battlefield-labs-discussion

[spice bramble]

I SHALL BE SELECTED

And my PC shall fail me...

[vague barn]

Since the universe has failed to deliver on many of the things I have said;

I SHALL NOT BE SELECTED

[spice bramble]

meow

[vague barn]

Mjau

[spice bramble]

I need bf4 to download so I can play already

[vague barn]

yes.

[spice bramble]

My 70MB download speed isn't helping

7 Mb/s that is

[vague barn]

pain

[spice bramble]

Truly

The modem I have is literally over a decade old

[vague barn]

Neat.

[spice bramble]

whateva

[vague barn]

innit m8

[spice bramble]

You probably have like a 1gb/s speed

[vague barn]

I wish. 24 Mb/s

[spice bramble]

3.3 more than I have

Consider yourself lucky

[vague barn]

I shall.

[tepid plinth]

bold strategy....
one I shall also employ.

I DO NOT WANT TO BE SELECTED

[spice bramble]

I'll do you one better

I SHALL BE WATERBOARDED IF I GET SELECTED

Reverse psychology works wonders

[vague barn]

👍

[tepid plinth]

If I get selected i will not answer any of the questions and just rant about the quality of hair

there we go, chances lowered to zero

that'l work, right?

[dense plaza]

So how's your hair? Lol

[vague barn]

Chances lowered to zero and replaced with certainty.

[dense plaza]

Exactly

[spice bramble]

If I get selected I'll pretend that I went missing and actually playtest the game in the Himalayan mountains providing crucial feedback...

if I don't my PFP is my reaction

[vague barn]

I wonder what ping would be like on top of Mt. Everest.

Probably rather............ High.

[tepid plinth]

so low it does a reverse integer limit break and sets my chances to 127 gazilion percent

[dense plaza]

I just hope they make sniping actually enjoyable without so many issues

[tepid plinth]

i'd unironically spend an hour testing the limits of movement and recoil systems

[spice bramble]

I'd connect to a satellite to have 0 ping

[spice bramble]

I'd test the most obsecure shit there is

[vague barn]

I just had to edit that message for that joke.

[spice bramble]

There is one bug from BF4 I know that has been there since forever

And no normal person would find the bug

Bunch of what ifs

I'll go cry it out in the corner, I won't make it

[tepid plinth]

turret camera glitch?

[vague barn]

my man

[spice bramble]

If you held a grenade by actually equipping it, not by pressing G, and then switching to another slot

And then SWITCHING BACK to the grenade slot, it would run the throw animation

But not throw the grenade

[tepid plinth]

intriguing

[spice bramble]

Truly

[versed token]

You can still do that

[spice bramble]

I know

I said it's in the game still

[vague barn]

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN SITTING ON THIS CRUCIAL INFORMATION!? THAT'S GAME BREAKING.

[graceful spire]

i hope i'll get selected

[versed token]

I mean in the newer games

[tepid plinth]

can't say i've ever chosen to switch to the grenade anyways

[spice bramble]

dream on

[graceful spire]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802

a

[spice bramble]

Thinking about what I actually did

in BF4

I literally either played knives or was looking for dog tags for the phantom bow thing

[hallow escarp]

i feeel like people should be getting emails now

[vague barn]

Ok.

[spice bramble]

He FEELS it

It must happen

[hallow escarp]

i really FEEEEEEEEEL it

[vague barn]

It is dictated by God now.

Inevitable and unquestionable.

[quaint peak]

hey. be patient.

[tepid plinth]

like The nose

[vague barn]

You're going to have to explain what you mean by this.

[quaint peak]

if ea corperate even gets a scent of players wanting things faster they'll go back on the playtesting shit faster than light just to make shareholders happy

[tepid plinth]

if i do have to go through another period of people accidentally sharing information thinking this is a closed channel, i will lose my mind

[quaint peak]

if anything we should be imploring them to take longer on purpose. for our own good.

[heady thorn]

[vague barn]

Hei Torbis

[spice bramble]

Don't ya worry guys

GTA VI blessed us with pleeeenty of time to playtest

[graceful spire]

did that already happen?

[tepid plinth]

for 2042's network test

[graceful spire]

ah lmao

[tepid plinth]

i hate how every game release is now revolving itself around that game while I have 0 care for it

[spice bramble]

I do care for it a bit

But if a GOOD BF were to release instead of it, I'd be much happier

The fact it's going to be a console only launch is even worse

[vague barn]

I have never been able to get into GTA.

The GTA V campaign was cool.

Trevor was the only really memorable character though.

[spice bramble]

I have 1500 hours in GTA V and I myself don't know how

I guess it is because I modded (not in griefing way) and just did whatever

[vague barn]

I have 9 945 hours in Arma 3 and I myself know exactly how.

[spice bramble]

I will never understand how people rack up so many hours in games

I unfortunately gamehop like a bunny

[tepid plinth]

don't understand it either

[spice bramble]

To be fair, I was always limited by my PC to some extent

[vague barn]

Oo, this reminds me. In GTA V me and some friends would dress up as 1950's gangsters and take out a classic car, drive people to the middle of nowhere and execute them and drive away.

[tepid plinth]

I just sort of feel like if i commit too much time to one, I won't be enjoying others

[spice bramble]

You can create tons of scenarios in Arma so I do kind of

understand

[vague barn]

That was surprisingly well appreciated by some of our victims.

[rancid radish]

Wonderin when the tests start

kinda hyped for them

[tepid plinth]

oooorrr just play antistasi and nothing else

[vague barn]

I just hang around in milsim groups. Meet interesting new people and learn from them.

[spice bramble]

Man I'd love to play Arma reforger rn

[vague barn]

I've met Falklands War veterans that way, really interesting guys.

One of them had a borderline sexual attachment to the GPMG.

[tepid plinth]

if I want to have a social time, I do Squad. Arma is for tying three cars together, filling them with javelins and taking out an outpost with a 6 man stationary rocket emplacement

[spice bramble]

I used to play Squad

Then they updated the lighting and it fucked up my performance to point of no return

Game would run smooth and suddenly a huge drop, happened every firefight

[tepid plinth]

yeah that doesn't sound the best

[spice bramble]

Can't even run hell let loose well, even though I used to

[vague barn]

I used to play Arma 3 on a daily basis, now I mostly only really play the game on Sunday evenings in a larger 60-70 player recurring event. I do still make small mods for the game though.

[tepid plinth]

performance was rough, but I don't really care how I perform in squad. It's just a fun social experience, it's gameplay is too random and out of your control to be something worth tryharding in

[tepid plinth]

Will say though, I watch RubixRaptor to this day. Absolute gem

[vague barn]

Never heard of them.

[tepid plinth]

you haven't?

he's like of sovietwomble level of arma content

[spice bramble]

You know I mean FPS right

[vague barn]

Nope, then again I don't follow any gaming YouTubers.

[tepid plinth]

I know you like your milsim stuff, but if you love the sandbox stuff you are doing yourself a disservice, genuinely the funniest stuff i've ever seen is on that channel

[tepid plinth]

yup. I was running it on a 1060 for the longest time, it's just that I used the word again without realising the context

[vague barn]

Forgotten Weapons and sometimes The Operations Room is all I watch.

[tepid plinth]

basically meant to say it didn't run well but I didn't care much cause it wasn't something I was tryharding

[spice bramble]

What GPU do you guys have atm?

4090's I bet

[tepid plinth]

3080

[pulsar shard]

4090

[errant geode]

6090

[spice bramble]

4090 costs a kidney + a heart

[vague barn]

I love the sandbox stuff as well. I had a friend create an SCP based DayZ experience with a persistence system, that was fun.

[spice bramble]

I have the worst of the bunch then

Sadly

[tepid plinth]

Rubix did something along those lines, many times. SCP seems to be a popular op type

[vague barn]

Yeah, I never really got into SCP stuff but I was really interested in that specific mission he had made.

[tepid plinth]

given me the urge to go watch him now

[vague barn]

You're welcome.

[spice bramble]

2 more DLCs for BF4 and I'm golden

[vague barn]

I would ask for your in-game name, but I kinda don't want to play with anyone else.

[spice bramble]

Me neither

I like playing solo

[vague barn]

👍 Perfect.

[spice bramble]

Never really felt comfortable with people I don't know

personally that is

[vague barn]

Yeah I get what you mean

[spice bramble]

But hey

If the next BF turns out to be great and Helis are fucking you over

We can do an IGLA squad or something

Not VC, just in game

[vague barn]

Could be cool, yeah.

