battlefield-labs-discussion

[versed cove]

all you gotta do is watch your email inbox. and hope your lucky. and if your lucky. dont go out posting about it but be silent xD

[teal dune]

Very realistic! ✌️☺️👍

[pallid briar]

I wonder if we'll get the MV-22 Osprey in the next game as a transport for the next game

[woeful plank]

i know

[short vector]

would like to see a good bf game

that's all

[weary mantle]

i've always loved larger aircraft in Battlefield. In the Desert Combat mod for 1942 we had the AC-130 and you could actually run around in the cargo area without being seated if you wanted.

someone could operate the hatch door and raise/lower it so everyone could jump out

if the pilot banked too hard though, and you smacked the walls, you'd die or be badly injured lol

we had too much freedom in games back then

[pallid briar]

you mean B-17?

[visual trellis]

whats everyones theories for when you think the playtest will be?

[still wren]

No one will have confirmation for weeks yet.

Please read #battlefield-labs-news for updates on when things start.

What you all signed up for was to be in a pool to maybe help test the game. Do not expect to be entered, do not expect rewards.

[woven saffron]

hopefully with labs the release isnt gonna be next year

id say if they do wanna do that do like a 24/7 playtest beta with experimental unfinished gameplay stuff

[pulsar latch]

Will the playtest cost?

[long trail]

what cost money ? lol its only playtest cant be cost

[tepid plinth]

it requires your soul as payment to the almighty vince

[visual trellis]

i just meant theories

[nimble bridge]

It's pretty good, I dislike folio system and open world though. Folio makes materias useless imo.

[golden vortex]

I mean, if you extrapolate from previous issues and things that were adjusted in previous games, then TTK, visibility, weapon balance, class balance etc. are all likely.

But we don't really know until we know.

[visual trellis]

True, I'm exited to see what improvements there will be

[sudden lodge]

Does anyone know how long the queue has gone yesterday it was around 1.5 million

[vale burrow]

i had like a 100 people ahead of me when i opened the website

guess i got lucky

[long trail]

lol only 100 so u for sure in the test 😄

i had 28k when i regs

[nimble bridge]

They said the order you apply doesn't matter though

[brazen obsidian]

waaaaaaaaaay earlier than that

[north yacht]

What is the chance of getting invited to alpha testing?

[feral garden]

1/????

???? because there is no way to know the amount of players who signed up, and no way to know how many players they will choose

[brazen obsidian]

probably low

theres so many people applying and the first playtest will be relatively small increasing in size

[north yacht]

There are a lot of registered people

I believe that my RTX 3060 will not choke xD

[golden vortex]

I would imaginie that testing environments like this typically lets in few people initially to get things rolling, and then expands the pool. That's how I would do it, anyways.

[north yacht]

agree

[feral garden]

Start small and learn what issues players will have. Fix those issues when there are a small enough pool that you can properly debug (Like server/connection issues, ETC) Then roll it out to more and more players over time.

[north yacht]

I'm a big fan of battlefield 3/4, I hope everything will be fine

[brazen obsidian]

tests could be started as early as next week

[feral garden]

The shown gameplay sure does give off BF3 vibes.

[north yacht]

tutu tu tutu tu

[brazen obsidian]

i am certain

[north yacht]

love this graphic and destructions

[nimble bridge]

Less than 5% I assume

[nimble bridge]

https://youtu.be/3Oz9OajW6zA

[stray veldt]

it reminds me of that map Talalah market or whatever

[feral garden]

It looks a bit like Strike at Karkand to me

[molten totem]

Looks like a mixture of Strike at Karkand, Grand Bazaar, and Gulf of Oman

[feral garden]

Yeah, all these maps have similar vibes. Sharqi Peninsula also

Strike at Karkand or Sharqi Peninsula would be really cool maps on which to playtest a new games systems.

I loved the BF3 versions of those maps

[golden vortex]

What is that for useless clickbaity title? Nothing like that is confirmed. This video must be based on Spacestar Ordering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38hiqW2E88A

[feral garden]

Titles and thumbnails are for the algorithm...

[golden vortex]

Maps taking place in a similar "biome" does not make it the same map...

[feral garden]

No use in discussing it, cos it just as likely is a new map, as it is an old map

I dont really care how or why a videos title is/looks a specific way

[golden vortex]

The title is spreading falsehoods like its fact.

[feral garden]

I dont care

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Tell that to the creator lol

[golden vortex]

Well, only you who spread the video is here.

[feral garden]

Right, deleted

Happy?

Jesus christ

[golden vortex]

less unhappy with the original video maybe 😄

[past furnace]

Ends up it was 1.3 mil registered.

[vague barn]

Only 1.3 milliradians?

[cedar flax]

not terrible

[weary mantle]

nah, AC-130. You're thinking base game aircraft. Past the first year I don't know many people who actually played vanilla 1942 since the quality of mods was so good

[barren compass]

How do we start the demand on VR? #battlefield-labs-news Nothing says ‘immersive’ like crouching in your living room for 20 minutes and suddenly needing a chiropractor

[hardy halo]

Was gonna ask why that is even in the news channel

[barren compass]

Yup I was curious too lol I love the idea though

[vague barn]

I'm actually fairly intrigued by the helmet of the dude on the left edge of the screen at 1 second into the gameplay clip.

Pretty reminiscent of the British helmet net used in early GWOT.

[hardy halo]

With a omni track it would be pretty cool but honestly would be something that not a lot of players could afford

[barren compass]

Yes exactly!

[clear viper]

Who even is that guy 😭

[hardy halo]

Oh that's bob the janitor (honestly no idea)

[clear viper]

LOL

[weary mantle]

i had actual roomscale VR with the HTC Vive back in 2016 with the maximum space the sensors would allow and after a year or so experiencing that, it changed my perspective and expectations with VR. Beforehand my imagination would kind of go wild thinking of the possibilities with gaming or w/e but the practicality of it all is the issue. You can't just copy + paste existing FPS games into VR

its not the same experience even remotely

[vague barn]

Additionally, you are eventually going to ram your head into the wall.

[weary mantle]

FPS games in VR kind of have to be designed for VR. Will it be roomscale? will it be teleportation? will you just move with a joystick?

[weary mantle]

haha been there

[balmy hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/moistcritikal-penguinz0-charlie-misinput-it-was-a-misinput-gif-23090919

[short vector]

battlefield vr

so delusional

[vague barn]

I haven't. I don't have VR because it just doesn't appeal to me.

[weary mantle]

fair enough, I thought it was very cool and I had some cool experiences. OnwardVR, Arizona Sunshine, Pavlov were cool FPS experiences, but again it's not the same at all as booting up "2d" FPS games on your PC.

[barren compass]

Yes!!!! 😂 I can see myself sprinting around in VR with a needle in Battlefield 1, only to slam into your own wall or trying to revive my cat

[vague barn]

It could just be me with this theory, but the soldiers in the gameplay clip look suspiciously British in their equipment.

[weary mantle]

waiting for a super light and cheap headset to try again. ended up selling my vive to some dude who was running a halloween VR experience years back. it ended up collecting dust because the setup process and everything is tedious

[nimble bridge]

Rumors are saying NATO vs PMC I hope it's true because we can get a wide range of military gear for both the factions

Kinda like what WW3 does

[vague barn]

Hopefully that'll be the case. US vs RU vs CN is kinda boring and bland

Would much prefer a NATO vs CSTO/PMC setting, gives more opportunity for customisation and equipment variety.

[cursive nymph]

hopefully dice wont event think of makin battlefield vr game

[nimble bridge]

Agreed, give me character models, skins and even maybe weapons from my country lol

[vague barn]

Then again, like 80% of modern weapons are AR/AKs. So I guess not too much of a difference.

[vague barn]

I think MoH:WF had an interesting concept for country representation tbh.

You had X amount of countries with unique models for each class.

Was a pretty cool idea imo.

Also really nice to see a non-standard M4A1 in the gameplay clip.

Kinda unexpected as it seems to be just a placeholder weapon.

[final pivot]

Meh. Go play Metal Gear Solid or something :p

Or that one COD game, Advanced Warfare iirc

[vague barn]

Honestly even some of the uniforms in the gameplay clip look like UBACS as opposed to ACU or Crye stuff.

[cursive nymph]

man i wish new bf conflict is more grounded, i mean smthin like NATO vs rusfor or smtihin like war on terror

[weary mantle]

eh, I'm sure someone at DICE is messing around with VR on some level. Just like Valve, and Respawn even did Medal of Honor VR experience

Vince from Respawn now GM of Battlefield

[cursive nymph]

as a spin of yeah sure why not

but as a full entry

Naaaah

[weary mantle]

like a side-experience yea, that's usually what they've been doing.

[cursive nymph]

yeah i hope it will be a side experience

cose vr multiplayer games are well mid xD

[weary mantle]

heh, just looked it up.... also Motive who made Star Wars Squadrons made a side PSVR experience and Motive is part of the new Battlefield Labs team

[cursive nymph]

and i say this as a vr owner

[nimble bridge]

Dead games

One the weapons from my country was featured in CoD though

[cursive nymph]

oh well

[weary mantle]

so almost all the dev teams involved in the new Battlefield have some experience with VR

bring back commander mode and allow VR users to put on their headset and view the battlefield like a tabletop RTS game or something haha

[vague barn]

Commander mode was underrated imo

[weary mantle]

hell yea it was

would bring my ipad to my friends house and sit next to him while he was on his PC and I'd join his games and be commander

ipad battlefield app had full commander mode

[hardy halo]

That was such a cool aspect

[weary mantle]

it was sick

[vague barn]

I didn't use it that much personally, but it was nice to have an "operational" level of gameplay where you had to prioritise certain objectives above others.

