battlefield-labs-discussion

[feral garden]

So a combo of not a lot of people testing yet, paired with people not wanting to be banned from testing (as the first 2 leaker were)

[tepid plinth]

And those people are banned now so

[amber sage]

No I am not a camper, but i don’t want cod like movement. 😀🙏

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-tealc-stargate-gif-4496552

[tepid plinth]

To the three people who published leaks and sacrificed their playtesting opportunity for us..

o7

[nimble bridge]

👆

Next BF needs red dot customization, I'm tired of not being able to see red dot in desert maps

[tepid plinth]

Saw some people on Reddit asking where their vids are lmao

[cerulean owl]

what do they lose anyway?

[tepid plinth]

Access to playtests

[rugged seal]

Their weekly allowance 😔

[tepid plinth]

And a fine of £1 million

Surprised there wasn’t a blog though, guess they’ll be happening with larger gaps between

[nimble bridge]

Their account

[sweet flume]

Imagine being banned before release... that's some S tier millennial tom foolery

[tepid plinth]

Their choice

[deep epoch]

The map looks mid

[tall urchin]

That doesn't sound like what I want.

[tepid plinth]

Neither

Just want battlefield. Nice inbetween

[fleet robin]

looks like they forced everyone to use controller

arma exists btw

[cerulean owl]

is it ip or hardware ban? i assume people would just make fresh account just to leak it

[fleet robin]

i doubt they'll be able to get in a second time, it's hard enough to be selected once

[cerulean owl]

makes sense but i saw people mentioning million dollar lawsuits like thats so funny, i live in some random village in Bulgaria, i would love a suit man comes visit the village sometimes asking for court appearance to some rural gamer

[versed token]

You'll just get an email

Potentially even a letter sent to you

[fleet robin]

polite email saying you're never playtesting again lmao

so worth it

[cerulean owl]

its that email Todd Howard sent to those Fallout 76 players who hacked the game

probably

[stiff root]

Seeing the short gameplay from the battlefield labs trailer looks so interesting, hope it comes out better than BF2042

[silk jackal]

BF2042 is obviously not hard to beat xD

[unkempt glade]

yeah what it has to beat is experience from games like BF1 BF4 and 3

it still amazes me how bf1 looks so good and runs so well

[gilded smelt]

m119? m777? D20? D30 for BF6?
all with heat, smoke, frag and illumination shells? imagine 105mm smoke and illum rounds landing FFE in the dark. the entire gaming community would be speechless watching a fireworks display like that.
firing a shell, waiting in anticipation with your radio on whether or not your first shell landed anywhere near your target, adjusting based on the forward observer's or drone's observations, hearing that your shell hit a tank and knocked out it's tracks through your radio is exhilarating, the exhilaration only increases as you load in another shell knowing the artillery piece is still set on it's last firing position and the next shell your loading is bound to hit that poor tracked tank again. 🙂
If worried about it being overpowered, these are super easily countered as they are unarmored field infantry pieces vulnerable to, well, everything.
might want some camoflauge netting as a seperate entity.

[tepid plinth]

I can appreciate the aesthetic feel, but the game’s pacing is not slow enough to really make that kind of gameplay a focus. Mortars give you direct control over landing positions since the fire and adjust, comm focused approach would give you outdated info

[gilded smelt]

mortars take longer to land, have to be fired at higher than a 45* angle

also noone said that the entire game should revolve around one aspect

[tepid plinth]

Saying the inverse, it’s hard to have that sort of teammate interaction and mortar behaviour with the game as it is now

[gilded smelt]

the devs said they are open minded to new ideas and expanding upon the game

[nimble bridge]

Mortars shouldn't exist tbh

[gilded smelt]

did mortars hurt you?

[nimble bridge]

Yes

[gilded smelt]

it's okay buddy hopefully you will one day be able to counter battery a pathetic 81mm mortar crew with a 105mm artillery shell

[tepid plinth]

They weren’t the most fun to deal with

[nimble bridge]

If mortars are in then I want Mackay's grappling hook 🤣

Mortar spammers were firing them at chokepoints in BF1, making it impossible for infantry to progress

[gilded smelt]

must have been a rare strat i feel

[nimble bridge]

Grappling hook breaks map design which would allow me to counter mortar spammers

[nimble bridge]

Happened in 3 matches I played last time

Uninstalled the game afterwards

[tepid plinth]

Worst part is them just being able to track where you are with the top down camera

Just having the map is good enough

[gilded smelt]

Indirect fire can be made too easy in BF6, and it's shouldn't be, it should require good communcation and forward observation

[tepid plinth]

If it requires comms and range finding, nobody will ever use it

Which maybe isn’t the worst thing

[gilded smelt]

not everyone is a dumby

I know that only certain types of the crowd would be using them yeah

but If everyone saw a smoke and illumination shell barrage at dark, that would blow up the scene

[tepid plinth]

Would definitely look pretty

They could go for a compromise and have squad pings appear on the mortar map, allowing for communication based mortars but allowing them to match the game’s pacing

[tall urchin]

100% this, mortars are just awful game design

[half halo]

Source?

[sharp edge]

you can use ucav

[tepid plinth]

I made it the f up

[shrewd merlin]

Is battlefield 6 playtest part 2 up rn?

[half halo]

[half halo]

It was 1 month ago

[shrewd merlin]

Uh

I signed up I'm pretty sure and got an email from them

But I didn't see a download link or anything for it

I twas just a bunch of forms and documents about NDA and rules and stuff

[tepid plinth]

Well it’ll say in the email what to do

[shrewd merlin]

Uh

I might have deleted it

[gilded smelt]

how can I contact the BF6 devs with the m119 and D20 ideas?

[tepid plinth]

I really want to join in the movement related conversations on Reddit but I know any slight deviation from ‘slide bad’ will get my trodden on

[tepid plinth]

Honestly, this channel is the best place. The 2042 bf forums are specifically for 2042, here is where we discuss things we’d like to see

Chance they’ve already seen your posts

[mossy marten]

Yeah, those users are another type of......

[tepid plinth]

I could talk for an hour about movement and why it exits + the various versions of it, but bf1 not having much but selling very well means they’ll never listen to it

[mossy marten]

true, doesn't help that bf1 launch slide got obliterated into what it currently exists as

[tepid plinth]

It’s just people saying they don’t want cod like sweat fests

I feel like the only one who genuinely enjoys the challenge of seeing someone else use a slide bhop and I need to use slightly more aim and strategy to beat them

[mossy marten]

you are not the only one
it's nice using people who do that as tracking scenarios

[tepid plinth]

And like, the 2042 bhop is a linear, one directional boost of speed that exposes them as much as it helps them, it’s the best balance we’ve had in movement thus far in my opinion, but people just hate it ‘cause it looks silly and unrealistic’

I’m also glad I’ve played enough shooter franchises and genres to be able to enjoy both sides

I just feel like battlefield needs at least some element of movement to keep it fun

[half halo]

I left a comment earlier and got downvoted as hell...

[tepid plinth]

What was it
I’m sure it was perfectly reasonable

[half halo]

Mostly argueing that if the mechanic exists and your aren't able to capitalize on it and whine about others who use it, well that's a you problem, not the game's problem

[tepid plinth]

Yeah that approach tends to flop hard on reddit. 50 50 chance to get majorly upvotes or majorly downvoted

[half halo]

Guess it was the latter this Time 🤣

[tepid plinth]

Audiences tend to fight themselves in the comments anyway

Even approaching it objectively isn’t enough

Does make me fear for the next game

[ruby merlin]

Also they complain about dumb things lol

[tepid plinth]

Slightly

[ruby merlin]

Like sliding and combat dive

Dive has been in battlefield 2

And sliding since like 1

Its minimal

And why does it matter

[tepid plinth]

Strafing - which has been in every game

Oh and my favourite, complaining about the recoil being low on weapons because the person playing is controlling it

Actually amazes me when people say recoil looks low

use some common sense

[twin fractal]

I'm surprised DICE hasn't put out a new blog post

Guess there's no point since everyone's going to discuss the leaks instead

[mossy marten]

don't forget the bf3/4/v jump into a "slide" crouch thing
ice sliding or zou zou or whatever it's called
bf3/4/hardline air strafes

but people want static, slow bf1 movement of all things

[ruby merlin]

EXACTLY

[mossy marten]

like, bf1 movement is just boring af
doesn't help that the gunplay is also atrocious

[nimble bridge]

I love getting farmed by tanks, helis and jets because I can't move 🥰

[mossy marten]

i love using 2042 movement to rush a tank from behind, sitting on it, and using the repair torch to destroy it
like if that happens to you, that's your own fault

[rugged seal]

I love when people feel the need to get out when they can just switch to the gunner seat

[mossy marten]

the dude i killed ysterday in a tank just froze up and didn't know what to do
https://discordapp.com/channels/140933721929940992/258372071086620674/1353116349261549641

[tepid plinth]

If we have bf1 movement then we need alternate ways of taking space

Supression looks to be that solution for the most part

[tall urchin]

Yeah the bhop is honestly extremely balanced. Decay in momentum exponentially increases with each jump and you're forced in a linear path.

