battlefield-labs-discussion

[pallid coral]

Watching FragDempsey and his shinanigans

[alpine rock]

Reforger seems interesting but the only reason I got it was cause a friend gifted me a copy

I wouldn't pay 50 dollars for it

[pallid coral]

Yeah it's a lot of money for half a game

That's gonna be abandoned in less than 1 year from now

[hybrid karma]

No way I got flagged because I used Eggplant Emoji

[fierce blaze]

My only interest in it was because it was getting interest from the community. Once i looked at it a little. Decided. Not worth it. Not sure what people like about it.

[alpine rock]

The modding is also seriously lacking

Which fine, not a big complaint since it's a new game but it has NOTHING compared to Arma 3

RHS got ported over at least which is great but there's still a long way to go

[hoary sinew]

I just want there to be support for hardcore servers at launch. Core mode is painful.

[alpine rock]

One small feature I want is weapon bracing on different surfaces

Like MW19

[mossy marten]

Dice, please don't do this 🙏

[alpine rock]

What's wrong with it?

I think it encourages more tactical and thoughtful gameplay

Particularly when holding objectives and it also gives you more opportunities to utilise cover

[pallid coral]

by bracing you mean like bipoding on surfaces? (without a bipod)

[mossy marten]

mw19 mounting

[pallid coral]

i dont play cod so idk waht that is

[mossy marten]

which promotes more corner ratting than anything else

[mossy marten]

it's basically bipod mounting without a bipod, and can be used on corners as well.

[pallid coral]

ah i see

[alpine rock]

It was kinda useless in MW since that game is run and gun anyway but makes a lot more sense in Battlefield

I want to be able to actually utilise hard cover to return fire and not hide behind a cinderblock wall waiting for my health to regenerate

[pallid coral]

assuming the destruction is somewhat like THE FINALS maybe not as crazy, there'll be a lot of dynamic holes opening up in buildings so then it totally makes sense to have weapon bracing

a good way to prevent camping is suppression (only if done right tho)

[hoary sinew]

Kind of like bipoding without a bipod, but around corners and horizontal surfaces with any gun. Bf already does it for you automatically, but it doesnt reduce recoil like mw19 does

[buoyant fulcrum]

I registered for labs but just curious... do we know when we might get notified for testing or is that still too far out to estimate?

[wispy dagger]

No one knows

[mossy marten]

If you get an email, then you will know. Right now we don't know when they'll start sending invites

[buoyant fulcrum]

@mossy marten Gotcha, thank you!

[twilit pilot]

Anyone else

experiencing the little oopsie's

with signing into playtesting?

[wispy dagger]

Yes

[twilit pilot]

idk why I just randomly check for any playtesting dates

scheduled

but nothin

[bitter rover]

No battlefield ad for the Super Bowl 😎

[pallid coral]

how do u see that

[nimble bridge]

They should bring back BF4 customization, I want single compensator to reduce 25% recoil

I hate gunsmithing, I think it's stupid and I hope it never makes it into the game

Grunt soldiers shouldn't have access to weapons with 10 attachment slots, we ain't playing CoD

Gunsmithing also creates meta issue more than plus system, everyone uses same SMG with same setup on CoD due to how important TTK is, otherwise you are gimping yourself

[radiant comet]

When i try to sign up i just get an error

[pallid coral]

they shouldn't but you gotta realise battlefield games are just fantasized war games at the end

they make you feel like ur at war without all the boring or annoying aspects of war like being a slave to your leader, having to follow orders without questioning, fuck your feelings, you're just a pawn in the war you're not a hero, you always gotta be with a team you can't just solo push it makes no sense, PID'ing soldiers to ensure they're not your team when shooting at them, war prisoners, fixing your injuries manually or having a field medic dedicated to fixing your wounds, sometimes you gotta fight with one limb only, reviving someone being more of a task than just a simple defib, etc.

[nimble bridge]

Well yeah, but gunsmithing is a milisim feature in the first place. People think CoD invented that stuff but it existed in milisims for years. CoD popularized it. Arcade shooters shouldn't have 30 different variables for a single gun. CoD became clunky when they introduced gunsmithing because you need to make those attachments mean something so weapons are slower than ever, has pretty bad sway, has pretty bad ADS speeds, has pretty bad flinch values etc. with attachments those weapons starts to feel good and I dislike that, I think a base gun should feel good from the start otherwise people won't even give a chance to them. People were recommending the visual attachment idea but I am not a fan of that too. People will say what's the point of having visual attachments when they don't effect stats.

[leaden kraken]

I liked the ability to change attachments during a match in 2042, but I preferred the simpler customization in BFBC2 and BF3/4 where there each attachment had a larger effect on your weapon. I would like the ability to screw on/take off a suppressor though

[nimble bridge]

I'm not the biggest fan of plus system but I think it makes it unique among generic gunsmith fps games

I would be fine if next game removed mag types and mag size in favor of ''accessory'' segment from BF4

[leaden kraken]

I think Crysis did live attachments first

[nimble bridge]

Yeah but no one else used it besides Crysis and I think Homefront

[leaden kraken]

If we're getting an actual campaign again, I want the ability to switch between soldiers like in BF2, I don't know why that mechanic isn't in more games

[nimble bridge]

My biggest issue with gunsmithing is the ability to create no recoil weapons and ability to create 60 round mag weapons. It's against the typical arcade shooter balance. If a gun has low recoil it should have low RPM/high TTK. If a gun has more ammo than others in it's class it should have some negatives for it's mag advantage. But in games with gunsmithing(Delta Force for example) you can create no recoil, max muzzle velocity weapons with pretty much any weapon. So all that matters is TTK. Everyone eventually picks the lowest TTK weapon and makes it a no recoil gun with 60 round mag. Selbstlader 1906 in BFV is the perfect example of a balanced high mag weapon imo. It has G43 damage values or similar to that but has awful recoil and awful fire rate. Normally would be an F tier weapon but it has a 26 round mag, more than any of the DMRs in BFV with the ability to mag reload so reloads are also fast, so even if you aren't getting crazy high TTK of other weapons or accuracy of them you will get a spray and pray DMR that surprisingly works.

[steel stirrup]

This for real

When I play 2042 I just don't feel attached to my guns like in BF4 and BF3

[leaden kraken]

AEK-971 with Kobra and grenade launcher had been my go-to in every battlefield since BFBC2

I'd also like to see the Neostead 2000 back

[nimble bridge]

I mained 416 in BF3 too bad it's shit in 2042

M16 is good but it doesn't have T1 skins so I don't want to grind it

[pallid lake]

the first time homefront has been mentioned since 2020

[pallid lake]

my 2 cents on gunsmithing, especially in 2042, is every gun can just turn into a completely different type of gun so its just like "what baseline do you like the most" with p much all of 'em getting enough options to make it so none really have an identity outside of whatever skins they got, or the sounds. t1'd every ar, a few dmrs, and smgs and can say that there's no reason to use any guns outside of the most basic gun aka m5a3, which i think overall sucks as a system

[nimble bridge]

2042 doesn't have the same gunsmithing, gunsmithing is something like Tarkov or CoD's customization. Being able to change barrels, grips, stocks, having lasers on every rail etc.

[pallid lake]

make it more strict on options and the trade-offs otherwise it alll just sucks, so I hope they go back to bf4's customization where it makes improvements but never changes the gun to fill multiple niches at once rather than one extra bit or something. I liked making slug shotguns into really hard to use snipers in bf4, but i wouldn't want to be able to swap from clearing halls to countersniping on the fly with no downsides in the slightest.

[pallid lake]

ooooo i see what you mean now

i thought cods was p similar to 2042s, though I only played launch warzone for like 20 hours or so and don't remember much, so

[nimble bridge]

Nah, in CoD you have like 5-8 attachment slots per weapon. You can make every gun to have 0 recoil, not like it matters because it's CoD so every gun has no recoil anyways.

I agree about BF4 customization being the best though, BF4 had 4 attachment slots with fairly important effect on your weapon. I prefer that over having 8 attachments with minimal impact. You couldn't have extended mags in BF4 too so if a weapon like P90 had a 50 round mag it was a big deal. No one uses PP in BO6 for example because you can have 50 round drum mags on any other SMG. So everyone just uses 50 round drum mags on low TTK guns such as MP5 or Jackal instead.

It's even worse in Delta Force, Enders refuses to make sniper guides because he knows game would be unplayable if he taught people how to build snipers 😂 You don't even have an attachment limit in that game, you can slap on like 10-15 attachments to a gun.

[alpine rock]

The problem with more fleshed out customisation is that it doesn't apply to all guns equally

And Battlefield has A LOT of guns

Take the ability to swap barrel lengths for instance

On something like an HK 416

With a 14.5" barrel you're running what is effectively an assault rifle but if you swap that for a 10.5" barrel, congratulations you've made it a carbine

Which makes the distinction between AR and carbine for classes kinda useless

[leaden kraken]

I thought the same when I played BF4

[nimble bridge]

Yeah I would rather have more clone guns with slight differences than having gunsmith, 416 and M16 for example, clone guns. M16 has higher fire rate, 416 has less spread(if I remember correctly). Fair tradeoff.

Carbines are ARs for people who don't want to play assault.

