battlefield-labs-discussion

[warped lagoon]

I dont think SBMM is needed at all

people should just get used to having fun and stop sweating all the time

I know I know, impossible right lol

[feral garden]

Ranked modes can't function without it.

[warped lagoon]

well yea then have a Ranked mode with it

[flint atlas]

some people want to sweat and try get better, there should be space for that

[warped lagoon]

but i mean casual modes shouldnt have it really

[feral garden]

I think everyone agrees that casual playlists should be available without SBMM always tho.

[daring lantern]

SBMM is needed for games with matchmaking. It's not needed for games where you pick a server from a list of servers, which is what people prefer. The issue with the latter is it limits the amount of people who can be playing a game based on the amount of servers that are available

[flint atlas]

something like battlefield with 64 player servers doesnt really need it since you have so many ppl in 1 match but its needed in games like cod where the impact of 1 person in a 6v6 game is pretty big

[warped lagoon]

people should have fun whether they win or lose

sure, try your best of course, but have fun at the same time lol

[daring lantern]

You can introduce community servers, which is another thing people want, but then the big strict AAA corporation loses the ability to use their bespoke moderation systems and has to leave it at least partially to community moderation

[flint atlas]

as long as battleifled has a server browser sbmm doesnt matter anyway

[feral garden]

Pretty much what Battlefield is tbh. And why it appeals to me so much.

[flint atlas]

does V have dedicated servers?

2042 doesnt

[daring lantern]

every battlefield game uses dedicated servers, matchmade or otherwise

[warped lagoon]

yea but CoD is a casual players game too, if you are playing CoD like a Pro, i think you are playing the wrong game imo

that game strictly belongs to casuals if you ask me

[daring lantern]

dedicated servers doesn't mean server browser, it means the game server is remote and not just hosted off one single player's computer

[warped lagoon]

yea I grew up on Battlefield and that's been my mindset since

[flint atlas]

maybe i used the wrong word, 2042 only has official servers right, every other game has user hosted ones

does V have them

[daring lantern]

BFV has community hosted servers yes, albeit a gutted version

2042 is the only game that doesn't have rent-a-server

but instead you can host them for free with Portal

[flint atlas]

not suprising tbh, another L for 2042

[feral garden]

2042 has free custom servers tho?

[flint atlas]

if theres no user hosted dedicated server option then its different to every other title

[daring lantern]

it does indeed, but it lacks the player moderation tools that third party rented servers allow

[mossy marten]

and most of them are dogwater xp servers or weird wanna be milsim

[clear viper]

People who want Battlefield to be a milsim confuse me, because it never was. In 1942 if you get hit by a grenade you go flying 20 feet away lol

[warped lagoon]

Battlefield isn't a milsim

But dont get it twisted, its a military themed game

I see some people who use the "its not a milsim" arguement to try and excuse goofy stuff, not happening

[flint atlas]

going to be laughing in 5 years when i can still queue up for a bf3 match and 2042 is dead bc theres no rental servers

[daring lantern]

battlefield is like, one of the first games to spark the modern "milsim" gaming movement. Battlefield 2's Project Reality mod is the only reason modern milsim games exist in their current form

[warped lagoon]

2042 has bot matches though

[flint atlas]

afaik you cannot play 2042 offline

[warped lagoon]

which is what BF3 and BF4 desperately need

[warped lagoon]

you can still go online and play with bots

[feral garden]

But it has the same or better tools than the previous 2 BF games. With a better way to build and host modes. The game flopped and has no proper community support tho. So that's why portal is the way it is.

[daring lantern]

you literally can play BF2042 solo against bots

[flint atlas]

yeah but EA can completely kill 2042, they cant kill older titles bc servers can be hosted by the community

[warped lagoon]

Hardline DESPERATELY needs bots, like bro lmao

[warped lagoon]

they wont kill it

[flint atlas]

they will eventually

[warped lagoon]

and then they will add an offline patch to it

[flint atlas]

will they really

why doesnt it work offline out of the box

[warped lagoon]

surely, no campaign so they have to

[daring lantern]

this isn't true. all games need what is called a master server. if the master server for BF3 is taken offline, it won't matter that community servers can technically still be hosted

[warped lagoon]

due to what it was initially designed to be

which was scrapped

[feral garden]

Once the next BF game comes out. I think 2042 will be a ghost town.

[safe moat]

I mean you can host your own local match with bots or Portal will still exist

[safe moat]

Depends on how bad/good it is

[warped lagoon]

I believe they will bring about an offline patch for it

either way would be easy for revival projects since bots are already there

[feral garden]

You can't offline tho. Which is their point I believe.

[daring lantern]

I can say with certainty that it will be better than 2042, and probably BFV. We are just hoping that it's as good as BF3, BF4 and BF1

[safe moat]

Oh I get what they mean now

[flint atlas]

does stuff like Venice Unleashed go throuh w/e master server EA has

[warped lagoon]

Next game will defo be better than 2042, anything is better than 2042

[feral garden]

I highly doubt EA will grant them resources for this. All servers are cloud servers atm. This would require an insane amount of work.

[daring lantern]

Venice Unleashed allows you to play the game on your own computer via a dedicated server tool with RCON, so you don't need the master servers for it. That being said, it's already dead

[warped lagoon]

not really, games have localized instances for testing purposes

it already has it

the matter would just be bringing out a public version

it would just run a LAN server in the background if anything, that would be the "offline" patch per say

[feral garden]

Source for this info?

[warped lagoon]

game development works like this

that's how they test online games

[daring lantern]

Literally just the fact that it's returning to a modern military theme with class gameplay and destruction being the big focus points means it will be better than 2042. all they need to do is deliver good post-launch support and make sure the core gameplay itself feels nice, which is easy because BF2042's gameplay already feels fine if you strip away all the operator BS

[warped lagoon]

they typically have a localized version first, offline is a term that can still be used to describe it, technically

but its like

the server is hosted on LAN for testing

[feral garden]

But you're just guessing at this point. And for as unsuccessful as 2042 is, I doubt they want to do that work. Just shelve it in 10 years and no one will care.

[warped lagoon]

even every CoD game has it, that's what the whole "Dedicated server" thing is

[daring lantern]

BF2042 probably won't get an offline patch because it doesn't have a campaign or local (split screen) multiplayer

[safe moat]

Also I think what I am saying is also guessing but since 2042 only has dedicated cloud servers they either have a seperate local devbuild to playtest or a seperate cloud server for the devbuild

[warped lagoon]

I doubt no one will care, likely a revival project if anything will pop up but its highly likely 2042 is getting an offline patch, i would say due to legal purposes (people paid for it) but im speculating there

and its not gonna be as hard to do as Venice Unleashed had to do with BF3

[flint atlas]

it has bots though

[warped lagoon]

every company who makes an online game has a local devbuild

[feral garden]

I would almost guarantee 2042 won't get an offline patch tbh. But neither of us can know either way.

[safe moat]

Its EA, im not ruling out the possibility of them not having a local devbuild

[daring lantern]

yes but the progression system for the game is built around nudging you away from the bot modes and towards regular multiplayer. that's why you can only earn one game's worth of XP in bot modes and can't complete challenges

[warped lagoon]

whether official or not, i doubt 2042 is done for in that sense other than playerbase

[flint atlas]

you can unlock every weapon and vehicle vs bots cant you

[warped lagoon]

bot modes were made for practice and because 2042's playercount was really bad

[warped lagoon]

yep

[flint atlas]

thats enough then

[daring lantern]

i'm sorry to say but there will never be a VU equivalent for BF2042 because of the cloud server structure

[warped lagoon]

its why an offline patch is defo coming at some point

if they had a campaign in the game

they would have left it

which is why they dont do much to BF3 and BF4

you still have somewhat of an offline experience

although BF3 funny enough needs battlelog lol

[flint atlas]

i wish 3 and 4 had bots too, i find it weird 2 had them and 3 just didnt

[feral garden]

Bot modes were there since launch. So it's incorrect to state that they were added due to low player count.

[warped lagoon]

i mean added into the lobbies of public matches my bad

like aggressively added

[feral garden]

That also happened since launch

[daring lantern]

BF3 and 4 were built with consoles in mind. The PC versions of those games were mostly an afterthought

[warped lagoon]

game was bad at launch so that still proves my point

[feral garden]

PvP AI were always used to seed servers before real players joined.

[warped lagoon]

yea but one thing people need to stop doing is making excuses though, the amount of incorrect info spread like "they couldnt do it with BF4/BF1 because they didnt have bot tech in the engine" at the time is hilarious

i am guessing they think people dont realize Battlefront 2015 and Battlefront 2 (2017) are made in the same engine which debunks that claim immediately

both games which have bot modes

and are built on Frostbite just like Battlefield

[daring lantern]

The bot tech hilariously is in the engine for BF3. If you play Venice Unleashed with the mod that adds bots, their AI is literally identical to the BF2 bot AI

[warped lagoon]

they could have 100% added bots to BF4, BFH, BF1 and BF5

we know why they chose not to

[warped lagoon]

yup

i play VU with bots from time to time

[daring lantern]

Frostbite 2 and Frostbite 3 are not the same as the Frostbite engine from Star Wars Battlefront or Battlefield 1 or V or 2042.