It is hilarious when you're grapple hopping max speed and stop on a dime though, catches so many people off.

[radiant heath]

My big issue with them adding movement mechanics that allow you to move really fast is that the current trend is to crank aim assist to compensate lol

I'd much rather play a game without bhopping and some gentle ADS time or accuracy related penalties to jumping and sliding than one where I can move all over the place and still get aimbotted by 75% of the playerbase

Ideally they figure out how to balance both and we get a game with higher movement AND aim skill ceilings

But seems like a lot of the playerbase doesn't actually want both

[tepid plinth]

Honestly, fair point. I hate how stuff gets nerfed due to external factors like that to where the reason for it existing diminishes

[mossy marten]

That's every pvp fps game nowadays sadly
Most people don't want to get better and/or want stuff easier

[tepid plinth]

I can tell exactly what will happen

[radiant heath]

Yeah I'm not hating on movement or anything, but like literally what's the point of omnimovement in BO6 when having a controller is an instant 20% accuracy boost

[radiant heath]

Battlefield subreddit be like, guns shoot straight pls nerf

[nimble bridge]

What's point of omnimovement in BO6 when maps are 2 hallways

[gilded smelt]

theyre not gonna do that to us right

right

[glad trench]

BF subreddit is legitametely filled with subhuman troggs that can't follow their own logic

[nimble bridge]

I want recoil and spread in next BF

[pallid coral]

Should the next battlefield have recoil

[glad trench]

exclusively filled with the people on your team that go 5-18 every match with 1 obj capture at most but then have the audacity to complain about sliding existing in the game

[gilded smelt]

a necessary amount

obvisouly lmao

[nimble bridge]

I want high recoil, maybe lower than V's recoil but definitely higher than 2042

[mossy marten]

Well spread is a mechanic in BF since forever
But please don't give a bf1 spread system dice, that was godawful

[mossy marten]

Am I msising something?
Bfv didn't have high recoil

[nimble bridge]

It did

Spread to recoil conversion assured that

[glad trench]

no need for cranked spread when base levels of recoil exist

[gilded smelt]

fr

[glad trench]

and BFV had a good amount of recoil but it was very controllable once you got a feel for whatever gun you were using

loved the semi autos rifles in it, felt great getting them up to their max fire rate while controlling them

[gilded smelt]

it would turn more people off having hitmarkers, the old +100 points you got a kill, having no recoil just random spread

all that shit is unnecessary nowadays

[nimble bridge]

I want burst fire weapons to work in next game 🤣

AN94 is unusable

In 2042

[mossy marten]

Doesn't mean that recoil was high

Spread = recoil is just bad gunplay design since it essentially randomizes your point of aim, which is not skillful or a skillgap in any way really

[nimble bridge]

Honestly BFV does a much better job at limiting engagement distances than any other BF though

Every engagement is in like 10-30 meters in it

Due to recoil and damage falloff

Damage falloff seems to be good in the next game too

Weapons quickly drop to 5-6 BTK ranges

[mossy marten]

Yeah, about 15m i think

Give or take some meters

[nimble bridge]

I bet next game will feel like BFV in a BF3/4 coat of paint due to BFV movement and BFV engagement distances

[mossy marten]

I just hope they don't do the spread = recoil 🐂💩
Give me relatively centered reticle and not bf1 spread

[nimble bridge]

2042 spread is fine imo

Base gun spread at the least

[tepid plinth]

if spread is a thing (which I am fine with), it needs to be based around screen centre for consistency

[nimble bridge]

Might be more aggressive though

[mossy marten]

2042 bursting feels awful
Hardline did it best imho for gunplay for full auto

[nimble bridge]

I think it's fine because you can't reset spread instantly

It takes like a second for it to reset instead of milisecond

Which adds up to slow TTK

I generally prefer slow TTK games

[mossy marten]

Yeah, and that's why it feels bad

[nimble bridge]

I dunno man someone microbursting defeats the whole purpose of spread

[feral garden]

Spread only needs to be a mechanic that kicks in on full auto fire. I dont know why people are against skillful micro bursting

[ruby merlin]

Clearly they haven't played battlefield 4 lol

Micro bursting is so easy lol

[feral garden]

All spread is mean to do is punish you for full auto, and make sure combat range is kept in check

[ruby merlin]

Yeah which is good

2042 should of taken notes lol

[mossy marten]

Agreed
3-4 bullets that are relatively lower spread before it starts to kick up more aggressively

But i should be able to full auto within 20m straight up without bullets going 45degrees to the side

[feral garden]

Its kinda wild, cos the bullet based weapons on vehicles in 2042 work best when burst fired, so its not like this concept is lost on them.

Take the UH60 minis for example, you can burst fire then and they are incredibly accurate, but if you hold the trigger you gain a lot of spread/projectile deviation.

[nimble bridge]

That's why it's an issue

[feral garden]

Its easy for someone who practices

[nimble bridge]

If you can bypass spread and engagement distances so easily then what's the point?

[ruby merlin]

Well how else are you going to limit engagement ranges

[mossy marten]

It's also skillful since older BFs had first shot recoil multipliers
Which i don't think 2042 has

[nimble bridge]

Spread reset time being longer like 2042

[ruby merlin]

Harder then just holding down trigger

[feral garden]

No n00b is going to learn how to effectively micro burst fast. Its the same concept as learning to use movement and map knowledge to your advantage

[nimble bridge]

People will learn it the moment youtubers makes a video about it

[feral garden]

Not true at all

[tepid plinth]

Honestly I don't even think bursting needs to be hard. Reduced effective ROF over distance allows for hits but for less damage, with full auto having a chance to do more but with more risk, that simple dyamic is good enough

like, I don't consider bursting as a major skill, but as a means to manage engagement distances solely

[feral garden]

You cant learn how to mechanically do "Effective in combat" micro bursting from a YT video. It can only teach you the idea.

[nimble bridge]

''How to break spread in BF6!?!?'' by XxX_Sweatlord_420_XxX, 12,646,638 views

[feral garden]

Wild that someone who wants there to be more movement control and ability, doesnt want the same for gunplay TBH

[nimble bridge]

Microbursting is so easy once you get used to it, that's why it's an issue

2042 system is fine, you can't microburst, that's how it limits engagement distances better

[feral garden]

Yes, but why is that a problem?

[nimble bridge]

If you can't limit engagement distances then what's the purpose of spread? Just remove it at that point

[feral garden]

"When you learn a thing, you can be good at said thing. this is not OK." Essentially this argument against

[nimble bridge]

We aren't living in 2014 anymore, newcomers will figure out how to microburst from youtubers instantly

[feral garden]

Thats why gunplay is not JUST controlled or balanced by spread. Its also balanced by things like bullet damage min/max, map design, ADS/hipfire penalties, sprint penalties to accuracy, ETC.

[nimble bridge]

Well I'm glad they are taking notes from BFV's damage falloff handbook

Even if spread is bypassable with microbursting damage falloff will assure players can survive from single frame deaths

[feral garden]

I can visualize a nice system where micro bursting/bursting is encouraged. Where it is effective to burst, but not overly OP due to first shot recoil, then recoil on subsequent shots.

Then spread balances engagement when a player full auto fires

Then min/max bullet damage, in combination with both of these things balances engagement ranges.

So TLDR, recoil balances bursting, Spread balances auto fire.

They can have aggressive first shot recoil, which is counter-able (to a degree) like it was in BF4.

[glad trench]

No more like, 70% of the barrier of a mechanic like spread/micro bursting is knowing it exists. Once you're aware of what is happening it's so braindead easy to manage that it may as well not be in the game

[feral garden]

For good players, yes. But I dont see why anyone would have issue with learnable mechanics.

50% of players will still just panic fire at everything

[radiant heath]

I felt like it worked for BF1 (and ONLY BF1 lol) because it was WWI and low-tech weaponry. But even for WWII/BFV it would've been totally inappropriate to have that much

[glad trench]

I personally can't stand spread and see it as stupidly lazy outside of certain weapons, like you mentioned mini guns.

Much rather see aggressive damage falloffs and recoil than spread

[feral garden]

Spread makes perfect sense as a balancing factor in a video game.