I don't think carbines should exist in next game

[leaden kraken]

I would prefer less guns that have more clear differences than more guns that overlap each other

[alpine rock]

True I always run carbines on engineer in BF4

Except for when I want to terrorise a lobby with the Val

[alpine rock]

I'm a big proponent of giving players a lot of flexibility in terms of how they want to play

But if you swing too hard in that direction you get like 10 different guns that only differ in aesthetics

Like the ACW-R and MTAR-21 are practically the same fucking gun but with marginally different fire rates and the same range

[leaden kraken]

Because Battlefield is class based, there should be things that force a certain playstyle, but not so restrictive that you're forced into 1 or 2 options per class

[alpine rock]

Yep

As far as customisation goes I'd like to see different options for handguards and stocks

Have them affect ergonomics they same way muzzle devices affect recoil and stability

[leaden kraken]

Something that annoyed me in BFBC2 as much as I love that game was giving Medics LMGs and roping suppressing fire into the only class that can revive. The medic should have less firepower because of the access to instant revives, medkits and smoke grenades. It (hopefully) will force the player to not rush objectives and play more tactically.

[alpine rock]

Another small but nice change would be the addition of LPVOs and variable zoom optics

[nimble bridge]

I want as many guns as BFV in the next game, BFV had 82 weapons total including pistols, some of them were clones and some of them were useless but it had a great variety. BF4 had like 107 weapons if I remember correctly.

[alpine rock]

I like running ACOG on carbines sometimes but the ability to have a 1-4x optic would be really nice

Ground Branch does this really well

[nimble bridge]

Next game should do that too imo. SMG medics shouldn't exist.

[leaden kraken]

imo, Medics should get smgs or shotguns, making them effective only at close range, where they can fend off attackers trying to prevent revives or kill enemies inside a smoke grenade, while still making them vulnerable to medium range guns and snipers

[nimble bridge]

I disagree, medics shouldn't replace assault

2042 is more balanced than BFV due to that imo. Assault is the fragger class. Support(also medic) is good but nowhere near as OP as they were in BFV.

[mossy marten]

I would say 2042 support is stronger than medic in bfv mainly due to being able to self replenish ammo

[nimble bridge]

Ammo isn't as important as 5 smokes and infinite healing

You can pick up enemy weapons or switch to a pistol when you run out of ammo

[mossy marten]

Ammo crates give the smokes as well

[nimble bridge]

Support still has max 4 smokes though in 2042 with underbarrel smoke launcher, assault has like 6 smokes

Replenishing ammo is good too but I think armor + med pen combo is better in survivability

Medic was OP in BF1 and V due to the way how they balanced their guns, Fedorov was better than many assault weapons too

[mossy marten]

Fedorov + Crosshair X + Flanks = farmage

[leaden kraken]

I also think there should be more weight to the player character's movements, if you're carrying an LMG, you should not run as fast as someone with an assault rifle. Or it could be class based, Assault gets a 10% faster sprint by default, etc

[clear viper]

I think Battlefield should move to a 5 class system

Assault, medic, engineer, support, recon.

That way they don't switch out every single game

[leaden kraken]

Agreed

Bad Company 1 had 5 classes

Though Medics and support still got rolled into one

Battlefield 2 had 7

[mossy marten]

4 classes should be the standard. Anymore and it becomes too niche and people won't play certain classes

People already rarely play engi or recon

[clear viper]

Assault — Primary infantry, pave the path.
Medic — Heal, keep the frontlines alive.
Engineer — Repair and demo vehicles.
Support — Provide ammo, surpressive fire. Support the assault.
Recon — Provide intel and engage enemies at a distance.

[clear viper]

4 classes always causes one of the classes to have too many roles

In BF3 and 4 the assault was also the medic

In BF1 and BFV support was also the engineer

[mossy marten]

More classes =/= more people playing certain classes

[mossy marten]

Yes, support was engineer, but not anti vehicle

[leaden kraken]

Fair point but not everyone will play the classes' role properly, even with incentives

[clear viper]

And assault being anti vehicle also cluttered that one too, because no one playing assault wants to hunt tanks as well

[mossy marten]

True, but the option to deter vehicles was available most of the time

[clear viper]

5 classes would help people better communicate their roles and actually be able to pursue their objectives. It removes a lot of clutter and confusion

[mossy marten]

Well it's BF, nobody plays roles properly ever 🤷‍♂️

[nimble bridge]

5 classes is unnecessary imo, they should either copy 3/4 or 2042 class system

Medic shouldn't be a better infantry than assault or assault should be medic

I want BFV's subclass/perk system to return though

[woeful sluice]

I want 5 classes with 5 player squads, I don't like them switching roles of classes every game.

But I don't see that happening tbh

4 classes again it is

[mossy marten]

Seems like it will be basically the same style of classes as 2042
Assault is anti infantry
Support is heals+ammo
Engi is anti vehicle+repairs
Recon is campers or backline flanking

[woeful sluice]

Support having both meds and ammo is a bad idea. How will a teammate know which ome you have or both? That seems to be what they're planning currently but I'd expect them to change it.

If I were to guess they're gonna give meds to assault like 3 and 4.

[still wren]

I'm for that.

[leaden kraken]

Exactly my problem, if I'm bleeding out, and a support is right next to me, I'm expecting a revive assuming it's safe but if they only have ammo and not defib/syringe then I'm straight out of luck.

[still wren]

I'm a support who has defib/syringe and ammo

[mossy marten]

Idk how they're planning it, but it possibly might be defibs will be a locked class gadget that cannot be removed
But who knows 🤷‍♂️

[spice bramble]

I know what we need

specialists 😊

[mossy marten]

insert smack head gif

[still wren]

I like the idea of the BF3/4 style Engineers have ammo, Assault can run medic kits

[mossy marten]

But they might have a locked class gadget like 2042 has currently:
Assault has medpens
Support has defibs
Engi has repair tool
Recon is whatever their's is currently

And then two other gadgets possibly that are locked
I.e. support slot 1 has medic bags/crates or ammo crates/bags and the other slot is some other stuff

[mossy marten]

Support had ammo in bf4*
Engineer was anti vehicle/repairs

[still wren]

Ah it's been awhile

I think it was bad company 2.

[mossy marten]

Assault in bc2 had ammo crates

[still wren]

I'm old

My bad

[mossy marten]

Never played bc2, i just googled

[still wren]

All I remember of bc2 was running around with a Carl Gustav on Africa Harbour shouting "GUSTAV!!" and cackling like a maniac destroying buildings, vehicles, people with the Carl Gustav

[leaden kraken]

Accurate, but don't forget NS2000 with slug rounds

NeoStead 2000 my beloved

[mossy marten]

Y'know. After reading the class roles for BC2, it makes some sense
Assault is anti infy with ammo crates
Medic is medic
Engi is engi
Recon is campers

[still wren]

It worked

[mossy marten]

It splits the conundrum of support being ammo and heals quite well

Prevents assault from.having heals like bf3/4

[leaden kraken]

Still feels weird that medics got 200 round capacity lmgs but it worked

[mossy marten]

I would say change it to SMGs and give lmgs to Engis

[leaden kraken]

That might work, i feel like engineers are the weakest class in every Battlefield game they're in, but separating ammo and heals and giving anti armor to Assault worked in BF1

[vague barn]

This is actually fairly realistic to how some militaries (e.g. Swedish) use machine gunners/combat pioneers.

Basically some units have the SAW gunner also carry explosives for breaching for example.

Obviously they don't exactly run around with blowtorches but

[still wren]

So basically like Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket just with a wrench

[vague barn]

Pretty much

Most Swedish Army units use a double role system for soldiers at the squad level.

E.g. machine gunner and breacher, marksman and combat life saver, rifleman and anti-tank specialist (or mechanic for mechanised units)

Partially because the Army is laughably understaffed, partially because multidisciplinary soldiers is practically never detrimental.

[leaden kraken]

However the classes end up being, they should focus on making the player spec into a specific role on a squad, and make it clear who does what in a squad

[still wren]

Agreed

[vague barn]

Potentially unpopular opinion but I think they should have more than the usual 4 classes in that case.

4 classes is very restrictive, whereas something 5-6 would, in my subjective opinion, be better suited.

[still wren]

Remember, while it may work for you. Gamers are idiots with no nuance and will just cookie cutter classes. That's just extra dev time for nothing.

[vague barn]

I'm aware, but I still think it'd be worthwhile in order to have more distinctive classes.

I think taking some inspiration from Medal of Honor: Warfighter might be a good idea in this arena.

[leaden kraken]

This would be my preference

For a 5 class system

[vague barn]

Yup, looks good to me to be honest.

[worldly turret]

i don't feel like a idiot 🥺

[still wren]

You're not. You're cute

[vague barn]

No, he's Toxic.

Haaaa, see what I did there? Omg so funny (not).

[still wren]

You're cute too

[vague barn]

lmao

[worldly turret]

anyways im going back to one piece

[still wren]

Enjoy bud

[hasty crown]

As long as they're given the best balance of purpose and a lack of overlap, I imagine it wouldn't cause any harm to the series
problem being in some cases if you overspecialize a class, it can feel like a class has nothing to offer really, so in turn you'd want to introduce something to make any sort of class split relevant at least

If I had to guess that was the problem where they merged support and medic because one on their own just didn't over enough for gameplay

though it's been a minute since I've played 2042 so maybe it does have enough content to play around with, idk

[lyric thorn]

One thing I'd like to see, is from hardline. You could go up to any support class on your team and take ammo instead of chasing them around the map spamming I need ammo

Be nice to see dev Friday night servers again.

