battlefield-labs-discussion

[pallid coral]

there's a reason they're called marksman rifles

[silk vault]

Just making sure DICE knows that

[serene prism]

Here’s a new thing to push for. In the case of tanks and ground vehicles. If they stay in spawn for a certain amount of time and if their kill streaks continue they automatically get pin pointed for the other team.

[pallid coral]

true, tho if marksman rifles had auto firing, it should be like super inaccurate lol

[pulsar parcel]

If a dmr has full auto irl, it should have full auto in the game, but it should have significantly more recoil than a rifle with much smaller caliber

[pallid coral]

i mean there's almost never been a modern gun which was full auto but didn't have a semi-auto version/lock on it, so it would still make sense to have those full auto dmr's hard-locked to semi auto ingame

[vague barn]

That's something that also confused me in 2042. The DM7 irl has a full-auto (at least government/le models) but only gets semi-automatic. The G28 irl has only semi-auto but gets both semi- and full-auto.

[pulsar parcel]

It should also retain handling statistics, leading to a longer ADS time, less accurate hip fire, and lower shoulder fire accuracy

[pulsar parcel]

I really hate it when games do that, like the way Cod gave the AUG burst only the last couple of times

[pallid coral]

if u wanna get real realistic then realistically almost no one should be using auto fire while running and gunning cuz it should only take a bullet to stun someone and a few more to kill them fully

but with this game being arcadey and what not, dice might actually make full auto dmrs again who knows

[vague barn]

That's not my point, my point is that it felt weird to have the select fire rifle be locked to semi and the semi be select fire.

[pallid coral]

i wasn't replying to u 😂

[vague barn]

Ah

[pulsar parcel]

I think recoil should be more intense in the next game and they should use it as a balancing tool

[pallid coral]

lets see how they design the entire game around it

if the ttk is super short then it would make more sense

[pulsar parcel]

It would incentivize better fire control and slower engagements

[pallid coral]

that sounds like a lot of patience required from bf fans

im all for it if they do it tho

[pulsar parcel]

Wouldn't be that big a change for smgs, but would make longer range engagements naturally take longer

And would mean they could beef up the damage of assault rifles compared to smgs because they would be harder to control

[pallid coral]

would finally make it so each weapon has its own role

a lot of smg users when they got used to it started using them for non-close range fights too which the guns irl would not be able to do accurately

[pulsar parcel]

definitely my goal here

[pallid coral]

the biggest issue is snipers

can't really give them a realism touch up or else almost no one will use it

[pulsar parcel]

It would make a stable sniping position more important

Less wiggle sniping

[vague barn]

Out of curiousity, how would you modify snipers?

[pallid coral]

would cause a lot of campers tho

[pallid coral]

make them sway a lot while standing up after a while

those things are fucking heavy 😭

[vague barn]

Sway generally should be increased imo

[pulsar parcel]

I wouldn't make them sway too much, but I would make them lose target picture when shoulder firing

[pallid coral]

bipoding isnt mandatory but you shouldn't be able to just stand and have perfect accuracy either, i think there should be a focus on finding a spot to deploy your gun on a piece of rubble or wall or smth i forgot what its called

like bipoding without a bipod

[pulsar parcel]

The reason I am ok with it is stable firing positions would make them easier to counter snipe

[vague barn]

Weapon resting?

[pallid coral]

idk what the term is 😭

but yeah

[pallid coral]

yeah exactly

no fast head peak sniping too

[pulsar parcel]

yeah

[pallid coral]

idk how they'll do it or if they'll do it

my guess is they wont

[vague barn]

Probably not.

[pulsar parcel]

If you nerf snipers by just stopping them from wiggling back and forth, then stopping for 1/4 second to fire, then resume wiggling, that's all I really want there

[warped lagoon]

just wanted to ask since there was some queue issue i heard the other day

i managed to sign up for Battlefield Labs just minutes before the announcement and it went smoothly, im still fine right? because i dont see any playtest signup anymore on EA's Playtest Portal so I assume it went through just fine

[vague barn]

Weapon inertia affected by weight, barrel lengths, muzzle devices etc would be interesting to see. Make it so you can't easily snap-shoot with a 27" barreled L115A3 with an additional couple inches from a suppressor.

[spice bramble]

theres nothing

[pulsar parcel]

You should be fine

[pallid coral]

website is weird asf, i still see battlefield labs sign up in the "playtest sign ups in progress" section lol

[pulsar parcel]

I would like to see that

[vague barn]

Yeah, shame it probably won't be implemented given that it would require a weight system to be implemented, which afaik it isn't atm.

[pulsar parcel]

They could have the ads be a stat on weapon attachments, then the ads of the weapon as a whole is the sum of the base weapon + all attachments.

[warped lagoon]

I wonder what the title would be, I doubt it will be called "BATTLEFIELD" we had people believe that was the case before and it wasn't

some think it could be Bad Company 3 but i dont think so

[fleet robin]

i'm hoping for just battlefield 6

[pulsar parcel]

Do something similar for sway

[warped lagoon]

could be this time actually

since they are bringing back campaign, I do think its likely the "story elements" that 2042 had will be retconned

[vague barn]

Oh man, they could just discard the 2042 storyline entirely and nothing of value would have been lost.

[pulsar parcel]

I hope they either do that, or have the story be the connecting story between bf4 and 2042. There's a whole global conflict we missed

[warped lagoon]

yup

[fleet robin]

honestly it's not like they did a whole lot with 2042, and that's assuming they continue from 2042. Odds are they might keep it more to modern day, 2020 to 2042

[warped lagoon]

Real ones know they are building towards Hardline 2 (IM JOKING)

[pulsar parcel]

What I really hope is for a setting that isn't the middle east. We've had so many fps where most of the conflict is the middle east + 1 Europe level to say "Look, we're not in the middle east"

[vague barn]

FISH and CHIPS babyyy

[pulsar parcel]

That's what made the original MW2 campaign interesting

[warped lagoon]

A setting that's in forest areas would be sick, like imagine forest areas with guerella type warfare and stuff

[slate steppe]

If they did 2043 just to make up for the whole fiasco of this I will not be surprised

[warped lagoon]

there was a map from BC2 I believe that had that type of aesthetic to it

[vague barn]

Fighting In Someone's House and Causing Havoc In People's Streets. FISH and CHIPS babyyy

[pulsar parcel]

Zavod something in bf4 was good

[vague barn]

I think most maps are going to be desert/arid or semi-arid since that's where shit like war usually happens.

Or, spitballing here, South American cartels 👀

[spice bramble]

Unpuplar opinion but I reaaaally dislike BF4 maps

[pulsar parcel]

From the trailer we got, we're back in the middle east

[warped lagoon]

I hope they learn from Siege of Shanghai and not from Kaleidoscope (one of the worst maps i have seen)

[vague barn]

Fighting in the rain forest.

[spice bramble]

Supposedly there will be a Hollywood map

But all is just speculation

[vague barn]

Speculation, the pastime of the ages.

[feral garden]

Would love to see more maps in modern cities. New York, Paris, ETC.

[warped lagoon]

Dragon Valley must return please 😭

that map is just so amazing

[feral garden]

I always hated Dragon Valley. It was way too big for 64P

[spice bramble]

We need more maps like Grand Bazaar

[vague barn]

Agreed, urban maps and at the risk of repeating myself; FISH & CHIPS babyyy

[spice bramble]

Propaganda BF4 also

[warped lagoon]

And that's why 128 players (not happening cus of 2042 LOL)

[slate steppe]

Has there been any African maps? Not remembering any

[spice bramble]

Not really

Besides BF V

[feral garden]

2042 has..3 maps set in Africa?

[warped lagoon]

2042 has some maps in Africa

[spice bramble]

oh yeah

South Africa

But the maps are designed in a way that you can't really tell

[warped lagoon]

I would love to see Gulf of Oman get a proper remaster, i feel like BF3/BF4's iterations werent really that faithful

it looks unrecognizable to the original

like not even a remake, it just looks like a different map with the name "Gulf of Oman" but not like a remake of BF2's Gulf of Oman

[spice bramble]

It looks similar

[warped lagoon]

not to me, i dont know why

looks way different from BF2's

[spice bramble]

The newer Battlefields obviously had more details

The BF2 version wasn't that detailed so it might just look different to you

[pulsar parcel]

Yeah, the increased detail throws me off sometimes too

[warped lagoon]

yea just doesnt feel like Gulf of Oman ya know

[feral garden]

Depends on the version of it you played. Those maps are smaller in the BF3 console version. If thats what you played.

