Forza Horizon 6

[fringe mesa]

it's not extremely cursed like some other games

[solar shard]

you know, I'm starting to think that the correct thing to do, at least when we're adding custom tone mappers, is to gamma correct after LUTs instead of at the end like SDR

[fringe mesa]

no point in gamma correction in this game

just tweak shadows howeever you want

[solar shard]

well, the thought process is that these LUTs may be authored using captures of the game in

I've seen games where the shadow steps themselves look fucked without gamma correction

anyway, right now the issue is SDR mode. No gamma correction means psycho causes crushing with the mismatch. If I gamma correct afterwards, it just makes psycho weird. However if I gamma correct the LUT output and then let psycho work with that, it looks right

[fringe mesa]

change encoding to 2.2 for SDR

[solar shard]

yeah guess I could just do that

[fringe mesa]

add a menu to the mod with links

and a load/unload shaders button

indiana jones has that

[solar shard]

I'm still gonna try to slop together the preprocessor stuff

but either way I gotta add that load/unload button so I'll do that now

[fringe mesa]

might require renodx::utils::shader::use_replace_async = true; for load/unload to work and that messes with devkit so you'll need to remember to turn that off when using devkit

[solar shard]

alright

devkit is basically dysfunctional for me anyway

the big rework has yet to work for me fully in a game unfortunately

[solar shard]

alright got it added

does not need async btw

changing the encode means I actually have to hunt down the final shader permutations 😩

really hope it's just sdr and sdr photomode

but being a post processing shader too, might change with game settings

may just stick with pow to srgb correction since this is the only permutation I need

you know, I just realized an alternative to the live loading thing. Could simply build out all the permutations and package all those precompiled shaders into the addon, then options in the menu can just switch which shader is used to replace

stutter free

just not ideal for color grading sliders I guess

would make addon sizes large

[solar shard]

• add mod menu with on/off toggle for easy comparisons
• adjust tone map configuration for both SDR and HDR

I'm getting happy with how it looks now

need to see if the sky clipping is solvable and still need to clamp UI

[violet pasture]

Thanks for the work man

[dense coyote]

Damn I was just getting used to this beautiful mod, literally was fine 4 hours ago...but now my game hard crashes when I turn my wheel on... so bizarre. I uninstall reshade and I can use my wheel again lmao.
Anyways nice mod though, not a reno problem aha.
edit - turns out it was display commander, it would hardcrash forza when connecting wheel.

[solar shard]

so strange

I'm surprised the menu design in these games has survived as long as it has. It looks nice at a glance but it's so obnoxious to use

[atomic kraken]

yeah i remember previous games being kinda clunky

glad i was right about the skies looking clipped lol

thought i was going crazy

[solar shard]

yeah they clip pretty early

I figured it was all their LUTs but it's not

[atomic kraken]

its sky specifically?

[abstract verge]

Are they clipping early because their skys are bad or something

[solar shard]

the skies are ass

[abstract verge]

Ah so they are trying to hide it probably

[solar shard]

well, they're ass for reasons beyond just that

I've just gotten so used to modern games having much better sky rendering

skybox feels very close to the camera and there's no cloud system really

[atomic kraken]

ah thats a shame

its no flight simulator then 😔

[solar shard]

you get a texture that scrolls and that's it really

[fallow swallow]

they've used real skies taken on location since fh3, i feel like they look lower res/less impressive most of the time here than those older games tho, like they put less resources into it for whatever reason

[limpid sparrow]

Thanks! What are your recommended settings?

[smoky cloak]

Toggle isn't changing the image for me

[abstract verge]

Same doesnt change for me too

[smoky cloak]

What sharpening we using?

[abstract verge]

I am using lilliums rcas

I didnt liked the ingame one

[smoky cloak]

Default 0.5?

[abstract verge]

0.33

[sturdy torrent]

yup it doesnt change the image

[rose meadow]

same here

amd gpu issue? or?

[pulsar peak]

Testing the new version!

Is it in reshade now to turn off and on? Let’s see

Yes!

Hrmmm turning it off and on doesn’t do anything

yeah I see thats the same for others

reshade refuses to save the button and path for screenshots, first time ive seen this

any ideas"

i need to set it every darn time I play forza horizon 6 for some reasonn

[pulsar peak]

I recommend you turn on the drive camera in settings. It’s off my default and super awesome for drifting and you’ll be doing a lot of drifting

This drew distance is insane. I can’t think of another game like this

[olive junco]

why does it looks so oversaturated?

[slim token]

Imagine a Forza in Unreal Engine

the stuttering would be unreal lol

[limber fiber]

same

[pulsar peak]

Muhahahahaha that’s the way I like it baby

[pulsar peak]

Yeah seems to not have worked first version with this. Jon will fix.

[calm holly]

yeah im using it, such a beautful game needs good HDR. Hopefully no ban

[slim token]

The mod is just on/off or am I missing something ?

[limber fiber]

the mod is just on/on

[slim token]

any info on what profile 1/2/3 changes ?

[smoky cloak]

Foliage shadows (or textures) noticeably draw in as you drive along, even at max settings

Wish that could be improved, it's distracting

[calm holly]

changing on or off in renodx settings doesnt make a difference?

[twilit lily]

Not rn seemingly

[pulsar peak]

Draw distance

[edgy lintel]

I think only game that can come close to this level of draw distance is Crimson Desert

[copper vortex]

AC Shadows had it really good as well funny enough.

But this is impressive.

Nice to see that in a Forza game.

LOD probs still cucked, I reckon

[slim token]

There are pop-ins in foliage

[copper vortex]

Sadge, but kinda expected.

I tend to not notice when driving and doing shit, though

Only when slow driving.

[slim token]

the PC version could have a LOD slider..

[copper vortex]

It doesn't have one? Or like diff settings.

[slim token]

I mean, An extreme/max setting that would eliminate all of it or 99% of it

It's way better than 4 or 5 though

[unreal summit]

ye its terrible

[fallow swallow]

I notice it more with RTGI on :/ some level of pop in in certain places seems to be unavoidable tho unfortunately

[calm holly]

has anybody elses performance degraded since launch day? could run it with DLAA 70-80fps easy, now im struggling to get 50-60

[pulsar peak]

make sure you have the latest reno, first versions had logging going insane and reducing peformance

could be that

otherwise ive been fine

using Preset M too

[digital sentinel]

there's a memory/vram leak in the game from what I've read since early access started, so need to restart the game after a few hours

[calm holly]

nah its persistent. I restarted it, cleared the shader chache etc. Nothing helped. really weird

[fierce rover]

also read about wireless controllers causing fps loss

[digital sentinel]

works for me just fine with a dualsense via bt

[pulsar peak]

Weird. Not having any of these issues

Not the stutter either

Been using a dual sense wirelessly the entire time

[smoky cloak]

Same. DLSS Quality

[digital sentinel]

same, had to disable reflex because it doesnt seem to work properly

also force vsync via gpu driver and disable the ingame one

[pulsar peak]

Yeah same lol

[digital sentinel]

~90-110fps depending on the scene, 3440x1440 dlaa

[pulsar peak]

Reflex is likely what’s causing the stutter did for Pragmata too

[smoky cloak]

I tried DLAA with Frame Gen and it was great except for some disgusting artifacting behind back of car

[digital sentinel]

yeah, disabled FG because of that

[smoky cloak]

I've locked to 90fps

[calm holly]

it works but it kinda annoys me that i could play with just DLAA and no FG on launchday, and since then I cant and have to play with 2x FG

nothing has changed tho, settings wise. very weird.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/1tevaac/my_benchmark_from_yesterday_vs_one_i_just_did/

comments all have the same issue

[pulsar peak]

did you change dlss preset?

preset M is heavier

[calm holly]

had it on preset L since launch

[pulsar peak]

weird

and you saw what I said about reno?

[calm holly]

yeah thanks, i already did that too. This was with and without reno. Seems like a really really weird bug

[pulsar peak]

dang yeah im out of ideas then

that reddit person christ 65 down to 11fps ooooof

[fierce rover]

that aint normal

the guy fixed it with a gpu driver reinstall

I did notice my afterburner set my gpu to 0% power limit yesterday

[smoky cloak]

What have 5090 users settled on?

