Display Commander - Changelog

[keen void]

👍

[lofty jewel]

Absolute W

[ivory pendant]

@tame dock my suggestion for DC2 is being as modular as possible. I think the ability to kinda only choose the features you want would be nice.

Using DC1 as an example, say I didn’t want dc to touch texture filtering at all, I could disable and hide that section

I was just using that as an example

Like a build your own type of deal. Give me the fps limiter and frame time graph for example

Right now I’m thinking you have a default set of features and a tab or menu somewhere that has checkboxes and a brief description of the feature.

I’m not sure what you imagined for the ui

If it was planned to be similar to dc1

Yeah. It could be right aligned so it’s always there but not in your “features” cluster on the left

I was thinking like how in dc1 you have like 10ish dropdowns on the main tab. Each one of those would be “feature”

So it wouldn’t be that many. Especially not at the beginning

Keeps it clean and minimal to not overwhelm people but lets you turn all the dials if you want to

Honestly I need to look at DC1 again

Not home rn though

Display is the obvious one

For resolution, forcing borderless, etc

An fps limiter as well obviously

I’m not sure what you mean exactly. Are the spaces different drop downs?

[keen void]

menu design

[ivory pendant]

I think like things being separated more

Like display is just res and window mode and such and then an fps limiter section and a dlss section etc etc

[keen void]

having too many sub menus isnt good

those are all "common" features

well dlss should have a seperate section, i do agree with that

[ivory pendant]

It’s not submenus, it’s just different headers

[keen void]

like this ?

blank rows between sections

#1484495867586281493 message

[ivory pendant]

Yeah

Each one of those would be a drop down

And you could disable and hide that section entirely if you don’t want DC to touch it at all

Keeps bloat down and makes it easier to learn

I guess it’s really toggles for feature sets more than it is for features

[glad agate]

good menu, i also like when menu have a indicator that show there is more than 1 option, exemple the little white boxes in the rainbow six siege menu

[glad agate]

of course, i was talking more about fps limiter types etc

[normal gorge]

i not reading dis shit

set custom font

and spacing

consolas, cpmono v07, relicus

idc just make it readable

im pretty sure you dont need ttf file at all, ask claude how to built it in

yeah you need independent renderer to do it

its imgui so it should support every api

no you can hash it in or something like that

similiar to icon

[errant fractal]

Damn, you should ask less politely, even

[quaint hull]

too much green on his life

i agree with the whole idea, display commander 1 is giving me headache

too many option and we get lost

last time i needed the feature fakefullscreen and couldnt figure out

[ivory pendant]

@eager pine this is kinda the perfect time to work with pmnox if you have anything with displaycommander you want that could help rdxc lol

[quaint hull]

well actually i think im wrong its not that

i needed something for forcing borderless

on opengl game where i cant use specialk with my intel gpu

[ivory pendant]

🫡

[quaint hull]

ahj its per game ?

[eager pine]

with rdxc now what i've started doing is actually keeping everything local to the game except reshade
it was becoming really difficult to manage deleting shaders and moving to global shaders when people swapped between using dc or just reshade and ended up quite confusing
now how rdxc works is it only ever looks for reshade64.dll in the global folder but i keep everything else with the game exe which people find easier to work with
ideally everybody would use dc and it would be simple but they dont

imo i think this would just make things harder to manage

[oak socket]

Hmm

[west ibex]

oh thats why no longer updated lol

[west ibex]

Sorry that happened to you

[echo pivot]

Just my 2 cents, all I ever use is the frame limiter. Ever

But I only really play newer games

[echo pivot]

Pretty sure you can throw the old code in Claude and say "make this different enough to avoid licencing implications"?!

🙃

Ah I see

Just how_different_ does the code need to be? Seems such a grey area

[ivory pendant]

welcome to the debate that has been raging sense the first ai images popped up :)

[echo pivot]

No doubt!

We can't be far away from the point of no return, where everything is fair game. Obviously not saying that's a good thing but it's inevitable

[ivory pendant]

id argue the game folder or the pictures folder in windows is a better default. its kinda buried in that folder

oh i see

i mean it would be a good option to have

but you should still support game folder for sure

[wintry fjord]

I wonder if this would break if using Linux

[ivory pendant]

like only load from there if the file doesnt exist in the game folder

its weird, i refreshed rdxc 15 mintues after i refreshed it before and theres no new DC version. Something is wrong in the universe

@eager pine what are your thoughts on defaults for DC file structure? for rdxc

[wintry fjord]

each game at least on Steam has its own prefix which has drive_c folder structure inside it, that is why I'm wondering if anything global will stick

[ivory pendant]

are you interested in tightly intigrating with RDXC? or do would you prefer to let him do his own thing?

you could basically have someone making your SKIF lol

i just mean it could be valuable to work with him for the sake file structure choices

id imagine RDXC will likely be the way mose people use RENO and DC2 eventually

i agree. I just mean talking to him so the file structre is condusive to working with RDXC without too much custom ini jank

it would just be a good thing to consider is all

oh okay lol

[keen void]

i personal prefer things locally

[ivory pendant]

yes pleaqse

[eager pine]

i have actually started to prefer having everything saved local to the game
rehade64.dll it doesn't really matter about that as it's the same for everything, barring vulkan
but shaders, profiles etc being local makes everything waaaaay eaiser to control

[ivory pendant]

gotcha

[normal gorge]

move to russia to be able steal all their shit from github and apply 10 layers of obfuscation

[tame dock]

Abandoned Project

[tame dock]

DC Support

[red carbon]

🥹 🙏

[toxic blaze]

is DC back? 🙏

[echo pivot]

It's so back

[ivory pendant]

@tame dock can you give a message to the people

Is it back

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-doe-winter-deer-interview-gif-16806606910500140994

[tame dock]

DC is back!

I’ll change DC to be GPL-3

[toxic blaze]

[wintry fjord]

oh Lord he riseth!

[polar bay]

[wintry fjord]

if I may be so bold, what made you change your mind?

[tame dock]

The main purpose of DC, isn't the code itself, it was always about finding what general features are useful in games, that aren't provided by developers. The code itself can be rewritten later, it isn't that important. I may as well make it GPL-3.

[ivory pendant]

So DC2 is on hold then?

[tame dock]

I can publish it. The main point is that by releasing DC as GPL-3, brining repo up, decreases the need to rush anything.

It looks like people would would rather DC be fixed to support new games, than prioritizing DC2, so will be given lower priority.

[ivory pendant]

Honestly I think i have the opposite opinion

A fresh code base you can build up slowly and reliably to be stable with minimal AI slop that nobody can understand lol

[tame dock]

Exactly, not all features will be available imediately, so there is no need to rush half-baked features.

[ivory pendant]

So you’ll be working on DC2 while providing stability updates to DC1?

If I’m understanding

[tame dock]

Yeah.

[ivory pendant]

That sounds great

[tame dock]

For example, the stats were written in messy way in DC1, due to FPS limiter changing constantly.

Rewring those in the middle, without breaking anything is hard.

[ivory pendant]

I know rankFTW started a similar project when we were under the impression you weren’t coming back so I’m not sure the best method to co-exist

[tame dock]

Who knows, perhaps most people will be happy with rankFTW project, and people will favor it rather than DC2, making DC2 irrelevant.

rankFTW may also write it in such a way, that's deeply integrated with RDXC, for creating folders, and such, which wouldn't be possible with DC, due to GPL-3 licensing issues, etc.

Or may not want to support it at all, etc.

[wintry fjord]

I'm happy with either you supporting original DC or working on DC2

[tame dock]

The main question for DC/DC2 is what functionality it provides from the user perspective.

[wintry fjord]

DC2 starting out as a "lite" version at the beginning would be ideal for my use case as on Linux not all original DC features actually work properly and I even managed to brick a game a couple of times since some features are Windows only

I mainly need fps limiter/frame pacing and sometimes window management

[tame dock]

RankFTW has exactly those features.

At leasts that's what it looks like.

[wintry fjord]

I'm not entirely sure RDXC is Linux compatible? I like to use DC since I already use Reshade for Reno

[tame dock]

RDXC is just a launcher. Whatever RankFTW is writing, will likely be some dll that's shown inside the game.

[wintry fjord]

what you cooked up worked wonders in the past so I'd rather use something I know has worked in the past than move on to something I have to fiddle with again

[tame dock]

It may be easier to mantain DC, and clean it up, by removing uneeded features, such as games tab, injection code, etc.

I could start by rewriting DC's UI.

So, it can be used for DC2, and later rewrite internals.

[red carbon]

I'm not actually personally sure what else DC could do that I could ever think of. Unless it can start giving us winning lottery numbers.

[wintry fjord]

also a bit of my own fault that I had to click some volume control tab open when I know it is made with Windows in mind, of course it is going to fail monumentally on Linux

[tame dock]

It's not your fault. All, features that don't work on linux should be disabled.

Thanks to you, I added checks.

[wintry fjord]

Ma, get the camera, I did something!

[red carbon]

Hangs picture of the Discord chat log, taken on a Kodak.

[tame dock]

For example, recommendation on what to optimize, list of marks, on what's not optmized.

[red carbon]

I'll try to brainstorm more, I still install DC into everything possible.

[tame dock]

For example:

• recommended swap chain upgaded
• recommended low latency mode
• ...

[tame dock]

Those things, are already implemented, but it's hard to find in the UI, you need to know what to look for.

It's kind like things, Special-K does by default, but you have to manually op-in, and you know a change was made.

So, you know which feature causes crash, or improvement, etc.

[ivory pendant]

It’s possible the end goal for DC could be more power user focused while rankTFW’s could be a little more light weight

[hollow anvil]

A question,
Is default commander settings the best ones? Or are they defaulted for compatibility? If so, what is the best settings?

[tame dock]

Basically, in the middle between rankTFW's and Special-K ?

[tame dock]

They are defaulted for compatibility. Though, usually extra settings help much.

[ivory pendant]

like specialK but for 100% reshade/reno combatibility

in terms of scale

[hollow anvil]

What do you recommend? I have vrr cap on, nothing else changed

[ivory pendant]

idk, id have to check with rankTFW and see what his goals are

[tame dock]

There are settings, like low latency mode, max limited frames, etc. that help improve latency in some cases.

Though, nvidia doesn't enable them by default for a reason, usually they may be causing isues in soem games.

And, games may be small.

[gray raptor]

What happened to Display Commander? lol

[red carbon]

The commander has returneth.

