battlefield-labs-discussion

[fleet robin]

"we're holding a playtest in the future, sign up for a chance to participate"

[mossy marten]

nods

[fleet robin]

it doesn't get any simpler

though i admit we are assuming that the average battlefield player can read, which may be a high bar

[vast ice]

What’s crazy is once some of you get in I know yall gonna break that NDA lmao 🤣. Be the first Heyy I got in post the photo haha

[naive vigil]

Did I ever say they should absolutely give access to those that sign up? No. I said they should be more transparent. I agree that reading comprehension is a challenge.

[fleet robin]

and again i'm wondering how they could be any more transparent

other than having it be like the second question in the faq

maybe it's just me but there's no need for that much handholding, people can read, and if they choose to be upset because they didn't read that's literally nobody else's problem

[vague barn]

Should they give each and every signee a phone call to ease the understanding? But then what if they don't answer calls from unknown phone numbers?
Oh, I know, we'll send a letter in the mail to them! But wait, what if it gets lost in transit (looking at you PostNord)?
Maybe we could come knocking at their doors and explain it to them? But then what if they're not at home right then? Hmm...

[naive vigil]

For a guy who seems to think other people aren't reading, you sure aren't reading yourself.

[fleet robin]

you still haven't told us how you want them to be more transparent

hobbyist did suggest in person visits

[naive vigil]

Ehhh, for me, you already have an entire website devoted to game testing AND Battlefield Labs is supposed to be the equivalent of the old CTE. So have a dedicated Discord or page on the test site with constant updates and status updated on the number needed and number confirmed for each wave of the game.

This is the information age. No need to be vague and to keep these things hidden.

Hell, it's Battlefield. Why would you keep the builds secret in the first place.

Either you did it right and it will build word of mouth and excitement to see gameplay or it's wrong and people seeing this and letting you know it's wrong will allow them to voice that. Hiding it might create a more controlled atmosphere but for games that can lead to tunnel vision.

[pulsar shard]

i only received the confirmation email in only 2 of my 5 emails

[naive vigil]

Imma tell the secret police on you.

[pulsar shard]

their site is bugged

[vague barn]

Since you mentioned the information age; I don't think our current era requires companies to spoon-feed you information about a programme you signed up for voluntarily and they specifically said in the preceding information that you would have a chance of being accepted.

[naive vigil]

You and Kato get so hung up on them saying they might not take people that you think that is what I am asking for. I am asking for more transparency on the process.

Imagine being mad about that.

[vague barn]

Probably because it's industry standard to keep builds secret until they can be considered representative of the final state of the game, prevent reverse engineering. I don't know about you, but I don't need to be told what every individual at DICE or any of the other studios are doing or otherwise working on at every point in time.

[naive vigil]

"NO! I want them to tell me less. I hope they stop telling me things."

If someone reverse engineers it, you can sue them.

Happens all the time.

[vague barn]

That's not even remotely close to what I have been attempting to convey. What I have been attempting to convey is that you, the consumer, needs to take a certain responsibility to absorb given information.

[naive vigil]

The amount of time it takes to make a game will not allow for someone to simply make a similar game faster.

[spice bramble]

They'll probably post in #battlefield-labs-news when tests start anyways

[naive vigil]

You know what. The amount of effort I would have to put into this argument has passed my level of interest. Have nice day.

[vague barn]

Likewise!

[naive vigil]

That's one thing I needed to learn quick on messaging boards is how to just. . . .stop arguing sometimes.

[sage folio]

not worth wasting time with a 'he/him'

[naive vigil]

That seems like a bit much.

Let's not be those people.

[sage folio]

😭

[fleet robin]

you know fair enough, i think the system they have now is perfectly fine but more detailed information and frequent updates would indeed be helpful

[naive vigil]

I like that even the confirmation e-mails have a nice little easter egg with the GPS coordinates.

[vague barn]

That's funny since I literally put it there to annoy people who are annoyed by people putting it there.

[fleet robin]

from a disagreement to straight up chud that's crazy

i should add mine to my profile too

[sage folio]

yo so cool, you even act like one of them

[naive vigil]

Fellow Battlefield posters. . . . .can't we all just get along.

[vague barn]

No, this is the internet, I refuse to get along!

[naive vigil]

Wait, we can't react individual posts?
ATTICA
ATTICA
ATTICA

[magic remnant]

😭

[sage folio]

is boring if we all get along

we need some spicy

[vague barn]

That's a negative ghost rider, only regulars and I think server boosters are able to do that.

[fleet robin]

boosters no longer get perms

and ea isn't really doing anything about it

[vague barn]

Ah, I stand corrected.

[naive vigil]

throws chili powder in the air
Spicy enough?

[tall urchin]

Most people don't understand the process of development much less testing, so releasing every bit of information on your game's supposed state can misrepresent a lot to the average viewer and take things at face value.

Plus if you're actually trying to gather feedback from players at an early stage while everything is still forming, then it's especially important that things are understood to not be concrete and much can change depending on feedback.

[covert nest]

Why should they share pre release builds that are barely functional

[blissful jolt]

you're all a bunch of nerds, stop arguing and go drink some beer it's friday

[covert nest]

It's Saturday morning here mang

[vague barn]

I much prefer staying home, thanks.

[blissful jolt]

okay? Drink beer at home

what's the problem boss

[vague barn]

Fair point, I must admit.

[spice bramble]

You're a nobleman, you drink expensive wine

[vague barn]

I much prefer whiskey

[tall urchin]

I was going to say if I'm going to have some alcohol on the weekend it's gonna be a scotch lol.

[feral garden]

An email every 24 hours, telling non participants that they are currently NOT needed for testing, but that they may be chosen in future.

[fleet robin]

people might get impatient, make it every 12 hours

[feral garden]

True, we do need full transparency

[wispy dagger]

Hour

[red berry]

lmao, I was registering at the very first day, but got kicked from the survey. I thought I was done, but I didn't get any mails : (

[pallid coral]

Nothing really. Just a final "we've started the labs play testing" so people aren't too impatiently waiting for emails and rest knowing they haven't been selected maybe

But they haven't even started yet so it's not a complain I have e

[heady trail]

Im surprised there hasnt been any leaks yet

[half halo]

Because the BF labs tests haven't started afaik

There are tests being done right now but outside of BF labs

[mossy marten]

Cyber pigeon

[pallid coral]

Bros pink now

I couldn't recognize u for a sec

[mossy marten]

[naive vigil]

SOON

[gilded merlin]

Anyone else get an email from Battlefield about the playtest survery?

[tepid plinth]

It’s the funniest thing seeing people on reddit posting confidential material WITH the message saying it’s confidential. Big brain move

[versed token]

Just less people able to test

It's all good

[tepid plinth]

Raises my odds

[covert nest]

Trimming the fat

[spice bramble]

How do you guys want to see parachutes and fall damage be handled

[fleet robin]

same as it's always been tbh

you can open it whenever you want above a certain height, but it takes a moment for it to slow your descent, so you'll die if it's too close to the ground

[spice bramble]

I just don't want it to turn into Warzone or 2042 chutes

Basically no fall damage and can opening chutes right away isnt the way

[nimble bridge]

I want them to be like that

Chutes are useless in V

[mossy marten]

2042 chutes

[versed token]

Parachutes in 2042 work very similar to bf4 no?

[mossy marten]

No
2042 you can go further, you can cut the chute and re-open it, and turning is much easier than 4

Oh, and no damn stumbles like 2042 when hitting the ground from a slightly higher height

[spice bramble]

You aren't supposed to jump from 7 meters and take no damage

But BF4 has really small height thershold for opening chutes

From what I remember

[feral garden]

Parachutes in next game will depend on the maps scale, and how fast they want movement/engagements to be I'd guess.

I never really had an issue with Bf4 or 2042s parachutes. Both felt fitting for the games they were in. 2042s does have a lot more control tho.

[spice bramble]

I just don't want parachutes to give you super mobility

[vague barn]

Parachutes I don't really care that much about beyond not wanting to be able to deploy them after a 2-4 meter drop. I'd say there should also be a delay between opening and it starting to slow you down, and even then not be an instant slow down.

[bold crystal]

I just received an email from EE and initially read it as EA, man I was excited. Now a lil bit heartbroken 💔

[weary mantle]

yea the parachute differences made sense for the map sizes of the 2 games, and also the pacing. I feel like 2042 was supposed to be a lot faster then something happened before launch that slowed down movement

id like for it to revert to what it normally is in battlefield. that and sprinting. my only request is being able to cut chute* and redeploy.

