battlefield-labs-discussion

[vague barn]

That mock village?

[wispy dagger]

Where you defend the burger town

[fleet robin]

RAMIREZ

[vague barn]

Idk that much about CoD maps, I just know one of them had a mock village based on the ones they used to test the effects of nuclear detonations on relatively normal American structures.

[fleet robin]

nuke town

[heady trail]

hope this game innovates

[wispy dagger]

Yeah this was a campaign mission

[vague barn]

Idk what it's called, I just know it exists.

[fleet robin]

that is the last thing we need from this game

"""innovation""" is what got us here

[heady trail]

huh?

[wispy dagger]

Same I’ve mentioned my hope for conquest innovation here didn’t seem to get much interest

[heady trail]

i mean actual innovation not freakign specialists

[fleet robin]

dice just needs to do what they know works, what they know people want

experimenting with the game that's supposed to regain the community's trust isn't the best idea

[wispy dagger]

To an extent

[fleet robin]

i'd rather they just keep it simple

[heady trail]

what do you think the CTE is for lol?

[wispy dagger]

I don’t want just a reskin either

[heady trail]

same

[wispy dagger]

Fortifications was innovating without detracting from the overall battlefield feel

[heady trail]

like if i want bf4, i'll just go pla bf4

[fleet robin]

there won't be any foundational changes

too late for that

they already said it'll be maps and modes, primarily

[heady trail]

expand fortifications to base building, like in arma reforger

[wispy dagger]

Idk about that far

That moves more into the mil sim genre

But being able to reinforce points was nice

Sub objectives is what I’d love to see

[tepid plinth]

my only fear would be that dynamic building placement would mess up a lot of the intended map design and lead to some more frustrating moments if a place thats meant to be open ground becomes a fortress

but it's a multi layered thing

[wispy dagger]

I liked being able to destroy the bridges

But then being able to rebuild them was crucial

[tepid plinth]

THEY ARE BUILDING A BRIDGE

[wispy dagger]

Remember paracel storm, losing the bridges was a detriment to vehicle movement

[vague barn]

What would people's opinions be of subterranean maps? I know the US Army and UK Royal Marines have been training subterranean warfare in Ft. Bragg and Gibraltar respectively.

Mind you I am not necessarily talking cramped channeling maps, but also including stuff like larger underground bunkers commonly found around Sweden for instance. Stuff like large underground aircraft hangars and command centres.

[tepid plinth]

so metro, redacted style?

[wispy dagger]

I can guarantee we’ll see a metro style map

Battlefield fans love their meat grinder maps

[vague barn]

It'd be a little bit of a blend between Metro, Redacted, and Locker.

Or well, what I am imagining at least.

[blazing sparrow]

Did you fix the Battlefield Labs Sign-Up page? I kept getting the same error code.

[tepid plinth]

well, I'm not a fan of meatgrinder maps, but if it has paths that have it feeling like theres a little more flow I don't mind what maps we get if they are underground

[vague barn]

It's difficult to describe in words what I am picturing.

[signal vigil]

Meat grinder maps are good for Rush I think, I looovved me some metro Rush hardcore

[vague barn]

I think they could get a fair bit of inspiration by going to Aeroseum in Gothenburg in Sweden. It's one of extremely few underground airbases that were not filled with concrete during the strategic time out that Sweden so delusionally introduced when the Berlin Wall fell.

I know they have a naval base just south of Stockholm, Musköbasen, that would be epic to see in-game but since parts of that installation are still hush-hush secret classified I doubt they would be allowed to even take pictures or use it as inspiration.

[wispy dagger]

I’m with you. I get burnt out with tunnel maps quickly.

[vague barn]

Think of it a bit more like a city map, but underground, basically.

[tepid plinth]

man I really need to get that bf1 dlc, can't play half the lobbies I load into

anyways, playing this has me honestly hoping for weapon restrictions again

Its a different change of pace in 2042, but I just miss them

[vague barn]

I'm not sure how I feel about weapon restrictions. On the one hand, I want them, to encourage more variety in classes. On the other hand, since I want to have a lot of flexibility in customization (including barrel lengths and such), I feel like there would be a lot of overlap and therefore would rather not have them. Simultaneously, I don't want assault players to have access to sniper rifles or light machine guns.

[tepid plinth]

I just feel like it creates a far more interesting team dynamic with classes distributed fairly consistently on the frontline when they exist

[vague barn]

Rather torn about it. I guess you could limit more distinctive categories to specific classes. E.g. shotguns, machine guns, and sniper rifles.

[tepid plinth]

also makes each one actually play differently, which I appreciate

but both sides have their positives where I can argue for and against both approaches

[vague barn]

Yeah.

[wispy dagger]

I for one want class specific weapons with shared groups. Like dmrs and shotguns accessible to all classes

Like BF4

[vague barn]

Yeah, ideally, in my land of hopes and dreams, there would be more weapon categories, of which one would be unique to each class.

|---------------|----------|--------------|---------------|
| Assault       | Engineer | Support      | Recon         |
|---------------|----------|--------------|---------------|
| Battle Rifles | PDWs     | Machine Guns | Sniper Rifles |
| Carbines      | Carbines | Carbines     | Carbines      |
| Shotguns      | Shotguns | Shotguns     | Shotguns      |
| DMRs          | DMRs     | DMRs         | DMRs          |
|---------------|----------|--------------|---------------| ```

[azure musk]

Yall keep talking about classes but forgot a mode that was really epic the commander mode I would really like to see it come again to the new battlefield specially being able to play it on mobile phones just amazing

[wispy dagger]

It was cool yeah

But if your team didn’t have one you were screwed

[vague barn]

Battle rifles being essentially assault rifles but in full power rifle cartridges (e.g. SCAR-H, G3, SAKO M23)
PDWs being a mix of sub-machine guns and compact weapon systems (e.g. P90, AS Val)
Machine guns including light and medium machine guns implemented similar to BFV (e.g. Minimi, Maximi)
Sniper rifles being exclusively bolt-action rifles (e.g. M2010, T-5000)
Carbines being a blend of the assault rifle and carbine categories but only intermediate cartridges (e.g. Mk 18 Mod 1, AK-74M).
Shotguns being, well, shotguns (e.g. M1014, Remington 870 MCS).
DMRs being any accurized and semi-automatic rifle (e.g. SR-25, G28, Mk 12 SPR).

[wispy dagger]

If commander returns I’d rather see if come back as an in game role

Spec ops squad running behind enemy lines to take him out 🙂

[azure musk]

I would really be the first to agree on returning it

[vague barn]

Hell yeah, that'd be my primary in-game occupation.

[azure musk]

Definitely

[tepid plinth]

even I think this too much

[vague barn]

Wdym

[tepid plinth]

it basically makes any class viable at every range, i kinda like the even tighter restrictions

[vague barn]

Would you change anything if you had the opportunity to?

[tepid plinth]

essentially i'd want the assaults to be mid to close, support mid to long, recons long with weak close quarters potential and engies sort of mid range but weaker also

[azure musk]

As well as I would appreciate if they gave us the ability to fully control a Lockheed ac-130 airplane like the f35 and those planes it would be a bizarre to use a mini sub machine gun as well as launchers through this plane what do you think guys?

[tepid plinth]

cause playing bf1 now, all the classes actually feel the same, and even bf4's weapon distribution felt like most could play roughly the same because you have something for all ranges

sure some weapon types push a certain range, but I just like how it's handled here

[azure musk]

If yall remember we used to have the ability to deploy one as commanders in bf4 but what if we can deploy it a a squad full squad inside the ac-130 coordinate with each other and control it fully

It would be really perfect

It would be really a tough game lol a lot of destruction will happen

[vague barn]

You definitely have a point in what you're saying, the universal categories imo gave a little too much freedom but a lot of people seem attached to having the 4 categories which is kinda why I adapted my "table" to have the 4 categories. I kinda wish I could push the PDWs to the Assault class instead and give shotguns exclusively to the Engineer to remove a category, but knowing how much people like the shotguns, locking it to a single class would probably be rather controversial.

|----------|----------|--------------|---------------|
| Assault  | Engineer | Support      | Recon         |
|----------|----------|--------------|---------------|
| PDWs     | Shotguns | Machine Guns | Sniper Rifles |
| Carbines | Carbines | Carbines     | Carbines      |
| DMRs     | DMRs     | DMRs         | DMRs          |
|----------|----------|--------------|---------------| ```

But then again, you kinda end up with the same issue here.

[serene prism]

I would like to see the commander mode back just title it as a new mod for conquest called “Command & Conquer”

[vague barn]

Idk man, I don't envy whoever has to figure this out for this game. Then again I am probably overthinking this entire thing.

[azure musk]

Yeah it might work this way

But the plane I talked about should be on every conquest mode

lol

[azure musk]

You are talking about the weapons and classes?

