battlefield-labs-discussion

[covert nest]

Which is really good for communicating to the player.

[fleet robin]

that's interesting

[feral garden]

Yeah, you could see it in the first gameplay video in the labs announcement

[minor linden]

Nah, if you try shooting in the air you get knocked down and bleed out

[merry ermine]

I'm getting xD, The Finals, vibes from this 😬

[tepid plinth]

if I can bhop, wallrun, double jump, air strafe, tap strafe, hipfire in midair, call a titan then I won't cry

[gaunt jungle]

dont most bf games have this?

[covert nest]

I wonder how crouch spamming will be dealt with. I hope it'll be way less effective.

[feral garden]

No, only when shot.

[fleet robin]

if they do i've not noticed it at all, new to me

[covert nest]

Play bf3 and you'll see it from sweats.

I swear to God

[gaunt jungle]

Oh its part of suppression?

[covert nest]

I've seen it for 11 years now.

[tepid plinth]

started playing siege recently and it does that too

[fleet robin]

big fan of vehicle destruction too, tanks look and sound great when hit by rockets, and the explosions are incredible

[covert nest]

I'm not a fan of the current iterations of perks though

[gaunt jungle]

I think this is an interesting way to distribute certain types of equipment, but I worry that every class has a bit too much

[minor linden]

They are way too specialist-themed imo

Also, why would a soldier be carrying around a drone and not use it whenever he wants

[feral garden]

Tanks also spawned in HQ in the map. Not on demand when spawned from the deploy screen (tho they can be entered from deploy screen)

[gaunt jungle]

specialist-themed
The hell does this mean?

[mossy marten]

cause that would be mad annoying just like UCAV spam

[feral garden]

Game balance

[gaunt jungle]

thank god.

[covert nest]

"Despicable" and "anti armour tree"
Particularly the part where being shot in the chest reduces your health regen (taking massive damage) and heavily damaged vehicles being slowed by rockets just dont sit right with me.

[feral garden]

It's a video game, not real life.

[minor linden]

Bad wording, but essentially it feels more like a massive powerup equipment rather than gradual improvements like in 4

[tepid plinth]

now i've got no clue what you are all on about

[gaunt jungle]

yeah I gotta agree. Adding a new passive effect to an existing item seems at odds with the sandbox nature of the game.

[covert nest]

What?

No I'm more concerned about the balancing of them.

[mossy marten]

CPL is saying that class perks are stronger than BF4s version of them (for some parts, i agree with)

[covert nest]

Being pricked by a sniper and being fucked isn't fun.

Being spotted (and being unrevivable by headshot) to me is pushing it.

Nvm being in a tank and swarmed by engies and not being able to escape.

[feral garden]

Hardline did that and it was fine

[minor linden]

Imo the no-revive for bolt action headshots should be there without the need for an upgrade. It entices people to aim for headshots rather than center of mass.

[covert nest]

Not heavy health regen loss.

[mossy marten]

i think the unrevivable headshot is fine. not great, but not horrible

1. requires bolt actions
2. people can't hit headshots consistently on moving targets, unless you stand still for more than 3 seconds

[tepid plinth]

killing incentivises hitting headshots and not the centre of mass

[minor linden]

And it isn’t spammable because of how low bolt-actions fire rate is

[covert nest]

I'm fine with headshots taking me out. What I'm trying to say is that added up they feel oppressively powerful.

Just the chest shot regen part i feel is bad.

And I want to make it clear.

[mossy marten]

the slow regen could have been worse imho
they could have made it where you are slowed down as well

[feral garden]

Recon needs good perks to help people choose to play them tbh.

[covert nest]

Yes. And it has tonnes under that list.

[gaunt jungle]

Tricky to put into words but it feels like its breaking the established rules of how one interacts with the game.
Usually its straight forward: you pull out an item, you click buttons to interact with that item. This is the core of the sandbox. But now there is this 3rd interaction, where what the item does changes based on a factor outside of that item. And because of this it feels less like an interactable space.

[tepid plinth]

If hypothetically some such perk exists, I could see it being rather annoying. Snipers can just dome you out of nowhere, so you could be doing your own thing and suddenly you are out of the fight entierly, if that ended a streak of mine i'd be very annoyed, especially if with a squad

[merry ermine]

But it's equally oppressively powerful that you can be getting pricked by snipers with no consequences to the gunfight you may be in.
I've said this for ages that without anything like aimpunch, suppression, or this new regen thing that CQ infantry always have an advantage

[feral garden]

Engineers get rocket launchers always usable. Is that fairer than a bodyshot with a rifle reducing HP regen speed?

[covert nest]

No sway, resistance to spotting and deadshot headshot is super good!

Because my soldier health regen shouldn't be removed by some annoying dude who refuses to stop harassing me.

[tepid plinth]

It would make recons stronger, as the ranges people play at usually have snipes just being revived moments after, but if people used snipers to their strength they'd have impact regardless

[covert nest]

I wonder what you'd get under dmrs.

That'd be super interesting.

[mossy marten]

i don't think anything

[tepid plinth]

I am still hoping for proper weapon restrictions

[covert nest]

I do like how out there the perks are.

[mossy marten]

also all guns are available to all classes

[tepid plinth]

maybe like, a weak carbine shared for variance but I feel it's important to have

[covert nest]

I hope that we'll get a successor to archetypes.

[feral garden]

The only one that seems a bit to hero shootery is the support one.

[covert nest]

Classes that are specifically balanced around certain class types.

[feral garden]

Or the assault resistance one

[vague barn]

Yeah, I hope the weapon categories become class restricted.

[minor linden]

Getting your healing removed will def be a pain

Imagine it this way: you’re fighting someone when all of a sudden you get hit for like 30 damage from across the map by the weakest sniper. Normally, this wouldn’t be an issue. Now though, you can’t heal and have a massive disadvantage just because a sniper you can’t find hit you once

[covert nest]

Oh assault have two perks of flak resistance is super funny but I'm not complaining LMAO

I think

[gaunt jungle]

one is passive the other is a temporary ability

[covert nest]

I think if the health regen reduction is like 10h/s from 12h/s it shouldn't be bad. In this theoretical scenario i wouldn't hate it.

[mossy marten]

hey
at least there isn't a riot shield

[covert nest]

I'm super aware.

[tribal flame]

BF4 weapons categories were great, with only 1 archetype locked behind the class, and the others availalbe for all.

[gaunt jungle]

we dont know that, support could get one

[covert nest]

I know support has a perk that makes their supportive gadgets even more effective.

Which would be really interesting.

Though I'm saying this all as if ohhh they ain't gonna change anything.

[minor linden]

What does “more effective” even mean tho

[covert nest]

I feel like these could be split up, removed, etc.

[feral garden]

The support one reminded me of overwatch mercy super lol

[cloud flame]

If I were to guess prolly something like refill/heal faster in some way

[covert nest]

Basically imagine consuming grievous amounts of drugs and this time you don't become a lobotomy patient.

[mossy marten]

don't curse us like that please

[covert nest]

Or in the case of battlefield

You don't become a red smear on the wall.

[minor linden]

Imo the mortar strike needs to be removed. Mortars should really be limited to squad call-ins or a commander

[gaunt jungle]

Depends on how these abilities work.

[covert nest]

Bad co 2 recon had it as a gadget and I don't think it'll be crazy powerful.

It could be useless. Who knows.

[feral garden]

BC2 recons had mortars and it was amazing

[covert nest]

It'll probably just be super annoying.

[vague barn]

I'm hesitant to say "yay" or "nay" to any of the final field upgrades until I have actually tried and/or experienced them myself.

[gaunt jungle]

Im more curious about the thermite drone as it indicates to me that other drones types may be in this game

[covert nest]

Or until full release yeah

[vague barn]

That as well.

[gaunt jungle]

I think the classes may be a bit overloaded in general. We got 3 gadgets and a grenade and whats effectively an ultimate ability.

[fleet robin]

5 classes might be the way to go

[feral garden]

Or just make assault the medic. 🤔

[covert nest]

Just gimme claymores for assault and it'll be a fun meme.

Assault as an aggro class I'm all for.

[gaunt jungle]

that or put gadget limits based on slot. 2 grenade launchers on assault may be a bit much.

[covert nest]

And those two gls are literally frag and smoke.

Sorry

Explosive

[gaunt jungle]

or thermobaric

or a shotgun

[vague barn]

Ngl you do strike me as the aggressive balls-to-the-wall Stosstrupp-moment the-only-way-is-forwards theyve-surrounded-me-what-a-shame-for-them type of player.
(Sorry for the ping)

[covert nest]

Who uses buck seriously?

[minor linden]

I think the idea behind the class perks are good, but making the final one basically an ultimate is a bit weird

Something like the thermite drone could just be a gadget with a very long cooldown or non-op damage

[covert nest]

@vague barn i am the monkey

[gaunt jungle]

or a pickup

[cedar ridge]

Yo is it still available to join the labs?

[covert nest]

Nah

[vague barn]

lmao

[minor linden]

Just give the drone limited range and the same damage as one rpg shot if not less and it wouldn’t be that annoying or op

[covert nest]

I like playing aggressive cause it means I just don't sit back and do nothing.

[gaunt jungle]

it needs to deal more than that

[tribal flame]

It was great are making campers move

[cedar ridge]

Was that the answer to my question?

[covert nest]

Yes

[cedar ridge]

Ok ty

[vague barn]

I mean, I am the same in spirit, just far less successful. I compensate for my passive recce addiction in games like Arma by being extremely aggressive in games like BF.