[slim schooner]

Same thing happens in KCD2

It’s a tricky balance

[smoky cloak]

4K, Max settings, DLSS Quality (preset M), locked to 90fps via DC, 0.5 sharpness via RCAS

Is where I'm at

It's pretty great. Only annoyance is foliage LODs and some finer details (railings etc) being a bit funky

[pulsar peak]

yeah the LODs can be weird but its way better than previous games

this is the first time the map feels properly detailed

and not like a flight sim map

forza horizon 5 almost got there

but the RTGI really helps with shadow coverage everywhere and at long distances so it doesnt look as flat as a flight sim map now

[digital sentinel]

too bad RTGI has too much noises and PG didnt bother to add ray reconstruction to the game

[random furnace]

What is this? Microsoft (Car) Flight Simulator?

[pulsar peak]

people already complaining RT is too heavy RR gonna make people go insane

anyone know why reshade wont save my screenshot button and screenshot path? need to redo it every time I play

is there an ini I can edit

[random furnace]

all settings, that doesn't involve shader setup, is in the Reshade.ini AFAIK

[pulsar peak]

thats all thas in there

just weird, never had this issue with any other game and reshade

[ornate tundra]

When toggling on and off, is it meant to apply straight away? Because im not seeing a difference. I have hdr set up in game

[random furnace]

try checking another ini where it worked and then copy from there, as you already mentioned, it isn't being saved, so you won't find the lines in there

we also had another case where some specific option wasn't saved, seems to be a rare unregular issue

[pulsar peak]

kk

Ok. I think I got it. Time to test

And is preset m or L better for this game?

I’m on M

[limber fiber]

i'm on M for less ghosting

[runic tide]

Excuse me guys, for the Forza mod do I need to install the original Reshade, not the addon one? Cus it's online

[solar shard]

Oh, maybe I do need that flag musa mentioned if no devkit is loaded then

[ivory flint]

you'll need the addon version

[runic tide]

have you guys disabled online or will they not ban on a game like this

[solar shard]

Surely I can programmatically enable it if no devkit and disable it if there is devkit.

It’ll be a while till I can fix it though. In the meantime if anybody wants it to work you can install the Reno devkit and then pretend it doesn’t exist.

[topaz ferry]

you wont get banned

[lofty marten]

my game wont start with reshade addon

[random furnace]

walk us through it, what did you do and what happens now?

[lofty marten]

is installed reshade with full addon support on gamelaunchhelper.exe and the game wont open. I cant install it on the game's exe since i have it on xbox app.

[topaz ferry]

you gotta be doing something wrong. it works fine on xbox app

[lofty marten]

yeah the first time i got an error and now on the 2nd boot it works fine.

[random furnace]

always best to try multiple times, I also have some rare games here and there that have a weird game start crash.. maybe some shader compilation weirdness or something

[thin knot]

does anyone know what this car is

[smoky cloak]

So far I think I prefer the Mexican setting.

[ivory flint]

toyota chaser

[smoky cloak]

And it's been a good while since I booted up FH5 but FH6 looks identical to how I remembered FH5! I'm sure there are improvements though

[solar shard]

Not much to mess with. Sat at neutral and the brightness settings to preference would be recommended.

[spark meteor]

Your mind is broken, FH6 looks ways better than any other forza game before that. RTGI alone makes it a gamechanger but i can see it if you don't have the hardware to run raytracing extreme.

[calm holly]

holy fuck dlss preset M/L take such a massive fps hit. Went from 70-80 to 50-60

compared to preset K

[fallen jolt]

I just noticed ghosting with preset M behind my car. Gone with preset L. I also think preset L has less RT noise/flickering issues on vegetation and less flickering on water.

[calm holly]

L has almost no ghosting. K is horrible. Debating on switching to L again but im losing like 15-25fps.. 5070ti

[fallen jolt]

Yeah Preset L is heavy in this game

I honestly don't see issues with FG though, so I leave it on for now.

[spark meteor]

i use 3440x1440 rt extreme with max settings and DLAA , NO Framegen and i hover around 70-110 fps depending on the area and time with 5070Ti and 5700X3D ...

[calm holly]

what preset tho?

[limber fiber]

will try thanks

[fallen jolt]

I would try preset L with DLSS quality instead of DLAA. IMO DLAA is pretty useless these days compared to Quality Preset L

[calm holly]

this is preset K for me. I cant do without DLAA, DLSS Quality is losing too much detail

[spark meteor]

the difference in clarity is really visible to me, i prefer dlaa tbh . i am on preset M btw @calm holly

[fallen jolt]

Worth testing out DLDSR + DLSS balanced instead of DLAA

[thin knot]

thanks the logo on the front intake looks so different

the chase is some kind of reward car though i think so guess i gotta get lucky

[spark meteor]

rather dlss ultra performance

[fallen jolt]

xD

[spark meteor]

@pulsar peak Hey mate, do you use any reshade on top of reno ?

[pulsar peak]

I used the black floor fix to adjust gamma a bit in on of the lilium options in reshade

[spark meteor]

SO Reno does not work atm ? I can switch from off to profile 1 2 or 3 but nothing changes

[pulsar peak]

Reno works

[fallen delta]

isnt that crushing black levels?

[pulsar peak]

It’s just the toggle that doesn’t

[pulsar peak]

Nights are too bright for me

[fallen delta]

is the native hdr black floor raised

[ancient sapphire]

Is there a guide on how to setup Lilium black floor fix correctly ?

I've never used it, lol.

Or is it a simple toggle like Reno ?

[sour glen]

I haven't had time to check Reno for this game but does it make nights darker?

Nights are too bright in this game man

[pulsar peak]

Not sure. But again I’m only using the gamma option there

[arctic bone]

yeah i guess the sun kinda blows

[sour glen]

Hi Jon, will you make nights darker by any chance?

[solar shard]

Wasn’t planning to. Doesn’t help that I can’t offer options really.

[arctic bone]

cursor positioned on the sun, 1/3 the power of highlights on the car

[sour glen]

Gotcha, one more question, I have the gamepass version, how do i install it? when I open reshade addon it doesnt find the game

[solar shard]

I’ve always just manually placed the files

You can extract the reshade setup exe and get the reshade64.dll

[sour glen]

I put everything where the exe of the game is correct?

[solar shard]

Yeah

[sour glen]

so i only need this file? and then the one pinned here and its ready?

[copper vortex]

Btw, game doesn’t have anti cheat?

[sour glen]

I was thinking that, will reshade cause some issue or banning?

[random furnace]

Some say it's only server side checks

[abstract verge]

It doesnt have

I played with addon reshade in FH5 too

[copper vortex]

Always a risk associated with it, but enforcement happening or not is a risk you take.

Like I don’t mind it with PoE, cause GGG kinda cool with it.

Anyone else I think twice cause they get trigger finger even with false positives.

Definitely at your own risk thingy when using on online games.

[random furnace]

No reports ever of someone getting banned with Reshade. Most anticheats know the program and will tell you to turn it off if they don't like it

So only warnings, no bans etc.

[copper vortex]

Nothing Reno can do about that.

[topaz ferry]

You arent going to get banned lol

[sour glen]

@solar shard I just installed the file you said along with the Forza 6 mod pinned here but the game doesnt detect reshade, what am I missing?

[golden spruce]

these colors are beautiful! Is this with the renodx beta hdr?

[solar shard]

Rename to dxgi.dll

[spark meteor]

Does that look good or bad ? Trying to fine tune atm .

could be a bit darker imo

[topaz ferry]

only you can answer that

[pulsar peak]

yes they are!

[pulsar peak]

the blue/grey night indeed

its tough

[spark meteor]

that blue is a bummer for sure

but the overall asthetics are nice

the distance lod's are crisp in here

[pulsar peak]

yeah the lods are amazing

[smoky cloak]

Are most 4k folks sticking with DLAA? It does look better...

Might sacrifice the framerate

[sour glen]

now it works but this all I see when I select renodx, on and off, is this normal?

[topaz ferry]

yeah

[spark meteor]

that toggle does nothing

[solar shard]

Yeah that’s normal, and I have to fix the toggle

[fringe mesa]

You can set Use presets to false

[sour glen]

okay but usually when i use reno there is a menu there that i can toggle or there are recommended settings

[smoky cloak]

One toggle, one defect 😁

[sour glen]

how do I setup the best hdr image?

kinda lost here forgive me ignorance guys lol

[floral trellis]

sorry for my ignorance, but is this true?