[spice bramble]

Also, about the leak earlier

If it was just a comment and not even attention whoring then I don't see it really being fake

[astral vortex]

don't you know invatations have already been sent?

[spice bramble]

Question of the day

[vague barn]

No. I am not aware.

[winter viper]

🍍 jalapeño 🍕

[mossy marten]

@totalfps Zook's trying to rage bait you

[winter viper]

Pineapple, Jalapeños, sausage pizza is the best

[mossy marten]

screenshotted and DMing Kevin on twitter

me looking at OLEDs and crying because they're so expensive

[winter viper]

I feel the same way looking at my gas tank on 1/4

These Battlefield polls I've been doing really show where some of the community's head is at.

[versed token]

In the ground

[pulsar shard]

I hope the new BF have proximity voice

[tepid plinth]

Won’t lie, squad basically trained me in how to talk to strangers

Although to be fair, 70% of those you meet are French or something

[spice bramble]

I just remember being cussed the fuck out as a kid

So I just didn't talk lol

[winter viper]

You'd be surprised honestly. Last 3 polls have shown a lot of love for BF3-4 and V

[versed token]

Not surprising at all

[spice bramble]

I thought you'd say they want twitchy movement and jumpshot dropshot zouzou combo

[versed token]

The amount of people that have nostalgia for 3/4 is staggering

[winter viper]

Actually yea, they want a BF4 style with BFV slide

[spice bramble]

That's good right?

[versed token]

and V somehow gets praised alot daily here in discord

[spice bramble]

BF V isnt that bad even

[mossy marten]

BF4 gunplay, but better
BF1 atmosphere
BF3 maps
BFv movement

Simeple as that

[winter viper]

^

Pretty much what the polls and comments have shown

[spice bramble]

I've seen this a thousand times atp

But if thats what it takes to make the devs know

[mossy marten]

.@dice
All you gotta do

[feral garden]

V actually had a lot of good sandbox additions. As well as some good ideas, some not executed well.

[winter viper]

https://x.com/Standingfast85/status/1888830586539626863?t=lqG9zZCIkqPXbOFn81bWJA&s=19

Tz KingZookSF 👑 (@Standingfast85) on X

With the hope of a new #battlefield, what type of movement would you like to see return?

X · Feb 10, 2025, 6:01 AM

More than welcome to look at the poll and the comments

[weary sandal]

the poll is meaningless because twitter users voted

[tepid plinth]

Bold of you to open a twitter poll

[winter viper]

As if the basement dwellers on Reddit are better? Most of then haven't touched another human being

[heady thorn]

Gamers are a specific breed of humans i tell ya

[versed token]

[spice bramble]

Zook

Surely you don't want tac sprint

Thats a question, worded it badly

[winter viper]

Ew, of course not

[heady thorn]

One consistent running speed, thanks

[spice bramble]

You made a point that CoD and BF had similar movement, which used to be true

Now COD is just overboard

Slidings fine by me but not on the level of newer cods

[winter viper]

It is true, since 2004-2006 BF and COD and similar movements, both games evolved over time. COD has gone idk in a weird direction, BF has moved forward with a fun and engaging arcade feel, while remaining grounded

[mossy marten]

BFV slide
or 2042 slide with BF4 airstrafing
Thank you Dice, please make it happen

[spice bramble]

That's what I want

[winter viper]

BFV

[spice bramble]

Movement thats fun but somewhat grounded

Yes

[winter viper]

It's was literally perfect in every way

[spice bramble]

Gotta say that BF4 really is kind of boring nowadays

I also like BF2042 movement but it's just not Battlefield for me

[winter viper]

It was fun, engaging, and created a skill gap where people could master the movement.

[mossy marten]

disagree
Back proning should not exist

[unkempt salmon]

Just spice the new BF up with no sprinting, all movement you got is walking

[winter viper]

Besides that, but I bet it will be back

[mossy marten]

eww

[spice bramble]

What's wrong with back proning?

Game really didn't click for me so I don't know the intricacies and what not

[winter viper]

Back proving isn't bad, but does remind me of how I was created

[mossy marten]

[manic gate]

Crouch sprint and tacti-roll are more important

[spice bramble]

Well Pizza

Whats your issue with it

[mossy marten]

tbh
the roll to prevent damage from high up was kinda pain

[winter viper]

Huh?

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-damian-gif-damian-jackson-battlefield-v-battlefield-gif-21953260

[feral garden]

Double jump when? Who needs a grapple hook then?

[mossy marten]

the way it made people disappear into the environment moreso than normal proning

[versed token]

Jetpacks pls

[manic gate]

Add elytra from Minecraft

[spice bramble]

That's not the issue of the prone itself

[manic gate]

[spice bramble]

Just overall visibility

I'd like to see it back, as long as it doesn't make you invisible like you said

Not invisible but you get me

[quaint peak]

i want nukes back in game

[mossy marten]

"moreso than normal proning"
I never said BFv didn't have garbage visibility, just saying laying on the back made it more difficult to see than normal proning

[quaint peak]

instead of regular auto balancing. there should be nukes like in BF4 or at least the option for custom

[spice bramble]

You just made it seem as if the prone itself was the biggest issue

But I understand now

[mossy marten]

no, never said that proning in general was bad, just the laying on the back was the issue

[spice bramble]

Was just my impression when you seemed to be so appaled by it

But I was talking out of my arese there sorry

[mossy marten]

all gucci, but back proning shouldn't come back imho

regular prone, fine

[spice bramble]

Even with fixed visibility

[mossy marten]

yes

[spice bramble]

I liked the fact that you didnt have to 360 in prone just to face the right direction

I do want to see it return, but hopefully in a way that is good for everyone

[vague barn]

So, quick question, I've seen a lot of people asking for BFV style call-ins. In the hypothetical scenario that this happens, how would you emulate getting knocked back by the blast of say a TLAM without back proning being possible?

You don't need to answer that as I don't know if you are one of those who do want that BFV style call-in.

[versed token]

You force the character to stand back up

and not stay laying down

[mossy marten]

if there is callin's, do it like DF, force character to stand up

or go crouch

but personally, idk how i feel about call ins if they were to come back tbh 🤷‍♂️
I could take it or leave it (but no vehicle callins whatsoever)

[vague barn]

I meant the blast wave of the TLAM knocking you over, not calling it in.

[mossy marten]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

[vague barn]

Alright.

[spice bramble]

Is there anything else besides the "blending in" part you dislike about it?

[scenic bramble]

Are people actually playing labs? Is it a real thing or de we wait

[vague barn]

Wait.

[spice bramble]

No one's playing

[scenic bramble]

Ah so it’s a pre pre setup

All the email and login

[spice bramble]

yes

[mossy marten]

just kinda cheese imho
being able to turn quickly while on the back/prone is cheesy
If you go prone, you should be vulnerable, because you decided to go prone.

[spice bramble]

Understandable

But say you would be able to go on your back, just not change to lying on your stomach?

[winter viper]

Going prone or being in the prone position is a defensible position not aggressive

[spice bramble]

Though I don't know how that would work

[vague barn]

That's one thing I liked about BF2042's takedown system, it allowed an enemy to perform a takedown on your regardless of whether you were behind them or not.

[spice bramble]

Rainbow 6 Siege has it and you can't change from back to stomach

[vague barn]

Unfortunately that's about all I liked about the takedown system.

[spice bramble]

Doesn't BF1 have this

[winter viper]

Bfv

[spice bramble]

You can frontally takedown in BF1

[vague barn]

No clue, never played it.

[vague barn]

Idk when or where it was introduced, I just remember it from 2042.

[spice bramble]

In every game, when a player was lying down, they could be taken down from ANY direction

[winter viper]

In battlefield five you can melee the Enemy from pretty much any position

[spice bramble]

Even frontally

[vague barn]

I swear you couldn't in 4?

[spice bramble]

When they were lying down you could

[vague barn]

Guess I need to whip out the old scout knife more.

[spice bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7u1CMGUMec Watch this at 0:44

[vague barn]

Oh well, none the less, I think it's a good feature.

[spice bramble]

BF4 did have counter attacks for standing and crouching though

[vague barn]

Huh, neat

[green bear]

Counter attack would've been sick if the button to do it was random

[vague barn]

Yeah, I don't really like that system personally. For whatever reason it never seems to actually work as intended for me.

