battlefield-labs-discussion

[alpine rock]

I got killed by a UCAV six times in one match on Hangar 21 and nearly logged off

all by the same player

sitting at the edge of the map ofc

[vague barn]

Yep

[alpine rock]

cool gadget ruined by the fact that it's available on every respawn so people just spam it

should have been locked behind a timer after each use

[vague barn]

I don't like the UCAV idea because it's basically trying to counter campers by introducing another way to camp.

[alpine rock]

yep

[tepid plinth]

Same for me and mortars

Like I get the benefits of killing campers and such with it, but it’s just sort of hypocritical

[mild girder]

Why tho? The game will look „horrible“ since it’s still in alpha and things will change till its release. Many people will be disappointed when they see leaked gameplay bc they set their expectations too high for alpha playtest

[jaunty jetty]

🥹

[tepid plinth]

Can’t wait for people to play the test build and say ‘it looks underdeveloped’

[jaunty jetty]

what did you say

[tepid plinth]

Lê whãt

[tepid plinth]

I said can’t wait for people to play the test build and say ‘it looks underdeveloped’

[jaunty jetty]

i know what you said, i just meme the previous battlefield when they first released

[delicate frigate]

Let me blow up my enemies with FPV drone, boy!

Bro, I think an FPV drone can be added to the game. However, it can only be used once per player. The player carries a briefcase, hides somewhere, there's a little animation of him taking out the drone and the "VR" glasses and that's it.

Or only a specific class can operate the Drone.

[plain bluff]

man, they should revive the artillery concept from 1942

[delicate frigate]

But would that make sense in the context of the game?

Forgive my ignorance, but as far as I know, the classic artillery barrages are no longer used like they used to be. Today, everything is remote-controlled...

guided missiles

[plain bluff]

have you taken a look at todays battlefield?

drones nowadays are the ideal spotting tool for the king of battle: artillery

[delicate frigate]

Explain

[plain bluff]

the only people using massed artillery today are russians, with likely candidates being the PLA and NK armed forces

[tepid plinth]

Would rather not, would only be annoying to deal with

C4 drones were bad enough

Ones that can drop grenades? Nah

[plain bluff]

as soon as the proliferation of reliable continuous surveillance arrived, artillery got an important role of cheap and rapid target destruction on the front line

[covert nest]

Yeah but that's not fun to fight.

[plain bluff]

you can have various gun and rocket artillery systems, but all of them should me map or minimap aimed.

artillery was a thing in armored kill so i wish it makes a comeback

[delicate frigate]

No. I'm talking about the ones that have a small "missile" that detonates when it hits a surface.

[tepid plinth]

So a UCAV? The most annoying gadget known to man in bf4? Amazing

[delicate frigate]

The ones that eject grenades would be very unbalanced. And another thing, if you were to consider it, would be at most 2 grenades.

[delicate frigate]

Classical artillery is not cool in modern warfare, but it is an interesting suggestion. This is because today precision is more important than simply devastating a single inland area to kill a single squad or armored vehicle. An artillery shell, especially a guided one, is not cheap.

[plain bluff]

youre misunderstanding

google Panzerhaubitze 2000

or MSTA-S

[delicate frigate]

That’s why drones are a top priority on the battlefield today. Depending on the model, they are effective, accurate and cheap to operate and purchase.

[plain bluff]

Ceasar, Archer

[tepid plinth]

You are all forgetting the rule of cool

[plain bluff]

theyre all artillery pieces made for shoot and scoot, rapid deployment of shells

[tepid plinth]

That’s what truly defines if something is worth adding

[plain bluff]

the zoomer equivalent of massed artillery. and if we're talking context of the game, why not?

its not like we know how the game is like

[tepid plinth]

While I’m not a fan of artillery itself in bf, whether it’s in use now or not should be irrelevant

[plain bluff]

barely armored box with beeg gun = cool

[delicate frigate]

I'm confused, maybe my ignorance is eating my brain. Nah...

[plain bluff]

one google search away

[delicate frigate]

[plain bluff]

the artillery im proposing is a combo of bf1942 and armored kill. not hard to grasp

[delicate frigate]

Artillery was interesting in times like WW1 for example. It was cool when a battleship from that time devastated a single location with heavy artillery. It used about 10 or 12 shells just to kill an entire infantry unit.

[plain bluff]

okay, we're definitely not on the same page

[delicate frigate]

Sorry man, I don't understand you. I'll look at what you said here and tell you what I think.

[plain bluff]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Lithuanian_PzH_2000_(2).jpg/1920px-Lithuanian_PzH_2000_(2).jpg

embed you f*cker

what?

im cursing at discord

[delicate frigate]

Oh

[tepid plinth]

Laugh that this user

Imagine members being able to post links

[delicate frigate]

Was the image supposed to be uploaded?

[plain bluff]

who knows. permissions are weird

[delicate frigate]

Bruh

But in short: you want classic artillery in a game possibly set in a modern war in 2025, right?

That's what I understood.

I think there was a misinterpretation here...

[steel torrent]

I want 2 seat jets

or heavy bombers

[low vine]

limiting explosion spam should be priority, delta force is very bad spam and battlefield 4 had a similar problem with it

[quiet helm]

One thing we haven't seen yet in BF is a way for squad leaders to communicate, or the commander to mic in to different squads and give them verbals. At least I don't think so. There's been several times where I thought that would be useful.

[tepid plinth]

just general local prox chat, or vehicle chat, would be fab

[stoic belfry]

I agree, squad members should be talking to each other, squad leaders should be talking to each other and to the commander too Mic i mean

[tepid plinth]

could be the first step towards helping drive teamplay through intrinsic motives over just score

[versed token]

Proximity chat would work better than squad lead chat

[vague barn]

I have a suspicion that is because squad leaders generally have very little practical "authority"/"power" so they don't really have a need for a way to communicate between squad leaders, since they typically won't have any way to give directives and ensuring they are followed.

RE: Proxy chat, I honestly am very torn on this topic because I know that mic spam and general derogatory speech would no doubt be used extensively.

On the other hand, it'd be nice because it might encourage more teamwork.

[feral garden]

Mostly because players attempting to communicate and coordinate like this would make things more confusing, not less.

Players don't even use voice chat in Battlefield. Most don't even use text chat.

[steel torrent]

a way to promote the squad leader role would be to allow them for example to ping enemies or vehicles for everyone while each squad member can only ping them for the squad

this would make the squad leader important as it can raise awareness between squads

I think Hell Let Loose does this impecably

but is in part because the role has many more functions

[vague barn]

No. No, no, no. No. I would rather not my ability to aid my team in target acquisition be wholly dependent on a random person I do not know.

[steel torrent]

I think it would be great for the squad leader to be able to call in bomb runs, call for vehicle reinforcements etc, maybe implement BF4 "commander" thing into the squad leader

[vague barn]

Furthermore, it'd make recce class almost useless for stuff other than sniping.

[steel torrent]

you can fix that with gadgets

there many ways to make it work

I think snipers being able to ping stuff for whole team is OP

then everyone would be running snipers

the idea is to give value to the role and ensure at least someone in your group wants to play sniper

[vague barn]

I understand what you're saying but I do not agree with it one bit. Limiting the recce class' ability to do reconnaissance is, to me, insanity.

I don't think limiting team-wide spotting to squad leaders would in any way be beneficial.

[steel torrent]

have you played hell let loose?

team coordination there is everything

[vague barn]

I have, and I do not think that game is something Battlefield should strive to imitate.

[steel torrent]

by no means

but the squad communication system and pinging is great

and encourages teamplay and communication

[vague barn]

I've played Squad, Hell Let Loose, Post Scriptum, Arma Reforger and play Arma 3 on a regular basis, so I am very aware of how those kinds of games work.

But keep in mind that Battlefield is significantly faster paced and arcade than any of those games, or all of them put together.

[pulsar latch]

BF needs to be its own

[vague barn]

Having to have your squad leader spot enemies for them to appear to the team would not be a good decision imo. It'd discourage spotting if anything, and it'd hamper the enjoyment of the squad leader because he would constantly have to open the map and place markers, or be in such proximity to his squad mates that he could see the same targets. And given that this is Battlefield, where playstyles can vary drastically between players, I just don't think that system would be in any way beneficial or worthwhile to even explore as an option.

Targets are far too fleeting and mobile for it to be viable.

[agile sand]

what about jets/ helicopters having to fly over there air bases to resupply, like back in the original BF2 pc days?

[pulsar latch]

This is also a thing in BF V
And think its great

[pallid zephyr]

Hi All, I’ve been battlefield from 1942 and played through most titles to present day, ive always want to be able to bring in bigger party’s, multiple friends in multiple squads., I was also hoping for a multi mode concept that’s starts with a big map concept like conquest to capture an area, that evolves to rush for the top 50% of ingame players, who then play the next mode, then on to a new mode to capture an objective(blow something’s up), maybe part of a battle royal or extraction, what’s your thoughts

[pulsar latch]

MultiMode sounds like a great idea for the franchise
This is something they can test in my opinion 👍

[versed token]

Booting half the lobby is an awful idea

[pallid zephyr]

Not really you play a game normally any and it end for everyone, in multi mode the top players on either side will progress to the next stage, let say you start a multi mode with 60player then at the end of the first stage it’s broken down to 40 players, then down to 30player for a TDM or FLine you could go further and have 20player then just 2 squad left

[vague barn]

So basically, Operations from BFV, but only the top 50% would progress to the next "day" each time?

That sounds like a really, really bad idea.

[versed token]

Still a bad idea to constantly split lobbies

[vague barn]

Agreed.

[covert nest]

Splitting lobbies is an awful idea.

[nimble bridge]

It is about kill counts because people who has high KD also has high WL ratio

[nimble bridge]

I think it would be a good decision, or even better, 3D spots should appear for only among same squad. If someone else on the team spots they should be only 2D spotted.

[nimble bridge]

So? Grand operations from BFV?

[pulsar latch]

I miss the Levolution from BF4, hope they bring back those sick map events

[pallid zephyr]

Let’s forget splitting lobby’s for a moment my wishlist was for a multi mission concept where you start with a big conquest type battle with all the vehicles in play, once you’ve achieved your first objective and capture blown something up, you redirect your assets for the next assault where you mite not need 60 players per team, and the only way to do so would be to use the the score board to give you the appropriate amount of players for the next mission, Conquest-Rush- frontline TDM.