[vague barn]

Yes.

More precisely weapon categories and their accessibility in the different classes.

[azure musk]

I think they just should be as classic as it was ever been

They don’t need any kind of trying to be wow on the eyes of players rather than make them reasonable and what are you using a type of weapon for in what class

This is the easiest way to not overthink about it

Clear desires and simple explanations

🤷‍♂️

What do you think

[vague barn]

Yeah, idk man, at the end of the day it ain't my task to design that. I'll be interested in seeing what ends up happening though.

[azure musk]

But you have the right to talk about what you want to see on the game or else why would they even make a beta or generally a test game for us to go through

Isn’t it to be able to gain a feedback from us

[vague barn]

Yeah I know. I like theorizing and speculating.

[azure musk]

And make the game meet our expectations

[vague barn]

Either way, it's almost 01:40 now and I still have not slept. So I shall address that issue now.

Good night.

[azure musk]

Take care have a great sleep

lol

[tepid plinth]

i've been thinking over it a lot, it's a tough situation

[azure musk]

Just don’t worry everything will be good we will all give the same feedback for the weapons and classes because we all have the same thoughts so realistically they have to do it the way we want it to be

So yeah

[tepid plinth]

you say that as if we haven't just been discussing two very different views on weapon loadouts, meaning we don't all have the same thoughts

[slate steppe]

Typifying a subclass is already hard with just how much there is to move into a battlefield game. Sure an assault can be a “medic” but how far until you make a kill streak hunter rather than a support, or a moving tank rather than a mainline MG mover, or anti-vehicle main into the anti-fun police

There’s so much in so little playable space that it can sometimes be cramped in creation. Although not “Battlefield,” Battlefront 2 has its fair share of “hero” characters having Knockback/CC’s out the wazoo, making every lightsaber hero about the same as the last.

There’s a bunch that’s considered in what could be about a years time, it’s bound to be a permanent headache

[azure musk]

Not the same thoughts rather than the same desires we all want the game to be great like it was before

[slate wolf]

I agree

[heady thorn]

[cursive ridge]

👋

[midnight trench]

awo my frens

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

hello

[limpid vortex]

[scenic igloo]

sound:0:4

[heady trail]

give me bf5 spotting, idk why people want to see a dorito on top of people's heads lol

if the visibility is bad, then sure bring back spotting

[humble summit]

No

Just keep previous bfs spotting

Not bfvs

[wispy dagger]

I liked BFVs

Could flank

4 was too strong

Just general direction and Q and half the map lights up

[humble summit]

Nvm you brought in some good points

[drowsy finch]

No doritos, no mini map spotting for shooting

Please.

[twin cloud]

I hope helicopters and airplanes have runways in the next game

[long trail]

What u mean ?

[pallid coral]

i hope u dont just spawn in them

and you like run to it, they have their dedicated spot and then u turn them on and then do theflying thing

like if its a jet then you literally fly from a runway

rather than just... being in the air 💀

[tepid kernel]

anyone knows how to fix Invisible mouse bug in bf3?

is insane, i cant use the mouse

[versed token]

It's a feature

[nimble bridge]

Carbines shouldn't exist. They are literally ARs for every class. Or copy BF3 system instead of 4(carbines were for engineer, SMGs were universal). But I would be fine with class locked 2042 system too.

[vague barn]

Imo non-suppressed gunfire should spot you on the map. Though no 3D spotting. That shit has earned me so many kills it shouldn't have.

[vague barn]

Well, and I realise this isn't real life, but carbines are pretty much used universally irl, so that's why it made sense to me.

[nimble bridge]

Every class having carbines makes every class assault

[vague barn]

Eh, I mean kinda but they would lack the UGL/USG capability which admittedly is rarely used as underslung devices.

[nimble bridge]

Perfect system is in 2042 imo:
Assault

• ARs
  Engineer
• LMGs
  Support
• SMGs
  Recon
• Snipers

DMRs and tactical(shotguns crossbows etc.) are shared. One fatal flaw of 2042 is SMG medics, I would change primaries of engineers and supports.

[vague barn]

Agreed on that last point; engineers should have personal defence weapons while support has machine guns.

[plain bluff]

except that carbines are essentially its own weapon class that fills a void between ARs and SMGs

the best way to differentiate between the two is the range at which the damage starts dropping

smgs should get a higher close range damage, ARs should get low damage dropoff, while carbines should be ARs that have AR damage with a damage dropoff start at almost 33% shorter range

[vague barn]

What about having shared but non-universal categories? So as was discussed before, you'd have the mid-long bracket (e.g. support with machine guns/recon with sniper rifles and shared between them; DMRs), and then the close-mid bracket (assault with PDWs, engineer with shotguns and shared between them; assault rifles/carbines).

[plain bluff]

i think we should start by debating which classes get access to which weapons

shotguns can be used by engineers and assault

[feral garden]

The weapons should match the expected role and performance of the class.

[plain bluff]

dmrs can be used by supports and recon

pdws by engineers and recon

[vague barn]

Yeah.

[plain bluff]

and carbines... by whom?

[nimble bridge]

Remove carbines

Or don't, but make it exclusive to engineer

Like BF3

[plain bluff]

your provocations are getting stale, get a new script

[vague barn]

I think the problem with this would be recon, because a lot of people play it offensively (like me) and some play it very passively (snipers).

[nimble bridge]

They removed them since BF1, I don't think it's coming back anyways

Recon always had offensive options

[feral garden]

Id give recon carbines, but leave Engineers with SMGs/PDWs, ETC. If you give Engineers carbines that are close to the effectiveness of ARs, then youll just have another 2042, where players will run around like assaults with rocket launchers/explosives.

[nimble bridge]

BFV recon had pistol carbines which were basically semi auto SMGs

Fun weapon class

[plain bluff]

carbines in BF1 are either shortened full rifles or pistol caliber carbines. they have the name class name but their use cases are different

[vague barn]

Pistol caliber carbines (PCCs) would be cool to see.

[plain bluff]

also bringing bf1 into the discussion is stupid

[vague barn]

Yeah, bringing a WW1 game into a discussion of a modern era game is kinda weird.

[nimble bridge]

2042 doesn't have carbines either

Only ARs and SMGs

[feral garden]

Im sure they will playtests all things like this tho

[plain bluff]

what is the role you expect to give engineers anyway? on a map without much vehicles, the engineer becomes the dedicated demolition class

[feral garden]

2042 has carbines, they are just lumped into other categories...cos they had limited categories

[feral garden]

Vehicle defense and support. If they bring back area reinforcement, engineers should build them faster/repair them faster.

[nimble bridge]

I still don't like the idea of every class having access to what is essentially ARs

[feral garden]

I do. Cos it will make the game play like 2042

[plain bluff]

im trying to propose to you how that can be avoided

[feral garden]

AR will be the default used thing by everyone

[nimble bridge]

2042 would've been better with class locked weapons

[plain bluff]

you have 4 contested weapon classes

• shotguns
• pdws
• carbines
• dmrs

besides class specific weapons, each class should get access to two of those categories

[nimble bridge]

PDWs should be universal, Carbines should be engineer only, shotguns and DMRs can be universal too, or give shotguns to engineer and assault, give DMRs to support and recon

[vague barn]

Idk I feel like that relegates recon to a pretty campy role. Only giving them long range weapon systems.

Or at least encourages it.

[nimble bridge]

They will still have SMGs

[vague barn]

Ah, I missed the "universal" part of PDWs. Apologies.

[spice bramble]

If recon could somehow fulfill the role of SF from BF2, it would be great

But nobody plays recon to sabotage or spot

[plain bluff]

The question in that case should be which class should have access to C4

because the subclasses of bf5 solved this issue

Recon could be SF handily

[spice bramble]

I don't know about BF V subclasses

I have to look it up

[vague barn]

So kinda: ```
|----------------|----------|--------------|---------------|

Assault	Engineer	Support	Recon
Assault Rifles	Carbines	Machine Guns	Sniper Rifles
PDWs	PDWs	DMRs	DMRs
Shotguns	Shotguns	PDWs	PDWs
----------------	----------	--------------	---------------
Edit: fixed to align with post.

[nimble bridge]

Looks fine

[plain bluff]

i concur with that setup

[rustic coyote]

Question to my fellow BF mates: How many of the BF games have you played? I just checked the wiki, and I myself played literally every single entry. Even as PC gamer, I managed to play the console only entries as well. And of course, all the DLC. Every single one. Can I be considered to be a veteran?

[spice bramble]

meow

[versed token]

You can be considered a nerd

[plain bluff]

that post sounds like karma farming but on discord

[spice bramble]

it does

[vague barn]

Then now comes the big question; what qualifies as a PDW?

