battlefield-labs-discussion

[half halo]

Yoo, MW19 had so much awesome animations... Sad what happened in the sequels lmao

[pearl dawn]

Can we please make it that you can turn off skins for yourself so you dont see the silly skins

[blissful jolt]

no

[pearl dawn]

why you can have your skins i just dont want to see them

[vague barn]

What about not having the silly skins in the first place and only having skins grounded in what would realistically be applied to a rifle, e.g. camouflage sprays and patterns of various kinds?

[pearl dawn]

this would be fine like the skins in bf4 or somthing ...

[vague barn]

Yep. Pretty much the entire community is either indifferent or against having ridiculous/silly skins akin to 2042.

[heady thorn]

I honestly wouldnt even say 2042 has super ridiculous skins.. Not anywhere close to CoD. Lot of them are military aesthetics

[vague barn]

Or, I should say, those I have seen.

[heady thorn]

and also can we be realistic in some sense here, what sells? What do you think sells the most? Its not pure military aestethics.

[vague barn]

I mean, speaking for myself, I would not throw money on gold or purple or neon skins... So...

[heady thorn]

You might not no

I'm not saying there shouldn't NOT be military aesthetic cosmetics

Also shouldn't be CoD Level stuff

[pearl dawn]

i mean you can sell whatever you want but then let me turn off the skins so i have a better expierience for myself

[heady thorn]

but 2042 stuff is fine, most people actually don't really care about it

[heady thorn]

That is just not going to happen sadly.

There won't be a setting like that, when its cosmetic that makes them lot of money

At this point, i just want a good game.

[vague barn]

I get what you're saying, but I kinda don't think TV screens on rifles belong in a Battlefield game (SVK from 2042), whereas other skins like the forest skin for the DM7 does belong in-game.

[pearl dawn]

sadly yes

[vague barn]

I'm pretty sure all of us want a good game, just some of us have differing opinions on what counts as a good game.

[heady thorn]

You don't have to use the skin, and you absolutely will not really see that skin unless you pick it up in-game. I don't mind that stuff, i just want a good amount of just general camos ontop of whatever else

[vague barn]

Are there people who do think that gold colored weapon skins with attached LED screens have a place in a good game? No doubt. But I am not one of them.

[pearl dawn]

i would like it if it really goes back to the bf3 era

like good destruction good weapon gameplay

[heady thorn]

I won't lie though, i did buy this skin. Looks phenomenal.

[pearl dawn]

i mean it is ok but if its set in a iraq war setup or smth like that this would anoy me

[vague barn]

That I would classify as a skin that should not be in a Battlefield game. It's clearly detached from the core of what Battlefield (to me) is perceived as being about, a grounded experience that has some arcade elements.

[pearl dawn]

yeah it looks fine but i dont like it in bf as well

[heady thorn]

90% of the skin is military, except the mask. But tbh, stuff like this has been worn in war irl for fun lol

So has santa claus 🤣

[vague barn]

Don't get me wrong, I'd probably still play the game if that skin was in it, but I would be opposed to it having been included in the first place.

[vague barn]

But not in combat, now has it?

[heady thorn]

yes lol

Dude, people do all weird things

No matter if you like these or not, i think its good for people to accept that these type of cosmetics will continue. I do still think they should have plenty of actual camos and military skins.

We can just hope for at least a good game

[vague barn]

Are you trying to imply that someone preparing for a combat scenario seriously would dress up as Santa Claus or wear a horsehead or a T-Rex mask?

[heady thorn]

Not implying, its been done.

[vague barn]

I probably worded myself wrong, because I can imagine people engaging in combat with that kind of stuff on, but not deliberately when they have had time to actually prepare for a combat scenario.

[heady thorn]

You'd be surprised with the amount of gear soldiers can bring, and sometimes also somehow bring these kind of things.

There is also, lot of very.. specific patches

[heady thorn]

Lot of the time its not just as easy as preparing for a combat scenario, sometimes things just happen, sometimes you're just on patrol.

You can believe me or not, but it is a thing that happens

Not saying its super common, but it does happen.

[vague barn]

As part of a combat uniform that they themselves can put together for a scenario where their life will potentially be snatched away? No reasonably sane person would ever go "I'm going to wear a dinosaur mask into combat today!"

[heady thorn]

You put too much faith into people lol

[spice bramble]

There are so many military-themed skins they could sell that aren't too detached for reality

[vague barn]

Does it happen? Sure, when you're thrown into a situation you are not prepared for, e.g. a Taliban attack on a FOB when you aren't expecting one and goofing off with friends.

[heady thorn]

Yes, but you know what sells really well. Both, really good looking skins, and more ''wildish'' out there

[heady thorn]

I'm sorry but, it still has happend even in those kind of situations.

[vague barn]

No, it hasn't.

[spice bramble]

I'll use a COD skin as example. This skin isn't realistic but it's still somewhat grounded https://codmwstore.com/operators-identity/executive-warfighter/

And looks cool asf

[vague barn]

No reasonable person in a chain of command reaching above platoon level would ever permit it.

[heady thorn]

I don't think you are getting what i'm saying bud.

[vague barn]

I don't care what delusions you harbor, there is no way a person in the chain of command would permit a dinosaur mask, santa outfit, or similar idiotic items to be carried into a combat scenario.

[heady thorn]

It has happend though, especially on patrols 😅

You can look it up yourself.

[heady thorn]

Yeah that doesn't look bad 😄

[spice bramble]

Patrols different than a war, but then again, Battlefields a game

[heady thorn]

I know, i'm just using it as one example.

But its not something IMO, that would sell massively

[spice bramble]

I mostly ever only saw the skull mackay skin

[heady thorn]

Anyway, these kind of skins are not an issue. Some might not like them, but 90% of the time you're not going to look at a soldier this up close

There is that one shark skin in 2042 i don't like

[spice bramble]

Players wouldn't run the rubbish looking skins

[heady thorn]

It looks weird

[heady thorn]

Oh people do XD

[spice bramble]

Then I was lucky enough that I didn't notice

[heady thorn]

In BF5 i just ran blue santa haha

Loved that skin

❤️

[vague barn]

I'm not going to waste time and effort looking up a fictional element that if it has occurred, has only happened for public relations in scenarios where there is no risk of direct combat.

[spice bramble]

I just wonder how they wanna go about selling skins and making factions distinguishable

[heady thorn]

Thats up to you 😄

[vague barn]

If you want to present a shred of evidence beyond "trust me bro", that's your burden of proof, not mine.

[heady thorn]

We'll see what they do, 99% of the time i don't look at what someone looks like

Just icons

Health etc

I'm sure the classes will all have a recogniseable silhouette though

[spice bramble]

One can only dream that it looks like the Labs teaser

[heady thorn]

That teaser did look good, hopefully they show more

[vague barn]

The soldiers in the teaser looked suspiciously British in appearance 👀

[spice bramble]

I'm deluding myself into thinking they'll show us something next monday/tuesday

Not SHOW but announce, rather

Could at least start sending the invities

I'm so fucking desperate for BF and it's cringe

[heady thorn]

For sure a Recon, Support and Assault IMO.

the backpack would be a good silhouette for a support/medic

[spice bramble]

These look neat

I like the assault looking guy especially

[safe moat]

I expect the full announcement of the game in Summer Game Fest

[covert nest]

I ended up recreating the 1943 Japanese recon by accident.

[vague barn]

Backpack guy looks support-ish. Ghillie is pretty obviously recce, and the last one with everything between his MREs and the kitchen sink on his waist looks like assault.

[covert nest]

Which is really funny.

[spice bramble]

There's one more guy

Wish I had image perms.......

[heady thorn]

Absolutely is support

Same guy

[vague barn]

Yeah, I'd imagine so. Or maybe engineer?

[heady thorn]

looks good tho

[heady thorn]

Possibly engineer too

It has to be either support or engineer

I'm leaning on support tho

[vague barn]

Definitely.

[spice bramble]

Yo Torbis

DMs

[heady thorn]

This guy has.. a smaller backpack, hm

[spice bramble]

I just sent him to you, oh well

[heady thorn]

Ah that is what you dm'd

[safe moat]

So someone did some research and appareantly the Pre Alpha gameplay portion was on Egypt instead of Iran/Iraq

[heady thorn]

I will also say the shockwave looks 🔥

[vague barn]

Actually I think that might be Engineer, given the gas mask which just gives me engineer vibes.

[heady thorn]

Could be yea

[covert nest]

@heady thorn keisuke enjoyer?

Fucking autocorrect.

[spice bramble]

It's just a question of whether they'll go Assault, Medic, Support, Recon or if they will still include engineer

Or replace Support

Nvm Im just confused about it now

[heady thorn]

if the email is to go by anything

[vague barn]

I'd wager these are the ones that are gonna be the ones.

[heady thorn]

Yeah i'd expect so

I'm a dedicated engineer player

[vague barn]

Recce player all day long babyyyy

[spice bramble]

Tbh same

[covert nest]

I'd rather assault be anti tank to be honest.