[minor linden]

As long as it isn’t insanely powerful, I’m good with any damage amount

[feral garden]

In BC2 recon mortar was a directed barrage, that didn't 1 shot a player as long as they moved after they saw/heard it coming in. Was as good for camping snipers as it was for camping vehicles.

[tribal flame]

It feels more powerful in 2042 portal than in BC2

[tepid plinth]

Hearing all this has me excited for when they tackle a class dev log as I’ll be very interested in their plans for this

[vague barn]

Yeah, that'll be an interesting devlog that I am sure will stir up a shitstorm and a half in this chat.

I'm going to make popcorn the moment that drops.

[minor linden]

You know there’s gonna be a lot of people complaining that support got medic’s stuff instead of assault

[tepid plinth]

But again I’ll find it hard to properly criticise before playing it

[vague barn]

Same here, I can speculate and theorize all day long, but at the end of the day, I haven't played with it or experienced it myself to form an actual opinion.

[feral garden]

From what I see... I am happy with the game so far. One exception is non class restricted weapons

[tepid plinth]

Plus we aren’t really supposed to know lol

[minor linden]

Tbf, that could just be for testing

[feral garden]

Yeah, but they are allowing moderate discussion of widest leaks. Which is a good move.

[tepid plinth]

I’m cautious still cause idk if they’ll snap back at any random point, don’t want to risk it

Trying to get regular still and I’d rather not get done in for mentioning something that is under that territory

And I’m on the train now anyway so signal will be so bad I’ll struggle to carry on any discussion

[vague barn]

Tunnel?

[gaunt jungle]

I dont think there is anything to worry about unless you are in the beta yourself.

[tepid plinth]

Countryside

[feral garden]

If they do, they do. I'll keep an eye on their rules and try to stay on the right side of the line.

[minor linden]

Don’t worry. We’re just talking about the official Battlefrog Labs videos

[gaunt jungle]

At this point everyone knows what BF6 is

[tepid plinth]

Might give it a watch later but just keep my lips zipped in case

[limpid sluice]

Are the leaks discussed here? Or is that banned by the community mods

[covert nest]

I don't know

[feral garden]

Anyways, my message to the team is...

Everything looks and sounds great. Really promising direction. Keep on cooking.

[covert nest]

I think they stopped trying to moderate it because it's open and people were getting in trouble.

I think the only thing you can't do is say you were in the test and what you experienced.

But I'd say be careful considering how these mods act.

[limpid sluice]

Well regardless of anything out there (or not, I haven’t seen or heard anything of course) and just saying: Me and many others do appreciate and prefer an uncrowded UI. Just putting it out there .. 😉

[feral garden]

They changed the rules to allow for some leak discussion

Leaks - The sharing and discussion of leaked information will be closely monitored. There is to be no discussion of leaks that are circulating in small groups, feel like hearsay, and/or don't match known information around the product as well as no downloading/direct re-sharing of game footage that has been leaked elsewhere. Players can however discuss leaks that are seen as widely available or have been covered by mainstream media sources, but this is entirely at the moderator/staff team’s discretion.

[gaunt jungle]

It seems to be built on the 2042 UI and I wonder if thats going to be refactored.

[limpid sluice]

Ok well current leaks don’t circulate in small groups. They’re all over the public internet

[limpid sluice]

Sure hope so.

[feral garden]

They basically dont want throries being represented as fact

[gaunt jungle]

I think the glacier leak is pretty credible now though

[tepid plinth]

Interesting. I did look up the rules a few days back and I’m fairly sure this is different

[feral garden]

Yes, this was added not long ago today

[tepid plinth]

That’ll be why

[limpid sluice]

I wonder if they’re gonna re-introduce battlelog, with the whole talk surrounding communities.

[feral garden]

doubtful, it being PC only

[tepid plinth]

Okay, that’s good. Also trying to avoid hearsay and theorising is good

[feral garden]

You shouldnt require console players to have a pc/laptop in order to use core parts of your game

[tepid plinth]

What we really need is the phone companion app

[feral garden]

I always found that annoying as an EX console player

[gaunt jungle]

couldnt you just let people interact with it from the game itself?

[feral garden]

Just have everything built into your game.

[tepid plinth]

It’s entirely unnecessary but back in secondary I’d alter my loadout in the common room ready for when I got back home lol. Was neat

[limpid sluice]

If they want to expand the community experience beyond the game they might have to introduce a device and media mix tho.

The gunplay currently seems pretty lightweight. I hope they’ll keep working on that.

[minor linden]

I’d be fine with a 2042 style ui if they just make the bottom right of the hud like 4’s. The mobile-game looking gun icons make it very cluttered and cheap feeling

[feral garden]

Thew UI looks unfinished TBH...and if they are going to be taking player feedback into account for tweaks, thats probably a good thing.

[tepid plinth]

Given this one is primarily movement, servers and gunplay I’d imagine they’d have a specific one for ui later

[feral garden]

I liked the damage numbers visualization

[minor linden]

Probably

[tepid plinth]

2042 underwent a fair bit of ui rework post launch too, wouldn’t be surprised if they do some too

But now I feel I need watch them to get up to speed lol

[limpid sluice]

How do you feel about the capture point contesting system? I liked not having the insight in contesting status

. At least in the current state it’s there

[minor linden]

The obvious tests I can think of are:

• movement and gunplay (current)
• ui
• vehicles (could be split up into land, air, and water)
• classes

[tepid plinth]

Would love if they just had a ‘heli’ test where everyone is given a heli and told to go ham lol

[limpid sluice]

Environmental destruction maybe.

[minor linden]

It’s kinda useful, but also useless. If it’s going down, you are outnumbered. If it’s standing still, there’s an even number of ally and enemy. If it’s going up, you outnumber them.

[limpid sluice]

Interesting. I entirely despised that lmaoo

[limpid sluice]

Well I think in 2042 you could see how many there are of each team

So even if it was 3 v 7 you would know. In previous games you would only know whether one fraction had more.

Hope they’re doing A/B testing

[feral garden]

Its kinda wild to look back at the home screen UI from 2042s launch.

[minor linden]

I’ve never felt the need to know how many I’m going against, but I guess it is slightly useful

[feral garden]

I dont like it. I think it treats the players as if they are stupid. "Bigger number mean bad!!!"

In reality, a player should know that if the flag is being captured, there are more enemies than friendlies.

I especially dont like in 2042 how looking at aflag from a distance shows you this info

[tepid plinth]

How can you have damage numbers look different, isn’t it just a number?

[feral garden]

Gameplay also suggests flags no longer exist, which means no possibility of returning to the flag proximity system.

[minor linden]

Speaking of Home Screen ui. I’m honestly between the new and old styles. I like the traditional

• Multiplayer
• Campaign
• Settings
  thing on the side, but the new ui style doesn’t look that bad.

[tribal flame]

I like to see "1 vs 12" on breakthrough as a defender, that's how you realise your team already gave up and is already on the next sector.

[feral garden]

This is a minor spoiler as you havent looked at anything...so ill mark it as such and let you decide to view it (or not)

||They appear on the player/vehicle you shoot, rather than in UI||

[tepid plinth]

I’ll risk it for a biscuit

Given the more lax leak rules I think I’ll dip my toes into it

Ah okay, gotcha. ||apex style||

Theoretically sounds good, can be an issue figuring it out when they are bunched so it sounds good on paper

[minor linden]

I feel like a lot of stuff modern games add does that. Like, we aren’t stupid. We know that we’re massively outnumbered if the capture is dropping like a rock. We don’t need a ui element to tell us this

[feral garden]

Im mostly fine with it, as I understand the modes. And I guess it does help new players to understand things. I just feel its a BIT unnecessary

I liked the cat and mouse that happened in older games, where the closer you were to a flag, the faster you capped. If it was a 1v1 on a flag, the player closest to the flag capped it

[minor linden]

Same with guns on the ui. We don’t need an indicator of “press 1 to equip primary” on the side at all times. That’s what a tutorial is for

Tho, a lot of games don’t have tutorials nowadays unless they’re adding a big new feature

[tepid plinth]

You could turn off key prompts for vehicles, I know that for certain

[tribal flame]

At least they're not going the delta force way by having objective boundaries outlined both on the minimap and on the ground...

[tepid plinth]

Didn’t bother looking for infantry ui as having keys isn’t that intrusive

[tepid plinth]

Why would boundary markers be bad?

[tribal flame]

It's on the minimap, and when you have an enemy in the area the flag capture icon shows up, that's enough indicator.

Was never needed

[feral garden]

Boundary markers look odd, cos its like a realism breaker in this authentic war game experience.

[tepid plinth]

If it’s just because of the visuals of it then fair enough

[feral garden]

I dont mind them enough to war against them, and im willing to give a chance tho

[tepid plinth]

I wouldn’t see a need for them either

[pulsar osprey]

I do.

but I guess I'm in the minority.

[limpid sluice]

I prefer only having hit numbers for vehicle damage. Don’t like it for infantry. I know they have been inspired by Apex and Fortnite and whatnot but … It doesn’t vibe with Battlefield imo

[minor linden]

If they aren’t glowing a ton and blocking your view, I don’t mind them

[tepid plinth]

And since they would probably be considered ui, they could have them be toggleable perhaps?

[feral garden]

They could always make them optional? Would that solve your issue?

[tepid plinth]

I’ve gotten pretty used to damage numbers since 4, it’s helpful

[pulsar osprey]

having options is the best option in my opinion.