[plain bluff]

ive played every game besides BC1, Heroes and P4F

[plain bluff]

PCCs, essentially.

p90, mp7, pp2000, vityaz, mp5

[versed token]

M82A1

[vague barn]

Aren't those all closer to submachine guns than PCCs though? I know the difference is kinda blurry between the two though.

[plain bluff]

that'd probably be a newer edition m107

[vague barn]

No, thanks.

[plain bluff]

as long as you are picking up what im putting down, then there is no issue

[vague barn]

Yeah, I get what you mean, fair.

[spice bramble]

There are so many variables for the next game

It makes it that more exciting xd

[vague barn]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what end up being the case.

[safe moat]

Whoever told me to go to CadWoman’s TDM servers for weapon attachments, thanks

[plain bluff]

series doesnt lack talent, it lacks direction

[spice bramble]

Or the direction is skewed by the higher ups

[plain bluff]

and a robust, coherent vision

[spice bramble]

No sane developers think that BF2042 was the right idea

[plain bluff]

oh, and a leadership with some spine

[spice bramble]

I'm so thankful Ubisoft doesnt publish any games that I like

There's a failure after failure with their games

[plain bluff]

wildlands was the last good ubisoft game i played

[vague barn]

They unfortunately publish the Ghost Recon series which I really like some aspects of.

[livid pendant]

For Honor was good too

[spice bramble]

I played Breakpoint for like 100 hours

I just liked larping or what you call it

[plain bluff]

havent played it, but my judgement says it a splendid game

larping is a core factor of military games, its literally what drives the market

you have a guy here with 10k arma hours

[vague barn]

The only memory I have of Wildlands is me being invincible due to enemies not rendering in while my friends were getting decimated.

[spice bramble]

But I was super into the cusomization

If the customization aspect wasn't there it wouldn't be that exciting

[vague barn]

That was interesting.

[vague barn]

The customization in Breakpoint was really cool, I liked that a lot. The rest of the game was pretty meh, but the customization categories were excellent, not so much the selection of attachments in the categories though.

[vague barn]

You know it, bby

[spice bramble]

I started modding the shit out of the game

Led to more problems than satisfactions, modding was complicated

[safe moat]

Ubi doesnt realize how lucky they were with Siege

[spice bramble]

Yeap

No Siege, no Ubi

[vague barn]

I only ever tried modding the 1st person camera thing, that was a nightmare so I just stopped.

[safe moat]

Unironically yea

[plain bluff]

Invites need to start coming out so this anxiety i feel can stop

[safe moat]

As a Siege player since release, if that game didnt stick Ubi we know as wouldn’t exist

[spice bramble]

I installeld different types of vest setups, enhanced weapon sounds, different NPC outfits, etc. etc.

But if you did ONE thing wrong in the installation, you'd have to redo it all over again

[nimble bridge]

PDWs were basically SMGs in both 3 and 4

[vague barn]

There were some exceptions to that though, AS Val being a notable exception.

[spice bramble]

That's just the game aspect of things

[vague barn]

Groza-4 as well.

[spice bramble]

Can't go 100% accurate on everything

[vague barn]

Yeah.

It says a lot about my playstyle that after 100 hours in BF4 on my new account, I have only 7 kills total with vehicles.

And those 7 kills are with the ATGM launchers.

[spice bramble]

Vehicles felt pretty "bland" for me in Battlefield 4

[plain bluff]

im an unrepentant vehicle wh*re and not afraid to admit it

[spice bramble]

In BF3 you at least felt like you were in a heavy machine, BF4 watered that down

[plain bluff]

if bf6 is good my buddy and i are taking vehicles and sailing to final rank

then take our leisure unlocking class stuff

[spice bramble]

Hopefully the vehicle HUD is nothing like 2042's

[vague barn]

I am an unrepentant recce and flank wh*re and not afraid to admit it.

[spice bramble]

I am Gibson and I'm not afraid to admit it.

[plain bluff]

youre a larper, not recce

[vague barn]

And as my name suggests, I really like suppressors when sneaking around flanks.

[spice bramble]

Suppressors need a buff in the next game

[vague barn]

Kinda. I am a recce larper.

[plain bluff]

tbh im a larper that refuses to use nato guns when playing other factions and vice versa. its a cool restriction that shakes up your weapon choice

[vague barn]

DUDE SAME

[plain bluff]

AESTHETICS UBER ALLES

[vague barn]

Although I have started to sin and break that rule in recent times. :(

[vague barn]

IN DER WEEEEEEEEELT

[plain bluff]

weapons that belong to neither faction and are usually from neutral countries i use universally

but stuff like the sig 550 series is a bit too intervowen with nato standards to simply use for russians/chinese

useless mind excercises like that

that reminds me, battlefield needs more sigger weapons

[vague barn]

Yeah, if a weapon isn't immediately recognizable I tend to use it universally.

[vague barn]

The SIG Spear is finally being issued in the US Army as the XM7 so I am sure we'll see a return of that one. Same goes for SIG P320s. SIG MCXs have become increasingly common in UKSF from what I gather so might see those too. I do hope we get a SIG MPX PCC as well.

[nimble bridge]

We need Sig Spear for ARs, Shorty Spear for Carbines

[plain bluff]

the scar-h in bf3 spoiled me as engineer

if i could hug that weapon as i sleep i would

[vague barn]

Would be pretty gosh darn neato.

[plain bluff]

spear lt crashes into the room
"someone said shorty spear?"

[safe moat]

We need an M4, AR416 and MK18 in the next game. I love those models of guns

[vague barn]

Ngl I prefer SCAR-L aesthetically.

[plain bluff]

unfortunately the mk18 and m4 will be the same gun

skins could differentiate the two

[plain bluff]

scar-l in bf2 was my favourite

[safe moat]

Yea, I know

Unless they make M4 as the M16 and MK18 as itself

[vague barn]

M4 and HK416 are pretty much guaranteed. The MK18 is based on the M4A1 CQBR so I think that'll be a skin or kitbash possibility.

[safe moat]

Oh and we also need weapon inspects. I know it sounds lame but it would be good

[plain bluff]

scars, sig 550, m4 and 762 AKs are my basic bitch choices

[safe moat]

And an AS Val, but not a variant of the VSS

An actual AS Val

[nimble bridge]

I liked SCAR in 2042

[safe moat]

Its good

[nimble bridge]

Easily best AR

[safe moat]

I was kinda complaining yesterday hut playing with it more I like it

[safe moat]

Nah, best AR IMO is either M5 or ACW-R

[nimble bridge]

It has a bit of recoil but once you master it then you will pop off people from 100 meters

[vague barn]

Tbh I don't want an M4 in the game, I want and expect an M4A1 this time

As for 762 AKs, please not an AKM 😭 Give us AK-103/104 instead.

[nimble bridge]

We will most likely get AK12

[safe moat]

Agreed

AK-103/104 should be in not AKM

[rare bane]

Ola squad, Anyone make it into the closed test?

[safe moat]

And definetly not AK-47

[safe moat]

Nope, no emails yet

[vague barn]

Yeah, I don't like how the AK-12 looks though. It just looks ugly to me.

[nimble bridge]

It's modular unlike other AKs

[vague barn]

Zenitco.

[rare bane]

Was supposed to start yesterday

They're grabbing a lot of info from us😅 hope it's not just a data grab strategy

[safe moat]

No idea honestly. And even if you get the email you probably can’t speak about it

[rare bane]

Yh probably not

[feral garden]

No one has any legitimate info on when the tests start TBH.

[spice bramble]

We need USAS with frag rounds most of all

[vague barn]

No thanks.

[safe moat]

Those emails are mostly confidential so if someone gets it they can’t speak about it(unless they want to specifically want to get blacklisted)

[spice bramble]

Pff, no taste

[safe moat]

Not the tests, the emails for invitations

[spice bramble]

RPK-16 looks interesting

I'm just scrolling a weapon wikipedia so I dunno shit about these guns

[safe moat]

Honestly, would I be crucified if I said I kinda want a COD like weapon attachment system but better suited and made for Battlefield?

I want to make abominations and defeat people with those guns

[nimble bridge]

BF needs to be BF, keep CoD shit away from BF.

[vague barn]

Not by me at least, I want an extensive but grounded customization capability akin to Medal of Honor: Warfighter and/or Ghost Recon: Breakpoint. I don't want cursed shit at all though. Although first and foremost I want BF to feel like a BF game and not a Call of Duty clone.

[feral garden]

Gun building is a totally separate thing to gameplay. Its my opinion that any game with a weapon editor can be used as reference for improving Battlefield.

[safe moat]

I know, that’s why I said “made better and suited for BF” not a 1:1 copy but a system that is converted and modified to fit what makes Battlefield, Battlefield

[vague barn]

I said this a thousand times last night, so sorry to those hearing it again, but weapon customization in terms of aesthetic changes should have a separate progression chain from functional attachments.

