battlefield-labs-discussion

[mossy marten]

yeup, but it's fun when it's nearly full

[neat ginkgo]

Fair enough. I'm a pc gamer though. And at this point, anything is better than 2042 I feel

[mossy marten]

true

but also not true

[neat ginkgo]

Fine, candy crush is worse 😁

I'd play more BF4, if it weren't for the thousands of cheaters. Last real "good" BF game. Here's hoping the next one can recapture some of that

[mossy marten]

cheaters?
i have not met a cheater on BF4 since it's all community servers
Sweats, yes. Attack Heli skyboxers, the worst. Cheaters, no

[wheat niche]

bf4 is still active and still good nad bf3 also active for few server and rush in both is amazing bfv for tank and jet bf1 cinema but i don t like play bf1 all time too old war

bf2042 is not good and not bad fast wea is old seems old bf some new wea only and server lag

[signal vigil]

Wishing bad company 2 servers were still running on consoles rn

[silver cedar]

I hope the next game is good

[vague barn]

I really, really wish people would stop stating the obvious.

[silver cedar]

Huh?

But, I Believe the people at DICE is worker hard to give us an amazing game

[mossy marten]

what they mean is:
"We all want the next BF to be good, so why state that obvious fact"

[honest cliff]

This discord has a tendancy for noobs to just say something the community already knows

[silver cedar]

Ok

[stiff storm]

This server is full of people stating and asking the obvious xD

Some people lack a brain.

[honest cliff]

In perfect honesty a lot of people in here do, a lot of the time noobs are really clueless or speak really bad english so its hard to tell what theyre getting at

[half halo]

Pretty quiet in my inbox...
EA, did the pigeon delivering my invite got struck by Lightning or something?

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bf1-battlefield-1-ww1-pigeon-pigeons-pigeon-gif-7956530827719897878

Its on the way

[rotund pier]

LET ME INNNN

I want to play 😭

[mossy marten]

mine is missing a few brain cells, so it went to different inbox

[half halo]

[feral garden]

There is no getting in and playing also, you get accepted and you playtest for a few hours at a time selected by them

[mossy marten]

well yeah, that i know lol
i just wanna test and give feedback on it

[feral garden]

I know you do, but it seems like somethign a lot arent aware of 😄

[mossy marten]

nods

[spice bramble]

I wanna see how keen the devs are to reply in the private discord

[sinful stump]

Has there been any discussion on performance? Or is it too early to be meaningful

What do you think the rec specs will be

[mossy marten]

we don't know, but min specs for at least the labs stuff is in the pinned posts

[feral garden]

Labs already has a recommended spec

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

For those who are lazy

PC Minimum Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i5-8400 / AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2060 / AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB

PC Recommended Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i7-10700 / AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060Ti / AMD Radeon RX 6700-XT
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB

[sinful stump]

Thanks for that

Seems reasonable, though minimum 2060 is interesting

[rancid marsh]

Has anyone in North America received an invite?

Seems like it's Euros

[mossy marten]

2060 is 7 years old now....

they can't keep making new games where min specs are a 660ti or 760 😭

[sinful stump]

Lol yeah I was like they’re finally targeting new gen now

[mossy marten]

it's like still having games released on the ps4 when it should have been dropped years ago lol

[sinful stump]

Or should I say current gen

[fleet robin]

it's tough

new cards are expensive and hard to get so loads of people are on 7+ year old hardware, but games are also more demanding

some people just gotta realise they won't be able to play the latest games at some point

[mossy marten]

yup

the used marketplace for GPUs is pretty decent if you know how to look and do simple tests on GPUs to make sure they're working properly

i bought a 3090 for 670usd used that way, but since swapped it out cuz it was having issues running 2042 (and only 2042) on drivers newer than a certain date. every other game worked great

[safe moat]

Yea, probably because the Labs builds are not properly optimized

[fleet robin]

a 2060 minimum would imply they are fairly optimised, that's not a very powerful card

[feral garden]

1050ti was 2042s minimum.

And it did NOT run well on that card

[fleet robin]

wow i don't even want to know how that went

[safe moat]

yea, but again i assume its safe to assume that the builds are not properly optimized due to them being early indev builds

[mossy marten]

that was also 3.5 years ago now
a one generation jump from 1050ti to 2060 is not that much (20 series wasn't even that big of a jump performance wise from 10 series)

[fleet robin]

yeah of course, not as optimised as they could be

[feral garden]

Performance talk is irrelivant at this point.

[fleet robin]

i don't think i've actually seen any pc footage at all, unless everyone was forced to use controller

[mossy marten]

it's either console, or PC using controller

there was one clip that showed nvidia shadowplay being turned on

[feral garden]

Its controller only, BF6 wont have mouse and KB support 😛

THIS IS A JOKE

[fleet robin]

real

[mossy marten]

eww, cringe af

[half halo]

As per BFBulletin on X, invites have been sent.

Well, guess I'll stay in the watching chair for now 😂

[safe moat]

I assume people used controllers to use Aim assist so they wont try to properly aim

[mossy marten]

i'll go into hibernation until my pigeon comes in

[rancid marsh]

I haven't found anything on North Americans getting invites

[mossy marten]

..... even with controller the gameplay was..... rough to say the least

[fleet robin]

ngl pc players being forced to use controller would explain how bad some players are

[safe moat]

because they SUCK

[fleet robin]

i know i can't play fps games for shit on controller

[half halo]

At least yours is still somewhere, my pigeon is dead somewhere 😂

[mossy marten]

i didn't wanna straight out say it

[mossy marten]

yeah, mine will show up when open beta begins

[sinful stump]

It’s not that hard, u just gotta get comfortable with aiming with your strafe

When I tried cod on roller I used the right stick too much at first

[fleet robin]

i'm sure i'd do fine if i play it for a while, but suddenly having to switch from keyboard to controller does explain the poor aim

[slender ocean]

will the ext game even have jets

[fleet robin]

no they've removed all aerial vehicles from battlefield

[slender ocean]

oh

ok

[safe moat]

I mean, maybe it isnt hard but when using a K&M is hardwired to my brain for years and is a involuntary action i cannot switch to controller

[fleet robin]

you'll have to wait for bf7 i'm afraid

[slender ocean]

ok thanks for info

[safe moat]

if you didnt notice, Kato was joking

[slender ocean]

i know

but bad company didnt have jets

[sinful stump]

Well I tried it too see both sides of the debate cuz I’m a kbm main too

And yeah it’s strong as fuck in cod

[safe moat]

probably bigger maps would have jets or helis

[safe moat]

Oh i do agree it is strong as fuck on COD, but its just..... not possible for me

[sinful stump]

Fairs, I didn’t switch bc I find kbm more fun

[stiff storm]

nor did they have proning ^^

[feral garden]

Or strafing left/right.

[ebon beacon]

it's a 6 year-old card!

[sinful stump]

[half halo]

They better get the plane balance right in the next game

I'm playing a lot of BFV recently and good grief is the plane vs plane and plane vs infantry bad

[stiff storm]

they had that I remember

on PC

[severe lotus]

i keep getting application errors when trying to login to playtest website 😢

[quick merlin]

give it a couple of days and wait for instructions?

[pallid coral]

Forget about Bf6, when does Bf7 release y'all?

[quick merlin]

FY26.

[pallid coral]

My bad typo lmao

[lean merlin]

Im to stressed out i did something wrong.. but i guess ill wait

[quick merlin]

congratulations, by the way. 👍

[lean merlin]

Thanks im very happy to be a part of it! Especially since i played all bf ever made...

[quick merlin]

enjoy plenty.

And test as much as possible.

Trying out different things.

[ocean steppe]

Kbm and controller support for labs?

[half halo]

Lucky bot

Boy*

Well obviously I hope you're not a bot

And decent at the game please

[tough zinc]

Wow you got lucky, please use your veteran experience and give them feedback, its very important

[tepid plinth]

mods please ban anyone who mentions they are in the labs test

cause it'll make me feel sad I didn't get in 😫

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

[tepid plinth]

[lean merlin]

Im very decent at the game, im in the SCAM clan you might have seen them and thanks im very lucky indeed

[young jetty]

I should’ve gotten an invite

[lean merlin]

Thanks i just must have patience hahaa

[heavy ridge]

I guess we have to. U going for EU?

[tepid plinth]

lucky you!

cries in the corner

[mossy marten]

😭

[tepid plinth]

damn leaks

[ruby merlin]

Same 😭

I want an invite

[deep mica]

i wish i got a code

have played every bf since 3 and bf heroes

[lean merlin]

Ye i must since i live in the netherlanda

[heavy ridge]

Brother feel Bad Now. But dont be sad. Maybe someone will not arrive and they will need some extra ppl.

[heavy ridge]

See u there then 🫡

[lean merlin]

See you on the battlefield bro!

I hope they have a decent amount of guns when the game is finished. Woould love to see the L85 make its return

[young jetty]

Please give actual good feedback to the devs that’s all I’m asking

[feral garden]

L85 would be cool. Yeah.