[weary mantle]

some people would have their ipad as like a 2nd monitor or a huge minimap and just reach over to drop themselves care packages while on their PC they were playing 1st person

[vague barn]

Not just go to red 3D marker, shooty-shooty, tick-tick and rinse and repeat

[covert nest]

Objectives with vehicles spawns.

That would help a lot.

[weary mantle]

right

[covert nest]

Giving the team a tank would go a long way for an objective. Cause you know. That's how it works.

That's how it should work.

[weary mantle]

i think one of the unique things about Battlefield is that there were a ton of different ways to play and everyone could find something to make themselves useful for the bigger picture

take submarines for instance

[vague barn]

I'm hesitant to lock vehicles behind capture points since it can result in a team with a bad opening never being able to recover from it and then just end up getting themselves annihilated for the rest of the match.

Note "can", not saying that's a certain outcome, just that it can happen.

[covert nest]

Thing is that you can't drive an incentive by doing anything. Giving the team actual resources on hand for it goes a long way.

[versed token]

They should obviously not lock every vehicle behind flag caps

[low vine]

hope they bring back attack boats from bf4 and the wave system etc and maps designed for that kinda of gameplay

[covert nest]

Yeah. +1 tank or LAV.

[versed token]

just additional ones beside your teams baseline amount

[vague barn]

Yeah fair, I can get behind that idea.

[weary mantle]

no meme i actually agree that was cool

[versed token]

Like how it is in bf4

[vague barn]

I haven't played BF4 is ages unfortunately.

[low vine]

also i think we should go back to vechicles spawning in base and not some mid air take off with the planes

[vague barn]

In fact I don't think I have played a Battlefield game in roughly half a year.

[versed token]

That unfortunately leads to em getting destroyed on spawn especially if your team gets trapped or the other team has good pilots

Yes even with AA in spawn

[low vine]

that can be avoided with good map design

[versed token]

Nah it's basically unavoidable

[vague barn]

Honestly, it makes more sense to me to have planes spawn mid-air.

[versed token]

unless your shit spawns in a bunker

[low vine]

nah there is no feeling to it, taking off from an aircraft carrier etc that sets up the mood differently

[feral garden]

Its lame and uber casual to have vehicles spawn in the air. BF really started going downhill when they started removing bases, airfields and aircraft carriers.

[low vine]

exactly

[vague barn]

Map in Switzerland with those in-mountain hangars, lessgo.

[vague barn]

Eh, I just don't find it reasonable on some maps given the size of the map itself.

But, I am not one to claim my opinions as objective truths.

[low vine]

aircarft carries can have automatic missile protection systems etc and if its placed properly in a good map design you cant "spawn" camp it that easily especially if is outside player area for the enemy team

even if you cant spawn there as a player but vehicles should be spawning on carries etc

[feral garden]

On BF4 maps (Like Rogue Transmission) it was risk/reward to capture, hold and spawn in the heli that one of the flags. Players never cared if someone killed them while taking off, it was just part of the game.

[vague barn]

Some form of SAM site would have to be present to shoot down enemy aircraft or munitions that come to close, but then the issue becomes how do you prevent the Planetside 2 issue of people poking out of the protected zone just long enough to get a shot off and then go back into the protected zone.

[weary mantle]

we had no problems in 1942/Vietnam/BF2. someone would spawn back at base and be the hero for a few minutes by destroying the pilot who's griefing main base

[feral garden]

since the heli actually spawned on the flag...enemy players could also steal it tho, which was also great.

[versed token]

I did that many times

[vague barn]

See, for helicopters that makes sense, but imo not for jets unless it's an airfield centric map

Akin to that one map in BFV.

[versed token]

Also sat at range with an rpg trained at it

[feral garden]

Same with jets in enemy bases, it was part of the fun to be able to steal their jets

[versed token]

It's fun until it just so happens that all your air gets stolen

[vague barn]

Exactly this.

[feral garden]

Yeah, but jets were always easy to take down when you actually try

[versed token]

Is it though when they have double the amount

[feral garden]

Its also just more fun and things to do in the sandbox. They steal your jet...time to shoot that fucker down!

[vague barn]

Isn't the maximum lock distance like 400 meters though? And the jets travel at a speed where they can escape from you before you even get a chance at a lock?

[feral garden]

Escape you and do what?

If they take your jets, they have nothing to fight, apart from minimal effectiveness against ground targets.

[vague barn]

Come back for another run, drop their ordnance/do the damage and then rinse and repeat before you get a lock.

[feral garden]

Like I said, these things were literally not an issue in past games. People just dramatize how bad it was.

[vague barn]

I don't remember it being an issue in BF4 in most instances, but in those few instances that it was an issue it was rather annoying.

Not trying to blow it out of proportion, just engaging in the discussion of hypotheticals.

Though, admittedly, I am a very infantry-centric player.

[olive solar]

Bro

Who is this guy in #battlefield-labs-news ?

That dude who wrote about battlefield VR

[calm nymph]

an infiltrator

[vague barn]

No idea, I am as confused as you are.

[olive solar]

Lmao

[feral garden]

My preference is the scenario that's more fun and less casual...while also enriching the feeling of the game. Use of a jet feels way better to me when you actually have to take off from a carrier/airfield.

[olive solar]

@silver oak come on. You gotta tell us more about you xd

[vague barn]

Fun is subjective, (un)fortunately, so other people will have different perceptions of the matter.

[feral garden]

Thast why I lead with "My preference" 😛

[vague barn]

I'm more of a realism oriented player personally, so to me it just doesn't make much sense to take off from the ground in a 5x5 km map for instance.

But, as I constantly have to remind myself, this is not Arma 3 (my beloved) but Battlefield.

[last lotus]

VR Battlefield. You mean War Dust? The VR battlefield that's currently dead? o3o

[vague barn]

Just trying to find a happy medium.

[noble jetty]

VR battlefield...jeez

[mossy marten]

VR anything is

[noble jetty]

tbh it'd just be a worse battlefield graphic wise and jets and stuff would be harder to control

[molten jacinth]

is there really someone who cares about Battlefield VR

[versed token]

Apparently

To me it's dead technology

[molten jacinth]

don't get why people would want this. Not like there isn't already war games in VR

[mossy marten]

There's a lot of individuals who want VR to be on everything and for every game

There were people in the DF discord pleading for it too, like

[wispy dagger]

Need direct feed into my nervous system a la the matrix

[molten jacinth]

i mean if they like to throw up that's on them but it's a waste of ressources honestly

especially after two BF that weren't big success

[mossy marten]

Agreed
It's such a niche hardware/interest that it doesn't make sense, just like porting a game to Mac

[woeful sluice]

As far as I know elemental attacks from folios aren't as effective as having a dedicated elemental materia. If that's what you had in mind.

I personally liked the open world but it's a preference thing.

[nimble bridge]

Well they aren't, but still I mostly use them to pressure enemies then use my stagger building moves. I use mana mostly for healing materias.

I used elemental materias for like less than 10 times in my 25 hour playthrough lol

[feral garden]

Did you play hard mode?

[nimble bridge]

No I'm playing on normal, I need to finish the game to unlock hard mode

[feral garden]

Folios become kinda usless outside of an easier elemental stagger on hard mode. You just do more damage with materia

[vague barn]

Well, looks like the message is gone from #battlefield-labs-news .

[feral garden]

Some of them are very usefull, especially againse groups of small enemies that are weak to an element

[mossy marten]

Like the new name

[olive solar]

Lol

[vague barn]

Still curious how it happened.

[mossy marten]

Prob a glitch that occurred with roles

[feral garden]

They probably were updating channels permissions, or adding bots to automate stuff...and the channel allowed posts for a few minutes while it was being changed.

[vague barn]

Yeah.

[unkempt surge]

Weekend homework ❤️

[late saddle]

[radiant jacinth]

if you sign up for the play labs pre alpha test it did not give me an option to choose wich platform and im on pc will they only send pc invnites ?

[vapid lava]

when will the labs invites be sent?

[radiant jacinth]

@vapid lava from what i just read in a few weeks it will just be randmly sent out

[vapid lava]

💀

[golden vortex]

as mentioned in #battlefield-labs-news

[mossy marten]

The email invites are under NDA themselves, so anyone mentioning they got one in here will probably be poofed

[vapid lava]

'bruh

so it looks like we won't even know unless we get one

[mossy marten]

Basically

[golden vortex]

That's how invites work. Imagine if I, for my birthday, should send "you are not invited this time around, but might be in the future" messages to everyone.

[woeful sluice]

Since you're on normal mode, running out of mana shouldn't be a big issue. You can use ether and Aerith's soul drain ability.

[vapid lava]

but it's like u will not even know that today or yesterday was my birthday as well as did i even celibrate and no-one is willing to tell u either

[woeful sluice]

A lot of bosses are immune to elemental damage but for some it will come in handy.

[vague barn]

I shall expect such a message from you whenever your birthday comes around.

[radiant jacinth]

is there a way to check if you already singed up cause i read in the info the improved the signed up process and may have to sign up again ?

[golden vortex]

It's a closed NDA protected alphatest.
You signup, if you get in you get a mail and if not you get nothing.

[vapid lava]

yah, but getting an email that says u are not selected is more preferable for me

[light condor]

With how public they have already made details of labs existing. I dont think sharing that you got an email will break the nda lmao

[cursive ridge]

Yes. That's how that works.

[cursive ridge]

Depends on the language of the NDA.

[vapid lava]

💀

[light condor]

And when I say sharing you got an email, I mean saying. "Hey, I got in the playtest"

[vague barn]

Even if they announce that they are having a playtest or share footage from such a playtest, you are still bound by your NDA and does not mean you are free to tell anyone that you partook or are free to share any of your own footage or details from such a test.

Obviously, the NDA document may state otherwise which brings us back to:

Read the NDA before signing

[light condor]

I didnt say anything about sharing footage my guy

Thats obvious lmao

I am saying, "hey, I got in"

[vague barn]

I know, I just decided to take your logic a little further.

