Death Stranding 2

[spare socket]

unless im pixel peeping

[unique pulsar]

So

Work it out and land somewhere in the middle, and then you can potentially just go 55"

And then not upgrade for another 3-5 years.

Monitors will still be trying to catch up to you by then

[spare socket]

so real it hurts

so it's like 1.2 meters or so for 50-55fov

for 55" tv

that's actually really manageable

[unique pulsar]

This is why I told you to look at FOV than just distance.

Cause distances cited by RTINGS and the likes are for THX/SMPTE recommendations, different usecase altogether than desktop.

Of course, since it's going to be a larger screen, your brain will register it as large, too. You WILL know something giant is sitting even at distance, but your overall operation will be fine, ergonomically and such.

Same way that I can match the FOV of IMAX at home with a projector, and get same height FOV relative, too.

But my brain will know I'm sitting in a room, not an auditorium, and it won't feel as expansive. Even though FOV can be matched.

Or normal theater even.

[rotund salmon]

hue shift/correction being at 0 instead of 100 definitely helps with fires and such, but it's a shame that it turns some purples(?) into a really strong blue, namely the highlighted item indicator here and the tips of the electric rod melee weapons

[wet rivet]

I could just make the purist preset use the maxch stuff I have in other games

[rotund salmon]

so it would come closer to matching a HDRified SDR?

[wet rivet]

ya

[normal sleet]

Uhhhh yeah let's try that

[wet rivet]

removing none tonemap type cause nexus users are too dumb

[spare socket]

Yeeee i just read that post

Lmao

[covert hawk]

anyone else having weird audio bugs in this game

sometimes voices cut out during cutscenes

and occasionally the game just forgets my system is stereo and only plays audio through my right earcup

i have to go out of the game, go to the windows audio settings, and hit test audio for it to come back

really really weird

and only appearing in the very late game

around 75% of continent linked up

nvm

its on my end not the games

[wet rivet]

added the max channel stuff
defaults / purist

[normal sleet]

How's the fire looking with the max stuff?

[wet rivet]

checking now

made some more tweaks

adjusted psycho for smoother blowout/hue shift
before / after

alright here we go
defaults / purist

[rotund salmon]

[wet rivet]

defaults / purist

need more blowout and hue shift with purist

defaults / purist

[wet rivet]

clamped the slight loss in saturation on highlights from 2.2 by luminance

[stray hamlet]

big gaming

i did notice wildfires were maybe a little blown out when i was playing through that bit

[wet rivet]

alright this is what's going on nexus
defaults / purist

[stray hamlet]

this was like, yesterday's build with purist 120 paper/500 peak

but maybe theyre just like that idk

[wet rivet]

purist will have more hue shifting and saturation and detail on the fires now

[stray hamlet]

i also had one of those fucking dolphins just land on me and knock all my cargo around

peak gaming honestly

[wet rivet]

updated

[short charm]

So if I understand right, Default is Musa preference, and Purist Kojima choice ?

[wet rivet]

ya

[normal sleet]

Vanilla/Purist

Vanilla/Purist

[fluid glade]

this looks good

yea looks amazinig

thanks musa ❤️

[normal sleet]

Definetely the closest so far, but the fire still looks like it lacks some color, some yellow, in Purist it's a tiny bit more homogeneous

[cold cargo]

dlss artifact?

[normal sleet]

Vanilla/Purist

Yeah fire in Purist lacks a bit of oomph but it's very close

[short charm]

Did you test it in Default ?

[normal sleet]

Default look a bit more like the old fire, a bit more pinkish

[short charm]

Purist one seems to be more real

[normal sleet]

Vanilla/Default/Purist

[normal sleet]

Sparks look weirdly muted tho

In Purist I mean

[short charm]

Nice screenshots thank you 👍

[pearl harbor]

Vanilla looks oversaturated tbh

[rotund salmon]

SDR (TRC) / Purist / Default

[pearl harbor]

The smoke is turning red?

[wet rivet]

in vanilla the red smoke in the fires becomes oversaturated to the point of being flat but the intensity of the fire is still nice

[wet rivet]

how does this look with vanilla hdr

[normal sleet]

I like the saturated look of vanilla fire, I mean real fire is also hella intense so I guess makes sense

[wet rivet]

real life intensity would mean desaturated and blown out

there's a clamp parameter

that I commented out

maybe that scene needs that

[wet rivet]

see how it looks with this build

[rotund salmon]

k

[normal sleet]

Why desaturated?

[wet rivet]

our eyes blow out bright stuff to white

[rotund salmon]

SDR (TRC) / Vanilla (BFF) / Purist / Default

[short charm]

fire IRL

[wet rivet]

they must be lowering the peak value in hdr during these scenes

[wet rivet]

not irl

camera

fires like that irl are so bright you can't look at them

[wet rivet]

maybe vanilla hdr shits itself during these scenes so that's why they limited

idk

[short charm]

Smoke definitely less red oversaturated than vanilla

[wet rivet]

also camera

have to get the raw camera output

[pearl harbor]

I don't think the game is trying to replicate real life here

That said, vanilla/SDR fire looks weird
Red outside immediately turns yellow inside

[fluid glade]

I personally think the purist preset looks great now

[wet rivet]

usual made for sdr bs

slop

[fluid glade]

before it definitely looked weird with the fires but now it's awesome

[wet rivet]

kojima has fallen

[short charm]

With the new Musa's test ?

[normal sleet]

Yeah it has film grain and lens flares, if anything it’s trying to emulate a camera

[fluid glade]

with the one on nexus

[pearl harbor]

And he can't get up

https://tenor.com/view/i’ve-fallen-and-i-can’t-get-up-i’ve-fallen-i-can’t-get-up-can’t-get-up-life-alert-gif-6449783994487402911

[normal sleet]

I think it’s just trying to emulate how fire looks through a camera imo

[pearl harbor]

Anyway, my point is that fire cannot be red and yellow at the same time
The amount of fuel/oxygen is dictating the color
Three different colors would mean the fire consumes three different levels of oxygen at the same time

[pearl harbor]

This is underexposed probably

[wet rivet]

don't our eyes make it yellow or some shit

something something color is cognitively computed

like a car's rear lights may appear red during the day but at night when your eyes are at a darker adaptation the rear lights are relatively brighter and shift towards orange

[pearl harbor]

https://youtu.be/arQKFa0l8g8?t=711

[pearl harbor]

yeah exposure and environment affect the color too, but the point is that the faster it burns, the brighter and paler the flame is

[short charm]

The red tint in Defaut fire is because you prefere it like this Musa ? Or it's a Psycho tonemapper characteristic ?

[pearl harbor]

The fire is red pre tonemapping
The default tonemapper is hue shifting hard

[normal sleet]

My point was that vanilla fire imo looks closer to real life fire(or at least fire through a camera) than the current presets

[pearl harbor]

Psycho is basically too accurate to the source here

[pearl harbor]

In intensity, yes, but the colors are wack
It's basically a saturated red/saturated yellow/white
It should be orange/pale yellow/white the closer you are to the core of the flame

You only get a red fire irl when it doesn't have enough oxygen to spread

Red fire means the flame is suffocating

When we're talking about the natural materials, that is

[rotund salmon]

SDR (TRC) / Vanilla (BFF) / Purist / Default

[normal sleet]

I mean alright but at the end of the day it's still a videogame, perfectly replicating all the nuances of a fire is problably still beyond current graphics, to my eyes at least vanilla looks pretty close to the forest fire image in color as well, oranges, yellows, whites, look close or as close as you can get given the medium

[stray hamlet]

dlss5 will get us there 🙏

(sorry)

[crisp notch]

i think thats what bothers me about how the vanilla fire looks in this game, dont know if thats also affecting whats making it hard to "fix" - but its like the presentation is a weird mish mash of how fire would look through a camera at a certain exposure but also some characteristics that would be caused by how our eyes perceive it IRL but also some elements of how flames would look if we were able to look at them without blinding ourselves/colours that would imply something about the nature of the flame/fire vs something about the nature of the photographic exposure

i dunno if im explaining myself v well but it just looks discordant to some degree - like if they are fully committed to the simulated camera/photo look, why doesnt that cohesively come across - when is see it its like my eyes cant decide if the colour/saturation/etc are supposed to reflect a photographic presentation or supposed to imply something about the physical properties of IRL flames - something doesnt fully match up

mebe mah brain just weird 🤷

[rotund salmon]

SDR (TRC) / Vanilla (BFF) / Purist / Default

[thin nest]

purist looks great based on these screenshots

[spare socket]

~120 nits
Vanilla / Purist Max Channel / Purist LMS (PsychoV)