[tepid plinth]

Definitely more useful for vehicles though, especially with angular damage in the other games

[tribal flame]

again I don't think it's needed. With time you learn how many bullets from this or that weapon should get you a kill. No point of having the info you removed 6 times X amount of his life bar.

[pulsar osprey]

I meant that in a "I do find them useful" way.

[feral garden]

Yeah, I get you

[minor linden]

I might just be stupid, but I’ve never added up the damage to see how much till they die. I just shoot them till I get a kill indicator

[tribal flame]

For tutorial on the 1st game

[limpid sluice]

Fully agree. I understand they want to expand the playerbase to less skilled / versed gamers but I liked getting a better and better feeling for how many bullets kill with each weapon. Talking about battlefield3 back then especially

[feral garden]

What do ye think the best way to represent vehicle damage, versus player damage is.

As a percentage, or actual damage number

[pulsar osprey]

I never really found the colouring on the minimap useful for that. like it more in my actual 3D world view.

[tribal flame]

if you have 100 health points it's basically the same 😄

[feral garden]

The above might be a stupid question...as percentage based damage info would be confusing AF haha

[minor linden]

Damage makes the tank seem stronger while percentage makes the explosive seem stronger

Imo damage is better since you should be somewhat afraid of facing a tank

[limpid sluice]

I don’t think there should be damage indicators. Maybe for assist when killed or destroyed. Let players figure out themselves that a grenade launcher doesn’t deal much damage to a T90.

[tepid plinth]

Aren’t they both the same? Health is 100 in both cases

[cold belfry]

Set damage I think is a great way to do it. Just keeping it like it’s been tbh

[tribal flame]

Just bring back the "count as kill" with the score equal to the damage you dealt. divide it by the number of shots you landed and you have your damage per bullet

[feral garden]

Na, since a rocket might do 100 damage, but a tank have 400 armor (Health)

[minor linden]

One thing that I kinda want to see is explosives rocking vehicles more. It makes them feel actually powerful

[tepid plinth]

In that case, percentage based as we have now

[feral garden]

this can be achieved with sound design IMO (Making rockets feel more powerful)

[tepid plinth]

Just makes more sense to me

[cold belfry]

[limpid sluice]

Or hit marker design.

[minor linden]

Yeah. A simple screen shake when hit can also go a long way

[feral garden]

Its the same as with guns. If your gun sounds weak, it will feel weak to use.

[tepid plinth]

Recoil animation, projectile visuals, all works in tandem

[cold belfry]

Character getting hit by a blasts shockwave would be awesome!

[tepid plinth]

Honestly can’t think of what game has my favourite rocket launcher feel

[tribal flame]

The sound of a rocket ricochet on the armor of a tank

[merry ermine]

it's like watching someone swing an LMG one-handed up above their shoulder in pre-game trains your mind to think of the gun as made of plastic 🙂

[cold belfry]

Some shell shock if you get hit in a weak spot

[feral garden]

I think BF4 had my favorite launchers

[limpid sluice]

I entirely missed guns feeling like AN94 or G3A3 in BF2042. Battlefield 3 overall had a more grounded gunfeel.

The gunplay seems pretty lightweight again

[minor linden]

Bf4 def has my favorite launchers

Insurgency has good ones too tho

[tepid plinth]

I’d say maybe the helldivers 2 rockets maybe. Or the Titanfall 2 thunderbolt

[cold belfry]

[minor linden]

Helldivers ones do feel quite powerful

[tribal flame]

I think BF2042 has a good feedback when it comes to landed shots. But headshots, not as satisfying as BF1

[tepid plinth]

Sniper wise nothing beats the Kraber in terms of feel

[minor linden]

Eh, imo 2042 was severely lacking in feedback. It kinda felt like nothing when I shot someone. Tho, I haven’t played in a bit so they probably fixed it

[tribal flame]

I don't know, the "tak" sound when it hits does it for me.

[tepid plinth]

The kill is really squelchy

[tribal flame]

Maybe there is a small vibration feedback as well on controller that helps.

[raw garnet]

I like it big

[tribal flame]

Bigger is not always better, look at the 128 player count 😂

[merry ermine]

maybe I'm misunderstanding but why should it feel like anything to the shooter when a bullet hits a target?

shouldn't it just be all visual confirmation of hits?

[tepid plinth]

The combination of all of it gives it a certain feel that’s hard to describe

[merry ermine]

if I feel something I assume I'm the one getting hit 😄

[feral garden]

I dont really care about auditory feedback on hits, but hitmarkers are nice to have

[wispy cloud]

Hello Battlefield brothers and sisters!

[tribal flame]

I'll investigate after work, But I'm sure there is an haptic feedback on hit markers. Maybe in the trigger I'll check

[merry ermine]

I mean it's all controller concern anyway right? I'm not getting anything on KBM either way

it would be like a screen shake, a flash, an indicator etc

[mossy marten]

imagine haptic feedback on the mouse 🤮

[fleet robin]

immersive

[merry ermine]

don't give razer or any of them ideas lol

[tribal flame]

I like reloading the NTW50 with a dualsense, it makes a muffled rusty gears noise that you can feel in your hands

[limpid sluice]

Played BF3 again and they had it perfect imo. I agree why should there be any more feedback for a hit beyond a hitmarker.

The degree of bloat in 2042 and other games is insane, almost like a sensory nightmare sometimes

[tribal flame]

It's not essential for sure, but nice to have.

Especially if optional

[versed token]

Don't need to complicate hitmarks

Purely visual for normal hits and audio feedback for oneshot headshots

[willow vine]

I hope the commander mode make a come back.

From bf4

[tribal flame]

Give it a proper come back by making it like BF2

[mossy marten]

well i don't use razer, logitech, corsair, etc
their mice are mid, and software is F-tier

[spice bramble]

I have an 8 year old Hiraliy mouse that cost me maybe 40 bucks

Can't complain

[floral wraith]

I hope they bring back rentable servers for the community that's a big thing for us veteran battlefield gamers.

Id like to see some BF2 and bad company 2 maps come back

[wispy ore]

I hope I can get into the testing on Playstation. 🙂

I am very hyped for the next Battlefield! 😄

[tribal flame]

1000% tickets 24/7 on the new version of metro 🤘

[spice bramble]

Man I miss the BF3 vehicle interior hud

It really sells you the idea that you're in the tank, not that you are the tank

[mossy marten]

i wonder when the next playtest will be

yall thinking it's gonna be bi weekly? or monthly?

[fossil atlas]

I never even got to play test so sad

[mossy marten]

neither did 99.5% (or more) of people who signed up lol
pretty sure that a test on a friday, during only peak EU hours, for only 2 hours doesn't constitute an actual test, and more of a technical test to check networking and blah blah blah stuff

[covert nest]

Think when they need to test a major feature they will.

[hoary ridge]

Way on his way to break everything

[fossil atlas]

That makes sense

[mossy marten]

so 3 months, got it

[spice bramble]

It also depends on whether they want to implement some of the feedback into the next iterations of playtests

Could be biweekly but I don't think many things would change

I may just be saying total crap here but I'm giving my 2 cents

[somber marsh]

Okay pointers !
1 listen to player base feedback. Veterans and newer!
2). Bring back core classes! Not operators and skins! Keep realistic cosmetics that unlock to show player progression that are functional to map region elements and have functionality to players who want to strategically play. If your in an urban map you can put on an urban pattern or on ur weapon. Say snowy map you want artic fatigues and m81 blouse to blend in if unlocked sure! Practicality not terminator and pay for skins that have not reference or call of duty vibes.
3) 64 player maps, bring back rush! Maybe some heritage maps for veterans like caspian border, operation locker, operation metro, firestorm, ect per each season!
4) destruction, map weather, and map levitation like flood zone!
5) movement mechanics, move when down, drag down teammates, or when down go into a last stand with side arm!
6) again EA please just listen to your community, veterans and player base feedback and don’t rush or skip anything. Take time to really polish the game and not release early like bf5 and 2042. Clean it up!
7 campaign mode for those veterans who enjoyed campaign and though a extraction or royale mode would appease many really take time to again polish multiplayer first !
Accidentally posted in a general chat. So guess here is okay. Nice to meet everyone played bf3/4/ 1/ V.
2042 wasn’t too impressed. Not trynna make anyone mad haha but ik it’s the internet so it’s whatever🤣

[spring shale]

I signed up to battlefield labs when is there a playtest

[feral garden]

Dear lord put spaces between the numbered stuff so my eyes dont melt while reading

[feral garden]

haha, its all good. discord sucks for walls of text

[tepid plinth]

Especially on mobile
Loaded up the chat and got a piece of text equivalent to the 10 commandments

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/curtains-mornings-bright-blinded-sunshine-gif-1976407548283915597

Its like this for me lol

[somber marsh]

Yeah. I got told that. Just wanted to put a few pointers on. I’m on my mobile atm😶‍🌫️😬.

any feedback or criticism on my pointers ? Happy to hear them tbh.

[feral garden]

They pretty much have/are doing everything listed there tho. So all good for you

Cant really speak to cosmetic stuff or progression tho

[somber marsh]

Listening and following through though are 2 separate things. EA has listened before but also many times we seen the ball dropped.

[feral garden]

I mean, we have seen it, so the proof is in the puddin'

Looking forward to future feedback loops shared with the public myself tho

[mossy marten]

i ain't reading all that

[quick merlin]

Fully agree with them all, myself.

[somber marsh]

Like cosmetics. Like bring real camos back to change like 3/4 but maybe allow the player to change the kit fully like maybe in a snowy map have a artic fatigue with a m81 blouse and coyote tan plate carrier. But no unicorn skins.