[vague barn]

You still may be prevented from saying even that. Depending on what the NDA says.

[golden vortex]

They can invite people in as many rounds they want. Lets say they have 1,2 million that signed up and they invite new people 100 times during the testing. You really wanna spam people 120 million times per mail when people don't get in for that round? 😄

[light condor]

Of course, I am just spit balling here in the context of a publicly announced closed test

[vapid lava]

That's fair too 🗿

[light condor]

I remember the valve deadlock one. That was closed, invite only, and under an NDA. You were allowed to tell people, "I got invited and I got en email getting in". And that wasnt even supposed to be known about to the public

[feral garden]

1. You didnt.

2. EA Playtests NDAs cover the contents of emails relating to playtests. Including you inforimg of your inclusion.

[light condor]

I wasnt actually saying I got in silly....

Context. Context.

[vapid lava]

[light condor]

If I was, I wouldnt be sitting in here talking about it lol

[tough zinc]

fair

[plain bluff]

So have you guys solved the "The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest." error return?

I filled out the survey yesterday and I saw no upcoming playtests, but now I can't even get to that page

[long trail]

they said well test with alot amount of players so why well be nda ?

[plain bluff]

because it's not a finished product. that's why

[long trail]

but they share it with alot of ppls so

i dont know how excaly the numbers well test it

[plain bluff]

Absolutely not a factor. More people means more people are able to record and leak footage.

Under no circumstance under NDA is that allowed and is punishable

[random rampart]

So if i understand it the right way we will get Emails next week? If we get choosen for The BFLabs Test Programm?

[fleet robin]

in the coming weeks you'll get an email if selected

[hybrid karma]

• BF3 and BF4 level design
• BF3 and BF4 progression
• Upgrade Destruction/Levolution BF4
• BFV character movement, gunplay
• BFV fortifications and squad reinforcements
• BF1 ambiance/immersion

Since Sirland said they’re trying to cherry pick what worked best from previous titles here’s my feedback

[plain bluff]

Please add HARDLINE's ammo and health pickups from said classes' backpacks

[flint gyro]

who knows why I can't log into my ea play test account

[plain bluff]

You're getting the same error right? Where it sends you to "try again"? I signed up yesterday and completed the survey too

[flint gyro]

yep

[plain bluff]

I honestly wonder what's up with that

[flint gyro]

maybe because news appeared that some people gained access, people went to check and the servers crashed

[plain bluff]

the only mail i received yesterday (that I didnt see until now) is that "action was required" for preferences. and now it wont even let me change them

[long trail]

who works for 2042 they r same guys who working for next bf ?

[plain bluff]

yes and no. the teams' expanded

[random rampart]

Thx

[long trail]

2042 was teriible omg!

[ripe jackal]

@long trail let's hope they learned

[wispy dagger]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, 2042 was a battle royale that they hastily tried to turn into battlefield after some initial feedback was negative

My theory anyway

But that’s why there was no scoreboard, no squad selection on launch. No need for them in a BR

[spice moat]

not a theory, there was a report on it

[wispy dagger]

Was there? Do you mind forwarding it?

[spice moat]

they changed it as they didnt want to compete with apex

[wispy dagger]

Interested in reading it

[spice moat]

was a post jason schreier made about it on x ill have a look

sent it in DM

[ripe hornet]

recently reinstalled 2042 and uninstalled it after 1 day, probably the most boring BF i ever played and I had played bc2, bf3

[vast ice]

You don’t like all the BOTs and custom bot boost servers haha

[vast ice]

Yes they were competing against apex and then reverse their decision and did major late changes! Why we didn’t get classes ect! It was known

[wispy dagger]

I find myself among scholars then lol feel like I’ve been talking to a wall when talking to my friends about it

[plain bluff]

Many people aren't willing to discuss older titles and the general direction of the series anyway. I've had a discussion with a buddy just yesterday

We went from 1942 all the way to 2042 and reviewed all base game mechanics and additions... And man, they flip flop and do not keep some stuff around for God knows what reason

The underlying issue they had with BFBC2 is that "they don't understand why it's such a good game." This boils down to the approach to game making itself - and the direction they took was mobility

[wispy dagger]

One thing dice always seems to do is try to reinvent the wheel for sure

[plain bluff]

There wasn't much camping in BFBC2, to be entirely honest. And that lends itself to a few reasons:

• the inability to strafe while sprinting (this forces you to commit to a route)
• the inability to prone (keeps you moving)
• the destruction was done conservatively and allowed the devs to think about building placement

BFBC2 had that feeling of momentum that no other BF does to this day.

The other key issue we noted is the gunplay mechanics. From shot bloom and spread, to damage dropoffs, and modifiers through attachments

Hands down, the 3 games that have nailed gunplay from the get-go are

• BF3
• Hardline
• BFV

You simply know when a game has good gunplay

I could go on and on, but that'd be rambling and I dont feel like typing it here

[ripe hornet]

I remember the hype around BF3 when they released the teaser followed by some gameplay scenes. It looked surreal, graphics, how the soldiers moved through the scenes. it was a blast and revolution in the genre

[plain bluff]

Until we get home supercomputers, nothing will match the generational tech jump from BF2 to BC2/BF3

[signal vigil]

Excellently put man, one thing I really want back in this new Battlefield is a similar sense of that “momentum” that was felt in BFBC2. It added a huge layer of authenticity to the gameplay that I do miss. Hoping they really nail it in this new entry.

[plain bluff]

BC2 felt more intimate

[signal vigil]

I agree, I would add BF4 to this since hardline was basically built off it. BFBC2 felt clunky but in a good way?

[plain bluff]

I'm trying to decipher the psychology behind BC2 and it takes genuine effort

BF4 was an overregulated mess. CTE was a bit too much

[signal vigil]

lol, apperently the devs don’t even know what made bad company so fun 😂

[plain bluff]

even back then DICE was starting to show signs of creative bankcurptcy concerning gunplay

[signal vigil]

I see what you mean. I’m talking about the final end product. After it all, it was truly a fun experience

[plain bluff]

I honestly couldn't bare the "choice slop" of weapons and vehicle upgrades it "provided"

Choices for the sake of being choosable is the epitomy of feature creep

[signal vigil]

Choice slop is interesting. I never felt it was bad to have lots of different “things” to get your hands on in BF4

Very interesting take man

[plain bluff]

if it had -20% of the maximum by the end of the lifecycle, it would have been excellent

But by adding so many guns, you get overlaps, completely useless weapons, generalized weapon metas and such. it sucks the fun out of the game

[signal vigil]

So, you would like a more focused selection of choices instead of an abundance

[plain bluff]

Branching weapons i'd completely support

[brittle meadow]

K

[nimble bridge]

It will be fine as long as we won't get gunsmithing slop

All BF games had clone weapons

It's inevitable

[plain bluff]

Functionally speaking an M16A3 and M416 fill the exact same role. the only way they'd differ is fire rate. at this point you'd have to modify the accuracy stats...

[nimble bridge]

Even clones are varied such as MAS44 and Turner SMLE, Turner can have 20 round mag while MAS44 has far less recoil for example

[plain bluff]

I might've overblown the weapon availability concern, but BF4 felt bloated

That was the word I was looking for

[nimble bridge]

It works like that in 2042 too, M416 had less spread in BF3 afaik than M16 at the expense of fire rate

[plain bluff]

Funny, because the weapon model they use has an 11.5 inch barrel, compared to the 20 inch M16 one

[leaden ice]

Destruction from BC2 wdym

[crimson saddle]

I have an error that SHow me :

The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest.

[leaden ice]

I have yet to play a game with better destruction then that of BFBC2 and red faction guerrilla

[torpid flare]

cant sign up to bf labs it gives me error "oops"

[frosty mountain]

Servers must be down or are updating.

Not letting me see my playtest options anymore either. Just a big OPPS!

[long minnow]

Do we know when they'll send out the emails for labs?

[bold crystal]

Next few weeks

[long minnow]

Aight, perfect. Thanks mate

[mossy marten]

No, and if they send them out, pretty sure the emails themselves are under NDA, so any mentions here will get you Thanos'd

just assuming

[cursive ridge]

#battlefield-labs-news

[cursive dagger]

Whats in them probably is, but saying you have one I doubt

[heady thorn]

[mossy marten]

[heady thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-pudgy-pudgypenguins-gaming-hardcore-gif-17896300647769504100

[pallid coral]

Why did #battlefield-labs-news light up but there's no news in it

[heady trail]

Any news on the play tests?

And is psn back?

[mossy marten]

Because there was a glitch and a random user was able to post in there this morning
Have screenshot, but no perms

[pallid coral]

Oh lolol

[mossy marten]

So it was deleted by an admin

[pallid coral]

Send me in dms this sounds funny

[mossy marten]

Sent request

[vague barn]

It was someone talking about VR Battlefield.

[pallid coral]

That's crazy, how does one even get perms to that channel XD

[mossy marten]

Sometimes it just happens 🤷‍♂️
Discord be bugging

[pallid coral]

Lol

[vagrant gorge]

Is the bf labs sign up broken?

[spice ether]

for me yes

[signal vigil]

It’s also showing an error for me

[old anchor]

Yeah they said you aren't getting in

Sorry to tell you

It was only you too, everyone else got in

[heady trail]

damn oh well

[silk glade]

If I realized I can go to a labs in North America, and not just from my PC, can I change it?