[safe moat]

I agree with this

[nimble bridge]

I would be okay with it if it's like BFV

[vague barn]

And once again I am agreeing with what BSoD put forth also last night; have a tier based point system that allows you to "purchase" those attachments you want in the order you want.

[plain bluff]

@vague barn yes

[vague barn]

I honestly can't remember how it worked in BFV, I'm afraid.

[vague barn]

Yes. That.

[plain bluff]

yes

[vague barn]

Great minds think alike. Yes.

[nimble bridge]

You can apply skins to stocks, grips etc. but only specializations mattered in terms of performance. Skins were cosmetic.

[plain bluff]

myea

[vague barn]

Oh, yeah, skins should have no effect on weapon performance.

[nimble bridge]

Honestly might as well bring back specialization system too. Makes the game more balanced.

[vague barn]

The specialization system really only made sense in a World War context because, surprise, wasn't that many picatinny rails floating around at the time.

[nimble bridge]

Well I dislike how every gun has extended mags in newer games

Ammo is a non issue in balancing so it just turns into RoF/Recoil dichotomy

[vague barn]

Extended mags should be at most like the +3 or +5 range. I don't mind extended mags per se but there needs to be some downside to them.

[nimble bridge]

Actual attachments should be like BF4 imo then

One muzzle option, one optic, one underbarrel, one accessory(laser, flashlight etc.), extended mags can be in accessory but you won't be able to use laser or flashlight, or if you place laser/flashlight to underbarrel you won't be able to use a grip

[feral garden]

Extended mag > Lower ROF/longer reload.

[nimble bridge]

Longer reload makes sense but lower RoF doesn't

[vague barn]

I think longer reload would be enough.

[feral garden]

It is next to meaningless in modes where you can respawn. Even if they doubled reload time

[nimble bridge]

Yeah reload times doesn't matter in BF

[plain bluff]

less spare mags and lower reload

lower aim speed

there, fixt

[vague barn]

That is a tempting alternative. Fewer additional mags carried, slower reload.

[nimble bridge]

One thing I like about BF gameplay is that though, ADS speed is good, next to no aim sway or clunkiness unlike CoD, this is why BF isn't compatible with gunsmithing imo

[feral garden]

It doesnt have to make realistic, or logical sense either. It needs to be balanced in a way that gives one mag an advantage (More ammo) but also a disadvantages (Lower ROF/longer reload). While at the same time not making the standard mags irrelevant (they would both have a shorter reload, and higher ROF)

[plain bluff]

the issue is always with sway and kick. aim time is an excellent surrogate for ergonomy mechanics

[feral garden]

Standard mags in 2042 are made entirely pointless on weapons that have extended versions. Which is what should be avoided at all costs.

[safe moat]

I agree. There should be 2 different extended mags, one that gives ar most +5 ammo and a drum mag that gives like at most +15 ammo

And the drum mags should have a good movement and recoil control debuffs

[plain bluff]

kick rof outta those balance theories, it doesnt sound good

[nimble bridge]

I would've used BF4 style attachment system honestly, no extended mags, no issues

[vague barn]

Drum mags are overrated. I would rather limit it to a +3 and +5 variant.

[feral garden]

It sounds perfectly fine to me. If you want a higher ROF, use a different mag

[vague barn]

+15 in a drum mag makes little sense.

[plain bluff]

extended mags should simply be equivalent to real counterparts

look at the ar-15 quattro, for example. new gen capacity

[feral garden]

Yeah, cos making everything work as it does IRL makes lots of sense /s

[safe moat]

I made up the number but you can balance it your own

[plain bluff]

bullet numbers being equivalent to IRL mag sizes doesnt make sense?

[safe moat]

It also brings more chance for gun companies to sue the devs

[plain bluff]

gimme whatever youre smoking

[feral garden]

Just make all the weapons use all the best parts/attachments like a seal team would use...then make all the lesser parts also be in the game, but be irrelevant

/s

[safe moat]

Because a lot of gun companies do not like their weapons being very similar in games

[plain bluff]

you can change the texture and model slightly and there will be no lawsuits

[vague barn]

I don't agree with the idea of drum mags in the first place, but a +15 increase alone doesn't make sense to me and I, as a subjective opinion, prefer things to make sense.

[plain bluff]

straight 'stendos are the only way

[drowsy finch]

No it shouldn't. If you can't use your ears and eyes to see where gunfire is coming from, that's on you. The game shouldn't make it easier for players to kill me because they can't be bothered to listen for shots.

[plain bluff]

AR-15's and AK's have their own variants developed

[vague barn]

I would limit it to stuff like TTI extensions to keep it within reason.

[safe moat]

I do agree with you that it doesnt make sense but the numbers I just gave are just things that I made it up and didnt even give a proper thought for it

[plain bluff]

he meant for the duration of the gunfire. not an actual qspot

kinda how it works in cod

and within a certain radius and environment

obviously you shouldnt see the general area if the person shooting is behind the wall

[vague barn]

Pretty much what Striker said. I don't mean for it to Q spot you, and it should only be for the duration of the gunfire within a certain radius.

[drowsy finch]

My issue exactly. This isn't COD.

That mechanic was never in battlefield until we starting trying to compete with cod.

[feral garden]

Minimap spots resulting from gunfire should work on last known location only. And more so be a pulse or something similar. It should never have been a live tracker of the shooting player

[nimble bridge]

3D spotting is a bigger issue than minimap imo

[plain bluff]

then suppressors need a change in function if getting spotted for not having a suppressor doesnt exist

[nimble bridge]

Most players don't even check their minimap

[drowsy finch]

Both are an issue

So are kill cams.

[plain bluff]

agreed

[vague barn]

Fair point, maybe like a circle centered somewhere in the general area, not necessarily on the exact position of the shooter.

[plain bluff]

kill cam should slightly zoom into the general area youve been killed from, not highlight the player

[sharp obsidian]

maybe im the a lot of numbers whos asking, but do they sending invites already?

[drowsy finch]

I disagree again. Audible shots help a player track where you are by listening for shots. Silencers remove that.

[vague barn]

I don't mind kill cams highlighting whoever killed you, I do mind the ability to ping their location for your squad mates.

[plain bluff]

i meant that for minimap interaction. if its kept only as an audio modulator, i can get behind this

[drowsy finch]

I disagree again again, lol. If I worked to flank and get to a good position, it's instantly worthless on my first kill. It's just a mechanic meant to encourage movement and "action" at the expense of a player being tactical.

Which was brought about guess when? We they started competing with COD

[tepid plinth]

Pinging after dying was mind boggling, just doesn’t seem at all fair

[plain bluff]

highlights and pings on downs are the issue. if you were shot from the frontal hemisphere, you should probably get a zoom effect on the approximate location

[vague barn]

I think you misunderstood me, I do not want the ability to ping your location for squad mates. But I don't mind highlighting the person since there isn't much you can do about it anyways when you've been killed.

[vague barn]

Exactly.

[drowsy finch]

What? You can instantly spawn in and run to where you where killed. You can get in the mic and say I got shot by a guy in the red house second floor.

It completely ruins any tactical advantage the killer has and forces them to run around after each kill

[tepid plinth]

He’s got a point, I can understand disliking the zoom in and highlight. I know when I play I’m constantly managing exposure and checking angles so it’s less of an issue, but it’s true that you’re granted info pretty easily and can just rush them down in the next life

[spice bramble]

Snipers would love this idea

[pallid coral]

nah

[tepid plinth]

Could just flick the camera in the general direction of them and leave it at that

[tepid plinth]

Although you’d still have sniper glint, which evens it out for snipers specifically

[drowsy finch]

They should. A sniper should be harder to deal with. There also shouldn't be 23 of them on a team though

[vague barn]

I think you overestimate how much randoms communicate. But fair enough, I guess.

[pallid coral]

guys hot take

minimaps shouldn't be a thing in bf games

[vague barn]

They should be as far as I am concerned.

[spice bramble]

Boiling take

[pallid coral]

they give away way too much information, ive seen people only use them as guidance to find people's location

[drowsy finch]

They have always been lol

[spice bramble]

Without minimaps, what are recons for besides sniping?

[drowsy finch]

Every bf since 1942 has had a mini map.

[pallid coral]

could switch it up

new game, its not like its the old dice anymore

[spice bramble]

Minimaps highlight the position of your teammates also

So it is good for teamwork

[pallid coral]

i wouldn't mind that, but highlighting shooting enemies seems like a lot to me

[tepid plinth]

Holding long sightlines and applying pressure

[pallid coral]

i think only recons should have that ability (to ping someone)

[spice bramble]

There's no pressure

[vague barn]

Like Gibson said, minimaps are kinda needed for recce class to have anything to do other than snipe.