[wispy dagger]

If there’s chutes I hope they’re like V

Personally I don’t like the cut and redeploy

[vague barn]

I know we've discussed grappling hooks and how they could be detrimental to gameplay and hinder good map design, but what about assault ladders?

Say a assault ladder that you can deploy to a height of around one story of an average house, and you only have one and have to be on the same "elevation" to remove it (or shoot to destroy).

[tall urchin]

Giving unnecessary height and verticality to places you can't reasonably expect is never good for map design. Less rat spots.

[vague barn]

I'm aware of that, the point of the assault ladder would not be to reach unreasonable or unintended spaces, merely to provide alternative entry points to structures. Again, I would limit it to only reaching roughly the second story of an average building to prevent the issue that was identified with grappling hooks reaching far too high up.

I will however concede that it'd be difficult to control well.

[deep mica]

its been already 2 weeks since labs

i cant wait to try it out

[spice bramble]

It's not like DICE can't put invisible barriers in places where you shouldn't go

A lot of them in BF1

And one story grappling hook would be better than a ladder anyway, they could block certain rooftops from being rappled on top of them

[tall urchin]

You realize how much work it'd take having to map out each and every variable height range to each individual map just to avoid the issue that could be solved by just not having a ladder/grapple at all?

[spice bramble]

Sure, whatever

[deep mica]

grappling hook is the problem

battlefield isnt meant to be fast like COD, 24/7 crouch slide spam

thats why 2042 went how it went

you cant have 100 people on suits, grapling hooks

[spice bramble]

Not the 2042 grappling hook

[vague barn]

We're not talking grappling hooks as in 2042 McKay

[deep mica]

you have so many ways to move around with vehicles

and you guys want the ridiculous COD copy paste

[spice bramble]

Again, we're not talking 2042 grappling hooks

[deep mica]

be creative and have innovations in BF6 not things that are already overused in apex,cod

[spice bramble]

And COD doesn't have grappling hooks

[deep mica]

i dont really care

no more silly items

[vague barn]

Not really, no, I just want a way to knife people who put a Claymore on the only way up to a rooftop.

[deep mica]

you d think you guys learned your lesson the last time

[spice bramble]

Are you capable of understanding

[deep mica]

those people on the rooftop can be countersniped anyway

you are making problems were there are none

[spice bramble]

Okay buddy

[deep mica]

even a single use GH, would ruin the way the map is uspposed to be played

when you have a sniper and a machine gun, that you need to mount, you cant have a guy coming up behind you without any cost because of the GH or the flysuits

map design gets thrown out of the window to accomodate gimmicks in those cases

[vague barn]

We're not advocating flysuits, or teleporters to rooftops

[deep mica]

graple hooks are still ruining the flow

i have no issue with them in other sci fi games

like apex

because the movement and the game rules = super fast / super movement

[vague barn]

I agree, I think grapple hooks are a little too much, whereas assault ladders would be more usable and restrictive in my view since they are of a fixed height.

[deep mica]

the only way these types of games are becoming standard

is because the new tik tok addicted generations cant be bothered to walk for 20 seconds without complaining a bout how slow a game is

battlefield should be closer to arma and squad, rather than apex and cod

[vague barn]

If someone can establish a assault ladder and use it to get up on a position behind a sniper or machine gunner without them noticing, that's fair game in my opinion because that'd require the rest of the enemy team to be oblivious

[tall urchin]

Battlefield should not be a milsim, no lol. It's always been arcadey.

[deep mica]

im not saying total mil sim, but the game industry is overbloated with fast pace fps

there s a fine line between realism and arcade fps

BF1 nailed the concept

there isnt a better fps than it

slow pace, most vehicle balanced game

great maps

and great atmosphere

[tall urchin]

Nah BF1 was awful lol

[deep mica]

if you see 1 and 2042 its like different genres

[deep mica]

ahahhahaha

one of the most succesful games in history

[vague barn]

Let me know when you've finished ranting and I might try and read what you're saying.

[deep mica]

servers still full

[tall urchin]

BF1 was their attempt at capturing the casual audience and that's why it was a financial success but it was an awful game mechanically.

[deep mica]

I ve played 3,4 ,1 ,v, 2042

1 blows everything out of the water in operations

and im not talking few hours

i got 100 hours in 3, 300 in 4, 1000 in 1, 400 in V

its so funny you say bf1 captured casual audience

when 3 and 4 were basically as casual as one could get

while the tactics of 1 in operations were way more difficult

trying for example to capture a 3 point sector in monte grappa

in 3 and 4 people cant rush a single objective

[tall urchin]

There's a lot more mechanical depth to BF3 and BF4 than BF1, and didn't feature slow clunky movement, limb damage equivalent to body shots, etc.

If you sincerely believe BF1 had any depth then you're the slow, mechanically awful casual they made the game for.

[feral garden]

It's less that Bf1 was for casuals, more that it's game design had players at a more level playing field when it comes to gunplay and movement.

Movement was pretty basic/grounded and felt slower than V or 2042.

[deep mica]

i agree

whoever doesnt wear rose tinted glasses sees how awful balance is in 3 and 4

the AA manpads can be countered by a skill pilot

so in every game you had 100/0 LAVS,HELOS,JETS,AA TANKS

and everyone had to keep going engineer, which i loved

but everyone who spams about 3 and 4 and how 6 must be identical has no clue what they are talking about

and i wasnt going 0/40

bf4 players had t o make destroying enemy helos their whole game

[tall urchin]

FPS aren't supposed to have parity for skill, if you need to dumb movement down and destroy any strafing then you didn't make a game level field you just removed any way to outplay.

[deep mica]

because if you dont hunt them, they d kill you from a mile away

we dont need fortnite buldign towers of 50 meters to show our difference of skill mate

in bf1 you easily see who is a good player when you see the level

[tall urchin]

"This game wasn't made for casuals, it just stripped out mechanical depth and made everything easier!" like damn lol

[deep mica]

especially on sales

no, it had balanced ground combat

[minor linden]

Faster/Complex movement =/= ability to outplay

Games like CS are the perfect example

[deep mica]

something that no other bf title had at that time

3 was way closer than 4

4 was vehicle spam 24/7

[deep mica]

exactly

slow movement is an art by itself

also

[tall urchin]

CS is a completely different fucking game, it's a tac FPS and it's designed around completely different gameplay and systems and even it has more depth to strafing than BF1.

[feral garden]

Good. 👍

[deep mica]

battlefield franchise is all about positionng

knowing how to not die in an open field

finding cover

not about spaming crouch slide

thats not a skill

i play a bit of COD

and the diffenece is huge

people are zooming past like they are on pills

[feral garden]

It is a skill, but it's a shit skill to allow.

[deep mica]

i dont want for players to run faster than vehicles as in warzone

[tall urchin]

Because it displays a difference in skill level because you can't aim?

Sounds like skill issue

[deep mica]

if everyone says you are wrong, perhaps u are

[minor linden]

If you want a shooter all about having better movement than everybody else, go play titanfall

BF has always been about positioning

[deep mica]

exactly

[tall urchin]

Good choice of fallacy

[deep mica]

or ape

x

or cod

there are so many franchises that revolve around fast pace move

why do casuals need to ruin our last place

[tall urchin]

BF has always been arcadey, but good rewriting of history.

[mossy marten]

idk why having some movement options to outplay or y'know cross open areas without dying instantly to positioning players is so bad

[deep mica]

no battlefield game apart from the last had that type of movement, so you are the one re writing history

[tall urchin]

Because moving fast enough to break their bad aim is cheating

[deep mica]

the BFV movement wasnt that radical

[vague barn]

🍿

[mossy marten]

something something something aim assist isn't as strong as CoD's

[minor linden]

Yeah. It's an arcade fps about positioning. Arcade =/= fast paced

[deep mica]

it should be semi realistic, where carrying 500000 pounds of ammo and weapons, doesnt allow you to run like you are in overwatch for gods shake

there are vehicles to help you cross terrain

[tall urchin]

Every FPS is about positioning, it's one of the most basic fundamentals of an FPS but you know what else is? Movement.

[mossy marten]

authentic is the word you're looking for
Gameplay > realism

[feral garden]

There isn't anything wrong with having good movement abilities. Spamable movement that to a point breaks animations and hit boxes are not enjoyable for me tho.

Bros want games that let them larp Neo from the matrix. I'll say no thanks.

[pulsar shard]

No spamming the slide is not a skill it’s a cringe mechanic that doesn’t fit battlefield in my opinion

[mossy marten]

so 2042 jump chaining is fine since it doesn't break animations or hit boxes

[deep mica]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

[mossy marten]

cool

[tall urchin]

Alright show me a clip of you slide jump killing someone else slide jumping if it's so easy for you to track

[feral garden]

I agree. I want a decent slide that's not spamable and is based on momentum.

