battlefield-labs-discussion

[vague barn]

Like, yeah, I have no doubt that people have put C4 on quad bikes on top of skyscrapers in 2042 and rammed them into helicopters, but that's not representative of the actual experience as far as I have noticed on Hourglass, before or after the rework.

It just seems to me to be a desperate attempt at getting likes and upvotes, maybe build some hype.

Which doesn't appeal to me personally.

[pallid coral]

bro started placeholder texting 😭

[nimble bridge]

Notice how they don't show desert gameplay lol, people would think Hourglass is this urban map similar to Shangai or something. https://youtu.be/WomAGoEh-Ss

[vague barn]

Maybe part of why I don't mind the BF4 trailers for instance, is because when that released I was far less critical of games and their trailer practices, also haven't watched them since like 2015 ish.

[spice bramble]

Battlefield 4's trailer were MOSTLY gameplay, first and foremost

Like yeah, it was scripted, but still

[nimble bridge]

What matters is that everyone will be on the hype train again when they release next 10 seconds gameplay of next BF

[vague barn]

Yeah, the only portions of Hourglass shown to be in the desert seem to be centered on the non-guaranteed sandstorm and tornado.

[pallid coral]

that's when you'll really see the hyper analysis from those youtubers

20 minute videos on 10s clips

[nimble bridge]

[pallid coral]

8 minutes dedicated to stating the obvious, 2m for the sponsors and then 10m of slightly nuanced stuff

[vague barn]

Tbf, Arc has a point in this regard, because I spent way too much of my time rewatching the 10 or so seconds we got from the BF Labs announcement, trying to identify the weapon system and equipment.

I.e. overanalyzing.

[nimble bridge]

They are very careful to not show us anything which is kinda concerning

Everyone had an M4
Everyone wore the same camos

[vague barn]

Yeah, I only noticed two different weapon in the trailer which was the pseudo-M4 and RPG-7

Which are about as common as table salt.

[spice bramble]

SkizzleAXE, oh my god

Can't stand that dude, clickbaits the shit out of his videos

[vague barn]

Well, I guess also the M2HB and the Abrams main gun which I don't know the name of.

[spice bramble]

I'm not even sure if I can use swear words now tbh

[spice bramble]

Could it possibly be m1a1 hc?

Watched a Czech Youtuber that knows his stuff and that's what he labeled it

Although

[vague barn]

I am unsure, I'm not that good with vehicles, but it could very well be the HC.

[pallid coral]

doesnt that guy just post political videos now

[spice bramble]

Can older Abrams versions be retrofitted with RCWS?

Now that I looked the HC up, it's open top

Open top, I mean the gunner seat

[vague barn]

Well, yeah, but technically you can retrofit anything to have RCWS, so it's not a solid indicator for specific model.

[spice bramble]

Eh, they probably don't even know for sure what it is

Just label it Sep V3 and call it a day

[vague barn]

Tbh I doubt DICE has a good enough gun nerd in their employment to be able to make these distinctions or for us to make conclusive deductions from it.

[spice bramble]

Meh, doesn't matter anyway

BF's not War Thunder

[vague barn]

True, but as a qualified internet gun nerd, I like to engage in gunspotting just for the fun of it.

[versed token]

We used to have Alex

[spice bramble]

alex who?

[vague barn]

used to have
Indeed. Sad current state of affairs. :(

[spice bramble]

Who was he, genuinely don't know

Obviously a gun nerd

[vague barn]

He was the weapon designer for DICE if memory serves me right

Or like weapons lead or what the exact title was, idk.

[spice bramble]

When?

I assume you dont know

[vague barn]

I'm unsure of his exact tenure duration but I know he was at DICE for at least Season 4 of 2042.

[spice bramble]

Oh, I thought he was an OG

Not that it matters, of course

[vague barn]

Idk, he might very well have been.

I just crossed paths with him by chance in this Discord when Season 4 had just dropped.

[spice bramble]

Perhaps DICE has hired new talent

[vague barn]

Mayhaps

Kinda sucks because I remember sending some reference material to Alex just before he left.

[nimble bridge]

I know nothing about him except he appearently added AC9 to game because Dread asked him to lol, which is actually pretty cool

[vague barn]

Though tbf the Ak 5C was added after that, so who knows.

[versed token]

We got the deagle because of him

[vague barn]

RM68 as well as far as I am aware. He really liked bullpup rifles if memory serves me well.

[versed token]

Yee

[vague barn]

Yeah.

Man, what I would do to land a job as a weapons team lead at DICE.

[nimble bridge]

I still want T1 skins for portal guns

[spice bramble]

Did you try?

[vague barn]

T1 skins were pretty meh, so I don't care either way.

[spice bramble]

Also, are bullpups just guns that have magazine before the trigger?

[nimble bridge]

I do, because they give me an incentive to grind them

[spice bramble]

As a general rule of thumb?

[vague barn]

I have looked intensely at their careers page and found no hint of such a role :(

[vague barn]

And yes. Bullpups are firearms that have the fire control group located in front of the magazine, in simple terms.

[spice bramble]

Are you a software engineer? Or something of those sorts?

I know you said you are

Something IT related

But those terms aren't as distinct for me as they are for you

[nimble bridge]

P90 is also a bullpup despite not matching that criteria too tbh

[vague barn]

I'm an educated network technician with zero work experience.

So I have started looking at studying further, currently debating going to game dev programming "school" with a company that's partnered with DICE. Also dabble in UE5 occasionally.

[spice bramble]

What are the resposibilites of a weapons lead anyway?

Do they purely design them?

[vague barn]

I have no idea, but I would imagine it's a senior position that's not exclusive.

[mossy marten]

they make gun go "boom" in game

[spice bramble]

Well, obviously

I was just wondering if it's their job to program them too to some extent

[vague barn]

I haven't a clue.

[versed token]

If i remember correctly Alex had his hands in all parts of what makes a gun a gun

in the game

[mossy marten]

if they're a weapons lead, that must mean they mostly stick with the managerial stuff/designing and then delegate to the relevant programmers/artists/mechanical people to make them a reality

[vague barn]

Yeah, I'm guessing it's similar to project managerial role.

[spice bramble]

I wasn't too sure because roles do intertwine sometimes

[vague barn]

I'd imagine Alex had a background as something else though, so he'd have some responsibility to help out as needed, as opposed to just telling other people what to do.

[spice bramble]

I don't mean this in a wrong way, but I'm not sure if you'd be qualified, as of right now, to be a weapon designer

[vague barn]

Oh, absolutely not.

[spice bramble]

Goals must be set

[vague barn]

Yeah, goals are in place, it's the path there that needs to be figured out.

I basically studied to become a network technician to get work experience and a fallback occupation, in (the very likely case) that my game dev dreams have to be cancelled.

Unfortunately the job market for network technicians in my current region is about as dry as sub-Saharan Africa. So needless to say, things are not working out great.

[slender ocean]

oh

[spice bramble]

Have you considered going abroad

[slender ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-angry-gif-23085225

[spice bramble]

Or just Finland, Norway?

[versed token]

Where the heck do you live where it's that bad

[vague barn]

I have, but it's not a realistic opportunity because I have no guarantee of a job since I have literally no work experience and my "work experience" period during my studies was cancelled because there was no company that could take me on.

[vague barn]

Northern Sweden.

[versed token]

That explains it

[vague barn]

Yessir

[versed token]

[vague barn]

Oh well, time will tell how this turns out :')

[spice bramble]

Ask the reindeers for a hand

Program Santas routes or something

[vague barn]

I would, but I sold all of mine.

[spice bramble]

Poor financial decision

[vague barn]

Very.

[spice bramble]

Spend all your money on lottery tickets

One's bound to hit

[vague barn]

lmao no, I may be stupid, but I am not that stupid.

[spice bramble]

You don't see the VISION...

[vague barn]

I don't as much anymore, since I got medicated ;)

[spice bramble]

Wowzers

[vague barn]

Some people take drugs to have a trip, I stop taking mine to have one.

Hell of a lot more financially viable.