[spice bramble]

I always used to play engineer over assault

[safe moat]

Im between Medic and Assault

[spice bramble]

Assault has anti-infantry gear, engi has anti-vehicle gear

I think it's clear

Support has god knows what

Hopefully mortars :)

[vague barn]

I'm kinda interested to see Assault get a limited quantity of disposable anti-tank launchers, stuff like RPG-26 or M72A7 LAW. Probably not AT4 or NLAW though.

[covert nest]

I don't like how support runs ammo and health.

Now if assault ran ammo box ala bad co 2 now that would be very interesting.

[spice bramble]

Let's go back to 7 classes and one gadget per class...

[covert nest]

I require ammo crate and claymores.

[vague barn]

Kinda would've liked for 5 classes; Assault, Engineer, Medic, Support, Recce. But I am kind of at a loss at how you would distribute the weapon categories for that, as well as how to have a good bit of variety in gadgets. Although, to be fair, more variety in gadgets might not be a good thing per definition as you kind of want to "channel" players into their role.

[vague barn]

I require Radio Beacon and T-UGS.

[spice bramble]

They can add gadgets that are similar in principle, but wary in stats

For example the rocket launchers. Ones that hit heavy but are fewer, ones that don't hit that much but are plenty

[covert nest]

Don't need to reply ping I'm right here.

[vague barn]

Yeah, like the Medical Pack and Medical Box.

[covert nest]

Resupply cycles would be a cool way to balance gadgets.

[spice bramble]

Yep

[safe moat]

The moment playtests begins I will look for any leaks

[vague barn]

Apologies, I forget to click to disable that.

[spice bramble]

If the selection is dire, then the at least they can spice it up that way

Way, SUPPOSEDLY gadgets will replenish themselves periodically

But I get this from a reddit comment, so about 10 tonnes of salt

Any of you ever used the EOD bot?

[vague barn]

As a meme, yes. And I think once in Rush on BF4 to arm an MCOM.

[safe moat]

That thing is a weapon of mass destruction

[spice bramble]

Genuinely never saw anyone use it for repairing

It was useless

And I've thought of a gadget now that sound good on paper but wouldn't work

[vague barn]

Which is?

Also holy heckeroonie batman, it's nearly 11 PM.

[spice bramble]

Was just looking if the audience is still here

[safe moat]

Because you don’t use it for repairing. You use it to kill people on small maps like Operation Locker

[spice bramble]

A satchel charge

But that would be explosive spam

[vague barn]

Correctemundo.

[spice bramble]

Too bad I won't touch locker with a 10 meter long stick

[vague barn]

I'm gonna head off for the night, enjoy chaps

[spice bramble]

See you at uh

Whenever I wake up tomorrow, I always see you here

[safe moat]

Dont worry, the Bouncing Grenade that some guy launched on the hallway got you anyway

[ivory hamlet]

is there any date when the open testing stuff opens

[half halo]

We don't know yet

Last they said was last week when they announced it would happen in the coming weeks

[ivory hamlet]

oh ok

thx

[amber tulip]

Anyone wanna help me test the dps of every gun ?

[ivory hamlet]

ok

wait how do you know

no????wtf

[heady trail]

nevermind

ignore dude

[ivory hamlet]

uhhhhh ok

[nimble bridge]

Finally someone who gets it

BFV was perfect, issue was player model visibility

[heady trail]

100%, but unfortunately people are blinded by nostalgia so the new battlefield game willl be a dorito fest

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-fat-doritos-nikke-gif-3638811687278101957

[ebon beacon]

In 2042? can't you turn damage numbers on and go to the firing range Portal experience?

Remember when everyone complained about lack of visibility in 2042 so they brought it back to that game? Pain.

[amber tulip]

In battlefield labs

[surreal cloud]

bf4 goes too far the other way in visibility though, even without doritos all players feel like they have a TON of contrast around them, like a shimmer or sharpness effect

[nimble bridge]

Only skin I would buy is shark Zain skin not because skin looks good but weapons looks good, M5 and LCMG looks amazing in that bundle, also pretty cheap

BF skins can look cool without looking ridiculous, they should just do what they've been doing since BF1, give capes to everyone

Assault: ARs with ammo box
Support: LMG medic
Engineer: SMG(or Carbine) anti vehicle
Recon: is Recon

Perfect class balance imo

BF3-4 assault was too much of a lone wolf due to health packs and defibs, BF1-5 medic was too much of a lone wolf due to SMGs and infinite hp regen

LMG medic balances that out, LMGs will naturally have worse mobility than SMGs so they won't be the go-to class for farming

[low vine]

That would be the perfect class balance.

[crystal fossil]

Seeing people forcing others to not pre order seems be childish

I spent 100 on 2042, I only have 20 hours of gameplay, but i dont feel regret, that's my money.

[raw python]

With what? blackmail?

[scenic igloo]

Because people are dumb and they need to be reminded

[crystal fossil]

Well not really

[scenic igloo]

Why give EA money before game is out

[crystal fossil]

Why not

Idc i just wanna play

Something new

Early

[raw python]

With what? Blackmail?

[crystal fossil]

Everywhere

In social media

[scenic igloo]

Its digital game will not disappear if you wait for reviews day 1 and then buy it after

[crystal fossil]

The teaser is enough for me

[raw python]

How..... just words... hardly forcing.

But yes, the world is full of sheep following everywhere not making decisions for themselves

[crystal fossil]

Well maybe you don't know of hyperbole

[crystal fossil]

I wouldn't consider someone a sheep that just wanna play first

Wouldn't care and regret if the new bf is just like 2042

[soft cradle]

2042 was like flying out of a jet with a AT to destroy another jet. that made the Prepaid go up. LOL

[raw python]

No i'm talking about the people you are saying that listen to whatever you are reference to "everywhere" on "social media"

[crystal fossil]

Yeah well, last time i played was one or 2 years ago forgor

[raw python]

it's the dumb joys of it.....

[crystal fossil]

Well do you find normal seeing some insulting others for willing to pre ordering ?

[raw python]

why even ingage with those idiots about it. you do you....

[soft cradle]

I think this one is going to be way better.

[crystal fossil]

See, that's what I'm talking about

[soft cradle]

With Battle lab the help of real player is going to make it better. They just have to listen

[raw python]

I don't understand why people get so caught up on such a fickle topic.

influencing others to buy/pre-order etc....

[crystal fossil]

Anyway

[crystal fossil]

Back to what I was saying

I'm following bf franchise since bf bad company 2

Since then I'm pre ordering lol

The teaser just gave me a scoop of nostalgia

[raw python]

i'm in the same boat

[crystal fossil]

Cool

Veterans the best

I just went in youtube while yall were writing, I come back and still writing 😭

[raw python]

BC2, BF3 & BF4 we're my bread and butter..... i hardly played other games back then because i had so much fun with these 3 titles.
Played them all with the same team and all...... 14 years later, myself and the founder of TSC like in my avatar are still waiting for a good BF title to return.

[crystal fossil]

Yk my fathers still plays bf3 since its release

[raw python]

I was more Battlefielder that Gamer 🤣

[soft cradle]

First thing first they have to get off that 4 squad platform. if you want a great game follow the BF2 platform then add BF2 and 3 and 5 to the mix with real movement and gear weight.

[crystal fossil]

Btw all I said before was ragebait 😭 sry

[raw python]

I believe it.

[raw python]

Yeah I've thin skin for it becuase i know it's pointless chatting about it lol

[crystal fossil]

Rn Im reinstalled bfV after 2 years of slumber, I'm rushing it while my fathers do some bf3, he doesn't like any bf after bf 3, he says that movements are arcade like

[crystal fossil]

Lol

[raw python]

I'm just after coming on here to post asking for a real format on this discord for some structure for real objective topics on Battlefiled. Check out the section called "This is Battlefield Labs" in the blogs section....

[crystal fossil]

I saw

[soft cradle]

Boxer V tell you father have he played BF2 before.

[raw python]

I'd urge him on BF4 at least on that....

[soft cradle]

You have to be a true Vet to play BF2

[crystal fossil]

I never talked here tbh, I just joined here to hear about 2042 news before its release

[crystal fossil]

He tried 😭

[soft cradle]

2042 is here already Boxer

[raw python]

movement was hardly the reason for that one?

[crystal fossil]

Ik, that's why I said joined

Back in 2021

[crystal fossil]

It was not really hard, but the movement felt like goofy and fast

He is just not used to switch bf 3

After more than 10 years gameplay

[raw python]

I've been on BF4 this week for the first time in 5/6 years.... feels slow as hell now

have almost 5k hours on it XD

[soft cradle]

I've played all the BF and the one that is the best when i comes to teamplay is BF2

[crystal fossil]

Also the reason he doesn't like bf1 is bc of soldier get well hidden in the shadow

The gameplay is totally diff

[raw python]

oh course.... BF1 onwards inclusive never have balance vehilce gameplay from that point onwards

and that's coming from me being the vehicle player abusing it

[crystal fossil]

Bf2 was my first, i was 6-8 years old I think I remember that looking up in the skies would trick ennemies into thinking that you're dead 😭

[crystal fossil]

Oh that yes

I would spam that wheeled canon far away while ennemies couldn't even reach to me

It was like playing on chopper

[soft cradle]

They should turn off enemies names. The look threw walls at friendly and player kill camera

[crystal fossil]

I can't even spot on BFV so help 😭

Where is the spotting buttom

[raw python]

The best rock paper scissors formula was there since BC2.... heck it was explained in the game menu intro.... BF3 & BF4 also.... then poof.... that was the special sauce they forgot since that slipped all the dominos that fell with it.