[spice bramble]

Should be a little minigame of button mashing

[green bear]

Otherwise, if you accidentally knifed someone from the front, you lost

[versed token]

Ez keyboard faceroll

[spice bramble]

Not like that

[winter viper]

DannyOnPC has always hated the Knife Counter attack lol

[vague barn]

Idk how or why but whenever I get knifed from the front I have like 0.001 frames to react to it.

[spice bramble]

Let's say you had a set of 5 RANDOM keybinds and whoevber pressed them first would win

[winter viper]

He wants it never to return. Lol

[vague barn]

But when I try it they seem to have all the time in the world.

[heady thorn]

it was so good, and the paddle melee was the best

[winter viper]

Agreed

[heady thorn]

One of my favourite takedowns was when you tackle someone to the ground, lift em up up by their shirt and slam them down again lmao

[green bear]

The neck snap was a personal fav

[winter viper]

Hardline melee was awesome

[heady thorn]

They felt personal, brutal and just satisfying

[winter viper]

Knife in the head

[green bear]

Hardline had some wild knife animations

[spice bramble]

I just wanted to say thjat

I loved Hardlines takedowns

[green bear]

But I would argue they didn't feel as brutal BF1 to me

[spice bramble]

You could make a point that BF1s were boring

They were brutal but not really creative, if you know what I mean

[green bear]

I'd say the brutality is what made them fun

That and the variety of weapons

[spice bramble]

Oh well

I always liked the animations for being unique

[green bear]

I remember the first time I hacked someones neck while they were laying down with a pickaxe in the beta

[scenic igloo]

[vague barn]

I really hope takedowns/knife animations become 1st person and adapt to stances again.

[winter viper]

BF1 had some nasty melee. Broken bottle, nail knife, Totokia etc

[spice bramble]

I fucking hope

But if they return to the core then they will surely do 1p animations

[vague barn]

It had a tendency to disorientate me quite a bit, them being third person.

[green bear]

Barbed spike club, sawtooth knife, swords. I mean the BF1 melee weapon list was longer than the entire weapon list at 2042's launch

[vague barn]

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighr-Rqu_9g&ab_channel=Lynx

[green bear]

The third person anims suck. Sure, you can be more creative with the kills. But from my experience, they almost always bugged out, or got messed up due to terrain differences. They hardly EVER looked good and they took too long.

[spice bramble]

They did what CoD did but 100 times worse

[vague barn]

Messed up due to terrain differences
Pretty much what's in the video I linked.

[spice bramble]

3p animations would feel out of place even if not bugged

1p always felt personal

[winter viper]

Man I would love a return of a proper stats page too.

[heady thorn]

at launch too??

[vague barn]

Like Battlelog?

[spice bramble]

Too much to ask

[green bear]

That man trying to shoot you may be worse than a bot

[vague barn]

Yeah, on the flip side, I was/am also worse than a bot.

[winter viper]

Yeah, with everything tracked. Still mad they never tracked Gadgets kills for 2042

[heady thorn]

[winter viper]

I'd be #1 in the world for sure

[spice bramble]

What gadget?

[green bear]

Not to mention, on console/using a controller, scrolling through the stats page in 2042 you would skip some stuff because it never properly accounted for how far you held the stick

I gave up using the in-game stats page and just stuck to BFtracker

[spice bramble]

I wish I could see where I rank in defibrillator kills on BF4

I have 1.3k kills with it

[winter viper]

M5 Recoilless rocket launcher on BF2042

[spice bramble]

Is your discord name the same as in game name?

I'd like to see your stats if you wouldn't mind

[winter viper]

Yes

Go ahead

Mastery lvl 730+ with the M5 recoilless

Well over 7k vehicles destroyed with it

[spice bramble]

You have 10 times my hours on BF2042 xD

[winter viper]

Yeah around 2500 ish

[spare zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwyane-johnson-flex-scream-gif-2358533164184528836

[spice bramble]

To be fair though

I never played a Battlefield to tryhard it or try to grind it

I just fuck around is all

I preferred putting 10 C4's on a bike and launching myself into the air

[golden vortex]

Hello fellow mine enjoyer

[manic gate]

[winter viper]

That's all I do. I just send pilots back to the spawn screen 1 epic shot at a time

[spice bramble]

Actually

You do what I do

You're just 100 times better at it

[tulip edge]

Wrong channel

[golden vortex]

I can fix that. I hope the next Battlefield has mines 🙂

[winter viper]

Looking forward to see what rocket launcher we get

[golden vortex]

#fixed

[spice bramble]

The same stuff we always get

[green bear]

Well we know there's an RPG

[spice bramble]

I'd like to see RPG variants

[vague barn]

M4A1 SLAM mine my beloved

[winter viper]

Hope it's not like the M5 recoilless in 2042, and more like the Bazooka from BFV

[spice bramble]

Bazookas won't be in da game

[green bear]

I hope engineers get more than 3 shots per spawn

[golden vortex]

Was it Battlefield 4 where you could have 6 of each mine for a 12 total?

[green bear]

I miss the 6-7 shots you could get from old BF games

[spice bramble]

In BF4 you couldn't have 2 mine types I think?

It would restrict itself

[winter viper]

I said..."like the Bazooka in BFV"

[golden vortex]

Mines didn't despawn. So place 6, respawn, place 6 of the other kind

[spice bramble]

Yeah I missread, pardon

[winter viper]

How it fired, reload speed and drop and speed

[spice bramble]

Anything, just not BF3 RPGs

You could outrun the rockets

[green bear]

Make it BF3 portal RPG fast

[slim bay]

Hi everyone, does it saying "Your playtests" and "upcoming playtest" mean I got accepted or is this for everyone who signed up?

[winter viper]

Same in BF4, SLOW AF SMAW

[spice bramble]

I like the way it is in 2042

[vague barn]

I just want a M4 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle with the HEAT 751

Basically a M5 Reocilless without all the bad shit

[spice bramble]

I want something like AT-4s

Had to google it

[vague barn]

Like the sight, that I hate with a passion.

[spice bramble]

Or newer RPGs

[vague barn]

Would be cool to have, but imo a bit too over the top to have like 4 AT-4s on you.

[winter viper]

2042 sight on the M5 SUCKS. I liked the og from the Alpha better

[spice bramble]

They're too heavy ain't they

Aren't Javelin missiles too?

You could carry those around

[winter viper]

Lock ons...gross

[vague barn]

I prefer the Carl Gustaf for two reasons: (1) it goes DING when they're done, and (2) it is a reloadable weapon system by design.

[spice bramble]

I could see RPG 26 if not AT4 or the Gustaf

[vague barn]

Well, my complaint is more that they're disposable and not reloadable so.

[spice bramble]

They're disposable

oh

Didn't know that,

Like Panzerfaust?

[vague barn]

Javelin tubes are also kinda disposable, only the CLU stays after you've fired.

[vague barn]

Yes.

[spice bramble]

aaa

[vague barn]

You shoot it and they yeet it.

Ideally at someone.

[spice bramble]

But I don't think we should be restricting ourselves to realism

[winter viper]

Yeah AT4 is a single shot, while the Gustav is reloadable and reuseable

[spice bramble]

Imagine if you had a driver and a gunner for tanks

[vague barn]

Idk man I kinda like the idea of assault having access to a single disposable launcher like in BFV and the Engineer having the reloadable one.

[winter viper]

Gustav does IRl have rounds that can be set to air burst at certain ranges too

[vague barn]

Also has laser guided munitions these days.

[spice bramble]

Hobbyist, actually

Couldn't the launchers just be separated into categories

Ones with more rockets but lower damage

And At4 would be stronger but you'd have, say, 2-3 of them

At most

[vague barn]

Yeah, you could do that I guess.

I just prefer the Gustaf as the multi-use one.

[spice bramble]

Another thing

Didn't BF V have destructible tank components?

[hollow hawk]

It did, turret, engine, tracks

[spice bramble]

Could make it that the tandem launchers have an easier time breaking them

Or just stronger calibers

[winter viper]

2042 does that. You can get 5 M5 recoilless rockets, but it does lower dmg, where as you can get a max of 4 RPGs and their dmg is higher

[vague barn]

Yooo wtf, the laser guided shell for the Carl Gustaf can apparently also work in AT4's.

That's sick and confusing.

[feral garden]

Buildable resupply stations (Like in BFV) that spawns a single use disposable launcher!

[vague barn]

That would be cool, actually.