Its just ass in the last few games

[rotund pier]

Hype kinda being ruined ngl

Saw an assault with two main weapons

They are turning this into cod

[mossy marten]

❓
there's only one primary

where did you get two primaries from

[glad trench]

there looks like an assault perk that allows two primaries

which hardly makes it "cod" like

[mossy marten]

the assault class perks do not give two primaries

[gilded smelt]

whatever

[rotund pier]

Cod had that for soo long

[glad trench]

and other games had it prior to CoD

[gilded smelt]

COD is best defined by small maps, tight cqb, and unlockable weapons and skins

no vehicles

[glad trench]

it is not out of the realm for the frontlines, assault class to carry two primaries

[rotund pier]

Idk man I hate that

[glad trench]

it was ass in BF4 too imo

[rotund pier]

That and the lack of class restricted loadouts

Now there’s going to be a class running around with both a sniper and an assault rifle so you can’t do shit against them at any distance

[gilded smelt]

artillery, mortars, tanks

smokes

[feral garden]

This guy is talking about a bug that let a player change loadout in round...and now all of the dumb people on reddit are saying they have perks to allow 2 primaries.

[gilded smelt]

like bruh you say this isnt cod but you approach everything with a cod mindset

[mossy marten]

was about to say, there was no perk seen that allows two primaries

mortar strike, yes (cringe as it is)
drone strike, yes (cringe as it is)

[gilded smelt]

mortars and artillery usually have smoke rounds

smoke rounds are best for supporting infantry in such scenarios

think outside the box cod players

battlefield players act so high and mighty when comparing themelves to cod players lmaooo

[covert nest]

I require dual wield.

[glad trench]

y'all keep saying this like having weapon choice is a bad thing.

gadgets define class balance and identity more than anything

I like in 2042 people actually playing aggro, flanking recons

go much harder on the class-weapon perks if needed

[covert nest]

Would rather keep weapons locked with some open ended like smgs and carbines from previous games.

[gilded smelt]

oh god again with the weapon unlocksystem

how cliche can you get

[feral garden]

It looked like a bug to me TBH. I wouldnt read too much into it for now

[covert nest]

I dunno. I just want to shoot people with some sense of consistent identity.

That sounds really bad

[gilded smelt]

there are ways to keep people playing other than forcing them into the same scenarios over again until they are sick of it

the true way to keep people playing is offering them new ways of playing

or let them find new ways

[covert nest]

You can balance classes meaningfully with locked weapons and prevent them from over performing.

Not all weapons needs to be locked, like smgs.

[gilded smelt]

it took me 3000 hours of squad before I figured out the anti tank cannon also perfectly well functions as a light long range artillery piece

mean while yall are talking about which smg or which rifle should be unlockable at first class

there is more to battlefield than 5.56 and 7.62

Grad? AA? what kind of REAL FUCKING WEAPON SYSTEMS will be made available?

[radiant heath]

Yeah, I like when it's at least semi-learnable, CS has spread and it works great

In battlefield I think it helps make engagement distances fit the game and weaponry

[gilded smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/katyusha-gif-18144996

https://tenor.com/view/antiair-artillery-aa-gif-6003741827593006620

https://tenor.com/view/send-it-military-soldiers-battle-gif-14063718

Why aren't battlefield players talking about shit like this ^

but at the same time battlefield is sooo much different from COD right?

it's not

your still running around farming headshots through a few chokepoints until you get your new shiny skin for your sniper rifle or whatever

this new destructible environment engine has an incredible amount of potential that all of you normies are taking for granted. mean while us squad and arma players are watching the BF6 engine and graphics in absolute envy. we need that shit more than you do.

Arma 3 servers are all PVE, The squad devs are treating their player base like they are idiots, and lie through their teeth about how "busy" they are fleshing out their half-assed game. We are ready to be assimilated into the battlefield player base if BF6 doesn't turn out to be entirely cliche.

[nimble bridge]

L1+R1 ultimates and 8 passives per class is okay but god forbid if we had specialists with 1 gadget and 1 passive

[mossy marten]

Battlefield will never become anything like squad or arma
it's always been an arcade shooter and will always stay an arcade shooter

as for the whole CoD and BF are the same
yeah, they're both arcade shooters, duhhhhhh
But they differ a lot more than just that

[half halo]

Wow, so toxic entitled milsimers are infiltrating this discord as well?

How obnoxious can one be lmfaooo

[gilded smelt]

L rage bait

Why even call it battlefield then?

[gilded smelt]

why not just call it "generic fps"

battlefield my ass

my ass 🤣

[mossy marten]

idk, but these are the people who play the 1000% dmg servers, cuz "rEaLiSm"

[gilded smelt]

you have got it cooked up in your mind a narrative

but liek i said this whole destructble environment thing is gonna get wasted on you normies

why would you need destructible environments in an arcade shooter where everyone in it despises "realism"

[nimble bridge]

Ngl I don't care about destruction, I want good maps

[gilded smelt]

see

[heady thorn]

because destruction is cool 😎

[nimble bridge]

Destruction, levolution etc. are marketing imo, levolution makes the maps worse 90% of the time

[gilded smelt]

not as cool as firing a 105mm light gun, but that's only for games like arma and squad right?

so cool to throw a grenade into a building and watch it all crumble as if it was made of paper mache

[covert nest]

Torbis!

[heady thorn]

No destruction is cooler in my personal opinion 😄 But thats me!

[heady thorn]

hallo 😄

[gilded smelt]

without having to call in real artillery

fired by a real person

[covert nest]

Destruction is fun but it needs to be balanced.

[mossy marten]

torbis the 🐐

[heady thorn]

BF4 had the HIMARS which was at times, extremely annoying

[mossy marten]

agreed, no full levelling of buildings

[covert nest]

I actually liked how bf5 handled destruction.

But that's because it worked with fortifications.

[nimble bridge]

True

[gilded smelt]

they probably made it too easy to use

[covert nest]

You could rebuild houses that were pretty much gone.

So it allowed the destruction to be liberal.

[nimble bridge]

Nah, only objective areas tbh

[heady thorn]

There was a few times i became Bob and full on went sandbag rapid fire building tbh

[nimble bridge]

Example you can turn Narvik's houses into flatlands but you can't reinforce houses again

[covert nest]

There was always one teammate that did it.

Those buildings at the up hill at A can be repaired to a degree.

Across from the bridge.

[glad trench]

Because sandbox, combined arms gameplay doesn’t equal milsim

[gilded smelt]

thats what squad is

[heady thorn]

the trenches on arras, the fields

[glad trench]

God give us fortifications again

[glad trench]

Because sandbox, combined arms gameplay doesn’t equal milsim

[gilded smelt]

buildable emplacements? heresy

[glad trench]

Both games can have sandbox, combined arms gameplay while one has arcade shooter movement/gunplay and balance while the other has milsim movement/gunplay and balance

[covert nest]

Battlefield has always been super arcadic.

[gilded smelt]

meh

before yes

doesnt have to be

[covert nest]

It's where the money comes from.

[glad trench]

Doesn’t have to be but it should be

Y’all have arma, squad, HLL to RP in

[mossy marten]

don't make a game into something that's it not meant to be

[glad trench]

Or go join some milsim airsoft community

[gilded smelt]

nah thats gay

[covert nest]

Ah right so you're that kind of person.

[gilded smelt]

Ill keep firing artillery in squad

Ive got anti tank, frag and smoke rounds

76mm

[covert nest]

Oh shit pizza you know Akwa?

[mossy marten]

yes

[honest cliff]

Guys hes ragebaiting

[mossy marten]

i know a lot of the BF CCs

[honest cliff]

Dont fall for this goof

@covert nest YOOOO

[mossy marten]

yeah, just let them yell into the void

[covert nest]

I've known him since the xbox era. It's nice to know how people are coming along.

Hey!

[half halo]

Nobody cares

[gilded smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-crying-wine-shaking-gif-16891640

[honest cliff]

Just ignore the guy, he's got nothing to listen to

[covert nest]

I got some mechwarrior to play

[mossy marten]

yeah, he's chill af and so is a lot of them

[mossy marten]

TeaManuel, Cyanide, etc

[covert nest]

Got the little speedster.

Fun fact. There was ONE time I heard akwa yell in VC.

[honest cliff]

Looks like a chicken

[covert nest]

But it towards some drop kick.

Yes!

Those mechs with those legs are known as chicken leg mechs!

[slender ocean]

balck

[mossy marten]

[honest cliff]

Who is this akwa person

[mossy marten]

OCE based Battlefield strimmer

[covert nest]

Same with Cy and that.

[mossy marten]

he was playing Zen Zero and i wanted to say "Gooner game? that's new"

[covert nest]

hahaha

It feels weird

I've known him for 5 years now.

He's good people. I forget sometimes we were part of a clan.

[mossy marten]

He's really chill, just a shame that his partner application was denied 3 or 4 times

[covert nest]

Yep.

[tepid plinth]

Wish I’d watch them more

I wanna support them, but I just never watch streams or videos of battlefield unless it’s to study how they play

[mossy marten]

i chill in there with them and shoot the shit
or i party up with them as well

[winter viper]

@covert nest Akwa is TeamZook with Pizza and I

Of course we know him lol

[deep mica]

i feel like i ve gone back to 2009 with all that 144p video

[half halo]

Given 2009 was in the great era of gaming, does it mean we are back?