[minor linden]

I agree that movement is a fundimental. But Fast Movement isn't.

Are you claiming that basically half of all fps games out there are missing a fundamental part of being an fps because they're slower?

[deep mica]

its especially funny when you see people dive on their head prone to avoid a hit, its so ridiculous and no one does that ever

thats the worst thing that COD allows

[pulsar shard]

I can show you multiple clips of mine in apex legends if you want

[deep mica]

and you see them actually become neo

[feral garden]

Go prone all they want. Easier headshots 😂

[pulsar shard]

If you think sliding in battlefield is skill then you must be a cod/fortnite guy

[tall urchin]

Don't play either but nice baseless assumption.

[fleet robin]

lmaooo

one of the most successful games in history

tell me another one

[deep mica]

bf1 literally had 70 mil views trailer

i should have said FPS

excuse me

[fleet robin]

is battlefield a youtube channel or a game

who the fuck cares about views

[pulsar shard]

There is a reason BF1 sold so many copies back then,that explains a lot

[minor linden]

Y'know, sliding is fine. It just shouldn't be like sliding in socks on a hardwood floor (Not directly at you Red Combo Man. You were just the only person talking about sliding)

[deep mica]

it sold 15 million copies

by 2018

i bet that number has tripled by now

[fleet robin]

hilarious

[pulsar shard]

I just don’t think it fits battlefield,BF1 and BFV is okay without slide

It ruins the immersion for me personally

[minor linden]

I'd be fine if sliding was replaced with a dive. Like, you could dive away to get away from enemy fire. They'd have to make it not possible to aim/fire when diving tho. And maybe have a little cooldown before you can get back up after diving

[feral garden]

Momentum based slide is fine. It's essentially bridging the animation between a sprint into a crouch.

[deep mica]

anyone who has served looks at those games and just laughs/breaks immersion, and immersion is key to create a game atmoshpere

[pulsar shard]

The whole point of the new battlefield is to back to its roots and not turn into a wanna be movement shooter / fortnite game again

[fleet robin]

atmosphere doesn't make a game good

[feral garden]

It's part of it tho. A big part.

[pulsar shard]

If the game has this type of movement again it won’t be battlefield

[deep mica]

idk if anyone of you have, but running with 40 kg on your back, heavy plates and reinforced boots isnt that simple

[feral garden]

Maybe for you 😝

Haha

[vague barn]

I suggest you go play Arma or Squad if you want that sort of thing to factor in.

[fleet robin]

i imagine ejecting out of your jet and jumping back in is also not simple

[deep mica]

BF1s success was built upon atmosphere, sound and map design/operations

[pulsar shard]

I don’t have a problem with movement in games such as titan fall or apex but when it comes to battlefield it literally doesn’t fit

[feral garden]

Wait, where is my seat and instrument panel?

[deep mica]

look i dont mind a little bit of tactical sprint

thats normal

its the slide spam that gets me

even the sprinting isnt that insane if you are well trained

[minor linden]

tact sprint is kinda stupid imo

Why do we even need a secondary sprint speed?

[deep mica]

but no one slides like they have baby oil on themselves

[pulsar shard]

They use Diddy oil to slide

[deep mica]

i dont have an issue if its not long lasting for covering extra ground

like 10/20 sec

with a long cooldown

[fleet robin]

i feel the same, seems like they only did it because cod did it

[minor linden]

Yea. I don't have an inherent issue with it. I'm just confused on why it exists

[fleet robin]

especially with no cooldown, like why not just increase base sprint speed in that case

[deep mica]

why is everytime someone wants a bit of realism/ simulacra we need to go play arma3

a game can exist within that fine line

[pulsar shard]

Because people are racists sometimes

[minor linden]

Tbf, we also say that they should go play apex or Titanfall or CoD

[pulsar shard]

It’s either you get the most unrealistic game take for example cod or fortnite or you are forced to play he’ll let loose or arma

[deep mica]

the series was primarily slow playing

[vague barn]

I mean, I play Arma 3 religiously and I recently got back into Battlefield again. I just don't want those two games to overlap.

[deep mica]

bf never was about sliding around

the thing that must be looked at is vehicle balance

[fleet robin]

because a lot of the "realism" suggestions people make are just unfun milsim mechanics that wouldn't suit battlefield. People were genuinely suggesting bleeding mechanics a few weeks ago

[deep mica]

there are so many ideas about vehicles, like towing an m777 under a chinook, like you towed artillery in BFV

[minor linden]

Bleeding 💀

[deep mica]

im not on here 24/7 so i missed that

[vague barn]

Bleeding mechanic 👀 /s

[deep mica]

idk why you guys think bleeding is such a radical thing

[pulsar shard]

A drag mechanic where you drag injured people would be cool

[deep mica]

BFV was supposed to have that

[vague barn]

I better have to be managing airways, controlling blood loss with IV fluids, and have 4 different bandage types.

[pulsar shard]

Yea BFV had bandages true

[fleet robin]

because it is

[deep mica]

ahhaahahh

[minor linden]

Imo this is much better than systems like team revive. It just serves to help medics instead of basically replacing them

[deep mica]

if you arent a registered nurse you cant play medic guys

[fleet robin]

battlefield isn't slow paced enough to have bleeding mechanics like arma or squad, it'd just become an unfun hindrance

[deep mica]

you need to show ur ID

[pulsar shard]

Yes

[deep mica]

if special types of weapons had bleed effect and it was rare it d be nice

[minor linden]

To play the game you have to go through basic training

[deep mica]

like grenades

[vague barn]

Exactly this. Battlefield, at least in my view, is the middle ground between Arma/Squad and Call of Duty.

[fleet robin]

then it's just rng whether you have fun or not

[deep mica]

i mean, a ton of games have explosion RNG

r6s

[fleet robin]

a ton of games are dogshit too

[tall urchin]

Reminds me of why everyone gave up on battlebit when you needed a fifteen second reload a thirty second bandage and a full minute of healing if you got grazed in a gunfight.

[fleet robin]

yep, everyone flocked to it as if it was a battlefield clone, but things like that made it much more comparable to squad

[deep mica]

squad is cool

[tall urchin]

Then go play it

[deep mica]

i like destruction that bf gives

[vague barn]

No one is trying to say it isn't. We, or at least I, am saying that Battlefield shouldn't try and be Squad 2.0.

[deep mica]

or atleast gave

[fleet robin]

we don't need games to encroach on each other's niches, squad is squad and battlefield is battlefield

[deep mica]

yea as i said, there are fine lines to balance

[tall urchin]

Then play Battlefield and appreciate it for what it is instead of twist it into another squad

[deep mica]

i play multiple genres

[minor linden]

What, did you not like the 5 destroyable buildings in 2042?

[deep mica]

i dont need to be chained to one

[deep mica]

💀

thats why i didnt bother with 2042 after beta

[fleet robin]

hey there was one destructible crane on top of that one building in kaleidoscope that did absolutely nothing

[deep mica]

you cant remove a pillar of the game

when a yakiniku said i want grapple hooks to kill campers

[pulsar shard]

Yakiniku probably likes cod

[deep mica]

the reason why you shouldnt get them, is because destruction should do that for u

when a guy is on a building in BF1

[tall urchin]

When did I say I want grapple for campers, what? Lol

[deep mica]

you simply level the building

[vague barn]

I was the one that wanted assault ladders, specifically saying not grappling hooks.

[fleet robin]

can't really do that in a map like dawnbreaker

[deep mica]

.

[minor linden]

Eh, hardline grapples could be cool. Though, they do introduce a lot more issues for map making

[deep mica]

its the same thing

[fleet robin]

i'd definitely want some sort of grapple or other portable device to help get higher

[deep mica]

i love GH in other types of games

[fleet robin]

ladders could be an idea

[vague barn]

Epic way to take one comment out of context mate.

[deep mica]

not in bf

[tall urchin]

Show me where the fuck I said this

[deep mica]

who puts claymores on rooftops mate

campers

why the **** would an assault camp roofs

[vague barn]

[deep mica]

just destroy the whole building

and be done with it

[tall urchin]

Not what I asked you, show me where I said that. I didn't.

[minor linden]

Just nuke the entire area code and there will be no buildings for them to camp on

[deep mica]

i mssed up names

woah

[vague barn]

Destroying every single building is not fun. Then you end up with way too sporadic cover and a deadlock situation.

[deep mica]

mb

i couldnt remember if it was u or the other

[vague barn]

To me, I should add.