[warped lagoon]

my first time playing that map was on BF2

[spice bramble]

BF3 Karkand also doesn't really feel like BF2 to me

But thats because BF2 Karkand was all brown and dusty

[warped lagoon]

yea i just hope that if they do remaster them, they keep it more faithful to the originals

[spice bramble]

No but BF3 Karkand was faithful

[warped lagoon]

like add details for sure but keep it similar in design

[warped lagoon]

i meant Gulf of Oman cus that one really feels weird

[spice bramble]

oh

Designs more or less the same but I think they added more buildings

at the backend flags

TBF I wasn't even born when it released but I played a ton against the bots xd

OK I'm watching a video and it looks way different

[warped lagoon]

i mean i was born but extremely young, i played it when i was 7 though against bots too

most of it was against bots LOL

and then i experienced a similar version of it in Battlefield Play4Free

[spice bramble]

I tried BFhub

[pulsar parcel]

Wooo the age of dialup

[spice bramble]

The average age here is like 30

[warped lagoon]

I think Battlefield Play4Free had some modifications

like some extra areas were added i think

to Gulf of Oman

[spice bramble]

Honestly though, I think if they have the option to make a remaster better then why not

Although BF4 Gulf wasn't liked at all

[warped lagoon]

yea

BF4 Gulf of Oman imo was just not faithful to the original

[ancient lark]

Sharqi felt like a shell. Was happy to see it and have destruction.. but it was nothing like the original

[spice bramble]

I just don't want any more Metros

I NEVER understood the appeal

[warped lagoon]

what do you think about Caspian Border

i really have mixed opinions on that one

[ancient lark]

Caspian is a great one.. happy that it was created

[spice bramble]

Caspian Borders fine but a tad bit overrated IMO

[feral garden]

I prefered BF4 Caspian, I also like metro from tiem to time.

[warped lagoon]

I actually only played BF3 Caspian

[pulsar parcel]

BFV metro was the best one. More open with better obj at both ends

[warped lagoon]

actually im wrong, i played BF4's Caspian a few times

but i felt meh about it

just like BF3's one

[spice bramble]

The wall in the middle was different

And autumn season

[warped lagoon]

I don't mind infantry maps, there's an audience there for it

[ancient lark]

It was the weakest of the levelutions 8)

[warped lagoon]

im more of the all out conquest type

[feral garden]

the collapsed tower, and underground facility beneath the hill was great

[warped lagoon]

but i do play the infantry maps when i just wanna get so many kills

[spice bramble]

You could go underwater and inside if I remember correctly

And you could literally get burnt to death

[pulsar parcel]

HC metro 1300 tickets lol. And they always say "FAST XP"

[feral garden]

Yeah, there was in inlet from the lower hill body of water. Between C and D

[warped lagoon]

am I the only one who hated Operation Locker?

[spice bramble]

No, I hate it too

Chokepoint chokepoint chokepoint

[pulsar parcel]

Locker needed more flanking routes

[ancient lark]

They can include those.. just take them out of the Conquest map rotation

[spice bramble]

They should just remaster Pearl Market instead or something

[ancient lark]

That ain't conquest

[feral garden]

Its just Conquest TDM. For players who want a mix of those

[pulsar parcel]

Just let us select the maps we want to matchmake for

[spice bramble]

Why have a matchmaker at all

We need servers

[pulsar parcel]

Then they can use that data to fix bad maps

[ancient lark]

Agree, if they don't have servers.. precisely Gibson

[vague barn]

Ohw ait

[halcyon chasm]

Any updates on invitations ?

[vague barn]

whats the name of the metro/locker from BF2042?

[spice bramble]

Redacted

[feral garden]

Matchmaking is needed for the casual player. But like past games, once you enter a game...you should stay in a map rotation and playlist...with the same lobby of players

[vague barn]

REDACTED, that one, I liked that one. Had enough flanking opportunities.

[spice bramble]

Redacted is somewhat likeable

yes

[warped lagoon]

Dedicated servers yes, i dont want badmin situations again where admins are just being stupid

"You cant use this specific grenade"
"You cant use this weapon"

BF4 admins be like

[ancient lark]

It was.. had enough side passages

[spice bramble]

If we get a mix

[warped lagoon]

EA should have full control of the servers

[pulsar parcel]

Insert BFF badmin episode

[spice bramble]

I need my knife only servers back...

[ancient lark]

Hehe.. I was an admin for a 4 or 5 server group waaaay back in BF2

[spice bramble]

I grinded tf out of knives

[pulsar parcel]

I don't have a problem with restricted servers and servers with other settings. I'm glad portal is hanging around.

[spice bramble]

Ripple should be focusing on portal

Too bad they have a BR in the works

[warped lagoon]

comes to think of it, there's actually some BF4 maps i havent played

[pulsar parcel]

The difference is you don't wait in queue, load for 2 mins, get into game, then halfway through throw 1 grenade and get kicked automatically

[spice bramble]

That was stupid

But mostly on those shitty 24/7 lockers

[warped lagoon]

Hainan Resort, i suck at that map

like im geniunely so bad at that one

[ancient lark]

See.. I love BF.. and I reeealy do like BR (PUBG).. but I wonder what they would be as one???

[spice bramble]

I don't like it either

[warped lagoon]

i get sniped all the time lmao

[spice bramble]

I don't like any base map besides Shanghai

[warped lagoon]

like its so sniper friendly or am i just bad at that map?

[spice bramble]

BF2042 gets flak for having open maps but so did BF4

[warped lagoon]

you could argue that for any map but that one specifically

Shanghai actually had cover

it placed the buildings in correct areas

and had other stuff so that you arent getting sniped the moment you spawn

[wanton igloo]

Snipers are the laziest players and should be deleted from multiplayer games. Give me infantry based battles all day

[warped lagoon]

not saying it didnt happen but it defo reduced the amount of times it happened

[warped lagoon]

They should just make it a skill gap to use snipers

like make snipers more harder to use

[spice bramble]

Not having snipers wouldn't feel right

NOT THE BF1 SUCKERS

[warped lagoon]

yea, a skill gap for it would be good though

[spice bramble]

At most snipers should only get DMRs

At most I mean if they do get something removed

[vague barn]

Overall more sway and increased sight disruption when shooting would do well for sniper balance imo.

[warped lagoon]

actually i think skill ceiling is the right word

[vague barn]

Presuming they aren't bipodded or some such.

[wanton igloo]

Or just have a non sniper option for players that aren’t scared of gunfights.

[warped lagoon]

if only

[ancient lark]

Love it.. I don't like sniping.. too slow and boring

[warped lagoon]

i barely use snipers

only time i did in 2042 was for some event

[ancient lark]

I had to get 75 or 100 EMR kills to unlock the M1.. that was paaaainful

[spice bramble]

BF3 and 4 snipers weren't that annoying though...

[warped lagoon]

i like my LMGs/SMGs

[spice bramble]

I mean occassionaly you'd get hit

[warped lagoon]

i like to hear my gun rapid fire, it actually feels relaxing lol

[vague barn]

I enjoy sniping, I am horrible at it, but I usually play in a sort of medium-range area.

But it does feel a little too controllable when shooting from the shoulder unsupported.

[warped lagoon]

i feel like snipers, with no aggressive skill ceiling, can ruin big maps

[spice bramble]

That only happened for BF1, maybe V

[warped lagoon]

funny enough, i barely get sniped in BF1

[spice bramble]

Lucky you

[warped lagoon]

i guess i just get good lobbies haha

[spice bramble]

Snipers could get an overall nerf but they should have a reduced glare then

[vague barn]

If you'll forgive me for bringing up realism; it's fairly common for sniper rifles to "black out" when shooting unsupported from the shoulder due to the heavy magnification and short eyebox

[spice bramble]

Black out, as in you can't see through the scope?

[vague barn]

Basically losing focus of the target, I can't remember the technical term right now.

[spice bramble]

oh

[pulsar parcel]

yea

[vague barn]

Yes, that black area around the field of view basically fills the optic due to the disruption by recoil.

I can't remember the term, what the fuck

[spice bramble]

Surprised it has a term

You describe it well enough

[vague barn]

It's not really a term for the black area per se

[warped lagoon]

when i was growing up i mostly played BF2/BF2142, then BF4 quite a bit

I love BF2/BF4

REALLY HATED BF3's BLUE, IT WAS WAY TOO BLUE

[vague barn]

it's for the way to reducing it

EYE RELIEF; that's what I meant.

I unironically had to look in a sniper rifle manual to remember it.

[warped lagoon]

There's a BF4 map i remember playing that im trying to remember

had a building in the middle and was a forest area

unless im buggin

im checking the wiki rn to see which one it was

[vague barn]

Zavod 311?

[ancient lark]

Zavod was great

[spice bramble]

Do you just really like guns or were you ever in the army?

[ancient lark]

It is a fun, Rush? map or w/e in 2042

[spice bramble]

If I may ask

[vague barn]

I am a mere civilian who just really likes sniping and ballistics.

