suppression affecting my bullet spread

[glad trench]

nah nah brotha, I want a broken an94 again

[mossy marten]

why is mantling the jankiest thing ever lmao

[covert nest]

I feel like the an94 on 2042 is a fraction of what it was in bf3.

And its still a really good gun.

[pallid coral]

• Why is this game so clunky
• Why is everything so fucking blue
• Why is everything blurry
• Where is my DLSS/FSR
• Why are my bullets not hitting when I'm shooting dead center
• Why is there a little delay between kill and the UI kill confirmed thing
• Why do I need a browser to log into multiplayer
• Why is my Battlelog plugin not working

[glad trench]

it is cuz burst fire in 2042 is broken and jank

[mossy marten]

oh, aek ini bf4 was busted
m16a3 in bf3 was the big bad op gun

[covert nest]

Is it just not consistent?

[pallid coral]

• Why is the UI so confusing (it is, for people who've never touched BF3)
• Why are some guns locked in different factions?

[ebon beacon]

My only issue with BFV are the vehicles especially that they are slow and unresponsive plus the random recoil pattern, also the lack of content too

[glad trench]

why did I die 10 feet behind this corner for the 8th time this match

[nimble bridge]

Honestly why not? Modern fps players are so accustomed to automatic weapons any burst or semi fire is overlooked anyways.

[covert nest]

Oh yeah if there's one thing about bf3 I did not realise is that the servers were on 10 Hz.

[nimble bridge]

Release a broken AN or another burst fire weapon that kills in a single frame lol

[pallid coral]

Dies in THE FINALS

[covert nest]

When the standard is 30 to 60 nowadays.

[mossy marten]

yup, that shit is PAINNNN

shoo self promoter

[young jetty]

Way better than BF2042

[pallid coral]

i reported the stream 🙂

[glad trench]

flashbacks to BF V where I'd get accused of running a macro cuz I could spam the semi auto rifles so fast

[undone lantern]

don’t care

[covert nest]

I don't meant to rebut and say omg bf3 wasn't perfect but fuck me we didn't realise how bad that was back then.

[pallid coral]

me neither

[glad trench]

like nah dudes, my finger just really likes thess guns

[mossy marten]

2042's not great, but those blue tinted glasses (get it? ) need to come off

[undone lantern]

free promooo

when does BF6 drop?

[pallid coral]

good one lmao

[undone lantern]

anybody playing?

[pallid coral]

yeah im playing rn, wanna duo?

[young jetty]

[nimble bridge]

I dunno about Finals players but no broken gun can make modern CoD/BF players play with semi autos or burst weapons

Goblin is broken af in Black Ops 6, it's a semi auto AR, no one uses it

[pallid coral]

they made it so almost every gun type is good if you know how to use it, semi auto weapons, even weapons with 3 bullets 😂 i like their balancing style

even a bow

[young jetty]

If you had the option, would you pick BF3 or 2042?

[glad trench]

lmao

[mossy marten]

destiny 3: i

[pallid coral]

huh

[mint cobalt]

I would say but it will block my messages

[glad trench]

what I am about say will have People label me as something that I am not

[ebon beacon]

• They accidentally revert the patch for USAS-12 Frag Rounds and the Famas

[glad trench]

anyone who complains about that stuff is exactly what they deserve to be labeled as

[covert nest]

I would like to experience bf3 and all its dlc again but asides from that 2042 does have a few things going for it.

So just 2042.

[pallid coral]

the current bf3 no, but if u bring me back to release bf3 yes

[covert nest]

2042 isn't exactly a high bar.

[glad trench]

BF3 without me being a senior in HS w/o a care in the fucking world smoking fat bowls with my friends prior to logging on...

ya it doesn't hit the same

and feels like an old game

[pallid coral]

going back to bf3 is like opening an old minecraft world

at first ur like wow all the memories are coming back

and then ur like huh, cool but time to move on

[covert nest]

You remember why you stopped playing.

And it'll be the same with 2042

[mossy marten]

in all honesty, present day bf3 or 2042, 2042 imho
movement isn't as jank
45Hz > 10Hz
crossplay with the homies
more QoL features over bf3
gunplay, even tho 2042's sucks, is better than being suppressed 24/7 and having bullets bend 45degrees

[covert nest]

The only game I never truly hated was bf5.

[pallid coral]

yeah, and if u didn't and still are playing bf3 then you wouldn't be saying anything in the first place here 😂

[covert nest]

I really got burned out due to the drama.

[glad trench]

BF3, just give me that map designer back

[pallid coral]

Way weren't you in competitive scene 😂

[glad trench]

dude was cooking

[covert nest]

Yep.

Drama

It's all fucking drama.

It's a bunch of fucking IDIOTS

[mint cobalt]

It is not a complaint, it is an observation of pass failure that I have seen

[pallid coral]

Damn idk what happened cuz I left after 2022 but it just died out

[covert nest]

the most insufferable kind of people with egos and bullshit.

[young jetty]

DEI had nothing to do with battlefield downfall

[pallid coral]

Dang 😭 who were the people managing it? Which country?

[covert nest]

Dei has nothing to do with battlefield.

[mossy marten]

i'm assuming console comp @covert nest ?

