battlefield-labs-discussion

[signal vigil]

But look at the multiplayer trailers for bf3 and 4, this new one has the same vibes, same chaos. I see your point about appreciating subtlety, but it’s literally 14 seconds of an intro to the new game, of course they wanna cram some craziness in there

I just feel like you’re nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking bro

[plain bluff]

my brother in christ, they dedicated almost an entire reveal in 2042 to "battlefield" moments in order to pander to veterans and try to wow the younger audience. the result was a bombastic, hilariously hollywood esque presentation that featured zero gameplay just to build hype. where did this get them?
"bf moment" monetization? stuff that should happen naturally shown to be happening as frequently as possible? they've overplayed the hand and made a mockery of an organic curiosity.

[versed token]

🛌

[plain bluff]

yes i am mad about it. i sincerely hope you people dont believe the 2042 reveal was anything but a desparate move.

[signal vigil]

It got us in the first half ngl

I see your point

But

https://tenor.com/view/chill-daddy-take-it-easy-calm-down-gif-13696124

[heady thorn]

[feral garden]

BF3 and 4 trailers have exactly the same tone and appearance as the Labs gameplay snippet. So it really doesnt matter to me

https://youtu.be/QZCK-laVVvI?si=R3xKGdG5Efm3dVhR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVlnPYsmwCk

[versed token]

It's similar in style to even bf1 and 5 trailer wise

[signal vigil]

This is what I’m sayin

[plain bluff]

bro, naval strike for bf4 was topical and hype. where'd the talent go?

[feral garden]

Did you get out of the wrong side of bed this morning 😄

[signal vigil]

What 😭

Like it was pure gameplay they showed too

Something tells me you’re not gonna like the new game

[plain bluff]

bsod, where are you seeing the busyness i was mentioning? none of those shots feel busy, hectic, yes.

[feral garden]

the last 45 seconds of the second assault trailer is extremely busy, with the exception of one joke/meme clip in the elevator

[plain bluff]

i refer to busyness as a form of having a hard time to follow whats going on, or having too many points of interest

the escalator descent had one too many soldiers. some shots were too fast to transition via explosions

but busyness? hardly

[feral garden]

Youre just being overly picky

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[signal vigil]

It would of been better if there was 1 or 2 soldiers in the elevator 🗣️

[feral garden]

Its a 10 second clip at the end of a 4 minute descriptive video, not a trailer

[gritty hearth]

Good afternoon, people.

[signal vigil]

Morning helldiver 🫡

[plain bluff]

i mourn your inability to judge the finer print

[signal vigil]

Dude we’re talking about a video game

[feral garden]

Being a game designer, and QA team leader in the past. I have plenty of ability to judge. You are being overly nit-picky of a 10 second teaser clip.

[versed token]

We should all just agree to what hes saying to make him happy

[plain bluff]

i pointed out a single shot near the bus being busy and you call me picky. we shall see whether they continue doing such shots.

[signal vigil]

Yes

That is picky

[feral garden]

Calling anything out at all, is being picky. Yes

[signal vigil]

Like extremely picky

[feral garden]

Considering you have been going on about this for over an hour now

[plain bluff]

someone has to

[feral garden]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-protagonist-jack-donaghy-30rock-alec-baldwin-i-am-the-main-lead-gif-21568049

[zealous brook]

game what we all want but we will not get

[spice bramble]

Imma join in to say Striker is picky

that is all

[plain bluff]

hardly. i have numerous cinematics i did for various games, mainly because of self-interest. being picky is how i ended up in product certification

[feral garden]

Share em?

[plain bluff]

i wont

[feral garden]

OK, then I dont believe you

[plain bluff]

categorically, i wont

youre free to believe that

understandable, even

[covert nest]

Then what are you doing wasting our time?

[signal vigil]

Man

[covert nest]

Surely you're trolling.

[feral garden]

You can see my attention to detail in the YT channel linked in my bio, if you wish. As "Proof" of my ability to judge

Making that statement but then refusing to prove it is funny AF tho

[plain bluff]

you arent entitled to the presentation of my hobby

[signal vigil]

[feral garden]

then dont present it as proof of capability

lmao

[signal vigil]

Okay

Best battlefield trailer?

Go

[feral garden]

BF1 reveal

[signal vigil]

Real

Was it too busy?

[feral garden]

lol oh no

another one 😛

[signal vigil]

[spice bramble]

ww1 had 5 v5 battles

dont ya know

[feral garden]

Reminds me of this music videos intro

https://youtu.be/r-v9Aeb7Pr0?si=Cp_ENl7S8tNQQGNS

[plain bluff]

i really cant pick. 2142 is really high up there

but bf1 reveal i exclude because... it didnt have the battlefield theme

homegrown soundtracks have been mostly dead since bf4. and its a shame

*for trailers

[feral garden]

Yeah, then when they do use it, they make them too busy 😛

[signal vigil]

Busy as a blow fly at a bbq

[plain bluff]

i wanted to be busy but instead i dug myself into a hole

worth it. stay busy bros

[signal vigil]

You know

[plain bluff]

i dont

[signal vigil]

It’s good that the only thing you’re complaining about is how “too much” the trailer was, shows that it nailed the bf vibes, the trailer hit the sweet spot for me and many bf vets and you can’t deny the majority is really excited for it

[feral garden]

Look, im mostly meming on it now tho. Youre entitled to your opinion at the end of the day 🤝

[plain bluff]

of course we are. you too. i go around and judge things since its my literal job to do so.

[plain bluff]

i can hardly believe their hype lies anywhere else but the fact theyre returning to classes and removing operators.

right now that teaser is just eye candy out of reach

they'd be right though.

[signal vigil]

It’s the grit, aesthetic, setting, graphics, destruction, over all presentation

It looks more authentically battlefield than ever

That makes me happy

[feral garden]

It looks like remastered BF3, with different player models

[signal vigil]

Gameplay, well we’ll find out

[feral garden]

So ill wait to see more to judge it

[plain bluff]

just to clarify, im not juding the grit, aesthetic, setting, graphics, or the destruction. im beyond that because i like it. my critique was done in good faith, because if you want people to see what they need to, adding stuff off in the periphery doesnt serve much purpose

[signal vigil]

Fair, but bf trailers are known to show an elevated presentation that what we would normally get just in a regular game of conquest. Like, it’s not like that all the time, but there are moments that are, and make the games special

[plain bluff]

might sound like im talking out of my ass, but your eyes move involuntarily to details in videos, or points of interest, eye-cathers, you see. if the point of the bus shot was to tease soldier model interactions with explosives, they needn't cram others into the scene

or maybe i was sitting too close to the monitor

[signal vigil]

IF the point was for that, I guess. I think they just wanted to show a lead up to blowing up a building with an rpg

[signal vigil]

Perchance lol

[plain bluff]

mayhaps not thoughbeit

[signal vigil]

I’ve rewatched it like a trillion times anyways so I get it, I am just glad it looks good

Like it doesn’t look BAD

(Pls dice get me in the playtest)

[plain bluff]

of course it doesnt. it looks good. (i) would prefer if the pace was just a tad slower. like, have the time to take all of that in

[signal vigil]

Then we would need a longer trailer

14 seconds of crazy was like a sweet lil treat

[plain bluff]

no? itd mostly be done by lengthening the shots by a second or two

[minor linden]

Eh, imo the time they gave was fine since it was just a teaser. We’ll most likely get a much better trailer when they decide to finally reveal the name

[versed token]

It's like Striker took a class recently and is now trying to critique everything

[signal vigil]

The shots would have probably had just as much if not even more mayhem, cuz that’s what they were going for i feel

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie if you can't properly understand the difference between a teaser and an actual trailer this early into development i fear how you perceive the context of game development.

[signal vigil]

I know the full reveal trailer gonna go HARD and also HAM

[covert nest]

I read Ham as ram and got lost.

[signal vigil]

It can ram too

[plain bluff]

i enjoy reading and watching numerous things. one of which are well done videos. thatd include compilations, real life documentaries, trailers, action movies, reveals. and not just "watching", id consider it analysis. because thats what i do in spare time, i like to learn to mimic things and learn the technique behind the "why" a shot was done the way it was.

[minor linden]

I kinda wish they would go back to the 3/4 trailer style for at least one trailer. 3/4’s trailers were really good when they showed a bit of the campaign

[signal vigil]

As a fellow ADHD diagnosee I also like doing that too

[plain bluff]

people hardly saw the 2042 reveal was a ruse and a rugpull later down the line yet they still bought into the hype. the leaked teaser honestly had a better vibe overall.

[signal vigil]

Speaking of music, really hoping they absolutely nail the bf theme for this one

Speaking of which

Best battlefield theme version

[plain bluff]

thankfully i wasnt diagnosed for anything, but if itd be anything, probably add.

[signal vigil]

Go

[versed token]

Crazy how it always circles back to "2042 bad"

[plain bluff]

because it is. it wasnt just a bad concept, it felt like a betrayal

[plain bluff]

i return often to the 2142 wake island theme.