[warped lagoon]

OH IT WAS ZAVOD

yea

[spice bramble]

Niice

[warped lagoon]

i never really pay attention to map names that much especially growing up

[spice bramble]

I wish I had an interest of sorts

It bugs me

[vague barn]

I have a hobby of collecting military manuals.

[warped lagoon]

only ones i really remember would always be Gulf of Oman, Dragon Valley and Caspian Border cus i played ALOT of those

[spice bramble]

Unfortunately I don't have anything like that

[vague barn]

Would recommend, learn a lot of really interesting but generally useless shit.

[spice bramble]

I hope I will at some point

[warped lagoon]

Zavod had a really cool layout to it and everything

building design

all of it

hope it returns in the next BF game

[vague barn]

Zavod 311 was fun to me as well. I was glad to see the pseudo-return of a similar themed map in 2042. Unfortunately not as good as Zavod was, but it was a decent attempt.

[warped lagoon]

they had something similar in 2042?

[spice bramble]

Reclaimed

[vague barn]

Yeah it was called Reclaimed

[vague berry]

BF4 is arguably the best battlefield ever made

[warped lagoon]

well I thought Reclaimed was actually a remake of a BF3 map?

i remember hearing that

[spice bramble]

nope

[warped lagoon]

didnt play BF3 that much at all

so i just took it at face value

[spice bramble]

Inspiration was zavod but looks nothing like it

[pulsar parcel]

Big fan of 2142

[warped lagoon]

oh damn

[spice bramble]

I really enjoy the newer BF2042 maps though not gonna lie

[warped lagoon]

im stupid for believing whoever said it was a remake of a BF3 map lol

i had no idea cus i barely played BF3 due to the amount of blue in that game

[ancient lark]

That's true.. the original had a full underground tunnel system in the missle buildings

[pulsar parcel]

You're not stupid. You just trust people to check things

[vague barn]

I'm blue dabadeedabaday

[spice bramble]

The great blue needs to return

[warped lagoon]

NOOOOOO 😭

[spice bramble]

It unironically made BF3 feel more cinematic

[warped lagoon]

UI was blue, atmosphere was blue, environment was blue, what was DICE thinking 😭

[spice bramble]

But today it wouldn't work at all

[pulsar parcel]

If BF6 isn't as good as we hope, the great blue may return

[warped lagoon]

I like how BF4 took BF3 and matured it imo

[pulsar parcel]

The great blue balls

[spice bramble]

I never understood what blue balling means

[pulsar parcel]

I wish I got to play a full size game of Midway in the OG 1942

[warped lagoon]

it was some BF youtuber, cant remember which one but they insisted it was remake of a BF3 map and i was like "woah, BF3 map remade" cus i never played BF3 that much so i wouldnt know 🤣

[spice bramble]

I even played BF1942 but barellyyy remember it

[pulsar parcel]

Full size midway had 2 full fleets of driveable ships including destroyers, a sub, a battleship, and a carrier on each side

May have been a cruiser as well

[warped lagoon]

Orbital design was criminal imo, that open area in the middle like bro

[pulsar parcel]

From bf4, I miss the Semi Active AAMs on jets. Those were horrifically rude

[warped lagoon]

i remember when jets in BF used to be extremely fast and required a lot of learning

[pulsar parcel]

You go for the initial merge, fire off both missiles early, then get a lock when they approach the enemy plane

[spice bramble]

The n reworked orbital is one of the better maps

[pulsar parcel]

Unless they preflared, they just died

[spice bramble]

And BF3 jets are prostate cancer straight up

[warped lagoon]

do you guys want the weather system to return?

i feel like they were actually fun in 2042

i would unironically go up to a tornado lmao

just so i can fly

[spice bramble]

Not tornados just dynamic weather

[pulsar parcel]

They were ok later in 2042, but the way tornadoes worked early was kinda obnoxious

[spice bramble]

from sun to rain

[fleet robin]

weather was cool but the tornado honestly was just an annoying gimmick

[warped lagoon]

yea i defo want rain to return

[fleet robin]

maybe lightning strikes at most

1 in 1000 chance of instant death

[pulsar parcel]

Lightning strikes would be a funny way to punish camping snipers

Hold that big metal tube at the highest point of the map and see where that gets you in a lightning storm

[warped lagoon]

I barely played the Bad Company games but i did experience a few of the maps

one of them was actually remastered and put in 2042's portal mode i believe

[pulsar parcel]

I didn't have online in those days. The BC campaign was the best singleplayer in a BF game tho

Just for the characters

[ancient lark]

Yeah, I enjoyed Arica Harbor and Valparaiso (sp) in some of the modes

[warped lagoon]

camping in a area as a sniper for a longer and longer amount of time will increase the likeliness of a lightning strike would be funny lmao

[pulsar parcel]

Fuckin Cod started kicking you if you didn't move enough, but then had maps with excellent small sniping spots

Like in a tower crane

[warped lagoon]

yea something that could force snipers to move every now and then would be nice

although i always take a mental note when a sniper snipes me

cus 75% of the time they are still there

[pulsar parcel]

Honestly, instead of encouraging snipers to move, encourage them to stay still, then you get counter sniping

Eventually, they're all off playing their own game and leave the rest of the players alone

[warped lagoon]

This was the BC2 map that played in 2042

Valparaiso, i mostly played the desert maps of BC2 when that game was active but that map i played for the first time in 2042

[warped lagoon]

true

[stark leaf]

Do you guys think we might see Portal coming back?

[undone crypt]

i think they said it would

[fleet robin]

i hope not

[ancient lark]

I... never used it

[stark leaf]

I ve seen somewhere on YT that it might comeback dunno if rumours are true

[pulsar parcel]

Apparently they have already confirmed it according to Jackfrags according to CadWoman

[spice bramble]

I think they should just add the portal stuff to normal MP

[pulsar parcel]

Honestly, The other way around. Matchmaking should matchmake into portal servers that use default settings, like the featured portal modes

[spice bramble]

True Im talking out of my ass

[pulsar parcel]

Portal gave them some great behind the scenes tools for pushing balance changes and building game modes

[spice bramble]

but imagine what a bummer it would be if they remade karkand and made it portal only

[pulsar parcel]

100%

It needs to be integrated

[undone crypt]

entirely probably

[stark leaf]

I still think Portal had or have full potential to become awesome

[spice bramble]

it did

[pulsar parcel]

Apparently, they spent most of the last year working on Portal 2.0 instead of updating 2042 portal. What that will give them in terms of capability, I'm looking forward to finding out

[stark leaf]

Portal is really powerful tool if u know how to handle it, how to make it good. This last portal lacked Breaktrough mode so badly...

[spice bramble]

whered you hear this?

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-all-made-up-dr-phil-mcgraw-adam-ray-is-dr-phil-unleashed-it's-fabricated-netflix-gif-14415398197054760696

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[wispy dagger]

Hopefully along with private run community servers

[jovial raven]

I just thought of something, what could Battlefield do to innovate now? We're all focused on what a perfect Battlefield could be by bringing up suggestions of what features get to stick and which don't, but after all that, what will BF'25 get to be on its own?

Obviously, the suggestions to correct the gameplay from the last are good, but what can they do that's new for the franchise that doesn't overtly change the whole list of the series?

Map creation? New classes with new functions like building paths, fortifications, and more?

[feral garden]

It doesnt really need to do anythign new to be a great game.

Like literally if they gave players a copy/pasted BF4...with updated engine, graphics and animations...with some minor modernization of gunplay/movement...it would be a hit.

[nimble bridge]

Gunsmithing encourages that too

Only solution is CS way, no attachments

[feral garden]

Im not saying they will, or should do that. But what the next game needs to do is offer a serious improvement to the types of battles. BF4 has a great mix of land, sea and air combat.

I always loved in BF4 how areas of maps could be separated by large bodies of water...but naval combat was able to happen in those area. This kinda got diluted in BF1 (Due to naval combat in WW1), diluted again in BFV (Outside of pacific)...then was non existent in BF 2042.

[wispy dagger]

I was talking about this last night

I was suggesting sub objectives that could be ignored but if completed would give your squad or team a bonus

Like capture and hold a specific flag, with an enemy squad given the same sub objective

Or pick up “intel” at a location and return it to base, with an enemy squad given the objective of stopping you

[nimble bridge]

Tryhards prefers gunsmithing because they can minmax from youtube videos instead

[wispy dagger]

Securing an “ammo dump” would allow your team access to spawning in with full ammo

Stuff like that

[warped lagoon]

I hope they port some Battlefield Hardline maps over though, imagine Everglades with all out conquest

[minor linden]

Eh, new classes wouldn't be a good idea. Map creation for "portal 2.0" would be cool tho.