[pallid coral]

You can change your profile preference to at home + in person

Then you'll get more relevant Playtest

I don't think you can change ur labs survey tho

[rustic crest]

https://youtu.be/E-0E2U9PTu0?si=aK2Npqgcda1RNjsM

^^PlayStation players today ^^

[heady trail]

its back on now

[rustic crest]

Nice. What year was it when PlayStation went down for like 20+ days. Crazy man

[bleak scarab]

Okay so I'm not the only one with the error. It won't even let me sign up in the first place, even after logging in successfully overall

I'm personally keeping my expectations low, but honestly I'm a bit curious to see how it goes if the sign in stuff gets resolved

[topaz current]

Are inscriptions closed? For me I have an error if I try to register

[jovial raven]

2011

I hope that the outage serves as an example that tells other devs NOT to force their games to be online only, even when they have modes that can serve for offline like Campaign

One chunk of your player base dissapears in the blink of an eye if they pull something like that

[heady trail]

I got infamous for free lol, good times

[gritty hearth]

Is this SUPPOSED to happen?

[rustic crest]

Yeh i remember tyna play bro bros ps and it was fuuuucked 🤣🤣

[crisp marsh]

is signups full

[languid sphinx]

They did not make the process for how signing up or testing works clear enough for our dumb battlefield brains.

[heady thorn]

[crisp marsh]

wow i just seen the teaser

this is gonna be epic

prolly not gonna be a playtester but will def buy the game when it is ready

[tepid plinth]

no, they'll add more over time but signing up gives everyone an equal chance to be picked

[hallow escarp]

do you guys beleive in the febuary 12th theory

[wispy dagger]

Yes

[crisp marsh]

That teaser was enough for me, i am sold. but a system, i would like to see is 2 level progression systems with its own rewards separate from multiplayer for bot play for the people that are not fortunate enough to live in areas with good internet connection to play these large battles on, me being one of them always having warnings about my internet being slow in multiplayer.

[wispy dagger]

Pump the brakes

[tepid plinth]

interested that you are sold by such a short clip

doesn't take much to grab people I guess

[wispy dagger]

We haven’t seen much of anything

[wispy dagger]

I think people are just desperate for a successful new battlefield

[crisp marsh]

yes i know but i had flashs of BF4

[wispy dagger]

I’m definitely cautiously optimistic

2042 burned me

[tepid plinth]

I mean I just saw a simple m4, some semi urban map and some skins, hardly enough to tell me much

[wispy dagger]

Beta was atrocious, we were told it was a 3 month old build and then it launches with all the exact same issues

[mossy marten]

temper your expectations until actual gameplay is shown 🙏

[wispy dagger]

I do agree that it seems like they’re going in the right direction

And this battlefield labs, if they utilize it correctly, could be a great thing for the community

[crisp marsh]

ok guys\ i will i'm just excited this year for games is massive and i may have a bit of an addiction to playing videogames

[wispy dagger]

But I truly think one of the main things that they need to do is allow privately run servers

Modding would go far as well

But EA seems to be against both since they want all the control

[crisp marsh]

that could be why they made bf labs

to maybe cross section that topic\

tho modding can go bad and good

[mossy marten]

battlefield labs is just a testing environment

not an actual game modding tool

[wispy dagger]

I only see good with mods personally

Because you only play with ones you want to play with

But the option allows so much more community involvement

[crisp marsh]

i mean yeah but i mint involving the community aspect of labs

[wispy dagger]

I WISH they’d do something like that for honor battle map

I played with a group on 3 back in the day that would organize team games and had a live battle map

So whoever won the “battle” day would capture that part of the map

[crisp marsh]

i mean i hope its done right if modding becomes a thing i can see cheaters arising and mod menus enless they had a integrty system before joining and a built in mod catalog

map builder would be cool

anyway it was cool chating 🙂

[wispy dagger]

A map builder would be awesome but I don’t think we’ll ever see that much control

[crisp marsh]

it would be cool\

i can see nuketown being made tho

lmao

[quaint lynx]

if theres a br ill kms

or anime skins or whatever after a month of release like cod

[minor linden]

BR is pretty much guaranteed sadly

[wispy dagger]

I don’t see a problem with there being a BR

As long as it’s free and not connected to the game

Firestorm was actually pretty fun just impossible to find players

[zealous brook]

you should check pubg playerbase 😉 and how old it is bf can be on of the best br games if they dont fukk it up

[manic gate]

EA's ceo sort of hinted in that direction at the investor call, I feel like they're absolutely working on some sort of version of UGC

basically BF's own halo forge, except idk if it will be as in-depth as that lol

make the most voted maps in the official map rotation and appear in the server browsers

[wispy dagger]

I really hope so

Private servers hopefully too

A good server with good moderation team will prevent the inevitable cheaters

[quick bluff]

hello i cant sign up for the playtest it doesnt allow me to

is it full

[hazy narwhal]

"The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest."??

[quick bluff]

yessir thats the one

[hazy narwhal]

very confused here as well

[floral tusk]

Hola

[ancient lark]

I think all (many) of us are getting that error. I have signed up, but now I cannot get into the site. I think the sign up / sign in are down right now. I wouldn't say full however.

[quick bluff]

so just wait till tomorrow i guess

[ancient lark]

Yeah, or perhaps Monday when staff are back in the office

Just realized it might be Sunday your time.. yeah.. tomorrow. 8)

[nimble bridge]

Reminder: https://youtu.be/jN_c_cpSRSg

[wispy dagger]

Honestly we should have known with the fully cinematic trailers

[rocky dune]

its honestly not that bad of an idea
BRs are fun, optional, and cater to wider audiences
not like it’ll change the whole identity of battlefield—COD let that happen to em, and you can see what that did to their numbers over on BO6

[rocky dune]

that one EA AI shtick seems promising?

[clear viper]

I just hope it's not generative AI. If it's generative AI that sucks and is also horrible for the environment

Something like Halo Forge would be really cool

[boreal talon]

hopefully something of the sort, maybe even allow players to create custom factions and Playermodels along side it, and we can use assets pulled from portal

imagine, a dedicated group of players creating full scale maps

[last lotus]

It could use something like Portal

I think CoD did that one

[mental crown]

Can we not register anymore?

[young pier]

we should be able to but getting errors

[mental crown]

I get an error at the register site

[clear viper]

That'd be a nice way for them to bring back the love that modding communities once had without all the security risks that come with it

[pallid coral]

yeah its been down the whole day

[mental crown]

maybe try again tomorrow :/

[young pier]

Imagine EA stops being a greedy company and actually listens to their consumers

[pallid coral]

honestly greed is fine from a company but i just wanna play a good game as a user

[young pier]

its becoming like Playstations network being down for 16 hours

[pallid coral]

just make good games, and collect the rewards = money

[clear viper]

I'm all for ea hate but wtf does that have to do with a website error lmao

[young pier]

Im all for great games that EA makes

[pallid coral]

i never hated EA, only was a little disappointed in their games
im sure some people hate EA for their own reasons, but for me im not one to compare these games that much i just enjoy a game for what it is usually

like i bought 2042 knowign what im coming in for, i took my ~40h in the 2042 beta as a benchmark and i had a blast and so i bough it. played ~200h in the launch game for ~2 seaons and had my moneys worth. what else can i ask for

[nimble bridge]

I hate them for killing Visceral

[last lotus]

Yeah their death was pretty visceral

[nimble bridge]

[pallid coral]

im sure they've done things as a business that's not "fair" or ethical to some but like

tbh im just a player bro 💀 i just wanna enjoy the game fuck the company politics

[nimble bridge]

I'm a Dead Space player and I've been starving since 2013

Remake is alright but I would rather want Motive to make a new Dead Space honestly

[covert nest]

Unfortunately company politics gets in the way of games. :)))

[nimble bridge]

If only they weren't sent to Battlefield mines just like Visceral

[pallid coral]

ur not wrong

honestly many im fortunate enough to just see through those for most games which makes games way more enjoyable for me

i have friends who constantly yap about the game's company and why its this and that, even when they're enjoying the game they're still making it unfun for others lol

[teal dune]

Will russia be in the new battlefield aswell?

[manic gate]

Probably a PMC instead of directly them

[woeful sluice]

DS2 probably not happening

[teal dune]

Damn f politics

[nimble bridge]

I don't want DS2, I want DS4 😭

[woeful sluice]

Same. It ended in a cliffhanger and since it never got a sequel, we have to assume the worst 😭

[pallid coral]

why do u want death stranding 4 when 2 isn't even out yet

[nimble bridge]

I meant Dark Souls 4 though

[pallid coral]

Oh

[long trail]

They said we back to classic army vs army , I hope

[vague barn]

I suppose I am the only one currently here who is really intrigued by the unorthodox M4A1 in the gameplay clips...

It just looks so odd to not have that front sight block that's so characteristic of M4 platform rifles, but still having the regular KAC RAS handguard, an A2 birdcage, and the MaTech rear BUIS which afaik was only introduced as part of the M4A1+ (PIP) project. The EOTech XPS3 is pretty straight forward for a modern FPS, though I can't help but wonder about the inclusion of both the rear and forward BUIS modelled on the rifle even with the EOTech equipped.

[celest forum]

Really hoping we get invites soon. Granted I'm not gonna tell anyone if I do but I'm hoping we start getting some soon

[nimble bridge]

I'm not gonna tell anyone if I do but I will leak it to anonymous imageboards

[pallid coral]

welp there goes ur chance

[twin fractal]

I believe most active combat units in the US military have swapped to the M4A1 Block II which doesn't have the iconic front sight. Which does depending on the mission availability get clashed with older GWOT era attachments

[cursive nymph]

around 2009/2010 rangers swapped from block 1.5 to block 2

u could even see some mk16's with underbarrels GL

soo its really up to what unit we see in the teaser

and they look awfully british xd

[pallid coral]

Not me literally refreshing my email every 3 minutes looking like a 🤡

[vague barn]

I was under the impression that Block 2 was exclusively issued to SOF/SF units and not the average joe in the field.

[vague barn]

They do look very British, I know that the British long-barrel L119A1's in some cases had a low profile gas block.