They are fundamentally different engines that share basically only a name

[warped lagoon]

Battlefield 4 and Battlefront 2 (2017) both use Frostbite 3, if you dont believe me, look it up

[flint atlas]

does it work without an internet connection out of curiosity

[warped lagoon]

they had access to bot tech

[warped lagoon]

from what i gathered while talking with VU devs, it has to connect online to verify your ownership of the game but if you run a LAN VU server it should work offline

never checked though

[flint atlas]

can you set the team ratio, like in 1942

[warped lagoon]

i think so

i just wish the attention was given to BF4

[flint atlas]

that would be fun, might haveto get VU and try it out

[warped lagoon]

as cool as BF3 is, BF4 is just the better version of BF3

[daring lantern]

they really didn't lol, frostbite 3 didn't support things like photogrammetry

[daring lantern]

you got it backwards. bf4 is the floaty and uninspired version of bf3

[warped lagoon]

they both factually use Frostbite 3 bro

its on the wikipedia too

[daring lantern]

wikipedia is not a source lol

[warped lagoon]

we know why BF4 didnt have it

[warped lagoon]

your moving the goalpost

BF4 could have had it

and the tech was there

[daring lantern]

no i'm not. bf4 used frostbite 3, battlefront did not

[flint atlas]

shooting guns in 3 sucks compared to 4, 3 was good when it lauchned and it arguably has the better maps and dlc but 4 polished it

[warped lagoon]

they decided not to because they wanted to keep people moving to the next game and the next

no one is believing a false excuse that magically EA of all companies forgot how to make bot modes for a brief period of 10 years while doing it for Battlefront 2 and Titanfall 2 to an extent

[flint atlas]

you can tell 3 was heavily based off bf2 the way some guns fucking suck if you dont stop moving and tap fire them

[warped lagoon]

Titanfall 2 made on a different engine though, so I will point that one out

[warped lagoon]

bro look it up lmao

[flint atlas]

wasnt titanfall 2 modded source engine

[daring lantern]

titanfall 2 runs on a heavily modified source engine

[warped lagoon]

Battlefront 2 is on Frostbite 3

[warped lagoon]

yes

[daring lantern]

the reason you're seeing that is because frostbite stopped getting new names with new iterations, so everything beyond 2015 just said frostbite

[warped lagoon]

source?

because its pretty much confirmed its Frostbite 3, im looking at pretty legit sources here

[daring lantern]

"pretty legit sources" = looking at the wikipedia article for star wars battlefront lmao

[warped lagoon]

so whats your source?

you are legit spreading misinfo lol

its Frostbite 3

[daring lantern]

https://www.ea.com/news/frostbite-rebrand-2024

Frostbite engine moved on from 3 right after BF4 launched in 2013 lol

[warped lagoon]

This was in 2024 buddy

[warped lagoon]

umm no lmao

[daring lantern]

me when i only read a link

[warped lagoon]

Battlefield 4 was the first Frostbite 3 game lmao

do your research lmao

[warped lagoon]

talking about me or you? cus did you read what its talking about lmao

its talking about logo rebrands not versions

a lot of googling done

[daring lantern]

By your logic BF2042 and BFV also run on frostbite 3 lmao

[warped lagoon]

I am not arguing BF2042 or BF5 here

I am talking BF4

im keeping my post where its at, im not shifting it

[daring lantern]

I never said BF4 doesn't run on FB3 lmao what

[warped lagoon]

ehem

[daring lantern]

right after

goofball

[warped lagoon]

it didn't move on from 3

because Battlefront 2

is on 3

and so is Battlefield 1 and Battlefield Hardline

but since we want to talk logic here

[daring lantern]

Every frostbite game since BF1 runs on the same version of Frostbite as 2042

[warped lagoon]

right cool but remember im arguing Battlefield 4 here

and by your logic you say it didnt number it beyond 2015 correct?

[daring lantern]

Yeah, what I said is that the BF4 engine is different from the Battlefront engine which makes it not wild to believe that one having bots and the other not having bots could be a tech issue

[warped lagoon]

they are not different

they are the same engine

[daring lantern]

ok buddy

[warped lagoon]

just a different game on the same engine

[daring lantern]

i'm not going to spend any more energy arguing with a brick wall, this is going literally nowhere

[warped lagoon]

are you gonna argue every Unreal game is made on a different engine cus its a different game xD

you dont realize how stupid that sounds

[warped lagoon]

no you know exactly how im going to demolish this argument that's why you are stepping away

you keep shifting the goalpost every time because you know

[daring lantern]

It's a bit different when you're talking about a bespoke, in-house game engine that gets reiterated every time a new game comes out vs a literal freeware game engine

[warped lagoon]

i'd argue you are ragebaiting at this point

[warped lagoon]

got a source on that?

cus Unreal gets reiterated all the time and so does Frostbite, no evidence they are suddenly completely different from the last unless we have a source

[daring lantern]

???????????? every time there's an EA conference call they bring up all the new tech they're shoving into frostbite engine to power their new games

[warped lagoon]

key word new tech shoved into Frostbite

do you know what reiteration means

like the word "reiteration"

something that's completely different is not a "reiteration"

[daring lantern]

Unreal gets reiterated, and then every game developed on it has the option to update to the newest version at the cost of quite commonly having to reconstruct their codebase due to varying levels of change brought about at an engine level

[warped lagoon]

to iterate over something is to expand upon what was done previously

its to add and expand in a basic sense

[daring lantern]

Yeah and I guess when they iterated on Frostbite engine in 2017 for Battlefront they added bots back into the official code

womp womp the old games didn't have it

[warped lagoon]

you see 😄

now lets talk about where you messed up

[daring lantern]

ew

[warped lagoon]

you said beyond 2015

[daring lantern]

talk to yourself bud i'm not gonna let some dude talk to me like i'm a child

[warped lagoon]

and you also make the mistake and forget multiple times I mentioned Battlefront 2015 too

i know whoops lol

you forgot Battlefront 2015 didnt you

that released in 2015, is not beyond 2015 either

and what do you know was made on Frostbite 3

along with BF4

so no the bot tech was not added with Battlefront 2

because it already existed

so again, do your research xD

[tall urchin]

I don't play CoD, nice assumption though.

Hell, I don't even use Reddit lol

[twilit creek]

Was about to say, pinging those people was a stupid mistake of him lol

[fallow ridge]

What's up battlefielderrsss

[lost dune]

Does this mean we got into the playtest?

[pallid coral]

Wdym

[lost dune]

??

[tired gyro]

This be a public discord server

[solemn forge]

#battlefield-labs-news

[fallow ridge]

What do you guys think EA will do to recapture audience interest for the new battlefield

To me it looks like they're trying to make it as battlefield 3 as much as possible

Maybe even 4

[warped lagoon]

yea its going to be a mix of Battlefield 3 and 4

from what Zampella said

or like heavily inspired

[fallow ridge]

As wonderful as that sounds, to me that also sounds like extreme desperation

[tired gyro]

better be heavily and not lightly with a touch of 2042

[fallow ridge]

Kinda like a last attempt before the franchise goes under type situation

[rustic crest]

Yeh i didn't know i wasn't allowed. Sorry 🤦‍♂️😫🤣

[lost fable]

Does anyone know when play test invites are going out?

[pulsar shard]

is anyone getting an error when trying to register for the playtest?

[heady thorn]

[cyan aspen]

yup

[gaunt flume]

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

Hello! 🙂

[half halo]

No

[pearl aurora]

I don't resving email

[nimble bridge]

Same

Nah, it's good

Warzone is ruining main games too tbh. I don't think every CoD needs gunsmithing. I would've enjoyed BO6 more if it had pick 10.

Reminds me when CoD '''''pros''''' hated how Treyarch decided to remove visual recoil from BO6 guns 99% of them are playing with a controller so it doesn't matter for them lol. It just made it easier for KBM players to play the game. Iron sights were unusable before the patch.

2042 is the best battlefield

[pallid coral]

Good for you

I'm a BFV/BFH lover myself

[nimble bridge]

That's not true, SBMM/EOMM is the same thing. Back then SBMM had less parameters and it was less algorithmic but they are essentially the same thing. ''SBMM was in games for 20 years'' argument is a blatant lie because how tf can you add SBMM to a game with server browsers? You literally can't. Halo 2 specifically didn't had SBMM for casual play. Lead designer himself explains that. They turned off all those matchmaking parameters for casual play. Ping was the only priority in casual play.