[deep mica]

destruction doesnt always require full building collapse

[vague barn]

I don't want to bring down every single skyscraper on for example Dawnbreaker, or collapse every building on Siege of Shanghai.

[fleet robin]

shanghai moment

[deep mica]

and you couldnt grapple to a skyscraper

you know this

[vague barn]

Truth

[fleet robin]

some things don't improve the map when destroyed

[tall urchin]

Maybe if you weren't dropped as a child and liked BF1 you could remember something from ten minutes ago with clarity.

[vague barn]

I am very aware of this

[deep mica]

we are talkinga bout 2/3 story building

[mossy marten]

[deep mica]

🤣

when you reach ad hominem you know its over

[vague barn]

Let me make this excessively clear to you since you keep misunderstanding me:

I want a limited height assault LADDER, I do NOT want a grappling hook that is either attached to the player, or fired willy nilly at every single building.

[tall urchin]

My one fallacy to your ten I'll take it

[mossy marten]

Or they simply add static points of entry for areas and not worry about gadgets for stuff like that

[vague barn]

If they could add more than a single way to access a building, that would be cool, but looking at previous titles, I don't think so.

[deep mica]

this suits more R6S and counter terrorist games

but it sounds good

[mossy marten]

Then that's when jet ramming becomes a thing

[deep mica]

at this point lets add rapelling in the walls

[tall urchin]

Noooo my immurshun!

[deep mica]

i mean, whats more immersive than kamikaze

it was something that happened 24/7 in ww2

[minor linden]

I agree but only if it's just like a ladder from Home Depot strapped to the player's back

I wanna see some military dude with a bright orange ladder strapped to his back

[mossy marten]

Screw your immersion, that's the other fun of BF

[coral glen]

Wonder if they will bring back platoons

Platoon patches on uniforms were definitely cool

[deep mica]

ye

[fleet robin]

here's hoping

though i doubt emblems will ever come back

[vague barn]

Hopefully not.

[mossy marten]

They will never come back

Not with what people can make with them

The messed up few ruined it for everyone

[deep mica]

there s always a few dumbasses that put up extremist sht

and unfortunately in BFs case

those people are a lot...

[fleet robin]

it's inevitable

especially in a game about war

[deep mica]

it always attracts far right loonies

the racist stuff you see on game chat

[tepid plinth]

I’d probably just make a titanfall faction badge, but of course bad actors ruin the fun

[mossy marten]

Know what's funny?
I can say "fuck" here, but not in game

Like whyyy lmao

[spice bramble]

You can't say fuck in game?

[mossy marten]

Its ****

[spice bramble]

Oh 2042

[deep mica]

[mossy marten]

And BFV

[tall urchin]

I remember getting banned from a BF server for saying fuck in chat, a game mind you where the soldiers shout much more lol

[spice bramble]

Oh BFV and 2042

[deep mica]

meanwhile in bf1 you had ppl writing manifestos

[spice bramble]

I swear I heard a soldier yell "Son of a bitch!" in the Labs video

[fleet robin]

the decline of trash talking is unfortunate

[spice bramble]

Swearing's coming back, at least via voice lines

[mossy marten]

Like, obviously keep certain stuff blocked (slurs, etc)
But let me type fuck or shit 😂

[spice bramble]

It's the age of snowflakes now

No more big boy words

[tall urchin]

This is a Christian server

[deep mica]

[mossy marten]

[spice bramble]

I believe it's a Buddhist server

[fleet robin]

i think it was cod

might be bringing trash talk back

read it in some post they made

obviously there's no need for slurs but everyone playing a war game should be adult enough to handle a few swear words in chat

[tall urchin]

Not to mention AI moderated voice chat has led to issues with other languages and even accents

[mossy marten]

"AI"
Machine Learning

[spice bramble]

R6Siege is implementing AI as well

For VC moderation

[tall urchin]

Machine learning that will ban someone for saying something with a thick French accent but player names can have horrendous shit in them

[mossy marten]

True
Quite wild

[spice bramble]

Sounds perfect

[mossy marten]

Time for me to install w11 and run a few tweaks
Should be interesting lol

[tall urchin]

Godspeed

[spice bramble]

w11 is great

Can't complain

[mossy marten]

Gotta debloat EVERYTHING

Windows would make so much money if they had a windows version that was just the basics needed to run windows lol

[spice bramble]

I only have W11 because I thought my systems was slow as fuck and I tried a clean install, turns out my refresh rate just reset to 60Hz

[mossy marten]

Im installing 11 because 10 is almost EoL, and got a new 2tb wd sn850x drive during black friday that I finally installed

[spice bramble]

Do your black fridays bring substantial drops in price?

Our black fridays don't really discount much

From the PC section...

[mossy marten]

Got it for $140, normally its $200

USD*

And its the one with the heat sink too

[spice bramble]

Actual sales, wow

[versed token]

I can get it for 140 right now

[spice bramble]

They discount stuff from 60 dollars to 50 dollars and call it a black friday here

[versed token]

Actually nvm it's the one without heatsink

[mossy marten]

It's $160 on amazon for me rn

[spice bramble]

Costs 190 here

You guys are Americanos?

[versed token]

land

[mossy marten]

Sí

[spice bramble]

Amazon shipping here costs 100usd alone

[tall urchin]

I actually just got that drive too lol

[spice bramble]

Exaggerating, 60

[mossy marten]

WD is the 🐐 for me
2x500gb sn750s for 6 years no issues
Just wanted the extra capacity

[spice bramble]

I have Adata SSD, been fine too

[tall urchin]

Most of my SSDs are crucial but for my M2 it's WD

[mossy marten]

All of my drives are WD lol
The new 2tb
500gb for games
1tb HDD for clips

[spice bramble]

That 2TB is for games too, right

500GB for games when each one is 100gigabytes nowadays

each game i mean

[mossy marten]

Yeah, the main ones
I'm limited by gen 3 pcie on my mobo so either way 🤷‍♂️

[spice bramble]

I don't even know what I have

All I know is that I need an upgrade

[tall urchin]

2TB should be enough to install GTA6

[mossy marten]

In 5 years when they finally port it

[mossy marten]

I only got the sn850x for when I upgrade in the future where I wouldn't be limited by gen 3 pcie slots

And the fact it's cheaper than gen 3 ssds as well lol

[spice bramble]

What's your GPU/CPU right now?

[mossy marten]

5800x3d and 6950xt reference

[spice bramble]

I'm seriously doubting my PC won't get a cardiac arrest if I get into the playtests

Daym

[fleet robin]

requirements are low

[spice bramble]

5800x3d, wish I had it

[fleet robin]

shouldn't be too bad

[spice bramble]

They are but my PC underperforms

[mossy marten]

Got it on sale along with the 6950xt
$300 and gpu was $600
Both brand new

I did take apart the GPU and repaste it with better paste and painted the shroud white

[spice bramble]

If I upgrade I'm going AM5

But for AM4 5800X3D is prolly the best

[fleet robin]

i considered an upgrade to am5 but it'd cost me way too much, got the 5800x3d and decided to wait

[spice bramble]

I'll go all in on the next upgrade

[mossy marten]

Yeah, ill wait for 2 generations from 9000 series

Or if fps for BF goes under monitor refresh rate lol

[spice bramble]

Well they better give us something next week

[mossy marten]

Im guess mid march is when stuff will start happening

[spice bramble]

Well, announcing that tests are going to happen "in the coming weeks" at the start of February, and then having to wait 'til mid March isn't ideal

[fleet robin]

they might've already started tbh

we wouldn't know probably

[spice bramble]

All I want is for them to announce that the tests have started #battlefield-labs-news

Would be weird if we got feedback on playtests before announcing that they started

[tall urchin]

Don't worry, you'll know when tests start because someone will invariably post a video and get nuked from orbit

[spice bramble]

Then they haven't started yet

Reddits squeaky clean

[half halo]

I think invites will go out next Tuesday and tests will start the week after

That's what I want to believe 😂

[vague barn]

Cue X-Files theme

[spice bramble]

It makes sense

But I thought many things made sense sooo

[mossy marten]

True

[vocal viper]

The only thing I want to know if these will be Alpha tests. Beta tests might not be enough.

[mossy marten]

These will be alphas most likely
But they're just calling it "playtests"

[fleet robin]

the game is in pre alpha

they're looking to get feedback on maps, modes, mechanics, etc and changes to those just wouldn't be possible if the game was so far along as to call it a beta

[half halo]

The game is currently in pre-alpha State:

"Even in pre-alpha, we are proud of where the game is at. We tirelessly playtest, but your feedback will supercharge our development as we strive to hit that perfect note between form, function, and feel. "

[limpid sluice]

I would probably see getting into the test as a sign of god and finally buy a new station tbh

[half halo]

I have a GTX 4080 and an I9 CPU, I should be good I think

[pallid coral]

probs not

with a low-mid tier build like that, i think you'll need dlss to carry u

[vocal viper]

Good. We should be able to make a significant impact on the game. The easiest way for a dev to be proven right is by the community providing the data.