[thin nest]

not sure i like psychov here

[spare socket]

it's bad with fires

[thin nest]

yeah fires look weird

[spare socket]

Max channel looks closest to vanilla SDR

[thin nest]

purist max channel looks sick

[spare socket]

vanilla HDR has some crazy saturation boost

[thin nest]

yeah that ones just cooked xd

[spare socket]

Okay even SDR fire looks insanely oversaturated

Man, SDR looks so tragic in this game

I can't believe this is what some people look at

~300 nits, Gamma matched
Native SDR / Native HDR BFF / Reno Purist Max Channel / Reno Purist LMS (PsychoV)

[thin nest]

like most games

[spare socket]

I was messing around with RE9 SDR

and it's surprisingly usable imo

doesn't look too clipped

[thin nest]

well i havent played much of that one but i assume the vast majority of the game is pretty dark

so yeah makes sense

[spare socket]

~300 nits, Gamma matched
Native SDR / Native HDR BFF / Reno Purist Max Channel / Reno Purist LMS (PsychoV)

[thin nest]

interesting

[spare socket]

a little pink tint in the red

[thin nest]

max channel is worse here i would say

yeah

[spare socket]

it matches the intensity of the colors better to SDR tho

very visible on exoskeleton lights (not visible in those screenshots)

[thin nest]

native hdr looks best to me here tbh

same color as sdr

tho could use a little blowout maybe

[spare socket]

the rest of the image doesn't match

it's more saturated that it should be

probably due to BFF

[thin nest]

yeah fair

was only looking at the lights tbh

xd

[spare socket]

yea here specifically it's alright

but it hueshifts most lights

some white lights turn full yellow with native

[thin nest]

[spare socket]

@wet rivet definitely cooked with this one tho, new purist default looks much better for the most part at least to me

PsychoV kinda blew out highlights a bit too much

Thanks for the work 🙏

[spark mirage]

Does anyone know what are the best graphics/upscale/fg settings for 9070xt? I haven’t played the game yet so I’m not sure how well 9070xt performs

[spare socket]

if you dont use RT (which i don't recommend personally) you can probably max it out very easily

RT refelctions looks alright, but it's quite expensive

[rotund salmon]

SDR (TRC) / Vanilla (BFF) / Purist / Default

[thin nest]

[rotund salmon]

my favourite way to play is purist with a gamma boost approximating 2.4 and LUT scaling enabled

[spare socket]

this is the way

What does LUT scaling actually do?

[rotund salmon]

per channel 0 scaling / by luminance 100 scaling

[spare socket]

ok yea lol

i have to see how that looks with ~2.4 gamma on my monitor

since it has slight black crush

so 0 might be better

[thin nest]

damn

[rotund salmon]

per channel 0 scaling / per channel 100 scaling / by luminance 0 scaling / by luminance 100 scaling

[rotund salmon]

if anything, scaling exposes more detail when applicable

it looks darker, sure, but it's not lost in a grey soup

[spare socket]

not about the details I care about in this case

but yea definitely looks better in those pictures

it just depends how much gets crushed with gamma 2.4 on my monitor

[warm osprey]

not gonna lie, "Deep Fried" button in this game feels like "HDR Look" button in Oblivion Remastered RenoDX by ShortFuse

I keep coming back to it

weirdly feels more "as intended" than the defaults

[wet rivet]

Ya it’s just what I call hdr look

[earnest shoal]

I'm also finding it hard to go back to purist or default after seeing the glorious colors on "deep fried"

[thick edge]

whats with the insane stutter in almost all cutscenes

[rotund salmon]

frame gen caused it for me, capped at 60 without it instead

[fluid glade]

make sure they run at 60fps base frame rate

lyall had some attempts at fixing it but I don't know if he will continue fixing it

[thick edge]

i guess its not insane but seems mostly from camera cuts

[fluid glade]

his latest nightly fix solves the judder issue but desyncs audio

I mean I'm talking about the stutters that are not visible on a frametime graph

[thick edge]

https://codeberg.org/Lyall/DeathStranding2Fix/issues/1#issuecomment-12058995

[fluid glade]

but they are happening because the framerate is higher or lower than what is intended and it's causing annoying judder

[spare socket]

Musa gonna have to make a deep fried preset for every game now

[earnest shoal]

I don't love that deep fried crushes blacks but the colors make my brain happy

[warm osprey]

nah, only the games that need it, like this one

[warm osprey]

you can lift blacks back

[spare socket]

120 nits Purist
Max channel / LMS (PsychoV)

[spare socket]

Going back and forth in different scenes, I kinda can't decide which one I prefer anymore.

PsychoV just looks a little too blown out

where sliders so I can crank highlight saturation and see what it does

https://tenor.com/view/arms-crossed-pout-tantrum-gif-2957504854124392670

[rotund salmon]

yeah, one of the main things I dislike with it is its tendency to make Sam's power indicating suit lights on active skeletons etc. go nearly full white a lot of the time

[spare socket]

yea it bothers me more than it should

But I think it looks better still in some parts

[rotund salmon]

in oranges/reds, for sure, but I prefer maxch for blues/purples

[spare socket]

I don't think it's even all oranges/reds

and it certainly looks worse for fires

[rotund salmon]

yeah, it's not consistent

[spare socket]

Max channel fires are so chef's kiss

[rotund salmon]

but for orange lights and stuff, it's nicer, if not quite perfect. I like these comparisons because it shows the strengths and shortcomings of each option at the same time with the ship door lights and the highlighted item indicator

[spare socket]

in the ||Neil|| part

[spare socket]

ya max channel looks a bit pink on the ship reds

but PsychoV doesn't look right to me either

Vanilla HDR rare W

[mystic sparrow]

M and L do this a lot with RT. Even Wukong with RT had a lot of this garbage shimmering

[spare socket]

ah makese sense

I dont like RT in this

But thats not even DLSS' fault, it's the denoisers

[normal sleet]

It seems to happen sometimes with SSR as well in certain games I tested, Black Ops 7 for example, some of the SSR there shimmer like crazy with M and L

[pearl harbor]

CNN my 🐐

[unkempt jacinth]

maybe because of dlaa, they are meant to be used with performance and ultra p

[rotund salmon]

managed to add myself on PS5 as a strand contract, so now I should see my old structures occasionally

[stray hamlet]

people cant figure out a better use of the absurd gpu headroom a 5090 gives you i guess

[normal sleet]

It’s not dlaa, although dlaa makes the problem worse, but it’s present at all quality levels, this is ssr btw, no rt

Ultra performance L / quality K / dlaa L

[velvet trench]

How's M look there?

Oh nvm you said M does it as well

Does FSR4 have any super egregious issues? Why does every new DLSS preset have major issues

[normal sleet]

all 4.5 presets do it in my experience, so M and L

[wet rivet]

psycho
highlight sat 50 / 51

[normal sleet]

what about vanilla?

[wet rivet]

already closed the game

gotta go somewhere

anyway here is what I have now

maxch doesn't have highlight sat yet

[normal sleet]

at first glance I prefer 51

[wet rivet]

also have to add some gamut compress stuff

[wet rivet]

ya

[spare socket]

~120 nits ~2.4g
Vanilla / Max Channel / PsychoV HighSat 50 / PsychoV HighSat 51

Max channel looking so good here

the pink reds seem to be quite rare?

Maybe PsychoV with hueshift sliders and highlight saturation? or maybe less blowout? idk

[wet rivet]

added highlight saturation to maxch

will prob go on nexus

[crisp notch]

as someone who completely agrees with your characterisation of it but happily uses it depending on the game or even environment im in (eg during the middle of the day its often nice to chuck on HDR look bc youre fighting at least some amount of natural light but at night go with purist, etc) i take zero offence at the button's name and will happily use it 😆

[crisp notch]

at the start it didnt bother me much, bc "oh its just every camera* cut" isnt thaaat problematic when the cutscenes are slow, shots are long, cuts are seldom. as i get further in i actually would call it insane - in cutscenes where you're getting like multiple consecutive camera cuts in a couple seconds it looks fucking awful, to the point that i had a moment last night where i was worried wtf was happening to my GPU/CPU load but then the cutscenes ended and ohhh, its fine now [edit: fixed wrong word]

[crisp notch]

full circle moment where we can all appreciate the inbuilt blur and detail destruction as visually pleasing 🥰

[crisp notch]

i dont know enough about the technical deets to say, but isnt the technique behind PsychoV supposed to be based more closely on human vision perception? granted all these observations might be pointless outliers as DS2 is the first game where i've spent a lot of time with it, but a lot of its visual characteristics in this game (e.g. the greater blowout) do seem more "realistic" to me in terms of how the human eye would respond to the implied IRL brightness of many of the things that blowout - i think the issue is (sorry that i cant remember who already said this earlier in the thread) that this isnt necessarily what is going to look "best" or more visually pleasing on a screen in a video game context

often it is, but not by definition i guess

given youve clearly tried the various options in various in-game environments to a far greater degree than i have - whats your current preference, or what seems most visually consistent/cohesive, across all the various lighting scenarios in the game?