[nimble bridge]

You can swap seats in the blink of an eye but attachments oh no, the horror

[minor linden]

One has an actual effect on gameplay and balance while the other is just a slight lack of realism

[nimble bridge]

Look at the video I posted on clips channel

[fleet robin]

i'm also a supporter of animations for entering/exiting and swapping seats

[nimble bridge]

Please no

One thing I like about 2042's gunplay, it's buttery smooth, no visual recoil crap, no needless aim sway, no needless ADS clunkiness

[minor linden]

Iirc didn't bf1 have this?

[fleet robin]

yes

[nimble bridge]

I want a new meat grinder map + another remake of metro Underground is used so they should go with just ''subsurface'' if they want to continue artsy 2042 names

[mossy marten]

y'all forgetting the best infy map, museum

[pallid coral]

I hope not

I don't want a shallow copy with address sprinkles

[wispy dagger]

Agreed. He’s not wrong though and if that’s all we end up with I’ll be ok with it, but I’m hoping for something more.

[jovial raven]

I think we all know that from what happened last time, but there has to atleast be something that it can bring to the table outside of just being a step back.

[rocky dune]

i just wanna build hesco's in game, i really liked fortifications

[rugged crag]

Hello everyone i wanna know all your personal thoughts on what you would like the campaign and multiplayer feel like for me

I hope the campaign are like the older more gritty and dark campaigns like early 2000s where war wasn't glorified from that era to today my favourite all time campaign is call of duty world at war but lets be honest no one will make a game like that again now

For multiplayer i hope it has a mix of battlefield 3 boots on the ground, battlefield 4 boats and land vehicles, and battlefield 1 planes, but i wouldn't mind battlefield 5s builds for bridges and walls so the maps dont end up flattened

[wispy dagger]

I do hope fortifications make a come back

[rugged crag]

Also campaign does not have a online requirement and you can play it ofline

[heady trail]

dude fortifications was underrated

i feel like they can expand it with base building mechanics if they want to

[pallid eagle]

Battlefield 5's mechanics were awesome, the best yet. Talking movement, fortifications, gunplay, squad mechanics. All of it

The only problem is that the the game modes and maps didn't deliver.

It'll be a tragedy if DICE goes more BF4/3 mechanics over BF5

[wispy dagger]

Agreed

[heady trail]

i remember the pacific maps being amazing

[lost gale]

I was just playing on pacific Storm, a t34 calliope shot me out of the air when I was flying my Zero... 😂

Insane

[maiden moon]

How's anyone know date Play test started

[lost gale]

I assume they're just guessing - what we know for sure is that it's gonna be within the next couple of weeks.
Let that be 2 or 3 maybe

There have been so many people lying and troling that they already got access, that I don't believe ANYTHING anymore I don't hear from an official.

People are just trying to get attention and show off that they got picked

[pallid coral]

EA is a huge company it could be other Playtest

[lost gale]

That as well

[pallid coral]

Probably breaking that NDA too

[lost gale]

Every person that said they got access before would have already broken the NDA - so they're either all stupid or troling 😂🫠

[pallid coral]

Both

[vague barn]

Good morning

[lost gale]

Morning mate

[pallid coral]

I mean the admins said they haven't started giving out emails yet

If you can't trust that idk why your here

[lost gale]

Exactly

[pallid coral]

Morning

[tropic trout]

People don't care about NDA nowadays, they just sign it and still share it..

[pallid coral]

Yeah :/

[tropic trout]

Then wonder why they got removed

[pallid coral]

There's a reason it's there lol

[lost gale]

And get banned for it

[pallid coral]

Makes space for potentially one of us so hey

Benefits me

[lost gale]

This

[vague barn]

And then use the "I didn't know" defence.

[tropic trout]

I remember BFV & BF2042 players being removed live for streaming or sharing it on YouTube/Twitch

[tropic trout]

[vague barn]

Gotta get them clicks bby

[pallid coral]

How do you not know

Many games even use images if you're illiterate

[vague barn]

I would wager most of them do know, just try to get away with it by claiming ignorance.

[pallid coral]

Lol

That's dumb

[tropic trout]

People just don't read

[pallid coral]

It's been 9 days huh. Hope they start soon

[vague barn]

Idk about anyone else but pretty much anything I put my signature on I tend to study quite extensively in order to make sure I am not consenting to having my entire family relocated to a concentration camp on Mars.

[pallid coral]

I wanna go to Mars

[vague barn]

If it's just a tickbox, I don't mind, but putting my name on stuff is a pretty major thing.

[pallid coral]

I don't think most people have signed a proper nda, most of these online ndas are dumbed down into one page

[vague barn]

I signed a couple NDAs in the past at around 4-5 pages each.

[pallid coral]

What did they say

[vague barn]

For the most part just the regular stipulations of "don't tell anyone what you see or do" "don't share with anyone" "we'll take legal action if you break this NDA", shit like that, but in corporate speak.

[pallid coral]

I won't believe you, DM that NDA to me

Almost gotem >:} jk I'm just playin

Thanks for the insight tho 👀

[vague barn]

Anything for a raccoon, my friend

[pallid coral]

[vague barn]

Also the usual "don't try and reverse engineer this"

[pallid coral]

Oh 😂

[lost gale]

You know what just crossed my mind - skins.
I really hope they Stick to realistic ones and don't go crazy as usually...

I don't wanna end up with Nicki minaj

[vague barn]

Agreed.

[lost gale]

Heheh, chinese engineering go reee

[lost gale]

I'll DM you an idea

[pallid coral]

Nah in bf labs I wanna see Miku beaming literally godzilla

If I don't see that I'm not pre ordering

[vague barn]

I had/have a friend, German dude in fact, who had a raccoon as his personal mascot. Dude really liked reconnaissance so he adopted the raccoon as a mascot since they sound similar; raccoon, recon.

[lost gale]

Interesting

[pallid coral]

What if I told u I did the same

(I didn't)

[vague barn]

I would be mighty surprised.

[pallid coral]

Idk why I'm a raccoon or why it's been my pfp for the last 6+ years

Lost history

[vague barn]

I have a Lynx as my pfp and namesake since, and this is hella complicated and weird; I also really like reconnaissance and the closest reconnaissance platoon to me geographically has a Lynx as their unit insignia.

In fact, they have literally my current pfp as part of their insignia.

[pallid coral]

That's really meaningful

[vague barn]

I guess?

[lost gale]

You could use the IFV Lynx from Rheinmetall 😅

[vague barn]

lmao nah

CV90 or nothing dude

[lost gale]

I personally like our Marder and the Puma quite a lot.

[vague barn]

SPEAKING OF WHICH

CV90 platform for next BF game, pls

[lost gale]

Although I'm only trained on the Leopard 2 as a tanker

[lost gale]

Why not

[vague barn]

I'm only trained on mouse and keyboard as a qualified internet stranger.

[lost gale]

That's me as well tho heh

But firing that 120mm is pretty fucking insane

[vague barn]

Honestly the CV90 is like the ultimate armored fighting vehicle platform, that thing can be adapted to so many different mission profiles and preferences.

[lost gale]

Couldn't stop smiling for the whole exercise

[lost gale]

That's basically the IFV equivalent of our GTK Boxer IFV (on wheels)
We actually classify that one as "TPZ" (Transport tank) not SPZ (IFV)

But it can be adjusted to ANYTHING

[vague barn]

Thing can fit a 30mm, 35mm, 40mm, 105mm, 120mm, mortars, RCWS, Spike ATGMs, Akeron MP ATGMs. Can be adjusted to engineering, forward observer, NBC, pioneering, maintenance, armored recovery, command post, and probably like 20 more I am missing.

[vague barn]

I kinda don't like the Boxer, it looks so ugly.

[lost gale]

Yeah 😂.

I mean I personally prefer specialized vehicles over those Allrounder ones, but it can't be wrong having one or two of those Allrounders in your army as well

[vague barn]

I do like the SPZ abbreviation; Spähpanzer.

Or Schützenpanzer for that matter.

[lost gale]

Debatable.
There are more beautiful ones for sure tho

[lost gale]

Schützenpanzer is the right one.

Spähpanzer would be SpPz

With double p

But right now we only have a Spähwagen: The Fennek

[vague barn]

Well, the vehicle is designed to be as cost effective as possible by simplifying maintenance and standardising parts as much as possible.

[vague barn]

I used to play Arma 3 with a Dutch recce NCO, that guy had an almost sexual attachment to the Fennek.

[lost gale]

If you're a military which can't afford to spend gazillions of dollars that's definitely a solution.
Just saying that several different specialized vehicles would be the Ideal solution

[lost gale]

Nice 😏
I had a German recon NCO introduce me to it as well.
It's pretty nice ngl

[vague barn]

Well, the weird thing about the CV90 is that each subvariant is a specialised vehicle, but share parts with each other.