Conquest - big area- rush to objectives-frontline -to Capture blow something up to-TDM small area fire fights

Let’s call it multi mission mode
Capture the battle space. Rush to objectives
Frontline to secure or blow up something
TDM small area fire fights Let’s call before extraction

[versed token]

Why forget about the part that makes the mode awful

[nimble bridge]

Grand operations works like that

First match conquest, second match rush, third match breakthrough

Or something like that

[versed token]

Yes he's describing Grand Operations

But adding on splitting the lobby

[mossy marten]

I just hope the LTMs don't suck

[vague barn]

I could get behind that idea, having 3D spotting only intra-squad and 2D spotting only for other squads.

[nimble bridge]

We need less doritos on the screen, more situational awareneess

[pallid zephyr]

Are they flaming Hot Dorito’s ??

[mossy marten]

cool ranch

[pallid zephyr]

Just finished working, off to turn on the Xbox laters

[heady thorn]

[mossy marten]

[heady thorn]

[half halo]

[cursive ridge]

[quiet helm]

Yeah you are corrext. I guess it would probably have to be more like a selection of commands than full on comms. Like what we already had with BF4 commander.

[quiet helm]

you don't like crunchy red doritos?

[quiet helm]

Unless they boost it by quitting every match they lose. (high quit percentage was a rage topic on battlelog lol)

did we lose emote reactions? ugh.

[bleak scarab]

I know they had a drone in 2042 but I couldn't drop explosive or ram them into people. All it did was just disable tanks and annoy them

[feral garden]

The UCAV in BF4 is largely hated by the community. IMO, indirect fire weaponry should limited, if even in the game at all

[young remnant]

should be NOT skill based, but situation based. Bacause someone getting very good will still make it broken

ie. only usefull in indoors and doorways, only usefull in outside very open, usefull in team coordination

[feral garden]

Having limited indirect fire weapons is OK, as long as it takes time to setup, aim and use.

Things like mortars.

[vague barn]

And are not remote controlled, I would add to that.

[feral garden]

I also quite liked the mini recon plane in bf4.

[versed token]

I don't think they would ever add equipment or gadgets that takes time to set up

[young remnant]

easly counter fired

[young remnant]

mav of suav?

[feral garden]

Suav, both really

[young remnant]

only if laser lock worked as it shoudl

[versed token]

They should bring back the MAV so recons can float around in mid air

[half halo]

I hope there is no cheesy point and Click Artillery Truck in the next BF

[feral garden]

Bf3 mortar was pretty good. The remote one in bf4 was pretty crap. There was no risk to using it.

[steel torrent]

mortar should come back

[versed token]

Remote mortar is very silly

Dunno how they even came to the conclusion that it would be fun to play against

[nimble bridge]

You could C5 it and make it explode among enemy players, but they nerfed it, it's very slow now

[feral garden]

Maybe mortars should be a buildable reenforcement.

That would at least allow them to better balance it's use, occurance and placement

Basically the same as placed artillery in bf1/5

[vague barn]

If we absolutely undeniable 100% need to have indirect fire in the game then that is how it should be imo

Personally I would rather not have mortars or any kind of indirect fires, except as a callin from maybe a potential commander

[past furnace]

How about the artillery truck from BF4? That was always fun to locate in their spawn, chopper in and C4.

[frank pendant]

Personally wish they would take inspiration from BF2, artillery was in a fixed position in main base, only useable by a commander and was destroyable with C4

[versed token]

Having to death dive the enemy spawn doesn't sound fun

[feral garden]

An artillery truck that needs to rely on squad pings for targeting.

It can obviously see the map details/topography and where they are shooting, but maybe not spotted soldiers?

A way to allow indirect fire weapons like this to exist, but not end up super n00b friendly point and click to kill cannons and spammy would be nice.

[tepid plinth]

Would be really interested in seeing how my support specific pings would work out. Stuff like that, placing a marker that the person in that vehicle sees

They can then get points for fulfilling it, and people on the frontline place them so you know they have some value

[feral garden]

A special type of spot/designation that can only be done with a recon scope/binoculars would be interesting.

[tepid plinth]

Cause yeah, having said mortars but you have to know the flow of the map to know where to fire it, or use those support markers could be a potential alternative

Was having a discussion like this with someone else earlier in fact

[mossy marten]

E-Mail

[versed token]

E-Male

[mossy marten]

Cyber-Pigeon

[woeful sluice]

Still no news huh

[quaint peak]

having the server join waiting list in battlefield 4 was a great feature it allowed players to go do other stuff while waiting to get into their favorite custom games and honestly it was a small but very useful feature that i miss

and i loved the greeting on the main menu where it said "happy monday (username)"

for whatever day it was

[cinder nymph]

Two features that have to go away are 1. AI Bots, cause it litteraly diminishes any fun that a multiplayer game can give in this era of oversaturation. 2. Freedom to mod servers as much as in bf2024, cause that splits the community, it creates a confusion about what the game really is, and having to choose through so many options litteraly disengages the players. BF4 and BF1 did great on filling qeues even without that stuff..

[quaint peak]

oh and the straight pull bolt for snipers needs to come back

[delicate frigate]

No Battle Royale 😭

Nobody likes Battle Royale in 2025

[grand cloak]

Ucav

[pallid zephyr]

What about this for big map game play, mid game play or when a team reaches a set number of point the 4 top player spawn as a SF element for a set period of time or for 1life, get dropped undetected behind the enemy lines to cause confusion totally undetectable on map

[pallid coral]

Optional bots sound completely fine in custom games

I just don't want them to fill up on regular servers where you can hopefully disable them

a 16v16 human game is more fun for me than a 32v32 game where half of them are bot s

[leaden trout]

🇲🇰

[half halo]

BREAKING NEWS: I have received an email from EA!!! About Sims

[fallen fox]

defuse need it back

[quaint peak]

my life is fulfilled i finally got to see the megaladon easter egg in game

btw the megaladon is frozen in one of the ice mountains in breakaway 2042

[half halo]

Nice

[sage vault]

✅

[gilded rivet]

counter strike…

[fallen fox]

relly

[grim jewel]

We're def getting some sort of BR or PvPvE mode that ripple effect is working on, and to say noone likes BR's anymore, the player count on BR games doesn't support that.

Especially with the rumors that BF wants something living along side the MP/Campaign releases ala Warzone to COD, and with Beade being the GM of BF...yeah. Expect BF's version of Warzone or DMZ

[pallid coral]

Honestly if they remade and upgraded Firestorm I'd actually play the shit out of it

The atmosphere of that gamemode was low-key fire, reminded me of bf1

[fallen fox]

we can also be getting what we had on battlefild 3 coop but with more player on the game with a different mecanics or some

[signal vigil]

I’d love a BR Battlefield mode. As long as it’s fun and well realized and tries to innovate then heck yeah

[ebon beacon]

If there were a co-op mode, I'd like to see procedurally generated destructible cities (See Battlefield 3, Six Days in Fallujah) with random objectives to complete, for endless replayability. Yes, I am a Helldivers 2 fan

[stuck dock]

This is a a terrible take. Bots are more useful than the absolute brainded sniper campers that have the IQ of a monkey.
Bots actually try to play the objective and even go in for revives. Not only that, after the game stops getting support and everyone moves on, you can still have full matches because they exist.

Unlike older BF's that don't have them where, barring a small niche of popular servers with some arbitrary rules, its impossible to find full games.

Bots are a net positive long term.

[sacred forge]

I would love a DMZ style mode. Was so good in cod before they nerfed it and then killed it off

[vague barn]

is gaem out yet

[wispy dagger]

Yes did you not get your email

[vague barn]

no

[wispy dagger]

They shadow dropped

[wispy dagger]

You only had 26 minutes to redeem it unfortunately

[vague barn]

darned it

[wispy dagger]

Launched 27 mins ago

[ancient lark]

They doubled the operators from 2042!

[vague barn]

Most unfortunate.

[wispy dagger]

lol nothing yet

[noble jetty]

game actually came out last year

[ancient lark]

Double the operators, double the catchy tag lines... double the fun!

[vague barn]

In all honesty, I do like the idea of having 2 subclasses per class.

[wispy dagger]

Yes agreed

[pallid coral]

I would kill to play BFH again 64 players

As much as it's hated, it's one of my fav games

[cedar flax]

No it isn’t

[cedar flax]

He’s trolling you

[mossy marten]

one singular german server on weekends get's nearly full
PC tho

[stuck dock]

I never got to play BFH when it was active, it ended up being the one i skipped on launch and never really looked into it

[pallid coral]

Yeah I play that occasionally

But the ping isn't the best for me

[brittle compass]

hell yeah

[gritty hearth]

Aren't AI Bots useful for new players though?

Games have changed nowadays and we're no longer in the day and age where in order to learn people have to play with strictly humans in order to get better since the learning curve for games now is very steep.

There are both positives and negatives to having AI bots but the same goes for real player teammates.

[tepid plinth]

having them as a learning tool in a separate mode is fine, but playing against them in matches is just not fun

[gritty hearth]

I disagree personally, but my opinion isn't valid as I've not played a multiplayer match of Battlefield before (I've always wanted to) so my opinion isn't really valid.

[tall urchin]

Multiplayer is the last space to play against bots

[mossy marten]

☝️

[pallid coral]

Well with the addition of portal, I'm sure they'll give an option for them

[minor linden]

Imo bots should only be in a separate mode or as an opt-in server option for low-pop servers

There's really no need for them on decently populated servers since it's back to 64 players

[rustic crest]

It's been 2 weeks since the announcement of BF Labs. When do you think invites will be sent ?

[minor linden]

🤷‍♂️ we probably won't be told when they're sent

[gritty hearth]

When they're ready.

[cinder fox]

BF multiplayer bots are pretty god awful too. I think they should only exist if a PvE mode/training mode, or if you're in a region that entirely lacks other players (like many do in 2042)

[gritty hearth]

End of.

[vague barn]

Battlefield bots suffer from the same problem as all bots do...

They're bots.

[gritty hearth]

I heard they are, but that's a problem I think can be fixed. Speaking of PvE modes, aside from campaign of course...extraction shooter mode for BF? I know it happened in 2042 but perhaps it could be done better?

[vague barn]

They'll never be subject to the same uncertainty and IFF as human players.

[gritty hearth]

Not all bots suck, dude.

[vague barn]

They do. Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of having bots in multiplayer in a separate mode, but I don't want a bot to spot me concealed in the terrain, fire at me and thereby reveal my position to enemy human players.