[minor linden]

It felt like a massive rugpull for me because the entire trailer showed normal soldiers we never play outside of portal while the actual game has specialists

[minor linden]

4 > 3 > 1 > HL

[versed token]

Yet the trailer has specialists in it

[signal vigil]

Solid theme

[signal vigil]

Heck yeah

I like bf4 theme best too

[minor linden]

Hardline has surprisingly good music

[plain bluff]

hardline didnt deserve any of the hate

i played the game until its dying moments

[signal vigil]

I unfortunately missed out on that one, the cops and robbers theme had me feeling confused

[minor linden]

As leaders. There wasn’t any specialist clones like in the game. The majority of the people on screen were soldiers

[plain bluff]

right, it was misrepresentative

i was expecting soldier customization, not operator clones

[minor linden]

It’s basically 4 with a cops v crims theme, really good custom game modes, and a decent campaign

[feral garden]

I got you covered. 😛

[minor linden]

We really should’ve known though

I don’t think there was a second of gameplay footage

[fleet robin]

there absolutely were specialist clones

[plain bluff]

"haha"

[fleet robin]

they might've been well disguised but from the very first trailer could see copies of soldiers running around

they padded numbers with the bot models but specialists were present

[versed token]

Reveal trailer always had a focus on the new things

[plain bluff]

also that's A LOT slower. are you insulting me?

💢

[versed token]

the random soldiers are literally just background noice

[minor linden]

Maybe the actual soldier-looking ones. All of the unique looking ones are one-of-a-kind

[signal vigil]

[plain bluff]

its trying to sell that (the battlefield) has protagonists. it doesnt.

[fleet robin]

shield guy came up on screen twice, forget his name

[signal vigil]

Boris?

I think

[fleet robin]

he has a turret

[signal vigil]

O

Irish has a shield

[feral garden]

Dozer

[fleet robin]

that's him

[signal vigil]

There ya go

[minor linden]

Did he? I don’t remember two of him showing up at the same time

[fleet robin]

twice in different scenes i mean

[minor linden]

Might’ve missed it with how basic his design is

[fleet robin]

different head gear tbf

[minor linden]

Ah yeah. That makes sense

[fleet robin]

i don't think he was the only one but i'm too lazy to look at every soldier in the trailer

[signal vigil]

Would be cool to customize soldiers the way you can in destiny. Like keep it military ofc, I’d love to be able to change helmets and gloves and boots n such

[plain bluff]

bfv had the best customization by far

[signal vigil]

Tru, it was neat

[plain bluff]

ignoring hero stuff

[minor linden]

Why stop at destiny? Something like ghost recon or insurgency would be amazing

[signal vigil]

Ohhh duuude I forgot about insurgency

That one is a great example

[plain bluff]

i wouldnt mind insurgency at all

[signal vigil]

Actually exactly like insurgency would slap

Customization wise

[minor linden]

It’s a good showcase that you can monetize realistic skins

[vague barn]

Having literally just closed down Ghost Recon: Breakpoint, I can wholeheartedly suggest that system.

[signal vigil]

Yeah I don’t want Niki Minaj in my bf6

[plain bluff]

i would buy a seal team 6 outfit and constantly spam the 300 kills copypasta

[signal vigil]

Would be cool to go full MARSOC and have a button down plaid

With sunglasses 😎

[minor linden]

If they actually have a seal team 6 outfit, it should be locked behind 300 kills with every gun they use irl lol

[signal vigil]

Honestly, I loved that type of way of unlocking things back then. Just play to win the goodies is what I’m about

[vague barn]

Ngl I hope the NATO faction is a thing and not just a false rumor and cosmetics allow us to customize the character to be similar to country X. It'd introduce a bit of variety in uniforms, but still remain grounded in reality, and you'd see a lot of different countries I bet.

[plain bluff]

impossible to unlock since all weapons they use arent in the game

its a joke

laugh

[signal vigil]

Would be cool if they had the Colombian military outfits (I’m biased and Colombian)

[minor linden]

[minor linden]

Yeah. Could be cool

[signal vigil]

They’re badass

anyways

[plain bluff]

bf2mc hotswapping should be a thing in the campaign but they wont do that

[vague barn]

There'd obviously be an overrepresentation of US and maybe UK style units, because those are most known and notorious, but I would kill for the opportunity to roll with a Nordic Combat Uniform in Swedish M90 pattern.

[signal vigil]

Would be dope

[plain bluff]

most of these guys wont know what youre talking about man

[signal vigil]

I do

Sorta

[minor linden]

Iirc isn’t that like a more controllable version of enlisted’s system?

[plain bluff]

ive played wt for over 12 years and havent touched enlisted once. it has hotswapping?

[signal vigil]

I’m doing a lot of Google image searching on the side

[minor linden]

Yeah. It’s one of the core points of the game. You spawn in as a whole squad and can switch between any of your squad members

[plain bluff]

ach so

[signal vigil]

That or a co-op campaign would be amazing

Imo

[plain bluff]

in bf2mc hotswapping wasnt just for constant action. you had to use it to progress the missions

[signal vigil]

I loved the bf3 co-op missions

[vague barn]

Being a co-op nerd to 1000% I would prefer there to be co-op missions/campaigns.

[plain bluff]

bf3 coop speedrunning was fun with buddies

[signal vigil]

Hell to the yeah bois

[minor linden]

I just want them to bring back the rat

[vague barn]

The one you knife in the BF3 campaign?

[minor linden]

Should be the only QuickTime event in the entire campaign

[minor linden]

Yea

[signal vigil]

Holy iceberg

Rip lil rat

[vague barn]

Ghost rat.

[signal vigil]

I probably knifed it like 8 times

Speaking of animals

Bring back dinosaurs in battlefield 🗣️

I love me a lil T rex moment

Anyways

Gotta start my day

Nice talking to you guys

[vague barn]

Good luck, don't slip.

[vague barn]

What are people's opinions on having similar weapon systems in different categories? E.g. SCAR-H assault rifle and SCAR-H SV marksman rifle from BF4.

[plain bluff]

its good and such weapons can be separated comfortably

[feral garden]

Better that type of thing, than allowing both via a plus system.

[vague barn]

Agreed to 100%.

[versed token]

They shoot the same round so i don't like that idea

[fleet robin]

i'm more a fan of being able to convert a weapon through attachments if the two variants are that close to one another

obviously not with a plus system

[versed token]

[vague barn]

I would ideally see that type of thing as well, but I think that'd be too complex to balance well and also cause issues of "who has what weapon category" type thing.

[feral garden]

Bf1 basically did this instead of having tonnes of different weapon customization

[versed token]

Is it really more complex than what the + system already is?

balance wise

[feral garden]

I don't like the current plus system. Balance wise.

[plain bluff]

Weren't BF1 weapons a special case though? the stats varied so significantly in concept that various variants were guaranteed

[vague barn]

I understand where you're coming from, but think of it this way (in the case of the SCAR-H v. SCAR-H SV for BF4): The SCAR-H uses a different projectile type than SCAR-H SV. SCAR-H for instance, I always imagined, as using M80A1 EPR (a standard ball round), while the SCAR-H SV used M118LR (a specialised long-range round). I suspect people think that a caliber is a universal constant in terms of damage, whereas it comes down largely to a lot of other factors than caliber.

Edit: I realise practically no one else thinks about it this way, but I, as a major military nerd, do this to rationalise it.

[feral garden]

It's also boring, but I think we have discussed this many times.

[vague barn]

Not really, but 2042 allows all weapon categories for all classes, something I don't agree with should be the case for the next game.

[versed token]

Does is it even say it shoots a different round anywhere?

[vague barn]

AFAIK, no, it doesn't even specify a round, it just specifies the caliber of the ammunition used.

[versed token]

Bummer

[feral garden]

You can pretty much answer the plus system question, by asking yourself...

Do you want a vehicle plus system in the next game. The ability to swap tank shells, sights, performance packages on the fly?

It's my belief that the plus system was good, but only inside the scope of what 2042 was. If someone asked me did I want it pre 2042 release. Knowing all I know now, I would have said no.

[versed token]

It would've been okay if we didn't have guns that can drastically change their performance on the fly

[fleet robin]

casually swap barrel and caliber on the fly

[vague barn]

I really wish they would have done a april fools event where you had to actually perform the animation of what would be required for doing that.

[plain bluff]

is it really april fools if it works as intended

[vague barn]

Ah crap, I fatfingered.

[steel torrent]

I legitimately hated this system

and is one of those things I hope do not return

[vague barn]

I do have a really, really, drastically bad and complicated idea for the "similar weapons in different categories" thing: The player is given a platform rather than a full weapon, and from there can kitbash together their own weapon system or select from a series of premade "blueprints".

Say for instance you get an AR-15 platform, options are:

1. Select a blueprint for a basic M16A4 configuration.

• Burst/Semi-Auto fire control group.
• Carry handle rear sight and traditional triangular front sight block.
• Normal M16A4 stock.
• 20 inch barrel.
• KAC RAS I handguard.

2. Manually kitbash a custom configuration.

• Full/Semi-Automatic fire control group.
• Magpul MBUS reserve rear iron sight and front sight.
• Magpul CTR stock.
• 10.5 inch barrel.
• KAC RAS II handguard.

