battlefield-labs-discussion

[fleet robin]

cosmetic variants solve that

[kindred haven]

you dies so quickly it doesent matter

its a stock bro

[fleet robin]

have you played cod at all?

[mild girder]

But do we need 10+ Stocks with small differences?

[kindred haven]

as long as their is jo full auto fire shooting shootgun i think its gonna be ok

[fleet robin]

some attachments were broken beyond belief and people were minmaxxing the shit out of them because of that

[kindred haven]

ok but that is just a balance issue

[fleet robin]

literally my entire point

[kindred haven]

other games have 100 of attachammets and are doing fine

[fleet robin]

it's not possible have 100 attachments all perfectly balanced

[fleet robin]

such as

[mild girder]

fr, give me a list rn

[kindred haven]

ok want me to count them up?

[fleet robin]

yes actually

[mossy marten]

[fleet robin]

mw2 had MAJOR problems which is why i suggested cosmetic variants in the first place, like bf4 how had it

[mild girder]

And then we dont wanna start with the Bundles that were being sold with OP Builds you dont have to grind for

[kindred haven]

tarkov
dfho this one just came out you can put 6 flashlights on your gun
mw2 people still play dmz to this day but cope more
Sniper elite the newest one
gray zone
all arma games arma reforger has good customization

the thing is, most attachaments dont change ttk values only how the weapon handles, if the attachemnt does something like change ammo type and that ammo type does way more damage then thats a broken aspect but like mw2 hardly had issues with that more so mw2019 with birdshot magnums, all in all the game i invest most time into is like mw2 2022 the game has vast gun customization and the progression makes you wanna level up the gun and make it your own, for me this has to be in the game or else i can just play dfho

[mild girder]

Bro brings tarkov which has horrible balance

lol

💀

[kindred haven]

its an extration military sim

[mild girder]

With horrible Weapon Balance

[kindred haven]

its realistic

[mossy marten]

Delta Force isn't balanced all that much either with attachments
Everyone runs the same loadout 90% of the time

[kindred haven]

cope harder

[mild girder]

You are dumb

[kindred haven]

good argument

lets hear some more

[mild girder]

Tarkov aint a Hardcore Sim

[kindred haven]

IT IS

[mild girder]

[kindred haven]

are you on the zaza rn?

[mild girder]

I wanna see you dont die when trying to walk with a Tank Battery

[kindred haven]

there is bullet penetration system something most shooters dont even have

[mild girder]

This guy is either stupid or a 10/10 Ragebait

cant tell

[kindred haven]

the bullet first penetrates your armor and then your body, thats a simulation aspect

smartest bf discord community member fr

im gone

[mild girder]

pls leave

lol

[mossy marten]

To be honest
Tarkov, Arma, and games that aren't arcade shooters are a bad comparison for attachments/customization

CoD gunsmith is meta min maxing
DF is the same thing

[mild girder]

Preach, my brother

[zenith stirrup]

How is it i seen u in 2 different servers

💀💀

[kindred haven]

just game nees cistomization i dont care about meta weapons i just wanna have fun and a big aspect of that is gun customization, specially in a game like bf, where i really couldnt give less of a shit if im the best on the team cause its a game for a casual audience

the finals is more competitive than bf, and you can do so much bs in that game

[mild girder]

And the Finals is a dead game

[covert nest]

I am curious about the attachment system they have planned.

Err like attachment balance.

[kindred haven]

also if bf stays casual there is a smaller incentive for cheat devs to implement cheats

[covert nest]

That's not how that works.

[mild girder]

fr

Almost all games have cheats, doesnt matter if its casual or not

[covert nest]

There's nothing about the genre of game making cheating relevant it's the people willing to buy cheats for the particular game.

For a cheat maker it's to make money off the success of the game.

[mild girder]

[kindred haven]

it does, certain games cheats devs dont care to implement cheats cause its not financially worth it for them, if there are no stackes to be had then the player in question doesent care about winning, unlike if there is a ranked mode there is a bigger incentive to implement cheats

[mild girder]

Just wanna tell you that there are cheats for Roblox and Minecraft

Kid Games btw

[vague barn]

Let me burst your bubble and mention that there are cheats for theHunter: Call of the Wild and Way of the Hunter.

[kindred haven]

its singleplayer hunting game?

[covert nest]

The genre doesn't matter. The game, the progamme is just a means to the end.

Same with modding. The genre doesn't matter you're making a mod for the game to make it play different. Terraria for example.

[kindred haven]

ok so basically i wanna draw experience from another very simular game dfho, where the game basically has so many cheaters that its unbearable to play

[vague barn]

Yes, they are, singleplayer hunting games with no ability to kill other players at all.

[mild girder]

If people want to make a Cheat for a Game or people are asking for it, they will make them. Doesnt matter if Singleplayer, Multiplayer, Casual, Competitive etc

[fleet robin]

average bf discord argument

[covert nest]

You can cheat on terraria even with dedicated item inventory modifiers.

[kindred haven]

Was about tarkov

[fleet robin]

it's not a good argument in any game

[kindred haven]

dont take my words out of context

[fleet robin]

except maybe arma

[kindred haven]

its ehat the game does, i didnt make the game

its a fact

[fleet robin]

i know exactly what context it was and i'm still telling you it's not a good argument lol

[mild girder]

Didnt knew there were Stims IRL, that would make you lift heavier stuff out of nowhere

[fleet robin]

it has horrible balance

"but it's realistic!"

[kindred haven]

its the same thing

[vague barn]

b-but there's pervitin

[fleet robin]

pretty obviously isn't

[kindred haven]

it is

[fleet robin]

cope i guess

[vague barn]

Don't drag my beloved Arma through the dirt like that.

[kindred haven]

this is where we can argue for hours be ause it is

same with arma dayz and tarkov, all the games have the same controlls and the same movement mechanics

[plain bluff]

combat drugs and stimulants are real, just not as quick acting as in tarkov

[fleet robin]

arma and dayz are basically the same game so idk why you're bringing that up, but tarkov isn't

[vague barn]

There are a thousand other factors than just controls and movement mechanics.

[mild girder]

But not that you can walk/Sprint with a Tank battery

Thats the point

[quick merlin]

isnt tarkov recoil super exaggerated? Or was that patched?

[fleet robin]

it is

[mild girder]

they did it more usable a while ago

[kindred haven]

im not talking about those, because the original argument if you go look up is about gun customization which then went over to armor penetration and then they just started to change subject

[mild girder]

Before that it was insane

[fleet robin]

tarkov is also the game where you can eat 50 bullets while standing

[vague barn]

Then why did you bring up Arma in the first place.

[plain bluff]

sure. such a specific drug doesnt exist. something less potent surely does

[kindred haven]

Because they did?

are we following the conversation?

[fleet robin]

the argument was about attachment balance and you started to bring in realism as if it matters at all

[kindred haven]

we arent even talking about that any,ore

[fleet robin]

we are, idk if you are

[kindred haven]

thats been 10 minutes ago

[mild girder]

You made a list with good balancing, you mention tarkov, i say its not balanced and you bring realism in the discussion

tf you talking about

[sweet flume]

This chat is like watching the special Olympics

[kindred haven]

bro what are you talking about its a simulation

bf is a casual game

[mild girder]

It is NOT a simulation lol

[kindred haven]

it has nothing to do with arma or tarkov

[fleet robin]

so why did you bring up tarkov if it's not comparable

[kindred haven]

it was simply to explain that there are other games that have guncustomization that have a means to balance them

[fleet robin]

and they pointed out that tarkov does not have the means to balance them

[kindred haven]

its a simulation

[mild girder]

Its not

[fleet robin]

and then you kept bringing up realism and simulation, as if that's an excuse for poor balance

[plain bluff]

the only thing tarkov simulates is ballistics.

[mild girder]

fr

[plain bluff]

and at a basic level

[fleet robin]

tarkov isn't a sim and it has a lot of unrealistic mechanics and design choices

guy is just tripping

[kindred haven]

fr tarkov is not a simulation

[mild girder]

Its a Simulator but i keep all the Stuff i keep in my secure Container when i die, i get to live somehow again and still got the container on me

[fleet robin]

alright bro go bait somewhere else

[mild girder]

Realism

wow

[fleet robin]

so realistic

[gaunt jungle]

balance aside, when a game has 100+ attachments what I usually see is players just get choice paralysis and default to whatever setup youtubers show off.

[kindred haven]

its the first line of text that it says on their own website but what do i know

[tribal flame]

Cheaters is one of the reason I hope there won't be forced crossplay. Even if the console envirement is taking a turn here at the moment...

[plain bluff]

literally anything involving human metabolism, especially mechanics revolving around food, water, heat retention and stamina are just arcadey approximations.

[mild girder]

I call myself a doctor, what now

[kindred haven]

i think that the tarkov devs know more about their game than you do

[mild girder]

This guy is something else

[fleet robin]

gt7 calls itself the real driving simulator

developers can say whatever they want about their game

[plain bluff]

you still think that the rendezook is DICEs way of praising and respecting the community?

