battlefield-labs-discussion

[pallid coral]

You could do crazy things with BFV's slide

[covert nest]

It didn't even have depth.

Beuno sliding though was the best one.

[pallid coral]

You could even slide backwards (for a while)

[covert nest]

I got a clip of bueno sliding.

Hang ob

[feral garden]

Poor ob.

[pallid coral]

ob

[long dock]

🪢

[pallid coral]

😭

[covert nest]

NO ONE KNEW THIS SLIDE EXISTED

[mossy marten]

I want that

Gimme that g slide

[long dock]

I like the rolly polly fall in bfv to avoid fall damage

[covert nest]

Jump sliding was so fucking good.

[feral garden]

It looks so stupid 🤣

[vague barn]

I honestly don't think it's a as much of a minority as one might be lead to think. If you'll forgive me for maybe being too optimistic about Battlefield's wider impact on society, I think that a large part of why newer generations are, let's say, more limited in their attention span is because the games they play cater to that kind of person. If the games they played would just be a little more difficult and require a little more forethought and consideration, I don't think the current generation would be as fucked as it is. I don't mean to imply that a persistent magazine mechanic in a Battlefield game will overnight undo X years of extreme "short-sightedness", but it'd be an incremental change in the right direction if you ask me.

Just like Battlefield incrementally became catered to less attentive audiences, I suggest they incrementally reverse it.

[covert nest]

No one knew it existed.

[pallid coral]

BRO'S FLOATING

[covert nest]

This wasn't even overtuned because it relied on your speed.

[feral garden]

Obviously it should have some fake decelerations to mimic friction.

[tropic jewel]

Battlebit had some milsim elements and was a huge success until the devs decided to run away with the money

[feral garden]

Otherwise it looks ridiculous

[covert nest]

The regular sliding of bf5 had no friction.

[long dock]

People hated the bleed mechanic in battlebit

[covert nest]

It didn't increase or decrease your speed.

It was super boring.

[mossy marten]

It still scares people

[covert nest]

The Bueno sliding cy did was genuinely exciting.

[covert nest]

Oh dude people will complain over anything.

[pallid coral]

I completely agree with you. I'm definitely an optimist when it comes to these features, but I also constantly see people go wild and crazy over conversations that suggest these mechanics. The worst part is that since BF7 is their "last" chance, I feel like they may not want to risk trying new things and instead go for what worked best in the peak of this franchise, which is again kind of the same-ish (assuming "peak" was BF3/BF4).

BUT I hope LABS acts as a bridge between that

[feral garden]

I dunno, if you need exploitative movement for a game to not be boring, maybe the game is just shit 😅

[covert nest]

It's not an exploit?

[pallid coral]

Maybe it's time to switch to COD

[mossy marten]

Yeah, like what lmao

[covert nest]

Like what exploiting the movement to the max is an exploit?

[long dock]

I definitely expect this battlefield to play things super safe, basically BF4 with tuned down bloom

[mossy marten]

Bf4 rou zous and all that was an exploit
Jumping and holding crouch to get a longer slide is not thaf lol

[covert nest]

Bf5 was basic and that was good.

[long dock]

I think that would be fine though. I'd much rather safe than another 2042 disaster.

[feral garden]

It's finessing the movement systems. Stuff most players won't know about, or even be able to do if they did.

[tall urchin]

BF4 movement mechanics were an exploit because they actually altered your hitbox in significant ways, edge boosting, sliding, and bhopping is just normal shit.

[tropic jewel]

I don't mind if they stick with what worked. Deep down I just want a BF4 map pack

[mossy marten]

Damn, didn't know pressing 2 buttons is so difficult

[feral garden]

Like if players need this, or it's removal makes a game boring maybe that game is just shit

[tall urchin]

Most people can't aim either so am I supposed to not aim at them because I can?

[mossy marten]

Don't worry, that's what suppression is for

[vague barn]

I really hope they don't just make a reskinned remaster of BF3/4. I hope they experiment with some things, just not everything.

[feral garden]

Ah the movement kings are around this time of night, my bad for expressing an opinion

[covert nest]

I know i said that the base slide was boring but shit like the bueno sliding was that bit of complexity that made it interesting somewhat.

[pallid coral]

For sure, I think LABS is the perfect opportunity for that 🫡 which is good. Now it's just time to see what happens

[tropic jewel]

I wouldn't mind if they expanded some of the teamwork elements, such as 6 man squads, separating Asasult into two classes and adding the BF2 commander system

[covert nest]

My dude. I'm just engaging in the best possible way if you want to give up that's on you.

[vague barn]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Labs.

[covert nest]

6 man squads would maybe be cool?

[pallid coral]

Alright both of you 😂 stop fighting
Here's a third perspective: Nothing that either of you say is most likely gonna change anything in the game. We're just pawns here realistically

[covert nest]

I did think of it the other day.

[tepid plinth]

until one person you are looking at suddenly becomes 6

[feral garden]

Na, it's this Y Party weirdo. Can't state an opinion on movement without having them ping reply for 45 minutes trying to call you a casual or an idiot.

[tall urchin]

Noooo, you're supposed to crouch walk everywhere my immurshun!

[tropic jewel]

Every Battlefield before Bad Company had 6 man squads

[covert nest]

But i think it'd make squads that little bit too powerful. Squad wiping is genuinely powerful.

[covert nest]

Ah I see. My bad.

[feral garden]

See, literally proved my point instantly

[tall urchin]

You can state your opinion all you want, just like I can explain why yours is fucking devoid of any rationality.

[vague barn]

I would like larger squads personally, but I doubt it'll happen since 4 fits nicely into 32 and 6 does not.

[feral garden]

Nice, another abusive reply ping.

Another?

[vague barn]

Sorry about the reply ping, forgot to disable it.

[feral garden]

Na, it's this Y Party dude. Anger issues

[tropic jewel]

fuck it, do 8 then lol

[pallid coral]

wtf is a Y party 😭

[covert nest]

I'll make my stance clear then. I don't like exploitive movement either. I like it when it increases the pacing but not to a crazy amount.

[vague barn]

I meant my reply to Way.

[tepid plinth]

would like to put my hand up and say I understand both sides of the story, despite my name

[covert nest]

The movement doesn't feel reasonable that I understand.

[vague barn]

It's a reference to Yakiniku Party.

[pallid coral]

liar, look at ur name /s

[covert nest]

Yeah I'm trying my best to mediate.

[pallid coral]

i still have no idea 💀

but its ok

[tall urchin]

So what I said essentially. BF4 movement is exploitative but typical movement that results in increased momentum isn't.

[feral garden]

I mean, thankfully testing and feedback for this game will be given to every party. So hopefully they arrive at a common ground that everyone can enjoy

[pallid coral]

Realistically I hope DICE has its own stance and doesn't just take 100% of what's the common ground

[feral garden]

Yes, they will, as movement will define their maps. It's likely mostly set already with room to tweak.

[covert nest]

And I've made it clear too i believe that I like it when you have the power to improve the pacing but it doesn't to a stupid amount.

[nimble bridge]

What? They also removed segmented reloads? Why would they do that?

[vague barn]

I'm sure they have their own stance, and that smaller to moderate changes to that stance/vision are still possible, hence Labs.

[long dock]

They added staged reloads, cod never had those before

[feral garden]

2042 did also haha for most weapons.

[nimble bridge]

Oh okay

[long dock]

But it removed reload cancelling so you were forced to complete the reload before firing

[covert nest]

Mw3 had segmented reloads and was much better defined.

[tropic jewel]

Infinity Ward is staffed entirely by a troop of chimpanzees

[tall urchin]

Exactly, we're in agreement. There's absolutely zero harm in concepts like slide jumping, bhop with limitations, edge boosting, etc.

[covert nest]

It was for empty mags not partial mafs.

Edge boosting?

[feral garden]

I hope staged reloads return for next game.

[covert nest]

Edging?

Nvm

[mossy marten]

Segmented reloads when reloading from empty. Otherwise, reload cancel.was possible

[tropic jewel]

the changes to perks in MW22 were ridiculous

[covert nest]

Yeah i did state that soon after.

Oops

[mossy marten]

Mw22 was a cluster of a game

[mossy marten]

Oops too lol

[covert nest]

Mw3 was fun at least.

[tall urchin]

Lol no, edge boosting is the acceleration you get when you hit the very edge of an object. So if you time your crouch or jump off a windowsill you'll launch forward.

[long dock]

I mean they made the only true great cod since BO2

I can't hate them that much for that alone

[mossy marten]

Don't scare them, that's exploitive

[long dock]

MW19 is so fucking peak

[tropic jewel]

Which one are you thinking of? MW19?