[cinder fox]

God I hope not, I don't even want a BR mode or another extraction crap. Just make a good multiplayer. BF campaigns are largely crap too

[vague barn]

Which you might think "ah that won't happen", but my experience in 2042 has proven otherwise.

[vague barn]

A no from me on the extraction shooter mode. I want Battlefield to focus on being a Battlefield game, not an extraction or battle royale.

[gritty hearth]

I'm loving BF4's right now.

[gritty hearth]

If it did, it would have to be strictly PvE and not PvPvE. Though I understand where you're coming from.

[vague barn]

I agree BF campaigns haven't been anything noteworthy. I wish campaigns would be expanded into separate campaign storylines that are introduced alongside the seasons. Let's say there's a new campaign story released semi-seasonally, i.e. every second season drops with a new campaign storyline aligned to the contents of the season.

[minor linden]

Not all bots are terrible, but making good bots takes up way too much time that they could spend making the game itself better

(If you want to see good bots, look at games like insurgency: sandstorm)

[cinder fox]

Hell, of all the times a campaign could have been good or useful would have been 2042 to reinforce the 'lore'. Instead we got quips from specialists completely at odds with what they were trying to push as a background

[vague barn]

Let's say, for example, it's a winter season release, the campaign storyline for that could be high north maps.

Say in the interest of securing resources in the arctic or some such.

It gives additional storytelling singleplayer experiences for the people who like that sort of thing, and helps develop and build the world as the game ages.

[minor linden]

That could work, but it depends on how they do the story

If it's about 1 team doing cod-like missions, that wouldn't be good

But if it's a full-on war story, then that would be perfect

[gritty hearth]

But wouldn't that make it EXCLUSIVE to the season it was in? Say what you want about CoD I liked the way they did it. Where they'd have the main campaign and then expand on it in the game's six seasons (except for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III, I don't know what happened there), Battlefield should do the same.

[vague barn]

The purpose of having a "new" story each iteration would be to have a better chance of having a good story. So instead of one campaign with a cointoss of being good or bad, you get several chances at making a good story.

[vague barn]

If it were up to me, I would focus on a separate "unit" per storyline.

[vague barn]

I don't know how it works in CoD so I can't speak intelligently on that subject, but since that has never stopped anyone else on the internet from speaking, it won't stop me either: That sounds like a good idea.

[minor linden]

Yea. Would def work if it was like 1 and V's war stories

Though, I assume they'd be full campaigns instead of a few missions each

[vague barn]

Yeah, exactly, but I imagine that it would give Criterion (or whichever studio it was that focused on singleplayer experiences) something to do, and the semi-seasonal schedule gives time to develop a full campaign.

[vague barn]

I never tried BF1s war stories, but I did play through BFV's and really liked the FORMAT, if not the CONTENT.

[gritty hearth]

They can use that to introduce new guns and attachments, which I'm sure they already do.

[minor linden]

For a second I forgot that Criterion wasn't Visceral. Was gonna say that I wouldn't be against them doing another Hardline instead of an on-going campaign

Most def won't happen since Visceral shut down tho

[minor linden]

That reminds me of 4's system where you'd unlock MP guns through the campaign. Would be interesting if they brought that back

[vague barn]

I figure that'd be an alternative way to engage the player in the storyline, having the relevant weapons for the season be unlocked through the season campaign rather than battle pass or some such. Season 1 could be 2042 esque battle pass progression based weapon unlocks, Season 2 would release with a campaign story where you would unlock the various weapons along the way.

[vague barn]

This is basically what I am proposing they do. It'd make people play through the campaigns and engage more with the worldbuilding elements.

[gritty hearth]

Sounds tuff, ngl. I'd be down for that actually.

[vague barn]

So instead of an in-game announcer 20 second summary and a external blog post, you would have an in-game interactive experience with in-game rewards.

[minor linden]

The one issue I can see with having it replace the battle pass is that EA would def make people have to pay to play the season's "war campaign"

[vague barn]

Probably, yes, because building a new story is no doubt expensive, even though they could probably just hire an impoverished officer cadet from the Swedish Defence University to write a story.

[gritty hearth]

💀

It's funny because you're right.

[vague barn]

So there would have to be some monetary transaction involved somewhere in the equation, because that's how companies work.

[gritty hearth]

"Play the Season Two's War Campaign all for the low price of £49.99!"

😭

[vague barn]

I suppose one could have the premium battle pass unlock the new weapons/equipment immediately, bringing in some dough from those that have no interest in the singleplayer story.

It wouldn't be "pay-to-win" because anyone could play the story and get them for free, but those who don't want to spend the time to do so can just cheap out on it.

[cinder fox]

I don't love the idea of forcing players to play the campaign to get weapons. Maybe some attachment or skin or it being an alternative way to unlock them though

Honestly I'd prefer just going back to BF premium but that probably won't ever happen again

[vague barn]

Unfortunately very unlikely.

[cinder fox]

The problem with the continued storyline issue is that if you run into issues of playerbase dropping off it will be among the first content dropped. Just look at how 2042 drip fed content after the playerbase tanked and they had to spend a year fixing it

[minor linden]

Y'know, the more I think about it the less bad it seems

Having it be locked behind a paywall might seem bad at first, but it'd mean that the stories would have to actually be interesting for people to want to buy them. And for anybody who just wants to pay upfront to get all future releases (or X future releases), there could be a "premium" system just like the old days

I would prefer for it to be free, but it being paid could have some perks

[vague barn]

How would you feel about a system where you can either:

1. Unlock the equipment via regular battle pass progression, or
2. Via the season campaign, or
3. Buying into the premium battle pass and skipping X levels.

[cinder fox]

Works for me

[minor linden]

I don't see that as much of a problem considering each season would likely be a self-contained story with big set-pieces connecting the different stories

[vague barn]

So it wouldn't force anyone to play the campaign, but doing so would be a middle ground between unlocking the equipment in a traditional "grind" fashion, and just paying cash-money to acquire them straight away.

[minor linden]

Could be cool if the campaign route gave you a skin for the gun. Just so there'd be a small reason for MP players to play the campaign

[vague barn]

Yeah, I guess that might persuade some people to play the campaign even if they had acquired the weapon through non-campaign methods.

So, three options basically:

1. Acquire the weapon alone through regular progression. (Slowest)
2. Acquire the weapon and a unique skin through the campaign.
3. Acquire the weapon alone through purchasing the battle pass. (Fastest)

Anyways, I am going to sleep.

Adíos

[ebon beacon]

Disagree! While the current iteration of bots sucks, if they had their own hit animations and had better kill feedback, they could work. Think Titanfall 1, where the NPCs populating the map felt like they belonged and had stuff to do, and weren't a total substitute for enemy players. They behaved like the AI enemies you would find in a singleplayer game.

[tepid plinth]

Because there’s meant to be a clear power difference between the two. You are the pilot dashing around like nobody’s business, they are the grunts, cannon fodder but integral to the game’s scoring system. If the ai in battlefield was made to give you a similar power feel, I’d still wonder why bother including them. They are meant to be substitutes for players, and as they are now, not fun to fight

[feral garden]

They are fine to use as partial server fillers imo. Many modes and regions would just be completely dead and the game 100% unplayable without them in 2042.

[winged needle]

Suggestion for BF 2025:

• Weapon tiers with better stats which you can win from Battle Packs. Packs can be obtained by membership, premium battle pass, activity based rewards, or an in-game shop. Offer an alternative by allowing players to purchase tiered weapons through topping up. For example, a golden tier sniper allows for faster quick scoping compared to a silver one. An incentive for EA Play membership would be 1 free random tier weapon per month. No duplicates.
• Emojis, dances, and skins would be a fun way for a battle pass. Emojis and dances would be great for kill cams. Something like CSGO style skin would be great. There would be 2 tiers of these cosmetics: free and paid in battlepass. The free tier would have skins/dances in some of the levels. The paid tier would include emojis/dances/skins in most of the tiers. Great way to bring in revenue.
• Ability to build walls like Fortnite that allows players to quickly build up defenses. Players would be able to build as high as possible and parachute down.
• Reduce inactive platoons/clans by requiring new platoons/clans cost a small fee of $5. Improve on the BF4 platoon/clan feature by allowing more clan management tools (checking when a player was last online with the ability to purge/kick).
• Cut out the middle-person by selling server hosting slots. EA have plenty of capacity to sell server slots. Great way to bring in revenue and reduce costs for server owners. Win - win for everyone.

[feral garden]

You lost me in the first 2 sentences. Stopped reading after that.

Stick to fortnite. All of this is catered to there.

[nimble bridge]

Should be more than 2, like 3 or maybe even 4

[delicate frigate]

To be honest, I like Battle Royale, I even play Fortnite. The problem is that Battlefield doesn't go with Battle Royale, and trust me, no one will like it. If it's too PTW or unnatural, no one will like it.

[gilded rivet]

when are they released frostbite free source?

like source 2

they’d make millions

[delicate frigate]

This is a bad joke.

Of all the competitive FPS games that I really enjoyed and loved playing, it was CS:GO. That one is forever in my heart.

[nimble bridge]

Bunny is top tier ragebaiter

[tough zinc]

My brain just died reading that

[delicate frigate]

Tutorial on how to flop a game.

[gilded rivet]

nothing beat community servers, them zombie escape / zombie mod server were top notch

[nimble bridge]

BF is made for battle royale honestly, big maps and high number of players already works in BF, CoD became more BFlike when they were making Warzone because they couldn't do that in typical CoD gameplay(projectile based guns not hitscan, tons of vehicles in the map, permanent parachute etc.)

[delicate frigate]

Zombie escape was too much fun. Fuck the world and its geopolitics, I just want to play.

[gilded rivet]

THEY RUINED COMMUNITY BROWSERS FOR CS

ITS SO BAD AND BUGGY

AND SERVERS DIE CUS OF IT

[oak fractal]

Pretty sure the only good thing in this word vomit is the clan management and server buy

[delicate frigate]

I respect your opinion. I can't see Battlefield as a Battle Royale. To me, it's more of a "MilSim" than an FPS. Like, when I imagine Battlefield, I think of a very immersive map, or a WW2 Utah Beach with capture points with 64 players on the defensive and attackers to capture and conquer.