[half halo]

The fuck you mean? "Low-mid" tier lmao

RTX 4080 and i9-14900 CPU is plentu

Plenty*

[fleet robin]

mid tier at best

might have to use frame gen at higher settings

[pallid coral]

no shit its good -_- 😂

idk why u even asked that question

[half halo]

I play Games in ultra already???

[pallid coral]

"i wonder if my 5090 and i9 15th gen + 128gb ddr6 @ 8000MT's and 2000W PSU can run this game hmm please, thoughts"

[half halo]

Well it was an /s type of question

[pallid coral]

i was just teasing u, but still a silly question 😂

[half halo]

You got baited hard

[vague barn]

[pallid coral]

not rlly, i was just tryna play along

[half halo]

No hard feelins :3

[half halo]

Love that popcorn guy

Now I'm hungry

[vague barn]

Popcorn is very good yes.

Except when it gets stuck in your teeth

[half halo]

Question is: team butter or team caramel?

[vague barn]

Team Neither

[half halo]

😮

Team Cheese?

[vague barn]

Team Unflavored-with-popcorn-seasoning-on

[half halo]

I see

What type of seasoning?

[vague barn]

This might sound gross to some but sourcream and onion seasoning on popcorn is quite good.

[half halo]

Never tried myself I admit

[vague barn]

I highly recommend it. Suspiciously good on just french fries too.

[feral garden]

Popcorn is a savory snack. So sourcream and onion is probably really good.

[vague barn]

It's better than it has any right to be.

[fleet robin]

sweet popcorn is the only way

[half halo]

Popcorn floating in a swamp of butter is >>>

[vague barn]

I used to like ridiculously buttery popcorn but, damn, that seasoning changed my life in three bites.

[pallid coral]

and when u finish it u realise ur stomach is now fucked for the day XD

at least u will shit really nicely ig

[half halo]

Definitely 🤣🤣🤣

[mild girder]

just get a 5700x3d lol not a big difference at all, most advantanges the 5800x3d has, is in Programs like for rendering and stuff, But if you are just gaming, the 5700x3d is plenty

[spice bramble]

I'll go 7 9800x3d

I need longevity

Wanted 7800x3d but its almost the same price now

[mild girder]

I wont get AM5 at all, DDR5 is useless for Gaming and dont wanna spend 500$ for the whole upgrade kit or more (CPU,Mainboard,RAM)

[spice bramble]

If you dont go AM5 you will have to in the future

Upgrades just wont be possible

[fleet robin]

am6

[mild girder]

I would probably upgrade when AM6 drops lol

[fleet robin]

i might wait for am6 as well

[mild girder]

5700x3d will give me enough juice for the next few years till the limit for the CPU is reached

[spice bramble]

What was the year gap between am4 and 5?

[mild girder]

about 5 years

[spice bramble]

If I waited for am6 id be sober from gaming by that point

[mild girder]

But i will never go back to intel. My last Intel CPU was a i5 2500k, since then i was always AMD

Before i upgraded, i had a R5 3600

[spice bramble]

intel aint the way

[mild girder]

especially with their current fuck ups

[spice bramble]

especially not after its recent scandals

yes

[mild girder]

two great minds think alike

[spice bramble]

meow

[mild girder]

But the Intel GPUs are huge tho, sure drivers are maybe still shit but for that price?

Its a steal

[fleet robin]

hoping intel improves

we need some good competition

[mild girder]

fr

i dont wanna spend 1k for a GPU with only 5-10% performance increase

cough NVIDIA cough

[fleet robin]

pay 3x msrp of a 5070ti to get 4080 performance

i love it

[mild girder]

I just bought a 4070Ti Super and will keep it

Also love that some 5070Tis are about the same price as a MSRP 5080 lol

I really hope AMD just doesnt fuck up their Launch with a horrible price

[fleet robin]

you just know they will

[mild girder]

yea...

i call the -50$ discount

[tall urchin]

At this rate I'm going to wait another series of cards to upgrade from a 2080Ti if cards are going to be this costly for small improvements

Not to mention scarcity

[feral garden]

4090 will last me another 4/5 years.

[golden vortex]

If it doesn't burn up

[fleet robin]

lmao yeah

[teal dune]

did the playtests start already?

[vague barn]

No.

[fleet robin]

you'll know if you get an email inviting you

[teal dune]

Thanks.

[tepid plinth]

Especially when they market it with software that just makes up the rest using ai, things I don’t turn on in games anyway

Never use DLSS, never use frame gen, so it’s kinda worthless for me

[mild girder]

I only used it so far to test my GPU in Cyberpunk, feels good enough for me but i wouldnt care in multiplayer games turning DLSS on

AND HOW LONG DO THEY TAKE TO DELIVER MY PIZZA

[mossy marten]

Hey, I'm not the driver today

[mild girder]

bro they are closed now and i still havent gotten my pizza

I ALREADY PAYED FOR IT

[mossy marten]

time to become a Karen

in the morning when they're open

[mild girder]

I either want my money back or free snackies as compensation

[spice bramble]

U getting a diet as a compensation

Go eat a salad

[vague barn]

Man, A Clockwork Orange is such a good film.

[spice bramble]

Looked it up on google and it looks like a fever dream

[vague barn]

It essentially is.

[mild girder]

it just came and so did i

[vague barn]

The amount of senseless, excessive violence in the movie is marvelous.

Especially in the theatre scene.

I understand why the Director (Kubrick) chose to pull strings to have it banned in the UK.

[mossy marten]

The Mummy (1990-whatever year it is) the 🐐

[vague barn]

I want to watch that some day. I've heard some good things about it.

[vale burrow]

they are like 1450 euros here

[mild girder]

MSRP in Germany is 1169 and the most expensive 5070ti is 1209 lol

[vale burrow]

wtf i guess i could order from germany if they lower a bit more there

[mild girder]

If you can find them in stock lol

[mossy marten]

and find the ones that aren't missing RoPs

[mild girder]

i completly missed this drama, what is happening with the 50 cards?

Lol the statement from NVIDIA is gold

"The average graphical performance impact is 4%, with no impact on AI and Compute workloads"

So some people even get much worse improvements from the previous gen

[mossy marten]

there's a certain percentage of cards missing RoPs, which are the final stage of computing being fully rendered essentially (very bad tldr from JayzTwoCents video) and thus have that performance loss due to it. 5090s being about a 6-10% loss on avg

[mild girder]

Worst NVIDIA GPU Series ever to be released

All Cards are just fucked

[nimble bridge]

You can do that in V, just with rolling instead of chuting. Rolling has like 10 meters of fall damage immunity and reduces the damage you take afterwards.

[mossy marten]

and the kicker of the "no impact on AI and compute workloads" really shows where they're putting their money

[mild girder]

Yea, they dont give a fuck about gamers at this point, just wanna push the AI Market

[half halo]

And the crypto miners

[mild girder]

Crypto Mining isnt that profitable anymore tho

[nimble bridge]

Anyways I don't have issues with 2042's chutes. I like the mobility it gives to the players especially when people can summon vehicles to places they shouldn't be in. If someone deploys a tank at the top of a building then I should be able to chute from a heli and drop 3 C5s on it.

[spice bramble]

I like the rolling feature

[tall urchin]

I can't wait to tell my computer to generate a game to play and it gives me 6 middle fingers and overheats

[half halo]

You'd be surprised how many industrial plants there are in China with a lot of GPUs mining crypto

[mild girder]

also didnt nvidia implement something that the hashrates get slowed down?

[mossy marten]

[spice bramble]

That's a 2042 problem

[mild girder]

Nvm, they removed it with the words: "We don’t believe it’s necessary in the current environment"

[tall urchin]

I need a prompt generator to generate a prompt for a prompt generator to generate something I never knew I absolutely did not need

Well worth melting the polar ice caps for

[mossy marten]

and wasting useful electricity

[tall urchin]

And stealing from someone's work and ensuring they don't have a job fuck you for developing a skillset nerd!

[deep mica]

i wish my 2060 runs and not explode with the new game

[mossy marten]

isn't a 2060 the min specs for the playtest? or was it 1060?

[fleet robin]

2060

but minimum requirements are usually pretty rough

[mossy marten]

thank you, 1060 was the DF BHD campaign min specs then lol

[fleet robin]

1060 for black hawk down??