[lean merlin]

Oh trust me i will bro

[honest cliff]

I hope they make it the L85A3

[lean merlin]

Ive been fed up with 2042 how they did it etc, would love to havr some BFBC1/2 And bf3 and 4 gameplay/gunplay movement

Destruction etc

[feral garden]

A2 or A3 are both cool weapons.

[heavy ridge]

Ooooh I would love that. Bf3 and 4 gunplay. With New engine and graphics more like bfv and it would be awesome

[lean merlin]

Yeah but with the sound design of bad company, but then remasterd in the best possible way

[honest cliff]

we do not talk about A1

[feral garden]

Give us an AUG A3 or a Steyr A2 also. Irish army needs representation

[heavy ridge]

Now u put crown on it. That would be best version

[lean merlin]

So trust me this playtest and feedback gonna be wild

[heavy ridge]

I hope so

[feral garden]

I would take some shots at the A1, But I was using an A1 to shoot and it jammed. 🤣

[lean merlin]

Just give an L85a2 with holograpic, folding grip and a muzzle brake with extended mags. Unstoppable

[half halo]

[lean merlin]

L86 also pretty decent tho

[honest cliff]

DICE if you can hear me please may I have a C7 with ELCAN optic ill love you forever

[tribal flame]

Make M24 Great Again

[half halo]

Only part of the premium battlepass of the battlepass of the battlepass

[tribal flame]

Bf2042 desperately lacks sniper rifles. I hope the selection will be a bit more fluffy in the next one.

[young jetty]

We need atleast 15 sniper rifles at launch

[honest cliff]

15 is too much honestly

10 max

[tough zinc]

15?!

[young jetty]

That’s not asking for much

[tough zinc]

5-10 is enough imo

[honest cliff]

that is asking for too much and if there are 15 they're going to feel nigh identical

[tough zinc]

I mean I always use the same snipers even in a long list on bf1

cause some are just better than the other

[tribal flame]

L111, M24, Gol Magnum, Sv98, M40a5, JNG90...

[honest cliff]

Even with fancy perks and vastly different stats 15 snipers is unnessecary

[young jetty]

Let me ask you how many sniper rifles launched with 2042?

[tough zinc]

i cant remember but for sure not 5-10

[honest cliff]

How many snipers are in BF4 again? Less than 15 im sure

[tough zinc]

we had like 4

or something like that

[tribal flame]

Only 2 + 1 anti material

[tough zinc]

bruh

[young jetty]

BF4 launched with 70-80 weapons

[honest cliff]

we had 3, thats not enough. We have i think 5 now, which isnt enough again. But 15 is too much

[tough zinc]

5-10 is the sweet spot

at launch

[tribal flame]

I mean, 15 is too much, but only 2 was too little

[honest cliff]

We got 14 snipers not including the AMRs throughout BF4, the semi auto doesnt really count so basically 13

And most are really similar to each other

[young jetty]

I would rather 15 than 2…

[tough zinc]

we all would

[quick merlin]

Five weapons per class are enough, IMO.

[tough zinc]

but 15 are a lot

[young jetty]

BF4 launched with 80 weapons

[quick merlin]

way too many.

[tribal flame]

In medio stat virtus

[honest cliff]

nahhhhhh

[quick merlin]

well, notice that in every class you'll have one or two metas.

[young jetty]

So you rather 22 weapons at launch than 80 weapons at launch?

[quick merlin]

if there's no opportunity cost, sure give us 80.

the problem is if they focus on that many weapons and neglect the rest.

[honest cliff]

Just because theres a meta doesnt mean you should only have the weapons that work in it

[young jetty]

They have DICE entirely focusing only on the multiplayer so i don’t see an issue.

[quick merlin]

True. But there is a point below which it just is useless to have it.

[quick merlin]

sorry forgot to tag you.

[tribal flame]

Depends if we're going back to a BF3/BF4 kinda customisation. In 2042 you can turn your M5 into an smg or a dmr. With that no need for an extended list of firearms.

[quick merlin]

I sure want to share your optimism, of course.

[tribal flame]

If guns have a unique identity again, then we need more.

[tough zinc]

and it was bs tbh

[honest cliff]

Ok 80 weapons is too much as newer CoD games have arguably proved, but 22 is too damn little.
They have to be well balanced, but also distinct. As much as I love BF4, a lot of the weapons feel quite samey

[young jetty]

That’s just wrong

[quick merlin]

I have always held that the big differentiators in weapons should be dispersion and recoil.

against accuracy and RoF.

[young jetty]

I’m glad there is spread but I don’t want any excessive spread.

[quick merlin]

absolutely

i cannot stand for example, laser beams.

sweet spot always.

[tribal flame]

Tbh doesn't really matter if we have a big selection and some feel the same. Then you can just pick your favourite and everybody's happy. Your Austrian? Pick the Aug, your french? pick the FAMAS...

[tepid plinth]

british? the knife

[tribal flame]

British? I'll take your land!

[stiff storm]

British? Food without seasoning xD

[mossy marten]

British? Jacket Potato with Beans and Tuna

[sweet flume]

That's funny because chicken Tika masala is one of their favorite dishes

Along with curry

That's what happens when you conquer half the world

[fleet robin]

not only their favorite

it's the national dish

[ruby merlin]

From what I've seen it's most likely 4. Sight/Siderail/grip/barrel

[radiant heath]

I would assume we'll see mag/muzzle mods too

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're referring to by only saying four

[ruby hazel]

Can't believe battlefield labs was ruined from leaks, was really wanting to try and play

[fleet robin]

you can still get invited

[oak badge]

How do you do that

[fleet robin]

sign up on the playtesting website

then pray

[manic gate]

how did the leaks 'ruin' it

[quick merlin]

"ruined"?

[feral garden]

Yeah, God dammit. The community is even happier about the direction of the new game now!!

The leaks ruined everything!!! 😏

[fleet robin]

maybe they think labs shut down because of leaks or something lmao

[manic gate]

Labs shut down, EA not doing anymore battlefield

[feral garden]

Shot down in its prime.

RIP Battlefield Labs. 2025-2025 ♥️

[manic gate]

and they wouldn't have done it, it weren't for you meddling kids

[stiff storm]

Kek

[ruby merlin]

It wasn't ruined at all. If anything it was good as it creates hype, and there's more feedback then before now.

Please explain how it's ruined

[young jetty]

Can you blame them after 2042? The bar is so low rn 😭

[half halo]

[coral glen]

RIP

[manic gate]

anyways, I'm hyped for the upcoming Mirror's Edge Labs they announced

[mint cobalt]

Honestly if there are things a Battlefield title needs to have is: Large scale maps, variety of Ground, Arial and Naval combat vehicles, huge player count 32v32 or higher (if possible) Variety of weapons to choose and the most important features destructible Environments, oh and not be treated like a game show (The Finals!!!!)

[stiff storm]

Another mirrors edge?

Would be nice if they remastered the first one so I could play it on ultrawide

[ruby hazel]

Not ruined, but leaking footage, I mean you signed an agreement that the Alpha was to be not recorded, I read the agreement

[stiff storm]

Some people obviously can't read

[ruby hazel]

@stiff storm facts

[mint cobalt]

We all did but some people don’t care

[mossy marten]

Man
Someone DDos'ing Hardline servers is cringe af

[ruby hazel]

But when the agreement was broken, the Alpha was put on hold, I've looked in the playtest and they took it down. Would've been nice to try it and play from a personal perspective

[ruby merlin]

Its impossible for it mot to be leaked. Heck you are practically begging to have it leaked if you have people other then devs play the game

[ruby merlin]

No they didn't

Who told you this info

Whats your source

[ruby hazel]

Emails, tikytoks

[ruby merlin]

Ok how do you know tiktok are true

They aren't from devs

You just trust what they say?

[ruby hazel]

I don't know

[ruby merlin]

Unless it's said from a dev you can't 100% believe it

Plus the first test was 2 hours I'm pretty sure

[feral garden]

Yes, as they all will be for a while. Short, focused play sessions.

[ruby merlin]

Yes

Whats the point of shutting down a 2 hour playstest when it's already so short lol

They wouldn't shut it down becuase of leaks

Leaks was bound to happen

Its inevitable

[young jetty]

It’s gonna happen again

[ruby merlin]

Yes

[young jetty]

It’s all for marketing

[ruby merlin]

And I'm going to be eating my popcorn when it does

[mint cobalt]

I know I would also love to help to improve Battlefield, and I hated that there those who would ruined this, just because they are desperate for attention

[young jetty]

Let’s hope they can make a good Battlefield game for once in 8 years but it’s kinda of impossible for them 😭

[wispy dagger]

It’s not

Be positive

[feral garden]

Yeah, they built a playtesting system entirely for marketing.