[random furnace]

Forza?

[fierce rover]

smells of crimson desert

[floral trellis]

nah Crimson Desert

[topaz ferry]

this is a forza channel

[random furnace]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1488181809433936084

Check the pins

[sour glen]

this is how my game looks with HDR on now after installing Reno

[autumn urchin]

Preset L better

[random furnace]

it's still not fully functional again, the many update have made it hard to keep up for the devs

[floral trellis]

my bad

[autumn urchin]

I am using 4k dlss quality and preset L with forced latest dlss dll

[floral trellis]

right

The only mods that I've seen not get crushed are user interface mods for the most part

[pulsar peak]

is it? I will try L!

[random furnace]

The screenshot is not in HDR, so it's hard for us to tell
Try to take screenshots with Reshade, it should give you a HDR PNG, it might look wrong in Windows photo viewer but discord can display it correctly

[floral trellis]

@random furnace I will say that this has been massive for me on my 3090ti

love the extra performance

[broken rain]

L is heavier then M, roughly 20%-30% less frames on the same dlss level.
L is designed for ultra performence to get a better image quality on that upscaling level

[sour glen]

now?

i made the screenshot with reshade

[smoky cloak]

Is there much of a difference between preset M and K when using DLAA?

[broken rain]

depends on your gpu

[smoky cloak]

I rarely use DLAA so don't have much experience with it.

5090

[broken rain]

M and L are better then

[smoky cloak]

I've never really used L tbh. The extra perf hit seems tough to stomach. I'll give it a try though.

[broken rain]

It is, you will not see any difference between them, except you use ultra-performance dlss

[solar shard]

Ah nice, didn’t think there was a flag for it already, was planning to slop something lol.

[random furnace]

Yes that worked 🥳

[sour glen]

Does it look good? Any improvements I should make?

[smoky cloak]

Looks pretty great to me

RenoDX is pretty much plug and play. It'll come down to the calibration of your screen

Do you like how it looks?

[random furnace]

Personal taste really.
I personally would add a little more contrast, but that is up to you 🫡

[wispy eagle]

where's the in game hdr options? or there's none

[rancid elbow]

Brightness at the top of Video settings

[fierce rover]

you gotta actually enter the world so to speak

[worn granite]

It is for forza and there is a 10% performance improvement with resizable bar on for nvdia.

AFAIK amd it's broken with Sam enabled

[atomic kraken]

ah interesting

surprising how rare that is

10% is pretty massive too wow

[worn granite]

Yeah same for fhz5 when the game released nvdia didn't enabled rebar by default, so people force it with nvpi and saw also huge gains there.

[atomic kraken]

goddamn

its always stuff like that that makes me wonder how much performance we're missing out on lol

[wispy eagle]

really? rebar helps a lot in this game?

[smoky cloak]

https://youtu.be/LhDqCb8RVwA?si=iq7NOe_ID06nzoh7

I've not watched it yet. About to do so.

I'm 5090

[wispy eagle]

in windows hdr calibration my tv calibrates to 1070 nits but in the ingame test.. the logo clips at 900. which one should i follow?

[lusty rain]

rt off and rt on in this game looks abut the same

[reef bane]

really depends on the situation, obviously if you're looking at reflective glass, a pond, a puddle rt will be a million times beetter

[worn granite]

It's automaticaly enabled for this game if you're using latest driver

[lusty rain]

no it doesnt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srURJsSHBtg

[broken rain]

you mean it doesnt look better?

[copper vortex]

Lmao, holy shit that RT cost.

[random furnace]

here's another video just in case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj0rM0Bns2o

[wispy eagle]

preset L 1080 - 4K

[smoky cloak]

What's the tldr on those vids? Just turn off RT?

[pulsar peak]

No RTGI is huge

If you can’t tell the difference you shouldn’t be in this server

[reef bane]

uhh it really does though

[pulsar peak]

I’m not trying to be mean. But if you can’t tell what RTGI does how do you tell HDR differences?

[smoky cloak]

Maybe we need an entry exam

[pulsar peak]

Hahaha

[fallen jolt]

If you don't have an eye for how visuals are grounded by RTGI, then enjoy your free performance, but don't speak for others.

[reef bane]

[smoky cloak]

The flip side is I also have an eye for the RTGI noise and artifacts

[reef bane]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[pulsar peak]

Pretty much this

[fallen jolt]

Well, who doesn't? 🙂
I don't see that much noise in actual gameplay tbh, but sure...RR would be nice.

[tranquil narwhal]

DLSS-RR sure would be nice, game can be real noisy with RTGI

[abstract verge]

The game has dll for it but they do not use it

[tranquil narwhal]

hopium for a patch adding support then

[spark meteor]

is this shot in HDR ?

[abstract verge]

HDR

[spark meteor]

hell no it doesn't

[spark meteor]

thx

[abstract verge]

RTGI has big effect on indirectly lit areas

[sturdy torrent]

im also making a compariosn video for RT vs NO Rt in this

[pulsar peak]

oh nice!

[smoky cloak]

The first Rush race (Pier Pressure) is insanely fun. So good

[spark meteor]

i love the race against the mecha

[pulsar peak]

Omg so good

[silk cairn]

Does anyone have a comparison between native vs renodx hdr ?

[copper vortex]

Here.

@silk cairn ^

[silk cairn]

Ty

[floral moon]

Does anyone use OptiScaler when it comes to FG for FH6?

And DisplayCommander for locking the FPS?

[coral marsh]

I use relimiter with adaptive smoothing and VRR cap. why would need optiscaler?

[lavish blade]

anyone with a 4080/5070ti have an idea what dlss settings to use?

i'm on 3440x1440

[unkempt swift]

wish it was pathtraced, definitely could be done with upscaling shame

[supple carbon]

https://youtu.be/DJdH22oBsTA?si=0Rx43uqI8_Zyt0Q2

[unkempt swift]

next gen like every game will have pathtracing at least AAA

since the pee-es-6 is pushing RT hard

[spark meteor]

I personally use DLSS Q and FG 2X on top of these settings

[spark meteor]

i hope it gets it only implemented when rr presets have been updated to the quality of dlss 4.5

[unkempt swift]

RR 4.0 is fine and much preferred over no RR and dlss 4.5. Definitely would rather have pathtracing than dlss 4.5, but yes I am not sure why Nvidia is dragging their feet on updated RR

[spark meteor]

it's a personal preference at this point, i agree

nbidia should get their shit together

[unkempt swift]

dlss 4.5 is good but like a sidegrade over 4.0 for me running preset L in most games

it does make dlss balanced look nearly as good as dlss quality 4.0 even performance at 4k sometimes looks amazing to me

but I guess that is where it's meant to be used for more aggressive upscaling, it doesn't really make quality and dlaa look much better though

[spark meteor]

it doesn't , no

dlss p 4.5 looks almost as good as dlss q 4.0 , aye

why leaving rr on 4.0 is a mystery for me

[unkempt swift]

yeah rr can be noisy, I think some people say that dlss 4.5 can sometimes be comparable or better than RR, but not my experience at all

RR is like a must for pathtracing for me

[spark meteor]

comparable, maybe in some specific situations but better, no imo

https://www.nexusmods.com/forzahorizon6/mods/54

👍

[solar shard]

The glow up for taillights makes the mod worth it tbh lol

They’re so weirdly dull normally

[zealous bramble]

Gorgeous mod. I run low paperwhite and game clips max nits to a 1000 instead of 2500 without the mod so its a no brainer

[arctic bone]

its an upgrade alright

[unkempt grove]

I don't really get the drivatar difficulty levels in this game. It feels like on the higher difficulties they just get boosted straight line speed no matter what class their car is, and they somehow rocket up to like 300 kph evry time. But then on tracks with lots of corners, it's pretty easy to beat them just by outbraking them into turns

[arctic bone]

expert feels borderline but pro and beyond feel like shit to play against

[unkempt grove]

so I set the difficulty pretty high because I want the challenge, but on a lot of tracks there's not much I can do because the AI just pulls away on the straights, even with lower class cars. Then on other tracks it's the complete opposite and almost too easy, to the point where I wish I could raise the difficulty even higher

[arctic bone]

granted im playing with 0 assists and manual on a pad but it makes zero sense for the ai to have the grip of a F1 car when youre driving some shit ass 2000s sedan in the wet

[full aurora]

Download tunes by competent tuners and every race will be easy.