[covert nest]

Yeah

[pallid coral]

thats why we never met 😠

[mossy marten]

i've heard stories (not about comp) but about the stream snipers during that era

[covert nest]

I have one clip from comp

[mossy marten]

like just bfv era was bad in general

[pallid coral]

i only played in the SEA region tho so if ur american then cant

[covert nest]

We won the second round so the third round was just bullying them.

[pallid coral]

did u oull this out of our dms lmao

[covert nest]

The problem were the people.

No

[pallid coral]

oh XD cuz its also there

[mint cobalt]

I never mentioned BF2042, but there was a push, how do you think we ended up with those terrible win quotes

[covert nest]

Ancient backed up files.

[pallid coral]

dayum LOL

[young jetty]

Do you realize that 2042 was supposed to be an BR?

[glad trench]

work from home and a giant crunch to push the game out leading to many aspects of the game being afterthoughts, such as certain audio design

[mossy marten]

how is that DEI
that's just cringe artistical choices

[pallid coral]

i played for BFI and our team was so fun to play with, we became almost irl friends except covid was between us :/ but lowkey the best time in bfv ive had

[covert nest]

I remember a comment from someone who worked on the engine

"Working from home was cancer because of the small delay editing the code"

[pallid coral]

hero shooter has almost nothing to do with dei, that's just poor design choices

and there will be some diversity in a game with multiple people cmon, its normal lmao

[young jetty]

He’s rage baiting don’t worry

[covert nest]

I even met up with the dude in amsterdam!

[glad trench]

and I say that as being a WFH supporter in general

some fields, it just doesn't work well

[pallid coral]

ur telling me transgender people aren't allowed in gaming at all 💀

[mossy marten]

i'm simply explaining to them

[pallid coral]

yikess, must be on those screen shared systems that sucks

[covert nest]

As someone who had to study from home it really helped keep me cool.

[mint cobalt]

Well not to mention majority of developers BF2042 were new people

[covert nest]

But some of the more maticilous tasks would be pain.

[young jetty]

We already know this ur point is?

[mossy marten]

we don't know, they just keep swapping reasons for 2042 failing (which most of us know already)

[ruby hazel]

You know I came here to see if anyone was in agreeance to a wake island remaster on the new battlefield but yall talkin some wierd stuff

[glad trench]

please no

[mossy marten]

nah

pass on that

[pallid coral]

gimme some new maps that are worthy of remastery 10 years from now

[glad trench]

give us all new base maps and when the time comes to remaster maps, give us some that haven't been remastered before

[mint cobalt]

But either way this is my perspective and it my prediction right now Battlefield 6 might be good, but the campaign story will suffer the worst from it, but will see

[mossy marten]

do some maps that haven't been remastered (museum from hardline)

[pallid coral]

dust bowl would work in bf6 ig

[glad trench]

we care about campaign stories that haven't been good since BC2

[mossy marten]

ehhhh

[pallid coral]

seems like we have very different hardline experience lmao

my fav maps were downtown, dust bowl and riptide thats all i played

[ruby hazel]

Wake island needs a remake than a remaster anyways, needs to be updated to current times

[young jetty]

2042 failed because of poor leadership decisions, not enough development time, pivoted to older gen consoles, the devs didn’t know jack shit about the frostbite engine, DICE ignoring our feedback. Beta was an absolute mess, Launch was just a PTSD nightmare.

[ruby hazel]

I miss that map

[pallid coral]

i wouldnt say they "ignored" our feedback

they had a shit game, and devs didnt know how to make it better cuz they didnt know how to work with the engine

they took a year+ to fix the game and then they balanced and updated as much as they could

[mossy marten]

museum, train dodge, pacific highway are the 🐐's

[pallid coral]

honestly they made a lot more in the game than expected. they promised 4 season and we're at like s7 thats great

[pallid coral]

ooh how about hollywood heights

[ruby hazel]

But it's like that with every battlefield, battlefield 2: shit the first years, then fixed bam loved by everyone
Battlefield 3: shit, fixed and loved
Battlefield 4: shit fixed loved, same thing every battlefield

[pallid coral]

thats how it goes with big games my guy

[mossy marten]

not bad, but museum is the better no vehicles map

[ruby hazel]

@mossy marten gotta have vehicles map, conquest all day er day

[pallid coral]

not saying this is good

[glad trench]

remaster the BF3 CQC maps

[mossy marten]

i do like infantry only maps at times for farming, yes

[young jetty]

Still the worst mainline game in the franchise, I hope BF6 is NOTHING like this.

[mossy marten]

well yeah, it's BF afterall
that's why pacific highway and train dodge are great vehicle and infy maps

[pallid coral]

i hope they remaster 2042 one day

[mint cobalt]

Yeah but what was annoying about it was the BF community having to play defensive and convincing others that it will get better, that shouldn’t be an obligation for the community to have to do with every terrible launch day, and is the reason BF1 was the most successful

[glad trench]

Give us Spearhead and Exposure in BF6

[ruby hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/neebs-gaming-battlefield-friends-apology-battlefield-hardline-gif-24247796

[mossy marten]

plz no, no exposure

[ruby hazel]

@mossy marten I agree

[glad trench]

Nah exposure is a unique map, bring it

[pallid coral]

there's another issue, I hope BF6 takes longer to die

[nimble bridge]

Damavand Peak and Ziba Tower 🥰