Tbh, I could probably just get a job as a nightguard at a military museum and stop taking my medications and have the time of my fucking life.

[zenith trout]

Did anyone else get an confirmation email? I need to know

[spice bramble]

It's highly confidential, might get us arrested

[vague barn]

As far as anyone is aware, there have only been emails confirming that you have applied, i.e. no admission emails yet.

[zenith trout]

I know that I’m just asking if anyone else got it

[vague barn]

I can neither confirm nor deny that eventuality.

[zenith trout]

[spice bramble]

Oh I read it as "got in"

you had my hopes up there for a little bit

[zenith trout]

[nimble bridge]

I won't get one anyways

[spice bramble]

Reverse psychology

[zenith trout]

Shit well playtests are supposed to occurring shortly so 🤞

[spice bramble]

And we know how INTELLIGENT people are as not to leak anything, right?

[hallow escarp]

should the next battlefield have

[vague barn]

I will neither confirm nor deny that eventuality.

[zenith trout]

Is that even a question?

[nimble bridge]

People will start streaming it day -241 lol

[spice bramble]

Why would YOU confirm it...

Means you must know something

[vague barn]

Or does it? 🤔

[spice bramble]

I'll lock you up in my basement if you don't spill the beans

Maybe find you a job there

[vague barn]

Change of scenery could be nice.

[spice bramble]

Can't wait to receive an email on tuesday morning, just for it to be an advertisement for the newly opened kebab shop

[vague barn]

Best of luck.

[zenith trout]

All I care about if the game is actually good

[versed token]

Probably won't be in Pre-Alpha

[spice bramble]

It will indicate the direction

Of Battlefield

Gameplays wise, obviously not good in that state

[zenith trout]

https://tenor.com/view/nicki-minaj-call-of-duty-nicki-minaj-gif-14410528107861639658

I hope they don’t direct the franchise to this

[spice bramble]

i hope they do

[vague barn]

Shut up, fishy-boi.

[nimble bridge]

You could say ''playtime's over when Nicki drops in''

[spice bramble]

you shut it pops

(mods, joke, dont ban!!)

[vague barn]

👴

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-prison-realm-sealed-mods-gif-17674603596758967110

[gilded merlin]

That was weeeeird

[half halo]

Good day Everyone, so, we continue falling into madness yeah?

[rustic crest]

Yeah 🤣🤣 We all wanna play a new battlefield 🥺🥺

[half halo]

I played BFV this morning, I was on Merkur and nobody moved an inch... It was sniper fest and AA-tank Galore.

It was miserable

Thankfully, the game after that on Al Marj was great

[nimble bridge]

I was just playing underground 24/7 while I used to play BFV lol

[spice bramble]

I just blindfired a spotting flare into a dude and killed him

insane

[heady thorn]

[nimble bridge]

Appearently the reason why 2042 didn't looked as good as BF1 or V is because they didn't use photogrammetry

Most likely due to time constraints

Hopefully next game fixes that

[cursive ridge]

[grim siren]

[gaunt flume]

[half halo]

[mossy marten]

[heady thorn]

[spare zephyr]

[half halo]

Well well well, look Who it is

[half halo]

BATTLEFIELD

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

TLEFIELDBAT

[twin fractal]

Time constraints and covid meant they couldn't use their photogrammetry studio as much as they'd like. It required them to use a lot of older assets that lacked consist art style or visual intent

[feral garden]

2042s assets and the engine it used look better than BFV IMO. The maps and decoration was/is just bad/bland or missing.

[rough remnant]

bf1 had really good artstyle but bf2042 is superior in terms of real polygons etc im sure

[fleet robin]

yeah 2042 just fumbled the tone and atmosphere completely

but in terms of actual graphics it's better

[feral garden]

The foliage systems in the newer engine are so much better than BFV. It has insane amounts of grass pop in even at max settings.

[mossy marten]

At least visibility isn't as shite as bfv

[manic gate]

and was rushed

[feral garden]

Yeah, all of the above are a symptom of it being rushed.

[zenith trout]

Well I’m glad they’re going back to smaller dense maps for the next game

[vague barn]

I'm very torn on the matter of what type of maps would be desirable in the next game. I don't settle for just saying "I want good maps", as that contributes so little to the discussion, and is quite an obvious statement.

On the one hand, there's plenty of urban style maps I would like to see, centered around for example a mall or large warehouse. On the other hand, I also would like to see more rural maps; trenchlines in forests, dense rainforests, etc.

It's difficult to "construct" a mental image of maps I would like to see, but stuff like suburban areas are exceptionally interesting to me.

[spark talon]

GTA V Enhanced preload on steam now!

[spice bramble]

Hear me our. A map only made out of red containers.

[grim jewel]

good lord theyre selling another version of gta5?

[vague barn]

[spice bramble]

Its free

[spark talon]

Free upodate. Raytracing.

[grim jewel]

oh good

[vague barn]

I also wouldn't mind seeing a game mode that progresses over several maps, similar to grand operations from BFV.

[zenith trout]

Well apparently there’s apparently gonna be maps set in New York, Downtown LA, I also found coordinates on the BF labs page that’s leads to China.

[vague barn]

Oh what I would do for a online multiplayer campaign mode similar to Red Orchestra 2/Rising Storm (2).

[vague barn]

Nice, hopefully we don't have exclusively skyscrapers though.

[spice bramble]

Is it apparent?

[zenith trout]

Leaks and rumors

[zenith trout]

Of NY and LA yes but China I found on my own

[feral garden]

Well the studio trailer shows a glimpse of a map with a modern cars, a partially destroyed highway and overpass, with USA road signs. 53 seconds in this video (Which not many have watched)

https://youtu.be/SVrwg4RmWm0?si=5LdB27bb0QfTorHK

[vague barn]

Very nice.

[spice bramble]

Looks like the Egypt map to me

[zenith trout]

I think that’s one is called Eastwood if I’m not mistaken

[zenith trout]

I found the NY one here https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/DQlo0loZ1s

[feral garden]

I think maps the size of BFVs Rotterdam are a perfect size. Bring back multi-level elevation based maps, not just large maps.

[spice bramble]

Launch with 10 Panzerstorms and we re golden

[vague barn]

Is that the one with the church in the middle?

Sort of semi-destroyed town.

[zenith trout]

[feral garden]

Pearl Market from BF4, but a bit larger and not so cramped would also be nice. I really like maps like Siege of Shanghai also. Lots of elevation, car garages, underpasses to fight through.

[zenith trout]

Siege of Shanghai is arguably the worst map in bf history, idc what you guys say

[hallow escarp]

january 23rd?

[vague barn]

ok.

[feral garden]

Na, your opinion is wrong. Siege is a series fan favorite

[feral garden]

This is Rotterdam, you are thinking of Devastation

https://youtu.be/YNJDKbolutQ?si=YCdK73QIGu0_2Vlr

[spice bramble]

Caspians the worst

Eveyone knows that

[zenith trout]

Siege was garbage

[vague barn]

Ohh, that one. Yeah, that one is pretty good size wise but a touch too built up for my liking.

[spice bramble]

you probably like rogue transmission

[vague barn]

There's lots of verticality on it, which is nice, but just doesn't scratch my itch.

[feral garden]

Repeating the same bad opinion wont make it true. Youre entitled to yours, but im entitled to call it wrong

[vague barn]

Man, I would kill for a Grand Operation progressing deeper into a city each day.

Rural, suburbs, urban.

[zenith trout]

Shanghai’s leveloution event was peak tho even i have to agree with that

[feral garden]

It was trash, and makes the map worse.

[vague barn]

The duality of man.

[feral garden]

Bro is wrong on so many levels

[manic gate]

*metro

[feral garden]

If something looks cool, but makes gameplay after it bad, said thing is bad.

[zenith trout]

What map in your opinion had the best leveloution event besides Shanghai?

[vague barn]

The tower falling down does hinder gameplay enjoyment imo.

[fleet robin]

it hinders gameplay for almost everyone

nobody likes C after the building comes down

[feral garden]

Most of the levelution events were cool looking, but bad for the levels.

