battlefield-labs-discussion

[fleet robin]

i'd love for emblems to come back, i'm just explaining why they absolutely never will

[tepid plinth]

I like seeing some of the genuinely cool stuff people make with them, and would love to use them to make a titanfall faction badge, but the bad stuff gets old real quick

[fleet robin]

hiding emblems doesn't stop them from existing, same with chat messages. There's a reason they have a tos

[bronze mirage]

ok and i didnt say i expect them or say they need them

[bronze mirage]

im explaining on how they can add things back to a game if they just add things to allow ppl to not see it. Toxicity will always be there. So allows way for ppl to not see it instead of removing things

[fleet robin]

toxicity will always be there yes, that's exactly why they removed player created emblems

[bronze mirage]

yes. and they can add them back if they just add a few things for players to not see them

[fleet robin]

"allowing people to not see it" isn't a solution

they still need to moderate emblems

[bronze mirage]

ok so what stops me from having a bad name on steam and launching bf and ppl seeing my name say somethign toxic

[fleet robin]

steam tos?

you'll get reported and have your name changed or account banned lmao

[bronze mirage]

with how you saying. they need to remove names

[bronze mirage]

so do the same????

[fleet robin]

well no because names are a necessary part of an online game lol

and it's much easier to control names which are made of letters, instead of emblems which are literally art pieces

[bronze mirage]

or add a feature to allow ppl to not see it so they dont need to hire ppl to look through it

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie if I owned a platform I wouldn't want people using it to spread hate symbols.

[fleet robin]

again "allow people to not see it" is not a solution

[covert nest]

Names are integral to your identity, A symbol is not.

God I had this convo 3 years ago now

no

4 years

Jesus fucking christ.

[bronze mirage]

ok bro. So then txt chat is in game and ppl type bad things. And they get banned but come back and say it when ban is lifted. What you gonna do? what did ppl do? Ask for a way to just not see it. So they add it and it worked

[fleet robin]

they don't want that shit on their platform, and try to control every emblem made is way more effort, time, and money than just disabling emblems, which isn't even essential to gameplay

[covert nest]

It would be fun to have a pie as an emblem but I ain't gonna cry.

[fleet robin]

they're still being banned

[bronze mirage]

for a day

also ppl make new accounts

[fleet robin]

and then those get banned

[bronze mirage]

sooo

[covert nest]

And they have to buy the game again.

[fleet robin]

what is your point

[bronze mirage]

the cycle continues

[fleet robin]

no it doesn't

they just get banned every time

[bronze mirage]

so just let ppl NOT SEE THEM

[fleet robin]

how is this relevant

the problem isn't people seeing it's the emblems being on their platform

[bronze mirage]

Cause the point it that ppl see them

[fleet robin]

no

[bronze mirage]

its not a issue its there. its a issue ppl see them

[covert nest]

People aren't gonna spend 60 - 100 dollars for the same game to do the same shit unless they're super dedicated to spread their shit anyways.

[fleet robin]

the point is dice doesn't want literal hate speech on their platform

jesus

not seeing it isn't a solution as i've said like 3 times

the problem is moderating it

[vague barn]

How is this so difficult to understand? @bronze mirage

[fleet robin]

which is not feasible, as we've seen many times before

[bronze mirage]

its always gonna be there if ppl can have a user name, txt chat, voice chat, bullet holes in surfaces, ontop of many things. Cant remove all of it cause some ppl use them

[fleet robin]

jesus christ how dense are you

you can moderate those things

[bronze mirage]

and most ppl still dont get banned

[fleet robin]

you cannot moderate emblems with as little effort as you moderate voice and text chat

your suggestion is literally having a guy sitting at a desk sifting through tens of thousands of emblems 24/7

think a little

[bronze mirage]

CAN, but they usually dont EVER moderate vc, and txt chat dont get moderated hardly.

[vague barn]

Problem; username is a integral part of your identity, text chat and voice chat serves as a possible means of teamwork. Emblems add literally nothing of value to gameplay.

[bronze mirage]

i said have a hide option

[fleet robin]

which is NOT a solution

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie. Their moderating is pretty on point for text chats.

I've been actioned, A racist I know has been actioned in the manner of hours.

[manic gate]

Is this about bringing emblems back?

[bronze mirage]

so if i go and type something in bf saying toxic things. i gurantee you i dont get banned

[covert nest]

Yeah

[vague barn]

Yessir

[covert nest]

Bad timing

[bronze mirage]

then i say something i dont get banned

[fleet robin]

you will

keep doing it and you will, naturally

[manic gate]

oh, unfortunately unfeasible these days

[bronze mirage]

then i look for a option to hide things cause someone say something bad. and its not there

so they keep saying it

[covert nest]

I've been suspended off EA services for a week for my shitty behaviour, If I kept up at it I would be actioned even harder.

[fleet robin]

and they get banned

what's so hard to understand

those things aren't comparable

[bronze mirage]

uh NO. i have a buddy who say WILD shit and never happens

all day every day NO ban

[fleet robin]

"people don't get banned over text so let them make emblems to spread hate"

[fleet robin]

lucky him

[bronze mirage]

i mean you say ppl get banned but they dont. most games allow chat hide cause they know you cant ban ppl fast enough or at all sometimes cause they fall under the rader. So ad a hide function

its literally a setting option

thats used in MANY games

[fleet robin]

it's a bandaid fix because there's still actual moderation being done

[bronze mirage]

that EVERYONE loves in any game with toxic players

[fleet robin]

hiding emblems but still not having moderation isn't a solution

[bronze mirage]

cause they know its better to hide than wait 12 months for a ban. that may not happen

[fleet robin]

most games will have you suspended or banned very quickly

overwatch does it within a few days if you're toxic all the time

[covert nest]

Run a hate symbol and see how quickly they act.

[bronze mirage]

is that why it never happened?

[fleet robin]

i really don't care about your experience

it's a fact that it does

and this is still completely irrelevant to emblems

[bronze mirage]

ive seen 1 person banned cause of toxic chat in a game. It was Valo when it came out. Sense then NEVER.

[fleet robin]

good for you

[bronze mirage]

a setting to not see it makes no sense to not add if its an issue

[fleet robin]

it does because that doesn't solve the problem

get it through your skull

[vague barn]

Hiding it doesn't remove it, it'd still need moderation.

[bronze mirage]

removing 15 different features cause of players is sad cause you dont want to add measures to reduce toxicity

[fleet robin]

ok but they aren't removing 15 features

[covert nest]

Hiding will make it worse lol

Like dude what

"Haha you get offended over hate symbols just disable it jackass"

That's essentially what you are saying.

[fleet robin]

all you can do is talk about text chat and make up imaginary scenarios lmao emblems cannot be moderated and there is no other way for them to return

[bronze mirage]

if you chose to hide it then you dont see it. How is that worse?

[covert nest]

Because people can openly run with hate symbols in a platform that's intended for fun?

[fleet robin]

because then nobody will report emblems and everyone is free to make heinous shit

[covert nest]

Like dude I don't want to see some 16 year old edgelord running a swastika in a game where I just want to shoot people.

& it's a liabiltiy from a business standpoint.

[bronze mirage]

And if you just hide them you dont see them, so you dont get hate symbols in your game?

[covert nest]

You still do though

[fleet robin]

"we added emblems guys, and we know everyone is using it to spread hate but don't worry, you can just not look at it! We won't be doing anything else about this."

[vague barn]

Honestly I would say this conversation demonstrates well enough why emblems should not be a thing.

[covert nest]

You actually have short term memory.

[fleet robin]

every day i thank the universe that fans are NOT making video games because holy shit they're stupid

[covert nest]

This is the culture that will propagate around it.

[bronze mirage]

and you wont see it so only the bad ppl will. And nobody is upset cause we cant moderate it as you said

[vague barn]

Not seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, dude.

[fleet robin]

they can't moderate it so they can't add it. Simple as that. Hiding emblems is not a solution for the 10th time you knob

in what world is not seeing something stopping it from existing?

[covert nest]

EA hosting a platform where people can openly run such filth with a bandaid fix of merely hiding it just won't end well at all.

[bronze mirage]

If not doing things cause controversy was a thing, then there would be no counrty. Cant just ignore issues and take things from ppl cause of a small minority use things wrong

[fleet robin]

it's an emblem

get over yourself

[covert nest]

What?

People who use hate symbols know VERY well what they're doing.

There's no beating the bush.

[vague barn]

As much as I would like to have the Recce Tree as my emblem in a future BF game, I realize the realities of online communities, hence I would rather not see emblems at all in any future BF game.

[covert nest]

There's bashing the faschy but that's another thing!

[vague barn]

The risk vs reward is so insanely skewed towards the risk side that it's not even funny.

[bronze mirage]

If you have an option to not see it. Then your fine. If they remove it, then there plenty of ppl out there upset cause now its

"Man i miss old bf where i could make my own emblem cause these ones suck, and i liked seeing ones that ppl had that were cool back in the day. But we cant cause ppl out there cry cause they are FORCED to see them."

[covert nest]

It's not the end of the world either.

[fleet robin]

maybe the solution is for people to not create hate symbols? that could work no? If people aren't disgusting scumbags then there's no need for moderation. Until then we won't have emblems

[covert nest]

It's that simple.