[tame dock]

TLDR licensing issue were getting resolved.

[gray raptor]

Licensing?

[tame dock]

Yeah, it's not GPL-3.

[tame dock]

Basiscally, a rule exists, that even if you use one function, from anothere GPL-3 project, and relase it, you need to convert it automatically to GPL-3. Kind of like cancer spreading.

You can't really ever cut it out, for pratical purposes.

[gray raptor]

🤔

[tame dock]

That's why Microsoft called it a cancer. Imagine having 1m lines of code, and even accidental release of 10 lines of GPL-3, would force you to convert the whole thing to GPL-3. I think it's bulshit, I just found about it.

[gray raptor]

And what does GPL-3 require of you?

To make it all open?

[tame dock]

Convert, and relase all code as GPL-3.

so, form now on, anyone using code from DC, even irrevelant parts, will have to convert all their code to GPL-3, etc.

Anyway, it's fine, I converted repo to GPL-3, I'll live with it. I'll try to avoid reading any GPL-3 code in the future.

[gray raptor]

I mean. If you've already bought into it does it really even matter anymore?

[tame dock]

I can't release DC as MIT, as I originally planned.

Well, not easily, as there will be always some doubt, that GPL-3 code may remain.

[gray raptor]

What does that stop you from doing? Can't charge for the feature or something because of the license?

[tame dock]

I'm unable to release code as library, etc.

Even if someone were to use a library, they would have to convert whole code to GPL-3.

[gray raptor]

Hence the cancer analogy

[tame dock]

LGPL-3 exists, which allows to use such libraries, and only requires posting modifications to the library code.

TLDR I don't like having GPL-3 code on my drive, just to make sure some LLM doesn't pick it up.

It was the case with DC, due to my mistake.

[gray raptor]

RIP. Sorry to hear that : (

[tame dock]

In this case it was my legit mistake. But I've seen LLM read files from where it wasn't supposed to.

I thought I was careful enough, but apparently not.

[tame dock]

I could also split, the loaded from DC2, as independent project.
It would be able to load DC/reshade from local/global locations, etc.
Act as DLL proxy.

Maybe, with it's own config file.

Ideally, some modular design would be good from what I'm seeing.

[wintry fjord]

I use everything locally as global injection stuff is usually configured to work with Windows so folder structures are most likely not present in my use case

[lunar locust]

[tame dock]

I have it mostly ready, but I need to do some cleanup, and do some research. For, example technically each binary release should include an UI, to display all licences, etc. Lot of things, I need to clean up, like that.

[rare bough]

Is that completely true though? There's licenses like CDDL that are incompatible with GPLv3. CDDL requires any copied files to be CDDL, and GPLv3 requires all source code of the software to be GPL compatible. If you had a GPLv3 project, used CDDL code, and distributed it, you would neither be able to relicense the project to CDDL nor keep it as GPLv3 without violating licenses. This hypothetical doesn't apply to DC since the lack of a license doesn't inherently create incompatibility, but the more I read into it the less it seems worthwhile to invest into GNU plagued code.

[tame dock]

I'm not a lawyer. But, from what i'm reading GPL-3 requires you to provide license for all patents needed for the code to turn, which is to prevent patent owners from sueing users. If you can't do it, you are in breach of agreement.

Breaching an agreement or not, doesn't mean you have to do it automatically (because it may be impossible for example), just that you are breaching agreement, and are liable to whatever legal consequences are by the law.

Not complying, would mean, that people would be hesistant to touch/distribute the binary, due to it's unknown legal status (true or not is irrelevant).

I don't want to put users in that state of having to use binary with uknown legal status. This is the deciding factor for moving with GPL-3, despite my disgust dislike of having to be forced to put GPL-3 licence over DC.

[rare bough]

Yeah, you can't un-GPL what you've already GPL'd, I just think that continuing to fix DC1 is counterproductive and I really like this suggestion for DC2: #1484495867586281493 message

[tame dock]

Actually, you can un-GPL project for feature releases of the code, but you have to have a proof that's done. It's would be messy to do so, requiring inspection of every line/file of code.

It's too late for DC. For that, I would have to proof that my method of writing code was clean. Which, I intented to be clean, but I messed up. Probably, 99% is save to move to new project, but instead, I can rewrite the code in fraction of the time, with less bugs, less lines of code, etc.

[lunar locust]

Im not really into these license issues but what I dont quite understand is, what is the issue with just using gpl3 for DC?

[tame dock]

In general it's fine for the end-user. However, I want to keep my computer clean out of GPL-3 code, from other projects, because LLM may pick up some code from other projects on the same machine (theoretically), without me knowing.

It shouldn't, but what if does, kind of scenerio. I want to avoid finding out a few months after the fact. Like in this case. As I planned to make DC Mit code.

[lunar locust]

rip, would need a seperate environment just for DC development in that case i guess

[tame dock]

In general it's fine, I see which files LLM is reading, but being able to say, my PC is free of GPL-3 code, is a good standard practice IMHO.

Though, this also puts more work into it, as I have to read all LLM transcripts, including thoughts to double check.

[tame dock]

For DC2 it's fine. As I include resources, what code is based on. i.e. link to official documentation, public api headers, etc.

[lunar locust]

i see

[tame dock]

And, I also converted .gitignore to be a while list, so LLM doesn't include any extra files, etc. Like scripts, etc.

[tame dock]

Also, DC's code contained a lot of experimental code, i was playing with testing how features work, etc.
A code, I should have never pushed to repo, even though I planned to only put in code temporarily, etc.

[lunar locust]

[tame dock]

Even if I put a code as an experiment, it may already violate GNU agreement, because someone may say that a temporary build is already a released binary to public. Those are downsides of having public code on github, which wouldn't be an issue for closed source code, as private company, may be able to revert all changes and notice the issue before the release. I didn't realize I have to pay attention to stuff like that. So having a dual-repo public/private may be a good idea for DC2.

[tame dock]

Also, for safety of other projects, I shouldn't be linking, showing screenshots of DC anymore. As someone, could questions their code, if they were to implement it like that. Like, I shared screenshot of the code, how I do when I was asked a question to RenoDX, etc.

Same thing, as Kal showing Special-K code, to improve DC, situation.

[placid topaz]

What?
If I share a snippet of my own code, as the copyright holder, it's not subject to the license terms for the project as a whole.
If it's code written by one of Special K's contributors, on the other hand, I'd need to get their authorization to grant you different terms.

Either way, don't like just paste snippets of code into a project 😛 If you've been shown something, it's to explain how something works rather than expecting you to just integrate it directly.

If you follow that general rule, you'll never have any problems like these.

[tame dock]

Yeah, but someone could question it later. For, example like the code, you once shown me, on how to set dpi properly for the game. You forgot about it, and a few months, later, you said there are code similarities so this proof it needs to be under GNU, it's from Special-k.

I would have to keep track, of everything you pasted, to have a written record, I can use that code, which isn't practical.

I'm not saying, this was the only issue with DC having to become GPL-3, but it would be an issue nevertheless.

Like you said, good practice is to understand the code, and implement it not suggesting the original implementation.

At the very least not though LLM, which could just copy the whole code given URL, like it did.

[placid topaz]

Right. And I wasn't threatening you with any action, I merely pointed out that it's GPL code and the license text for that code is absent from the project.
You're perfectly free to rewrite that stuff yourself and then eliminate any license requirements.

[tame dock]

From what I had read on how it works, it's really messy. I wasn't thinking about you sueing me. However, anyone who downloads the binary, could sue demanding the original code to be released as GPL, etc.

[placid topaz]

I mean, GitHub exists for exactly this reason.
Your concern was more of a valid point in the 90s when the whole (paraphrasing) "source code must be available upon request at cost of distribution" was actually challenging to implement (i.e. developer had to ship a customer a CD with source code).
Now you just make the project repository publically acessible on GitHub/Source Forge/whatever and you've met your obligation.

[tame dock]

Well, techically, code in temporaly test build, will never be shipped to the main repo. (i.e. broken code / experimental feature / etc.)

the question here is what counts as release.

[placid topaz]

That... sounds like a bad idea 🤷
The whole Git "blame" thing works best if you actually check-in all those experimental changes and people can track them back to changes in the code.
That way more than just you has eyes on the code and other devs can actually assist you with stuff.

[tame dock]

@placid topaz Main question here is what acounts as release?

• discord exe?
• latest automated build on repo
• latest manual release on github (versioned with tag)

[placid topaz]

Anything redistributed.

[tame dock]

What is "redistributed" ?

[placid topaz]

Left your hands?

[tame dock]

So, there is no way to do safely private testing. Unlike, in companies, that may ship once a month or so.

If that's the case I'll have to take that into the account, and create 2nd private repo, for storing any experimental branches. Before, I inspect all the code.

[placid topaz]

I stand corrected. "Release" is a public version, basically.
For private testing, it's not an issue.

[tame dock]

So, anything in "DC Support" counts as public?

[placid topaz]

No, you can't get here without an account and joining the server.

That's effectively an internal build.

[tame dock]

Ok

Though, anything I push gets build imediately, so I probably need two repos anyway.

At least, so people don't start using broken builds.

[placid topaz]

All builds are broken. It's software.

[ivory tiger]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, and I'm playing devil's advocate here, but even putting a build out on a closed discord would count as a public release, unless everyone in that discord has signed an NDA technically? Otherwise no one is under any obligation to not share it?

[placid topaz]

Then the responsibility to make the source code public falls on the shoulders of whoever redistributed the unreleased version of the software, not the developer.

[tame dock]

TLDR, you can't legally redistribute the private release from discord. According to this.

[placid topaz]

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic

Special K's Discord server is part of the Special K organization, the nightly builds there don't need to have source code available, but of course they do because it would be pointless to distribute test builds without the source code being tested 🙂

[tame dock]

maybe I should create organization, and distribute software through it. It sounds like more safe option.

I guess, even if it wasn't GPL. You wouldn't have right to redistribute, as no license attached, doesn't mean there is no license.

[ivory tiger]

I mean SK has the licenses written in the help section of the UI, so I guess with DC, as long as it's displayed somewhere, and as with both cases the code is freely accessible (eg. Linked GitHub), everyone who shares/reshares it is technically covered?

[tame dock]

I need to update DC, to also show those in the UI.

[tame dock]

They are as part of source code dependencies.