[mossy marten]

all i'm gonna say is, expect 2042 style or toned down 2042 skins.....

[somber marsh]

For the veterans who want more flexibility and strategy for their playstyle like recon or stationary support

[feral garden]

How will I blend in in the magic fairy town map tho?

Ill look PRETTY STUPID standing there in my urban camo

[somber marsh]

🤣

[feral garden]

🤣

[mossy marten]

they need to bring back hotwire
that was a fun mode

[somber marsh]

You know what I mean haha. It’s a valid point 😂.

Hot wire I don’t remember? What mode was that? Good rush on naval strike was 🤌

[mossy marten]

it's a mode from hardline
basically conquest, but the flags were vehicles and you had to keep above a certain speed to gain points/drain tickets

[feral garden]

Yeah, im just messing around. Keep the skins and camos in tune with the aesthetic of the rest of the game

[mossy marten]

so faster paced Conquest basically

[somber marsh]

Yes absolutely!

[somber marsh]

Oh yes loved that mode!

[pliant onyx]

Did anyone get to try the apache helicopters yet?

[somber marsh]

Too love a good night operations mode🤤 but really realistic physics under nods variable gain , incorperate 40* of view with nods🫢 and washout if someone hits ya hot with white light or flare 😏

[mossy marten]

the map from the test was ground vehicles/infy only as far as we know

[somber marsh]

Mhm bring back heritage and redone maps each season for veterans like flood zone and operation metro

How is the testing looking? Pros and cons from your observation

[feral garden]

I dont think floodzone is that good of a map TBH.

[pliant onyx]

Oh I see ..When’s the next testing does anyone know ?

[feral garden]

Had a cool levelution event, but the map itself is kinda just not amazing

[mild girder]

talking about leaks is not allowed

[mossy marten]

yeah, flood zone and most bf4 launch maps are pretty bad

[feral garden]

They changed rules to allow talking about some of the leaks...in moderation

[mossy marten]

silk road trauma flashbacks

[somber marsh]

I wouldn’t say the best by flow but was different by the elements with levitation flooding and high rises! I agree it was constricting.

[mild girder]

oh thats cool

[feral garden]

I dunno, the high rises didnt really add much to that map. You just had people wasting helis to get up there with a sniper.

[somber marsh]

I would atleast like to see zavod and or operation firestorm or naval strike back.

[feral garden]

the flooding changed the map, but I dunno, I never thought it necessarily made the map better

I just remember lots of running, and climbing staircases on floodzone. the combat on the flags themselves was never amazing

Zavod was a very fun map, id prefer to see that over floodzone

[mossy marten]

damavand peak would be a great remake (if only just the rush mode version/using the rush mode version for BT)

[somber marsh]

I’ll give up flood zone over zavod to agree !

[feral garden]

Honestly, id love for them to do maps fully made for one mode, and one mode specifically. Like have a map thats made just for conquest, not a map thats made for conquest, BT, rush, TDM and everything in between.

You could probably get away with conquest maps also supporting conquest small, and TDM...but lots of recent maps have suffered for trying to be a jack of all trades, master of none.

BC2 was so good for me, cos all the maps seemed tailored for Rush

[mossy marten]

that would be a good idea....
if premium existed still

[severe mesa]

premium will never come back

[mossy marten]

i know

[feral garden]

My favorite BF4 map was/is Paracel Storm tho.

[spice bramble]

Tailoring maps specifically to a gamemode would take so much effort

[wicked frost]

Why not if we have a good map pack like bf3

[somber marsh]

No certain maps really have good game modes I agree hard to do all jack of trades but maybe have a play filter like cod . I hate COD but nice to be able to chose what specifically you like and the map and modes selection.

[spice bramble]

Or have a server browser :D

[mossy marten]

not enough money to be made is the reason. they need SKINS instead
also the player base split

[tepid plinth]

I swear if we don’t for the next game I’ll go ballistic

[somber marsh]

If they do skins again I’ll send it back. Like I said I don’t want a cod game old classic bf!

[tepid plinth]

It is crazy how refreshing it is to boot up bf1, and find a full game on a map I like in less than 20 seconds

[mossy marten]

it's guaranteed that skins will be in the game.... it's a live service afterall

[tepid plinth]

Rather than wiring queueing for 1:50, into a map I hate, then requeuing constantly

[somber marsh]

Where you see that?

[spice bramble]

BF1 has so many different maps still populated that I have a problem with choosing a server

For real

[tepid plinth]

There were almost 30-40 full servers yesterday

[mossy marten]

it's the just the way it is
also EA CEO said in an earnings call sometime last year, that the game is "shaping to be a fantastic live service" (paraphrased as i don't remember the actual quote)

[spice bramble]

I still end up with god damn Achibaba every time

Not voluntarily

[wicked frost]

BF1 PS4 is dead …

[somber marsh]

Well if they put skins in to buy I’ll be done with bf tbh. No red glowing guns and packs either.

[wicked frost]

EU/NA server

[tepid plinth]

it's foolish to assume they won't do skins

they are 100%, without fail going to be there

[somber marsh]

If they do royale and have skins sure maybe that be one thing but multiplayer no

[sinful stump]

Bro where have you been for the last decade?

Every single multiplayer game has purchasable skins

[spice bramble]

Fucking sucks they won't implement a switch for skins

Well, they could, but not likely

[sinful stump]

They probably could, cod did it for one event and it was actually p cool

[mossy marten]

They won't because it's free advertising basically

[spice bramble]

Team distinction will be really bad man

Unless they somehow manage to keep a consistent theme for each faction

[gloomy geode]

The YouTube comments on the leak videos are so ass

[tepid plinth]

although let them put on bright skins if they want to, makes them an easier target for me lol

[spice bramble]

People that never played Battlefield and talk about it are the most annoying

[tepid plinth]

i'm not even going to ask what people are saying

I can already picture it

[spice bramble]

This Battlefield looks like any other before it!

Like no shit

Some people dont understand what a franchise is

[tepid plinth]

it's so glitchy, laggy and has untextured assets, this is nowhere ready for launch!

[fiery shoal]

If it looks like the old ones its a good thing

[spice bramble]

BF2042 is kinda old now

[fiery shoal]

we don't talk about 2042

[digital radish]

A BF BR after giving Verdansk some time to die out after the honey moon faze has some potential to be successful if they do good updates, esp if its free

[wicked frost]

I tried to play 2042 again nah i can’t

[golden vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/850376380822323230/923899875639304232/spinthedontbesadcube.gif

[fiery shoal]

maybe they should not spread themselves out doing dying gamemodes like BR and focus on what the players actually want

a real battlefield game

[past furnace]

Would prefer a multiplayer with the 24 maps we used to get, instead of them wasting time on a BR. IMO. 🙏

[feral garden]

BR is FAR from dying. the BRs that are dying are those trying to make their BR game...not a BR game

[floral wraith]

Id like to see harvest day come back

[digital radish]

Agree, it would be nice to have both but I would much rather them focus on MP than a BR for now

[fiery shoal]

BR is stale and boring

[tepid plinth]

although warzone was successful because it wasn't as BR of a BR though wasn't it? With loadouts reducing the randomness factor, contracts giving you targets to raise the pacing etc

[floral wraith]

BR is dying off

[fiery shoal]

OG Warzone was fun for a little while

[feral garden]

No it isnt lol

[covert nest]

They just need to dedicate a dev team to making the battle royale while the main team works on all out warfare.

Oh wait...

[fiery shoal]

then meta minmaxing happened and everything was ruined

[feral garden]

Pubg has been gaining players for the last 2 years. 9 years into its life.

[tepid plinth]

goodness that's crazy

[spice bramble]

Hopefully the BR is unique in its own way

[floral wraith]

That's also counting bots fyi

[digital radish]

An Evergreen game, insane

[feral garden]

No, it isnt lmao...thats steam chart of actual users

[fiery shoal]

Bro is gonna die on the BR hill

[rotund pier]

Pubg was only good for it’s first year

[golden vortex]

dying off is pushing it too far, but like most things, it peaks and then settles a bit

[rotund pier]

Same as warzone

[deep mica]

i ve played a lot of pubg on pc

[rotund pier]

It’s crazy to me how they make something good then ruin it over time

[spice bramble]

Its the new BRs that are dying really

[deep mica]

game has hackers in every game

[floral wraith]

Pubg isn't fun got bored of BR was fun when it first came out

[deep mica]

i enjoy its slow pace, but you get gunned down without recoil by a squad in a car going 500 kmph

[young jetty]

Facts, but you know EA wants that money 💵, and tbh Warzone is so garbage rn so that would be the perfect opportunity to bring new players in.

[deep mica]

and u check replay and they are 99% hacking

[digital radish]

Warzone is garbage because of Demonware matchmaking and Activitions hunger for money, along with a dollar store anti cheat

[floral wraith]

I miss the old school hack tools of punkbuster etc

Anti*

[full lagoon]

PB hated my Anti-Virus and always kicked me midway through a game

[spice bramble]

Tbh, bringing a bunch of CODers might be the last thing this game needs

[full lagoon]

I couldnt play 2142 unless I turned it off

I miss the Reisling Walker sfm

Dice need to add walkers to 2042 for April 1st but make them iddy biddy

[fiery shoal]

All I want is to relive the glory days of BC2, BF3, BF4 in a modern package without being force fed a bunch of industry slop that nobody ever asked for in BF like neon skins, BR, season passes, blah blah blah

[mossy marten]

[fiery shoal]

screw the shareholders

[young jetty]

If the BR flops then yeah, but it’s apparently going to be F2P this time (thank god) so we gotta wait and see what happens.