[lost gale]

But nothing for direct enemy contact ofc.
Unless it's just 2 Infantry soldiers

[vague barn]

Yeah, you'd just fire the smoke launchers and GTFO quick.

[lost gale]

That's a good point.

But I personally just like having different vehicles 😅

It's also a question of identity.
Not every choice has to be rational (not even the government choices lol)

[vague barn]

True

I am of course biased because CV90 is Swedish just like myself.

[lost gale]

Exactly same for me😂

[vague barn]

lmao

[honest rampart]

So the beta should start today I guess

[vague barn]

We don't know.

[honest rampart]

Location
Remote, At-Home
US, Canada, UK and Sweden

Session Length
Wednesday, February 12
through
Friday, February 28

seems to fit the critera

[vague barn]

Where's this from?

[honest rampart]

I am signed up for EA playtest since long time ago. Even did a test at their headquarters in stockholm many years ago

[vague barn]

Ah okay

[honest rampart]

they sent out this email last week

never seen a playtest be longer than a couple of days prior to this one

[cedar flax]

Please bring back Platoons, Emblems and the M40A5

[livid pendant]

And the fucking levolutions

Without making a shitty antenna falling of a building

[vague barn]

I wouldn't mind seeing more modern versions of the M40 tbh

Pretty sure we're up to A7 or A8 by now.

[vague barn]

Platoons were nice but a little underdeveloped imo. Emblems were just a plain bad idea, online communities can't be trusted with such tools.

[nimble bridge]

Will we see a new BF teaser in this state of play?

[spice bramble]

We dont knoooe

[vague barn]

I wonder if Battlefield Studios will be sticking to the tradition of having US Marine Corps as the primary BLUFOR faction.

Ideally it'd just be NATO and you could use cosmetics to adapt camouflage to fit individual countries.

[solemn gate]

Too early for SoP don't you think

[vague barn]

SoP?

[solemn gate]

State of Play

[vague barn]

Ah.

[solemn gate]

I forgot to use replying, my bad

[vague barn]

All good.

[manic gate]

Highly unlikely

EA have alot of their marketing deals with MS anyways

[nimble bridge]

Yeah, that's true, 2042 was revealed in an Xbox showcase

[cedar flax]

I mean, you don't have to trust them, the game (battlefield 4) was rated M16+ 🤷 and there's a feature to report Emblems, we need Platoons back

[covert nest]

Custom emblems were cool until unironic disgusting pieces of shit abused the system.

[livid pendant]

nah some of they were funny

[teal dune]

Have Emails already been sent out?

[nimble bridge]

Yes

[pastel root]

What emails?

[nimble bridge]

[pastel root]

@nimble bridge what emails is he on about?

Is this the sad reality that I'm not in the 1st test gameplay

[spice bramble]

No maaails are being sent out

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[tepid plinth]

Don’t feel bad if you aren’t, there was reportedly around 1.5 million signups and they are only doing a couple thousands at a time

[livid pendant]

How many people can playtest the game ?

[tepid plinth]

Judging by their faq, they’ll let in a few thousand then ramp it up to the 10s of later

Needless to say I don’t think they expected this many people lol

[mild girder]

1. The Playtest aint a Beta, its alpha
2. THIS IS NOT BATTLEFIELD

[mild girder]

no

[mild girder]

No lol Those are seperate Playtests

Battlefield isnt the only game EA is working on and testing

[pastel root]

It'll look like battlebit lol

[mild girder]

Thats what Alphas are for

[vague barn]

having suffered through the original alpha and beta stages of Ready or Not, that's not an issue for me.

Blockouts are important for design, not everything has to be final in a playtest, nor should it be.

[waxen path]

Server With 64 players.

Bye

[mild girder]

?

[vague barn]

Bye felicia

[mild girder]

Do we need 128 Players tho?

[pastel root]

Not really

Breakthrough never worked with 128, and the maps for conquest had too many deadspots still with 128

[mild girder]

Cuz they were never meant for Conquest

[vague barn]

128 players was literally just a selling point in my view, none of the maps as far as I can recall were really suited for that player count. I'd rather they return to a more concentrated 64 player scale.

[livid pendant]

Why not 80 players ?

[vague barn]

64 players is tried and tested. I'd say just stick to that, at least for now.

[nimble bridge]

We need 80 in Frontlines or Rush

[minor linden]

Even DICE themselves said back in 2011 that around 40 players was peak. 64 is a good number for recent games tho due to the differences in play styles and speed

[vague barn]

Neato.

[jovial raven]

When is the NDA supposed to kick in exactly? For instance, if you get invited, does the NDA begin from there and you can't say you got invited? Or is it only when the sessions begin that you can't say anything

[vague barn]

It'll say in the NDA document, I recommend you read through it if accepted.

[jovial raven]

I've never done playtests like this since they mostly have you go to their offices or have a PC.

[vague barn]

Based on the cover art (which might not even be official and just something they put together on their own) it does looks like they're keeping to the tradition of having the USMC represented. I spot a M14 DMR and a Mk 18 Mod 1 fitted with L3 Magnifier coupled with an EOTech 552, not sure about the laser module, suppressor looks to me like a KAC 5.56 QDC/CRS-PRT.

[vague barn]

If you get accepted into the playtest you will receive an NDA document to sign prior to receiving access, the NDA will contain details on what you may or may not share. I suggest reading it before telling anyone you get in, if you do get into the playtest.

[wispy dagger]

Emails from EA playtests are confidential themselves

[plain trout]

Why should i not tell anyone i'm in CPT?

[vague barn]

Because the NDA says you shouldn't?

[feral garden]

We dont care what you do. Use your own judgement.

[vague barn]

You do you, champ.

[maiden moon]

Wich Day's play test

[bold crystal]

Within next couple of weeks

[spice bramble]

I hope that it is within LITERALLY a couple of weeks

[feral garden]

Old CTP = Community Testing Program, no NDA

New CTP = Closed Testing Program, has an NDA.

Hopefully this helps sort the confusion.

[spice bramble]

Is it closed only because it's pre-release testing?

Might be a stupid question

[feral garden]

Closed meaning access is invite only, and not accessible to the general public.

[spice bramble]

I know what closed means

But the fact that it is closed stems from the game not being released?

[feral garden]

Public testing at this stage would result in too much feedback also.

[spice bramble]

Makes senes

That's what I wanted to know

[feral garden]

I've run invite only game tests myself. It's best to start with a small group, explain how play tests will work, and how feedback will be asked for. Then once you have all the structure and testing/feedback processes in place and working, invite more and more players.

[tepid plinth]

I really hope that those who get in do so with this expectation. I swear if people don't answer the devs actual questions and just complain about the graphics i'll be livid, and i'm not even in it

[plain trout]

Now you say you took part in tests. So we can or not talk about it, right?

[tepid plinth]

you can't talk about the content of these tests at all

would have loved to have gotten in, but alas chances are slim for everyone

[versed token]

That's not what he's saying though

Language barrier goes hard

[astral topaz]

Bro, it's the worst trait of the gaming community. Barely anyone seems to have any comprehension of how game development works and they just assume everything, at every stage of development, is flawless and works perfectly.
And if their eyes aren't blessed with the beauty of God in the form of graphics then it's the worst game they've ever seen... It's so tiring seeing their half-baked, shit ass opinions

[tepid plinth]

and on the other end of the spectrum, when a game may look pretty but is mechanically inferior to what came before, people treat it as the new bog standard and do away with any form critical analysis

[somber wraith]

Have people already been selected for play tests

[mild girder]

I mean, there is no such thing as too much feedback while developing games lol

Look at Valve atm with Deadlock

[astral topaz]

That's true too, the coping gets a bit excessive at times as well

[mild girder]

There will be many people that will see this playtest as a Beta and will cry about the Graphics, Performance etc.

[vague barn]

There really, really is such a thing as too much feedback.

Keep in mind that stuff needs to be analysed, not just seen and acted on.

[tepid plinth]

I'm just glad i'm the type who can play games from 1997 and find joy from it's composition and overall design rather than avoid it because muhh, low poly

[astral topaz]

Well, they can complain about the performance, as long as it's constructive

[tepid plinth]

knowing how feedback threads have gone in here, the mantra of 'people know what's wrong, but not how to make it better' will most definitely reign true

but i suppose they are expecting that

[somber wraith]

We just need a fun progression system not like 2042 where you unlock everything after playing the game for an hour

[tepid plinth]

not gonna lie, gear progression is at the bottom of my list of things i'd worry about or change

the game only begins once you get everything

[somber wraith]

Idk I enjoyed the bf3/4 system

[tepid plinth]

it's a good system, but i'm just in a position where they can do whatever and i'd be fine with it

[indigo fern]

Where did you see this?

[tepid plinth]

community manager in this chat

[indigo fern]

Got a link to the message?