[twilit pilot]

"What was your mission in shanghai!?!??!" 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[vague barn]

The transport of illegally acquired radioactive material to an unspecified buyer.

[twilit pilot]

LOL

[lost gale]

It's totally enough checking once or twice a day mate

[long trail]

What about 124 players for next bf well be there? I like it if they fix it little bit

[vague barn]

I'm quite sure it will be 64 players max, and coincidentally I am also hoping for that to be the case.

128 players was a mistake.

[long trail]

It was mistake not cuz 128 cuz the maps not equal for the numbers isnt it?

[vague barn]

It was a mistake because 128 players required maps that were large enough to accommodate 128 players and interesting enough to not just result in one or two points being fought over. Additionally, having maps designed for 128 players generally made them unsuitable for 64 player modes.

So yesn't. The mistake was 128 player centered maps, not the 128 player count itself.

I have no idea if that makes sense, I just woke up and am still slightly groggy.

[steel torrent]

no

I rather have a smaller scale map with more details, more destruction etc than going back to 128

128 player mode/maps felt horrible, dead, uninspired,

[pulsar osprey]

I still believe 128P can work if the game is actually built around it.

[maiden bolt]

Less is more

[foggy turtle]

Does anyone else keep getting an error while trying to log in?

[empty mantle]

yes

[foggy turtle]

okay good, atleast its not only me

[empty mantle]

tried multiple times and looked arround and aint seen anything abt it

[foggy turtle]

firefox or?

[south hatch]

I was trying it on safari and it not works there

[supple elbow]

I don't wanna ruin the discussion but is there a single mod watching over this channel to tell us WTF is going on with logging into EA labs, the error messages and their fckn preferences mails etc?

[tepid plinth]

From what I can gather, sign ups are over

[supple elbow]

I signed up first day...

They sent a mail to update my preferences or some sht and all I got was errors while trying to log in.

[south hatch]

I mean I’m pretty sure they would tell us if it’s over or not

[supple elbow]

And no way to know if there's a problem with the site or sth

[tepid plinth]

Try accessing it from the playtesting site directly as opposed to the email, maybe that might do something?

Not sure. I would have imagined they would message out saying it’s done too

Or it could simply be that everyone is flocking to the playtest site trying to find out more info and it’s now breaking that

[teal dune]

thats what she said

[stark ermine]

😐

comedy gold :p

[foggy turtle]

I tried accessing it here https://ea.arcsivr.com/Portal/ea-cte/default and https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-labs and I've already been doing surveys and such before

[teal dune]

[stark ermine]

:p

[twilit pilot]

ⁿ⁰

[steel torrent]

Having "your application had some issues, please try again" error. Anyone else?

[nimble bridge]

I want 80 or 96 player modes

Frontlines XXL

[feral garden]

Keep that chaos/XXL crap to 2042.

[nimble bridge]

20vs20 frontlines is smol

It needs at least 32vs32 imo

[feral garden]

"Come play modes that are laggy and dont work because the servers cant handle them, im sure it wont make our game look bad" - 2042 designers

[grave hawk]

battlefield vr would be so shit ngl

thats just straight up facts

1 minute and you are already vomiting

[hot geyser]

Registration for Battlefield Labs has now closed.

[nimble bridge]

Battlefield VR but suppression exists

[dense path]

Damm, I'm looking forward to receiving the email invitation

[feral garden]

People saying this are lying.

Labs sign up has not ended

[manic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[twilit pilot]

Lmao

Pretty sure it's still up

[hot geyser]

I was told that on X but I guess it's just broken

Man I hate X

What posion

Poison

[feral garden]

Lying isnt exclusive to X, nor is gullibility

[hot geyser]

What is the purple mark for?

I was in a playtest for 2042 in the spring before it came out so I'm guessing the next play test may be a little bit

Middle of June

I was in the playtest in the middle of June shortly after the first trailer

[feral garden]

Labs playtests start in the next few weeks

[hot geyser]

Bsod what is the purple mark?

[feral garden]

Server regular

[steep meadow]

Who's thinking that Battlefield will be delayed to next year?

[hot geyser]

Ahh okay

[manic gate]

superior role basically

[hot geyser]

Aussie it may because of GTA

[steep meadow]

Yeah

[hot geyser]

But I'll get both anyway

[manic gate]

They'll let people obtain it again soon

[feral garden]

A later release date for next game doesnt matter. All that matters is the game releases when its ready

[hot geyser]

Love your name lol

[steep meadow]

Plus more time for the developers to finish off getting rid of bugs and glitches.

[manic gate]

Thanks

[hot geyser]

Man I've been playing since 1942, one of my first PC game experiences along with Medal of honor allied assault. I'm just really excited

Anyone play Squad?

Omg I bought Reece's covered popcorn want to try it so bad lmao

Awesome I'm in SOF

Squad is such a great game. Same with squad44

[vague barn]

I tried Squad and Squad 44 but they never really roped me in. It's far too bland and "on rails" for my liking.

[tacit crane]

The playtesting site was down an hour ago, is it still down?

[versed token]

They will know

and if they don't they will get removed from playtesting

[vague barn]

Could you enlighten me as to what you mean by "CPT"?

Ah, I see.

I think you have a point in that most people signing up for Battlefield Labs will just want to see the game and not really take an active interest in the playtesting part of it. However, I do believe that a significant portion of the community who have signed up and hopefully will be included in the playtesting will provide crucial and instrumental feedback, akin to BF4's CTE. In a way, playtesting is like the military, you need riflemen just as much as you need commanders, recce, TUAS, etc etc, translated into FPS terms; you need people from a drastically varied background to play the game, even if they do not provide anything of decisive value, in order for those who do provide decisive feedback to have a foundation for their feedback.

Having every single person involved in playtesting submit feedback, I imagine, isn't what EA/Battlefield Studios are expecting. They probably are expecting those that genuinely care about the game to submit feedback, and use those who don't submit feedback as a "filler".

Wild speculation of course.

Likewise, I am hoping that it will turn out good, but I am not expecting much.

[dry grotto]

Honestly wish they can have some maps honour the Battlefield 2

[viral dragon]

is the EA playtesting website dead

[vague barn]

Afaik, there are issues with signing in at present.

[cunning chasm]

I have feelings of 2042 😭

i was in this games before

[viral dragon]

hmm ok, cause im just trying to get onto the regular EA playtesting website (that has existed for a long time) and it still gives a sign in error

[dry grotto]

l e a k s

[feral garden]

I would imagine that the NDA is to protect themself legally, and allow them to kick breachers without issue. Opening it to randoms in the general public, they already know that things will leak/be posted online.

[dry grotto]

I believe not much people read NDA

[viral dragon]

if you put your signature on something i assume you at least read it

[dry grotto]

it could be a kind publicity

[vague barn]

I mean, there's plenty of people who'll just slap their signature on any piece of paper someone tells them to sign without reading.

[dry grotto]

Show devs will actually improve the game by player wishes

[viral dragon]

in that case they might be stupid

[vague barn]

Welcome to the internet. Have a look around.

[feral garden]

They already told us that what was tested, and the results of that testing will be posted publicly.

[quartz lion]

Yeah its not working for me at the moment

[dry grotto]

T e r m s o f U s e

I can guarantee 98% of people never try to read Terms of Use

[viral dragon]

you got me on this one

i mean who does tbh

[quartz lion]

Guilty as charged

[dry grotto]

when they need to

i.e. when something goes wrong

[viral dragon]

i only read tos for paypal n stuff

[feral garden]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[vague barn]

Speaking of "kick breachers"... Door Kickers 2 is releasing fully tomorrow.

[clever kite]

please allow private servers with mods without any restrictions.
I want make warhammer mod

[dry grotto]

Battlefield 2 is like ancient history

no mod

[vague barn]

I have serious doubts mods will be allowed in any modern Battlefield, however cool that would be.

Map editor could be fun though.

[dry grotto]

oh yeah

[feral garden]

It will never happen, due to anti cheat

[vague barn]

I'm sort of semi-half maybe hoping that we get some kind of map editor in the next Battlefield game. Not by any means expecting it, but just thinking/hoping for it.

[versed token]

That's a bunch of extra work for 0 return

[vague barn]

Yep!

Or, they could have map competitions and stuff similar to Red Orchestra 2.

Eh, wishful thinking, I suppose.

[pearl tundra]

Any solution to 'The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest.' when trying to sign up

[versed token]

Nope

[pearl tundra]

Classic EA

[heady thorn]

[cedar flax]

I'm the only one who doesn't have a site for testers working?
It just says "oops".

[stoic hinge]

no

[cedar flax]

Thanks, I thought it was only me who had this problem

[stoic hinge]

been like that for me whole weekend

[golden plaza]

I've done a bunch of EA Playtests, been involved in BF4 CTE and going back to 2006 was involved in the 1st beta for BF2142, and done pretty much every BF Beta / Technical Playtest and by far the biggest difference between BF2142/BF4 CTE and nowadays is the feedback loop. In 06 for BF2142, there was essentially roundtables regarding specific gameplay elements and topics. The feedback given by testers here helped DICE to implement a multitude of changes to boost performance or rebalance gameplay. This all before release. Things like Titan static weapons were radically changed just months before release and this was done just based on tester feedback. The UI was also radically changed as it was unintuitive. BF4 CTE followed a similar path but was more data orientated on DICE's side when it came to making balance changes. In the end it still worked but 2-way dialogue was limited between tester & developer (or Co-ordinator) at least compared to BF2142. Now compare that with the technical playtest for BF2042 and current EA playtests where the feedback loop took place on EA's forums, it is beyond poor. Anyone trying to collate meaningful data and feedback there is at a loss but I don't think (in the case of BF2042) they were anticipating or wanting the level of written feedback that was given via the EA forums. I truly believe they were just interested in monitoring the match data and analysing that way. As cautiously excited as I am for another Battlefield title and a hopeful return to form, my own hope is a new approach to collating feedback and data, taking the time to focus on particular aspects of gameplay and performance to gain a better idea of the state of play. If they do it like this; and make it easy and clear to do so then you won't have to worry about the potential of testers not giving feedback. Continued access should be tied to tester feedback too imo.

tldr; make it so easy to give feedback then it's not a problem

[wispy dagger]

TLDR it’s this guys fault 2042 was no good

Joking

[vague barn]

I think Battlefield Studios are in for a series of major challenges; (1) finding a way to make it easy to provide feedback, (2) finding a good way to extract useful information from the feedback, (3) collating the gathered information into actionable information to make changes.