[full lagoon]

Unpopular opinion: I genuinely do not care about "unrealistic" stuff in an arcade shooter..

Bring me those Femboy skins

[spice bramble]

As far as BR goes, it can go whatever fucking way

[full lagoon]

XD

[mossy marten]

Bro's about to summon the realism people

[spice bramble]

They should make money on Br skins and keep base game grounded

[fiery shoal]

those may be the one acceptable neon skin xD

[full lagoon]

I want chrome gun camo's and proper soldier customisation like BFV had

[sinful stump]

I feel like MW2019 had a good balance of tacticool and goofy stuff

[full lagoon]

I would prefer the movement of 2042 as it makes gunplay frenetic and fun

As long as Dolphin diving isnt making a return idc

[sinful stump]

Well that’s definitely not coming back, did you see the leaks?

[feral garden]

Combat is slower than 2042 it seems. and combat dive/crouch running are back

[full lagoon]

I did see the ""leaks"_

Fail.jpeg

"Leaks"

[young jetty]

That what I was saying as well keep the skins in the BR and leave that shit in the base game.

[fiery shoal]

a more modern movement system is inevitable

[feral garden]

Or in this case, an old movement system

[sinful stump]

2042 movement is smooth, but it is very cod like

[fiery shoal]

thats the type of modernization that should be expected

[full lagoon]

Just please dont make it like super fast TTK because it will encourage camping, like in MW2019

[jade path]

agree, too much cod tbh

[mossy marten]

There is a slide jump

And a jump into a slide

[jade path]

hardcore mode... 🙂

[sinful stump]

Tbh I feel like all bf games have fast ttk

[tepid plinth]

haven't heard any discussions about the extent of movement in this, which is ironic given this test is about movement

[spice bramble]

Are mods still strict on leaks?

[fiery shoal]

I don't mind fast movement, thats one of my favorite parts about modern COD, but when its TOO fast and everyone is running around like a kid who just drank 3 redbulls thats when we have a problem

[full lagoon]

I just like the movement in 2042 because if you know how to use advanced movement techniques you can LITERALLY run circles around players. I like the high skill ceilings and the desire to improve. If I wanted to play Tarkov + COD I'd play BO6 D:

[mossy marten]

Because the player playing could barely use their joysticks

[full lagoon]

Hardcore is ick - No offense

[young jetty]

BF4 movement should be the focus

[fiery shoal]

I'd imagine so, they are still leaks and not "publicly available" gameplay

[golden vortex]

Always assume that they are

[spice bramble]

I see people mention them, more or less, and no reprocussions

[fiery shoal]

I think mentioning is one thing

[spice bramble]

I have a remark on the movement but I'll pass

[fiery shoal]

posting a link or video/photo is definitely a no go

[jade path]

why? I prefer the need of aiming instead of "tracking" down

[sinful stump]

I don’t think ppl want vouzou back lol

[full lagoon]

I think the "leaks" arent legit leaks, I feel as though they're just a marketing hype train by EA - If you sign the NDA and leak stuff and get caught EA have you by the short and curlies..

[fleet robin]

nope they added a rule to allow leaks discussion

just don't post anything

[fleet robin]

they wouldn't waste time faking leaks when plenty of players are willing to do it for free

[tepid plinth]

and don't post anything that's just theory

[feral garden]

Yeah, no image or media posting of leaks is allowed. and no theories based on glimpses...if their wording is how I understand it

[spice bramble]

I watched a Polish youtuber who said he got information directly from a playtester. Apparently there's no slide.

[tepid plinth]

which I do feel conflicts with the NDA rules, so what do people do who have played it? Sit back and watch others discuss it?

[full lagoon]

Hardcore promotes campy playstyles and is inherently low skill because it doesnt require effort to kill, 1-2 bullets isnt "realistic" - it promotes lazy playstyles and low skill meta. Just mount on an angle and melt players, "normal" means you can fight back if you need too, and gives you an incentive to push players on angles.

[spice bramble]

Itz just crouch running that looks lkke a slide sometimss

[sinful stump]

I saw a slide in the leaks tho

[spice bramble]

really

[full lagoon]

Yay ❤️

[sinful stump]

It didn’t look too fast though

It reminded me of the mw2 2022 slide

[fiery shoal]

hardcore is for low skill, old head vet's trying to relive their glory days, and camo grinding in cod

[tepid plinth]

this is where we need to play it before criticising, sounds like nobody there playing would even know what an air strafe is

[spice bramble]

Yay ❤️

[young jetty]

BF4 movement is goated

[spice bramble]

dude

remove the exploitable mechanics and its basic

[sinful stump]

Idk if you played xdefiant but air strafing in that game was fun as hell

[full lagoon]

An NDA doesnt bar you from discussing information with others under the same NDA - It is supposed to stop you sharing information. Even if you shared informationg that was "leaked" you could be sued. Jackfrags asked his community once if they liked the idea of playing 128 player modes, after having tested it and knew it was coming, but at the time was rumoured. that isnt a leak its carefully worded qwuestion 🙂

I have played BF games since I was like 12.. (1942)
I would give my ability to sire offspring to take park in any playtesting.
literally

part*

[spice bramble]

Id have to play on super low settings

[full lagoon]

I also wouldnt leak anything 💀
I'd be happy to just help shape a game I've loved since I was unable to sire offspring lol

[young jetty]

It’s been that long? 😢

[full lagoon]

I'm 38 this year 💀

[sinful stump]

Man y’all some boomers in here

(I started with bf2)

[jade path]

guess you played the old novalogics as well? 😄

[full lagoon]

Is that the modern combat one?

On xbawx

gotta say never played that one

Played a metric crap tonne of Sandbox Mod with the Sir Community for BF2 though, that was fun

[young jetty]

Started with BC2
(Arguably one of my top 3 battlefield games)

[full lagoon]

2142 was my fave just because it had MECHS

[rapid girder]

I was watching lvl cap that someone leaked the pov of what are they working. anyone knows about it?

[full lagoon]

I liked the recons stealth camo idea too

[full lagoon]

Nice try FBI 👀

[rapid girder]

Lmao 🤣

[full lagoon]

Why dont I take a seat huh?

[rapid girder]

I’m just asking I know it’s secret hopefully they reveal something later this year

[full lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-hansen-have-a-seat-i-have-a-question-for-you-gif-16817636

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[feral garden]

Its kind of sad that classic BF creators like LevelCap, Xfactor and Doom49s channels are so dead.

[fleet robin]

the consequences of focusing your channel on one franchise

same thing happened with cod youtubers

[young jetty]

Most likely in early may then in June probably in the Xbox showcase or the summer games fest event we get campaign gameplay which we never got since BF4.

[feral garden]

I used to watch all of them all the time, but Dooms latest video has 0 views 😄

[rapid girder]

Honestly they are I used to watch him all the time now I hardly do

[digital radish]

OneCheesyMofo

[fleet robin]

ouch

[covert nest]

I remember cha boy and then I just got tired of the same format.

[sinful stump]

Cod is weird because player charts show it’s still on top, but content views seem to be down

[feral garden]

COD is far from top these days

[digital radish]

Also don't forget that CoD HQ incl MWII, MWIII, BO6, WZ, DMZ, etc in that total number

[feral garden]

71k peak across all COD games on steam

[tepid plinth]

reminded me a lot of bf4. Really liked it. Barring the abilities and gadgets

[fleet robin]

banned

[full lagoon]

LOL

nuuu

didnt happen

[sinful stump]

It’s basically always top 2 on console charts

[covert nest]

I really only watch ravic crafter and flakfire when it comes to battlefield stuff.

[young jetty]

COD HQ

[sinful stump]

Many pc ppl are still on battle net

[covert nest]

And I don't actively seek out battlefield content.

[full lagoon]

Flakfire has a sexy voice fr fr

[feral garden]

Why would they be?

[full lagoon]

Ravic is cool, but I prefer Fedge hes funny af

[fleet robin]

wow you weren't kidding, it's just sad to see

[tepid plinth]

I've got a 200 video big collection of high kill / skill matches but haven't watched any channel that isn't an aimer for a good few years

[full lagoon]

Doom49 used to be the GOAT at testing random crap but I feel he's fallen off a bit D:

[fleet robin]

a bit is an understatement

channel is almost dead

[full lagoon]

Everyone just plays COD

[feral garden]

Steam average players would also be indicitive of an overall decline in CODs player base, even on console. From 170K in November 2024, to 50K now.

[full lagoon]

Even STODEH doesnt main BF anymore

[cyan swallow]

Considering Levelcap and JackFrags made videos about the leaks I’m gonna assume the whole thing is intentional by EA

[full lagoon]

Only streamer ik that plays BF regularly is SquidG

[fleet robin]

or they're just reporting on leaks like every other content creator

[digital radish]

TheBrokenMachine was cool but I think he went to WZ

[fleet robin]

why does everything have to be some conspiracy planned by ea

[young jetty]

Jack is gonna shill the hell out of the next bf 😂

[full lagoon]

I love how Lcap did lego content and is making his own game, also love how he only makes vids on games he actually likes. Instead of just jumping from one popular title or another like Jfrags, Stodeh and others

[feral garden]

EA is clearly allowing discussion of the leaks. Better to have these things talked about in the daylight, than have wild theories and ideas form in the shadows. One of those worst kept secret cases

[cyan swallow]

If it was genuine wouldn’t they have marching orders not to touch it with a twenty foot pole

[fleet robin]

no not really

[full lagoon]

I would still shit my pants if I saw Stodehlol in a game I was in on anything though..

