battlefield-labs-discussion

[mossy marten]

not that i mind an animated mastery skin

[minor linden]

I don’t particularly blame them, but it isn’t just about them making money. It’s about them actively making the game worse to get more potential profit

[feral garden]

In their minds they are not trying to make a worse game. So no, they are not actively making a worse game

What company trying to make money would actively try to make a worse game. Those two statements do not allign

[nimble bridge]

It will never happen

[grand crow]

A profitable game is not necessarily parallel with the vision of an objectively good game though

[feral garden]

The creative leadership and directors in charge of 2042 were just wrong. But they are long gone from the franchise now. (For over 4 years)

[nimble bridge]

Best thing they can do is to make skins fitting for the setting

[feral garden]

As they did with 2042 TBH. the skins they actually released were pretty great with keeping with the tone of the game, seasons, ETC

Now did I buy many of them? No, not really, but im sure lots did. (I think I bought 3/4 skins in all my play time)

[pulsar shard]

The skins and they collabs they did were far away from grounded

[half halo]

At least it wasn't like CoD

When I see shit like MNT, I just want to rinse my eyes with bleach

[pulsar shard]

yes it wasn't like cod but this was very close to cod

TMNT in cod lol

[half halo]

It was BO4-MW19 level, but nowhere near what CoD has since MWII

When I see stupid shit like this in CoD, I just say "fuck it" to myself and don't care about winning anymore, my sole mission is to find and kill the idiot who bought it as much as possible during the match

Toxic? Maybe...
Deserved? Yes

[covert nest]

Having no freemium currency to buy some of the lesser stuff is a genuine sting.

[half halo]

That's true

At least with BPacks (and I didn't like them and still don't), we could get them by playing

[pulsar shard]

You know what cringes me more

not only the skins on soldiers

but also the skins on guns

i dont have a problem with skins such as camoflage but colors like pink gold red is what gets me

[covert nest]

It doesn't hurt anyone.

Except for the people they're shooting.

[pulsar shard]

also skins in vehicles

[half halo]

Well, CoD has a problem currently with weapon skins that had a specific death effect and some of those effects are creating issues

[pulsar shard]

i dont have a problem with darker colors but the lighter is what ruins the tone and the immersion of the game

[half halo]

Lighter vehicle skin is just an easier Target for me 😈

[pulsar shard]

[covert nest]

I remember when the pacific theatre released i went for the bikini atol skin for the corsair 1a.

It was bright red and every fucking zero a6m2 went for ME.

[nimble bridge]

Agreed, ruination universal skin looks pretty cool but I don't want to spend money on it lol

[heady trail]

Hope we get a wheelchair class

[restive portal]

[twin zenith]

Hell yea,

Good luck out maneuvering

[frozen yacht]

The only thing that makes me avoid Call of Duty is all the hackers and cheaters that continue to plague it.

[nimble bridge]

Only thing makes me avoid CoD is SBMM

Only enjoyable parts of nuCoDs are betas because there is no SBMM in beta

[pallid coral]

Only thing that makes me avoid COD right now is everything

From the goofy cosmetics to the super sweat-fested lobbies to cheaters and insanely fast ttk and horrible launcher support and huge download file and not the best performance (compared to games like THE FINALS)

It feels like the modern day COD is just a parody of its formal self

[tall urchin]

Only thing that makes me avoid CoD is the cosmetics, and the RAA, and the EOMM, and Activision, and the cheating, and...

[gritty hearth]

They are trying to be Fortnite.

And to be honest, no one really does it like Fortnite.

[ebon beacon]

Yeah the EOMM and SBMM makes matches feel manipulated, rigged. I am hoping that BF2025's matchmaking is based on connection speed or whatever other filters you specify, with a server browser and persistent lobbies. I am also hoping that if they whatever reason use 2042's dumb "disband-the-whole-server" system, that the playercount in each match makes aggressive SBMM infeasible.

[nimble bridge]

SBMM is infeasible in BF simply because you need a variety of good and bad players in a match

Good players can farm enemy team while bad players can play a support role with taking out vehicles, spot them with recon or revive other players etc.

[tall urchin]

I feel you, I have no idea why they dropped persistent servers in BF2042 it's made the already miserable matchmaking even worse.

[mossy marten]

Money

[nimble bridge]

Grind has persistent servers now, issue is it doesn't seem to have a team balancer

Losing team will continue to lose because of that

[alpine rock]

BF4 caught a lot of flak for the battlepacks but that stuff was tame compared to what's the norm now in multiplayer FPS games

[alpine rock]

SBMM is pointless for the sole reason that individual skill rarely influences the outcome of a match

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, a good squad can influence a match but players can't

[alpine rock]

Even the world's sweatiest attack heli player on Shanghai can be made useless by a SOFLAM and two guys with Iglas

The only reason cracked 140 rank players have any influence on the flow of a match is because the other team lets it happen

So long as you have a cursory understanding of how different gadgets work and when to use them, even a team of mediocre players working together can win easily

[maiden bolt]

That's easy to say, a lot of good heli/gunner tag teams aren't so simple to take down

On the one server I frequented more often than not the only danger to the attack helicopter was the enemy attack helicopter

[alpine rock]

True but a two man AA team can also effectively counter them

The cover that a heli can hide behind to avoid fire can also be used by engineers to periodically hide while locking on to the heli

[pallid coral]

not just that but also the fact that every player in a server has a different purpose on playing the game

not everyone is PTFO'ing hard and trying to win the entire game, some are just trying to learn a new vehicle or finish a challenge/quest/battlepass challenge

some just wanna get a long sniper headshot by camping on one spot the entire game

an objective "skill" doesn't exist, and counting ptfoing and kills as "skill" wouldn't be meaningful

[nimble bridge]

DF's SBMM doesn't work because of that too

It looks into SPM

Someone with 90 revives and someone with 50 kills per match isn't going to be in the same skill level yet they are sent into the same matchmaking pool

[nimble bridge]

We need more infantry only maps in next BF, I hope Vince delivers us that

We need at least 2 new meat grinders + metro and ziba tower from portal

[vague barn]

More infantry centric maps would be cool ngl. I wouldn't mind if DICE walked out their office doors and went into the Stockholm subway to get some inspiration, especially considering that entire system is built to be a bomb shelter in case of war.

I realise Operation Metro is a bit of a fan favorite, but I wouldn't mind a Operation Metro II to carry on.

[nimble bridge]

They should name it Operation Subsurface

[vague barn]

Subsurface operations for some reason have become increasingly common in Army curriculums recently.

I know the UK Royal Marines have been practicing subterranean operations in Gibraltar, and the US Army have been doing the same in Fort Benning.

[nimble bridge]

Well I meant it as a synonym of underground lol which is the name of the metro remake in BFV

[vague barn]

Fair enough.

[craggy epoch]

Yo

[vague barn]

Hello

[craggy epoch]

Nieźle

[vague barn]

Oh, actually, in the category of subway/underground/metro remakes. Stockholm Central Station could be pretty cool to fight in as an infantry only map.

Or just something based on Muskö Naval Base.

[spice bramble]

no meatgrinders as base maps pleeease

Most braindead maps

[versed token]

They need atleast one

They're one of the most popular maps

[vague barn]

There's undoubtedly going to be 1-2 in initial release.

[spice bramble]

I hate 'em but I'm unfortunately the minority

If they at least made them like redacted and not Locker/Metro, I'd live

[vague barn]

Ideally, it'd be like Redacted.

Just with a more metro/urban theme.

[plain bluff]

Operation Clearout

Its just a Mall with its underground garage

there you go

Alternative names; Whole Sale, Black Friday, Crash Price

[spice bramble]

Not too meatgrindy. People couldn't spam explosives

[vague barn]

Speaking of explosives spam; XM25 can go to hell.

[echo mural]

So do we have some more information about the labs stuff? No new emails or anything?

[safe moat]

Not gonna lie a small mall map would be cool to have

Like Operation Metro

[plain bluff]

maybe a stock market building

atta do it

[tepid plinth]

no. And theoretically nobody should unless you are in it

[weary mantle]

i mean, i agree. Submarines should return to Battlefield

[vague barn]

An infantry only map inside an aircraft carrier could be fun.

[versed token]

Sounds like actual hell with how tight corridors are in those

[vague barn]

A valid point, for sure.

[fleet robin]

submarine map would be locker and metro combined cranked up to 11

2 players per square metre

[half halo]

So basically like the New cod Map, which is just a bullet train? A straight line lmao

[worn pecan]

I’ve been thinking of a map where halfway into the game the surface gets nuked and the server has to retreat into a big bunker underground to continue the fight (and to survive the fallout), transitioning from combined arms to something more focused on infantry since the surface kills the irradiated players overtime

That would be cool

[nimble bridge]

They listened to community and made the hallway meme a reality lol

[feral garden]

Metro remake, but with flanking channels like we have on redacted that are functional, moving train cars.