[fleet robin]

yet people glaze it like there's no tomorrow because it looks cool for 10 seconds

[manic gate]

hope they don't take much inspiration from that and BC2's level everything to the ground

[feral garden]

Paracel storms is OK, cos it looks great, and also adds something to the flag it affects (An extramounted turet on the crashed ship)

[fleet robin]

paracel storm is prob one of my favorites

[zenith trout]

It’s need to be like bf3 destruction mix it in with a little of BC2 destruction

[manic gate]

-# (I never played BF4 so I'm taking my opinion on that from gameplay videos )

[vague barn]

Huh, that's actually rather surprising.

[feral garden]

Well BF4 did come out 12 years ago

[manic gate]

I had a 360 at the time

[vague barn]

No it didn't.

[feral garden]

Lots of people here were probably 4-8 years old when it arrived

[fleet robin]

don't remind me

[vague barn]

That statement makes me feel old, therefore I reject it as false. /s

[fleet robin]

it's so wild hearing people say they haven't played very popular and well known titles

[zenith trout]

I would like real time dynamic destruction for the next bf game

[vague barn]

In the words of Adam Savage; I reject your reality and substitute my own.

[manic gate]

it was borderline unplayable on the 360

[fleet robin]

what do you mean by this

[zenith trout]

It’s not scripted

[fleet robin]

like in the finals?

never happening ever

[feral garden]

Maybe in 50 years

[fleet robin]

the only reason the finals can do destruction like that is because their maps are like 1% of a battlefield map

[manic gate]

So I returned and stuck with BO2 and swapped ghosts with a friend with a different game I had I don't remember

[feral garden]

And its like 6 player max.

[zenith trout]

Idk cause the gameplay teaser looked like it had dynamic destruction

[rough remnant]

we had bad company 2 tho with cardboard box houses who could be flattened

[fleet robin]

and even then it struggled a lot with performance at times, i can't imagine trying to do that sort of stuff in battlefield

[manic gate]

but I was sort of feeling burnt out on the modern setting at the time anyways

[fleet robin]

unfortunately we can confirm right now it doesn't

[feral garden]

Peopel dont even know what they are asking for when they say they want dynamic destruction.

[fleet robin]

if the franchise still exists in a few decades maybe it'll happen

[vague barn]

People ask for a lot of stuff they don't know what actually is.

[manic gate]

Not very dynamic, but again it's 'in-dev footage' so I won't make a final judgement over it

[feral garden]

Shoot rocket at building > part of building you shot explodes and a piece is destroyed, falling away.

This is what 99% of people would call dynamic destruction

[manic gate]

It can if they go down the Fortnite route

As in, massively push UGC

BF Forge basically I'm meaning

[grave mango]

Reminded me of a battlefield 1 version , but with a modern look to it

[feral garden]

Fortnites money isnt made with UGC tho

[grave mango]

Destruction wise

[vague barn]

M-map editor, please

[manic gate]

They bring in alot of players though, players stay and interact with 'experiences' and feel further pushed to invest more in the game

Just look at all the celebrity collabs they did, those had their own cosmetics

[manic gate]

This is what I hope the supposed 'Portal 2.0' has at the least

ea's ceo has been repeatedly alluding to that in calls too

[feral garden]

Do they tho? My mates play random user made content maybe once a month, 99% of their time spent is in the main mode

[manic gate]

well that's anecdotal, my friends spend alot of time on the UGC stuff to the point where I have to beg them to play a few rounds of the normal BR

[vague barn]

That would be extremely pleasant, and probably extend the game's lifetime quite extensively.

[feral garden]

What UGC stuff specifically?

there is very little high quality UGC content, thats not skinned branded crap

[vague barn]

I'm guessing UGC is User Generated Content, aka mods?

[zenith trout]

EA did put a job list early last year for an VFX director and it mentioned “Most Realistic Destruction Effects” and I’m pretty sure it’s for the next bf

[manic gate]

Those arena experiences or 'this gun only' kind of modes

[manic gate]

yeah

[zenith trout]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/s/g55SkD2Vzg here’s the link

[fleet robin]

doesn't really mean anything, that's like the most vague generic job description you could pick

[manic gate]

I mean job vacancy descriptions are always kind of like that

[fleet robin]

what's a fact is that the finals-like destruction will not happen in battlefield at any point in the next like 20 years

the finals struggles enough as is and the maps are tiny with 9 players

[vague barn]

Ah, very neato. Yeah, as a sort-of semi-half maybe-sometimes modder for Arma, I know UGC can make a big difference in how long a game can maintain appeal. Admittedly Arma 3 mod tools are like actively trying to prevent you from using them to their full extent, but Reforger has a lot going for it.

[manic gate]

I've been trying to get a new part-time and so many companies glaze their cashier or restocker position like you must have alot of experience with it and you're doing something that's very impactful

[mossy marten]

The finals level of destruction is not suitable for a BF game tbh

[zenith trout]

It could happen tho

[fleet robin]

it can't

[manic gate]

Sounds like a cool future

Extreme performance machines are extremely affordable for the masses

[zenith trout]

Finals destruction for the next bf game sounds crazy and there chalking old gen consoles for the next game

[manic gate]

But finals level destruction would be awful

[vague barn]

I looked at The Finals very superficially but the one thing I took away from that glance was that everything was destructible. That does not make for an enjoyable experience in a game with very heavy vehicles with depleted uranium projectors and explosive devices.

Maybe it's just me, but I would rather there be some structural integrity in games.

[feral garden]

Its literally not technically possible to do destruction like that on bigger maps, and with more than 10 players ATM

[manic gate]

wake me up when finals has a tdm mode with shorter ttk

[vague barn]

I'll wake you up in a few millenia.

[manic gate]

[fleet robin]

yep, destruction in the finals is very limited, only a few gadgets can cause significant destruction and they're class restricted

in battlefield the whole map would be levelled and map design becomes irrelevant

[vague barn]

Exactly. You need to have some permanent pieces of cover.

[feral garden]

The type of destruction BF already is capable of is more than fine

[fleet robin]

seriously, we don't need super realistic accurate procedural whatever the fuck

battlefield can fake it well enough

[manic gate]

hope labs isn't like that, my PC would be cooked

If it wasn't already

[fleet robin]

dw it's not possible

but rest assured they'll find other ways to make performance horrible

[vague barn]

"but it is possible"

"they're not including old-gen consoles in the next game"

[zenith trout]

If they do the finals like destruction then I would be happy, I’m not saying for other people tho

[vague barn]

Oh, my predictions were incorrect.

[vague barn]

You might be happy, but let me tell ya, your PC would not be.

[zenith trout]

😂

[feral garden]

Destruction wise, the only real difference in the type of destruction that can be done in finals, that isnt done in BF is destroying roofs and floors. And they deliberately dont allow that in BF for design and balance.

[vague barn]

Has anyone here played Arma Reforger's Avdiivka map (a community made map)?

[fleet robin]

unfortunately not but the game is on my wishlist

[vague barn]

If I am thinking of the right map, it's a really good town map with outlying points of interest.

I realize I am likely to get a lot of people snarling at me, but I do sort of hope for something along those lines in the next BF game. Maybe slightly smaller, but same format.

[feral garden]

Well hopefully the game Ripple Effect are working on can use large POI based maps

[vague barn]

Yours truly is going to sleep.

Enjoy your evenings, mornings, afternoons, nights, 1920's, halloweens, new years, christmas, midsummer, etc

[zenith trout]

It’s gonna be an F2P BR

[half halo]

Have a good Sleep! 🙂

[fleet robin]

you might as well have heard this in a dream

[zenith trout]

It’s obvious

[fleet robin]

it really isn't

[zenith trout]

EA wants that 🤑

[manic gate]

Very likely to be

Read what bsod said again

Why else would you hire the original director of Warzone

[indigo pebble]

you never played bad company 2 then

[mossy marten]

nope, but being able to fully level buildings is excessive and ruins map flow

[tall urchin]

BC2 was notorious for having maps break because of destruction eliminating opportunities to defend caps lol

[indigo pebble]

well it worked for bad company 2 becaus the finals was devs from bc2 and idsay it ws one of the best battlefields

[tall urchin]

Any MCOM in a building was a guaranteed cap

[indigo pebble]

yea but add he bfv build mode with the bc2 destruction and you got somthign there

[tall urchin]

No, because destruction is far easier to do than fortify.