[fleet robin]

they just know it's inevitable and trying to hide the leaks will do more harm than good. They also probably don't mind since the general opinion is positive

[full lagoon]

Same for Ravic, fuck if it was Ravic I'd uninstall the game O_O

[feral garden]

EA arent creative enough to plan a leak like this, they are just making the best of the situation...which is also helped by the mostly positive reaction

[full lagoon]

mf regularly goes double/triple digits and singular digit deaths.. I aint messin with Cthulu

[sinful stump]

Idk if you pay attention to Circana charts but cod or Fortnite is basically always number one on console

[tepid plinth]

did actually play against him once in bf4, was a fun fight!

[long dock]

Flakfires voice sound like text to speech

[feral garden]

Im not saying cod is dead...im just saying their numbers are WAY down

[digital radish]

They are def way down

Glad to see it, deserved

[feral garden]

they hit the verdansk button for WZ.

[digital radish]

[full lagoon]

The leaks seem too regular and showcase things players care about. I think the "leakers" are just doing the bidding of EA, if you sign an NDA, you're liable to be sued, this is EA - You sign up with your IRL info - You take ID with you to playtests 👀

[sinful stump]

[feral garden]

And their trailer is trying to bait people into believing they have any kind of military aesthetic

[full lagoon]

If the contract states you have to leak stuff you're obliged to do so lol

[feral garden]

Next week...TMNT bundle part 2

[full lagoon]

XD

TMNT is overrated, where my Outlaw Star or DBZ Skins D:

[digital radish]

[full lagoon]

Hell, wheres Mighty Max or Thunderbirds!

[digital radish]

Pretty sure CoD has a finishing move of a Unicorn farting

[feral garden]

Dont get me wrong, the skins look dope...but like...WTF has COD become?

[full lagoon]

Money

Its become capitalism

I have amazon video, but if I pay a lil bit more, I get no ads...

Charging you more for less

[tepid plinth]

I don't play nor care to watch it but i saw the thumbnail and knew exactly what they were doing lmao

[full lagoon]

If we lived on a space station we'd get charged for Air and the quality of the Air

"For only $9.99 get unlimited access to AIR, but for $12.99 we'll filter it, and for $24.99 We'll cool it and give it a fresh pine scent!"

[feral garden]

39.99 for AIR PREMIUM

😛

[full lagoon]

XD

VIP Air Access for an annual fee of 499.95

[sinful stump]

They wanna compete with Fortnite but cod has a lot of boomers like battlefield

[full lagoon]

"boomers" lol

[sinful stump]

Hence the tmnt skins

[full lagoon]

Back in my day

we had to walk 15miles from spawn

[digital radish]

Lets not forget CoD skins become useless when the next CoD comes out, 12 months later

[full lagoon]

bruuhh ikr

[sinful stump]

Facts

[grave garden]

DICE

ADD GYRO AIM AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[fleet robin]

external playtests aren't that serious, breach of nda will get your account banned at most. There's no reason to fake these leaks

if you saw how many people were leaking emails before the playtest even started you'd get what i mean, these people are stupid enough lol

[covert nest]

I don't think battlefield will get as absurd as cod.

The most absurd i can think of is probably zains secret agent skin.

[cedar flax]

Pre-Alpha looks amazing, love the graphics. You can tell it’s gonna go in a good direction. Place holder audios are obvious, other than that I’d like to suggest adding an option for turning off multiple things that are audible and visual, (could be beating a ded horse here), but hopefully the vehicles will sound more epic and sounds such as battles will be bassy and you can push up with them, making them seem more like a moving fortress instead of a tin can

The labs map in certain spots is narrow, with a friendly tank providing moving cover, it would be a cool addition

[wispy dagger]

Battlefield has pretty much always had a “war tapes” audio. I also think the sound design of battlefield has always been one of its strongest features

Hopefully that continues

[sinful stump]

Battlefield is one of the few big map games with good directional audio

[cedar flax]

Oh yeah 100% I only play war tapes, I’m mainly talking about some of the screaming I heard in the play tests, I understand it’s a placeholder audio, but if it’s going to be the same thing in release I’d much rather not have that

It’s a personal preference, but if it’s in the minority it’s chill, just thought it would be a cool option maybe

I just love bf, been playing since bc I just wanna have fun again

Idk how often devs or leaders look at the discord for ideas or feedback, I just joined like 20 mins ago, but if they do I think they’ll do good with the game

[twin fractal]

Thinking about the class perks, they seem a bit overpowered in their potency, which makes me hope that DICE will balance them in one of two ways
They either reduce the potency
or make the xp pacing to activating them pretty slow so they don't show up until like a third or even half the match has passed to start spicing up the momentum and tactics

[brisk musk]

Hello hope your well , is there info on when we can play early access yet?

[wispy dagger]

Yes

The channel battlefield blogs

Read them and the announcements from dice

[fleet robin]

it's a playtest, you have to sign up on the playtesting website and wait for an email

[brisk musk]

Okies thanks 😊

[heady thorn]

[twin fractal]

chances are you got selected to test a different EA game, all the Battlefield labs tests are being done remotely

[fleet robin]

this is strictly confidential

read the whole email

[molten roost]

Doh... Didn't see that at bottom. Apologies

[fleet robin]

no worries

[rotund pier]

wait does anyone know if classes are ACTUALLY back?
like, are guns locked behind classes or do they all have access to all weapons

because that'd suck ass

[limpid sluice]

We don’t know anything yet for sure but if they reintroduce them, it would seem entirely possible for them to also add the class specific equipment

[rotund pier]

I just don't see the point of the "class system" if everyone can use whatever they want

the problem now is what class of weapon do you give each class since they got rid of the assault?

You could give each class access to shotguns and DMRs
but what class specific do you give each class?
Recon, bolt actions of course
Support, lmgs
but what about the other two? giving the smg to the ones in charge of destroying vehicles seem like the logical choice, but then maybe the assault class would be too broken with the assault rifles?

[covert nest]

Perks and well defined roles with their gadgets.

Assault is fine with assault rifles. It's their job.

[rotund pier]

I just think it should be a slight rock, paper, scissors balance

[limpid sluice]

BF3 had all classes able to equip shotguns and smgs

[rotund pier]

like "oh that's an engineer, I know he has shorter range weapons so I'll stay further away and shoot him from here"

[covert nest]

To be honest smgs should just be all kit.

[rotund pier]

maybe just what bf4 did

[covert nest]

Plus that's literally how controlling your own ranged engagements works. To control the engagements you're fighting in.

People kill indiscriminately anyways

[rotund pier]

yeah but I just like knowing what the class will most likely have

like I think that's what made bf3 and 4 so appealing to me

everyone had a role to play

I'd also like team restricted weapons but that could get overpowered real quick

[limpid sluice]

Still you could be sniped by a support with a scoped spas shooting slugs

[rotund pier]

unless you made them statistically the same but visually different

[limpid sluice]

Don’t forget snipers running m5k‘s

[wispy dagger]

I like shotguns and dmrs being all classes

[minor linden]

DMRs have to be either all-class or support

[wispy dagger]

I do hope not every weapons accessible to everyone

[rotund pier]

idk I just remember everyone running around as an assault with the m16e3

[minor linden]

No other class fits the niche

[rotund pier]

and the LVG

yeah DMRs should be all class

but again, I think what made Battlefield special is the classes

ACTUAL classes and not whatever shit they are thinking of doing that we got in 2042

I mean that and the vehicles combat and destruction...

but still

[unique hollow]

I enjoyed the operations in bf1

Idk there are a few things that make bf what it is. It’s not just classes imo.

[minor linden]

You can claim a lot of stuff makes bf what it is

Tho, a lot of what people say are basic features; not what actually makes the game

What makes the game is basically just what you'd put in the game tags or description

[oak condor]

i have to keep reminding people that bf2 was just clunky and not some kind of proto-arma or red orchestra so my brain just turns off when i hear about what bf is "supposed to be"

[rotund pier]

Never played anything before bc2

[oak condor]

it's got more in common with bf3+ in terms of weapon mechanics than whatever random milsim comparisons people try to dredge up

even had dolphin diving at one point :huzzah:

it's a holdover from the old style of CoD hate that people try to pretend bf was never arcadey

or serious nostalgia blinders, idk

[pulsar shard]

BF2 dolphin dive was actually prone exploit bug which people abused and later on they fixed it

same thing happend with the BF4 but in BF4 they never fixed the exploit movement mechanics because they were to busy creating the BF1

[open elm]

غغغغ

[manic gate]

The people buy it in droves

So you can't blame em

[timid needle]

turtle power!

[mossy marten]

[timid needle]

dumb af is what it is, hi lets be a giant turtle hit me im right here!!

bring back oddjob 007 😆

[silent tendon]

Does anyone know if being in the skate. Alpha affects your chances of getting into the bf labs alpha?

[mossy marten]

No

[silent tendon]

sick

[bright depot]

Hi, people from Portugal?

https://tenor.com/view/portugal-gif-1392604958561450765

[icy maple]

do you guys think they should add a counter too ppl staying on menus for vehicle spawns? Like needing to have a certain amount of objectives capped

[rancid seal]

Vfc preach

[oak condor]

adding a battlefront 2 (2005) style mechanic where you only get offered vehicles based on score would be bad for playability but really funny

make people play the game before they can spawn a vehicle

[rancid seal]

I wouldn't mind it

[icy maple]

sure thatd work too, but i was talking abt objs for the team

ig its the same tbh

[oak condor]

capture score doesnt mean anything, its just a count of how many times you were standing in the general area

there's no count for offensive kills or anything like that

[covert nest]

I did like how on bf5 you would get an additional 150 points for offensive kills and 200 for defensive.