[pearl harbor]

Sharpness isn't the end-all be-all of image quality

[thin nest]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

[pearl harbor]

Hard to say because pretty much every review focuses on sharpness and ghosting

LIke, DLSS4 has pretty catastrophic (IMO) issues with transparencies but it was barely mentioned by anyone

4.5 has a load of issues with specular aliasing and postprocesing, and again, crickets from all the major reviewers

[covert hawk]

might have to do with the fact that nvidia blacklists this feature at a driver level rn for some reason

you can go into nvpi and enable supersampling for transparency and set the mode to full dlss mode

made a huge difference for me in death stranding 2 so far

[pearl harbor]

Ain't got time or any game installed rn to test it
Got any footage of the difference it makes?

[covert hawk]

didnt take any sc's of ds beforehand

but i can try and find a good scene to do that in

[pearl harbor]

If that actually fixes the ghosting with fog, that would be pretty huge

[pearl harbor]

Which settings are those exactly?

[pearl harbor]

It's just this one?

[rotund salmon]

the only purpose of that tends to be for tweaking LOD bias, typically for games with modded DLSS that don't have it offset natively

[pearl harbor]

rip

[covert hawk]

all the documentation i can find online doesnt reference lod at all and only talks about the actual antialiasing of transparency textures

it seemed to have a pretty big impact on the look of reflections in the dhv magellan in death stranding 2 for me

but if that is the case then i guess its just placebo from another setting

yeah

it appears the lod setting is broken without that enabled

but it also affects transparency textures

so it should be two birds with one stone

at least according to both the documentation and various forum posts about the lod bug

[crisp notch]

(tone is hard over internet qualifier) agreed - im cereally only half joking with my original comment haha

i think sometimes it is rly important to take a step back from all the comparisons and advancements and wtv and just go... what looks pleasing on my screen. tbh if im having to think about what upscaler or DLSS model or wtv to use for a specific game i feel like something's already failed

[pearl harbor]

So I've tested this in both RE9 and the Stellar Blade demo and can confirm this fixes absolutely nothing with preset K
Volumetrics are still ghosting like crazy in RE9, the hair is still pixelated in SB
If it does anything in DS2, it's probably by accident

[covert hawk]

is there a reason you are on K?

vs M/L

?

L and M seem to do way better on basically everything at least on my end

wayyyy less ghosting

L specifically fixes a lot of shimmer and noise in ds2

[crisp notch]

this discussion rn is the perfectl example - I agree that ^ L + the supersampling transparency "fix" is my preferred way to play DS2 atm (the transparency "fix" just bc it makes LODs behave correctly, havent rly paid attention to whether it does anything else, which seems weird enough that its probs a DS2 specific issue)

but it defs... introduces is probs the wrong word, but amplifies some IQ issues while improving others

just gimme the days of CNN model E back

nvidia: ok guys we found it heres the one thats the best at everything

me: tysm i never have to think about this again

nvidia: no no no dw we're gonna immediately launch a next gen model with two presets, neither of which ever get to a great state, and then launch the next next gen model with two presets, that do genuinely fix a ton of shit and are super impressive but introduce a whole new set of artefacts to worry about 🥰

insert aww shit here we go again meme

🫠

[pearl harbor]

I don't use K specifically because it has the issues with transparency

LIke, DLSS4 has pretty catastrophic (IMO) issues with transparencies but it was barely mentioned by anyone

[covert hawk]

im a little confused lol

[covert hawk]

says K here

[pearl harbor]

It doesn't fix anything for K

[covert hawk]

this was a great release

i meant why are you testing it on k only and not M/L?

[pearl harbor]

K has issues across the board, not just with DS2

[covert hawk]

i only use M and L

[pearl harbor]

Oh my god

[covert hawk]

honestly feels like a lot of it has been increased use of gen ai

[pearl harbor]

Why would I test it with the models that don't have issues?

[covert hawk]

oh

well it seems to help on those too

thought u meant u were having issues on all presets

not just K

[pearl harbor]

No, only J and K are fucked with fog/hairs/etc

[covert hawk]

driver releases started going further downhill around the time that dlss updates became... sidegrades in many cases

[pearl harbor]

Others are fine

[covert hawk]

gotcha

ive had the same experience yeah

ive seen a lot of people swear that K is better and they refuse to use M and L and im just like

what???

[stray hamlet]

theyre faster and not all games have content that those models struggle with

at higher scales the image quality difference is especially small

the main draw of m/l is that they can reconstruct with more pleasing results at lower scales

[covert hawk]

oh i meant people saying it LOOKED better

[velvet trench]

Yeah this by itself doesn't do anything I don't think. But setting transparency supersampling to 2x, 4x or 8x does actually work in cyberpunk to reduce pixelated fog with DLSS

I don't think it will do anything for DLSS 4 volumetric issues though

[covert hawk]

take a look at the second setting thats highlighted

its the one that allows u to set it to 2x,4x,8x

setting that is the one that seemed to help at least for me

but interesting that u can use a fixed number even with diff dlss modes

[velvet trench]

Yeah DLSS4 is useless imo now, I would rather use CNN + output scaling in every scenario. I would only use DLSS4 in maybe a multiplayer game where I can't use optiscaler and if the volumetric issues aren't a big deal in that game

4.5 I generally like if I can use output scaling, but it looks terrible at 1440p output res.

[devout locust]

Huh don't these apply to OpenGL only

Are you sure that's not placebo

I don't think it should do anything

[covert hawk]

these apply to directx and opengl

you referring to this one?

its a different setting

[devout locust]

Hmm okay I'm just surprised driver msaa works in deferred rendered games

[slow forum]

I've heard these stutters don't happen on an Intel CPU and an issue only on AMD CPUs. Can anyone with an Intel CPU confirm here?

[spare socket]

I haven’t really played the game that much since musa added max channel, just tested it at various parts where I had saves

I think I prefer Max Channel over PsychoV so far 🤷‍♂️

[merry coral]

that might make sense but i play Death Stranding 2 on Linux thou, I do have an Intel CPU and didn't notice any stutters after the initial shader compile.

[shadow wave]

lyall has released v3 of his mod. You can now disable dof. In case anyone is interested

[thick edge]

This won't do anything. NVPI exposes lots of settings that do nothing, the MS/SSAA stuff only works with some games that use MSAA.
The concept of forcing transparency supersampling with DLSS doesn't make any sense, you can't control it like that

[devout locust]

Yeah that's what I thought

[covert hawk]

From what I've been able to find this is separate from the msaa force option

dlss handles transparent textures

This flag tells it what to do with those

You can use a different option to override msaa

This is why if you go online there are a lot of examples of modern games with dlss benefiting from setting this flag

[thick edge]

what examples

[covert hawk]

Cyberpunk, re4, and re8 I can find by googling

[thick edge]

very rigorous research

[covert hawk]

?

You asked for examples

I'm not saying I'm an expert by any means lol

It very well could be solely from lod bias too

[thick edge]

yes as in show it working rather than people on forums claiming it does, like they do with 1000 other placebo tweaks

[covert hawk]

I've found like 5 different posts with photos and vids to go along with them

Re2 apparently as sell

*well

Again though it might just be the lod shit

[thick edge]

DLSS applies the same upscale ratio on everything, you can't tell it to specifically supersample transparencies

this is literally legacy stuff from MSAA where you can do that

[covert hawk]

Yeah

With the setting off it doesn't upscale it

With the setting on it scales it with the same ratio as everything else

At least that's what their documentation makes it sound like

It doesn't register every texture the exact same, transparent ones are handled differently

There is a ton of conflicting info online tho

So totally could be incorrect

I've been trying to look into this all day and find myself still confused lol

It seems this isn't forcing the game to use a specific technique like msaa, rather if the game is using dlss it's saying hey u can upscale those textures too

In modern games that don't use Dlss this should do nothing basically

Someone pls correct me tho if there's more info elsewhere I'd be very curious to know more about this

[slow forum]

Interesting. Maybe I should sidegrade from a 9800X3D to the 270K for better frametimes lol.

[wet rivet]

Frame times seemed fine on my core 7 265k

[icy belfry]

Has there been any info regarding the cutscene stutters?