[crystal fossil]

Yeah sadly

Anyway, good talk I liked, I have to go

Cya !

[wintry barn]

I miss bc2 so damn much, getting kills from blowing the whole building up...good times

[tepid plinth]

1 does a solid job of it too, each class fills a specific purpose and it doesn’t feel like each is just the other with a different gadget. It actually feels like 4 different playstyles, which I can appreciate

[crystal fossil]

I barely have any memories, i only have that loading screen, with the number 2 rotating itself

[raw python]

@tepid plinth ok.... i have a good example for you that arose from competitive games..... can you tell me how the spotting flare is countered with the rock/paper/sissors idea?

[nimble bridge]

Why are you bragging about being a consoomer for 15+ years

[raw python]

As this broke three land infy maps like that forest one (i forget the name).... but 3 recons with support ammo can bottle nect the 3 lanes by keeping them spammed

[crystal fossil]

Read below lmao, it was a rage bait

Again it worked

[tepid plinth]

1’s isn’t, it’s not fair and I agree with that sentiment. Just saying each class actually feels unique

[raw python]

Curious to know what's your point to add to the conversation with that entrance to the chat

[crystal fossil]

What is sbmm ? I keep hearing that

In simple words

[raw python]

yeah.... unique is nice.... i vaule well thought mechanics that make a game fun to play for the long term. 😉

[nimble bridge]

Pre orders are bad because they will half ass the game once they see the high pre order counts, they will give us another broken launch and fix it 6 months later

[tepid plinth]

Making it so that when you queue into a match, the players you play with and against are hand picked based off how good you are at the game

[crystal fossil]

That conversation was over we concluded it being a joke

[crystal fossil]

Omg, my head

[raw python]

Is this breaking news.... dude you're talking to people you literally said are consumers for 15 years 🤣
it's not us causing it.....

there are bigger cogs to the machine at play

[crystal fossil]

He is reacting to my rage bait but he didn't knew it was a joke

[raw python]

SBMM - Skilled Based Match Making.... i thing that's the answer you wanted

[crystal fossil]

So this is about skills

[tepid plinth]

Yes, as I clarified

[raw python]

when someone says, i keep hearing that.... i take it they don't know what it even stands for 😉

[crystal fossil]

Sry the longer the text is, the blurry it seems for me

[tepid plinth]

I see

[crystal fossil]

Sry

[tepid plinth]

It’s good

In general, people you play with are of your own skill level

If the game uses sbmm

As opposed to putting you with completely random people

[raw python]

which in turn gives you a wider range of experiences of gameplay as you will actually find mixed skilled levels..... if sbmm is active game will just feel the same more often

[tepid plinth]

Mixed just feels better

[crystal fossil]

I see more clear

[raw python]

yup. more random mean you take the good with the bad

[crystal fossil]

Ty gn

[raw python]

i've to go too

gn. good chat 👍

[signal vigil]

All my homies hate sbmm

[zinc socket]

Probably won’t happen but I would love for DICE to bring the KH2002 back from BF3 just like they did for other weapons such as the AN94

[sacred vault]

have most people gotten their email confirming they're part of the playtests?

or some form of response back?

[digital niche]

Yes after signing up and completing the survey.

[sacred vault]

when i completed the survey a few weeks ago, it prompted me to return to the portal homepage, i was clicking it and nothing happened

does that null and void my survey if i can't see it anymore after that

[digital niche]

I honestly have no clue.

All I did was get in line, go to sleep, wake up, go to work, come back later in the evening, come back to my PC, and see that I'm at the survey page and I did the survey.

[lost gale]

Same issue for me.
I did the Survey but never managed to press the back to portal Button.

The entries in the Survey are still there if you reopen it, but there's the possibility it didn't send the Survey.

What we can do now? I'm honestly not sure

[spice bramble]

Is that the first time you ever signed up for a playtest?

[lost gale]

For me yes

[spice bramble]

You probably just got a confirmation that you made an account

[sacred vault]

so you are still seeing a sign up for the playtest survey?

[lost gale]

No, I didn't receive any confirmation in form of a mail or notification on my Labs Profile.

It just says 'no play Tests available' and I haven't received any kind of notification because the Survey wasn't successful as it is the case for you

[sacred vault]

yep same here

[lost gale]

I still see the answers I've given, but I don't think it did send

[sacred vault]

whereas i don't see the answers i gavev

can you screenshot that or something

[lost gale]

So when you start the Survey again you don't see previous answers?
Yes I do see them

[sacred vault]

i dont have the option to start it again

[lost gale]

I'm busy today, I'm afraid I can't do that rn

[lost gale]

Ok that's an even different situation then

Hopefully we get someone to help us

[sacred vault]

even for profile prefences it wont let me go back to the portal hub

at the end of that survey

[smoky notch]

Hey guys, I’m not partaking the labs but, what teams there would be ? (Just brainstorming)

Didn’t one of the devs said like it’s going to be NATO vs some PMC?

[vague barn]

Most likely NATO v. PMC if you ask me. I don't know if it was a dev that dropped that information or not though.

[ember summit]

It was a Rumor from Tom Hendersen

[nimble bridge]

NATO vs Outer Heaven

[smoky notch]

I’m from Russia and I wonder how they will present Russians in the lore

[vague barn]

Hopefully as a terrorist state.

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/big-boss-kaifalcon-kept-you-waiting-huh-mgsv-mgs5-gif-26634832

[nimble bridge]

If PMC rumors are true Russian will be in it imo, PMC can be pseudo PAC for all we can assume(Iran, Russia, China, Japan, Korea etc.)

[vague barn]

I doubt Japan would be in the de facto OPFOR faction if the NATO v. PMC rumour is true. NATO and Japan has a close relationship, same goes for S. Korea.

[feral garden]

They can make it blue vs red for all I care. I just want good maps, good combined arms balance, a classic BF class system and a decent amount of weapons.

[spice bramble]

We're getting too ambitious here

It will just be reskinned USA vs Russia

[nimble bridge]

PMCs aren't aligned to any country, that's why you can include non-NATO western ally countries in it without causing an issue

I expect to see some NATO country weaponry and vehicles in it too if it's true

[vague barn]

Not necessarily aligned to any country, but fair enough, I will concede that it'd be possible for Japanese troops in such a faction.

[ember summit]

This "PMC" if it turns out to be the case will be 'Not Russia' lets be honest

[nimble bridge]

Rumors are so specific, I don't think it will be just US vs notRussia, teaser shown us some British soldier outfits too rather than US afaik

I expect to see more than 2 countries per faction in it

[vague barn]

Agreed, I really hope they have stuff like country packs if it turns out to be a general NATO faction and not just a different name for USMC/RMC.

Minor detail that I won't be bothered if they are present or not, but would like to see as NATO is quite a large alliance these days.

[feral garden]

US vs UK

[nimble bridge]

[vague barn]

1776 all over again!!

[spice bramble]

Hobby

[safe moat]

I would love to have a NATO faction where each Squad had its own smaller faction. Like one squad would be US, one squad would be UK, one squad would be Germany etc

[spice bramble]

What's your opinion on T90s going 40kmh in reverse

I knooow its for balance but T series is notorious for its slow reverse speeds

[vague barn]

Uhh, I mean, I don't particularly care since I avoid vehicles like the plague, both in terms of using and going up against them.

[ember summit]

That's pre alpha footage. Could just be some hastily grated together existing assets

[feral garden]

My opinion is that they should ignore things based on reality in this respect.

[nimble bridge]

I think players will be able to choose outfits based on their country, maybe character models too, like in BFV you could choose many preset faces for your character, they even had different voice actors if I remember

[ember summit]

Remember the unreleased internal BF 2042 trailer that was apparently made with BF4 assets?

[ember summit]

What do you mean?

[safe moat]

That could be another idea. Allow players to chose their soldier’s nationality

Since from the rumors the major faction is NATO, it doesn’t really matter to focus on one nationality only

[vague barn]

I think that'd be the ideal system, have it be a cosmetic change up to the individual.

[feral garden]

Making a T90 reverse slower than an Abrams tank will do nothing for the gameplay

[ember summit]

Oh that

[feral garden]

It will just be frustrating for players.

[safe moat]

Also allows for EA to create more skins and monetize them

[spice bramble]

I only mentioned it because Hobby is into weaponry

[ember summit]

Yeah that's a bit too into the weeds

[vague barn]

Unfortunately also a factor.

[ember summit]

Because real life isn't balanced

[vague barn]

Yes, indeed I am.

[ember summit]

see war thunder

[spice bramble]

Of course I don't want 15KM reverse speed for the T90

[vague barn]

I don't care much for tanks, other than being able to identify their type.

[ember summit]

I wouldn't mind some asymmetrical balance like in faction weapons. But that'd be a ton of work and not worth it

[safe moat]

I mean while it being a kind of negative, its gonna happen because they really need to up their financials after Veilguard

[vague barn]

Infantryism is my religion and reconnaissance is my denomination.