[feral garden]

Basically like battle pickups in 4

[winter viper]

Nah DF does that and it sucks. Trust me

[spice bramble]

Not restricted to engineers?

[green bear]

So like the flamethrower on operation underground

[spice bramble]

Wait

BF4 had a disposible launcher, I totally forgot

[feral garden]

DF balance is ass cheeks, so that's hardly anything to use as a yard stick.

[green bear]

The AT4

[golden vortex]

Sometimes it's now what you do, but how you do it. I have a hard time ruling out the idea before actually trying it in a BF context.

[green bear]

I think it was on a few maps. But I remember it most on Golmud

Same with the one hit 50cal

[feral garden]

Yeah, they were so rare and oddly placed, they were mostly useless in 4

[winter viper]

Well the resupply stations in DF only give 1 rocket, or Grenade etc, where as the crates dropped by players will give 2.

[green bear]

The one on Paracel was pretty good

[winter viper]

It's stupid

[spice bramble]

Hobby

What about the LAW launcher?

s

[green bear]

I think Hainan Resort had a 1HK sniper on the roof as well

[vague barn]

So, since me, myself, and I, as I am a Swedish militarily overinterested person, would advocate for the full suite of Swedish anti-tank weapons; (1) M4 Carl Gustaf, (2) AT4, (3) NLAW.

M4 Carl Gustaf would be accessible to Engineer with 4+1 regular anti-tank shells (HEAT 551), or 2+1 tandem anti-tank shells (HEAT 751).

AT4 would be accessible to the Assault class with 2 launchers but with significantly decreased damage compared to even the HEAT 551's of the M4 Carl Gustaf.

NLAW would be accessible to the Assault class but only with one launcher and be equivalent to roughly one HEAT 751.

[spice bramble]

Assault shouldnt have access to launchers immo

[vague barn]

LAWs have largely fallen out of favor for anti-armor use, though I hear US SOCOM are using them for bunker busting.

[spice bramble]

Yeah, I'm just spewing out launchers that I know

I have no idea what I'm talking about 🙃

I'd just like to have variety in the launchers for once, it's always SMAW and RPG

Maybe assaults could have HE rockets though?

[vague barn]

Tbh all three that I just listed have already appeared in Battlefield games (in varying quality). The M4 Carl Gustaf was the M5 Recoilless in 2042. The AT4 as a battle pickup in BF4 as the M136. NLAW in BF4 as the MBT LAW.

[spice bramble]

True

But SMAW and RPG were undeniably the best ones

[vague barn]

AFAIK the USMC is currently trying to replace the SMAW with the Carl Gustaf, US Army never used the SMAW and are using the M4 Carl Gustaf. British Army is acquiring the M4 Carl Gustaf as well.

[spice bramble]

I'll just mention this again, you already know this

[vague barn]

As for OPFOR/non-NATO weapons; RPG-7 is the obvious go-to for a reloadable variant, but the RPG-26 could be the disposable, or alternatively one could have the RPG-29 to replace the RPG-7.

[spice bramble]

But the game shouldn't restrict itself to what is accurate necessarly

[green bear]

If BF1 can have the Hellreigel. Anything is on the table as long as it fits the vibe and isn’t unbalanced.

[spice bramble]

Who knows if they make faction locked weapons

[vague barn]

Fair point, since that thing literally only exists in like 2-3 photographs.

[vague barn]

I half-wish they do, half-wish they don't.

[spice bramble]

I don't remember if BF4 had faction locked RPG with SMAW

[vague barn]

No.

[spice bramble]

Then that's most likely how it's gonna be

[fleet robin]

hope not

[green bear]

I don’t think faction weapons were very liked in BF3

[spice bramble]

I don't like it either

[vague barn]

I doubt it'll happen given the balancing nightmare it would be.

[green bear]

Us side had a massive advantage in that game at launch because the m16 was fucked

[spice bramble]

Only game to get away with it is BF2

That's probably it

[vague barn]

I think the only way it could maybe potentially work would be if the unique faction weapons shared identical statistics, but at that point it's kinda meh to even do it in the first place.

[green bear]

Also if I remember correctly, the SMAW reloaded a lot quicker than the RPG

[vague barn]

Like for example M16A4/AK-74, M4/AK-105, M7/AK-103 or something.

[green bear]

Well, 3 was what. M16A3/AK-74M, M4/AKS-74U, M27/RPK-74, HK11/SVD?

[vague barn]

I have no idea since I never really played BF3 multiplayer.

Idk man, more I think about it the less viable it seems.

[green bear]

I don't think it should be done. Just for variety's sake

[vague barn]

Yeah.

[spice bramble]

Imagine they did it in 2042

Ak15/the M5A1

[vague barn]

Oh right, the M7 is called M5A3 in that game.

[spice bramble]

Can they still call the weapons by their actual names?

[vague barn]

Depends on the weapon, really.

[green bear]

Yes. But I think they're going COD route of not doing so. IDK why

As long as they use military deignations they're fine

[vague barn]

Military designations are fine to use afaik, but commercial names are a big no-no usually.

[spice bramble]

Glocks don't like being in games I think

[vague barn]

Or at least avoided.

[green bear]

Abbreviations are fine I think

[vague barn]

They don't, that's why they're always abbreviated to just GXX

[green bear]

Like the Glock in BF3 is just G17/G18

[spice bramble]

That's not an issue then

But COD renames their guns completely

Don't like it at all

[vague barn]

Kinda-ish, the HK416 in BF4 was renamed the M416.

[green bear]

Yeah cause it has HK in it

[vague barn]

Yeah but, if memory serves, HK416 is an actual military designation these days.

But I guess better safe than sorry.

Either way, the G28 was also renamed the G428 in 2042.

[green bear]

I didnt like a lot of the name changes in 2042

[vague barn]

Although that's a bad example since it's marketed as the G28 and not the HK28.

[fleet robin]

it's surprising that gun manufacturers don't like their names in games but are totally fine with a carbon copy of their guns being in the game

[green bear]

Plausible deniability

[vague barn]

The thing that weirds me out is that Medal of Honor: Warfighter had full manufacturer names and shit and no one threw a fit but still no one does it.

[spice bramble]

There's a chance that someone will actually throw a fit so

They just want to avoid it altogether

[vague barn]

LaRue, HK, McMillan, all kinds of manufacturers were fine with it, but I think there was license agreements involved so I guess it's that.

[green bear]

Licensing costs money, and with the way Warfighter ended up, I reckon EA won't be investing in that again

[spice bramble]

Also

Was't/isn't EA in a lawsuit with Bell?

[green bear]

I heard tale of Activision getting shit for Remmington having the licensed ACR in MW3.

[spice bramble]

https://law.stanford.edu/press/bell-ea-fight-over-aircraft-imagery/

This was way back

Do games like Squad have to licence their guns too?

[vague barn]

Not afaik.

[spice bramble]

Is it because they're somewhat realistic or?

[green bear]

Oh yeah I remember the AH-1Z getting dunked on

[vague barn]

No clue.

[green bear]

I don't think it has anything to do with the style of game. I think it's 1. The reach and 2. They're mostly indie devs, who don't have the pressure of lawyers down their throats 24/7

[spice bramble]

Makes the most sense

And nobody likes Activision/EA afterall

[feral garden]

I explained why games dont licence , or use licensed weapons on another server a few days ago...but ill copy paste some of the reasons here...

Weapon licencing, or lack of licence use in games is a multi part issue. One part is license expense/duration (See how many games need to be de-listed due to music licencing for example). Another part is regional laws disallowing the advertisement of purchaseable firearms to youths/players in general.

IIRC, some weapon names can be used licence free due to them being military use, and unobtainable by the public through normal means (Google says these weapons include M4, M4A1, M16, AK, RPK, ETC)

[heady thorn]

I'd honestly just reccomend sending the GameSpot Licensing Video, pretty good one.

[vague barn]

Fair points, thanks for sharing.

[ebon beacon]

And in some cases completely butchers their designs (BO6's "not-MP5" )

[heady thorn]

lachman sub 😎

[green bear]

Man some of the half guns in recent COD games are awful

[scenic igloo]

so do we know when does alpha test starts?