[mossy marten]

let's not get ahead of ourselves yet

[half halo]

[covert nest]

Please no more BLAND military clones

I swear it's only better nowadays because everyone is actualyl trying to make something visually distinct.

[nimble bridge]

Please clown outfits 🤡

[mint cobalt]

I’m actually curious, did people like the soldier customization in BFV

[glad trench]

Ya, could’ve been fleshed out more with more iconic WW2 gear if they supported it through the eastern and western fronts

I liked the system of combining different pieces together.

The elites were w/e, I didn’t care for them nor did they bother me

[mossy marten]

As long as they stay relatively grounded in the skins and not go crazier than early 2042 skins, cool.
just don't do crazy wild skins like CoD has

[static canopy]

Just saw assault with a perk that lets him have two AR!

Are we building a call of duty here?

More and more leaks coming out
Just is turning into wanna be cod and 2042 sequal

[pulsar shard]

Yes hank its been like this since BFV

its only gonna get worse as the time passes

[static canopy]

Bfv is where shitstsrted going down

[pulsar shard]

yea

[covert nest]

Bf5 cod like?

[mossy marten]

people basing stuff off a 144p clip when assault class perks were leaked 2 weeks ago 😭

[covert nest]

We would've known more perks were released.

[mossy marten]

let's just wait and see until we get more leaks and/or they announce stuff

[static canopy]

You know they have perfectly made blueprints to copy and they are gonna insert their one brain cell ideas every single time

That people are gonna hate

[mossy marten]

again, let's wait for more information
someone who uploaded a clip that is barely viewable is not enought info

[static canopy]

If this turns into another cod i would love to see EA go down just like ubisoft ruined ac

Let the Chinese make a better game lmfao

[mossy marten]

me playing AC:Shadows right now:

[static canopy]

And they are

[covert nest]

Delta force lol

Yeah dude that's doing better

[glad trench]

What's the perfect blueprint? A game over 10 years old?

[glad trench]

never found any of the skins in 2042 to be crazy, they fit the setting extremely well.

[mossy marten]

well, there is:
the lava/glowing skins for some of the specialists
the crawford "Andrew Tate skin"
falck with skull mask
the new robot skins

those are teetering on the line

[glad trench]

In what way is BF V a wannabe COD or remotely resembling COD?

[glad trench]

Again, going off the game's setting and crackpot "lore" the skins fit the game lol

[mossy marten]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-15443279863443554147

[pulsar shard]

ice skating every 1 second in the map @static canopy

[mossy marten]

embeb fail, i know

it's like everybody forgets CoD didn't invent sliding in FPS games

[glad trench]

I see more movement abuse like this in BF4 than anything in BF V https://youtu.be/LK__JYeFUuk?si=WQUnTRjGeDbyp5wu

And apparently sliding is only a COD thing, not an arcade shooter thing

[pulsar shard]

i know they are people who abuse exploits in BF4

Yes slide is a titan fall mechanic

but i said cod because its now a trend to have it

[mossy marten]

not including exploits
there are still ways to have crazy movement in BF4 lol

[glad trench]

BF has always followed arcade shooter market trends in regards to movement/gunplay

COD had sprinting before BF added it in BF2, is that chasing a trend?

[glad trench]

nah BF4 was weighty, slow, tactical, milsim-lite /s

[mossy marten]

you right

[pulsar shard]

yes those games had stamina bar

with the sprint

[glad trench]

definently don't remember "vets" complaining nonstop about how BF 3/4 were too much like COD back in the day either

[pulsar shard]

nothing wrong with adding sprinting because every game should have it

BF4 and bf3 is okay

its only the people on PC who made it look like cod

[mossy marten]

but they copied a CoD mechanic, thus making it a wannabe CoD

[pulsar shard]

how exactly

they just took out the stamina

[mossy marten]

i could say the same thing about sliding

[pulsar shard]

they had already sprint

[mossy marten]

🤷‍♂️

[glad trench]

1942 and vietnam didn't have a sprint

[mossy marten]

having a slide doesn't make it a CoD wannabe

[glad trench]

1942 had a jetpack tho

[pulsar shard]

yea because they were ww2 and vietnam game

and very old games

[glad trench]

TDIL soldiers couldn't run in the 40s through the 70s

So you're arguing gameplay mechanics evolve with improvement in video game technology

Like how better collision detection and hitboxes have enabled the use of sliding

[pulsar shard]

you cant compare the most basic mechanic that has been around since game exists

to a mechanic like slide

slide is not a must have

sprint is

[glad trench]

sprinting wasn't around for a long time in shooters

too taxing for rendering engines

[pulsar shard]

sliding is only making your character look goofy

[glad trench]

look goofy to enable better gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

[pulsar shard]

so game without it isn't not better?

[mossy marten]

cool
make it goofy just like me launching an IFV with C4 or standing on top of a jet to zook another jet

[pulsar shard]

is making soldiers run with skate rollers better gameplay

[glad trench]

a modern arcade shooter with no slide dies quick

[mossy marten]

yes

[pulsar shard]

BF3 is millions times better without slide

[glad trench]

people have felt how good it feels to play with a slide, the cat isn't going back in the bag

[pulsar shard]

Okay

[glad trench]

I'd argue BF3 with a slide would feel great

[pulsar shard]

Warhammer games

space marine 1

pvp

[mossy marten]

oh wait
that's this new game

[pulsar shard]

no slide

space marine 2 pvp

[glad trench]

what part of arcade shooter and genres do you not understand

[pulsar shard]

same engine same mechanics improved animations

still sold 25 mil copies

[glad trench]

Marvel Rivals doesn't have a slide, maybe certain characters do

[pulsar shard]

its an arcade shooter

[glad trench]

because it's a different genre of shooter

[pulsar shard]

so without slide you still have a great game

its still an arcade fps shooter like halo

[glad trench]

Halo is much more on the arena shooter side of the venn diagram

[pulsar shard]

they have climb abilities

slide doesn't make any much difference

[glad trench]

so why do you care if it's in the game

[pulsar shard]

I think BFV is a great game

[glad trench]

if it doesn't make a difference

[pulsar shard]

even without slide

[glad trench]

and it's better with a slide

[pulsar shard]

because it doesn't fit battlefield

if you could use it on ledges

then yes

but straight surface while spamming it looks goofy

[glad trench]

neither did sprint for ~4 years of the franchise's lifespan

then they added it

mantling wasn't in the game for over a decade

take that out people would say "this feels like shit"

[pulsar shard]

sprint was there but it wasn't called sprint back then

it had stamina

and the speed was slow

[mossy marten]

ok, still a thing that lets you move faster, that's still a sprint in simple terminology...

[pulsar shard]

then they added the animation for the sprint and increased the speed

yeaa but people can still live without slide

its not like it will make any difference

sprint is a must in every game

[glad trench]

Does it hurt being you? Continuously tripping over your own logic

[pulsar shard]

like it said it looks goofy and my response was to @static canopy

[mossy marten]

and people can live without a lot of things in BF, let's go back to BF1942 gameplay
it's a slide, it's not like your gonna be flying on walls and shit like it's titanfall

[pulsar shard]

you trying to force me your logic down my throat

like your opinion is right or wrong

[glad trench]

no, I want you to follow your own logic

[pulsar shard]

neither is right or wrong

my logic is this mechanic leans more into a movement shooter rather than battlefield

[glad trench]

Sprint is a must in every game, despite not being a mechanic in many shooters for years up until the mid 2000s.

Unlike sliding in arcade shooters that came into prominence in the mid 2010s

[pulsar shard]

You cant advertise your game as modern shooter set in our time

and have people skate whole map

if its a future battlefield like 2042 then yeah slide fits in

[mossy marten]

sigh
imma leave this discussion, seems like BF reddit is funneling into here for some reason

[pulsar shard]

Oh yeah you gonna assume im a mil sim player too

because i dont like to skate spam every 1 second ?

[glad trench]

No, I assume you have no idea what you're talking about and assign some false mental narrative to what BF is or isn't in your head

[pulsar shard]

im talking to visual

yeah zeethos but watch this

have you seen what happend to cod

how did it end up like

it lost its idenity this last 10 years

same thing will happen to battlefield because of this

[glad trench]

You're argument is that advancement in movement tech is the reason CoD is where it is...

jesus

[pulsar shard]

okay lets name it apexfield at this point

if you wanna run like your life depends on it

[glad trench]

MW 2019 (aka shorter than 10 years ago) was seen as a highlight in the franchise's history

[pulsar shard]

lets make every game the same

[glad trench]

them flubbing the last couple years isn't losing their identity

[clear viper]

This has gotta be bait lmao

[glad trench]

again, logic all over the place

[tall urchin]

CoD lost their identity not at all from the introduction of any mechanics. It lost identity because it became a game with absolutely zero skill gaps, predatory matchmaking, and monetization that best suited casual player retention through those additions to infrastructure.