[fleet robin]

seeing them is not the problem

once again

[bronze mirage]

i mean whats stopping someone from shooting a swaztika into a wall????

[vague barn]

Absolutely not. I am not emotionally or sexually fixated on the appearance or disappearance of emblems, as opposed to Solar39, apparently.

[bronze mirage]

or shooting the N word into a wall?

[fleet robin]

you seem to think the only thing wrong with hateful emblems is the fact that people see them, which is just ???

[covert nest]

If some one came here with a swastika right now, Even if I blocked them it's a still a problem for the discord because they're allowing the account with the hate symbol run free.

[fleet robin]

bullet holes are important to gameplay and immersion, they disappear over time, and people need to go out of their way mid-game to do it. Emblems do nothing for gameplay or immersion, and they can be created once and then forgotten about

[covert nest]

Guys pushing the goalposts now.

[vague barn]

Not seeing =/= not being a problem.

I don't understand how this is so difficult to understand.

[bronze mirage]

ok, and theres nothing that can do to stop that from already being done. It like removing the whole channel as a whole cause ppl cant use it as it was made for

[fleet robin]

the fact that this guy wants emblems so bad he's willing to let all sorts of gross hateful shit be created and plastered around in the game

[fleet robin]

they can ban them and delete the message, hope this helps

[vague barn]

Guy must have some really epic emblems /s

[covert nest]

Yes and that's the whole point in moderation because you can act on them.

[bronze mirage]

they can do that with emblems cough cough

[covert nest]

Remove them from the place.

[fleet robin]

it's not comparable

chat moderation can be very easily automated, and edge cases can be looked at by a human. Emblems have to be 100% moderated by a human

[covert nest]

Your point is that they can moderated yes we get that and as a whole EA would rather not deal with that shit considering the sheer number of reports and bullshit they have to deal with.

[bronze mirage]

it takes ONE person to go through over 100,000 emblems a day. 5 ppl on it and you good.

minimum wage ez

little to no money

[covert nest]

Damn dude you don't believe people should be paid for their efforts?

[vague barn]

It takes one removal of a mechanic to not have to bother with even that.

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie ignoring how stupid of a thing you said there, 100K emblems in a day are you serious lol.

[bronze mirage]

its lookin at a image and goin "nah thats racist". Dont need nothing more

[fleet robin]

"it's so easy just hire 5 extra people to work nonstop every day"

[bronze mirage]

3 sec max to see if its offensive

[fleet robin]

this guy has to be like 12 years old

[vague barn]

I am so happy you are not in control of any Discord servers I am part of.

[covert nest]

100K is a stupid claim in itself.

[bronze mirage]

ah yes cause all jobs are non stop 24/7.

[covert nest]

100K sounds like something that would take an entire day.

[fleet robin]

they will be doing it the entire work day if they want any chance of staying on top of it

[covert nest]

100K is tonnes.

[fleet robin]

guy thinks they'll just be looking at a screen pressing Y or N lmao

[bronze mirage]

Yall think theres gonna be over 1mil reports a day.... Maybe in the first week but 3 months later. Not close

[covert nest]

Yeah this guy is on purpose a moron.

[fleet robin]

it has to be some high level bait

[versed token]

It would stay as a problem years down the line

[vague barn]

I'm debating whether this is just a troll we're dealing with.

[bronze mirage]

Might as well just remove vc and txt chat tbh

[fleet robin]

just read the chat

we've explained a million times why that's not the same thing

if you can read

[vague barn]

Are you literate or do you just have a really shitty text-to-speech/speech-to-text engine doing the work for you?

[bronze mirage]

nah cause theres so many ppl saying bad things in vc and txt. They possibly cant control it

according to yall

[fleet robin]

here's an idea, try saying a slur right now

try a few of them maybe

[bronze mirage]

that different

[fleet robin]

no it isn't

it's actually the exact same

[versed token]

Isn't chat moderation something that is required by law?

[bronze mirage]

discord has alot less ppl in it. Alot easier to monitor. Ontop of like 6 ppl here ready to report it with a screen shot and a dev likely reading this actively. COMPLETLY different from a game

[versed token]

and also already has good tools created to moderate it

[bronze mirage]

^

[fleet robin]

it's the exact same

like i said, try it and see what happens

[bronze mirage]

but its not, cause theres not 1k other people also doing it, with devs lookin at chat rn.

[fleet robin]

it is

try it

you obviously don't know how moderation works here lol

[bronze mirage]

ok now your trolling if u think its the exact same thing

things on larger scale need more moderation. Things with less ppl needs less cause its alot easier to catch

discord chat has alot less ppl in here. Its not spread across 12 different servers, among different active session, being said into a mic or typed and waiting a report to detect and have a dev to look over it a week later

[bronze mirage]

you dont know how moderation works.

[fleet robin]

you don't know how any of this works, evidently

like i said, try it

[covert nest]

Do it right now.

[tribal flame]

Why not going towards a more limited tool, similar to what MGS 5 was offering ? With no infinite layers of shapes that can be rotated and resized no chance to see something offensive.

[finite pier]

So, February is ending, and they said first playtest would be this month, anyone has any info about it?

[covert nest]

Custom emblems is really just all we need.

What do you mean this month?

[bronze mirage]

srry bro. they gonna say no cause theres no way to allow them apparently

[covert nest]

Who said this month?

[fleet robin]

they said in the coming weeks, which sounds soon but doesn't really mean anything

[vague barn]

Do you mean preset emblems?

[covert nest]

Err

Yeah

[finite pier]

I read somewhere, and they said something about in the upcoming weeks, that was when the labs was revealed, just wondering if they called someone already

[vague barn]

Ah. Yeah.

[covert nest]

I mean there could be internal tests.

Where they're inviting creators and that.

[fleet robin]

you won't know until they announce it or you get invited yourself, it's all under nda

[covert nest]

But I can't really say anything because I don't actually know and if I actually did I can't exactly confirm or deny.

Ironically

I am gonna deny

[finite pier]

Understood, thanks guys

[vague barn]

Glomar response, my beloved.

[covert nest]

I am hopeful though.

You don't need a leak or rumour to be confident in the direction under Sirland.

[vague barn]

I really hope that guy gets knighted at some point

Sir Sirland

[covert nest]

That'd be funny.

[vague barn]

and becomes a land owner.

Sir Sirland's Land.

[manic gate]

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[rapid fox]

They already passed a few months ago

[plain bluff]

they already passed... rest in pieces

[teal dune]

Where is my invite?

[civic arrow]

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[primal ruin]

hello 0/ i'm trying to find why i cant talk to french channel

[verbal sentinel]

Could battelfiel 4 commander mode return?

[primal ruin]

you want say « could battlefield 2 commender mode return?»

[verbal sentinel]

i don´t have the luch play any battelfiel before bf3

[mossy marten]

it's a self destructing email
don't respond in time, it goes poof

[scenic owl]

new discovery in the trailer

if you pause the trailer at the right frame, and zoom in on one of the windows, you can see a naked lady

further analysis has confirmed that this lady is, in fact, Falck

[vague barn]

ok.

[plain bluff]

gooners cannot be stopped holy shit

[vague barn]

Anyways, I'm debating whether PDWs might be better suited to be divided into SMGs and PCCs/Sub-Compact Carbines.

[plain bluff]

the question is easily solved - if it has a similar damage profile, why not?

besides, sub compact carbines are usually high speed low drag type of stuff

[plain bluff]

*in game terms

[vague barn]

Yeah, I think the SMGs/Sub-Compact Carbines might be an idea since they're pretty distinct from each other as opposed to SMGs/PCCs since PCCs are kind of a civilian semi-auto compromise.

Take the SIG MPX for instance, the PCC variant is different only in barrel/handguard length.

Whereas there is a significant difference between something like an MP7 and a SCAR-L SC.

I'm rather torn though because I am a modularity nerd, so I think the SCAR-L carbines being able to be modified between SC and standard length (NOT on the fly) would be pretty cool.

[spice bramble]

They're just going to have SMGs

They won't dividie it further

[vague barn]

Probably, yes.

I agree and am somewhat hoping that'll be the case.

[errant rapids]

Sup lads

[vague barn]

I guess if carbines are going to be universally available like in BF4 it won't make much difference if PDWs remain a cover name for SMGs and carbines be able to be modified into sub-compact variants.

[vague barn]

Good morning.

[errant rapids]

Yeah I'm sure they will have base categories and attachments to further drill down into detail if wanted

Then again maybe not curious if they bring back the plus system I didn't find it to be very useful

[feral garden]

But will they add floating double damage power ups!

[mossy marten]

i think it should be:

• PDWs (.45cal and 9mm mostly)
• Carbine (aka short ARs lol)
• ARs
• Battle Rifles (SCAR H, big heavy caliber bois)
• Marksman (semi auto only)
• Snipers
• LMGs
• Shotties (gross)
• Handguns
• Wacky Shit (Mare's leg, crossbow, etc)

[vague barn]

Please for the love of fucking god do not reintroduce the plus system, that shit was horrendous

[mossy marten]

agreed

[feral garden]

I can see them bringing it back, cos its what most people state as a positive from 2042.

I dont want it either. Stating it as the best thing in 2042, is like saying weight loss is the best part of food poisoning.