[green bear]

"In the coming weeks"

[spice bramble]

Older games didn't have shit

Just one type of attachment

Boom, done

[ebon beacon]

it is only known to those who were/will be accepted, and they won't be allowed to say they were accepted

[vague barn]

Then came GWOT

[green bear]

BC2 lol. “You want a sight? Here’s a red dot and a acog. Enjoy”

[spice bramble]

BC2 sound design man

[nimble bridge]

Some of those ideas are returning if supposed playtest leaks are real and not made up

[spice bramble]

I act like I played these games but I barely did, I should stop

[ebon beacon]

sometimes that's all you need

Loved some of the irons in BC2 as well

[nimble bridge]

This please

[spice bramble]

Did you guys like the animations from BF V/1?

BF V revive animation and then their shared vehicle animations for example

[green bear]

Not realistic AT ALL. But man, fuck realism. Those guns sounded like hot steel being thrown through a wood chipper. And the echos, gooooddddddd damn. Shooting the F2000 and stopping and hearing the echos crack at the RPM of the gun

[spice bramble]

I'd honestly be cool with just the tinnitus returning

Sounds so damn nice

[green bear]

We need that hollywoodified action movie sound design back

[ebon beacon]

alright you may be joking but have u seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNDBrSxg3tE

[heady thorn]

Very important to note that they only mention that the first phase of labs will go live in the coming weeks, which could entirely just means invites sent out, and actual testing could starting later.

[vague barn]

Oh shit, that reminds me, I saw a VBSS exercise with those things.

[vague barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suHOLFhbwsM

[nimble bridge]

One thing I liked was syringe not occupying gadget slot in V

Vehicle animations shouldn't exist though

[green bear]

I agree. Medics in previous games choosing shit like a grenade launcher over using paddles/needle pissed me off so bad

[spice bramble]

I think the vehicle animations added depth, for one

Like, you couldn't just hop out to repair and then get back in like nothing

It makes you be more wary of when you jump out

[vague barn]

Vehicle animation should be a thing imo. There's nothing worse than setting up an ambush on some dude repairing his tank and as soon as you initiate it he just jumps in and kills you.

[dull dew]

Weones

Niuno me entiende jajajakajakak

[nimble bridge]

No, it's just clunky imo, literally no one jumps off from their plane with a parachute because it sucks, you will be shot before you land or you will hit the ground before you open it

[dull dew]

Kajajakajskajsjak

[spice bramble]

Jets don't matter that much, they could just make it so they don't have animations

[nimble bridge]

That's why pilots would rather kamikaze than to jump in BFV

[dull dew]

Habrá uno que me entienda?

[spice bramble]

But ground vehicles could really use the animations

Or just have an entrance animation and no exit animation

[green bear]

Seat swapping animations in the planes in BF1 tho

[spice bramble]

Was great

[vague barn]

Air vehicles I don't particularly care about having animations or not, it's ground vehicles that I am after since those are the ones you can actually ambush people repairing in.

[spice bramble]

Obviously totally impossible with modern jets

[green bear]

Yeah

[spice bramble]

I'll advocate for it if I do get into the playtests

[nimble bridge]

You could also steal his tank and go over him

[spice bramble]

There's usually the driver and the gunner

But even then, he can just notice you

[vague barn]

Not really when your footsteps are louder than your rifle.

[nimble bridge]

Use bhopping

[wispy dagger]

I liked the animations so people couldn’t just hop out and kill up

You

You had a fighting chance

[spice bramble]

Bhopping is even louder?

[nimble bridge]

Nah

It's as silent as a ninja

[vague barn]

Idk man, it just feels scummy to have them teleport in and out of the vehicle instantly.

[spice bramble]

You literally jump on top of running

[nimble bridge]

You run first but then you jump and slide

[green bear]

People jumping out of their tanks mid-battle to shoot you with an RPG was annoying as hell in 4

[spice bramble]

It's hard for me to agree with your opinions SBMM but I have to respect them

You're not on Bunny's level

[spice bramble]

I did it all the time

And it is scummy, extra shot that decides the encounter

[green bear]

Or when the tank you're shooting at had 2 engineeers in it

[humble bronze]

its not scummy, its skillful and rewards you for positioning better than ur enemy

[green bear]

You basically lost no matter what

[spice bramble]

It's a vehicle fight

Should be decided by the vehicle

But rendezooks exists so

xd

[humble bronze]

Lol, no. Its a team game.

[spice bramble]

Team game...

But we're talking about you jumping out and back in for the extra shot

[humble bronze]

Your point that fights should be decided by the vehicle itself is literally wrong in the first place. It has never been like that in battlefield game.

[spice bramble]

I didn't word it correctly

When somebody else shoots the tank then fine

It shouldn't be the tank driver that can hop out and shoot like that

[green bear]

The method has nothing to do with positioning or skill in the vehicle. It's like second chance but for vehicle fights

[spice bramble]

This

[humble bronze]

He can literally die if done incorrectly, and lose the vehicle itself.

[spice bramble]

Eh

More often than not he will get the shot off

[green bear]

Good luck killing him before he kills you. The only chance that happens in a heated tank battle where you have him 1 shot, is if for some reaon he pops out the front

[spice bramble]

I'll stand by my opinion no matter what

[supple glade]

Hey guys are the test in-person?

[green bear]

No

[humble bronze]

Seen it happen multiple times, skill issue.

[spice bramble]

I hate you "skill issue" folk

But whatever

[humble bronze]

But it literally is if u say good luck killing him lol, most players do not know how to position urself in situation like that

[green bear]

How a tank battle ends in a 1v1 should be decided by who is better in the vehicle. Not by some dork popping out instantly and shooting you

[vague barn]

"I was countered, better say 'skill issue' to try and appear superior"

[feral garden]

Should the next game have better water movement. Not just dive/surface and use of pistol?

[spice bramble]

I bet you want BF4 movement glitches back, too

[humble bronze]

Tanks do not have high mechanical skill ceiling by themselves.

[green bear]

Positioning/ammo type.

[spice bramble]

What else could they do tho

[vague barn]

I don't think so, I think pistol should be all you can use from the swimming position.

[green bear]

Free form swimming like modern COD games

[feral garden]

Directional underwater movement, like was added to WZ2.

[spice bramble]

Oh yeah

Yeah, could be

[green bear]

Yeah I don't think using primary should be allowed while swimming. But free form swimming? Sure, why not

[vague barn]

More free swimming movement though, definitely.

[humble bronze]

So? They're not mechanical skills. If u use worse shell than the enemy, well ur problem.

[spice bramble]

At least you wouldn't be like a dead fish

[spice bramble]

BF V implemented ricochets to some extent, for example

Instead of stupid popping in and out they could make vehicles a tad bit more complex

[green bear]

The way to counter the ammo type is to sneak up on enemy armor and position yourself better.

[feral garden]

Battlefield has never really had underwater based routes for maps. Id love more naval/water action. Like imagine passive perks return, and they have "Enhanced lung capacity" or something. Or routes for flanking on maps that are through water/flooded tunnels, ETC.

[spice bramble]

Seems really situational

[green bear]

Flanking under the underwater tunnel on OP underground>

[spice bramble]

But better to have it

[vague barn]

I think Caspian Border in BF4 had two places you could swim into flanking positions.

[feral garden]

the more things a game supports, the better maps can be built.

[austere sparrow]

Underwater facility pvp map. That'd be sick. You could flood some of the floors as levelution.

[spice bramble]

Wise words

[feral garden]

It had that one flooded tunnel, and I always loved it haha. It felt like sneaking into a villains base in a bond movie.

[spice bramble]

Flood zone could have been better with it

[vague barn]

I know it had one underneath the wall itself and then one into the central facility.

[green bear]

Flood zone was too gimmicky, and the map flow was worse because of it

tbf though a lot of the levolution made maps worse

[feral garden]

floodzones flood doesnt change the map/flags. thats the main issue with it. You would imagine a massive city wide flood would alter the map...but all it does is make it an inconvenience to move around...and adds some boats 😄

[green bear]

It isn't all that interesting before it floods either. Because why focus on a section of the map that 8/10 times will be underwater

[spice bramble]

To be fair

Was conquest anything more than a big TDM?

[feral garden]

Yeah, like it would have been more interesting if 2/3 of the flags in the central areas were on the ground. But when flooded, they swap to the rooftops as they were.

[spice bramble]

I think they need to introduce an incentive to capture objectives in the next game

[green bear]

They need to bring back vehicles spawning on flags.

[feral garden]

BF4 had that, vehicles, and ease of access to battle pickups

[spice bramble]

Either that or faster respawn times, call ins, AC 130's, something

vehicle respawns*

[feral garden]

Yup. Vehicles actually spawning ON the flags tho. not giving extra vehicles to spawn.