Option one would be the basic M16A4 assault rifle (duh), and option 2 (the kitbashed config) would be more similar to a Mk 18 Mod 1 carbine.

You would have unlocked two weapon categories based on the same platform; assault rifle and carbine.

But, I imagine it'd be extremely difficult to make up consistent borders between what makes it an assault rifle, what makes it a carbine, what makes it a designated marksman rifle, what makes it a personal defence weapon, etc etc etc.

Naturally you wouldn't start with just a receiver, you'd start with a "base weapon", say an M4 carbine, and then "re-blueprint" it into one of the above.

[mossy marten]

Nah, just make an M4 carbine and a M16 Assault rifle 🤣
Don't bring blueprints and excessive customizability to the game plz

cosmetic attachments tho..... those would be nice ngl

[vague barn]

Yeah, I'm leaning more towards that, I literally prefaced the previous idea with "[...] drastically bad and complicated idea [...]".

I do like the "excessive customizability" idea quite a lot though because it'd allow the player to make the weapon look like whatever weapon (within limits) they want, without requiring a whole new weapon for every single variant. For instance, I know way too many people who want to make clone rifles in games, to include stuff like L119A2 variants of the Colt C8 which in turn is a variant of the Colt Model 725 (basically an M4).

BUT I would make it completely optional and not affect weapon performance, at all. Basically just switching out the 3D model of various components.

Idk, I just like modularity.

[plain bluff]

the only way I'd introduce modular guns is to be given a base weapon platform, and then mod it to suit the class weapon category

[clear viper]

True!

[nimble bridge]

Trailers ain't movies trailers needs to be bombastic and eye catchy. BF trailers are great because they've been doing this for years.

[clear viper]

DICE is amazing at making trailers if nothing else. They've only really had one or two slip-ups.

[mossy marten]

"what a time to be alive"

[clear viper]

LOL

The tom brady poster still kills me ngl

[mossy marten]

that whole trailer was cursed

2042 reveal trailer, banger
that one, they need to put it 6 feet under

[nimble bridge]

https://youtu.be/TQYhuKvynKI

2042 had some of the best trailers

[mossy marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCSONJw72sE&pp=ygUXd2hhdCBhIHRpbWUgdG8gYmUgYWxpdmU%3D
this exists....

[mossy marten]

[spice bramble]

2042 trailers wasn't aaaactually that great when you look at it more in detail

Almost every scene has a bunch of people standing in the middle of the open, 2 meters away from each other with assault rifles

It has wow moments but none of it makes sense xd

[feral garden]

So pretty accutate to the game itself 😛

[fleet robin]

tbh some were very accurate

30 people rammed into one shipping container getting mowed down by a machine gun

[vague barn]

I had never seen this before.

I wish things would have stayed that way.

[spice bramble]

I feel violated

[mossy marten]

[heady thorn]

idk why xbox decided to do this

[nimble bridge]

Will next BF trailer also be on an Xbox showcase? It would be weird ngl. CoD was in PS shows before MS bought them and BF was in Xbox shows. There is a chance Sony might try to get marketing deals for BF now.

[plain bluff]

better have some gameplay in that case. no more cinematic showcases

[mossy marten]

Was also on playstation yt channel as well..

[stray veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/rdr-gif-5957365165274303804

[vivid bone]

Man i hope they don't trow in BR or Hazard Zone again.

I'm trying to achieve the clean exit trophy and i got snipped acrossed the maps multiple times wtf

[grim siren]

My only wish for the next installment is to be optimized

Bf42 was so bad I had to play it on console

[midnight umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-in-box-box-cartoon-cartoon-box-guy-in-cartoon-box-gif-16464828616157266904

[vague barn]

I really hope they add preset loadouts for the next game, similar to Hardline and BF4's Battlelog loadout presets.

[tough zinc]

the first reveal trailer showed the bat lady flying off a mountain with countless skinless soldiers

[nimble bridge]

Just like Damavand Peak

[feral garden]

The very first thing we saw was flares failing to work on a condor. We should have known 😛

[spice bramble]

I'd like to see a Condor again...

[tough zinc]

and it was good until the bat lady came in

so for like 15 seconds

[feral garden]

A condor (Osprey) with massive propellers like they have IRL would be cool. I do think they are too difficult to learn to use for your average player.

So many players still dont know how to use its different flight modes

[vague barn]

There is the V-280 Valor tilt-rotor helicopter, that was/is slated to replace the UH-60 Blackhawk in US service.

[versed token]

Game should just blare in your ears that it has two flight modes

and then also flash the button across your entire screen

[pallid coral]

They can always over simplify flying mechanics

[feral garden]

Is it...the actual condor?

[vague barn]

Oh, no. But it is a similar concept to the Osprey.

[feral garden]

Its funny that this thing is actually called the condor 😄

[spice bramble]

Anything but Venoms and Hueys at this point

Boring aircraft, to me at least

Not that I know much about them but who caaares

[feral garden]

Id love if they brought back towing via air vehicles haha. Even just for the memes.

[spice bramble]

Tanks on towers all over again

[versed token]

Tanks on towers being useless

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/life-jurassic-park-find-way-gif-5717042

[spice bramble]

Let's pray in unison that the playtests are going to start sometime in the next 2 weeks

[vague barn]

Both of them have been around since roughly the Vietnam War. The UH-1Y Venom and the AH-1Z Viper (which I assume is the attack helicopter you are referencing) are just upgrades of the Huey and Cobra respectively.

Ridiculously old airframes that should be allowed to die.

[versed token]

They're not allowed to start before i get my GPU back

[ionic marsh]

I’m hoping that they do not implement the operator system again, just standard grunt classes please dice

[feral garden]

Class system is confirmed already

[spice bramble]

Didn't mean Vipers but I'd prefer Apaches this time 'round

[ionic marsh]

Oh thank you god thank you I can actually summon a crumb of hype now

[feral garden]

Source: https://www.ign.com/articles/exclusive-first-battlefield-concept-art-revealed-vince-zampella

"Specialists are also out this time around. I wasn't there for 2042. I don't know what the rationale was, but for me, it's like the team tried something new. You have to applaud that effort. Not everybody liked it, but you got to try things. It didn't work. It didn't fit. Specialist will not be coming back. So classes are kind of at the core of Battlefield, and we're going back to that"

[spice bramble]

Essay incoming

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-maracas-shake-mexican-joe-manganiello-gif-8136857277085094799

[vague barn]

Just generally I would prefer seeing a faction other than the US Marine Corps. You can only "OORAH" and "SEMPER FI DO OR DIE" so many times before you get tired of it. If I had to limit myself to US forces I would prefer to see the US Army and Air Force instead of US Marine Corps and Navy. Or hell, just throw us a bone and do SOCOM/JSOC to give some variety even if only limited to US forces.

Ideally however, and I have said this a thousand times; I would prefer for a variety of the NATO member countries to be represented. UK Royal Marines Commando, USASOC, German Air Force, French Navy, just to mention a few.

[fleet robin]

this quote is so sad

feel like every battlefield player could've told them that before they did it

[spice bramble]

I want to see Luxembourg army, would be totally cool

[vague barn]

April fools event

[fleet robin]

"you have to try things" (to try and milk your players even more)

[feral garden]

If BF players wanted COD or Fortnite levels of cheese...they would play COD or fortnite. Basically

[spice bramble]

It's true that you should try new stuff

Just not stuff that changes fundamentals eh

[vague barn]

Try new things, by all means, but don't fixate on them to the extent you are unable to reverse them.

[spice bramble]

bark

[vague barn]

meow

[spice bramble]

rawr

[vague barn]

no

[spice bramble]

si

rawr

I feel like a pigeon that's waiting for people to throw him bread crumbs at a train station

but they don't throw them

[pallid coral]

Looking back at this I totally get why EA even tried to do this. They probably saw how most of the popular games out there were focusing on heroes to make it more interesting and give each person a back story and make money out of it etc. They completely forgot about BF as a core and just went for "Hey we can test this on our game even tho we completely forgot we got a diehard fanbase who don't want this at all" LOL

I understand "trying something new" but not even asking your playerbase through a survey before greenlighting it is crazy to me. They just stopped caring or what 😂 there must be one person at EA who was like "maybe this isn't what the players want, we should ask them first"

[feral garden]

"Hire the candy crush guy to deliver this. Players love candy crush, right?" - EA Suit

(No offence to mr. candy crush guy, its just too memable)

[spice bramble]

I can't find the Candry crush guy

I tried multiple times now

Just can't find him

[covert nest]

What's the audience. 50 year olds?

[half halo]

The problem with EA, is that by trying to get a piece of other game's cake, they fail to make their own good cake

[spice bramble]

At this point yes

[covert nest]

It's high level corpos being disconnected LMAO

It's so annoying.

[half halo]

You know, they try to compete with other games on their fields, so of course nobody will Play the half arsed version of a better game.

[covert nest]

The same entitled annoying people saying "1942 was my first game!"

[half halo]

Let's say I'm an overwatch player. I would be in disbelief if the devs would make a Battlefield like game mode "just because it's popular" and that version of Battlefield would suck and fail

[vague barn]

What sort of confuses me is how they still push for these, excuse my language, idiotic choices when it's so obvious that player discontent and dissatisfaction will drive their stock into the ground. It's like... You want to make money, right? Then let the players be happy to spend money on it.