[gaunt jungle]

Tarkov is definitley trying to be as realistic as possible.
you can argue if its a good simulation or not but thats definitley the goal.

[plain bluff]

clown

[vague barn]

Any game can claim to be a simulator, e.g. Sniper Elite series games, doesn't mean it's true.

[fleet robin]

in some aspects yes, but it's a game first and foremost

[gaunt jungle]

Sort of like how peopls try to argue HLL is not a milsim game when in reality its just a bad milsim game

[gaunt jungle]

You say that as if the two are in conflict.

[kindred haven]

literally

[fleet robin]

they are in conflict in tarkov because it has clearly taken liberties with the realism to allow for better gameplay

and it's absolutely not a simulator no matter what they say

[mossy marten]

[kindred haven]

let it go

go outside breath some fresh air

come back

[plain bluff]

youve literally proven to us you take things said by devs for granted. are you an elaborate AI?

[fleet robin]

wdym let it go we're in the middle of discussing it lmao

if you need air feel free to leave

[mild girder]

Bro ran out of arguments and went for the "go outside"

lol

[kindred haven]

what even are you talking about

[vague barn]

You are an absolute oxygen thief.

[mild girder]

I hope he wont get picked for labs or else the game is ruined

[kindred haven]

the rendezook shown in the bf2042 trailer is to hype up the community by a community made video for bf3 i think, its to celebrate that aspect of the community its literally not that deep

please

go outside

[plain bluff]

excellent way to remove the marketing from the state of the game post launch

[covert nest]

I hope the attachment system in battlefield "6" will just have straight positives instead of just everything having a weakness associated with it. I wonder how the trailers will end up churning out.

The weakness being really you're not using the other attachment.

[kindred haven]

yeah i did that when i gave this comment that was me, you can hate me for that no the devs, hate projecting goes crazy

[fleet robin]

if anything i just hope it's not like mw2 where everything reduces your ads speed

[feral garden]

People when subjective thoughts and opinions are a thing 👆

Just agree to disagree and move on (Also stop telling people to leave or go outside, cos its cringe as fuck)

[gaunt jungle]

if its only cosmetic it doesent need to exist, in cod mw2 every single attachment has a purpose
Gonna go on a tangent here: Content doesnt need a unique gameplay purpose to extist or to bring value to the player. Having purpose != as having a gameplay purpose. If an attachment simply exists to give the player something to earn and more cosmetic control over their weapon, then not only has it already justified its own existence but its also probably easier to maintain balance wise

[plain bluff]

according to leaks, and i dont know if this has to do with BR, weapons use some sort of variant preset.

[covert nest]

Haha they shouldn't.

No one wants to go down that route.

[plain bluff]

i theorize they allow only certain attachments to be used

[vague barn]

I am very interested to see how the attachment system works tbh.

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie I hope we don't get presets cause they're just boring.

Presets / variants.

[feral garden]

How about presets, but with weapon tuning?

[covert nest]

The furthest that should be done is an m16a3 m16a4 situation from bf3.

Where one was full auto and the other was burst with more accuracy.

[kindred haven]

game has 3-4 different silencers for each weapon and some give more range while others give better aim down sight speed because they arent as large, its just a subjective thing you put on what you like the most

[gaunt jungle]

I bet they just havent finished the attachment system.
However, BF1 variants were much more fun than people give them credit, as the stat changes were usually much more extreme.

[covert nest]

I like specialisations from bf5 cause they could mix it with some interesting things.

I dont like the idea of tuning cause it just seems super barebones and boring.

[plain bluff]

actually, wouldnt that make the most sense? the presets are the tunes

[gaunt jungle]

If I slap on a silencer I just want to silence my weapon.

[tribal flame]

pro/cons are important on attachments, if you don't loose bullet velocity with a suppressor then there is no reason not to have one.

[vague barn]

I hope we see user defined attachment presets ngl.

[covert nest]

Of course take what I say within acknowledgement of obvious downsides and upsides.

[gaunt jungle]

except if I want to slap on a muzzle brake instead. Or a compensator.

[covert nest]

I was primarily thinking of bf4 grips.

Angled grip, stubby grip and vertical grip.

[mossy marten]

If they're going for heavy bf4/3 inspiration, then it's probably going to be like those games

[covert nest]

Yeah

[kindred haven]

it does more than that, thats why i said every attachemnt has a purpose, there is fine tuning you can do by having very specific attachments on your weapons that enhance the way you use the weapon and make the player feel better by having that reflect in recoil or weapon feel

[gaunt jungle]

I just want to silence my gun

[kindred haven]

ok you said that already

[mild girder]

If the Game has Silencers, all i want is to not be seen on Minimap, not heard from afar and have some other Silencers with the same Changes for Looks. I dont want 3-4 Silencers with different Stats

[covert nest]

I don't mind stuff like stubby grip having a downside, Like worse hipfire because you're building your gun to be more ranged.

[gaunt jungle]

Slapping a bunch of extra stats on the silencer adds nothing really

[tribal flame]

factory weapons would be a big disadvantage

[covert nest]

Hell I would love battlefield hardlines heavy barrel in.

Improved accuracy, slightly reduced recoil and less movement speed. Now swap reduced movement speed with worse hipfire spread and general hipfire and that's literally set.

[vague barn]

Could you elaborate on what that does?

[kindred haven]

so you dont want more options you only want the amount of bf2042 weapons at launch compared to bf4?

[vague barn]

Ah

[covert nest]

Cmon

[gaunt jungle]

A minor one disadvantage that people get over quickly

[vague barn]

lmao

[covert nest]

Angled grip should just be a plain reduction to your FSR and no downsides associated.

That thing was the best on battle rifles and high recoil assault rifles.

[mild girder]

I dont want to spend 10h in trying all attachments to find the best build that everyone uses since if they all have different Stats, there will be Meta Builds which would make the game so boring

[covert nest]

By the way by the end of its life cycle Mw3 had so many suppressors and only one was basically the "best"

The quartermaster suppressor.

[kindred haven]

there will be meta builds regardless

[covert nest]

There was zero reason to run anything else.

If you're going to do multiple suppressor types it should change depending on the model.

[mild girder]

or just as cosmetic, not stats

[covert nest]

Yeah pretty much.

That's what I was trying to say.

[quick merlin]

Still pretty cool for cosmetics though

[vague barn]

I really hope the only types of suppressors are suppressor devices and integral suppressors. That's it. No light/heavy nonsense.

[fleet robin]

yeah that was my suggestion from the start

[covert nest]

In hardline russian guns would automatically get the PBS suppressor, American weapons would get the chinese finger trapper.

[quick merlin]

provided it isnt monetised

[gaunt jungle]

4 had it where the faction specific silencer was unlocked first, then the others through battlepacks.

[covert nest]

Yeah I remember that.

[tribal flame]

It makes sense to combine a suppressor with subsonic ammo to get full potential of noise reduction

[covert nest]

In hardline they debloated it.

[vague barn]

I would like a weapon component system to have various attachment models with the same effect...

[gaunt jungle]

idk if its bloat. Theyre nice to have

[covert nest]

It's nice to have but I think with hardlines menus it would just get too annoying.

[vague barn]

I don't want different ammo types ngl. I'd rather just have suppressors remove the tracer effect.

[quick merlin]

Though I guess it should be trade offs, right? Suppressor has some sort of downside. Maybe a light supp doesnt block out as much noise, but less impact on say, bullet velocity?

[gaunt jungle]

Heres a take: give me attachments on my RPG7. Let me put a scope and tandem warheads on it

[quick merlin]

But suppressors are pretty much on/off, not so much an effect I guess

[covert nest]

I liked the plus system.

One of the things I actually didn't have a problem with but the things we lost was annoying.

[vague barn]

I despise the plus system with every fiber of my being.

[covert nest]

Pre class update, Barely having ammo for assault rifles and relying on ammo crate.

[gaunt jungle]

I think the plus system would fit better for like a ww2 game. It would be a great interface for things like folding stocks and removing bayonetts.

[covert nest]

And then post it was like ohhhh ok now I rarely go to my small 20 rounder.

[quick merlin]

I dont mind it, but I feel like you should kit your gun to a situation before hand rather than just rebuilding on the fly. Reward forwards thinking and strategy

Idk though

[covert nest]

They should have worked on a hard and soft attachment system.

[tribal flame]

Having the suppressor reducing damages and bullet velocity is basically like saying you're using weaker ammunation. So as long are those cons are applied for the pros of not appearing on the minimap that's be fine I guess. That's save the hassle of having to switch ammos.

[covert nest]

Hard attachmetns being stuff like actually changing the barrel, stock, etc.

[plain bluff]

i want faction-specific analogue gear. Nato gets M67. Pax could get the DM51. Nato gets the Javelin, PAX could get the south korean Raybolt... man. is that too much work?

[gaunt jungle]

In 2042 it makes a bit more sense due to the massive open spaces between areas. You kinda had to be ready for both long and short range

[covert nest]

And soft being mag optic muzzle and under barrel.