Instead of doing actual marketing, they decided to build a multi-million playtest system...in the hopes that a dozen 360p videos will fix the franchise. Its genius when you think about it

[young jetty]

I was very positive for the last 2 games and looked how those came out…

[ruby merlin]

I mean the only bad battlefield game is 2042

Hardline, 1, V were good. Ofc 1 being better then the 2

Hardline was underrated

[mint cobalt]

Someone doesn’t remember they early years of BFV

[ruby merlin]

I loved that one personally but that's subjective

[ruby merlin]

Almost as if most of the battlefield games had a bad launch for different reasons

Purely Objectively speaking V isn't bad

[feral garden]

I preferred BFV at launch to what it is now.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby merlin]

Its good or at very least just decent

But 2042 is bad

Or very last just ok

Now

[young jetty]

2042 shouldn’t even be considered as a battlefield title

[ruby merlin]

True

[mint cobalt]

Yes I do know that, I’ve been playing Battlefield since BF3 (technically Bad Company 2)

[young jetty]

That’s why im cautiously optimistic

[ruby hazel]

I agree

[ruby merlin]

From what I've seen it looks like we are back

They just gotta be consistent with it now

[mint cobalt]

although the only one I don’t know because I played on the PS3, is BF3, apparently I was reading some comments that BF3 had a terrible launch day?

How bad was it

[ruby merlin]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[quick merlin]

large scale maps? no thanks. walking simulators they are.

[quick merlin]

sure. but it hardly ruined the game or its development.

[quick merlin]

labs playtests are ongoing.

[ruby hazel]

Sure, but at the same time we could've guessed, or waited till closed/open beta

[frosty sonnet]

i have not got one but still waiting xd

[mint cobalt]

You know when I say Large Scale Maps I wasn’t just referring to open fields map like Hourglass in BF2042 or PanzerStorm in BFV, you know there can be large scale urban maps too, which I believe has never been has never been done before

[feral garden]

Maps like Sharqi Peninsula & Gulf of Oman please

[mint cobalt]

I mean a urban map that is the size of manhattan

I don’t know, I’ve thinking a lot of the opening missions Battle for New York from MW3 (2011)

[feral garden]

This map, but updated to a modern Frostbite would be awesome

https://youtu.be/rPD69Cjefmo?si=UzZtnjLIzXv9ap-P

[quick merlin]

oh I see. I'm all for Grand Bazaar large scale.

[feral garden]

Grand Bazaar is a small map

[mint cobalt]

But what if it could be bigger?

[quick merlin]

exactly. Make it bigger.

[feral garden]

And this is how 2042 happened

😄

[covert nest]

Does it need to be bigger?

[quick merlin]

except it wasn't.

[quick merlin]

could be fun.

[covert nest]

Map has good pacing for 64p.

[quick merlin]

definitely.

[feral garden]

Bigger for the sake of big, bad choices dont for no reason other than "Because we can".

Small and large maps are fine to have. It doesnt have to be some emalgomous mess of both

[covert nest]

2042's maps were just bad because one they were rushed on the 128p basis.

[mossy marten]

Know what we need?
Museum remake

[covert nest]

And two because well. They're just bad.

[mint cobalt]

We were close with Hourglass, but they just had to include that 95% of sand (><;

[quick merlin]

128 player maps are the problem.

[feral garden]

All versions of Hourglass are bad

[covert nest]

The engagements and the volume just makes 128p and the maps made around it unfun.

Play the maps on 64p and they're boring as all shit.

[quick merlin]

128 players is unfun.

regardless of map.

[covert nest]

Bigger map doesn't mean necessarily mean better if you're increasing the size for the sake of it.

That's what I'm trying to get at.

[quick merlin]

true.

[covert nest]

You can artificially increase the size of the maps by using game modes to change the route and utilise unique sections of the map.

Like damavand, metro, etc.

[quick merlin]

absolutely.

[ruby merlin]

Battlefield labs map is God tier

[quick merlin]

i personally like the size of grand bazaar, op. underground/metro, redacted.

among others.

[mossy marten]

We've seen snippets of it
It ain't a tier until more people play it lol

[ruby merlin]

I've seen 45+ minutes of leaks of it

So

[covert nest]

I think the bigger you make the map you more linear you need to make sections of it to make sure people don't wander to unnecessary parts.

Wake island is a perfect "large" map with tonnes of room everywhere for vehicles and infantry.

!

[mossy marten]

Have you played it tho
Otherwise, rating it is pointless lol

[mint cobalt]

Honestly I miss when there was parts of the maps that were only in certain modes like Rush and Breakthrough, which on a side note, they need to bring back 32v32 Rush, Breakthrough out stayed it’s welcome, and Rush XL was just bad in general

[covert nest]

Breakthrough is really good.

Not gonna lie I prefer it more over rush but rush does have its place.

I can understand the annoyance cause it feels like rush has been sidelined.

[ruby merlin]

No but you don't have to play something to determine if it's good

[covert nest]

You kinda have to understand how the game feels.

You can make a snap judgement which is valid but to get a full proper judgement you need to play the game.

Though ultimately it is just shooting people.

[ruby merlin]

Well yeah

But from what I've seen the map looks good

[covert nest]

I'm on the same sentiment though cause the pacing and shit looks good.

I've noticed a few accessibility things too

[mint cobalt]

Yes but it has been taking the spot of Rush, I understand when they introduce it in BF1, but by BFV it should have been a part of Battlefield Staple modes not a replacement of one for the other

[covert nest]

How we waited for a few months for rush to come out.

Yeah I understand.

[mossy marten]

Rush 16v16, BT 32v32, CQ 32v32 done

Three main modes

[quick merlin]

Any Rush + Frontlines

[mossy marten]

Tho preferably, cq be swapped for hotwire would be quite a 🐐'd move by Dice

[mint cobalt]

Rush has been getting the short end of the stick of support, and I miss 32v32 rush

[mossy marten]

Personally, anything over 16v16 rush is a bigger cluster than it needs to be

[covert nest]

If there's one good thing 2042 has done to me it's made me pay closer attention to how you can encourage better player behaviour.

How do you not do it how do you do it

[covert nest]

I feel like 24v24 isn't a bad number.

[mossy marten]

Never played it at that number, was always 16v16 ir 32v32

[covert nest]

Yeah

Wasn't frontlines 20v20?

[mossy marten]

It's because the point is a single object rather than an area/objective like bt

[covert nest]

I would have killed to play it on 32v32.

Yeah

64v64 frontlines would be so fucking cancer.

[feral garden]

Rush is good at 24v24. But it's best when the maps are properly made for it.

[mossy marten]

That sounds like something the mods should delete

[covert nest]

I can accept when a map is being pushed to the edge of the limits versus broken limits.

[mint cobalt]

I think BF4 was the last time I played 32v32 Rush, it could have also been a community made server

[covert nest]

Yeah they'd get you on anything.

[mossy marten]

I meant that as a joke about removing that so the 128 crowd doesn't see it

[ruby merlin]

No more old gen is going to push the game to more then it's ever been

[covert nest]

OH PFFT

[mossy marten]

Those people who love 128 are...... Something for sure.

[mint cobalt]

Honestly I would be okay with 50v50 Conquest, it work well with hell let loose and Squad

[covert nest]

128 was a crappy gimmick that killed the development cycle of the game.

32v32 is dices bread and butter. They should keep to it.

[mossy marten]

Agreed

I would love to see dope LTMs tho

Bring back old modes DICE

[covert nest]

Give me carrier assault.

Give me titan assault.

I'll sell my soul for either of those modes.

[mossy marten]

Hotwire, Capture the Flag, Do some cool twists that aren't "lets make a milsim mode"

[covert nest]

Titan mode was a funny one because when they moved they'd kill the game.

The game would actively die.

[mossy marten]

[covert nest]

The lab tests isn't just for the above average players dude.

[verbal crypt]

I know that but above average players are much more enjoyable to watch and can test things much better lol

Not even trying to be mean either

[mossy marten]

Tbf
You did say ".42 kd mouth breathers"

[mint cobalt]

I know we have been and tired of it, Honestly after BF6 I fine for DICE to go back to BF2142 era in the future, plus they have the OG dev of Titanfall, to help so who knows maybe mech vehicle combat will be amazing, but of course this is all riding on BF6 success

[tepid plinth]

Tbf those are the people who had the common sense to not leak footage in the first place

[mossy marten]

True
Something something 5min of fame type shit

[verbal crypt]

lmao BF all chat brain took over

[mossy marten]

[mint cobalt]

Just keep the soldiers grounded, none of that BLOPS3 and Titanfall wall running

[tepid plinth]

Can guarantee you won’t be seeing that in battlefield

[verbal crypt]

you will never see jetpacks and wall running in BF lmao

[tepid plinth]

It’s perfect for small team 6v6, but for bf it just wouldn’t

[mossy marten]

Yup, that would be the final nail in the coffin for The franchise

Wait

The movement portion is what y'all were talking bout

[covert nest]

It did come off a bit condonscending.
I do like what they've done to at least encourage thought though.

[tepid plinth]

Of course

[mint cobalt]

I’m talking about DICE going back to BF2142 era, but not having the wall running

[mossy marten]

Tbh
I don't think that's a good idea

[mint cobalt]

After if BF6 succeed

[mossy marten]

Cool if done correctly? Sure
Otherwise,

[tepid plinth]

My one fear for another stab at the future setting is the need to for some reason fill them with auto turrets and wallhacks

None of that please

[mossy marten]

Oh god

Wallahcks.