[arctic bone]

also the AI still feels like it has 0 awareness of your position on the track and has no race etiquette

not about to listen to another game where they handwave that shit as 'uhh actually its mapping player behavior'

[full aurora]

Yeah, the AI in these games has always been sub-par.

They'd need something like Gran Turismo's SOFI or whatever it's called.

[arctic bone]

sophy yeah, its great even if its only a preview with the DLC and enabled for some quick races

[unkempt grove]

I don't even mind the AI driving itself that much. I get that this is more of an arcady game so I'm not expecting super realistic racing. But the fact that it always feels like I'm driving a much slower car than the rest is really annoying

[arctic bone]

if the ai was more sophisticated I dont think theyd have to scale their top speed the way they do at least thats how i view the two as interconnected

[unkempt grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/1tfocap/average_fh_ai_experience/

[spark meteor]

[unkempt grove]

ye, for sure, the drivatar difficulty should probably scale other aspects

[spark meteor]

it almost feels like the ai in this game is the most basic iteration pg could find or was willing to spent resources on

find some friends and race together

way better experience

[spark meteor]

it's simple and basic, they just follow the racing line 100% of the time and are reckless

[unkempt grove]

and also the racing line braking points are kinda shit. You can never really trust it to tell you when you should brake or not. That's kinda standard thing in racing games, though, but here it feels even worse than usual. Probably not much different from the other horizon games

the AI, of course, follows it too so when there's a braking point marked on the racing line that you can completely skip, the AI still brakes anyway and the race becomes easy

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better to just turn it off completely

[spark meteor]

use shadertoggler to disable the hud completely, way more immersive experience

[placid wind]

is there a way to turn of chromatic abherration

[placid wind]

ah, its in "hud and gameplay" lul

[radiant lotus]

forza horizon games are infamous for their rubber banding

only way to win on high difficulties is to hit the AI on the turns

also i remember in horizon 5 you could restart a race and teh AI would race completely different, so you'd go from a hard af race to a easy one

[pale echo]

Game is so much fun

[solar shard]

• fix on/off toggle
• remove useless profile selection

@fringe mesa so yes async is needed, and it works with or without devkit. If I don't have async on, then the on/off toggle only works if devkit is also loaded.

I've got a feeling trying to slop this live loading thing isn't gonna work out now that github copilot got neutered model options

[wet locust]

does the in game "maximum brightness" slider in HDR section is in nits ? i mean my monitor is 1000nits but the symbol only disappear at 10000 value.

[solar shard]

it is in nits, yes. And that probably means your monitor is tone mapping

which monitor is it?

[fringe mesa]

you might be able to add cbuffers if you find which root signatures you need to skip

[solar shard]

honestly I'm not sure I care enough. The in-game options are solid enough

contrast slider would be cool I guess but eh

wonder if there's any other sliders I have access to that I could hardcode and hijack lol

hmmm nothing reasonable I guess

anyway, part of me kinda likes how clean it is to "just work"

[fringe mesa]

ya

[solar shard]

alright now to grab the UI shader that's flash banging out 10k nits

[spark meteor]

[fringe mesa]

that contrast boost that they have in hdr

is that consistent between LUTs

like can you just reverse it to get sdr contrast

[solar shard]

I'm not even using it

[fringe mesa]

oh right

[solar shard]

but they form both the SDR and HDR color in this lutbuilder and output to two RTVs, then sample in compositing based on if SDR or HDR is used

[fringe mesa]

are you crawling the lut or just doing 0.18

[solar shard]

so I could just use SDR if I wanted

just doing 0.18 but I need to make it more accurate

sometimes it's off

[fringe mesa]

ya a loop with a couple samples to find the inflection point

[solar shard]

I still don't really "get" that. Like I conceptually get it, just the math is lost on me still

[fringe mesa]

slop will do it

[solar shard]

I know I knew it at some point cause it's like, calc 1 stuff

[fringe mesa]

you'd have to add a new sample and then measure slope

and see which direction causes slope increase vs decrease

[solar shard]

I'll give it a try after I fix this UI shader

[atomic kraken]

Can't you do it with a swapchain pass?

Oh

[fringe mesa]

being able to describe what you want to do in lots of detail helps slop a lot

[atomic kraken]

I guess not if you can't get cbuffer injection for the game

Is this common with new games?

Not being able to inject or whatever

[solar shard]

only happened to me with this game where it crashed

but musa had issues with reengine games for a while with their RT

[atomic kraken]

Oh wack

[placid wind]

on -> off crashed game for me

[solar shard]

I tested without devkit loaded, wonder why it's doing that

anybody else try it yet?

[placid wind]

in game or in menu

its fine for me at main menu now...

let me try again in game

fine now in garage, working

yeah fine now who knows lul

[solar shard]

I think I had a random crash or two with it before actually, but I thought it was just devkit shenanigans

[placid wind]

game reported video card exit

but ya fine now i guess

[spark meteor]

works fine for me for the last 10 mins or so ...

toggle does not produce any crash

it's working fine

[placid wind]

it crashed for me first time moment i did it but unreproducible

[solar shard]

ominous but hopefully not frequent enough to be a major problem

[placid wind]

i got it to do it again by just spamming on /off lul

for like a solid minute

[solar shard]

guess it's unsafe in some way

[placid wind]

wonder if its when game does specific (thing)

i mean ya i guess thats obvious but

[solar shard]

I mean like not thread safe or something

[placid wind]

meant what i said was sort of applicable to anything but ye

man i cannot get wheel settings i am happy with

[sturdy torrent]

on vs off working perfectly fine

[spark meteor]

https://youtu.be/k2_87v0YWtM

[dense coyote]

after messing around myself and trying a few other peoples set ups, this is what ive settled on for now. maybe it will work for you.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/forza-horizon-6-158387721

[safe jacinth]

is the game playable like that? I want to close all the HUD when the game releases too but how can I find the events like that then?

[wet locust]

xiaomi gpro 27i

i apply e EOTF fix so maybe thats why

on gpu 3D lut

[wet locust]

thats the EOTF curve im using cause the HDR is too dark by default and also fix the red tint by increasing blue contast and decreasing red contrast by one tick. not optimal but no choice

[placid wind]

@solar shard left is reno. feel like its blowing out to white a bit too much here?

those lights are gaining like 600 nits, probably why

[solar shard]

I probably do need to reduce the blowout a smidge since I dropped cone response in the last update

[placid wind]

you plannin to gib sliders at some point

[solar shard]

can't

[placid wind]

ah dang

time of day really affects those lights

deep night to dusk and can't get em like that anymore

[solar shard]

may need to reduce highlights a little bit more still

this is already with highlights reduced btw

game bright

[placid wind]

IRL those lights are properly bright, but maybe a tad there and a tad off blowout

[solar shard]

ultimately blowout/hue has to do with peak and paper white

[placid wind]

shiddy camera video

whoops heres jxr

phone camera HDR still tends to be

https://klipy.com/gifs/reaction-my-eyes--k01KRWSJHK08SC2VRJ76FJ9JZQZ

[solar shard]

using photo reference is essentially just comparing to whatever picture formation system is used for the photo

but yeah it should probably go more to orange than white

may switch from cone response to contrast

then I won't need blowout, which goes to white, and LMS tone map will probably handle it better

but, the blowout generally looks more in line with how the game is "supposed" to look

[placid wind]

it would be interesting to get real measurements of brake lights

i was noticing last night, they are incredibly bright these days (as are all car lights)

[placid wind]

if you want to test a similar scenario

go to mountain road (too much light in city)
photo mode
time of day: night
weather: heavy precipitation

but yea without knowing shit, just a slight trim to blowout / highlights would probably "fix" it good enough, but i'm only staring at brake lights

[inland plover]

Excuse me. How do I install it?

[smoky cloak]

Install Reshade with Add-on support to your game folder.

Download the RenoDX add-on file from the pinned comment.