[swift yoke]

I like SBMM lol

I'd rather play against better players personally. like in battlefield for example in every match there is probably only 1-4 good players in each match gets boring quickly

[pallid coral]

I don't mind sbmm or not in games like bf where there's 32v32

But its a bigger topic in cod or THE FINALS

In battlefield many kills you get are 3rd parties or distracted kills and ttk is also fast

[nimble bridge]

Try delta force, you will hate it, Enders forces himself to play it every day lol

[pallid coral]

i tried DF, it was fun but not a game for me

[nimble bridge]

DF is BF with SBMM

That's why matchmaking takes 5 minutes in it

[pallid coral]

ive gotten into milsims for the last 3y or so, so playing fake-mil"sims" feels meh to me

im afraid the new BF might also be out of my taste, but im always willing to try it

[ebon beacon]

Jesus, that's rough. It's been said that 2042 has SBMM, but it doesn't make me feel manipulated or that I want to drive my forehead through a wall. And I find matches pretty quickly in a supposed "dead game"

[pallid coral]

yikes, well i guess its more of a competitive BF

ive always played BF because it had a diverse playerbase. i didnt mind getting destroyed by a better player but i never played BF for the competition

[nimble bridge]

2042 doesn't have SBMM

Otherwise it would be dead

[pallid coral]

i just wanna play BF, have some music in the BG and enjoy sniping, or dying and respawning etc

not be sweating around

i dont think BF has ever been that

[ebon beacon]

Good. let's keep it that way

[nimble bridge]

BF3/4 had a competitive scene with 5v5 rush but it never returned after them

[pallid coral]

even BF1 incursions

BFV had a competitive community albeit very small. in the covid times there were actual professional leagues and money involved tournaments. i was part of a country's competitive team agianst korea and japan's team (sometimes singapore's as well) and man that was fun. 6v6 on specific maps with some guns and gadgets banned etc

honestly that made me love bfv even more, i have ~600 hours in that game now 😂

[half halo]

I enjoyed BF1 incursions 🙂
Added some variety

[pallid coral]

by the time i got into bf1, incursions was dead asf

i had a huge break between bfh and bf1, becuase bf1 wasn't on PS3 ;_;

then i built my first pc and finaly able to play BF1 but BF1 was already like more than a year old by then 💀

[vast pendant]

Looking moreso like BF2 in a modern engine really

[nimble bridge]

Nah

They used BF3 music in the teaser, released the same day as first BF3 teaser, also teaser ends with an RPG to a building similar to 2nd teaser of BF3

[vast pendant]

Indeed but the environments shown so far scream BF2, BF3 was this blue tinted COD destroyer, that teaser is to me is straight up BF2 if you ignore the music, I get the comparisons but I don't see it as concrete.

By the way if it's 3, I'll be happier

I don't think I've slapped more in a game than I did in BF3

And I hit Pred on Apex for comparison 😂

[nimble bridge]

@tigge himself confirmed map shown in teaser was a BF2 map, most likely Karkand but it might be another BF2 map

[nimble bridge]

I also don't think next BF will be anything like BF2 besides maybe maps, if supposed playtest leaks are true we will get BFV + 2042 which is good in my book

[pulsar shard]

2042 is not a good combination

I hope the combination is more like BF3-BF1-BFV

[nimble bridge]

I can DM you the things he said

I don't want to share them in here

[pulsar shard]

Sure but who ?

[nimble bridge]

Sent them, from a guy on reddit who claims to be a playtester

[alpine rock]

pls gib bf3 legacy maps

I'd like to see some new maps too but it should preferably launch with a few classic maps as well

[nimble bridge]

I want Metro 2025

[next hatch]

Yup, I remember that

[vague barn]

Is it the "different guns", "new tank" guy?

[nimble bridge]

Nah

[vague barn]

Neat, I wasn't aware there was another alleged leak.

[pallid coral]

I hope it's a new game

Not copy paste bs

If 95% of the old team left, it would hurt to try and go strictly copying old stuff to get back their audience. That's a cheap money grab and a shallow copy of old peak moments of this franchise.

Id rather they learn what makes a game feel like battlefield and use creativity to make a new and unique experience which is still battlefield but not a copy paste

I'm sure a lot of people just want a bf3/4 remaster, and I respect EA for not just remaking old games

[nimble bridge]

👆

[serene carbon]

@nimble bridge DM me please,

[vague barn]

they want a remaster until that's what they get

[pallid coral]

I don't blame them. I'm sure for them time stopped when bf4 ended

But they don't realize the reason it's still "peak" for them is cuz a lot of nostalgia, the hype and fun u had playing BACK THEN and the good times u still remember which carries the game forward

Not saying bf4 is bad, but it's older now and it's showing it's age in a lot of ways

[winged needle]

You are never gonna get "back then." If you want it, then go play the older games. BF 2025 has to take a new direction to capture new audience instead of pandering to the old players who might have grew up and stopped playing video games. Adapt to survive.

[pallid coral]

True, plus there's no reason to stop here for EA. Bf has so many things going for it. They can change it up a bit and it'll still be battlefield. For me battlefield was always dynamic. Unlike cod which is a reskin every year, bf was always a different game every year still giving me the same immersive war feeling but you can't tell me BfH, bf1, and bf4 were reskins of each other and they dropped back to back to back

[lilac rose]

Just had a thought...

I wasn't able to finish the past week's weekly mission, because the server population died off after the game update. I'd forgotten the weekly missions are doable in solo/co-op, due to being stuck in the mode of battle pass missions not being doable in solo and co-op.

That brings me to something I'd like to see in the next Battlefield. If we get a battle pass (I desperately hope we don't; I hate battle passes with a burning passion), please, for goodness' sake, let us complete those tasks in solo and co-op, so we can do them when the server population is low, or with friends who refuse to play competitive multiplayer.

Yeah, we got limited battle pass progression through XP alone, but that alone isn't enough to actually reliably and reasonably complete a battle pass. I have friends who can't compete in competitive multiplayer/simply don't enjoy the stress, especially as console players up against people using keyboard and mouse. Whenever they wanted to play, I had to choose between working toward completing the battle pass, or playing with my friends, and it absolutely was an either-or choice, due to the XP cap. I get that XP farming in solo/co-op/portal was a problem, but at least let us do the missions. Capping XP is fine (just don't do it any more than you already did), but the missions should count.

I spent countless hours in public multiplayer lobbies, just waiting and hoping for a lobby to fill up, so I could do the missions. It was extremely frustrating and demoralizing.

[nimble bridge]

We need permanent battlepasses imo

Similar to Halo Infinite, Helldivers, Marvel Rivals

I would've bought some of them in 2042 if I could but not my fault game was unplayable back then

[lilac rose]

Yeah... The big problem for me was the looming countdown timer on each week's bonus mission, and the highly-variable amount of time it took to even unlock the ability to work on that bonus mission.

[unkempt ocean]

i got through the que and signed up some time ago now but havent yet recieved an invite

anyone got the same issue

or know what is gboing on

[lilac rose]

I'm not sure that invites are even going out yet. Not everyone is likely to get an invite, either. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

[unkempt ocean]

ahh okay

[lilac rose]

Battlefield Labs is just a test program. They probably had a significant portion of Battlefield players sign up, which would be way too many people for a testing program. You can't expect them to set up server infrastructure for that many people, just for a test.

[unkempt ocean]

yea fair h0onestly

[grim siren]

Anyone got emailed?

[unkempt ocean]

some people probs

[unkempt creek]

i got an email saying welcome your in but theres no link or nothing

[unkempt ocean]

i didnt get that

[unkempt creek]

my bad say my registration is complete they will email if i get in gotta love mobile emails lol never load properly lol

[lilac rose]

My mobile client is so bad, that if you don't check it daily, the emails from the days you don't check just never appear on mobile. I know gosh darn well I didn't go three full days without a bunch of spam!

It seems to be a new bug, and I've got a say, as bugs go, I'm kind of impressed.

[unkempt creek]

100% i get that with my apple emails on my ipad

[unkempt creek]

hahha

[lilac rose]

Yeah, AOL does it, too. Probably Yahoo, as well, since they're the same company now, and the app is presumably basically the same.

[unkempt creek]

we just want are emails when they arrive its not hard to do that surely

[lilac rose]

You'd think...

[unkempt creek]

hopefully you get your email soon bro

[lilac rose]

Thanks! Same to you!

[unkempt creek]

👍

[mild girder]

you didnt get a email saying "your in" lol you only got a confirmation email that you are signed up, but nothing more

[unkempt creek]

yes i said that bro i opened it on my mobile and i thought it said your in then when i opened it on my pc it says my registration is complete

[worldly turret]

I got an email from battle.net close enough right?

[tepid plinth]

Definitely

Just make sure that in these hypothetical emails you read the hypothetical big red box

[worldly turret]

The hypothetical red boxes with the big scary hypothetical letters?

[tepid plinth]

Yeah, the one that hypothetically says to not share anything contained within said email

Would be hilarious if someone comes in one day, doesn’t pay attention and gets banned on the spot

Just want to make sure people don’t go posting info all over the place

[worldly turret]

Some guy dmed me a picture of another hypothetical email like a week ago thinking it was BF

[mild girder]

They all go crazy when they see someone getting a Email regarding a different Playtest lol

[mild girder]

oh it will happen

[plain bluff]

here's a little post i made

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/YWFisfLOfh

you dont have to comment, like or dislike, whatever. id like to discuss the topic with someone if you find the time, just to get a feel for the general concensus

[kindred haven]

my bf labs regristration email came in today, which is really late, does that reduce my chances of getting invited?

late as in other users in here a week ago stated that they already received them

[vague barn]

No, it does not reduce your chances.