[mint cobalt]

My only reasoning for now is because I never got to experience battlefield’s take on future warfare of BF2142 because of COD brain rot, at the time, so I never got to experience the Titan Assault mode other then BF4’s rendition

[covert nest]

It'd be interesting if you could stick to walls for only a second.

To jump off them.

But it's such a weird idea I don't think it'd ever happen

[mossy marten]

That'd scare some people

[nimble bridge]

Good, gunsmithing is cringe af

[ruby merlin]

Simple is sometimes better

[nimble bridge]

BF2143 should be a movement shooter, it should be Titanfall 3 in big maps

[nimble bridge]

It really is, gunsmithing turns the game to play 2 win, you grind attachments to get better at the game, delta force's progression system is just stacking stability attachments to have no recoil guns instead of learning recoil itself

[wispy dagger]

Only attachments should be simple, grips, bipods, barrel attachments and optics

And even barrel attachments should be limited to silencer or no silencer

Once you get into compensators it starts building meta builds for try hards

[radiant heath]

if there's shotguns, some different muzzles for spread is nice too

one wider, one tighter basically

[wispy dagger]

Yeah like duck bill

[honest cliff]

Duckbill is pointless honestly

[wispy dagger]

Agreed I never use it

[radiant heath]

i don't mind flash hiders either

for regular guns

[wispy dagger]

As long as it doesn’t do things like affect recoil

[radiant heath]

oh i kinda like when it does. slight recoil benefit for the tradeoff of not being hidden as well as a suppressor does

[vocal tulip]

zero recoil cod weapons would be hell

[wispy dagger]

Nah then you’re getting into meta building

The tradeoff for silencer should be reduced damage at range

[radiant heath]

nice, i like that

[wispy dagger]

The benefit is no mini map ping

[vocal tulip]

simple and makes sense

[radiant heath]

flash hider usually gives reduced radius map ping, but would need some minor benefit as well

[wispy dagger]

Flash hider you are harder to spot at a distance or something unless they’re ads or have done damage already

I don’t think it’s going to happen but I wish they’d tweak the conquest mode as well

[radiant heath]

how so

[wispy dagger]

Give your squad sub objectives and such

Like go here, grab intel, bring it back to base for a recon hav squad leader call in or something

Stuff like that

But, have an enemy squad given the same objective

Or like in V they purposely built areas that weren’t in the flag capture areas, but were crucial to holding to assaulting a flag. So like, take and hold this area for x time

Idk something different

I love the classic conquest don’t get me wrong, but having things like that to keep it fresh and team oriented would be welcome to me

[mossy marten]

So hotwire

[ruby merlin]

Hotwire is such a good mode

[wispy dagger]

Kinda

[ruby merlin]

Not kinda

[wispy dagger]

But the team objectives stay the same

[ruby merlin]

It was really good

[wispy dagger]

I meant kinda like Hotwire not that it wasn’t good

But these objectives are squad level only and aren’t really detrimental if you ignore them

Or I guess more objective based bonuses

Like if your team get an ammo dump objective, you spawn fully rearmed

Or a vehicle depot lets you repair faster or something

[young jetty]

I have a genuine question for all, if the next battlefield game has SBMM/EOMM, or you done with the franchise or nah?

[wispy dagger]

I just don’t know how sbmm could work in a game like this

Even if you’re a top fps player, if you lone wolf, you’re gonna die to a decently organized squad

Sbmm has no place in battlefield I feel

[young jetty]

Knowing EA it’s always a possibility, an Ex DICE dev came out and said they’re jealous of how much cod makes off SBMM.

[wispy dagger]

How does cod make money off of sbmm

[young jetty]

Probably around 3.4 billion is my guess

[radiant heath]

eomm keeps cod players playing cod

and if they keep playing they keep buying stuff

[young jetty]

EOMM ruined cod

The player base is dropping hard rn as we speak

[radiant heath]

i assume battlefield will have some degree of sbmm, even if its just as minor as "new players don't get put into matches with 1000hr players"

if there's a server browser it doesn't matter

if there's no server browser i'll immediately be pretty disappointed

[young jetty]

If it has SBMM then battlefield is dead forever

[radiant heath]

i don't mind brand new players being protected for the first five hours or something, i don't wanna play against or with them anyway lmao

[wispy dagger]

We need server browser

[radiant heath]

yeah. it just makes the game so much better

[ruby swan]

Server browser and map rotation play list. Not being sent to the lobby after every match

[daring root]

Has anyone been invited to Battlefield Labs in Asia?

[mossy marten]

Atm it's only NA and EU that has test servers and invites

[radiant heath]

seems like its mostly lower-playtime players they've been inviting so far

fingers crossed i get to help test

[mint cobalt]

SBMM is like those admins that put the best player on there team instead of keeping it randomized, I rather have the RNG Gods, decided the fate of my match rather then some person who can’t accept that losing is part of the experience

[half halo]

Yes, 100%

I don't wanna Play an algorithm deciding if today I'll have fun or not.

I want to play a video game.

[young jetty]

There is not going to be a server browser at launch and they’re are going to rig every single game you play because it’s modern gaming (and it sucks).

[half halo]

[mossy marten]

[topaz cave]

pls bring team switch, im tired of losing

[pallid coral]

learn to lose bruh

team switch just creates unbalanced teams

there's only 2 reasons why a person would switch teams:

1. to play with their friends who are in the other team (except if ur in a squad to begin with, you ARE in the same team)
2. ur losing and u wanna join the winning team

so there's only 1 reason

[topaz cave]

i learned many time and im very tired

idc about unbalanced

at least i just want to having fun

[topaz cave]

and this is my reason

[pallid coral]

but to have fun you can do so much than just winning

everyone wants to win, should EA put everyone on the same team?

[topaz cave]

call me loser or weak or anything, idc about that

[topaz cave]

no

every player has different reason

[pallid coral]

so just put the whiney people in the winning team

there's a lot to bf games usually that count towards having fun imo, such as progression of weapons or levels, playing a certain class or playstyle, going out with ur squadmates on small missions to capture objectives. if winning was the only way to have fun, i feel like either you're playing it wrong or the game's not designed well

[pallid coral]

they do but simply adding team change solely for the reason of switching to the winning side just doesn't sound like a valid reason to bring back that feature

[topaz cave]

just pls add that feature

[slender ocean]

f22 in bf6

[elfin crest]

l like to now why players on TDM game mode like to bully new players and tell then to piss of and don't join the community there is two players Majorgeneral and Horry-Aus these two bully new players, l thought this wa suppose to be a friendly community

[naive fractal]

[naive fractal]

it doesnt

see: delta force warfare

[topaz cave]

50 vs 50

[naive fractal]

The whole SBMM in Battlefield discussion isn't as complex as people make it out to be imo.

Battlefield as a concept was created and intended to function without a system like SBMM or EOMM. With SBMM there can be no server browser, which would be an extremely bad blow to the franchise

Nothing about SBMM is compatible with what players want out of the next Battlefield game

If they make the mistake of including SBMM / EOMM Battlefield as we all know it will cease to exist. It will not play the same

Besides, a 64 player game doesn't need such a system. A team balancer has proven to be just fine in some of the best BF games ever made

[young jetty]

That’s why a server browser should be included, I have no idea why they are trying to get away from that.

[naive fractal]

They want $$$. EX DICE dev said they're jealous of COD. They're 100% looking at the "data" and if EA wants SBMM the devs have no control really

They aren't going to consider the wants of the playerbase when it comes to this decision

Battlefield has gradually moved away from server browsers for years now. Every new game it has slowly disappeared.

We'll see what they do. Judging from what I've seen I'd bet the game doesn't have a server browser for the base game.

[golden vortex]

[hallow escarp]

have invite emails been sent out yet?

[mint cobalt]

Team Switching is to exploitive, Official and Community Made Server should have for BF6 an automatic randomizer, so at the start of a new match players will be randomizer within the two teams no skill base, at least there is less chance of one side matches, that is if Server browser comes back

[quick merlin]

Skill balancer for teams maybe. Not SSBM, but just sorts teams so their cumulative 'skill' is equal

[sudden lodge]

Yes

[tribal flame]

One balance I'd like to see is about game sessions. I love breakthrough, but in the same play session, 8 games played, being 7 times in the defense team... boring. Especially when the same map shows twice consecutively.
I don't really mind winning or loosing as long as their is a good fight along the game, but yes please bring back fix map rotation and alternate attack/defence cycle in between the teams.

[tepid bolt]

auto team switch is mostly evil and bad for sure and a must is to keep squads togehter

[crisp thorn]

should just bring back operations in general, makes breakthrough way more interesting

[gleaming dagger]

i know you got the invite enders (im joking)

but if you do have fun n Good luck

i wont be playing the next game if it have sbmm ill just play portal w ith server browser

pls server browser for the main game day one dice

i beg you

[naive fractal]

Agreed. It’s way more interesting

[tribal flame]

I'd like that, to add some stake to the games.
Step 1: breakthrough - if attack team wins, they start the next round with already captured flags
Step 2: Conquest - if attack team wins, they start the next round closer to enemy spawn
Step 3: Front Line, the games starts closer to one spawn or another depending on the conquest results.