[minor linden]

More like owe millions for all the therapy they'd have to pay for

Frostbite is a notoriously painful engine to work with

[nimble bridge]

BF was CoD with big maps since Bad Company gramps

[delicate frigate]

CoD is the same thing. I can't see it as a Battle Royale. For me, these two franchises can be summed up as: War, Espionage, Manipulation, Disinformation, Interests, Violence and Immersive and exciting Campaigns.

By the way, my best CoD was WW2 and BO1

[minor linden]

big maps and vehicles*

[delicate frigate]

I just think it's pretty stupid to compare CoD with Battlefield. Both have their differences and identities.

But that depends on each person's point of view.

[mossy marten]

Shotguns should not be in the next BF

[minor linden]

Yeah. Despite both being arcade shooters, Cod and BF are very distinctive style-wise

CoD makes you feel like Seal Team 6

BF makes you feel like a normal soldier

[gritty hearth]

Hear me out guys:

Johan Skugge for BF 2025 OST.

😏😏

[nimble bridge]

https://youtu.be/EeKF-60uq_M
https://youtu.be/H10jTw8mdas
https://youtu.be/Kt2mRk8RaFk
https://youtu.be/65pb4KfqR3s

[gritty hearth]

My goat for BF.

[minor linden]

100%

They already use a remix of their work nearly every game

[nimble bridge]

I actually like ||2042||'s soundtrack

[gritty hearth]

It's not as bad as people say it is.

[nimble bridge]

Just like the game itself it became better with post launch

[gritty hearth]

Oh is it? Then that's all the more reason to have him on Battlefield '25 then.

[nimble bridge]

Redacted's or Spearhead's themes are amazing

[minor linden]

Iirc isn't the main theme basically just a remake of the 3 and 4 ones?

[nimble bridge]

Not at all

They used fragmented notes in 2042's OST

[gritty hearth]

I'm fine with the main theme but it would have been nice if there was a seperate one that was composed by Skugge. Uh "Battlefield 2042 (Skugge's Version).

[minor linden]

Y'know what theme is truly underappreciated? Hardline's

Tho, that's mainly cause nobody talks about Hardline in general

[minor linden]

Now that I'm listening to it again, yeah. There's a good amount of core differences

[gritty hearth]

I like the campaign to Hardline, feel like I'm watching a TV show.

[minor linden]

Yeah, I really love how they stylized it. I kinda wish Visceral still existed so they could make a sequel

[gritty hearth]

They were shutdown?

[minor linden]

Yea. They closed in 2017. Hardline was actually their last published game

[gritty hearth]

Awh, unfortunate.

Would have liked to have liked to have seen a Hardline 2 like you suggested.

[minor linden]

Even if Visceral still existed, I doubt we would ever get Hardline 2. It was recieved way too poorly

[nimble bridge]

They should bring this song for BF Labs:
https://youtu.be/K12NbfWrlVE
I think it was also used in BF4 CTE.

[minor linden]

Which, tbf, should be expected when you release a Cops v. Crims game in a War series

[gritty hearth]

It's one of those games where it's good but released at the wrong time. Just like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare.

[minor linden]

Yea

Tho, Imo Hardline would've done decent if it just wasn't called Battlefield

[gritty hearth]

They could have gotten away with it if you played as Military Police instead of just regular cops.

[fleet robin]

it shouldn't have been a battlefield game

could've done great as visceral's own thing

[covert nest]

It would have gone either way

"It plays like a battlefield game why doesn't it have battlefield in its title"

[fleet robin]

yeah i suppose people will always find a way to complain

[uneven dew]

F

[winged needle]

Hardline should have never existed because it glorified the militarization of police and its violence in people's communities, especially with the recent outrage against killings, brutality, and danger faced by police, suspects, and victims. "Hardline’s single-player storyline has nothing to do with riots or civil unrest, but it is all about the enjoyment of unchecked police power."

https://www.kqed.org/arts/10500395/lets-be-cops-murder-as-law-enforcement-in-battlefield-hardline

[paper orbit]

F

[minor linden]

... It's a riff on cop shows

[half halo]

It's not that Deep dude

[gilded rivet]

They also had a star war game tio

[timid needle]

so GTA shouldn't exist either, their video games

[wispy dagger]

Are you an AI bot

[nimble bridge]

He's ascended ragebaiter

[wooden grove]

qrd on what is battlefield labs?

[minor linden]

Basically an early-access invite-only test environment

It’s mainly dice can see what people like and dislike about the next game. There’s also the bug-finding aspect too

[pearl aurora]

When play test

[nimble bridge]

Tomorrow

[pallid coral]

It's just a game bruh it ain't that deep

Hardline was objectively a good game. Maybe not a battlefield game but it just came out at a wrong time with a wrong name

[vague barn]

Good morning, chaps

[pearl aurora]

When people are active in Chanelle Discord

[mossy marten]

Museum needs to make a return as a remastered map tbh
Hint hint wink wink Dice

[vague barn]

Idek what maps/type of maps I want.

City outskirts, maybe? A mix between urban and rural environments.

[orchid kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbanddumber-lloydchristmas-dontcare-gif-5441891

[mint cobalt]

I actually been wanting a Map like that in Battlefield, we were close to having that in BF2042 with Hourglass and Kaleidoscope, but you can imagine how that went (<<;

[vague barn]

Or maybe something like a small village.

Plenty of open areas but at the same time some built up structures. Have it built on a incline so you have a "two story" type map.

[vague barn]

Idk how you'd fit 3/4 subclasses into a class.

Just seems to me like you'd have so many compromises that it wouldn't be feasible.

[nimble bridge]

BFV had them, they just cut them later on

One support subclass had the ability to reset overheating once they killed someone with an MMG

Other subclass had the ability to deploy MMGs while crouching

One recon subclass had the ability to cycle the bolt without unscoping

Given snipers and LMGs won't work like that in BF6 but still, you can get creative

You can even use 2042 specialist passives as a basis, one assault subclass with replenishing health after each kill for example(like Zain) or one recon not being detectable by TUGS(like Blasco)

[scenic tinsel]

the link does not work when I click it. is sign up still open?

[sudden latch]

I would also like to know

[pearl aurora]

Wich hours play test available

[hallow escarp]

how do you know

[weary sandal]

how do you not know

[hallow escarp]

wdym

liarssssssssssssss

ts js nt tmr fr lwk yll js lyn smt pmo ngl

[wispy dagger]

I hope there’s class limits

So you don’t have 16 recons on one team

[covert nest]

That's not gonna happen.

[nimble bridge]

Quick fix for 16 recons issue:

• Snipers removed from recon kit
• DMRs made exclusive to recon

[hallow escarp]

when is playtest

[pale mirage]

come back to bfee the homeland

[rapid fox]

yesterday

[vague barn]

The number of players in a certain class isn't the problem in my view. It's how those players use that class. I play recce class almost exclusively because I like to flank, place down spawn beacons, and use motion detectors to help my team. I am not denying there are certain players who do the polar opposite, i.e.; sit in a single FFP and just try to shoot random people at 200+m getting at most 15 kills per game, but limiting the amount of (for example) recce players is not the solution to this.

It's a tough problem because snipers by definition work at a reach, encouraging a distance between the player and the FLET, which depending on the map, can result in a FFP far behind the FLOT.

I'd say the solution is not to discourage that kind of gameplay, but to encourage other playstyles more, like mine (biased opinion).

[vague barn]

Also this isn't a solution to the problem either. Sniper rifles are the raison d'être for the recce class at its core, removing the sniper rifles would be to remove a massive part of the game for a large portion (though not majority) of the playerbase.

I personally don't play with sniper rifles that much (because my aim is horrendous), but I wouldn't want them to go away at all. I would prefer there were more incentives to use them offensively in a supporting way, say a bonus for killing other sniper users or machine gunners with a certain killstreak or some such, just something to incentivize them to stay closer to the main force and eliminating key personnel among the enemy force.

[tepid plinth]

Lowering the bullet velocity could potentially help somewhat. I play snipers up close with the goal of clearing specific spots as I move with the rest of the group, and preventing re-peeks, so the velocity doesn’t affect that as much. But if someone sees that the velocity is lower than other games they may be incentivised to move a little closer perhaps

[feral garden]

They made sniper rifle players camp by nerfing their close range capabilities. I don't know why players complain so much about sniper rifles which one hit kill inside 10m, when shotguns do the same, but require less skill/aiming speed to do so.

[pearl aurora]

When Play test

[feral garden]

No one knows. Noone who will know in future will tell you, its under NDA. Stop asking

[vague barn]

I think BF4 had the bullet velocities in an alright area, personally, they aren't insane fast but you can still land shots on unaware enemies at long range.

[vague barn]

This has always bothered me as well, but I can see the argument that "shotguns only work up close, snipers work both close and long range" as having some weight to it.

I just don't fancy the idea of having the "grace" of being able to get kills even though your aim wasn't on target at close range.

[feral garden]

Shotguns have long range slug rounds and high magnifying scopes.

[vague barn]

Do slugs at long range still one hit kill for headshots?

(Idk I never touch the fucking things)

[feral garden]

Iirc they do. Same in 2042 cos everything long range and single projectile feels terrible to use.

[vague barn]

Understood, then yeah the argument doesn't pass imo.

[feral garden]

I dont even know why sniper rifles and slugs feel bad in 2042. Probably a lot to do with the maps, and design/ranges of other weapons.

[versed token]

Slugs don't oneshot unless they got buffed in a patch

[feral garden]

Even to the head?

[versed token]

Ye

[feral garden]

Heh, so they are completely pointless then.

[tepid plinth]

Yeah I’d be fine with that. I mean, I’ll be playing the way I do anyway, I suppose it’s down to trying to figure out how to get others to

[vague barn]

Yeah, it wouldn't affect me personally that much but I think it'd be a welcome change.

[covert nest]

One shot kill weapons to the chest are ultimately frustrating additions to any game.

Battlefield has always had a slower ttk than cod and as a result there's been a smaller bridge with shotguns and automatics there

[vague barn]

I agree with this, and while it can be frustrating to get one-shot by a sniper rifle in close quarters, it pales to insignificance compared to shotguns in my opinion.

[pallid lake]

none of the shotguns are particularly good in 2042 except the 12m auto, and that was because it had high enough firerate to guarantee kills + drum mag

you cant do any of the fun stuff from stuff like bf4 with a long range scope + slug and countersnipe people with it

[vague barn]

Suppressors
Suppressors are a potent but often underused category of muzzle devices for most of the Battlefield games. The decreased muzzle velocity caused by their use certainly factors into it for a lot of players.