[long dock]

Yes

[covert nest]

Cz807 and 805 were fun guns.

[mossy marten]

But then mw2 came out

[tropic jewel]

MW19 was carried by SnD

[tall urchin]

CROUCH WALK EVERYWHERE YOU HAVE FIVE SECONDS TO COMPLY

[tropic jewel]

and a kickass aesthetic

[mossy marten]

[feral garden]

Gonna share any insights or opinions of your own, or just mock others?

[long dock]

? Respawn was great. It's just TDM that sucked

[tropic jewel]

the maps were ass

[mossy marten]

I agree with Yakiniku
Movement shouldn't be like BF1
Should be closer to V or 2042

[long dock]

Maps were a mixed bag

[tropic jewel]

and the introduction of Warzone made balancing a clusterchuck

[covert nest]

This'd be better without the hyperbaly.

[tropic jewel]

meta changes every damn week

[mossy marten]

Or BF4 air strafes with a slide

[tropic jewel]

I like airstrafing

[tall urchin]

Possibly, but I also sincerely do not care about people who openly say uneducated shit that actively harms a hobby I love.

[mossy marten]

It's fun breaking people's aim with it for sure

[feral garden]

At least you got off the fence. 👌

2042 or V movement with better animation would be nice.

[tepid plinth]

agre

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[covert nest]

Not gonna lie unless it was titanfall or ultrakill air strafing shouldn't generally be in.

[mossy marten]

I was never on the fence
We talked about this last week or 2 weeks ago lol
movement options to outplay or escape vehicles is always better

[feral garden]

Disagree. If you fuck up, you should die. Not be able to movement fuck your way out of trouble

To each their own tho.

[tall urchin]

Movement is the tool that allows for positioning, outplay, and utilizing angles to exist. Without it you just have a game where defensive positions will always have significant advantages and you end up with shit like MW2 or Delta Force.

[feral garden]

Air strafing can absolutely get in the bin in respect to Battlefield also haha

[covert nest]

ADAD shit and crouch spamming should at least be tuned down (and I abuse this shit without thinking)

[tall urchin]

Just track their movement then

[mossy marten]

Nah, lemme dance around them bad vehicle players
Or rush behind enemy lines on BT

[feral garden]

Bf3 handled ADAD and crouch well. BF4 at least at launch did not.

[tropic jewel]

With easily executable movement exploits, you can't really predict your opponent's movements

[vague barn]

I have no idea what half of these terms are referring to.

[covert nest]

I always crouch in a gunfight for better accuracy and I hope that never gets removed.

[tepid plinth]

hence reactive tracking as an aim category

[covert nest]

As in it doesn't get cucked.

[mossy marten]

A couple min of kovaaks a day does wonders

[feral garden]

ADAD is fast spamming of left and right directions. In bf4 it made you animations break and made your hit box harder to hit.

[covert nest]

Not everyone wants to do an aim trainer.

[tall urchin]

VT air my love

[covert nest]

I'm crazy about my aim too.

[tepid plinth]

vss gp9 my beloved

[mossy marten]

15min warm ups never hurt 🤷‍♂️

[vague barn]

Ah, so it refers to the keypresses. Thank you, Mr. BSoD.

[covert nest]

I want players to have better aim but not everyone is as crazy about their aim as the top players.

[tall urchin]

And honestly you don't need to, aim trainers are just the most time dense means of practice and isolation.

[mossy marten]

I'm on air angelic invincible 2 and voxTargetSwitch 250% hp as my mains

[covert nest]

One thing I think will help people with their aim is a paintball option and actual tutorials.

[tall urchin]

I haven't played as much as of late, really should work on my TS.

[feral garden]

If you paired ADAD with crouch, you did this really weird circular pattern where it was hard to hit you. At least in bf4 when their animations updated mega fast on input.

[covert nest]

For context.

[vague barn]

Simunition tutorial mode wooo

[covert nest]

You know how in apex when you shoot someone with the shotgun you'll get a lapse on what and where the shells hit?

[mossy marten]

Yeah, i had 3hrs total before i started doing it nearly daily. Trying to find my weak points and all that

[tall urchin]

Apex range would be great for the next BF

[mossy marten]

Agreed

[tall urchin]

Very modular, lots of visual feedback, lots of ways to practice as desired.

[feral garden]

You mean like the after trail from the shell shot?

[covert nest]

This.

[feral garden]

Yeah

[covert nest]

Imagine if you could use it as a point of reference mid match to see what and what didn't hit.

I thought of it as an idea for snipers.

[feral garden]

Is that default behavior in live matches?

[covert nest]

Yeah

When I played last...

God

[feral garden]

Might look out of place in BF

[covert nest]

5 years ago?

I mean as a SETTING its fine.

[feral garden]

Yeah, probs the same.

[vague barn]

I wouldn't mind a replay type mechanic for Battlefield as a setting you could turn on to save the last X amount of matches.

[tepid plinth]

already got damage numbers and health bars, shotgun shell impact points could at least be useful

just to see if the game is what killed you lol

[mossy marten]

Theater mode should be a thing yes

[covert nest]

Yeah. Primarily point of it is so that people know where to aim.

How does their weapon behave, etc.

[tepid plinth]

imagine having a pattern where every shot just outlines them

[tall urchin]

Theatre mode should honestly be the standard of all modern FPS

[feral garden]

I played Apex to death for its first year. Then dropped it when they just kept fucking with the balance too much.

[tepid plinth]

I know it's designed not to but that would be funny

[tall urchin]

It's such a shame they never fixed the crosshairs though, especially stuff like follow up shots from a PK the crosshair decouples from screen centre.

No idea what it is with so many FPS having aspects that literally deceive the player.

[nimble bridge]

2042's slide is like 1 but you have momentum, so you can bhop

[nimble bridge]

I prefer V sliding to 2042 or 1 honestly. At least I could play mind games against snipers in it.

[nimble bridge]

BFV handled it well imo

[half halo]

I prefer BF1 because it needed proper timing to do it correctly while in BFV it just looks funky like you're Ice skating and was breaking the hit box

Although I did abuse BFV slide myself lol

[nimble bridge]

It's just a respawn button in 1

[half halo]

"respawn" button?

[nimble bridge]

Sliding in BF1 will lead you to getting killed

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

That's why you just use it under specific circumstances to get to cover

It's not meant as an offensive type of movement

[mossy marten]

It's not even good at getting into the cover is the funny part

[half halo]

Well that's because your timing is off

Mine too*

[mossy marten]

the pseudo dive is more useful than that slide in BF1

[half halo]

[nimble bridge]

I prefer slides to be offensive, so satisfying coming from a corner and taking out 2-3 guys

[tall urchin]

If you think about it, any slide used in any way makes a casual upset so they're all technically offensive.

[pallid coral]

Damn y'all are still here whatsup

Oh wait those are 4h ago nvm

[mossy marten]

[nimble bridge]

[mild girder]

The only good thing COD still has. Hotmics

Man i really hate how they ruined cod...

[tepid plinth]

Definitely one way to look at it

[spice bramble]

Not wanting an excessive slide mechanic = casual/terrible player nowadays...

[mild girder]

Ragebait

[spice bramble]

what

[mild girder]

ur statement is just so wrong

[nimble bridge]

I'm a terrible player yet I want an overpowered slide

[mild girder]

I play deadlock a lot and it has Sliding with a twist (While u slide you have infinite Ammo).

[spice bramble]

This is sarcasm

I'm saying that apparently if you don't want a slide, you suck and are a casual, according to some...

[spice bramble]

To compensate for you being "terrible"? (as you put it, not me)

[sharp obsidian]

depends on the game

[mild girder]

The people that say that, are the sweats that play 24/7 Warzone

[sharp obsidian]

in warzone 2019 it was very repetitive but fun and kinda movement skill based mechanic. Idk why they nerfed it in warzone 2

[sharp obsidian]

i was not a sweat, but that mechanic in old wz was very fun and usable

[nimble bridge]

Yes

[sharp obsidian]

they still could kept that slide, but they nerfed it in new wz donno why

and before that they nerfed the sniper rifels and the game just became boring

even thou again i dont consider me as a sweat, but the game got killed because of whiney people that cant play above average

[spice bramble]

Well, I'm talking BF now

Slide to some extent is fine, but what CoD has doesn't fit

[sharp obsidian]

i agree

why i didn't like the new bf because they tried to make it look like a cod, i really don't know why

[spice bramble]

I like BF2042 for what it is, but it's not a Battlefield

Hardline was more of a Battlefield

[sharp obsidian]

im still playing sometimes bf4 with da boys, super fun

[spice bramble]

BF4 is my favorite but I don't enjoy it anymore

Takes too much effort to be competetive

[sharp obsidian]

do you think?