[safe moat]

Their stocks are down ALOT

[spice bramble]

I think that if they were to introduce tanks of different countries, they could at least give each of them their own upsides and downsides

Like some tanks being more fragile but hit harder and such

[safe moat]

While that would be cool, it would also lead to a potentional balancing hell

[vague barn]

I'd have to disagree tbh, they should be statistically identical imo.

[feral garden]

I do hope vehicles in the next game have less weaponry upgrades that make older unlocks irrelevant. Like APS made all other countermeasures basically pointless.

[spice bramble]

Let's just hope that vehicles aren't universal this time around

[ember summit]

APS should be its own category TBH

separate from vehicle smoke

[feral garden]

Yeah, at least even in 2042 you saw they knew this was a mistake

[ember summit]

You should the choice between Hardkill APS and Softkill APS

[spice bramble]

If they truly wanted to make a BR beforehand then I'm not surprised

[feral garden]

Also....thermal smoke makes normal smoke irrelivant. Thermal smoke should have been a transparent chaff like material. Which didnt obscure vision

If both obscure visibility of your vehicle, but one of them also breaks lock ons...who in their right mind would choose the normal smoke

[vague barn]

Imo normal smoke shouldn't be implemented since it is practically never used either in game or real life.

[safe moat]

Yea, they wanted the main game to be Hazard Zone, and look at what that caused

[nimble bridge]

They should implement vehicle plus system

[feral garden]

Normal smoke can be added as a way for a tank to assists infantry pushes. Like instead of a static cloud, a tank could pop it and roll onto an objective area. Giving your team vital cover from direct fire.

[vague barn]

Oh, like ESS? Basically a continuous smoke cloud.

[feral garden]

Other things id like to see on vehicles is more support options. Like smoke nade launchers.

Tank 3rd seat with Soflam, ETC.

[vague barn]

I know BF4 had a separate seat that had access to SOFLAM. Pretty sure it was a separate mode for the RCWS gunner though.

[feral garden]

Removal of press X to repair. Or move it back to how internal repairs was in BFV, combined with how it was on BF1.

TLDR; You hold X to repair, this limits your movement speed until you stop repairing. After holding input for X seconds (It was long in BFV), your vehicle repairs. At the same time, internal repairs should only be possible if you have a repair tool equipped.

[nimble bridge]

Someone on reddit who claimed to be a playtester said vehicle repair stations are returning from BFV

[feral garden]

That would be good. Hopefully vehicles move back closer to how they felt in BFV.

[nimble bridge]

I expect tanks to be chunkier if that's the case, slower but with higher armor needing teamwork to take down

[feral garden]

Vehicles were a threat in that game, and in BF1, 4, 3 ETC

2042 has too many options to take down vehicles. And for those options, the vehicles feel under armored.

Removing C4 from 80% of soldiers and not having a portable TGM would help this a lot.

[crimson zinc]

I hope they put the air raid from 1943 back in a game! I would love to have 1943 on the next portal!

[dry grotto]

NLAW should totally return

[nimble bridge]

I hope they will add a modern lunge mine

[vague barn]

Agreed. Way too many people had access to C4 and the TGM was a little weird to say the least.

[nimble bridge]

It was fun as hell to rush to a tank, drop an ammo box below your feet and rush again

[vague barn]

Would be cool if they somehow added that PLOS mechanic that the NLAW has IRL.

[dry grotto]

Battlefield tank is much more mobile for PLOS to hit

[vague barn]

Yeah, fair point.

[dry grotto]

also damage is likely to be very low

[feral garden]

The devs obviously know how much of an issue C5 is in 2042. But they couldnt fully destroy existing players playstyles by fully removing it. The reduction of C5 count on assault/recon from 3 > 2 did help, but not enough IMO.

Next game should have C5 on only 2 classes. Engineer and Recon, or Support and Recon (Depending on what they set as those classes roles)

[dry grotto]

Add Specialist class

[vague barn]

pls i can only agree so much

[nimble bridge]

C5 Mackay/Sundance is too OP imo

[spice bramble]

C5's are problem because of how mobile the specialists are

[nimble bridge]

But I use it whenever I see a vehicle

[spice bramble]

Also, you throw them way too fast

[dry grotto]

movement speed should be a bit lower

[vague barn]

I think 4 classes is kinda the golden number without breaking a bunch of stuff.

[feral garden]

True, mobility is/was an issue. but only part of the C5 problem.

Class wise, id just copy/paste BF4 😄

[smoky notch]

If NATO vs PMC is true then they could implant as many variety of vehicles like in bad company 2

[raw python]

I would say have a smoke shell. That's a real thing.
Have one shell upgrade that's lethal.... The other non lethal/tactical.

Sometimes to truly cover a team... You just need to smoke the enemy that's causing the issue at range.... Of which the tank is the only then that will get a smoke shell to

[smoky notch]

Because NATO is not just an Abrams and Bradley tanks

[dry grotto]

I found Assault in BF4 have Medic kit quite weird

[spice bramble]

Bravo

[smoky notch]

Leopard and etc

[nimble bridge]

Assault should have ammo box imo

[vague barn]

I feel like very few people would use it, but it'd be a good tool to have.

[raw python]

Once it's in ... There will be a monkey see monkey do pandemic hahaha

[vague barn]

If assault had an ammo box I would make it a limited use item and not a regenerative gadget.

[nimble bridge]

It should be regenerative imo

Assault should have med pen and an ammo box

[feral garden]

Make assault the medic, give support the ammo and C4.

[nimble bridge]

Assault becomes too much of a lone wolf that way

[feral garden]

Players will play lone wolf regardless of who they make the medic.

[vague barn]

Idk I think medical should be in the Support class and Ammo in the Engineer class.

[nimble bridge]

Not if they made medic support with LMGs

[feral garden]

Assault at least gives your frontline soldier class the best weaponry to perform that task

[raw python]

I enjoyed the bc2 classes to gadgets AND primary limitations

[nimble bridge]

Speaking of, should they bring back kit changing or not?

[feral garden]

NA, weapon swap only

[nimble bridge]

I would like to see it return personally

[vague barn]

You mean at stuff like commander dropped ammo crates?

[nimble bridge]

No I mean you picked up a weapon but also the kit from a dead soldier

[feral garden]

It my opinion that if I see a medic, I should be able to judge their equipment based on what I see. Not based on what they may have picked up

[raw python]

Was awesome and strategic. Rewarding for players that knew the advantages

[nimble bridge]

You could swap to a recon and place spawn beacons

Midfight

[dry grotto]

Specialist: AR, SMG, Funny Gadgets, Grenade launcher
Medic: AR, Carbine, Medic stuff
Recon, Rifle, DMR, Carbine, Spotting device
Engineer: AR, Carbine, SMG, AT missile, rocket, mine, ADS
Support: Machine guns, Carbine, Ammo

[vague barn]

Oh, no, I would limit it to their weapon alone.

[feral garden]

"Sir, I am trained as a medic. How do I use this beacon object?"

[nimble bridge]

I dislike Assault being anti-tank, people don't play assault to be anti tank

[raw python]

Not one shotgun. Interesting

[nimble bridge]

Shotguns shouldn't exist imo

[dry grotto]

oh shotgun

i missed that LOL

[feral garden]

I think its also bad for the ease of understanding of your game. If ive chosen to play as a medic, I should continue to play as a medic.

[nimble bridge]

I would like to see it being an option honestly, hold E to swap weapon, hold F to swap kit

[feral garden]

If I see a weapon on the ground, and pick it up, I generally only want that weapon. Not also the random assortment of gear some random is using 😄

[dry grotto]

Overall, I think one Engineer class should fulfill all vehicle needs

maybe ADS can move to Support role

[spice bramble]

I never kit switched for the weapon, mostly just to heal myself and drop ammo boxes

[feral garden]

engineer should have vehicle repair tools, mines, and launchers.

[vague barn]

I wouldn't mind if assault had some limited anti-vehicle capability. Probably not disposable anti-tank launchers as I mentioned yesterday but maybe HEDP 40mm grenades that can damage APCs and IFVs but not MBTs.

[feral garden]

Engineers probably shouldnt have C4.

[dry grotto]

yes

[raw python]

I enjoyed in titles where I could take an enemy kit, drop ammo / med box and swap back

[dry grotto]

Grenade launcher should have anti vehicle shells

[feral garden]

But it depends on the roles they design them for

[vague barn]

Time will tell 🥳

[raw python]

That was rewarding. Motion balls same thing

[nimble bridge]

Assault should be ammo guy imo, support should be the LMG medic, engineers should be SMG anti tanks imo

Recon is the most consistent class

[vague barn]

Ngl as much as I use motion sensor balls in Battlefield, I hate that they exist.

[dry grotto]

support change to medic role

that's kinda interesting

[raw python]

Yeah I'm the same

[feral garden]

Im sure that BF Labs will help them find a good balance for classes/gadgets, weapons, ETC.

[nimble bridge]

I never use them because enemies can use it to their own advantage

[plain bluff]

didnt we have a discussion on weapon availability for classes?