I commend the thought behind Battlefield Labs, but I can't picture it going exceptionally well. There's going to be so many points of friction.

[noble hazel]

Labs registration no longer opens

Now going to the site is already reporting errors if I sign in

[golden plaza]

agreed hence why participation should be tied to feedback

[golden plaza]

bro I couldn't even get into a lobby on 2042 TPT, that was about the extent of my feedback; but the forums were littered with with threads like "Crash loading game!", "Crashing all the time!!!!". Absolutely nothing useable there but at the same time apart from the crash reporter there was no way to give repro steps to the crash that was tied to a log

[wispy dagger]

I’m just messing with you

[golden plaza]

ik ik

[wispy dagger]

lol

Hopefully the test is this week though

I have an itch that needs to be scratched

[golden plaza]

I hope to be involved too! Having a good time playing BF4 in the meantime.. just can't shake the bad feeling they will close these games servers whenever BF6 is released given it is rumoured/ semi-confirmed to go back to this modern era of battlefield

[serene silo]

Anyone else having issues signing up for labs ? Keep getting error when trying to sign in

[gaunt gulch]

guys i cant sign up for labs. anyone else having the same problem?

[serene silo]

Yes , I’m in the same boat

[gaunt gulch]

hope they fix it pls. im eager to join the labs

[serene silo]

Almost worth sitting in a 30hr queue

[nimble bridge]

It might happen if GTA 6 comes out this year, everything will be delayed

[gaunt gulch]

i have hopes for the next game, bf5 was good

[hard zinc]

So are y’all saying the testing wasn’t last week like they said it was going to be?

[signal vigil]

It was never said that testing was happening last week. It was stated that playtesting is happening in “the next few weeks” so maybe in 1 or 2 weeks from now is when email invitations should be rolling out

[hard zinc]

Why would they give dates and times to sign up for on the 6th and 7th then?

I sent you the screenshot

[signal vigil]

They are testing other games too. I got a survey for testing on the 18th-20th. No confirmation if it’s for Battlefield tho

[hard zinc]

Oh okay.

[signal vigil]

Yeah

We still gotta wait 🥲

[fleet robin]

yeah having a playtesting account means you'll be contacted for various playtests

you also should not share the contents of those emails as they fall under nda

[spice bramble]

Is there someone here that could help me verify something?

There's a voice line in the Labs trailer and I'm not sure whether it's new or from BF3

[balmy oracle]

Anyone else getting the same error? Trying to sign up from my mobile device.

OOPS!
The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest.

[zinc sundial]

me too

[heady trail]

Same

I got an email for the playtest

And i cant even access labs

[neon violet]

@balmy oracleI get the same message even though I've been to the screen that states: "You're all signed up" or something like that.

[lost gale]

Yeah before it said: There's currently no play Tests available

[wispy dagger]

I think gta 6 will be delayed

[lime yacht]

Anyone else getting that error?

OOPS!
The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest.

[hybrid karma]

It’s just you

[tepid plinth]

almost everyone

according to all the messages above

[long trail]

cuz bf 😄

[wispy dagger]

Nah lol I wish but I just think they will be

[pallid coral]

Bru it's only been like 6 days since we got the surgery lol how would they have already selected people

[hoary sinew]

Bruh, im still trying to get access to my university email that my EA account is linked too😂😂

I found a way, but waiting for the school IT to respond again

[sudden lodge]

Not exactly, tried to use PlayStation account told me it was already in use somehow, so have to use EA account instead

[sudden lodge]

And before anyone says it, didn’t say you needed it to exclusively be a EA account, unless it does then I’m an idiot

[fierce blaze]

Question: a week ago i would click a link and it would take me to a queue of 287,000 people. Now today i cannot find where that page is. The sign up to news letter page is all i can find. Wasn’t there a early access or being part of the play testing a part of the reason why there was a queue?

[pallid coral]

https://ea.arcsivr.com/Portal/ea-cte/default

It was this I think

But now I don't think it works for a lot of people

[knotty wind]

nah

it just gives me errors

[versed token]

Site hasn't worked for awhile now

don't worry about it

[dapper sentinel]

huh? isnt this the site?
https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-labs

[pallid coral]

It's the same thing

When you click sign up it should get to the page I linked

[dapper sentinel]

I see

So if it doesnt work then they probably closed sign up for now

I tried signing into my account and it just gives me an error and to try again, so Im not sure whats going on... maybe the system is down?

[fierce blaze]

Thanks for that guys. So its not my issue finding it. Its unfindable 😂

[pallid coral]

Might've been closed temporarily or just an error that they haven't been able to fix and usually game companies don't like doing big changes/fixes near the weekend so we'll probs know on Monday

[heady trail]

The application has encountered an error. It doesn't appear to have affected your data. Lets start againtest.

i get invited to a playtest and now i can't even check

[pallid coral]

you should probably not be saying that

[wispy dagger]

I don’t think there’s an NDA for saying you got invited to one

[pallid coral]

Well you better hope not

[wispy dagger]

lol I didn’t say anything

[stray veldt]

none of us here are in the playtest yet so he'll be fine 🙂

[pulsar latch]

I play it just at the moment

[brazen obsidian]

NDA includes the contents of the email, scroll to the bottom

Idk if that applies only after you sign it but better safe than sorry ya know

[fleet robin]

yes there absolutely is

if you're invited that'll be through an email, and you can't share the contents of those emails

esp not in the official discord lol

[vale burrow]

yes the "contents" of the email that usually means that you cant leak the start date etc

that doesnt necessarily mean you cant say that you 'got' a email saying you got invited

[fleet robin]

the "contents" also includes them telling you that you're invited, everything

[vale burrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet robin]

i wouldn't test it but it's up to you i guess

[vale burrow]

yea i agree but you can guarantee atleast a couple people will say they got invites

bound to happen same with a gameplay leak from said test, god knows how many people signed up with burners

[faint night]

i will not leak gameplay footage

[fleet robin]

a bunch of people have been saying it

doing my best to tell them they shouldn't lmao

[vale burrow]

fair

[rancid badge]

Just coming off Warzone for the night and my mate says, oh by the way Ive got a download for Battlefield Labs, Its currently downloading? This is on playstation it apparently just appeared in his downloads!!! Might be BS as he knows BF is my jam.....

[hybrid karma]

Are EA staff active here ? Would be awesome to chitchat :>

[fleet robin]

he's definitely bullshitting, the playtest hasn't started yet

likely not for some weeks

[blissful jolt]

There's no download for BF labs right now

[rancid badge]

Seems strange he would say that as I asked him repeatedly and he was adamant. Ill let you know tomorrow

[blissful jolt]

The tests will be in controlled sessions

[feral garden]

And it 100% wont just appear on their PS downloads.

[blissful jolt]

Otherwise there's no point

[rancid badge]

I know I know. But maybe its a pre loading thing before the chosen few get access. Ill be pised if hes BSing me

[pallid coral]

And he didn't get an email about the "instructions" as some EA admins have said you would

[spice bramble]

Sucks it will take weeks to see a playtest

[pallid coral]

Honestly I've done enough pranks to my friends about betas (not under NDA) that I've gotten into but he hasn't so I can relate to your friend if he's tryna tease you

[olive solar]

Are people allowed to record and publish while taking part of the test?

[rancid badge]

Oh Ill relate to him alright, with my size 10 up his butt

[pallid coral]

Nope

[pallid coral]

😵‍💫

[olive solar]

Bruh there are gonna be some leaks definitely lmao

[pallid coral]

Maybe 🤷

[olive solar]

But prob like 144p on purpose

[spice bramble]

They said they would periodically update us on progress made in playtests. Do you guys think ot will just be patch notes or game footage too?

[olive solar]

And black Bar all over the screen for no reason xd

[golden vortex]

Also, there' will be a bunch of fake news, wrong "extrapolations" and people just trolling

[pallid coral]

I think it's supposed to be like a test "recap" so probably like after a few tests we'll get this recap saying blah blah we tested this and it worked and what we'll test next ect

[spice bramble]

We'll have to see

I even realized I got invited to BF V closed alpha back in the day and didn't actually participate

[pallid coral]

[spice bramble]

Tom Henderson is awfully quiet, he better say somethin soon

[pallid coral]

who

[vague barn]

Guy who deals in leaks, did a fair bit on Battlefield 2042 in terms of publishing leaks.

[spice bramble]

touche

He did say BF2042 is going to be amazing or something like that though

[pallid coral]

oh

[vague barn]

Tbh the vast majority of Battlefield fans seems to have Führerbunker mindset when it comes to new releases.

Putting far too much hope and confidence in a single, final last push to come and save the day.

Which, of course, as the record shows, it rarely does.

Self-moderation of expectations is exceptionally poor in FPS fans generally.

[pallid coral]

IMO vast majority of the active BF fans looking forward to the new BF are just hoping for a BF3/BF4 remaster LOL

[vague barn]

Pretty much. I can't say I blame them though.