Its weird af but it only happens to me there

[spare socket]

do u have frame gen on

and capped to 120?

[icy belfry]

Yeah with fg, not sure what i was capped on, probably 115/118

[raven gulch]

5 stars in this game takes way too long

[spare socket]

that's the problem

fg with reflect capped to 120 does 116

cutscenes drop under 60 real frames

so they start stuttering

cutscenes need to be 60 or 30 fps

[icy belfry]

Lmao thats so fucking cringe

[spare socket]

apparently

yea it is

[icy belfry]

Thanks at least i can sort that

What were they cooking in there jesus

[spare socket]

u can see if you can cap to 120

without reflex

set monitor refresh rate higher and cap in nvcp

[icy belfry]

Yeah will do, i usually run 120 since easier to avoid vrr flicker

[slow forum]

Yeah Intel has always had stable frametimes, it only loses out in the highest fps margin

[mystic sparrow]

so in this game if you're using reflex which caps at 116 then cutscenes will be at 58? lol

[long yarrow]

I have CAP at 138 and cuts are 120

[mystic sparrow]

M/L are good in some cases and disastrous in others. Like people pointed out here the disgusting shimmering on specific reflections. I've had this in Wukong, RT ON with M/L insane shimmering on certain bodies of water, RT OFF (Lumen) absolutely fine.
K shows zero issues in that front, on any scenario. BUT any volumetrics has disgusting transparency/dithering/blockiness issues. Very noticeable on games like Control, Ghost of Tsushima etc. It's so annoying that none of these are fully addressed by nvidia or even really discussed at large. Only in niche places like this

[spare socket]

yep

this is in every game fwiw

but this just doesn't like sub 60 fps cutscenes

[warm osprey]

disastrous lol

why would you use such a strong word, it doesn't break the entire presentation or something

RT is actually good looking only with 4.0 Ray Reconstruction, so yeah, M/L look worse in those cases

in non-RT scenarios DLSS 4.5 is a clear improvement in the vast majority of games/cases

Nvidia can't combine 4.0 RR with DLSS presets M/L for technical reasons (at least at the moment)

[unkempt jacinth]

RR takes more time to train

[warm osprey]

this isn't the case, it's not just a matter of time

[warm osprey]

also, they fixed all the major preset K issues, like volumetrics blockiness and stuff with 4.5, so how is it not fully addressed?

[unkempt jacinth]

it seems 4.5 issue is with games denoisers

[warm osprey]

yeah, fair, they probably didn't test it with built in denoisers much

[velvet trench]

I can say with 100% certainty that it does work in cyberpunk to improve pixelated fog while upscaling. Haven't tried any other games though

[pearl harbor]

It addressed those and created others, like specular aliasing/shimmering and the broken RT denoising, like Nostromo and Steve said
It essentially becomes the game of pick your poison, for me I rather deal with the blur and ghosting of CNN (or even built in TAA) than at times straight up broken visuals

[wet rivet]

highlight sat gonna default to 51

vanilla (peak 400, luminosity 6, brightness 5) / defaults (peak 400, game brightness 100, psychov11) / purist (peak 400, game brightness 100, bt709 hue shift + maxch)

highlight sat 51 might be too much with maxch

ya it def is

makes fires look weird

[rotund salmon]

I think maxch looks good as is, it has a little bit of pink shifting on bright orange/red lights, but I doubt tweaking saturation resolves that

[wet rivet]

the textures are pink

meaning not enough shifting

[rotund salmon]

ah so it's the inverse

the lights in question close to match between SDR and vanilla HDR

the shift/not shift with maxch only seems to happen when they're at their brightest, you can see it on the Magellan door lights really easily because they're blinking out of sync

vanilla (BFF) / maxch

[wet rivet]

increased hue shifting a little

maxch
old / new

ok increased hue shifting and blowout with maxch and disabled highlight saturation with maxch

[wet rivet]

vanilla / defaults / purist

[rotund salmon]

@wet rivet there's a new update right now

before you upload what you're working on to nexus

[wet rivet]

rip mod broke again

might just be fg that changed

[slow forum]

Cutscene stuttering still there with this patch?

[twin monolith]

does the game enable u to use dlss + fsrFG/xefg?

[fringe harness]

fuck i was about to start playing

hopefully they fix the FG

[short charm]

Yes it does for both

[short charm]

Big day for Musa, DS2 and Dying Light updates at the same time lol

[signal pine]

Ive noticed it too

Annoying tbh

Also installed Lyall fix for UW, the FOV was too tight, not it's better

@wet rivet can we get HUE to 0 as default this time?

[wet rivet]

Psycho doesn’t have any hue sliders now

[signal pine]

oh

[wet rivet]

So it’s just hue shift and correction both 0

[rotund salmon]

the cutscene stuttering happens when cutscenes aren't locked at 30/60 etc. FPS, e.g. x2 frame gen breaks them at 120Hz since it's 58FPS

[signal pine]

i mean i can potentially play with fg off tbh

[rotund salmon]

artist's vision enforced 🙏

[warm osprey]

DLSS+HDR is still broken in this patch?

[rotund salmon]

that was fixed a couple days after launch

[fluid glade]

so are the cutscenes still screwed or nah?

[short charm]

Yes nothing has changed. However it seems they have solved zoom issue with scope for some

[signal pine]

they work fine if you dont use FG

just tested

getting 100fps at 5120x2160 with DLSS quality and all maxed out, so I'll stick to that

if you need frames just reduce ray tracing reflection from VHigh to High

[wet rivet]

updated

[stray hamlet]

turn level of detail down to high from very high

still an issue

[short charm]

I'm too early in the game, I don't have a scope yet

[stray hamlet]

well doing this fixes virtually all of the stuttering from camera switches and zooms

[pearl harbor]

Explains why I haven't seen any issues
I just went with high since it's what the PS5 is using

[short charm]

Anybody knows why Reshade screenshot and NVAPP don't have the same brightness ? nvapp screenshot is exactly what i'm seeing

Reshade / NVAPP

[radiant light]

woah wtf did they do to the performance

they did some magic

im getting 170fps with frame gen now

[stray hamlet]

because you are using a bad photo viewer

[radiant light]

i was at like 120 before the last few updates

[pearl harbor]

Chromium adjusts the brightness based on the SDR brightness slider
Set it to 31 and they should match

[short charm]

Nice catch, that's it

[pearl harbor]

Not the first rodeo

[thick edge]

did they fix stutter in cutscenes

[short charm]

LUT Scaling 0 / 100

[crystal ravine]

is that really not just happening when people aren't getting 60 base framerate on them?

[unkempt jacinth]

if anyone would fix it, it will probably be lyall

[short charm]

I tested his fix but while sound is normal, animations are extremely slow, leading to a desynchronization

[earnest skiff]

It only happens when frame gen is on in my case. I turned it off right away, and the stutter went away

[earnest skiff]

tested it with fg on the there is no stutter after the update at least for me

[thick edge]

what's the best settings I saw a bunch of back and forth and cant keep up

[normal sleet]

To me they're mostly at 60 with no stutter but they have couples of one or two frame hitches fairly frequently, especially on camera transitions

And besides, it really should not happen even if it's just tha fps dropping below 60, it's the year of our lord 2026, vrr is a thing, get your shit together Nixxies

[rotund salmon]

Purist preset comes closest to matching SDR and the standard defaults are Musa's personal preference

[thick edge]

i saw people say hdr look is the best

[rotund salmon]

eww

[crystal ravine]

I've pretty much been using purist personally

[rotund salmon]

yeah, I'm using purist with a little gamma bump to approximate 2.4

[short charm]

I'm using Purist, with LUT scaling 100 (nice details in blacks), and Highlight 60 (because I need the sky to pop more)

[crystal ravine]

fires might look messed up with highlight increased tho I think

[short charm]

I'm too early in the game, i will test it later. But yes I will loose details in 900 1000 nits range

[crystal ravine]

I had my highlight at 60 for a bit but lowered it

but ye I mean if everything looks fine rn just keep it there right?

[short charm]

Yes and the moon was too muted for my taste

[split sentinel]

someone get this man a proper display

😭

[split sentinel]

native for this game actually good?

[spare socket]

no

that's probably the best show for native

[waxen horizon]

Pretty good, ReShade breaks with DLSS for me on Linux, so have to go with it.

[spare socket]

but its too oversaturated there

[short charm]

Moon isn't enough bright in this game, even at 60 highlight. It must reach +900 nits. They failed at it

[spare socket]

huh

moon as bright as the sun

[short charm]

I need to feel this

[waxen horizon]

Eff it, back to PICO.