[quick merlin]

Yeah it does make sense for 2042, especially considering HZ

[gaunt jungle]

the javelin should be a pickup weapon

[plain bluff]

why?

[quick merlin]

Hybrid sights are cool though, would love to see those return

Along with canted

[gaunt jungle]

Because the javelin isnt some plinky lock on weapon it is the closest thing humans made to be smitten by god

and I think the game should reflect that by making it a stronger pickup

[vague barn]

I'd rather the suppressors didn't reduce muzzle velocity. I feel like practically no one uses suppressors because of that. Reducing the damage output would just further discourage their use.

[gaunt jungle]

If I slap a suppressor on an m240 and mag dump it, it should start to melt :)

[covert nest]

HAMR my beloved.

[quick merlin]

I thought it was a good trade. Forced suppressor users to actually move in closer and PTFO

[vague barn]

I'd prefer suppressors to give more recoil instead (through overgassing).

[covert nest]

Suppressors at most should just reduce velocity and make it more difficult to get a bead on someone.

[vague barn]

Or just a heat mirage effect for sustained fire idk.

[tribal flame]

I kinda liked the overheating mechanics of the MG42 in BFV

[covert nest]

In 2042 it wasn't an issue because velocity was so high it just kinda made it whatever.

[plain bluff]

No. Also make .50 caliber bolties available to recon

[covert nest]

Though it could certainly be felt.

We don't need instant kill rifles like the NTW again.

That shit is so fucking annoying.

[quick merlin]

Off topic a bit, but I havent seen any sign of fortifications yet and it makes me sad 😦

[gaunt jungle]

But then you have to neuter the weapon to make it balanced. Theyre more fun as pickups

[mild girder]

The Bundeswehr aka German Military is flying with Jets again over my city. I WANT TO ENJOY MY FREEDAYS IN PEACE GOD DAMMIT

[plain bluff]

thats the thing. i want to use the weapon i want, not fight others just to get a chance to use it. battle pickups are an outdated concept

[plain bluff]

enlist into the Lüftwaffe

[tribal flame]

you can keep the barrett as long as the M24 is back 😍

[plain bluff]

its a sign

[mild girder]

I would probably fail with the entry exam lol

[plain bluff]

the m24 is back. as the M2010 ESR

[vague barn]

Ngl I really do not fancy the idea of 1HK rifles being equippable by default.

[plain bluff]

[gaunt jungle]

But they cant be the same weapons if theyre in the loadout menu. They have to be nuetered, removed. No multi shot GLs or real 50 cals or flamethrowers or what not. Thats just boring.

[plain bluff]

they dont have to be? max damage at 85 or something

[gaunt jungle]

LAME

[covert nest]

Yeah 85 should be the limit at MOST.

Hardline had an m82.416 funny enough.

[quick merlin]

Movement penalty? Extreme recoil? Must be bipoded like the old MMGs maybe?

I'm not fond of it being default either but still

[covert nest]

Preferably no instant kill zero glint rifle you can't reasonably predict.

[plain bluff]

man, piss of with that arena gameplay. BC2 did it, why cant this title?

[tribal flame]

nah I'm talking about the OG mythical BF2 sniper, with the pieces of fabric hanging around

[plain bluff]

thats the joke

[covert nest]

Wait the m2010?

ohhh that's cool.

[vague barn]

Solutions to scope glare are becoming increasingly common in sniper operations, ranging from simply taping the front of the optic to prevent glare from the objective lens, to dedicated anti-reflective devices with a hexagonal mesh (commonly called “killflash”). I'd love to see these measures be introduced.

[gaunt jungle]

wtf do you mean arena gameplay? How is this any different than limiting tanks and helis?
I dont want them to cut the fun sandbox element because you arbitrarily want it to be in the loadout menu

[covert nest]

Nvm

[quick merlin]

Ngl I would hate some sort of anti glint attachment

Like, just forgo the scope

[gaunt jungle]

[plain bluff]

if youre gonna include battle pickups, at least make it so that the weapons in question are unique. the rotary grenade launcher for example

[vague barn]

Recon is allegedly the least played class overall, so I figure not penalizing them might be a good idea.

[quick merlin]

Recon is least played? Thats wild lol

Not in my servers

[vague barn]

Idk if it's entirely true, but I definitely have seen people mentioning it.

[quick merlin]

Do you know which game?

[vague barn]

I haven't done any in-depth research to validate it.

[vague barn]

No.

[gaunt jungle]

Yeah. And if you let them be stronger, then things like the stinger or 50 cal absolutely can be. If anything they are more unique as pickups because they now get to be as strong as their real counterparts. Where the stinger was once just another lockon, now its absolutely devastating. Where the 50cal goes from a sniper with a higher than normal bodyshot damage, now its a 1 shot machine.

[tribal flame]

lol join any breakthrough with me and witness my whole team sniping instead of moving on objectives 😂

[gaunt jungle]

say speaking of unique tech, anyone else notice the thermite drone?

[vague barn]

There's a reason I put the "allegedly" in my comment.

[plain bluff]

you want to make the stinger a pickup. i have no comments to make

a true piece of work

[vague barn]

Making the Stinger a pickup is a terrible, terrible idea.

[quick merlin]

Ignore the 'weapon' for a second and consider what you could do with balance decisions

[gaunt jungle]

yall are boring.

[quick merlin]

Maybe not 'The Stinger' but some other, super powerful anti air

[vague barn]

I take it you're a Helicopter main?

[gaunt jungle]

...

OH MY GOD IM AN IDIOT

I MEANT THE JAVELIN

[quick merlin]

lol

[vague barn]

lmao

[gaunt jungle]

[plain bluff]

there really arent any super-manpads out there. the next size-up is vehicle deployed missiles and cannons

[quick merlin]

Fair enough

[gaunt jungle]

I need my coffee bro omg

[plain bluff]

you also need meds

[gaunt jungle]

yeah stingers shouldnt be pickups.
Javelins

[plain bluff]

thank christ javelin is a gadget

[gaunt jungle]

true but that is unrelated

[vague barn]

I wouldn't mind if the Javelin was made a pickup so long as the alternatives were made more potent. Take the NLAW for instance, that thing does like 17 damage to vehicles in BF4 in spite of being top-attack.

[plain bluff]

You also have Javelin analogues. Too bad they're almost never represented

[gaunt jungle]

are any of the javelin analogues even close?

[plain bluff]

wasnt it 20?

[vague barn]

Last I played with it a few days ago I seem to recall it being 17.

[plain bluff]

for the purpose of the game? sure. irl their capability is roughly equal

[quick merlin]

Bring back the lunge mine you maniacs

[gaunt jungle]

c4 recon

[plain bluff]

akeron mp, the raybolt, japanese have something similar. the type 1 or whatever

[vague barn]

Ngl I would love an Akeron MP. Idk if those are shoulder fireable though?

[gaunt jungle]

the akeron is interesting since you gotta deploy it

[vague barn]

Wouldn't mind them as fortifications though!

[gaunt jungle]

Id imagine it as working like the at rocket in bf1

[vague barn]

Never tried BF1.

[plain bluff]

akeron is roughly 4 kilos heavier than the javelin. nothing you couldnt pick up and shoulder

[gaunt jungle]

You have to deploy the rocket gun on a bipod before you shoot it

[quick merlin]

Oh the AT gun?

[teal dune]

When does the next testing phase start?

[vague barn]

No one knows.

[mossy marten]

i just hope suppression, if it is in the game, doesn't affect bullet spread or gunsway/visual recoil (screw visual recoil, make it a toggle dice)

[gaunt jungle]

is it ergonomically set up for that though?

[vague barn]

Ah okay.

[plain bluff]

thats the magic of a game. the devs could do that for us

[gaunt jungle]

it is in the game, and the assault class's stim pen specifically negates it

[gaunt jungle]

But it may be more interesting not to

[mossy marten]

that's cringe

[quick merlin]

lol that username checks out

[plain bluff]

i agree. might be interesting

[gaunt jungle]

the effects look cool at least. Dont know what suppression actually does yet, seems to be view flinch?

[plain bluff]

i wish theyd bring back the eryx though

[mossy marten]

no, because the person playing dies before anything can be seen

[indigo pebble]

seens a few more leaks today and wow the game is looking amazing already deffo looks better then 2042 already

[quick merlin]

Yeah it does look promising. Hope the release goes well

[gaunt jungle]

Kinda crazy that this looks more stable than both 42 and 5 at launch

[teal dune]

Is there russian tanks available in the playtest?

[indigo pebble]

yea and i do like the clean ui too

i so want to get into this playtest

[gaunt jungle]

No, pax armata uses a leopard

[mossy marten]

the HUD on the other hand, is a cluster

[gaunt jungle]

I wish it was a bit more stylized like 4

I like how that game based its hud off of actual tank and plane HUDs

[indigo pebble]

i just watched a rocket launcher hit a building in a small alley and the destruction is good too

[teal dune]

Wow

How does that make sense

[quick merlin]

Because RU tanks are too weak to tractors

[gaunt jungle]

We know nothing about Pax Armata to be fair but I assume they just bought the leopard

[plain bluff]

because we have no idea who pax armata encompasses

pax armata seems to be using a lot of german gear

[gaunt jungle]

Theyre a PMC

[plain bluff]

they even use a cv90

[plain bluff]

pmcs can be sponsored

[quick merlin]

There's a campaign, right?