[pulsar shard]

You guys want competiteness in battlefield

which is something battlefield never was

[glad trench]

We want skill expression within a casual environment

[tall urchin]

Multi-player shooters are always competitive.

[glad trench]

we don't want SBMM etc

[pulsar shard]

yea you can have skill without slide

that's what im saying

you have so many ways of using your skill

[glad trench]

No you were saying it doesn't belong cuz it looks goofy

[clear viper]

Battlefield has had a competitive scene since 1942 that is a dumb statement

[tall urchin]

And movement is one of them, and more is better.

[pulsar shard]

show me the rank gamemode

[clear viper]

? It still had a competitive scene I don't get your point.

[glad trench]

Private leagues/servers...

[clear viper]

No Battlefeild game except Hardline has had defined ranked matches

[glad trench]

Dude, you honestly have no idea what you're talking about in regards to BF, COD or any context of shooters

Like do a little reading or go play the games for a few hours

[clear viper]

Anyways sliding is cool movement tech and a fine addition. The movement looks cool af

Honestly I think every FPS game should have a crouch sprint. One of my favorite movement mechanics from BFV

[pulsar shard]

So i have no idea

[glad trench]

Crouch sprinting was amazing

[pulsar shard]

because i say slide doesn't belong here

[covert nest]

Dunno about you but cod and battlefield infantry wise has played pretty similarly since I first played since bf3.

Battlefield has a lot of additions stacked on top of it to make the battles larger and more cinematic.

[glad trench]

Ya, you don't. Sliding has been in BF for going on 10 years by the time this game launches. That's (10/22 years the franchise has been around, ~42%), it's a core feature now

[clear viper]

No, you have no idea because you're saying stuff that isn't true because you're an absurdly rose-tinted movement purist

[pulsar shard]

Many people would agree with me

that BF3 movement is superior

just because you like movement more doesn't make your opinion right

[glad trench]

Infantry has played similar across both franchises lifespans

[clear viper]

And they would unfortunately be wrong and full of nostalgia

[pulsar shard]

no nostalgia at all

im not even that old im 23

ive tried every battlefield

[glad trench]

If there are people I don't listen to, it's grown men constantly crying about new game mechanic. Which this fanbase is ripe with

[clear viper]

I didn't say you lmao

[pulsar shard]

and i can say that BF3 simple movement is way better than this cringy new trend movement thing

[clear viper]

BF3 movement is basic and technically uncomplex and isn't the standard for casual shooters anymore.

[pulsar shard]

No one is crying i was just responding to someone else and you only came here to gank me just because i expressed my opinion

[glad trench]

I'm referring to the many that agree with you that you referenced. Aka the BF reddit community

[covert nest]

Yeah they have. Players have just gotten better.

Bf5s movement was genuinely good.

[pulsar shard]

Yeah im not that type of guy to complain in reddit

Im just saying how cringy the slide feels and look in Battlefield

[glad trench]

buzzwords gunna buzz

[clear viper]

It has been in the series for almost 10 years

[pulsar shard]

9 years

almost 10 yes

[clear viper]

Considering they said the same thing twice with different words and haven't been in the convo they're just looking for a reaction, don't dignify it with a response

[pulsar shard]

Bro you can go play every day BFV

and still enjoy your movement

i couldn't care less

the community has been shit since BF4

[glad trench]

You can go play BF3/4

[pulsar shard]

I am playing

im not gonna touch the cringe codfield

[covert nest]

Bf5 bueno sliding was so good

[clear viper]

Then stay there and live in the past lol

[glad trench]

cool, keep playing them and let the new games evolve past mechanics from 14 years ago

[pulsar shard]

I am staying

evolve into a cancer you mean

[mossy marten]

[pulsar shard]

a kids garden

[glad trench]

BF5 was peak BF gameplay. If it had received the post launch support BF4 and 2042 had it would've gone down as the GOAT for everyone that wasn't some gamergate tard

[covert nest]

@mossy marten did you ever see cy post this

[pulsar shard]

dont fix something that isn't broken wise words

[clear viper]

This stuff makes me laugh lol. Battlefield players think cod is such an insult and can't fathom the idea of those games having a single good mechanic lol

[pulsar shard]

lol okay

[mossy marten]

i saw you post it a while back in this chat about movement with BSoD lol

[covert nest]

ohhh

RIGHT

[pulsar shard]

BF1 20+ millions copies

BFV 7mil 2042 4 mil

[mossy marten]

but that g slide chef kiss

[pulsar shard]

yeah

such a good games

movement really matters

[covert nest]

Yeah totally 7 mil 5 years later. I'm glad you specified a date.

[glad trench]

BF1 was pretty much the only modern BF (going back to BC2) that released in a working state

[pulsar shard]

show me the copies bro

[covert nest]

I'd argue bf5 to an extent? I dunno the game was pretty broken but it wasn't broken to the point it was unplayable.

[pulsar shard]

BF1 had slide too but it sold more copies because of the atmosphere and immersion and chaos

[glad trench]

BFV released under a PR disaster and normal BF launch where it is buggy as shit.

2042 was horrifically underbaked and broken at launch

[covert nest]

Bfh launched well too

Yeah

[clear viper]

Those games didn't sell less copies because they had movement lmao, they sold less because they had abysmal launches and bad pr throughout most of their lifecycles.

[glad trench]

It did

[pulsar shard]

movement was a reason why many didn't bought it

[covert nest]

Pr for bf5 was a fucking mess and not because of movement its like what.

[tall urchin]

So BF1 is better because it appealed to the masses which are inherently dumb as shit? Good to know. Guess I better throw out all my records too for some radio artists sampling other people's music.

[glad trench]

Always had fun playing Hardline, but again this dogshit community will hate anything that isn't some BF 2/3/4 clone

[clear viper]

Just factually untrue, I don't think you've talked to a single person who didn't buy those games lol

[covert nest]

God dude can you quit being a shitter and just admit you don't like the direction of the player base on what's been encouraged.

[pulsar shard]

i did his here @pine sigil

[covert nest]

Like dude you see someone play fast and you whine

Maybe consider battlefield isn't for you?

[clear viper]

Huh

[pulsar shard]

no one is whining these guys responding to me

[covert nest]

I see you crying about movement.

[pulsar shard]

then scrol all the way up

and read it from the start

[tall urchin]

I've started FPS since the days of the OG Wolfenstein and the movement additions to games over the years have only increased skill ceilings and player agency and responsiveness. They are healthy for the genre.

[pulsar shard]

you dont even know how this conversation started

[glad trench]

The funniest thing is that I largely play slow, methodical, hold sight lines. Only use sliding for getting in and out of cover. Killing people spamming it has never been a problem nor bothered me

[covert nest]

It was about a dual primary set up.

[ruby merlin]

Battlefield isn't a milsim, if you don't like it then play a milsim game

[glad trench]

that's not the logic he's been using lol

[pulsar shard]

.

[covert nest]

Battlefield taught me the value of playing defensively.

[pulsar shard]

read this

[covert nest]

Yeah about how apparently battlefield has been slowly becoming more and more like cod which like no

[pulsar shard]

I dont like milsims i like my game being like BF3 you go play apex legends

[covert nest]

Players have migrated from cod.

[clear viper]

Even then some milsims DO HAVE SLIDING!! Insurgency Sandstorm still has sliding.

[ruby merlin]

Apparently sliding=cod

[covert nest]

Which has changed the playerbase.

[glad trench]

Can mods remove this melf tard

[covert nest]

I'm a cod migrator.

[ruby merlin]

Not like there are plenty of games with sliding lmao

[covert nest]

And this was like a decade ago

[glad trench]

literally just low tier troll bait

[clear viper]

Then play BF3 and stop whining about how games are advancing from 11 years ago lolol

[ruby merlin]

Brother the slide isn't nearly as fast as apex, also inertia as well.

Whats your point

[covert nest]

It's just a battlefield player

[pulsar shard]

no one is whining lol who asked you to respond to me

[glad trench]

kek

[tall urchin]

But moving away from their trash aim is cheating

[pulsar shard]

i was having a conversation with @static canopy

[pulsar shard]

its very goofy and cringe that's all

[clear viper]

You're in a public discord server. Other people are gonna respond lol

[ruby merlin]

💀

[ruby merlin]

Minimal sliding got you so mad

[covert nest]

Like keep in mind

[ruby merlin]

That's wild

How about you adapt

[glad trench]

sir I only have 40 bullets in this extended mag, you expect me to hit them with any of those if they slide?

[ruby merlin]

Simple

You realize in battlefield 4 there's crazy movement tech right?

[covert nest]

If i wanted titanfall movement I would be playing titanfall.

[clear viper]

Fun fact 2042 actually has a slower slide than V

[ruby merlin]

Fucking sliding across the floors?

[pulsar shard]

I play apex legends i know how to adapt

[ruby merlin]

No different

Bunny hoping and stuff

[pulsar shard]

is there a problem with having preferences?