[hexed bloom]

you are supposed to come back later with new abilities and doing standard deliveries which give a lot more points.

[waxen horizon]

I'm only doing 4 for useful stuff and its still ridiculous.

[thin abyss]

That last star really does take a while tho for most preppers

You need so many likes

[rotund salmon]

there's a few real rewards at 5* as well

||Lone Commander has a suppressed small cargo sized version of the tranq rifle e.g. ||

[rotund salmon]

vanilla (BFF) / maxch / psycho

[devout locust]

Dlss doesn't know what's transparent it's just dealing with a single framebuffer basically

[shadow wave]

anyone updated to 595.97 nvidia driver? How is the performance for this game? Im still on 595.79

[late aspen]

i'm waiting for m_w_h to say whats a newer better driver tbh, on 595.79 atm

[plucky tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1oXLPQysW4&t=531s good for me soo far

[twin monolith]

who is m_w_h

[earnest shoal]

Great for me so far. Had 3~4 fps worse 1% lows on 595.79

[late aspen]

reddit chad who tests nvidia drivers

[twin monolith]

ooooh ty

[late aspen]

https://www.reddit.com/user/m_w_h

[knotty bobcat]

Isn't 595.97 a hotfix for that anime game only, and zero other changes?

I dont see any reason to upgrade to it

[rapid grail]

that's 596.02

[knotty bobcat]

Ahh alr mb

[lavish cove]

I’m fairly new to all this and having a crisis I sold my ps5 pro to just play some of these exclusives later on my 5090’not realizing hdr took so much tweaking and community support. I still need to have hdr on and calibrated in windows for an lg c5 before using reno correctly right ?

[late aspen]

nah, just hdr on is enough (disable dolby vision), you can turn on reference mode in nvcp too

[fluid glade]

it's actually pretty simple, just turn on HDR in windows and do the windows hdr calibration

that should give you the same HDR experience as on consoles most of the times

but pc has the advantage of modding support so you can actually fix HDR with renodx

so you're actually improving what was broken on consoles as well

[lavish cove]

Awesome do I need to turn off dynamic tone mapping on the tv?

[wet rivet]

should never be on

[fluid glade]

yea turn on HGIG and set peak brightness to 800

or what model of the C5 are you actually on?

[lavish cove]

It’s the lg c5

65 inch

[fluid glade]

which size

[fluid glade]

I'm checking what the peak brightness of HGIG the bigger sized models use for tone mapping

but best is if you use the windows hdr calibration tool with HGIG enabled and you will find out

probably either 800 or 1000 nits

[unkempt jacinth]

there is a better way than hgig

filmmaker mode with dtm off and professional sliders all at 100

[fluid glade]

how is it better?

[unkempt jacinth]

accurate calibration of FMM and its color brightness

[fluid glade]

ok I didn't know that but I guess the safest way to set up is just use HGIG and use calibration tool to determine peak brightness

and always use that

[unkempt jacinth]

c5 65” is ~1200 nits in FMM

[fluid glade]

damn that's actually really good

didn't know they got so much brighter the last few years

[unkempt jacinth]

i think you are confusing the c5 42” and 48” which are the 800 nits

[fluid glade]

yea I know those are dimmer

I thought 65'' would be around 1000 nits

[thin abyss]

Game about moving makes you lose frames when you move

Is this still the case after the last update

[mystic sparrow]

? havent bought the game yet, what is the issue

[thin abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/BMKing23/status/2037273748701626574

BenchmarKing (@BMKing23)

I’m seeing the same behavior. Even slight movement causes noticeable GPU usage spikes and can impact performance. Seems like the usual behavior with Nixxes ports, they love hitting the PCIe bus pretty hard.
The good news is it’s not nearly as bad as Spider Man 2, and frame times are at least more stable overall.
#DeathStranding2PC

QRT: Sebasti66855537
Another peculiar issue that I noticed in this game is that movement seems to impact GPU perf, even if it's rendering the exact same scene/geometry/assets/effects. This leads me to believe that the GPU may be used for more than rendering. Perhaps it's dynamically culling geometry?

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Mar 26, 2026, 9:01 PM

[stray hamlet]

turn level of detail down to high, done

[mystic sparrow]

interesting. I remember in DS1 I had to play at locked 120 fps with more input lag obviously as it's hitting vsync because 116 cap was just jerky as hell

lol

[thick edge]

how much does this affect lods

[stray hamlet]

not in any noticeable way

[rotund salmon]

they're already hideous a bunch of the time anyway, so no worries

[late aspen]

say it with me
pla
ce
bo

placebo

[short charm]

I checked with SpecialK like another user a few days ago, and the game doesn't use DirectStorage

Both files are in the folder but not in use

[mystic sparrow]

that's why it improved performance, the files are taking up resources for nuthin!

[knotty bobcat]

guys, for first playthru Brutal or TTW? I finished DS1 on Hard and found it to be not very challenging

[wet rivet]

so far brutal has been enjoyable

i feel like ttw would be a pain

[waxen horizon]

TTW is piss easy.

[wet rivet]

noice

what does ttw actually change

so far it's been easy but i'm not far

enemy outposts were pretty simple

[waxen horizon]

Maybe stamina or balance is harder, no idea, camps are full of dumb NPCs, bosses feel right.

[wet rivet]

first boss with brutal took a little long

got kind of bored

was just standing around shooting for like 10+ minutes

[waxen horizon]

Yeah, I had to craft extra grenades and a second LMG.

2nd with a shotty went much smoother.

[knotty bobcat]

I mainly asked cuz the main differences I saw is harder bosses, and also stamina drains faster

and I dont mind the challenge, but fast stamina drain sounds kinda tedious

idk if it acc is though

[waxen horizon]

Stamina feels like a pain for sure, but manageable.

[knotty bobcat]

Hmm

just sucks a bit that you cant change it midgame if I were to change my mind but oh well

[wet rivet]

lods look like shit

on high at least

gotta try very high

[short charm]

Do you know a way to disable/reduce bloom effect ? I've been searching everywhere but haven't found anything

[rotund salmon]

they just look like shit, barely any difference between very high and PS5

man, PS5 screenshot exports get butchered

[crisp notch]

in my experience not at all - or i just havent noticed it yet - it really just seems to be like, i dunno, very high only seems to be changing culling behaviour (im guessing based on smart peeps' comments online) in a way that fucks perf

(like the LODs dont look great on high, they just dont look any/much better on very high, but very high does butcher performance further)

[crystal ravine]

not sure how far I am but I have quite some hours, gotta say it kinda has gotten easier since I got better equipment. combat really doesn't feel very challenging

can't switch to TTW without starting a new save though sadly

[shadow wave]

can you switch to higher difficulties other than TTW though? Im not in the game to confirm but I am experiencing the same thing. Bosses are easier now.

[crystal ravine]

you can switch to any other difficulty whenever you want in the settings

TTW is the only one that requires to be on from the start

[shadow wave]

thanks, I'll try harder difficulty

[low timber]

i think id do anything for them or a mod to just remove the slowdown when you knock someone unconscious or kill them

[waxen horizon]

Chapter 5 ||Snake wannabe aura isn't even remotely close to Mads Mikkelsen||

But that is a very high bar to clear.

[thick edge]

is it just my impression or does this game have worse visuals than Horizon FW despite coming out later and not having any crossgen

[fluid glade]

depends on what you're looking at

DS2 straight up looks like a movie in cutscenes

[thick edge]

not always

that first cutscene with Fragile in his bunker

looked kinda ass

[fluid glade]

Horizon looks way more video gamey to me

[thick edge]

Horizon had almost no LOD popin

better lod for sure

far into distance

[fluid glade]

possible yea

I didn't notice in either game so far

[thick edge]

i havent gotten into jungle or forest if DS2 has them

[fluid glade]

but I usually don't look that far into the distance

[thick edge]

but I'd assume FW is better there

[fluid glade]

I mean yea Horizon has impressive tech no doubt

the volumetric clouds and stuff is awesome

I just wouldn't say it looks better generally just in different aspects

while I feel DS2 manages to feel way more cinematic

[thick edge]

eh maybe I said it wrong

it's like some tech aspects lagging behind FW which surprised me

I expected it would just dunk on it

since it's same engine and later release on ps5 only

[fluid glade]

FW was cross-gen?

damn

yea I understand what you mean

I don't feel it lagging behind personally and the weather effects in ds2 are really nice compared to the first

[shadow wave]

For those who think they missed dollman dance scene and tarman backstory, after order 42 - I was able to trigger them

[fluid glade]

but yea overall it feels more like it hasn't improved that much techincally

[tacit sleet]

Does RenoDX work on the game yet? I saw the WIP status, so I'm asking. I'm not English, so translating all the discussions to find information seems complicated. Thanks for your reply.