[spice bramble]

I may have put it the wrong way

There are a few thousand players now that are devoted to the game

They know everything there is to know, gunplay, movement and vehicle-wise

[sharp obsidian]

well, when there is a guy in little bird demolishing our team, yeah, thats kinda sucks

but otherwise im just running for objectives, giving some kills and im not even a low tab player.

what im trying to say i didnt felt that against me are always old school veterans

u can give it a try

[spice bramble]

I did

But it depends on the map you're playing. And the game is showing it's age so I don't really find it that appealing anymore

[sharp obsidian]

understandable

[nimble bridge]

BF4 is slow and clunky nowadays

Also lots of arbitrary rules in remaining servers

[kind dirge]

Sliding isnt needed peaking around corners is more needed

crouch running too.

[nimble bridge]

Casuals will still cry when someone camps around corners with LMGs instead of sliding

[kind dirge]

prob should go play warzone then

[spice bramble]

The word "casual" is slowly turning into a slur of sorts

It's not as demeaning and harmful as a slur but point stands

[deft basalt]

Stop wanting every game to be like cod and needing to be on crack just to play damit haha

[tall urchin]

No one cares if you're not good at a game, but people do care if you want to strip out any mechanical skill gaps because you're bad.

There's a difference.

[sharp obsidian]

true

gifs arent working i guess, sad

[spice bramble]

Battlefield did fine without slides

And I'm not even bad lol, I don't want them anyway

[covert nest]

If I wanted sliding i would want jump sliding.

[wispy dagger]

I’m ok with slides it’s only enabled after say 5 seconds of uninterrupted sprinting

[versed token]

So you're saying that you're not okay with it

[spice bramble]

If sliding was in the game, it would have to not be cancellable and should be directional. Means no changing direction during the slide.

I'd accept that

[fleet robin]

i think slides are fine as a quick animation to transition from running to crouching, say to get behind cover

[spice bramble]

It should have a similar purpose as dolphin diving, imo

[fleet robin]

yeah that's a good way to put it

[daring lantern]

It always was. It feels extremely floaty and weightless. BF1 and BF2042 have the best gunplay in the series by far

Well, BF1 struggles because of the random bullet spread being so extreme

I hope they keep it toned down or disabled in BF6 or whatever they call it, because BFV and BF2042 feel really good without it

[kind dirge]

naa bring back the bf2 stamina bar

fixes all the sliding jumping non sense

[daring lantern]

or the project reality/squad spread meter lol

[spice bramble]

Staminas not the way

[daring lantern]

yeah we don't need limited stamina in a game with maps that are 5kmx5km

[fleet robin]

stamina is too milsim

battlefield is a fast paced game that won't benefit from making players walk around for 10 minutes because they're out of stamina

[covert nest]

No need for stamina considering the size of the average map

[versed token]

Hunger and thirst mechanic when?

[fleet robin]

sleeping mechanic

[feral garden]

I mean, they basically have some forms of stamina already. Like cooldowns for spam jumping, ETC. I dont think its needed for sprinting tho.

Not if they are removing tac sprint

[versed token]

What "problem" would stamina even solve

[fleet robin]

players having fun

[feral garden]

None, it would just make map design more difficult

They already manage sprint well. You are less accurate when ADS shooting, or hip firing after sprinting as is.

Thats how it should be balanced, not with limiting sprint.

Or balance it for longer ranges by making a 4/6x scope take a second to focus after ADS right after a sprint.

[plain bluff]

ive mentioned it before, but id limit sprint duration because i believe the game got a bit too fast

[versed token]

What

[spice bramble]

What BF besides 2042 made you feel that way?

[versed token]

Regular ass sprinting isn't even that fast

[fleet robin]

mfw i can't find a vehicle and take 3 working days to reach the objective because i can't sprint all the way

[plain bluff]

youre right, none but that. but with the game being the latest release, im simply fearing the trend continuing

[plain bluff]

thats a map design issue, no?

[fleet robin]

it's not an issue at all if we just leave sprint as it is

[feral garden]

Even 2042 with tac sprint is not much faster than past games.

BF3/4 Sprint: 6.5m/s
BFH Sprint: 6.75m/s
BF2042 Sprint: 6.5m/s
BF 2042 Tac Sprint: 7.25m/s

[spice bramble]

2042's tac sprint makes no sense anyway

[versed token]

BF4 also has bonus perks for sprint speed

[plain bluff]

misread that

[spice bramble]

Why'd you even use the normal sprint

[covert nest]

Sprint boosting by 10%

Err

Perk

[feral garden]

Yeah, it made sprint become 7.15m/s

[plain bluff]

yes, even that perk was an issue

[covert nest]

Less punishing sprint out times.

[feral garden]

Tac sprint made sense given that the maps at launch were larger, and had more empty spaces to traverse. They even spoke about removing tac sprint in the past, but decided against it

[plain bluff]

but timing your sprint completely solves the issue. if you get jumped in either sprint, youre dead anyway

128 players and such huge maps were a bit of a megalomanic move

you will always have players concentrate at certain points, so whats the point? maps could easily be 20% smaller and not much would change

[feral garden]

128 was a terrible idea. More players just for the sake of more players. and the servers couldnt even handle it. They still cant 3/4 years post launch

Labs for sure will help iron out the kinks for a new game in this respect tho. even if literally nothing gameplay or balance is changed from labs. It will at least ensure that their servers are ready for the masses.

[covert nest]

More time needed to make the maps for 128.

Ultimately it's why we got so few maps too.

[feral garden]

128 player maps taking 7 months to make. How much more do they need 😄

[covert nest]

And maybe not as many features as we wanted.

I heard a rumour that lis took a month to make and she took longer to optimise.

[mossy marten]

It's also reworking the F tier launch maps as well...

[covert nest]

What if they could have been less time optimising her because of the scenario of all 128 players in theory running her.

[versed token]

Their workflow seems to be held up by their tools

[plain bluff]

frostbite engineers got dun fired or left

[mossy marten]

Lis shouldn't have made it past concept
Her gadget should have been a sraw and not tv missile

[covert nest]

That wasn't my point

[mossy marten]

I know

Still saying tho

[plain bluff]

besides, i feel like 128 players couldve been in the oven for at least one or two more titles

[feral garden]

Frostbite still has the majority of its engineers. There is an entirely separate studio than manages and updates the engine.

With all the changes that allegedly happened with 2042, the issue was more likely that they didnt have enough time to update the engine for it to be stable. Rumors being that they were updating the engine for the game, at the same time as making the game itself.

[versed token]

That doesn't sound fun

[covert nest]

They essentially were forced to release the game with a half baked engine.

[feral garden]

Imagine being an engine engineer, and youre working on A, B and C. But then you come to work on monday and are told you now also need X, Y and Z...and its needed last week!

[covert nest]

Which is one of the sources of the input delay and input issues.

I was talking to a game dev about that actually

Lemme get his quote

I might delete just incase

[mossy marten]

Well they better have used these last 3.5 years (4+ when it launches) wisely

[feral garden]

Sounds like poor middle and upper management. But yeah, ive seen stuff like this happen first hand.

[plain bluff]

thats just standard development for anything

[covert nest]

Ah I have a small theory

[plain bluff]

the shotcallers are idiots if that happens

[covert nest]

What if during all this time the people working on the engine, instead of fixing the game they were working on a new version?

[feral garden]

Frostbite was updated for the next game a long time ago thankfully. So i would hope it doesnt suffer the same issues as with 2042.

[covert nest]

The fact that ea wanted essentially a broken game is amazing.

[versed token]

Dead Space remake did use the new version

[feral garden]

It would use a different engine version. An updated engine, but a different engine. EA FC also uses it, but you cant really compare the engines to the other. Different features and abilities/requirements, ETC

[mossy marten]

Yeah, but still hope it's not a half baked frostbite update compared to 2042
Speaking of.
That new frostbite logo
Not a fan

[versed token]

Ye of course

[covert nest]

Oh it apparently did?

[spice bramble]

I'm a fan of the logo

Looks neato

[feral garden]

The topographical logo?

[spice bramble]

mhm

[vague barn]

Man, I really want the adaptive camouflages back from Battlefield 4. Has literally nothing to do with anything gameplay-wise, I just liked that it changed to fit the environment automagically.

[deft basalt]

Yeah, that is exactly what i think. Its not really that its 128 players but its the maps that aren't well made to suite more players. Also that it was the first time that Dice made a BF game with more than 64 players. So basically they didn't really know how to do it.