[ruby merlin]

There's no different 💀

[tall urchin]

Some of these players couldn't even hit dirt if not for modeled bullet drop

[ruby merlin]

Cool

[covert nest]

Cod has become hyper paced and for the worse.

[pulsar shard]

i dont like my battlefield game to look like apex

[glad trench]

Then you should know that sliding doesn't make these games play the same

[covert nest]

Look or play?

[ruby merlin]

Not really just these complaints aren't really valid

[glad trench]

brave of you to assume they fire their guns

[pulsar shard]

just my opinion

[covert nest]

Battlefield will never play like apex and the fact that you're thinking like that is crazy.

[ruby merlin]

Ok

[mossy marten]

[clear viper]

Keep in mind these are the same types of people who would've gotten mad at you for dropshotting or jumpshooting in BF3 lol, they just move the goalposts because for some reason they're allergic to change

[covert nest]

And besides

What's so bad being able to infinitely slide down a hill?

[tall urchin]

They do, just at nothing in particular to take in all the immersion.

[ruby merlin]

Ehhh this is subjective mostly

[pulsar shard]

So wanting battlefield to play like battlefield is illegal nowdays okaay got it

[glad trench]

I didn't fire my gun cuz I was fuming that the BF V trailer had a woman with a prosthetic arm

still the reason I haven't fired my gun yet

[pulsar shard]

How about we add jetpacks

like 2142

[glad trench]

1942 already did

[covert nest]

Like look. I understand how tiring it is to deal with hyper pacing.

[ruby merlin]

Battlefield 4 had people sliding across the floor and bunny hopping, there's no difference

[mossy marten]

Battlefield still plays like Battlefield, i don't know what you're on about

[ruby merlin]

Me when an arcady game is arcady😂

[covert nest]

Battlefield is great because you can set the pacing yourself.

[pulsar shard]

yes lets add jetpacks again

[pulsar shard]

exploits mechanics

[ruby merlin]

True

[pulsar shard]

no intented mechanics by devs

[ruby merlin]

Bf4 is annoying on pc bc of the sliding across floors

[pulsar shard]

I agree

BF4 is better on console

[ruby merlin]

But likewise there's no difference from hopping around like normal in 4 and sliding

[tall urchin]

Lots of games got better because of aspects developers didn't consider but players utilized to make a game more complex

[ruby merlin]

I've barely played on pc so I'm guessing on console it's more of the normal vanilla experience of the game

[pulsar shard]

yes because this is how its intented

[ruby merlin]

More casual

[glad trench]

nah there's still people zooming all over the place in BF4 console

[ruby merlin]

True

[pulsar shard]

on pc many people trying to abuse exploits

[mossy marten]

true, slide cancelling in mw19 for example. it was a bug, but became a main stay for the franchise (not including mwii)

[static canopy]

U tagged me three times, can u stop

I'm not having a conversation with you

[ruby merlin]

I mean even not talking about the slithering on floors you can jump around a lot so

[glad trench]

lmaoooooo

[clear viper]

LMAO

[glad trench]

bro got rejected by BF bae

[pulsar shard]

Okay dont cry

[tall urchin]

Slide cancelling, combos in OG Street Fighter, tap strafing in Titanfall, moving and looting in Apex, etc it's all about how developers look at the feedback on exploits and temper which ones are healthy for their games

[pulsar shard]

conversation started by your comment on BFV

[ruby merlin]

💀

[clear viper]

I hope the next game has some crazy movement tech bug just so this guy gets pissed off lol

[glad trench]

LoL is literally just the playerbase using champs in ways that Riot didn't intend then they decide if they like that and pivot the design to that or remove it

[covert nest]

Cod isn't even fun these days. People reminisce on the older games.

Black ops 2 was an amazing game.

[pulsar shard]

If you cant get single kill without an exploit thats on your side

[clear viper]

BO6 is fun for like an hour sometimes. Not as good as some of the older titles

[ruby merlin]

I miss Halo 3 days

[glad trench]

More of a Blops 1 guy myself, didn't like Blops 2 too much. Didn't cry about it though, just stopped playing and moved onto something else

[clear viper]

Uhhh who said I can't? Lol

[covert nest]

Is pushing up with the thumbstick to control recoil an exploit?

Wait my bad I play on invert

Err

[clear viper]

Gulp..

[tall urchin]

If you have the read that a player is going to use something and you don't punish them for it, then that's skill issue on your end

[mossy marten]

you play on invert? bold

[ruby merlin]

Wait pushing up on the stick makes the recoil go down 🤯🤯🤯

Jk lol

[clear viper]

I've never actually met someone who plays on invert this is a new experience

[pulsar shard]

We are talking about an exploit mechanic not an actual mechanic

[covert nest]

Witness my recoil control femoid.

[glad trench]

brain is actually short circuiting thinking about it

[tall urchin]

Mechanics are mechanics, use it or don't but don't expect better players to avoid them just because of your feelings.

[mossy marten]

invert on MnK no less, i commend you

[ruby merlin]

Battlefield 2042 doesn't have much recoil, also you are using a portal weapon on 2 round burst. Portal weapons are known for having less recoil sorta

[pulsar shard]

Justying exploits is not right

[glad trench]

doesn't look like BF, you slid

[ruby merlin]

Portal weapons feel wierd

[covert nest]

xP

[covert nest]

I'm using tac comp too

[glad trench]

RIP AN-94

[clear viper]

If it didn't get patched it's not an exploit

[ruby merlin]

Lol

[ruby merlin]

💀

[pulsar shard]

it is an exploit because there is no actual setting for it

[clear viper]

I'M WEAK

[ruby merlin]

Wild

[pulsar shard]

because they didn't fixed it doesn't mean it was intented

it was 2000s back then

it was hard back then to fix such exploits

[covert nest]

I exploit welfare.

Don't call the government on me.

[glad trench]

As you should

[clear viper]

Guess having fov at the default is an exploit because there's no setting for it on console...pack it up guys

[mossy marten]

2013/14 was not that long ago

[tall urchin]

Honestly my taxes should be used to make people's lives better that's the whole point of such systems

[clear viper]

Should clarify I'm specifically talking about BF4 and prior here I don't remember if Hardline has an FOV slider but I know BF1 and beyond do for console

[covert nest]

Absolutely.

[ruby merlin]

Hardline doesn't

[covert nest]

Pay for our teachers, etc.

[tall urchin]

Bro says that looking like Act Man closet cosplaying Dante

[pulsar shard]

bro you cant talk without insults

zero arguments

[ruby merlin]

What is going on

[tall urchin]

That's literally just a response to your same actions lol what

[mossy marten]

idk, but i got some popcorn

[tall urchin]

I literally cannot even begin to fathom the whirlwind of nonsense that goes on in that noggin

[clear viper]

The BF community is like a circus and I am in it for the ride

[covert nest]

You are not good with jokes.

[glad trench]

Dude, please just stop. You've been dragged by multiple people at this point

including the man you kept trying to agree with

[covert nest]

Being more fair here. I do think there's a line at what's too fast and what's suitable for x game.

Battlefields pacing has always been relatively been the same in large part due to the map design and catered player actions.

[clear viper]

Uhh idk what you're takking about I've been on his twitter and if that's his face he literally looks like an average man and not ugly in any way lmaooo

[covert nest]

I don't think battlefield will get to that point considering how dice thinks.

[pulsar shard]

Well he started insulting while i was using arguments

[pulsar shard]

i couldn't care less

[tall urchin]

He probably saw a picture of me with my wife and can't comprehend what it must be like to have someone tolerate him for even a moment

I get it

[clear viper]

I didn't really like the tac sprint in 2042 just because it felt a little too arcade for me since BF is sort of a fine line between arcade in milsim and I personally didn't like it, but I get why they did it since the maps were all gonna be huge (originally anyways lol)

[covert nest]

Uh oh

[clear viper]

LOL probably

[pulsar shard]

Discord moderators at its finest

[covert nest]

I was thinking too much of this and I put too much pepper in my marinade

Who

[tall urchin]

Honestly I agree on removing tac sprint, it doesn't add anything.

[clear viper]

I'm actually curious what is your guys' consensus on the trav/tac sprint here? Besides comboman lol because I already know the answer

[clear viper]

I see I see

[glad trench]

tac sprint isn't needed if they just added more ATVs around the map

[covert nest]

Their maps needn't to be so large.

And or just actually well paced

[glad trench]

launch maps were gonna be busted no matter what being designed around 64v64

[tall urchin]

What are you preparing?

[mossy marten]

i too am curious

[pulsar shard]

show your face on pfp bro

[covert nest]

Beef roast

Pepper parsley salt and rosemary

[mossy marten]

[clear viper]

Yeah it just felt so tacked on. I think they took a little too much inspo for cod because they were like "well cods in the lead right now and we're behind, let's grab as much as we can" and some of that stuff didn't work, tac sprint being the biggest example I can think of but it was also prevalent in the controls at launch where throwables were selected with an identical input to warzone (at least on console no idea if this is the same for pc because I'm poor and not a pc gamer) and ofc the specialist which were a big mirror of the Operators from cod

I did not mean for that message to be so massive oops

I have the attention span of a hamster

[covert nest]

Mum and dad say i make amazing roasts.