[indigo pebble]

just thank god no more operators thats was a bad idea

[gaunt jungle]

Now what Im curious about is this idea of a "north atlantic treaty organization". The US allying with Europe? sounds silly to me.

[quick merlin]

Nowadays? Yeah probably

[teal dune]

They just need to make battlefield 1 in a modern setting and it would be another masterpiece

[tribal flame]

especially with the lastest IRL events 😄

[quick merlin]

I don't think the writers could really predict modern times tbf

[plain bluff]

things arent as hard to predict as they are to pinpoint

[gaunt jungle]

they couldnt but it is very funny if, by the time the game is out, it features an alliance of people who hate eachother.

(then again most games just lump russia and china into an alliance so maybe that precedent is set)

[quick merlin]

inb4 they remove US weapons due to sudden modern event on release

[plain bluff]

a few years ago i wanted to write up a book on ||how america stole a russian nuke in order to detonate in it brussels in order to get the eu involved in ukraine. eu services caught them and relations fall apart.||

[deep mica]

i mean, it makes sense, russia china and iran w north korea are major allies

[gaunt jungle]

Not really. Russia and NK are but beyond that its fairly loose.

[deep mica]

iran literally produces bombs that drop and kill people in ukraine...

tens of thousands of these probably

[tribal flame]

factions would work as US vs China and NATO vs Russia

[gaunt jungle]

China tolerates Russia and makes money from them when the opportunity arises, but theyre not really friends.

[deep mica]

china supports russia militarily

thats all that matters

[quick merlin]

Come to think of it, it was pretty ballsy to have china as antagonists in bf4 back in the day

[deep mica]

if the taiwan invasion happens, russia wont sit still

[gaunt jungle]

Sure but they wouldnt join a war for them.

[vague barn]

BF4 was banned in China.

[quick merlin]

Yeah makes sense

[deep mica]

i wouldnt make any bets..

especially after how everyone kept saying no war was gonna happen

[gaunt jungle]

I would.
Id also bet on them turning on eachother in the next 10 years over influence in central asia.

[deep mica]

taiwan is literally the most important place for chip manufacturing

if it goes down, good luck playing battlefield 6 xd

[gaunt jungle]

Oh china may invade taiwan, but not for Russia. And I dont think Russia would actually help them.

[deep mica]

russia cant turn away but only be subjugated further

[quick merlin]

I will make no predictions about future events given current day happenings 😔

[deep mica]

russia would help somehow by creating distraction

thats why the war is going to happen in 2027/2028

[gaunt jungle]

why would they?

[deep mica]

it benefits them

[gaunt jungle]

china taking taiwan doesnt matter to them

[deep mica]

do i really need to quote the whole book of geopolitics

if taiwan falls without chips being blown up, that means that the eastern axis has the best technology

they are already pretty strong

[gaunt jungle]

That means china has the best tech. Tech they have no reason to actually share

[deep mica]

its like the prelude to ww1

yea, if russia helps them, they ll get their share

[gaunt jungle]

but we are getting off topic for this channel

[tribal flame]

Jeez the atmosphere is getting heavy in this chat.

[deep mica]

anyway i m not fully sold on the PMC

nato fighting against leopards is... questionable

[gaunt jungle]

The PMC could either be a really grounded scenaro or call of duty goofyness

[deep mica]

it screams to me "i dont wanna lose the russians/chinese/whatever"

and have the game banned

or lose sales money

goofy ass scenarios

game looks great, its just we ll have to wait for the lore i guess

[gaunt jungle]

Im fine with a shakeup over the normal "US v RU" stuff, which itself was always a goofy ass scenario as both countries have nukes.

[tribal flame]

What about the music for the reveal trailer ? You'd prefer the classic theme revisited, or an existing song like BF1 and BF2042 ?

[deep mica]

nukes will always be last measure taken

[gaunt jungle]

No war game has ever not ended in nukes.

[deep mica]

i dont mind the theme, after so much scrutiny to revert to bf3/4 the devs did what they had to

[gaunt jungle]

Existing song, those trailers are always hype

[deep mica]

my only complaint on the vehicles is picking that weird goofy ass leopard 2 variant

instead of 2A6,7,8..

that doesnt even look like a leopard 2..

[vague barn]

Leopard 2 Evolution

[gaunt jungle]

maybe its some legally distinct tank

[deep mica]

cv90 is goated tho, finally we leave the copy pasted LAVs

[tribal flame]

Seven nation army for BF1 was awesome - but I'd get hyped better if nostalgia is summond with the BF3/BF4 theme

[deep mica]

i know that itis

but no huge european army uses it

[plain bluff]

exactly, its convenient

[deep mica]

it also looks like an abomination

[vague barn]

No one uses the CV90 depicted either. Mostly because it's a non-extant version of it.

[plain bluff]

speak for yourself

[deep mica]

when i was spamming we need leo2s i didnt mean this 💀

[plain bluff]

the monkey paw curls

[deep mica]

its always half measures

[plain bluff]

what half measures?

[mossy marten]

[gaunt jungle]

I am really curious what the story is here as, judging by the confirmed leaks, pax armata should have a foothold in the US.

[versed token]

Not a 1:1 recreation= bad

[gaunt jungle]

It is an odd choice at least

[deep mica]

yea its super strange

imho it should follow a realistic path

[gaunt jungle]

Usually bf games try to predict what equipment will replace existing ones so maybe thats the idea

[deep mica]

not like 2042 fighting in an indian port

[gaunt jungle]

theres a map in california

[deep mica]

no army will reach in the middle of the US

or ural mountains

because at that point nukes ll go off

[covert nest]

There's also the part about rights adding the piece of military equipment.

[deep mica]

i understand the legal rammifications

but dont weapon companies, especially in 2025 with all the wars, want all the exposition they can get

[plain bluff]

if Pax Armata has a foothold in the US, with NATO backing the US, it can only mean one thing. The PMC is sponsored by multiple states. My bet is Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. South America and some Oceanic states could also be involved.

[deep mica]

im sure if you called rheinmetall right now they d beg you to spam leopards

at this point they d give you the schematics

i think strikers idea is the only logical one

and any other would be goofy

[covert nest]

I'm honestly not sure what they'd ask for to add their equipment to the game.

[deep mica]

but theres no way in hell they d have leopard 2 evo unless they took singapore over

[covert nest]

I heard something about that car manufacturers don't like it when their cars in games get all destroyed and shit.

[deep mica]

and when nato has thousands of leopards, its strange to depict them with the PAX

[covert nest]

I couldn't imagine how polaris felt when people would fire rockets at their polaris razors.

But you know. They would have been made to understand the context of the game and shit.

[deep mica]

because it promotes their equipment to be bought by governments, and more young men would want to volunteer in the army

and the EU armies need men rn

plus that the gov would want a tank that the civilians also want

[plain bluff]

There isn't any "taking over". Think Wagner. Russians use them to further their political sphere and influence. Sponsored PMCs are an excellent way to do dirty work.

[covert nest]

Wait what I'm just saying because I don't think anyone asides from the manufacturers knows what they want internally.

[deep mica]

the thing with PMCs is they never have that much power

NATO would wipe the floor with any PMC

[covert nest]

There was some AH 1Z controversy a bit ago too.

[plain bluff]

Also, if youre gonna do dirty stuff, dont use the tools you bought (or the tools you made)

Steal and buy foreign tech

[covert nest]

Really funny actually. Bf3 originally was meant to have the Apache right.

[deep mica]

i mean, they dont have much else they can do

[covert nest]

It was replaced with the viper.

[deep mica]

all they had was old soviet tanks

[gaunt jungle]

I mean the US would also mop the floor with russia in any of these scenarios.
My bet is that this is some goofy Atlas Corporation type thing

[deep mica]

almost no aerial capacity

[plain bluff]

it also had ths F-15E but we never saw double seater jets since bf2

[covert nest]

Come their lawsuit, 6 to 7 years later bf3 portal doesn't have the viper but instead the Apache.

[deep mica]

however i look at it, it never fully makes sense

[covert nest]

So in a way. They added cut content to an artificial bf3.

[deep mica]

the new game lore wise i mean

i think EA could do a solid with an Iran war

[covert nest]

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/ea-claims-first-amendment-protections-for-battlefield-3-helicopters/

Nvm it's been 13 years.

Fucking hell.

[deep mica]

iran is already fully sanctioned by everyone, they dont care about game sales there

[gaunt jungle]

I want Russia vs the MEC

[deep mica]

just make NATO vs Iran and korea

EU Vs RU

no US

sales drop tho

unless

[covert nest]

Or just do PAC. Mercenaries are fine too.