[tame dock]

https://github.com/pmnoxx/display-commander/blob/main/THIRD_PARTY_NOTICES.txt

Since, source code is supposed to be included with all releases, you are supposed to check it for all licenses.

This does have implications. You can't assume whole source code given will be BSD-3, as some imports may not be, etc.

[ivory tiger]

Oh I meant a link in said software to repo with the full license.

[tame dock]

Yeah, I added it

[ivory tiger]

Ie. Kal's included a lot in here, but tbh from what im reading just a link to the repo that contains the full licences is more than enough/

[tame dock]

I may also have to add , Decline, Agree button.

[ivory tiger]

sorted! done! now yeah include a check box so 99.89% of people can hide it for good forever after 😅

[tame dock]

Anyway, I added help menu quickly as separate tab, later I'll rewrite it.

[ivory tiger]

actually i dont even think it needs to pop up in your face, as long as its easy to find without special effort, or yeah in a help menu, should be golden

[tame dock]

Technically, I need licences version variables. Max licence number accepted, etc.

maintaining the code, means, I have to sort those things out.

[ivory tiger]

I don't know what you mean there, but I trust you're doing the doing your due diligence!

[tame dock]

Disagree kills the app, btw.

Technically, I could even add blocking UI, etc. Though this is good enough.

to release DC2, I would have to do the same thing first, etc. I may do those things later.

[ivory tiger]

what do you mean i can't run SK and DC at the same time ffs pls fix aha

[tame dock]

I added this as a feature. Copatibility with Special-K.

You can use SK, to measure, stats, or DC to measure SK.

[ivory tiger]

i joke there's no actual reason to do so im just messing now 😅

[tame dock]

I used to block DC from running if Special-K is detected, and vice-versa.

[ivory tiger]

i only tried with reshade as an sk plugin, early or late didn't seem to take in this dx12 game at least

[tame dock]

doing less is better.

Maybe I should load SK, if it's called SpecialK64.dll and it's in local folder.

[ivory tiger]

100% - tbh im so used to sk now as my default for frame pacing and hdr tonemapping, however for instances where custom Luma or RenoRX builds are avalible, they often can look better and/or perform better than SK's HDR remastering, so in those cases what you've done with DC is awesome.

[tame dock]

That's fine. This means I focus on supporting games where SK doesn't work. So less maintance work.

For example, DX9 RenoDX games, or RenoVK, where SK may have trouble working.

[ivory tiger]

Thats just me though. I dare say there's more people used to reshade and how that works compared to Special K, so there'll likely be many people (like those on this discord) who will prefer to use DC for everything.

[tame dock]

I mean, if DC is broken, you can often you use SK, and vice versa, no need to wait a few days until it gets fixed.

[ivory tiger]

oh yeah big time.

[tame dock]

Or game is steam only, so Kal won't be able to play it.

[red carbon]

Well, read enough in this in the past two days to never want to bother with public release coded projects. The rules alone, all it sounds like is every other major company in the world likely has a whirldwind of lawsuits just because of happens upon code that random people happen upon. Love it.

[tame dock]

Usually, you don't know if closed-source company ships that code, so they may never disclose it.

[red carbon]

That's precisely my point.

Joke of a logic circle.

You're good so long as no one understands your code is, pretty much like someone else's.

[tame dock]

This affects most, codes with public code on github, etc.

[red carbon]

This type of issue in the music or writing world would be so wildly comical.

[tame dock]

even MIT licences, require you to mention the contribution.

So, I need to recheck whole code of DC, for any I may have missed.

[red carbon]

Also my point, you could have accidentally done what others have, that's all.

Only so many ways things can be executed, internet is full of this by now, no doubt.

That's what I meant by music industry already went through this, a whole ton in the past.

[tame dock]

Are you supposed to write the song, and then if one already exists?

[tame dock]

DC offers similar HDR upgrade + perceptual boost. UI could use some work, as it’s not automatic.

Though, UI could be improved, to make it more clear.

[wise grove]

Can DC enable DLSS on games that don't natively support them like Luma?

[tame dock]

No, this requires per game mods.

[wise grove]

Shucks, having trouble getting DC to run with Luma on FF7 Remake

[tame dock]

What’s the issue?

[wise grove]

game won't boot just sits in windows after pressing Play in Steam

when i remove DC it boots again

Luma is already installed

[tame dock]

How do you install luma?

Dc/reshade?

Do you have DisplayCommander.log?

[wise grove]

i installed Luma from Nexus

[tame dock]

You do have renodx-unrealengine, as well as Luma

[wise grove]

it's not there anymore

it was there at one time by mistake but i don't see it anymore

yeah I sorted by filename and there is no file named renodx-unrealengine

[tame dock]

which remake was it?

the intergrate?

[wise grove]

First with Intergrade yes

[keen void]

i tried some luma mods with dc

all worked

but i didnt try ff7re

[tame dock]

Everything looks fine from the logs. I'll test it locally, I need to redownload the game.

@wise grove do you have reshade.log, it may tell why it's shutting down?

[keen void]

all luma mods i tried had issue with sk

not sure if thats fixed

[tame dock]

did you try deleting DisplayCommander.toml?

[wise grove]

No

But I want DC

So I just deleted it and will retry with DC

[tame dock]

Try it, someone old toml version causes issues.

[tame dock]

Hmm, works for me

[wise grove]

Gotta shut down withcer

[tame dock]

@keen void If you have logs for crimson desert, I can take a look, and try to fix it.

[sweet heart]

@tame dock 0.12.617.2998 Crimson Desert not launching

[wise grove]

Ok so I can hear the game music but the icon in the taskbar disappears

[tame dock]

Do you happen to have reshade.log as well?

[wise grove]

If I mijnimize all my windows i just see Windows desktop, and Alt+Tab shows no game window

[tame dock]

Did you add "-dx11", when launching the game to the properties?

[wise grove]

Yeah and if I remove DC it boots as normal

I think it's Vortex mods

I have lot of texture packs

I remembre now those interere with SpecialK

[tame dock]

I see the issue the likely issue in the logs.

01:28:31:300 [33608] | DEBUG | ApplyWindowChange: Setting new style -1811939328 -> 335544320

[tame dock]

You are not using the default config, I see changes being applied

01:28:20:912 [36660] | INFO  |   window_mode 0->1

[wise grove]

where is this changed? I don't know what i've done lol

[wise grove]

in reshade settings or something?

[tame dock]

Maybe, in global config?

[wise grove]

Maybe his Luma mod changed that b/c i never touched it

[wise grove]

Any wya to change that without booting into the game?

[tame dock]

Did you change default_settings.toml in %LOCAL_APP_DATA%\Local\Programs\Display_Commander

[wise grove]

no

don't even know how to do that lol

I can go back and look for it

[tame dock]

That's strange, can you change window_mode to 0, in DIsplayCommnader.toml in game directory?

[wise grove]

So open that .toml file and add window_mode=0? Thanks

what line do i add / alter

[tame dock]

[DisplayCommander]
window_mode = 0

@flat crater Is it possible to make a generic mod for DLSS? Like, auto-detect motion vectors?

[wise grove]

It worked! I'm in!

[flat crater]

no

[wise grove]

I'll see if i check this anytime DC doesn't load for me

[tame dock]

Luma works great in FF7 Remake. I wish more games could have added DLSS.

Let me know if there is anything I can help.

[tame dock]

The game defaults to 1920x1080 at 30fps. The window_mode=1, which isn't default anymore, breaks that resolution.

[tame dock]

Does FF7 Remake Integrate works with SK? If it does, I can take a look to fix "window_mode=1"

[wise grove]

I didn't even have that line in my .toml file "window_mode" heh

[wise grove]

I think it does but i haven't tried it probaby couldn't get it to run

[tame dock]

Did you delete .toml file? It was there before.

[wise grove]

i deleted it yes

[tame dock]

window_mode = 1, used to be default in old version of DC.

[wise grove]

it was recreated on one of the boots

ihad to add all the words a Ctrl+F found nothing

[flat crater]

Almost all UE4 and 5 DX11 games work with DLSS with Luma

[tame dock]

Do you have a guide on somewhere on how to install it? It would be nice to add to README.md, as recommendation.

[wise grove]

@tame dock Your perceptual boost is powerful, what is it based on? Be interested in anything you have to say about it

[tame dock]

It's derived from analyzing Special-K Perceptual Boost, I figured out the formula, and how it works, and why.

[flat crater]

wiki

[tame dock]

In concept it's Inverse Tone Mapping method, similar to what Auto HDR / RTX HDR do, visually.

[wise grove]

Why is it referrred to as perceptual? Is there a special principle it operates on? Thanks

oh inverse tonemapping

i'll have to look that one up still new to HDR

[tame dock]

There are many different Inverse Tonemapping techniques.

Special-K does Inverse Tonemapping by doing it per color in PQ (Perceptual Quantizer) space.

The formula Special-K uses for Perceptual Boost is really convoluted, it can be simplified by removing 2 arguments out of 6. I ended simplifying it to a single line.

TLDR, I rewrote the matchematical formula to make it simpler, and analyze what it is.

Afaik Special-K formula was derived by tweaking parameters to look visually pleasing.

And, by default it happens to double the brightness. It turned out that the profile 1 and profile 2 of perceptual boost in Special-K are actually the same thing, once you simplify the formula. @placid topaz

Just with slighly different strength.

[wise grove]

it's pretty good,

in brightly lit daytime scenes i like playing around with tonemapping

and paper white

[tame dock]

I wanted to release it as separate shader, but I haven't done a cleanup of that code yet.

[wise grove]

i sometimes worry it will age my panel though 🤣

[tame dock]

You can however, download the shader from DC's code.

[wise grove]

Can I ask what kind of work you're in? Your output is kind of multifaceted and broad

[tame dock]

https://github.com/pmnoxx/display-commander/blob/main/src/addons/display_commander/res/effects/DisplayCommander_PerceptualBoost.fx

[tame dock]

I don't do anything related to graphics, so I learned it myself while looking at RenoDX.

Mostly backend software engineer experience.

[wise grove]

That's pretty cool

Gotcha

Well the community needs you this app does a lot

Especially if SK is having trouble with new Reshade causing bugs

I am lookingforward to Dynamic Multi Framegen on Mar. 31 have you looked into that?

It changes the MFG multiple to get you to your cap

[tame dock]

I'm pretty sure. It's not going to be available on 4000 series, so well until I get 6090, it's not going to be usable.