In 2042, suppressors are divided into "light" and "heavy" suppressors with varied effect on matters such as minimap stealth, damage and muzzle velocity (especially in conjunction with subsonic ammo type). This is in my opinion wrong and serves only to discourage their use even more.

Suppressor devices, in my view, should be a single category. Ideally, suppressors would have the following effects:

1. Increase recoil (due to overgassing).
2. Remove the tracer component from the bullets.
3. Give minimap stealth when firing.

Integrally suppressed weapons – such as the AS Val/VSS Vintorez, MCX LVAW, MP5SD, AAC "Honey-Badger" – would also:

1. Further reduce sound levels.
2. Have a lower muzzle velocity.
3. Have a larger "zone of uncertainty" for victim damage direction indicator.

The fundamental reason for these changes are to give suppressed weapon systems a more natural place in the medium-range engagement zone, while decreasing effectiveness in the long-range engagement zone.

[versed token]

Holy shit

[vague barn]

Idk if I would call my shit "holy"

[versed token]

Sounds good 👍

[vague barn]

Thank you!

[indigo pebble]

i just hope they dont do limited time game modes because its trash

[fleet kindle]

Depends i feel like they can have them just make them unique rather than making rush a limited time game mode for example

[gritty hearth]

Fat suppressor lovers, where they at?

[gritty hearth]

QUIET!

No complaining about Hardline in this dojo.

[heady thorn]

[indigo pebble]

it was trash though 😉 lol

still would love to see a bad company 3

[covert nest]

Care to elaborate why hardline was bad

Asides from its theme.

[mild girder]

It should have been a DLC/Addon for BF4

[heady thorn]

Hardline was amazing

[safe moat]

We do not accept Hardline Slander in this house

[strong pier]

Hardline is criminally underrated

[heady thorn]

i see what you did there

[mild girder]

Hardline was ok, wasnt horrible but also wasnt that great either

[heady thorn]

Except it was great, and did lot of changes that improved on BF4

One can argue the setting, but as a game its great

[safe moat]

Yea, it was unironically a better version of BF4, but people didnt şike it because it released too early and didnt play because of BF4

[heady thorn]

Also has some incredibly good maps

Hardline also fixed Grand Bazaar

The Docks was great, and Black Friday is one of the best CQB maps in BF

[pearl aurora]

How's here know date Labs

[weary sandal]

no

[mild girder]

Well, i do know english, thats something

[plain bluff]

people here thinking Hardline's theme is bad when in reality the police force is militarizing rapidly

[mild girder]

Its the USA, everyone is getting their own Military Arsenal lol

[long trail]

We well not know if the test start only who get invited!?

[mild girder]

we will, trust me

[safe moat]

We “wont know”, people will leak it but officially we wont know

[mild girder]

We may if they decide to tell us that they are starting to invite the first wave of people, but i dont think they will announce anything

[pearl aurora]

I don't know date

[mild girder]

nobody does

[half halo]

Another morning, another Day without an email

[rich charm]

Hey soo... This is what happened when I clicked "Sign Up for Labs" or whatever:
"An error occurred while processing your request.
Reference #30.b4291eb8.1739881773.bddef0
https://errors.edgesuite.net/30.b4291eb8.1739881773.bddef0"

Any advice? I linked my Xbox account, email, got my Discord back up (obv)... So IDK wtf is up

[mild girder]

try again?

[rich charm]

Tried many many times and in different ways

It's just a white page with that every time

[mild girder]

Guess no invite for you then lol idk what is messing with the Site. Try different Browsers and turn off any VPN etc

[rich charm]

I have no VPN. Does it matter if you're using your phone to do all this crap instead of a PC? That's the only thing I can think of

[mild girder]

should not matter but try it on a pc

[rich charm]

Wilco. Thanks.

Also I assume the NDA is strict enough that no one has said anything about how the game plays, even like super vague "it's great" or "feels like 2042"?

[mild girder]

the playtest isnt live yet

[rich charm]

That's kinda what I figured lol just had to make sure. I'm (cautiously) über-hype for this one, mainly bc Vince Zampella is a gamer, prove. track record, he doesn't f*** around. I trust him to get this IP back on track.

Godspeed y'all, hope you get in. I'll probably be waiting til launch unfortunately lol

proven*

[pearl aurora]

It's not today's

[mild girder]

well someone got hacked

[fleet robin]

this is correct

[indigo pebble]

Aparently there was a unnamed game playtest a little while ago some one beleaved to be battlefield but it was very very minor

[mild girder]

any playtest that shows up on the site aint BF btw

You dont need to sign up for it again, its a different game then

[half halo]

There were playtests for today and Tomorrow, but it's not Battlefield I believe

[pearl aurora]

Wich hours it's announced

[mossy marten]

it's not battlefield related

[gritty hearth]

Bro is TOO desperate.

[pallid coral]

remember EA has a shit ton of games

[mossy marten]

It's the other game Motive is working on
it's on their website

[rich charm]

...last game was SW Squadrons, yeah? I seem to recall a YT guy said what they're doing next. Is it anything good?

Oh DEAD SPACE derp

That was their last thing

[half halo]

They are doing an IronMan game

This is not breaking any NDA btw, this is on wikipedia

[mossy marten]

and on their website

[finite pier]

Is the playtest started already?

[mossy marten]

no

you'd see leaks everywhere online if playtesting started

[finite pier]

Thanks for the info

[finite pier]

True, hahaha

[serene prism]

Anybody else get a secondary email from BF today confirming once again that your application has been received and an email will be sent to you if selected?

[restive portal]

I just got that email too. assuming it’s a nothingburger until actually being selected

[serene prism]

Right I’m assuming it means they’re double checking before selecting begins

[restive portal]

just weird that they’d have a confirmation screen at the end of the registration but it wasn’t actually confirmed until today or the email is just super delayed which is very likely

[gritty hearth]

With the shakiest hands.

[random vessel]

Yeah, emails probably go to everyone and are just delayed because of traffic

That’s my guess because I was one of the later people to sign up

[grim siren]

Probably

[half halo]

Still haven't received any email

My email is cursed I guess lmao

[coral glen]

Me either

[restive portal]

obviously just guessing here but i really don’t think it’s indicative of anything more than a confirmation

[small pier]

i just got my email, its just a waiting game

[half halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-wait-countdown-clock-celebrating-hype-gif-4240442565497784005

[coral glen]

Yeah, probably I never got any kind of email after signing up

[grim siren]

Embed fail

Laugh at him

[half halo]

It never works when I use discord built-in GIFs 😦

[nimble bridge]

You need purple name to post gifs and screenshots and even embeds

[pearl aurora]

Which hour's it's everyone's played

[versed token]

Need to be purple role to get embeds

[half halo]

Ah I see

[half halo]

Wdym?

[upper hare]

So this registration complete email means nothing right ? It just they confirmed the registration but not an actual playtest selection confirmation

[versed token]

Did you read?

[upper hare]

No, I'm actually blind, my pc read it through my screen reader

[wise cairn]

Pretty sure it’s just confirming registration

[grim siren]

Yeah

I didn't read correctly

[wise cairn]

lol

[trim bronze]

download is still locked?

[mossy marten]

download? there is no download, or even a test that began whatsoever

[heady thorn]

[pearl aurora]

When server's open

[mild girder]

To be fair, you cant normally read it lol

[mild girder]

now

[half halo]

🤣🤣

[half halo]

Too late now, there was only a 2 minutes download windoww. Only 4157 people got in.

[pearl aurora]

I don't resving email

[mild girder]

and he leaked it lol

[pallid coral]

i havent even received the confirmation email

[hallow escarp]

whats going on

did ppl get emails

[wild fractal]

Maybe 😉

[vague barn]

Ya, I got an email from a nigerian prince offering me a great monetary exchange deal.

[hallow escarp]

same bro same

[mild girder]

Everything regarding the EA Playtesting Program is under NDA and it is forbidden to share any Contents regarding Mails, Invites, Playtests etc.

[wild fractal]

This ^

[mild girder]

You are only allowed to say you are part of the Program, not part of BF Labs for example

[vague barn]

En Svensk Tiger?

[wild fractal]

Japp 🙂

[vague barn]

Superb.

I do prefer "En Svensk Stör" however, with due consideration to our ranger units who have been practicing blowing up bridges, roads, and radio towers for the past 100 years.

Störstrid, the defining term of my entire playstyle in Battlefield games.

[hallow escarp]

is anyone else getting errors when they go to ea playtesting?

[wild fractal]

Aah 👍

[hallow escarp]

and one of my messages got deleted

[hybrid karma]

Yepge

[plain bluff]

STUFFS HAPPENING

LABS DOWN

[mild girder]

EVERYTHING is written when signing up for the Playtesting Program and everyone agrees to the Agreements. People that break these will be banned from the program and can have their EA Account banned too

[hybrid karma]

Thats why you dont involve the public ... its bound to happen

[hallow escarp]

guys u cant share the email

[plain bluff]

you mean the second mail everyone gets?

[mild girder]

second?

you mean first and only mail

[cloud flame]

Oh for sure that's why I was surprised this is happening and even having the NDA at all. Makes sense to try at least but dang lol

[vague barn]

Labs is down?

Lies? Deception?

[wild fractal]

Hands down

[vague barn]

HÄNDERNA UPP I LUFTEN 🎵

[plain bluff]

pants down

zipper unzipped

[mild girder]

Hopes down

for an invite

[wild fractal]

Trailer song

[vague barn]

lmfao

[hallow escarp]

it witerally says that you witerally cant share details of the witeral email

[wild fractal]

Witerally

What does that mean

[vague barn]

Bok stavligen

[wild fractal]

Ah

Literally

[plain bluff]

trailers should all have a variation of the battlefield theme

all these new-age trailers are completely soulless without it

[mossy marten]

Susge

[wild fractal]

The 2042 ost is so bad

[half halo]

[hallow escarp]

An error occurred while processing your request.

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[wild fractal]

Broken trumpets

[half halo]

You don't like whales mating sounds?

[mild girder]

But tbh, the next BF will focus heavily on Elements and Nostalgia from BF3. They teased the new Game with BF3 stuff waaaaayyyy too much (The Theme in the Labs Trailer, during the Investors Day etc.)

[wild fractal]

Naah

[half halo]

Me neither bro

[wild fractal]

[vague barn]

Sitt. Ned. I. Båten.