[nimble bridge]

You have a health or ammo sign on your head in 2042 depending on which box you are carrying

[nimble bridge]

Not in BF3 because they had SMGs

[plain bluff]

Just a gentle reminder to everyone:

The rendezook and other "Battlefield moments" they've "presented" in the BF2042 reveal trailer was a scummy and reductionist attempt to monetize and trivialize what makes Battlefield special. When I saw it, I knew exactly what was coming and I was spared of disappointment. Do not fall for marketing nonesense.

This isn't a message to not preorder, since I don't care what you do with your money. At least have a good reason to do so beyond enjoying the view behind rose-tinted glasses.

[honest rampart]

im pretty sure that if they don't hold an open beta, it will be a big loss

[raven stirrup]

cant seem to sign up for the labs, it keeps giving an error in firefox

[honest rampart]

try chrome?

[honest rampart]

do you get "OOPS!
The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest.?

[plain bluff]

im not sure thats a firefox issue

plenty of people (including me) reported the same problem

[honest rampart]

yeah have the same issue with both browsers

[raven stirrup]

yep, even in Edge it gives that error

[nimble bridge]

Maybe they ended the signups? 🤷

[raven stirrup]

after a few days? that would be messed up

[vague barn]

Afaik it's an issue with the website, not a deliberate closing of signups

[steel torrent]

yes

[pallid coral]

I doubt it, plus if they did I don't think they would allow an error to be placed which would confuse lots of people

Probably something went wrong with the sign up page and they weren't able to fix it before the weekends and now it's probably gonna be sorted out today

[vague barn]

I kinda want PiP telescopic sights in the next game. I.e. magnified optic without the zoom level outside the actual scope tube.

[lean willow]

Ah, I came to see if anyone else was having difficulty signing up too. Glad I'm not the only one

[feral garden]

One glaring issue with PIP sights, is performance. Essentially having to re-render the game when you ADS can be a nightmare. Lots of games use PIP and have this issue...and its hard to know if the effect is worth the cost

[humble tusk]

What? BF3 Engineer has a Carbine. SMG were All Kit weapons

[twin fractal]

Wow, 1.3 million people applied for labs

So DICE definitely has more than enough testers to pool from

My main concern is how many just want to play the next battlefield and how many actually are committed to testing the game and giving feedback

[humble tusk]

CTE had this thing where committed players stayed, while inactive users werenaturely rotated out

[feral garden]

All player activity can help test the game TBH. Lots wont give feedback, but lots equally will

[deft basalt]

It could just be an optional feature, on/off toggle

[feral garden]

I doubt they will want to support 2 completely separate versions of how scopes work. IMO, thats a waste of resources

[twin fractal]

Side note on there, I've seen some pretty clever tricks some devs have used to maintain good performance, one of them I've seen is they only bump the quality of the player model while everything around them stays low res

[deft basalt]

It for sure shouldn't be a priority but later down the line, why not

[feral garden]

Yeah the issue is that youll always have to make compromises to make it work well. I dont really have any issue with how they have done zoomed scopes in the past. So ill stick to my feeling of "Dont fix whats not broken"

[deft basalt]

That's true, currently it works fine. As long as it isn't a black screen around the scope the older games. I'm fine with it

[twin fractal]

There is also fake Pic in Pic where the scope is actually displaying things from an invisible camera similar to how real time camera projections work in game.

[feral garden]

Yeah, ive seen some games use camera projection for things like scope sand weapons themselves.

Some games have a totally separate camera for the weapons and game world, to make weapon animation and world clipping better.

[twin fractal]

The only problem that can run into is instead of being a graphics heavy piece, it's now CPU intensive, and Battlefield already brings CPU's to their knees

[feral garden]

Basically so the weapon is almost being render ontop of the game world 😄

I hope the next game is less crazy on the CPU as 2042 has been. Going back to 64P should help a lot

[pallid coral]

As much as I hate pip scopes for the insane performance drops it gives, I gotta admit it's superior to me compared to 2D scopes because 2D scopes give people with nausea a little dizziness

[nimble bridge]

My bad, BF4 engineer had SMGs(or PDWs, same thing)

[plain bluff]

invite only those who have the bf1942 and bf2 cd keys with respective cases

jk. your chances should honestly depend on your verifiable BF veteran status

sift through the masses

[nimble bridge]

Feedback from BF2 veterans would be like:

• Remove jumping, it's not realistic
• Remove hipfiring, it's not realistic
• Remove sliding, it's not realistic
• Remove strafing, it's not realistic

[pallid coral]

Remove game. It's not realistic

[plain bluff]

sliding is (insert horrific insult) anyway

such movement mechanics are legitimately horrible

[rapid fox]

Yeah it was a great thing

[still wren]

Last time I played BF2 was August 23 2011. That count?

[plain bluff]

right before bf3 launch, i see

[still wren]

Bad Company 2 was Jan 15th 2015

[nimble bridge]

Sliding automatically makes games good

[plain bluff]

now that i think about it, i might reinstall bc2 for project rome

[plain bluff]

makes them slide into the S-tier category

[humble tusk]

Literally just an hour ago seen a guy say "AK not killing people in the head with 1 bullet is stupid"

[humble tusk]

Really was

[versed token]

That guy should just play HC

[nimble bridge]

Might be CS or R6 tourist too

Every gun one taps to the head in R6, AK one taps to the head in CS

[humble tusk]

Probably an HC player who thinks way too highly of himself

Doesn't make him less delusional either way

[ornate silo]

all they need is to make it like bf3 with better graphics and they hit the jackpot

[next cliff]

signup is broken, anyone else getting "OOPS!
The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest."

[daring lantern]

I wouldn’t mind things like tornadoes and other ambient weather events returning as long as they’re implemented in a way that makes sense

On a map like Paracel Storm for example you could have waterspouts that make landfall and destroy buildings but are short lived and have a small diameter

[daring lantern]

Wait like an hour and try again

[next cliff]

i hope the playtesting will be better than the website, hopes are low ngl

[pulsar latch]

[glacial tangle]

What do you guys think would be the best player numbers for each match?
I have played the battlefield bc series and bf3 and i absolutely loved them, but after that i lost interest in the franchise.
A couple days ago i found about bf labs and here i am!
I have played the games on ps3 and i loved the fact that the number of people around was not exaggerated and you could breathe a bit from kill to kill.
As far as they could make a giant map with 100s of soldiers roaming around it would be better to have a more compact experience imo.
Tried DF recently and as far as the game is good, i can't help it, players are just too much

[rugged bolt]

500 players

🤓

Jk

64 is best

If they do 128 again they have to make sure the maps are perfect and not rushed

All now I’m hoping for is multiple factions you can play as for the next game and what they will add to portal. Factions I’ll love to see USA, EU, South Korea and japan VS Russia, PMC/Middle East, Iran, China , North Korea and for portal bring the Soviets and eastern front maps plus Japan and pacific maps from 1942,1943 , add BF1,Bf4, and bf Vietnam,bf2142 and bring the other games they did on portal in 2042 with it and we got ourselves a very good portal.

[safe moat]

Max of 128, which is 64 for each team

Wait did 2042 did max of 64 per team?

God I actually forgot

[vale burrow]

yes

[safe moat]

OK so I remember it wrong

32x32 was Standart Battlefield amounts, right?

Dementia’s kicking in

[vale burrow]

and they clearly couldnt accommodate the maps around it so you'd get vast open areas with more close quarter areas in between at points

felt dreadful to go from point to point

[safe moat]

Yea

[vale burrow]

didnt flow at all especially in breakthrough etc

[safe moat]

Anways, I meant the player counts per server on BF3/4/Hardline/1/5

[vale burrow]

yea

64 max is the sweet spot

[nimble bridge]

I want 80

Frontlines Chaos/XL

[vale burrow]

would be fun to try yea

[safe moat]

I mean, 128 could be good if there were maps specifically made for it where it had more points to capture and more POI’s

[nimble bridge]

20v20 Frontlines is stale imo, 32v32 is good, 40v40 would be even better imo

[safe moat]

The current problem with 128 is that the maps get too fucking barren

[burnt cradle]

32vs32 i max for Battlefield

128 players are too much chaos and problems with maps design

[blissful jolt]

Don't think 128 players was the problem

it's more like the poorly done maps

COD has working 128 players

[feral garden]

Conquest: 64
Rush: 24-32
Breakthrough: 40
Frontlines: 32
TDM: 24-32

[blissful jolt]

The battlefield maps in 2042 were like an asset flip from unity

It's like they made the intern design them

[safe moat]

Well, the game was also not built for 128 people while supporting it

The game was mainly focused on 64 players so when the game had 128 people it just couldn’t work properly

[blissful jolt]

Imo that's not true

The map design didn't fit either

It's like they never play tested that game

[safe moat]

I mean this is how I think how it went.

[blissful jolt]

you'd spawn and you'd have to walk 10 min

to get to a conflict zone

I mean the maps were reworked for 64

The maps were not made for either

they felt like they needed to make them bigger

to accomodate for some perks

[feral garden]

The maps at launch were not made to support "classic" Battlefield modes. They were made to support the original version of the game...Hazard Zone

[safe moat]

Oh yea

I forgot that

The original 2042 was supposed to be mainly about Hazard Zone

[blissful jolt]

hazard zone was fun...

[feral garden]

Yeah, which explains why the maps were/are the way that they are.

[blissful jolt]

Too bad the rest of the game was bad that no one cared

[safe moat]

Till this day I still couldn’t play that mode

Because whenever I try to play it the lobbies were not filling up

[feral garden]

HZ clearly was not fun to most players, it had no players week 2...and they scrapped its support after 3 months

[blissful jolt]

you know what was the best part of 2042?

portal was insanely amazing

[feral garden]

Nothing? At least in the launch version.