Drop the Add-on in your game folder.

Make sure HDR is enabled in game.

Optional but recommended for slight performance boost - disable the other two addons within the reshade add-on menu in game, and restart the game. You don't know these ever when using only renodx

[pulsar peak]

I find the toggle doesn’t actually remove CA

[modest light]

Yo guys I got the game on the xbox app(regional pricing xD), does it work the same as for steam games and is it bannable online?

[spark meteor]

yes and no

i use the play anywhere version

bans are highly unlikely

[modest light]

kk ill try it now

[native yacht]

hello, Im new for here

the mod isnt in real time?

[olive junco]

Reshades worknwith gamepass games?

[native yacht]

yes, I play so much on Xbox app with Gamepass PC, just you must install the reshade on gamelaunchhelper.exe, not on game.exe like on Steam, Epic, GoG, etc.👍

[olive junco]

Alright cool

[modest light]

Are you guys using preset L here?

[digital sentinel]

I use M at 3440x1440 DLAA, looks good to me

[modest light]

I am trying L at 1440p both dlaa and quality got artifacts in road lines and stuff

[modest light]

whats your dlss sharpness at?

[digital sentinel]

default 0.5 ingame, I dont think its too sharp

[modest light]

hmm i tried from 0 to 0.5

[native yacht]

happen me the same with Forza Motorsport

[modest light]

i see

idk which preset to use even

past few games were just ray reconstruction xD

[native yacht]

its already out on Gamepass in any region?

[modest light]

idk

if anyone is experienced with dlss 4.5 is it maybe preset L at DLAA thats causing issues?

[digital sentinel]

dlss 4.5 here, no issues for me

[native yacht]

are you use Nvidia Inspector Profile? but in this case I would say that the game need RR

[modest light]

Ye I think maxed out rt can make stuff grainy since thats what im running

no denoiser

[digital sentinel]

yeah because of the lack of RR I switched to SSGI, the noise with medium level RTGI was just too much, high RTGI then too taxing on my system

[modest light]

i dont notice it always but when I do its shit, dlaa preset L which in theory should be the best xD

maybe theyll bring full path tracing with rr

[abstract verge]

Preset L and M makes rt noise worse

K and E is better at RT noise but
K has more ghosting
E is blurrier overall

[fervent inlet]

i personnally dont use RTGI at all because once u are in forest or tunnel u have a shitton of noise or even under the car

but its already in reported issues from devs so it might change soon

[fallen delta]

wouldn’t adding RR fix that

[digital sentinel]

it should

[native yacht]

and with greater low performance 😫

[inland plover]

RayTracing doesn't even work for this game on Linux with AMD GPU.

[digital sentinel]

shouldnt RR improve performance or have a negligible effect on fps? I've only used it on one game in the past, alan wake 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZISkwGdCXx8

@S2GamesBench

DLSS 4.5 struggles with ray tracing on, especially preset M, with ray tracing kept off DLSS 4.5 works fine (03:24 05:39).

DLSS 4 Preset K while not being perfect does better than 4.5 presets when RT is kept on.

If you plan to keep ray tracing on, use preset K.
If you plan to keep ray tracing off, you can use M or L.
If you plan to keep ray tracing off but have 30 or 20 series GPU, use preset K.

[calm holly]

but dlss 4.0 has so much worse ghosting than 4.5

just saw the video, holy shot 4.5 is really bad lol

with ray tracing

[ornate tundra]

4.5 seems to hit the performance hard too

[bronze cosmos]

4.5 doesnt play well with denoisers

[marble geyser]

nah left here is way better

From my experience that's what psychov does

maybe a tad off or something but everything about the left image is better

[placid wind]

It’s better overall for sure but I’d be curious if it could be less white while not making other stuff too punchy

Reducing paper white to 50 kinda gave me a happy medium for those lights but of course that’s not actually a solution lul

The issue is that there are a bunch of cars with lights like this that are blowing out to white and imo they shouldn’t (to this degree, if possible)

Cars like the Silvia which model an incandescent bulb, you get a nice falloff from the light source so hue is preserved for most of the lamp

[sour scaffold]

brothers and sisters, a forza 5 lover here! would i love this thing tomorrow or be meh?

[random furnace]

Why is everyone forgetting the brother of DLSS Preset K? J is great for fast games, try it if you don't like K, L or M

[unkempt grove]

yeah, honestly, I feel like that's the case here too. Sometimes I struggle to catch up to a few cars that get ahead early in the race, and when I can't close the gap I just restart and often I can get into the top 3 within the first three corners and then the race feels a lot easier

[pulsar peak]

They tested J?

Seems like K is the way to go with ray tracing on

[random furnace]

it takes a few seconds to switch the preset, I would just try it myself instead of listening to a video
no but seriously, other people don't have my sensitivities, I try myself and then find what I like best for which game

before L was out, J helped me in TombRaider and co a lot against ghosting

nowadays it's 90% L with some J/K here and there

[proper fulcrum]

so whats the best DLSS preset for the least amount of ghosting? its my #1 biggest issue with the game

[pulsar peak]

J or K it seems

I’m gonna go with K as that guy does a ton of these videos and compares games like this weekly

[random furnace]

DLSS 4.0: K is the most stable, J is the best against ghosting
DLSS 4.5: L and M are very good against ghosting
DLSS 3: C is anti ghosting, E/F are the most modern ones, could be fine for ghosting for you

[slim schooner]

M is better in most games in my experience

[grizzled helm]

SDR/RenoDX SDR

[pulsar peak]

M looked horrible in that video

[grizzled helm]

look at that sky detail come back. fh6 vanilla is clipped to hell in SDR

[proper fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPV4yNAyW4U&t=627s

that spoiler ghosting / trailing against the wall

[grizzled helm]

love the RTGI in this game. just wish it wasn't this noisy

[old quartz]

Is there any RenoDX for Diablo 4?

Or is it just UE4/5?

[pulsar peak]

Probably not as reshade would definitely fuck with blizzard anti cheat stuff

UE4/5 definitely has Reno

[pale echo]

for D4 just use the black floor fix with reshade without addon

[spark meteor]

Is your VRAM full or are these low res ground textures because of framegen ?

[grizzled helm]

this is embarrasing but I am running off of a VM in a hard drive. don't have another choice atm because my main PC is acting as a server for the time being

[spark meteor]

gotcha

[smoky cloak]

I suddenly seem very CPU limited when yesterday I wasn't 🙃

[slim token]

wish it had realistic smoke in dirt roads

[calm holly]

just tried preset J. While its slightly better than K, its still way too unsharp and not nearly as crisp as L/M

[carmine rampart]

Yeah I don't like Preset K/J in this game either. The two 4.5 presets are for sure the way to go even with the more noisy RT resolve.

Still deciding between Preset M Balanced or Preset L Performance though.

[woeful bay]

Guys, when I enable HDR, the whole image looks washed out, even with RenoDX

[carmine rampart]

You on Nvidia? I had this issue too once. Look if Nvidia RTX HDR is enabled in the game filters. Sometimes it's on top of the games HDR which looks terrible.

If that's not the case try setting max brightness to about ~5% window size peak brightness of your display and paper white to about ~100 nits if you're in a dark room. ~200 is better for bright rooms.

[smoky cloak]

Heh, I've just decided I like K with some RCAS...just not the ghosting right behind the car, but in real world use I find that less egregious than the RT noise, which is terrible

I think I've settled on preset K, DLAA, max settings, FGx2, locked to 120fps...

[woeful bay]

YES, RTX 4070

[carmine rampart]

I think the RT noise also highly depends on the internal res. Since I'm on 5120x2160 with DLSS Balanced my internal res is still 2970x1253 which is high enough to mask most of the noise.

[woeful bay]

What’s the best preset in the NVIDIA app for this game?

[carmine rampart]

There's no best preset. It depends on what you want. Best ghosting mitigation? Preset M/L. Best Noise mitigation? Preset K/J.

Preset M/L are also a lot sharper than Preset K/J

[woeful bay]

ok

Is anyone playing on an OLED TV? I’d like to know the best settings you used

[smoky cloak]

I'm doing 4K quality

[carmine rampart]

Yeah I do. What do you mean with best settings?