[tall urchin]

Gotcha, not really anything you can use to counteract more pepper without completely altering the marinade.

[glad trench]

The game was being built from the start as an extraction/battle royale hybrid. Wouldn't say they were looking at COD to hard other than the success (at the time) of Battle Royales

They pivoted after they realized (too late) how busted and stupid that would be

[tall urchin]

Yeah I think tac sprint was a leftover aspect from traversing large BR style areas.

[glad trench]

and we ended up with frankstein the shooter that didn't work on any techincal level at launch

[clear viper]

I've actually heard this before but uh what was the evidence for this? I don't remember it 😭

[glad trench]

Jason Schreier had a piece on it, trying to find it

Tom Henderson leaker guy was saying pretty much the same thing before Jason wrote about it too.

[wicked dock]

Just make more marinade freeze extra

[covert nest]

Oh God I forgot about tom

He's so annoying

[teal dune]

Tom Henderson had been hinting at it for weeks cryptic tweets, vague Discord announcments before Jason Schreier came in with his classic, well-sourced exposé. But was Henderson actually ahead of the curve, or was he just setting the stage for Schreier to come in and confirm everything? Some saw it as a classic leaker vs. journalist rivalry, while others suspected the industry itself was behind it, strategically dropping info to control the narrative. Either way, the cycle continued: leaks, speculation, and the gaming world eating it all up.

[glad trench]

It ain't that deep. Tom obviously had someone(s) on the inside at some point where he was getting his info from and it was validated by a well sourced journalist.

[teal dune]

I get where you're coming from, but I disagree. It’s not always that simple. Sure, Tom had sources, and Schreier verified, but there’s always a bit of a game being played. Sometimes leaks are strategic, sometimes they’re accidental, and sometimes they’re just plain wrong. The way info moves through the industry isn’t always a straight line it’s a mix of real scoops, controlled leaks, and guesswork. So yeah, the cycle repeats, but there’s usually more to it than just “one guy heard it first, another guy confirmed.”

[summer mason]

hello everyone, website crash? or not? how i solve this? Server Error in '/' Application.

[tepid plinth]

So, leaning
Saw some things on Reddit, seems they are taking a different approach this time

[nimble bridge]

Halo was better without sprint

[feral garden]

Armor abilities in Halo Reach were really fun

[nimble bridge]

Good, maybe those CoD players will help us make BF have movement again

[rotund pier]

Eh?

You talking like any bf was slow

[nimble bridge]

BC games were slow

[pallid coral]

times have changed

[manic gate]

Just like war

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-metal-gear-solid-v-snake-big-boss-gif-6526414909388443363

[pallid coral]

there's 95 different meanings of the word "movement" being used for BF

[sweet flume]

The slower the better.. provides more opportunities to be tactical. These new BFs are straight garbage with their twitching to hit someone first.

Go play LameofDuty if you want to be a hyper twitchy adhd kid.

[covert nest]

Battlefield has always had an emphasis on reaction on gunfights.

A fundamental part of a shooter.

[nimble bridge]

I would if it wasn't for SBMM

[devout gazelle]

Even BF2 had dolphin dive. Not sure where all those movement haters and slow-paced milisim lovers come crawling from. It's like they are all wearing some weird pink nostalgia spectacles which lets them forget all the things that were an integral part of the series.

[minor linden]

Imo it’s mainly because high-movement is the normal playstyle now. Back in bf2 days, you’d only have like 2 players a match doing fast-paced movement with everyone else playing slowly.

Nowadays, basically everyone is constantly using movement tech so it’s a lot more noticeable

[versed token]

I've said it before and i'll say it again, people only remember the movement by how they played

[minor linden]

That too

[versed token]

Not what's actually possible in the game

[minor linden]

I remember the grappling hook from HL being a really big part of movement, but others don’t even remember it

Situations like that happen with every game

[safe moat]

Also like as David Sirland(lead producer of this BF) said, to make our proper feedback and feelings of it, seeing it is not enough. we need to play it to actually have a feel for it

[fleet robin]

good way to put it

everyone says 2042 is too fast but were perfectly fine with bf3 and 4

[safe moat]

2042 feels "fast" because of animations i think

but gameplay wise whenever i play bit i dont feel fast

[fleet robin]

probably

and the placebo of having an extra type of sprint probably

[safe moat]

I believe Tac Sprint of 2042 is like idk, 0.1m/s slower than BF4 Sprint

[fleet robin]

iirc it's basically the same speed as bf4 with the assault perk

[safe moat]

but the animation makes it feel faster than it

[fleet robin]

base sprint is the same

[safe moat]

without perks lets say

[tiny crystal]

Bf players generally want movement and gunplay to at least feel realistic. Instead of like most modern offerings that are basically equilibrium style gun-fu.

[fleet robin]

except 2042 which is a carbon copy of bf4, of course

[young jetty]

Personally it looks good imo

[nimble bridge]

Not in BF tbh, bots are using more movement than players

I hope BF6 is good and we will get more CoD migratories, they will use the movement that's for sure instead of being stationaries

[mossy marten]

agreed, most BF players play worse than the bots in the Rush Overdrive mode

[glacial orchid]

Man those bots gave me nightmares taking my tags twice this week

😭

But yeah the movement on them is insane at times. They did a good job on those

[mossy marten]

me seeing a fucking AI slide jumping and bhopping:

[glacial orchid]

or use the McKay grapple hook and shoot you mid air like some bat out of hell

[glad trench]

Ya that’s because most people were astronomical ass at games back then along with shitty pcs/internet

[glad trench]

Well that’s a projection

[tiny crystal]

Follow the bf community and the prevailing voice sums up as "more realistic than CoD" which doesn't mean milsim but not the most trash version of arcade either.

[tiny crystal]

Based on what lol other than your opinion.

Overall there are more no lifers but something you have now that didn't exist even a decade ago was the persistent catering in balance to a particularly whiny group of a specific playstyle. You had to figure out a game.. not wait for devs to cater to your crying. Good example is base warzone and then later with 2.0. Too often "lack of skill gap mechanics" criticism is cope for a game not catering to the lowest form of fps balance..

[nimble bridge]

Games had more variety back then, don't like fast TTK of BF? You can play CoD. Don't like fast movement and pacing of CoD? You can play BF. Don't like either, you can play Halo etc. What else is there to play now? You can either play this year's CoD or last year's CoD. Everything else on the market is a hero shooter or a battle royale or an extraction shooter.

[mossy marten]

or a sbmm fest (CoD)

[tiny crystal]

Exactly

[glad trench]

It’s commonly held and wide knowledge that your average player is much better at video games now than they were back then.

Due to more information that is very easy to access about games along with technological improvements.

This is shown everytime an older game gets rereleased or remastered and it gets beaten much easier

You can go pull up BF2 gameplay from way back and watch how clueless most of them are compared to modern players.

[tiny crystal]

Remasters are almost always rebalanced as part of the remaster so I wouldn't trust that as any kind of accurate metric. I'd be interested in seeing any of the studies done if you have links to them pertaining to the subject at hand?

[tiny crystal]

Lol what the like three people that did anything resembling streaming then? Id guarantee that the small handfull of original gameplay is no where near representative of the general skill at that time. If we are just using current existing gameplay footage as evidence there are a myriad of videos that exist of streamers being helpless in old games as well when they attempt to play originals from the late 80s to early 2000's. It's widely known that current games have an incredible amount of hand holding built into them.

[versed token]

I still see some real clueless people playing right now

[tepid plinth]

And anything that you could play is dead as a new shooter is doomed to run out of players in a year

[nimble bridge]

I think that's due to SBMM, every modern shooter dies in 3-6 months because it gets ''sweaty''

No new games coming out is the reason why players are trying to change the existing games though

But BF Labs style early alphas are the future of online gaming imo, no reason to not have feedback from players before you release it

I would say it's the future of gaming as a whole but it's harder to do with singleplayer games

[tepid plinth]

Playtesting is done regardless of course

Although technically ground zeroes was kinda like a playtest

[nimble bridge]

40$ playtest 🤣

[winter viper]

Or, and here's a crazy thought lol, turn your FOV to 55 and it will "feel" slower. Problem solved

[young jetty]

2042 did not really had any type of playtesting/CTE if I’m not mistaken

[nimble bridge]

They did, DICE just ignored suggestions 🤣

[grand marten]

Hello, it would be cool if in the new btf for fighter jets could extend its altitude limits, more skins that could change also the planes or helicopters designs to make them kinda diverse or premium in a sort of way. Another cool feature may be the possibility to have more types of plane or helicopter, kind a selection of the type of plane you would like to flight in the game ✌️ there other cool ideas that I have. Just wanted to share my current thought 🙂
Exited tutor the new btf ❤️

[young pier]

new signup??