If BF laps is here to stay and act like the BF4 CTE, i wouldn't mind testing 128p on some maps for a limited time. But for now 64 players is what Dice knows how to do.

[kind dirge]

crossplay needs to be redone too.

[deep mica]

one of the most important things the new game should implement is different vehicles for the west, leopard tanks have been as much produced as the abrams yet we are stuck having that ugly looking thing on every bf game

leopard 2a8 superiority

[vague barn]

Assuming the NATO v. PMC rumor is true, which it might not be, I would expect different vehicles.

[tepid plinth]

I’d be down to see something somewhat new

The classic American stuff is somewhat ‘comfortable’ I suppose, but there’s no denying we see a lot of it

[vague barn]

CV90 please

I'm curious how they'll handle the portrayal of different NATO countries (if they at all do). Will it be that some maps use a specific NATO country to maintain cohesive appearance, or will it be up to the player what equipment/nation they use on each map?

[versed token]

Definitely will just be a basic "NATO" loadout of vehicles and guns

no difference between maps

[vague barn]

Yeah, I figure that'll be the case.

[feral garden]

Well hopefully there will be a difference in vehicle availability map to map

I also hope we return to naval combat

[vague barn]

Would be cool ngl, the CB90 was a welcome sight in BF4.

[feral garden]

Yeah, it was a very fun vehicle.

[versed token]

One can only hope

[vague barn]

🤞

[spice bramble]

If they added vehicles from different countries, I'd really like them to have different strenghts and weaknesses

Leopard, for example, having less armor but more firepower

[deep mica]

i d love to see the boxer, i made a post bf reddit but the mods deleted it, all i did was showcase some different vehicles that would fit in the bf concept

also, i never understood the NATO vs PMC, NATO is the strongest military alliance in the world, that comprises of some of the strongest armies. Having it go against some random mercenaries, that usually have no heavy air support, mediocre logistics and weak morale, seems like a joke to me

ideally it would be something like NATO vs eastern axis of Russia Iran China N. Korea

[versed token]

You say that yet look at alot of the recent wars

[deep mica]

i mean, wagner was literally russia

if NATO was in the game, which is not right now

they d go after russia, not fight only the PMC

thats why from a game perspective it seems unbalanced

even then, you didnt see wagner use sukhois and the best helos

they were just random prisoners and mercenaries

[feral garden]

That's why they can make a ficticious PMC. It doesnt, nor should it be based on reality

[vague barn]

Creative liberties.

[deep mica]

yea we saw last time how well creative liberties went

the more grounded it is, the easier it will be to make up a story

[feral garden]

Does everything counter to your opinion have to be turned around like this?

[versed token]

(insert all the games in the series)

[deep mica]

thats why ww1 and ww2 games were more succesful

just like bf 3 and bf 4

[vague barn]

I'm not even going to grace that comment with a response.

[spice bramble]

Look at advanced warfare

[deep mica]

its not really something that creative and innovative

ubisoft did this

as did many other games

[spice bramble]

Advanced Warfare had the world against a PMC and it worked fine

[deep mica]

advanced warfare was one of the worst COD rated

[spice bramble]

Not because of the campaign, duh

[deep mica]

kevin spacey carried hard

but the multiplayer is the focus in the bf franchise

maybe im wrong

but the more the game takes you out from believing this all being possible, and breaks your immersion, the less enjoyable and cohesive it becomes

[mossy marten]

the multiplayer theme is based on campaign though usually

not including 2042 and it's poorly made narrative with random flip flops

[deep mica]

the singleplayer could be good, but that could not translate in the mp

[pallid coral]

Advanced warfare was badly received not because it was that bad but because people didn't want that themed game at that time

[spice bramble]

I don't know why having NATO vs PMC in MULTIPLAYER would be bad anyway

Who cares, as long as they utilize it to bring more stuff

[deep mica]

i mean, everyone outside of this chat has been screaming about west vs east

[mossy marten]

theme is the keyword
BF4 US v RU/CN
BF2025/6 NATO v PMC

[deep mica]

this chat is the exception

its way simpler for the average gamer to put them in a nato vs russia/china like the old bf4 2020 war times

[spice bramble]

Political tensions simply don't allow for the campaign to be US vs Russia/China, West vs East

Liiiive with it

[deep mica]

than to start creating new "super strong pmcs" that require you to bend your immersion

[feral garden]

If you make China the bad guy, say bye bye to a few billion potential players/customers.

[mossy marten]

[deep mica]

i mean, bf1 is literally full of chinese hackers

[spice bramble]

Full?

[feral garden]

It will be banned in China, just like BF4 was

[deep mica]

before the anti cheat it was even worse

so be it

[spice bramble]

I haven't seen one hacker yet

[deep mica]

i play on PC EU

[spice bramble]

I play on PC EU, too

[deep mica]

trust me, i ve been here since 2018

[versed token]

Used to be much much worse

[deep mica]

invisible guys with pistol only equipped running around

if you dont see it

[versed token]

But they did add an anticheat

[deep mica]

it means you werent here for it

back until 2021/2022 it was pretty much on every server

anti cheat helped a ton

[spice bramble]

Then all we need is a good anti cheat :)

[deep mica]

i dont really care about it being banned in china

BF2042 wasnt banned

in russia

[feral garden]

Because China isnt the bad guy?

[deep mica]

?

[feral garden]

Or shown in a negative light

[deep mica]

did you read my comment

i said russia

[spice bramble]

2042 didn't make Russia bad guys

There was no campaign

And the lore didn't imply it either

[feral garden]

It made the US the bad guys lmao

[deep mica]

bf4 campaign was insanely mild

if thats all it takes for china to ban a game

then they have bigger problems

[spice bramble]

No shit Sherlock

Games are not the problem of any country

[vague barn]

China has bigger problems than a video game? No way.

[deep mica]

anyway, in the reddit post that was deleted, i specifically said the EU should be either more included, or made seperate faction like the old BF games

[vague barn]

If only the EU could be baked into some other faction, like NATO for instance.

[deep mica]

thats what "either more included" means

if we have different nato allies in the game it d be great

[vague barn]

Yep.

[deep mica]

tired of USA vs USA 2000 flags games

[spice bramble]

South Korea simply for the K2 Black Panther

[vague barn]

And I SUSPECT that given the prevailing shitstorm that is the modern political climate, the scenario will be NATO v. PMC as opposed to a traditional nation-state given how touchy the conventional OPFOR states are about being portrayed as the baddies. I may not agree with it, but I find that to be most likely.

[spice bramble]

They'll find a way to make the PMC sound/look russian

[deep mica]

thats why i think it d be good if the game went nato vs east, beacuse we could have conflicts in korea, taiwan, SEA, ukraine/poland, Finland

the bf2042 maps were in the most out of place locations

made 0 sense

[spice bramble]

The locations made sense, if you read the lore

[versed token]

If you know you know

[vague barn]

So, basically, the baddies would still be Russia/China/etc, just folded into a coalition.

[versed token]

Can't say i really care about why we fight in certain locations

[deep mica]

ye, but you cant be fighting a PMC in deep china or russia

[spice bramble]

They should just make Earth vs Antiearth and we can have all the stuff

[deep mica]

maps are probably the most important thing, thats why bf1 was so succesful

[vague barn]

I still think a "state-sponsored private military company" makes more sense with consideration to the current political climate.

[deep mica]

they tie the lore with the gameplay

[spice bramble]

BF1 takes place WW1, so obviously lol

[versed token]

Again i don't care why we fight in certain locations

[deep mica]

no state sponsored pmc will be fighting in deep china/ taiwan or russia without the state being active

it will flop as a scenario

[versed token]

Maps playing well is all i care about

[deep mica]

pmcs are 99% used in other countries

far away from the mainland

even the most common ones like us and ru ones

[spice bramble]

You're saying what everybody knows lol

You're not Einstein, stop explaining it

[vague barn]

^^

[deep mica]

anyway, they can do what they want

[vague barn]

You're stating the obvious.

[spice bramble]

They thank you for your permission

[versed token]

[deep mica]

all im saying is i dont see good ratings if we keep being in fairy land

[vague barn]

ok.

[spice bramble]

ok.

[deep mica]

i mean, wasnt bf4 a huge success?

[vague barn]

Anyways, I do hope there will be a larger faction than just a codeworded US.