[spice bramble]

I've seen it too so I can just confirm

[tepid plinth]

think it might have been Hope, will see if I can find it again

here it was #battlefield-labs-discussion message

[safe moat]

I bet you some random guy who got chosen and didnt even pay any notice to what’s said will do this

[tepid plinth]

'game's so cooked, the map doesn't even have any textures!'

I can imagine them putting 'game bad' in the response text box and not doing anything else

[random rampart]

Stop Trolling You playing with my feelings

[safe moat]

“Game’s bad, there are orange blocks on the maps”

[covert nest]

People don't even understand the idea of placeholders.

[safe moat]

People don’t even understand the idea of how game development actually is*

[covert nest]

I think placeholders can be really cool.

[nimble bridge]

People said the same about Wolverine and GTA6 leaks lol

[covert nest]

Talking to a dev has made me realise whatever goes on there are layers and layers of politics and processes.

[tepid plinth]

deadlock is the first time outside of the bf4 cte where I can recall them letting people use untextured, low poly, unfinalised models in testing environments

and I dig it

[nimble bridge]

''Look at this textureless pre alpha game, Insomniac/Rockstar is soo cooked''

[safe moat]

Developing games myself made me me realize how fucking intricate and deep it goes

I haven’t released anything because I am constantly busy fixing the game engine itself

[tepid plinth]

to get anything done you really do have to get all art stuff done right at the end

i see so many dev logs for new indie projects where they have this uncanny model using Mixamo animations, when the time spent tying animations to actions, setting up edge case interactions and getting models layed out would be much better spent on getting actual systems put together

[safe moat]

Yea, because the 95% of the development you use the low poly and placeholder assets

[tepid plinth]

and I really hope deadlock gets people to realise that

[safe moat]

Making a game look pretty is at the end of development

[tepid plinth]

overall art direction can play a role in defining what systems you want to implement, so at least considering the art approach during development is important, but definetly when working solo actually getting assets in there is a low priority

if a game is fun when you control mobile Tictacs, it'll be fun with actual visuals

that's what I live by

[covert nest]

I want to make a terraria mod but I've been just dealing with my own shit.

[safe moat]

Yea, I agree

[covert nest]

I also need a psp dataminer soo

[vague barn]

Flying tic-tacs 👀

[vague barn]

Playstation Portable?

[tepid plinth]

unironically, yeah

[covert nest]

Yes.

[vague barn]

Ah yeaah, that thing was my go to as a kid.

[tepid plinth]

I've just got walking tictacs as ai units with visors to indicate forward direction, it's all you need

[vague barn]

Playing Star Wars: Rogue Squadron or what it was called on the PSP during roadtrips, hell yeah

[safe moat]

Honestly you went more detail

I just do a floating orb with a cone nose

[tepid plinth]

abstract bird

[safe moat]

And use that as placeholder AI texture

[safe moat]

You just triggered a memory segment

[vague barn]

Good or bad?

[tepid plinth]

just entered the animus for a second

[safe moat]

Good

[vague barn]

Good, you're welcome.

I was wrong though, it wasn't Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, I had that game on Nintendo 64 instead. It was Renegade Squadron, or Elite Squadron. I can't remember the name of it.

[stoic hamlet]

IS IT TRUE THE OG EA AND DICE DEVS QUIT!? :(((

[ripe comet]

Unsure if thei quit or got layed off, but many of them yes. As for Battlefield might not necessarily be a negative thing. From my understanding they seems to get what most want out of Battlefield

[nimble bridge]

I hope ex CoD and Titanfall devs will give us a banger movement system

[plain bluff]

*that makes sense for the type of game battlefield is

this

[plain trout]

No. Why I can't say i'm a member of the CPT?. I know what the NDA is, and i signed it, but where does it say that I can't say I'm a CPT member?What can't i say "bro i'm in CPT and i help test the game?" sick thinking...

[plain bluff]

Is it released?

• No.
  is any info about the gameplay available to the public?
• No.
  Do we know anything beyond the general setting and period?
• No.
  Anything about content?
• No.

You are obligated to STFU even if NDA isn't announced yet.

[plain trout]

NO discussing Playtest in public, that's the point there. Not that i can't tell someone that I'm in CPT...

[plain bluff]

you can't even discuss it with anybody but other testers and EA team members

Technically even private exchanges between friends are prohibited

[spice bramble]

Snitches get stitches

[nimble bridge]

If I'm selected for it I will share everything I tested with my irl friends

[plain bluff]

If they can't prove you've leaked information you're good

[plain trout]

You don't understand me. The NDA is valid, but why can't I tell someone I'm a CPT member? member, you know, member? People have some problem that you can't tell someone you're in CPT, you know? Not that you're saying you're testing anything or ever, just that you're in CPT

[plain bluff]

The NDA will tell you exactly what you can and cannot disclose.

Even in the case you become a tester

[spice bramble]

They should read these chats and preemptively disallow some people from being testers

Some opinions are so unhinged

[plain trout]

Ahh. Have you seen the battlefield CPT dogtag? Why can i show it in the game and can't tell people that i'm in CPT?

[plain bluff]

Are you talking about BF4?

[spice bramble]

That's different

[plain trout]

It doesn't matter, people have a problem with someone saying that they are in CPT because they violate the NDA, on what basis?

[plain bluff]

Listen man, having the CPT dogtag is the same as telling them in the face you've previously been in a test environment

Otherwise I seriously don't know what you're trying to get at

[nimble bridge]

We ain't getting in anyways, they will accept like maybe 10K people first, at least 1.5-2M people signed up for it

[minor linden]

If you are a tester, just read the NDA and it’ll tell you what you cannot share. If it says you can’t share it, then you can’t share it. If it says nothing about it, then you can share it

[plain bluff]

such defeatist gibberish shan't read my ears

[brisk bluff]

you allways have two sides on this! people who seriously want to test it and help make it a awesome game! and those who want to see and leak everything. personally they can go both ways, both have merit and repercussions. with sharing everything they might believe people will not be interested. but will be more connected with the community into making the game great. and by not sharing info people will stay interested and curious about the full game when it fully release! so do what ever you want! i signed up so i can help making this game great again! and that we dont get BS CoD or Fortnite

[spice bramble]

I joined primarily to see, but in case my PC can actually run it, which it SHOULD, I'll take it seriously

[minor linden]

Wym? I can’t wait for call of battlenite 2

[nimble bridge]

I hope they will ignore the people who advocates them to remove movement or skill from the game

[spice bramble]

You want Mackay back

they should ignore you

[nimble bridge]

I'm meme'ing about mackay

But someone said ''they should remove jumping'' just yesterday 😂

[spice bramble]

If the movement is similar to any of the older BF games, without 2042, then fine by me

[minor linden]

Movement is good, as long as it isn’t running around at Mach 2

Imo a little slower than bf5 would be best

[nimble bridge]

I'm fine with BFV movement

[mossy marten]

so BFV movement with BF4 air strafes? perfect

[spice bramble]

Dunno if thats good or bad

but hey

[plain bluff]

why are we still discussing this?

[spice bramble]

As long as they mix the best aspects and not the worst

[plain bluff]

do you know what the NDA is?

[hushed hare]

he is clearly looking for attention

[hollow hawk]

BF4 air strafes?

[vague barn]

NON
DISCLOSURE
AGREEMENT

[spice bramble]

qubson

Nie pierdol juz

[plain trout]

Because you still can't answer the simple question why telling someone you're in CPT violates the NDA...

[mossy marten]

No
Driving
Away?

[minor linden]

BfV added some cool mechanics, but also added some bad ones. Crouch running was really cool, but the wall climbing thing really ruined some map layouts

[spice bramble]

You can't tell what violates the NDA without seeing what's actually in the NDA @plain trout

[mossy marten]

yes

[vague barn]

Are you being intentionally daft?

[plain bluff]

Because if there was an actual copy of an NDA available we'd know what they can croak about and not. Have you read it? No? Means you're not in the program and henceforth every single thing said on this topic is invalid

[plain trout]

Are you jealous that I got something from you earlier?

[spice bramble]

You're weird

[plain bluff]

Do we even know if they've already started sifting through applicants and sent invites?

[vague barn]

wat

What did you get from me?

[spice bramble]

Don't think so

Reality check

maybe

[zinc socket]

I just want them to bring back the KH2002 from BF3, it was my main fav

[mild girder]

they dont, keep waiting

[spice bramble]

They'll say when they start sending it out, no?

Or will that be private as well

[brisk bluff]

guys! what the are ya'll blabbing about! lets keep this channel positive! and help them make a great game again! thats what this is for. Not to the debate the NDA. its there and its not going to be change! deal with it! now discuss thing you want to see in the game and what you dont want too see!