[heady thorn]

I don't remember it working well on some BC2 maps ngl, some eventually just became flat and there wasnt anything left

[indigo pebble]

jsut means ya gotta take that sniper else where

[tall urchin]

Yeah you either just got levelled at a distance and you could no longer disarm MCOMs because you had no cover, or the MCOM would be destroyed when the building collapsed

[indigo pebble]

it was not flat you could hide inside the broken building and use the remains as cover

dropping a building still compkeates your objective

ouch my spelling

[heady thorn]

When everything can be destroyed to rubble with not a lot of cover left, that is not a good thing. You have to factor in everything from gadgets, vehicles, height of terrain around etc. There is so much to it.

There be should be buildings & such that have an inner-structures that can't be completely blown up.

[tall urchin]

Yeah that's my point, you can't defend a point that was inside a multi level building because you could just shoot the building to destroy the point. That just meant a tank or heli could sit near uncap and shoot into the obj for a free cap.

It ruined maps having no solid structures.

Hell I remember that map you could even knife one of the structure support pillars and it'd instagib the building for an instant cap.

[hallow escarp]

im trying to figure where the usa road signs are

[wispy dagger]

And a return of fortifications

[tall urchin]

You'd need fortifications to be Fortnite tier of speed in order to make it effective, which would defeat the point of the game.

Much easier to just have a good level of destruction but keep good map design by retaining certain structures as not fully destructible.

[wispy dagger]

How do you figure

Battlefield V had fortifications pretty balanced I feel

[nimble bridge]

So shipment from CoD?

[nimble bridge]

People just want to turn map into a flat minecraft template, gameplay? Who cares. Destruction? Everything they see should be destructible.

[nimble bridge]

BFV didn't had BC2 tier destruction, although it was more advanced than BF1 or 2042 or 4

[covert nest]

Bf5 maps could be rendered bare but fortifications would literally allow for the reconstruction of what's needed.

It made the maps feel more alive.

[pallid coral]

ofc they're asking for what THE FINALS has

[steel torrent]

any news about the testing? did anyone ever got anything? what's going on? lol

[fleet robin]

nope

[cursive ridge]

Even if they did, can't tell ya. Under NDA.

[mild girder]

Be patient lol

[vague barn]

but i dont like hospitals :(

[mild girder]

[steel torrent]

i can't lol

[limber timber]

[half halo]

[indigo pebble]

thats why they put some they could not fully destroy

[vague barn]

I really, really hope suppressors are given an overhaul in the next game to actually make them worthwhile, especially when compared to 2042.

The reduced muzzle velocity, from what I gather, is something that keeps people from actually using them.

Not to mention the 2042 distinction between "light" and "heavy" suppressors basically annihilating their viability at every imaginable range. Imo they should differ only in visual appearance.

I think a decent compromise would be having suppressors increase recoil/decrease controllability, remove the tracer component from fired bullets, and give complete minimap stealth when firing, regardless of range.

Integrally suppressed weapons though should have a reduced muzzle velocity since subsonic muzzle velocities are pretty much always guaranteed for integrally suppressed weapons. Maybe give them a larger "uncertainty" angle in the victim damage indicator.

[plain bluff]

holy crap those suppressors are really living rent free in your head huh

[vague barn]

Yessir.

I love suppressors, as my display name might hint at.

[ebon beacon]

Increase recoil, just like real life right?

[vague barn]

Increase recoil to "emulate" overgassing. Since we unfortunately can't blow gas in the player's face, I settled for that as a substitute.

[versed token]

You can definitely do that

They do it in cod

[vague barn]

How would you like to see it done?

[versed token]

1:1 cod style where every gun is overgassed apparently

[vague barn]

I'm not familiar with how COD does, well, anything, so.

[nimble bridge]

Every weapon class in 2042 already has a good suppressed weapon already

MP9 for SMGs
DFR for LMGs
AK5C for ARs
BSVM for DMRs

[vague barn]

Well... Yeah, but my point still stands. The decreased muzzle velocity and reduced damage output make the heavy suppressors such an unattractive option to the extent no one uses them that much.

[nimble bridge]

Weapons I listed has same TTK with big supps as they have with other muzzle options

[vague barn]

They exist, but they're not exactly a worthwhile option.

Are we taking into consideration using subsonic rounds?

[nimble bridge]

Yep

MP9 has 289ms TTK with subsonic, also has 289ms TTK with subsonic and type 4

PB is useless but Type 4 is very useful

[vague barn]

Maybe it has changed from when I last tried it, but in my experience the heavy suppressors made the weapons useless since they reduced the range of the weapons to a range where the suppressors no longer gave minimap stealth.

[nimble bridge]

Well depends on the weapon

Some weapons will just have less damage with big supps

[vague barn]

Even if the TTK is the same though, the decreased muzzle velocity and subsequently increased bullet drop make their choice questionable.

[nimble bridge]

Weapons I listed still has same TTK/BTK with big supps

Bullet drop doesn't matter unless you are using snipers

Muzzle velocity matters though

[vague barn]

Bullet drop does matter, especially if you're using DMRs though I will admit with ARs or SMGs it's a negligible factor.

However, since I mostly use DMRs, that's where most of my experience is.

[nimble bridge]

Well yeah they matter in DMRs

Honestly I bet next game will have so much 💩ty ways to spot players ranging from 3D spotting to TUGS to pokeballs to drones anyways so not like suppressors will matter lol

Supps only mattered in BFV

[vague barn]

Speaking of T-UGS; I would prefer they had a maximum tracked targets limit.

Like closest 4 people are the only ones to be tracked.

Pokeballs, I use extensively, but I admit that those are way too powerful (at least in BF4).

[nimble bridge]

I prefer tugs because pokeballs can expire

[vague barn]

Maybe it's because I play recce class very aggressively, but I find the motion sensor balls to be more useful.

[spice bramble]

Suppressors shouldnt exist kid

they better be gone

[vague barn]

Suppressors definitely should exist.

The amount of fun I have with them, is beyond the comprehension of mere mortals.

[spice bramble]

another reason for them not to exist

[vague barn]

Not really. Suppressors have several use cases.

[spice bramble]

Yap it out

[vague barn]

Flanking, ambushes, to name two.

Which, tbh, are countered rather easily.

[spice bramble]

I was hoping you'd know I was just trying to annoy you

[vague barn]

Fission Mailed.

[spice bramble]

nuclear fission?

[vague barn]

Sure.

[spice bramble]

hey

[vague barn]

whatareyoudoing

[spice bramble]

nothing

[vague barn]

I was making a reference to DCS: World.

But nice, none the less, have you considered doing something?

[spice bramble]

no

[vague barn]

Alrighty-tighty.

[spice bramble]

Just waiting to mark down March 4th on my calendar as the day of disappointment

[vague barn]

Make sure to keep your permanent marker close

[spice bramble]

hobbyist

[vague barn]

gibson

[spice bramble]

hobbyist

[vague barn]

gibson

[spice bramble]

bro

[vague barn]

sis

[spice bramble]

hobbyist

[vague barn]

gibson

[spice bramble]

i forgot

[vague barn]

Good.

Anyways.

I do hope the next game does not have machine pistols universally available.

[spice bramble]

hobbyist

[vague barn]

gooberson

[spice bramble]

i cant do this anymore

just a drip of some neeeeeews

[vague barn]

Alright, I can give you a recipe for cyanide if you'd like.

[spice bramble]

delete, mods ban ban

[vague barn]

Nah.

ANYWAYS.

[spice bramble]

no

[vague barn]

Machine pistol sidearms, big no-no in my book.

They just become the universal go-to for everyone.

Or at least limit them to a specific class with a limited ammunition capacity.