[vague barn]

I haven't talked to enough people to gauge general interest in the plus system, but I absolutely despise it with the firey passion of a thousand suns.

[feral garden]

there is probably a better analogy in there

Almost every YT channel ive seen states they liked the plus system. Have also seen a lot of people on socials/discord stating the same. I liked it for what it is in 2042, but dont want it in future games.

[vague barn]

I suppose in the 2042 universe it might make sense (since I haven't lived that long).

[feral garden]

Being the best part of a bad thing is hardly a plus tho (Pun intended)

[vague barn]

Ha, you funni man

[vague barn]

Personal preference as of right now:

• Assault class
  • Assault Rifles [Exclusive]
  • Battle Rifles
  • Shotguns
• Engineer class
  • Carbines [Exclusive]
  • Sub-Machine Guns
  • Shotguns
• Support class
  • Machine Guns (Light/Medium) [Exclusive]
  • Battle Rifle
  • Marksman Rifle
• Recce class
  • Sniper Rifles [Exclusive]
  • Sub-Machine Guns
  • Marksman Rifle

I'd like quite an extensive selection of firearm models with some subvariants as well, something in the region of 75-80 base weapons extending into 120-140 with subvariants included.
Edit: For context, BF4 has 101 guns total and Hardline has 94 total.

I realize I am being a gear nerd here but I really, really like firearms.

[versed token]

BF4 also has the problem of guns being like 1:1 stats wise

[vague barn]

I understand where you're coming from with that argument, and I used to be in the same camp of "less is more" but was convinced by someone in this Discord that similar weapon systems are good for variety.

[feral garden]

I never cared TBH. I just enjoyed having more things to play with, different sounding weapons, eTC

[vague barn]

Being able to be competitive with multiple different weapon systems is better than having only 1 or 2 available to be competitive.

[feral garden]

BF4 had it perfect tho:

[versed token]

If they do interesting things with recoil and attachments im all for it

[vague barn]

Yeah, I like the BF4 distribution but would prefer some more granular control over the appearance of my weapon systems because, as previously disclosed, I am a firearms nerd.

[nimble bridge]

would rather sell emblems and stickers than to allow people to make their own custom emblems, this whole emblem thing is a moot convo

[feral garden]

Not giving recon carbines and shotuns will just make them less played.

Night as well call them a sniper class without

[vague barn]

And I do not want to have twenty different separate variants of the same platform, so I would prefer being able to customize the appearance to fit the user's preferences.

[versed token]

If they had +1 beyond the universal ones I'd like it more

[vague barn]

Fair point, I might do a switcharoo and modify that.

I will admit I hold a fierce hatred for shotguns, and generally don't use them as a primarily recce class player.

[feral garden]

Realistically, you would have both universal weapons, but also a more robust class specialization system, to make a player of a specific class more prone to using that classes weapons

2042s specialization was not really all that good/useful

Maybe with the exception of assault and recon perks

But the recon one I kinda found useless, cos you barely ever need infinite breath

[vague barn]

Yeah, I do like the idea of specializations. I used to prefer having different availability of weapon systems per specialization but I think, for lack of a better word, "proficiencies" with different categories might be better.

[nimble bridge]

I will never like carbines

Giving everyone an AR isn't a good decision imo

[feral garden]

Like you could make specializations have positives and negatives. Example: A recon specialization for removal of scope glint. But said removal makes your hold breath duration 50% lower.

[nimble bridge]

If there is going to be a carbine class then it should be like BF3, only engi gets carbine, SMGs are universal

[feral garden]

Also works

[vague barn]

I could settle for that, to be quite honest.

Time to do another switcharoo.

[feral garden]

Engineers are relatively frontlines soldiers in BF games. So giving them a weapon class that is similar to ARs makes sense.

[vague barn]

How about:

• Assault class
  • Assault Rifles [Exclusive]
  • Battle Rifles
  • Shotguns
• Engineer class
  • Carbines [Exclusive]
  • Sub-Machine Guns
  • Shotguns
• Support class
  • Machine Guns (Light/Medium) [Exclusive]
  • Battle Rifle
  • Marksman Rifle
• Recce class
  • Sniper Rifles [Exclusive]
  • Sub-Machine Guns
  • Marksman Rifle

I feel like 4 available categories were slightly too much, hence I have reduced it to 3.

[potent girder]

remove marksman from support and I agree

I think marksman should be recon exclusive for shorter range engagements

they already got battlerifles anyway

[vague barn]

Marksman rifles to me make sense for support as they are support oriented. It maintains the medium range "specialization" for the Support class but still gives capability in that blended area between medium and long-range.

Basically, I view the categories for support as:

• Machine Guns: Medium Range
• Battle Rifle: Close-to-Medium Range
• Marksman Rifle: Medium-to-Long Range

So centered around the medium range bracket.

[nimble bridge]

Marksman should be universal imo given no one uses them

People don't use DMRs because of controllers imo

[vague barn]

I abuse the living shit out of the Mk 11 Mod 0 in BF4.

[feral garden]

Just copy this stuff into ChatGPT and have it arrange it into a grid. Makes it easier to digest 😛

[vague barn]

No image perms :(

[feral garden]

oh yeah lol

[vague barn]

lmao

thanks though

[nimble bridge]

Only semi auto assault rifle in BO6 got like 4-5 buffs since the game launched with no nerfs despite general AR nerf, it's legit broken now but no one uses it
Modern shooter players are just afraid of DMRs, I think it's due to them being used to controllers, it's harder to tap fire with rollers

[vague barn]

I just get along far too well with the fire rate of the Mk 11.

I can use the SCAR-H SV that has the same ROF and perform absolutely horrendously, but with the Mk 11 Mod 0 I can do pretty well in almost all scenarios.

[nimble bridge]

I rarely see people use DMRs in 2042 too, even the SVK despite it being broken

Modern gamers are just not used to semi auto firing weapons

[vague barn]

Haven't played 2042 in ages but I loved the DM7 and G428 quite a lot.

[feral garden]

I still cant put my finger on why use of those weapons feels bad. But if I were to guess, id say its because of the different movement speeds. Surely that makes it harder to learn movement speeds/patterns

[vague barn]

Definitely an acquired taste, though.

[vague barn]

DMRs generally or do you mean specifically those in 2042?

[tall urchin]

It's weird too because controller's best weapon is probably DMR on account of the 25% reduction in recoil and first shot multi.

[feral garden]

ranged DMRs/sniper rifles in 2042

[vague barn]

Ah, I see. Yeah, it took a long time for me to learn the movement speeds and required lead with my preferred DMRs. I never ventured that far into sniper rifles because it was just too much for my little brain.

[nimble bridge]

Only VCAR feels bad imo, Trench Carbine was amazing, VCAR ain't it

[mossy marten]

vcar the 🐐 DMR in 2042

[feral garden]

VCAR is for people with reflexes, not old people like me

[tall urchin]

VCAR is just a CQC gun it's not a typical DMR.

[mossy marten]

it's under the marksman rifle category, so it's a marksman rifle

that's DICE's fault for not making it a utility category gun

[tall urchin]

I like that they call it utility because you have guns with zero utility and you have weapons that are better than other weapons within their own category.

[heady thorn]

frfr

[nimble bridge]

It's called as tactical

[bronze mirage]

Only thing i didnt like with bf4s was Recon having Carbines. It made them capable of running AR's with a spawn beacon. Was kinda annoying imo having a Sniper class running around with a AR and putting beacons down next to sight for his team with no risk of being out gunned... Also making back caps ALOT easier. Im ok if they have dmr's that can toggle full auto for some of them like the Mk14 and other weapons that wold fit in the dmr category but are capable of full auto. But no AR like a G36 or ACR.

[nimble bridge]

They should give recon PCCs

G57 but with a stock and a grip

[vague barn]

I'm very on the fence about PCCs. On one hand they'd be cool, on the other hand, they're kinda just glorified SMGs.

At least in military settings, that is.

[feral garden]

Yeah, the discussion below this, we talked about replacing carbines with SMGs as all class, then making carbines the engineer exclusive weapon (Instead of SMG)

[bronze mirage]

yeah i scrolled past and saw the pick and read it. I like everything else bf4 did class wise. Just that 1 thing bothered me.

[vague barn]

Oh shit, wait

[vague barn]

I completely forgot to respond to this; I really like the idea of having something to remove scope glint, but I think the tradeoff is fairly obvious (depending on the implementation). Generally the only way to "completely" eliminate scope glint is to use tape to cover up a large portion of the objective lens, or cut a small window in the lens caps. Thus, I think a more restricted field of view would be a reasonable trade-off for that kind of thing.

[mossy marten]

Isnt that what the whatever pistol with stock already?

I don't remember the name of it

whoops, mp28 doesn't look like a glock

[strong drift]

ANYONE ELSE JUST GET AN EMAIL

[feral garden]

No, and neither did you.

[nimble bridge]

I got it

Says thank you for reporting cheaters

[strong drift]

Battlefield Labs | Registration Complete this is what mine said i thought it would be good news but i think its just a remnder for the survey

[feral garden]

Not much need to think about anything. The content of that email is pretty clear. It also tells you not to share it, but who reads things these days.