[half halo]

Battlefield Labs is already over, sorry chief

Mandatory /s

[mild girder]

nothing increases or decreases your chance of being picked

[versed token]

Except the sheer number of people that signed up

[mild girder]

still everyone has the same chance

[fleet robin]

he's saying you have better odds of being selected if there are less people to compete with

[cold belfry]

Feel like I’m gambling here

[eager orbit]

Hello, does anybody know if the playtesting has started? Has anybody got an invitation yet?

[wispy dagger]

Yes

[eager orbit]

Damn, and did anybody say something about the game?

[fervent eagle]

It's available right now, check your ea account, playtest is here

[eager orbit]

Are you Czech?

You are baiting me guys, right?

[golden vortex]

There is nothing in #battlefield-labs-news - no reason to not chill

[eager orbit]

Aight, thanks

[mossy marten]

First BF Labs session ended last week

[golden vortex]

[quiet elm]

How do you know?

[wispy dagger]

Yes baiting you lol

[mossy marten]

Sources

[wispy dagger]

Nothing that we know of yet

And if there was we couldn’t talk about it

[quiet elm]

[mossy marten]

man, let us troll a bit

[golden vortex]

[real elm]

damn they released battlefield 6 as a fortnite creative map

[mossy marten]

damn, they released a BF mod for Arma: Reforged

[heady thorn]

[mossy marten]

[heady thorn]

[mossy marten]

People when BF isn't a milsim:

[heady thorn]

[mild girder]

damn, they released the Playtest as a Roblox Game

[tall urchin]

I don't want BF to be a milsim, I just want everyone really slow and withered by suppression so my bad gamer skills can still prevail.

[mild girder]

i could talk about it, if someone else leaks it lol

[vague barn]

It's funny to me, as someone who does indulge in milsim games, to read people who want milsim-esque features. I'm always tempted to just list a series of mods for Arma 3 that do the exact thing they want or suggest a game like Squad or Reforger to them.

[vague barn]

Judging by the amount of messages that have been deleted recently for just talking about the registration confirmation email; I wouldn't be too sure of that.

[mild girder]

i havent seen a single message being deleted about that

[vague barn]

Probably because, you know, they have been deleted.

[mild girder]

You can see when messages are deleted btw if you know how to look for them

And if some where deleted, they probably got deleted by the User, not a mod

[craggy wyvern]

Yesterday i got an email labled "Registration Complete" so what now? Just wait?

[vague barn]

Whatever floats your boat and doesn't sink mine, my friend.

[vague barn]

You now have access to a game. It's the waiting game.

[mild girder]

Wrong

[vague barn]

Ok.

[kindred haven]

that sounds like a threat lmao

[cold belfry]

I tried to go to labs and I keep getting an error

Anyone else having this issue?

[mild girder]

Site is kinda fucked atm

[signal vigil]

works for me

just says no playtests available

(never getting selected for this😔 )

[mild girder]

btw you dont need to check the site anymore if you signed up, just wait for a mail

[cold belfry]

Bet

[signal vigil]

if you guys get selected can you dm me some gameplay?

[mild girder]

nope, dont want my EA account banned

[half halo]

@mild girder Same

[signal vigil]

its not a leak if it stays between us ❤️

[mild girder]

It is

[signal vigil]

[vague barn]

Oh, well in that case, random stranger I have never before interacted with outside of the holy place of truth and honesty, the internet, I am definitely going to share every piece of information and footage I get from the test, but only with you and you have to pinky promise not to share it along. /s

Edit: Added obligatory /s

[signal vigil]

ill pinky promise so hard

[mild girder]

I dont even know why people wanna see the alpha so bad, they will just be dissapointed lol

[cold belfry]

Blue Brawler an opp don’t do it!!!!

[signal vigil]

what no im not 😭

ive had some great discussions here

im just excited and being silly

[cold belfry]

Ik ik just messing around

[signal vigil]

♥️

[mild girder]

then rather wait for a Beta, since the Playtest will only be Alpha and be pretty rough

[cold belfry]

I would love to be a play tester but it doesn’t really matter cause ik people will give the same feedback I will

[mild girder]

most people wont sadly

they will just play and then cry on reddit if things dont work as they should

[signal vigil]

which is why i hope the majority of playtesters are battlefield vets

[vague barn]

80% of people will just want to play and then leak stuff for their 5 seconds of internet fame

[signal vigil]

yeah thats small peenar energy

[mild girder]

wait didnt u ask for someone to leak it to you?

[signal vigil]

tbh from reading the discussions here, i feel the majority of you guys would give solid advice

[mild girder]

The only Playtest im part of rn is Deadlock lol

and the game is great, just miss a update man :c

[signal vigil]

haven't heard of deadlock

cool that you're testing it tho

[mild girder]

New MOBA from Valve, its pretty fun, even tho i never liked MOBAs

Everyone that gets an Invite that already has access can play it

[signal vigil]

interestinggg

never been into MOBAs either

cool tho

[half halo]

Never been into MOBA either

Played LOL like 8 years ago but just to play with friends, never really liked the gameplay loop

And the toxicity of course

[mild girder]

Same, but now ive got 719 hours in it

[flint atlas]

shooter moba too

overwatch/dota hybrid

[mossy marten]

[spice bramble]

I have finally been released from the bad boys jail

[vague barn]

🥳

[signal vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-world-jingalls-big-w-mad-mad-mad-mad-world-gif-23369421

[golden vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/be-back-will-you-moe-gif-13624942

[mossy marten]

[vague barn]

Goodness gracious me, I do hope there will be some non-consumable way to counter thermals in the next installment. Something akin to DICE LA camouflage; doesn't blend in well but does counter thermals, though maybe not completely removing it.

There are unfortunately more angles with thermal optic campers than I have smoke grenades to deal with.

[flint atlas]

isnt thermal supposed to counter smoke

thats why people ran it in bf4, thermal sights and smoke nades w an lmg

id imagine you'd want somehing to disable elctronics to counter thermal/flir

[vague barn]

It doesn't in Battlefield 4 at least. I know it used to be possible to see through smoke with thermals but was removed because people would abuse it.

[vague barn]

Not quite, I just want Barracuda SOTACS or Barracuda Soldier Systems to hide your thermal signature, at least available for recon or some such.

[nimble bridge]

How do you not know?

[nimble bridge]

Good map design can counter thermals

[vague barn]

I don't want thermals to be useless, I want to be able to counter them through gameplay.

[flint atlas]

i dont think a whole gadget is worth it for situation counters but a squad perk to do it would be nice

[vague barn]

It wouldn't be a gadget, it'd be a passive or something along those lines.

[flint atlas]

yeah the perks we had in 3 and 4

or maybe yeah, recons is just immune to thermal/flir

[nimble bridge]

Just shoot them

[vague barn]

An option, for sure, but it's a little difficult over longer distances, especially when they have the advantage of being on a bipod already.

[vague barn]

I used to think it should be a functional cosmetic item but I am leaning more towards just making recce class have a reduced thermal signature, just something to make the thermal user have to lean in to determine if it is actually a target or not. Something like Barracuda Soldier Systems where you wear it as a poncho and it covers up your thermal signature.

I'd love it if the thermal optics also had that "blackout"/"whiteout" period between ADS and hipfire or vice versa. I.e. your player character's eyes has to adapt to the new lighting environment instead of just snapping in and out of ADS.

[nimble bridge]

What if it's a barracuda poncho but you had to sacrifice a gadget slot?

Like no TUGS or SOFLAM for poncho

[flint atlas]

thermal/flir is too rare to sac a whole gadget slot

[vague barn]

I wouldn't be opposed to it, but my preference would be for it to be a (semi-)permanent thing as opposed to a gadget.

[flint atlas]

how many ppl really use it most of the time, u have to die to someone using thermal and then swap in the gadget, u might not see that person again

[vague barn]

Sorry I keep bringing it up but similar to DICE LA camo, but only available for recon, and with a unique "uniform" model kind of thing.

[flint atlas]

that sounds fine

but, whats the trade off

other camos must give some kind of benefit or the anti-thermal one has to have some negative

like u get spotted for longer

[vague barn]

Well, that's where I am a little at a loss for what the trade-off would be. I've played around with the idea of having reduced sprint speed (or less stamina if limited stamina is introduced), having the poncho itself be a non-standard camouflage pattern or just a plain color that isn't overly common in nature.

Reduced sprint speed because the poncho (I imagine) would cause you to accumulate heat faster.

Non-standard camouflage pattern (look up Barracuda Soldier Systems on Google) as it would make you stand out more visually but less thermally.

[nimble bridge]

If it's a camo it will be P2W like BFV's ghillie suits If it's a perk or a subclass like BF1 or BFV then people will just equip it and forget about it

[vague barn]

Nono, I would make it acquirable solely through progression in the recce class.

Sort of like how assignment unlocked equipment works in Battlefield 4.

"Do X while Y for Z times" and you'll unlock it or something.