[plain bluff]

hell yeah US should just return to isolationism since all they do is bomb EU industries and claim victory

[deep mica]

i dont like mercenaries in games

[feral garden]

I dont think 99% of MP players will care what the factions are. They just want to make things go boom

[deep mica]

its not new

[covert nest]

A mercenary force will follow the money and their equipment will follow suit to their skills.

[deep mica]

isolationism in the US was strong in 1930s

japan had to bomb pearl harbor for them to join

[plain bluff]

im being extremely sarcastic

[deep mica]

i get it

but an EU vs RU solo would make sense balance wise

[covert nest]

Though my pov is from battletech and I love turning on my employers LMAO

[deep mica]

battlefield 7 will be FPV drones only

6 might even have an FPV mode only even

[covert nest]

Bf2 had MEC and PLA huh

[deep mica]

sure, we all prefer multiplayer, its just that the campaign would be.. weird

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie. Again. I think PAC would be a stronger antagonistic faction even though realistically they kept themselves secret for a 120 years.

[gaunt jungle]

I would love if it was a grounded, fleshed out scenario

[covert nest]

NATO is a good faction because you have multiple countries under the banner.

[deep mica]

ye

[covert nest]

Germany, Finland, France, hell do Ukraine because funny.

[plain bluff]

Pax armata is seriously close to being PAC, if thats the case. Its the only way I see the funds and support being so readily available to Pax is by PAC forming in the shadows

[deep mica]

one of the many reasons that BF1 was so succesful was that its factions were so grounded

[covert nest]

Pan Asian coalition could include Japan, Korea, China and Russia.

[quick merlin]

Wonder how they'll handle the campaign scale. Global bombastic shootathon or focused on a smaller conflict?

[covert nest]

Not could literally its the pan Asian coalition.

[gaunt jungle]

Would be the 3rd time theyve shown the formation of the PAC

[deep mica]

japan korea china and russia would never ally

[covert nest]

I just want to play as a German male assault.

[versed token]

If we get NATO i hope they can depict the variety of equipment it has

[deep mica]

japan is literally arch nemesis of Russia in the east

[covert nest]

Yeah but in a fictional war why not.

[feral garden]

BF6 campaign intro be like

https://youtu.be/bMmHquROSiM?si=V6Q-TfM-Y-gSfpfd

[covert nest]

Trust me when I was looking into the PAC for 2142 I was weirded out too.

[plain bluff]

2142. Final Stand. ?

[gaunt jungle]

last season of 2042

[covert nest]

Wait shit

I thought you were being random when you were saying pax armata that's really cool.

[tepid plinth]

is that what the PA in PAC stands for?

[covert nest]

Yeah

[tepid plinth]

intriguing

won't lie, I've got zero clue nor care for the narrative of battlefield

first time I ever played a campaign mission was mud and blood. 2 Days ago. So i've got no clue who's what

[plain bluff]

thats very disappointing

no justice for writers

[covert nest]

To be honest. I can understand why you think that.

[plain bluff]

Wait a minute I just realized something

[covert nest]

I love personalisation but I understand why people care for gameplay more.

[plain bluff]

BF6 concept art shows Abbasid and Gibraltar.

2142 has Tunis and Camp Gibraltar maps

oh yeah.

its on

its PAX vs NATO battle for Africa

California is a distraction

(is that were Pax had a foothold?)

[leaden trout]

Guys new BF is so DELTA FORCE 2.0

I saw the leaked videos what in Gods name is that

[plain bluff]

IT ISNT AND YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY

[covert nest]

Who knows. Battlefield 2 armoured fury actually had the mec and the pla invading America in one of its expansion packs.

"Delta force 2" alright dude.

[mossy marten]

❓

[covert nest]

Some america centric maps i think would actually be interesting.

[leaden trout]

Why DICE just didn't do a REMASTERED version of BF4 and all happy

[covert nest]

Reminds me that the Americans developed the superheavy t28 just incase they got invaded in ww2.

[tribal flame]

Bring back a map of Paris

[versed token]

We need some forest maps

[plain bluff]

BECAUSE you have NO TASTE and NO IDEA on what MUST happen

[tribal flame]

that as well

[leaden trout]

Have you noticed since Battlefield Premium is gone, BF games are SHIT

[covert nest]

Why must we get a remake of the same game with nothing new.

I think this guys an idiot

[versed token]

and i mean actual forest and not like 4 trees on the entire map

[mossy marten]

bro needs a chill pill

[covert nest]

Minimi fomrest

[plain bluff]

get with the times old man

[leaden trout]

all 3 games that had premium BF3 , BF4 and BF1 all perfect

[vague barn]

I can 1-up you here; I know the guy is an idiot.

[leaden trout]

I am not too old

38

[tribal flame]

Argonne style

[feral garden]

Just set them as ignore and move along. Irrelivant feedback

[covert nest]

Oh yeah when I went to France there were like corners of forest area.

In the farm fields.

It was really funny.

Yet also really nice.

[feral garden]

"Make it like BF4" - thanks for your feedback, im sure they never heard this info before.

[leaden trout]

the tank "pipe" is now on LEFT side

[versed token]

Groves

[leaden trout]

canon*

[covert nest]

It'd be nice if we got a serious sam reference

[feral garden]

Discussion of leaks is also not allowed here, so please stop

[tribal flame]

Those are actually farm fields, for chimney wood

[covert nest]

English isn't your language isn't it.

[leaden trout]

not primary yeah

[covert nest]

Ohhh that's the term!

I don't see that here.

It's just random trees kilometres on end.

I live in the hills so everything is either super tidy or all over the fucking place.

[leaden trout]

all I want BFV everything but in modern settings

[versed token]

Didn't you just say bf4 though

[covert nest]

Yeah what

[leaden trout]

the best gunplay and weaponry is in BFV

[stark sentinel]

[mossy marten]

bfv gunplay is....... subpar to say the least

[vague barn]

Bro can't even keep his wishes straight, damn

[versed token]

🏳️‍🌈

[vague barn]

I see what you did there, Mr. Arc. Good joke.

[leaden trout]

for me its the best of all games, okey given the ww2 old weapons but the movement, the shooting is awesome

ok here how I see it

[gaunt jungle]

bfv shooting is kinda ass ngl.

6 is looking really good in the movement and shooting detpartment. Taking all the good ideas from 5 but keeping the pacing of 4

[tribal flame]

Do you think we'll have dynamic weather ?

[gaunt jungle]

Probably. Nothing like tornados but pretty much every bf in the last 10 years has had stuff like sandstorms or rain or fog

[leaden trout]

BFV= weaponry, movement, Sniping as Recon for the best
BF4=immersion, vehicles as Attack Heli and attack jets
BF3= Jets
BF1= Sea warfare

[feral garden]

Dust storms snow storms and fog hopefully. I hope gimmicks like tornados are not included.

[versed token]

Rip tornado tech

Proper dynamic weather would be nice

[feral garden]

Bf1 sea warfare was ass tho. BF4 was way better,and had better ocean/wave tech.

[vague barn]

Dynamic but not extreme weather would be cool.

[versed token]

Yeee

[gaunt jungle]

please god let me use a boat at launch

[leaden trout]

Yes maybe, but big ships calling artillery thats cool, in BF4 was only the attack boat

[plain bluff]

the only real thing bigger than fast attack craft are corvettes. guess they could be cool, but honestly hard to implement

[gaunt jungle]

dude bf1 had straight up dreadnoughts

and the cruisers and whatnot

[feral garden]

And?

[tribal flame]

Carrier Assault was a good game mode in BF4

[gaunt jungle]

Its the only bf game since 1942 to have real naval warfare beyond the small boats, it was fun.

[plain bluff]

and ignored because even back then people who played 2142 were gone

[feral garden]

The dreadnought were a gimmick. They basically only shot at land targets, the naval battles in bf1 were terrible. Just position a boat at the rear of a dreadnought and fire tordepoes til it dies

[leaden trout]

I agree

[tribal flame]

They made only sense in Grand Operation mode imo

[feral garden]

Attack boat combat in bf4 was much better than anything naval in BF1.

[gaunt jungle]

yeah but the destroyers

[hoary sinew]

😂

[feral garden]

But what about them? They were gimmicks, that everyone fighting against hated.

Pure inconvenience given to a losing team

[gaunt jungle]

who are these people and how do I kick them out of the bf playerbase?
Destroyers (not dreadnoughts, the destroyers) were fun to use and sick as hell.

[feral garden]

Na, not at all imo.

[gaunt jungle]

behemoths were also fun but I can see the argument that they were gimmicky
But destroyers? nah

[leaden trout]

how DICE in 2011 and 2013 did create one of the best battlefield games, and now today 2025 with all AI help and many other stuff, they cannot make a decent good game WHY

[tribal flame]

That's why I think they only made sense in GO mode, it kept the ball rolling to the next map if attack team was not great

[versed token]

They just made the side playing against it misserable

unfun as hell

[feral garden]

Naval in BF1 was really bad.

Attack boats with escape jet skis in 4 were lots of fun, and the maps made good use of them.