[pallid coral]

I see where they're coming from but god help please don't give me a BF3/BF4 remaster this soon

I'd definitely prefer a new game than a remaster

[vague barn]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a remade Battlefield 4 (I never played Battlefield 3) following the same sort of recipe. Very near future, grounded in current or emerging equipment, extensive arsenal of weapons and attachments, etc etc.

[pallid coral]

I find it a little cheap and out-of-ideas mindset to just remaster the peak of a series. I understand that most of the old BF devs don't exist anymore but I hate what COD does by just remaking old titles, feels like they're just milking the fuck out of their games at this point

BF4 and BF3 were amazing games, and I certainly hope they take inspiration and the good bits from those games. I just don't want a full remaster just yet

[vague barn]

Oh, they shouldn't copy it 1:1 by any stretch, but the general formula should be similar imo. I don't have an interest in a literal touched up Battlefield 4 with just better graphics and movement mechanics and what have you.

I guess "remaster"/"remade" might be the wrong choice of words on my part.

[pallid coral]

Oh no I think those words just get confused in general :p yeah what you're saying is totally sound I would love them to consider the general formula cuz it definitely worked well for them

[vague barn]

Exactly.

Granted, I am a current-near future military tech junkie, so there's some bias here.

Like, I might be the only one here with this opinion but god do I despise the T-UGS model still being used.

I'd prefer some of the Exensor devices to replace that thing.

Nitpicking, I know, but the T-UGS is ancient at this point.

[balmy sphinx]

I doubt tests are even happening yet lmao, anyone saying they got in already are preaching about snake oil.

[fierce blaze]

Wouldn’t take long for there to be snips and cuts all over youtube, reddit, tiktok and other socials. Nothings out yet.

[balmy sphinx]

if I got in, the last place i would choose to flex my access is the battlefield discord😂

dont fall for bs the game will be out when its out

[fierce blaze]

Thats it

[median pilot]

My dream Battlefield game:
Bad Company 1/2 Destruction, Battlefield 3/4 character aesthetic, Battlefield 1 atmosphere and graphics, Battlefield 5 movement, and lastly 2042s plus system for gun customization during gameplay.

[vague barn]

I'm unironically disgusted by the plus system from 2042.

[balmy sphinx]

whatever the michanics are, I hope they stay in the series long term in stead of only being in one game. Makes actual zero sense to me why the battlefield games all have such different takes on movement guns and vehichles.

[vague barn]

It removes so much need for forethought and makes pretty much every gun an all-in-one package.

[median pilot]

I see where your coming from, definitely requires better balance if they do bring it back.

[vale burrow]

even then i didn’t like using it

felt so mid

[vague barn]

I guess if there was some animation for switching the devices, e.g. QD mounts for optics, I could maybe tolerate it.

[dense creek]

I'm going to assume they'll announce when they start sending invites

[vague barn]

Time will tell.

[median pilot]

That would be awesome 👌

[balmy sphinx]

they gave us the plus system for gun customization and there wasnt that many attatchments lmao

[vague barn]

Yeah, because I know in 2042 it's just like "Oh you want to switch from a really CQB centered rifle to a pseudo-marksman rifle, just hold T for a bit, click some bits and bobs, and then go through a reequip animation"

So incredibly stupid and uninteresting.

[balmy sphinx]

i liked gun customization in BF4, just wish it was actually fixed and most attachments didn't make your gun worse

brothers it is bumping on BF3 pc rn. TBG server join up

[wispy dagger]

Because it was designed with a BR in mind

[median pilot]

Yes, agreed. We need some consistency with the movement mechanics. I was irritated that they removed something as simple as leaning with your weapon.

[dense creek]

BF2/2142 Commander Mode
BC1/2 Destruction
BF3 Aesthetic & Voice Acting
BF4 Sandbox (IE Weapons, Vehicles, ETC)
BF1 Graphics and detail
BFV Movement & Class System
2042 levels of "not giving up on the game"

[vague barn]

Doesn't make me any less disgusted by it making its way into regular modes.

[woeful sluice]

I don't like the plus system also extended mags

[wispy dagger]

Oh I agree

Plus system was poorly executed

Could run out of ammo, switch ammo type and boom

[dense creek]

Plus system was a hastily put together mechanic chasing after CODMW's Gunsmith, but without all of the customization and variety that made the aforementioned so beloved (in 2019 at least)

[vague barn]

Oh god don't get me started on the caliber conversions through plus system. Want to switch your 5.56 assault rifle to a 9mm? Go ahead. Want to switch your 9mm PCC to a 7.62? Go ahead.

[clear viper]

2042s customization is actually pretty great, I'm personally not a fan of the plus system though. It's a cool gimmick but like it's hella inaccurate to how real guns work (I know this is Battlefield but it's very implausible for me still) and I also just forget about it all the time — it also is kind of an infinite ammo exploit

[median pilot]

😆 @ 2042 mention. I agree 👍

[clear viper]

Like if you run out of ammo for your base mag you can just switch to another mag type and boom you have another life's worth of ammo

Really screws up the role of support.

[woeful sluice]

Having extended mags practically renders lmgs useless, I don't like that.

[feral garden]

Yeah, ive thought/said this for a long time too. It encourages making a meta weapon setup of your favorite weapon once (3 best scopes, 3 best mags, 3 best barrels, 3 best underbarrels) then you never have to touch the weapon again.

In gameplay it means there is next to no risk/reward for weapon customization. You always have the weapon setup you need at the touch of a button.

A customization system that makes you stop customizing weapons is a bad one

[clear viper]

Yeah. I honestly might challenge myself and try to keep all my weapons limited to one setup for the fun of it. The plus system sometimes just feels cheap and unrewarding

[feral garden]

I dont think its cheap...but IMO its not fit for its purpose in a classic Battlefield game.

[vague barn]

Honestly, I'm a proponent of having a really extensive gunsmith-esque system (I never had hands-on with it but I hear it is pretty good). A weapon component system that is semi-permanently configured when you spawn.

• Ability to change optic models (e.g. EOTech 552, EOTech EXPS3/XPS3),
  • Reticle shapes (e.g. ACOG chevrons, horseshoes, red, green),
  • Reticle colors (e.g. red, green)
• Magazine styles (e.g. STANAG with pullers, PMAG, Ranger Magplates),
• Laser/light modules (e.g. AN/PEQ-15, DBAL-A3, AN/PEQ-2)
• Forward grips (e.g. KAC VFG, BCM Gunfighter, Grippods)
• Bipods (e.g. Harris/Atlas Bipods)
• Handguards (e.g. KAC RAS, URG-I, RIS II)
• Pistol grips (e.g. Magpul MOE, ERGO, etc)
• Buttstocks (e.g. LMT SOPMOD, Magpul CTR, etc)

[clear viper]

I don't know personally it just like takes the challenge out if it

[vague barn]

Like, I would love to be able to configure my Battlefield weapon system to be an L119A2 with 10" or 15.7" barrel, but I would not want to be able to cut down/extend the barrel during actual play.

[fleet robin]

extensive customisation would be great but yeah as much as i liked the plus system it was a bit detrimental

[wispy dagger]

No plus system hopefully

[fleet robin]

no use tailoring a gun to a specific playtstyle if you can change it on the go anyway

[vague barn]

Extensive customisation that can't be changed "in-field" is the way to go imo.

[feral garden]

A blend of what past battlefield games had, with what Delta force currently has would be nice. The one thing DF does well is its gunsmith. They kinda allow an excessive amount of customization, which makes their weapons get way too low recoil, and way too accurate.

A system based on weight/materials could be interesting

[vague barn]

I kinda liked the BF4 system of having identical stats for different styles of attachments. E.g. potato grip and stubby grip.

[pallid coral]

yeah, in most battlefields the game isn't designed for u to stay long for that long that you'd need like 4 scopes and 4 attachments ON the go lol

and even if u do just adapt ur playstyle for a while

[fleet robin]

this is how it should be imo, lots of customisation but mainly just a few attachments with lots of cosmetic variants

[feral garden]

Want 2 sights? Add a canted sight attachment so you can have an ACOG and a red dot sight...but it makes the weapon heavier so ADS speed is halved.

[glacial orchid]

I actually enjoy the plus system. I can bring and change attachments on the go instead of redeploying or going back to main screen

[fleet robin]

yeah doesn't work too well, though of course it would've worked great as a pseudo-inventory system in a battle royale

[vague barn]

This is actually a pretty interesting idea. The more fluff and stuff you have on the rifle, the slower for example ADS and weapon inertia when turning is.

[vague barn]

That's basically what we're saying we don't like.

[feral garden]

The Plus system is a hangover from the original design of 2042 (single life extraction shooter). In a game where you only have 1 life, the flexibility of the plus system makes way more sense

[vague barn]

Speaking of canted sights, by the way, what are people's opinions on having canted/piggybacked iron sights/red dots?

[feral garden]

As long as there is a negative to the positive of having 2 sights, im fine with them.

[pallid coral]

i hope they make suppressors more realistic in their stats lol
rather than decreasing the bullet velocity and damage for a crazy amount of noise reduciton, it should be more realistic (noise is reduced but not an insane amount, but bullet velocity and damage is increased in some weapons)

[vague barn]

Yeah, I'm more in favor of canted than piggybacked sights. Canted sights at least carry the penalty of having a pretty large portion of your screen blocked by the regular optic, whereas piggybacked sights are pretty much just a red dot sight in terms of field of view, at least in a game like BF where bullets (iirc) originate in your eyes and not the actual barrel of the rifle.

[feral garden]

Im fine with them dramatically simplifying supressors. Just make all of then give minimap stealth, but offer differences through performance in other ways. Like DPS, recoil, recoil directional control...ETC.

[pallid coral]

I think adding a bit more depth to them wouldn't hurt

Ofc it creates a gateway to everyone using suppressors cuz they're just superior but there should def be some downsides to not using them

[feral garden]

Like one specific supressor might offer really good recoil and recoil directional control...but reduce bullet damage more than others, one might have high damage (Less that unsupressed), but have bad recoil and directional recoil control...and so on.