[half halo]

It was this morning from 9:00 to 10:30 sorry

[sturdy ivy]

how many sign up will they be doing during this whole process

[young pier]

bruh

[mossy marten]

sign ups or invites?
because probably lots of people signed up, easily over a million
invites, prob only a couple tens of thousands if the news post is to be believed

[sturdy ivy]

make sense
How long do the pre-alpha test last
as in, when you get the email how long will the test be open

[young pier]

I want to play the playtest so bad

[mossy marten]

all the information regarding tests and stuff will be in the email if you get an invite, otherwise, talking about it will get you in trouble

[sturdy ivy]

oh okay
got it

[past furnace]

[half halo]

Hello there

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-general-kenobi-star-wars-grevious-gif-17774326

[cursive ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-utapau-grievous-vs-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-16257318

[ebon beacon]

Literally this ^, man I the movement debate is getting out of hand...

Same goes for the ones complaining that the reload and ADS is fast

[tiny crystal]

People aren't being honest about the debate. It's players who believe they should be able to "outplay" every single dumb maneuver they make and the game should provide them every advantage to do so, like sprinting head on out into the open at someone in cover whose already aiming at you and win 90% of the time... versus the guy in said cover who believes it should be very realistic and punishing for the person making dumb maneuvers. Reality is BF isn't he'll let loose nor is it CoD or Apex. Its always been a 60% faux realism 40% grounded arcade shooter. And needs to maintain that balance to seperate itself from the rest the market right now.

[ebon beacon]

Honestly the outplay they're talking about is using jump peeking (which is used in BF3 and BF4) to surprise the enemy hiding or aiming in cover plus sliding even in BFV was mostly used as a defensive tool since you get to cover immediately and has a chance of being alive at the same time since you can't spam it since it kills your movement and you can't aim while using at the same time

[lyric raft]

Me every morning/evening, putting in search section in my email "EA".

[knotty iron]

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-gif-25866507

me returning to my email to see the war machine event trailer

[tall urchin]

No amount of movement mechanics let you outplay from a position in the open unless the other player is so abysmally terrible they can't hit you regardless unless your feet are soldered to the ground.

Trying to make an FPS that won't bruise their ego will only make a bad FPS.

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-lightsabers-many-arms-kenobi-star-wars-gif-9263079835537961332

[mint cobalt]

I probably will not get a chance to be a part of the Battlefield Lab to give my two cents, aside from that I also have another personal intention that's nothing serious, to explain since BF3 I've been doing this thing where base of the Map's environment, atmosphere, and setting, I select a Music Album (whether it is from a Movies, Games, or TV Series) for that map, this is the best way of what I mean:

BF3 Maps

Operation Metro - Inception

Caspian Border - Ace Combat 5

Operation Firestorm - Final Fantasy XII

Grand Bazaar - Halo ODST

Damavand peak - Terminator Salvation

Tehran Highway - Assassin Creed 2

Seine Crossing - Transformer Dark of the Moon

Kharg Island - Battle L.A.

Noshahr Canals - Halo Reach

why I do this? I don't know I have been doing this kind of stuff as a kid, and I really can't explain why I find this so fascinating

[nimble bridge]

[tiny crystal]

Your statement should be true but isn't for a decent number of current games lol. Whether directly or indirectly current games are designed in a way to cater to being able to do just that. Whether it's having an absurdly high time to kill or the ability to endlessly spam sprints, slides, and dives without any drop off in accuracy during these actions.. or in the case of omnimovement sliding literally accelerates you in whichever direction you wish to slide and tou can nonsensically spam it lol. Even something indirect like warzone where you more or less have endless ways of being brought back in immediately... all incentivise/forgive heavily poor positional play. It's not that even one of these things is insanely difficult to overcome it looks incredibly stupid and kills it in a way that gears of war multiplayer killed itself with a similarly stupid looking movement meta.

[tiny crystal]

Which is exactly the way you'd want slide or similar included for. I agree would be a non issue if designed that way. It becomes a problem when people want to be able to do all that while maintaining the ability to shoot with marksman level accuracy. That can stay in CoD.

[nimble bridge]

CoD lives rent free in BF playerbase's minds

[manic gate]

for real

[mossy marten]

💯

[ebon beacon]

Tbf the leak footage of it already showed that when the player is doing a slide, his gun goes in the slide in which you can aim while doing it or hipfire while doing it

So they're already taking precautions by adding penalties to it

Hell might as well predict that you can't spam since one of the player shown that he was actually trying to do it but it was in a cooldown or waiting for a the right speed before doing it again

[ebon beacon]

Fr, remember these are the guys that are calling BF3 a CoD game when they first revealed it and show a bits of gameplay

[tiny crystal]

👍

[tiny crystal]

Cause heaven forbid we have an FPS that isn't basically CoD lol.

[lethal crypt]

If all primary weapons are all class accessible, I think that would be a mistake... not sure if this channel is for feedback tho..

[nimble bridge]

BF players were saying this since Bad Company lol 🥱

[tiny crystal]

And they will for eternity. This is the way.

[nimble bridge]

Look at old forums, they will call so called ''hardcore milisim immersive'' games such as BF3 or 4 as CoD clones

[nimble bridge]

I think they haven't decided class restrictions yet, that's why they are available for everyone, I think they will be class locked in the final release too

[ebon beacon]

That's the only thing that worries me honestly I hope they do class lock weapon

[tiny crystal]

Did anyone ever actually consider them "hardcore milsim" lol. Wasn't much into forums back when I played them.

[tiny crystal]

Yes, I hope so too.

[nimble bridge]

Modern BF playerbase considers them as that, just like how they think 2042 is a CoD clone. Back then BF2-1942 players considered BF3-4 as CoD clones. Cycle just repeats itself 😛

[rugged seal]

gamefaqs still has forums open to see for old games

3700 pages for the bf3 one

[tiny crystal]

Yeah I mean compared to 1942 they certainly were different. Not sure I would have ever said clone though lol

[nimble bridge]

Perks worries me more than that tbh, also 3D spotting question

[nimble bridge]

Well not exactly a clone but I'm pretty sure they called them as ''wannabe CoD''

[tiny crystal]

Yeah isn't it like abilities that unlock during the match? Or legit perks seperate from that?

[nimble bridge]

Just like how modern BF playerbase calls 2042 as ''wannabe CoD''

[tiny crystal]

Yeah that's a bad generalization for what's really just a distaste for certain modern design tropes for the genre.

[nimble bridge]

I don't want to talk about it since I got muted for a week for talking about leaks, you can find them though, but yeah they are unlocked during the match, I just don't think they will be balanced at least not in the current state, recon tree looks cancer

[tiny crystal]

Agree I'm iffy on that they'll work or feel good.

[ebon beacon]

The ultimates yep I agree

[ebon beacon]

Pretty much work exactly the same as the Field Upgrades in BF4

You unlock during the match and resets the progression (from rank 2 to rank 3 progress) when you get killed

[mint cobalt]

I was thinking fuck it two weapons class for each class, Medic gets DMR and Assault Rifles, Engineer gets Carbine and Shotguns, Supports gets LMG and MMG, and Recons gets Sniper and SMG, no one to three weapon class can be access to all Classes, if it worked for BF1, it will work for BF6.

I feel like I am forgetting one weapon class

[nimble bridge]

There is no medic in BF6

Assault

• AR
  Engineer
• Carbine
  Support
• LMG
  Recon
• Sniper
  is the best imo, DMRs and SMGs and shotguns can be universal

[mint cobalt]

fine Assault class, geez it still applies to what I am saying

[nimble bridge]

Well your class balance is nice too but support should also have something else imo, LMG support will be weak

Even with healing

[mint cobalt]

no universal, I had this conversation with other people in this server and I notice Universal is the problem

[nimble bridge]

Support should still get something other than LMGs, maybe DMRs too?

[mint cobalt]

also honestly Support Class should just have Shotgun, majority players picking the Engineer will just stick with Carbine

[nimble bridge]

DMRs are least used class in any BF tbh, DMRs can be universal imo

[tall urchin]

Can confirm, everyone said BF3 was just CoD because you could actually strafe compared to BC2.

[mossy marten]

Thats wild

[tall urchin]

Now everyone praises BF3 as "real battlefield"

[nimble bridge]

You can run and ADS and shoot bro, it's just like CoD 🥶

[naive fractal]

oh nooooooooo extremely basic FPS movement that should be the bare minimum

oh noooo

[tall urchin]

Even wilder when you realize at that time was also shit like MW2 era CoD so you had care package tac knife sprinting

[mossy marten]

A wild enders has appeared
Pokemon battle music starts playing

[mint cobalt]

what do you mean Now? people have been praising BF3, even when BF4 announce, people criticize it just being a BF3.5