Sort of like Hardline did it with limiting fully automatic pistols to professional class.

[spice bramble]

oooookay

No but I never used machine pistols

Found them useless personally

[vague barn]

The amount of people who run G18 in BF4 is actually criminal.

[spice bramble]

Dunno I barely used it

[limpid relic]

how about no. Just get good. If you are complaining about a side arm then there is a personal problem in a battlefield game for you.

[swift grove]

Any eta for live playtest?

[fervent eagle]

start in 5 minutes

[vague barn]

You must've misunderstood me. I do not mean to say that I have an issue with the weapon itself, I have an issue with it being practically the only sidearm that people use. I'd rather not have to deal with the same sidearm every single time.

[pallid coral]

Why people be jumping others for just discussing 😭

This community has sunk hard

[vague barn]

Maybe I am the exception rather than the rule, but I prefer some variety in weapons, including sidearms.

I'm just not crazy about the idea of having a pocket SMG as a sidearm.

[tepid plinth]

I’d say it’s fair enough to not want them

[vague barn]

But, realizing that some people are reliant on having fully automatic sidearms to get them out of a tight spot, I find it more worthwhile to suggest them be limited to a specific class instead.

[feral garden]

I honestly can't remember them doing much balancing of the sidearms in 2042.

[vague barn]

I think they "nerfed" the G57 at some point. Don't quote me on that though as I have no immediately available proof of that.

[covert nest]

Yeah they did.

No longer 4hk and messed with the spread.

[vague barn]

Then I seem to recall correctly — hooray.

[feral garden]

You could still balance the sidearms more by making some/most fo the others better. More damage, ETC

I feel like a good way to balance sidearms would also be faster and lower ADS speeds, then limiting the available attachments/upgradeability of semi-autos

[covert nest]

G57 was pushed to real stupid levels by giving it a drum mag and 35+1 rounds.

Ease of use is good but that just pushed it to unhealthy levels of ease.

[feral garden]

Example using 2042...make the semi auto Glock only have an 11 round mag, with 19 per bullet damage, while making something like the M1911 have a max mag size of 14, with per bullet damage of 24

[covert nest]

I don't mind the concept of the drum as long as there's some sort of balance. For the scar its literally equivalent to a standard extended mag (and works within the context of the weapon)

[nimble bridge]

G57 doesn't even have the best TTK

Deagle has

2 shot kill in 20 meters

One taps to the head too

[feral garden]

It's way easier for the average player to use tho.

[nimble bridge]

I use G57 though because it's fun, especially if I'm playing as a sniper

[covert nest]

I'm not talking about ttk it's just super mega easy to use.

[nimble bridge]

Deagle is spam cannon

All of it's recoil is visual

[covert nest]

Outside of point blank nope nope nope

[nimble bridge]

G57 is useless at range too

[spice bramble]

Aren't most sidearms

Besides the Deagle

[nimble bridge]

M44 is a pocket sniper

[covert nest]

It's not a bad weapon but quite simply you'll be out aimed by ranged weapons.

[nimble bridge]

One taps to the head up to 100 meters

[spice bramble]

M44 has the drawback of having slower firerate, though

[nimble bridge]

Yeah

Rex is as good as both deagle and M44 though

One taps to the head up to 50 meters with similar TTK to Deagle

Only issue is lack of sight options

[covert nest]

Desert Eagle invalidates armour and has a laser sight.

60 damage versus 50.

[nimble bridge]

True, but still

I would've used Rex if it had a red dot

Pocket sniper and a deagle at the same package

[covert nest]

Monkey mashing the desert Eagle or any side arm asides from the high rpm side arms won't get you far.

I've made that horrible mistake when drunk many times.

[nimble bridge]

Just aim slightly lower parts of their chest

[covert nest]

I main the p125 and the laugo alien and primarily use them for hipfire.

[nimble bridge]

That's what I did with deagle

2 taps consistently

[covert nest]

Monkey mashing beyond point blank reasonably just hasn't worked in my favour.

[feral garden]

These are the first 2 times I've heard that phrase 😅

[hoary sinew]

😂👍

[nimble bridge]

People who complain about G57 obviously haven't played 2142 btw

In 2142 support had an OP SMG secondary that was better than assault rifles

People were using support to play with SMG

[feral garden]

People dont complain about it. I dont also, but I do wish it didnt make other options irrelevant

[heady trail]

eww skate, give me battlefield

[tall urchin]

M44 is my baby, Deagle feels too cheesy

Also that visual recoil is disgusting

[sage geyser]

gn

[silver cedar]

No cheesy dialogue but angel is fine to have him as a Easter egg

[signal vigil]

Would rather be playing battlefield labs than watching the Oscar’s

[zenith trout]

I heard that March 4th we’re getting something from bf labs

Maybe an invitation

[wispy dagger]

We’ll see

[mossy marten]

March 4th is just an upload for bf labs to EA app/origin/website
It doesn't mean anything atm

[zenith trout]

We don’t know that for sure tho

We’ll see what happens

[half halo]

Well anyway, Marche 3rd will Mark 1 month exactly since the registrations opened

[mossy marten]

And then another month of waiting will await us

[half halo]

They Said Weeks, Let's hope it's not another month 😭

[nimble bridge]

[mossy marten]

We'll be waiting until

[half halo]

[mossy marten]

117 years should be fine for a perfect launch right?

[serene prism]

How much memory space do you think the new GTA will need?

[nimble bridge]

350 gbs

[jolly hedge]

Hello guys. I'm new here. Any news about the playtest. Stupid EA said in few weeks.

[mild girder]

Well, just wait a few more weeks

[pallid coral]

this is still under a few weeks relative to their development cycle

also who knows, maybe they've already started 🤷 we wouldnt know unless theres some transparency from ea's side on this

[rapid fox]

They have not. My guess is that invites will be send this week but who knows

[pallid coral]

4th march

[rapid fox]

Well that's the build release date

They could start testing tomorrow with invites sent today

Or release a build tomorrow and test it for a week more

[pallid coral]

1 day to inform people sounds like something they wouldn't do

[rapid fox]

They have also been very calm since I dropped that reddit post 😦

[rapid fox]

Why not? You have been invited come and play

[pallid coral]

which post

[rapid fox]

Playtests last for weeks

[rapid fox]

The 4th march post

[pallid coral]

ah then its fair, i dont know cuz ive never playtested ea games b4

[pallid coral]

are you the api man

[rapid fox]

Yes

[pallid coral]

oh 😂

[rapid fox]

Yeah well

[balmy hawk]

[nimble bridge]

2 more weeks

[rapid fox]

How so?

[nimble bridge]

It's a meme

[rapid fox]

Also keep in mind that I have not seen console builds. Based on skate playtests I saw, they should be published as well

[rapid fox]

Ah

[mortal yoke]

Huh, how do you know? Did they say anywhere?

[feral garden]

*a release builds date.

[rapid fox]

Yeah something like that....

btw they have for some reason moved build date to 14 utc today

[mortal yoke]

So good chance that on march 4th we get something?

[covert nest]

No one knows.

[rapid fox]

No one knows.

[covert nest]

What the fuck

[rapid fox]

HAHA

[covert nest]

I fucking blinked man

[rapid fox]

I would say chances are high we will get something this week

[mortal yoke]

Well can only hope we do

yeah think so as well

[rapid fox]

They have prepared everything they could now, and now the build, so there will be nothing stopping for starting the tests

[mortal yoke]

praying i get an invite

[tepid plinth]

well one things for sure - we will know when they start because people online can't keep their traps shut

details will leak regardless of how tight knit they want to keep it

[rapid fox]

Facts

[wispy dagger]

They know this too

[zenith trout]

Im thinking that if you got an confirmation email then you’re good to go

Cause I did

[mortal yoke]

Did not everyone get one of those?

[zenith trout]

Not everyone

[mortal yoke]

Huh weird

[fleet robin]

we don't know because some were delayed

and because that email is completely under nda, so many people aren't going around saying that they got it

[half halo]

I'm sure you all have received an invitation anyway and are pretending you don't know

[vague barn]

I will neither confirm or deny that possibility.