[vague barn]

I got a playtest email

from Paradox

[golden vortex]

I'll just report that to Paradox for breaking the NDA

[strong drift]

okay big guy

[feral garden]

NO PROBLEM, BE SURE TO UPDATE US ON YOUR NEXT EMAIL TOO /S

[strong drift]

why are you crying

[vague barn]

No NDA signed yet, just a reminder that there's a CK3 playtest on the way

[feral garden]

Speaking to the other guy

[stray veldt]

did they say yet what the next DLC is gonna be?

[vague barn]

Idk didn't read it all too carefully since I am not interested in the series

[feral garden]

Meming on on on them tho, cos there are 50 guys doing the same thing here daily lol

[strong drift]

it was a simple question guy relax

[manic gate]

YES I GOT ONE FROM UBISOFT 2 YEARS AGO

to playtest xdefiant

[feral garden]

I hear that's the next big thing. 😅

[tall urchin]

I am reporting you to Ubisoft's HQ amidst bankruptcy.

[manic gate]

[tall urchin]

You'll have to beta test Ubisoft games like everyone else, on release

[manic gate]

the game won't even exist after this summer

[tall urchin]

I feel bad for that title, you could tell from the start they didn't have a concrete design or concept figured out and it really hurt the process.

By the time they got to something it was too late to course correct a lot of the issues stemming from earlier choices

[manic gate]

They were beta testing for like 4 years and never addressed the main complaints people had

They share alot of the blame themselves

shitty netcode that they didn't acknowledge until 2 whole seasons into the game

[tall urchin]

That's also true, how do you test for like a year and never fix the problems with the netcode.

Every test was like "get rid of the spider, fix the dying around cover"

[manic gate]

Seriously me and the other testers complained so much and they responded with: "yeah we'll fix it ok don't worry"

which is understandable if it's in alpha, not really when you've been doing it for like 4 years and it's still an issue months after launch

[tall urchin]

It's even funnier when the players think "Oh well if Ubisoft is selling then someone will buy XDefiant and fix the game!" but the aesthetics of XDefiant includes Ubisoft IPs so someone would basically have to buy out Ubisoft completely

[manic gate]

BO6 killed the remaining fanfare behind the game honestly

So poorly managed, atleast some excuses can be attributed to 2042

I hope a deep dive comes out about the game

[tall urchin]

I also found it weird how their biggest defining point was IBMM and they said "fuck it mix inputs in ranked"

[manic gate]

What the hell were Mark Rubin and his team doing with those hundreds of millions

blowing it on hookers and drinks?

[tall urchin]

Ain't no party like an Ubisoft party. At least as long as we don't talk about Randy Pitchford

[ebon beacon]

They had a solid foundation with xd but couldn't follow up on it

[tall urchin]

Nah they didn't even have a foundation until a few years of testing

OG XDefiant felt less like CoD and more like some weird hero shooter

But at least XDefiant lasted longer than Concord.

[ebon beacon]

Well, I'm gonna miss hotshot. That was a fun spin on TDM/Kill Confirmed

[versed token]

XDefiant still feels like a really really really bad hero shooter

[ebon beacon]

ah, so a 7/10, then?

[heady thorn]

Yo guys i got invited. Invited to go fishing this weekend

[vague barn]

Enjoy, I hear the fishing in Norway is fucking amazing.

[heady thorn]

Been fishing my entire life, love it.

In the summer we go out at 8pm and fish to like 6am since it doesnt get dark out 😂

[tall urchin]

I got an invite to collect inheritance from a distant relative in another country my heritage draws nothing from, seems legit to me. Catch you later broke boys.

[vague barn]

Midnight sun gang

[ebon beacon]

[rough remnant]

only 2 years ago? i was invited as a playtester to xdefiant in early 2022. but i never actually played it lol

[manic gate]

Wait I forgot it's 2025 now

I got one in late 2021

[rough remnant]

[manic gate]

I played in the 2022 one and the big 2023 one or whenever that happened which they opened up to console too

Or whenever the final one was, I lost track of them

[vague barn]

Time has fun when you're going fast.

[rough remnant]

time doesnt exist

[half halo]

We are stalling

[vague barn]

Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.

[spice bramble]

Playtests are just an illusion to keep us trapped with the realm of time

[wise rover]

when beta test battleSIX

[rough remnant]

beta? probably not in a while

this is alpha testing

[versed token]

pre-alpha even

[spice bramble]

Surely we'll get news next week... right?

[vague barn]

You sure are swimming in an ocean of hopes and dreams.

[golden vortex]

Never assume, never expect. Just be pleasantly surprised if and when it happens 😄

[vague barn]

Tbf I can't say I am not doing the same.

[spice bramble]

For a pleasant surprise some form of expectation is needed

What if I expect it to happen next week, but it happens this friday? (hypothetical, obviously)

[golden vortex]

I don't think that's how surprises work

[spice bramble]

A surprise is something that you were not expecting

or are not

Philosophy ain't my thing as you can tell

[golden vortex]

I think I get what you mean, gotchya

[cursive ridge]

BOO!

Did I surprise you?

[spice bramble]

Not particularly

[golden vortex]

argh, that christmas hat avatar scared me

[spring peak]

ive been sent the same email to fill out a survey 5x

another one today, anyone know what's shaking?

[mossy marten]

[spark talon]

[signal vigil]

from having in depth game mechanic conversations to talking about patience philosophy

at this point i just want new concept art

[tepid plinth]

that's why I love this channel

[vague barn]

This is a channel for discussing anything from the bottom of the Mariana's Trench to the peak of Mount Everest and everything inbetween. And also sometimes everything above that.

[tepid plinth]

and sometimes Battlefield

[half halo]

And pizza

[vague barn]

and popcorn

[half halo]

Oh yes, popcorn and your popcorn seasoning for sure

[vague barn]

:D

[feral garden]

What about sliding?

😂

[spice bramble]

Well, talking about philosophy sure is more interesting than talking about Battlefield at the moment...

[vague barn]

what about battlefield philosophy?

[half halo]

To shoot or not to shoot, that is the question

[spice bramble]

Hobbyist.

[vague barn]

"Do I shoot and reveal my position, or do I hold out for a better opportunity?"

[vague barn]

Me.

[spice bramble]

There's a dude on Reddit trying to tell me that medics use snipers.

In real life.

If the situation requires it.

[vague barn]

Weeeeeeeeell, it depends on what the person means by sniper. Knowing this is the interwebz it's likely the person in question means marksman rifles.

[spice bramble]

That's exactly what he means

Said medic could run a LMG/MMG based off of his argument

[vague barn]

In that case, yes, CLS personnel can be armed with marksman rifles.

[spice bramble]

Like actually

[vague barn]

That I have a harder time believing and have never heard of occuring.

[spice bramble]

This dudes argument is that depending on the sitatuion, you can be assigned any gun, so that's why all classes having all guns in 2042 is "realistic"

[vague barn]

Yes, the marksman in a regular infantry section/squad is usually a more accurate rifleman, providing the same effect in terms of firepower as a regular rifleman (obviously situation dependent) so it's possible that they might be dual-roling as a combat life saver and designated marksman.

[spice bramble]

Actually.

He doesn't mean MARKSMAN rifle.

He means long range sniper rifle

[vague barn]

Oh, yeah no.

[spice bramble]

Sorry, I misunderstood

[vague barn]

You don't put a dedicated sniper rifle in the hands of a medic.

Nor a MMG.

Though it is somewhat common practice for sniper teams to be qualified as combat life savers which is like the step below an actual combat medic.

MMGs — and I would argue LMGs as well — are never assigned to combat life savers or combat medics.

[spice bramble]

He just used it as an argument to have all weapons available to all classes

[vague barn]

Tell him he's delusional and send my regards.

[spice bramble]

Just so you know, I'm not really taking this seriously, I'm just curious

fuck, curiously is a word now

[vague barn]

Tragic times.

[spice bramble]

It actually is nvm

shoot me

[vague barn]

Okay, send me your address and a few thousand dollarydoos.

[spice bramble]

Do it for free

You greedy bastard

[vague barn]

Nah, I gotta cover my travel expenses and the disposable weapon.

[spice bramble]

You should adjust your situation to my needs

[vague barn]

Although, I could probably just stare at a piece of sheet metal and it would assume the form of a FP-45 Liberator.

[somber wraith]

Damn bro you sound so cool and tuff talking in the internet

[spice bramble]

lol

Who's gonna tell him

[somber wraith]

He’s still typing

[spice bramble]

Him = you

[vague barn]

On a serious note though: Sniper rifles, whether semi-automatic (as the US Army tried to do) or bolt-action, are never assigned to regular infantry soldiers in the first place. They're a specialist weapon system and as such require extensive training to use to their fullest potential, hence why sniper courses are pretty difficult to both be allowed to attend and then receive a passing grade.

Marksman rifles, however, are pretty common in regular infantry units so it's definitely possible for a combat life saver (CLS) to be given a marksman rifle and be expected to fill both the role of marksman and CLS.

[spice bramble]

I don't think so, erm. Actually, medics can sprint with 20 kilograms of gear, swiftly aim their sniper rifle, and take out a target at the distance of 300 hundrer meters.

No training needed.

[vague barn]

Ah yes, I forgor.

[spice bramble]

CLS means what, exactly?

[vague barn]

Combat Life Saver.