[worn pecan]

Mix of metro/locker and a big map on top for the first part of the game

[nimble bridge]

This

[versed token]

I don't want more metro

Either make a new map with the same concept

or make a completely new small map with a different concept

[feral garden]

Seine crossing / Metro mash up.

[nimble bridge]

I want ziba tower too honestly but ziba tower is too small for BF gameplay. Realistically it would be TDM/Conquest only(unless they bring back gun game).

[feral garden]

Close quarters dlc worked cos it was 4 maps. If we got just one of those maps as a full seasons content, it wouldn't go over well with the playerbase imo.

[nimble bridge]

If portal is coming back will they support it this time?

Like instead of making let's say 2-3 maps per season they might add 1 portal map, 1 base game map

Or 1 map per portal game + 1 new map

[mossy marten]

Museum

[worn beacon]

Vehicle spawn times and team spawning "into or not able to spawn into" mechanics need a total redesign IMO.

Capture points need to be farther from each other. No capture point should be able to cover a different capture point. PTFO one capture point at a time

Spawning then being shot in the back by an enemy that was 10 ft away has to stop

[half halo]

For Portal to survive, they need to put some Limits to what the servers can be. Like if you look at portal right now, it's either xp farms or 1000% damage disgusting BS

But I agree that they need to add maps, Weapons, etc. This Time around

I think the Idea behind it was the best thing coming out of BF2042.

[fleet robin]

i disagree tbh

[half halo]

But the implementation was bad

[versed token]

They advertised portal as crafting your own experience

[fleet robin]

people will play what they want to play. Creating a sandbox, seeing that people only play on one type of server, and then banning that type of server just means you're going to have 0 players

[versed token]

limiting that would take away the whole point of it

[half halo]

So basically we scrap away all the progression system altogether?

Because why would I Play normally to rank up and unlock New stuff

[fleet robin]

because it's fun

people play the way they want to play

[half halo]

If I can just go in portal and unlock everything in 15 minutes

[vague barn]

Would be very fun for sure.

[worn beacon]

Progression is broken

[fleet robin]

if you want to play on a 1000% xp server and skip the grind that's your choice

i don't like that, progression is part of the game for me

[nimble bridge]

I personally don't care about portal, portal means less support for base game as can be seen in 2042. But people are claiming it's coming back so let's hope it's supported this time.

[worn beacon]

You get nothing by ranking/progressing

[feral garden]

I hope they don't do eras, or segregated gear/vehicles.

The whole game should be built on portal. Everything visible in server browser. Separate tabs for community and official modes, but the community should be able to host official modes and have them be visible and easy to join.

It probably needs a tag system, so browsing players know to expect official or custom settings.

Portal is not just eras. Portal is the entire framework for building and hosting modes. Every single ltm and new mode in 2042 was built with portal.

[nimble bridge]

Unironically yes, all gadgets should be unlocked from the start, lock weapons behind levels or challenges, I don't care but gadgets should be fully unlocked.

[half halo]

Gadgets I can deal with that

[worn beacon]

What military goes to battle without gadgets unlocked

[vague barn]

I respectfully disagree, there should be some effort involved and not all unlocked at once.

[worn beacon]

Pondhawk v2 needs guns

[half halo]

Progression, especially in a live-service game in this era of gaming, is necessary for the game's survival

If There is no meaning or anything to Grind for, it can get stale and boring pretty fast if the maps are trash

[nimble bridge]

Most people who will play next BF already played a BF before, I don't think anyone wants to unlock spawn beacon or TUGS for the 10th time

[feral garden]

Stop suggesting fixes for things that don't need fixing. There is nothing wrong with gear and gadgets being unlocked in a progression.

[plain bluff]

buzzkill. let the discussion happen

[worn beacon]

Progression with ending dates are lame. We all can't play at specific times

[versed token]

Progression as it has been since dawn of time doesn't need to change

[vague barn]

Speaking solely for myself, I would prefer to unlock them again. Maybe I'm a dopamine addict but I like the reward element of it, especially in the initial stages of the game experience.

[mossy marten]

we need a more in depth mastery skin grind than 2042s

[feral garden]

Buzzkil for stating my opinion. But others are allowed to make theirs? Get lost

[half halo]

If I was a Dev and reading this channel, I think I would have pulled my hair so Many Times just thinking about the amount of different feedback I'd get from labs ahahahahah

[nimble bridge]

Most live service games has a skin grind to keep it going, not equipment grind. Marvel Rivals basically unlocks every hero from the start.

[half halo]

I wonder how they will filter the feedback

[half halo]

You get it

[half halo]

A nicer skin as well

[worn beacon]

skins mean nothing to me

[nimble bridge]

BF2 had minimal progression 🧓

[mossy marten]

100%
the red and black was boring and uninspiring

[versed token]

Rivals has the whole progression being climbing the comp ladder

[worn beacon]

I want "magnetic air vehicle" effect to stop

[mossy marten]

but a mastery skin that has a rewarding grind is always fun

[plain bluff]

if youre solely here to state "just dont discuss x since (it was solved already)" isnt an opinion. its an ultimatum. im simply gonna lurk and see how this develops because it might be interesting.

[feral garden]

Starting the game with a proper class system also allows better progression. Unlike 2042s.

Play as engineer > unlock engineer gear

[worn beacon]

makes sense

AA has too much range. In BF3 planes had to land to self repair, and you had to hunt down the AA all round

[feral garden]

US players literally complain all the time about dice trying to reinvent the wheel, or change things not needing changes. Yet here we are asking for it 😅

[nimble bridge]

Most people are playing casual

[pallid coral]

I remember in BF4 on the PS3 the only things I had unlocked were DMRs and snipers 😂
I never played anything else

[worn beacon]

BF3 was best

discuss that

[versed token]

and those people have a battlepass grind

[pallid coral]

Feels like that's been discussed a gazillion times tho 😂

[feral garden]

Progression is a key part of the new game and new player experience. Overwhelming a new player with all gear unlocked is a terrible idea imo.

[nimble bridge]

Battlepass grind is basically another skin grind

[worn beacon]

what's battlepass...

[versed token]

Sure is

[pallid coral]

80% of the conversations in this discord have something to do with "BF3 was peak" or "BF4 is peak"

[versed token]

it's a hero shooter after all

[pallid coral]

Gets quite boring imo, it's just circling to the same thing every single time

[worn beacon]

They can learn from their own best game

[pallid coral]

Of course

[plain bluff]

battlepass is content that didnt make it into the launch window. thats it

[nimble bridge]

2042 is peak

[feral garden]

Battle passes are designed for day to day retention.

[worn beacon]

Someone here said "stop changing what's good" BF3 was best, why'd the mess it up?

[pallid coral]

Because BF3 was the best back then, not now

[worn beacon]

battlepass is a real life money grab

[vague barn]

I don't mind those comments, but they should have some further content beyond that, i.e. "BF4 is peak, because X, but Y, maybe they could Z for the next game".

[pallid coral]

Compare to current audience, possibilities in engine and mechanically etc

[feral garden]

Bf3 progression was pretty good. Gear wise.

Gameplay and such is pretty dated these days.

[worn beacon]

If you played BF3, and all of them too, then you'd know

[pallid coral]

I haven't seen many of those, I just leave when that conv starts tbh 😂

[feral garden]

Bf4 progression was OK, but weapon unlocks/battle packs system was weird and a bit annoying

[worn beacon]

COMS is key to fun.

[plain bluff]

id like a bit more elaboration on this.

[vague barn]

Fair enough, you do you, mate.

[pallid coral]

I played BC2/BF3/BF4/BFH/BF1/BFV/BF2042 so I do know

[worn beacon]

BF3 and Teamspeak servers made the game fun

[nimble bridge]

I disagree because people can read item descriptions. Devs shouldn't treat players like children imo. Like we all know what spawn beacon or a defib does lmao.

[worn beacon]

@swa word!

[pallid coral]

BF3 was good, but if I was JUST introduced to it in 2025, I would see so many things that would annoy me

[nimble bridge]

If a new player wants to use SRAW instead of RPG then let them.

[versed token]

Yet i still get minimum revive health

[pallid coral]

Devs shouldn't treat players like children imo
FACTS 🗣️ (but I also agree with Bsod)

[feral garden]

A very high % of players are complete n00bs who need their hands held.

[nimble bridge]

Meant for @feral garden

[plain bluff]

but... the majority of players would likely be in the underage bracket?

[heady thorn]

[pallid coral]

Learning from failure is fun in games too

[tepid plinth]

So many people are driven by gear and skin progression that they’d probably just quit after two weeks if they didn’t earn new stuff over time

[feral garden]

And having a progression unlock system also helps them learn what does and doesn't need balancing at game launch.