[icy maple]

actually they should do that and make a pts system requirement for orher stuff too

[icy maple]

yes that was a good balance feature

[covert nest]

Wasn't balance. It was just a good incentive.

[oak condor]

now that i think about it i'm 100% behind it, only allow vehicle spawns if you pass a certain score threshold as infantry

preferably kills but whatever im not picky

rising storm/red orchestra had a problem where only the worst players would pick the limited slot specialized classes and grief the shit out of their team

[winged cypress]

In a short time we will play the new battlefield

[minor linden]

That would make larger maps terrible to play at the start. Imagine Golmud railway but you have to either run to the first objective or wait to spawn on the first objective. Could be a bit better if jeeps are free, but imo the vehicle chaos of the first few minutes of a game are amazing.

Also, it would have to be points or something besides for kills as it is too assault-leaning. Why should the medic get punished for doing his job?

[oak condor]

because its a first person shooter above all else

[minor linden]

It’s a class-based shooter

Why should someone be punished for doing the thing their class is meant to do in a class-based shooter.

[oak condor]

medics get some of the best guns in the franchise idk what the issue is

[minor linden]

That depends on the game, but making it solely based on kills means that people who actually use medic as a medic will never get to play in vehicles

Points is a much better choice as it is equal for everyone

[oak condor]

if you cant get kills why would the game offer you a tank?

[minor linden]

Because why not. Vehicles should not be rewards for people who are already doing good kill-wise

It’s more important to make sure everyone can have fun rather than make sure only the people with a lot of kills can have fun

[oak condor]

if it griefs the other 31 people on your team then its a net negative decision

putting an incapable player in a force multiplier is a grief decision

[minor linden]

Griefing will be there no matter what

People will just grind for a few minutes and take the vehicles to grief anyways

[oak condor]

if it's so easy to cheese the score system then you should have no issue

[minor linden]

I don’t think I would have an issue since I play offensively. However, a lot of people would.

Also, Kills aren’t even important in Bf. Capture points are. Why would one of the most influential systems be limited behind something that doesn’t matter

[oak condor]

standing in a flag circle is a bot activity enabled by the people who get offensive kills

[minor linden]

Points just make more sense. Kills still give you a ton of points so offensive players would be able to get vehicles a lot. It just wouldn’t completely lock entire playstyles out of vehicles

Kill-based vehicles have the same issue as sbmm: It makes everything competitive. It means that if you want a vehicle you have to sweat your ass off so you can be the first. This is not good for a casual game like bf

[oak condor]

sorry man, if there was a big medkit tractor we could give it to the people who spam medkits, the giant gun on treads goes to the people who prove they can get kills

it's an incentive to get better at the game

(first person shooter)

[minor linden]

I swear, everyone is so involved with “getting better at the game” they forget that games are made to be fun. Bf is a casual game. People don’t want to get home from their job and have to sweat just to play the playstyle they like. Restricting full-on playstyles to kills just makes it even sweatier and less fun for the normal players

[oak condor]

that would be a great mindset to have if you didn't pick a multiplayer-only pvp-only shooter

[young jetty]

I hope we get some campaign footage soon, hopefully at summer game fest or the PlayStation showcase or even the Xbox Showcase.

[minor linden]

Just because it’s a mp PvP game doesn’t mean it’s supposed to be a sweaty nightmare for casuals. Even CoD used to be casual in normal lobbies with the sweat fests being called ranked.

Recent games that have destroyed all sense of casual so much that people only see shooters as stat grinders to show off with

[oak condor]

"casual" means mixed skill levels not guaranteed shitter protection

it was like that in the older games you love so much

people still found time to be good it was just less common before SBMM games turned up the pressure

[minor linden]

Yeah? Mixed skill levels also includes people of all skill levels having access to the whole game. Limiting parts of the game based on skill isn’t casual

[magic garden]

Out of curiosity is this a thing where they are only having a set amount of people or are they slowly rolling out codes for other people who signed up aswell?

[minor linden]

They’re slowly inviting more people as time goes on

[magic garden]

Ahh cool appreciate it lowkey thought i missed out because i signed up a little later then I wanted to

[sinful stump]

That dude has the worst takes I’ve ever seen and I’m a sweat

One of battlefields virtues is that everyone can feel like they contribute to the team even if they’re not cracked out on g fuel

Taking that away would actually kill the game

[proud pawn]

they should get rid of official servers and go back to 3rd party server providers and let the community run the servers, that gets rid of sbmm

[sinful stump]

Battlefield has never had sbmm though

[proud pawn]

it has since they released the official servers

bf1- present has had some form of it when you clicked on quick play

2042 has it

[sinful stump]

That’s just basic matchmaking with team balancing

[proud pawn]

it also takes the persons skill into account

spm and kpm

[sinful stump]

Yeah to place you on a team not to compose your lobby

Big difference

[proud pawn]

no

i get sweaty lobbies in every game I play that has some form of sbmm

whether its cod, delta force, or battlefield

[sinful stump]

Define sweat

There’s 64 players, a few are gonna be good

Also every bf game is a couple years old now

[proud pawn]

even on release

i average about 100-150 kills a game

when i really try

[sinful stump]

And somehow you’re not a sweat?

Cognitive dissonance

[proud pawn]

because I have to try to get a win

most people I play against average the same amount

[sinful stump]

Again 64 players or even 128

[proud pawn]

sometimes top 10 have 100+ kills

i get stuck on teams sometimes that seem like they are bots

[sinful stump]

Yeah cause they farm infantry in a helicopter or a tank

No way they’re dropping 100 on foot

[proud pawn]

i drop 100 on foot regularly

[sinful stump]

On redacted sure I believe you

[proud pawn]

on all of them lol

[sinful stump]

Post your stats then

[proud pawn]

im good

[sinful stump]

I doubt it

[proud pawn]

wont let me post it

[visual crypt]

Hey whats up, hey is the playtest invitation via email ?

[signal pier]

Any hope of getting an invite this week?

[feral garden]

Its entirely random, and we have no info on when new invite waves will go out.

Realistically we have no way to know.

[next hatch]

Can u slide like in BF2042?

[feral garden]

No clue

[versed token]

Probably

[half halo]

Same

[shadow cargo]

I think i saw a player slide

But it didnt look like it was the call of duty inspired arcady slide

[tepid plinth]

I hope it’s a 2042 style slide

Just really hoping this next game delivers. Been starved of a good shooter for so long now

[grizzled stirrup]

How to play test?

[tepid plinth]

Sign up on the bf labs site, then wait patiently

Acceptance isn’t guaranteed

[grizzled stirrup]

Ok ty

[half halo]

This guy definitely labs

[tepid plinth]

I lab every day

Keeps the legs fit

[raw garnet]

Ok Walter

[high plume]

So has testing started?

[covert nest]

I think the first test has ended.

I feel like more would have been leaked no?

I don't think we can ask and expect an answer anyways.

[weary lake]

Awesome, found it. Thanks! I can get down with that kind of leaning. It’s more like mounting in COD I guess. I do like a manual lean but can see how it could causes some issues.

[tepid plinth]

It’s also been specifically confirmed in the movement log total posted

[covert nest]

Manual leaning spam like no

[merry ermine]

If I had to pick, I'd rather lean spam than slide spam though. Nothing is stranger than watching someone slide 10 meters uphill over rock filled grass

[vague grove]

All they have to do is make it so sliding loses momentum.

Like it did in 1.

And maybe disable it when going up stairs, if that's possible

[merry ermine]

Yeah I can get behind sliding as long as it's not really possible uphill, up stairs, and unless you're laying out to steal second base you only travel 1-2 meters maybe

[versed token]

Why even have it if you gimp it that hard

[tepid plinth]

I’d rather slide, cause fighting someone who is sliding is more interesting than someone who leans

[merry ermine]

Sliding done right is fine

But like what are those kneepads made of that sliding takes you so far and up over garbage on the floor lol

[tepid plinth]

Magic ones

With little roller skates in them

[merry ermine]

I do agree lean spam is annoying though. I like the proximity based lean at corners

[mossy marten]

Heelys, but for knees

[merry ermine]

Lolol

[mossy marten]

Kneelys

[merry ermine]

We did it everyone

[tepid plinth]

Best way to do it definitely

[merry ermine]

Good job

[tepid plinth]

Although I never use auto lean anyways

[merry ermine]

Yeah it's goofy for sure someone walking down the street while leaned for no reason except hitbox

[tepid plinth]

I don’t even really care if it does look goofy, it’s just not fun to use or fight against

[covert nest]

I feel like black ops 6 leaning would be better.

It's not leaning but it's super nice to have.

[tepid plinth]

like GR breakpoint in a way

[mossy marten]

i don't like bo6 auto/contextual/whatever leaning, it's weird, and janky lol

[sinful stump]

Yeah it’s purely visual right? I just turn it off

[summer haven]

I really like the leaked videos. I have that BF3/BF4 sort of vibe. What it looks like in the video that all weapons are open to all classes. I hope this is not the case. Weapons should be class locked, which always been a core part of BF. It prevents casual loadouts. It reinforces class identity and boosts team play. It keeps BF away from being a hero shooter. If you
Keep trying to please everyone then no one is happy.