[vague barn]

I do like the idea of being spotted longer, though.

[bold crystal]

"Get spotted 250 times whilst prone to unlock thermal camo"

[flint atlas]

yeah, thermal cant see u but everyone else can see u easier

[bold crystal]

work hard to play hard

[vague barn]

Yeah, basically that.

[vague barn]

Something akin to that format, yes.

[vague barn]

Tbh that sounds like a decent idea for a unlock criteria. It'd happen naturally, but require some player effort (since most players don't spend much time prone), but can't easily be unlocked through just going into an empty server with a friend or something like that.

[mossy marten]

thermals should give no advantage of seeing through smoke
it should only aid in better visibility on targets, like 2042. nothing more

[vague barn]

Agreed, it shouldn't be able to see through smoke.

[plain bluff]

you gotta stop worrying about thermals so much. most people dont even use em. besides, this aint arma

[vague barn]

I hate thermals though 😭

[versed token]

Thermals were a huge issue in 4 though

and there's a reason why they can't see through smoke in 2042

[mossy marten]

gameplay > realism

[plain bluff]

yes, correct. you can tweak thermals to behave like you want

[mossy marten]

was a general statement about BF
i would rather have less immersion and realism if it means I get a better gameplay experience

[plain bluff]

you dont want realism in battlefield. its literally all immersion

if you want a "realistic" ""experience"", you can always play reforger

heard its good this time of year

though ill most likely wait for arma 4

[heady thorn]

BF= authentic. Not realistic.

[plain bluff]

that's the word i was looking for

[mossy marten]

Hey Dice
give me a camera shake slider that can go down to 0% camera shake

😉

[heady thorn]

It looks right, feels right. But its not realistic at all

[plain bluff]

versimilitude

though not really. its just arcadey gameplay dressed nicely

[mossy marten]

who wants to bet on if they'll have actual real gun names this game?

[heady thorn]

I mean thats very easy to answer

Absolutely not lol

[mossy marten]

probably figured

[heady thorn]

As long as the names arent something like CoD with lachman subs i'm fine. DICE has done naming pretty good for 2042 tbh

[mossy marten]

M16A4 going to be called the K14A6

[mossy marten]

real gun names scarrryyyyyyy 😱

[heady thorn]

Nah they can do M16A4. They can't do Colt M16A4 tho

US Military designations are fine

Already is m16 in 2042 too lol

[mossy marten]

i still want the MSBS in a game other than WW3 straight up

[mossy marten]

M16A3, but that's because it was a portal weapon tho and not an AOW gun

[heady thorn]

It is M16A3 because they can name it that. If Legal at EA didnt want it named that, they wouldnt have.

https://youtu.be/okMhLCaPuuM great video on this

[tepid plinth]

Even then, immersion doesn’t require realism

[tired gyro]

Green

[tall urchin]

[crystal fossil]

People saying that the new bf's movement should look like arma are crazy the fact arma's movement looks blocky and weird

[tall urchin]

Arma movement works for what it is, but it has no place in an arcadey shooter. If people really want Squad/Arma they can play those.

[crystal fossil]

Yeah, their movement is typic milsim like

And bf is not a milsim ahh game

[tall urchin]

People just say they want slow movement the same reason they want bullets to kill in one shot, to cover up inadequate play so their ego stays intact.

[crystal fossil]

One shot kill really ? Damn

Bf3 is a perfect exemple

If they want slow movement

They should Stop taking exemple on arma

[half halo]

When I see portal servers with 1000% damage, I loose braincells every time

[smoky pike]

have they started to invite folks?

I got a comfirmation email

[crystal fossil]

Same for bfV servers with " hardcore 200% damage underground" ahh

[tall urchin]

You and me both, they gotta stop enabling that kind of shit in portal

I'm reminded of that guy who has nearly 3000 hours just farming explosive Ghostmaker on 2 million AI

[half halo]

Bruh

[half halo]

No

[tepid plinth]

I wanted to go the other direction and make a raised movement speed, longer ttk mode but it just gets hit with the exp cap

[valid basalt]

Can we get few wallpapers?

[golden vortex]

Feel free to use this

[mossy marten]

[safe pebble]

I joined the labs line twice and it never worked what happened

[stray veldt]

did you try reloading the page or something? for me it only worked the 3rd time after reloading the page a few times

[safe pebble]

I think I did when I try’d to join

It was a couple of weeks ago though

[spice bramble]

Dry like a desert out here

Need me a drop of some news

[mossy marten]

DF campaign will be free to play
that's some news there lol

[spice bramble]

Can't run that game for whatever reason

[mossy marten]

rip

[flint atlas]

im confused, do people like or not like the Plus system in 2042 bc I thought it was one of the games best features

i want them to keep it for 6

[fervent eagle]

it's useless

[mossy marten]

nah, plus system to versatile
remove it for BF6

[flint atlas]

see i think its bc of what the attachments do that break it, not the system

we have crazy attachments in 2042 vs 4

barrels and mags that affect fire rate, range, damage, we didnt have any of that before

[fervent eagle]

it's like tornado, people are happy to have it for first hours and then you forget it exist

[flint atlas]

i use it all the time

[fervent eagle]

only give infinite ammo and remove utility of support

[flint atlas]

the AS VAL is the biggest outlier, its 3 guns in 1

[mossy marten]

even so, the plus system makes it to oversatile. "oh you need to go from cqc to long range, lemme quick swap barrels, optics, etc to compensate"

[fervent eagle]

it's not trash, it's just like whatever

[flint atlas]

yeah thats the problem, the attachments are too powerful

we didnt have that in bf4

you got slight changes to recoil and spread and that was it

[mossy marten]

having that option in general is dumb straight up

[flint atlas]

why

in bf4 everyone runs the same attachments on each gun bc they pick what works best in most situations, theres no variety

in 2042 i can actually use an acog on my assault rifle for the few times i need it and not ruin my normal gameplay

i did that in bf4 by using the x2 magnifier and a red dot

i like 2042s better though

[mossy marten]

then that's the consenquence of being able to swap zoom levels on the fly, not being able to choose another attachment.

it shouldn't be a free optic swap/attachment swap at a moment's notice

[flint atlas]

if it wasnt as quick as it was it wouldnt be used

if you cant do it as a reaction, then you may as well die and respawn with different attachments, making it pointless

[timid needle]

im fine with the die and change, same as COD. to do it on the fly yeah it works but kinda ridiculous at same time. i saw a guy on YT that doesnt reload just quick swaps magazines( on PC i guess its super fast compared to console)

[vague barn]

I see we are discussing the Plus system (again).

[timid needle]

i doubt they'll remove it as it had to take some thought and time to create.

[flint atlas]

yeah thats dumb, also swapping mags for infinite reserve ammo

[timid needle]

yeah idk what he was doing it just showed boom mag swap, mag swap mag swap

too slow on console, mine as well just reload, unless yall know a quicker way

[mossy marten]

I'm gonna say it:
Magazine attachments was a bad idea

the 4th slot should be stocks that affect movement speed related stuff

[timid needle]

i do appreciate the plus for optics though, helps when going longrange then quickly heading into closer battles

[spice bramble]

Can someone here ping me I'm trying somethinhg

[fleet robin]

the daily plus system discussion

really hope it doesn't come back, as interesting as it was

[timid needle]

id make it for say support could swap to med bag or ammo, i mean you already got this big ass bag on your back lol

[flint atlas]

i never used more than x1 on assault rifles until 2042

having access to a x4 on demand is ideal bc u almost never need more than x1

[fleet robin]

i feel this just further defeats the purpose of classes and loadout customisation

[timid needle]

and a new topic this "lean" could you not mount or "optic cut" corners in BF4? idr

[flint atlas]

bf4 had an auto lean

it was a little weird and i remmber disabling it with ini tweaks

[vague barn]

The Plus system is, in my subjective view, stupid to have ever implemented, here's the primary reason why; it makes every weapon capable of performing every role without any noteworthy penalty. The player being able to on-the-go swap your weapon system from a CQC rifle to a pseudo-marksman rifle is not beneficial to gameplay, or variety.

Gameplay, I would argue, is impaired by its existence as the distinction between close, medium, and long range classes disappears almost entirely when everyone can reconfigure their weapon system in the field to adapt to any situation. It dumbs the game down by allowing players to perform any role, rather than playing to the strengths of their weapon system.

In terms of variety, it removes the need for forethought and consideration of the map layout and environment. You unlock the needed attachments and then you never interact with the customization screen again.

To provide this ability does not enhance gameplay feel, it restricts the importance of forethought and consideration for your choices.

[fleet robin]

what's the purpose of two distinct classes if one of them can have gadgets that belong to the both of them, and what's the purpose of carefully creating a loadout that'll suit your needs if you can swap attachments on the go

[timid needle]

maybe i did the same

[plain bluff]

if leaning is a thing, i sincerely hope people cant abuse it

[vague barn]

@spice bramble I'll ping you again in exactly 30 seconds.