[spice bramble]

Oh, right

I get it, it's Combat Life Saver, no need for an essay now. /j

[vague barn]

The tactical medical chain is usually divided into roughly two levels of care:

1. Combat Life Saver — Provides the initial life saving care, hence the title. Usually found at the fireteam level, though not that often an official title held by the person.
2. Combat Medic — Provides additional care for the casualty and then arranges medical evacuation (if necessary), can be found at squad level in the US Army, in some other armies at platoon level and up.

[vague barn]

Yes, but I like to talk about this subject.

Some armies/units have additional levels of care in their tactical combat casualty care (TCCC) chain, but usually the TCCC looks like that and then terminates when the casualty is evacuated. After that it's a lot more complex.

[spice bramble]

We need to add this to Battlefield as classes. /j again because I'm fucking funny bro

You're going into the lands that are not beknown to me

[vague barn]

I know, but I am a nerd for medical and sniper stuff.

[spice bramble]

I will promptly shake my head in the upward and downward motion respectively and pretend I know what you mean

[vague barn]

Very good.

[half halo]

Really interesting

[vague barn]

I agree.

[spice bramble]

My desire is that your glamorous way of expressing oneself transfers itself into my frontal lobe, so that I, too, can integrate such noble words into my life and carry myself around with pride.

[vague barn]

I wish you good fortune and luck in your endeavors to achieve this goal for yourself.

or shall I say

lmao good luck fam

[plain bluff]

it just occurred to me just how brainrotted i am

because "combat life saver" sounds verbose

[spice bramble]

Aren't we all brainrotten

[plain bluff]

no

[half halo]

You miss-spelled on, which means something is opened, meaning you want your mind to open, which means you realize the brainrot you suffer, which means yes to @spice bramble's question

[vague barn]

I thought I was capable of insane thought acrobatics, but this man has just put me to shame in that arena.

[spice bramble]

I'll soon put you to shame in the linguistics arena, you pretentious amateur. You shall bite the dust.

[vague barn]

I do not believe ad hominem attacks at my character are warranted, let alone necessary under these circumstances. Qua a qualified internet stranger, I shall however wish you a very pleasant evening and a happy midsummer's eve.

Or something, that was just me ad libbing.

Aaaaanyways, I shall now depart for the remainder of the evening so as to enjoy my recurring free-of-charge death demo commonly referred to as "sleep".

[spice bramble]

Sorry, I was in character.

[vague barn]

So was I, no worries.

[spice bramble]

Sleep tight, bro.

Dream of CVs

[past crown]

Did anyone got an email yet of the battlefield labs access ?

[half halo]

Good night!

[half halo]

It was last week

[feral garden]

Be careful with replies, cos most people are askng about emails they expect to receive after that initial mail.

Which no one has yet gotten

[half halo]

I was just trolling a bit 🥰

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/what-monkey-shook-shocked-surprised-gif-8153885586429536809

[past crown]

https://tenor.com/view/rude-why-are-you-blaming-me-why-me-huh-youre-so-mean-gif-16809017

[half halo]

[fallen echo]

My Welcome Back Screen (Playtests Available doesn't say Battle field labs anymore is that normal ? Am I still enrolled ?

[fleet robin]

it means you've signed up

[half halo]

Mine never showed that 🤔

[fallen echo]

mines did and then i did another (extra) survey on the site and it disappeared

[half halo]

Interesting!

I think you're in the lucky ones!

[fallen echo]

that's what i thought then i did an extra survey and it disappeared i hope that didn't ruin my chances

[half halo]

Nah, I think you're good mate

Don't overthink it!

[pulsar shard]

same i did the second survey and now i cant see it in the playtests anymore

[fallen echo]

mann i hope we are good lol

[pulsar shard]

i hope so,in my other alt account i received the same email but without the survey which is weird

[half halo]

I guess this pretty much confirms that my odds of getting in are 0 now

You better provide good feedback boys! 🙂

[pulsar shard]

If you dont see the playtest in the welcome back screen then you are in

[half halo]

Well I never received the survey email you are talking about 🙃
I did two surveys but never from an email, straight from the labs website 🤷🏻‍♂️

But it was like a week and a half ago

So again, I don't think I'm in the same train anymore, mine got lost on the country Side 🤣

[fallen echo]

in the play test ? for the signup for play test ?

[pulsar shard]

yes

[fallen echo]

yes to which question ?

[pulsar shard]

I said that if he dont see the battlefield playtest anymore that means maybe he is in too

[pallid coral]

I don't think that has anything to do with if you're in or not, I think it's just the website's fault on showing that to some people while for others it's already disappeared from day 1

Super confusing, but we know that whether you're in or not depends on if you get an email from playtesting at ea dot com or not

[pulsar shard]

for me this happend only in 1 of my 3 accounts

ive signed up with my other 2 accounts but never received any confirmation or survey but only received the confirmation in my 3rd account and now i cant see the battlefield playtest anymore in the playtest list,but on my other accounts i can still see it in the playtests

[rustic crest]

I signed up on day one and only just received the email saying you've signed up. 1.3 million people signed up so I'm guessing it's a back log tbh

[untold escarp]

Why tf do u need to sign up with 3 accounts,,
U aware thats against the user agreement?

[pulsar shard]

because i have 3 accounts many years

[untold escarp]

But why

[pulsar shard]

Ive bought different games

[pulsar shard]

and i was competitive back then and wanted to smurf in other games

[untold escarp]

U could sign in with the same acc on different games. U aware u just self reported urself? 💀

[pulsar shard]

okay bro good luck finding my other accounts

[mossy marten]

[mighty loom]

so when does the playtest start

[half halo]

🤷‍♂️

[mossy marten]

If you get an email invite

[pulsar shard]

[pallid coral]

guys my bflabs.exe is crashing 🙀 how do i fix it 🤔

[nimble bridge]

You don't need deep dive to understand BO6's issues. It has 0 original maps, almost all the maps are taken from Warzone POIs, SBMM is thicker than ever leading to frusturating matches, non existent anti cheat and it being on gamepass means cheaters will infest it. Cheaters are even a bigger issue in a game with SBMM because any deviation of skill will be extremely noticeable in a lobby when you are used to playing against your own clones.

[untold escarp]

I didnt know u were allowed to talk about the playtest and being participated to playtest

Im pretty sure battlefield labs said its closed playtesting, so there cant be any talk or evidence of it. But idk maybe im wrong

[pallid coral]

its a joke

playtest hasn't even started yet

[untold escarp]

O lol im sorry i have autism 😭 i thought u was srs

[pallid coral]

fallen for the bait 😭

[untold escarp]

I guess? I just thought u were srs n didnt see it as a joke bc of my autism

[pallid coral]

what does autism have to do with it just curious

[untold escarp]

I cant tell social queue stuff, esp online. So i can never tell if someone is joking or being srs. Its similar to how i cant tell if ppl r joking about me or bullying me

[pallid coral]

ah thats fair, tho tbf i was lowkey making it sound half-serious for the reason to bait people in anyways so dw

[untold escarp]

I also didnt know playtests didnt start yet too tho lol

[pallid coral]

yeah who knows, hopefully ea at least tells us that they've started it, not leaving people in the dark and just wondering

[untold escarp]

Its ok, no hard feelings. I hope they atleast say what quarter of the year it will be

For playtests

[lime river]

You just got trap

[untold escarp]

?

[strong lion]

Soontm

[timid needle]

goodnight!

[lyric thorn]

DON'T ADD SKILL BASED DAMAGE!

[nimble bridge]

Skill based damage isn't real

I do believe they are running bots on multiplayer though

They also seem to have skill based spawns, whenever I die I spawn in front of enemies, no one spawns in front of me though

[manic gate]

I meant XDefiant if you scrolled a bit up 😅

[nimble bridge]

Oh my bad

[covert nest]

Conspiracy theories!

[tepid kernel]

They are still sending mails

[nimble bridge]

EA doesn't even send me ''thank you for reporting cheaters'' mails anymore

[versed token]

They only do that when they get banned

[gritty hearth]

???

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/CzruSXW0zu

[nimble meteor]

the next battlefield should include full-auto shotguns

[gritty hearth]

Lmao, I actually wouldn’t mind that.

I love full auto shotguns.

They don’t get enough love.

It’s always pump-action or semi automatic.

[nimble bridge]

Next BF should include SBMM/EOMM

[gritty hearth]

Next BF should include no anti-cheat.

[nimble bridge]

👆

[cursive nymph]

where is my playtest leboskiiii

WHERE IS MY PLAYTEST SHITHEAAD

[vague barn]

I did actually have a CV9035 MkIIIc in my dream.

[rustic crest]

Dice, i know you're "COOKING" as people say now, but please release the playtest 🥺🤣

[gritty hearth]

Holy crash out.