[vague barn]

IIRC suppressors generally cause a shift in zero due to it being a massive weight on the end of your barrel. Could be represented by poorer accuracy.

[pallid coral]

yeah if you're running on the go with an already long barrel then yes, but for regular guns where you're most likely not running and gunning irl it's more beneficial, tho again its hard to compare, ive only shot these things in a controlled environment lol

[glacial orchid]

then you would have to sit still bipoded in order to not feel the effects of the suppressor. there has to be a penalty using a suppressor while moving

[pallid coral]

and they stink

[pallid coral]

yeah ofc, like bsod said

[vague barn]

Weapon inertia when turning and slower ADS speed perhaps, in conjunction with what BSoD mentioned?

[feral garden]

The penalty to using a supressor can simply be less per bullet damage

[pallid coral]

i dont want eveyrone to be running suppressor with no downsides 😂

but i also dont want them to add fake downsides for balance sakes

[glacial orchid]

the grease gun in BFV basically was OP with the suppressor and it was just broke lol

[pallid coral]

that gun took so loong to be balanced lol

destroyed on every cqb map

[vague barn]

I'm always a little skeptical about nerfing weapon damage due to the use of suppressors (conscious of my display name but yeah).

I think a decent idea is the weapon inertia and slower ADS, since it causes you to not be me in BF4 and be a CQB rat with smoke grenades and a suppressed carbine.

[pallid coral]

and if possible, not being able to ADS close to a wall (since longer barrel)

[vague barn]

That could be another aspect as well, yes.

Not sure how willing the devs are to include that kind of mechanic though.

[pallid coral]

didnt bf already have that, if u were too close it would just lean or push u back? idr

[vague barn]

Although since leaning might be back, it could maybe be worth it.

[pallid coral]

ive seen a lot of games do that tho, not that i wanna compare tho but it's not a new thing in games at all

maybe we'll understand soon the depth of everything in the new BF game when we get to see the first recap

[vague barn]

Hopefully so.

[pallid coral]

also, i have a theory. i think the game's name isn't "battlefield", i think they just called it "battlefield" so that its harder to leak. like u can't just say "battlefield 2042 leaks" lol its less specific now

[covert nest]

Battlefield isn't realistic its meant for fun. Blocking ads what feels randomly for being near a wall will just yield to frustration.

[feral garden]

Im sure they will have all of this design work done already tho. So I am excited to see what they landed on for the next game.

[pallid coral]

but aren't even realistic games meant for fun :p i dont see a correlation that the more the realism the less the fun

[covert nest]

Longer barrels being blocked near a wall is random.

And overall just annoying.

[pallid coral]

its not tho, if ur really close, just move back a bit, not random

[vague barn]

As someone who just concluded a 3 hour event in Arma 3, I can testify to that they are not. /s

[covert nest]

Yeah I know what you're saying and I said what feels like random.

[feral garden]

It would be next to impossible to explain that well to a player.

Seems unnecessary also

[pallid coral]

fair

its quite easy to decipher once u have it happen a few times imo, but up to the devs either way if they add it or not

[vague barn]

Hypothetical theory here, but what about not blocking ADS due to proximity to the wall but causing the weapon to be held compressed?

[feral garden]

Like if you were doing a tutorial, and explaining this to me, it would be like:

"Now pick up this longer barreled weapon" > "Move to the corner of the wall" > "Notice you are not able to aim down sights" > "Move away from the wall to be able to aim down sights"

Me: Why the fuck have they done this? 😄

[pallid coral]

🤷

It's preference at the end, idk what they'll actually end up doing

I admit my preference is probably more towards a more tactical oriented movement/gunplay and I'll probably be in favour for things like that but don't take it personally lol

[vague barn]

In case anyone here has played Ground Branch, compressing a rifle is basically what happens when you get too close to an obstacle in that game.

Suppressors also imo could be split into heavy and light suppressors, as in 2042. Heavy suppressors would be those that actually reduce the velocity of the projectile (e.g. MP5SD or MCX LVAW) and light suppressors be those that instead cause worse accuracy/dispersion pattern (e.g. NT4 QDSS, Rotex-5).

(Beside the obvious effect of noise reduction.)

[low vine]

i would bring back plus system on one condition. If they add some night mode maps/dynamic time during game, then you could only switch between night vision scopes and goggles etc

[pallid coral]

Wouldn't it be better to have NV equipped by default?

Remove it when it's daylight

[vague barn]

Night mode would be interesting but would probably devolve into just white/green tinted daylight gameplay due to accessibility.

[pallid coral]

Fuck if they add NV's I hope they add the orange tinted ones as well

Even tho I know it's green by default because we can see more green shades than any colors

[low vine]

yeah but i think it would be cooler with animation etc and if enter a building that well lit then take off the nv scope

[vague barn]

So long as they don't add ECOTI or that weird AN/PSQ-20 monocular I would be in favor of night modes generally, but it'd be rather difficult to implement well.

[pallid coral]

EA boutta get sued for NV blindness

[vague barn]

Also if enemies use flashlights, putting on/off NVGs might be beneficial.

[low vine]

yes

[pallid coral]

GZW did that, kinda cool

if it gets too bright it just disables it and takes it off

[vague barn]

Does it do it automatically?

I haven't actually played GZW since before the night time update, so.

[wispy dagger]

Hear me out

Urban map at night

But you can kill power to buildings by interacting or destroying electrical box outside

[vague barn]

Would be pretty nice to have.

[wispy dagger]

One day

[vague barn]

One day... Maybe...

[minor linden]

I don’t really see it as something they’d need to explain in a tutorial

For example: insurgency sandstorm. It happens to you once and you think “ah, I can’t be too close to stuff like window bars” and you move on

[minor linden]

Having orange/amber, multicolor(basically just weird white), blue, etc would be really cool, yeah

[low vine]

rent servers, platoons and battlelog back pls as well

[vague barn]

Battlelog as an optional thing, sure, but not as a required thing.

[low vine]

yes

like bf4

[pallid coral]

I think what he means is that BF games are more arcadey than games like sandstorm and mechanics like this are not what players want because BF just isn't that type of game

[low vine]

could also build that in the game menu and have access to it web browser as well

[pallid coral]

I didn't realise how disconnected I've been with the BF games for the last 3y where I've ventured out into more hardcore/realistic/tactical games like tarkov, gzw, squad/squad44, rsv, arma

Started playing BF1 again yesterday and the game is definitely a very sprinkled on top "teamwork" lol

[vague barn]

I've logged 9 941 hours in Arma 3.

[pallid coral]

That's wild

[vague barn]

It was really weird playing Battlefield again the other day.

[pallid coral]

I've only recently got into reforger and idk if it's because reforger is different to arma 3 but it doesn't even feel that "hardcore" to me

Liek sure I have to carpool a lot and not just get my own vehicle, work with an ingame economy which is over simplified as fuck, do a minor amount of teamwork to survive and talk in prox chat occasionally, but that's super fun, not even that hardcore

[vague barn]

I can't really provide an unbiased assessment even of Reforger vs. Arma 3 since I haven't played vanilla Arma 3 since like 2016.

[pallid coral]

I feel like vanilla arma is just a niche at this point

[vague barn]

Mods is where it's at in both games, but even more so in Arma 3.

[pallid coral]

Yeah i bet

[vague barn]

Like, the extent to which mods like ACE, ACRE, and KAT go into detail in Arma 3 are industry leading.

And they're literally just mods.

[pallid coral]

I guess the biggest difference is just an increase in keybinds 😂

[vague barn]

Not really. ACE introduces advanced ballistics that are like 90% realistic with bullet drop, wind deflection, coriolis and eötvös effects, magnus effect, ballistic coefficients, drag, transonic instability modelled. ACRE is developed by a group of people who develop radio simulators for the military equivalent to Arma 3 (VBS). KAT literally has you manage airways, hypothermia, blood loss, medication, IVs, etc.

Like, you won't find that kind of experience in any other game.

So yes, more keybinds, but in reality it's probably fewer than you would imagine from a glance.

There's not a way in hell I would ever have logged 9 941 hours in base game Arma 3.

And keep in mind, I'm just scratching the surface with that list.

[minor linden]

Yeah, that’s fair

[pallid coral]

Yeah I was just overexaggerating for fun

[vague barn]

Anyways, getting back to Battlefield related topics... I honestly do hope that weapon customisation becomes more extensive and nuanced in the next game.

[pallid coral]

I tried Arma 3 but the jank was too janky for me, I can only tollerate so much of DayZ jank, not Arma 3 😭

[vague barn]

I don't blame you, there's a reason there's an achievement for getting "Arma'd" which requires you to be launched into the air in a ground vehicle.

[pallid coral]

LOL

[vague barn]

Which, I am very happy to report, is not a difficult achievement to attain lmao

[vague barn]

The more I think about this, the better it seems.

It'd keep you from slapping on every imaginable item in the solar system, but still let you have pretty granular control.

Anyways, 01:30 AM. Time to get acquainted with my pillow once more.

Enjoy your evenings/mornings/afternoons, whatever it might be.

[alpine rock]

Arma 3 is way less jankier than DayZ

[pallid coral]

Idk, maybe it's cuz I tried Arma 3 way before DayZ

[alpine rock]

DayZ before the engine update was nearly unplayable

[pallid coral]

BI = Jank

interactive jank

[alpine rock]

Try playing with the ACE3 modset

Total gamechanger

[pallid coral]

I'm sure, tho rn I'm quite into reforger 👀

[alpine rock]

DayZ was a total mess for years and I know this because I've been playing it since launch

Would be lying if I said it wasn't fun tho

[pallid coral]

I only got into it with Sakhal when my friend told me to buy it lol