[green bear]

One side having an extra tank because they have a flag is super useful

And allows stealing

[spice bramble]

In any case, vehicles in base should probably not spawn

Only on flags

[feral garden]

Yup, or trolling. Placing C4 on the flag spawned heli on Rogue Transmission and waiting for a player to steal it 😛

[green bear]

Agreed. As cool as the bases were in the older games was cool but the vehicle camping was brutal

[spice bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZmdc72LsDQ&t=337s

I saw this video and gah damn, did they have it bad

Granted, BF2 you could go to bases actually

[feral garden]

Home Base AAs should return also. when not operated by a player, it should be auto controlled to defend bases

[spice bramble]

Oh that's one more thing I wanted to add

[green bear]

BC2 conquest base camping was FUCKED.

[spice bramble]

What if, when you capture an objective (not every objective, just selected one), you can build AA that automatically locks onto enemies

And is destroyable

With choppers being mostly dominant

[feral garden]

I just hope bases, airfields and carriers return. Ive hated how "Meh" vehicle play has felt since vehicles just pop into existence. Especially planes

[vague barn]

Or paradropped MBTs.

[spice bramble]

There never seemed to be a problem with base camping in BF3 or 4 ngl

It was just that one runway on BF3s wake island and the jet there

But that was a flag vehicle

[green bear]

Gulf of Oman in BF3, the russian spawn was always at a disadvantage.

[humble bronze]

there was, lol

[feral garden]

I dont mind paradropped tanks. But you should have to earn them (Score earned)

[golden vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-home-alone2-lost-in-new-york-concierge-tim-curry-gif-27290801

[spice bramble]

Okay, I might not remember 3

But with 4 I didn't notice it hat much

Or I'm yet again speaking out of my ass

Probably that one

[woeful sluice]

Speaking of paradropping tanks, breakthrough matches in hourglass and kaleidoscope at the start of 2042 is an experience I'll never forget lol.

[feral garden]

Hey, being able to admit fault is a good characteristic 😛

[versed token]

It was easy to do cause you could just destroy everything spawning in the base

before anyone could jump into any on the vehicles

[humble bronze]

in bf4? no.

[spice bramble]

Rather do that than have a useless argument

Fabled, wtf u typing

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-higa-nigahiga-essay-incoming-gif-25057663

[spice bramble]

Dude has something in the works

Feels like waiting for a trailer to drop

[manic gate]

this early?

[versed token]

Yes

[spice bramble]

Fabled has been typing since 2042s release

It's prolly glitched

[versed token]

Everything spawns on the ground and there are many maps where you can shoot ways away into the enemy spawn

[humble bronze]

lol i mean i can prove it to you right now that youre wrong but sure.

[versed token]

Prove what exactly?

[humble bronze]

You can't damage vehicles that havent been entered yet in bf4

Someone needs to spawn in, in order to do that

[versed token]

Since when?

[humble bronze]

I have no idea, maybe on release it wasnt the case, after all the patches it is the case.

[versed token]

Either way it doesn't really change that you can still base camp very easily

[spice bramble]

Sacres saying the truth actually

[humble bronze]

you can basecamp in every battlefield very easily

probably

[spice bramble]

I remember it now

[vague barn]

I really need to pee but I'm too interested in seeing what Fabled is actually typing up.

[humble loom]

Dear battlefield I think you should heed this message, and see if anybody supports this....please let me know your thoughts! There needs to be a conversation on a simple system that will make your game so popular launch won't be a problem, and it's free for you to do. What we really want is a better team structure ..if you had squad chat with the leaders being able to inter communicate with other squads and a commander who could coordinate you could have strategic battles insted of a random sprint to the front lines. When I think of the best fps structure for this I think the title Mag would serve as a good reflection.. you won't see the maneuvers in battlefield like you should until you do this .. imagine 64 players holding back on a position and the enemy wondering where they are .. maybe the other team extends too far.. and 64 players cut them off from their supply lines or coordinate squads.. able to lend one or two players to help another objective.. giving this communication ability in game per squad per team.. well this would give us reason to play... even if youbl wanted to sell skins it wouldn't matter.. it's teamwork. I love the big maps , and if you just changed the communication structure ..even battlefield 2042 would be different.. in fact I'd like to see that change we need this in the community imagine l9gging in yourself to play. You might look forward to joining a game with 15 -30- or 64 players your buddies you met in game and played with.. to have a clan that's ranked against others maybe a team a army, and having that overall goal outside of the game.. will be more wholesome than others.. Also I'd like to be involved if possible this working would mark your title as the pivotal battlefield of the time, and with the capabilities of the new systems you could have bigger battles still.. just use the simple structures that we love to see. Also on one last note .. strategic play is always what I loved.. maps that consider this are welcomed.

[spice bramble]

GOAT

[versed token]

Man wants Arma

[spice bramble]

Give the man his Nobel prize in literature

[vague barn]

Paragraphing.

[feral garden]

SUMMARY

The writer suggests improving Battlefield's team structure by allowing better squad communication and a commander to coordinate. This would create more strategic gameplay, like in MAG, where players work together to hold positions and support each other.

They believe this would make the game more enjoyable, even with in-game purchases. Adding clan rankings and a sense of community would also enhance the experience.

The writer loves Battlefield's large maps and thinks better communication would make games like Battlefield 2042 more fun, focusing on strategic play.

[versed token]

Too many words

Shorten it even more

[spice bramble]

I have a dude in the friendlist that is CONSTANTLY on his own in his server

I have no fucking clue what this guys doing

[humble loom]

Sorry fellas had to be said.

[spice bramble]

Could you read it out loud for me

[feral garden]

🗣️ The writer suggests improving Battlefield's team structure by allowing better squad communication and a commander to coordinate. This would create more strategic gameplay, like in MAG, where players work together to hold positions and support each other.

They believe this would make the game more enjoyable, even with in-game purchases. Adding clan rankings and a sense of community would also enhance the experience.

The writer loves Battlefield's large maps and thinks better communication would make games like Battlefield 2042 more fun, focusing on strategic play.

[balmy hawk]

In other words. What Squad already is lol

[spice bramble]

There are the mil-sim and overly fast gameplay camps on this server

And then the medium

[balmy hawk]

Milsim in Battlefield

[vague barn]

I don't even know what my opinion on that text is.

[balmy hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-lol-fast-sped-up-gif-10470342796394061610

[vague barn]

And no thanks, I have Arma.

[versed token]

Didn't you know that battlefield has always been realistic and a milsim

[nimble bridge]

Battlefield 6 should be Titanfall 3 honestly, we need jetpacks

[versed token]

[balmy hawk]

Same lol

[spice bramble]

Battlefield 6 needs to be Battlefield first and foremost

[balmy hawk]

I have arma and squad

[spice bramble]

And they should make Titanfall 3 instead of stupid BRs

[nimble bridge]

Or BF||2143|| should be that

[balmy hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-so-true-my-friend-halo-wars-spartan-meme-gif-26451791

[humble loom]

I seriously just want to see teamwork .. and communication on a similar platform with fun inspiring objectives.

Mag .. was a under rated title .. I'll never see 64 players flank from the rear of a column again.

[mild girder]

Time for some BF1

[spice bramble]

Ya'll remember Squad TDM?

The gamemode, not the game

[safe moat]

Agreed

[versed token]

TDM is dookie

[nimble bridge]

I never liked TDM in any BF game

[tepid plinth]

Of course I come back to titanfall 3 discussions

What’s on the cards now

[spice bramble]

Just sayin' that Squad TDM really made me feel like I was a part of a squad

[nimble bridge]

BF2143

[spice bramble]

Not saying I like TDM necessarily

[safe moat]

Im trying to level up the Scar in 2042 and man it shoots a bit slow

[spice bramble]

You love using emojis man

[nimble bridge]

Yes 🤓

[versed token]

Scar hits like a truck so rpm doesn't matter

[nimble bridge]

Use standard if you prefer higher fire rate but high power is better imo

[vague barn]

I think Platoons was a neat idea for the clan aspect, but should be elaborated on. As for increased infrastructure for teamwork like SL chat; meh, I don't think that's needed or would really be used enough to be worthwhile. As for 64 players going unnoticed in a Battlefield game; that is a very pre-30 Year War era idea. You will never, ever have 64 players ambush 64 players, nor even 32 players ambush 32. It requires a map that is too large and spread out. Not to mention cohesion that you will never, ever achieve with randoms in a Battlefield game.