[deep mica]

even if it was banned

[feral garden]

Sold less than BF3 and BF1. So not particularly

[deep mica]

it came out with too many bugs probably

thats why

1 and 3 were way smoother launches makes sense

[feral garden]

Id guess it was successful enough for EA...tho you'd imagine all these buggy game launches would have made them learn to stop doing it. Its like they work in cycles of "One for you (Players)" then "One for us"

[vague barn]

Border region Finland would be pretty darn neat to fight in, not going to lie. I say that not just because the climate there is basically the same as it is where I live, but because I have visited that part of Finland and there are still a shitload of old WW2 fortifications and trenchlines there, so could be interesting to have a BF game in.

[spice bramble]

Having a map with trenchlines would be cool, seeing as how they're still prevalent in modern wars

[feral garden]

Id prefer to fight in big popular cities, suburbia, ETC...than random places in the wilderness.

[vague barn]

I think a healthy mix of the two would be best. I don't want to be fighting in just cities, nor do I want to fight exclusively in rural areas.

[spice bramble]

There was a dude that made a fanmade concept art of an airport map, looked cool as fuck

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/13qaabb/the_airport_map_looks_cool_credit_emadalden/

The first one

There's supposedly a Hollywood map

Could be cool

[feral garden]

So many maps are just "Oh look, we are fighting in the mountains...there just happens to be a weapons manufacturing facility here" or "Oh look, its a desert now...I guess this is where we will be fighting for the regions water supply"

Like I care about either of those 2 things at all haha

Let one side be the invaders...and have my team be attacking, or defending New York, Paris, Berlin...ETC

[vague barn]

I fucking hated the whatever-map-in-north-Sweden from 2042 with random large cubes in the middle of nowhere.

[spice bramble]

Playing Operations, going from Warsaw, to Berlin, to Paris...

A wet dream

[mossy marten]

i want museum to be remade. same layout, but not a museum theme

[spice bramble]

Museum?

From Hardline?

[vague barn]

From BFH

[mossy marten]

hardline infy only map

[spice bramble]

Sucks I barely got to play it

Game died faster than a mosquito

[vague barn]

Judging by my experience trying to sleep in a cabin in the middle of the forest in summer, that's quite a long time.

bzzzzzz

[feral garden]

Spearhead: Here is a long, 7 flag map, with no flanking routes...oh yeah there are 2 giant cube buildings that make weapons also I guess. Enjoy.

[spice bramble]

10 days...

Couldn't think of a better comparison

[spice bramble]

Ey, the maps great

I like it

Makes no sense, but I like it

[vague barn]

Yeah that one, god I hated that one. I'd much have preferred they actually portrayed one of the actual weapon manufacturing plants/test ranges in that area. Coincidentally, most of them are located in cities (🤯)

[spice bramble]

But there's no point to assigning maps to a certain country when there's not a single distinctive feature

[feral garden]

I hate it. It and the other one in Africa are my 2 least favorite maps

[spice bramble]

Flashpoint?

I generally like these two

[feral garden]

Yeah, its to long. I only play 64 player modes and that map would play better with the 2 flas on the far ends of each side removed.

[mossy marten]

......

[feral garden]

enjoy the mute lol

[vague barn]

I liked the Egypt map with the wall in the center purely because no one ever watched the north flank so I could flank around and disrupt enemies coming out of their spawn and capture the first zone. But that's literally the only reason I liked that map.

[spice bramble]

What Egypt map

There's an Egypt map?

[mossy marten]

shown in the pre alpha labs trailer

[vague barn]

The one that's half-desert half-farmland.

[mossy marten]

people figured out it's in egypt

[spice bramble]

Renewal, oh

[mossy marten]

wait

[feral garden]

Renewal is one of my favorites. I just wish they added faster entry points to both sides of the RU spawn side building

[mossy marten]

2042 still

nevermind

[feral garden]

Get rid of those 2 ladders and replace them with zips

[spice bramble]

I like Reclaimed and Spearhead the most, probably

[vague barn]

The RU spawn building is the big cube, right?

[feral garden]

Yeah

[vague barn]

Ah, yeah, agreed.

[feral garden]

To get to the flags you have to enter the building, climb 3 flights of stairs, or climb 2 really long ladders, then drop down through the roof glass

But on US side...you just walk onto the flags. Like..???

[spice bramble]

I like how Renewals rework included adding a million munition boxes to each flag

[vague barn]

I just want a decent North Sweden map 😭 Like a condensed version of Boden (an old military town that was closed to foreigners until the '90s, has military fortresses around it) or something along those lines.

[plain bluff]

since the next BF has a campaign, Recker definitely needs to be included

dude's story is just too good to pass up. like, whats up with him after being jailed? did he escape? where's he now?

[feral garden]

BF4 story is gone, this is a new universe. As it should be

[spice bramble]

Looks like a generic city/town, what am I missing?

[plain bluff]

"as it should be?"

[vague barn]

Yeaaah, I would rather they have new stories rather than returning to old ones. 2042's extension of the BF4 story was horrendous.

[vague barn]

Check your DMs in 30 seconds.

[spice bramble]

Make it 20

Also, if they just added a map where you fight for a big military base, that would be cool

Or military airfield, whatever

[plain bluff]

actually, to be fair, the timeline has been a bit disjointed since bf4

MEC basically never showed up

[feral garden]

BF4 story was pretty forgetful, it had a good squad...but them trying to make their game through nostalgia is not the way. it didnt work with 2042, it wont work with the next game. Especially since that games future would already be defined.

[plain bluff]

wait, hang on. Recker was BF3. if theyre returning to NATO vs (PMC), with the apparent teaser set in Egypt, ya know?

okay im tripping

[vague barn]

Recker was BF4

[feral garden]

Recker was BF4?

[plain bluff]

I meant BLACKBURN

[spice bramble]

Eh just make a good new campaign

People would just complain about continuity issues

[vague barn]

I've said this before but I kind of hope we get several campaigns each season. So instead of a blog post on a website explaining the backstory of the maps in the new season, you get an interactive experience demonstrating it.

But I would rather they release more than one map per season.

[feral garden]

This will make it more like war stories tho. And further stretch their resources.

I get what you mean, but I think they would be better off to have a set story...but then do Exodus like cinematics for each season

[vague barn]

I liked the war stories concept but would have preferred for it to extend beyond like 1 hour of playtime.

[vague barn]

My underlying "idea" is basically that they have a better chance to have a good campaign if they have several attempts at it and not placing all eggs in one basket, so to speak.

Maybe like one campaign per year or 6 month period, they do have one studio focused on singleplayer content as far as I can recall.

[spice bramble]

We will be lucky if we get a good game at all

[vague barn]

I'm hoping BF Labs continues and morphs into a CTE like thing post-launch.

[feral garden]

You can also cause issues by having too many eggs in too many baskets.

I dont think the war stories concept was liked all that much from BFV.

[vague barn]

I saw a some love for the Tiger centered story, not so much for the other ones.

I could be completely wrong in my views, but I do fancy the idea on paper.

[feral garden]

It all felt so disjointed to me. Like you move to the next story and forget the last like it never mattered. Made me not care, or want to care about anything that was happening in the story I was playing

[plain bluff]

^a story designed around a central plot usually beats side stories

[vague barn]

Fair enough, I liked the separate views it presented. What would be your opinion on instead of having several separate campaigns (as I suggested), extending the main story over time?

[plain bluff]

depending on the scope and how its executed, might even have leftover space for more content

[feral garden]

The whole BFV thing in SP and MP of "Lets tell a bunch of stories and concepts that are not well known" sure was an idea. WW2 game missing all of the most big battles was a wild concept.

[vague barn]

I agree, but then if the central plot is no good, it won't be explored.

[vague barn]

Agreed, it was a shame we never got more central battles, e.g. D-Day, Market Garden, Stalingrad (or Eastern Front generally). I suppose I am in a radically different seat than the average player when it comes to this stuff though since I've been interested and read about World War 2 since I was 7 and was allowed to play Call of Duty 2: Big Red One on my uncle's PlayStation 2.

[feral garden]

I can only imagine what it was like proposing the making of a WW2 game, that has none of the key WW2 battles was like

[vague barn]

Yeah, and twisting the histories that were actually included.

Specifically I am referring to the Norwegian mission.

[feral garden]

"Why are we doing this guys, who is this game for?" - things that should have been asked

Same for 2042 tho to be fair.

[vague barn]

Yeah.

[pallid coral]

I feel like DICE always wants to do something different to the orthodox WWX games which I respect but sometimes they go too far and make it too fictional

Like they gave BF1s loadout like mostly experimental and guns that were never even mass produced or used. This was weird at first for some but many enjoyed it because it gave variety over something like Verdun which had a very limited amount of weapons (tho realistic ish)

But then in BFV they double downed and they're like ya fuck it we're going full fictional xD and I think it disconnected from the WW2 aspects. It became a reskin more than a WW2 game for a long time until Pacific update came which sort of helped with it

[feral garden]

IMO, it was uneccesary creative liberties to take. Like what did it actually add to thhe game/gameplay?