[rapid fox]

If anybody is interested in random non needed info, new bf labs build size is 42.52Gb.

[vague barn]

This is exactly the kind of useless information that I live for. Thank you, Armour Piercing Incendiary Man.

[rapid fox]

lol!

[nimble bridge]

Not me, I'm not in

[half halo]

So that means yes, got it

[half halo]

Thanks for the info!

Not that I would be chosen anyway, I'm never lucky

[mortal yoke]

Well it says “Dont talk about it” But i didnt sign anything so i dont think that equates to an actual NDA right?

[fleet robin]

you signed a lot of things when you created a playtesting account

[mortal yoke]

Oh ive had the playtesting account for years so didnt think of that yeah

[fleet robin]

all playtesting communications can't be shared as per the tos

yeah a lot of people overlook that

[mortal yoke]

But is that not what happened with 2042 before release when gameplay leaked? playtests that were sort of under NDA

[half halo]

Yes and they were Taken down

[fleet robin]

yeah ofc people will leak it regardless, but the idea is that they don't

[half halo]

And their EA playtesting account terminated

[rapid fox]

You did sign when applying for playtest

[half halo]

Technically, EA could take legal actions against those leaking

[rapid fox]

Also for wondering: I'm 90% sure invites could only start since this build is now released

[half halo]

[rapid fox]

Technically yes, but everything I leak is open lol

You can find this if you try

[half halo]

API the goat

[rapid fox]

And EA has ability to close this data but they didn't

[fleet robin]

yeah they reserve the right to pound you entirely with legal action but normally it's not that deep

[half halo]

I meant leaking footage and studf

[rapid fox]

Ah this thing

Yes

[half halo]

Nothing against you API man 🙂

[rapid fox]

But it will most likely result in playtesting permaban

[half halo]

Yep

[mortal yoke]

Is playtest build gonna be on EA app or steam as well?

[fleet robin]

good question

i have a feeling it'll be only on ea

easier to control

[vague barn]

More than likely EA app, I doubt they would release a test build to Steam.

[rapid fox]

Yeah it is EA App only. Didn't find any mentions of Steam

Unlike Skate playtest btw

[mortal yoke]

Too bad dont like it very much

[nimble bridge]

People will start streaming as soon as playtests begins lol

[fleet robin]

they'll probably have people on watch 24/7 to take down streams and videos

[vague barn]

Jesper, I have a quick question for you.

[fleet robin]

that's what another game i was playtesting did

[vague barn]

Är herrn medborgare i Svea Rike?

[mortal yoke]

Nope im Dutch

Not Scandinavian

[rapid fox]

Facts

[half halo]

That would be the best thing to do tbh

[vague barn]

Huh, interesting.

[half halo]

With thousands of playtesters

[vague barn]

neuken in de koiken.

[mortal yoke]

exactly neuken in de keuken

[vague barn]

👍

[half halo]

Totally neuken in de keuken

I don't even know what I'm saying

[fleet robin]

ja

[mortal yoke]

You think? with thousands of playtesters so much videos are gonna come out i think its very unrealistic that theyll be able to control it very well

[fleet robin]

i don't think they'll just let it happen

[vague barn]

They may not smite the offenders immediately, but I am virtually certain that they will be smitten.

[fleet robin]

but at the same time, i think they've accepted that footage will undoubtedly be leaked no matter what they do

no way around it with so many playtesters

especially considering how many of them can't even read an email in its entirety

[mortal yoke]

Just hope its gonna be good

[vague barn]

Agreed, my swamp-german friend.

[mortal yoke]

2042 seemed so good before release and then it was kinda bad

[fleet robin]

well

[vague barn]

It probably won't be that good though, at least not during the playtesting, since it's still pre-alpha.

[fleet robin]

even in 2042 there were lots of hints

looking back we could already see the game would have some form of specialists, very open maps, etc

[half halo]

Well those who leaked it on Reddit are probably already crossed from the list

[mortal yoke]

Was there? i remember that the hype for 2042 was like a lot

[rapid fox]

That was the point yes

[fleet robin]

yeah lmao "hey guys did anyone else get this email?"

DO NOT SHARE in bright red

[fleet robin]

yep, people mostly just didn't notice it or ignored it because dice was appealing to the nostalgia very hard

[half halo]

I remember when the alpha happened, I wasn't impressed but still gave benefit of the doubt for the beta, played the beta and was kind of disappointed

[vague barn]

Remember chaps, Glomar Response is the only response.

[half halo]

Exactly 😂😂

[half halo]

GLOMAR

[vague barn]

Yessir.

[half halo]

[mortal yoke]

I just hope theyll have fixed the feeling of like aiming that they messed up in 2042

felt like just a little off or something

like delayed

[rapid fox]

People: checking website for invite
Skate playtest:

[mortal yoke]

and inconsistent

[fleet robin]

yeah 2042 has had input problems since launch

[half halo]

I swear, I'm playing BFV and MWIII a lot these days and whenever I hop on BF2042, it feels so clunky and sluggish, it's like I never played an FPS before

[half halo]

Pretty much lol

[mortal yoke]

Exactly the game just feels clunky

doesnt feel like smooth at all

[fleet robin]

such a downgrade from bfv

really sad, i was sure the game would at least FEEL good, because surely they already learned how to get it right in bfv

[mortal yoke]

Wonder if theyll get it out next year

probably depends a lot on gta 6 and whether that comes out this year

[fleet robin]

for sure

repeating myself a lot now, but i have a feeling they're gonna wait for gta to have a release date and then do the opposite of that

we saw that ubisoft had no issue delaying ac shadows to avoid the clutter of releases

[vague barn]

I don't quite understand the hype around GTA 6... Like, yeah, GTA 6 is probably gonna be a decent game, but people act like it's the second coming of Christ or something.

[fleet robin]

gta 5 was huge, so it's only natural

[mortal yoke]

It probably will be compared to the standard of games we have now

[fleet robin]

and rockstar impressed people a lot with rdr2, so hype only went up from there

[mortal yoke]

if it isnt gonna be like amazing and revolutionary its not gonna be good enough for rockstar

[plain bluff]

the pitiful state of gta5 online is one of the bigger reasons why gta6 is anticipated. the second being newgen software

itll likely be miles better than 5. plus R* has seemingly been making car models very akin to IRL counterparts, so there's that

[steel torrent]

Basically, everytime a GTA is released, it revolutionates the industry, pushes devs to new stuff, Rockstar sets standards

[fleet robin]

also sets computers on fire

can't wait

though that'll be in like 10 years

[versed token]

What standard did GTA5 set

aside from being able to milk it for years

and that having giga trash servers is okay

and cheating? who cares

[fleet robin]

set the standard for how much bs players are willing to take from a studio

i just hope the story is good and doesn't get abandoned

[wanton igloo]

It’s not milking if it’s working. Hard to knock a company for keeping a single game relevant for over 13 years. It’s dam impressive actually. Right call of duty?

[fleet robin]

it's definitely milking

[vague barn]

My sole hope for GTA 6 is a lunatic character to surpass Trevor.

[steel torrent]

you can call it whatever you want, it works for them, if it wasn't they would not be dropping so much content over the course of time

milking it? probably. Efective? for sure, they are seeing a shit ton of money

[fleet robin]

well duh

[zenith trout]

Yo I got an skate available playtest too I was so mad 😂

[steel torrent]

And you can expect the same thing with GTA 6 as there are rumors that it will be their last one or at least for a loooong time

[fleet robin]

it being effective is the reason we have had only 2 games in 12 years

[steel torrent]

you really think that GTA 5 was innefective?

[fleet robin]

why bother doing anything else when players are perfectly content buying shark cars from a 2013 game

[fleet robin]

idk where you think i said that

[steel torrent]

sorry, my bad

lol I misread

astigmatism my man... I am getting old

[zenith trout]

Bro rockstar made a quarter of billion dollars with gta 5

[steel torrent]

Rockstar will probably cover the cost of the game solely in preorders lol

[fleet robin]

definitely

they could shit the bed and people would still pre order like there's limited stock

[rapid fox]

HAHA

[zenith trout]

Does that mean that I’m not getting an invite still?