[wild fractal]

NEJ

[vague barn]

JO

[daring lantern]

probably not related to anything. i think a bunch of people are probably checking the website to see if there are any changes, and in the process the website is getting overloaded which is probably having the cascade effect of drawing even more people to the website which is extending the downtime

[plain bluff]

@mild girder if they try to pull our heartstrings and attempt to monetize battlefield moments, it aint gonna end nicely

[pearl aurora]

I don't got email

[mild girder]

Nah, site just down in general. This hasnt happened before with the Queue System lol

[daring lantern]

you can rendezook in bf2042 it's not like they lied

[heady thorn]

[plain bluff]

missing the point

[half halo]

I have no issues on my Side to access the website. Just no email in sight

@heady thorn

[vague barn]

Website is fine for me

[mild girder]

wanna remind you about the Portal Trailer and the WW Soldiers launching a Jeep with Explosives (it doesnt work in 2042)

[daring lantern]

i mean i think they probably just did it because it's a well known community activity. the game isn't really different from the trailer at all

[heady thorn]

heyoo

[daring lantern]

i think they fixed it so you can launch vehicles with C4 now but yeah that kinda sucked

[plain bluff]

again, the reveal trailer was nonesense without gameplay

[cloud flame]

I wish they never fixed the hover vehicles going up buildings

[daring lantern]

lmao that was the best glitch ever and imo didn't really hurt anything

[mossy marten]

[cloud flame]

Yea it was so easy to counter and even then wasnt that strong if they made it to the roof

[mossy marten]

it helped more than anything because of those damn rooftop objs

[cloud flame]

I think they removed it cause too many people complained but like, god forbid a game has silly fun elements

[mossy marten]

remember when portal advertised c4 launching (and was not possible in AOW or Portal)?

Pepperridge farm remembers

[daring lantern]

portal also advertised itself as having content lol

[cloud flame]

I had so much hope for portal too. A step in the right direction but dang as I always say just give us a map editor/modsdk

[mossy marten]

[daring lantern]

i hope if Battlefield 2025 has portal it has more thought and care put into it and actually receives post launch content and not just a few weapons drip fed once or twice a year

[mossy marten]

portal 2.0 should have a map editor straight up

not map creator though*

[cloud flame]

Fingers crossed!

[vague barn]

"Battlefield 2025"

[daring lantern]

imagine a Forge type game mode in Battlefield

[cloud flame]

Side note, but is it just me or can we not emote react to msg's in this channel anymore?

[daring lantern]

ok what else should i call it lmao. battlefield 9000

[mossy marten]

no more reactions, and no more external emojis
i miss my pepeSip emoji

[vague barn]

2026? There's no way it is releasing this year.

[fleet robin]

you know arguably you could say that was only a cinematic and not representative of the final product

they always cover their asses

[daring lantern]

we have no way of knowing when it will release. the current year is 2025 and this is the year the marketing started

[heady thorn]

i want some pizza now ngl

[hallow escarp]

its pre alpha in FEBRUARY. it has to release this year

[mossy marten]

Just don't make Kevin angry with a pineapple pizza

[daring lantern]

i love hawaiian pizza

[fleet robin]

they're targeting fy 2026 so it's releasing anywhere from april 2025 to april 2026

[cloud flame]

Thats uhhh, optimistic if you want a polished product

[plain bluff]

i marinate beef in pineapple

[hallow escarp]

idrc all bf launches have been terrible

[fleet robin]

if gta 6 doesn't get delayed they'll probably delay battlefield to 2026

[daring lantern]

I don't think a Battlefield game has ever released in a truly polished state lol

[heady thorn]

I would never desecrate a pizza!

[cloud flame]

Thats what im saying, I want, for once, it to be polished on release lol

[daring lantern]

GTA games have never not been delayed. GTA V and RDR2 were both delayed by over a year

[vague barn]

Spoiler alert: ||It won't be polished||

[mossy marten]

isn't your country next to sweden though
which they have banana curry pizza over there?

[fleet robin]

yep, pretty sure almost every rockstar game in the last 20 years has been delayed

[cloud flame]

let me be delusional please T_T lmao

[vague barn]

I just don't want to encourage people to become disappointed.

[daring lantern]

Yeah the smart thing to do is add a year or two to any release date they give in their initial announcement trailer.

[plain bluff]

it'll be a diamond in the rough, you heretic

[pallid coral]

he "leaked" an email sent to everyone that signs up?

idk why it got deleted

[cloud flame]

I'm a Command & Conquer fan, im plenty used to it by now

[daring lantern]

BF4 moment. Classic seething outrage followed by "this was the best game in the franchise"

[heady thorn]

we do not associate with sweden and such... pizzas.

[plain bluff]

that was BF3 though

[heady thorn]

We have kebab pizza

[plain bluff]

BF4 could've been a game update to BF3

[vague barn]

Kebab pizza is common here too

[daring lantern]

can we drop it i'd like to move forward from this collossal blunder

[heady thorn]

yes but those are swedish smh

[daring lantern]

BF3's launch was actually good from my memory. The best part of BF3 though was the one shot kill 44 magnum in the beta though lmao

[heady thorn]

At least not danish.

[pallid coral]

LOL

[vague barn]

Furthermore, you and I both know that Norway is merely a nickname for an autonomous region of the Swedish Empire.

[vague barn]

HA, indeed.

[plain bluff]

How about you acknowledge the fact BF2042's reveal trailer was nonesense without gameplay?

[vague barn]

The Danish 🤮

[plain bluff]

they were selling you fog

[heady thorn]

You can tell yourself that, that is okay!

😏

[daring lantern]

BF1 and BFV also didn't show gameplay when they were announced lmao

[vague barn]

||Norway could probably just buy Sweden with all that oil money, but I want to pretend that's not the case.||

[plain bluff]

Yes? They're still nonesense

BF3 and BF4 had it down to a T

[daring lantern]

Actually even worse, BFV showed fake gameplay that wasn't indicative of the final product

[plain bluff]

Its like DICE completely lost talent that can weave a trailer from the players view

[vague barn]

OH, ALSO, @heady thorn, at least I can go snowmobiling when and whereever I want in my country >:)

[fleet robin]

i'm sure they don't mind considering 2042's marketing was incredible

ignoring all the refunds after release of course

[daring lantern]

I think they were just marketing choices. Fault Line and the BF4 campaign reveal don't really work for a game like BF1 or BFV where there isn't one singular cohesive campaign, and BF2042 didn't even have a campaign

[hallow escarp]

when trailer for new game

[vague barn]

Yesterday, haven't you seen it?

[heady thorn]

While Norway has a law that says only on tracks, private land or in certain situations.. People do it anywhere lol

We've driven down to the stores lot during winter 😄

[vague barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[hallow escarp]

i know that link

[daring lantern]

sounds like something you hear moments before getting arrested in a foreign country

[daring lantern]

"XcQ" I have these 3 letters memorized

[heady thorn]

Norway has some of those

But we are not denmark, and that is something!

[daring lantern]

LOL!

[vague barn]

I'm a big fan of snowmobiles because I used to live in a village with, let's say, subpar road maintenance in winter so I used to get driven to school on a snowmobile in the winters sometimes.

[vague barn]

Let us all be grateful we are not Denmark.

[heady thorn]

Love snowmobiles tbh. Yep. Loved em in BF4 too!

[vague barn]

In my ever present phobia of vehicles in Battlefield games, I have never touched one in-game.

Actually no, I have touched one and been JDAM'd

[heady thorn]

i play everything haha

bored otherwise

[vague barn]

Man, do I miss snowmobiling into the middle of absolutely nowhere and setting up a campfire though. Haven't done that in a few years.

[vague barn]

I mess around with a lot of different weapons, but vehicles terrify me 😨

[heady thorn]

It is fun being able to camp virtually anywhere here

[vague barn]

Same here, Allemansrätten and all that.

[golden vortex]

I'm grateful you are not Denmark

And labs, labs are great

[heady thorn]

Labs have given us some of the greatest scientific discoveries!

[golden vortex]

They are also very good dogs

[heady thorn]

for real

[golden vortex]

I mean, even the Norwegian labs somehow manage to be good dogs. Quite the feat.

[half halo]

Lol, just saw the news about CoD Recon Squad. Lmaooo
There might be some strong competition ahead of us

[random rampart]

Sliding needs to be Gone in the next battlefield

S999 People in 2042 Sweating for nothing

[heady thorn]

Sliding needs to be in the next game, but not op and not useless.

[feral garden]

Recon squad sounds like the biggest "we promise we are listening" PR stunt yet.

They'll hire someone to be a "special community outreach officer" next. Like they did in the past. But it will achieve nothing.

I hope they start listening to what the average player wants, and not pro players and sweats.

You'd solve a lot in warzone especially by removing half the gadgets and perks, then removing redeploy beacons. Then reverting omni-movement.

Main game gimmicks are ruining the experience of WZ.

[half halo]

Stupid S ranks need to be gone in the next BF

Bring back some proper ranks

[cold belfry]

Facts!

[half halo]

Oh it's definitely big PR, no question about that

[feral garden]

I also hope S ranks are different in next game.

[heady thorn]

They should listen to all of them, and take good things from all. You can't just take from the average, you also can't just take from the really good players. It has to be a balance of people who is new, average, and good players.

[feral garden]

Na, pros and sweats only want things that increase the skill gap to their benefit

[daring lantern]

nah man with respect, every time a game dev has listened to "pros" it has ended poorly for the majority of players

pros intentionally ask for changes that make it easier for them to farm content off lower skill players

[heady thorn]

I can tell you they have not just listened to the pros

Ofc they havent

Sometimes more, sometimes less.

Lot of the time they just do what they do lol

[heady thorn]

There is pro players who know how to communicate things, and those are the ones you should listen to. Not ones who just want extreme skill gaps

That is not what im saying here

You need to take in feedback from everyone, not just one group

[heady thorn]

Those are the ones they shouldn't listen to. But pro players also have insane knowledge about the game, and how things work. You listen to those who are there that want good changes, not the ones who want to stomp

[feral garden]

Current WZ and BO6 balance and design is a direct result of ignoring casuals feedback. Then they wonder why they are hemorrhaging players

[heady thorn]

WZ & BO6 has a lot of issues that doesn't stem from just that.. come on

[fleet robin]

feedback should be taken in from everyone, it's up to the devs to then decide what suits the game and what doesn't. If they choose to prioritise pros' feedback then that's where the problem is

[daring lantern]

I'm saying historically, pro players and high level content creators tend to give feedback that benefits only themselves, while actively harming everyone else. I don't need a representative who speaks for the whole community. I'd rather the majority of people get the vote

[cursive ridge]

Yeah, namely, it's CoD.