[mossy marten]

yes

[fleet robin]

lmao

must be the minimum required to boot the game

[scarlet sundial]

Someone knows when we are getting info about the alpha testing?

[deep mica]

i ll be getting 20 fps

[fleet robin]

nope

[scarlet sundial]

[tepid plinth]

Nobody knows and nobody will know

For revealing such info will result in a smiting from the dev team

[mossy marten]

Dice team seeing a cyber pigeon being mentioned when they're sent out eventually
thanos snaps

[spice bramble]

I assume there's a labs-news channel for a reason

[mossy marten]

well i doubt that they'll be posting on when emails get sent

oh so there is a automod lol
but it would cause a larger cluster than needed lol

[spice bramble]

They'll probably post when playtests start

Would be weird if the first thing they post is session feedback

[half halo]

I think There Will be a post like "Battlefield Labs playtests are well underway, stay tuned for the first feedback session on our official channels"

Or something like that

[spice bramble]

I'd rather wait 'til they post raw feedback than be told to "stay tuned"

[pallid coral]

I'd prefer them at least announcing that, would certainly give me the peace of mind

[distant trout]

I think they should've limited the labs playtest and not let 6million people sign up when maybe a few hundred will get to playtest before beta

[pallid coral]

more numbers = greater chance of them finding the right people

it benefits them, they don't really care how we feel about that lol

[distant trout]

Yeah but sifting through that many surveys will be a big pain

[pallid coral]

thats their problem 🤷

probs got an ai or something to help with that or other automated tools

[distant trout]

I'm all for it don't get me wrong it's just a lot of people

[half halo]

Definitely should have a cap to signup... I mean it's just a waste of time to have 1.5 million people sign up for a few thousands playtesters

[teal dune]

Who cares? maybe they want specific people to playtest it and the process is probably fully automated

Cant believe some people in here think EA employes are actually going to go through every single one of the sign-ups themselves😂 😂

[fleet robin]

it's not first come first serve

what if they only open up 10k slots and all of them get filled with one type of player

they let people sign up because they'll be choosing based on what they need, people who are vets/new/whatever

the more people sign up the more types of players they can pick from

[pallid coral]

i mean again, the more population data they have, the better they can select different types of players for different feedback

also remember that this survey probably also helps them with other bf related things not just labs

our data is taken, they can use it in whatever game they want

[half halo]

I understand, but the possibility that 10k people are the same type is statistically impossible

Like if only 10k would have been able to register I mean

Juste with a sample of 200k would have been enough I think

[pallid coral]

we dont know that tho 🤷

[half halo]

Again we are all theorizing here ahah

[half halo]

You're right we don't

[vague barn]

Hypothesizing and theorizing, fantastic pastimes. Quite fun.

[half halo]

Ahahaha

[pallid coral]

the copium is real, i wish only the first 1000 people get in (because ik i was one of them) >:)

[half halo]

[fleet robin]

sure, but it's better to pick from a million rather than ten thousand

and yeah like swa said, this required people to sign up for ea playtesting as a whole, so it benefits more than just labs

[teal dune]

How is that impossible? theres millions of people who signed up?

[half halo]

Well for those Who weren't registered before ahah

[half halo]

I said if only 10k registered

Sure for a sample of a million it's possible

The more people you have, the odds get better

But if only 10k people registered, it's statistically close to 0 the chances that all of them are the same

Same playtime per week, same Games played, same favorite game, same [insert Category], etc.

Like I'm sure just between me and @pallid coral our answers to the survey were different 😂

[teal dune]

Thats exactly why they do it this way... why were you complaining about it?

[half halo]

??? Where did I complain? I just explained theories and what I believe would have been better imo lmao nowhere did I Say that I know better than Them and that their way of doing it is wrong per their own standards

[teal dune]

...

[half halo]

IMO: In my opinion*

[pallid coral]

I have no idea what this conv is

[half halo]

Damn, guess you guys can't read between the lines

[half halo]

[vague barn]

I am just along for the ride. I have popcorn if anyone would like some.

[pallid coral]

What flavour

[half halo]

I'm Eating tacos right now, but same me some for after 🙂

[vague barn]

Unflavored but seasoned with sourcream and onion

[pallid coral]

Mmm

[half halo]

Save me*

[vague barn]

Will do, chap.

[spice bramble]

Popcorn conversation again

Amazing

[half halo]

@compact bridge of course 😍

[spice bramble]

hobby why u eating popcorn before bedtime

[half halo]

Battlefield Labs Will be temporary, Popcorn is forever

[vague barn]

Popcorn conversations are more interesting than whatever the previous conversation was.

[vague barn]

Because bedtime isn't here yet.

[half halo]

*DISCLAIMER: OF COURSE I don't know for a fact if BF Labs is temporary

[spice bramble]

Popcorn isnt healthy

[half halo]

Before somebody comes at me again

[spice bramble]

you ate like 2 kilos already

[vague barn]

True, but damn is it good.

[vague barn]

Two microwave bags, they aren't that big.

[half halo]

@spice bramble Popcorn is better than chips

Nutrition wise

[spice bramble]

i dont disagree

nor do i care so bye

[teal dune]

🥶

[vague barn]

See ya

[half halo]

🤣

What's your favorite type of south-american food?

[vague barn]

The edible kind

[half halo]

Man of culture

Spicy or not spicy?

[vague barn]

I do fancy me some spicy food now and again.

[half halo]

I agree, but spicy as in spice, not as in pepper.

I'm not a fan of anything beyond habanero

For Christmas, one of my Friend did a vodka/jalepeno/soda type of cocktail, was surprisingly good lol

[pallid coral]

Get some of dat Indian food

[vague barn]

Returning briefly to your regular scheduled programming; I do hope Battlefield Labs lasts for some time, give some time to implement and iterate on changes brought forward by feedback. I don't want them to rush this shit due to impatience either on the part of corporates or players who just want the final product as soon as possible.

[pallid coral]

I hope EA knows well (I know they do) that this is the last chance at delivering a good BF game, I really hope they take their time with it

[half halo]

In my opinion, and again I have no sources to support my claim, I believe it will most likely last until the open beta is released closer to launch

[pallid coral]

IMO it'll be till closed beta (Again without anything to support it)

[tepid plinth]

If this is going to be their replacement for normal in house testing that they’ve done for past titles it’d better last as long as possible

[vague barn]

Honestly I wouldn't expect them to do any better with that in mind, gamers tend to be very forgiving to franchises they like.

[pallid coral]

Iterative tests are usually done for components that they are very unsure about or experimental ones

Once those are cleared out, the team usually goes into refinement and closed betas take place to help with those + stress tests

[long dock]

It's moreso Dice that needs to get this right

EA probably already plans on killing off battlefield if this one flops

[pallid coral]

True

[pallid coral]

Yeah but the majority of the trust goes away game by game :/

Like knowing that 4 fucking massive studios couldn't make a good game looks so bad

[vague barn]

I don't know about anyone else, but I do kind of hope that Battlefield Labs stays even after release to test new content as well, sort of like CTE did for BF4.

[pallid coral]

I'm with you man

[long dock]

The fact of the matter the last 2 battlefields have been flops they're not going to keep trying if they flop again

[pallid coral]

BFV? Flop?!

[long dock]

Yeah it sold poorly

I actually like BFV

[pallid coral]

In terms of quality, I'd say it's up there

No matter how little content it had

[long dock]

Yeah it has some of the best mechanics overall

[vague barn]

I'd imagine the worst that'll happen is that we get a repeat of the Medal of Honor situation. I.e. the series gets put on hold for a few years.