[leaden trout]

Its always we want players feedback, we want players to tell us what THEY want, and in the end, it turns out how DICE wanted to be, no us the general public players

[gaunt jungle]

Ima be real I think a lot of fps players have become thin skinned

I cant think of any time a behemoth ever actually tilted me

[feral garden]

What does thin skin have to do with no wanting to be artillery shelled for the last 10 mins of a match just because you were winning?

[vague barn]

I think you are mistaking your opinions for "the general public players" opinions.

[versed token]

There's no fun counter-play against it

Just plink it from a distance forever

[covert nest]

Behemoths were just annoying as fuck.

Which lead to tilt over time.

[gaunt jungle]

And Im supposed to care?
I died to arty. I respawn and keep playing. Im not gonna sit and cry over counterplay or ask for something so cool to be removed.

[versed token]

I care about fun

It is cool for the first few times

[feral garden]

Lol, why even try to engage in discussion with someone who acts like this.

[versed token]

but that dies off quick

[vague barn]

I would much rather have a fun way to counter a cool feature than have a cool feature that can't be countered.

[gaunt jungle]

so do I. And my fun isnt ruined by the slightest inconvenience.

[covert nest]

Behemoths were not fun to be in the receiving end of when you feel like you had no say in the matter.

[versed token]

It is not a slight inconvenience though

it's designed to disrupt the entire enemy team

[covert nest]

The only time I didn't mind the airships was in air superiority because they felt like a home base rather than a gimmick.

[gaunt jungle]

maybe if it was a constant cycle of spawn-die-spawn-die/
but in the thousand or so bf1 hours ive played ive never had a behemoth actually achieve that.

[tribal flame]

I agree that some improvement could have been made. Like being able to destroy train tracks to block it, be able to go on the dreadnaught to sabotage it, etc...

[feral garden]

Instead they should give the enemy team that's heavily losing infinite mortar strikes. /s

[gaunt jungle]

be able to go on the dreaghnaut to sabotage it
you could do this in 1942

[covert nest]

Comeback mechanics aren't awful either.

Though they need to be balanced well...

[feral garden]

They need to be by design not balanced. I just hated that

[covert nest]

I think narvik was the first map made in bf5 as it had a very primitive version of it. Being instant vehicle spawns.

[gaunt jungle]

they dont really work as a comeback mechanic, Ive never seen one turn the tide. But they do make losing more fun.

[covert nest]

The best thing you can also do is adjust capture time but don't a launch bf5 where the winning team has almost no leverage and the losing team has tonnes.

It was to the point where you'd lose bt games in a flash.

[merry ermine]

naval warfare in bf4 was basically that RCB which was crazy OP.. unless you were one of the guys on the back who always got sniped off because drivers kept stopping

[covert nest]

That was funny.

The guys on the back dying.

[leaden trout]

Mate if they so want to get feed back why they do public surveys players lets vote, it can be on their main web site or wherever: Core game play VOTE: BF3 BF4 BFV BF1. 2nd Weapons: xxx xxx xxx xxx etc lets we as players tell them what we want and they just to it, they never listen, mate games didnt had scoreboards, no squad switch, you cannot see profile of other players, how easy was in BF3 and BF4 just alt+tab click the live scoreboard on the server click on the player name and see how good is it etc. Since those games we cannot see ohter peoples profiles

[tribal flame]

Same with commander weapons/tools in BF2, that's a feature I'd like to see come back

[covert nest]

Lemme do a battlefield hardline and sabotage live vehicles.

So when they move it explodes.

[gaunt jungle]

yes bf2 commander
let me rain hellfire upon them

[covert nest]

That was such a funny gadget.

[cinder dagger]

Please, Battlefield! Bring:

• 128 players;
• geostorms and natural disaster;
• more levolutions;
• bring Imbel Fal .7,62 , Sig Sauer P320, Beretta M9A4, HK MP-9, HK M419, Barett M82A1

[gaunt jungle]

but no we cant have the arty it might hurt the sweat's feelings

[vague barn]

#1077689769246593044 was/is a thing for 2042 since some time. Voting based on no foundation is never a good idea because you'll get people's ideas without them having any experience with the effects of such ideas being actually implemented. I'd wager right now there's a lot of feedback being actioned on based on feedback in the private BF Labs discord.

[covert nest]

We had it in bf5 and not many people complained.

[gaunt jungle]

I mean bf2 artillery

bf2 arty is, to put it bluntly, fucked

[covert nest]

People don't like it when people get easy kills.

[merry ermine]

Yeah but it was destructible

[tribal flame]

But they like to kill easily

[merry ermine]

just go back and c4 the arty

or the commander hut

[vague barn]

• 128 players
• geostorms and natural disasters
• more levolutions
• bring Imbel Fal .7,62 , Sig Sauer P320, Beretta M9A4, HK MP-9, HK M419, Barett M82A1
  Fixed it for you

[gaunt jungle]

oh yeah, another cool thing. Though this was never trivial and usually a pain.
Remember back when there was a class dedicated to blowing up things at spawn?

thats something that people cannot handle now

[fleet robin]

because players don't know what they actually want, and an unimaginable amount of people are going to vote based solely on nostalgia or what they think would make a good game, rather than what actually would. Playtests are done like this because players can actually see and feel what dice is doing, and feedback can be given based on that

[tribal flame]

special force class or something like that ? 🤨 don't remember the name of it

[merry ermine]

yeah it's a strong differentiator from something like COD airstrikes where you're just a victim to the whims of a killstreak.. you can fight back against the bf2 type arty so go fight back 😄

[leaden trout]

Yes but that feed back is soley on server stuff, not to change this or that in the game, they test server stability

[minor linden]

Fr. 128 players doesn’t work. DICE themselves said that around 40 players induced the most fun.

And natural disasters are just gimmicks

[vague barn]

This round of playtests is literally focused on gunplay and movement dude.

[tepid plinth]

They literally overhauled several features in game in direct response to those feedback threads

[covert nest]

Easy kills like shooting people with guns?

[merry ermine]

Except the sandstorm. Honestly the one thing about Hourglass that's great is the sandstorm, which should honestly just be the constant condition for the whole round. It's actually game changing.

[covert nest]

I guess there are categories.

People like movement lover and I care more for the gunplay and shooting people instead of abusing the best of the best stuff.

[hard zinc]

I made a mistake and watched the leaked footage. All I can say is if they don’t take the women out of the combat and change the announcer voice I’m done.

[minor linden]

That was basically taken from bf1’s desert maps, so yeah

[gaunt jungle]

ooh thats actually a really cool map idea

[covert nest]

Like gadgets and shit.

I love claymores and blowing people up because they're not as brainless as you think!

[minor linden]

💀

Also, the voice lines are placeholder lol

[tribal flame]

What I mean is people complaining when being killed by an OP weapon also enjoy killing players with this OP weapon

[merry ermine]

That's a good point. I forgot about that in bf1

[cinder dagger]

Sandstorm, hurricanes, lightnings and thunders with heavy rain would be nice

[covert nest]

The greatest enemy of gamers. Woman voices.

[hard zinc]

The last thing I want in a warzone is some chick yappin off in my ear I get that enough at home.

[gaunt jungle]

adios virgin

[fleet robin]

i don't think they'll miss you

[vague barn]

👋 bye felicia

[covert nest]

I dunno about you dude

[minor linden]

I agree with everything besides for hurricanes. They are very gimmicky and just make the map worse

[merry ermine]

I just don't get how there are so many neckbeard basement dwellers who don't know about the other half of the species

[covert nest]

An Angry German woman is the second most intimidating thing after my dad.

[merry ermine]

LOL

[covert nest]

And I heard one at Berlin.

[feral garden]

And BF1 had female announcer. It was optional, but it likely also will be here also.

Cringe AF to have that as what would stop you playing a game tho. Actually soft behavior 😅

[fleet robin]

i thought we were supposed to be the snowflakes, but they're the ones getting offended by a female voice? i dunno

[tepid plinth]

They have taken objective duff

[gaunt jungle]

wait there was a 2nd announcer in bf1?

[tepid plinth]

Yes

[covert nest]

LMAO

Oh that's funny

[feral garden]

It's male or female optional

[gaunt jungle]

why would anyone turn off the default?

[hard zinc]

Wow only 2 choices.

[tepid plinth]

It seems we’ve found someone who might

[covert nest]

Hey look to play as a soldier with a German accent would be based as fuck.

[hard zinc]

Guess that was before they became inclusive 🤣

[covert nest]

Well I hope

[minor linden]

There was a male announcer for bf1? It automatically put me on the female one

[covert nest]

?

[vague barn]

"What are you zinking about?" meme

[tepid plinth]

I’d want to play as a Scotsman just to yell absolute gibberish and have nobody understand me

[hard zinc]

Yes

[gaunt jungle]

the bf1 announcer is just iconic. It would be like genderswapping the halo guy

[merry ermine]

ok that would actually be terrifying to have running at you in game

[feral garden]

This guy can fuck off tho. Edge lord trying to cause drama lol.

When he is the soft one.