[daring lantern]

Legitimately, 90% of the issues in CoD are from the studios taking too much feedback in general, and especially from pros and content creators

Feedback is a balancing act. You need to know what to listen to. A good chunk of the time, even the majority of people agreeing with each other aren't really sure of exactly what they want, which is why games sticking to their vision has proven successful so many times over

The best Battlefield games became the best not because they surveyed a bunch of people to ask what makes a good game, but because the developers went into the project knowing exactly what the game they wanted to make was. Now, I do think that playtesting and things like Battlefield Labs and similar insider programs are good for things like troubleshooting and polling to see what changes are liked and what changes are disliked, but skimming social media to see what people are vocal about usually isn't a good idea

Honestly, the best thing to do for feedback is put a game in someone's hands, and immediately after they're done playing give them a poll asking what things stood out to them, both good and bad. Highlight things you're unsure of, ask if there's anything the player felt was hindering them, etc. without being so specific that you cause a placebo-effect

[feral garden]

Going into a game with conscious effort going on extending the skill gap between the worst and best players is not a good idea also. Then also incorporating the latest gimmick from the latest game, which just happened to even further stretch it sucks.

None of my mates want to play WZ anymore.

[daring lantern]

I don't think focusing on skill gap in general is a good idea. Games that flow naturally through good map design and gameplay will develop their own skill gaps as people get into comfort zones and others branch out beyond those comfort zones.

Battlefield games in the past had skill gaps based on how well you played your role. A good support player could provide health and revives for a ton of people, a good assault player could support frontline battles with ammo and firepower, a good engineer could take out vehicle threats, and a good sniper could provide overwatch or pick off enemies trying to hit back cap flanks. all the pieces of the puzzle fit together naturally, which made the game feel like a proper sandbox. playstyles weren't forced, but weren't fully open either

[lavish bobcat]

question

are the invite links being sent out

[mossy marten]

no

[lavish bobcat]

do we know when they will start

[daring lantern]

If they were, we wouldn't be able to tell you anyway

[mossy marten]

no

[tepid plinth]

we won't be told, it's confidential information

[hallow escarp]

are the playtests external or am i just downloading it from home

[tepid plinth]

you'll definitely be able to play it from home

[mossy marten]

we don't know
but assuming from home

[hallow escarp]

idek if there is a ea playtest building close to where i live

[mossy marten]

doing external doesn't make sense since there's only 3 (maybe 4) locations where they would do testing (the game studios) and that's very limiting

[grim siren]

Can we invade norway?

[hallow escarp]

yeah and that wont fit 1000 people

[mossy marten]

or countries that aren't NA/EU (in the future)

[hallow escarp]

there are only 2 in my country, Florida and California and i dont live in those states

pretty sure its from home now

[mossy marten]

I don't think there's a Battlefield Studios studio in Florida?

[hallow escarp]

its a ea playtest lab

orlando

[mossy marten]

shrugs
i don't know much about EA playtesting tbh

[hallow escarp]

website still down

[stray veldt]

i think we were told so far there would be servers in europe and in the US

from what i remember it said that on the labs website

so if you become at tester you play it on your own computer at home

[pallid coral]

unless its an inperson in the studio testing which they do as well according to their own website

[stray veldt]

they do both im assuming

[hallow escarp]

what studio would i go to

[stray veldt]

well if you are selected through the upcoming testing stuff, you wouldn't go to a studio im assuming

you'll play online for the external test

[rapid fox]

Of course you will. AFAIK DICE building massive battle royale arena with up to 10k playtesters to train the best playtester

[stray veldt]

i think they want a large ammount of data when it comes to their mechanics, so essentially, we're all gonna see what works and what doesnt work

[calm niche]

Anyone here knows when the actual playtest will happen?

[heady thorn]

Nobody knows 😄

[teal dune]

I know

[long trail]

We well not know even

[teal dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262750695640272947/1287410515131498538/attachment-1-1.gif

[teal dune]

well one know in future even?

[long elm]

Is the playtest website down ? Go to log in and get an error

[feral garden]

It's been like that for a while

[long elm]

Okie dokie. Thank you

[flint atlas]

Dota 2 is very much balanced top down and it works fine, imo its better to do it that way as worse players wont use systems properly, however dota 2 devs dont ignore people at the bottom, they will adjust stuff so its balanced top and bottom, its just going from top down is the best way to start it

i know, bf isnt a moba

but the design philosophy is a good one

[stray veldt]

when they did the announcement they said in the upcoming months afaik?

[flint atlas]

put it this way, if you balance for the weaker/majority of players, then there will definitely be gear the better players abuse and stomp everyone else with

[vague barn]

"coming weeks" I think was the term used

[stray veldt]

might be true

[pearl aurora]

When Play test Live

[tall urchin]

That's because things casual players want make bad FPS experiences. They like shit like clunky momentum based mech movement, no movement mechanics to make it hard to hit players, poor gunplay mechanics so they're more likely to win playing defensively, and many other things that leave no skill gap or enjoyable experiences. Pro players love the genre for what it is and want it to be the best representation of what the genre can be, which in turn means your game has lasting appeal.

[pearl aurora]

It's not here streaming on twitch

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-yapper-yapping-what-huh-gif-17267607410251793922

[pallid zephyr]

I’ve just reinstalled 2042 after a long break due to friends playing Cod, I’m level 30 and finding it daunting death a plenty kill few and far between,

[rustic rivet]

I hope there will be prox. chat in the new game. I'll love the game if, and only if, I can blast Fetty Wap while nose diving on an enemy tank.

[vague barn]

no thanks

[fleet robin]

can you really call it bad if it's what the majority of the playerbase wants

what good is a game that caters to only 5% of its players

there's a point where they need to consider who is actually playing, and whether the game caters to them

[flint atlas]

id rather have a core team with a strong vision for the game than cater to players

dont ignore them, but dont cater them either

[fleet robin]

well if you don't make a game that players want then you get no money, so there's that

it's cool when developers make a game that they want without giving in to demands, but at the same time it won't always work

[tall urchin]

Honestly don't care, a lot of people want what's bad for gaming and as a fan of games I'd rather gaming shy away from aiming to seek impossible returns on investment by chasing casual player size and retention to farm battlepasses and cosmetics.

Games die just as fast when they don't have any real identity either, and we've seen that with lots of games. Only a small number of titles can get away with chasing the casual playerbase and unless you play the design game and rollout better than they do odds are you will just lose both playerbases

You won't dethrone Fortnite and CoD so don't bother warping a game that has a concrete playerbase you could cater to instead who are dying for you to make the right call at this stage lol

[fleet robin]

yeah how are you defining what's bad for gaming? I get being against excessive monetisation and ridiculous microtransactions, but when talking about game mechanics it's all subjective. If the majority of players are casual players, then there's no merit in listening only to the top % of players who only want things that benefit them

and regardless of how many people complain on reddit and discord, they're still a minority

[tall urchin]

They don't want things that benefit them, they want a good game.

Casuals want both what's bad for gameplay and good for them.

[grizzled swallow]

Hello 😊

[fleet robin]

they want a good game... for them

[grizzled swallow]

Goog morning vietnam 🙋

😁😁

[tall urchin]

A game that has mechanics at the top and replayability benefits everyone. A game that is catered to dogshit players is unfun trash to anyone who isn't casual.

[trim bronze]

is download working for you?

[grizzled swallow]

Battlefield is gg 🫡
😁

[versed cove]

there is a shitty answer to that but that answer is the truth. there are battlefield fans who to this day prefer to play bf3/4 or older titles. and people who play battlefield right now that call themselves fans. guess which one of those want the game to be more like bf2042 and which one wants them to be more like bfbc2/bf2/3/4?

its quite simple. those who like bf2042 do not like bf and probably like cod. sad statement but the truth.

[fleet robin]

agree to disagree, i think we're going in circles

[fleet robin]

people who like cod are playing cod, not battlefield. The only way in which they're comparable is with specialists, which are mostly meaningless after the class update, and with the goofy skins

not worth much but you can also just look around this server, plenty of people play 2042 but still prefer the way battlefield used to be

i want the bf3 days to come back yet i've got 300 hours on 2042, because after all the updates it's still battlefield, no matter how people try to twist it

just not a great one

[versed cove]

people who like battlefield do not like bf2042. bf2042 is not battlefield. its cod with heroes and vehicles. its not battlefield. it has cod gunplay. cod movement. and cod monitisation.
class update did nothing to get rith of the heroes. dont kid yourself over that. bf2042 still doesnt have proper classes.

[fleet robin]

lol alright man

[tall urchin]

We wouldn't be if you just accepted you're wrong but that's the ignorant world we live in

[feral garden]

Just say you don't like 2042 and leave it at that. Stop trying to throw all BF fans under your banner.

Im a BF fan and I like parts of 2042. It's a Battlefield game, just not a very good one.

[mossy marten]

It's not CoD in any way shape or form.
But it still isn't a true Battlefield, that much is true
(I hate 2042 btw)

[fleet robin]

sure

[versed cove]

my dude. it uses the same animations as cod. the gunplay is the same as cod. it literally is cod.

[feral garden]

Just let it go.

[random vessel]

Yeah agree. 2042 was still Battlefield it just felt like they tried to appeal to the CoD and Fortnite community, which made it a flop to BF fans

[mossy marten]

the gunplay is not like CoD. Unless you mean the garbage visual recoil addition, then sure.

[feral garden]

The gunplay is nothing like COD tho. Statements like this just make you sound a fool 😅

[random vessel]

Well said

[tall urchin]

And yeah BF2042 is a bad game but there's redeemable qualities to it all the same. There's no blanket banner problems. I personally like the crouch sliding, bhopping to limited degrees, but I don't enjoy Call of Duty either I just like rewarding movement mechanics that allow me to play aggressively.

[fleet robin]

you can tell some people haven't played the game since launch lmao

[trim bronze]

recent BF2042 hardcore mode was really good and was basically the same like in older titles

[feral garden]

Bro is crashing out over a basically dead game lol

[versed cove]

you cant look at all the battlefields and then look at bf2042 and say that it is battlefields gunplay. if you look at the shooting side by side between bf2042 and cod. it literally is cod. saying it isnt is hilarious to me.

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/tc-gif-6128815387503134640

It has tac sprint and reloading an M4 looks similar to COD. It's basically the same game!!!