[plain bluff]

theres no skill involved beyond being methed up and clicking fast

[vague barn]

@spice bramble

[flint atlas]

dice added attachments that were way more powerful than bf4 ones at the same time as the plus system

if we had bf4 attachments with plus, id bet ppl would feel different

[spice bramble]

Ty

[plain bluff]

you may introduce him to this, perhaps?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/YWFisfLOfh

[flint atlas]

ill agree adding an extra 200rpm to my assault rifle is way too good to be done on the fly

[timid needle]

i just meant have ability to carry both ammo and med if your whatever class that is

I always bring out ammo then its like, dang wish i could throw a few health packs too

[plain bluff]

@timid needle you may want to read that post if youve got a minute or two

[fleet robin]

yes that's where the whole concept of teamwork comes into play

[vague barn]

I would be maybe slightly less opposed to it if the changes possible through the plus system weren't so drastic, but I would still be extremely opposed to it.

[fleet robin]

"i always bring ammo but i wish i could have health packs"
if only there was a solution to this problem

[plain bluff]

there's only one solution to this problem and it involves a chainsaw

[fleet robin]

does it also involve a man

[flint atlas]

is it a hot take to say passive hp regen is bad for the game or is it needed

[plain bluff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/YWFisfLOfh

[flint atlas]

i was conflicted going from bf2 to bf3 and getting passive hp regen

[plain bluff]

TLDR for your question; you can regen, but only 2/3's of the damage you received

[obtuse tendon]

new to this server, where do I provide input and feedback to the Devs for the new BF?

[flint atlas]

i like that

[vague barn]

I was talking to Mr. Striker about this the other day. I think you should be able to regenerate health only up to a certain point, not all the way to 100%.

[fleet robin]

you do not, they'll get feedback through labs

[plain bluff]

nowhere really. we just throw around theories and expectations here

[flint atlas]

most guns 4-5 shot kill so id cap it at 80% hp

[obtuse tendon]

ah, boring. No Plurality site or anything for people to make suggestions?

[vague barn]

Theories, expectations, wishes, hopes.

[plain bluff]

and you only heal fully through health crates, or health puches, but instead of healing you fully, they allow you to regen to full

[vague barn]

This is basically a crackden for Battlefield players.

[plain bluff]

since the normal channel is occupied by normies?

[timid needle]

lol

[vague barn]

No, there's no such site. Nor should there be imo.

The amount of duplicates and "i want x." without any explanations how or why would flood such a system, drowning out actual constructive ideas to the point that it would be more of a burden than an asset.

[timid needle]

i say limit the silly gadgets, no need for a grapplehook or wingsuit, the machinegun post that doesnt kill anything

[plain bluff]

plenty of people say "do x" without providing examples or without defining the issue. it makes me hurl

[plain bluff]

bro, please, last time i promise. read this and tell me what you like and dont like

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/YWFisfLOfh

[obtuse tendon]

@vague barn Have you ever used a Plurality wiki to make or gather suggestions? It is a mechanism for feedback, but stops trolls or spamming, kinda like one way comments, that get up voted or not

[timid needle]

i read it its a good thought

i may not agree 100% but yeah the idea is thorough

[plain bluff]

id love to hear what you dont agree with.

[vague barn]

I have, I hang around of mod making crackdens where we use that sort of system. While it is a useful tool in controlled environments, this is not a controlled environment.

[flint atlas]

i dont want anyone in the community influencing what DICE do with bf6, I want them to have a concrete vision for the game and let us play test it and give them raw data to use to make adjustments

[vague barn]

I'd rather the devs do their thing, have playtesting of it, act on the feedback from that playtest, and repeat.

[flint atlas]

hah beat you to it

[fleet robin]

i mean dice had a vision for 2042 and look how that turned out

[vague barn]

😢

[flint atlas]

1 flop out of how many bangers

i still trust them to make something good

[fleet robin]

my point is player feedback is still important

[obtuse tendon]

@vague barn that is nothing like this kinda system. Only places that are using these are governments so you are a bit sus in claiming you have used them. But all good discussions either way. Thanks

[flint atlas]

it is, but only when they have their own sure vision of what they want to do

[vague barn]

can i take out a small loan of 1 000 000 dollars from you

you seem like a trusting person

[flint atlas]

2042 was a failure at some level ,probably corporate asking them to chase trends

or maybe it was DICE and they made a mistake

[timid needle]

for instance seperating ammo replenish for explosives, thats kinda the point to get more rockets grenades or c4

[plain bluff]

corpos dont know what makes games good, they only want fucking money

[flint atlas]

line goes up

[fleet robin]

well i suppose once their vision is set in stone there's not much we can do about it anyway

just hope they learned something from 2042

[flint atlas]

after the shitstorm around it, they have to have

[plain bluff]

Weapon specialist gets the ammo box. thats the only gadget that replenishes everything

[flint atlas]

oh, what about losing ammo left in the mag after reloading, that was another change from bf2 to bf3

[fleet robin]

well supposedly they're bringing back portal and a battle royale, so i'm not too thrilled

[vague barn]

Don't underestimate the influence of corporate heads.

[mossy marten]

what if they split the ammo box into gun ammo and gadget replenishing
so support can't be a one trick pony

[flint atlas]

hey a f2p Battlefield BR could be really good

wasnt Firestorm really cool

it was just locked behind a paywall

[plain bluff]

supposedly? may i know the sås?

[fleet robin]

sounding like a broken record atp, but i'd rather we get one focused and well made experience

[flint atlas]

Portal is also a cool idea

[vague barn]

Me neither, hopefully they die out quick.

[mossy marten]

flakfire said the devs confirmed it

[fleet robin]

rather than a side mode, and a f2p mode, and whatever

[flint atlas]

they do have the biggest team of staff ever

[fleet robin]

it's just what i've heard people say here, with lots of confidence. I don't think the battle royale is confirmed yet

[plain bluff]

i havent heard flakfires name in a damn while

[vague barn]

Too many chefs in the kitchen can make for a poor cake.

[fleet robin]

they also got extra help with 2042

[flint atlas]

not if each chef is making a different cake

team for BR, team for portal, team for the main game

[mossy marten]

i think Ripple Effect is doing the "third mode" and Portal

[vague barn]

They're still making the same product, aren't they?

[flint atlas]

more so making many products under 1 theme

id assume theyd have shared assets but different skeletons

[fleet robin]

feel like so many modes in one release will just dilute the experience

[vague barn]

Idk I'm just not the trusting type when it comes to games these days.

[fleet robin]

alongside spreading the playerbase thin

[plain bluff]

i still dont get portal mode. does progression even exist there? rank ups, unlocks?

[fleet robin]

it's a sandbox type thing, just for fun

[flint atlas]

thats why you make the BR free to play like cod did

[fleet robin]

all attachments and guns are unlocked

[flint atlas]

portal is great in theory

[fleet robin]

portal is cheap nostalgia bait that was made to distract people from 2042 being a steaming pile of shit

[golden vortex]

2042 Portal has progression, unless you make it so its too easy to level, then the progression is slowed or turned off

[flint atlas]

custom servers in other games are where some of the best content is

[plain bluff]

if it was a real portal itd mimic the hype and atmosphere of previous games, but it doesnt

[fleet robin]

it's like modern warfare remastered being bundled with infinite warfare, they needed to soften the blow somehow

[timid needle]

so what was wrong with BF4s class system and field upgrades?

[flint atlas]

which is weird bc u can farm bots solo to unlock every gun and attachment at absurd speeds

[vague barn]

B a s e r a d.

[mossy marten]

except that portal was also quite a steaming pile

[fleet robin]

you can unlock everything up until the last attachment, then tier progression stops

[fleet robin]

not steaming enough considering how many people glazed it

[golden vortex]

Which is boring and a waste of time. Much more fun just progressing the normal way.

[mossy marten]

the only people that glaze it are those that run 1000% damage or those weird zombie servers

[feral garden]

Field upgrades resetting when you squad wipe made them rarely cared about outside of the always active first perk. Full squad wipes are super common

[flint atlas]

waste of time is very subjective, the bigger the games industry gets, the more games there are, the more valuable my time is, i dont really care about progression

u tell me i can get my red dot, grip and supressor in 5 minutes? im there

[vague barn]

suppressors? 👀

[flint atlas]

need supressor, must remain off mini map, must knife people

sometimes they turn around

[fleet robin]

this is something i agree with somewhat, i'm not a big fan of the traditional progression system where you level each gun individually for the same attachments. I think cod mw2 did it really well, where each gun has some unique attachments, and anything you unlock can be used on any other compatible gun

[vague barn]

Agreed, fellow suppressor enjoyer. Though I despise how they massacred suppressor efficiency in 2042, so I stopped playing that.

[flint atlas]

also it doesnt feel good that i have to spend time with a gun that doesnt function at full power bc i dont have an attachment in each slot

can i just unlock the gun and get every attachment with it too

[mossy marten]

i want a decent progression system. I want to grind stuff as well as play. If they give us a mastery skin that isn't total garbage/plain, then hell yeah.