[wise grove]

Be cool if DC operates with it

Ugh!

What abou Lossless ScalingAdaptive Scaling, tried that?

[tame dock]

It looked bad to me. I couldn't stand it.

I used the paid app on steam.

Or do you mean something else?

[wise grove]

I guess 40 series didn't receive MFG at launch but now supports it, so maybe they'd get Dynamic Framegen, maybe through mods?

[wise grove]

tha's what i mean

i think it caused stutter tbh

just checking

[tame dock]

Does it?

I don't see that option, I never heard about it getting it.

Wow, so many games supported. Luma-framework deserves more recognision. https://github.com/Filoppi/Luma-Framework/wiki/Mods-List#mod-features @flat crater

[placid topaz]

You can't simplify the formula, it's a non-linear transform with scaling done in PQ-space, and a rescale done after transforming back to linear.

It's similar to ICtCp

[tame dock]

I did the math some time ago. There were 2 pairs of parameters, each each pair could be reduced to one parameter.

Basically, two parameters were use in the formula as (X_1/Y_1), which can be simplified as Z_1.
And (X_2/Y_2) by Z_2.

[tame dock]

Exactly.

TLDR I wrote in the past a shader with 6 parameter formula, another one with the rewrite to be 4 parameter formula, and I got exact match, showing I didn't make any mistake in the math.

In the end, I simplified the code even further, and I included a strength slider in DC, between 0-2 (default 1). Making the other 3 parameters contants. @placid topaz

@placid topaz https://github.com/pmnoxx/display-commander/blob/main/src/addons/display_commander/res/effects/DisplayCommander_PerceptualBoost.fx

Only EffectStrength_P3 is exposed in DC.

ui_items = "Original (XYZ/PQ)\0ICtCp (experimental)\0PQ + ICtCp\0None\0Inverse Tonemapping with Reinhard\0"; In this case the PQ + ICtCp method. Should be close to what special-k was using.

I can write the formulas again, if that would be helpful for Special-K.

[keen void]

dont own that game

[tame dock]

I see, the same issue as in FF7.

23:16:03:330 [22836] | INFO  |   window_mode 0->1

Try changing DisplayCommander.toml

[DisplayCommander]
window_mode = 0

I'll look later into as to why "window_mode" = 1 breaks games.

v0.12.618

• [settings] [cleanup] Log active default_settings.toml values on load - Startup logs now include all active key/value pairs parsed from [DisplayCommander] in default_settings.toml, so you can quickly confirm which fallback defaults are in effect (or see that none are set).

v0.12.617

• [docs] README: remove OptiScaler note - Removed the OptiScaler installation note from README.md to keep setup guidance focused on currently recommended paths.

v0.12.618

• [settings] [cleanup] Log active default_settings.toml values on load - Startup logs now include all active key/value pairs parsed from [DisplayCommander] in default_settings.toml, so you can quickly confirm which fallback defaults are in effect (or see that none are set).
• [settings] [ui] PreventAlwaysOnTop now defaults to off - New installs now keep "Prevent always on top" disabled by default, so games and windows preserve normal always-on-top behavior unless you explicitly enable this override.

@wise grove @sweet heart Fixed. The issue was with "Prevent on always-on-top" being on by default, when "window_mode" = 1.

v0.12.619

• [ui] Window control toggles moved to Main tab - Moved Prevent Always On Top and Prevent Minimize from the Advanced tab into Main tab's Window Control section, so window-behavior controls are grouped where users already manage minimize/focus/restore actions.

[wise grove]

Why is there no download link sometimes. when I go to GitHub even nightly build is from Feb, is it the debug build? Not at PC right now thanks

@tame dock you ever thinking of selling the 4090 for a bunch of money and getting a 5080 😬

[tame dock]

It's easy to get scammed.

And, also MFG does nothing for me on 144hz display.

[tame dock]

I think github removed old build after some time. I need to start pushing regular releases. I've been postponing for a while, due to crashes.

[wise grove]

Sorry!

[tame dock]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uV_a9UaSKcM?feature=share

[tame dock]

No worries. I mean, 5000 series gpus have issues, this one have been solid since I bought it.

I would have bought 5090 some time ago if not for the issues with drivers.

Anyway, I'll do stable release, if I don't see any crashes/bugs within next 2-3 days.

Then, I can start releasing stable more often.

[ivory tiger]

I have tried it, though my brief takeaway was it could look great but required more messing than SK. It can look good, but there's way more control - I'm usually all for that, but SKs global defaults take me 2 seconds to make tweak per game these days.

Secondly RenoDX and Luma exist, often with custom shaders for said game (or Reno AutoHDR). So basically it's not that DC implementation is bad, more that there's plenty of very good alternatives already available. I still would rather have the option though so appreciate the inclusion. I do wonder if that part should be a separate addon/modular, but that's me nitpicking there.

[tame dock]

Possibly, extra controls are there, just not exposed.

[tame dock]

Full shader is here, it can be controlled through sliders. #1484495867586281493 message

[tame dock]

At the very least, it should be in a different repo, so people test it, give feedback, sol it can be improved. Preferrably, a different discussion for it.

[tame dock]

I'm also open to including another shader as a default one for DC for the AutoHDR purposes.
Or to adding menu to download shaders directly from within the game.

@eager pine Do you have suggestions, or feedback, on including shaders download feature from within DC? Or do you think it's a bad idea.

[eager pine]

i dont man sorry
we've been working on a different frame rate limiter to bundle with rdxc made by myself and ultramat

[tame dock]

Yeah, GPL-3 licensing make it hard to bundle stuff together.

Anyway, I assume DC support is dropped for RDXC, is that correct?

[eager pine]

yeah it does man
we wrote something from scratch only using official nvidia documentation with MIT license

[eager pine]

i've rebranded the app and dropped support atm man
once v2 is completed i can add it back in so people have a choice

[tame dock]

Is there any sense in making DC2 rewrite into MIT, or is that no longer needed for RXDC? (From RXDC perspective)

[eager pine]

it's really up to you man if you want to rewrite it as MIT
i'd be happy to include it once it's complete so people have a choice of frame rate limiters
Ultra Limiter that we've made is really focused on that, limiting fps with proper reflex calls, resizing windows to fullscreen/borderless and switching monitors if need be

[bleak magnet]

also yeah its ONLY reflex, so amd peeps need smth

[tame dock]

optiscaller, works in that case.

[bleak magnet]

Oh Opti has a limiter? i have no idea on that stuff lol

[tame dock]

No, but it can translate reflex into the amd's anti lag.

[tame dock]

https://github.com/optiscaler/fakenvapi

this translate's nvidia apis from reflex to amd

[hollow anvil]

@tame dock Just updated DC and now FC Primal is crashing on startup ( black screen )

[tame dock]

If you send me logs, I’ll take a look at it.

Dc + reshade.

[tame dock]

It may be worth removing DisplayCommander.toml.

Just in case.

[hollow anvil]

Yepp! I did that as well, always does

This is what i have btw

[tame dock]

Yeah, I see the issue.

I bet it will work without renodx.

[tame dock]

Can you change window_mode to 0, in DisplayCommander.toml? I see you have it set to 1 in global default_settings.toml.

[hollow anvil]

under [DisplayCommander]?

[tame dock]

Yes

We tried to apply windows style changes.