Maybe I am naive or ignorant but it just seems so incredibly stupid.

[pallid coral]

LOLL

[spice bramble]

No language to excuse, and no, you're not ignorant

The shareholders are a bunch of old men that used to invest into coal mines

Hopefully no timeout here, mods...

[mossy marten]

hammer time

[vague barn]

Yeah, but you'd think they would have picked up some reasonable level of understanding of how the gaming market works, before investing in it.

[vague barn]

HALT! HAMMERZEIT!

[spice bramble]

Nowadays, MOST rich people are just pure idiots

Not all of course

[feral garden]

Just google "battlefield candy crush"...then set search date to the year 2042 released.

[vague barn]

Battlefield themed Candy Crush? 👀

Maybe I shouldn't be throwing that kind of idea around though...

[plain bluff]

its not just shareholders. CEO's, boards of directors, generally people who shouldnt have positions they should and people who stick their noses where they dont belong.

[spice bramble]

He's helping out Ubisoft now. Good for them ;)

[spice bramble]

The whole package

Probably just a bunch of bootlicking, nepotism and god knows what else

[plain bluff]

nothing wrong with wanting more revenue. nothing wrong with trying to make products that sell well. but you cant predict the market. hopefully, there hardly is any other game akin to battlefield. it essentially created its own ecosphere. and for some fucking reason, theyre trying to add INVASIVE SPECIES into it

[vague barn]

While I am glad that he's no longer at EA, I would be much happier if he was out of the business entirely, since I happen to enjoy SOME Ubisoft games like Ghost Recon and am reasonably excited for the next alleged Ghost Recon game.

[plain bluff]

the disconnect is beyond comprehension.

gamers are truly the most oppressed peoples

[spice bramble]

Ghost Recon battle royale is all you're gonna get

[vague barn]

I will throw a pile of poo at the game directors' office window if that happens.

[spice bramble]

Being a fan of Ubisoft games means being in eternal torment

It's not too bright with Battlefield either but I think this one's gonna be great

[vague barn]

I'm cautiously optimistic, I was bitten hard by the rollercoaster that was Ready or Not's testing experience.

[feral garden]

Na. Its more liklely its a case of "We tried it your way...now you do it ours" after the failure that was BFV/BFV live service.

[spice bramble]

Both ways suck ass

[plain bluff]

world in conflict 2 never ever

[plain bluff]

always more holes to choose from

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie we'll need more maps than just 1 per season.

Or 1 every 12 16 weeks.

[plain bluff]

depends how many launch maps we get

[spice bramble]

20

:)

[plain bluff]

bf3 premium was ahead of the game

[vague barn]

Agreed, Waygyanba.

[spice bramble]

It did divide the playerbase

[feral garden]

*BF1 premium

[spice bramble]

Live service is a great concept that is hard to execute for most

[plain bluff]

okay fair point, bf1 post launch content was good

[feral garden]

You could play all maps and content as long as 1 person in your party had the DLCs.

[plain bluff]

the first dlc with frontlines was so much fun

[plain bluff]

people who had and didnt have money?

[spice bramble]

I couldn't run the game at a 50% resolution scale back then lol

[spice bramble]

yes

Spending 60 for da game and 60 for da premium isn't ideal

[plain bluff]

so people who had a job and those who had to beg for it

[spice bramble]

I guess

Or teens

[vague barn]

I think this is the way to do it, it doesn't shut out parts of the community but still encourages people to purchase the content themselves.

[plain bluff]

man, looking at games today, i wouldnt mind spending 120 euros for 3 years of entertainment

[spice bramble]

That would make them even less money

So never, ever, ever, ever, ever, and ever (just to emphasize) will it happen

[plain bluff]

but it did? in bf1

[spice bramble]

If all you need is 1 party member

To play premium content

[plain bluff]

how much sales they get for the new bf doesnt take post launch content into equation yet

[spice bramble]

Live service is just a better concept that they can't execute for shyt

[plain bluff]

first they need to prove theyre capable of making a title worthy of the franchise

man, ea cant into long term planning. look at their sportsball games

they want quick and easy returns, year in year out

[spice bramble]

Tell 'em that

[plain bluff]

and get hit in the face by wads of cash?

[spice bramble]

DLCs are reliable but the potential of a great live service game outshines it

FOR THEM

[sudden jay]

bad

[plain bluff]

Live service is awesome if properly planned for, even DLC cycles. one is just more engaged than the other

[spice bramble]

Greed preceeds logic and there's that

I just want my clown skins and I'm fine

[half halo]

Never understood why they never just made this:
-Premium (paid): Early Access (Let's say one month) to all new content
-F2P: Get all content for Free, but one month later than premium players.

This way, There is no debate about "splitting the playerbase" since after one month everybody would be on equal grounds

It can also be any arbitrary amount of time you wish

[spice bramble]

A lot of people would just wait it out

[half halo]

True, but most impatient people would still pay

[pallid coral]

people will always argue to hell when thye dont get somethiing

gamers are whiney kids

[half halo]

True

[tall urchin]

Problem with those models and why no modern publisher would advocate for them, is you have a contractual obligation to see through an amount of content. Live service means you can pull the plug whenever it makes lucrative sense.

[pallid coral]

i loved the paid dlc model but im tired of seeing dead maps because the company doesnt know what to do with it

and convincing a big company like EA is next to impossible soo

if they forget to make all previous dlc's free, then rip playerbase when the game is older

[mossy marten]

[fleet robin]

because for one month you'd still split the player base

but that is a cool idea

[half halo]

But no content would be dead

[alpine rock]

Live service sounds great in theory but rarely works in practice

Publishers have an incentive to charge the most money and in return drip feed as little content as possible

[half halo]

The amount of F2P players would prevent the servers from dying

[alpine rock]

BF3 and BF4s premium model was a better cycle than live service battlepass garbage

[half halo]

BF3 was just pure bliss

I also loved all the behind the scenes video they were doing

With interviews and all

Damn, I wish there was a BF3 concept art book 😭

[alpine rock]

The biggest advantage of the premium pass is that it forced DICE to have concrete timelines for the DLCs

And we got WAY better maps under that model, plus a bunch of great guns and new gadgets

[half halo]

Exactly

Special mention to my beloved BF1 DLC maps as well. (Even though I still believe it to be a travesty to have the French faction as DLC and the Russian DLC split in two)

[alpine rock]

BF3 aftermath and armored kill, BF4 dragon's teeth and final stand were total bangers

[half halo]

Not that much a fan of Dragon's teeth, but you're absolutely right

[alpine rock]

Like what was the most notable addition in any of the BF2042 seasons? A scoreboard?

[vague barn]

Redacted map, if you ask me.

[alpine rock]

The effort it took to make premium addons was much better for the series than the move to a content factory live service

Some of the best maps in the series were from BF3 and BF4 DLC packs

Pearl Market, Sharqi Peninsula, Propaganda, Ziba Tower, etc.

[spice bramble]

2042 didn't have much content because it was a sunken ship right from the start

Don't have an excuse for V

[half halo]

No Eastern Front or Dday remains mind boggling

One of the biggest fumble in the series

[vague barn]

Eastern Front would have been pretty cool. Could have made a load of maps in the surroundings of Stalingrad.

I've played a fair bit of Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad and the Pavlov's House and Grain Elevator maps in that were pretty fucking good, ngl.

[frozen yacht]

Yep, not even a single player campaign or any single player content for that matter. Even Rainbow Six Siege has single player content despite being so miniscule.

[clear viper]

2042 was made in 15 months which is honestly insane. It's laughable that they weren't given another year or two.

[sudden jay]

ok so dice go back to premium but iwth less conten? cus no DICE LA? that what u want i assome?

[spice bramble]

EA doing EA things

[tall urchin]

That statement has nothing to do with what I want and everything to do with why we will never see premium.

I loved premium, but it creates a set amount of schedules, content, etc that they have to commit to legally. Live service you can just cancel support for a game whenever. So if a game drops off before all content is complete and a publisher no longer wants the development team to invest more into the game that's draining resources, premium dictates they cannot withdraw.

[frozen yacht]

Speaking of which, am I the only one who misses the Medal of Honor series?

[still wren]

No

[vague barn]

No. You are not.

[clear viper]

No

[frozen yacht]

Good to know. That series is fantastic.

[clear viper]

I've put a lot of hours into Medal of Honor: Airborne

[sudden jay]

yet many many liveservice games go on for long time. DICE promised 4 seasons, we got 7 seasons + more stuff after, crazy??!!!
many think premium automatikaly give more content, they very wrong.

infac 2042 was loked in for 12 months

1 year pass

[tall urchin]

More seasons but considerably less content

[sudden jay]

only reason previus got that much content is cus DICE LA... this is known, a true objective fact

full studio

making content

[clear viper]

Live Service is better than DLC when done right and if the game is successful on launch. Otherwise it falls apart really quick because all the momentum dies

[vague barn]

You do realise DICE LA still exists and is part of the Battlefield Studios team, just under a different name?