[flint atlas]

grind camos, give me all the mechanical stuff without spending time

[fleet robin]

yeah same, i love a sense of progression and games lose a bit of the magic without progression, but at the same time i can't stand doing the same unlocks for each and every gun

camo grinds are great

[vague barn]

I'd prefer a Hardline-esque system for unlocking attachments for small arms. Basically you gain currency that you can spend as you please.

[fleet robin]

that worked pretty well too, gives the player some choice and lets them tailor their unlocks however they see fit

[vague barn]

I can't remember who it was but someone made a good suggestion close to that a few days ago, think it was the right honorable sir BSoD.

[feral garden]

the idea is basically robbed from Helldeivers 2, so not really my idea.

[vague barn]

This. Which I am in favor of, except the skins falling into the same system.

[mossy marten]

they could do a WW3 style system for attachments (the old one, not the current one) with the currencies and stuff

[fleet robin]

what's the current one, i lost track after the second relaunch of the game

[vague barn]

I was unaware of this until now as I have never played Helldivers 2, so that's why I referred to it as your idea.

[mossy marten]

CoD style with levelling guns

[feral garden]

For context, Helldivers does this with their Battle Passes.

[vague barn]

I should diversify my gaming library somewhat, I feel like whenever I come in here and people reference Helldivers, WW3, Call of Duty-series stuff, etc

[feral garden]

X items/skins cost Y currency. you earn that currency through game play/collection in missions

Helldivers 2 is both cheap (Comparitively) and a very good experience both solo, with randoms or with friends

[fleet robin]

not missing out on much tbh, ww3 is a failed battlefield killer that relaunched like 3 times and died every time, and cod hasn't been good in years

[feral garden]

WW3 is pretty bad tho, yeah.

[fleet robin]

only important things are a few mechanics here and there

[vague barn]

Call of Duty are more of a singleplayer experience as far as I am concerned.

[fleet robin]

ww3 was interesting, wish they'd actually done something with it

[feral garden]

Its had like...4(?) different devs and owners

[fleet robin]

used to be, i'd say

campaign is an afterthought nowadays

[vague barn]

I'll take your word for it. Haven't touched the series since World at War.

[fleet robin]

oh yeah lmao you'd be in shock

last good cod was 5 years ago and the last really good cod was 13 years ago

[vague barn]

Once again, I'll take your word for it.

I did see the Clean House mission or whatever it was called from Modern Warfare 2019 and was tempted.

[fleet robin]

that's the good one

campaign was fun

[vague barn]

But, like Jesus at the Mount of Temptation, I resisted once I realised; it's still a Call of Duty game.

[fleet robin]

pick it up if it costs less than a happy meal

[vague barn]

I might, time will tell.

Question; what are your thoughts on night modes in Battlefield? With night-vision devices, not just a night time map.

[fleet robin]

yes

[timid needle]

was this said in a trumpesque voice 😂

melee bad guys, each one of them, no stopping

[flint atlas]

no fuck that

[timid needle]

ahh the good ole EU, point taken

[timid needle]

YES and MORE YES

[vague barn]

Nice. Because I always thought it was a shame BF4 just had dark maps and you had to use flashlights and that kind of thing.

[spice bramble]

If they did it akin to Battlefield 1, where you had Nivelle Nights or Prise de Tahure then yeeeeee

[vague barn]

No idea how those worked.

[spice bramble]

Just look up gameplay

[vague barn]

Rogér

[spice bramble]

Night maps with NV aren't appealing to me

[flint atlas]

new MW3 had some quite dark maps, everyone had nightvision goggles and only high power scopes let you ADS, if you had a lower zoom you had a laser pointer, you could turn off the NVGs and hide the laser but it was harder to see

it was a bit of a trade off

do you take the nvg and give urself away or try see in the dark

[timid needle]

you had option of both

[flint atlas]

maybe it was only 1 map i think

yeah thats the point, it was trade off

personally i never liked lasers, i dont care how tight my hipfire spread is, ive killed so many players bc their laser gave them away but in that mode it was enjoyable

[spice bramble]

Lasers are useless

[flint atlas]

they arent useless i just dont think they're worth it personally

[spice bramble]

Not worth the trouble

[vague barn]

I assume that you don't find them appealing because you think it'd just be a white/green filter over a daytime-ish map?

Do correct me if I am wrong.

[flint atlas]

you could get some silly results on PDW's in bf4 with lasers and ergo grip

[spice bramble]

That's part of it, yeah. I just think that having some ambient lighting instead of NV would feel more atmospheric. What I imagine by playing a night map is just that, a map at night.

But I assume just making a map dark for NV wouldn't be that hard so why not have it, I'm not against it

[flint atlas]

id rather use flashlights and flares instead of nvgs

[spice bramble]

Same

Depending on how NV would work, you could potentially just play a day map with a filter over it

[vague barn]

Personally I would prefer to have the NV equipment, but not like Gen 4 tubes.

I realise this might be too milsim for a Battlefield game but like imagine intensification tubes, rather than goggles with integrated IR illuminators.

So tunnels and stuff, you would still need to use flashlights and artificial light sources, but outside it'd be more useful as it's amplifying the available light.

[spice bramble]

Sounds cool but would be too much hassle

They'd either do it my way or the easy NV way

If designing night maps specifically would be an easier option, that would be great

But that's just hogging time

[timid needle]

i thought that was fun as heck, played alot....https://youtu.be/PmfD48gnBxw?feature=shared brings back memories

[vague barn]

I guess that'd be one option, yeah.

[spice bramble]

I'll just say that I I'd like to play night maps for the atmosphere and not just for them being night maps

[vague barn]

Time, yes, but at least in my opinion, at some point towards the end of support for the game or for a season or something, night maps with image intensification devices would be pretty cool.

[spice bramble]

I need to get into that damn playtest

[feral garden]

Night maps like nivelle nights or Tehran highway are fine. But I dont think they should do actual dark night maps that require NVG or flash lights

[spice bramble]

If they actually wait all the way till March then that's a bummer

[spice bramble]

I'm more inclined to agree with this, yeah

Designing night maps as if it were the full moon out on a open field somewhere, when you can still see pretty much normally

Early morning setting could be a decent alternative

[vague barn]

I can't remember who it was that put this idea in here some time ago, but they mentioned a mode similar to grand operations from BFV where it progressively got darker/brighter per match. I.e. you could start at like evening, progress into dusk, then night, or start at night, then dawn, then morning.

[stray veldt]

that could be nice

and weather could change? so it starts with sun-ish weather or slightly overcast, and then it starts to rain, and wind blows etc

as darkness falls it's stormy and rainy

[fleet robin]

more dynamic maps would be great

[vague barn]

Yeah.

[timid needle]

that would be awesome

[spice bramble]

I'd like to actually see dark clouds for once

[vague barn]

Dynamic weather and like dusk/dawn maps would be cool.

[spice bramble]

They were in BF2042, but whateva

And rain

I really need a new PC

[timid needle]

need rain, affecting optics, footsteps squish

[spice bramble]

A fog to some extend would also be nice, although I didn't particularly enjoy it in BF1

[vague barn]

Just a light fog to add some ambience would be nice.

[spice bramble]

Yes yes

I'm hoping they don't slack of on little details like such

[vague barn]

Same goes for battle ambience imo

[timid needle]

hurricanes, massive rainforest or jungle map

[vague barn]

Like that picture you sent me, @spice bramble, from Paracel Storm in BF4. Just something to show that the battlefield you're playing on is a part of a bigger war, and not just an isolated battle.

[vague barn]

I kinda don't want extreme weather stuff, but rainforest and jungle maps, definitely.

[timid needle]

they have to have a cartel lab in the jungle id assume

well i for one enjoyed the levelevolution stuff personally

[spice bramble]

THat's Wake Island, but yes

Not just yes, I reaaaaaaalllyyyyy want it

Made me wonder what the BR map is going to look like

And also made me wonder if they could potentially make silly skins a BR only thing (if it comes to it)

[cedar flax]

Le falta crossplay

[timid needle]

Guilin Peaks!

[timid needle]

fav map of all time?

[proven briar]

Karkand

[twilit creek]

Metro all day long

[timid needle]

good choices

[half halo]

Karkand is amazing, but I will need to also say Ziba Tower for CQC, Alborz Mountain and a lot of maps of BF1 (yes, I'm biased asf)

Oddly enough, no maps from BF4 strike me as "best" or "most fun"

[timid needle]

i enjoyed zadov311

[coral glen]

Gulf of Oman

[clear viper]

My favorites from every game I've played:

1942: Wake Island
BC1: Valley Run
1943: Guadalcanal
BC2: Valapraiso
BF3: Caspian Border
BF4: Siege of Shanghai
BFH: Downtown
BF1: Paschendaele
BFV: Devastation
2042: Redacted

[timid needle]

which would you like to see a remake of?

[proud pawn]

They should just remake every map

[timid needle]

propaganda?

i mean idk how hard it would be to upscale some with todays technology from bf2/3/4

[wispy dagger]

I’d be ok with a few remakes

But I want new maps

[winged needle]

You missed:
Battlefield Heroes
Battlefield Play4Free
Battlefield VIetnam
Battlefield 2142

[pallid coral]

And become cod

[half halo]

Oh yes, BFBC2 had some bangers.