[vague barn]

I'd imagine they have started sifting through the sign-ups and are preparing a mailing list so they can send the invites in waves.

[plain trout]

NDA

[spice bramble]

Have you ever considered pursuing a career in motvational speeches

[mossy marten]

There ain't nothing to discuss until playtests are occurring
So this is BF general 2.0

[plain bluff]

Now you get it, smart guy. Though that's one of those things EA/DICE would probably announce.

Like, "Thanks to all the people that signed up."

[mild girder]

"You may not share, publish, disclose, distribute, transmit, post or make available, directly or indirectly, Confidential Information to any third party, until EA publicly releases the product(s) or content you are reviewing. However, you may disclose the existence of the Pre-Release Feedback Program and that you are a member of the Pre-Release Feedback Program."

[mild girder]

You are only allowed you are part of the EA Playtesting Program, not of the Playtest itself

[plain bluff]

now could you please source this information

[mild girder]

Pre-Release Feedback Agreement from EA Directly you also needed to agree while creating a Account for the Playtesting Website

[plain bluff]

haven't most people agreed to that already? i can log into the Battlefield labs and see no playtests are available

[vague barn]

https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/PRFA/US/en/closed/#:~:text=You may not,Release Feedback Program.

[mild girder]

Because you already signed up for Battlefield Labs and any other Playtest that people get invited to, is NOT Battlefield

[plain trout]

Not publications, only the status of a person participating in CPT, CTP member

[mild girder]

Not even that is allowed

[plain trout]

Not the publication of data, only the person taking the CPT status, publishing the data that I received the e-mail is subject to NDA because it is in this e-mail...

[spice bramble]

Why don't you just give it up

You can't disclose that information and that's the end of it

[mild girder]

In every Playtest Email it is written, that sharing details of this Playtest, so even saying you are part of it (which confirms that they are doing it at some point) is not allowed

[lost gale]

Do the people not getting to play test miss out on parts of the game?
(Achievments, special rewards??)

I hope not that would be absolutely unfair

[mild girder]

Lol bro got tilted so much that he didnt bother typing in english

[spice bramble]

A co to za osoba?

[spare zephyr]

I very much doubt it

[plain trout]

NDA

[mild girder]

Worst troll ever

[vague barn]

Given the limited scale of the playtesting, and it being off limits for some players, I would assume no.

[lost gale]

Good

[spice bramble]

No oni po prostu mowia, ze zawartosc tego, co mozesz publicznie powiedziec, znajdzie sie w tym ich mailu. To znaczy, ze jezeli tam bedzie zawarta regula o tym, ze nie mozesz nikomu niczego powiedziec, to po prostu nie no.

[vague barn]

Poland is not yet lost. 🇵🇱

[mild girder]

Ignore him, he is just a troll wanting attention

[spice bramble]

I'm not Polish

Unless ya mean the language itself

[vague barn]

Me neither, I just assume that it is polish you are communicating in.

[plain bluff]

twoja stara zapierdala or something

[vague barn]

ile lat ma toja siostra

[spice bramble]

Nie mam siostre :D

[vague barn]

wstyd

[nimble bridge]

I only know the k word as far as my polish goes

[mild girder]

Wyobraź sobie, że udajesz, że jesteś objęty umową NDA z udziałem CPT

[vague barn]

How is "wstyd" a word? It looks like something that is a result of someone just mashing keys on their keyboard.

[mild girder]

cat walked over keyboard

[spice bramble]

If you know how to pronounce it, it sounds normal

[vague barn]

Fair.

[spice bramble]

In Czech we have the same word, just without the letter w

or v

[vague barn]

Neat.

[mossy marten]

Polska?

[vague barn]

Niemczy

[plain trout]

troll because ?

[mild girder]

Because you are under no NDA about the CTP atm and even if you were, you already broke the NDA by even mentioning it.

[plain bluff]

are you confusing the fact just because you've been given an NDA that you've gotten permission to admit to being under NDA? because the NDA will tell you whether you can mention that to (third parties) or not

[vague barn]

I can neither confirm or deny.

God I love the Glomar response.

[mild girder]

And all Agreements from EA that are public tell you, you are not allowed to tell anything about any playtest

[plain trout]

Do you even know what the conversation was about or you butt in without any reason?

[vague barn]

Mate, having watched you have this conversation over and over again, I would like to ask you if you know what the conversation is about.

[plain trout]

Explain to you?

[vague barn]

No thanks, I don't understand your reasoning nor do I have any interest in trying to do so. If you break NDA that's your own damn fault.

[mild girder]

"Why should i not tell anyone i'm in CPT?" You were talking about something that is forbidden under the Pre-Release Feedback Agreement

You are NEVER allowed to tell that you are in this Playtest

Only when the Game is released you are allowed to or if EA lifts the NDA

[plucky sigil]

You may disclose the existence of the Pre-Release Feedback Program and that you are a member of the Pre-Release Feedback Program.

Supposedly from the NDA. You can say you're in it, you can say it exists. That's as much as you can say.

Which you people would know, if you'd read the damn thing

[mild girder]

You are not: " Please keep in mind that everything related to Electronic Arts Playtesting is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. This means no posting or sharing details of this Playtest, including the content of this email, in person, on social media or anywhere else."

[plucky sigil]

You can't leak the contents of the email which would have the NDA in, but you can say you're in it.

I don't know, because I don't have the email

[mild girder]

Playtests dont have seperates NDAs, the Pre-Release Feedback Agreement IS the NDA

[plucky sigil]

Which if I had the email to read, specifically the part that says "Pre-Release Feedback Agreement" just a few words after that bit you copied, would highlight the bit that you CAN SAY IF YOU'RE IN IT

[mild girder]

This only is allowed for the EA Playtesting Program, so you are allowed you are part of it, but not of any playtest that are going on within it.

I can say i am part of EA Playtesting, but not Battlefield Labs if i get invited

[vague barn]

Language barriers and subjective interpretation wooooo

[plucky sigil]

Well of course, you could say you were in it if you ahd the email. But you'd need the email to read that bit, right?

The bit that says, don't copy this email

[mild girder]

This Agreement is Public lol

[nimble bridge]

We ain't getting selected anyways so who cares? I personally want to see leaks though

[mossy marten]

[plucky sigil]

Bruh

It literally says "content of this email" in that excerpt

[plain trout]

Thank you, I'm asking about this, because for 2 hours they've had a problem with someone writing that he's in CPT

[peak bronze]

[mild girder]

Boy, this is written in every Playtest Email you get, even when you are only getting a notification that there are playtests available

[vague barn]

🍿 I have popcorn seasoning if anyone would like some.

[spice bramble]

How about we forget the whole NDA ordeal :D

Right?

Right...?

[peak bronze]

I will take some, Thanks!!!

[mild girder]

Hopefully no salted ones

[vague barn]

Alright come over

[vague barn]

Nah it's just sourcream and onion flavor, pretty good ngl

[mild girder]

ew

[vague barn]

I wasn't a fan at first either, then I ran out of food except for popcorn and tried it a few more times, turned out to be alright.

[mild girder]

cant wait till your EA Account gets terminated lol

[plucky sigil]

Anyway, ignoring TheHelpMaster because this guy is a hammer short of a full toolbox.

The content of the email that has the Pre-Release Agreement in it cannot be shared, including the Pre-Release agreement.

But inside the Pre-Release agreement, it says you CAN say you're in it, but not disclose any details of being in it other than confirming its existence.

... Or so I've heard. I don't know, because I don't have the email and I'm not releasing information about the content of that email.

[vague barn]

I say we discuss popcorn seasoning flavors instead.

[mild girder]

You probably never even been in a Playtest lol There was NEVER a seperate Agreement that is not public at all

[plain trout]

Why should it be closed?

[vague barn]

I know bacon flavor exists, but I never tried it.

[spice bramble]

You ever eat kabanos?

[mild girder]

for breaching the Agreement

[plucky sigil]

I'm an accessibility tester, I've been in a lot of playtests.

It's my job to set up accessibility equipment

[vague barn]

Ah dude, that was my go-to snack when I had to travel for school.

I'd grab a kabanos at the gas station on my way back home.

[spice bramble]

I'm literally addicted to it

[peak bronze]

Hmm never heard of bacon flavor but that does kind of sound good.

[spice bramble]

This shit's so good

[mild girder]

and yet you still dont know what the agreement allows you to talk about lol

[plucky sigil]

Ignore him, guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

[vague barn]

I used to get it in a baguette and holy badonkers batman was that heavenly.

[vague barn]

I'm tempted to try it ngl

[spice bramble]

This channel is for discussing everything but the labs

I love it

[mild girder]

i mean the NDA is part of Labs

[plain trout]

I know, no one can logically answer this question. It's one thing if you are a CPT member and another if you publish CPT data

[light condor]

They should just rename it to NDA Discussion because that is all I ever see

There isnt even that much public info about labs to talk about lmao

[vague barn]

I'm sure once labs does kick off and the NDA gets dropped, which I'm guessing will happen after a few months, this channel will become a lot more oriented towards labs.