[tepid plinth]

If anything the lack of weapon restrictions make it’s less like a hero shooter

[opal yoke]

wondering if the faction visuals we see in the tests are final or just placeholder, I imagine they might be placeholder but still, how much could they possibly change till release

I also wonder if it's final that NATO and this pmc will be the only factions

[feral garden]

Maybe placeholder. The class sillouettes didnt look easily recognizable to me.

[opal yoke]

likewise

I liked the visuals of NATO but the pmcs are meh imo

way too western

I also hope NATO will have country-based customization since, well, NATO

[vague barn]

The PMCs look a bit too "bare" if you understand what I mean?

[opal yoke]

bare generic rich western pmc

like konni if they were western

[feral garden]

I'd also prefer class locked weapons tho. Class identity through gear.

[half halo]

Yes

[opal yoke]

oh damn they're still unlocked?

[vague barn]

I like the British characters though. Osprey kit my beloved.

[feral garden]

So far, but could be to encourage easy play testing.

[tepid plinth]

I really do hope they stick with class locked weapons

[opal yoke]

yeah the NATO guys look great

[acoustic smelt]

guys how do you know if you got in the pre alpha?

only email?

[opal yoke]

yeah

[half halo]

Having classd Locked Weapons and class-based visual identity helps a lot when identifying targets

[acoustic smelt]

also do you know how many people got invited

or when the next playtest gon be up

[tepid plinth]

It’s got pros and cons of course, but having locked weapons just gives each one so much character

[vague barn]

Absolutely agree, it'd go a long way to encouraging more variety in classes.

[half halo]

May it be to spot assaults and supports as a vehicle, or medics as Infantry, etc.

[half halo]

No

[tepid plinth]

Last I heard about 1.7 million signed up, a few thousand got access based on estimations from their initial blog post about the tests

[half halo]

And no

[opal yoke]

the other thing about the pmc is that they had western vehicles, a leopard 2 and cv90 if I recall, I'm REALLY hoping those are placeholder

[half halo]

Why though? The other Teams got Abrams and Bradley

[opal yoke]

my biggest gripe with 2042 was that the factions had absolutely no identity, and it's leaning towards that again even if they're actual different factions with different models, it's like a western civil war

[feral garden]

I'm fine with whatever they use. Better than Abrams vs T80/90 for the 100th time.

[opal yoke]

guh

[opal yoke]

idk man

[opal yoke]

guess we're getting the US-Euro split war

[half halo]

While I love the T90 style, I agree that it's a breath of fresh air to play New vehicles

[vague barn]

I don't particularly care about what vehicles are used for the PMC provided they're visually distinct from NATO.

[half halo]

Now give me a Rafale or Grippen for a fighter jet and I'm sold

[opal yoke]

I understand but I also want it to make some sense

[vague barn]

GRIPEN MENTIONED

[feral garden]

Logically it does seem off for European vehicles to not be used by the heavily EU dominated faction. But I'll wait and see what they do, or how they explain things.

[half halo]

[opal yoke]

I am just hoping it's a placeholder

[half halo]

Yeah Let's nor forget this game has a campaign

We will see what's up when the time comes

[opal yoke]

because NATO fighting a faction that has NATO vehicles is stupid

[vague barn]

🇸🇪 SVEA RIKE 🇸🇪 LEVE KONUNGEN OCH FÄDERNESLANDET 🇸🇪 GÖR ÖSTERSJÖN TILL INSJÖ 🇸🇪 STORMAKTEN SVERIGE DEL 2 🇸🇪

[opal yoke]

give the leopards and cv90 to NATO

[half halo]

Well maybe NATO doesn't exist anymore in the game

[feral garden]

The Leopard they were using does look kinda goofy tho haha

[opal yoke]

its literally one of the factions

[half halo]

[vague barn]

Yeah, the Leopard 2 Evolution. Looks kinda funny, doesn't it?

[half halo]

That bait is old as Time eheh

[opal yoke]

its the evolution package

[feral garden]

I think it's the big rear vents.

[vague grove]

Arm the mercs with Chinese vehicles or something, those guys will sell to anyone

Also who the hell is stupid enough to take a swing at NATO with a private corporation

[half halo]

But the game won't sell in China

[opal yoke]

yeah like, I get wanting visually distinct vehicles that we haven't seen before but like, we're kinda limited for it to make sense

and rn it doesn't make sense, unless the pmc is comprised of Eastern Europeans that just stole NATO equipment from those countries

[vague barn]

I'm just happy to see a CV90 that doesn't have a railgun 😭

[opal yoke]

trvke

[vague grove]

You say that, but BF4 is still super popular in China because they're starving for representation there

[feral garden]

Didn't we see the name of the PMC tho. I'd guess they are a faction similar to PAC.

[opal yoke]

pax armata I guess

idk why didn't they just

make

CSAT or something

and then have like

different sub-factions locked to different maps

so on one map we get US vehicles for NATO and chinese vehicles for the other faction, on another map we get Euro vehicles vs russian vehicles and shit like that

[feral garden]

For all we know, this is the case.

[vague barn]

We've literally only seen one map thus far.

[feral garden]

We have only seen clips and gameplay of 1 map

[opal yoke]

true and it is like pre-pre alpha shit so 99% of it might be placeholder

[vague barn]

I harbor severe doubts that the Brits will be the only faction from NATO to be represented in-game. Like, extreme doubts. I doubt it more than I doubt the existence of a higher power.

[opal yoke]

yeah

[vague barn]

And I really, really doubt the existence of a higher power.

[opal yoke]

like my hopes are faction-based customization or map-locked factions

I wanna slap a bulgarian patch on my shoulder and shit like that

[feral garden]

So it might be multiple factions against an opposing force varying map to map.

[opal yoke]

possible

[vague barn]

NATO Response Force vs. 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment (US Army OPFOR Wargame Regiment)

[opal yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/warno-get-on-warno-east-germany-warno-gif-10152717480333612244

11th acr mentioned

[opal yoke]

epic embed oppression

[vague barn]

I like 11 ACR purely because they are like the meme regiment of the entire NATO alliance.

[opal yoke]

thanking WARNO for making them more mainstream

[vague barn]

I can't remember if it was 11 ACR or Red Cell that was assigned to infiltrate an airbase to find weaknesses and came back with like the base commander's cigars.

[opal yoke]

lmfaoo

[vague barn]

Okay so it seems it was Red Cell. Didn't do exactly that, but they did some real ninja shit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cell

[vague grove]

I'm just happy to see Modern Brits actually show up for once

[vague barn]

As am I. Rule Britannia and all that.

[vague grove]

I am so tired of US Marines

[vague barn]

Ngl I agree to 100%. US Marines are spotlighted so often they're in risk of getting skin cancer.

[vague grove]

Like shit I'd be happy with the regular Army

[opal yoke]

but yeah back to the faction discussion, ideally I feel like, the ability to change camos like in battlefield 4 should be a no brainer, for NATO have like, the big camos like multicam, flecktarn, CCE, aor 1/2, m90, and then have more niche euro camos like jigsaw, m18, m05 and other shit, for the other faction just give them russian and chinese camo

and multicam because everyone uses multicam

[half halo]

The people? Yes. The government? Absolutely not.

[vague barn]

Exactly, would also give some change-up in terms of vehicles, even if we still only get the US Army. AH-64 Apache and UH-60 Blackhawk instead of AH-1Z Viper and UH-1Y Venom (a fucking HUEY variant).

[opal yoke]

fuck it throw in colored tape too

[vague barn]

M90 MENTIONED

[feral garden]

A story where an eastern backed invasion of Europe, forced NATO forces to the US as it's base of operations could be cool.

That could explain why PMC uses Leopards and NATO uses Abrams and Bradley's.

[vague barn]

🇸🇪 SVEA RIKE 🇸🇪 LEVE KONUNGEN OCH FÄDERNESLANDET 🇸🇪 GÖR ÖSTERSJÖN TILL INSJÖ 🇸🇪 STORMAKTEN SVERIGE DEL 2 🇸🇪

[opal yoke]

ya already know it's gonna be in there since Sverige

[half halo]

BFBC3 confirmed

[opal yoke]

mw2 plot 😭

or more like 3 right

invading the US before they invaded Europe goofy ahh shit

[opal yoke]

scream if you love Sweden

[vague barn]

Yeah, I guess that could be cool to see. Probably also leave the UK untouched since Rule Britannia and Royal Navy 🇬🇧

[vague barn]

I am screaming.

[feral garden]

Basically a modern WW2 Scenario

[opal yoke]

screaming for Finland

[opal yoke]

soo

ww3

[tepid plinth]

can understand wanting more variation. Fighting the same vehicles that the other side have would get dull

[opal yoke]

but done right for once

[vague barn]

SUOMI, VITTU SAATANA PERKELE, JUMALAUTA 🇫🇮

[opal yoke]

truthnuke

[opal yoke]

yeah, like, same style different factions just doesnt sit right

it's all NATO

[vague barn]

Tbf though, we could probably still get a decent bit of variety and new vehicles if they would use assets other than the regular tired-old BMP-2 and shit

[opal yoke]

yeah

give us bumerangs, t-90ms and kurganets and shit

stuff we haven't seen before in a bf game

[vague barn]

BMDs, BTRs, T-80s. Subtle differences, but still something at least somewhat new.

[opal yoke]

too old generally for the theme of the game I feel like

a bmd4 maybe

bumerang, kurganets, t90ms

more modern if still fictional russian shit