[blissful jolt]

too bad it's also gonna disappear

i genuinely enjoyed portal, especially the bf3 maps

[feral garden]

The best part was it (hopefully) made EA realise that trend chasing is not the direction BF needs to go in

[safe moat]

Actually no, they plan to add a reworked version of Portal to the new Battlefield

[feral garden]

the portal builder was a great addition, tho their excessive nerfing of XP was not really called for.

When they say that Portal is returning, I hope they just mean the builder/hosting tools.

[safe moat]

I don’t know, its just said in the CC Brief that Portal is one of the things they also want to test in the Labs

[rugged bolt]

I think portal should be a complete stand alone

Bring all old battlefields together and make it free to play

[feral garden]

Na, the next game needs a big community focus, portal allows community's to build and host the modes for their members.

[rugged bolt]

True that

[feral garden]

Making Portal standalone, and not a part of the main game would be a big mistake

[blissful jolt]

you know what would be fucking awesome?

Community map tools

[rugged bolt]

That would be sick ngl

[safe moat]

The only part where the game should be standalone is IF they make a BR mode

Make that free, add a battle pass to it

[blissful jolt]

I mean let's be real

a BR done right in a modern setting would be great

[steel torrent]

I would not mind a battlepass for regular multiplayer as long as it does not add anything pay to win and it sticks to cosmetics that are "realistic"

[safe moat]

Warzone is dying. Fortnite is itself and PUBG is well…. PUBG

[blissful jolt]

they could put all the goofy skins there, make money, give us a proper campaign and a proper mp

I played pubg yesterday

[steel torrent]

like new helmets, new backpacks, tactical gloves, nightvision googles

[blissful jolt]

It's more fun than ever

[safe moat]

So if they make a well made BR, put it as a standalone and free, I think they can dominate it

[steel torrent]

overall, cosmetics that would allow to customize your class

[pulsar mica]

Waiting for battlefield hurts😂😭

[safe moat]

We are in the cycle, currently in the “Copium for the next game” step

[steel torrent]

man, I really, really hope they succeed with this one

[pulsar mica]

I tried bf2042 on mnk and oh my the aim is noticeably awful

[safe moat]

Lets see if they can break the cycle now

[blissful jolt]

i'M GLAD IM GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK EARLY, IM GONNA GIVE SOME BRUTAL FEEDBACK

woops caps

[pulsar mica]

It’s bad on controller but mnk u feel it more

Hopefully the next one doesn’t have that issue

[steel torrent]

did any of you got an email regarding the testings?

[safe moat]

Nope

[pulsar mica]

Only when I first signed up to ea playtesters a few months ago

Not even a confirmation on the labs lol

[feral garden]

Yeah, there is no confirm email, nor have they started to send out invites yet.

[pulsar mica]

Yeee I hope I can play it but I highly doubt especially since I’m in the uk

[blissful jolt]

I want my invite in sweden to come to my post with a red stamp

[pulsar mica]

Haha

A wax seal

[blissful jolt]

Red wax seal

and a finger inside

as a point to what happens if you leak NDA

Or a horse head

[steel torrent]

it would require a lot of horses to "point" what happens to all the testers

fingers on the other hand...

[blissful jolt]

It would also increase the weight of shipping...

[last lotus]

So. Would people rather have larger content drops that you have to pay for, in a battlefield, like BF3/4, with a edition that gives you access to all of them or you can buy them individually, or what we currently have with smaller free content drops every few months?

[feral garden]

Yes

[last lotus]

Personally I'd like BF3/4 style.

Over free and smaller.

[pulsar mica]

At this point id pay

As long as they don’t charge a outrageous amount

[last lotus]

Well I'd hope for BF3 prices. 11.99 per expansion. 4 maps. 4/5 new guns

3-4 new vehicles

[steel torrent]

If they do it like BF3 I have no problem

as long as they deliver quality content

[versed token]

There's no way they do paid dlc again

[clear viper]

If they do it like BF3 all their dlc maps will be dead

[safe moat]

While I would also love big DLC’s technically smaller but more often content drops are better

The way they can do is a DLC of 9.99$ that has 1 free map, 1 paid map, a few weapons that can be unlocked and a Battle Pass

Ofcourse make the BP work like Helldivers/DRG/Marvel Rivals

Where if you buy it you can finish it even if its timer runs out

OK maybe 9.99 sounds a bit cheap but the price is something that can be figured out

[vague barn]

Undoubtedly yes. I hate the current format, I would far prefer paid individual DLC and a "ultimate" edition that gives access to all of them at a higher cost.

@safe moat I like your pfp.

[safe moat]

I mean, considering how bad EA’s current financials are I am 100% sure they are just gonna copy COD’s style with market and battlepass

[safe moat]

Thanks

[safe moat]

Their company stocks fell, Veilguard didnt sell that good(50% of the initial projected sales)

BioWare got its employees laid off

I totally expect the ingame store to be a fucking hell

[vague barn]

While I am hesitant to give Battlefield Studios the benefit of the doubt, I do think they have a pretty good understanding that Battlefield's fate is more or less make or break for a major part of the community with this next release, so I think they are going to hold back on that stuff and instead make the game attractive at launch and maybe corrupt it towards the middle and then recover from it toward the end.

Then again, the same was said about 2042 being a make-or-break game.

[safe moat]

The thing that gives me more hope is that the new game is being done by the team that gad to deal with the problems of the original 2042

Most of the old team left according to reports

[plain bluff]

the marketing tactic is still up in the air. but they need to revert their approach to making trailers

they had a perfect grasp on how to make it look good while revealing gameplay

[vague barn]

Fresh blood can be rather deceiving, it can either breathe new life into a game (series) or completely ruin it.

[plain bluff]

look at any bf3 or bf4 trailer

it was mostly gameplay with cinematic transitions between maps or perspectives

its like theyre afraid of turning on the recording during gameplay

or that they simply forgo staged gameplay

even if staged, it gives a sense of familiarity

even after all these years i cant get the BF3 Caspian Border trailer out of my head

[violet oak]

Will Battlefield 6 be available for download today?

[plain bluff]

BF2's intro was very honest and has a charm of its own

[safe moat]

While I do agree with you, this fresh blood did turn the ship around with 2042, which people thought EA was gonna abandon it

And the head being Vince Zampella, who played every Battlefield since Battlefield 1982 and lead OG COD MW Multiplayers, I do have some sort of trust to them

[plain bluff]

depends if that blood is being pumped by a battlefield pulse

there's a huge chasm between people who lead battlefield and are battlefield players themselves, and those who lead it and have little to no experience

[safe moat]

The recent gameplay that was shown felt staged(and probably was) but I don’t think it was faked

Sure it was more cinematic but it didnt felt faked like what happened with 2042

[vague barn]

Gameplay clips being staged? In my FPS market? 😱

[plain bluff]

because that opens the issue of the latter trying to turn BF into something "they think it is" rather than understanding why things worked

[safe moat]

We are too early to assume I guess. We have to wait for any publicly stated info and leaks about the Labs to know about it

[plain bluff]

im just ranting. had a rant about 2042's trailer earlier today. but yes, theyre going in the right direction

[safe moat]

Oh defo, ranting is good if its kept in a respectful limits in my opinion

[plain bluff]

i dont really care if the gameplay segments are staged or not. it shouldnt contain any extravaganza like the 2042 trailer and should feel authentic

[vague barn]

This is a bit of a double-edged sword imo. You can have developer-players who try and shape and cater to their specific playstyle, just as much as you might have misconceptions from developers who have never touched the series before.

[plain bluff]

@safe moat said rant

[vague barn]

No idea if this is something that has an English counterpart, but we have a saying in Sweden which basically can be translated as "too many chefs in the kitchen make for a bad cake".

Which, ngl, is a concern I have in the back of my head.

[plain bluff]

too many chefs in the kitchen ruins the food, yeah.

[safe moat]

While I am also afraid of too many devs working on one game, I am atleast glad that they separated which studio does what and stays on what they do

Because if we remember Black Ops 6 had also many studios but all of them worked on everything of the game, they didn’t seperate

Which is kinda what led the game to its current state IMO

[plain bluff]

the last good cod was the OG mw2 and im dying on that hill

[vague barn]

In keeping with the saying "there's a flip side to every coin"; this can also lead to inconsistencies in experiences.

[vague barn]

The last good Call of Duty I played was World at War.

Which doesn't say much, since I only ever played COD 2, Big Red One, and World at War.

[safe moat]

Yea, again what we can right now is just hoping and making theories

[safe moat]

Honestly I am a BO2 MP fanboy and I will defend that game till I die

[plain bluff]

im talking about the honest-to-god mindless twitch shooter cods

BO are their own thing and Treyarch have done well in the first 2

[vague barn]

Theories, we were lost almost in theories.
— Some investigator in the 1800s idk

[safe moat]

BO1 and 2 was amazing, 3 was weird but kinda fun(excluding lootboxes), 4 was mid, Cold War was meh and 6 is just bad

Multiplayer wise btw

[vague barn]

Nah but, I think theoretical discussions are a good way to gather alternative points of view on different subjects. I consider myself a bit of a theoretical hypothesist personally, so theorizing about various aspects and potentialities are something I enjoy more than I should.

[safe moat]

Agreed

[plain bluff]

in short, you daydream during working hours

same bro

[vague barn]

In short; Cogito ergo sum.