[nimble bridge]

High power drum more exactly

[spice bramble]

Were the bipod mechanics different in BF3/4 than they were in V?

Can't remember rn

[nimble bridge]

I think they were manual like 2042, but can't say for sure

[vague barn]

Slightly, I think in V you had to manually deploy the bipod whereas in 4 it automagically deployed it whenever you ADS near to a suitable surface.

[nimble bridge]

V had automatic bipods

[feral garden]

Whatever bipods are in 2042...they are bad haha

[spice bramble]

Ohj yeah automatic bipods

[safe moat]

I have that gun not even leveled up, I only have a basic red dot

Because I just started leveling it up

[spice bramble]

THey should stick to manual bipoding IMO, and make it restrict your aim

[safe moat]

It does, but one problem. My aim sucks major ass

[nimble bridge]

Use Cadwoman's TDM bot server

To unlock attachments

[vague barn]

Can't you just play solo to unlock attachments as well?

I.e. singleplayer, whatever it's called.

[spice bramble]

In solo it only goes to certain amount

[nimble bridge]

Yeah but it's somewhat even buggier

[vague barn]

Ah

[safe moat]

I believe on Solo XP gain has a cap

And its slower

[nimble bridge]

Than cadwoman's server

[vague barn]

Yeah but afaik and iirc the kills still count toward weapon unlocks.

[nimble bridge]

Yeah

390 kills with bots is what I first do when I want to T1 a weapon

I hope next game will have a better attachment unlock system

[spice bramble]

Battle crates :D

[vague barn]

Hopefully so.

[nimble bridge]

BFV had nice challenges for skins too which was nice

Rather than just ''get 1200 kills''

[spice bramble]

I need me a DICE LA camo easter egg again

[safe moat]

For scopes I am fine with “Get X amount of kills” but for other attachments there should be different challenges

Weapon XP system in my opinion is just not it

It pushes the gameplay to be more grindy

[nimble bridge]

Use M5 then, first weapons in 2042 are usually easiest to learn, if you learn M5A3 you can learn pretty much any other AR too

[safe moat]

I already have M5 leveled up good, its just I wanna use other guns besides the Bizon, M5 and AS Val

[nimble bridge]

Ah I see

[safe moat]

Also the reason I use the AS Val is because I love that gun in every shooter game

Not because its broken

[vague barn]

What would people's opinions be of a Hardline esque unlock system where you collect some form of ingame currency and use that to "purchase" weapons and attachments of various kinds? I am not a big fan of the idea personally because it allows to just skip through a bunch of content.

[nimble bridge]

Unpopular opinion but I think weapon unlocking should be fast

[safe moat]

Oh I am DOWN for that

[vague barn]

Or alternatively, as you had to do to unlock the universal weapon categories in BF4, you need to "level up" the class(es) instead of the weapon category.

[safe moat]

I agree that weapon unlock can be fast but attachments should take time

[nimble bridge]

I think both of them should be fast

[humble loom]

64 players operating on the current platform wouldn't be hard.. if your squad leader has to communicate with other squads say all the squads are clans. Who here has Played "Mag" on the ps3 it was pre battlefield 3

[spice bramble]

I'd rather unlock attachments faster ngl

[humble loom]

Then you'd understand.

[nimble bridge]

We need skin grind instead

[safe moat]

When I say take time I don’t mean like one sight in 4 matches. More of like 2 sights in 1 match instead of 6 sights in 1 match

[nimble bridge]

That can take a bit of time

[spice bramble]

What kind of skins would you like tho?

[nimble bridge]

Pink unicorn

[feral garden]

Lots of players (Myself included) dont care about skins.

[spice bramble]

I just wanted to say that

[safe moat]

Im gonna shoot you

[nimble bridge]

[spice bramble]

He's great at trolling

Gotta give him that

He always contradicts what I say, I'm starting to like him lol

[nimble bridge]

BF4 had nice amounts of skins

You can unlock with playing

[humble loom]

As far as skins i think a tool to create them and share them for in game currency also..pre made packs by the devs

[spice bramble]

Those were decent

[plain bluff]

did it at least have 4skins

[nimble bridge]

Those were mostly camo based

[spice bramble]

4skins

Guns dont have a 4skin

[plain bluff]

4 tone skin

[spice bramble]

I get you

[safe moat]

I mean, while I would be down for it….. well it also opens up the road for not so wanted content

[vague barn]

I'm in a similar non-identical seat. While I would like to have customization of aesthetic components, skins (i.e. retextures) I do not care for nearly as much. So long as there's no purple or neon glowing weapons, I'm likely to be fine with it.

[humble loom]

Yes but the audience are adults are they not ?

[vague barn]

I wouldn't have them as part of the ordinary weapon "progression", i.e. mixed in with attachment unlocks though, but as a separate chain.

[spice bramble]

Senior citizens nowadays ( I know, adults)

[nimble bridge]

There should be T5-T4-T3-T2 and T1 skins imo

[safe moat]

While it is true, there will be kids attracted to the game. And well some of these kids would make some controversial skins

[nimble bridge]

All different from each other

[plain bluff]

tiered skins are such a meme. whats the point? a bottom tier skin could look a trillion times better than a top tier skin simply because of personal tastes

whats the point of tiering skins

[humble loom]

All I'm saying is grand tourismo did it.. right there's always controversy just set a report feature and it gets removed.

[tepid plinth]

Money

[spice bramble]

If creating skins was as unrestricted as creating emblems

It could be problematic

[tepid plinth]

Speaking of, I find it so funny when people come in here asking whether it’s worth it to buy a certain skin that’s on offer

[plain bluff]

it was a rethorical question, but it still makes me wonder how tf that generates revenue

[spice bramble]

Tier skins don't generate shit

[nimble bridge]

You grind a weapon and you unlock more skins for it, that's the point, people still play CoD because they want to unlock dark matter or nebula or whatever, constant dopamine hits keeps players engaged

[humble loom]

You're right ..it just sounds good.

[spice bramble]

They only added it so people progress towards smething in 2042

[tepid plinth]

It’s just the first thing that came to mind devoid of any critical reasoning

[feral garden]

Levels wise. I hope they keep the 999 levels after lvl 100. But I hope they make them not just 999 levels with an S designations. Ive rarely been hyped to gain an S level since I first reached those levels.

[nimble bridge]

2042's progression is barbeones

[spice bramble]

It is, thats why tiers exist

[plain bluff]

god i miss the old days. days when people set out their own goals unencumbered by comittal features like skins and whatnot

[humble loom]

Honestly though a team structure would really benifit the game .. I feel there's a loss of strategy within the teams...it's really bad in 2042.

[nimble bridge]

You could unlock mint and golden skins for BFV which looked good, but progression became worse after BF4 I think, you could unlock tons of skins in BF4 for each gun

[spice bramble]

There wasn't that much strategy unless you were on call with someone

I can't remember people not lone wolfing

[vague barn]

Skins/aesthetic components should be unlocked through a separate progression chain than functional components like optics or foregrips. Ideally, skins/aesthetic components would be unlocked via just getting kills with the weapon system, whereas functional components would be the challenges with certain criteria that the player works for, driving the kill count up and thereby unlocking aesthetic items "unintentionally" almost.

[feral garden]

New concept.

Each weapon tier gives you X weapon parts. you use weapon parts to unlock attachments/skins for that weapon at your own convenience.

[plain bluff]

@humble loom read through that string of messages. for context, i was thinking of how BC2 and BF2 felt

[spice bramble]

Interesting

[nimble bridge]

It shouldn't take 1200 kills then, max 300 kills to fully unlock a gun

[vague barn]

That's a good idea, to be honest, but I wouldn't put skins/aesthetic components in that system. Edited as I missed the inclusion of skins in the original post.

[feral garden]

the choice is up to you.

[humble loom]

That's just it In Mag you had the platoon leader commander squads, and they could communicate and then the squad leaders could hear them it gave structure..objectives you'd hilight a area say attack from there, and people would stop dying in the middle they would take less grounds of confrontation to the battle.

[feral garden]

Do you want a 4x...or a red dot. A supressor or a heavy barrel?

[nimble bridge]

People will choose attachments because they have a direct gameplay effect if it takes 1200 kills like 2042

[humble loom]

Also there were 3 factions or armies now I don't think you could just have players choose teams because some would really suffer.