[pallid coral]

I think the game should be designed so that people become power users fast, after tutorial/hints

[mossy marten]

BF3 gameplay stuff that are dated:

• suppression (and it affecting spread and gun sway)
• not centered crosshair (aka visual recoil)
• movement is janky and dated now
• Various glitches and bugs that would drive people mad

[pallid coral]

BPs in new games are inevitable 😭

[tepid plinth]

I don’t play with that approach but aside from easing players into the potential gear options, that incremental unlock feeling is of course one of the main reasons it’s done this way

[worn beacon]

Player survival times should be made longer, to put more value on staying alive. Respawn times should take much longer, maybe you spawn at base first, so you'll play a bit more tactical.

[ripe hornet]

No matter what, BF3 was peak and BC2 laid the fountain for it. After BF3 everything was completely uninteresting

[manic gate]

It's almost like if they should draw inspiration from a more recent title that many agree has perfected the foundations of BF gameplay...

[mossy marten]

There is no BF with perfect gameplay

[feral garden]

2042s battle passes and weekly missions were pretty good imo.

[covert nest]

The token system is genuinely good.

[manic gate]

Not entirely perfect but it is very close to

[covert nest]

I'll give credit where it's due. Its token system was very good.

[pallid coral]

I did enjoy the crisp feeling of shooting someone and seeing my shots connect. In BF1 the recoil on most guns were too insane for me to notice as much as BFV

[covert nest]

Now. That being said. We just need more control over our games!

And then hey good game!

[worn beacon]

Tired of WW shooters

[manic gate]

But alas they'll listen to the loud crowd of players that only played BF3/4

[pallid coral]

Tho I will say BFV's recoil system is definitely way more "idealistic" and not super realistic

[feral garden]

I'd also like daily missions tho, which would give some soft currency like the scrap. Which could be used to unlock set weapon/soldier/vehicle skins or looks.

[worn beacon]

Never need another WW shooter in gaming

[pallid coral]

Cries in Squad44 😎

[tepid plinth]

No realism
Real bad

[nimble bridge]

We need a test range like BFV/4

[worn beacon]

Suppression, or something like it would be great.

[pallid coral]

Not bad, just different 🤷

[mossy marten]

gunplay is garbage in my personal opinion
movement is good, but could be tweaked to be a bit smoother
customization (but that's cause limitations of it being ww2 based and not modern era)
attrition
tanks with the annoying ass "glancing blow"

[manic gate]

[worn beacon]

Is weapon balance good? I play the same gun always

[vague barn]

I don't mind selectively unlocking stuff, but I think to be able to selectively unlock the equipment, you should be required to play the game and not instantly have access to everything. I like the idea of a "point"/whatever system where you can accumulate "points" of some kind and expend them to unlock new equipment, to include gadgets, weapons, attachments.

[pallid coral]

You just master a weapon and play it then yeah I mean

[worn beacon]

@swa right

[feral garden]

Suppression that's purely visual, and starts with a blur on screen edge, that progresses to cover more of the screen (but never the full screen or your sight) would be interesting. Some form of auditory suppression effect could also work.

[nimble bridge]

Agreed

[plain bluff]

But V and Hardline had some of the best gunplay the series can offer?

[worn beacon]

@feral garden for sure.

[mossy marten]

BFVs not centered crosshairs + the "spread = recoil" system is annoying af 🤷‍♂️

[plain bluff]

also, glancing blows are an awesome mechanic

[vague barn]

I'm in full agreement with this, something to give a claustrophobic effect but without throwing you under the bus to the extent you can't return effective fire.

[worn beacon]

Tired of getting "SQUASHED"

[mossy marten]

and i never mentioned hardline, but it does have good gunplay (just make crosshair stay screen center and it would top all BFs)
warsaw revamped's updated gunplay was also top tier imho

[tepid plinth]

Can give it a use without making those 1v1 or small group fights annoying

[plain bluff]

i know you didnt mention hardline. i did. because i wanted to give one more entry so you could understand my position better

[nimble bridge]

Visual suppression should exist imo, it makes a game feel like BF, 2042 would've felt more like a BF game if it had visual suppression for example

[mossy marten]

bfv gunplay and hardline gunplay aren't similar at all tho

[versed token]

Visual suppression is definitely the move

[tepid plinth]

Another thing to add to my notes

[plain bluff]

i never said they were similar. i said theyre the best (imo) gameplay the series offered...

executions can be different and still be good

[mossy marten]

fair
i still think BFVs gunplay is the weakest in the series, along with bf1

[vague barn]

A vignette with a touch of chromatic aberration, maybe sound ducking for the audio effect (@feral garden). I.e. the "snaps" of the bullets become louder, everything else becomes lower in volume.

[plain bluff]

ear canals close as the walls start closing in

[tepid plinth]

Would at least be interested in seeing how that plays out

[plain bluff]

ringing in the ears

[tepid plinth]

Plz no, I can’t stand ringing

That and heartbeats make me feel feint at times

[plain bluff]

if that makes you feel faint tf you playing shooters for

jokes aside... really?

pray you never get tinnitus

[tepid plinth]

No idea why, fine with practically everything else. I remember back at secondary when we did those pulse checks for biology I just kind of faked it at times as I hated it

In fact I’m the reason there is a toggle for Zain’s passive proc in settings

[plain bluff]

wew that sucks

[tepid plinth]

Asked about it on the forums and they made it a setting

[plain bluff]

guess nurse cosplays arent your thing

[tepid plinth]

No

[feral garden]

It all depends. Stuff like this is easy to over do. You can make it a mild effect on the audio side, but you dont want to disadvantage the suppressed player too much. Especially in a MP shooter where directional sound is so important.

At the same time it all depends on what they do with weapon balance. Maybe they will want machine gunners (LMG user class) to act as a supressive forces.

[tepid plinth]

In some games it’s more bearable if it’s more of a synthesised sound but if it sounds like one it’s just… no

[vague barn]

Yeah, I am not suggesting they completely silence other sounds, but the supersonic cracks could do with getting louder in such a situation, in my view.

[vague barn]

You would hate Arma 3 with the ACE3 mod. Introduces both ear ringing and a heartbeat sound for elevated/lowered heartrates.

[plain bluff]

i kind of want to ruin the bf3 theme for you...

[tepid plinth]

I turned off those sound effects, or found mods to do so

[vague barn]

lmao

[tepid plinth]

Usually the white flashing and desaturation is enough to gauge my physical state

Or being on the floor

Which seemed to be 30% of my playtime

[vague barn]

I used to use the chromatic aberration effect in place of the white flashing.

[vague barn]

Played for 3 hours last night and only got a medium bruise on my chest all night. Assaulted three objectives as the pointman for the lead section, took over control over a fireteam when my section IC was MERT'd, spent some time clearing contested buildings and compounds, nearly had an RPG shot at me. Was a lot of fun, can recommend.

[tepid plinth]

But yeah visuals as a means of suppression sounds good. Best part of squad’s suppression is its visual elements. If the next bf aims to be slower with less movement options, you need ways to disrupt them to take space beyond just smokes. That might just be the way

[vague barn]

I should try Squad again... I have some friends who play that religiously.

[feral garden]

Has anyone done an audio comparison between the different audio they added for the circle of hell event, and default? It's an option in Portal now, but I didn't get to okay that mode much

[tepid plinth]

Played it once, got bored, didn’t touch it again. So I’ve not been exposed to it enough to know how different it is

[vague barn]

I'm hoping we get a good, decent test range.

[pulsar osprey]

same.

[feral garden]

Yeah. BF4s or BFVs was pretty good.

[vague barn]

Indeedelidoodad.

How do people feel about having the machine guns separated into light and medium again, akin to BFV?

So LMG can be ADS'd from the shoulder, whereas MMG have to be bipodded to ADS.

[spice bramble]

I'm feeling romantical

[vague barn]

Very out of the blue, and also about 2 weeks late.

[spice bramble]

I'd post what I was referencing, no embed perms though

[vague barn]

Tragic state of affairs.

Ah, never seen that one before.

[spice bramble]

It's pretty popular, or was

Whateva

Tomorrow the invites shall start...

[vague barn]

Tomorrow the wait shall continue...

[spice bramble]

I might just wingsuit into DICE's HQ and steal a hard drive with the game

[pallid coral]

Hopium vs Copium

[feral garden]

I'd be fine with it as a concept. It would allow them to make a different type of machine gun, that's more powerful, or with much higher rpm/belt size...but without making it extremely OP.

Similar balancing concept to the AT rocket gun from BF1. Very powerful, but also requires more skill and map awareness to use effectively.

They could also be added as battle pickups if they wanted to make them really OP

[spice bramble]

Portable DShK please!

[vague barn]

Interesting you mention belt size, I hadn't thought of that, but I think that having MMGs have a larger belt compared to LMGs would be a reasonable trade if they have to be bipodded to ADS.

[worn beacon]

@striker tinnitus is a biii.

[vague barn]

My guy didn't even choose the modernized DShKM 🙂

[worn beacon]

Games were better on 5 CDs + 6 hour install.

[feral garden]

I mentioned belt, as battle pickups could work as a limited ammo, single use item.