[plain bluff]

oh, youre on the broken arrow discord

good stuff

[vague barn]

I am on like three quadrillion Discords dude

[safe moat]

I keep asking this because I want to learn the opinions on this. How would you guys feel if EA copied the Market system of COD(like skin bundles) in the new Battlefield. And no, I’m not talking about the skins itself im talking about the skin bundle system

[plain bluff]

i have no idea how it works

[safe moat]

Me personally? As long as the sold skins fit the game’s scope and world I would be fine with it

[vague barn]

I will refrain from answering since I have no idea what that system is like, but I will remark that I liked the concept of BFV skin customisation.

[plain bluff]

but generally i think stuff like skins should be earned

[fleet robin]

i don't really mind how they do mtx, since they're obviously always going to be part of the franchise, as long as they're immersive

[plain bluff]

This. Had a lengthy discussion on BF with a long time friend of mine and the BFV customization system was the best one in the entire franchise

[blazing jetty]

what is best graphic card to run battlefield labs in stable 30+ fps in low
or should i just get an xbox series s lol

[vague barn]

No one knooooooows

[mossy marten]

2060 is the recommended minimum

[plain bluff]

if you cant pay for a minimum spec rig then buy a console

[blazing jetty]

ahaa okey sorry

[fleet robin]

nobody knows yet

[blazing jetty]

damn thats the minimum , next gen hitting hard 🔥

[fleet robin]

but you'll probably need a somewhat high end rig, since optimisation probably won't be done yet

[blazing jetty]

alright guys , thank you !

[cursive nymph]

well if u swap gpu u have to be sure that your power supply it good enough

[vague barn]

Honestly, and this is something probably few will be familiar with, but I think the Ghost Recon: Breakpoint system of customisation is also rather neat. Very grounded in reality, could customise individual items of clothing, their camo patterns, etc etc.

[cursive nymph]

soo if u have "old" pc i would recommend to check your hardware compatibility with gpu that u want to buy

[blazing jetty]

yes this is the case, thanks for the heads up!

[plain bluff]

cpu bottleneck, psu, RAM, mobo, ya know?

[cursive nymph]

if u buy new gpu u can get bottleneck form other parts

[plain bluff]

there arent many cases a drastic GPU upgrade wouldnt have you upping the entire thing

[cursive nymph]

yup

[plain bluff]

the days of jumping from a 680 to a 1080 are over

[vague barn]

HA jokes on you, I jumped from a 660 Ti to a 3060.

[mossy marten]

I have the min/recommended specs for Labs as a screenshot but no perms in here

[blazing jetty]

sorry guys i am kinda new to pc building will look more into this in my case
guess will just get a console for now xd and build pc later

[plain bluff]

now each generational leap requires a fucking fusion reactor

[fleet robin]

if you're going to get a pc anyway you might as well just get one now, save your money especially if you're gonna get an xbox

[plain bluff]

1080 to 4080 was my last upgrade

[spice wharf]

How do u sign up for play test?

[cursive nymph]

its fine! if u dont want to spent alot of cash just buy consol should be waay cheaper and easier for you, also the specs for labs and full game will be different soo imo just buy xbox or ps

[blazing jetty]

aha alright , will try my best

[blazing jetty]

Thanks guys really appreciated ! ❤️

[vague barn]

For anyone interested; Door Kickers 2 just released 1.0.

[cursive nymph]

i had this issue with bf1, beta was smooth 60 fps than on full realase i had 20 fps in max xD

[cursive nymph]

no problem buddy

[mossy marten]

PC Minimum Specs:

• Intel i5-8400/AMD Ryzen 5 2600
• Nvidia RTX 2060/AMD Radeon 5600XT
• 16GB RAM
• Storage: 30gb minimum

PC Recommended Specs:

• Intel i7-10700/AMD Ryzen 7 3700x
• Nvidia RTX 3060ti/AMD Radeon 6700XT
• 16gb RAM
• Storage: 30gb minimum

And PS5/XBOX Series X/S

This was from a screenshot from a BF page or a Content Creator, but I don't remember from who it was since that was cutout from the screenshot

[kind dirge]

its on the Q&A page on the bf labs page

looks like my 3080ti needs an upgrade

[fleet robin]

oh yeah they did post the sys req

good to know

[echo mural]

Is there still like major lines to enter the playtest? When I was trying there were like 200 000ppl in line

[safe moat]

I heard that we crashed the line

[echo mural]

But do you actually hear on the internet? Hmm👀

[obsidian moon]

my pc having a GTX1080 and Ryzen 2600 is starting to feel a bit old now

[boreal talon]

they already have, unfortunately i dont believe the designs are going to be what players want in a battlefield game

[pulsar mica]

As long as they don’t make it a milsim I’ll be happy

[spice bramble]

I do have the minimum requirements for the playtest but my PC loves to underperform

I hope it's well optimized....

[pulsar mica]

My pc doesn’t work properly until I start up a game then restart the pc

It gives me like 50 extra fps and I don’t know why

[fleet robin]

that definitely shouldn't happen

[mossy marten]

Bro needs to hand crank the PC to run 😭

[pulsar mica]

I know😂

I don’t know why it even happens😂😂😂

Not even gonna question it

[fleet robin]

have you tried a fresh windows install

[pulsar mica]

Yeee

But honestly I’m not really bothered since it’s not really a hassle

[mossy marten]

Or using ILSC (or ILCS)whatever it is. It's the standy RAM cleaner essentially

[pulsar mica]

Hm?

[mossy marten]

Intelligent standby list cleaner

"Intelligent standby list cleaner (ISLC) will monitor and clear the memory standby list according to the configured options parameter you set.
It should help users who have stutters in games when using windows 10 Creator update and higher version of windows."

[pulsar mica]

Yeah I’ve only had a pc since April I’m still learning everything

It’s a lot to learn

[fleet robin]

takes some time

[vague barn]

I just found the cutest damn UGS ever.

[fleet robin]

almost 8 years since my first build and i'm still learning

[vague barn]

Bertin Exensor PIR.

Literally looks like a little droid from Star Wars or something.

[nimble bridge]

2042 already has that

[heady thorn]

[vague barn]

henlo

am big fan

(not really, idk who you are)

[heady thorn]

thats ok most dont 😎

i also i'm a fan of you, suppressor addict.

I myself, am also one of them.

[vague barn]

Suppressor superiority.

[heady thorn]

real

[vague barn]

Nothing like a good flanking maneuver with a suppressed rifle in BF4.

Pop some smoke grenades and just go wrecking.

Oh, you're from the western half of the Empire.

[nimble bridge]

I want a non-expiring battlepass system, I would've bought many of the 2042 BPs if I could but game wasn't playable back then

[vague barn]

Kjempeflott.

[woven eagle]

when will be available to portugal? we still are europe 😒

[mossy marten]

Well no one has access to it since there has been no invites sent out
Be patient and there will probably be leaks of some individuals saying they got invited and stuff

Then we'll know when tests are happening.

[feral garden]

The playtest page login error seems to be fixed at least.

[honest rampart]

if they are using their brains, they will do a open beta to stress test the servers, and thus we wouldn't have rubber banding servers at launch

[astral vortex]

too old

[obsidian moon]

For real

It started as a i3 6100 with a 1060 build about 10 years ago

[astral vortex]

mine started 8700k 1070ti for playing bfv then changes to 12700k 3080to play both bfv and 2042

[obsidian moon]

Damn

You started off really strong then

[astral vortex]

i played csgo using 4750hq and 950m.But i started to play bf1.then changed

I didnt play bf1 for years.

I hope new battlefield will be better

[pulsar mica]

Can’t wait to get like 50fps on the new battlefield

[honest rampart]

2042 was really smooth tbh

[pulsar mica]

Nice joke

[obsidian moon]

Well, it can't be worse optimized than pubg, right?

[honest rampart]

im on 13900k with 3090ti so I dont know

[pulsar mica]

Hahaha or bf5 stuttering

[astral vortex]

oh come on ,I am going to buy 9800x3d

and 5080

[feral garden]

I started my PC journey with an i5 2400 and a Radeon HD 5770

[feral garden]

I think that was in 2012...I bought the PC so I could play the PC version of BF3.

I upgraded to a GTX 680/3770k for BF4...and on the day the beta started...my GTX 680 died.😅

[astral vortex]

My first pc i dont know what it is

I started to play pc games when i was five.too young for me to remember my father's pc.

[feral garden]

I was the same, some terrible PC that could play Half Life 1...but couldnt even boot Half Life 2.

[spice bramble]

I realized just how much I hate BF3 jets rn

Rocket pods are bullshit

[cedar flax]

where do i see the queue

[feral garden]

There should no longer be a queue. If you mean for BF Labs sign up

[cedar flax]

why?

[feral garden]

Less users trying to sign up, so no need for a load bearing queue?

I dont know, just passing the info

[nova nova]

Sign up works again?

[feral garden]

It seems to be, or at least I can access the playtests site again with no error

[nova nova]

I hope they will pick players based on games they own on EA/Steam, playtime etc, and hopefully by skill data. No randomly someone who never played these before, or dont know what is going on around them in game

[noble hazel]

When will the test start?

[astral vortex]

we dont know

[noble hazel]

Approximate start time? March or April

[heady trail]

anyone go an invite for a playtest session for next week?

[nimble bridge]

Me

[heady trail]

same here, but i can't access labs because of this stupid error

[noble hazel]

What's interesting about the test website is that I'm not in Europe and the United States, but I can still sign up using the English page.