[cursive nymph]

ayy im starvin for some new bf content brother

this aint have to be a playtest tho

some trillers or anything will do

[fleet robin]

might be waiting a while

2042 reveal was in june

[rapid fox]

Here your revel will be leaks

[cursive nymph]

yeah but there aint any leaks yet

at least on pages i use to check for leaks

[fleet robin]

can't talk about leaks here it's the official discord

[nimble bridge]

||2042 ||will most likely get new content next week

[cursive nymph]

meh

i need smthin freash

smtin like

idk

new bf xD

[plain bluff]

youre acting as if youve never experienced a good game drought that lasted longer than 5 years

[feral garden]

For me its been a BF game drought since BF1 😛

(BFV was fine, but I was so sick of the WW era by the time it released. BF1 felt more like a WW2 shooter than a WW1 shooter)

[twilit pilot]

air

[vague barn]

Whoever would have imagined that a World War 1 game heavily reliant on experimental weapons that were further developed and put into use in World War 2 would feel more like a WW2 game than WW1
surprised pikachu face

[coral glen]

Agree BF1 was last great Battlefield
Also last game with premium

[tepid plinth]

been so unfortunate for me in that sense. Couldn't play bf1 or v until several years after their launches, 2042 comes out and i'm all prepped to play but then it ends up like it did

super unlucky

[feral garden]

BFV is kinda foggy to me, cos I played it lots at launch and enjoyed it. But then I was working away from home for like...9 months. When I returned and started playing again, I really didnt like it all that much anymore.

[tepid plinth]

that's a shame

[feral garden]

So I kinda just stopped playing it

[deep mica]

BFV has semi good vehicle combat, but apart from that, it has some of the worst maps unfortunately

out of like 15 maps only 2/3 might be worth playing

[feral garden]

Vehicles in BFV felt good. They felt powerful from what I remember.

[deep mica]

ye tanks were great

i played so much of the tiger 1

[cursive nymph]

still waitin for bloodborn pc port

;33

[vague barn]

Unpopular opinion; there should be not full-auto or burst-fire pistols in-game.

[plain bluff]

[tepid plinth]

fair enough tbh

[nimble bridge]

I don't really care, automatic handgun in 2042 is a peashooter anyways, it could've been cool to have an SMG-like sidearm but it's just bad

[vague barn]

I wouldn't mind them as much if they were locked to a specific class, but having every single class have access to either a full-auto or burst-fire pistol seems to just result in everyone using that one.

I liked how Hardline did it where different classes had access to different categories of pistols.

[nimble bridge]

BF1 had class specific sidearms too

[versed token]

Doesn't help that the glock burst is the best pistol

better than any smg too

[vague barn]

I know the G57 in 2042 was/is ridiculously good, in my view partially due to the burst, and based on recent experience in BF4, practically no one uses anything other than G18.

[feral garden]

I enjoyed shooting that LZ pistol they added, but it does really crappy damage IIRC

[nimble bridge]

Nothing beats Deagle in terms of TTK

Not even G57

[vague barn]

Oh, the Laugo Alien pistol in 2042? LZ-9 or something if memory serves. I liked that pistol, but as you said, its damage output is rather pathetic.

[feral garden]

Yeah, that one. Feels good to shoot, has nice audio...but the damage makes it useless. when it comes to sidearms, I just want the one that can kill 1,2 or 3 people if im in a bind. Deagle and M44 are technically better, but I dont like skill cannons. Im old lol

[versed token]

Deagle is more of a spam cannon

[nimble bridge]

Deagle has like 200 ms TTK with CC, legit kills faster than SMGs

Other pistols are around 400 ms

[versed token]

Until it does a perfect circle around your target

cause lmao accuracy

[nimble bridge]

Rex is also close to deagle

[feral garden]

I just prefer the recoil, mag size and performance of the Glock.

[vague barn]

I don't even want to kill 1, 2 or 3 people with my sidearm, I just want to use it to buy time or get out of a bind. If a secondary weapon can serve as essentially a primary weapon, what's the point of selecting any other secondary than that.

[feral garden]

It would probably have been fine if they didnt also give it a drum mag 😄

[vague barn]

Also a very valid point.

[feral garden]

My favorite pistol, the m1911 is totally useless in 2042 tho

even with the extended mag it feels so terrible to use.

[versed token]

I kinda like it

[feral garden]

Id hope the next game isnt afraid to let the side arms have decent performance

[versed token]

It's easier to use it hipfire only

[feral garden]

Pistols in older games were strong, but limited by their mag size and ammo pool. So it was fine for them to be strong, as the availability was limited.

[nimble bridge]

MP443 is most cost efficient in terms of bullets, you can kill 7 people with 28 round mag before a reload

[vague barn]

They should have decent performance, but not exceed a primary weapon system of comparable caliber, in my opinion. Sidearms should be a "coup de grace" close range weapon and not be effective beyond the close range bracket.

And, again circling back to my initial point, not be fully-automatic or burst-fire, so as to promote more variety in what is carried.

[feral garden]

Im fine with a sidearm outperforming some primaries, as long as they cant do it for an extended firefight. Just limmit the mag size and ammo pool

[vague barn]

In short range, sure, but the damage drop-off should be pretty significant imo.

[feral garden]

Ideally I want everything I shoot to feel lethal, not like a pea shooter

Yeah, like inside 10m they should be deadly AF

[vague barn]

Exactly.

But beyond that they should start to decline quite quickly, whether through accuracy or pure damage output. Not saying it should suddenly drop to zero or any such radical change, but as BF4 did have a downward slope.

[nimble bridge]

Turns out Rex one taps to the head up to 50 meters

Could've been better than deagle and m44 combined if it had sight options honestly

Even just a single red dot

[versed token]

Trust me

You don't need that

[half halo]

Welp, reddit is getting heated (won't say why, but easy to find)

[versed token]

Reddit gets heated every 5 minutes

[covert nest]

Why they angry this time

[wispy dagger]

I believe API man

[half halo]

Not angry, I meant heated as in excited

[covert nest]

Oh

Leaks?

[spice bramble]

No leaks

[feral garden]

All I see on the Battlefield reddit is shit posting "Should my cat be in the next Battlefield"

[spice bramble]

All the comedians there are making posts like "Should Battlefield have Honda Accords?/ [insert actor]?/ [insert item]?

[vague barn]

Armour Piercing Incendiary man?

[feral garden]

Exactly

[wispy dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/5KXXr7JWVW

[signal vigil]

i was just about to post this here!

TLDR: don't expect anything before March 4th

[spice bramble]

@vague barn Guess I was right after all, eh? (after wrongly predicting it multiple times)

[vague barn]

Perhaps, I'm not quite willing to hold my breath in anticipation for it though.

But, I am a rather skeptical individual when it comes to leaks.

[spice bramble]

Oh, you distrusting man!

You shall rejoice in anticipation!

Fuck, I'm not as good at talking like a snob as I thought

[vague barn]

Indeed not.

[feral garden]

Now we all have disappointment to look forward to on March 4th! (When nothing also happens on that day 🤣 )

[half halo]

March 4th is a day off for me, so I'll have all the pleasure to drown myself with booze once I notice no email in my inbox 🙃

[mild girder]

So invites will come within a week is my guess

and 38GB for PreAlpha is crazy

[vague barn]

If accepted, I might be able to download that by the time the playtest ends. /s

[mild girder]

When the Open Beta launches which will be 60GB lol

[pallid coral]

guys uploading a new build doesn't mean they're gonna start the testing then 😭

[fleet robin]

this is like the people watching steamdb all over again

[spice bramble]

Something will happen, something will happen, SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN , something will happen ................

[pallid coral]

honestly man thats so fun

[fleet robin]

"guys the branch got updated we're totally getting something new this time"

[pallid coral]

you dont like the thrill of it?

[fleet robin]

i think it's a bit silly

[pallid coral]

it feels like im a kid again excited for something

[fleet robin]

i'm not that invested in any games atm though

[vague barn]

Would you like a padded room and a straitjacket to go with that illusion?

[pallid coral]

well me neither, (maybe arc raiders) but still, i guess small things like this excites me

[mild girder]

I mean, since they now publicly announced doing more "open" testing and not fully closed and hidden, this is something new. They said it will start in the coming weeks and this would just make the most sense

[vague barn]

The amount of times I have seen the reasoning "it would make the most sense" is almost revolting.

Not saying it's impossible that we'll see something, but do restrain your expectations and optimism slightly.

[pallid coral]

There's a difference between theorizing for the sake of fun of the ride (and knowing that won't hurt you if that doesn't happen) but some people take it far by thinking it WILL happen on that day and then get sad or angry when it doesn't happen. I think the former is actually really fun and thrilling if you know what you're doing 😂

[gritty hearth]

They changed the icon, tuff.

[pallid coral]

what icon

[gritty hearth]

Server icon.

[vague barn]

Unfortunately I am unable to prescribe a dose of pessimism to bring your expectations down, of course, but it is much better to be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.

[mild girder]

Im to 70% confident something will happen, but if not, then i will just keep waiting

[pallid coral]

It's really on themselves

[fleet robin]

it's been that way for like a month

[gritty hearth]

Naw man, it's white text over black now.

[pallid coral]

If you're theorizing without grains of sodium then it's your faul t

[gritty hearth]

It was black text over white before.

[pallid coral]

are you inverted colorblind

[fleet robin]

lmao

[gritty hearth]

Actually my Discord may be acting up

[pallid coral]

Hahaha hopefully, who knows

[gritty hearth]

It's back to normal now.

[feral garden]

BF labs is fully closed testing. WYM?

[fleet robin]

i'm 20% confident that there's a 60% chance of something happening

[mild girder]

even if Invites are being sent out and people will leak the mails, i wont be invited

[vague barn]

As you may surmise from my Discord bio, I do enjoy theorizing.