[crisp thorn]

this concept sounds like BF5's grand operations.

[tribal flame]

And damn I miss that

Those 3 steps could be on the same map at 3 different time of the day/night

[crisp thorn]

then yeah, its just bf5's grand operations. on some maps, the first day is usually airborne and its done at night-time. if attackers/defenders lose then its on the same map but with a different gamemode and on day time.
but grand ops wasnt well recieved by players then bf1's operations

[covert nest]

They felt pretty pointless cause progression was forced.

[tribal flame]

Well, this game mode is all about objectives. If you're in a team with players only caring about their K/D you're stuck for 3 rounds in a row with a handicap.
Maybe it's more appealing to old school players.

[crisp thorn]

it wasnt about the objectives though, i get what your vision is however people loved BF1's operations because it felt like your team was regrouping and coming back with a bigger force i.e. attackers being supported by a behemoth. for most people including myself felt attackers don't get outright punished for losing cause the game progresses anyway even after losing

[crisp thorn]

unfortunately man, i think they're not gonna add back the server browser. the end of round mention matchmaking at the end. its probably gonna still use 2042's matchmaking system

[tribal flame]

insert a gif of the office "No god please no"

[crisp thorn]

tfw no more Operation Metro 24/7 | 1200 Tickets | NO SHOTGUNS, RPGs 😔

[twin cloud]

OH NOOOOOOOOOOO

[tribal flame]

Yes that was great, the sense of "we didn't take the sector, we're coming stronger with an extra asset" and the game continues with the music kicking in, absolute cinema.
But I preferred the mix of game modes in BFV operations. The stake of winning/loosing a round was not great enough imo.

[crisp thorn]

i understand. it would be cool to see bf1 operations and bf5's grand ops be mixed. but since im not a game designer, im not sure how that would exactly work or the limitations by frostbite but yeah. i rly liked the airborne section* cuz its cool to jump out of a plane with the epic music playing in the background

[tribal flame]

Airborn mode on Hannut, forever in my heart.

[crisp thorn]

yep hands down best to play airborne on that map

some maps like that one desert one just gets everyone killed 💀

[gleaming dagger]

should be from an email

make sure your email is the same for EA account

[autumn ivy]

Yes, it's the same email. Were they sent?

[gleaming dagger]

should be but idk i didn't get access

[crisp thorn]

its probably sent by now. but i think the last day of email invites is tomorrow i believe, and then the actual playtest starts on friday

[rapid fox]

I think that the last day is today. Tomorrow they will send playtime invitation with direct timings

At least that was the case last time

[crisp thorn]

That's a shame I wish I got in

[gleaming dagger]

if you outside us and na you wont get in

[crisp thorn]

I'm american

[nimble bridge]

They should look at the data that says BO6 lost 70% of their players due to SBMM since launch 😛

If there is anything they should take from CoD, it's camo grind. People like me loves doing challenges for guns and getting camos, eventually unlocking rare camos that requires effort.

[young jetty]

I would say take inspiration from MW2019’s gunsmith system

[nimble bridge]

I hope not

[tribal flame]

New added weapons should be unlocked by accomplishing challenges, like in BF1 instead of the "reach level 45 of the temporary season" style of BFV/2042

[nimble bridge]

@young jetty

[versed token]

If you miss the season you unlock them with challenges

[tribal flame]

I hate fomo based season system. I was abroad during the halloween event, where weapons could be unlocked, and I'm going to be abroad for half the upcoming tiny season. This kind of system sucks...

[versed token]

You're only missing skins

[tribal flame]

yes, that I have no other way of getting outside of this temporary event.

[versed token]

What's the big deal about missing skins

[young jetty]

Ehh idk about one, MW2019’s was just really simple, no matter how attachments you put on, it’s still felt realistic and immersive.

[nimble bridge]

MW19 is the first game that turned it into a MTX economy, you can grind to unlock meta attachments or buy this new blueprint to unlock them right away 🤣

[feral garden]

Its hardly a FOMO system when its easy as hell to unlock the stuff. You can hardly blame a games systems if you are going to be away when they are running a limited time event...like the Halloween one.

[nimble bridge]

I dislike unlocking guns in general 🤷

I've been playing BF for 15 years I don't need to unlock same guns and attachments again and again 😂

[feral garden]

You do tho. 😉

[nova inlet]

this exists in warzone rn too i personally like it but then i wanna grind other guns too which initself is prolly a good thing too but i might never use the gun i originally maxed out cause “what if they get nerfed or buff some other gun”

[young jetty]

MW19’s blueprint system was more about convenience than locking attachments behind a paywall. If you wanted to grind, you still had the option.

[versed token]

New guns are almost always better

[tribal flame]

The post last season of BFV system was good. All items are in the shop, you get in-game currency by playing, spend them on what you like.

[nimble bridge]

It's just another way to make 🤑

[feral garden]

Only 2 new guns were actually OP in 2042 TBH. The BSV-M and the RM68. the rest that people called OP were just cases of recency bias.

[nimble bridge]

BF BR shouldn't follow Warzone style buy loadouts system too imo

They should follow blackout or pubg model, you land in, you find guns, you find attachments

Gunsmithing is incompatible with that

[versed token]

Getting your own loadout guaranteed every game is lame

[young jetty]

You know that’s gonna happens, all of the COD players are gonna be begging on their knees.

[versed token]

literally pointless to loot aside from getting $ to get the loadout

[nimble bridge]

BF BR shouldn't copy CoD considering Warzone is already dying because it's Warzone

[feral garden]

There are more players that want a fresh new BR, than COD players.

PUBG is a better BR to copy than WZ

[nimble bridge]

Yeah

And I don't even play BRs

Lol

[feral garden]

It has a way better looting loop, and has a decent amount of downtime (If you choose to have downtime).

They would just need a decent inventory system to make a BR work like PUBG, loot wise.

[tribal flame]

The VHX and the Avancys when they came out

[feral garden]

VHX nor avancys were all that OP. they were just new.

[nova inlet]

wz i cant even use the guns that i like cause some terminator skin with the newest “meta smg” slides right towards me and hits all headshots consequtively and completely solos my whole fully geared squad simply by sliding everywhere

[versed token]

They did get nerfed

[feral garden]

The LCMG was still miles better than the Avancys, people just get blinded by the new shiny toy

[nimble bridge]

Current LCMG is awful tbh

Current Avancys is also really good

[feral garden]

Same with people calling the DFR Strife a god gun, and its terrible 😄

[young jetty]

EA hired Byron Beede an ex call of duty GM for the head of Ripple Effect, correct me if I’m wrong did he make Warzone 1?

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, shouldn't mean he should make warzone 1 again imo

[crisp thorn]

U say that but that what IW tried to do in warzone 2 and warzone 2 flopped

[versed token]

Never seen anyone say that

[nimble bridge]

DFR is good if you use it with big supp + subsonic

[versed token]

It's average at best

Bad lmg and bad ar all in one

[young jetty]

Warzone 1 is 10x better than Warzone 2.0

[nova inlet]

i want my mp7 back in 2042 😔

[nimble bridge]

90 rounds of pure camping though, or flanking

[feral garden]

Byron Beede is a SVP GM of the Franchise, not head of Ripple Effect

[versed token]

I can have 200 with others

[feral garden]

There are 3/4 other LMGs that do that job better tho, with 200 round mags

[crisp thorn]

I disagree. WZ1 was peak BR more then PUBG. BF is more closer to COD in BR space then BF to PUBG for the sole reason for mechanics and gameplay. Hell, the armor plate system in WZ was directly inspired by BF firestorm.

[versed token]

With the same reload speed even if i remember correctly

[nimble bridge]

Warzone system isn't good tbh regardless of WZ1 or 2, I think actual looting would benefit BF BR more than landing in and buying your loadout

If you get your loadout every game it removes randomness from BR experience

[feral garden]

WZ1 is BR lite at best

[young jetty]

That actually worries me a lot now

[versed token]

Blackout still peak cod br

[feral garden]

It was good because it was easy to play, and accessible

[crisp thorn]

Then what makes a good BR. Both pubg and wz had you loot, have downtime and a large open map with vehicles

[versed token]

better looting across the board

[feral garden]

WZ looting is just basic AF. And when they tried to make their inventory system better...they completely fucked it up.

PUBG is a better sandbox experience IMO, kinda similar to what you get in BF.

[crisp thorn]

I just don't see BF trying pubgs looting system

[versed token]

It has boiled down to just looting money and the occasional useful equipment that drops

[young jetty]

PUBG

[versed token]

then get to a buy station as fast as possible to get everything you need

[crisp thorn]

Simplicity is better than complexity in terms of inventory management in a battle Royale setting

[versed token]

Disagree

It's too simple

[feral garden]

Its not like its crazy complex loot system. You just have ground loot thats basic weapons, then the other ground loot is attachments, ammo, ETC

COD just made it accessible/casual by removing attachments as ground loot.

And making ammo basically not need to be looted

[crisp thorn]

Wym though by ammo? Attachments I understand but ammo?