[spice bramble]

You can just outmanouver the sniper

[pallid coral]

i think people should use their ears and spatial awareness to find people

instead of looking bottom left and going "ah"

[spice bramble]

Snipers in BF are nothing like the real life counter parts

[drowsy finch]

Lol. I agree but we can find a balance.

[tepid plinth]

If said sniper has any semblance of aim skill then they can be a menace

[spice bramble]

I'm speaking from my experience in BF4

[drowsy finch]

I think you feel this way because of how cheap the mini map has become.

[pallid coral]

yeah, tho as they are right now, i think they give a lot of info, i think they should reduce that for just regular engagements

also thats why its hot tak elol

[vague barn]

Spatial awareness and using your ears is kinda unviable unless you use surround sound.

[pallid coral]

it has

[drowsy finch]

When it was literally just a mini map it was cool lol

Now it's an automatic target detector

[pallid coral]

exactly

you get it

[drowsy finch]

Might as well be a heartbeat sensor

[pallid coral]

then use surround sound 💀 its in every modern earphone/speaker

[tepid plinth]

I’m talking mostly from bf1 as I’ve been playing that over the last week

[pallid coral]

if u can afford bf6 with high requirements, how do u not have... audio

[spice bramble]

Sniping in BF1 is outta the pocket

That's partly because other weapons aren't really viable

Because of the era

They ARE viable but not idea, that's what I meant to say

[pallid coral]

they had to implement so many experimental weapon or else all weapons would be just semi auto 😭

[spice bramble]

BF1 snipers are just different

[tepid plinth]

Feels like they govern the flow of the game for the most part. Sinai desert is something else

[spice bramble]

BF1 sniping should not return

You could strafe without sway if I remember correctly

Sort of turend into COD sniping

[vague barn]

Yeah, I guess. But removing the minimap would also make stuff like T-UGS and motion sensor balls useless. Although the motion sensor ball can go away for all I care, it seems a little too high-tech.

[tepid plinth]

What I’d want is something more akin to bf4, slightly slower velocities to incentivise getting closer

[vague barn]

And T-UGS should only be able to track X amount of people at most.

[rare bane]

It's now been removed from the lab schedule

[spice bramble]

This goes against your "holding long angles" point though

[pallid coral]

nono, im sorry i mispoke, i didn't mean "remove" minimap (even tho i said that) i mean reduce the "accessibility" it gives to everyon

[rare bane]

"No play test available "

[pallid coral]

this would make tugs more useful than before

[vague barn]

Ah okay

[pallid coral]

if minimap's information can only be seen if u use specific class or things

rather than just seeing red dots when they shoot

for that, u should use ur ears and spatial awareness

[tepid plinth]

Still would be able to hold longer sectors than other weapons, I just don’t want people being the ‘400m sniper guy’. The ability to hold those re-peek spots is what I feel its strengths lie in

[drowsy finch]

How do you guys feel about player movement speed as it currently stands? I feel like it's too fast.

[tepid plinth]

It’s fine

[drowsy finch]

Name check out

[tepid plinth]

Haha what’d you expect

[plain bluff]

@drowsy finch read that entire string

[vague barn]

Ehh, I guess that could be interesting, but the minimap itself should stay at least as a kind of Blue Force Tracker BFT so you can use that spatial awareness better. Like if you hear gunfire in a direction and you don't see any friendlies in that direction, you know it's enemy but not the exact location.

@pallid coral ^^

[pallid coral]

yeah honestly i dont mind something like that

[drowsy finch]

Yeah we're on the same page. Completely agree with your take

[plain bluff]

you played bc2?

[drowsy finch]

Yep.

[tepid plinth]

Was thinking about a ghost recon style map haze instead of a marker perhaps

[plain bluff]

second

[drowsy finch]

Perfect pacing.

[vague barn]

Could do that as well, yeah.

[plain bluff]

@drowsy finch

[drowsy finch]

And then came BF3 and suddenly 200 pound soldiers were olympic sprinters

[plain bluff]

thats an issue with the sprint perk being ubiqitous

[drowsy finch]

I forgot bc2 had no prone. I hated that lol

[plain bluff]

i guess it couldve been an option, but game design wise, it added to momentum, as i called it

i never really felt like i needed to prone

[drowsy finch]

I really wish I could just get an hour with a dev and ask questions lol

There are so many things I'd like to understand better from their perspectives

[plain bluff]

first thing i ticked in that survey was 1 on 1 interviews

you have no idea how much id like to ramble

[tepid plinth]

i think we'd all ramble if we could

[vague barn]

You have an idea how much I do ramble.

[plain bluff]

constructively

[spice bramble]

I clicked group playtests

so

[plain bluff]

group playsechs

[spice bramble]

that

[drowsy finch]

Make flying great again. Jets and Helos in BF2 felt like I was playing a flight sim. And then everything changed when we went to frostbite.

[tepid plinth]

i've already got a 17 page word doc containing all my thoughts on a new battlefield game

[drowsy finch]

Lmao

[spice bramble]

Private?

[plain bluff]

it isnt even out and you have feedback lol

[vague barn]

Tbh I would probably just ask questions about game dev work generally since I'm looking at getting into the field.

[spice bramble]

Im curious as to how you filled 17 pages

[tepid plinth]

for the time being. I keep adding stuff to it, and these discussions give me new talking points so it gets bigger and bigger lol

[tepid plinth]

Most of it's an analysis on existing game's class structure, takes up a good 70%

[plain bluff]

its really easy if you know how to use english langauge and are proficient in writing down concepts

i have 2 significant strings i refer people to here

[tepid plinth]

since I do game design elsewhere it's pretty natural for me to just write for hours on end

[plain bluff]

not to jerk my own ego, but not many people even try to conceptualize game direction and how it ultimately effects gameplay

[tepid plinth]

honestly yeah

'just make game like last one guys, not hard'

[vague barn]

I used to have a folder on my google drive with feedback for 2042 but I deleted that folder when I stopped playing 2042.

[plain bluff]

combining old things to make new things isnt as easy as it looks, even if the groundwork was laid down

[tepid plinth]

should have kept it

[plain bluff]

what worked for BC2 doesnt mean itll work for bf6

[vague barn]

Had like 4-5 documents with 2-3 pages each.

[plain bluff]

however, replicating it is a wholly different issue

[tepid plinth]

but i'll probably go and add some thoughts about the minimap and such as it's an interesting topic

[plain bluff]

and replicating it in a way that makes sense for the game

[vague barn]

I can't shake the memory of someone yesterday saying "just copy paste the movement code from bfv"

Like... No.

[plain bluff]

i hate sliding so much

[tepid plinth]

I hate bfv sliding

but 2042's good

[spice bramble]

I honestly don't understand people that say they should remaster BF2

[plain bluff]

every time i witness sliding my rage bottles up like a pressurized container filled with anger and warcrimes

[spice bramble]

The game came out in 2005, had so many mechanics that are outdated by todays standars

Even if it was remastered it couldn't feel like BF2 again

[tepid plinth]

it's mostly just cause it might mean an influx of players so they at least get to play it again

[plain bluff]

right? magic of nostalgia hits hard

[vague barn]

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

[spice bramble]

With a 20 year difference in game development it's just

not possible

[feral garden]

Remaster and modernize the maps.

[plain bluff]

20 years of game regression

[nimble bridge]

Minimap should stay, just remove 3D spotting, most players don't even check their minimaps anyways

[spice bramble]

I check it a lot

But I'm not most players

[vague barn]

I look at it very frequently, so frequently in fact that I often die because of it.

[spice bramble]

It's free info

[nimble bridge]

That's me

[plain bluff]

When I lock in, I tunnel vision so hard the only things Im capable of doing is annihilate, scan and cream all over the scoreboard

i know you guys know

[nimble bridge]

I prefer V sliding to 2042, 2042 slides would be as useless as BF1 slides if not for momentum

[tepid plinth]

I....huh?

[spice bramble]

cream

[vague barn]

I am unsurprised.

[spice bramble]

Neither am I

[plain bluff]

whipped cream

[spice bramble]

SBMM goes against the grain 90% of the time

[tepid plinth]

titanfall movement when

[spice bramble]

When TF3

[vague barn]

Either way, yours truly has to make food.

[plain bluff]

next 🅱️ibanfall buddy

[vague barn]

IN THE WORDS OF ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER

[nimble bridge]

2143

[vague barn]

I'LL BE BACK

[spice bramble]

I never played Titanfall so I don't need it

[plain bluff]

the first titanfall made me feel all giddy with how the game felt

it was truly The Shit™️

[spice bramble]

Vince was behind it

If Vince is behind Battlefield..........