[deep mica]

realism and being grounded adds to immersion which adds to gameplay which adds to atmosphere and quality

[feral garden]

I think realism is the wrong word. Authenticity is the word

[deep mica]

introducing the ways that actual spec ops or infantry work would make the game feel authentic

[half halo]

Oh no, not this realism debate again

[deep mica]

authenticity

here u go

[deep mica]

i mean

thats what they have been saying all tis time

[half halo]

BF Will NEVER be a milsilm, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

[deep mica]

that BFv and 2042 went too far with the creative liberties

[feral garden]

Lots of people mean they want the game to be authentic, not realistic.

[half halo]

Oh yeah I agree

People missuse the concept of realism a lot

[deep mica]

what matters , is to create the illusion, that this could happen

when that illusion of semi reality breaks

[mossy marten]

For the Love of God, don't make BF realistic 🤦‍♂️
Authentic guns, cool
Explosions, cool (camera shake slider tho 100%)
Authentic gear, cool

realistic gunplay, no
realistic movement, no

[deep mica]

ahahahahah

no realistic movement eh

people need to fly around

this chat is so detached from what the 99% of people say on the web

[mossy marten]

you know what i mean
i don't want no milsim shit

[deep mica]

no one said milsim

its not a taboo word

[feral garden]

Somewhere between BF1 and BFv is where BF movement should sit

[fleet robin]

people on the web make up 1% of the player base lmao

[deep mica]

realistic movement = using your damn legs

and not sliding

[deep mica]

i agree

its perfect there

BFV did some good movement innovations

1 kept it simple and authentic

i ve played tarkov

[feral garden]

BF1 animation quality, with BFV movement capability.

[deep mica]

what is milism about it

[mossy marten]

no sliding?

[deep mica]

they move literally the same

[mossy marten]

sliding is gonna happen, let's be honest

[deep mica]

just the loot makes you heavier

i wish it wont

[plain bluff]

and the other 99% of the players who have no thought naught any input towards others and developers should be ignored, right

[feral garden]

A momentum based slide FTW. No directional changes mid slide.

[vague barn]

Agreed.

[deep mica]

bf1 slide is as much as i will toleate

[plain bluff]

not only that, slides should mean a definitive death if not properly applied

[mossy marten]

it's not even a slide
you happen to slip on something is what it is

[deep mica]

exactly

perhaps a bit more to the BFV, but like 1/4 of BFVs slide

or half

sliding =/= buttering yourself and going on a bowling alley

sliding 50 meters like in cod/apex

and NO GRAPPLING HOOK

[mossy marten]

people when sliding is viable:

[deep mica]

or WING SUITS

if you wanna make an ambush, do it like the other games, go on a helo/plane, and jump out

simple as

[plain bluff]

grappling hook ala bf2sf and hardline is a-okay

or just use assault ladders

[deep mica]

tactical making a step for your squadmates to jump over a wall

c4 buggy teleport

[plain bluff]

that would be cool though

[feral garden]

I dont really want any grapple hooks or ladders. Let the devs define how maps are traversed, not the players. If I want to get through a wall, let me blow it up.

[plain bluff]

teamplay mechanics are always welcome

[pulsar shard]

Why is everyone saying that if battlefield is grounded then is a milsim

BF1 or BF3 was a great example of something in between

[plain bluff]

that was more of a wishlist on how id want them to work if they should show up. all in all, i wouldnt really care that much

[deep mica]

i want my name on the game if that gets implemented, and stocks

[plain bluff]

blowing stuff up is always welcome

[vague barn]

worthwhile suppressors 🙏

[plain bluff]

royalty at 0,000001 pesos per teamboost

[pulsar shard]

a teamplay mechanic would be cool

something like helping someone climb a wall

[deep mica]

1 turkish lira

[feral garden]

Not just player usable grapple hooks, I also hope ziplines around the maps are not common.

[deep mica]

per 500 purchases

[vague barn]

Ziplines were way too fucking common in 2042.

[pulsar shard]

grapple or ziplines = Batmanfield 2025

[feral garden]

Imagine siege of shanghai if they just had ziplines all over the tall buildings. It would make that map feel like less of a real city

[spice bramble]

How would you guy feel about snipers having a anti-glint gadget xd

Would probably make them even more campy

[feral garden]

Im fine with snipers having no glint

[pulsar shard]

I would like if snipers were less in the next battlefield to balance things out

like having a limit for the class of sniper

[feral garden]

Recon is already the least played class, you want it to be LOWER?

[pulsar shard]

I said there should be a limit

because there is some maps where everyone abuses snipers

[feral garden]

I dunno, let them haha

If players want to play recon, let them.

[versed token]

Why limit good strats

[vague barn]

Is it? That's actually quite surprising to me.

[vague barn]

I'd like such a gadget, whether a hex ARD or just tape.

[minor linden]

Class limits in general are wack. If a whole team wants to be snipers, let them be snipers. It’s the enemy team’s job to know how to counter

[fleet robin]

if people can't play what they want there's a chance they just leave

then you have server pop issues

why fix what's not broken

[vague barn]

I'd make the hexagonal pattern anti-reflective device have the downside of darkening the scope view slightly alongside a hexagonal overlay on the view. You'd still see the glint when immediately in the line of sight of the optic but not at angles exceeding a certain value I am in no position to specify.

Taped would limit scope field of view but completely eliminate scope glint.

[vague barn]

Also, please no. I would rather not have to compete to play the game like I want to. I personally don't use snipers that often, but I am a recce class crackwhore.

[pulsar shard]

I just said my opinion,because i woukd like to see some balances between classes,and see more teamwork in game

[vague barn]

I'm aware that it is your opinion, and my opinion is that your opinion would hinder people's ability to play what they want, which is not a good thing in my view. I agree there should be more teamwork in-game, but I don't think that'd be achieved through the limitation of spots for certain classes or categories of weapons.

[fleet robin]

add mechanics that encourage teamwork, rather than ones that force it

class limits would force teamwork but has the downside that people can no longer play what they want whenever they want, which imo is important for a game like this

[pulsar shard]

I gave this example because i would like to see more teamwork like having more medics in fights doing their jobs and etc

[pulsar shard]

yes mechanics would be good

[spice bramble]

They can fix cars and shi'

[feral garden]

Bring back vehicle classes too.

I probs sound like a broken record saying this so much. 😄

[vague barn]

Could you elaborate what you mean by "vehicle classes"?

[feral garden]

BF1 spawned you as a special vehicle class when spawning in a vehicle. You had a different vehicle specific look, and a different kit to any other class. You had a carbine pistol, repair tool, and IIRC dynamite. You also couldnt internally repair a vehicle unless you had a repar tool in your equipment.

[vague barn]

Ahhhh, okay, I understand what you mean. Yeah that would be pretty darn cool to have back.

[feral garden]

It also plays into the "authenticity" thing.

[vague barn]

Indeed. You rarely find jet pilots with machine guns.

[spice bramble]

reaaaalllyyyyyy

I thought they carried rocket launchers in their cockpits too...

[vague barn]

I was about to say; the rendezook crowd would be up in arms.

[spice bramble]

Rendezook would be gone as we know it

[mossy marten]

That would suck to have vehicle kits

[spice bramble]

It would discourage people from taxiing for one

[vague barn]

Eh, I rarely play vehicles so to me it wouldn't impact much.

[feral garden]

Like...Oh no...players can no longer waste jets!!!

[vague barn]

A modern day tragedy to surpass the writings of Shakespeare.

[versed token]

I would still use it as a taxi

[spice bramble]

Good luck with your pistol

[feral garden]

Maybe its not the way to go, just a suggestion tho. Ideally id prefer jets spawn on airfields/carriers

[spice bramble]

Man, but do I want the transport helicopter to more purpose

[versed token]

No problem

[spice bramble]

Transport helicopters, besides 2042, are just taxi's. I feel bad for them.

I weep for them

[feral garden]

Taxi for me usually involes getting myself to the far side of the map to let my squad spawn, or to place a beacon anyways

[vague barn]

I wouldn't mind at least jet pilots being their separate class. Give them a PCC and a pistol, that's it.

[spice bramble]

I wonder if we're getting vehicle animations back

[vague barn]

I use Combat Boot Mk. 1* as my preferred method of transport for that kind of manoeuvre.

I like the sneaky.