[tall urchin]

Almost every EA owned studio outsources assist work contracts to other developers, and there's many support studios also owned by EA. That's nothing new.

[sudden jay]

and did not full time post-launch BF5 & 2042

u don have to believe me, look it up online... there even talks in those video game conference thing about taking over from ''DICE Sweden'' for BF4 & BF1

[sudden jay]

different this

DICE make main game, slight post launch, then go make new game. post-launch mainly done by DICE-LA

always like this

not anymore

[heady thorn]

Jon is not wrong tbh lol

[vague barn]

I remain unconvinced Ripple Effect making post-launch content full-time would have made for a better game.

In either case.

[feral garden]

This is how lots (Most) MP games work tho

[tall urchin]

It isn't that he's wrong, it's that games are always worked on collaboratively.

So it means literally nothing.

[heady thorn]

There is a difference between having some collaboration, and a full on studio working on a post-launch..

Big difference

[mossy marten]

[tall urchin]

Premium got more content because people who bought premium are protected by consumer law to receive the promised level of content. Live service avoids that problem of commitment and why live service is always utilized because it is better for investors not consumers.

[heady thorn]

And only achieved by having a full studio doing post-launch.

Which has not really been a thing for a long time now lol

[feral garden]

Core studio makes the games base, core and functionality, while other studios work on expansions. Like, once the core of your game is built, youre not gonna be able to move high level C++ devs over to making maps. Some will move over to live service, but lots of the senior devs will move on to R&D for future games

[heady thorn]

Ripple Effect (DICE LA) only worked on Flashpoint for 2042, at least publically known.

Otherwise, it was mainly DICE and some contract work (of some studios i forgot the names of, but can check via artstation). You can see who is credited on lot of things via artstation

EA Shanghai does lot of phenomenal work too

[sudden jay]

bros idc consumer / whatev. IT is just true, less people work now on post launch

[heady thorn]

[covert nest]

I wonder what input dice LA will have on the next game.

[heady thorn]

Yeah it'll be interesting to hear

[mossy marten]

there is no dice la

[feral garden]

They are making something else

[heady thorn]

Ripple Effect / DICE LA..

[mossy marten]

it's Ripple Effect, and they're working on third mode/portal

[fleet robin]

aren't ripple effect working on portal

[tall urchin]

People worked less on BF2042 post launch because it had an underwhelming launch and attempts to course correct did not see drastic improvement. No publisher is just going to burn money for no ROI.

Exactly why premium will not return and why live service is the norm

[sudden jay]

less on BF5, less on 2042. For many reason, but. No full studio

less on swbf2 too

all had issues too,

[feral garden]

Id say that the game beating its peak player count, and being #2 in sales by revenue on steam 2 years post launch was a moderately successful course correction.

[heady thorn]

That too

[feral garden]

Its a complete lie to state that their changes didnt make the game drastically different also

[half halo]

It was a really cool game. I hoped the BFV campaign would feel like it 😦

Also MOH2010 was really cool as well for the Assault mode with different types of objectives as your progress through the map

[heady thorn]

Miss Medal Of Honor 😦

[half halo]

I wish BF would do something like it

[sudden jay]

did u play vr medal honor?

it bad? good?

[feral garden]

Warfighter was fun, but just so little content drops

[tall urchin]

Two years of investment to generate some sales when the game is heavily discounted and ultimately still follows below projected numbers is still failure to a publisher.

[covert nest]

I liked the ammo counter from warfighter.

Feels very involved.

It's random i know but still.

[feral garden]

Your statement was not talking about success in the eyes of a publisher. You can move the goal posts all you want tho

[sudden jay]

wat

[feral garden]

It was also #2 in sales by revenue, not in sales made.

[vague barn]

I never was able to play any Medal of Honor game extensively in multiplayer but I did enjoy what little I played of Warfighter multiplayer. I can't recall much from it but I liked it.

[tall urchin]

The entire conversation was rooted on the discussion of premium vs live service and the reasoning as to why publishers use the live service model. Please read.

[sudden jay]

ea would not allow dice to continue develop 2042 if it were making no money i mean that is truth.. It prob not a lot, but i see people who buy bundles a lot and they wear

so clearle game is some money!

[mossy marten]

[sudden jay]

what is yor favourite pizza?

[timid needle]

supreme

[feral garden]

Pepperoni, or salami on top of 4 cheese.

[mossy marten]

ʲᵘˢᵗ ᵗᵒ ˢᵉᵉ ᶦᶠ ᴷᵉᵛᶦⁿ ˢᵃʸˢ ˢᵒᵐᵉᵗʰᶦⁿᵍ
Pineapple

[timid needle]

with olives of course, and def NY

[sudden jay]

what is 4 cheese

4 other cheeses?

4 layer?

[hallow escarp]

my first battlefield game was battlefield 5

[feral garden]

Or sweet BBQ pizza with ground mince, jalepenos, bacon and peppers

[timid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-pizza-pizza-cheese-pull-gif-16742228429964024925

[sudden jay]

i had pineapple pizza once and i think it was not bad, but maybe i would not try again cus it was weird

[mossy marten]

But Sausage, Pesto, Fresh Mozz, Hot Honey is my go to

[timid needle]

good go to

buffalo chicken is bomb

[vague barn]

Pizza with french fries on is pretty decent

[mossy marten]

[sudden jay]

i had pizza with chilis that were green one day

it was ok

[vague barn]

I mean it's not exceptionally good or anything, but it is alright.

[timid needle]

banana peppers sausage, pep and mushroom onion

thin crust

[feral garden]

Mozzarella, Gorgonzola, Parmesan and the 4th is usually Fontina or Goats cheese. all shredded and layed equally on the top

[tall urchin]

The only bad pizza is one I can't put in my mouth

[vague barn]

Damn, I really want pizza now.

Only 8 more days.

[sudden jay]

parmogino reggiano?

[fleet robin]

parmogino

[half halo]

American Pizza: Pepperoni with some extra pepperoni with another Bunch of pepperoni

Italian Pizza: Margherita

[spice bramble]

I like mushrooms on da pizza

[timid needle]

I like it da best

[covert nest]

Jalapenos on pizza be like yes

[sudden jay]

why is pizza name pie in america?

[half halo]

What?

[tall urchin]

Margherita with fresh basil and prosciutto

[half halo]

True

[sudden jay]

i watch video on youtube and the american person called pizza, pie and it confuse me

[timid needle]

call it slices here

[half halo]

That person is an idiot I guess, I've never seen anyone call Pizza as a "Pie" what the heck? 🤣

[fleet robin]

because chicago pizza is literally just pie

yet they call it pizza

well

pie

but class it as a pizza

[heady thorn]

I like a simple pizza.

Extra Ham & Extra Cheese with maybe some pepperonis 😎

[timid needle]

thats not pizza

[fleet robin]

i agree

[timid needle]

lol

[half halo]

Definitely with pepperonis*
Fixed it for you Torbis 😉

[sudden jay]

is this pizza with girth or very deep, idk the word? it look like lasagna

[heady thorn]

Not a lot tho!

[timid needle]

yeah deep dish

[heady thorn]

Just a couple

[half halo]

As long as There is at least one, you're good

[fleet robin]

deep dish

[heady thorn]

Gotta be more ham to pepperoni ratio

[fleet robin]

man i want pizza

[gaunt flume]

buffalo chicken pizza is a classic

[sudden jay]

i google and it has no topping? but it lot of cheese and when guy on picture is pulling it looks amazing

[sudden jay]

buffalo like the animal?

[timid needle]

just had some for lunch, well if you call digiorno pizza lol

[feral garden]

Most pizza is just good. 🤤

[tall urchin]

Yeah now I want a pizza with some capocollo, sausage, and genoa salami.

[half halo]

Post pizza clarity

[gaunt flume]

nah bruv, like buffalo sauce

[sudden jay]

i dont like microwaving pizza, but my mom showed me i can use the airfryer and omg

it works

[timid needle]

buffalo wing sauce and blue cheese instead of tomato and usually pieces of chicken and mozz cheese

[sudden jay]

what it taste like ?

[tall urchin]

Man I haven't had digiorno in ages since they don't sell it here anymore.

[timid needle]

chicken wings and pizza

[gaunt flume]

spicy 😄

[sudden jay]

how do you do this?

[tall urchin]

Buffalo sauce is just butter + Franks red hot sauce

[timid needle]

classically

[fleet robin]

it's basically a cheese pie with tomato sauce on top

[sudden jay]

I live in europe texas (poland), i apologise i dont know this

but i think its just hot sauce ?

[sudden jay]

it dont sound bad

but it not pizza

[tall urchin]

Yeah it's just a brand of shelf stable grocery store hot sauce.

[covert nest]

I'm glad total isn't here to curse us with his views on pizza.