[long dock]

It wasn't really the WW2 battlefield people wanted though

It feels so different atmospherically from BF1

[fleet robin]

people will eat anything up as long as it has good atmosphere, it seems

[long dock]

Atmosphere is important

[pallid coral]

Honestly IMHO Apart from the atmosphere and the 'war' feeling, BF1 was a "good" game, nothing that crazy

[fleet robin]

so is gameplay, and bfv had some of the best in the franchise

[long dock]

BF1 is a lot stronger than the sum of its parts

[mossy marten]

Bf1 was mid not including atmosphere and grandeur of the behemoths

[fleet robin]

i'd never seen so many people complain so much about a game that improved on the previous one, simply because of its atmosphere

[pallid coral]

attrition system my beloved

[mossy marten]

Ewww

[long dock]

My biggest problem with BF1 is the blatantly overpowered shit like the smg08 and Ilya muromets

[pallid coral]

the only time BF games had real teamwork

[pallid coral]

😭

[fleet robin]

bfv had so many good qol features

[pallid coral]

well i do have a bit of an eccentric perspective but ya ;/

[fleet robin]

being able to throw ammo at people and grab ammo from teammates was amazing

hope that comes back

[long dock]

Hardline added the latter

Not V

Technically

[tepid plinth]

Goes to show that people care mostly for aesthetics

[fleet robin]

fair enough, still hope it returns

[long dock]

I don't think it's shocking that battlefield players care a lot about aesthetics

It's been one of the strongest parts of the series for it's existence

[tepid plinth]

It’s not at all shocking, just wish some people cared as equally for systems

[long dock]

And both V and 2042 dropped the ball on that aspect entirely

[pallid coral]

I think many people treat aesthetics and the "game" as different things, it's just that people mix it up in arguments

[fleet robin]

i wouldn't say v dropped the ball entirely

[long dock]

Yeah fair

[fleet robin]

it had good aesthetics and atmosphere, it just wasn't as gritty and depressing as bf1

[pallid coral]

I love aesthetics, I will always love it, and if a game has amazing style, it's an instant 5/10 for me (at least)

[long dock]

The final point on iwo jima breakthrough is a pretty incredible experience

Cannot lie

[tall urchin]

Why do people like a system that basically forces people to play Medic or be at a disadvantage after being involved in a singular instance of combat? Attrition was awful.

[long dock]

You get a first aid pack no matter the class and you can refill at any point

Sounds like a you problem for not playing the objective

I don't feel that strongly any which way about attrition honestly

I wouldn't care if they made it so you eventually healed to 100 again even without using first aid

[tepid plinth]

One of the 3 core foundations of any game, it plays a huge part. Narrative immersion is one of the reasons I love games like stalker so much, but without systems to back it up it can feel pretty bland

[fleet robin]

i think attrition was alright but i wouldn't be sad if it never returned. Felt like a pretty harsh way to force teamwork

[pallid coral]

One of the big reason why XDefiant felt so bland

[tepid plinth]

Like, bf1 is my least played bf because of that. It looks pretty and sounds good and all but I just preferred a little more on the gameplay front

[pallid coral]

Had no narrative, no visual style (got lost after COD cloning started)

[tepid plinth]

This is where it gets interesting! Xdefiant was a mishmash of themes and tone, but it was still one of my favourite shooters from the last 4 years or so

[fleet robin]

well xdefiant had a style back when it was announced, but then they reworked it into being extremely bland and sterile

[long dock]

BF1 gameplay is fun IMO. I think the tank gameplay is very strong and infantry doesn't have to worry about helicopters making their life hell 24/7

It's clearly designed around operations though

And yet some of the maps are abysmal for operations (cough Sinai)

Also 3 point objectives in operations are also just such an awful design decision

2 is already difficult enough for attackers

[sand spire]

When are the playtests?

[fleet robin]

when you get an email telling you you're selected

[tepid plinth]

nobody knows

or will know

[pallid coral]

That's interesting 👀

[pallid coral]

It didn't force people, it encouraged them. War isn't a choice, you gotta play a role

Sometimes simply helping people is you doing your job as a soldier

And yeah sure "Battlefield was never that type of game" but that might exactly be why I loved the attrition system even more

Speaking of atmosphere though, I think BFV's Norway map night time breakthrough was Top 3 best moments in the franchise

Where you had to jump from those planes as attackers / Shoot them down with AT's as defenders

[long dock]

I don't think I've ever played it since it's only on grand operations. I know what you're talking about though.

[pallid coral]

Yeah no one plays that anymore, it wasn't super balanced at the beginning either

[long dock]

Narvik I think

[pallid coral]

YEE

[long dock]

I'm annoyed they're wasting resources on a battle Royale for round 3

But whatever I just hope the normal game turns out well

[tepid plinth]

Attrition doesn't change the game for the medic however. They still dish out packs to people who need it, and have indefinite healing themselves. In theory the more constant reliance on medics should push people to play near a medic, but ultimately it just feels more obnoxious than a system there to improve the experience

weakness is a viable balancing option, but when it limits you that much it just didn't land where it wanted to

[vague barn]

This reminds me of a pretty standard explanation that's used in the Swedish Armed Forces, that I actually think is somewhat relevant to Battlefield at a glance:
It is your group and your platoon that solves the task.
Det är din grupp och din pluton som löser uppgiften.

[long dock]

BFV doesn't have a shortage of medic players with how busted the type 2a was though

[pallid coral]

Yeha I agree it wasn't great, but just the change itself was something I enjoyed. I do agree with your points above tho 100%

[pallid coral]

Took them ages to balance that gun 💀

[long dock]

1200rpm smg with a 50 round magazine 😭 😭

It's still busted

[pallid coral]

They had to ban the Type2A from competitive plays

[vague barn]

The Type 2A is one of very few guns that I view as requiring minimal skill to the extent that I call their required skill level "negligible".

[tall urchin]

It didn't encourage, it forced people significantly into that role. If the mark of a good and impactful player is staying alive and staying alive is actually a hindrance to every class's HP besides medic then the only way to not be at a health disadvantage is either hope some random heals you or you pick medic.

[long dock]

I don't think battlefield guns generally require that much skill

Type 2a is just very braindead with how lethal it is when up close

BF3/4 takes more skill cause of the weapon spread when spraying

But it also makes everything feel a lot more frustrating

Also BF4 guns feel so similar to each other

[tepid plinth]

thing about the medic is that more often than not people go to it because attrition is so obnoxious that they often just choose to go medic to avoid the pain of it, not to help others. Another instance where bf teamplay is mostly just a side effect of placing things to keep yourself alive

[pallid coral]

Hmm I dunno. For me I played maybe 5% medic and most of my time was playing the recon class, and it was fine for me. It made me not camp more, go to ammo/med boxes and actually build them to help myself (and to help my team indirectly). Not having full health gen wasn't an issue for me ever because we got partial med gen which was more than enough for me

[vague barn]

I'd say there is a difference in the skill required to do well with a firearm even in Battlefield, but usually the same principles, once learned, can improve your performance with a lot of different systems.

[long dock]

There isn't much differentiation between the different guns in each class, just slight differences.

[nimble bridge]

Problem isn't just attrition but also SMG medics

[pallid coral]

Well yeah, which sucks

BF's "teamwork" has always been deploying med packs or ammo boxes

Squad play only exists to spawn on top of each other (and deploying missiles ig)

[nimble bridge]

Not in my BF2 days 👴

[tall urchin]

SMGs were also a significant reason for selecting the role but the major one by far was having player agency of keeping 100HP

[vague barn]

How does one foster and encourage teamwork in an effective way in a game like Battlefield though?

Edit: beyond throwing medical and ammo packs back and forth.

[long dock]

I'd rate both about the same in significance but the one thing that unfortunately wasn't as much of a factor as it should be is smoke grenades

None of these medics in bfv use smokes to push in operations

[tepid plinth]

it's a mindset that's hard to teach. I feel the easiest way to start pushing teamwork in a way that actually teaches people the game knowledge needed to apply it more intrinsicly would ironically be more point scoring categories for supportive actions

[vague barn]

Maybe my meds are fucking me up but I can't think of any really effective way to do that.

[tall urchin]

You cannot force teamwork, there are no amount of incentives that will make people choose to play differently. The recon sitting 800m away is still going to snipe, the support player going mortar is still going to be way back, and the engineer isn't necessarily going to follow every vehicle.

All you can do is allow the tools for teamwork to exist.

[long dock]

Engineer is such a poorly designed class holy shit

[vague barn]

I'm not talking how to force teamwork. I'm talking how to foster and encourage it.

[long dock]

BFV handled it so much better with repair tool being built into the support class

[tall urchin]

You cannot.

[long dock]

No one is gonna bring a repair tool when you can get explosives instead

[nimble bridge]

Back in my BF2 days sprint was limited so bus players were transporting players from one side of the map to other, you could only spawn on squad leader so you had to keep them alive, ammo was limited in mags so once you reloaded you had to drop a whole mag, healing beyond a certain HP was limited to medic 🧓 BFV is the closest game to 2 among all the sequels.

[pallid coral]

I'm not a hardcore milsim player, and I don't think BF needs a hardcore milsim involvement to any degree, but I adore how those milsim games do teamwork, where you feel like communication and playing around each other is also its own minigame in a way. I think every death should matter more in BF than it does in BF1/5/2042, everytime you dump a mag it shouldn't just be infinite mags, you should be able to run out of mags in ur life and get it from dead people or your teammates (again not something that happens that often in 2042 because of how fast you die and respawn and play so messily) and every role should have a proper purpose. Honestly IDK how you would fix this for BF without the community whining saying this game's isn't milsim. Trust me bro, BF fans don't want anything but a braindead game with decent gunplay and good looking graphics. There's a minority of people who care about intricate details.