[mild girder]

There is none to be honest

[light condor]

This channel shouldnt exist until it is public

If you asked me

[mild girder]

Fr, no need for it to exist tho

[light condor]

It's just another general

[plain bluff]

that's good, no? people that are active here are (usually) competent

[vague barn]

I mean it is basically bf-general but slightly more focused toward the next title

Operative word; slightly.

[mild girder]

"When are the invites being send"

[plain bluff]

sent*

[mild girder]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

man fuck this embed bs

[light condor]

We cant even talk about invites if we get them so again, after signing up. Thats all the public info that exists

[mild girder]

people will leak so much shit on day one

[vague barn]

wher invite i sign up but no mail come

[light condor]

I expect it big time

[vague barn]

Yeah the leaks are going to be more like taps.

[mild girder]

i still remember the kid livestreaming the BF1 alpha and getting banned from it live

[vague barn]

There'll be a steady stream of them.

[vague barn]

I remember someone streaming Battlefield Hardline some days before release, that was neat.

[mild girder]

Or the Hardline E3 Beta

[light condor]

Tbqh. Making this thing a big secret while also announcing it publicly seems silly to me. Why not just do it like any other EA playtest and only send it to existing EA playtesters. Guess they really needed more playtesters or sumn

[vague barn]

I know devildeathdog was hella angry about that when it happened.

[mild girder]

they wanna create hype which worked

free marketing i guess

[light condor]

Then just make it public at that point. This artificial scarcity shit is getting tired.

[mild girder]

Like what Valve is doing rn

[light condor]

Sorta like that, yeah

[mild girder]

Deadlock Playtest was supposed to be secret, people leaked it and they said fuck it

[balmy hawk]

you're already sharing the content of the email

literally by quoting it

[mild girder]

Found this on the Web

[peak bronze]

Is it normal for the "Battlefield Labs - Register Your Interest" link on EA Playtest site to always show up even if you have already registered?

[light condor]

I assume so

[mild girder]

no, that should not happen

[vague barn]

I don't think so, it went away for me at least.

[mild girder]

Same

[balmy hawk]

I mean the program is public and announced. The rest isnt

[peak bronze]

Hmm weird, I have registered twice to double check and it said it was successful at the end and I would get an email if selected blah blah but it is still there.

[mild girder]

probably just bugged

[vague barn]

Huh, that's odd.

[balmy hawk]

if it says you've registered now its a wait game and also luck to be selected

[light condor]

It's EA shit, you're probably fine

[mild girder]

Ye, like the Text being double lol

[plain trout]

Labs have a separate discord, no one will write here

[vague barn]

🤦‍♂️

[mild girder]

He thinks people wont spill the beans elsewhere

[spice bramble]

labs news and blogs channels exist for a reason

[balmy hawk]

do they?

[spice bramble]

Here people will discuss what was shown in the news and blogs channels

[mild girder]

Yep, Labs Players will have one

[balmy hawk]

is that even in the FAQ?

[spice bramble]

To share feedback directly with the developers of course

[balmy hawk]

totally forgot

[spice bramble]

This is just logic, how else would they give feedback?

Not trying to be rude just sayin;

[balmy hawk]

ever heard of surveys?

[spice bramble]

They can just give a feedback directly

Through Discord threads

[balmy hawk]

they do take that serious if you write actual constructive feedback

just saying

[spice bramble]

Where would the links to the surveys be posted anyway?

[plain bluff]

and interviews

[mild girder]

"For players invited to join Battlefield Labs, they will be able to offer feedback directly and securely to the development teams and with other members of Battlefield Labs in a private Discord channel."

[plain bluff]

so I can rant and tangentify the entire conversation

[balmy hawk]

they usually email it, after a test version

like if you play a closed or open test version of an EA game they tend to send you a survey to fill

[mild girder]

Either that or in a Channel

[balmy hawk]

to bad most ignore it or dont care

[spice bramble]

Well there's going to be a discord so

[mild girder]

Or maybe ingame

[balmy hawk]

I still doubt because leaks will be huge if they want everyone under NDA lol

mostly with videos and images when it comes to bugs and stuff

[spice bramble]

People can leak without a discord server

[balmy hawk]

again if under NDA

[mild girder]

NDAs sadly wont prevent this, people will always leak shit

[mossy marten]

What I'm guessing it will be is a survey of some kind (google docs or other) and a discord server (since having a "Playtester" role in this discord would be quite obvious )

[spice bramble]

The server would be only for the playtesters anyway so

[balmy hawk]

same people who sometime do it and then they get their EA account banned

[mild girder]

Well they are saying "private Discord Channel"

[mild girder]

F to that one Kid streaming the BF1 Closed alpha

[plain trout]

Someone wrote here about a guy on Reddit, apparently he wrote that he had 150 accounts

[balmy hawk]

yikes, imagine that lol

[mild girder]

Ye, Throwaway Accs probably

[mossy marten]

private discord channel and private discord server are two separate things
If they truly mean "discord channel" and a role is given. Those roles will be spam DM'd about tests and leaks lol

[balmy hawk]

will be funny if with 150 accounts he doesnt get an invite

[mild girder]

isnt there a feature in Discord to hide roles?

[balmy hawk]

hide no

but you can add people to channels with their discord name

[spice bramble]

They won't give the playtesters a role on this server

[balmy hawk]

basically access a channel without a role and exclusive to certain people

[plain trout]

separate server, not a channel

[mild girder]

Ye but those channels can also be seen with stuff like Vencord tho (not accessed tho)

[mild girder]

The FAQ says Channel

[mossy marten]

I mean, we'll see
But it will be a private server is my guess (possibly ea playtest server if that exists currently for other EA games)

[balmy hawk]

seen yes, you can read the name of it. Thats just it. You can't do anything else

[spice bramble]

A singular channel would be too chaotic imo

[mild girder]

You can see which Role you need to access those too btw and when the last message was being sent

[balmy hawk]

wont matter, you can't see the contents of the channel itself lol

[mild girder]

ye

[mossy marten]

or they'll create a specific, Battlefield Labs only discord server where invited individuals are invited to that server

[balmy hawk]

Iam pretty sure the channel they're talking about its this one we are using

[spice bramble]

Creating a different server is the only way

Logically

[mild girder]

i dont think it is tho

[spice bramble]

If you needed a specific role to access a channel within this server then you're obviously a tester

[mossy marten]

third party discord clients can force show all the private channels in a discord
can't access them, but people would know it's there

[mild girder]

Because they cant just give Feedback for a NDA Playtest in a public Channel

[balmy hawk]

Iam well aware of it dont worry. You still can't read the content within the channel

[vague barn]

LASAGNA

[mossy marten]

PIZZA

[balmy hawk]

they can literally call it the #duck-lake channel and you still can't read whats going on inside of it

[vague barn]

I have missed you, I think, idk really.

[rough remnant]

cant you link your ea account to discord? think i saw a link to that, from there they could give people who are accepted into the testing a role here on the discord

that let you into a closed channel

[mossy marten]

Let's see if Keven sees this
🍍 🍕

[mild girder]

and then they would expose everyone that is invited and produce chaos

[spice bramble]

Having a role for playtesting would contradict the enitre point of the playtester status remaining anonymousss

[vague barn]

Theoretically, what would people think of having white phosphorus smoke grenades?

[mild girder]

well you cant be 100% anonymous, since when you play the game, it will show a Gamename which will be a Placeholder Name. Others will see that

[versed token]

You can make it so discord doesn't show it at all

[peak bronze]

I was thinking that, Especially on consoles like PS5 which shows the game name you are playing as well.

[mild girder]

not discord

[versed token]

console too im pretty sure

[peak bronze]

Unless they name the test some off the wall thing

[mossy marten]

Operation Firestorm

[mild girder]

Capybara will be the Playtest name, trust me

[spice bramble]

Won't show it unless you have it turned on

[balmy hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bonzi-buddy-look-up-wtf-reading-gif-10133557274644656076

[spice bramble]

I imagine that if they knew about it that they would just tell you turn it off

[mild girder]

They dont, been in a NHL Playtest (its released now so i am allowed to talk about it), which had a placeholder name too. Didnt say anything that you need to turn anything off to keep it hidden.

[spice bramble]

Don't know then

Perhaps they'll change their mind and let us say we're in

[vague barn]

NOOOOO

Don't

You're gonna summon the dude

[tepid plinth]

honestly would rather they block people mentioning being in it so I don't feel bad about not

[mild girder]

fr

[spice bramble]

I believe in FATE