Aka, you'd pick it up and can't use your other gear while carrying it. If you swap gear, it drops the pickup.

[versed token]

So like BF1s elites or whatever

[vague barn]

Aha, alright.

[feral garden]

Kinda yeah.

Elites were cool, but maybe a bit annoying to fight at times.

[spice bramble]

I think MMGs should have explosive rounds and one shot tanks tbh

[feral garden]

Especially the armored MG or flamethrower guys.

[worn beacon]

BF3 had hidden weapons right? Kinda like elites

[feral garden]

That's bf4. It's where battle pickups started.

[worn beacon]

I like that idea, finding something before you have it unlocked, but you have to cap/hold the point

[mossy marten]

yeah, bf3 you didn't have to sprint to get the usas-12 frag rounds, you can spawn with it

[versed token]

Bf3 space program weapon

[vague barn]

The Battlefield Community requires rocket jumping in the next game.

[golden vortex]

We had that in a Battlefield game already. Wasn't a big success

[tepid plinth]

Let’s do it again but do it right this time

[worn beacon]

Pondhawk v2 with guns

shot guns

[vague barn]

I was (1) unaware of that, and (2) making a joke.

[mossy marten]

that's just a little bird

[golden vortex]

The Pondhawk is already overpowered

[worn beacon]

@mossy marten yes but more 😛

[golden vortex]

Well, it was 22 years ago in an expansion so easy to forget

[worn beacon]

Tear gas pondhawk

[feral garden]

A vehicle that's a mobile player launcher. Like those pods on the end game maps.

[worn beacon]

napalm pondhawk

[vague barn]

Or the ones in BF4 Final Stand or whatever it was called.

[feral garden]

Oh yeah, it was final stand

[vague barn]

Ah, so we're thinking of the same thing.

[worn beacon]

Does anyone jump in a chat room and play daily EST?

[vague barn]

I never played BF3 multiplayer for long so I thought there might have been some in BF3 End Game or something.

[worn beacon]

I just re purchased them all on Steam, BF1 to V. $15

[vague barn]

I repurchased BF4 because I was bored and on drugs.

Some time ago, naturally.

[swift grove]

anyone got an invite yet?

[plain bluff]

@swift grove if they did, they wouldn't be allowed to tell you

[golden vortex]

My electricity company invited me to pay my bill. That's some kind of invite.

[tepid plinth]

Politely refuse

[golden vortex]

That will make my graphics card "no workie"

[mental grotto]

😂😂😂👍🏼

[half halo]

Nah, I ain't getting married for a while, so the invites should be out in a few years

[mental grotto]

is this a trick question to see who can't keep anything to themselves? 🧐 heard enough?

[peak pumice]

I got an invite to a phone interview tomorrow if that helps

[peak pumice]

Its still kicking and decently cheap if ubwanna play now

[vague barn]

Nah, not really. Thanks though.

[still wren]

No one will have confirmation for weeks or months yet and different zones are not confirmed.

Until any news is posted on official DICE Social Media platforms or #battlefield-labs-news nothing is official.

What you all signed up for was to be in a pool to maybe help test the game. Do not expect to be entered.

If you are selected you are already under an NDA (Pre Release Feedback Agreement) and thus be unable to speak about being accepted or what you are testing.

[vague barn]

🤐

Technically, aren't we all unable to speak about it, considering we haven't played it?

[spice bramble]

You're not a philosopher

[tall urchin]

Counterpoint: pedal powered PC

[mossy marten]

or easier way
run an extension cord from neighbors

[half halo]

Wait? We aren't playing right now?

[golden vortex]

I made AI do the math. Conclusion. I'm not in that good a shape

[versed token]

Hire a few people to do it for you

[worn beacon]

I am always playing 2042. Mornings and Evenings EST

[vague barn]

Well, I guess you now have a solid goal with your physical exercise.

[half halo]

No

[fleet robin]

you can't talk about playtesting emails

i still wouldn't risk it

[pulsar shard]

for me its bugged

[fleet robin]

all playtesting emails are under nda

[pulsar shard]

i have registered so many times and im not receiving any confirmation

[fleet robin]

you don't get a confirmation for registering, only for creating an accout

[pulsar shard]

i mean confirmation for registering for the labs

not an actual invite to the labs

[fleet robin]

yeah that's not a thing

you don't get anything just for signing up

[dense path]

okay i delete my messeges sorry

[pulsar shard]

So im supposed to be lucky too then

[fleet robin]

yep

[pulsar shard]

cause in my other 2 accounts i received it

[fleet robin]

they'll have been different emails then so yeah one of your accounts might've not got it yet, or ever

also i'm pretty sure you're not supposed to sign up with multiple accounts so i wouldn't admit that in here

[pulsar shard]

Yeah i only did it because i thought the site was bugged for me

it was when the queues were happening and the site was too laggy

[half halo]

Valid concern

[feral garden]

It was funny to see statements like "Why are the queue and sign up so laggy".

Then the same person being like: "I signed up on 8 different emails"

😄

[vague barn]

Dear Tärning,

pls start test

hugs and kisses,
Hobbyist

Anyways, what are the views on separating battle rifles from assault rifles as happened in Hardline?

[vestal fulcrum]

It kinda made sense and kinda didn't

I think it comes down to the fact that the battle rifle fires a full-power cartridge compared to the assault rifle that fires intermediate-power cartridges, so I guess it makes sense for it to have its own category

[wispy dagger]

Maybe tomorrow we’ll get some news

[vestal fulcrum]

It also seems that battle rifles are more intended for Semi automatic purposes then full auto

[vague barn]

I would assume the Police theme also played into the decision, since support no longer had access to machine guns.

[vestal fulcrum]

Fair

[vague barn]

I'm very on the fence with whether it should be separate or a combined category.

[vestal fulcrum]

Just asked my Dad and he is saying that the Battle Rifle is meant for higher power, long distance engagements

So it makes sense that it gets its own category

Cause Assualt rifles are meant for short to medium range engagements

That full auto ain't gonna do you any good when firing from large distances lol

[vague barn]

Yeah, battle rifles tend to be used more for longer distance engagements, usually to bridge that gap between intermediate cartridge assault rifles and designated marksman rifles or sniper rifles.

[vestal fulcrum]

Tbf since its kinda its own thing it should probably have its own category

Kinda like the marksman rifles

[vague barn]

Yeah, my main reservation is whether it would introduce too many categories and who gets access to them.

[half halo]

Yep, usually Tuesday is news day

[vague barn]

Tewsday

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah, never enough categories

[feral garden]

In the words of KC, "Take your time, hurry up"

[mossy marten]

Chewsday*

[vague barn]

innit m8

[vestal fulcrum]

Yep

[mossy marten]

insert Hoxton from Payday

[spice bramble]

If nothing is announced tomorrow... I'll freeze myself and hopefully melt when a trailer releases

[vague barn]

I'll ensure you stay frozen until 5 months after release 👍

[vestal fulcrum]

Ill pull you out of the freezer in two years just like the hamburger patties I got sitting in my freezer

You never know when you want a burger, got to be prepared for the future

[spice bramble]

I prefer freshly made burgers

Baconcheese

[vestal fulcrum]

I prefer mine freezer burned and 10 years old

Makes me feel less poor

The freezer burn on the burger ages like wine

[vague barn]

kjempeflott

[vestal fulcrum]

Fantastic indeed

[spice bramble]

You do you king

[vestal fulcrum]

You dropped this 👑

[vestal fulcrum]

You actually Norwegian?

If so, you in Oslo?

[vague barn]

Nei, jeg er Svensk.

[vestal fulcrum]

I can barely understand Norwegian, yet it runs through my blood

[vague barn]

Ah, I see.

I am excessively Swedish, is what I am.

[vestal fulcrum]

Plan to visit some family up there eventually

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah so not Norwegian?

Swedish huh

[vague barn]

Correct.

[spice bramble]

Imaaaagine

[vague barn]

wagons

[vestal fulcrum]

My grandma loves talking about how she drove to Swedan for cheaper groceries

But I'm in America now so I don't really get it

[vague barn]

There was some dude a few years ago that got arrested for smuggling butter into Norway from Sweden.

That made for an interesting news story.

[tall urchin]

Time for specialized training then lol

[spice bramble]

Surely she drove there for the patties

[vestal fulcrum]

Is butter illegal?

[spice bramble]

yes

its a drug

[vague barn]

Norwegian Krone (currency) is generally worth more than Swedish Krona (currency) so it's very common for people in the border regions to travel into Sweden for shopping.

[vestal fulcrum]

That I do agree with

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah fair

[spice bramble]

Swedens the cheaper Norway basically

[vague barn]

It is not, I think the reason the guy was smuggling it across was that there was (somehow) a butter shortage in Norway at the time (if I recall correctly, which I might not).