[tepid plinth]

SEEE

[spice bramble]

One can dream

[tepid plinth]

THE PIECES

ARE FALLING INTO PLACE

[spice bramble]

We need da candy crush dev back

He knew the direction of BF better than any other I imagine

[nimble bridge]

50 cents per reload would definitely bring in lots of new players

[spice bramble]

Beating a dead horse

[tepid plinth]

was it the same guy who said that?

i remember seeing that as an actual quote

[nimble bridge]

I don't know but one of the EA execs said that

Might be the same guy or someoene else

[fleet robin]

lmao paying for reloads

"yeah they won't even think about it they'll just pay"

won't even think about it and uninstall

[tepid plinth]

trust me, I f*ing will think about it

[spice bramble]

It's amazing how genuinely dumb people get to high spots

[nimble bridge]

Most execs aren't developers or gamers

[spice bramble]

That's life

[nimble bridge]

They are businessman

[tepid plinth]

like the whole 'veilguard failed because it wasn't live service' thing, then KCD2 comes out

[vague barn]

It's corporate, it's psychopathy institutionalised.

[tepid plinth]

the funniest thing

[spice bramble]

So what. they still can have the brains to listen to their developers

"Oh, the game didn't do good! It totally must be something nobody cares about that was missing...."

"It surely wasn't the issue with the core of the game being shit...

[fleet robin]

that's the thing

[tepid plinth]

'the players just don't like singleplayer games anymore'

[fleet robin]

he's not saying "veilguard would've been a good game with live service elements" he's saying they could've milked customers just that little bit more if it had live service elements

fucking scumbags can't even conceive the idea of making a good game for people to enjoy

it's money in money out

[spice bramble]

Wilson pisses me off

Didn't he push for ads in games

[tepid plinth]

ubisoft already did ads in games

10 steps ahead of him

and don't forget the ea launcher giving you mandatory desktop ads when closing down a game or having it open

[feral garden]

Veilguard would have been good if the choices you made actually mattered, or if the dialogue wasnt largely PG13. For me, games like Baldurs Gate 3 set the bar higher for what players expect from an RPG of this type.

[fleet robin]

BG3 ruined rpgs honestly

the bar is absurdly high now

i played starfield after BG3 and it was a shocking experience

[spice bramble]

Just imagine if the big games studios actually gave a fuck about the quality of their games (I know, will never happen). The games that come out of indie developers are great and imagine them with a 100 times larger budget...

Fuuuuck money

[vague barn]

They would become exactly the same. Big studios don't get big without catering to investors as opposed to players.

[spice bramble]

I know

Essentialy, what I'm getting at

You have games like Squad, imagine if the budget was way higher whilst keeping the soul and heart for the game

But it's impossible

[fleet robin]

the biggest problem is risk, for every great indie you have thousands of failed ones. Multiply the budget by millions and suddenly all they can do is what they know works, which is cater to the lowest common denominator and fill the game with mtx

[tepid plinth]

the best thing is finding an indie game you like and joining their communities, it's just so different to anything like what we see here

[spice bramble]

Whatever I'm saying here is purely hypothetical

Imagine is the key word

[fleet robin]

occasionally you get a few gems with big budgets and a studio that cares, but it's the same as indies

imagining just makes me sad that the gaming industry turned out like this lmao

[spice bramble]

Ultimately happens to everything that goes mainstream/big

[nimble bridge]

I have enough old games to play so I couldn't care less about the current state of gaming

If no new game came out from this day forward there would be still enough good games for me to play before I hit the coffin

[tepid plinth]

honestly i'm in the same boat lol

got literally thousands of thief maps to keep me going

[nimble bridge]

For new games I'm only excited for multiplayer FPS and occasional SE or Capcom games

[safe moat]

AEK 971 is fucking disgusting

[tropic trout]

Will it be in next BF.? Who knows..

[safe moat]

I hope not

[tropic trout]

Will it be OP again..? Who knows..

[safe moat]

Its a fucking full auto AA gun with high ROF

And it has the funny bouncy grenades

[tropic trout]

Or just give us M16A3

[safe moat]

I never got to play REFACTED since it released

Welcome back Operation Locker

[vague barn]

Redacted seemed like a much better version imo.

[safe moat]

I don’t know, both matches I played on it we got pushed to our spawn and proceeded to never get out of it for 20 minutes

[vague barn]

Did you play on a 128 player server by any chance?

[safe moat]

Nah, 64

[vague barn]

Huh, interesting. Usually there's at least one path you can take out of the spawn that's unguarded or at least not guarded as significantly.

[safe moat]

Nah, all lanes had LMG campers and grenade spams

[vague barn]

Then again I didn't play it for quite a while, could be that people have learned how to spawncamp it now.

[safe moat]

Especially Skydance’s quad grenades

[vague barn]

Yeah. Those are rather annoying.

[woeful sluice]

Same. Modern gaming isn't like too bad. There are good games and every now and then.

[safe moat]

Honestly, the “Modern Gaming sucks” hater train is fueled by nostalgia and hate. I can assure you games were not as good as people say back then

Sure they were good but they weren’t masterpieces

[vague barn]

I feel like a decent portion of the community tend to forget how bad BF4 launch was.

But I guess that was overshadowed by later games.

[spice bramble]

I first played BF4 in 2015

I didn't have to suffer through the bugs

[fleet robin]

it's definitely no coincidence that the games people praise the most tend to be the ones they played in their childhood/teenage years

[plain bluff]

its also no coincidence that "inclusivity-driven development" completely destroyed the core battlefield experience

world was a different place back then, its not just nostalgia

[fleet robin]

what destroyed battlefield was out of touch people trying to turn battlefield into something it isn't

nothing to do with inclusivity, they just made a shit game

[plain bluff]

thats what i said

[feral garden]

Its not tho

lol

[plain bluff]

it literally is. hero operators and anybody with a face is just the culmination of that

inclusivity is just another buzzword for association and identifying with something (usually characters)

they thought BF was that type of game, which it isnt

[feral garden]

Again, thats not what the other person said, and not what you are saying

[plain bluff]

sorry i am not following

[feral garden]

Inclusivity isnt what made BF games bad. Terrible direction and design is.

[plain bluff]

okay, what is inclusivity to you?

[feral garden]

Male and female soldiers of varying races and/or geographical belonging. Which allows the player to better identify with the soldier they are playing

[plain bluff]

okay, so we are on the same page. terrible direction and design is directly reponsible for this, you know

it started with bf4

[feral garden]

No, these are separate to what made the game bad

I dont want to get into this with you either

[plain bluff]

battlefield is synonymous with anonimity to me, singleplayer excluded

[vague barn]

It's a minefield that I suggest we not travel any further into.

[plain bluff]

i just find it distasteful that cover art since bf4 largely lost its anonymous vibe

bc2 and bf3 had shaded out cover faces

thats the image battlefield should stick with

[vague barn]

Ngl 1970's film "VFX" was way better than it is today.

[plain bluff]

its ultimately a franchise built upon its multiplayer experience

[vague barn]

Watching Kelly's Heroes at the minute and the VFX are on fucking point, namely, there is none, since they are blowing up houses with actual proportional levels of explosives and not ridiculous amounts.

[fleet robin]

i mean was it really anonymous? You can pretty clearly tell the gender and race of the person in bc2 and bf3 cover art, only difference is the later games didn't hide it as much

[plain bluff]

kellys heroes is a cult classic man, great movie

[vague barn]

Every artillery shell isn't a miniaturized nuclear device.

[vague barn]

Oddball, what a man, greatest American war hero in history.

[plain bluff]

that exact loss of concealment does so much in my eyes, even if the gender was obvious

[feral garden]

99% of players wont give a shit about playing as specialists/soldiers with a face, as long as there are no wacky voice lines, a balanced class system, good maps, weapons and vehicles. As well a good design and balance when it comes to combined arms combat.

2042 had none of this at launch, so people try to attribute its failure to "Inclusivity and diversity"

[vague barn]

Also watched A Bridge Too Far the other day, they aren't just animating paratroopers and aircraft, I'm quite certain that they're actually having people paradropped for it.

[plain bluff]

soldiers with a face doesnt equal named operator

[vague barn]

You kinda implied it was.

Or at least roughly equivalent.

[plain bluff]

i concede on the second point

i think it slipped my mind to mention id be fine with gender choice

but generally id like to see more covered faces

be it shades, goggles, shemaghs, bandanas, face paint

[vague barn]

Ngl a shemagh and camo face paint would fit recce class excellently.

[plain bluff]

nowadays you'd definitely be trying to mask your identity

because... you know

looks to ukraine

[wispy dagger]

They need to just give character customization but only real world and team specific camouflages. You can be unique but just a cog in the machine. BFV did this pretty well until the hero skins where they lost the mark.

[plain bluff]

yes i agree

[vague barn]

Agreed, I don't want to see ridiculous outfits like trophy equipment and shit like that which there was a lot of in BFV. Obviously there were more ridiculous outfits in there but I imagine we all know what those were so, yeah.