[young jetty]

Yeah, COD just streamlined it by removing attachments as ground loot, but that also took away a layer of decision-making. Now, it’s just about finding a gun and going, instead of piecing together an ideal setup. But that’s what made Warzone fun in the first place tho

[feral garden]

You can totally skip all of the looting in current WZ tho, which makes it really boring and repetitive. Cos your best chance of winnjing is by getting cash, then just buying a loadout drop. Yawn fest gameplay loop

[nova inlet]

no more ziplines n redeploy ziplines i can count how many times ive been in a car with one hand thanks to them, make getting your loadout more expensive no more buybacks when you return from the gulag and die again n have someone buy you out, nerf sliding all over the place

[feral garden]

Get rid of redeploy beacons, self res and have limited buy backs...and you'd solve a lot of the issues with WZ.

[crisp thorn]

I was more talking about WZ1. I stopped playing warzone when they integrate it with vanguard and I tried wz2 and 3 but it's all slop

[nova inlet]

wz1 was p good im sad i couldnt experience it

[feral garden]

It was insanely better than what the game is now.

[crisp thorn]

Ahh man you shoulda. That 2020 covid warzone experience was peak

[nova inlet]

yup the gas isnt even a issue nowadays cause you can just redeploy closer to the zone

[nimble bridge]

Most of modern CoDs problems stems from Warzone

And vice versa

WZ integration was a mistake

[crisp thorn]

Agreed

Should've stayed in cod 2019

[nimble bridge]

Sledgehammer wanted to bring back pick 10 for MWIII yet they couldn't because WZ integration demands gunsmithing

[nova inlet]

thats what i always hear but my big brother only plays wz2 n im cursed with playing w him no matter how many times i try to make him return to battlefield

[crisp thorn]

? Why he doesn't wanna play bf

[nova inlet]

worst part he was the one who got me to play bf3 in the early days n he always flew a jet now hes stuck in cod

[nova inlet]

likes the “teamwork” more but the teamwork dont even matter when everyone slides all over the place and solos our whole squad

[nimble bridge]

He will return eventually now that WZ is dying

[nova inlet]

i hope so too

i atleast got him to try zombies he likes that a bit more now

[nimble bridge]

Zombies is fun if you play it with your friends

[nova inlet]

hell yeah

[nimble bridge]

2042 is getting it's own zombies today too 😛

[nova inlet]

we were up til 2am yday playing zombies he got a kid n i have work today but it was still fun

[nimble bridge]

I hope next BF gets rid off fomo elements tbh, rush override lasts for a whole week, way to waste a whole game mode like that imo

[crisp thorn]

Indeed

[nova inlet]

fomo elements also make ppl sell accounts

[nova inlet]

atleast thats what i think abt my ancient pokemon go account w a shiny celebi

[nimble bridge]

I dislike FOMO because BF games are usually timeless games

Look at BF1, 20-30K daily players despite being almost 10 years old

Or BF4 still going strong

2042 will be dead the moment BF6 drops

[crisp thorn]

Deserved death tbh

[tepid plinth]

Double edged sword. On one hand it is absolutely awful when a gamemode you like isn’t playable, but by limiting the available modes it should in theory make it so the modes that are active have more people

[feral garden]

2042 wont be dead because of FOMO stuff it had/has tho. It will be dead cos its a game that hates you trying to play it 😛

[crisp thorn]

Well at least those who might come back to 2042 won't be in an empty server? Sure you'll be fighting bots but I guess better than nothing

[nimble bridge]

Ideally we should have a weekly playlist and a server browser at the same time(weekly games are also played in server browser), people will be more inclined to try weird modes they haven't played and other people who likes those modes will still be able to play it

[feral garden]

2042 be like:

Play match > join with 200 tickets left > return to lobby > join new game > Game is half way over > return to lobby > find new game > the map sucks > Return to lobby > Get sick of all this shit > ALT +F4

[crisp thorn]

I srsly hope a server browser is available for 6 but the end of round screen says otherwise 😭

[nimble bridge]

It's pre alpha

[crisp thorn]

Or at least make it like bf4/5 system

[tepid plinth]

Yeah, since loads of people just use the quick match options anyway that’d be the best of both worlds

[nimble bridge]

No need to be concerned right now tbh

[feral garden]

even persistent lobbies with map rotations would solve 90% of my issues with 2042.

[nimble bridge]

If BF6 open beta still lacks server browsers then it's time to be concerned

[tepid plinth]

A goddamn map selector at bare minimum

[crisp thorn]

We will have to wait and see

[rotund pier]

I hate the fact that battlefield and EA keep sending me emails

But it’s not an invitation >:(

[devout gazelle]

Was hyped about one too. Turns out, it was just a reported cheater getting banned and not an invitation.

[stiff storm]

That's good news too

[mint cobalt]

the more you want that invitation? the more harder it will be to acquire one... that's why I chose to voice my suggestion here, it's not much but who know... they could be watching us at this very moment, torturing us... waiting for us to finally snap and commit a mutiny on this server... (<v<;

Oh not, but you might as well be patient (-v-

[tepid plinth]

they probably are looking at this channel here and there

[tribal flame]

That's a problem only when daily actives are too low to populate at least one server for each game mode.

[tepid plinth]

if leaks are out, might as well see what people here think

[stiff storm]

Maybe that's just what they want you to think

It's probably some kind of algorithm that automatically picks people at random to the test, because who has the time to hand pick people tbh

There's software automation for that kind of thing

[half halo]

Good morning friends!
Another Day, another invite to a game that is not Battlefield

EA is trolling me at this point

[mint cobalt]

and maybe that is the Truth, and we just cannot accept the reality that is in front of us... there was no Battlefield 6... there was no invitation... there was no test... we are the test (0v0;

[fallen flume]

Damn. So is it confirmed that it’s only been PlayStation and PC so far for the alpha?

[tepid plinth]

Haven’t seen that anywhere

[fallen flume]

I’m looking real lonely over as a Series X owner waiting for an invite 😂😂

[fallen flume]

Copy that. Guess all the leaks I’ve seen have been either PC or PlayStation

[stiff storm]

if they were trolling, they'd make EA app even buggier than it is

[wispy dagger]

This is 90% of my frustration with that game

[stiff storm]

probably because either has better / more compatible hardware for the testing

[sharp prawn]

Should we get a sixth class for battlefield?

[wispy dagger]

You forgot to mention that every game you got into was the same map as well

[sharp prawn]

Like battlebit has medic as a separate class

Though wasn’t medic/support class was in bad company and bad company 2?

[mossy marten]

[feral garden]

Im all for simplifying class makeup, if that mean they are going to make gameplay more advanced/complex.

[fallen flume]

I see I see.

[mint cobalt]

The Medic, Assault and Engineer Class are constantly going back and forth, while the Support and Recon Class have stayed consistent

BF4 the Medic change to the Assault Class

[stiff storm]

well Support was Medic back in BFBC2

back in the old BF era of BF2-2142 (best games of BF series), there were 7 classes, Recon, Sniper, Assault, Support, Engineer, Medic, Anti Tank

they just merged Sniper into Recon, Medic into Support, and Anti Tank into Engineer and kept Assault it's own thing

[mint cobalt]

And then in BF3 the Medic cameback

But the Assault had to died

[feral garden]

Best to have 4 classes, then have players specialize themselves. AKA, You can have a recon class, but then have specializations that let them be reconnaissance, sniper, or spec ops. All with different perks that come with selection.

[stiff storm]

but Medic bascially means Support and the other way around doesnt it?

[feral garden]

People are just blinded by having static classes, and demand more. when its a better system to have 4 roughly defined roles, then let players tweak how those play themselves.

[mint cobalt]

BF3 classes was Medic, Engineer, Support, and Recon

BF4 was Assault, Engineer, Support, and Recon

BF1 was Assault, Medic, Support and Recon

And I am going blank on BFV and Hardline

I think BFV stay the same in BF1

[tepid plinth]

Besides, without class weapon restrictions it feels pretty pointless splitting them up

[mint cobalt]

And I think in Hardline one of the classes was changed to Enforcer?

[minor linden]

HL was Operator(assault/medic), Mechanic(Engineer), Enforcer(Support), and Professional(Recon)

[mint cobalt]

Ty that’s what it was all of them had different names

[nimble bridge]

Finally someone who agrees with me about 3D spotting :
https://youtu.be/L0Yq88WAiuU

[mint cobalt]

Speaking of Spotting if they are bring back the revive mechanic from BFV and BF2042, they have to let us spot enemies while we down, I always found that dumb that we can’t do that

[rustic coyote]

in BF2042 you can spot while down

[versed token]

not*

let us

[mint cobalt]

If I remember correctly was it only your squadmate can se it?

[rustic coyote]

true

[mint cobalt]

Not to mention players have been getting way too comfortable, running away, after downing, an enemy

[tepid plinth]

Would rather not

It’s silly

[stiff storm]

sometimes I just hit redeploy instead of getting killed xD

[tribal flame]

BFV tried that with Class Archetypes no ? 🤔

[minor linden]

Please no. You shouldn’t be punished for killing someone before they can spot you

[feral garden]

Yeah, get rid of that downed spotting and tagging.