[raw python]

I'd prefer instead of a minimal have a general radar ping or compass with red chevrons at most.
You've to open the big map to view pinged enemies ino

imo*

[plain bluff]

wish we could pin the messages

[dry grotto]

BF2 class system is quite interesting

[nimble bridge]

I don't want 6 classes honestly

Each squad has 4 players

[plain bluff]

there we go

[vague barn]

I'd much rather have the motion sensor ball be replaced by something else. Maybe splitting T-UGS into a seismic and an acoustic device. Seismic detects enemies closer to it based on footsteps while acoustic detects farther away based on gunfire.

[dry grotto]

but I would combine SF with Assault, and Engineer with AT

[nimble bridge]

That's the case in like most BF games, maybe not SF stuff

[raw python]

I've asked for more organized threads by topic in the other section called this is battlefield labs

[raw python]

5 players in a squad is the best number

[dry grotto]

in olden days you got 8 squad members

[plain bluff]

explain to me why the squad number shouldnt be equal to class number

curious

or at the very least be an even number

[raw python]

Squads should get a bonus incentive for having one of each class in the squad. Have a 5th in a game with 4 classes is the flexibility on a per map basis.

I'll tell you another reason why for 5.

[nimble bridge]

We don't need more than 4 imo, they should bring back class specialities from BFV instead

[feral garden]

I think thats going too deep with design.

[dry grotto]

In battlefield there's no "squad leader" as such, why more

[plain bluff]

getting a bonus for using all classes in a squad sounds like a participation medal

how would you even calculate the bonus?

[nimble bridge]

Like recon could be a sniper or a frontlines pusher depending on your class specialty in V

[raw python]

Let say you have yourself and 4 mates in a squad.
Now a 6th friend of the group wants to join. Great, then two squads of 3..... Or 2 for a vehicle squad and keep the 4 for the advantage of numbers in an infy squad

[feral garden]

Players have always had freedom to pick the class they want. Trying to add incentives for using all classes seems like a bad move.

[dry grotto]

In BF4 you can either use sniper or carbine with recon

[plain bluff]

6 per squad sounds better than 5

any more and the VC would get hectic as fuck

[feral garden]

Neither 5 or 6 divide equally into 64. So wont be done

[dry grotto]

then why not accurately 9 member per squad

[spice bramble]

Too many people

[vague barn]

I never liked the Pathfinder specialty. I don't want other squads to spawn on my beacons and revealing the position.

[dry grotto]

or 12 per section

[tepid plinth]

Just imagine seeing someone alone out in an open field then suddenly 8 teammates appear out of thin air on them

[raw python]

Now, if you do that with 4 person squad limit.... Your already splitting them into two two's .... Always one squad as 2 they may not be vehicle players.... And bf isn't as good when your infy in a small squad

[feral garden]

You should absolutely be allowed to queue for games with more than 4 players tho.

[dry grotto]

oh yeah

[plain bluff]

oh, squad linking should be a thing then

[nimble bridge]

I used it to spawn on the beacon closest to objective, placed my own beacon, popped off some smokes and trench carbined my flank

[plain bluff]

both squad leaders get the option to send and approve squad linking, and it simply highlights the linked squad with a different colour.

[vague barn]

I hated it with a passion because people kept spawning on my beacons and shooting while standing literally on top of it.

[dry grotto]

to be fair, I think most people find 4 men squad being fine is most people only have three mates playing it

[raw python]

Unless we get commanders again 🤣

[dry grotto]

YES COMMANDER

Commander should be able to rubbish other squad leaders

*"my grandma is better than you"

BFV support is another good option tho

[raw python]

They only have 3 because they always stuck in the 4 man. Open the squad to one more and an open mic and you'll find a + 1 that evening if you're a half decent human being. Isn't that the nice thing about the battlefield community versus other more toxic shooter clubs out there?

Battlefield is about the teamwork

[vague barn]

I don't think Battlefield squad sizes had or have an impact on how many mates someone has, I have to say.

[raw python]

And building a sense of community

[nimble bridge]

Understandable, I mostly used pathfinder for flanks, someone also posted cut class specialities and they were OP honestly. Like a recon speacility allowed you to cycle bolt without unscoping or a support speciality allowed you to use MMGs while crouching.

[vague barn]

Also keep in mind that a full squad needs to be able to join a server without causing a massive team inbalance.

[nimble bridge]

MMG crouching would've made me use MMGs honestly

[raw python]

Well if it directly effects how many people you can talk on VoIP.... Then I say it does

[tepid plinth]

They can have as many squad mates as they like, my only concern would be having a full 9 man team just materialise instantly out of thin air. Easier to manage when it’s just 3 other guys

[dry grotto]

I still think BF teamwork is kinda less important

[vague barn]

Discord.

[weary sandal]

[raw python]

I'm saying for 5.... Not 9 🤣

[tepid plinth]

Bf teamwork is always an accidental effect of someone just trying to keep themselves alive. Very few people actually play for the good of others

[plain bluff]

2 weeks after unlocking my mg42 i was on nearly 200k bullets fired

[nimble bridge]

Defending flag 1v2 then suddenly it's 9v2

[dry grotto]

spawn on the teammate nearest to the point is what BF teamwork normally goes

[vague barn]

Also, granted I am a PC player, but I can count on three fingers how many times I have seen people use VoIP.

[plain bluff]

playing as a random nowadays is dying

[tepid plinth]

And then 70% of them speak a language I don’t even know

[vague barn]

Precisely.

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, it's a bullet dispenser

[tepid plinth]

Managed to have my first English text conversation after a week of playing lol

[vague barn]

I have no doubt it is in 2042, but I tend to do alright/decent enough in BF4 as a random.

[plain bluff]

i dont own 2042

[vague barn]

Ah okay.

[raw python]

I am wondering if the spawn on team mates we have grown to know will be looked at this game.....

[plain bluff]

i speak generally. for any multiplayer game

maybe it comes with age

[nimble bridge]

It will be fine if they keep it 4 player squads and not 8

[vague barn]

Mayhaps.

[plain bluff]

playing alone is garbo thoughever.

[tepid plinth]

Unfortunately the only way I can play

[vague barn]

Idk man, sometimes when you feel a little homicidal and have a thirst for blood, it can be better to play solo.

[dry grotto]

more than 4 players would certainly means spawn SQL only

[raw python]

If that's from bf2042 it because it wasn't in the game at first and when it was.... It was off by default.... And we know the masses don't go root in settings

[vague barn]

Same 😭

[dry grotto]

I played 2042 on pc

[plain bluff]

in rare cases where im zoinked out the ears by caffeine and energy drinks

[tepid plinth]

Gotta love how my mates play every bf, I can’t cause my system is bad, 2042 comes out and I build a pc to prep, and they never want to touch it or any shooters at all afterwards for that matter

[dry grotto]

nobody talk

[raw python]

Been playing Arma Reforger, he'll let loose..... Games like that prove the joy of better open game VoIP and what it adds

[dry grotto]

in fact 99% my BF play time, nobody talks

[tepid plinth]

It would just be a net benefit

[raw python]

Which games?

[vague barn]

Problem; those are drastically different games than Battlefield dude.

[dry grotto]

BF4 BF1 BFV and 2042

[plain bluff]

those games tend to attract older players though. who arent twitchy little spazzes

[tepid plinth]

If I’m behind a sand dune on suez someone could take that leader stance and actually tell others to use smokes, and where

[raw python]

PC or console?

[dry grotto]

pc

💀

[raw python]

Yeah PC is all discord for sure. Console side is less adopted to it

[tepid plinth]

One thing I can appreciate about a good SL in squad is how they can give new players direction if they don’t know what to do, that sort of thing id love in bf

Just let us talk to people nearby and the world will be great

Plus it’ll be funny lol

[raw python]

Yup

[dry grotto]

Teammates gotta do is get closer to the point so guys can spawn in

[vague barn]

Problem is no one will listen to it because with frags they might get kills/dopamine whereas smoke is just concealment and even though it might bring them more dopamine per minute in the future, it isn't instant like frags can be.

[dry grotto]

👀

[plain bluff]

thats only really possible if you have an SL that isnt burdened by a possible failure. i tended to SQL quite a lot when HLL first released and the #1 priority is establishing a common ground. usually through jokes and larping

[dry grotto]

I found nobody talk in HLL inf squads as well

💀

[tepid plinth]

2042 tried to amend this in a way with smoke exp points, but yeah this is why I say teamplay is mostly accidental. Someone throws down an ammo box to supply themselves which happens to help others, etc

[vague barn]

Exactly.

[tepid plinth]

Although the stakes in bf are far, far lower, I imagine people would catch onto it a bit easier. I mean you can go a whole game without the sl giving a single order and still win, that’s heresy in Squad or what have you. Someone who uses voice would add a little extra while someone who doesn’t use it isn’t necessarily a detriment

Like if I’m amongst some random people and I tell them to throw smokes at 130 then charge, I reckon a few may listen. That might help at least somewhat

[dry grotto]

BF is still a fast pace game

equals less squad level decisions need to make

[tepid plinth]

That is true, but just talking about proximity chat as a whole I’ve been in many situations where it existing would have either been more fun, or potentially get some more pushing power rallied up

[vague barn]

Problem with proxy chat is that there's no way to effectively moderate it. You'd end up with people shouting all kinds of slurs, meaning most people would just end up muting it, kind of nullifying its purpose.