[spice bramble]

The type of outfits Arma has

Would be kewl

But that's broad

[wispy dagger]

Idc if they even monetize different country specific camos

[covert nest]

Not gonna lie the elites in bf5 I didn't find to break the faction cosmetics too hard.

Steve i think definitely was the worst.

[vague barn]

Eh, I think Arma is a little too restrictive to use as a comparison.

[covert nest]

And I think not being able to put the outfits on regular soldiers hurt customisation.

[wispy dagger]

Like the Danish special forces camo with the netting

[spice bramble]

Arma Regorger has the multiplayer mod called "WCS". You can change your outfit/look pretty extensively on their server

[vague barn]

Me neither, I would almost prefer they take a Hell Let Loose hint and have packs of equipment from various countries and units.

[spice bramble]

But I'd prefer somewhat complete bundles since it allows for more details

I mean complete skins sorry

[vague barn]

Yeah, I used to play on WCS servers so I am familiar with the idea.

[spice bramble]

My only gripe is that when you make your vest, helmet, pants and whatever customizable, you can't really go all out on the design of it

Because ya need the specific cosmetics to fit well with other cosmetics

[vague barn]

Yeah but that's kinda an Arma limitation imo. That game wasn't really built to have such extensive customization as it ended up having.

[spice bramble]

It's not just Arma

Ghost Recon has it too

[vague barn]

I assume that "fit well" means no clipping?

[spice bramble]

For example.

I'll try to show you what I mean, just have to find a picture

[vague barn]

Gotcha

[spice bramble]

Okay, I'm too lazy to find a picture. The best I can describe it is, when you make a COMPLETE set, you can design it, add little details and addons that make the overall soldier look cooler. With customization that allows for changing specific gear, you can't really go too much into detail, otherwise clipping would occur or it would just look stupid

Unless it's really well done

[heady thorn]

[spice bramble]

[wispy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[fleet kindle]

I rate insurgencies cosmetics work well enough. Honestly the way they have some more "out there" stuff would work better on a battlefield game

[vague barn]

Rumour has it we're looking at a NATO vs PMC game, so not really insurgents.

[fleet kindle]

Because theres no denying if there is customisation there will be some "out there" stuff. But rather than like santa costumes i think they should go along the lines of insurgency sandstorms "out there" stuff where its not too harsh on the vibes

[fleet kindle]

I meant more as in just the way the cosmetics work and the extent of how "grounded" they should be as a baseline

Either way as long as its not like 2042 again it was somehow really limiting vs bf5 with your options

[spice bramble]

I find Inurgencies cosmetics to be boring tbh

But again that just stems from the fact that the cosmetics are made out of pieces

[fleet kindle]

yeah its personal preference tbh, i find all the tacticool stuff really fun to mess with when it comes to cosmetics, even if it is nato vs pmc you can just have bluefor and redfor cosmetics ig

[stone mica]

Are there some tests going down soon? Not seeing anything in my Playtest account yet

[mossy marten]

We don't know when invites are being sent out. Could be tomorrow. Could be next month.

[stone mica]

Roger roger, thanks

[spice bramble]

I think we'll see some news the next week

[ember summit]

I fancy we'll see something similar to current COD where you have Operators you play as but they're strictly just avatars and aren't tied to anything like field upgrades or other equipment

Personally I'd like to see BFV character customization in a modern BF game

[fleet robin]

there always are, you'll get an email if one is available to you

[spice bramble]

Battlefield twitter posted and it's just some damn clip

Damn trolls

[mossy marten]

They posted an actual good clip too
Not some person doing some ratty 12m stuff, but a bf4 zook after ejecting from a10

https://x.com/ItzaMePizza/status/1890070674892623929?t=izgrsxxm-K-WvTjLz-CQIw&s=19

[celest forge]

Still no emails?

[mossy marten]

no
and you'd know if there was invites being sent out because twitter or reddit would be full of that information/leaks

[peak pumice]

they said couple of weeks iirc so atleast another week before wed expect to start hearing anything

[fervent stream]

0

[spice bramble]

I think they meant that the tests would start in a couple of weeks?

[plain bluff]

2 more weeks

[feral garden]

...of people asking if the playtest is on, if emails have been sent, and when they will be sent.

[celest forge]

good

[safe moat]

Clip got yeeted

[golden vortex]

"in the coming weeks"

[safe moat]

More funnier thing is that most probably the emails are considered confidential so even if we get the emails we can’t talk about it

[plain bluff]

2 more weeks is a meme

look it up

[mossy marten]

i know

[golden vortex]

Obscure meme certainly, because I don't know it

[plain bluff]

definitely not obscure since it was a thing during the 2020 elections

[golden vortex]

so ancient as well 😄

[spice bramble]

I never heard of it

[plain bluff]

how old are you people?

genuine question

[spice bramble]

18

[golden vortex]

way older than Gibson

[feral garden]

Dobule that, and pass it to me

[spice bramble]

I'm on the lower side of the median here I see

As far as age is concerned

[plain bluff]

im double your age too, so yeah

[spice bramble]

I guess I'm hoping for this to be my BF3 in a way

[plain bluff]

you poor soul

[spice bramble]

Ya'll got your share of fun 13 years ago

[golden vortex]

The average gamer is 35 and like 52/48% men/women

[spice bramble]

Depends on the game

[golden vortex]

Average across all games

but yes

[spice bramble]

Yea yea

And Battlefield never attracted the younger audience that much, besides me I guess

At least I don't think it did

[plain bluff]

carbonic sounds 45

[spice bramble]

I assume more than double my age

[spice bramble]

lol

[plain bluff]

scratch that, he's deep into boomer territory

[spice bramble]

Senior citizen

[golden vortex]

At least I removed my christmas hat avatar long ago

[plain bluff]

oohhh such a burn

did santa claus traumatize ya

[golden vortex]

[plain bluff]

i just cant be arsed

maybe ill do it today

[spice bramble]

Suits you

Keep it

[golden vortex]

You are insulting people on Discord. You are the difinition of a person that got too much free time

[spice bramble]

?

[golden vortex]

not you 😄

[plain bluff]

The only person im having banter with is you. i have no idea why you would consider it an insult

[golden vortex]

I dont, we good

[plain bluff]

im also curious where you got that excess free time allegation from too

[golden vortex]

Now it's me that can't be arsed. Have fun in labs 🙂

[plain bluff]

not too far off the mark though. working in product certification has its merits

HEY I WAS ABOUT TO BE FUNNY

[spice bramble]

You both are boomers as far as I'm concerned

[plain bluff]

💢

gibby want a pacifier?

mommy milky?

[spice bramble]

Pacifier

Pretty please

And baby wipes

[cursive ridge]

This is the best thing you've created thus far.

[vague barn]

Friendly reminder that Swedish CSAR personnel have Yoda as their mascot with the slogan "find you, we will".

[sudden lodge]

Sorry they have WHAT

[vague barn]

Yoda, from Star Wars, as their mascot.

[trim bronze]

have been any mails send yet?

[vague barn]

Not as far as we know.

[trim bronze]

👍 thanks

[sudden lodge]

😆

[vague barn]

They literally have it on their unit sleeve insignia, I can send a picture if you'd like.

[sudden lodge]

I believe you I just thought it was funny

[vague barn]

lmao

I was scrolling through the pictures I have saved from various military exercises and stumbled across it lol

[spice bramble]

Ya'll need to watch this to brighten up your day guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-vMXTavCSg

[mossy marten]

loads 12ga
shoots that YT link

[spice bramble]

This shall be the new Rick Astley link

[versed token]

Nice virus link bro

[spice bramble]

Today, today I'm proud

[spice bramble]

It might as well be a virus

[vague barn]

I clicked on it, closed it and deleted my web browser history and removed that utter garbage from my YouTube watch history.

[spice bramble]

Why so mean, the voice lines were amazing!

[safe moat]

Get ready for your kneecaps

Release 2042 is a memory I would have liked to keep it suppressed

[spice bramble]

I wish to relive the launch day again, great times!

[nimble bridge]

Don't be sad, this is just how it works out sometimes

[spice bramble]

I never wanna see Sundance back now that I'm watching it

N E V E R

[wispy dagger]

That was salt in the wound release day lol

[spice bramble]

No, it was straight up a bullet to the head

[mossy marten]

[vague barn]

What would even be decent long-range gadgets for recce class? Most of the recce gadgets I can think of in Battlefield are more oriented toward the close to medium range battle... The only long-ish range gadgets I can think of in BF4 are the MAV and SOFLAM. The MAV is kinda weird and practically never used, SOFLAM is the same, you just place it down and it operates autonomously.

The PLD has a limited visibility range that doesn't really allow for long or even medium range identification of targets.