[fringe harness]

it works yes. Download the latest version on nexusmod

[raw crown]

Yes. Download from Nexus.

[tacit sleet]

Okay, because I downloaded the Snapshot version yesterday...
So I'll go through Nexus then, thanks guys! Have fun and enjoy your weekend 💪

[sleek furnace]

And if you enable similar parameters for Re2R, it uses Dlss mod, right? Does it make sense? Lod bias -0.5000 is set to Quality. I just saw your message and thought, what if I try to do the same for another game, and what should it affect, what should be noticed, to understand that it works as intended?

[sleek furnace]

I googled what it was and saw that I had done something similar for Dead Space Remake, and I found an instruction in Steam. It's a cool feature that removes texture flickering and improves the rendering of hair, grass, and so on. It might be useful for TLOU 2 as well, as Ellie's backpack flickers noticeably, especially when the camera is close, such as when opening safes. I also remember the strange shadows on the rocks in Santa Barbara. Although I played Dlss 4 + Dlaa

[crystal ravine]

for real, it's genuinely so annoying

[rotund salmon]

lol I pre-emptively built a bridge across the widest river before I'm sent this way for the next major order and there was a handy guidepost on the other side of the river near a prepper shelter that I used to line up the angle of the bridge, so I went to give it some likes and... it's my own guidepost from PS5

[fluid glade]

I was wondering if that was possible lmao

gotta look out for my own structures

[knotty bobcat]

bro what the hell is this port man

im watching the recap in DS2, which are just static pictures, I dont move my mouse, and my FPS is normal at 237

as soon as I move my mouse it drops down to 210, what is this

[thin nest]

Need RTX 7090

[knotty bobcat]

I got it down sub-200 FPS by moving the mouse even faster

its like a side-minigame where achieving a lower FPS is the goal, thanks nixxes ❤️

[thin nest]

Do you use like a over 1000hz mouse?

[knotty bobcat]

yeah I have superlight 2, but I have it at 1000hz

[thin nest]

No clue then

[knotty bobcat]

ima try it ingame too to see if that was just an issue with the recap or if it affects the game itself cause im curious now

[knotty bobcat]

nah it was just an issue with the recap weirdly enough

What DLDSR Smoothness would y'all recommend for 1440p 2.25x Factor? I have it at 67% currently

[thick edge]

bruh I am on first boss and ran out of ammo

and the game isn't throwing me weapons to find

ive been running around dodging for like 5 mins

ok I had to spam the touchpad button and they started appearing

[winged bronze]

TTW is the way to go if you want your games to be even remotely challenging. It feels weird that they have so many game mechanics tied to friction and they never get used in lesser difficulties. For example, your base shoes never gets worn out even in terrible terrain because there are safehouses everywhere. Bosses die too quickly without you ever having to bring equipment since in the boss arena ghosts of other players keep flooding you with everything you need to kill the boss.

[short charm]

SDR / Default / Purist / Deep Fried

[short charm]

Default + Contrast 58 + Saturation 54

[thick edge]

Reno Deepfried

[sleek furnace]

I understand that this is off-topic, but if anyone knows where to address my question, please let me know. I tried setting the Full Transparency (Dos mode) parameter in Tlou 2 for an experiment, but I'm not sure if I have it in NPI. The version is 2.4.36 (I think). . I'm not at my computer right now, so can someone take a screenshot of where exactly in the Profile Inspector you need to enable this parameter and/or several parameters? For example, Tlou 2. The names of the lines change slightly each time.

[shadow wave]

do you want to add sharpness to it? I would try 100% smoothness first so that theres no sharpness to it.

[knotty bobcat]

Yeah I tried 100% at 5 ingame sharpess but wasnt enough for me, feel like 60-80% is whats good for me

I also have enough performance to run DLDSR 2.25x at DLSS 4.5 UP or Perf, but not quite sure if I'm just better off using native 1440p Quality

dldsr looks really good

[thick edge]

has anyone checked what changes between RT reflections High and Very High?

is it roughness cutoff?

[knotty bobcat]

https://youtu.be/ZzgvncHmbds?si=O-08ehQ2-FeE59mo&t=434

Prolly not worth it to use RT Very high at all

[thick edge]

high

vhigh

[dim yoke]

So what do you guys prefer, deep fried or purist

[rotund salmon]

+1 for purist

[waxen horizon]

Purist, I want to see the game exactly how Kojima's underpaid overworked intern envisioned it while Kojima was glazing Ma Dong-seok or someone else.

[short charm]

I'm using an hybrid Musa's default soft fried. Default/Contrast 55/Saturation 55. "Adaptation contrast" is to saturated in mid-low lights

[timid mist]

Deep fried, it's what he would want

[tepid oracle]

Man I usually prefer accuracy but that deep fried be looking too appetizing 🤤

[ocean iris]

is this video notorious here? I found it when I just got my G5 and could barely contain my tears. So many people in the comments agree with him too 😭

[rotund salmon]

He deletes/hides every comment that isn't glazing him

[icy belfry]

Most people arent gonna be informed on whats good HDR or not

People here are gonna be a mega minority

[urban tapir]

Kojima intern locked in the feet scan mines 😭

[thick edge]

the more purist presets just look very ugly whenever there's more homogeneous weathers, like during rain it can look super washed out and ugly to me

[rotund salmon]

too many deep fried enjoyers hidden amongst us

[thick edge]

renodx deepfry is good though

[wet rivet]

game is all over the place contrast wise

indoors is very contrasty

outdoors is washed out

but I find outdoors mostly enjoyable

like I don't mind it being washed out usually

rain can be kinda bad though

[hexed bloom]

That guy is super cringe and talking a lot of nonsense no?

[knotty bobcat]

he has an AI pfp and uses it in his vids, so that should answer your questions

[icy belfry]

ds2 deffo benefits a bit more from colour outdoors

[late aspen]

slim shady plasma

[timid mist]

The four horsemen of the Deep Fried preset

[chrome heart]

plasma isn't nearly as bad nowadays

[hexed bloom]

Plasma has decent taste indeed

[wet rivet]

plasma is enlightened

he knows the code

[unique pulsar]

Fully?

Is it at least now more like “I know it might be deep fried but that’s my personal preference” instead of “fix game with these cursed settings”?

[waxen horizon]

I've only watched a couple GamingTech vids for PS5 games long ago, seemed ok to me then, i guess its generally not the case 🙂

[wet rivet]

well he has an understanding of the code going into these games at least

[wet rivet]

https://youtu.be/WxA5oxuXypI?si=1aSmoByGX3AP9HVl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yJl_YjUgfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK18S-Ii3tc

extremely cursed looking games

but super positive review

[warm osprey]

then play without Reno lol

using a mod that fixes visual presentation is already not seeing it "exactly" how devs made it

[waxen horizon]

That's the point of Purist - you get SDR but with HDR highlights.

[warm osprey]

you can never be sure, maybe their intent was to make HDR users suffer all along

that would be a Kojima thing to do

[wet rivet]

The hdr is a retrofit with janky code

They use sdr color grading LUTs

SDR is the true artistic intent

And matching that would be the most correct

My hunch based on the specific way they messed with the code

Is that they saw it was washed out but didn’t know why

So they added contrast by borking the pq function instead of properly doing the srgb -> 2.2 correction

[warm osprey]

I mean, yes, most likely, 99.9% chance that it's just a mistake, but if we talk about specifically intent - people can even make things in a shitty way on purpose without anyone knowing

[wet rivet]

Ya that’s what they did in ori 2

Evilboris consulted on that

And had to ask them to ship with sliders

Cause the defaults were so insanely jacked up

[warm osprey]

Reno is still definitely a true and real fix for broken mess that is HDR gaming most of the time

but using it is already modding a game, no way around it

[wet rivet]

Ya as of recently I’ve made the defaults tweaked a little based on my preference, so if people want the “correct” settings they have to click the purist button

[warm osprey]

and in modding every way is okay

[normal sleet]

John is a deep fried enjoyer?

[warm spade]

Well he thinks crimson deserts hdr is beautiful 😂

[thin abyss]

I trust Musa with my life

[normal sleet]

I think he's just not very knowledge when it comes to HDR, I don't think he's even fully aware of what renodx or luma are capable of

I think if he fully immerses himself into the world of accurate HDR he would problably ditch his deep fried proclivity

[wet rivet]

Idk

How much do tastes change at like 40+

[shadow wave]

I finished the game the other night. Story imo was pretty straightforward compared to the first one. Its still very good though.