12:37:07:492 [17480] | INFO  | [WindowsApiHooks] ModifyWindowStyle: GWL_STYLE: 90000000 -> 10000000
12:37:07:492 [17480] | INFO  | (Suppressing further occurrences of this info log)
12:37:07:495 [17480] | INFO  | [WindowsApiHooks] ModifyWindowStyle: GWL_EXSTYLE: 00040100 -> 00040000
12:37:07:495 [17480] | INFO  | (Suppressing further occurrences of this info log)
```. That's the same issue we saw in the two issues above.

[hollow anvil]

Yepp it worked, not sure how i changed the default_settings.toml though...

huh, but is it relevant to the latest update then? Since i didnt have it before

[tame dock]

Ah, it looks I added default config setting it to 1, for everything by mistake.

[tame dock]

Can you try this, this should make window_mode = 1 work

v0.12.620

• [bugfix] [settings] Keep WM_POPUP and make default fallback "no changes" - Window message handling no longer removes WM_POPUP, and default_settings.toml fallback behavior now points to "no changes" so missing defaults do not silently apply unintended overrides.

[hollow anvil]

Sure, im just debugging why my fps is set to 116fps even though DC is not active nor Special-k or RTSS...

[tame dock]

Games which have reflex active may be doing that.

[hollow anvil]

hmm i know that i injected reflex with DC in FC Primal but, that should be gone after removing toml right?

[tame dock]

DC enables reflex by default.

[hollow anvil]

okay but Primal doesnt have reflex, its too old

[tame dock]

There may be a bug, where DC injectes and enabled reflex my default.

[hollow anvil]

hmm okay, i try removing reshade and use nvidia to show fps, 1 sec

[tame dock]

removing DC is enough.

[hollow anvil]

T:T

[tame dock]

That must be someting else then.

[hollow anvil]

neither RTSS or SK is active or DC, what the heck is it

[tame dock]

NVCP or NPI?

[hollow anvil]

nope, wait, it got to over 300 fps ingame, i never experienced a intro video locking to 116fps though

[red carbon]

Pretty much every FC game from 5 before has some pretty weird engine behaviour, that doesn't seem surprising.

[hollow anvil]

its like its vrr capped untill it reaches ingame lmao

yeah, its a weird engine behaviour alright...

[red carbon]

116FPS for what seems to be an FMV is better than most locking to 60 at least lol

[tame dock]

I've seen some games initialize fps limit, and other settings quite late.

[hollow anvil]

is it possible to prevent fps limiters? Would be a cool feature

[tame dock]

In game?

It would require per game patches, unless it's Unity/UE.

Though, you could speed up the game timer, but that also has side-effect of increasing everything in the game.

[hollow anvil]

i see

[tame dock]

It's usually not hard to identify the sleep function game uses.

[hollow anvil]

so i enabled reshade again without DC and its vrr capped ingame

[tame dock]

So, technically, DC could tell you where to patch the code.

[hollow anvil]

Would be cool feature 🙂

[tame dock]

Well, more like, where game sleeps.

[hollow anvil]

i have to check if renodx does something... i never suspected that...

[tame dock]

This would require disassembly, and doing manual work, but probably would cut the work in half, in finding what needs to be patched.,

[hollow anvil]

That seems like a feature now worth doing then :/

BTW it was renodx, i never thought they frame capped

[tame dock]

This would still require doing per game mods. Someone would have to be willing to make those mods.

For UE, Unity, there are already addons, which can help you change in-game settings.

[hollow anvil]

Thats awesome in those cases

[tame dock]

UUU from Otis_Inf is paid though for UE.

[hollow anvil]

Its just that it would be so helpfull to prevent other frame limiters to run, like now i had to disable DC frame limiter because RenoDX enforces their, and there is no option to disable it...

[red carbon]

I actually checked out of curiosity, but Primal only ever got an Ultrawide mod from Rose.

[wise grove]

Custom shaders?

[ivory tiger]

Ie Reno and Luna mods are commonly tailored to that specific game.

[sterile jewel]

So DC is back?

[tame dock]

Yes, DC is back.

[sterile jewel]

Congrats

[tame dock]

I should have released DC as MIT from the start, to avoid any confusion . Then, community would have pointed out the compliance issues.

I would like to help the community, by releasing projects from ground up as MIT.

[sweet heart]

@tame dock sry man but Crimson Desert still not launching (fresh DC install)

[sterile jewel]

pmnox I have an issue with AC Oddyssey 😮

[tame dock]

Can you manually remove AppData\Local\Programs\Display_Commander\default_settings.toml

[tame dock]

sec, i'll write a fix.

[sterile jewel]

the windows is minimize to the taskbar but can't open it and I need to kill the process

[tame dock]

Thats the same issue, everone has been having.

[sterile jewel]

with assasins creed?

[tame dock]

with DC, I'll ship a fix

[sterile jewel]

ok mate

[sweet heart]

this did it actually

[tame dock]

v0.12.621

• [bugfix] [settings] Startup fix for some games using window mode overrides - Renamed config variable "window_mode" to "WindowMode", in order to avoid previously "window_mode" being set to 1 by default.

[tame dock]

This should fix the issue in both games.

[tame dock]

The issue was, when I accidentlt shipped default config with this option enabled.

[sterile jewel]

Worked

[toxic blaze]

im getting a black screen with RE9 with reframework and reno. i can hear the sound but no display. DC=winmm.dll. Reframe=dinput8.dll. Reshade=Reshade64.dll

im using an older version that works

[tame dock]

Thanks' I'll take a look.

[tame dock]

I'm able to reproduce the issue.

I gave given some thought about DC2, there are two routes to take.
a) write first a separate "Frame Commander" / "FPS Commander"as MIT, focusing only fps limiter features, which are hard to get right correctly

• fps limiter for FG using reflex
• VRR detection (needed to auto enable fps limiter)
• refresh rate detection
• latency sync fps limiter
• latency measurement tools / code
• later hooks for fps limiters reflex(D3D)/Vulkan(reflex)/d3d9/opengl/native fulkan

b) strip all fps limiter above features / stats, etc. from DC2 as MIT
Focus, on everything else.

c) keep gradually extending DC as GPL-3, cleaing it up, polishing slowly features in a), then b)

d) maintain DC as it is.

Personally, I would like to start separate project a) later can be extended by other features.

@placid topaz @lunar locust @echo pivot

[wise grove]

How come your perceptual shader is present when i load up some games but not present in others? It's present in Witcher 3 but not in Clair Obscur or Metaphor Refantazio or Baldur's Gate 3. Doesn't load for me..

[wise grove]

Exciting plans, can I ask, what is your desire to start a new project stemming from?

[tame dock]

To maintain DC I have two options. a) do nothing, just keep existing featues as they are
b) write a clean code outside of DC, and then backport it into DC.
c) Strip all fps limiter features from DC / and don't touch them at all.

[tame dock]

Those featues, are already in DC, they just need a clean rewrite, new UI, etc.

It's just easier to build clean code from ground up, then to rewrite the code, and having to spend days with stuff breaking. see #1484495867586281493 message and a lot of other crashes

[lunar locust]

A) sounds good i think

[wise grove]

Yeah gotcha so you'd rather start a new projectd like A that you later extend

To be honest, this was kind of my wish for you too lol

To get my fav feature sooner than later

and Kaiden mentioned that SK is going to have more and more trouble working with reshade..

[tame dock]

I can make it so, DC also imports the new code from DC2, so they share the same code base.

[tame dock]

Also, this allows people to test features one by one. Suggest what to do next ,etc.

[wise grove]

Souunds good. Let me know if you know if you know anythig about shaders not appearing, the perceptual shader doesn't appear in the list sometimes for me thank you

[tame dock]

Does it appear after clicking "refresh" in main tab of reshade?

If so, it's a known reshade bug, croside is looking into fixing.

[tame dock]

Important Note: Currently the best fps limiter for Frame Generation is "Pace real frames low-latency (max_queue=1)", is theoretically the best mode to use. For good balance of latency, and rendered frames stability. It's algorithm I developed, but it may not work in some games, so more research is needed to perfect it.

It paces both the simulation thread, and rendered frames. It has options for max_queues=1/2/3.

Algorithm is still under research, on how to make it work in all games.

@lunar locust I'll later add some explanasion in the UI, that this is best available FG fps limiter, but it's needs more research to make it work in all games.

[lunar locust]

[lunar locust]

ive only tested in like 2 games so take with grain of salt for now i guess

[tame dock]

I mean, it was the best one in games I tested it while I was developing it.

[lunar locust]

but in those games it worked better than anything else

oh ok

[tame dock]

It added like slight latency, like 1-3ms in Wuthering Weaves, at 138 fps, while providing more stability to displayed frames, unlike the default one, that desplayes frames as fast as possible.

[tame dock]

it was default for some time, but it was causing issue in one game.

[lunar locust]

oh which?

[tame dock]

Vulkan games with reflex like Doom The Dark Ages, I made a fix for those to make it work since then, but I didn't revert the default back to it.

[lunar locust]

Did another VRR recording of that cap settings with the NVIDIA overlay open as well, SK smooth and Ultra are not quite as consistent in staying at 120hz and are also giving me 52-56ms here @tame dock

[tame dock]

The latency, could be even lowered than what you see now. I didn't fully implement the idea.

[lunar locust]

70 secs spinning and this shit didnt go to 2 digit hz once i think

[lunar locust]

perhaps

rtss and nvidia overlay keep reading 121 fps kek

[tame dock]

Once I'm done I'll write a dedicated page in documentation describing how this works in details. It's hard to explain though discord all the details.

[lunar locust]

yeah fair enopugh

[tame dock]

@wise grove Having a separate project for fps limiter, will allow to focus on the fps limiter parts, explaning all algorithms, comparision data, testing methodology, etc.

[tame dock]

TLDR DC2 = DC Lite.

[obsidian flower]

been following this project for a while now, separating DC2 into modules seems like the best option
each module can be made more in depth and it will probably also be easier to bug fix/update
more structure is always good i think

[tame dock]

There is a room for other people could also contribute, by writing separate modules. For example Dual Sense support, etc.

It's too much to maintain that.

[obsidian flower]

yea exactly

[tame dock]

I had DualSense support in DC, but I removed it, as it's requires more work.

All hooks are stored as arrays. So a submodule can hook into them. kernel32.dll hooks

[obsidian flower]

also if it is really modular, people would be able to download/enable just the modules they want
maybe someone wants just FPS limiter + Monitoring but someone else would like a DLSS Override/Nvidia Inspector module also

[tame dock]

Yeah, because module doesn't need to hook directly into apis. It would be given access to what's in the picture.

Basically, access to all methods DC hooked into.

Same idea, as what Reshade has with addon events, but more general, as you can hook into any .dll api directly.

No, need for each module to hook separately.

[obsidian flower]

don't understand code that much but sounds good from what you are describing

[tame dock]

Basically, DC can hook into all public apis of things such as dxgi.dll, nvapi64.dll, opengl32.dll, etc. directly, and expose it to modules.

Reshade, only offers small subset of what's available. This is a more general approach.

TLDR This will make all addons able to be enabled/disabled, improve compatibility between modules.

[obsidian flower]

isn't hooking directly or being loaded as dxgi also better for the limiting/monitoring itself instead of being loaded as a reshade addon