[vestal fulcrum]

Eh sounds like just using your better currency in a land with a less valuable currency

Like if I bring a USD dollar to south america

It be worth a shit ton

[vague barn]

I actually hold a lot of admiration for Norway, even though I have zero ties to that magical land. I have some ancestral ties to Finland and my goodness gracious do I have admiration for Finnish sisu.

[spice bramble]

I said it to take a jab at the Sweeeede

[vestal fulcrum]

I'm more impressed that Norway didn't get oiled corrupt

Watched a few videos on it

Most countries that struck oil usually ends up like South America eventually

Where the Oil companies own the gov

[vague barn]

Norway could probably buy the rest of Scandinavia with that oil money.

[vestal fulcrum]

How the turn tables

[vague barn]

Indeed.

[vestal fulcrum]

So anyways

Whats yall thoughts on BF5

[vague barn]

Meh

[vestal fulcrum]

And whats yalls favorite thing about it

[vague barn]

Haven't played it in far too long.

[vestal fulcrum]

I mean fair

Ain't gonna remember everything but

For me at least its got to be the ammo limitations for vehicles

[vague barn]

Yeah that was nice.

Anyways, since it is now half past 10 PM in my current country of residence; I shall bid you all farewell and wish you a happy halloween.

[spice bramble]

The snob has spoken

[vestal fulcrum]

I bid you a good farewell

[half halo]

Bro is 4 months late

[deep mica]

amogus

[candid mulch]

Just remake battlefield 4

[deep mica]

no thanks

time to take off the rose tinted glasses

[dusty sphinx]

[deep mica]

[dusty sphinx]

[deep mica]

[nimble bridge]

I hate the idea, LMGs and MMGs were useless in V

[stray veldt]

not in breakthrough

[feral garden]

They are just more situationally useful than other weapons. thats why I think they'd work better as battlepickups, but be very powerful.

[nimble bridge]

They still were imo. LMGs are clunky ARs with mag sizes somewhat even lower than ARs. MMGs are 200 round beltfed bullet dispensers except when you fire every sniper will have a free kill.

That's why everyone played with Lewis in BFV, it was the only LMG with LMG mag sizes

[covert nest]

Lmgs very well were not useless.

They were more accurate assault rifles and extremely well balanced.

[nimble bridge]

20 rounds per mag ain't it

People used support to play with shotguns in V because of that

[covert nest]

Fg42 wasn't an lmg and was akin to an ar.

Bar reloaded so quickly and killed well.

Brens 30 rounder was small but its reload speeds were really quick.

[cursive ridge]

looks at my bfv stats

My machine guns stats would like to have a word with you.

[signal vigil]

Remake hardline

[wispy dagger]

Sbmm is just a troll I’m convinced lol

9/10 takes are L’s

[nimble bridge]

When people wants to use LMGs they want to go Rambo with big mags. BFV's system is flawed because you can't have good mag size and mobility at the same time. MMG users are free kills for snipers in BFV.

LMGs in BFV are more accurate ARs with slower TTK. I would rather use any AR over any LMG(except maybe FG42). At least most ARs has mag size above 20 rounds lmao.

[leaden kraken]

Didn't stop me from running around and flanking objectives by spraying and praying with my MG42 in BFV lol

Effective? Not really. Fun? Definitely.

As far as LMG vs. MMG in a modern setting, it could work if the MMGs were guns that are usually mounted, hence the heavier weight and requirement to go prone. Like the Browning .50 cal or DShK.

But I would personally prefer to have one LMG class that has all of the handheld belt-fed guns, while MMGs and HMGs stay mounted and vehicle weapons.

[nimble bridge]

Playing V and 2042 back to back made me realize how good LMGs can be when they can have 200 round mags instead of 20 🤣 Just because they have 200 round mags they aren't OP either. They are still clunky ARs. But they are far more viable.

[leaden kraken]

The main reason the BAR, Bren, Type 11, etc have such low ammo counts is because at the time, those were considered LMGs for a infantry soldier. That being said, not much in BFV is aiming for historical authenticity.

I liked using the Type 11 because of its quirky hopper magazine. I hope we get some weird weapons that aren't in most FPS games in BF6

[nimble bridge]

Hard to do that in modern era, everything is an AR15 clone

[leaden kraken]

I mostly want the NeoStead 2000 back, it was one of my favorite guns in BC1/2

[covert nest]

MMG's were bad in bf5.

For the most part LMG's were more accurate assault rifles and they kept with that theme really well.

The Bren was absolutely amazing.

[winter viper]

MMGs weren't bad, it was the constant need to be prone + the horrible visibility that made MMGs "bad", and promoted a campy playstyle.

[tall urchin]

Yeah, any weapon that relies on zero mobility means you just get domed by a skilled player.

[silk bear]

did they already pick the candidates?

i received an e-mail but tried to respond to the guidelines 24 hours later and it failed to work

[nimble bridge]

We will learn 10 seconds after they send the first mails. Someone will leak it.

[tall urchin]

MG42 was pretty much used for either anti plane by people who couldn't land the panzerfaust, or the spotting of suppressed targets via the support role.

[formal coral]

when the player test begin？

[spice bramble]

In one millenium

[mental grotto]

in the next few weeks. If you want to have a better chance ... ok no, I can't tell you that.

[mild girder]

when its ready

[spice bramble]

In the next few weeks its going to be next few weeks again

They could as well have said in the coming months

[mental grotto]

uhhh you'll know more in the next two weeks. 😉

[spice bramble]

dont tease me

[nimble bridge]

We had leaks from a whole year ago's playtesting and that was a closed playtest with 2042 running on the front. Whenever they start doing playtests we will see people streaming it day 1.

[dry grotto]

👀

[rapid fox]

As well as when they send invites, bet we'll see people posting screenshots on Reddit containing both their emails and "strictly confidential"

[spice bramble]

Eren, you can see into the future

[rapid fox]

My titan abilities are yet to be discovered by you.

[mild girder]

this smells of ai

[mild girder]

well people already showed screens of the registration complete mail which is also under nda

[rapid fox]

Yeah, I wonder if some got banned already lol

[nimble bridge]

I didn't even get that, I ain't invited 😭

[heady thorn]

[mild girder]

just wait

[rapid fox]

Your playtesting screen should be empty

If it is you are likely in

[mild girder]

i doubt it unless their reddit name is 1:1 the same as their EA Account

[rapid fox]

If not fill it again

[mild girder]

did the sign up on my 2 accs and got the mail on both

[nimble bridge]

Well looks like they are playtesting skate too, Imma signup for it, I have no experience with skating games though

[rapid fox]

I love to say that they will soon start to beg to playtest skate

I showed zero interest and got dozens of emails over 2024

[tepid plinth]

I just don't have a controller to participate in it :/

big shame

hitting things with extreme velocity in 3 was so fun

[nimble bridge]

There is an option to participate in it with KBM, they ask you what you prefer as an input device

[tepid plinth]

just for all the ones I've been emailed about or looked up they specified the use of controller

must have only added kbm within the last few months in that case

[mild girder]

nope

been a while like this

[gritty hearth]

I’m really liking BF4’s campaign as of now.

[tepid plinth]

well all of the invites i've had have specified it so idk what to say

[fleet robin]

Yeah they've been playtesting skate for years, I don't even remember how long ago i signed up for that

[gritty hearth]

I suck at multiplayer man💀

[nimble bridge]

Same

[plain bluff]

at some point youre gonna switch from a faster gameplay loop to a more thoughtful one

twitch shooters and zoomies are countered by positional gameplay

thats at least how it was for me

[versed token]

They really aren't

[plain bluff]

id love you to tell me why its working for me then

[versed token]

Doing it a few times doesn't mean it's an actual counter

[vague barn]

You can have the best positioning in the west and you'll still be at the mercy of someone with good aim and control of his weapon system.

[feral garden]

It depends on the game, and then that games design/maps. So many games these days have maps made for good/fast and often movement to be advantageous, over map knowledge and position.

2042s for example, there is not a lot of cover that actually covers multiple angles. Outside of windows in houses, ETC.

[vague barn]

"at the mercy of" might be too exaggerated, but you'll have a disadvantage, unless you too have good aim and control of your weapon.

[feral garden]

Take the nest area on Exposure for example. there is only 1 position (the table) in that command room that has cover from 3 angles, and its destructable.

But knowledge, positioning, ETC is only part of the puzzle of success

[plain bluff]

positional gameplay doesnt explicitly mean camping.

basically that

for as long as ive played fps games i see more and more people play aggressively.

[feral garden]

On haven for example, when trying to cap the D flag. the best position by far for capping that flag safely is the big metal bins by the wall on the C side of the flag.

there are multiple areas like this that will give you the advantage over a player with superior movement/aim

[plain bluff]

using knowlege of maps and routes you gain an advantage over others players and put them in a position where they can hardly retaliate, even if theyre shot up with caffeine and other energizing substances

[vague barn]

That I agree with, and it's pretty obvious to my mind that stationary gameplay doesn't usually work all that well in the long run. But even if you apply extremely good positioning, you will still need to land hits to actually defeat the opponent, something that requires a certain amount of skill in aim and control which, at least to my mind, are what twitch shooters are defined by.