[covert nest]

Genderswapping the halo guy wtf is that

[feral garden]

Female spartan 117

[vague barn]

This chat has deteriorated rapidly since the leaks.

[covert nest]

It feels like the monkeys escaped the zoo

[gaunt jungle]

(what i mean is that replacing such a good announcer would be cringe)

[covert nest]

Choice is always good

The va for the original bf1 announcer did good though yeah

[hard zinc]

Only because the EA whores are hyped and ready to combat actual battlefield fans opinions.

[feral garden]

Cry more dude

[merry ermine]

"let me customize everything about the HUD but how dare you let me customize any of the audio"

[covert nest]

Wild thing to say

[vague barn]

🤡

[tepid plinth]

The 2042 announcers I just kind of forget about though

Bf1’s the most memorable announcer for me

[hard zinc]

Wild, no. Honest, yes

[tepid plinth]

It’s simple and to the point, but effective

[covert nest]

Nah just wild.

[gaunt jungle]

oh im fine with the choice, i just think youd have bad taste

[hard zinc]

No I have realistic expectations

[covert nest]

Oh one thing I found interesting is that they used the same American va's for the American chatter on 2042.

[feral garden]

Na, you're a weirdo for trying to derail the conversation

[merry ermine]

Disagreeing with taste is one thing, but that's why the choice would there to begin with.

[gaunt jungle]

placeholder probably

[merry ermine]

Get 100k gamers to agree on one design choice... good luck

[covert nest]

No wait I mean

Sorry i messed thst uo

That up

[fleet robin]

yeah a lot of the audio is placeholder, both voices and sound effects

[covert nest]

Bf5's and 2042's American chatter are the same va.

[vague barn]

Can barely get 10 to agree on one design choice.

[minor linden]

Speaking of hud, I miss the old bf4 style hud. Imo the newer styles look a bit weird

[covert nest]

I misspoke terribly.

But yeah there's tonnes of placehokder but I don't think it's worth going omg the chatter from the leaks is bad when they are literally due to add more.

[feral garden]

As long as it's customizable, I'm good with whatever

[minor linden]

Fair

I’m good as long as I can make mine look like the old ones

[vague barn]

NO, it's my way or else it's bad >:( /s

[merry ermine]

like placement of the HUD components? Or like minimap being blue filtered in bf4?

[gaunt jungle]

the huds since bf1 have been less thematic.

[fleet robin]

a guy was saying the sprint speed was too fast and calling it clownfield because of that lmao people just don't get it

[tribal flame]

Not a big fan of the greenish-blue 2042 HUD, I wish we could have changed the color

[leaden trout]

Well I hope so but in making decisions on the game feedback will not going be taken much from players Believe me I know EA how treating DICE, DICE was a perfect studio back in the days, but at one point something happen, EA started to clean very important game creators, that acctualy brought us the games as BFBC2, BF3 and BF4 and to some extend BF1 abit, after BF1, that is not DICE as it was, first EA is multibilion company, DICE is the main studio, back in the day only DICE made the games, today DICE have help from 3-4 more studios, such funding, millions $ in play, people work around the clock and WhAT they bring, for real what? nothing since 2021, and this new game will come april 2026, they just have a model, they are making the game now, like they did with BFV and BF2042, that new like FREE content is pure shit, that is the actual way how they made the game with time, game should be made, tested and released, how could they do BFBC2 in 2010, then 2011 BF3 and then 2013 BF4 how? my point been is if back then they could produce game that much fast, we knew new bf game every 2ish years. I don't understand what is this studio today or they totally lost it, like they got to a point that DICE is no longer what it was and the really suck at making games.

[merry ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[minor linden]

[covert nest]

Ohhh i think i know what idiot you're talking abiut

[fleet robin]

holy yappatron

[gaunt jungle]

not reading all that
sorry that happened
or great news

[covert nest]

You can.

You actually can.

Well. Now.

Imma do a orange and purple hud go spite everyone.

[merry ermine]

that could look really good

[covert nest]

Yeah

[fleet robin]

i find it funny that people think devs should stay at the same studio for 10+ years, and that if they leave it's because of evil big corpo and not just a totally normal thing

[covert nest]

I love orange purple and dark red.

[vague barn]

It's almost like games have become increasingly complicated to make and improve on over the years since BC2 😲

[minor linden]

The new huds also look very cluttered

[merry ermine]

yeah why should game devs care about their career and take opportunities! rawr.

[fleet robin]

the amount of people i see saying "all they need to do is make a good battlefield like the old days" as if it's a simple task is astonishing

[covert nest]

It's so cleaaaannn

But i kept my colours basic

[merry ermine]

I don't think I'd want to use it all the time but it does look good

[covert nest]

For identification.

[vague barn]

Yeah, it's insane and worries me about their comprehension.

[covert nest]

It's not cancerous!

[minor linden]

Y’know, what do y’all think of the color theme of labs (and probably the next bf).

Imo the reddish orange looks really good. Especially since all the maps we’ve seen are desert themed

[covert nest]

Oh by the way that black x is a rocket.

Headed for my face.

[vague barn]

QUICK! DUCK!

[covert nest]

All I remember from the clip is blinking right as the rocket hit my face

@vague barn

[feral garden]

I REALLY hope that doritos or player markers/icons only appear at close range.

[vague barn]

Why did you not listen to me? 😭

[tepid plinth]

and not through smoke

[covert nest]

I fucking blinked

And got hit in the face.

[tepid plinth]

i'm all for good visibility, but having a 100% track through smoke isn't on, as well the icon appearing above someone who is perfectly behind cover

[fleet robin]

i think it looks fine, but i feel the gray parts of the ui are a bit bland

[vague barn]

Yeah that shit is horrendous.

[gaunt jungle]

not even sure why theyre there in the beta since weapons are all class

[leaden trout]

Well yes that's what I am saying, WHY is that, they have new tech, they have people, they have budget, they have the resorces the time, what is it, what did expire them back then, and why there is nothing to expire them now

[gaunt jungle]

you mean inspire?

[fleet robin]

money

[covert nest]

Games have gotten bigger and bigger versus 10 to 20 years ago.

[leaden trout]

@gaunt jungle Yes my bad

[vague barn]

Dude, I am not going to bother debating this with you any further as you clearly have the brain power of a cup of water.

[fleet robin]

games cost more, companies want bigger returns, etc

[merry ermine]

Yes folks seem to forget that EA is publicly traded, which means beholden to shareholders. Shareholders != gamers.

[leaden trout]

Why, what you think I am saying that is wrong or stupid or whatever?

[merry ermine]

They are obligated to do what's best for the stock price

[fleet robin]

oh looks like auto lean is back, didn't notice that

[vague barn]

I'm almost tempted to buy stock in EA just for shits and giggles ngl

[minor linden]

I just realized the big thing I hate about the new UIs.

They show the guns you can equip in a selection menu looking box. Imo it makes it look way too much like a mobile ui. Why do we need to see what guns we can equip when there’s only ever 2 guns you can equip? It just unnecessarily clutters the screen

Just having the ammo on the bottom right looks so much cleaner

[fleet robin]

call of duty syndrome, it's a little worrying

[gaunt jungle]

They also seem a bit more disconnected with the customer base. After years of success a lot of franchises just churn out whatever and make a profit, which creates a mindset of "oh just add X trendy thing and we'll make a ton of money"

[minor linden]

With the gadgets in the bottom middle

[covert nest]

I'd like to see black ops 6 reactive auto lean but I dunno

[merry ermine]

Well now. Pre alpha testing with the community is trending the other direction though

[covert nest]

I don't want to deal with lean spam like from bf5.

[gaunt jungle]

Absolutely.

[covert nest]

It's not a fun thing in the receiving end.

[tepid plinth]

bbbbb but the people want leaning! It's tactical

[fleet robin]

also looks like players might be able to hang onto the back of tanks? Big if true

[gaunt jungle]

I dont really see much of a reason for leaning to go beyond what was in bf4

[fleet robin]

no more tanks running away from engineers

[tepid plinth]

so I take it they aren't too bothered by discussing leaks now since everyone here seems to be openly discussing them

[covert nest]

I used to be so good at abusing that shit

[gaunt jungle]

oh that would be sick.

[covert nest]

It felt unfair.

Honestly

I feel like if you're tip toeing the line they don't care?

[merry ermine]

if you're under NDA you should be bothered

[fleet robin]

they changed the rules to allow it now

[tepid plinth]

i'm not in the test (sadly) but there are still rules about them i'd rather not break

[gaunt jungle]

No real reason to try to suppress the leaks now.

[covert nest]

Wait they have?

[tepid plinth]

but i've not watched any of the footage yet anyways

[vague barn]

Leaks - The sharing and discussion of leaked information will be closely monitored. There is to be no discussion of leaks that are circulating in small groups, feel like hearsay, and/or don't match known information around the product as well as no downloading/direct re-sharing of game footage that has been leaked elsewhere. Players can however discuss leaks that are seen as widely available or have been covered by mainstream media sources, but this is entirely at the moderator/staff team’s discretion.