[slim schooner]

K and J are just obsolete. It makes no sense to use them imo (with 4000 series or newer)

Either M or L depending on the game. Most times M is good enough

[woeful bay]

On the TV and in the game

[carmine rampart]

If you're sensitive to RT noise, Preset K is obviously much better. If they would be obsolete they would've been removed. Also Preset M/L are much more expensive on older hardware.

[carmine rampart]

We don't know your TV and we have no idea what your target framerate is for the game? HardwareUnboxed has a good optimization guide on youtube.

[slim schooner]

K looks so blurry to me now. I’m so used to the crispness of the new models

[woeful bay]

I’m using a 42-inch OLED C5 with a 7800X3D + 32GB RAM + RTX 4070

[carmine rampart]

Just looked at rtings review. Peak brightness ~1100 nits. If you wanna be safe from ABL go with 1000 nits.

[woeful bay]

Does RenoDX work on the Game Pass version?

[carmine rampart]

Paperwhite default is 200 but personal preference mostly. I would keep it between 100-200

[carmine rampart]

Yes. Must install Reshade with full Addon support onto the launch .exe instead of the game .exe

[woeful bay]

ok

thnaks

[woeful bay]

I tried it here, but it says I need permission to open the Forza Horizon 6 file.

[carmine rampart]

Install it to the launcher .exe not the forza horizon 6 .exe

[zealous bramble]

for fh6 reno specifically if i touch saturation or paper white much my brake lights look pink (lg g5 calibrated)

[smoky cloak]

I was a preset M fan for life before this game, but I prefer K with DLAA here

[placid wind]

I wish there was a middle setting between RTGI high and medium. Medium is a massive perf boost but the denoising makes some foliage super blurry

[abstract verge]

Honestly anything medium and low shouldnt exist

The noise is just that bad

I dont think anyone would choose to play with them

[placid wind]

I was…I mean even in high the noise can be bad in tunnels and stuff

So it’s like, at some point it just is what it is

I swapped to high plus DLSS quality

Which trades some less GI noise for more subpixel aliasing

Power lines are awful

Reflections in puddles also noisy with DLSS regardless of setting

[woeful bay]

ok

[placid wind]

DLAA is a big upgrade but with high RT, during rain, perf is pretty low

[woeful bay]

How do you guys take screenshots with HDR enabled?

[abstract verge]

Reshade

[odd crystal]

do you have to use offline or can i use online without risk of being banned?

[limber fiber]

windows + g and SKIV

[calm holly]

yall, disable SAM and/or REBAR with Nvidia Inspector for a smoother frame pacing, pretty buggy with it enabled

[woeful bay]

how?

[abstract verge]

In settings tab you can designate a screenshot key and it should take hdr screenshots for you next to game's exe

[digital sentinel]

What's SKIV?

[abstract verge]

Special K Image Viewer

[ornate tundra]

I have the same TV, i set paper white to around 160-180 and my peak brightness to 1000 (or adjust it with the slider in game or in reno), when avaliable I set my UI brightness lower (around 100) to reduce the risk of burn in from static objects.
You can also you a program called "ColorControl" to reduce dimming and adjusting some settings, though i suggest looking into it first before aimlessly adjusting settings lol.

[limber fiber]

you maybe have to put .png instead of jxr in the same tab

[woeful bay]

I’m going to do that. And what settings do you use on the TV?

[rancid elbow]

Definitely better than 5 I would say. The map alone is a big improvement.

[ornate tundra]

HDR: Game Optimiser (User Settings)

Advanced Setting -
Brightness -
OLED Pixel Brightness: 100 (Your choice)
Dynamic Tone Mapping: On
Epression Enhancer: Off
Near Black Detail: 0
Video Range: Auto
Motion Eye Care: On

Colour -
Tint: 0
Colour Gamut: Auto Detect
White Balance -
Colour Temp: Warm 40
Method: 2 Points
Point: High
Red, Green & Blue: 0

Some will say turn off the Dynamic tone Mapping or enable Hgig, but for me, i prefer it on.

[carmine rampart]

OLED Pixel brightness should ALWAYS be at 100.
Dynamic Tonemapping is meant for static metadata content like movies or tv shows, not video games.
Warm 50 is the most accurate color temperature on LG TVs unless they changed it in the 5/6 series models. (I'm wrong. It's warm 40 now)

[grizzled helm]

reno off/on in SDR at night

can't wait to try in HDR

[digital sentinel]

iirc warm40 is the right value on 5 and 6 series

[carmine rampart]

Ah okay nevermind then. I have a G3 where it was still warm 50.

[woeful bay]

thanks

[ornate tundra]

so you leave you DTM off for games?

[rancid elbow]

That's what you should do if you'r'e going for Accuracy yes

[calm holly]

RenoDX with Reshade "Curves" to darken the nights. 4K with DLSS M Quality, Extreme

[frail elk]

I frequently see areas with very flat lighting. Its not consistent but is present to my eyes. I'm not running ray tracing but is ultra settings.

Fh5 lighting was good everywhere

[pulsar peak]

whats a reshade curve to darken nights

also that isnt night lol

[frail elk]

Also low lod draw distance terrain. Especially at those grass terrain when nearing snow mountain areas

[pulsar peak]

lods are fine given the map size and speed, its tough to do it without killing perfomance

LODs overall are pretty good

how big is this map compared to like crimson desert?

[frail elk]

Asset Lods like these trees buildings are fine but that terrain suddenly going ultra low res bugs me

[pulsar peak]

definitely could be better but theyre pushing the limits of LODs and speed for games

cant think of another open world game where you move this fast

and has a map this big

[carmine rampart]

Yes because you can set the max brightness value in game to match your displays capabilities. DTM is for when a movie mastered for 10,000 nits peak brightness but you don't want it to clip. It automatically maps the movie/tvshow into what your display can physically show.

[carmine rampart]

Probably because the world is much more vertical so we have more general shadowed regions which makes the lighting look more flat

[carmine rampart]

LODs on Extreme are the same as highest settings FH5 I feel.

[slim schooner]

Interesting. Guess i will see tomorrow when I can finally play

[carmine rampart]

The vertical map exposes more LOD issues than the flat FH5 map. If you look into the distance when driving up the mountain in FH5 the LOD can look pretty bad too. I feel like they were smart putting that mountain in an area with not much foliage.

[pulsar peak]

Amazing views and LODs

Got nights pretty dark now

[carmine rampart]

Holy sharpening artefacts though haha

[pulsar peak]

Yeah need to turn it down. Not used to using this sharpener

[smoky cloak]

I'm enjoying the game immensely

It's really good

[safe jacinth]

is default settings good or do i need to do some custom settings? I'm waiting for game to be released in 1 hour

[carmine rampart]

Watch the HardwareUnboxed optimization guide.

[safe jacinth]

I meant for renodx settings

[carmine rampart]

RenoDX has no settings. Just on or off

[safe jacinth]

thank you so much

[pulsar peak]

Not entirely true. The in game brightness etc was modified so you change the in game settings which have been tuned for Reno

[smoky cloak]

Too oversaturated for my tastes tbh

[pulsar peak]

hahaha yeah I like saturation and contrast mmmm

[smoky cloak]

Fair enough, this is a game to crank it up in if that's your thing!

[pulsar peak]

haha definitely

[wooden timber]

Why doesn't fix the Renodx file sunglow clipping ?

[humble widget]

Does Reno fix the overbrightened nights in this game?

[silent charm]

would people recommend trueblack 500, peak 1000 or EOTF boost on the msi mpg 271qr x50 for this game?

[solar shard]

haven't found a fix yet

may not be possible

[wooden timber]

I don't know what the Renodx file does , the car lights at night are incorrect, and the sun's glare seems cut off.

[random furnace]

not really surprising, L/M does a double take and is much more advanced
but if it's just sharpness, you could try the RCAS shader from ReShade in combination with J as someone mentioned here, it can help mitigate it
of course only if you don't like the denoiser problem with L/M, then I would just stay on them 😉

[dense glen]

trueblack 500 for this game

[random furnace]

just try it out 🙂
On my monitor I thought I would like peak 1000 more than peak 1500, but in the end I stayed with 1500 because it's just that beautiful and the ABL or dimming is not as bad as I thought it would be

[solar shard]

what do you mean by incorrect?