Its such a load of crap that a player you kill can tag and spot you for their squad in 2042

Treat downed players as if they are totally incapacitated

[tepid plinth]

after you kill them no less

i've beaten them in a fight, now their entire squad knows where i am and can just converge on me

[feral garden]

Sounds SOOOOOO fun!

/s

[wispy dagger]

They should have balanced that with being able to full kill the down so no revive

[feral garden]

Its more fun to allow the downed state, but disallow downed spot/ping

And by "downed state", I dont mean downed state crawling

[woeful sluice]

Support could benefit from having both meds and ammo. I don't have any numbers but they always felt like the most underplayed class.

[mossy marten]

well that's how support is going to work this next game most likely (if no changes for that are done)

both meds and ammo, and in a single crate no less

[feral garden]

Falck is one of the most played in 2042, but thats due to their stim pistol/ammo crate combo. With the new mechanics behind resupply, I think the new supply crate (Combined ammo/health) can be really good.

[mossy marten]

i do wonder how a single med/ammo crate combo will work
does it activate both things at once, or what you need, or is it something you aim at and press left click for ammo/right click for meds
or is keybinds that you press instead

[feral garden]

Its both at once. Health when you need it/can take it. Then when you enter the radius of it, time to resupply counters for your equipment start. When a piece of gear reaches is resupply timer (All gear has different timers for resupply) that gear is partially restocked

[woeful sluice]

I'm also ok with assault getting ammo but never meds again. Support getting both could be better for the overall balance among classes I feel like.

[feral garden]

So as an example, a smoke nade might have a resupply timer of 3 seconds, an RPG 8 seconds, an AT mine 9 seconds, ETC. All the restock timers count in sync (at the same time)

[mossy marten]

dang

no isntant rocket resupply for zooking

[feral garden]

Its something BF has needed for a long time TBH. Instant resupply of 1 of each gear seems so terrible for balancing in comparison to this newer system

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie loitering near an ammo box waiting for you stuff to refilled was genuinely really aggravating.

A passive timer so you can instantly get stuff back is far more intuitive.

[hoary sinew]

I disagree. An instant resupply of one of each item would be far better, then have your cool down thing you described.

[feral garden]

Then you have the same as we have now. And the new system is made pointless

[hoary sinew]

I agree completely

Keep it as it is

The new system is pointless

[feral garden]

Explain why.

[hoary sinew]

Why change it? Why go from getting an instant resupply of one item and then the cool down?

I havent play tested. Ive just been reading

Don’t fix what isn’t broken

I would like to try it out and maybe it would be better, but im locked out of my ea account forever

[feral garden]

What is wrong with this change, you need to explain the issue with it.

They likely added it to stop the behavior players have with ammo crates. Aka treating them as single use instant resupply, especially for equipment.

Ammo for weapons could remain instant, at least partially. But it would be much better if a player needing a rocket would need to wait on a crate for a few seconds, instead of getting it instantly.

[hexed python]

Is there a way to confirm I signed up for Labs? I feel like I log in and dont see anything related to BF but I see Skate

[mossy marten]

DICE please gib customizable red dot options/reticle customization 🙏

[mossy marten]

once you ssigned up, you're signed up
now you wait for email for possible invite

[hexed python]

oh ok!

[feral garden]

Not wanting change is not a good enough reason for not changing something

[mossy marten]

which is like winning the lotto

[hoary sinew]

But what is wrong with the current system?

[mossy marten]

"They likely added it to stop the behavior players have with ammo crates. Aka treating them as single use instant resupply, especially for equipment."

[feral garden]

I just explained what's wrong with it. You get equipment and resupply too fast.

[hoary sinew]

I don’t see that as an issue

You only get one rocket and then need to wait anyway

It’s not like you get all 4 etc at once

[feral garden]

A player with a launcher, mines and a HE nade would get 1 of all 3 instantly under the current system.

This is behavior they clearly don't want.

[hoary sinew]

Are you saying the new system makes you wait for one rocket as well? Like you get to the crate. Have zero grenades and need to wait 3 seconds for one, so 9 seconds total for all 3?

[feral garden]

Yes

[mossy marten]

i don't really care
but it does suck rockets don't get resupplied faster to supplement my zooking addiction

[feral garden]

Every piece of equipment resupplies at different speeds, based on utility and power.

[minor linden]

Considering how powerful explosives seem to be with the returning debris damage system from 3, limiting how fast people can get explosives is good

[hoary sinew]

So, why do the devs want to do that? Why are they making it into a problem. Getting 1 out of 3 makes for more engagement and better gameplay

[feral garden]

I just explained twice why?

Lol

[hoary sinew]

Not really

[mossy marten]

They're probably going back to how it was before bfv and 2042

[feral garden]

Are you not reading?

[tribal flame]

I believe it's more intuitive to get resupplied as soon as you arrive near an ammo box, and they have to wait near it to get ressuplied more. Rather than having to wait near it to get your 1st resupply.

[feral garden]

But then you won't change player behavior

So the new system. Is pointless.

[hoary sinew]

You are saying the instant resupply is the reason why and I find that to be the issue

I need to leave for an appt. Ill be back later

[feral garden]

Players will run to a crate, get 1 of all gear, then run away from the crate, or wait for the timer when they can resupply at it again.

[hoary sinew]

And? I dont see the problem

[feral garden]

They don't want that cos it's too fast to replenish.

Obviously

[hoary sinew]

That’s dumb

[feral garden]

You don't cos you just want infinite easy rockets, but that's potentially bad for balance

[hoary sinew]

So they are going for an even slower paced game?

[feral garden]

Oh no!!!

[hoary sinew]

You still have to wait anyway. One rocket doesn’t do anything

Man, you are so full of yourself in your responses

[feral garden]

You aren't thinking about what you are proposing, or how it would make their new resupply system irrelevant

I'm just using my brain, sorry about that

[hoary sinew]

The current system? All of the evidence is there

No, im just not rude

[feral garden]

How have I been rude. You called me full of myself first lmao

Wtf is your problem

[hoary sinew]

You have been sarcastic

Bruh

[feral garden]

I have not been sarcastic, I have pointed out how you aren't thinking about how the resupply loop works now, or how it would work if you instant resupply on first entry to crate zone. Or how that breaks the intention of this new system entirely

[hoary sinew]

People, who say obviously. Are rude

[feral garden]

Lol

[hoary sinew]

Yes, i get that, but the current system isnt broken

[tribal flame]

The only problem with the current system is that you have to get out of the box area of effect and enter it again to get a new round of resupply. You currently cannot just wait next to it and get fully resupplied over time.

[hoary sinew]

What? I have to wait and I dont get resupplied right away in bf1, or 2042. After leaving the circle and coming back

[minor linden]

Yeah? What’s wrong with a slower paced game

[feral garden]

Don't know why you're getting so mad. I'm just explaining how it's working now, my understanding of why they did it this way and why doing what you have suggested makes the change they've made irrelevant

[hoary sinew]

Im not mad at all

[feral garden]

You clearly are.

[hoary sinew]

Yea because it is irrelevant.

[feral garden]

Lol

[hoary sinew]

Are you sure?

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[hoary sinew]

That’s how i feel talking to you

[tribal flame]

Let say you're a 0 rocket, you enter the ammo box circle, you get 1 rocket instantly. That ok. But if you stay in the circle, even after the cooldown resets, you need to exit the circle and go back in again to gat a 2nd rocket.

[feral garden]

You're the one not getting it and refusing any change. 🤣

[hoary sinew]

I get it entirely, but you havent explained why the current system is unbalanced. Where is the unbalance. The fanbase has not complained about it being an issue

You said the reason for the change

But like, the current system works perfectly

[crisp thorn]

thank god someone gets it

[hoary sinew]

So it doesnt make sense to change it

[feral garden]

This will have players not use crates as they intend right now also. Players as they do now (in 2042) will just run to a crate, get their gear, then move on.

They want to make supply crates more important in placement /position and use.

[hoary sinew]

You just said we have to wait when we get to the crate, so how are going to arrive at the crate and move on?

[feral garden]

Dear lord. Read

[hoary sinew]

You’re contradicting yourself

Nvm. Ill take that one

[tribal flame]

Then they need to remove this mandatory action of leaving the box area/reentering the box area and instead continue to ressuply automatically once the cooldown resets and players will stick to the ammo box.

[hoary sinew]

I actually have to leave

[tribal flame]

Or re-do it BFV style, with a interaction prompt.

[feral garden]

The resupply timers is like a player reaching the crate and having to manually find the equipment they need, and adding it to a pouch. But done automatically

You basically need to enter and stand your ground in the crate area to resupply.

I like it tbh. Not played it, but I see what they are going for.

[hoary sinew]

I guess my main concern before I go. Is we have this new team of devs who have’t worked on bf before other than 2042 and they will probably mess it up again because they are out of touch with the fanbase. The labs was a good move though because they need it

[tribal flame]

Also having the instant round of resupply as soon as you reach the box avoids being in the situation where you run for a box, have to wait and the box disappeared before you get anything because the support guy placed it elsewhere.