[spice bramble]

What if, what if... transport helicopter could drop supplies

[mossy marten]

entrance/exit anims?
plz no

[spice bramble]

Hinders movement :D

Amiright

[wispy dagger]

Pilots and vehicles should only spawn as a vehicle pilot class

[feral garden]

Forced 1st person entrance/exit animations no. But they should still have them (Like it is in 2042) When you select to enter a vehicle, you should gain instant control

[vague barn]

I'd like them back to avoid the issue of people getting out and repairing in the middle of the open and as soon as they heard a gunshot just press "E" and teleport into the vehicle.

[random vessel]

I actually like that idea because it would encourage people to commit to the role of a pilot. Less abandoning them

[wispy dagger]

Helps prevent snipers taking helos and jets to get to location

[wispy dagger]

Exactly

[versed token]

The amazing quad bike class

[spice bramble]

Gulf of Oman cough

[glacial orchid]

oh god vehicle animations in BFV were horrible

[wispy dagger]

Vehicles like that should only be available from spawning in base

Not directly from spawn screen

[versed token]

Quads should be available on flags

[vague barn]

OKAY, quickly, before I have to go to my 3 hour weekly Arma event: What is the opinion on Spawn Beacon behavior? Should it be like BF4 where if there is open air overhead you spawn in mid-air to parachute, or like other games where you still spawn on the spawn beacon itself?

I prefer the latter.

[versed token]

latter

[spice bramble]

Gotta love spawning in the air just to become a pinata

[half halo]

Spawn on the ground

[random vessel]

I did like beacons in BF4, but it kinda depends on the map structure. Like if building aren’t that tall then parachute spawns won’t really make sense

[nimble bridge]

Gunplay should be either like BF4 or BFV imo. I don't think 2042 feels that good. BF4 has low recoil high spread. BFV has high recoil low spread. 2042 is somewhere in the middle and I don't think it feels good.

[flint atlas]

bf4 has a wide array of recoil/spread in my experience, im not sure you could lump everything into that catergory

[nimble bridge]

I played with AK12 when I last tried it

[flint atlas]

ak12 is a laser

[nimble bridge]

It barely has any recoil, just visual recoil

[daring lantern]

low recoil high spread is fucking awful LMAO

[nimble bridge]

Nah, low recoil high spread means you can't hold trigger and beam people

[flint atlas]

ak12 is very different to the aek, which is different again to the f2000

[nimble bridge]

Same with high recoil low spread

[daring lantern]

low recoil high spread means you cheese "tap firing" and get the same result

[nimble bridge]

Yeah and tap firing is slower

[flint atlas]

tap firing isnt cheese

the guns in bf4 have a wide variety of recoil/spread but in general aside from a few like the u100 or type88 you have to tap fire at mid ranges

[daring lantern]

Tap firing is cheese and it’s one of the worst mechanics from BF3 and BF4. Guns should be accurate to a realistic MOA value and recoil should be what determines your accuracy beyond that

BF4 has some of the worst gunplay in the entire franchise

[mossy marten]

warsaw revamped's gunplay revamp was fantastic imho

[flint atlas]

guns should be varied and balanced, realism be damned

bf3 wasnt great, it was a slight evolution over bf2, bf4 was much better

[nimble bridge]

If you don't include spread it will turn to Delta Force with no recoil AR meta

[daring lantern]

Weapon realism is good. Other realism isn’t

[nimble bridge]

DF doesn't have spread and people can beam each other from 120 meters

[flint atlas]

semi auto shotguns would dominate everything

bf was never about weapon realism

[daring lantern]

No they don’t because IRL you can’t hit shit beyond like 25 meters with a shotgun running buckshot

[flint atlas]

have you never gone clay pidgeon shooting

[nimble bridge]

Shotguns are hunting rifles, people use them against birds, how the hell they have 25 meters effective range

Only realistic shotgun in games are like L4D2's shotgun

[daring lantern]

Birdshot absolutely saturating the general area with low energy steel BBs is a very different from 8 pellets of buckshot

[flint atlas]

in BF2 if you didnt stop moving and either crouch/prone or tap fire the gun, you wouldnt hit anything

bf3 was a little better, bf4 was very good, 2042 is too accurate, or at least it doesnt feel as fun as bf4

im not sure whats wrong with 2042

the guns are just, sad?

[nimble bridge]

Spread should be higher in 2042 imo

[flint atlas]

they have to be accurate bc the maps are fucking huge

again that entire game is broken bc the maps are bad

[nimble bridge]

BFV also had huge maps, not as big as 2042 but you weren't seeing AR vs AR duels between 100 meters

[mossy marten]

visual recoil is one
no instant spread reset when tapfiring is two
guns sound like garbage is three

[flint atlas]

yeah they dont sound as good as older titles

[nimble bridge]

Portal guns sounds much better imo

In 2042

[daring lantern]

Weapons aren't 100% accurate in real life. Weapons have mechanical accuracy. Make the recoil patterns on automatic rifles realistically unforgiving and you don't have an issue with beaming people at 100+ meters

[flint atlas]

you can have big maps as long as its layed out well, Caspian, Firestorm, those ones are good bc they have different elevations and obstacles layed out so engagement ranges arent actually that long unless ur camping D or the Tower on Caspian

the 2042 maps dont have that detail

and they are even bigger

64 players really is the sweet spot

[daring lantern]

128 can be done well if the maps have a good layout. 2042's maps have really bad flow and layout which means regardless of player count you have a bad experience

[flint atlas]

worst part about bf4, the fall damage

why is it so high

[tall urchin]

128 was a poor choice from the getgo, makes matchmaking a mess, ruins the tickrate because you have to prioritize significantly more connections, and leads to a lot of AI which is pointless in multiplayer.

64 should remain the standard for a long while to come

[nimble bridge]

Well they should make it like BFV then, BFV barely has any spread but possibly highest recoil in the series

[minor linden]

2042 maps sucked because they increased the player count and map size without increasing the object count

[daring lantern]

I can agree with this

[tall urchin]

Yeah but the recoil was random and decoupled from screen centre

[daring lantern]

They increased the map size too much without any real chokepoints or high traffic areas. 128 players would have been good on maps that were slightly bigger than BF4 or BFV, but not maps that are genuinely gargantuan like we have in 2042

I also think BF6 should have denser maps to funnel players into gunfights more effectively. No more wide open vehicle sandboxes

[nimble bridge]

I dunno how they will handle that but they have to limit engagement distances. Most people don't want high recoil guns. That's why I'm also okay with low recoil and high spread.

[fleet robin]

low recoil high spread feels like ass ngl

i think there's definitely a balance to be found

[mossy marten]

I.e warsaw revamped updated gunplay

[nimble bridge]

How is it in WR?

[flint atlas]

why doesi t have to be low recoil/highspread or high recoil/low spread, each gun should be designed with its on niche in mind, bf4 isnt either of those

u100 vs m240b

both at opposite ends of the spectrum

bf4 has loads of weapons that are across that spectrum

which is how it should be

[covert nest]

Random recoil on bf5 was annoying but I don't really remember the decoupling being that bad.

[nimble bridge]

I'm fine with whatever they come up with as long as engagement distances aren't 120 meters like Delta Force

[mossy marten]

i don't remember exactly what the ranges were since it was a while ago, but within like 20-30m you can spray quite effectively, 30-50m was bursting (4-5 bullets), past that was tap firing essentially

again, the test happened a couple months ago, but i can try to find the patch notes on what they changed from vanilla bf4 to WV

[nimble bridge]

Seems like my idea about limiting spread to certain ranges

[mossy marten]

https://discordapp.com/channels/140933721929940992/258372071086620674/1343322110063411292

[nimble bridge]

For ARs
0-30 meters: no spread
Past 30 meters: spread kicks in

[mossy marten]

can't post screenshots in here so posted there

wasn't exactly what i said, but it felt less aggressive for sure

[nimble bridge]

I see

My idea is different

Kinda like CoD's hitscan idea

In CoD weapons are hitscan up to a certain range but after that range they are projectiles

[mossy marten]

the hitscan idea would be difficult to balance for spread tbf

[nimble bridge]

Depends on the weapon's muzzle velocity

[nimble bridge]

Nah, not really, ARs should have no spread up to 30 meters, then they should have spread imo

50 meters for LMGs

15-20 meters for SMGs

etc.