[rapid fox]

Sure if you try

[fervent eagle]

@rapid fox Hey, any news from API man ? 👀

[vague barn]

Scroll up a bit. They've supposedly changed to build date to be in 38 minutes.

Rather than tomorrow, that is

[rapid fox]

They have actually changed it again after that so now I know build size

And it's out yeah

[vague barn]

Ah neat.

[rapid fox]

42.52Gb

[steel torrent]

is there any truth in the comments of playtesting for BF starting tomorrow?

[nimble bridge]

Issue is that GTA6 online won't be as good as GTA5 online, at least not during the launch, GTA5 online has so much content they can't implement right away

[steel torrent]

or those who claim that there is something to wait for tomorrow?

[half halo]

Sweet

[plain bluff]

read that post again and report back

[fervent eagle]

ohh nice, but is still set for tomorrow or did they changed the date ?

[rapid fox]

Date was changed to today

[steel torrent]

? fill me in, I only heard from 3rds, what post do you mean?

[plain bluff]

...what do you even mean

[fervent eagle]

okay, maybe so they are able to try the build to see if it's all good or maybe i'm just hard on copium 😂

[plain bluff]

there was only 1 reddit post about the 4th of march. which was changed to today. and that was gamebuild upload date. not playtesting

[steel torrent]

oh

got it

I never got to the post itself, I heard from others, so obviously I did not get the full pic

[plain bluff]

@steel torrent

[rapid fox]

Nope, that is playtesting build size

My post said that new build comes out on 4th march and that's it

It doesn't mean anything but one thing: they have technical possibility to send invites now

[plain bluff]

you saying the build is coming out today was a prank?

[rapid fox]

Sorry are you reading correctly?

[plain bluff]

you sent a message earlier today saying utc 14.00?

or they set that time today for tomorrow?

did i misunderstand?

[rapid fox]

My previous post claimed it was March 4. Today, they have decided to publish it today and move time to 14, and then to 12 utc

I don't know reasons for that obv

Since 14 makes no sense I could guess that it was a timezone typo

Because it was changed really fast

[vague barn]

Confusion, wooooo

[plain bluff]

well, guess itll be a long week ahead of us if they're planning something for this weekend

[rapid fox]

The fact is that build has been published 😄

That's all you need to know basically

[vague barn]

Yep.

[plain bluff]

if i get into the playtest, i hereby promise that i will ||keep all the footage to myself until the NDA expires||

[half halo]

Good, as you should

I assume they'll let people download the build for some days and then the servers will open

[rapid fox]

Btw no preload is expected

Not sure about servers

Playtests will be running for a few weeks (2 min)

[feral garden]

What good is this type of info? It's all guessing and speculation. Creating false expectations for dates and times.

[rapid fox]

In my opinion it is better than full lack of information

For example it could also give some hope because you know that invites have not been sent yet

[feral garden]

Disagree. Since you first said the 4th, now moved to 14th through API snooping, and will probably move again. It's creating a false sense of legitimate info gain.

[rapid fox]

14th?

I have never said that, build is out

14 was refering to time, not date

[feral garden]

Literally none of this is helping anyone. Just creating some false sense of importance on the info, that likely means nothing to people here.

[plain bluff]

we come here to literally discuss anything new if it pops up. hard disagree

anything else is just a cope and a silly way to pass the time

[feral garden]

Yeah, about labs itself. Not info gained from snooping their backend apis

[mossy marten]

insert "y'all got anymore of that information" gif

[rapid fox]

I have known it's bf labs since september but never leaked it because it would be meaningless. Here I shared because it gives something

[feral garden]

Good for you I guess.

[rapid fox]

For some people it is useless and they prefer to wait, I'm not that kind of guy and I clearly see there are others

[feral garden]

I don't see why this info belongs here tho

[rapid fox]

Just too small for reddit, plus I love to discuss that

[fleet robin]

gamers when the game discussion channel is used for discussing the game

at least his info is a little reliable, unlike the other guy that's saying a bunch of leaks are confirmed features

[rapid fox]

I sure hope something indeed happens this week so it would actually mean something for expectations

[plain bluff]

info on playtesting builds and possible timeframes for testing of BF labs doesnt belong in the labs channel? yeah, its speculation. at the very least it confirms things are moving along

[mossy marten]

no, we shall wait another month before invites are sent

[feral garden]

It confirms next to nothing. All it's giving is cope for when actual news might arrive.

[rapid fox]

I also speculate on trand. EA was super silent in API for weeks and last week they suddenly became very active plus a new build

Dunno I just love to talk about that

[feral garden]

Info that can't even be shared due to NDA.

[mossy marten]

i'm just messing with you 😭
we all hope they do something soon, but all we can do is wait

[rapid fox]

And we will still see twitch stream day one

With ban following 15 minutes after it starts

But tbh I won't do that myself

API leaks one thing...

[plain bluff]

thats funny, thinking any news about playtests would be posted at all

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-you-gif-9203462059918813942

😂

[vague barn]

For about 30 seconds just now, I was deeply concerned

There is currently air raid sirens blaring outside

Then it struck me, today is the first monday in March, the day that the air raid sirens are tested in Sweden

[mossy marten]

is it just a beginning of the month test

[vague barn]

It's like every 3 or 4 months

[mossy marten]

we get tornado siren tests every first tuesday of the month

one time it happened when it was foggy as hell and i was like, "Silent Hill"?

[vague barn]

Neat, do they announce in the siren that it's a test?

I swear they say "This is a test, this is only a test" in the US sirens

[mossy marten]

nah, not for tornado sirens

you would know if it's a real actual siren because the sky would be that weird green color and really bad winds and storms

[vague barn]

Fair point

[zenith trout]

Brodie he said the date was changed to today so invites might be coming out soon learn to read for once

[feral garden]

👆 👆 👆 👆

Precisely why this date and build info sharing is stupid.

[cursive ridge]

RIP Dale

[plain bluff]

you know that message means i read the said message correctly, right? the misunderstanding happened later

[spice bramble]

Discussing anything in here might just be stupid

They won't take what we say here into consideration so why not just let API Eren man say what he knows

[half halo]

Damn, I'm coming back to the chat it's a real Battlefield

[vague barn]

Ha, the big funni

[half halo]

This debate reminds me of the debate surronding Temporyal during BFV lifecycle

Some people praised him for sharing stuff, while others hated him for creating false expectations

In the end, none of this would be an issue in the first place if there would be "COMMUNICATION"

That's why I like followings devlogs for various game's mods, they actually do weekly logs where they share what they've been Working on.

Keeps the hype up

[rapid fox]

Leaks would not be needed if we had proper dates communication :p

[covert nest]

To be fair on tempos end he shared stuff he found cool but it did fuck up parts of the community.

My favourite part was when he was showing how the m1919 was constructed throughout season 4 and made into a ready state for season 5.

[feral garden]

They arent needed regardless.

[vague barn]

Leaks aren't needed, agreed, but they can be nice to have, but it needs to be understood by the people taking in that information that it is not final or definitive.

Which, given we inhabit the digital internet realm, where the average IQ is probably double-digit, isn't always a given that they do.

[rapid fox]

New build March 4 with no guaranties? That means like they will start playing at that date hype 💯 💯 💯

[feral garden]

Most people seeing dates here, or on reddit will take it as gospel, and thus youll have people expecting news, when we already have all the news we need.

"Wait to be selected, keep an eye on your emails for playtest news"

But timmy reddit post wants to keep us updated, So I guess GG

[vague barn]

Yep, a lot of people take things on the internet for gospel.

Case in point, I wrote a fake military manual excerpt and a lot of people believed it to be official.

[nimble bridge]

If I get in I will leak everything I have to my friend who can leak it

[fervent eagle]

I agree, and again that's the first fault of EA/DICE to reveal BFLABS too early just to please the investors

[heady thorn]

[vague barn]

Go away >:(

[mossy marten]

[sage folio]

you guys really are impatient kids pff LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT IN THE NEXT BATTLEFIELD JUST LIKE WE DID IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS

[heady thorn]

Why

[vague barn]

Is jok.