[tame dock]

Yes, but I also want to support .addon, as it's easy to use, albeit with limited functionality.

[obsidian flower]

i know you have made a DC launcher before, maybe the user would be able to enable/disable the modules there and then DC would hook just to the APIs needed for the modules

[tame dock]

Technically, DC still will register itself as addon, require reshade, but it will be loaded befor reshade.

[tame dock]

Yeah, that's the idea. I made a mistake of trying to pack launcher into DC executable, which was a mistake. Technically, doable, but bloats the code. It's better to keep it separate. Like Special-K and skif being separate.

[alpine matrix]

is this Ultra Limiter just display commander in disguise?

https://i.imgur.com/hzkWSfQ.png

after everything that happened i dont know whats what anymore, i just want the FG native pacing lol

[tame dock]

No, it's their separate fps limiter. People say it adds latency to FG, it's not fully implemented.

[obsidian flower]

DC is the better option

[alpine matrix]

I got SK working in crimson desert and i lost my DC file 😄

so its SK for now

[tame dock]

lost DC file?

[alpine matrix]

yeah i removed it from my folder and i dont have it anymore, not even sure where to get it haha

[tame dock]

It's also on github.

[alpine matrix]

i just always came here to read the newest updates and download it, should have known there was a github

[tame dock]

https://github.com/pmnoxx/display-commander

[alpine matrix]

is DC working for CD now?

lol dc cd

crimson desert

[tame dock]

Yeah, I fixed the issue.

[alpine matrix]

never seen that before, gaming starting in the background and cant even be interacted with

nice

[tame dock]

I made a mistake, and I accidentaly set "window_mode=1" by default in the global config.

[tame dock]

There is another bug, I'll fix later, to make the "borderless fullscreen" work in that game. Though, it may be fixed now. I'll have to retest.

[alpine matrix]

im playing it now if you need help with testing

[tame dock]

for FG modes, those are the best settings. #1484495867586281493 message

this is low latency+good pacing FG algorithm, which paces both simulation thread and rendered frames at the same time. (still WIP, I would like to make it default later)

[alpine matrix]

now reshade wont load, i love technology

nothing to do with DC*

[obsidian flower]

the curse of being an optimization gamer

[tame dock]

v0.12.622

• [bugfix] [compatibility] Fixed Monster Hunter Wilds being slow to start / unresponsive - Improved startup behavior so Monster Hunter Wilds no longer becomes slow to start or unresponsive during launch.

v0.12.623

• [ui] [compatibility] Added warning to NVAPI "Refresh Rate" - Added a warning for the NVAPI "Refresh Rate" control to make potential side effects clearer before users change it.

[tame dock]

v0.12.624

• [bugfix] [compatibility] [hooks] Fixed Witcher 3 crash caused by old Streamline - Improved compatibility for older Streamline runtimes to prevent startup/runtime crashes seen in Witcher 3.
• [bugfix] [settings] [hooks] Hook suppression no longer flips back during startup - Suppressed hooks now stay suppressed across startup and ReShade auto-load paths, so setting a hook to suppressed actually prevents installation instead of being silently reverted.
  Details: load hook suppression settings before early ReShade-load hook installs in main_entry.cpp; HookSuppressionManager::MarkHookInstalled now updates only DisplayCommander.HooksInstalled and no longer writes DisplayCommander.HookSuppression values.
• [bugfix] [hooks] Ignore duplicate OnModuleLoaded callback for the same module handle - Repeated module-load callbacks with the same HMODULE are now ignored, so hook install paths and tracking logic run only once per unique loaded module instance.
  Details: added a per-handle dedupe set at OnModuleLoaded entry in hooks/loadlibrary_hooks.cpp, with reset during full module re-enumeration.
• [bugfix] [cleanup] Temporarily suppress game EXE static-import logging in DLL-load stack path - Static import listing for the game executable is now temporarily disabled in the DLL-load stack logger to avoid a crash scenario observed when suppression state was not reverted correctly.
  Details: LogGameExeStaticImports currently returns early in main_entry.cpp (temporary safety guard).

Witcher 3 FG works nicely.

[ivory pendant]

You can do both. If you pursue that moduler path you talked about just have the fps limiter be one module so people can use your limiter or RL’s limiter and still use your other features

[tame dock]

I could also do A, and make it independent like RTSS.

honestly, reshade isn't really needed/used except for the UI.

[ivory pendant]

Perhaps. I think I personally prefer game install type things instead of system wide but that’s just me

[tame dock]

I'm only saying it's technically possible, as to what's better thats another thing.

[ivory pendant]

I see

I think reshade makes the most sense imo

At least of what’s available atm

[keen void]

not necessary tbh

everyone here uses reshade in every game

[tame dock]

I meant to reach more audience. It would be funny to see people use a proper frame graph instead of RTSS.

As, that's what most videos get wrong.

[keen void]

its completely wrong when using tranformer FG

well you can get a proper graph with presentmon from RTSS

[tame dock]

Yeah, but you could do it correctly.

[keen void]

ya

RTSS has presentmon built in

which does have a proper frametime graph for FG

[tame dock]

Really? For when frames are displayed?

[keen void]

ya

presentmon_framegen.ovl you load this

requires the overlay editor which most people dont even know its existence

[tame dock]

If that's the case, I should be able to make a better VR/refresh rate montitor, that works for Vulkan/dx9, not just DXGI like what Special-K uses.

[keen void]

Special-K relies on dxgi interop for vulkan

which isnt a bad thing

you should play with dxgi interop on window

native vulkan isnt good on windows

it barely works

eg. does not support flip model

[tame dock]

Yeah, but it's paintful to hook into dxgi interop through vulkan. Presentmon_framegen would be easier to get to work.

[keen void]

also amd gpu drivers have always on dxgi interop for vulkan

[tame dock]

Certenaily, dxgi-interop won't work when loaded .addon

[keen void]

ya thats why sk doesnt support vulkan much

and renodx vulkan/renovk requies inject reshade with vulkan layer

with dxgi interop you cant mod the shaders

[ocean spire]

So we're moving to this channel now?

cool

we're getting a DC2?

that's awesome

[tame dock]

Yeah, I'm now in the planning phase.

[tame dock]

Yeah, when people want to discuss Special-K, they can do it in there.

[tame dock]

DC2 would be DC lite, mostly focused around fps limiter, without audio/controller/extra stuff.
I can describe algorithms used there, and have general implementation of the main features.

[glad lichen]

were the old versions of DC retroactively broken with Reshade somehow because of all this?

I had a few from a month ago randomly saved and those aren't working with games they used to work with

with a regular manual installation

[tame dock]

, you may need to delete default_setting.toml, as due to mistake it was created atomically with preset in config.

It got created in one of the versions.

I’ll release stable today, so it gets saved.

And, I may as well start releasing stables more often.

[bleak perch]

that sounds great actually, I personally only use the fps limiter, maybe in some rare cases the display settings like force borderless etc.

[glad lichen]

due you mean the ones from the game folder, or is this created elsewhere?

the game files wouldn't be it since I was trying out an older DC with a freshly installed game

[tame dock]

delete %localappdata%\Programs\Display_Commander\default_settings.toml

[tame dock]

lots of time spend for DC, was playing around with various fps limiter algorithms, seeing what works that not, etc. I came up with unique implementations, not related to what Special-K is using.

And, a lot can be improved, as I didn't implement the full algorithms I had in mind, due to bueing busy fixing bugs in DC, making it more solid, etc.

Display Commnader Support

• Changing discord channel name as discussed with Kal.

[toxic blaze]

thanks, i'll test this when i get home. i do prefer a standalone fps limiter since thats the only feature i use. thats just me though.

[tame dock]

Also, it will be more reliable, less code, less bugs, hand written code.

[opaque knoll]

Should archive the other thread then, seems redundant

[polar bay]

There's a typo btw haha why is there 2 channels now I was about to ask.

[tame dock]

Display Commander Support

[polar bay]

[tame dock]

It was intended to hold discussions for DC2, or the future fps limiter.

[keen void]

just fps limiter and window management

nothing else

[tame dock]

Yeah. No audio/controllers/games tab/installer/and bunch of disabled code/

[keen void]

ya i dont use those at all tbh

and i think more than 50% people dont use them either

like dlss preset related things, if you want the most reliable way you can use nvidia profile inspector

if you want real time swtich, use optiscaler or the dev dll

[tame dock]

Yeah, I implemented even nvidia profile inspector. I could just switch to using that, easier to maintain. More reliable, DC currently have both options.

This would allow you to even turn on Smooth Motion from within the app, adjust profiles, etc.
Or I could just not include it at all. @keen void What do you think?

[keen void]

maybe not include it at all

everyone is using nvidia profile inspector

[tame dock]

Yeah, I can just make it a separate addon if needed.

[keen void]

imgui feels janky to use compared to the one from npi

[tame dock]

That's also partially, because the UI needs work to be as good as npi. So, it may better not to spend time on it.

[keen void]

most people just want a good fps limiter + window management

features like prevent fullscreen, prevent always on top, continue rendering etc. (i consider those as window management)

[tame dock]

I felt into the rabbit hole, of adding more and more features every time someone asks. Or I came up with new idea.

[keen void]

its better to get a stable release first imo

there are a lot of tools to achieve those

[tame dock]

Yeah, certainly. Creating a solid tool, that does small number of thing, very reliable, would make it last long time.

[keen void]

should be just one page of features

like a renodx mod

which is pretty user friendly

current DC has too many sub menus/tabs

i personally dont use most features

[tame dock]

I noticed that it's hard to explain in README.md all the features, without making it like 50-100 pages long or so.

[keen void]

but its kind hard to find where the specific feature is if you do want those

maybe should be just like a display menu in games

one page and done

no sub menus

im talking about dc2 ofc

[tame dock]

or a modular design (not initially). If you want to install controller module, you can load it on the fly, but it's not loaded by default.

Kind of like reshade's addons.

[keen void]

well as long as thats not making coding/debugging harder

[tame dock]

Not really, by default you wouldn't even load that code.

Modular design, would be easier to maintain, than what I have right now.

Though, modular design isn't something I'll be doing intially, it's just a possible extension once everything else is done, and there is nothing else to do.

[bleak perch]

as of right now DC is my favourite fps limiter, it works incredibly well with nvidia FG, markers and queue 3

[tame dock]

queue 2 could be the default one, should be safe to use.

[bleak perch]

yeah, but I did not notice the latency increase

[tame dock]

queue 1 may cause deadlocks in some games or fps loss, (needs more research to perfect it)

[bleak perch]

playing on a controller makes you almost immune to latency xD

but DC is by far the most stable one I tested

in terms of pacing