(Don't murk me dude I DO have a deads man's switch)

[sudden jay]

i think pizza is very good, i wish i could have it every week

[timid needle]

buffalo chicken pizza, you start with your dough, stretched out thin into a round circle, lay down buffalo wing sauce mixed with bleu cheese spread across the dough, layer with shredded mozzarella and diced up chicken pieces or breaded chicken pieces however you like it, thenadd more buffalo sauce drizzle bake, preferably pizza oven (500-600F or on a pizza stone for 10-15 minutes

[sudden jay]

i am saving this thank you

[timid needle]

ill send you a video

https://youtu.be/Z_csedLDqZQ?feature=shared

[feral garden]

😁

[sudden jay]

i can trust this guy

[timid needle]

hahaha

or these two do it on a flat top which is pretty cool https://youtu.be/LG7eGUxGSBs?feature=shared

[timid needle]

🤣 😂 🤣

[tall urchin]

Round table discussion on pizza, pizza is round, pizza makes the world go round, the world is round, all these squares make a circle...

[sudden jay]

it i think because pizza everyone like

battlefield many love, and many hate but never agree on what battlefield good

as english word is

subjektive

[feral garden]

I guess cos with BF, you get what you get...and you cant just go buy another battlefield you do like haha

[tall urchin]

And now dice are wondering why they aren't making pizzas instead

[sudden jay]

yes that truth

i like battlefield so i buy them

[gaunt flume]

I believe Jon has the power to unite all BF fans

[sudden jay]

[timid needle]

who knows maybe they tried and it flopped.... bedum che( drum crash)

[sudden jay]

what battlefield has no pizza in it?

i think bf needs more pizza 🕶️

[gaunt flume]

it does you just need to look closely

[sudden jay]

i know cops game had burger

and couch

but not both at same time

[tall urchin]

There's no proof of that

[timid needle]

...joke...

with a floppy pizza pun lol

[tall urchin]

If you engage me with puns I will answer in kind, dad jokes are my language

[timid needle]

maybe that one missed its mark

why did the soldier bring a pencil into the battlefield?

[feral garden]

Tried to make a pizza joke...and got calz...owned

[timid needle]

to draw fire

[covert nest]

I wonder if they'll do weapons with unique weapon modes in bf6.

[timid needle]

as in?

[covert nest]

Not much you can do but you can still make them interesting.

[twin torrent]

I thought this was going to be some kind of John Wick joke XD

[covert nest]

Oh stuff like a dual mode an94.

[timid needle]

burst?

[feral garden]

Fires 2 bullets at the same time

[tall urchin]

I'd love a 5 round burst SMG ala Prowler from Apex

[feral garden]

Add the FAMAS...give it annoying accurate mag count

[timid needle]

i mean they will have that for sure , do they not now?

[heady thorn]

Depends on the FAMAS 😉

[covert nest]

More burst weapons like the m16a4 would be cool.

Oh by the way when I meant dual fire mode more akin to black ops 2.

First two rounds are hyper burst but it continues into automatic mode at a lessened rpm.

[heady thorn]

That is how the AN-94 works irl

😄

But not in BF 😦

[feral garden]

👈 👈 🤠

[mossy marten]

🍍

[timid needle]

right!, i thought they had it as two rounder

[heady thorn]

It cycles down to 600 right after ^^

[timid needle]

just give me my beretta A300 or 1301 mod 2 and were good baby

[slow apex]

They need to bring back airfields and aircraft carriers. Instead of spawning in the sky. It’s super lame. Use Dragon Valley 2015 as an example. The airfield is out of bounds. Restrict the player from leaving the plane or chopper unless they leave the area.

[covert nest]

Yeah it's crazy how different the technology is between cod and battlefield.

[feral garden]

Does anyone here play Destiny 2, and find it funny that they have an accessibility setting that lets you full auto fire any weapon with a single click.

[covert nest]

I don't mean it in a bad way either.

[mossy marten]

CoD has it too

[covert nest]

I'd be up for one that gives the gun a binary trigger.

[mossy marten]

but it's kinda garbage

[timid needle]

garbage plate? mmmmm

[mossy marten]

i see new yorker has entered chat

[timid needle]

you can look that one up 😆

local fav my dude

[covert nest]

One of my best mates is in new jersey and the first things she did in stardew Valley is pop the garbage cans.

[timid needle]

but are you two hots or cheeseburger?

[covert nest]

I know it's the best thing to do in that game but it's still funny.

[tall urchin]

GABBAGOOL

[covert nest]

I'm Australian for context.

[mossy marten]

Proscuitt
Moozarell

[timid needle]

gtfoh! 😂

[mossy marten]

[timid needle]

well hopefully they bring back the test arena, cause that made it easier to try things out

[slow apex]

Also why we still haven’t had a Battlefield game where M136 AT4 is a usable gadget for the Engineer class in multiplayer.

[covert nest]

We have?

[slow apex]

Oh yeah bad company 2

But that game is dead now. Need it in a modern Battlefield that is still playable. (I know fan servers exist for Bc2)

[covert nest]

Yeah i agree. Game is long dead.

Some variety would be nice.

I wouldn't even argue for portal cause that shit is dead.

[slow apex]

I have had like once a server with 15 players in Portal. Other times just having to fight against bots and it gets super boring quickly.

[timid needle]

drone strikes

[covert nest]

Oh yeah i could get Bradley and bmp mastery by farming bots through the official portal modes.

Cause they fill with bots.

[slow apex]

Bfbc2 rush defense against bots is super easy even on the hardest difficulty. They have never got through the first phase of Arica Harbor or Valparaiso

And what happened to that VSS rifle that is in the game files and can be used via FFA mode with some coding. They never released it in the game and damn I find that gun super s*xy

[covert nest]

The vintorez rifles have always been cool.

I've always been a fan of the AKM, 74 and 12 series rifles. More of the same but sometimes that's the best as they're really simple to interpret.

I heard RU is apparently looking going to 7.62x39 with new technologies that work on making it more manageable.

[slow apex]

Russian weapons are very cool in my opinion too. We have not seen the all time classic AK-47 in a Battlefield game since like… Battlefield 2 o_o

[half halo]

I agree

AK series are sexy

[vague barn]

I'm honestly not a fan of the AK pattern of rifles. They just look yucky to me.

Well, I guess I would make an exception for the RK 62.

[timid needle]

but they function well

i say bring on an SKS

[fleet robin]

i love russian guns

so much charm

[vague barn]

Idk man, I'm just not overly excited about their looks, nor the big open slot in the side of the receiver.

[slow apex]

https://youtu.be/yNUFNSd-mvI?si=Rddpfvvaf2PUlPw3
and they are holding this gun from us 😢

[clear viper]

I mean the BSV-M is basically the 2042-ized version of the VSS

So that's probably why

[slow apex]

Yeah one can make that argument but it’s not just the same without the wooden stock and that classic scope on top of it. I guess so too that they repurposed it as BSV-M. Bad Company 2 just lacks any Russian sniper weapons. I know I am a very small minority but I have played every Battlefield game with faction specific weapons and I just can’t do that in BC2 Portal 😢

[vague barn]

I'm quite excited for the new Swedish Ak rifles, though.

Not that they share any similarity to the AK other than the abbreviation.

[slow apex]

Yeah it doesn’t look that much like an AK weapon but looks cool. My country Finland uses RK-62. It looks a lot like an AK

[clear viper]

I would love to see more portal weaponry added

Adding the STG-44 would be cool af, though the game is already so full of ARs idk if they'd want to

But the stg does still see combat today so, no reason why it might not in 20 years

[vague barn]

The new Swedish Ak rifles are actually Finnish produced and acquired as part of a joint acquisition programme between Sweden and Finland. Sweden is going to replace the Ak 5C/D and Ak 4D rifles in active duty units with the Ak 24 and (likely designation) Ak 26 rifles. Finland is going to replace the Rk 62 and Rk 95 with the Sako M23 series of rifles, and have already started introducing the KIV and TKIV 7,62 into service.

I don't know too much about the Finnish programme progress but I am very aware of the current plans for the Swedish acquisition.

[vague barn]

I'm pretty sure there are still muskets that see combat, doesn't mean they should be introduced into a modern era video game if you ask me.

[slow apex]

Okay that’s very interesting to know. I didn’t know any of this. But I have heard that RK’s are going to be replaced.

[vague barn]

Yeah. I should have added, the Swedish Ak 24 and 26 are literally just Sako M23s as well.

[slow apex]

I mean if they would have some rebel, insurgent forces it could be cool that they use old weapons.

[clear viper]

Well yeah but STG ≠ ball and cap musket

[slow apex]

Oh yeah they look exactly the same :D

[cerulean rain]

Did they start sending out emails yet on who's in this playtest?

[vague barn]

Not as far as we know.

[slow apex]

Don’t know and would not tell if they did. Those emails are confidential

[clear viper]

Not as far as we're aware no

[cerulean rain]

Thank you for the feedback

Hopefully they do this right this time around

[tall urchin]

I got an email, except it was about a lot of money to claim at a bank that I don't hold an account in.

[cerulean rain]

🤣🤣🤣

[vague barn]

Correct, but there's very good reason you don't see either used particularly commonly. The StG 44 used a (with the exception of a few last-ditch rifles) proprietary 7.92x33mm Kurz cartridge that has not been put into widespread military service since 1945. Yes, some StG 44 rifles were found and no doubt put to use in Syria in 2016 (IIRC), but I suspect when the ammunition stocks they were found with was expended, the rifles were discarded.