[vague barn]

I would, but I am not a fan of repeating myself.

Unless the topic comes up naturally, that is.

[sage folio]

being old must be boring

[vague barn]

It is exceptionally boring.

Not looking forward to becoming older.

[half halo]

Eh, There is enough of "Should the next Battlefield have ..." Post on the subreddit currently

[sage folio]

thats what im talking about

since people dont want to talk about leaks and things like that

lets talk about the same things over and over again

[steel torrent]

yaaay

so we agree it has to be a mix of BF3, BF4, with the grittiness of BF1 and graphics of BF5 or beyond, right?

[sage folio]

absolutely

[mossy marten]

and have the movement of BFv or bf4 airstrafing with a slide

[tepid plinth]

With the of BF

[mossy marten]

"with the of BF"?

[tepid plinth]

Like I said, if we got the feature from Battlefield that’d be so cool

[sage folio]

if we gonna get tanks is gonna be so dope

[half halo]

Imagine planes

Even better, boats

[nimble bridge]

Sliding tanks

[tepid plinth]

Imagine dragons

[half halo]

BF Fantastic Warfare Confirmed

[sage folio]

@rapid fox we want more dates

[plain bluff]

with your mom

[nimble bridge]

[sage folio]

[spice bramble]

Today. 5PM.

[plain bluff]

we die from no news

[tepid plinth]

It’s actually 3:11pm

[sage folio]

more

[plain bluff]

tell her to bring lingerie

[steel torrent]

been wearing the special ocassion red thong since they announced labs. PLEASE SHARE NEWS! it starting to itch...

[spice bramble]

Inferior timezone

[vague barn]

Oof, got stricken down.

[sage folio]

first you have to tell us what you want in the next battlefield tho

[tepid plinth]

Prox chat

[spice bramble]

guns

[tepid plinth]

5 guns but with bf1’s ‘attachment’ system

[vague barn]

pls no

only 4 guns are needed

[tepid plinth]

Honestly I do quite like bf1’s approach

[sage folio]

the devs already took note, too late

[vague barn]

I never tried it, but I would imagine it makes sense for a WW1 game, not so much for a modern era shooter where weapons are more or less just glorified picatinny adapters with the coincidental abiliy to propel small metal objects.

[nimble bridge]

They launched 2042 with 20 weapons 😂

[spice bramble]

far too many

[vague barn]

so

I am apparently going to get a tax return of over 250 dollarydoos

[tepid plinth]

Well in 2042 or bf4 I always just go for the jack of all trades build, but even more ‘all’ in 2042 cause of attachment swapping. In bf1 the specialised builds actually feel like they each have set use cases and are interesting to use

[plain bluff]

should have been one weapon and a fully fledged gunsmith with a zillion weapon part combos

[vague barn]

I don't blame you, a lot of people likely do that, but I prefer more flexibility personally, at least in a modern era shooter. In a World War 1 game, I would probably have also gone for the system BF1 used.

I do despise the plus system from 2042 with a passion and hope that never returns since it removed practically all importance of kit preparation.

[zenith trout]

@rapid fox please don’t give us false hope because honestly we all got excited for the last 2 battlefields and looked how those turned out

[nimble bridge]

Don't pay attention to leaks that gives you false hope then 🤷

[zenith trout]

If you get any new information just let it out

[nimble bridge]

Most leaks are fabricated marketing anyways

[zenith trout]

Exactly that’s why I’m not getting excited

I’ve been on the same boat for 7 years

[plain bluff]

your boat hasnt been spotted yet, thats why life isnt exciting

if it were you'd at least be getting shot at

[tepid plinth]

I love not being excited for any new AAA launches

Leaves more room to engage with smaller indie project :>

Although stalker 2 is still good, enjoying that. Just really want the next bf to reignite that spark

[zenith trout]

Would of you thought 11 years ago that indie projects would have better life and quality games than most AAA studios?

[nimble bridge]

Indie games 11 years ago were bangers too

[zenith trout]

Yep but if someone would’ve told me I would laugh

[mild girder]

I have the next few days some time off, would be a good timing for those invites

[mild girder]

Tbh, they should have made the Labs announcement a bit further in Development. They should have made the first External Playtest Waves for only EA Playtesting Members that already were part of the Program and not try to enlist so many people that dont even know they already signed a NDA

[half halo]

I totally agree

[elfin cove]

Can we expect any news today?

[nimble bridge]

No

[feral garden]

I get why people say this. They want the playtests to start and start ASAP. But everything with this stuff is a process. They want to get as many players signed up as possible, then get the right people invited into playtests.

How can you be sure that you get the right people (Location/region wise) if you dont first have an extensive sign up and vetting period?

Peoples lack of patience on this front frustrates me, because everyone complains about rushed, unpolished games...but at the same time wants them to rush out play-testing systems? What happpened to letting them cook?

[nimble bridge]

I want an unplayable buggy mess, bugs are Battlefield's soul 😛

[silver cedar]

Bring back long neck

[ornate pine]

100 percent agree with this. Things that are good take time

[silver cedar]

For the beta

[spark talon]

Flying hovercraft.

[tepid plinth]

Surprised some people are already losing patience, it’s only been a couple weeks

[silver cedar]

Yes flying hovercraft from bf4 and bf2042

The next bf game will probably have bugs because it’s battlefield

[sage folio]

get the right people invited based on racial backgrounds 😂

[silver cedar]

[feral garden]

Its been almost a month, but like...they have already told us exactly what to expect, yet people still lose patience.

• The playtests are closed, and have an NDA.
• You only have a tiny chance to be invited
• You will receive an email if you are invited, keep an eye on your email.

[silver cedar]

[mild girder]

They already had enough people for other Playtests before so why should this one be so much difficult?

[tepid plinth]

I’m looking at it with the mindset that I won’t see a smidge of it at all regardless, but maybe the people who haven’t looked into it all that much must think it’s going to be some closed beta

[mild girder]

Seen a few people saying: "When do we get invites to the beta"

[feral garden]

Because this one is going to have more extensive feedback than past ones. Past playtests for it weren't even labelled as for the next Battlefield.

Its not just a case of....Get a playable build > Invite X players > have them play it

Its a case of having all their feedback systems in place before a single player is even invited.

[mild girder]

All previous Playtests had Feedback lol But they mostly just didnt listen at all and just ignored it like with 2042s Playtests

[feral garden]

Since they will also be releasing public info n the playtests, and results of those playtests, they also need to make sure that their documentation systems for player feedback, and the results of that feedback are effective

You cant just YOLO this shit like most of you want

[silver cedar]

Huh

[tepid plinth]

Wuh

[sage folio]

you guys acting like Dice is competent at listening the players

[silver cedar]

I thought I left a comment nvm

[silver cedar]

I believe in dice

[sage folio]

after the last couple of years you shouldnt

[silver cedar]

Anyways should mavs come back

[silver cedar]

I want to

[feral garden]

Their now lead producer is proven to be great at listening to player feedback, and implementing working test environments.

[silver cedar]

Thank you

[tepid plinth]

And given how people have given feedback in channels here in the past I imagine they won’t leave open text boxes to go crazy in for these tests, can’t imagine what it must be like going through thousands of hand written messages, half of which don’t relate to the test at all

[mild girder]

Tbh, just because the Team has a decent Dev in the Team, i wouldnt have that much hope.

[feral garden]

2042s issue wasnt the devs, it was the creative vision.

[silver cedar]

Rush developed

[feral garden]

Sure it was buggy, but the core of 2042 at launch just wasnt even a battlefield game.

The core being broken is a much bigger issue than the bugginess

that core comes from design and creative vision. Which (IMO) was bad

[mild girder]

Like i just wanna remind you of xDefiant

[feral garden]

How does this relate?

[mild girder]

Good Producer doesnt equal a good game

[tepid plinth]

The game that delayed itself purely because of player criticism and listened to player feedback to change its overall aesthetic?