my only nitpicks are all the features that I do not use overload the UI (although it is nothing bad), sometimes my settings reset for whatever reason back to default (hence why I made the .toml read-only to make it persistent) and the log file which gets bigger and bigger (is there a size limit?)

[opaque knoll]

This, tbh.

Cause these makes the most difference, beyond just QoL stuff.

Controller and screenshots and what not are QoL things, IMO.

But good limiter + window management i.e. being able to play game in borderless when game forces FSE or w/e.

That actually transforms the overall expereince from janky to smooth.

[opaque knoll]

You should note down requests, and not implement things right away.

Let them pile up, and look at them towards the weekend and then prioritize with what makes most sense, and how much work it'll be from you to test it, and maintain it.

Ideally, if it's a feature you can't exclusively test yourself, good chance you shouldn't ship it otherwise diagnosing becomes a bitch.

[wintry fjord]

your friendly neighborhood Linux user reporting in! RE4 Remake with REFramework gets me the following crash to desktop, logs included

tried as just an addon64 file and later in logs as dxgi.dll

[tame dock]

Pretty much all features were easy to implement, test locally. However, lots of them were nieche, not many people using, and people reported them not working in many games. I can only test 1-2 games with given feature,a nd sometimes it takes testing 10-20 to know whenever feature is reliable or not.

[tame dock]

That's odd. I don't see Display Commander doing anything in this case. Does the game work without DC?

[keen void]

linux

[tame dock]

It's Re4 Remake, doesn't it require Reframework to run reshade?

[wintry fjord]

yup, I used one of your earlier DC versions when I was playing RE9 day 1 and it worked fine on Linux, had REframework installed back then as well

[keen void]

no

[wintry fjord]

it doesn't require it anymore as they gave up on Denuvo and other anti-tampers

[tame dock]

19:38:10:638 [  336] | INFO  | To suppress D3D12 Device hooks, set D3D12DeviceHooks=1 in [DisplayCommander.HookSuppression] section of DisplayCommander.toml

Usually, I detect reframework by detecting __storage__ folder, DC didn't detect reframework, and needs some flags disabled for it to work.

Does _storage_ exist in the game directory?

[wintry fjord]

I mean for this game I could just take REFramework out, I use it for other stuff instead of making Reshade work

there are 2 directories, let me check

[keen void]

not sure about linux

[tame dock]

To get it to work, some flags need to be disabled. The issues is with detection of reframework.

[keen void]

but on windows i found load reframeworks as .dc64 gave me best results

best compatibility i mean

[tame dock]

One of hooks got loaded, which causes issues with reframework. Due to reframework code not detecting it.

[wintry fjord]

I could try as .dc64

[tame dock]

Can you check if _storage_ folder exists? Reframewrok should be creating it, if not I need to use some other detection method.

[wintry fjord]

it isn't in game folder next to .exe at least

[tame dock]

I'm not sure how to detect whenever dinput8.dll is the reframework or not.

[wintry fjord]

didn't work as .dc64

[tame dock]

I guess, I can just do it by exe name.

[keen void]

linux issue

[wintry fjord]

to be fair this is very much an edge case, Linux user with REFramework

[keen void]

i mean this could be an issue from ref

[tame dock]

I'll just add re4.exe to the list.

[wintry fjord]

I tried the limiter from the RHI channel and that did work for some reason

I just much prefer DC

[tame dock]

RHI will need to put a lot of work, to get the algorithms right. I did have to implement like 60 different variants of fps limiter algorithm to get it right.

[wintry fjord]

which is why I prefer DC, it did work but it didn't feel the same at least on my system

[tame dock]

I like RHI UI being fps limtier focused. Having DC with simpler FPS limiter focused UI would be a plus.

[wintry fjord]

I mainly use DC for fps limiting purposes and I believe you had some sort of fix for older RE Engine Nvidia HDR non-sense games where HDR was basically borked

I used your window management for those

[tame dock]

In this game the crash is because I added new dx12 hooking to help other games, it breaks reengine, and the code didn't get disabled for re4.exe. It can be fixed by changing toml config file.

[wintry fjord]

does it break actual RE Engine or just REFramework? I could delete REF if necessary

[tame dock]

v0.12.625

• [compatibility] [hooks] RE4: treat as REFramework present for hook skip - re4.exe is detected so Display Commander skips the same D3D11/D3D12 device hooks as when a reframework\plugins module path is seen, avoiding conflicts when REFramework does not appear in loaded-module paths the usual way.

[tame dock]

It causes the issue you posted.

[wintry fjord]

okay, thank you for this

also, is it supposed to be the .pdb format?

[wintry fjord]

ah, thank you

[tame dock]

I think there is a bug with saving the .toml config. I experienced it before,I need to write a proper fix.

Added to list of known issues, I'll fix it later.

Yeah, I'm planning to do something about the UI.

[echo pivot]

DC makes me happy

Gonna update to latest one in a mo, to try in CD. I've been using an old build

Keen to try your suggest FG settings. If latency goes down I'll dance

[tame dock]

The topmost setting is the lowest latency, at cost of poor frame pacing.

[echo pivot]

Currently I lock to 120fps and get around 38-45ms PCL

[tame dock]

max_queue=1/2/3, should should offer both good low latency and fram stability.

[echo pivot]

The thing is, the frame time graph is a mess but on screen it looks incredibly smooth in motion

So I prefer to ignore the graph

[tame dock]

Yes, it's because of how the FG works.

I plan to rewrite the graphs, and better explain what they mean.

[tame dock]

Basically, this graph shows real + generated frames. Generated frames, take less time to compute than the real onces, that's why every 2nd one is lower.

[echo pivot]

That makes sense

[tame dock]

I have multiple graphs available, each graphs means different thing, this requires it's own guide with proper explanation. Certainly UI redesign.

[tame dock]

I could also redesgin current DC UI, to not show things such as Updates/Audio/etc. by deault, but instaed allow you to build your own UI, with having fps limiter + window management shown by default only.

[tame dock]

I hid the unneeded sections by default.

Display Commander - FPS Limiter

[tame dock]

v0.12.628

• [ui] Main tab UI optimizations - Optimized UI to make display commander for fps limiter focused.

[obsidian flower]

the different px spacing between the sections is killing me hah

[tame dock]

Thanks, that's fixed now.

[obsidian flower]

perfect

[obsidian flower]

still see some UI alignment inconsistencies, I understand that it is not the primary focus right now but I can help/point out if needed

[tame dock]

I would be grateful if you can help me with that. I would like to redesign the UI, to be more understandla, easy to use.

[obsidian flower]

sure, can write up some UI/UX guidelines for ease of use tomorrow, mostly spacing and alignment of elements since we have just boxes/text

[tame dock]

Before, I was limited by having UI designed to be with variable width. I did same experiments with UI, having fixed max width assumption made the UI a bit easier.

[obsidian flower]

yea that will help
having most of the dropdown menus set to the same length will help also, right now the sizes seem to be unrelated to each other and to the text inside

[tame dock]

This is the UI from the separate prototype I created.

[tame dock]

Basically, something like this?

[obsidian flower]

yep, text/descriptions on the left side and sliders/dropdowns on the right is a good system

i would keep the DLSS overrides as dropdowns also instead of the < > menu but that is just my personal preference

[hollow ice]

DC Lite mainly just being fps limiter would be ace. That's all I was using it for. Injecting Reflex on non-native games, and frame limiting

[tame dock]

I can start by redesinging DC's UI to have DC Lite interface by default. Then I can do the rewrite of what's under the hood, once i know what's needed.

This may help to iterate faster, I can then polish the features in DC, and create a plan what's needed for the rewrite, etc.

[tame dock]

Thanks, that would be great.

[tame dock]

I did this as an experiment to see what looks better. I ran into an issue, that you may have too many resolutions availalbe, and < > may not display all of them.

Also, < > takes more vertical space.

[obsidian flower]

yea that is why i think the 1 line dropdowns are a better option

imgui is just a box so more smaller boxes inside will always look good, also you can probably color code them to create additional separation of the different sections

[tame dock]

True

@obsidian flower Also, a lot of UI options, such as "Fps limiter preset" are probably confusing to the end user. Given that you also have fps limtier mode "Default / Reflex mode / Latency sync"

Those names make sense to me, since I know the code. but likely not to most people on what is going on.

Same with "Performance Overlay", probably a fewer settings make sense, as a list, etc.

[obsidian flower]

i think most of DC users will have and will like the technical names but yea i get it
maybe you can try naming them by what use case do they suit the best or having some hover over explanation for each of the choices
but again, i kinda assume people downloading DC will have some knowledge of the technical terms

why would you download DC if you have no desire to tinker with the settings to find the best ones for your game and setup

[hollow ice]

Some hovered explanation or slightly better naming is always good to reduce friction

[tame dock]

From what I've seen a lot of people don't have that knowledge, and simply want the best setting to be applied automatically.

[hollow ice]

even if most users are technically minded, there's always someone new

[obsidian flower]

true

[tame dock]

I plan to finish VRR detection, so fps limiter can be automatically activated without going inside the menu.

[obsidian flower]

maybe there can be a tip explaining what are the best use cases for each limiter type
For fixed refresh rate, for frame gen, for VRR and so on

so even the non technical ones can select the best for their setup

[tame dock]

I was thinking more like ' [x] "Auto limit" "applying settings for VRR mode, Frame Generation (balanced) profile", where X is checkbox automatically enabled.

You can then go and unselect it if needed.

If unselected you can override "VRR FG", "VRR non-FG", "FIXED frame rate", fps limiter mode, more options show up.

[obsidian flower]

yea thats a good option also, the best limiter would be selected as the default one and if you want to do custom changes you can go into a sub menu

that way it would be "plug and play" and configurable if needed also

hiding more things in sub menus/sections will not bother the technical users at all but will reduce confusion for the non technical ones

[tame dock]

Those terms, are something I came up with, so I don't expect people to understand different presets, and how they work.

• New Stable Version v0.12.630
  https://github.com/pmnoxx/display-commander/releases/tag/v0.12.630

[tame dock]

Also, github page could use rewrite. I want to rewrite it to focus more on fps limiter features.

[tame dock]

@toxic blaze Do you think, the configurations of which tabs are visible should be global. Once you enable, audio control, it will appear in all games, etc.

[lavish kestrel]

I am big into using DC at the moment. DLSS preset changing, keyboard/mouse input supression, performance overlay are some features I will definitely miss if they are left out of DC2 and SK is going to continue to have spotty Reshade support. Just my thoughts 👍

[tame dock]

I see, that's a good point. I was thinking about starting by redesigning DC's UI, so you can choose which features / elements of UI want to have enabled. This would pretty much let users configure the UI, and decrease the need for DC2. Then, I can see what to do from there.