[feral garden]

The reason I dislike 128P in 2042 is that there are very few ways you can use map knowledge and superior position to gain an advantage against so many players.

[plain bluff]

hence why the gameplay feels fast and lackluster without much thought behind plays

its very easy to tell a game thats made for mindless run and gun

[versed token]

Can't think of any spots where in a 1v1 you can "hardly retaliate"

[feral garden]

In a 64p version, you are up against players amounts you can sometimes handle. Say youre defending a flag against 3-5 players, but 128 essentially always doubles that abount to 6-10. which im not good enough to fight against, and the maps aren't layed out well enough to let me maneuver around that many players.

[versed token]

most of the time numbers is what's the determining factor of when and how you can fight back

[spice bramble]

What rhymes with tuesday
today
boom

Anyone get the reference please

[plain bluff]

@versed token by literally not being in front of them

by being behind cover. waiting to shoot at the right moment. basic ambush tactics

[feral garden]

Well BF games being a case of capture and control, and not just PVP/TDM...it all depends on the context of a 1v1.

Are you trying to cap a flag the enemy owns, is the enemy trying to cap a flag you own, is it a neutral contested flag.

Player action/re-action all depends on factorsdictated by the circumstance.

[versed token]

Cover is the obvious part

i didn't mention because it's a given

[feral garden]

If my team owns a flag, and its a 1v1 or 1v2 against me. I can afford to engage, and try to kill, maybe die to see who/what player is shooting and from where. I can quickly respawn and reengage in this circumstance

I do wish BF would get rid of the player numbers on the capture points tho. For me it makes the game feel dumber.

At least the player numbers on sectors seen from range

I get why they added it, I just feel it gives us too much info

[versed token]

Might aswell remove the bar that shows enemy presence too

[feral garden]

Regarding 1v1s in 2042...I cant tell you how much it angers me when im in a 1v1 and I get scanned by paik. 🤣

[vague barn]

As much as I hate applying real life concepts to video games, the principle of relative superiority applies even in video games (in my experience). Most engagements (again, in my experience), boil down to finding the vulnerability/-ies of your opponent and exploiting that fully. Whether that be a diversionary firefight (often unintended) and taking advantage of that to flank and defeat the opponent, or identifying the enemy weapon system and knowing their limitations to either close or extend the distance to a range that you are more comfortable with. In the case that both your own weapon system(s) and those of the opponent are similar or even identical (in the case of BF), it generally comes down to experience and the environmental considerations, who can leverage their surroundings to their benefit fastest and most efficiently.

To illustrate this point, I'll use one of my favorite techniques in BF4:

1. Throw smoke,
2. Throw decoy device into smoke,
3. Run in a flanking direction,
4. Wait for enemy to close into the smoke or expend their ammunition,
5. Take advantage of either:

• Their distraction by the decoy device when closed into the smoke.
• Their gap in fire when reloading.

6. Profit.

You might think this is a technique that I just made up, but trust me, most opponents I have encountered fall for this ridiculously often.

Identify weakness, create favorable conditions, exploit weakness and conditions.

[versed token]

and then you discover that the enemy can see through the smoke

rip in piss

[vague barn]

Does happen, and is annoying, but not a universal truth that it occurs or is paid attention to.

[versed token]

Mostly true for the cqb maps

most don't use those scopes outside of em

[vague barn]

I will concede that that shit happens way too often on Op Locker.

Speaking of which, 3D spotting, very annoying especially when it's shared across your entire team.

[feral garden]

Im mostly fine with 3D spots. Just make the 3D spotted duration a bit less, and make minimap spotting be last known/spotted location instead of a live tracker.

[vague barn]

I wish the 3D spot would only show for your squad and the minimap spot as you described only last known/spotted location.

[feral garden]

Realistically im fine with spotting as it is tho. even if they didnt change anything. Jusy fix the bugs with it. Like spot visibility through walls/geometry, ETC

[spice bramble]

2042 let you ping by double tapping Q

That should return

[vague barn]

That was a good feature in 2042, I have to say.

[versed token]

Being able to death ping should get fixed though

[vague barn]

YES. Please remove that shit entirely.

[polar pawn]

So, when I signed up for BF Labs, my video card was not at their suggested minimum. I have since upgraded my card... Is there a way (or do I even need to) re-send my info to that survey that was taken on the initial launch of BF Labs?

[heady thorn]

I wish the ping worked most of the time for me tho 😭

Lot of times i can't see my squad mates ping 😂

[versed token]

Hard to tell if it's even bugged sometimes

[wanton igloo]

Sure would be nice to get some testing dates

[mossy marten]

They ain't gonna say anything
And whoever gets an invite is not allowed to say anything either.
so the closest thing you will see to getting testing dates is if someone decides to drop leaks somewhere

[wanton igloo]

Hate waiting.

[gritty hearth]

Someone asked "why go in heli if you can't fly"

😭

[spice bramble]

Not even necessarily testing dates, just a confirmation that invites have been sent out

No harm in doing that

[peak pumice]

I hate when people say that shit in game bro like how do you expect them to learn?

[gritty hearth]

for real dude.

[peak pumice]

And then some of them will say "test range" like olay great. They can do basic movement. now how do they fight?

[nimble bridge]

I posted thoughtful gameplay to videos and screenshots

[rustic crest]

They must be COOOKING tho, still no news about the playtests.

Just hoping to god it's good man

Can't wait to uninstall 2042

[nimble bridge]

I'm not, playing as Blasco and seeing 300 ''spot denied'' per device is an eye opening experience. Most of the time you are dying to people because you are 3D spotted in BF games. If there was an indication when you were spotted like Rao's hack alert then screen would be beeping yellow every 2 seconds.

[mild girder]

they might do that since so many babys cried about not getting a confirmation mail

[long dock]

Yeah 3d spotting is a bad mechanic IMO

So little effort for so much reward

[nimble bridge]

BFV did fine without 3D spotting, or at least limited 3D spotting, only some classes could spot them(recon whenever they shoot someone or support when they suprress someone), I think binoculars also 3D spots but not sure

[spice bramble]

Pre-nerf Paik needs to return

[nimble bridge]

Most of the spotting should be 2D imo

Like on a minimap rather than a dorito on the player's head

[spice bramble]

It's the least they could do, really

Leaks are gonna happen anyway and giving people clarity is better than keeping them in the dark

[long dock]

There's no way they don't anticipate leaks if they're doing massive playtests

[spice bramble]

Of course they do

[long dock]

They've already been doing the smaller scale controlled playtests for a good bit at this point

[gritty hearth]

BRO SUGGESTED I GO TO THE TEST RANGE

[tall urchin]

Not to mention how many through smoke wallhacks exist in BF2042

What's with every modern FPS giving players a fucking wallhack ability

[nimble bridge]

Can't combat cheaters might as well give legit wallhack to players 😛

[spice bramble]

3d spotting seems even more busted in BF1

I was flying in a plane, just spamming Q over an objective, and it highlighted players with no issue

[vague barn]

3D spotting makes sense, but should be more restrictive, i.e. only highlighting for your own squad.

[spice bramble]

No news today yet again...

Another week, here I come

[vague barn]

Time for you be frozen down, my friend.

[spice bramble]

I wish I forgot they even announced labs

[vague barn]

What you could try and do to remediate that is to slam your head against a wall hard enough to knock yourself out and cause a case of amnesia.

The latter has a relatively low chance of success, compared to the former.

[spice bramble]

I'll take my chances

[vague barn]

🫡

[spice bramble]

NEXT WEEK. NEWS. TRUST.

Are you stating the obvious or have you seen something through your titan abilities?

[wanton igloo]

I believe nothing.

[spice bramble]

API man?

You shouldn't say that here...

EA preparing for labs is a given though

I was inclined to believe you when you said we'll get news in 2 weeks

[vague barn]

Armour Piercing Incendiary man?

[spice bramble]

Im desperate xd

[rapid fox]

lol

[rapid fox]

Same that's why I'm looking for pointless stuff

[spice bramble]

fuuuck why announce something just to make us wait

[rapid fox]

ikr

[feral garden]

So you knew to sign up, obviously.

[orchid temple]

"Why make us wait"
studio doesn't announce something relatively ahead of time
"Omg i never even heard of this coming out"

[spice bramble]

Well, obviously some time's needed...

Im in the wrong here I know

Just cant wait to see more

[feral garden]

Its only been 22 days. People are just impatient. Best to put it out of your mind, as you may not even be chosen to test.

[spice bramble]

You're totally right lol

[mossy marten]

22 days too long

[plain bluff]

22 days already passed and every single second we're closer to dying

testing is a matter of life and death. it's the breath of life

please

RELEASE ME FROM THIS TORMENT

[spice bramble]

Can't quite tell if you're being sarcastic to me but

Yes, release me from the t o r m e n t

[plain bluff]

i specialize in vagueness

up to interpretation

[spice bramble]

I prefer clarity

[plain bluff]

Schrodingers fanboy

[spice bramble]

Not that I care about physics

Man was a genius though, gotta give him credit

[half halo]

I wonder why not just announce labs when they are actually ready?