[versed cove]

more over idiotic statements

[warped lagoon]

you referring to 2042's gunplay being like CoD?

[feral garden]

Tell us you haven't played either games without telling us. Either way, blocked cos you are a dumbass. 🤣

[warped lagoon]

I mean it can be argued 2042's gunplay isn't like prior Battlefield games but there's still something about it that feels a bit Battlefield

[versed cove]

right i havent played games, i simply make up statements. 2025 arguments in a nutshell. blocking others is hilariously childish. it doesnt take people an hour to see they are the same if they look at it side by side. end of.

[warped lagoon]

I'd say its half Battlefield and half undercooked

[fleet robin]

"look at it side by side" yeah there's the problem lol, looking at games instead of playing them

[warped lagoon]

I do play BO6 and 2042 though

and whenever I play BO6 after playing 2042 i feel like im relearning how to play CoD's gunplay again and vice versa

that's my input on it

[versed cove]

how else do you want to compare them? what kind of stupid argument is that lmao

[feral garden]

Blocked because I dont want to be annoyed with your ping replying for the next 2 hours of your rage enduced ranting 😂

[heady thorn]

[fleet robin]

by playing them and feeling the difference, that's how you compare games, not by looking at a video someone uploaded comparing animations or whatever lmao

[versed cove]

rage? im watching youtube while simply having a conversation in this channel. people like you probably think everyone rages the second they engage on a topic lmao

[warped lagoon]

the CoD like thing BF had in 2042 which was anonying was the specialists cough cough operators cough cough

while still a bit different from CoD, you could see where they were going and im glad that got stopped, we are going back to classic class-based in the next BF game 😄

[feral garden]

These two videos games where you shoot guns look similar guys. We have started a revolution.

[versed cove]

cool, so the hours i put into cod and bf2042 dont let me decide that they are the same as i didnt play them according to your argument cool.

[warped lagoon]

who agrees with me that BF1 has the smoothest gunplay 😄

[versed cove]

its certainly one of the best yes

[pearl aurora]

When everyone played

[versed cove]

if you have no arguments besides childish statements then why even bother.

[half halo]

BF1 was amazing

And still is

I know a lot of youtubers hate the gunplay

[feral garden]

Delta force and cod and 2042 have the same gunplay!!!!

[warped lagoon]

the satisfaction that it gives you when you gun down a player, man its good lol

[mossy marten]

wrong

[half halo]

But it sounds like a skill issue

[fleet robin]

if you played both then say that, not "they're the same if you look at it side by side" lol regardless they aren't nearly the same

[versed cove]

delta force is the same as bf2042 correct.

[warped lagoon]

Battlefield 4's gunplay feels right though, like that feels like proper Battlefield gunplay

Battlefield 1 is just incredibly smooth

[safe moat]

Delta Force and any Gacha game has the same economy related gambling!!!!!

[mossy marten]

there's nothing smooth about visual recoil and suppression affecting spread and visual recoil so excessively

[heady thorn]

BF4 where you arent forced to micro-brust would be amazing.

burst*

[fleet robin]

but think about how immersive it feels when you can't see or hit the target

[mossy marten]

respectfully, fuck the immersion for gunplay

[versed cove]

i played both. after playing both i concluded that yes. the movement. the animation. the gunplay. its the same. maybe it has something to do with them hiring cod developers for bf2042 but.. nah probably not right.

[feral garden]

Lol delta force has Lazer beam smg meta. 2042 burst based AR, DMR and LMG meta. Basically the same tho, amirite!!!

Let's disregard that one has spread (2042) and one is a hold mouse 1 simulator (Delta Force)

[fleet robin]

for sure

[warped lagoon]

how is Delta Force's gunplay btw, i havent even played that since the beta it had

didnt play much of it though

[feral garden]

Bad

[warped lagoon]

seemed like a 2042 clone so i was like "im just gonna play 2042" lmao

[safe moat]

I saw a clip on DF where a guy just lazers the lobby with Vector, while i am happy that the devs added the Super V system, god that shit is way too busted

[mossy marten]

DF gunplay feels good. just not for long range tho
the gunplay is good for cqc play

[safe moat]

I played for 4 hours, rage deleted it and downlaoded 2042

[feral garden]

Add stability attachments, hold mouse one to kill someone 400m away

[versed cove]

certain guns dont need that. particularly the starting support weapon for example.

[fleet robin]

it's like a really cheap attempt at making 2042

[safe moat]

Its literally a copy of 2042 except it has everything that made 2042 bad and Tarkov like gunmodding

[warped lagoon]

wait so you are saying there's no bullet drop?

💀

[safe moat]

nah

none

[gaunt flume]

[warped lagoon]

so like hitscan?

[heady thorn]

When every gun is essentially forced to do it.. should'nt be a thing. Certain guns to make them unique, and if they want them that? Sure. But it should not be a universal thing

[warped lagoon]

which is wild to me, of all BF games to copy, you pick 2042? lmao

[safe moat]

no, there is somewhat of bullet travel but no bullet drop

and the bullet travel is FAST

like its edging the hitscan

[feral garden]

Not hitscan, but they have no spread, and a gunsmith that allows you to make your weapon pinpoint accurate, with no vertical recoil,and a 50+ round mag

[versed cove]

i mean, in reality your better of simply tapping and not even micro bursting. single shot is the best if you want accuracy. some guns just have an insane rate of fire that they need to be bursted. or single shot. i prefer taping over bursting anyway.

[warped lagoon]

im guessing that game is a playground for snipers

[safe moat]

Except its playground for SMG’s with virtually zero recoil and 50 round drum mags

[feral garden]

No, it's best for smg player. Cos everyone spams smokes/smoke abilities

[warped lagoon]

so broken VHX-D3 but on steroids

[safe moat]

Kind of. Think it more of Thermal Supressed PP19 but it can kill from across the map

[warped lagoon]

yea i dont play with a lot of weapons

closest i could match it to would be VHX-D3

[daring lantern]

DOTA 2 isn't a first person shooter so the analogy doesn't work. The mechanics of an FPS game lend themselves, for better or worse, to manipulation that can punish certain groups of players just for their mechanical ability

[warped lagoon]

love that weapon

[daring lantern]

You just rolled in from the MW2 subreddit, aye?

All the "pros" said difficult recoil and more realistic movement speeds made that game bad, and so MW3 removed all that stuff and then flopped right on its face

[warped lagoon]

I feel like people get Casual players and Pro players mixed up

[feral garden]

BO6 tripped down on these ideals, and it's in the mud now. Along with WZ

[warped lagoon]

its the casual players who want the game to improve, they are the majority of the playerbase of any game after all

Pro players most of the time advocate for things that ruin games

[daring lantern]

I think they mix themselves up. Self identifying pros tend to ask for the game to be dumbed down to an extent that makes playing it require zero brain cells

[clear viper]

Casual gamers are the backbone of games and the people who just play the game to have fun. If you alienate the casual player you alienate most of your playerbase.

[warped lagoon]

yup

also casual players dont have an issue with anything

For instance SBMM and Ranked only came into existence because of Pro players but they arent ready for that convo

[safe moat]

And your average Pro spends more time complaining about everything in the game on social media instead of playing and adapting

[clear viper]

I might be a pro then ngl cause I hate SBMM 😭

[daring lantern]

exactly this, they call themselves pros but have a complete inability to adapt to new game mechanics and instead they go on reddit or twitter and absolutely demand that it be changed

[feral garden]

It's kinda crap that they are bringing back Verdansk, but it's gonna be a shameful version due to all the poor decisions made since then to now.

[warped lagoon]

SBMM was technically made for Ranked play initially because Pro players wanted to take the game "too seriously" than just having fun

Casual players want to have fun, they dont want to sweat

Its not the other way round like people tend to think

[daring lantern]

you hate EOMM. SBMM has been in games for more than 20 years. EOMM is the new form of it which prioritizes the carrot on a stick method of keeping you just engaged enough to not sell your console

[clear viper]

Oh okay. Yeah that's what I hate

[flint atlas]

sbmm has been in games since matchmaking was a thing, its just gotten worse due to corporate interfernce and "engagement metrics". Ranked exists because people like to improve and measure progress

[daring lantern]

Actually SBMM was developed for Halo 2 in 2004 to make matchmaking put people of similar perceived skill in lobbies together and lessen the frequency of stacked lobbies

[feral garden]

I feel like a lot of people will jump back in to play WZ on Verdansk, but it just won't be close to the same game.

[warped lagoon]

yea that too

[clear viper]

Games need to bring back ranked lobbies I'm tired of going against sweats 😭😭

[warped lagoon]

right and it made matches less random, it appealed to people who wanted to play the game more professionally with skilled players

[warped lagoon]

Ranked lobbies is where the sweats are lol

[flint atlas]

you guys realise that people at the very top of games are there because they love the game right, no one is putting time and effort into something and seeking out ways to actively ruin it

[warped lagoon]

they just come to the casual ones too

[safe moat]

And the funny thing is that bringing back the old map wont fix the fundamental errors that still exists in Warzone

[clear viper]

Yeah I know but I mean so that they aren't as prevalent in casual lobbies

[daring lantern]

you'll never escape sweats. if they remove SBMM and add a ranked playlist, the sweats just play casual to farm easier kills

[flint atlas]

server browser on every platform fixes every issue with sbmm

[warped lagoon]

I agree but some do

Streamers sometimes

[flint atlas]

streamers have zero influence on games balance unless they are also in the top 0.1% of players

[warped lagoon]

they defo have an influence in some games lol

[clear viper]

I was honestly shocked when I learned people who play Battlefield use quick match matchmaking, I almost exclusively use server browsers except in the games that don't have them

[warped lagoon]

games that prioritize eSports will defo listen to streamers from time to time

[daring lantern]

this is wrong more often than it's right. people at the very top of games who are vocal on social media often only play those games in a career setting, so they seek to make the game easier for themselves, not better for everyone else

[warped lagoon]

yep

[feral garden]

I still don't think SBMM is a bad thing. This carrot on a stick version they have right now in COD just kinda sucks.

I'd prefer something more similar to ranked modes with actual visible ranking placement after X matches (Like was in Overwatch or similar.)

[flint atlas]

id bet most of the player base at this point wasnt playing when server browsers were the norm and are used to matchmaking, also consoles dont get a server browser most of the time

sbmm is necessary to some degree if you are using matchmaking and not server browser

its just being abused