[mossy marten]

Recon isn't supposed to have long range gadgets imho

[surreal cloud]

lol why

[mossy marten]

Spawn Beacon, Spotting Scope, maybe a bfv style flare, and the other thing I'm forgetting what it's called

[surreal cloud]

I think the mix in bf4 was fine, spotting stuff both long and short range and then self defense trap stuff

same for bf1

[mossy marten]

but nothing that can cause damage at long range

I prayge that they don't add mortars/UCAVs

[vague barn]

It seems a little pointless to have the long range class only have close-medium range gadgets if you ask me. Kinda defeats their useful employment at long range as they can only really shooty shoot, without contributing anything other people closer in couldn't provide.

Oh wait, there was the SUAV. That was a kinda long range gadget in BF4.

[feral garden]

Soflam/binoculars for recon. There's your long range gadget. 👌

Reconnaissance drone for scouting.

[vague barn]

As I mentioned, the SOFLAM is just something you place down and then don't do anything with, and the binoculars (PLD in BF4) has a limited observation range.

[mossy marten]

Sure let's have a casper drone again that can spot the whole enemy team 24/7
That's surely fun to be spotted 24/7

[feral garden]

Soflam in 2042 is an active spotting gadget tho.

[heady thorn]

[feral garden]

As it should be

[vague barn]

Recce drone would be neat to have but how do you extend such a gadget into the long-range (~200m) area without it becoming like the Casper drone just spotting entire teams in seconds? Battery life maybe?

[vague barn]

Yeah, we're talking about the same thing, PLD in BF4 is more or less identical to SOFLAM in 2042 afaik.

[mossy marten]

You just...... don't add it obviously
Spotting Scope/whatever the modern day version is called

[feral garden]

You'd solve the drone spotting issue by making it's spot mechanic a ranged pulse on a cool down.

[vague barn]

Yeah, that's a fair compromise.

[feral garden]

Q spotting and dorito appearance in general needs to be massively toned down.

[vague barn]

Spotting scopes are still used by sniper teams to great extent so you're right about that, even analog ones that are literally just monoculars with insane (12-40x) magnification.

[spice bramble]

Drones with nades

Wont happen I knoooow

[vague barn]

No, thank you. As common as they are irl, it would be a major point of annoyance.

[spice bramble]

Back to the long range gadgets

There really aren't that many

Laser designators would be useless, considering SOFLAMs exist

[vague barn]

I kinda wish there would be a SOFLAM (2042 edition) equivalent, but without the limited detection range but keep the limited designation range. It'd be a powerful tool, but you would have to sacrifice a gadget slot for it.

I feel like it might also encourage use of the damn thing, since it wouldn't make them completely useless at detecting targets beyond like 150 meters.

I can't speak for how their detection range is in 2042 though.

[spice bramble]

Speaking of soflams

Supposedly tracking dart will be in the game

But I don't know how that's better

[vague barn]

Tracking darts are kinda pointless imo, they don't last nearly long enough nor do you really get enough of them to make a meaningful difference.

[spice bramble]

yep

Maybe they'll get creative with some gadgets

[vague barn]

Hopefully, yes.

Maybe make the weapon mounted rangefinder from BF4 into a gadget instead of a weapon attachment?

[spice bramble]

Could be great for zeroing, yeah

Could also add something similar to Blasco's signal disruptor

[vague barn]

True, that's a good shout.

[smoky pike]

has anyone gotten an invite yet to labs

?

[spice bramble]

Niooope

People need to start searching for prompts

[vague barn]

Ngl as much as I like motion detectors I also hope to have some method of bypassing those for people like me who like flanking and remaining undetected.

[spice bramble]

Perks

Or perhaps special camos

[vague barn]

Ehh, something that you'd have to trade something else for imo.

[spice bramble]

DICE LA camo made you not stand out in thermals for example

I dunno what a fair trade off would be'

Wait, I just said it

Signal disruptor

[misty musk]

pls let me believe

[spice bramble]

But maybe they can make a bigger and a smaller version, differing in range

[vague barn]

Yeah, I kinda liked that idea but it was kinda annoying that it was locked behind a really, really complicated easter egg. I know SAAB has a personal concealment system for hiding from thermal, Barracuda.

[misty musk]

let me believe they are gonna cook this time

[spice bramble]

Who are the manufacturers of CV?

[vague barn]

BAE Systems Hägglunds.

[spice bramble]

Aren't they trying to implement a thermal resistant "something" (can't remember the word) on their tanks?

I know I saw a video and in it they could make different thermal signatures

Simulate a car signature for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzpVkhm-Otk Oh yeah, this thing

[vague barn]

BAE Systems developed ADAPTIV which is a series of additive plates that can alter a vehicle's thermal signature, yes. It's a thermal signature modification more than a thermal concealment.

[spice bramble]

Close enough

[spice bramble]

I remember doing the easter egg, was kind of fun

[vague barn]

Yeah. It's cool tech, but kinda redundant and way too complex compared to just hiding your thermal signature as with SAAB Barracuda MCS for vehicles.

[vague barn]

I'm sure it was fun doing it but, assuming there are no community hosted servers, it'd be exceptionally difficult to pull off in a new game.

[spice bramble]

True

[vague barn]

This is what SAAB Barracuda thermal camouflage is like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv-bGYXhBpg

[spice bramble]

Could be something that engineers build

[vague barn]

Afaik they also have a sort of blanket these days using the same material to reduce thermal signature, but can be worn as a poncho as well.

[spice bramble]

But would be situatuonal as heck

[vague barn]

Yeah I wouldn't make it something buildable.

[spice bramble]

Would you have it in the game at all?

Seeing that Leopard also makes me wish we had it

[vague barn]

I would have it in-game but instead of completely masking your thermal signature, it'd just reduce it.

[spice bramble]

But how would you implement it?

[halcyon fable]

Old good time 🙆🏻
I think it's time to refresh your bedtime story 🫡😂
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhRtxbtNiYkgVHVf7JI4IVa3hsUdr4qde&si=0Gmf1tiwDrMNSMvG

[spice bramble]

You're a bot

I'm not clicking that for sure

[halcyon fable]

Battlefield Friends anime Playlist

[spice bramble]

Okay, not a bot

Was testing you

[vague barn]

I would make it a soldier cosmetic that's unlocked through something like an assignment in BF4, or through class progression for recce class. It'd cover only your torso, upper arm and upper legs, as well as your head and neck when not viewed from the front. The system would reduce your thermal infrared signature but not remove it completely. To make it a better long-range thing I would keep thermal sights (at least when mounted on small arms) relatively low resolution so that even with only a reduced thermal signature, you sort of blend into the blur at long distances.

I'd keep it unique to the recce class as well, otherwise everyone would use that.

Just keep it in one available camo color so you have to choose between having better thermal camouflage, or blending in better with different environments.

[spice bramble]

Oh I thought you'd keep it as a vehicle thing

But I suppose that it would work the same way

[vague barn]

Oh, on vehicles it'd work the same, just on a larger scale.

[spice bramble]

Yep

I'm trying to think what else camos could do

[vague barn]

On vehicles I would probably make it a gadget though, as it is an addon piece of kit.

[spice bramble]

Yeah, agree

Also, why do you call recon recce? Just curious

[vague barn]

I just prefer the British abbreviation over the American one.

[spice bramble]

gotcha

[vague barn]

As for what else camouflage could do; probably not a whole lot. It sort of fulfills it's own purpose by just existing.

[spice bramble]

Mhm

Man I better get into that playtest

I would manage to find an easter egg in a pre alpha

[vague barn]

I doubt they have put any in for pre alpha, just seems like their focus would be elsewhere during this stage.

Then again, DICE have a tradition of easter eggs, so what do I know.

[spice bramble]

I meant that I'd put the game under a microscope and find EVERYTHING

So that I'd make even easter eggs appear

[vague barn]

Fair.

Anyways, I need to make some food and then I'm probably going to play something.

I'll see you around

[spice bramble]

cya

[half halo]

Hellow! 🙂 What are the news?

[mossy marten]

Error 404:
No news found

Please try again next week

[half halo]

What are you guys doing? Anything interesting?

[spice bramble]

Scratching my nuts

Looked up COD MW2019's reloading animation and damn, Battlefield should take inspiration

[safe moat]

Battlefield’s animations are good, but they can definetly be better

[spice bramble]

Battlefield has animations, MW19 has ANIMATIONS

But a big part of their animations is also the sound design paired with it

[safe moat]

I may be alone here, but I think Battlefield doesn’t need over exaggerated animations

[spice bramble]

They aren't that exaggerated in COD

But having nicer animations is always nicer than not

[safe moat]

In MW2019 it may bot but in newer ones they are IMO

[spice bramble]

I am talking MW2019 specifically here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvPfUIDMY2E

This is eargasm

[safe moat]

IMO the new BF also need some sort of weapon inspect

Maybe short animations

[spice bramble]

Oh don't worry it will

They will need to show off the skins somehow