Instead of making people wait Weeks, they could have Said "hey guys, BFLabs registration is on and the playtests will start in 7 days, stay frosty"

[mossy marten]

true, they did announce it quite early

[half halo]

As much as hype can raise quickly, it can die super quickly

[versed token]

Who cares

it's literally just testing

[fervent eagle]

Because EA earning calls was the day after, also if you new to this, DICE has always been like that, make an announcement and then go radio silence for months.

[half halo]

Not New to this, don't worry.
The fact that it's always like that with DICE doesn't make it better

Lack of (transparent) communication is what kills so many games on the long run

Along with bugs, cheaters, lack of balance, etc.
*Adding this before someone comes with an "ACKCHUALLY"

[spice bramble]

this is what i meant

[restive portal]

any chiv 2 players in here

[half halo]

I play from time to gime

Time*

[heady thorn]

Hows all doing ^^

[tall urchin]

Drinking coffee on a day off, so can't get much better tbh.

[mossy marten]

[plain bluff]

feeling some hard melancholy right now

[fiery wedge]

Are we really supposed to get an email?

Didnt get one for a current test

[mossy marten]

if you're invited, yes

if not,

[heady thorn]

[mossy marten]

but then again, we don't know when invites are being sent out

or when tests are whatsoever

[fiery wedge]

Then why is there a test under "playtest in progress"

And no email

[mossy marten]

[mossy marten]

are you referring to the labs interest signup? the one that caused the queue system to go haywire with millions trying to sign up for

[fresh viper]

Is this a US only playtest? I've been trying to sign up but cannot fill out the form. Is it because my number is not American?

[heady thorn]

EU & NA

[fresh viper]

I see, thanks.

[heady thorn]

It will expand to more regions overtime iirc

[fresh viper]

Thats nice to know

[heady thorn]

from FAQ

https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/battlefield/faq Here is full FAQ 🙂

[versed token]

I can't read

[tall urchin]

It's OK, neither can Dozer mains.

[half halo]

Oof

[half halo]

??

[rough remnant]

how do i withdraw myself from the tests, i registered but i dont wanna participate, all id do is to compare it to battlefield 2 who is my favorite and idk if people want that

[manic gate]

just give your account to me if you get in, I totally promise to play clean and not break any rules

[rough remnant]

lol

[golden vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/its-ok-everything-is-fine-dumpster-fire-garbage-gif-17061296

Lasagnas account

[rough remnant]

lol

he got banned

[golden vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/karma-badkarma-gif-7854551126072059833

[rough remnant]

and this was before cs was free

but anyway

[heady trail]

i got to play something great

[ebon beacon]

[mossy marten]

insert "that's bait" gif

[heady trail]

man i want to talk about stuff

[plain bluff]

me too buddy. but no talky-talky until open testing

[wispy dagger]

Has it begun then

[mossy marten]

nah, doubt it tbh

[serene prism]

Nope

[tall urchin]

Testing has already begun, as long as you're a developer at DICE.

[mossy marten]

[rough remnant]

yeah didnt they say the game had been playtested for over a year already at an investments call

so i guess thats true

[fleet robin]

yeah it's been known they've been doing lots of internal playtests for a while as well

of course you won't find anyone who has done it, cough cough, because it's under nda

[half halo]

My face when no email in my inbox

[mighty loom]

So when does the play test start

[vague barn]

20 minutes.

[mossy marten]

16min

[worn pecan]

you guys receives stuff?

[pulsar shard]

i only received an email with a survey

[worn pecan]

bait?

[onyx token]

I keep getting asked to fill out the survey even though I've filled it out like 20 times

[vague barn]

I will neither confirm or outright deny that possibility.

[pulsar shard]

same,i also have a bug where in my other alt account the survey doesn't appear and has invisible numbers

[swift grove]

I just want to snipe in peace.

[vague barn]

I just want to knife snipers in peace.

They are usually so magnificently oblivious to their surroundings.

[worn pecan]

ahhh, i get it haha
anyway I remember there was a non discolure agreement so makes sense lol

I hope they are cooking this time

[vague barn]

Yeah, if you are accepted into the playtest, you'll have to sign a non-disclosure agreement, and technically if you have signed up you have already signed an NDA that is separate.

[worn pecan]

Yes.

[vague barn]

Yes.

[half halo]

Yes

[serene prism]

Good old NDAs

[swift grove]

wow so agressive man, let me throw some C4 at you

[vague barn]

I haven't had much to eat today so I would appreciate that.

[tall urchin]

No email. I am holding you personally responsible.

[swift grove]

Sounds good. I also made some nachos since I was hungry too. If you care for some I'll share mate. Olives?

[vague barn]

Nah, not a fan of nachos, thanks though!

[quiet elm]

Bruh

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

Banned

No problem

[hallow escarp]

i like lying too

why would you ever say you got invited with your steam linked to your account 😭😭😭

js asking to get banned

[fervent eagle]

Bro is lying for attention, let him do

[hallow escarp]

ik

[fervent eagle]

Yeye whatever... have fun in the playtest 🤣

[hallow escarp]

well assuming your name is Ј_ͲƦ𝙸PPЕƦ on battlefield, you are STILL getting banned so have fun in your "playtest"

[fervent eagle]

So you signed an NDA for...nothing ?? At least try to lie good

[fleet robin]

you can't share ANYTHING about it

the intelligence of some people here is astounding

[hallow escarp]

you literally shared what was inside the email like what

"just got an email inviting me to complete registration for the labs playtest included a link for a NDA electronic signature page."

[fervent eagle]

"just got an email inviting me to complete registration for the labs playtest included a link for a NDA electronic signature page"

Bro your not even entertaining

[fleet robin]

moron

your account getting banned anyway not ours

[hallow escarp]

they're not gonna ban you on discord

hmm if there is NO NDA that you signed, please show some proof then

[fervent eagle]

They won't ban you for an NDA that you invented, what ar you on bro

[hallow escarp]

show me the contents of the email if you never signed nda

can i see the email please

show us

[twilit creek]

[fervent eagle]

Man if you really 54 you must be bored in life fr

[fleet robin]

"i'm not getting banned i only slightly broke nda"

[pulsar shard]

No one has received any nda email yet or maybe the emails take time to be send worldwide

[fervent eagle]

He broked nothing bro, he invented that mail so he could get a little bit of attention like a 16yo girl on Instagram, that's actually pathetic.

[hallow escarp]

he just ignores me when i say show me the email

js embarrassed that he lied for no reason

[pulsar shard]

if people get the nda email everyone is gonnaa know

because they will leak it xD

[hallow escarp]

exactly

[pulsar shard]

so he is not any special than us

[hallow escarp]

54 year old is not the only one lol

yeah

[pulsar shard]

for example

some people yesterday received the survey email

[hallow escarp]

j tripper talk little girl

[pulsar shard]

but i got it today

it takes days and most of these emails are delayed we just have to be patient

[spark dawn]

Any news about the beta ?

[mossy marten]

starts in 38min

[half halo]

It was yesterday

[spark dawn]

Haha so funny

[rocky dune]

this guy looks like he’s apart of some scammy lookin servers anyway lol

don’t trust one guy out of the few tens of thousands who signed up

at least until tom henderson has anything to say

[blissful matrix]

more fighting please

[formal coral]

I want to play new battle field

🥲

[worn pecan]

cant play bf if hes 54?

[nimble bridge]

I want Irish's sentinel/trophy system for next BF

Grenade spam can get so annoying so quickly

They should make it an engineer gadget

[worn pecan]

I hope there's gonna be Levolution + dynamic maps with cool events
Ex: Map surface gets nuked halfway and people need to go fight underground, shifting into a more infantry type environment (like metro)

[mossy marten]

[nimble bridge]

[half halo]

[tall urchin]

🟰

[mossy marten]

[tall urchin]

[nimble bridge]

🟰 🐐

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

[trail sparrow]

Have any emails gone out yet?

[worn pecan]

they trying to to tell us smt

[worn pecan]

[heady trail]

Hope they improve visibility in new battlefield game, you cant see shit in bf5

If they add skyscrapers like in hourglass/shanghai , make them completely destructable

[pallid coral]

THE FINALS RAAA

[nimble bridge]

I played 2042's BF3 mode and visibility became an issue in it too

Lights they added to players is a huge plus in terms of visibility imo and I'm too used to it

Not sure how they will handle that in next game

[ionic salmon]

BATTLEFIELD 3 ♥️

can someone give me the site or link or I can write to them and leave my opinion on the next Battlefield!? They say they read our comments so where can I write to them?!

[vague barn]

1. There is no such site or form (yet).
2. How can you have an opinion on the next Battlefield when you haven't played it?