I was amazed with the last parts. Felt like the endgame film

[wet rivet]

I heard the opposite on twitter

that stuff goes in a different direction than you'd expect

and the first was more straightforward

[shadow wave]

in terms of story? I feel like the first one had couple of metaphorical presentation compared to this one. Both are good though.

[wet rivet]

finally gonna play some more tonight

[unique pulsar]

You’re not gonna get to play, are you.

[wet rivet]

nah I actually closed my vscode window

[unique pulsar]

[wet rivet]

maxch / lms

vanilla / renodx

vanilla / renodx

vanilla / renodx

[normal sleet]

If you've watched the trailers you basically have 80% of the story already, and can guess a good chunk of the rest. I was legitemetely shocked how much Kojima spoiled through the trailers, he literally showed endgame cutscenes

There are a few good surprises tho, but I would have enjoyed the story far more if I didn't already see a lot of the story bits in the trailers.

But those damn trailers were so good, imo Kojima is better at editing his trailers than his games lol

[devout locust]

i can never get over that dragonball one 💀💀💀

jesus fucking christ

[normal sleet]

Well he always goes out of his way to experience retro games as faithfully as possible, how there're "meant to be played", so imo it's less that he has a preference for deep fried HDR and more that he thinks that when it looks punchy it must mean that it's correct, imo he's just not fully aware how broken on a technical level most implementations are

[merry coral]

To be honest the story is just okay for me I'm currently at chapter 9, but I can't get enough of the gameplay loop

Oddly addicting

[fluid glade]

why is Jon on that list lol

[chrome heart]

He has the weirdest takes about HDR. Imagine RTX HDR with extra saturation: that's Johns taste.

[fluid glade]

huh that's not how I perceived him personally but I guess I haven't seen too much comments on HDR from DF in general

[chrome heart]

He doesn't talk about it too much

Mostly in switch 2 reviews and on the weekly

[mossy tapir]

I did 100 smoothness and added liliums hdr RCAS, or yea 67 with no added sharpening

[knotty bobcat]

I see thank you, Ive been playing on the same settings till now, but I'll have to try out RCAS if it's not complicated to implement because I've seen other people recommending it too

is there any guide on how to make install it or anything like that? I might be blind but ive been searching online and cant seem to find anything about it

[mossy tapir]

dl reshade with addons. add the games exe - directx 11/12 then look for reshade hdr shaders by lilium, click it. then add lilum rcashdr.fx start the game and press HOME key (depends on keyboard for me its FN+ [ ), should be there. enable it, keep the default setting on it or go up some. sorry im bad at tutorials and about to rest. but honestly dldsrs sharpening is pretty good... maybe. just dont make it look crunchy or noisey

[knotty bobcat]

thank you so much! I'll compare dldsr sharpening and this one to see which one I prefer

[shadow wave]

Anyone tried dynamic mfg? Its out now

[knotty bobcat]

In terms of artifacting its sadly still the same cause DS2 isnt supported for the new model B

Sucks because I'd use frame gen, but the text artifacting is unbearable

[warm spade]

Horizon games are supported by model B which uses the decimal engine too

Great priorities to support them but not ds2 lol

[rotund salmon]

no idea if this is doing anything, because DS2 isn't listed as a supported title, but this is forcing the new preset B via NVPI and taking screenshots whilst spinning the camera full speed

I wouldn't use FG in DS2 regardless because of the cutscene stutter, but yeah

[knotty bobcat]

Instead they prioritize support BF6 and F1 25 where you would want the smallest latency like bro what 🤦‍♂️

[knotty bobcat]

Thanks for the pics, are the popup texts on the right artifacting way less now?

If nixxes could fix the FG cutscene issue that'd be awesome

[rotund salmon]

yeah, I wanted to get an example with those, but I'm late in the game, so they hardly pop up now, but when one does I'll take a pic

[shadow wave]

How about the dynamic mfg override, does it work on this game?

[rotund salmon]

should be fine, yeah, but I haven't bothered testing it because I'm not interested in dynamic FG

[short charm]

I don't see any difference with a 4080

[fringe harness]

any of you know where to download the streamline 2.11?

cant see it in their github but people have it it somehow

[lime lynx]

How to enable that dlss debug overlay?

[covert hawk]

Completely agree

I was pretty disappointed by the story and it's structure as most of it was shown in trailers and it basically just copies death stranding 1

I was excited for the final villain twist but then when they twisted it back I was like are we fucking serious like it's still just this guy????

[rotund salmon]

the bottom one

[short charm]

I did 2 reg files to be more easy / quick to enable / disable it

[thick edge]

i have latest nvpi pre release and it has no options yet for FG model

[knotty bobcat]

i was so hoping the deadzone issues would be fixed for DS2 but its still not

why cant they just add a normal deadzone slider like all games, 0 deadzone still has like 0.1 deadzone for some reason, so annoying to aim precisely with sniper rifle

[warm spade]

Anti dead zone in steam input as a workaround?

[knotty bobcat]

im not sure, doesnt enabling steam input fucks with dualsense support?

at least thats what I've read online

[rotund salmon]

need to show all settings and scroll down towards the bottom of other

I think UIR on the DLSS debug overlay indicates if it's using the HUD stuff from Preset B

[warm spade]

Is that preset B?

[rotund salmon]

yeah

[thick edge]

i guess nvidia app already changed it to it

i thought they would have more improvements besides just UI

pretty lame

[thin nest]

its still new model no?

i bet its not just UI

[warm spade]

It’s just ui

[thin nest]

damn

so its the same model?

[warm spade]

Which games have u tested that do seem to properly use model B?

[thick edge]

calling it a new model is stupid

they added more UI buffers

nothing else

[radiant light]

does it fix the issue with the border of the tips looking weird with frame gen on

[warm spade]

Saw someone in the opti server say that model B is working in ds2 even though it’s not on the official list

[rotund salmon]

yeah, it's one of the games that have the "UIR - on" on the DLSS overlay, if that's any indication(?)

it still smears some HUD elements and garbles some stuff, like you can see in the second screenshot here with the background of the controls tooltip and the objective marker

[normal sleet]

I think there are great ideas there, things like ||“The more we seek to unite the people with metaphorical ropes, the more essential “sticks” seem to become."|| or the whole ||AI wanting to optimise and control the human project by erasing individuality and free will||, unfortunately they're concepts put mostly aside in favor of ||electric guitars street fighter fight||, which I mean, fine, but I wish the game got a bit more philosophical because the potential was there.

[covert hawk]

YES

especially with the villain twist

I thought it was great and getting to the more philosophical aspects of Kojimas writing

But then they handwaved it in like 5 minutes 😭😭😭

||like dude we have already fought Higgs so many times. He's just a massive hater, would've been way cooler for the villain to be an ai that is attempting to do what it sees as right||

||I think the game and story would have been FAAAR better if Higgs stayed dead in the first game and it was a new antagonist||

I'm biased in that I like to see villains who are more conflicted though

For someone who really loves the ARRGGG this guy is just really evil and you have to kill him kind of stories I imagine it'd be more enjoyable

but I definitely expect a lot more from Kojima

Honestly it might've been pushback from upper management though

I could see them being responsible for him having to tone down his criticism of ai

[normal sleet]

After that glorious ||Die-Hardman pop star reveal||, I’m convinced Kojima was working with a completely blank check. If something that wild made it through approval, he could’ve gotten literally anything past upper management if he’d wanted to.

[covert hawk]

that is definitely my favorite scene from the game

lmao

i figured it was him the whole time but the way they did it was so hilarious my jaw was dropped the entire scene

[short charm]

If I enable Steam Input, I loose vibrations from the triggers on Xbox controller

[normal sleet]

I could not believe what I was seeing, it took me a good half hour to fully process that scene, at first I though I must have triggered an easter egg or something, but then it just...kept going and going and going

[thorny badger]

they also mentioned "improvements to frame pacing and image quality" in the nvidia.com article, whatever that means

[warm spade]

It’s clarified later in the article that the only quality improvement is the ui in selected games

And by frame pacing I’m pretty sure they are just referring to 50 series flip metering

[glass sage]

||If you pay attention earlier in the game it says there are 5 people aboard the Magellan, when you've only seen four.||

[normal sleet]

The moment I saw that the game showed you that number I knew that they were going to do something with it, chekhov's gun type shit.

[glass sage]

||You can also try going into the back room next to the armory, it will give you an excuse why you can't. He's in there. ||

[normal sleet]

I've used the armory exactly one time, so I completely missed this

[glass sage]

Yeah, this game is phenomenal. The part Pen is talking about also made my jaw drop, I looooved that scene.