[mild girder]

I said "Open", i know its a closed Alpha with a NDA

[pallid coral]

I will never betray my loyalty to Arc Raiders and that's why I'll always put BF7 2nd at best 😤

[feral garden]

Its literally called a CTE - Closed Testing environment

😛

[mild girder]

But before BF Labs was announced, we never knew that they were already playtesting the next BF

so thats why i said its more "open"

[pallid coral]

i think what helpmaster means is that dice are willing to be more "open" towards us in terms of recaps of cte's and shit

idk if that was the case with bf4, i only played on a ps3 without much cte knowledge (i dont think they had cte on ps3 either)

[mild girder]

CTE wasnt really a secret thing since nearly everyone with a Premium Pass could join

[feral garden]

There was no NDA on the BF4 CTE.

[vague barn]

The BF4 CTE was a Community Test Environment as opposed to a Closed Test Environment.

[pallid coral]

getting lost in terminology here

im predicting a going-nowhere conversation

[feral garden]

Realistically we have no clue what will or will not be shown, and in what detail. Best to just wait and see.

[mild girder]

Jesus, just looking at the Patches for the CTE, This was Patch 1: A significant addition in the patch was that the player tickrate was increased from 10Hz to 30Hz.

[pallid coral]

bsod you don't understand our childish nature of being excited for little crumbs dropped from anyone 😂 it's just a thing

[mild girder]

10Hz is crazy

[vague barn]

Almost like there's a reason it was increased.

That sounded excessively passive aggressive, apologies.

[mild girder]

Wait, why does the BF Wiki say that BF4 was in Testing Phase for iOS lol

[vague barn]

Commander Mode, probably.

[mild girder]

Android isnt mentioned so idk if they either forgot it and mean the commander mode or idk

[pallid coral]

i just noticed why does the bf subreddit have a lot of "should the next battlefield...." posts 😂

[mild girder]

oh no lol they wanted a port

" A port of the game for iOS is currently in development though it is unknown whether or not it will be released."

thats interesting

[pallid coral]

u sure thats not battlefield mobile

[silver cedar]

I hope commander mode comes back

[mild girder]

Imagine playing BF4 on your iPhone 6 lol

[mild girder]

nope

[pallid coral]

bfmobile was actually p fun, i hate that they just dropped it 😭

[mild girder]

“It has been quite a challenge [to port Battlefield 4 to iOS],” said Frostbite Go’s program manager Kristoffer Benjaminsson.

[pallid coral]

oh damn

[vague barn]

Because Reddit is an unholy hive of scum and villainy filled to the brim with life forms of equal competence and predictive qualities to those of a paralyzed goldfish.

[pallid coral]

i feel like mobile fps games that last over 20 minutes per match are in a VERY small niche

[mild girder]

Playing shooters in general on a phone is meh

[fleet robin]

very true

[pallid coral]

pubgm takes a lot of time to get used to but still, brokethrough mobile gaming so hard

[spice bramble]

One way to put it.

[mild girder]

the current iphones could easily have all the current BF games and the old one ported

[manic gate]

It was running garbage on the 360/PS3, would literally be impossible on phones at the time without it looking like completely different

[pallid coral]

should the next battelfield be like bf4?

[spice bramble]

Not gonna lie, I do scroll on Reddit. I'm not deranged, however...

[mild girder]

Well dice said they ported some parts of BF4 to iOS

[manic gate]

It was meh for me.

[silver cedar]

I wonder when bf labs come out

[manic gate]

Good they recognised it would fail and they cancelled it

[vague barn]

I'm not deranged.
I have seen people locked in emergency psychiatric care wings of hospitals who have made similar statements.

[manic gate]

totally not including the fact I had to vpn to Malaysia with like 130 ping just to try it

[spice bramble]

If I say that I am deranged, will it make me not deranged?

[vague barn]

It will make you aware of your condition.

[golden vortex]

Perhaps not having to talk about being deranged or not is the least deranged thing you can do

[manic gate]

Easy way to farm karma

[mild girder]

i love how all gamers are losing their mind. BF Players wanting to play the Playtest, HL Fans waiting for a announcement

[manic gate]

And the general BF sub is genuinely senile.

They attack you for even implying you god forbid.. have fun with 2042

[pallid coral]

thats true, but a lot of those also feel very... cheap/low quality posts

[manic gate]

90% of the discussion there is just rose tinted nostalgia jerking

[mild girder]

When it launched, i would understand the "Hate", but now its a better game and can see people liking it

[pallid coral]

like someone says "should the next battlefield have an immersive atmosphere" no shit 😭 wtf is that question, that's the expectation

[manic gate]

Seriously, go play those games you reminicise about, they're not dead

[mild girder]

i should fake a Mail of an Invite to troll the whole Subreddit lol

[spice bramble]

no

[manic gate]

And for the ones that are, we all know a major reason why, not much reason to keep them up when barely anyone still touched them.

[pallid coral]

rose tinted is an understatement

[spice bramble]

I always say 2042 is a good game, just not a good Battlefield

[vague barn]

I always say 2042 is a game.

[spice bramble]

You always

shut up nerd

[vague barn]

:)

[mild girder]

Lol just found a post "Can we remove these low effort "the next battlefield" posts? "

[pallid coral]

i wanna say bf hardline was a good game 😭

[pallid coral]

probably by me (jk)

[spice bramble]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WANNA

You should say it with PRIDE

[pallid coral]

if i say it im gonna be attacked by the bf3/bf4 lovers

"but.. BUT SIR"

BF3 WAS PEAK

[spice bramble]

Hardline was GREAT and I loved it

[pallid coral]

ur EU too, u can still enjoy the "FREE" server

[mild girder]

"They have been going on for so long, this sub should be called BattlefieldCircleJerk

If you thought this sub was good before, you are blind and stupid"

[pallid coral]

its 40/64 right now on PC playing on Chinatown

[golden vortex]

Hardline was fine for what it is, but it's the Battlefield game that was least like what I would consider "Battlefield"

2042 is fine on that front tbh. The specialists are just pre-defined gadgets for classes for the most anyways

[pallid coral]

i think my most memorable experience in any bf games come from bf hardline, bfv and bf4.

[mild girder]

Had some cool elements like Ziplines, Leaning out of cars etc

[pallid coral]

hotwire was a unique gamemode for what the game was

kinda reminded me of the finals' cashout gamemode

[mild girder]

i liked that mode

[golden vortex]

Oh sure, just wish it had been in more a military setting on actual "battlefields" instead of cops and robbers in cities

[vague barn]

Hardline had a few interesting ideas tbh. Different categories of sidearms, shared individual weapons from different categories, selective unlocking of equipment, etc.

[golden vortex]

In Battlefield Vietnam you could have jeeps hanging from wires below your helicopter and you could use it to bowl the jeep into things. Kinda want that again.

[vague barn]

Also had the Bullet Spraying Pistol m/45B in Hardline, a completely useless weapon that I used for far too long.

[pallid coral]

i will say it was a bold switch-up, i lowkey think it was intentional so that BF1 stands out even more

[golden vortex]

You gotta switch it up, can't have game developers do the same thing over and over again and expect good things to stay good.

[feral garden]

2042 is kinda wild. Cos it was heavily alluded to be a follow up to BF4. But it was probably as far away from the core BF4 experience, while being in the same era/world that I can imagine

[feral garden]

Good is subjective TBH. Id wager that the majority of BF players would play a new, modern era BF game...which was regularly updated with new maps, modes, weapons and vehicles for a decade without issue. The base game just needs to be right.

The reason we dont get 10 years of support on a game is because a lot of the profit for a new game is acrued in the first 3-6 months of release. (so releasing a new game is better for profit)

[vague barn]

Games with a fixed lifetime make more money, immortal games generally do not produce as much profit.

Which, I suspect, is why modding support isn't that common in major titles.

[golden vortex]

I will wager that the majority of the community most likely won't like whatever game comes out just because the simple fact that not even close to half the community can agree on what they want. It can be a brilliant game and that will still happen. That's the main issue with being a 20+ year old franchise. It's like you can't make a good Star Wars movie 😄

[feral garden]

Its funny, cos whle that seems to be true...what a lot of companies also want is evergreen titles.

[vague barn]

The only way, to me, to have an "evergreen" title requires modding support so that the community themselves can add more experiences or aspects to the game. Take Arma 3 for instance, released in 2013, still has a very decent playerbase for what it is. Then again, to counter my own argument, there's also Planetside 2 which has been up and running for ages even without mod support.

[golden vortex]

A map editor for Battlefield would do wonders tbh.

[vague barn]

Planetside 2 does have an interesting community involved aspect though, with skins and some cosmetic items being made by the community.

[vague barn]

Absolutely agree, I viewed Portal as a step in the right direction to having such a tool as part of the game.

Map editor for Battlefield would be insane for replayability. While there would undoubtedly be heaps of dogshit maps, there would just as undoubtedly be some absolute gems created by the community. I know Red Orchestra 2: Heroes Of Stalingrad had a community map-making contest where the winning submission(s) were included in the game itself.