[feral garden]

No clue how they combat that, but it's an obvious flaw which I'm sure they have considered

Maybe you fix it by not despawning crates on death, and allowing support to place 2 at the same time, but not close together (time wise) A third removes the first placed crate.

You'd still run into this issue, just less commonly

[tribal flame]

I still believe the BFV way of doing it was the good way to go. Having to interreact with it. You couldn't just aim down your sight while waiting to get replenished.

[crisp thorn]

bf2042 was EA's fault

[tall urchin]

Press F not to insert bullets directly into your blood stream and shoot healing syringes at your enemies

[hoary sinew]

And the devs. Have you played the finals? The Embark studios is all ex-dice devs

[crisp thorn]

the devs are only 25% at fault.

[feral garden]

Its not. the majority of the devs that left DICE (It was not THAT many) joined TTK Games

[crisp thorn]

75% is EA

and yes i played the finals. the same DICE that has the same lead that told us "if you dont like it dont buy it"

[hoary sinew]

I liked it and bought it. Was that in reference to bfv? Best one of the series for mechanics of the soldier

I do understand EA and execs shoving money money money down the throats of devs though

[hoary sinew]

Who are TTK games

[hoary sinew]

They could combat that by instantly resupplying one of each item.

[feral garden]

How is a crate disapearing before you reach it combatted by this may I ask?

Solution to the previously stated issue is to not de-spawn in use crates

[crisp thorn]

my point was the old DICE is not all sunshine and rainbows then it is right now.

old DICE was out of touch during BFV marketing and launch

[hoary sinew]

No, just the waiting part and the crate disappearing while you are already there waiting.

I guess the items could continue their cooldown for 1 item even if the crate despawns.

[hoary sinew]

Can’t disagree there, but the game was amazing even if marketed wrong

[feral garden]

Was good until they decided to change the movement, gameplay and TTK every other month

[hoary sinew]

For V? That had the best movement

[feral garden]

Read the full sentence. Constant changes made it an inconsistent experience.

[hoary sinew]

I played hardcore, so TTK wasn’t an issue really

[hoary sinew]

My guy. All im asking about is the movement portion of your sentence

We are talking about V right?

[feral garden]

You didnt ask anything, you just said movement was good. It was good, but they changed it, the gameplay (Constant attrition changes/its removal/nerfing), then all the weapons TTK too often (even after promising not to). It made me dislike the game.

[hoary sinew]

I put a question mark. Can you read?

For V?

[feral garden]

For V?

[hoary sinew]

Yes

[feral garden]

Yes for V, its what we were talking about lol

[hoary sinew]

I was clarifying if you are talking about five. Thank you

[feral garden]

I was.

https://tenor.com/view/obviously-snape-harry-potter-gif-5508473

😏

[crisp thorn]

the instigating is crazy

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

[hoary sinew]

Im jumping in and out of convo

[hoary sinew]

🩷

[feral garden]

Im just yanking your chain lol

[hoary sinew]

I know and I respect the HP reference. I was at my appt, so I couldn’t do long responses

Responded in between them leaving and coming in the room lol

[hoary sinew]

What was changed? I recall we can crouch run. Dive backwards. Lay prone and 360 degree rotate our soldiers with the legs staying in place. The vaulting was good and the window vaulting was good. Grabbing ledges was good too. I think you could grab ledges. It has been awhile.

Did they remove some of those things? I think I last played V about 6-12 months ago

I do now remember they removed the single handed pistol use from in the water and climbing ladders from 4.

[stray veldt]

mess with the crabbo get the stabbo

[native dome]

add me to labs dice. I got like 10 hours a day free atm 😛

[feral garden]

Playtests only happen for a few hours on a single day. Your free time won't help much right now. 😉

[pallid coral]

Plus EA isn't gonna choose everyone that has the most free time, highest bandwidth, most battlefield's played, cracked out of their minds, sweaty, etc.

[swift spruce]

True facts!

[pallid coral]

I'd argue that they'd choose the opposite of those people in the beginning, people who are new to the series, not very "power users" of their controllers/KBM, people with accessibilities so that they make sure the foundation is built to teach new players and not only catered to the average sweatlord

[frosty sonnet]

your not going places everybody thoes days

[pallid coral]

An average battlefield player is going to be familiar with the UX/UI/HUD/menus, while new players to the franchise will be very new to the menus and way of things so it's best to pick a lot of those in the beginning of almost any software alpha testing so that you can get ACTUAL feedback on UI/UX from a newbie perspective rather than someone who's already used to the past installments

[safe moat]

Yea, its a lottery and i sure am know that i am not gonna get selected

[pallid coral]

well yeah from our perspective it is a bit of a lottery lol

but they know exactly who they want at each stage

[minor linden]

Eh, debatable considering what they’re testing

Rn most of the ui is placeholder, so that doesn’t matter much.

[pallid coral]

It absolutely does matter, feedback is taken from the start

[minor linden]

Fair. I’ve personally talked about my opinions of the ui so I guess it did bring a good amount of feedback

[pallid coral]

I've worked with software which literally just brewed up. Just because you're not working on UI at this current stage doesn't mean the feedback from new comers isn't valuable because the people who work on UI start day 1, research on previous titles, referencing other games, making sure the flow of UX is designed so even a not-stakeholder/non-customer of said product can access each menu without thinking too hard. "Great UI is invisible" I fucking love UX

[pallid coral]

Idk how much we're allowed to talk about leaks, but looking at some on reddit, I can see they went all-out with the information overload also making the UI aggressively huge which is a common tactic for these beginner friendly tests too, you gotta make sure they see all the UI feedback and can react to it, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some way they're tracking actions with the actual interface feedback

[ruby merlin]

No they don't. It's entirely random

[mossy marten]

tbh
they could simply transfer 2042's menu UI layout into BF6
that one is simple and to the point

[minor linden]

We’re allowed to talk about commonly known leaks

[mossy marten]

you got LTMs, BT, CQ, Portal, Other modes
and then settings

[minor linden]

I’d be fine with that if they make the bottom middle and right like 4. Also with some tweaks to fit the theme

The gun icons are completely useless imo

[ruby merlin]

No it wouldn't fit art style at all also 2042s ui isn't that good

[pallid coral]

It's not bro 😭 trust

[ruby merlin]

It is

[mossy marten]

"layout"
i'm not talking the art style of the U, just the basic layout of it lol

5 selections that open into sub selections of modes
settings
quit game option (for pc)
simple and to the point

[pallid coral]

Every "sprint", the team focuses on certain aspects. You have a foundation right now, which is not going to change unless mass feedback says otherwise. Every stage or "sprint' you're building this new feature into the game which requires testing at the end of it. They test it internally but that's not enough, which is where the others come in. As a tester you're given like 2 to 3 hours per like 2 weeks to test out these new features. You're building something specific, you're not gonna employ absolute randoms, that adds so much risk of bias. What if you end up with people who are only sweats? There's always a chance. There's a reason they didn't open labs for like a month because they wanted so many people to choose from. It's not random.

[ruby merlin]

Wrong reply lol

[fresh nebula]

Not entirely random. The survey we filled out to become a potential tester specifically mentioned those questions were to get participation from a diverse group of players. Different opinions from different places, experiences, etc is what they want.

[ruby merlin]

It is Randoms btw

[pallid coral]

Nice rage bait

Tell yourself that to cope with it

[ruby merlin]

You think that's rage bait?

Are you soft?

💀

[pallid coral]

💀

[ruby merlin]

Wtf

[fresh nebula]

Its giving you the benefit of the doubt and not calling you stupid.

[mossy marten]

either way
they better not make a hulu ass style menu for this upcoming game

[pallid coral]

I mean I'm trying to explain why I think it's not random and if all you got in reply is "It's random btw" what am I supposed to say 😂

[pallid coral]

we need the flashiest one with rgb everywhere, kinda like fragpunk

[ruby merlin]

In general it was like winning the lottery (lots signed up, few slots) and a spread around all types of players. I would not base my feelings around the
selection process based on the single leakers personal performance :). I get everyone wants in (l want you all
there) 1/2

But we need to start small and get everything to run smoothly and then go wider. First test was successful - now we can take the next steps! Have a great weekend! 2/2

From David sirland

[mossy marten]

that menu actually hurt my eyes more than the actual. gameplay

[pallid coral]

"like winning the lottery" and "random" are COMPLETELY different things. a chaos function in math seems "random" until you know the function itself

[ruby merlin]

You dont have any evidence of it being not random

[pallid coral]

its like random to us, it's not random fo rthem

they have a million+ accounts' info, they're picking the ones they want right now

it's for their and the game's benefit, idk whats there to not understand

[ruby merlin]

Yeah that to but mostly random

[pallid coral]

sometimes idek whats going on, makes me feel too old

[ruby merlin]

Here the problem. You have nothing to back up your claims, its just assumptions with no baseline.

[fresh nebula]

As per what the survey we filled put implies, it organized people into buckets based on certain background criteria, and then its random based on that. So yes its determined. And yes its random.

[ruby merlin]

If you have anything to back it up please show me

[mossy marten]

flashy UI aside, that shit was annoying to navigate with all the random shit going on on it

[pallid coral]

variety, diversity and random are also different