[plain trout]

Do you really think that when you enter the CPT you will be able to tell what someone should do?

When was the game already created?

[vague barn]

Just leaaaaaaaaaaaaaave it.

[vague barn]

I think this idea for functional attachments would be cool, but a more traditional kill count for aesthetic items.

[feral garden]

CPT sessions will be directed.

[plain bluff]

i think he's missing a page in the story he's reading

[safe moat]

So its kinda similar to how Hardline did it but the “currency” is earned but unlocking milestones instead of just doing objectives

Cool idea

[feral garden]

Like a mix of that, and how Helldivers 2 does unlocks

[nimble bridge]

We need Helldivers 2 style BPs

[vague barn]

I never played Helldivers 2 😭

[nimble bridge]

Me neither but BTs don't expire

So you can unlock them any time

[feral garden]

You should, its very fun

[safe moat]

I would be down for that system, would be fresh air for Battlefield

[vague barn]

I know they have a team-operated recoilless rifle, that looked cool.

[safe moat]

I got bored in it. Dont get me wrong its a good game but after some time it got repetitive. Maybe because its the curse of co op shooters

[humble loom]

@plain bluff I didn't play bf2 but we did migrate from mag to bf3 my whole clan there were 256 people or more because we filled out a entire game on the server with our people all coordinated like I said it was easy because in the group or party settings in the game it allowed it.

[plain bluff]

considering the setting, where NATO and a coherent PMC organisation exist, its plausible to say some sort of breakdown of supply chains happened.

i can definitely see a "merit" point system existing thats a function of PTFO points gained through a match, which you redeem for gadgets, weapons and other things

[feral garden]

They have a few weapoins that can be solo, or team operated.

[heady thorn]

[vague barn]

Pretty cool that they are team operated imo, not a lot of games do it that way.

[vague barn]

Honestly I think BSoD hit the nail pretty much on its head with the the weapon tier-point system for unlocking what you want. My only reservation would be involving aesthetic components/skins in that system.

[plain bluff]

just tie it to the weapon itself and be done with it

though i guess trinkets and other unique customisation options for guns could be acquired seperately and be fit onto any gun

like foliage, tape

inscriptions

oh man id like custom inscriptions

you played bf1? the selbstlader 1905 or whatever? the luger rifle

[vague barn]

Yeah, I expect a lot of AR platform rifles in this game so stuff like different stocks, handguards, pistol grips etc would make sense to be transferable between firearms, as opposed to limited to just a single one.

[vague barn]

I haven't played BF1 but I am nerdy enough to know about the Selbstlader from other sources.

[plain trout]

You understand that apart from the two of you imposing your vision on everyone here, there will be many people in the CPT who have a different opinion and will outvote you?

[plain bluff]

your emblem would get etched into the action of the gun. i had a lenny face that'd flash me each time i fired the weapon

[vague barn]

Huh, interesting. That's quite a quirk.

[plain bluff]

there arent votes, man. they're feedback sessions

it was quite hilarious

[vague barn]

I'm headed to sleep anyways.

Enjoy your mornings/afternoons/evenings/nights.

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[half halo]

Secret discord channel here I come!

[past crown]

Some people got one invite yet for the battlefield labs testing ?

[wispy dagger]

It’s not known

[feral garden]

As far as we know. Invites have not started going out.

[half halo]

I don't think so. If it's like BF2042, we will see a bunch of people posting their invites on X/Bsky lol

I'm still quite amazed by this whole idea. I mean, that is certainly a good thing to do such playtesting, but the risk of anything being leaked is HUGE! Because some people are idiots who would trade their mothers for 15 minutes of fame, it would be incredible if nothing leaks on Youtube, dailymotion, X, etc.

[wispy dagger]

They know it’s going to leak

It’s free advertising

They must be somewhat confident though knowing people will leak footage

[half halo]

Well they have the big end of the stick: If the quality is poor, they can say it's an old build and if the quality is ok or good, like you said, it's free marketing at this point

[feral garden]

Wont happen under Sirland IMO

[wispy dagger]

What won’t happen

[feral garden]

Excuses, or rationals for X issue in playtests.

[tepid plinth]

fully expect things to release in a day

[feral garden]

Historically, and even with recent issues...he always just took feedback, and tried to get things fixed without excuses

[wispy dagger]

Agreed. Definitely think he’s pushing transparency to get the trust back

[tepid plinth]

would be so cool to be able to participate in something like this

[feral garden]

Even if I dont get access, ill watch on with interest

[covert nest]

Pre release will break relatively easy so don't be surprised if anything catastrophic happens hah

[wispy dagger]

I really know. I’m hoping I’m lucky enough to get the opportunity

[feral garden]

"My game crashes when I crouch"

[covert nest]

Not even being a downer it's literally the nature of them.

But yeah it'll most likely be a little more cleaned up than they are internally.

[tepid plinth]

my one hope is that people actually do it properly and don't just treat it as a free demo

but there's always that thing everyone faces where we want the next game to be fun for us, so not having the chance to be involved in the same way has it feeling a lot more up in the air

[covert nest]

Their data in game (where they move to, etc) will be collected so it's not a total loss.

[tepid plinth]

yeah that by itself will definitely be useful

[covert nest]

They'll probably push for surveys too.

[tepid plinth]

it sounds harsh but i just don't trust some people given how feedback has been dealt out in the past

people turning to death threats and so forth

[covert nest]

Oh yeah I agree.

[tepid plinth]

that stuff is inexcusable, but people just struggle to see other peoples perspectives

[feral garden]

Back in the start/middle of 2042. Several DICE devs would join clan events and voice channels we played in and listen to feedback. Stuff like recharge speed on gadgets (Ammo boxes, meds, ETC), the appearance/duration of smoke, movement speed, ETC.

[tepid plinth]

yeah I remember that

also when vanta would just probe us for ideas in text chats

[covert nest]

My favourite part was when katilio called someone bad.

[tepid plinth]

damn I think I remember that too

[feral garden]

2042 also gave them a good idea of what not to do/what doesnt work. For all its failings...that is one silver lining

[covert nest]

It was someone who was complaining about the m16 which was so fucking funny.

Bf5 wasn't perfect but it was a good point of reference on things that worked for 2042.

[limpid sluice]

I applied to the test with my punkbuster banned account. Is that a bad idea? I received a false positive years ago. Is that account now not usable?

[covert nest]

As in oh yeah why would they do this in 2042 when in bf5 it worked just as well.

[feral garden]

I really enjoyed launch BFV TBH.

I got fed up of all the changes tho, and just stopped playing

[covert nest]

8 outta times that's bad if I had to guess.

I enjoyed bf5 but fuck me the one dickhead in the office making things worse for everyone.

[feral garden]

I dont want to relearn every weapon, movement an how surviveable I am every 3/4 months

[tepid plinth]

bfv I just couldn't play due to my specs so i'm somewhat glad I didn't have to go through that

[feral garden]

What I disliked in 5 was how much animation there was for everything. Im fine with animated knockback from explosion...but I dont need a 5-10 second animation for entering a vehicle.

dont get me wrong, the animations looked subperb. They just became annoying

[covert nest]

I personally didn't mind it. I didn't think the vehicle animation was a totally bad inclusion as it made it more difficult to steal and abandon vehicles.

I understand why people disliked it.

[fleet robin]

i liked the enter exit animations

[tepid plinth]

it's just dying when in a state where you have no control over your movements is frustrating

I like how it looks but not how it feels

[covert nest]

The high vaulting and shit were good though.

[tepid plinth]

ledge grab was the stuff

[feral garden]

Yeah. I guess the main issue I had with the animations was I was forced to watch them. Even 2042 has entry animations, you just gain control of the vehicle as you do them. Id be fine with entry/exit animations that need to happen...but where you can still be killed, for example getting into the hatch of a tank.

And for the love of god. Please let the next game show the armor HP of the vehicle that killed me...not the HP of the soldier inside it

[rustic crest]

Well. Some people in the community have sussed out where the map is from the gameplay. Looks like we'll be fighting in Egypt..

[fleet robin]

that would be cool

[wispy dagger]

I think we’ll see maps all over the world with this one

Hopefully an urban or suburban USA 🤞

[vague barn]

US Civil War 2.0 🤞

[wispy dagger]

Uhh nah just be fun like that one mission from CoD back in the day

[fleet robin]

sukhois over the i95