[nimble bridge]

C actually stands for community

[pallid coral]

The reason we dont get 10 years of support on a game is because a lot of the profit for a new game is acrued in the first 3-6 months of release. (so releasing a new game is better for profit)

Meanwhile Rust going on for over 12 years in active development (ik, different types of games too)

[feral garden]

A BF game for once actually leveraging its back catalog of awesome maps would also do wonders. Instead of getting 1 drop of maps from old games (Portal in 2042, Second assault in BF4), id prefer them add remakes of past games maps throughout the games life.

[manic gate]

Nah you can make it happen, just make your monetisation like a mobile game's

Look at cod mobile

[pallid coral]

is that a DF reference

[manic gate]

[vague barn]

Completely baseless speculation here but I would imagine it could also serve as a good recruitment tool for new level designers, and maybe even other specializations, since they would have gained some experience with the Frostbite engine from making maps as part of the community, and then not need as extensive a "on-boarding" process for new employees.

And yes, I realize there's a lot more to the recruitment process than that, but it'd provide a "helping hand", I imagine.

[pallid coral]

That's the best part of modding* imo
Being able to have a pretty good chance of being hired from the company itself if you're good

[vague barn]

Agreed, I know Bohemia Interactive has snatched quite a few good modders from Arma 3 into their official ranks.

[manic gate]

Also you can basically not add any new maps yourself and rely on the community doing the hard work for you

Just like Infinite

[pallid coral]

BI's formula:

• make game fully mod supported
• make 2 official maps
• profit

[nimble bridge]

CoD servers are still 20 hz It makes sense for WZ but even regular multiplayer is at 20 hz

[vague barn]

Pretty much yes.

[manic gate]

It does when the playerbase don't complain

[pallid coral]

i dont remmber last time i played on a fully vanilla arma server

[nimble bridge]

Monkey paw, BF6 is going to be 2042:2, HL3 is going to be Alyx 2

[vague barn]

I think BI also has quite a decent idea with their Creator DLC program. Where major mods or smaller development teams can develop a DLC for the game independently of the BI studio themselves and make money off of it. Obviously very reliant on the quality of the Creator DLC itself, but none the less, an interesting idea in my view.

[mild girder]

BF6, maybe. HL3, it wont be Alyx 2

[pallid coral]

Oh, idk how the Creator DLC program works 👀

[vague barn]

I have some insight into it since I know some of the devs from the Praire Fire and Spearhead DLC teams going back to like 2016-ish.

It's an interesting idea, just a shame that CDLC managers at Bohemia aren't that good from what I have understood.

[nimble bridge]

It will be HL2: Epsiode 2.1

Since Valve is allergic to number 3

[ebon beacon]

GTA fans still waiting for trailer #2!!

[mild girder]

Soon

[silver cedar]

[half halo]

[rapid fox]

Thanks

[gilded merlin]

Can someone help me real quick?

[cursive nymph]

what u need my guy

[gilded merlin]

Never mind

[cursive nymph]

aight

[wispy dagger]

Is that you big dog?

[coral glen]

Constantly checking my email is getting exhausting lol

[still wren]

So don't

Chill for awhile

[half halo]

Feeling you buddy

[acoustic falcon]

Soon™

[mossy marten]

[restive ginkgo]

I don't think if you filled out the survey originally (before they altered it) that we'll likely not get another survey email just PSA.

Would be curious if anyone does, but think they probably have it noted down for those that filled out the survey before it got nuked cause EA servers were ded

[rustic crest]

https://youtu.be/1HPwL6Tok8s?si=YHnhW2kUwKf64dbU

Seems to be soon guys 🔥🔥

[marble flicker]

hope os

so

[steel nest]

next scam nice xd

where mod

[marble flicker]

i just wanna see the Ui right now and i hope its closer to BF4 tbh

[half halo]

I prefered BF3, but it was going with the tone of the game

For sure it needs to be FAR FAR AWAY from whatever they tried with 2042

I still don't understand how that UI got green light lol

[rustic crest]

🤣🤣🤣 Ayit, 2042 was a disaster. Like the new update when you wanna change weapons... You press X on Xbox, then have to press LB to change weapons. It's like they're going backwards with 2042 and the game have been abandoned...

[heady trail]

so march 4th?

its what he said

nvm i don't know what he said, let me turn on subtitles

[silver cedar]

Remember boys and girls that we are playtesting, so after it's done we need to tell DICE what's
good, bad, and what to add

[nimble bridge]

What's the issue with 2042's UI?

[mossy marten]

No server browser for a first

[next stream]

why was i invited to playtest skating game

[plain bluff]

it was a litmus test and now youre eligible for being punished under the NDA youve been given upon reading the mail

no battlefield testing for you

[nimble bridge]

I hope next BF has a camo grind similar to CoD

BO6 even lets you earn skins based on previous titles based on your prestige, prestige system doesn't make sense for BF style game but I hope there is an incentive to grind

I would love to use skins based on WW2 era BF games or 2142

[vague barn]

While I am unfamiliar with how Call of Duty handles the camo grind, I will say that having skins require ownership of previous titles is a bad idea in my opinion. I wish/hope that the next Battlefield game has a progression for camouflages/skins that is separate from functional elements.

[nimble bridge]

You don't need ownership though, for example prestige 1 is WaW themed so you get an Model L skin that turns it into an StG44, or an MP5 skin that turns it into a Tommy Gun. Prestige 3 or 4? is BO2 themed so you get a character skin that resembles white suit of Menendez etc.

[covert nest]

His campaign suit yeah.

[vague barn]

Ah, I see, I must've misunderstood what you meant.

Idk maybe I am a killjoy but I don't really fancy the idea of having StG 44s or Thompsons in this game outside of Portal or some such.

I'd hope they stick to a consistent theme.

In my land of hopes and dreams, there'd be an extensive weapon component system that allows you to essentially "kitbash" a weapon system together. Say for instance you have an M4A1, you could modify the upper receiver/handguard, stock and pistol grip to turn into a L119A2.

Gets rid of the need for a bunch of separate but visually similar looking rifles, but without giving up visual variety.

[nimble bridge]

I personally want a mix of BF4 and V's customization, every weapon should have 4 attachment slots(if they support it) with scopes, underbarrel, muzzle and accessory for lasers, picatinny rail, maybe light stock? etc. but also a specialization slot for unique upgrades. Like do you want higher rate of fire for your AEK or a 40 round extended mag.

[vague barn]

I'm always a little skeptical about the concept of modifying a weapon's rate of fire or magazine capacity. It seems to me to be a recipe for making a overpowered combination of attachments and "specialization".

[nimble bridge]

Yet you praise gunsmithing

[vague barn]

I do, but with reservations.

[nimble bridge]

If it has downsides it will work fine like it did in V

You could use light bolt for higher RPM but you had to give up on 50 round mags

[vague barn]

I suppose one could do something like that, I'm just not crazy about extended mags or rate of fire modifications. I wouldn't send an angry letter to the DICE studio in Stockholm if it ends up being implemented, but I think it'd be better if it were not.

To each their own, though.

[nimble bridge]

I'm fine with 2042's attachment system with the exception of different mags, we don't really need 5 different mag types

Mag sizes should be standard or if you have the option to change mag sizes then it should be like BFV's system imo

[vague barn]

Yeah, if there is extended mags then I hope it'd be similar to BFV where you have to trade out something else, but ideally I wouldn't see it at all.

I think 4 attachment slots, comprising optic, muzzle device, underbarrel rail, and device slots, would be ideal, with the rest being cosmetic changes.

[nimble bridge]

👆

I hope there is plus system if it's not then I would love to have option to have different loadouts for same weapons, or loadouts for same classes

Like in BFV I used anti tank assault with DMRs but when I used infantry assault then I was using ARs

[vague barn]

I don't want the plus system personally, but I do want a user-defined presets system.

So you can still quickly switch weapon configurations, just not on the fly.

[vague barn]

That's something that always had me confused about Battlelog for BF4. You could make preset loadouts in Battlelog, but there was no way to switch between them in the actual game.

[kind anchor]

I would love for a comeback of the commander mode, obv with some tweaks and new features.

[worldly pebble]

Hello someone receive a mail from EA ?

[spice bramble]

yes, an ad for the sims 4

[worldly pebble]

???

😂😂😂

[gusty wren]

No

[plain bluff]

you dislike gunsmithing but want attachments of modifications that change rof or capacity?

if weapon mods (basically your run-of-the-mill attachments) are grounded in reality, i can support it

[nimble bridge]

Difference is that with gunsmithing you can have both, and make it a laserbeam up to 120 meters

Warzone meta is 60 round mags on ARs and no recoil attachment setups

[plain bluff]

sounds to me like your problem is execution, not the concept

[nimble bridge]

I dislike gunsmithing but it's not a gamebreaker for me I just prefer less attachments to make guns feel unique, if every gun has the same 60 round mags and same no recoil setup then all of them feels the same

[plain bluff]

you keep repeating this argument like its your boogeyman. please understand that any AR with >30 mag capacity is diving into mag-fed lmg territory and wont exist in bf

battlefield explicitly never has had or will ever have a system of any kind* thatll allow weapons to be made to feel the same

[nimble bridge]

Rounds in a mag isn't an indication of a weapon's class, RPK has less ammo than AK5C for example, K30 has more than either of them

[plain bluff]

rpk has less ammo than ak5c?