[lavish kestrel]

It's up to you of course, I am totally happy with current DC as long as the bugs get squashed and frame limiter stuff is made a bit simpler. But I understand you have your reasons for wanting to start over with DC2

[tame dock]

That's mainly for bug fixing, new code is like 4x times shorter, easier to mantain.

[lavish kestrel]

Yeah that makes sens

[tame dock]

Good point though. I think I should have stated, that there would be no visible differences to the end-user. As, that would be internal code rewrite.

[tame dock]

Here is current list of feature proposals.

[lunar locust]

as long as the compatibility with reshade and reno/luma remains

then i dont mind whether its a reshade addon or not

[tame dock]

This would allow more people to colaborate, those that don't want to deal with GPL-3 code/can't for legal reasons. (not sure how of those people are there)

[tame dock]

That's not a priority, but it could be used as general tool, like RTSS, for people to install, and have good fps limiter in games.

[lunar locust]

[tame dock]

It would be a different repo, with separate installer for that.

Though, it would use the same base code.

just something to thing about, not a priority, but a possibility.

[toxic blaze]

i dont mind either way. as long as the fps limiter is the first page that opens im good

[tame dock]

The intermediate goal is to do something, so I can link to page with explanation of how that works.
Or having clean UI, that is self-explanatory.

[toxic blaze]

my preference is to not enable it globally and leave it per game

[tame dock]

Makes sense. Probably I should think about it as two groups of people:

1. people who just want to install addon for autio fps limiter, without having to mess with UI (minimalistic UI case)
2. people who interact with UI, and will enable what's needed.

[tame dock]

The only thing global right now is hotkeys, as that would be painful to remap per game. However, that could be changed as needed,

[placid topaz]

Yes, that standalone framerate limiter library would be very helpful.
That's been requested of me multiple times now, but I have not had time to do this myself.

I'd love to contribute testing/knowledge/whatever to making a general purpose limiter library that can be integrated into games and mods.
Special K cannot be, on account of, you know... the license that is incompatible with pronbably all games except Tux Racer 🙂

If you can design that component of your new project as a separable library from day one, it will be a hit.

[toxic blaze]

still get the black screen with audio issue

[tame dock]

Do you have new logs from latest versions. Perhaphs, that's unrelated issue.

[tame dock]

This looks like crash due to streamline issue.

[tame dock]

This may help.

v0.13.1 (2026-03-24)

• [cleanup] [hooks] Streamline hook signatures vs NVIDIA headers - Loader exports (slInit, slUpgradeInterface, slIsFeatureSupported, slGetNativeInterface, slGetFeatureFunction) and feature/plugin detours (slDLSSGetOptimalSettings, slDLSSSetOptions, slDLSSGSetOptions, slDLSSGGetState, slSetData) now use sl::Result and the parameter types from sl_core_api.h, sl_dlss.h, and sl_dlss_g.h instead of int / mismatched types (e.g. slGetFeatureFunction takes sl::Feature, not int).
  Details: hooks/nvidia/streamline_hooks.cpp.

v0.13.2 (2026-03-24)

• [critial] [bugfix] [hooks] Fixed loading wrong sl.interposer.dll version - Display Commander now resolves and hooks the expected Streamline interposer module for the current process/session instead of attaching to an incorrect version.
  Details: hooks/loadlibrary_hooks.cpp, hooks/nvidia/streamline_hooks.cpp.

@toxic blaze ^

[toxic blaze]

still black display. the older version 0.12.598.2021 works though

[tame dock]

This is the goal. I could write a research paper describing it, it would be hard to explain with the code alone.

[tame dock]

v0.13.3 (2026-03-24)

• [compatibility] [hooks] RE9: treat as REFramework for hook skip - re9.exe is detected the same way as re4.exe, so Display Commander skips DXGI/D3D11/D3D12 device hook installation when the usual reframework\plugins module path is not visible in the loaded-module list.
  Details: IsReFrameworkGame() in hooks/loadlibrary_hooks.cpp.

[toxic blaze]

still no go

[tame dock]

Can you send me the log?

[tame dock]

This time, ```
NVSDK_NGX_D3D12_CreateFeature_Detour:1186 - 12.517 ms before crash

[tame dock]

21:04:43:251 [ 9632] | INFO  | To suppress NGX hooks, set NGXHooks=1 in [DisplayCommander.HookSuppression] section of DisplayCommander.toml

@toxic blaze I added debug logs, this should show the issue. If not you can disable NGX hooks to play the game.

[tame dock]

I'm planning to add tools needed to finish the algorithm into DC, to do experimentation, before writing library. I'll be able to do more than what I did with the proof of concept algorithm.

v0.13.5 (2026-03-24)

• [cleanup] [hooks] CALL_GUARD_NO_TS on NGX helpers without guards - Added crash/exit call-site tracking to DLSSOptimalSettingsCallback_Proxy, UntrackNGXHandle, GetFeatureFromHandle, ApplyDLSSPresetParameters, CleanupNGXHandleTracking, ResetNGXPresetInitialization, CleanupNGXHooks, and ApplyNGXParameterOverride in ngx_hooks.cpp. Skipped trivial one-line helpers and hot UI getters (IsDLSSEnabled, etc.) to limit overhead and tracker noise.
  Details: hooks/nvidia/ngx_hooks.cpp.

[lunar locust]

[toxic blaze]

hope this helps

[tame dock]

That's one of those nasty bugs I already fixed in DC2, I'll backport the fix.

v0.13.6 (2026-03-25)

• [hooks] NGX D3D11/D3D12 Init: InFeatureInfo parameter - NVSDK_NGX_D3D11_Init / NVSDK_NGX_D3D12_Init typedefs and detours now include const NVSDK_NGX_FeatureCommonInfo* InFeatureInfo before InSDKVersion, matching public nvsdk_ngx.h when NGX_SNIPPET_BUILD is not defined. NVIDIA documents an alternate 4-argument Init for NGX_SNIPPET_BUILD (driver/snippet); if a loaded module used that ABI, the same export name would be incompatible.
  Details: hooks/nvidia/ngx_hooks.cpp.

• [cleanup] [hooks] D3D11/D3D12 Init_with_ProjectID hook identifiers - Renamed internal NVSDK_NGX_D3D11_Init_ProjectID_* and NVSDK_NGX_D3D12_Init_ProjectID_* typedef/original/detour symbols to *_Init_with_ProjectID_* so they match the exported NGX APIs NVSDK_NGX_D3D11_Init_with_ProjectID / NVSDK_NGX_D3D12_Init_with_ProjectID. Behavior unchanged.
  Details: hooks/nvidia/ngx_hooks.cpp.

[tame dock]

Ah, nvidia added new argujment to the init function in some version.

[tame dock]

have your tried changing dinput8.dll to dinput8.dll.dc64?

[tame dock]

I found the issue. Nvidia's documentation shows, this api has variable number of arguments.
So one of these should work
a) NGX_SNIPPET_BUILD undefined

b) NGX_SNIPPER_BUILD defined

[toxic blaze]

i tried renaming it to .dc64 and those two files and still black screen 🤷‍♂️

[tame dock]

I ended up spending a lot of time explaning same thing over and over again to new users. So, it's a UI design issue.

[tame dock]

Example of basic page.

[toxic blaze]

oh shit i got RE9 to work with v0.13.6. i had a folder in dlls_to_load and had dinput8.dll in the "before reshade" folder inside of that

[lunar locust]

[toxic blaze]

i dont remember why i put that file in there. i think was reading some compatbility issue

[tame dock]

My mistake, I recommended putting it there. ( in README.md )

[toxic blaze]

[tame dock]

No worries, a few good things came out of this. I fixed some potencial issues.

[tame dock]

I think I should add a warning, if we tried to load same dll twice, from different folders.

[tame dock]

Perhaphs, that feature isn't needed and should be removed. Anyway, it's something to think about.

[toxic blaze]

all good now 👍

[tame dock]

I'll need to experiment more with designing basic UI.

[tame dock]

v0.13.9 (2026-03-25)

• [cleanup] [performance] Switched Display Commander to dynamic MSVC CRT (/MD, /MDd) - Reduces .addon64 size by avoiding static CRT duplication in the PE (measured: ~9.2 MiB -> ~8.0 MiB for build/src/addons/display_commander/zzz_display_commander.addon64); requires the target machine to have the MSVC runtime available.

[wise grove]

Dude thanks, yes the shader appeared when i clicked Refresh at bottom, thanks! At least it did in Metaphor. Will test other games, hadn't had a chance to try it since your message but sorry for delay

@tame dock Oh a new problem: the shader is not selectable in BG3, you can see it in the list but it is gray and clicking it does nothing. Thanks

[tame dock]

You need to enable it through the UI. It's controlled by brightness & autohdr.

[wise grove]

So in Witcher 3 and Metaphor you don't need to enable it in the UI, is there a difference with this game (BG3)

NVM

[tame dock]

I turned it off by default. IT used to be on by default.

[wise grove]

when I deselected in the UI,

the shader is now enableable

basically i always have it off in the UI,

I just check the shader and it works

How should I use it in the UI?

[tame dock]

There is "Authodr" and strenght setting.

[wise grove]

i don't understand all the HDR10/ SRGB stuff, are the defaults good?

[wise grove]

also when it says perceptual boost is there any color science it's using or anything that explains the perception part 🙂

[tame dock]

This algorithm is similar to what Special-K is using. I simplified it to be a single slider with strength 0 - 2.
It's an inverse tonemapping algorithm which operations in PQ space.

[tame dock]

Some UI cleanup is needed. "HDR1 0 / scRGB" is needed for the NVAPI games. SO default is good.

[wise grove]

Thanks!

[wise grove]

So the preceptual just comes from dolby perceptual quantizer

[tame dock]

the other settings are for the swapchain HDR upgrade, when you are not using RenoDX, but you want to use DC for ugprades.

[tame dock]

Yes, basically, this algorithm increases each color separately in PQ space.

It's a heuristics used by Special-K, I think it was derived manually by looking at the results.

I'm going to work on redesining the UI, to make it more clear as to what's going on.

[wise grove]

is thre anyhwere he describes what he did you think, google wasn't helping much

[tame dock]

basically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICtCp

[wise grove]

ah yeah i read that he expands the color gamut to wide

[tame dock]

You can represent each color as L M S, where L is luminesce.
Algorithm uses reinhard ITM, to increase luminance of of given color.

As, well as a hersitic, that boosts the color intensity, as luminesence increases.

[wise grove]

Sometimes it looks really good

it can overbrighten

daytime scenes in witcher i'm worried it will age my panel!

lol

but can look good

armor glows in BG3 are too bright to use it lol

but i would

[tame dock]

It depends on the game. Some games have HDR that's too dark.

[wise grove]

yes

even with Reno feels too dark sometimes

[lunar locust]

any new Fps limiter special sauce in that one that i can test for you?

[tame dock]

I wanted to have some simple UI like RenoDX with <Basic, Internadiate, Advanced>. I'm trying to figure out what to put into the basic tab. Given keep the current UI is the advanced one.

[lunar locust]

right

makes sense

[tame dock]

Basically, something simple like ReLimiter, which is basically RenoDX basic.

[lunar locust]

yah

[tame dock]

So two things:

1. • what do you put there, RenoDX has brighntessin basic, etc.
2. specific UI design and optimization

[lunar locust]

playing talos principle remaster with FG now, works great

[tame dock]

Once, the new UI design is one, I can go back to working on FG fps limiter, as there are many things to make it better.

First I want to polish the UI, figure out what to put there.

[lunar locust]

[tame dock]

Some people like simple UI.

Some other designs I tried.l

[tame dock]

Probably, I can remove the enable fps limtier checkbox, instead if value is selected to be 0, fps limiter will be disabled,

[glad lichen]

yo is there an archive of older DC releases somewhere?

lots of stuff was added and modified over time but in some games I was having much better results with versions from a few months back

basically perfect frame pacing with FF Rebirth and its FG, but I can't remember the version :S