[versed token]

Opinion: just re-release bf3

[nimble bridge]

BF3, BF4 or BC1+2 remakes will be their ''break the glass in case of emergency'' plans I assume. If next game flops we will see their remakes imo.

What next BF needs is proximity voip, think about all the funny stuff people will make with it, 2042 chat is empty and I noticed how empty it is when I went back to BF4 and BF1, people were talking mid match lol

[pallid coral]

Id love prox voip too but I doubt they'll do that

They couldn't even handle all-chat in 2042's launch because of "toxicity"

[rough remnant]

or even better. battlefield 2!

[nimble bridge]

Most game with proximity voip has an option to mute people even without going to the menus, they should implement something similar, if someone is being a troll you should have the option to mute them, as well as the option to close proximity voip altogether

2042 leadership is gone too, there is a chance new DICE might be more okay with a little bit of ''toxicity'' imo

[rough remnant]

toxic behaviour should never be accepted. stuff like hateful speech should always be banned

[cursive nymph]

Man games with voip are fuckin amazin, just look at arma 3, arma reforger, squad etc, voip adds soooo much depth to the expreience, but we are talkin about EA here soo my guess is any form of "toxic behaviour" will be met with ban in liike 2 nano seconds and dont get me wrong im not talkin about things that should be punished like runnin around and just droppin hard r's, im talkin about callin your enemies names

[steel torrent]

EA would ban half their playerbase if voip was on

[cursive nymph]

true that

[steel torrent]

"capture the fn point!!" = banned

[rough remnant]

ive seen games like gunz the duel who let everything be okey and stuff like racism and deaththreats started to florish. to the point where game magazins called it the most hateful community on earth

[cursive nymph]

u will always find braindead idiots who are just racist in every game with voice chat

but it shouldnt be a reaseon to sleep on voip or just straight ban anyone who is "toxic"

[nimble bridge]

BF3 soldiers drops F bombs every two sentence

[steel torrent]

"I'm up, I'm f'ed up but I'm up!"

[cursive nymph]

if they add voip all i want is they will be resonable with what is allowed

if i want to call my oponent a lil camping pussy i want to be able to do it xD

[nimble bridge]

They should give a blogpost with list of things that's allowed imo

[nimble bridge]

👆

[cursive nymph]

also just look at arma, squad or anyother simmilar game

people are just havin fun

and yeah we are callin eachother slurs

for example yesterday on arma reforger as nato we were holdin off russsian offensive and man every 5 seconds someone was screamin at russians and russians were screamin at us, and it was FAAAAR away from polite xD next match we mixed teams and the people who we called (not gonna say the ethnic slurs) became our best friends who we were figthing with in one team

[nimble bridge]

This type of community experience is getting lost with how sterilized every multiplayer game is nowadays lol

[cursive nymph]

it is

thats why "smaller" titles are so much better in terms of their community

ofc sometimes u will meet some racist peace of shit

but than you as community u overwhelm him with your buddies of just kick him out

i was raised durin old COD peak, and if i have to be honest hearin in post game lobby that 10 man slept with my mother didnt affect me xD

lookin at it now it was kinda funny

man i miss days when games were just a way to relax and have fun with your buddies

[nimble bridge]

https://youtu.be/YO6ABgapRzI

This video is about BF3 but soldiers swearing and talking really adds to the game

[cursive nymph]

now gaming is sooo croporized

[nimble bridge]

Voip can achieve a similar goal while also being useful imo

Just give people option to report people who abuse it and give option to mute it

[cursive nymph]

yep

just give people who are more sensitive a way to mute someone

[cursive nymph]

🤌

[cursive nymph]

budd these voice lanes added soo much immersion to the game

[nimble bridge]

Yep

[cursive nymph]

also imo it really doesnt make soo much sense that i cant call my oponent a (idk depands on which side im figthin XD) in a game where my whole objective is to kill 'em and i have tool to do it ranging form tanks to axes

[nimble bridge]

😂

True

[plain bluff]

when given an opportunity to trash talk the enemy, always take it

[cursive nymph]

trash talkin enemies its just for fun and immersion

idk why big game corpos think that we actually hate on eachtoher xD

for fuck sake if u are annoyed or get sad after someone trashtalked u just mute 'em

it reminds me of this case with portal 2 i think

where u had scene where glados called u fat and parentless

smthin like that

and this one kid or his father get soo offended that i went viral

first of all glados called virtual character fattie and parentless not you in person second of all i dont get how u can get offened that easly

but im form europe soo what do i know

[tepid plinth]

If prox voip does exist I’d hope there’s a different bind for just team chat and team + enemy if that is something they’d go for

[mild girder]

There wont be a All Chat sadly, they dont want other people abusing this and calling enemies names or slurs

[versed token]

We did get it in 2042

[mild girder]

You dont, you already signed it when creating your EA Playtesting Account

[versed token]

don't see why they would walk it back again

[mild girder]

There never ever was a second NDA with EA Playtests

[bronze mirage]

yes but in honesty. Alot of the people in games with voip just use it to troll or be funny. Most of it isnt hate speech but its usually is something that is toxic. There hate speech in all games even without voip. People will find any and every way to communicate to people in a hateful and toxic way.

No reason to not make or allow feature cause people may be toxic. If they want it in game, just allow ppl to turn curtain features like those off or mute. Not allowing things to be added to a game for fun because theres some bad apples out there gives the devs little to no power in terms of what they are allowed to do in terms of fun gameplay. Cause then everything has to be looked at under a lense to see if people cane exploit something to spread hate speech or toxicity... Like custom emblems in old cod games, or voip in pubg. All things that are gone that used to be a fun and huge feature that is no longer a thing. (custom emblems may have made a comeback in later games, but they were gone for the longest and usually dont have as much features as they did before making it alot worse).

[rough remnant]

jokes should be fine to an extent but have you seen alot of the custom emblems in older battlefield? theyre full of nazie and racism signs

[bronze mirage]

that why i mentioned the emblems in cod. They have hate speech in them, but removing them just takes fun away from everyone else cause some people use them badly. Like when someone makes an emblem, allow ppl to report them for emblem. Also have the emblems being used be accessible by devs to be able to be removed by devs.

If a emblem gets removed by a dev or it gets reported. Make the emblem auto go to default for everyone to see. Getting rid of cool things cause ppl are capable of doing bad things with it just make it hard to come up with cool and new things. Cause you have to think of how ppl can use them. Just add measures to make it easier to get rid of... If a dev removes it from someone cause its a problem, dont let them make a new one for a week. If they get reported, make it go default for everyone in your lobby and when u hit menu. Lock the emblem from use until a dev either removes it from use or allows it.

There's measure to take to allow fun features in games that arent complex. It just takes some effort to put in those measure and games never do. So it becomes an issue.

[fleet robin]

yeah that's how it goes, when thinking of new mechanics you always have to think about how players will break and abuse it. If it was that easy to moderate they'd have brought emblems back, but they haven't

same with the chat, if people can't behave with it then it'll just get removed

[bronze mirage]

Thats why you make it hide and lock out the emblem until its reviewed. If they decide to review them. It just makes the ppl take more time in creating them than actually using them and allowing ppl to see them

[fleet robin]

then they have tens of thousands of emblems to review

and who's going to do all that

[bronze mirage]

it'd still happen but alot less. And for most ppl it wouldnt be worth

[versed token]

Manual reviews aren't gonna happen

[bronze mirage]

i said if they decided too

[versed token]

and they're not gonna create a tool for it either

[fleet robin]

these things always sound great in theory (they don't) but when you think about it a little further you realise how unrealistic it is

[versed token]

waste of time and money

[fleet robin]

there is no if, they never will

it's the biggest waste of time and resources imaginable

the only thing i can imagine, which someone suggested a few weeks ago, is an ai based filter

but there's way too much nuance in emblems for that to work probably

[bronze mirage]

so just hiding a emblem that gets reported. And NOT having them review is to much time and resources?

[fleet robin]

?

you want them to just hide every reported emblem?

[bronze mirage]

that takes WAY more effort and time than them just not reviewing them

[bronze mirage]

i mean sure if everyone does it and not 1 person can look at emblems.

literally 1 person can do that job

it takes 3 sec to see if its bad

[fleet robin]

you're relying too much on players being good people lmao they'll report emblems for fun and people will complain

[bronze mirage]

100,000,000 a day done by 1 person

[fleet robin]

lol

try pitching that to dice

"yeah we just need one guy to sit at a computer and look at like 50k emblems and decide at his own discretion if they're allowed or not"

[bronze mirage]

sounds like you are allowing a company to simply take a easy way out and not add fun features instead of taking measures to increase player enjoyment. Also could just add a feature no not see them as a option... Like how you can remove hud options. Like theres things you can do

[tepid plinth]

could also just add a settings toggle to hide them

[bronze mirage]

yup

[tepid plinth]

like how you can for all chat

and voice

and hiding chat with h