[smoky cloak]

Looks great to my untrained eyes Jon

[low wren]

nice work
orange is orange now 😄

[woeful bay]

Guys, which of the two formats is better for taking HDR screenshots?

[low wren]

jxl is better
depends where you want to post them
if it's for discord then png

[woeful bay]

discord and whatsapp web

[low wren]

png then

[woeful bay]

ok

[unkempt grove]

is it normal for the red flares during street races to look so bad with dlss enabled?

[woeful bay]

Has anyone found the AE86 yet? I searched on YouTube for where to find it and found nothing

I found it, I even teared up a little lol

[solar shard]

welp, I've spent a bunch of time trying a bunch of stuff and literally none of it has worked out 😭

[slim schooner]

Game not unlocking in gamepass for us plebs

[low wren]

you've done a good job as it is man
don't stress too much 🙂

[low wren]

man i changed my region to NZ and it unlocked at 1pm no problem, didnt have to restart or anything

[slim schooner]

Huh, interesting

Its 1:16am where I live and nothing

[frail pivot]

44 mins

[slim schooner]

Its at 2am?

[low wren]

close xbox app fully then do this to unlock now

[slim schooner]

The countdown i saw was to 1

[frail pivot]

yeah seems like

[slim schooner]

Will try!

No luck

Whatever I´ll install it in the morning

[frail pivot]

the nz timezone method works

[placid wind]

@solar shard if i wanted to play around with this mod, am i better off forking from shortfuse and then pulling in your stuff or just forking your repo. or does it not matter. i have no plans to commit anything back, just an excuse to play around and learn at this point.

[solar shard]

uhhhhh well, my code is an absolute mess right now, but for this game probably just forking mine

[placid wind]

don't worry i'm gonna slop it up more

wish i could use my work funny money; effectively unlimited use of latest / heaviest models lul

[wet dragon]

I'm not sure what everyone is talking about but switching to preset L looks great. At least it cleaned up the noise in the shadows under trees. But I'm still early.

ah I see a bit of noise when I'm not moving but it's a lot harder to notice.

[wet dragon]

ehhh nvm still some weirdness that is too hard to ignore.

[wet dragon]

man smoke looks like ass regardless of preset

[pulsar peak]

It’s gonna get extra busy in here with full launch day coming up!

Only been premium so far

[visual nova]

nighttime in this game really looks like that one random rtx lighting demo from nvidia

[old quartz]

Headlights in the night with my 4000 nits modded panel are insane lol

[fringe mesa]

@granite nimbus please help unslop

We need volumetrics or something

The city looks awful

[granite nimbus]

Dont care for drivingslop

[fringe mesa]

ya same

but I actually wanted to try out this game for the graphics

but the graphics are ass

natural environments are fine

but cities are so ass

[wet dragon]

I've crashed twice already womp

[wispy bramble]

i dont think the graphic can be solved by renodx ? or you guys can somehow make it possible

[fringe mesa]

after this I think anything is possible

[proper fulcrum]

this game shits itself soon as i open afterburner + RTSS lol

[woeful bay]

I left Riva like this, then it’s going to work

[low wren]

relimiter works

[digital sentinel]

from what I've read on reddit the red flares have been like that since the previous game, unsure if its a PC "feature" or a bug that PG doesnt bother to fix

[solar shard]

anybody take the time to experiment with dlss presets and know which one happens to handle the noise in the RTGI the best?

[digital sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZISkwGdCXx8

[placid wind]

they're all different versions of shit, seems to be down to preference

anything except DLAA on K, L, M (all that i've tried) and subpixel aliasing is terrible

not GI, just...everything

K is probably better since its softer

[wet dragon]

M has been my preference personally

[placid wind]

RTGI on medium has pretty high softness + noise in low light areas with any preset

[wet dragon]

K and L both sucked

[placid wind]

i'm doin DLAA, Preset M, RTGI med

[wet dragon]

if I could do DLAA I would go for that

[placid wind]

its the balance of perf / noise for me (including aliasing)

[wet dragon]

definitely disapointed in the noise

[placid wind]

i'm anti frame gen so i don't use that. i could run DLAA + RTGI high otherwise.

[digital sentinel]

I couldnt stand the medium RTGI noise, switched to maxed out SSGI, preset M with DLAA, looks fine enough to me when going a bazillion miles per hour

[solar shard]

when I tested options in-game, fsr2 seemed to do well with the noise

[placid wind]

IDK what this game is doing to make DLSS perform so poorly (visually) + pretty bad RT denoising all around

[solar shard]

though...that means using fsr2

sorry fsr3

[placid wind]

maybe the power lines lack motion vectors or something

they're always hard but in this game its particularly bad

RDR2 with DLAA its hard to spot much breakup

fitna try preset E

[smoky cloak]

DLSS K with DLAA is the sweet spot for me. 4K 5090, 2xFG, RCAS. Only remaining gripe is some ghosting directly behind the car, which I've learned to live with.

Preset M was noisy with RTGI

[placid wind]

E might actually be good lul

[old quartz]

Glad I switched my second 5090 to the simrig

DLAA 4K RT now

[digital sentinel]

second 5090

[old quartz]

Normally it is connected to my living room TV for couch gaming

[proper fulcrum]

thanks

[placid wind]

i'm back to preset L + quality + high RT atm

this might be it. the subpixel aliasing is manageable and there is little RT noise.

TBH SSGI is fine in 80% of scenarios...if i had a mid range GPU, just run that, fuck RT lul

[wet dragon]

im getting awful stutter even though my performance is good weird

[digital sentinel]

disable ingame vscync and force it via driver

and disable reflex from the ingame options if you're on nvidia

[marble geyser]

don't put this curse on us they might actually do it

[marble geyser]

you do care for crimson desert? i thought that was slop game

[granite nimbus]

I left

Working on other things

[marble geyser]

Did care*

Daily updates for that shit is so ass for yall

😭

[wispy bramble]

god damn wtf

[fallen jolt]

Try DLDSR (x1.78 @ 100% smoothness) + DLSS Preset L @ balanced or quality. I think overall it looks better than Preset K + DLAA.

[wet dragon]

I always have it that way, vsync, and as far as reflex won't it be on regardless since I'm using FG? I can try the toggle though.

[digital sentinel]

I did see @fierce rover test frametimes with FG on and off, and off was significantly smoother than on

[wet dragon]

I'll give it a try, surprisingly decent framerate without it, granted I'm on performance/balanced.

[solar shard]

Btw I pushed an update into snapshots and things happened and I forgot to post a build. Now I’m in bed.

Minor update, just some small tweaks to the tone mapping.

If anybody wants it, it’s probably live through the link on the renodx mods wiki page

[smoky cloak]

Cool I'll try, thanks

[smoky cloak]

Will try this too 😎

[solar shard]

Oh I guess it’s still building

Oh nvm it’s live as of 1 min ago lmao

[marble geyser]

just realized i could finally play it

did the opening looks great so far

not sure how much of a difference I would've noticed vs default hdr tho lol

very pretty game

[fallen jolt]

pretty big difference IMO, especially at night in the city area. Default hdr has often times poor blacklevel. Colors are also affected.

[misty epoch]

can someone link me to this, I cannot find this page

found it - https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/mods#

[marble geyser]

Yeah from the screenshots i've seen it looks really awesome

will have to do some testing myself when i have time

[obsidian panther]

Hmm how much modding potential does forza 6 have? From the screenshots and videos, the graphics looks a bit too “clinical”

[pulsar peak]

Probably not too invasive due to it being online and having some form of checks. But nexus has tons of mods already from car models to sounds and more. I added a mod that brings back the Forza horizon 3 water splashes on the screen. So there’s some potential for sure

[low wren]

you can really tell the difference toggling on/off
colours look more colourful and closer to what they should be
orange looks orange for example now

[wispy bramble]

so this mod is currently the best way to play?

[fallen delta]

it feels a bit over saturated, do you guys leave saturation at 100?

[marble geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[marble geyser]

100?

you mean 50?

default it usually 50 or around there unless it's changed recently

[low wren]

the mod is just on/off

[marble geyser]

oh true yeah i forgot

there no way to adjust that stuff?