[vague barn]

Yeah. I do like the idea of restricting full healing of HP to require a medic, or alternatively as in BFV require a consumable medpack that requires replenishment. I never liked and probably never will like games that discard ammunition in magazines per default. If there was a "fast" reload that discarded the magazine and one that retained the magazine, I wouldn't mind it, but having discarding the mag entirely as the only option is insane to me.

[long dock]

I would say they care about combined arms combat but then I remembered that's still only 50% with how popular metro/locker servers are

[prime steppe]

Anyone else still havent gotten the confirmation email for signup

[long dock]

I got the one about updating my preferences but I did that

So idk

On the site itself it appears like I'm signed up

[nimble bridge]

There are more vehicle maps in BF than meat grinder maps

[vague barn]

I kind of want persistent magazines, maybe with a retention/discard magazine reload. So instead of grabbing ammo from a "pool", you grab magazines from, well, magazines.

[nimble bridge]

Should be other way around honestly

[vague barn]

Because I kinda am not a fan of the "Oh I fired two shots, let me reload"-mindset. I feel like it takes a lot of the forethought and tactical thinking out of the game, which sure, might be too milsim for some people, but I think it'd be an improvement.

[pallid coral]

R to reload --> Swap magazines
Doublel R to fast reload --> Discard magazine, get a new ones fast

[long dock]

Battlebit had that

[nimble bridge]

Fast mags makes no sense in BF, we ain't playing in CoD's hallway

[long dock]

Insurgency sandstorm had that too

[pallid coral]

IMO BF just hyper-simplifies that for a game that's supposed to simulate war to some degree

[nimble bridge]

No one will discard a whole mag

[vague barn]

This with the added ability to pick up half-empty mags in a pinch would be good.

[pallid coral]

I will

[long dock]

Well BF is also designed to be casual and arcadey, very pick up and play

[nimble bridge]

Only weapons that requires fast mags are LMGs and even fast mags of LMGs will be slower than any ARs slow empty reload

[vague barn]

I view it kind of as a middle ground between Squad/Arma and Call of Duty, but leaning more toward Squad/Arma than Call of Duty.

[pallid coral]

Learning that you have real magazine imo doesn't make that big of a difference

[long dock]

I don't mind some slightly hardcore mechanics but you definitely can't go overboard

[pallid coral]

I think the existing community could learn that like right away, it's even more logical than the current mechanic

[long dock]

I think it's closer to cod than arma

I mean BF3 and 1 literally did CoD numbers

[nimble bridge]

BF should be even more closer to CoD with more infantry only maps

[long dock]

Arma could never dream of that

[pallid coral]

If we're talking about 2042 then yeah it's basically a slightly slower COD with bigger maps and helicopters

[nimble bridge]

Any BF past BC is that

[long dock]

Yeah the newer the battlefield the more CoD like it gets

[nimble bridge]

CoD with big maps

[vague barn]

While I do mostly play infantry, I do not agree with this. I would rather have more CQB/infantry oriented portions of maps, than pure infantry only maps.

[nimble bridge]

I want both

[pallid coral]

One thing BF doesn't have that games like squad/arma has is the downtime between fights. Once you capture a flag in Arma or Squad, you have like ~5m or sometimes up to 10m of downtime before you can get to the next objective

In BF, just grab a car for urself and vroom vroom

[vague barn]

I really wish transport vehicles had more value to them.

[nimble bridge]

There are tons of vehicle only maps in every BF game, only time infantry only players got any love was in BF3's CQ DLC

[pallid coral]

Even in infantry maps, running to another obj takes like 2 minutes max lol

Point is, the maps and movement is designed to be fast and "solo" specific. You don't have to rely on anyone to play the game

[long dock]

🚙 💣

[vague barn]

VBIED 🔥

[pallid coral]

if bf7 doesn't have nokia phones to activate ieds im not playing

[long dock]

Insurgency has Nokia phones for the ieds lol

[pallid coral]

With that funny ringtone

[vague barn]

For real though, I do wish there was some more value to transport vehicles. Say something like carrying a "pool" of ammunition to resupply from, or maybe a finite medical healing capability.

[long dock]

If only

https://youtube.com/shorts/-uAZdIJIl8o

[vague barn]

Just something to make them less disposable and more valuable.

[nimble bridge]

Ammo on ATVs would be nice, I would've used it as a sniper

[tropic jewel]

Is BF2026 Battlefield 6 or 7? BF2142 wasn't BF3

[long dock]

6

[nimble bridge]

Technically 15

[long dock]

Well it'll be whatever dice wants it to be

[nimble bridge]

BF 2072

[long dock]

But if it's a regular numbered entry then 6

[tropic jewel]

Call of Duty 22

it'll probably be BATTLEFIELD in all caps

[vague barn]

ATVs I don't care that much about since they're mostly about mobility and not specifically transport vehicles like HMMWVs or UAZ's.

[pallid coral]

2025 is a bad generation to think of less-casual elements in a game that has a growing population of genz's and younger generation

[tropic jewel]

and everyone will just end up calling it Battlefield 6 or Battlefield (2026) anyways

[long dock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/nq1yxg/since_battlefield_2021_is_just_battlefield_the/?rdt=52054

Field

[tepid plinth]

Don't worry, i'm aware enough to know that it is a spectrum and not a 'add this feature and it's now a milsim type thing'. But in truth I like bf for the impact an individual player can have. Being the one person who sends out smokes and seeing your team rush in response, keeping people alive with ammo and health, I like the tangibility of it all. my actions help. I honestly wouldn't really like it as much if individual actions were so diminished. If after one kill i'm out of ammo, it would kill the feeling I have that i'm helping

[vague barn]

I feel like this is sort of a self-feeding formula. I've crossed paths with several "milsim-lite" people born in the early 2000s who end up playing Squad or Arma because Battlefield is too casual and, as you say, braindead.

The more braindead the game is, the more braindead the audience.

[long dock]

Rainbow six siege is not braindead

But the players still are

Lol

[vague barn]

If they would just make some small changes, like persistent mags, I feel like the game would still be pretty successful.

[long dock]

And I include myself in that (back when I did play anyway)

[pallid coral]

If after one kill i'm out of ammo, it would kill the feeling I have that i'm helping
Yeah but my point here was that ammo shouldn't be abundant. You can still go out there, kill many people and have enough, but at some point you have to retreat, ask for help (must have systems in place for that too) and be able to help (again must have systems in place for that too)

[long dock]

CoD MW22 removed reload cancelling for stages reloads like battlefield has and removed slide cancelling

And the players went berserk

[pallid coral]

I do know that many times, BF players don't play their roles. THe amoutn of times I spam a guy for an ammo pack lmao when he's just doing some random shit

[long dock]

It still was the best selling game of the year

[feral garden]

Well yeah, cos COD has historically been a run and gun game without those mechanics.

[tepid plinth]

mostly that's already how it works. it's only really been 2042 where I feel that isn't seen as much due to the lack of weapon restrictions and multiple mags to switch between

[long dock]

My point was even small changes to mechanics to make them less casual can alienate people

[pallid coral]

Right, but if you think from DICE's perspective, would you rather make a game that is catered towards a minority of people or for an audience that is ever growing (new generation)? Ofc, they did that with 2042 and it failed horribly, because they forgot their audience as a whole, but who even is the audience of BF games? I really dunno

[lofty steppe]

Ayo ppl has bf labs selection started ? I'm new so i don't know.

[long dock]

Battlefield definitely has an audience just gotta make a good/fun bf game

[feral garden]

Even in 2042, if you don't claim ammo from downed teammates or opponents, it's easy to run out of a single ammo types ammo.

I feel like with Battlefield being a fast respawn based game, the whole limited mags thing wouldn't work well with it tho.

[lofty steppe]

I know they started to receive applications and informing us about it but i don't know whether the process of selection has ended and the selected ones are playing rn or not.

[pallid coral]

Cuz if the BF playerbase/audience isn't ready to learn a new mechanic or will always cry when small things are added that "hinder" their comfort zone, that is not an audience that is ready for a new BF, it's better to just remaster BF4 at that point 😂 (jk ofc)

If you have A LOT* of players crying cuz sliding is removed, idk what to say

[long dock]

Is 2042s slide more like 1 or V? I think 1s slide was good. V was overtuned.

[covert nest]

Bf5's slide was... different on a fundamental level.

[long dock]

You could slide up staircases in V haha

[tepid plinth]

was certainly built

[covert nest]

No increase or decrease in speed.

[feral garden]

V had lots of different slides. 2042s is mostly fine tbh.