[dry grotto]

You can always get away from those idiots

[vague barn]

And I don't want this game to turn into 2010's Call of Duty games with people screaming their head off.

[tepid plinth]

Make it easy as possible to mute someone specific I say. For chat you can just press H, given the player count it would be tough, but some method like maybe looking at someone and pressing a bind, or looking at a ‘players nearby list’, anything to avoid disabling the whole thing to get it working

[vague barn]

Not as easy as it sounds if you're by chance trying to cooperate toward a common goal.

[dry grotto]

What, they will follow you?

[tepid plinth]

If you’re playing something like breakthrough it would be hard to avoid them as everyone is bunched up

[vague barn]

No, but I would have to abandon the objective to get away from them.

[spice bramble]

I can count on one hand how many times I coordinated with someone, let alone heard someone, besides russians, speak in VC

[vague barn]

This is a better way of putting it.

[spice bramble]

Ya'll overestimate the amount teamwork in Battlefield

[tepid plinth]

At the very least I’d be interested in seeing of proximity chat changes anything

[dry grotto]

Yeah, teamwork in BF is like, 5%

[plain bluff]

i still remember smoking the 2nd escalator on metro and running towards the back cap, just so i could place down the spawner next to their spawn and proceed to farm the entire game

[tepid plinth]

I know I’d enjoy it for the social aspect, but as an experiment I’d be intrigued

[dry grotto]

proxy chat could boost morale

[vague barn]

Proxy chat could also decrease morale.

[tepid plinth]

You’ll have a few role players which would also be funny lmao

[dry grotto]

yeah

[vague barn]

You will always have those who will use proxy chat to berate their teammates rather than use it for constructive purposes, and let me tell you, there are a lot more of that kind of person out there than cooperative team players.

[spice bramble]

There's a trade off to everything

[plain bluff]

even trade offs

[spice bramble]

Proxy chat toggle is all that's needed for that

[vague barn]

Indeed, you could and would undoubtedly have epic moments with proxy chat, but they would be few and far between.

[dry grotto]

Maybe you can also enable or disable proxy chat

[vague barn]

I'd wager 75% would just disable it or keep it disabled.

Idk man, I just can't see it turning out well.

[dry grotto]

nobody on pc will talk

so im fine

[spice bramble]

The more competetive a game is the worse the chat is

Insurgency has proxy and it's actually funny lol

[dry grotto]

C S 2

[vague barn]

I have had some very fun and memorable moments in Insurgency: Sandstorm proxy chat, I will admit.

[dry grotto]

*Russian kids in csgo

[spice bramble]

I dread the russians that won't shut the hell up in games

And I'm not stereotyping it's literally always russians from my experience

[plain bluff]

i only play push against hordes of bots and a trillion equipment points

[teal dune]

So I got an Email about the playtest what do I do now

[plain bluff]

funny, hectic AND sweaty

[spice bramble]

Wait for an invite

[plain bluff]

if its the "welcome to playtesting" one, you sit back and weep until they send the invites that actually matter

[dry grotto]

I had a Russian squad leader experience in Squad, I have to say I defended first objective very f well

[vague barn]

I have an acquaintance I used to play Insurgency (the OG game) with and I remember playing some mode with checkpoints where you had to fight your way to them to gain equipment points. Since my acquaintance is fucking insane and has luck the likes of which has never been seen on this planet before, he had the policy of "if I can't see them it's not my problem" and would just sprint and not stop to deal with contacts and just accumulate a ridiculous amount of equipment points using just a Makarov PM and an MP40 with laser sight.

[dry grotto]

Survival mode?

[vague barn]

Might've been called that, I don't remember.

[dry grotto]

grab their M249, then you can blast the way through

[spice bramble]

Dunno why but you calling him an acquaintance is kinda funny

[plain bluff]

if the only thing i do with eg. you is play games, yes, youre an acquaintance

[vague barn]

We call each other acquaintances instead of friends to mess with one of our other acquaintances who was upset when we said "we're not friends, we're acquaintances".

[vague barn]

We've played together since 2011 and some of us have met in person.

[plain bluff]

point stands

[spice bramble]

That's on you

But naturally if you play games with someone a lot, communication goes outside just the game, no?

That's how it is for me at least

[plain bluff]

thats the tipping point, yes

[vague barn]

Oh, yeah, most of the time these days we don't play that many games together anymore and just sit in Discord chatting shit while playing our own separate games.

The amount of injokes we have is criminally high.

[plain bluff]

i see it clearly as day, i met my oldest mate in mw2 in 2009, on a map called underpass, deep in south american slums

[spice bramble]

To be fair

I haven't met anyone in game for a long time

I'm "voice chat shy"

[plain bluff]

thats always been weird to me

[spice bramble]

I didn't use to be but then I guess I got shit on somewhere along the way

[plain bluff]

how is that possible?

[spice bramble]

Dunno

One thing that I also can't explain

[dry grotto]

I got a friend in service now, so we can't finish ghost recon wildland in the next few years

[spice bramble]

My brain thinks differently in english, compared to my native language

Doesn't make fucking sense but it just does

[dry grotto]

Oh yeah me too

[plain bluff]

english started to spill into my native language and its genuinely concerning

[vague barn]

I think that's fairly normal.

[dry grotto]

I started to speak English in mind

💀

[plain bluff]

i always liked to meet strangers from different countries, so english was the most universal approach to take

people are interesting

[vague barn]

I have a few Scottish friends (separate group of lads from the acquaintances) who even write in Scottish. It's hilarious watching them write on Discord.

[teal dune]

Guys this chat is supposed to be about Labs discussions. So please keep the discussions channel appropriate, thanks!

[dry grotto]

So people do write Scots

💀

[vague barn]

No.

[dry grotto]

Anyway

[plain bluff]

we discuss bf regularly. not to mention labs is in statis until they start handing out invites

[spice bramble]

Let's discuss when the invites will be sent out!

Oh wait...

[plain bluff]

i'd be down if we could create a document or something of everything we discussed

and what we think could be a good BF and compare it to what we ||might|| test later

[dry grotto]

Title: The Perfect Battlefield

[vague barn]

That would be a lot of effort.

[teal dune]

just keep it channel appropriate, okay? Otherwise I will have to get Moderators involved.

[spice bramble]

You sound like a pain in the ass

[vague barn]

No thanks.

[dry grotto]

400 pages of text file

[plain bluff]

[spice bramble]

If you stuck around you'd know that people here discuss the shit out of features and what not

[plain bluff]

would it though?

[dry grotto]

I still think another class can be added

[plain bluff]

the bigger issue would be getting people active here to participate in VC

we can just pick a random topic and discuss it

[vague barn]

Do you mean just like a list of points or like summaries of what we discuss?

[plain bluff]

yeah? and generally what we agree could work or improve the game

[dry grotto]

So basis

Class

Gadgets

Vehicles

[tepid plinth]

Go ahead, I’ve got one, it’s always a good idea to have something at hand

[vague barn]

• Classes
• Gadgets
• Weapon category distribution
• Customization

[plain bluff]

• Movement
• Maps

[spice bramble]

• a

[dry grotto]

UI

[spice bramble]

• Invites when?

[teal dune]

Guys, youre getting off track again. This channel is supposed to be about Labs discussions...

[tepid plinth]

• recoil systems
• vehicle count and classes
• tank mechanics and balance
• plane mechanics and balance
• grenade effectiveness
• gadget design
  So many topics

[dry grotto]

I quite like the BF3 heartbeat health bar

[vague barn]

Just a points list would be pretty, if you'll excuse the pun, pointless as it doesn't really include what we've actually arrived at. I wouldn't mind having a document like that, and I would probably contribute to it, but it seems like a lot of effort and digging back into previous chats we've had.

[tepid plinth]

For all intents and purposes it’s a bf6 chat

[vague barn]

No thanks.

[dry grotto]

ONE THING FOR DICE:
DON'T MAKE THE TEXT TOO SMALL PLEASE

[tepid plinth]

Well I always go back to my document and add things based off these discussions, it’s not too bad

[teal dune]

please go to the appropriate channels like #general. Thanks!

[spice bramble]

Shut yo ass

[dry grotto]

I DON'T WANT TO SQEEZE MY EYES TO READ HOW MANY HP I GOT

[vague barn]

By the way, that acquaintance I mentioned earlier who just ran from checkpoint to checkpoint in Insurgency; he is the perfect example of aggression. That man is essentially the incarnation of a Stosstrupp soldier from World War 1.

[plain bluff]

this is the ultimate goal. to make a document and try to get it pinned. with conclusions, of course

[vague barn]

Man has a fetish for hand grenades and rapid firing semi-auto weapon systems.

[vague barn]

No thanks.

[dry grotto]

Grenade should be grenade

[teal dune]

Have you read the server rules? Language like that is HIGHLY forbidden in this Discord Server... just letting you know.

[dry grotto]

it should kill

[plain bluff]

please discuss topics related to (current battlefield) and leave people in this chat to discuss what matters, thanks!

[spice bramble]

The documents would only contain the thoughts of a VERY small proportion, though.

Seeing as over a million signed up

But I get the point

[dry grotto]

do you think impact grenade should be added?