[heady trail]

oh shit nevermind i can access it

looks like its fixed now

[astral vortex]

only en fr sp

you came from Mainland or TW

[noble hazel]

Yes, but there is no restriction on where the IP is located, so will Asian players use VPN to test it? Haha

[astral vortex]

NO

using vpn is useless

[spice bramble]

Everyone can sign up ya'll just won't get invited

[astral vortex]

true

[noble hazel]

Yes, I found out that everyone can sign up for the test, as long as it is in the English page. So I am more curious about how to accurately avoid people from other regions when the test is issued. If the region in the questionnaire is fake,

[feral garden]

All player data will be useful. One of the devs said they will gather both behavioral data (Where players go/what they do in playtests), and direct feedback. then use that to figure out how to make the best game

[spice bramble]

They most likely have your IP

Or general region I mean

[heady trail]

i hope fornifications come back

fortifications* christ

bruh

[noble hazel]

Are you bilibili's UP?

[astral vortex]

1

[noble hazel]

😋 i know who you are

[spice bramble]

I'd like it if engineers could build ATGMs or machine gun enplacements tbh

Could be fun

[feral garden]

Battlefield 6: Fornication Update

Players: 👀

[heady trail]

god no lol

[heady trail]

that would be nice

[astral vortex]

have a chat?

[heady trail]

bf5 had a lot of good mechanics, hope they look into those

[vague barn]

Ehhhhhhh, not too sure about that, depends on the power/restrictions on such a system.

[spice bramble]

yeah I actually forgot to think of that lol

If they found a way to balance it THEN it would be nice

[feral garden]

Fortifications were a good way of keeping players on a flag to defend it. Lots of BF games have struggled with giving players things to do to allow flag defense.

Tho a lot of fortification could be fully destroyed too easily

[vague barn]

SACLOS stuff I'd be alright with, but since most modern ATGM systems (e.g. SPIKE, Akeron MP) are F&F it'd be difficult to implement it in a balanced way without significantly reducing the damage.

[random rampart]

You Look Like a YouTuber

[violet oak]

When a letter will come to me that they took me to the alpha test?

[spice bramble]

Just look at what BF4 had

BF2042 god rid of it for some reason

[heady trail]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-be-sad-this-is-just-how-it-works-out-sometimes-angel-bf2042-battlefield-angel-dont-be-sad-angel-gif-24855532

[heady trail]

but seriously, idk why they got rid of it

[vague barn]

Yeah, fair point, BF4 used more or less exclusively SACLOS stuff, there was minimal F&F in that game.

But, possibly controversial opinion, I'm a bit tired of seeing TOWs all over the place.

[spice bramble]

Barely anyone ever used TOWs

[ancient lark]

In BF2 they felt more usefull... not so much in 3 and on

[spice bramble]

They could possibly implement the anti air enplacement from BF2 as well

But it might just be too annoying so

[vague barn]

Then again, I can't come to think of any current viable OPFOR non-SACLOS stuff.

[spice bramble]

Played BF3 and the jets made me wanna tear my hair

[ancient lark]

I like the idea of engineers being able to craft field versions of TOW/AA. Maybe each side can have 2 or 3 active at a time

[spice bramble]

One run on a tank and you're disablexd

[coarse orchid]

Salut à tous est-ce qu’il va y avoir un mode classé sur batllefield 6 ?

[spice bramble]

frenchman

[feral garden]

https://x.com/tiggr_/status/1888981150305022055?t=4Z5qCAeibRg50RMD6hrJLg&s=19

David Sirland (@tiggr_) on X

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X · Feb 10, 2025, 3:59 PM

[lost gale]

Je pense qu' il n y'a pas und Mode classes maintenat mais pas sur

Pardon, j'a apprendu francais en ecole et c'est ca...
Alors ma francais, c'est mal...

I only speak German (mother tongue) and English fluently, in French I only know some basics, so you gotta build your sentences around that...

[vague barn]

Ich verstehe Deutsch, aber nur militär-Deutsch und ich kann nur ein bisschen sprechen.

[spice bramble]

Schweine

Dicke Schweine

[lost gale]

Das reicht aus, Soldat 🫡

[spice bramble]

Is all I know

[lost gale]

Fat Pigs

Lmai

[vague barn]

Danke, ich wunsche ihr einer guten abend.

[signal vigil]

hey guys, any word on play test invitations rolling out?

[lost gale]

Danke gleichfalls

[lost gale]

In 2 or 3 weeks

[vague barn]

No one knows.

[signal vigil]

danke

[ancient lark]

We are hopeful for next week.. we shall see

[signal vigil]

its been one week so hopefully next week?

[lost gale]

It was literally mentioned a few hours ago by Staff. 2 or 3 weeks approximately

[signal vigil]

oh fr fr?

[vague barn]

Ah, must have missed that.

[lost gale]

Ye

[signal vigil]

missed it too

[spice bramble]

So the playtests will START then supposedly?

[lost gale]

Check #1335998561820872824

[spice bramble]

Or just the invites

[signal vigil]

im guessing both

either way

hope you guys get an inv 😎

[spice bramble]

Oh it says sessions

[lost gale]

There probably won't be much time inbetween

[vague barn]

Likewise

[spice bramble]

I hope my PC can run it

[lost gale]

I hope we all get invites

[lost gale]

What's your specs

[spice bramble]

RX 5700 XT and Ryzen 5 3600

I have the minimum but my PC is getting slow

[lost gale]

Mine should be sufficient - RTX 4090 and Intel i9 14900K

[vague barn]

just download more ram lol

[spice bramble]

No it shouldn't Mark, you'll get 10 FPS

[signal vigil]

Series X

[lost gale]

Whut, the 4090 and the i9 is literally the second newest stuff on the market??
Do they expect everyone to get the new 5000 series?

Or what

[ancient lark]

No, you are just fine.. was missing the /s I think

[plain bluff]

since when do we need to add /s for sarcasm

[tacit bobcat]

Although early alpha access in many games is prior to the last optimizing, it might be running worse than it will be at launch (and if bf4 taught us anything, a month after launch will be even better)

[plain bluff]

thats silly

[ancient lark]

I think the rec'd card is a 3060TI

[feral garden]

The specs for BF Labs are already known. Its not all that high a requirement.

[vague barn]

No one said we need to add it, it's just used for clarification as sarcasm doesn't transfer well in text sometimes.

[feral garden]

PC Minimum Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i5-8400 / AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2060 / AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB

PC Recommended Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i7-10700 / AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060Ti / AMD Radeon RX 6700-XT
Memory: 16GB
Storage: Minimum 30GB

[lost gale]

I'm apparently extremely bad at recognizing sarcasm 😂
Irl it's already Bad, online even worse lol

[nimble bridge]

Reddit already has more info about next BF than BF Discord
''That september leak was right after all?'' for anyone interested

[ancient lark]

Yup, I got ya

[mossy marten]

"not all that high a requirement"
People still run specs below that by quite a lot

[ancient lark]

I'm just waiting on a 50 series to pair with my 7800X3d... sadpanda

[spice bramble]

Do you guys shit pots of gold

[feral garden]

Mid tier GPU from 6 years ago...6 core CPU from 8 years ago. Lord have mercy if you have a PC over this age lol

[ancient lark]

Everyone is at different stages. I am finally at a point where I can spend money on my hobbies. Hasn't been that way most of my life.

[mossy marten]

in the Delta Force discord, there are lots of people who run 700, 900 series GPUs
Mostly from countries where parts are stupid high in price

[feral garden]

People still think 1060 and 1080 are good GPUs in 2025 im sure haha

[spice bramble]

Please don't think I meant it in a bad way by the way, was just joking

[ancient lark]

Oh for sure, just painting the picture. I don't have any sad tale.. I just thought haveing 4 kids was a smart idea. 8)

[lost gale]

I'm at the point where I spend too much money on Gaming 💀
So much that I need to save fuel on the road to the extent where I drive behind trucks to get a tow and less drag.

Or I eat only once a day...💀

[tacit bobcat]

Many people do have older PC's. Hell, you get government systems still run by floppy disks. Doesn't mean any new game should be able to run on those. 2060 is a fair older generation as minimum these days for a high end game pushing limits.

[kind dirge]

seem to remember the 2042 alpha ran pretty well on my PC

[ancient lark]

hahaha, no /s needed there. that's great

[tacit bobcat]

And if they made minimum any lower, everyone in their 30 series and up cards would whine about how crappy the gfx is and how little desctruction and physics there is too

[spice bramble]

I will most likely be buying new PC this summer

Just GPUs cost a kidney

[ancient lark]

I'm over here just angry at the VRAM on my 3070FTW3... I NEED MOAR VRAMs.. grr

[lost gale]

Modern GPUs are literally as big as (very) old PCs

Almost cap

[spice bramble]

How much did GTX 1080 TI cost at release

[nimble bridge]

Minimum should be GTX970 and i7 4790K honestly

[mossy marten]

$700ish if i remember correctly

[spice bramble]

Wow

Compare that to the 2k that 5090 costs nowadays

[feral garden]

People just ask for and expect too much when it comes to hardware. They want a next gen Battlefield with quality visuals and destruction...but absolutely will complain if they get exactly that and it doesnt work on their 8 year old CPU/GPU 😛

[spice bramble]

oops not 2K exactly

[vague barn]

👆

[tacit bobcat]

GTX 970 is really being optimistic. I got a GTX 970 when I left South Africa 10 years ago and it was already at the end of that generation.