[low wren]

on / off
colours punchier for sure
looks nicer

black floor better too

[marble geyser]

yeah saturation is a bit much there lol

[low wren]

oh i like saturation 🙂

[marble geyser]

fair enough

[south grotto]

hows game

[fallen delta]

default is at 100 for me

[low wren]

good so far after a few hours
more of the same when it comes to forza horizon, they've not strayed from the formula
if you liked the other ones then you'll like this

[marble geyser]

is it a in game setting?

[marble geyser]

ah okay

forgot about that

[south grotto]

ngl Fh5 "story" felt ultra cringe

[low wren]

yeah same here
it's a big car circle jerk with everyone egging each other on about how great they are at driving etc

[marble geyser]

probably not gonna be any different based of my first 30 minutes

[south grotto]

[marble geyser]

good thing that's not why anyone plays these games ig

[south grotto]

tru but would be nice to have a decent story

where im not treated like im 3 years old

[low wren]

one thing that i've noticed so far is that all the trees are destructible so you're not gonna hit some solid oak flying through a forest wrecking your combo

[south grotto]

[south temple]

is this works on gamepass version?

[low wren]

yes

[south temple]

i tried it but no diff maybe something wrong with my preset or install?

[low wren]

use RHI to make sure it installs correctly
#1474481327691665553 message

[south temple]

so reshade 6.7 not working anymore?

[low wren]

6.7.3 is latest

[south temple]

yes i using that preset

i installed on gamelaunchelper.exe its works but the reshade not have diff on and off

[low wren]

you dont need to worry about that with RHI
it'll install reshade next to the games proper exe and work no problem

[south temple]

hmm ok i will try rhi should i uninstall my reshade before?

[low wren]

yeah delete the dxgi.dll next to gamelaunchhelper

[south temple]

which one i should install

[low wren]

you'll be good like that
if you want a frame limiter just choose one of them, relimiter is pretty good but either will do
they're optional really

[south temple]

Ic ic, so it is safe for fh6? Despite it being multiplayer?

[low wren]

yeah you need reshade for renodx

i blacklisted these for you too so they'll be hidden when you refresh

[frozen edge]

Can't wait to try it out

[low wren]

playground have nailed it again man
game is fun

[south temple]

off - on

[frozen edge]

Is my first forza horizon game

[south temple]

ahh now i see the dif

its very subtle though

[low wren]

you're in for a treat then ha

[frozen edge]

How is the fomo? That's kinda worrying me a bit

[south temple]

its looks like without mods the sky was washed out like tree

[frozen edge]

Played 5 on the cloud a bit and I remember it had a lot of fomo cars and events

[low wren]

game will have legs so you won't miss anything
horizon 5 was supported for months/years

[frozen edge]

Legs?

[digital sentinel]

knees and toes?

[fringe trench]

leg

[slim schooner]

Holy shit they did this in crimson? Good shit. Is it perf heavy?

[grizzled helm]

not that heavy

[fallow swallow]

gonna have to wait and see, first festival playlist doesnt start for a couple days but there's some sort of "playlist history" thing now so hopefully its better than it was

[grizzled helm]

depends on the settings though. the renodx crimson mod is like a remake

even has custom ray tracing shaders to replace the game's implementation

[slim schooner]

Nice stuff. I guess I’ll check it out when I finally buy the game. Dunno if I’ll have a lot of perf to spare at 4K with a 4080 tho

I heard with RR this game is HEAVY

[grizzled helm]

yeah and the game kinda relies on RR for a good chunk of its ray tracing impact

yet stuff like grass shading is still broken with RR, only renodx fixes it

[slim schooner]

Thanks Forge 🙏

[grizzled helm]

looks like a 2.0 overhaul

[grizzled helm]

you can see more in #crimson-desert ofc. but this really shows that reno could solve so much in games

[grizzled helm]

man this reminds me of yakuza 0

just missing some bloom

[frozen edge]

E:0-17

Such a fun game

🔥🔥🔥

[fallow swallow]

can apparently be from windows debloaters, having metered connection on, or other stuff that can block connecting to microsoft services like your hosts file or something

[pulsar peak]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-snake-ocelot-kiss-mgs-gif-17840599

Saturation gang

[spark meteor]

blocky minecraft flares, yeah .... annoying af

[spark meteor]

he always needs to flex with that. I hear that constantly in crimson desert channel from him ^^ you get used to it.

[frozen edge]

Hosts files was it

Holy

The FFB is so good

[dark moss]

is there a fix for bright nights ?

[digital sentinel]

[fallow swallow]

not besides lowering overall brightness as far as i know :( been brighter since 5 sadly, 4 was darker at night

[spark meteor]

fomo is gone, every car from any playlist can now spawn in the map for you to buy with credits after the festival has ended.

[fallow swallow]

it'll be really good if they do that, think a dev said they might do something like that with the aftermarket cars but i didnt think there was any confirmation beyond that?

[dark moss]

Game is gorgeous but i really don’t like the how the night looks. Hopefully renodx gets an update that fixes it or something

[spark meteor]

that is exactly how it works now, you missed a car, go for aftermarket random spawns

[fallow swallow]

nice if true, im still doubtful they'll completely get rid of fomo... here's hoping

[spark meteor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/1soe35a/fomo_pretty_much_confirmed_to_not_be_in_fh6/

it's true

no need to be doubtful

[fallow swallow]

yep, i guess my faith in a modern AAA game completely getting rid of fomo isnt high... im just concerned with the way they word this that it'll only be certain secondary cars and not every one available as part of it

[spark meteor]

understandable

[keen dune]

how can I install renodx?

[spark meteor]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/mods#

[keen dune]

perfext, is there also a ultra realistic shader out? Or are you just using renodx only

[spark meteor]

using reno only , i just played with saturation and contrast a bit on my own .

[keen dune]

hm I saw some 4k ultra realistic shader for horizon 5 so I want to improve my graphics also 😄

[spark meteor]

where ?

[keen dune]

on youtube

[spark meteor]

i'd like to improve that here

[keen dune]

what are your settings bro? iam confused about mine

what do you choose here? I have a RTX 5080

[fallow swallow]

theres probably reshade presets available in places, usually tend to overdo things and not look great imo, i think it looks fine with just reno

[spark meteor]

gimme a sec to boot up the game

[keen dune]

thanks bro

and here, dont know which I need to use.. cant use both

[spark meteor]

5070Ti

[keen dune]

Okey I copied your settings

[fallow swallow]

ray tracing is more demanding and may have more noise, but is more accurate and tends to look better, if you want more performance use screen space, can use real time preview in game to compare

[spark meteor]

I use screen space reflections instead of ray traced ones. rtgi is on though

[keen dune]

ah for better graphics use Raytrace?

thanks

[spark meteor]

yes

these settings are the sweetspot for my 5070Ti to run above 100fps

in uwqhd

[fallow swallow]

rt looks better in a lot of places but screen space looks pretty good too, been swapping between using it and not, glad you dont need to restart between settings changes like the older games

[spark meteor]

tweak it to your liking

[keen dune]

I put the addon in my game folder but turning off or on dont changes anything

[spark meteor]

it is very subtle

[keen dune]

oh okey

[spark meteor]

switch on or off at nights

[fallow swallow]

make sure hdr is on at the top of video settings btw, was off by default for me on first launch

easier to tell in game, not sure theres any difference in the menu

[keen dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf204gn_c-8 this is what I meant with ultra realistic

[fallow swallow]

if they're using a reshade preset its probably just some extra contrast/sharpening, doesnt look too different from vanilla

[spark meteor]

reflections are better

[south grotto]

"ultra realisitic" more like dogshit xd

[fallow swallow]

I'd just use reno and not anything else to begin with and can mess with effects or presets later

[fallow swallow]

yea not a fan of 99% of those ultra realistic 4k photoreal rtx on ass presets lmao

[spark meteor]

foggy weather

@keen dune You could turn on rt reflections if you have a 5080 . Game looks okay to me .

[slim schooner]

Any must have mods?

[spark meteor]

I use https://www.nexusmods.com/forzahorizon6/mods/54 and https://www.nexusmods.com/forzahorizon6/mods/13

[fallow swallow]

yea on a 5080 you should be good with both, think rtgi is more demanding on high than reflections too iirc

[spark meteor]

rtgi is more demanding, yes