[rustic arch]

Yes

[timid needle]

nah

[worldly turret]

i got an email from battle||.net||so it was pretty disappointing

[tall urchin]

It's battlenet I'd be disappointed too

[clear viper]

Some are currently being used in Ukraine

[vague barn]

They also use Maxims and Mosin Nagant rifles there. Same goes for Pvpj 1110s.

My point being that them being used shouldnt be the sole criteria for including a weapon.

T-55s for example also are used in Ukraine, I don't think that is sufficient reason to include them in-game.

[heady thorn]

If the devs want a mosin nagant in the game, then that is all the reason they need
(also would be cool ngl)

[vague barn]

Maybe I am a little of a killjoy, but I would rather we didn't have a mishmash of equipment from a 100-year period be included in game just because "it's still used irl" or "it would be cool".

[vague barn]

Yep, I'm not one to dictate what weapon systems are included in any game, I'm just saying that for me, it wouldn't fit the theme that the developers are aiming for (that theme, to my understanding, being the late GWOT/fiction near-peer 2010-2020s period).

I'd rather they put their focus on weapon systems that fit that theme.

For Portal, I don't really care because in that domain I'm not expecting any particular theme to be adhered to.

[heady thorn]

I want to have fun options ^^
Nothing wrong with that ofc. There is always place for it all, as long as there is variety.

[untold escarp]

So r ppl allowed to ask when they have the next playtest then?

[tepid plinth]

no. Discussions about playtests are not allowed, which in hindsight does make the existence of this channel pretty strange I will admit

[untold escarp]

Ya that y i ask lol

[alpine rock]

Give me a Block II SOPMOD and I'll be happy

[leaden kraken]

Agreed, I want a consistent aesthetic if nothing else. There's plenty of iconic modern weapons across BF to choose without reaching into Vietnam/WW2 era weapons. Personally, I'd love to see the NeoStead 2000 come back

[leaden kraken]

BFBC2 NS2000 with slugs was the best sniper in that game lol

[mossy marten]

I want the Beryl and MSBS Grot

[leaden kraken]

For assault rifles, I'd like to see the AEK-971, F2000, and the XM8

[half halo]

XM8 yesszzzzzs

[still wren]

I want a DshK

[leaden kraken]

Same

Or a Kord

[slow apex]

Lol the last time I played BFBC2 I played it with Neostad just to have a laugh and got banned in 5 servers xD

Just need to leave this here (hopium if someone from DICE reads this) everyone wants 1st person melee animations. Like seriously. Look at Battlefield 1 and all the different ways you can melee someone in that game depending on the melee weapon you’re using and the direction you’re striking them from. And heck even the position they’re in (prone or standing)

[leaden kraken]

Yes please

[leaden kraken]

I never got banned but got some unhappy messages lol

[slow apex]

BC2 admins on PC were the saltiest admins I ever came across in any game xd one admin was using a cheat where he flew the UAV and was able to parachute out of it. Also he enabled chopper for his team but when I was in attackers he disabled chopper from us :D called him out and he told me I am delusional and banned me.

[leaden kraken]

I hope heavy machine gun emplacements and vehicle mounted weapons shread light cover and thin walls, I want guns to feel and sound powerful. Report, muzzle flash, blood, dust, and sparks should be obvious depending on what surface is hit.

[leaden kraken]

Never played on PC, but that sounds about right for Battlefield server admins

[half halo]

💯💯💯

BF1 animations were amazing and I still can't understand who gave the Greenlight for these ridiculous and cringe 3rd person animations in 2042

[half halo]

Battlefield admins are one of the reasons I don't Play Much of BF4 anymore 😦

So many of time are little tyrants or super petty

[leaden kraken]

Probably trying to chase the trends in Halo/COD/Titanfall, sense those all use 3rd person assassinations

[half halo]

Oh I know, but damn, they made the animations so bad and janky, or straight up stupid. Especially that one where you make the enemy stand up just to put him down again

[leaden kraken]

Yeah, that was weird considering BF1 had different animations for front/side/back and every stance for knives, swords, clubs, etc

[slow apex]

Yeah DICE needs to realize that Battlefield is unique and doesn’t need to chase trends. Other games will chase them instead.

[nimble bridge]

I personally don't want premium unlike many other people, yeah more maps per ''season'' is nice but you won't be able to find matches for those maps in few years. All the 5 active servers in BF3 are base game maps and conquest.

[wide sun]

if you get an invite are you supposed to do anything else or just wait

[midnight umbra]

I think there will be instructions in the invitation

[covert nest]

If you get invited you should get an email with instructions and the likes.

[ionic salmon]

BATTLEFIELD 3 ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[midnight umbra]

ясно все свами

https://tenor.com/view/guy-in-box-box-cartoon-cartoon-box-guy-in-cartoon-box-gif-16464828616157266904

[mild girder]

Most likely you will get a key with informations when the playtest is about to start. But since you weren’t able to pick a platform when signing up, they may redirect u to a site which lets you select ur platform you want to play in and the get a key for it

[tepid plinth]

Worst part is just how long they take. Not at all worth doing in most cases

[wispy dagger]

Did we lose a labs channel

[vague barn]

No.

[wispy dagger]

I can’t seem to find the other one

[vague barn]

#battlefield-labs-news #1335997362258186292 #battlefield-labs-discussion

[wispy dagger]

Yeah I literally don’t see the channel anymore

Excommunicado

[spice bramble]

You have it hidden. Go to "Channels & Roles", it's below the server banner

[wispy dagger]

Yeah that worked. Weird though, I didn’t touch anything, it just disappeared

Thank you

[heady thorn]

[mossy marten]

[random rampart]

[pallid coral]

19 days since registration started ;_;

any time now

[fervent eagle]

Let's see if they follow BF3 marketing, next trailer was 23rd February 2011

[wispy dagger]

They’re not going to release a trailer on a Sunday

Maybe today maybe Monday

Maybe neither and we just wait longer

[feral garden]

For all we know...they have already started testing with a really small group. I doubt they are goign to do any form of announcement for playtests starting

[pallid coral]

i want to believe u 😂 im in this theory craftign hopium

[wispy dagger]

Probably the most likely scenario

[fervent eagle]

They tweeted about BF Labs on sunday tho

[potent trail]

Ayyy I got my registration email
Now to simply wait

[pallid coral]

leaving millions of players in the dark sounds like a shitty idea, they should at least announce that they've started. sure people will be angry they aren't selected, but imo there's no winning either ways

[fervent eagle]

They could do a teaser trailer sunday for a full trailer monday

[feral garden]

They sent out emails stating all the info potential testers need to know

[pallid coral]

i forget bigger companies operate in a different way

this is why i follow Embark, best company 🫡

[potent trail]

"no news is good news"
Also EA/Dice large enough that an absent of news wouldn't tank them, unlike indie devs that will tell you everything along the way

[pallid coral]

well its less about EA and more about us lol

i mean im away from home for a while anyways so idc, but still would be cool to hear something so im kept up with whats going on, but its probs gonna be months before we hear the first recap ig

[feral garden]

Its a closed testing program. Im not sure what people expected other than closed, non communicative testing to take place.

The FAQ states that info from tests that have already taken place will be publicly shared. But not much else outside of that

[fervent eagle]

DICE has always been like that, make a Big announcement then go radio silence for months

[potent trail]

and that's fine

[plain bluff]

r*?

[pallid coral]

bro im just talking about a simple announcement to the start of something, literally nothing more 😂

[feral garden]

No other EA playtests were announced publicly, you just kept an eye on your email, and the playtesting dash board (From personal experience)

[pallid coral]

you're thinking im talking about actual news

[pallid coral]

yeah but this one's the "biggest" they've done in their* history

like again, idc what happens either way

[feral garden]

I mean, it isnt haha

[pallid coral]

they said that 🤷

[potent trail]

I didn't even know CTE's were going on even when I was following BF4 and playing religiously lol

[feral garden]

EA FC playtests had 10s of thousands of players

[fervent eagle]

I still believe full reveal and real marketing will start as usual in may/June, I just hope they won't be stupid enough to think every testers will respect NDA because I'm sure 1 hour after test begin there will be gameplay of it on reddit

[feral garden]

This will likely scale past that, but its not true that they havent done large EA playtesting before

[pallid coral]

iirc they said that themselves but they were vague on tehir words like always anyways

[golden vortex]

I wonder how many simultaneous players the CTE servers had back when CTE was a thing

[pallid coral]

to think that only ~3 million people watched the premiere of bf3 is crazy to me

compared to 2042's 26 mil

[potent trail]

marketing is a powerful tool

[golden vortex]

Gaming has become way more mainstream, also proper internet

[pallid coral]

10x more hype yet 10x shittier game

[pallid coral]

too powerful ig 😅

[potent trail]

always has been 🔫

[pallid coral]

👨‍🚀

[feral garden]

Thinking of games like a race...Marketting just gets players to the starting line. Its good for getting people invloved, but a bad game will just have players drop off 😄

[half halo]

Whenever DICE Do something it's on Tuesday

[spice bramble]

Tests haven't started yet or the NDA containts a pipe bomb that will explode if you leak anything

We'd see something by now

[rapid fox]

They have most likely did not

[spice bramble]

Well, we'll surely hear something this month

[half halo]

If hypothetically tests aren't started yet, at what time of the Day Do you think they would be happening? Mid-day? Evenings? Weekends?