[clear viper]

That's because those are the games I haven't played, I said all my favorite maps of the games I've played lol

[timid needle]

well not necessarily, just per say a new map with hints from old

[pallid coral]

i meant to reply to the msg below u my bad

[timid needle]

lol all good

[pallid coral]

They should just remake every map

[timid needle]

yeah we dont need that

[mossy marten]

Disagree
But a museum remake (layout at least, maybe like a office building in an urban setting instead of an actual museum would be dope

[alpine rock]

caspian border

seine crossing and pearl market tied for second

[timid needle]

guilin peaks and zadov 311/ graveyard

[alpine rock]

guilin is pretty good too, don't see it come up in map rotations that often but it's a fun map

I like the tunnels that connect different objectives, great feature

[timid needle]

yeah that was alot of fun

and I loved the night map

[alpine rock]

zavod graveyard servers died before I really had a chance to play them

the few matches I remember were really fun though

[timid needle]

yeah sneakin up flashlight then knife

ok how about worst map?

[alpine rock]

rogue transmission and altai range

rogue is just flat out boring with the only interesting thing being the levolution set piece and altai is just TDM for LAVs

[timid needle]

and id also say nosahar canals top 3

[alpine rock]

nosehair canals was definitely great

[blissful jolt]

@dice invite me to your stockholm offices

I will beat your ass at table tennis

try me

[nimble bridge]

I hope next BF won't turn to Fortnite just like CoD

[vocal tulip]

🍌

[winged needle]

I hope it leans towards Fortnite.

[pallid coral]

I hope it leans towards Fortnite.

[slow apex]

From the looks of the teaser it thankfully does not look anything like Fortnite 🙏

[nimble bridge]

Don't ever look up to the first teaser of Black Ops 6 And the current event they have

[untold escarp]

Y there a labs channel if ppl arnt allowed to talk about it?

[slow apex]

Luckily I never played any Cod games because they were always dumb. Cod deserves what is happening to it.

[plain bluff]

i was just going through my pre-launch 2042 criticism and boy, do things hold up

wont post any here because it'd clog up the feed

[rustic crest]

I wanna unlock the bypod for my bypod on my knife dice... please?

[feral garden]

Nice list! I agree with lots of it. Just goes to show you how many great maps past games had.

[covert nest]

I think one big just goes into how easy they were to play but also having that lasting power.

[south flicker]

I hope there will be no Battle royale in the next Battlefield 😭🙏 I PRAY TO GOD! Let Battlefield be Battlefield! It doesn't need to copy other dead games like CoD… Battlefield does not need 12 year olds in their game!!

Oh devs! I pray you see my heartfelt message,😭🙏

[plain bluff]

unfortunately, there will be

and the game will be deisgned to "extract maximum revenue"

their quote, not mine

[covert nest]

I pray for your usage of emotes like that.

There's so much wrong with what you said its hilarious.

[tepid plinth]

It’s basically just a ‘discuss ideas for the next game’ chat now. Which is fun

It’s a valid point though lol

[pallid zephyr]

As mentioned recently I’ve just returned to battlefield, most of my gaming is a social thing with friends who mainly play COD, coming back to battlefield has made playing cod a pointless circle running experience, and is just not doing it for me, I’ve fount battlefield hard work, it seams a lot harder to kill anything than I remember or getting to an area where I get the chance to kill.being taken out by snipers on route or just loosing a straight up gun fight with an enemy, I’m currently a level 30 and don’t have most of the weapons or attachment open, what classes and set up would alleviate some frustration,
I’d like to see in the next instalment of BF a restriction of the amount of snipers in game lobby ??

[feral garden]

Play as support, Falck.

[nimble bridge]

Zain with armor plates

[feral garden]

They are the medic. They can infinitely heal themselves, and re-supply themselves when equipped with ammo box/ammo pouches

If they are struggling to kill, playing Zain isnt going to do much for them. Its also an extremely un battlefield character. So if its their intention to learn a playstyle that will likely exist in the next game, Falck is the better option (IMO)

Also stay away from 128 player matches as a new player TBH. If thats what you are playing.

[plain bluff]

id stay away from 128 as any type of bf player

[nimble bridge]

👆

[nimble bridge]

I find armor plates essential in 2042

[feral garden]

Must...resist...making....skill issue....joke

😄

Armor plates are a crutch. I hate that they didnt remove them with class rework

[nimble bridge]

I'll do anything to mess with my opponents' TTK

[plain bluff]

128 players is as cluttered as the reveal trailer. hell, even the labs teaser has too much stuff going on

[nimble bridge]

Especially when they are running shotguns

Shotguns has like 20 meters effective range

[feral garden]

DID SOMEONE SAY "LABS TRAILER".

[plain bluff]

look at that garbage. theyre two soldiers models over the count

there has to be a reason why they started to cram so many soldiers into videos

every shot feels busy for no reason

[feral garden]

Its a hype reel

[plain bluff]

you hype with taste, not with amount

we arent at a buffet

[nimble bridge]

Everyone uses M4 too, they were very stingy with what they are showing

[plain bluff]

that is excusable for alpha, but one or two more primaries would spice it up

[feral garden]

Past BF games look like this TBH tho. Some of the best maps from BF3/4 like Seine Crossing, Grand Bazaar, Pearl Market look like this.

[plain bluff]

im talking about player count, and explosions. making a shot look too busy blunts the experince

specifically the first one with the bus

theres like 6 soldiers there. you can take away half of them and it'd feel more genuine

up until then it was tolerable

[feral garden]

But your average viewer will say "wow, this looks boring"

[plain bluff]

but enough about normies who have no taste in cinematics

[feral garden]

Cinematic capture is a job in DICE afterall. they want it to have as much "sizzle" as possible

[spice bramble]

I would totally rather see someone running in a plain field tbh

[plain bluff]

you cant tell me people will go decades looking at trailers and develop an understanding of what feels right for presentation videos, trailers and teasers

[nimble bridge]

One thing I like is that we don't see anything crazy in terms of weapon customization, hope we will have 4 attachments system and not 200 attachments unlike CoD or DF

[plain bluff]

bf4's launch trailer is exquisite. bf3 caspian border is excellent. bf2 trailer is simply honest.

[nimble bridge]

This is a copy of BF3's first fault line teaser tbh

Fault line was singleplayer mission this isn't but still

[plain bluff]

the fault line teaser was paced accordingly and professionally

it kept the story under wraps and action well contained

until we see a similar video for bf25/26, then we can judge the talent behind it

[spice bramble]

BF2042 trailer also made no sense

People clumped up like it was a medieval battle but with guns

Bunch of em standing randomly out of cover

Labs gameplay was decent I dont see the problem

[plain bluff]

its just clutter slop

2042 that is

i already said labs is a bit busy but its miles better than the former

[spice bramble]

its busy to sell the idea of big playercount

[nimble bridge]

I think almost all the BF trailers are good, BF trailer team always cooks

[spice bramble]

and a big battle

[plain bluff]

yeah but it was presented really badly

[spice bramble]

dunno

dont care tbh

[feral garden]

I don't know what more you can expect in a 10 second clip for a playtest platform, thats probably not allowed to show a lot at this stage.

[fleet robin]

the orbital teasers with people standing on the launch pad with absolutely zero cover in sight

[abstract sapphire]

Does anyone else think the next battlefield game should have proximity chat for teammates? Would be better for communicating strats and overall game experience?

[feral garden]

If added, it should be optional.

[rapid fox]

Where this from?

[feral garden]

The BF labs trailer

[rapid fox]

Not the one from 4feb right?

[feral garden]

There is only one

https://tenor.com/view/highlander-sword-chris-lambert-polishing-smile-gif-17576247

[rapid fox]

This looks like a promo teaser or smth

And quality is too good 😄

[feral garden]

Its clipped and edited from this

https://youtu.be/_fGteYuaNxA?si=A-wu1kw3Q5seC9pI

[rapid fox]

Ah roger thanks. Nice job!~

[wise bolt]

Yo

[twilit pilot]

tree

[signal vigil]

So is every battlefield trailer from recent years? They’re known for their bombastic teasers and trailers. Like they’ve always been that way 😅 don’t understand why you’re so peeved about it

[plain bluff]

youre making me wonder whether people even appreciate the subtleties of making a trailer without cramming as much sh*t into the shot as possible

[fleet robin]

yeah i mean it's battlefield, they want to give the impression of action, chaos, whatever

and clearly it worked if we look at how successful 2042's marketing was

cod will show you maybe 5 people on screen, battlefield shows you 30

also, though maybe less important, they can show off more animations

[plain bluff]

at which point is "many people" too many?

because you can show scale through foreground and background action, not just running soldiers sorrounded by explosions and vehicles

[fleet robin]

depends on the scene imo, 2042 i think had a few shots with way too many people where it just looked silly, but for this teaser i think it was mostly fine

except maybe the one where they're running past the bus

[plain bluff]

my point exactly

[versed token]

Imagine complaining about things that aren't even an issue