[mossy marten]

5090 is $2k

[nimble bridge]

Every game should work on my 8 year old CPU/GPU 🤷

[feral garden]

970 was bad 2/3 years after it came out, let alone 10 😄

[spice bramble]

Oh no

[vague barn]

Work, maybe. Run at max settings, no.

[spice bramble]

5090 is THREE THOUSAND DOLLAS HERE

[ancient lark]

woof

[mossy marten]

RIP

[astral vortex]

5090d cost 23k rmb in china

[lost gale]

If Hardware wouldn't cost a fortune I think it would be doable for most people, but unfortunately the good stuff became extremely expensive

[feral garden]

I wonder if the next game uses mesh shaders...and wont even work at all on older than 16/20 series Nvidia.

[tacit bobcat]

You don't NEED a 5090. A 2060 or even 3060 I'm pretty sure you can pick up fairly cheaply on ebay (or equivalent depending on country)

[mossy marten]

good thing i got a 6950xt brand new for $600 (msrp was over $1k)
Actually better than 3090 in the games i play lmao

[ancient lark]

I'd be fine with a 5070TI / 5080.. just need to actually find one online. Not close to a Microcenter where I live

[astral vortex]

23k rmb =3,148 dollars

[spice bramble]

Not saying I need it, just making a comparison. 1080 was a beast for ages and look at it's price

[mossy marten]

well 5070ti isn't out yet

[ancient lark]

Right.. tiny glimmer of hope

[nimble bridge]

3060 Ti is pretty cheap, that's why I bought it 8 gb vram though 😭

[mossy marten]

5080 and 5090 were basically paper launches

[spice bramble]

I'll either buy RX 7900XT or 4070 Ti Super I'll see

Gotta get my money up at summer job

[tacit bobcat]

Yeah, welcome to the age of AI where Nvidia really doesn't care about gamers as there is massively more profit in using that manufacturing space for AI cards.

Intel B850 is decently priced for really good performance still. Hoping they bring more competition to mid tiers as well

[astral vortex]

dice may using ai to build maps

[vague barn]

I need to get a job at some point in the not too distant future, unfortunately the local market for what I am educated as is dryer than sub-Saharan deserts.

[lost gale]

I bet the tech itself of the 5090 costs only 25% of the price, so maybe 500 bucks.
Rest is for Nvidia.
So if you go to some Asian Micro Chip factory or wherever they are produced you can build your own

[tacit bobcat]

Even the 4070's (if you can even find stock anymore, already an issue) is stupid expensive for that it does, compared to GTX 970 vs top end back in the day

[nimble bridge]

They should use AI for skins 😂

[lost gale]

What are you educated for if I may ask

[vague barn]

Network technician.

[astral vortex]

cool

[lost gale]

Actually pretty good stuff in today's age

There's jobs for that in many places

[vague barn]

It's a good job, IF I COULD GET ONE.

[plain bluff]

I was employed for the first time a year ago. Don't be surprised when that feeling of emptiness and lack of direction hit you.

[vague barn]

Although tbh I am pretty horrible at writing CVs and personal letters.

[spice bramble]

The entire IT/CompSci/SoftEng market is oversaturated rn

[plain bluff]

just like economists a decade ago

[lost gale]

I mean I just went to the Army, so I'm pretty safe in terms of my job...

[vague barn]

Oh don't worry dude, I been through the feeling of emptiness and lack of direction in the past.

[spice bramble]

Conscription?

Or the real deal?

I mean mandatory service sorry

[lost gale]

Nah German Army is volunteerly.
I'm a Student officer rn

[plain bluff]

He's German military, or more correctly called - the American foot soldier

[spice bramble]

oh alright

[boreal talon]

Big brained

[spice bramble]

Didnt know you were german

didnt check profile

[lost gale]

Ja guten Tag

[ancient lark]

Un spricht viele sprachen

[lost gale]

Lol

[ancient lark]

ein bischen fur mich

[spice bramble]

Ich bin ein dick Junge

[vague barn]

I wish I could join the army/air force. I have three military bases (two army regiments and an air force base) within roughly 35 km.

[plain bluff]

dicker gibson

[lost gale]

But let's see, if I pass the Tests I might get into the air force - I applied for the fighter pilot programm

[spice bramble]

You guys got so desperate for the new Battlefield that you just wanna go at it IRL

I get it

[astral vortex]

sieg?

[lost gale]

Then let's go! This is the way

[lost gale]

I'm not permitted to type the answer XD

[plain bluff]

jaegerprogramm ist gut. die typhoon fliegen, ja?

[nimble bridge]

Spear

[vague barn]

I am not in Germany, nor am I allowed in the Armed Forces.

[astral vortex]

I think German is cool

[lost gale]

If I pass and I'm Lucky, F35 might just worj

[vague barn]

German is such a good language to be angry in.

[astral vortex]

I want to learn once ,to hard

[lost gale]

Why are you not allowed tho

[astral vortex]

give up

[vague barn]

I'll send a DM

[plain bluff]

(sends a doctors note about schizophrenia)

[lost gale]

Herr Oberleutnant, melde 2. Zug im Sturmangriff auf die Panzerspitzen des Feindes!

[vague barn]

That's fucking hilarious because that's literally what I sent him, ish.

[astral vortex]

I dont know german but i know strum panzer.

[plain bluff]

STUPA

[spice bramble]

Ich mochte sie verstehen aber Ich spreche Deutsch nicht zu viel

:(

[astral vortex]

Ich mochte sie verstehen aber Ich spreche Deutsch nicht zu viel

me too

[spice bramble]

I'll have to grind my german

[plain bluff]

understanding is the first step during learning

[vague barn]

Sturmpanzer

[woeful sluice]

I feel like you should also be able to tell it from the soldier model. I still don't like the idea of one class having both ammo and meds. Better to give one of those to assault so that utility is more spread out.

[astral vortex]

I know gewhr

[vague barn]

Swedish word for Killed in Action

[spice bramble]

Well assault was a powerhouse with the meds

[plain bluff]

Where can I complain that Battlefield Labs doesn't include a Croatian flag?

[lost gale]

I said: Lieutenant, 2nd Platoon is attacking enemy tank positions!

[lost gale]

Gewehr-rifle

[nimble bridge]

I hope next game features a shorty spear, 2042 made me like the gun

[astral vortex]

i usually say"ich bin mude"in office

[spice bramble]

Dunno why but I trust tiggr as if he was some sort of prophet

[vague barn]

Ich will zu hause is another alternative.

[spice bramble]

I'll only ever believe what he says

[astral vortex]

too hard

[plain bluff]

Wouldn't it be
"Leftenant, the 2. platoon is doing an attacking manoeuvre againt the enemy armoured spearhead"?

[spice bramble]

Laura Miele is my enemy

[plain bluff]

Wouldn't "spitz" mean tip of a blade?

[lost gale]

Yeah, but there's the difference between literal Translation and Mediation.
I find Mediation is the more practical way. Yours is the literal trabslation ofc

[vague barn]

"Leftenant" is a pronunciation of the word "Lieutenant", not an actual spelling of the rank, even in Britbong land.

[lost gale]

Panzerspitze is armored spearhead

[spice bramble]

We use spitz as a word for the top of a mountain

[astral vortex]

there is a english teacher in my office ,she studied in University of Göttingen

[plain bluff]

I was being anal about it

[astral vortex]

she can speak ger

[vague barn]

Fair

[astral vortex]

i think german sounds very man!!!

[spice bramble]

Would be cool to hear some german voice lines in BF6

[lost gale]

Die Sprache der Krieger

[plain bluff]

yes, that's why i asked. Panzerpunkt, Panzer Position maybe?

[vague barn]

Herr Hauptmann, ich hatt keine munition mehr, aber ich habe eine feldspaten. Ich sehe dir in Valhalla. ANGRIFF!

[astral vortex]

if you want to say the forbidden word you can come to chinese media or website ,you will be popular

[vague barn]

Would it be "habe" or "hatt"?

[lost gale]

When out of Ammo in the trench we say: Klappspaten frei!
That's literally a joke in the army

[nimble bridge]

habe

[lost gale]

I mean I won't be judged there lol.
In Germany you can get imprisoned for that

[plain bluff]

Death Korps of Krieg enjoyers

[lost gale]

habe

[vague barn]

Stosstruppen, what a service to be in during WW1 man. "I have an idea, instead of a rifle which is rather cumbersome and unwieldy in the trench, I'll just sharpen the edge of my entrenching tool, put on a field-made satchel full of Stielhandgranaten, maybe bundle a few together, and just full send it."

[astral vortex]

you are german?

[spice bramble]

I need you guys lobbying for a german faction

[lost gale]

Another saying for Tank units is: Breit fahren, schmal denken.
~ drive widely, think little

You can't translate that literally lol: it's something like.
Think with your tank, not with your brain 😂

[vague barn]

No, I am extremely Swedish.

[lost gale]

That's the spirit

[astral vortex]

i there cold?

is

[vague barn]

Not as much as it used to be.

Lowest we had this winter was only like -25 Celsius.

[lost gale]

If BF6 turns out to have full Nato in it, that means I can als play German soldiers and tanks and everything -

And then be a war thunder player and complain that they did it wrong 😂

[vague barn]

Balls of Iron Crosses.

[astral vortex]

i never suffered a weather under -5 celsius

[lost gale]

"Only"

[astral vortex]

only...