[gaunt jungle]

why?

[leaden trout]

I really WISH, DICE to make this new BF game good, like very good, in the next 14 monts after they release it MAY 2026, I really do, but if there is no PREMIUM content, that guarantees you solid and on time release DLCs it will be same shit as before just different name, copy paste

[fleet robin]

though they say it's only for only for publicly available leaks, so nothing from private groups directly sharing leaks

[covert nest]

I just read it. I guess maybe just talk about the stuff that's widely known?

Yeah

[tepid plinth]

just haven't bothered to yet. Would also rather feel it than watch it. Don't want to make assumptions about it before actually trying it

[merry ermine]

where do you see may 2026 release date?

[gaunt jungle]

fair. especially when the leaker is dogshit at the game

[tepid plinth]

knowing that now, I'm doubly sure lol.

[gaunt jungle]

dude is aiming in figure eights

[leaden trout]

Well I read it on X, aka Twitter that game comes April-May 2026 its been pushed back

[tepid plinth]

You can pick out specific systems to analyse but without experiencing how they work in action it's kinda impossible to come to a real conclusion

[covert nest]

It's so funny that the leaker was a complete bot.

[merry ermine]

their Q3 earnings report already confirmed it would launch in FY25, which closes 31 March 2026

[fleet robin]

the release date is fy 2026, which means anywhere from april 2025 to april 2026

[covert nest]

Like why do the dogshit players have to be the leakers. Why can't it be someone with half a brain.

But if they had half a brain they wouldn't be leaking!!!!

[cloud flame]

I used to work in game QA, and from my experience just because you have the money and the manpower doesn't mean you have the ability given whatever timeline for milestones and release are. Some shit is just absolutely fucked and either has to get delayed to a post launch fix/release or just get cut entirely.

When it comes to what you said earlier about EA getting rid of designers and such, that also could just be natural turnover. Unless you're pretty much head of a studio even leads and directors will leave after 10 years or so if there's no real feeling of advancing career or creative fulfillment.

That said there's also the issue of extensive use of 3rd party contractor work that the industry uses for entry level positions that I am convinced and have experienced being a long term detriment to development. But the suits love using it cause they can pay less wages and "scale" (fire/hire) team members easier (for any deptartment)

[tepid plinth]

exactly that. The people who have a brain know they'll break their agreement if they do

[gaunt jungle]

main thing though is the pacing of the game, and just how cleanly the game is running. BF games at realease have been buggier than this.

[feral garden]

Do ye think for a playtest, they should do a dev stream?

Kinda like they used to do when new maps/seasons released for 2042. It would at least allow them a sense of control over what's shown, and allow the community to discuss the visual side of that content.

[tribal flame]

omg, just saw it now, what have you done ? 😂

[covert nest]

I got FACE BLASTED BY A ROCKET

[woven horizon]

Ea saw the leaks, took them down, saw how horrible the player was and decided to keep it up lmao

[covert nest]

I didn't do anything its like I got fucked instead!

That came out wrong

[tepid plinth]

As in a podcast or more of a dev blog showing specific changes?

[vague barn]

👀

[covert nest]

I want to say

[leaden trout]

yes I get you, I understand it all

[feral garden]

Just have someone part take in a playtest session, stream it and discuss what they are testing.

[covert nest]

I feel like they predicted a leak would happen which is why the build we got was super high quality, relatively.

For a pre release build.

[gaunt jungle]

they may have also just gotten their shit together for this project

[versed token]

I feel like them showing pre-alpha stuff would go down horribly

[covert nest]

Fun fact.

[versed token]

people just don't understand what pre-alpha even means

[gaunt jungle]

worked great for Deadlock

[covert nest]

Have any of you guys noticed complaints that the game is broken?

[minor linden]

Would’ve been like the gta 6 leak lol

[tepid plinth]

more official footage is good in my books

[covert nest]

Or about the whitebox weapons?

[leaden trout]

Yes based on those earnings its been stated 2026

[vague barn]

I've noticed people complaining about floating debris, that's about it.

[versed token]

We've already seen people judge the leaks as the final product

[fleet robin]

fiscal year 2026, which is april 2025 to april 2026

[covert nest]

Most of the complaints have been over presentation. Especially woman.

[cloud flame]

With a build like this so public its def a branch from the main build that was tested seperately for stability and as minimum bugs as they felt comfortable sending out for a play test. But agreed that even a branch that clean this early is nice to see

[covert nest]

I'm glad I'm not that down with life goddamn

[covert nest]

Absolutely yeah.

[tepid plinth]

and I think we can safely discard that as a criticism

[covert nest]

For a pre release build this is a build that was made to be as stable as possible.

[covert nest]

Absolutely.

[fleet robin]

yeah surprisingly all the complains i've seen have been about women or movement, very good sign

[leaden trout]

yes mate I know, like I said someone stated that games comes after March 26 i was reading it in BF bulletin

[tepid plinth]

I want to ask about movement but also don't

[covert nest]

I know that there are people that are rightfully mad that its been leaked.

But

[leaden trout]

I would love to be this summer

[covert nest]

I think for the most part it's been super positive.

[leaden trout]

if i am been asked

[fleet robin]

it's definitely not coming any sooner than oct/nov this year

[cloud flame]

holy shit right? I cant do some social media anymore cause there are way too many people on some sites that hear a female VO and instantly hate whatever game

[fleet robin]

and i'd hope it doesn't

[tepid plinth]

but know the second I get my hands on it I'll be breaking it down like nobody's business

[minor linden]

The movement isn’t the best, but it also isn’t terrible. Imo it looks around 5’s speed

[covert nest]

I want my assault to be a German woman goddammit. Have you been to Berlin?

[weary lake]

Did you see this in any of the leaks? I guess I wouldn’t mind the auto lean or a setting to make it reactive to the situation. Manual lean I’m 50/50 on. Could be cool but the lean spam would suck. Could be a consequence for leaving too much like reduce aiming stability or a cool down of sorts? I haven’t seen leaning in any footage so hard to tell.

[fleet robin]

a common complaint i've seen is about vehicle speed, which imo yeah could be toned down a bit, but then again this is a small map

[covert nest]

I know Germans aren't a fan of Berlin but there was this woman on the bicycle track essentially yelling at people because they were in the way.

[fleet robin]

yeah it's in one of the clips on reddit, if you're close to a corner you lean automatically when aiming

[tepid plinth]

i'm more interested by what it might contain beyond the confirmed bfv returning features. What new movement does it have to separate it? Is it purely traversal or are there elements to be used in combat? Stuff like that

[minor linden]

Yeah, I kinda agree with that. They did seem a bit fast

[tepid plinth]

leaning was confirmed in the dev blog

[covert nest]

It could be that they have some larger scale maps planned for that shit.

Oh wait there was a dev log?

[fleet robin]

it has the 360 prone thing where you can see your legs, so far that's all i've seen that could come directly from bfv's movement system

[tepid plinth]

referring to the gunplay and movement post

[cloud flame]

How is the general movement mechanics? Speed values and such can be easily tweeked but like how's the core/variety of movement?

I havnt been able to see the leaks much

[covert nest]

Oh I read leaning as leaking.

[tepid plinth]

[covert nest]

It looks simple right now

Don't look at me. :(

[half halo]

As long as it's not feeling clunky like BF2042

[wispy dagger]

The tanks were definitely too fast, looked like they were light

[fleet robin]

oh wow i just noticed something very sneaky

[half halo]

When I play BFV and MWIII it's fluid as butter. When I play BF2042 (once every few months), it feels so bad it's crazy

[tepid plinth]

well I bet bf4 and 2042's both seemed simple at first, yet they are the most movement shooter-y games

it's the kind of thing where you need people who know how to use it to demonstrate it or you'll never know

[fleet robin]

there's a small transparent arrow that appears on your screen when you're getting shot at, to indicate where bullets/gunshots are coming from

[weary lake]

Right and it makes it sound contextual versus manual but curious on if anyone actually saw leaning in gameplay yet.

[minor linden]

One big thing I am happy is not being brought back: tac sprint

[gaunt jungle]

it looks like BFV mechanics with BF4 pacing

[half halo]

This and no MacKay Grappling hook

[weary lake]

@minor linden agreed on tac sprint

[tepid plinth]

wasn't referred to in the log so it could still exist, but it makes sense given the new size of the maps

[covert nest]

Yeah when people use it it'll be caught on the best ways to use it and shit.

[minor linden]

That type of grappling hook wasn’t being brought back no matter what lol

[tepid plinth]

I'll be sure to jump up, kick back, flip around and spin the second I get my grubby hands on it

[covert nest]

Thing is

[woven horizon]

It kind of looked like bf5 exact running animations based off the vid

[covert nest]

As long as i can jumpshot.

[fleet robin]

anybody else notice this

[covert nest]

I'm not gonna cry.

[covert nest]

Nahh but I've noticed subtitles for squad mates when they need a revive.

[gaunt jungle]

I mean more in the sense that youre not power sliding all over the place like a coked up spidermonkey.

[mossy marten]

that scares people