[plain bluff]

whats stopping us from distributing and sending out a message?

[vague barn]

Exactly, it wouldn't be a representative document and as such shouldn't be pinned in here imo.

[spice bramble]

Nothing, I was just clarifying

[spice bramble]

this

[plain bluff]

discord is the only large gathering point for labs right now. it even has a discord link on the page

[spice bramble]

Dude hasn't contributed shit, ever, and keeps complaining

I bet he's the teachers pet

[vague barn]

I mean we could always refer to it when new people come around, but it shouldn't get pinned as that might make it become confused with an actual official document.

[spice bramble]

Besides, we've discussed like everything there is lol

[vague barn]

Ok. Anyways.

[spice bramble]

You're the one who cares the most??

Okie, anyways

[teal dune]

Gibson, calm down please.

[dry grotto]

So

[spice bramble]

😶

[vague barn]

My YouTube mix is a disaster zone, I swear to god, there's Beethoven mixed with Rammstein.

[dry grotto]

Have you noticed that every soldier in the trailer is wearing British uniform?

[spice bramble]

Yeah

And gear and gas mask

[vague barn]

I have, I'm desperately hoping that it's not just placeholder stuff.

[dry grotto]

Oh yeah

[tepid plinth]

although don't forget, everyone has their own little views on what they want the next game to do, while if we can all agree on something that's great, it might be worth us all collating our own thoughts too

[dry grotto]

I want those meshy things

[spice bramble]

Placeholders are already existing assets though? For which game could they have possibly developed British soldiers?

[dry grotto]

I think that's quite cool

[vague barn]

Meshy things?

[vague barn]

You never know, they might have created the assets purely for placeholder stuff, which isn't that uncommon. And since it is a teaser of pre-alpha stuff it might be that it still is just placeholder stuff.

[dry grotto]

those make your head looks like leaves stuff

[tepid plinth]

i'm fully expecting whitebox maps for playtesting

[spice bramble]

Scrims

[vague barn]

Oh, scrim netting?

[dry grotto]

yeahs

thats the word

[vague barn]

Yeah, that would be pretty gosh darned neato.

[spice bramble]

Jolly G

[dry grotto]

I hope there will be gear customization

[vague barn]

I know that British Army at least in Afghanisatan used to use scrim quite extensively on their helmets.

[vague barn]

I'm like 99.99999% certain there will be.

[dry grotto]

change your helmet, some ESS goggles

[vague barn]

NCU in M90 camo 🥺 please

[tepid plinth]

definitely will be. but to what extent, I don't really care

[dry grotto]

old DPM camo 🙂

[vague barn]

DPM looks epic and nothing anyone says can change my mind.

DDPM is fine but not as good as DPM.

[dry grotto]

a bit hurry yeah

[plain bluff]

im thinking about that "balance through movement" topic i was talking about. i wonder which starting point would make the most sense

@tepid plinth map first, or player first approach?

[dry grotto]

battle line width?

[vague barn]

Section strength dependent. But at least 5-10 meters between soldiers.

[plain bluff]

think about it like this, if it was player first, you'd have a blank map where you dial in which movement speeds feel right, as opposed to making a map first and then tweaking movement for a certain progression of battle

[dry grotto]

There's tight map like Sinai and there's wide map like many else

[plain bluff]

thinking more along the lines of "flow" rather than formation and dimensions

[dry grotto]

you mean the amount of soldiers can enter?

[tepid plinth]

most level designers would need to have a solid understanding of the movement mechanics in order to create effective spaces, so I reckon at first they'll most likely work on them interchangably. Have a map that they develop alongside movement - create a base move speed and moveset, see how people play within a test map, and change either the map to create spaces that either promote movement or restrict it, or the movement if it doesn't fit what they want to create

it's tough though cause like in a stealth game, the map is 50% of the experience, they are so intertwined

[plain bluff]

im refering to an old message string of mine. search "momentum"

[plain bluff]

this is fascinating to discuss about because restrictions only really apply to confined spaces in a sense. If destruction was taken as seriously as in The Finals, you'd have players develop their own restrictions and passages

[tepid plinth]

I just know from watching Steve Lee that while core game systems do change, level design is based so tightly on the current iteration of the game's systems that any slight change can butcher a maps feel if it's done late in production

[plain bluff]

hm. maybe instead of changing movement speed, limited sprinting should make a comeback?

[tepid plinth]

it really depends

[plain bluff]

its been a hot minute since we saw a sprint bar im bf

[dry grotto]

I think some fast moving methods are unrealistic, so I would prefer smaller infantry area but still pretty large map

[plain bluff]

BF has an "elevated" pace but doesnt strike me as a fast pace game.

[dry grotto]

that was useless

[tepid plinth]

if movement is weakened, open field traversal becomes tougher, so other measures should be put in place to make it possible. Suppression? More smokes? More aggressive vehicles? Does that then require teammates to cooperate, and what systems are then in place to push people to perform that combined push?

[dry grotto]

Smoke need to play a bigger role

[plain bluff]

in that case, transport vehicles play a bigger role, as they should

[dry grotto]

I'm always a fan of BF2 mass vehicle throughout the map

[tepid plinth]

already does, it's just nobody uses them. I've had countless games where as a medic I just throw down 5 smokes by myself and its enough to secure a push. One reason why I thought prox voice might be a good thing, tell people to use it

[plain bluff]

as for cooperation, that requires reprogramming the usual players habits

[tepid plinth]

or maybe more communication wheel options like 'smoke that direction'

[plain bluff]

bf has become a bit selfish

[dry grotto]

Since they gone fast pace, yes

[plain bluff]

its the standard case of "if it (gadget, weapon) doesnt kill people, why should i take it"

[dry grotto]

oh yeah

only few ever used ADS

[tepid plinth]

best solution I can think of would be more point scores for using said items

like smoke revives are now a thing which is excellent, but stuff like 'blocked enemy vision with smoke', idk, might at least tell people oh yeah, this is a thing I should be doing

[dry grotto]

+10 Points

Revive in smoke extra 10

[plain bluff]

its not like the game has a fast pace on its own, the game pushes people to play that way because of weapon and gadget selection and questionable mechanics

[dry grotto]

flash

hardly anyone used it

[plain bluff]

flash was useless even if it hit right

[dry grotto]

because it has a better alternative called "grenade"

[lilac rose]

I definitely miss team communication functions, like request ammo, showing up in chat... Sure, your character might yell it, and maybe you get an icon over your head, maybe, but I miss having that stuff show up in the chat window. If I saw that show up in the window, I would actively seek out the person making the request. In 2042, I'm usually unaware of requests like that.

[dry grotto]

it would be funny if they add camera sway when get flashed

[lilac rose]

(unless I happen to be very close by)

[dry grotto]

then i might say it would be kinda useful

heavy camera sway, can't sprint, can't change profile

[tepid plinth]

that I would dislike very much honestly. Flashes for me are perfect when you just have to look away, but being hit by one blinds you for a while

[plain bluff]

flash grenades should just kick you from the session tbqhf

[dry grotto]

standing close and looking at it scenario

[lilac rose]

Yeah, I can't see why a flash would disorient you that much. There should be nothing preventing you from dropping to the ground, or using your memory to blindly move to cover.

...and locking out sprint would massively interfere with that blind movement.

Now if you wanted to take a COD approach and arbitrarily label one grenade type stun, and another flash, and stun impedes movement with minimal visual impairment... That's an option. I would laugh at it, because it makes no sense (gotta have my immersion), but...I could see that being a balancing option.

[plain bluff]

except that IRL flashbangs dont really blind you. they "disorient" you. deafen and stun

[dry grotto]

Flash irl is basically stun

[plain bluff]

essentially it is. and nowhere near as effective as games make them out to be

[tepid plinth]

the stun grenade is the worst thing known to man

[dry grotto]

lol

[plain bluff]

i take stuns 100% of the time

[lilac rose]

Oh, I agree.

[plain bluff]

because thats what rowdy little runts hate the most

[tepid plinth]

I remember playing the mw2 beta and discovering how downright stupid it is

[plain bluff]

i am not sorry

[lilac rose]

Give everyone a flashbulb, mounted on their vest, and then cry.

[dry grotto]

combine effort of stun and grenade could be interesting

[tepid plinth]

a grenade that halts movement, aim and slightly visibility, with no counter. amazing

[plain bluff]

the olden days of flashlight and 12g frag USAS

[fleet robin]

possibly the worst addition to the game

nothing more frustrating

except warzone

[tepid plinth]

that gadget and it's philosophy is the reason I don't play cod

[lilac rose]

lol.... Alas, I wasn't playing Battlefield when the USAS frag was the thing... I think I got BF3 right after that got Nerfed.

[tepid plinth]

not just that gadget but how the game's other bits and pieces share a similar approach of just killing, stunning or disabling you with no counter besides some perk that magaically makes people think it's balanced

[lilac rose]

I'm so glad that COD has consistently shortened the duration of stun's effect.

[tepid plinth]

i'm so glad I don't play it

[dry grotto]

M84, the worst thing known to man

[lilac rose]

Fair. lol

[tepid plinth]

right then, back to some unity development. been fun

in short - add prox chat, don't do what cod does

[dry grotto]

is COD even prox chat?