[spice bramble]

Why announce that somethings gonna happen in the "coming weeks" and not say anything for a month

[cloud reef]

They said upcoming weeks so probably in the next 2-4 weeks

[cloud reef]

Coming weeks could still mean more than a month though

[spice bramble]

Can't they just run the server for a whole day?

They'd have to consider time zones obviously

[spice bramble]

Could but it's not the ideal thing to say

[cloud reef]

Probably not profitable, if they are paying for severs and not making money

[cloud reef]

Your right on that

[half halo]

Well, if they want devs to monitor servers, specific things, analyze data in real Time, I believe it would be limited, but what do I know

I know for single player Games, usually from experience the playtests are Unlimited playtest between X day and Y Day

But for multiplayer ones, I don't know

[spice bramble]

It would be a bummer if I couldn't play due to time restraints

Assuming I would be invited

[half halo]

I agree

[vague barn]

I would guess that they'll have limited time windows for both NA and EU time zones. If you can't make the one you can hopefully make the other. While unlimited time windows would be good for gameplay, it might "spread" the population too thin across time.

Especially if the goal is to test the server strain or larger scale tests of game modes etc etc

[spice bramble]

It would be great if they ran the servers for 2-3 consecutive days at a time

In any case, I wouldn't want it to be, for example, 4-9PM on a Thursday or something like that

[pallid coral]

I wish more games tested that way (limited time windows)

[vague barn]

I guess it'd depend on what they want to test. Limited time windows are good for stress testing individual things, unlimited time are better for testing overall feel of the game.

[potent trail]

server stress testing as well for when they open the floodgates

[vague barn]

I would assume that given the limited admission goals being around the "few thousand" mark initially, they'll have limited time windows to test specific features or mechanics. Once it expands into the "tens of thousands" mark, I'd expect a unlimited time window for a set number of days.

[cold belfry]

I can see that

I’m assuming game isn’t gonna be out till next year

[spice bramble]

GTA VI couldn't have chosen a more annoying time to release

[pallid coral]

they said their target was late 2025 but they're still contemplating between 2025 and 2026 (probs because of gta6)

[vague barn]

I'm guessing it'll depend heavily on how GTA VI turns out.

[cold belfry]

Truth! EA knows if they release this game within the first few months of GTA 6 it will fail

[fleet robin]

99% certain they'll do an opposite release date to whatever GTA 6 is

[cold belfry]

Hopefully

[fleet robin]

Nobody wants to compete against GTA for players

[pallid coral]

especially a franchise on its thread of existence

[cold belfry]

GTA 6 is the most anticipated game of all time too

[vague barn]

Honestly, I am not convinced GTA VI will be the banger everyone is expecting, so I could see that game not turning out to be as big of a problem as some people think.

[cold belfry]

People are slowly dropping off though because Rockstar can’t make up their mind

[cold belfry]

Truth

[vague barn]

I'd still expect 2026 though, seems most logical to me if they want Battlefield Labs to have any serious impact.

[fleet robin]

i feel like it's impossible for it to fumble

people might be expecting too much but at this point i think whatever happens it'll be a massive success

[vague barn]

That's why I think it might turn out to be underwhelming.

[vague barn]

Well, a success in terms of revenue I have no doubt about, but in terms of actual enjoyment and lasting impact; I have my doubts.

[fleet robin]

oh yeah that's still up in the air

[vague barn]

Then again I am not exactly known among my acquaintances to be a particularly optimistic individual.

[spice bramble]

You like your exquisite grammar

I think GTA VI will be have AT LEAST the same impact as RDR2

Biggest game ever, they won't let it be underwhelming

[vague barn]

I have been told I have an archaic manner, but never exquisite grammar. So thank you(?)

[spice bramble]

You tend to talk like a nobleman

[vague barn]

🧐

[fleet robin]

nobleman

kcd2 reference

[vague barn]

I think I developed this manner of speaking from interacting with trolls who would lose their shit when they couldn't infuriate me. I found it more amusing to just speak to them calmly and watch them get increasingly frustrated.

[vague barn]

Furthermore, this is why I think it will be underwhelming. Because no one can imagine it being just that.

[spice bramble]

All I'm going to say is... Rockstar pushes boundaries, it doesn't really recede in quality

They haven't released that many recent games though

[vague barn]

I still should play through the full RDR2.

[fleet robin]

worth it

[vague barn]

I'm gonna go ahead and download it now and play it later tonight.

[spice bramble]

Don't speedrun the main missions, trust me

I tried to finish the missions as fast as possible and missed out on a lot of side content

[vague barn]

I usually take my time with completing games and sidetracks are usually quite fun to go off on.

[fleet robin]

tbh i'm concerned for people who play these types of games only to speed through the main quest

the world and side quests are half of the experience

prime example being kcd2, i've got about 50 hours and have only done like 6 main quests

[half halo]

I am the kind of player who does everything in Narrative based RPG and open world

Like 100% achievements, all Side quests, activities, collectible, multiple playthrough for multiple choices, etc.

[pallid coral]

scroll down the email and read the fine print

[fleet robin]

yeah, so is the part where it tells you not to share it

bf discord truly has the world's greatest minds

[pallid coral]

tbf why would u put the most important part of an email on the very bottom 💀

[fleet robin]

i suppose assuming people will read the entire email is a bit optimistic

[rancid apex]

[pallid coral]

i do find the bflabs sign up process a tad bit confusing from my experinece

• kept saying the BFLabs survey was "in progress" since the start (before starting, after finishing too)
• everytime i click on it, it would say my labs registration is finished and i can do this other survey to potentially help the chances of me getting in be higher (i did it already)
• now after nearly 3 weeks, the website works properly and i did the 2nd survey AGAIN and only NOW did the labs thing disappear from my available playtests, which makes me confused on whether it worked initially or only now

[half halo]

From the website:
There will not be a rigid cadence for test sessions, but the plan is to run sessions that are at appropriate times for different players in different regions, and build (to allow for repeated testing) every few weeks. Test sessions scheduled will be pre-defined and communicated directly to Battlefield Labs participants ahead of them taking place.

So I guess it answers my question from this morning

[spice bramble]

I only sped through it because it was my first open world game

And I treated it like binge watching a show, unfortunately

[fleet robin]

ah yeah fair enough

granted some games have awful side quests that are just run from A to B

but red dead? damn

[spice bramble]

I didn't know any better

I started a new game and started exploring all around

Got all the legendaries and such

[fleet robin]

at least you got to experience them

really makes the world more exciting imo

[weary mantle]

there's a lot of depth to the game that took me a minute to appreciate. It's not a game that want to be "beat". Reminds me of Westworld sometimes because it does things in the environment that make you question how aware it is, lol.

[naive vigil]

How long after being accepted into the Labs program before you recieve a test build?

[stray veldt]

we dont know yet

[mossy marten]

1. it's not guaranteed to get an invite email for Labs Testing
2. we don't know when they'll send invites
3. no idea when testing starts

[stray veldt]

everyone wont get it at once

[naive vigil]

I honestly wish instead of saying registration complete they either tell you you're in or you're out.

Like I underatand it on a certain level but it can be confusing.

[feral garden]

They wont ever tell you if you are out. Its not a "yes" or "no" system. Its a "yes" and "maybe in future" system

[naive vigil]

And that's a problem.

[feral garden]

Its how playtest signups work

[naive vigil]

I know.

[feral garden]

So how is that a problem, if they want to expand testers in future?

[warped lagoon]

did something happen?

[feral garden]

Literally nothing ha

[naive vigil]

Because you know people want to test the game before it's out (though I would be interested in testing future builds once it's out as well) and they know that but instead of letting people know whether they will have access to that and being transparent, they have to put a giant confusing lid on everything.

[feral garden]

The people they want to test, will be asked to test. Simple as that really

Those people wil be informed when they are ready to be informed.

[half halo]

Lol, people on Reddit still posting emails

That's why we can't have Nice things, people can't understand simple rules (or can't read)

[naive vigil]

Maybe the e-mail is a cynical first layer test of your discretion.

[midnight umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-in-box-box-cartoon-cartoon-box-guy-in-cartoon-box-gif-16464828616157266904

[fleet robin]

do you want them to pick 20k people right now and slowly drip feed access?

what's wrong with people signing up and simply being told if they get access

the same way every other ea playtest works

[naive vigil]

Because it leaves a whole lot of other people thinking they will get access when they won't.

[fleet robin]

if they can't read that's their problem, not ea's

[mossy marten]

true, they specifically mentioned that

[fleet robin]

it's made pretty clear that access isn't guaranteed

[naive vigil]

Yes but imagine saying access isn't guaranteed and then just leaving a whole bunch of people hanging.

[fleet robin]

yes what's wrong with that

[vague barn]

People don't get confirmation they signed up; bitching, moaning, and complaining.
People do get confirmation they signed up; bitching, moaning, and complaining.

Man, can't catch a break.