[grand crow]

I haven't been inside Terminal 1 and 3 in so long
I'm drivin' right up to it now
Make sure you got your coat on
That runway can be cold especially after summer's rolled on

[mossy marten]

wrong chat bro

[flint atlas]

should be gun dependant not set ranges, FAMAS is BF4 is medics smg, but the SAR 21 and AN94 work best at much longer ranges like DMRs

you can kinda group them in ranges

but it needs to be weapon dependant, not type

[nimble bridge]

They can set it up like velocity too

800 m/s velocity for example gives hitscan up to 40 meters

Same idea

[flint atlas]

is that needed

[nimble bridge]

800 m/s weapon would have no spread up to 40 meters

[flint atlas]

why classify them like that

velocity and spread are individual characteristics

they should be used per weapon and not as a catergory

[nimble bridge]

They can bound spread to RoF too

For easier balance

High RoF, faster spread, low RoF, slower spread

[flint atlas]

again why, the AN94 has a ROF of 1200 in burst mode and a very very tight spread at long ranges

it has its own niche

theres no reason to group weapons based on stats

[nimble bridge]

AN94 would be nerfed if BF4 was made in current year

[flint atlas]

the m240b has quite a high spread at ranges despite having a fire rate of 600 something rpm

you need a compensator and tap firing beyond close range

but its got such a high damage profile its not bad to tap fire at mid range

an94 doesnt need to be nerfed, its fine

everyones using the aek anyway

its not quite as long range but its easier to use

[nimble bridge]

I prefer tying spread to RoF, not individual spread characteristics for each weapon, it's easier to learn weapons when you understand the pattern

[flint atlas]

that would make each gun less unique

if the m240 b and the u100 had the same spread bc they have almost the same fire rate, the m240b would be incredibly over powered

[nimble bridge]

Recoil will still play a role, mag sizes will still play a role

[flint atlas]

recoil can be accounted for unless its horrible left to right

it doesnt make sense

every weapon should be case by case

else u make it hard to make each gun unique

[nimble bridge]

I mean I don't trust DICE to balance them well after 2042, half the weapons are still broken

That's why it would be better to tie it to RoF

[flint atlas]

1 game out of 7 is a pretty good track record

what game ties spread to rate of fire

i dont play a huge amount of shooters these days but is someone out there doing that?

[nimble bridge]

BFV, kinda

Spread doesn't exist in 99% of the shooters either

[flint atlas]

tying spread to fire rate would either break a lot of weapons in bf4 or make them almost identical

[nimble bridge]

It's uniquely BF

[flint atlas]

not a good idea

i cant see any upside to doing that

just design each gun as a unique item

no point in arbitrary constraints

[flint atlas]

counter strike

althought CS is a repeating pattern

but it sitll has spread

its a balance tool and its worked for every game so far

halo too

theres probably a lot of shooters that have spread lol

[nimble bridge]

Well whatever they do I hope they find a good balance with people who hates spread, people who hates recoil and people who loves spread and/or recoil

[flint atlas]

yeah just do it like bf4 and have a mix of guns

problem solved

theres everything you can think of across all those guns

[mossy marten]

check #screenshots-and-clips for the image i posted there of Warsaw revamped patch notes, they did the higher RoF = more spread thing, and it worked well when i played it

made the lower RoF guns more viable since there wasn't a blanket spread increase on all guns in a category

you choose to use higher RoF, you should have to burst more often than using a lower RoF

[nimble bridge]

Yeah otherwise you get a Type 2A situation No recoil, high RoF, high mag, no spread

[nimble bridge]

Pan Asian Coalition

[flint atlas]

but low rof guns are viable in 4, they are either very accurate or have a higher damage profile to give them a competetive ttk at close range

[nimble bridge]

Blackburn has his own PMC in 2042. He lived long enough to see himself become a villain.

[flint atlas]

it is an interesting idea, looking at those patch notes, i guess it could be useful if they want to add a ton of weapons

but id rather have less but more unique stuff

[mossy marten]

for WV, they didn't have all the guns available since they tune each weapon specifically for spread and other stuff

it's not a blanket change they make

[flint atlas]

ok then

[nimble bridge]

Legit worst idea I heard from you my man I personally think every sniper scope besides iron sights should have glint, even a red dot.

[feral garden]

Its not like any ranged snipe is a 1 shot to the body, nor is sniping easy. I dont get why marksmen are punished so much for fullfiloling the entire purpose of the role.

But its completely fine for a 1 second TTK SMG to exist punishment free.

[nimble bridge]

If half the enemy team is playing as snipers camping then it's a problem

I personally don't think SMGs should be good either, 2042 fixed that a lot

[feral garden]

Historically it has never happened.

Recon is always the least played class

[nimble bridge]

Engineer is actually

At least in the class chart they sent with BF Labs

[feral garden]

Na, engineer was chosen in that poll about the most played, its not actually the least played

[nimble bridge]

Most played were assault and support, then recon and engineer

[grim siren]

Hello fellow humans!

[feral garden]

the stats DICE themselves released showed it was Support, assault, engineer, recon

That was back in season 5 of something tho

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, you're wrong, look it up. Engineers are least selected class, 18% pick rate

Oh my bad I

I though you were talking about BF Labs

[feral garden]

No, this is specialists, weapon, class, vehicle stats they released. That was a poll only a few 1000 participated in

[nimble bridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1ihoqwj/bf6_classes_confirmed_in_ea_future_of_battlefield/

Then what is this though?

[feral garden]

It was a poll that some got an email for

[mild girder]

BF6 may have specialists, but i doubt it

[feral garden]

It wont

We already know it wont, it will have a classic class setup

[mild girder]

They are too much focusing and showing parts that represent BF3, so they will stick to classes

[feral garden]

https://www.ign.com/articles/exclusive-first-battlefield-concept-art-revealed-vince-zampella

Specialists are also out this time around. "So I wasn't there for 2042. I don't know what the rationale was, but for me, it's like the team tried something new. You have to applaud that effort. Not everybody liked it, but you got to try things. It didn't work. It didn't fit. Specialist will not be coming back. So classes are kind of at the core of Battlefield, and we're going back to that," Zampella says.

[mild girder]

i wouldnt trust what they say in interviews tho

[nimble bridge]

I hope there will be a archetype system like BFV

I want my assault to have Zain's passive

[feral garden]

They have no reason to lie...if the next game is ass, or they are shown to have lied about it in any way...the franchise is dead

[mild girder]

If EA says: "Do Specialists" they gotta do it

if they want to or not

[feral garden]

Also...there is this Labs system, and if specialists are seen, it will be known 45 seconds after the first outside testers sees them

[nimble bridge]

I don't think specialists were EA's idea

DICE self sabotaged themselves imo

[feral garden]

Zampella is the head of the franchise. He has total control

[mild girder]

ehh, wouldnt surprise me if it was

[mild girder]

Trust me, he doesnt have TOTAL control

[feral garden]

I mean, he does. they have no reason not to give it to him.

[mild girder]

EA will force them to add some kind of Monetization and those will probably be shitty ass skins nobody wants

[feral garden]

You dont hire someone as decorated as him to lead your franchise if you need to hold their hand to lead.

I fail to see what skins has to do with this topic. skins will return for sure. Its the easiest way to get ROI

[nimble bridge]

There will be shitty ass skins but I don't think specialists are coming back. Why would they lie about it in an interview?

[mild girder]

They already did it before

many times

With BF V they said during their Reveal Stream, that you will not be able to pay extra for anything

Guess what they added, Premium Currency

[feral garden]

source

[nimble bridge]

That's actually true though, all the content is free

They were talking about ditching premium model

You don't need to buy BFV Premium to play Pacific maps for example

[flint atlas]

i hope they do and then we get all the maps and weapons for free

[long dock]

No games do map packs anymore

[vague barn]

Good efening

[covert nest]

I remember a post about their original plans for company coin and battlefield coins.

How they literally removed stuff from soldier customisation and re packaged it to be sold for real world money.

[vague barn]

Unfortunately very unsurprising.

[covert nest]

I'd go and find it but my internet is throttled.

Later on they made a few elite outfits buyable with company coin but this was... season 6?

End of season 6.

Start of "season 7" on the final content update.

[pallid coral]

Its fine since we have portal

I don't wanna be forced into it for all servers but for official I don't mind

In bf1 I can never play some maps because of map selection and favouritism

[grand crow]

EA make all the crazy skins you want, just please give me the option to turn off skins please 🥹, I know it cannot possibly be that hard since Rust, made my indie devs has had it as an option since at least 2017

[feral garden]

They dont want to do that, since other players act as in game advertisements

[minor linden]

The only thing they advertise is the fact that EA is money hungry

[mossy marten]

all we can hope for is semi grounded skins

[feral garden]

company making games wants money, gee wiz!

[grand crow]

If someone wants to turn off skins I doubt they want to buy them