[tepid plinth]

no clue

[dry grotto]

hmm

how about underbarrel HEDP grenade

only work against light vehicles and IFVs

[sacred vault]

12.7mm HEIAP

would be interesting to see how effective that is with a new levelution/destruction system

[lilac rose]

As I recall, it has team or party chat, your choice, plus prox chat with enemies, immediately after you kill them.

[sacred vault]

chat system should just be how it was since bf1942

or for simplicity, bf2/3/4

[dry grotto]

basically sq chat

[fleet robin]

proxy chat could be cool but it would get abused like every other game

[lilac rose]

I welcome squad chat, but it sure would be nice to communicate with random teammates.

Without having to open up text.

[sacred vault]

squad channel, global, team

[lilac rose]

Maybe, maybe an optional hybrid chat channel that's squad chat plus team-specific prox chat.

[sacred vault]

in what way?

it sounds convuluted

and redundant

to combine both

unless you mean some system where only squad leaders can communicate to each squad leader

[dry grotto]

Commander or Devolution

[lilac rose]

So, you can talk to your squad seamlessly, but when you're near teammates, you can talk to them too, without having to dive into a menu first. The tricky thing is, would everyone have to opt into that?

Would people only hear you, for instance, if they were also in that hybrid mode? That would make sense, but if it's opt-in, that kind of makes it moot, because most people won't bother touching their settings (except to opt out)

[sacred vault]

if its for voice i barely hear it used on pc

its usually all text chat

[fleet robin]

voip should always be opt out imo

otherwise there isn't any communication at all

[lilac rose]

Oh, I agree. I also know people will complain like mad about noise and excess chatter.

[sacred vault]

its what the Q menu is for

or the old F1-F8 keys

[lilac rose]

I wish Q was supported for console users with keyboards. I have a controller, and a keyboard plugged in, but the keyboard is strictly text input, no game controls.

[sacred vault]

now that sucks lol

[lilac rose]

On console, to open text chat, you have to pause, then hit left(?) trigger.

I've gotten quite quick at it, but it still sucks.

[plain bluff]

do console players play on keyboards nowadays?

[lilac rose]

I mostly only do text chat when I'm waiting to respawn, as a result, but for the average user, it's a slow enough process that they get upset when they see people using text chat, because they assume it's interfering with gameplay.

Quite a few do, for games that support it, and support is expanding.

[plain bluff]

awesome sauce

[lilac rose]

I don't use a mouse yet (no space), but I play Xbox at my computer desk, and...the desk almost looks like an organ, with two keyboards stacked on top of each other.

[dry grotto]

If console have keyboards

I will buy PS5 instantly

[lilac rose]

Don't know what level of support exists on PS5.

I would definitely like to see some basic keyboard shortcut support, like Q for text chat, even when actual gameplay is set to use a controller. I shouldn't have to shift over entirely to a KBM setup, just to be able to seamlessly open text chat.

[mossy marten]

MnK support is available on consoles natively. Whether a game has it though is up to the developers

[lilac rose]

I mean, on PC, if you use a controller, keyboard shortcuts like Q still work, right?

[fleet robin]

depends on the game

[mossy marten]

But either way. Even if you use MnK on console, there's bad latency

[lilac rose]

For Battlefield, specifically. Let's say 2042.

[fleet robin]

some of them are annoying to swap between controller and keyboard, some allow both inputs at once

[mossy marten]

Nope

[lilac rose]

Really? Using controller on PC locks out keyboard controls?

[mossy marten]

Oh PC, thought you said keyboard on console
2042 you can freely swap midgame

[lilac rose]

Without changing settings, both are active at the same time? Sounds nice.

[mossy marten]

It's not like CoD where you have to select the option before a game starts

[lilac rose]

Or is it still a menu option you have to toggle?

[feral garden]

Controller on PC has a tonne of issue in 2042. If you have a pad connected and play with mouse and KB...your aim can randomly start to snap to the ground.

[lilac rose]

In Elite Dangerous (space sim) on PC, I was that crazy guy who'd hold a controller over his keyboard, for dual analog control, while poking at the keyboard with my pinkies. lol

[mossy marten]

Can free swap midgame without going to settings

Use a controller, put it down, then use MnK with no downtime

[lilac rose]

Hm, that's strange...

[lilac rose]

Ohhh, nice, indeed! Thanks for explaining. 🙂

[plain bluff]

quite a few games throw a fit if a secondary controller is active

[fleet robin]

any other type of input besides kb and mouse has issues tbh

i have pedals connected and if i so much as touch them my aim is permanently fucked until i restart the game

[feral garden]

Certain flight sticks cause the game to crash as soon as you try to map it

[mossy marten]

Even MnK has issues on 2042
What with the awful muddy input and all

[lilac rose]

Actually, that view snapping to the ground issue sounds...familiar. I think it might have shown up on console early on.

[mossy marten]

That weird view snapping can also be caused by Logitech's awful mouse software, Ghub

[lilac rose]

Of course it can.

[feral garden]

Its probably a bunch of different things combining to cause the issue. I play through steam so its probably something with steam input, becoming tangled up with the games controller support.

Id personally prefer you to select your input device, and for them to have control based MM/servers you can set as controller only

No option to switch input while in game

[lilac rose]

That used to be a somewhat common option, but it's been losing popularity, as it gets in the way of cross-platform play.

...but that gets back to what I was saying... If someone is playing strictly with a controller, I'd like to see the option for basic, non-combat, non-movement functions still working on a keyboard. Say, Q to open text chat, instead of the clunky menu dive that it currently is on console.

Technically, you could argue that still gives an unfair advantage (enhanced/more efficient communication) to people who have both a keyboard and controller, but...honestly, the current setup is painful.

[nimble bridge]

You can adjust your UI since BF4, UI is one of the best aspects of BF games, almost fully customizable

[nimble bridge]

I think KBM should be supported on consoles

Since next game will have crossplay

[lilac rose]

Oh, I agree. It should, and it probably will. That's definitely been the trend.

One of the things that does get tricky is when people use keyboards with built-in macros. Those are...a problem.

That's the sort of thing that really gets the console users upseta bout having to play against PC players, or console players who are using keyboards.

[nimble bridge]

Controller players can use cronos too tbh, let's just hope EA anticheat is good and game won't die unlike Apex or Warzone due to cheaters

[lilac rose]

Cronos usage, thankfully, has been steadily dropping. Xbox massively locked down peripheral support on Xbox a year or two ago, and Cronos largely went bye-bye with that.

How some people still use it, I'm not sure.

[safe moat]

Honestly this is the biggest thing I am afraid of for the new BF, I actually care more about the anticheat because if Anticheat is bad but game is good, its gonna die no matter what

[plain bluff]

i love my rapid fire macro for semi autos

makes me giggle every time

especially with high rof cap pistols

[lilac rose]

The only macro I've ever used, was rapid-fire for secondary fire, playing Starlancer (old space combat sim, precursor to Freelancer). Screamers. Dumbfire missiles. i'd just put Screamer pods on every hardpoint, and everything would die. XD

[tough zinc]

yo dice hurry up with the labs start I cant wait

[twilit creek]

If you get an invite that is

[tough zinc]

yeah but even if I dont get invited I want to see discussions here

[twilit creek]

Wont be a discussion as its all NDA

[tough zinc]

they said people will be able to see some updates on discord channels as they progress testing

[plain bluff]

makes you wonder why this channel exists

[tough zinc]

its somewhere in the labs FAQ

[twilit creek]

This would be great, would love to see the changes they are gonna make... if they are gonna listen

[plain bluff]

jokes aside, even if i dont get in, i just wanna know when the go time is

[tough zinc]

they will update people periodically so even if you dont get invited you can still be part of the testing program somehow

[tough zinc]

I mean, the reason they created LABS is for feedback so it would suprise me if they dont agree with community's requests

[long trail]

so well not see any vid from the test in yt?

[tough zinc]

I just want the sessions to start come onnnnn

[tough zinc]

I mean there will be thousands of people playing, I think we will see some leaks for sure

[long trail]

yh

like as 2042 some ppl leak it when they play it in alpha

[tough zinc]

they will probably release official videos too about testing progress eventually

I hope at least

[long trail]

but is a test at all so why they dont let ppls share it with all

its *

[fleet robin]

specifically because it's a test

it's unfinished and we all know very well people will take things out of context or use experimental features against dice, even if they're not going to be in the final product

[twilit creek]

I kinda hope negative stuff leaks... (imagine no scoreboard)

[tough zinc]

imagine being that dumb

[twilit creek]

So they get a kick under their ass to fix it

[fleet robin]

they've probably already factored in that some things will inevitably get leaked, but figured that having these playtests is worth the risk

[tough zinc]

i dont think it will happen

there are some people working on this project who give me hope

[vague barn]

I'll gatecrash this conversation to say that; yes, using experimental pre-alpha gameplay to judge the unreleased full game is exceptionally stupid, but we all know it would and will happen among some of the audience.

[versed token]

I wouldn't expect there to be a scoreboard in early testing

[tough zinc]

please just add server browser at launch, its much needed

[twilit creek]

I really hope on a server browser. That stuff is amazing for communities

Platoons would also be amazing