[lost gale]

For me the lowest ever was -16

[vague barn]

Well, it hit -25 on like one single day, we used to be able to get like -30 to -35 for weeks on end.

[astral vortex]

I cant imagine that

[lost gale]

But the comrades in Lithuania mentioned temps of down to -30

[vague barn]

Every other day it was like -20 to -15

[lost gale]

Makes sense

[vague barn]

Which makes me sad, because I like the cold.

[astral vortex]

?

[vague barn]

Also because I have very fond memories of being told to play outside during my time in school when it was like -30 outside and we would dig like full on Vietcong tunnel systems in the snow and shit.

[astral vortex]

dont you think you feet will feel nothing when the weather is under 10?

[plain bluff]

layered foorwear

[vague barn]

I grew up in these parts, I know how to layer.

[nimble bridge]

Glad I don't live in a nordic country
But I would love to if @dice offered me a job

[plain bluff]

smooth socks + wool socks + weather resistant warm boots

it'll be surprisingly cosy

[astral vortex]

2 socks?

[plain bluff]

yeah, when its that cold, you wear up to 3 layers

[astral vortex]

never did that

[plain bluff]

you can't afford soldiers getting cold

[ancient lark]

Or just literally try to do anything with all of those layers.. sled, shovel, play.. and you are sweating

[astral vortex]

Ok, i am too weak.

[stray veldt]

when i was a kid we had -36 celcius once (sweden), we had no running water and the school closed

[ancient lark]

Where I grew up we wouldn't get that cold.. maybe -15c... but you just added a layer if it was that cold. Or waited a bit

[astral vortex]

I might go to Europe for my honeymoon.

[vague barn]

My old sports teacher used to be a Norrland Ranger (basically mountaineers dialed up to insane) so we were taught all about layering, building cozy caves in the snow, how to change socks without getting snowy.

[vague barn]

Weak.

[spice bramble]

Where I grew up we had grueling 15 celcius, barely survived

[vague barn]

I know the perfect destination for you

[astral vortex]

dont you have airconditioner?

[vague barn]

Ice Hotel in Kiruna

[ancient lark]

I think it is in my blood.. ~75% Finnish.. but have always lived in the states

[astral vortex]

no! i am going to berlin or Munich to drink.

[ancient lark]

PROST!

[lost gale]

I know that issue.
Nest solution is to go for something breathable underneath, (breathable, but warm underwear would do and then do just warm layers on top.

Best jackets I can recommend are the ones from Carinthia

[vague barn]

Why not go to the Ice Hotel and drink your head off using ice glasses?

[astral vortex]

no, too cold

[vague barn]

The entire hotel is literally built out of ice and snow essentially.

[astral vortex]

and iam going to have a speeeeeech!

[lost gale]

Oh I see

A Man of culture

[vague barn]

I know enough about history to know where this is going.

[astral vortex]

MINECRAFT

[sudden lodge]

Ok what have I missed? If the first thing I read is about jackets and ice hotels?

[lost gale]

I bet he's intending to do it in Munich

[vague barn]

A lot. The playtesting is over.

[astral vortex]

i played bfv and take 220k kills.

[stray veldt]

i was 7 years old 😄

[astral vortex]

you know what i mean

[lost gale]

Hahah

[astral vortex]

the playtesting is over haha

[vague barn]

URSÄKTER.

[sudden lodge]

Bs it hasn’t even started

[vague barn]

Nah you missed it mate

[spice bramble]

Are all of you older than 30?

Just wondering

[vague barn]

Not yet.

[spice bramble]

Mark actually

[plain bluff]

not long

[astral vortex]

how can i invited to a none-exist playtest,for a none-exist game

25for me

[lost gale]

Check out "history at war" on yt, makes interesting ww2 history vids, but his oldest vids are edits that are absolutely fire

[spice bramble]

The playtest will appear there

[sudden lodge]

I’m old enough to drink in my country, but it’s not old enough to drink in America

[lost gale]

20

[spice bramble]

If you will be invited

Yeah you said you were a student(?) so I could have guessed

I'm 18

Trynna get into law school

I better do

[astral vortex]

i watched Unsere Mütter

i am actully a teacher

teaching math

[lost gale]

Future Officers of the German army at least regarding the Standard approach study during their 5 year Training Phase.

This is done in order to train them not just physically but also mentally

I study political science

[vague barn]

I am old enough to say that by my age, James Dean had already been dead for a year.

[plain bluff]

you better start reading and massaging that smooth brain otherwise you ain't getting anywhere

[spice bramble]

I already have a decent chance at getting into one

[lost gale]

Good film too, Math was always fine for me, although a little bit tricky sometimes

[vague barn]

Pretty decent series ngl. RIP Friedhelm.

[spice bramble]

I have the same score as the last person that got accepted last year

[astral vortex]

true

[plain bluff]

and my colleges scores were 696.9

i was immensely pleased

[spice bramble]

Don't know how it works for you guys

It's different here

[astral vortex]

Der Krieg bringt das Schlechteste im Menschen zum Vorschein.

[lost gale]

Also studying over here is a hell of lot different to studying in the US

[spice bramble]

I don't have to take a loan

[astral vortex]

google trans

[vague barn]

Es gibt keiner Sinn. Gott hatt uns verlassen.

[plain bluff]

we usually take a nation-wide exam for multiple subjects at the end of high school and calculate scores

you use those scores to gain free entry into college

[lost gale]

We don't have multiple choice Tests. All we do is writing essays.
Long essays. Whether during exams or at home

[spice bramble]

I have to take 2 tests that are irrelevant to the thing I want to study. Here a future teacher and a future lawyer take the same exam

I think even future doctors

[astral vortex]

how can you type a messenge with vid in my head??

[lost gale]

Correct translation, although I personally think that war (or combat) to be precise is bad and good at the same time.
There are many different aspects to it, but it's definitely not black and white

[vague barn]

Dude, that fucking scene killed me.

[astral vortex]

I really know german ,but this word i can actually spell.

i watch hundreds of time

[lost gale]

You should watch downfall.
"Der Untergang"
Absolute amazing piece of art showing the last days in the bunker in Berlin

[spice bramble]

EU BF3 server finally got populated

How great would it be if punkbuster returned...

[ancient lark]

oh no

[vague barn]

I watched that the other day, Literally criminal that Bruno Ganz (I think the name of the actor was) didn't win an award for that portrayal.

[astral vortex]

fred'friend step on the mine ,fred became bad

[lost gale]

Nobody could have portrayed the Führer better than him emotionally and personality wise.
Iconic scenes

[vague barn]

Absolutely agree.

[astral vortex]

minen!!

[astral vortex]

agree

[lost gale]

Then they let the russians go ahead.
Absolutely valid if you ask me, they probably mined the place anyways

So it's only justified that they fall by their own mines

[astral vortex]

if i will do the same thing.

if i am a german soldier, i will do it.

[vague barn]

Dude, I have forgotten most of that series other than three scenes.

1. Friedhelm screaming "there is no sense, god has abandoned us" and telling Wilhelm he expects him to lead them regardless.
2. Friedhelm saying it was pointless from the outset.
3. The final "we were five, five friends".

[astral vortex]

they took the radio station, but it was nothing

died for nothing

[spice bramble]

you guys should prolly talk in general

[lost gale]

I'm also a huge Star Wars Fan, but the Galactic Empire (and the Republic but only because of the clones and the First Order but the sequels are shit) is the only faction I'm cheering for.

Unfortunately the movies are rebel propaganda.
And rebels are terrorists

[astral vortex]

sry

[spice bramble]

not that i care just sayin

[astral vortex]

sry

[spice bramble]

No need to apologize

[vague barn]

Probably, but I am reminiscing only momentarily.

Honestly if Battlefield could have a campaign anywhere near as well written as Unsere Mütter, Unsere Väter I would lobotomise myself to be able to relive playing it again for the first time.

[astral vortex]

this is what dice good at

[vague barn]

Because BF4 tried to be anti-war but there was like no connecting to the characters.

[ancient lark]

They are working on the MP only from the vids

[vague barn]

Yeah, I'm hoping for the singleplayer to be good coming up.

[astral vortex]

hope the ai works and make maps faster

[ancient lark]

here here!

[astral vortex]

make battlefield great again!!!!

[spice bramble]

DICE is great at making you want to lobotomise yourself

Just not for the right reasons

[vague barn]

Tbh I doubt any current Battlefield will be able to fulfill the expectations of old fans.

[ancient lark]

I came from BF:Nam/BF2.. and I have a blast in 2042.. can top the leaderboards if I want. 😉

[lost gale]

There's so many Anti war media, I'd appreciate a campaign which is pro and Anti war at the same time. That depicts the protagonists (from every nation and all sides) from a heroic and a dark perspective in changing and intense Story lines and battles.
That's a good campaign.

All perspectives, differenciated view, not just the classic hero Villain arc

[vague barn]

But, if done right, I think they might be able to give another generation the same feelings about the current game as the old generation have of the old.

[spice bramble]

Dude

Global GUID ban on BF3 in Europe but on NA servers its fine

I will be the first to lobotomise myself

I fucking hate punkbuster

They were fearful of my 1KD

[nimble bridge]

Lol

[vague barn]

Well, I think it's difficult to make a pro-war campaign since we're pretty ingrained in the idea that wars are de jure bad, so no one (least of all game developers) will go out on a limb and make such a "statement"/"implication".

[plain bluff]

exactly why my PB folder is named "TheHolyPB"

do not besmirch its name, foul heathen