[shadow wave]

Lyall updated his fix mod. We can now disable film grain, vignette and chromatic abberation

[radiant light]

new frame gen model fixes the warping and weirdness at the edges of these tips blue background

[shadow wave]

did you forced using NVPI?

[quartz trail]

is there a way to disabel depth of field?

[merry coral]

maybe try this?

i heard of this but didn't try yet

[shadow wave]

Lyall mod

https://codeberg.org/Lyall/DeathStranding2Fix/releases

[merry coral]

oh shit i didnot paste the link

yeah that one

[shadow wave]

Yea been using that since v1

No more chromatic abberation with scope

[glass sage]

You can use the nvidia app

but you might have to do it globally

[shadow wave]

Global works? Because in game profile is disabled

[glass sage]

When i enable it in the app it gives a warning but when I'm in DS2 and use DLSS indicators under statistics it says FG model B

[shadow wave]

Thanks, working on my end too

any idea why sometimes nvidia overslay stats says N/A? I can't get the PC LAT to work

[glass sage]

I don't know what causes that, only know that I usually have to restart to fix that issue.

[normal sleet]

Is the sync issues in cutscenes fixed?

[shadow wave]

With lyall's mod? No. That version did not go into official release

[short charm]

He said : I've yet to find a way to increase the update rate for the cutscene sequences without risking desync unfortunately. So yes, it is at somewhat of a dead end for now. It's worth noting that the function I'm hooking for the experimental fix is only one of many that accesses the sequence's update rate setting, so there is an avenue for research there.

[fluid glade]

nope and I opened a ticket about it

in case they still aren't aware of the issue

let's see if they will actually fix it

but for now playing at 120+ fps is fine as long as base frame rate is above 60

or at least 60

[normal sleet]

I still couldn't deal with the microstutter during gameplay if I played unlocked like that, had to play at a locked 100 with vsync

[earnest skiff]

anyone knows how to fix the shimmering

[glass sage]

More specifically?

I had shimmering in shadows until I forced preset L. Mostly gone now.

[normal sleet]

Be aware that preset L while fixes some things it also introduces problems of its own, like shimmering for some reflections
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[glass sage]

I haven't noticed my reflections shimmering personally. I would try it and see how you like it, can always be turned off.

Yeah just watched that clip, haven't noticed anything like that yet. I have noticed some screen space shadows? bugging out on the ground but that's it.

[knotty bobcat]

I only noticed shimmering and noise in VR on the walls, but I feel like that's intentional

[earnest skiff]

look at the lights in the background
they always flickers when they're out of focus for some reason

[glass sage]

Yeah I don't have that issue, huh. What resolution you have and DLSS preset? 4K balanced for me, wonder if that's the reason? I'm about to play I'll keep a better eye on it.

[earnest skiff]

I'm playing at 1440p and I'm an AMD andy so its FSR - Quality
I tried native but still the issue is there

[glass sage]

I haven't tried native, but I bet it's DLSS cleaning a lot of it up. Although resolution plays a part. 4k quality would be 1440P where as 1440p quality is 960p.

Even at balanced I'm upscaling from 1253.

[normal sleet]

Can you show what it looks like at native? Maybe with pico instead of fsr?

[glass sage]

I do get some flickering on the lights at night but it's nothing near what you have

[shadow wave]

I am not experiencing this also. 4k dlss quality

[fluid glade]

looks to me like low resolution and Depth of Field causing aliasing

you could try turning off Depth of Field with Lyall's fix

he has an option for that

but you will lose it in cinematics too probably which I wouldn't want

[earnest skiff]

I’m not home right now but it’s basically the same, just a different type of flickering lol. I’m not sure if it’s worse or better they all seem to have the same issue

[earnest skiff]

Might be a 9070XT/AMD issue then

[earnest skiff]

Yeah I did this with Expedition 33 it basically had the same issue for me but it was a LOT worse than this cuz everything in the background was flickering not just lights

[earnest skiff]

Yea the game would look less cinematic which sucks IMO

[earnest skiff]

Regretting buying an AMD card I never encountered these type of issues with Nvidia before

[thick edge]

its actually insane how heavy the VHigh reflections are

with a 5090 it makes it impossible to have a minimum base fps of 60 everywhere unless you go down to DLSS Performance at 4K

[normal sleet]

The game has dogshit optimization in some areas, especially when it rains, with a 5080 I saw the framerate go as low as the 40s even with dlss if I maxed out all the settings, it's obscene, also the game seems to be weirdly cpu heavy for some reason(the reason is Nixxies), so even a beefy GPU can't help

[thick edge]

I am talking about GPU load

on max it performs like it's doing path tracing

[rotund salmon]

yeah, I love scalability in games so people with a breadth of different hardware can get a good experience, but the high end is crazy demanding here for what's on offer. I'm using a 5090 and 9850X3D and have the game capped at 60FPS for it to be stable on max settings

[thick edge]

this isn't scalability though

the RT in this game is barely anything

[rotund salmon]

hence my entire post

[thick edge]

it's trash

the reflections have horrible denoising

[normal sleet]

you basically have a $4000 ps5 pro

[thick edge]

and they only look ok at very high

I had to settle for High, but I can definitely tell how much less defined they are

[rotund salmon]

I never played Horizon, so I don't know if it's an engine thing or just a game issue with DS, but it's the distance detail or lack thereof that bothers me more than the middling RT

[thick edge]

horizon 2 has way better LODs

idk they enshittified the engine on the death stranding branch

[glass sage]

I tired that but like you said that noise

Might toggle it on and off depending on area but that's annoying

[thick edge]

using display commander to change the way fps cap is done I was able to get stutter-free cutscenes with Frame Gen as long as base fps doesnt dip below 60

so it's not necessary to avoid FG

i'd take the fps hit for the reflections but the issue is how some cutscenes are mega heavy and the drops cause stutters

[glass sage]

yeah I noticed as soon as I switched those to high cut scenes were a lot better.

[shadow wave]

How? Have not used display commander once

[thick edge]

disable reflex markers and max queued frames 3, safe mode fps limiter

fps cap to whatever has 60 as real fps

[shadow wave]

confirming if this is the one?

https://github.com/pmnoxx/display-commander

[rotund salmon]

I like how the stars are a bit oversized, it's a nice look

[thin nest]

We have a channel here sir

#1486668882776293558

But yeh that’s the right GitHub

[shadow wave]

thank you

[shadow wave]

cant find these 3 settings in here. And I also found out that VRR is disabled. 100 hrs in this game without gsync? wth

[mystic sparrow]

how did you not see any tearing? : o

[shadow wave]

I never go past 240hz. Locking at 224fps. More importantly, why VRR off? Gysnc is enabled

[mystic sparrow]

tearing happens at any range not just over the refresh rate

[shadow wave]

lucky me I guess. Did not see any tearing.

patch is up

[thick edge]

allergic to concrete patch notes

various fixes

[shadow wave]

trying to figure out my DC saying my vrr is off. Whe the fuck my gsycn isnt working

[lime lynx]

It looks like for pc version they are using base ps5 performance mode lods for some reason

[slow forum]

Still no workaround to custscene juddering. How much tone deaf are Nixxes?

[short charm]

Maybe a fullscreen windowed, or MPO issue ?

[shadow wave]

is VRR in DC fetching from VRR option in windows? I have it off in windows. But gsync is enabled

[warm osprey]

did Reno break again?

or still works fine on this patch

[shadow wave]

oh my fucking god

I found out theres a toggle switch in NV App - NVCP is not enough

[thick edge]

nvcp has teh same thing

[shadow wave]

it was in off state. I toggled it on and now windows is saying VRR is supported

[shadow wave]

it is enabled there. But nvcp has no toggle like that

[thick edge]

literal same thing

never touched it in nvapp

[reef copper]

Photo Mode screenshots taken in HDR no longer appear to be washed out.

finally, nice small fix

is the mod working fine after the update?

[shadow wave]

you can enable it like this here, but having NV app toggle to off disables it

[shadow wave]

working fine for me

[pine trail]

guys i have a 11400f paired with a 12gb 3060 at the moment and using frame gen i can get about 80 fps at 1440p, i have also tried dldsr 2.25 and the fake 4k looks really crisp and getting about 58-61 fps with frame gen. Would upgrading to the 16gb 5060ti get me through this hurdle? I dont plan on getting a 4k monitor anytime soon so this is really a dldsr build i have in mind

[fluid glade]

is anyone having tons of crashes during cutscenes with the newest update?

[short charm]

I don't crash but when I upgrade roads lv.2, I'm about 2 fps

And 2 or 3 times, 2-3 secondes freeze

[stray hamlet]

level of detail high