Death Stranding 2

[split cosmos]

what chip are u using @glass sage

[glass sage]

9800x3d

[split cosmos]

what game do u usually stutter on?

[glass sage]

I don't, unless I use balanced. If I use balanced I'll see small stutters in most games I try. Sorry don't have anything specific it's been awhile since I've tried.

[split cosmos]

no worries

[covert hawk]

i also dont stutter in most other games

ds2 is the exception so far

but it did fix this

[split cosmos]

"Core parking is disabled and the CPU never drops below its nominal (base) frequency." is what bitsum does, idk any specifics other than that

[covert hawk]

gonna try marathon out and see if my perf improved

that game is super cpu bottlenecked for me

[split cosmos]

i swear windows rly gotta get their shit together 😭

[covert hawk]

yeah

the minute the nvidia fixes get implemented widely in linux im gone

[split cosmos]

same

[glass sage]

hopefully whatever update they are working on is actually meaningful, windows has been talking a big game recently about improvements for gaming.

We'll see if it ever releases

[split cosmos]

i hope so too

[glass sage]

did you switch to Ultimate performance or another option @covert hawk

[split cosmos]

there's so many variables that could cause why you stutter with balanced, maybe it's a psu related or cable related thing, idfk it's weird asf but if high perf. works then by all means use it, your chip may just be different

[glass sage]

I haven't used it in awhile going to try it out again

[covert hawk]

just the one that i posted there

bitsum performance

[glass sage]

I also don't mind not saving on power

[covert hawk]

need to install process lasso for it to show up

[glass sage]

So I'll take any extra perf I can get

Oh are you not using project lasso?

[covert hawk]

oh i am

i meant it doesnt show up without it

[glass sage]

Ok I'm just dumb lol

[split cosmos]

as long as you got consistent cooling, you'll be fine so keep at it

[glass sage]

confused myself

[covert hawk]

sry lol

nah ur good i worded it weird

i only found lasso the other week too

[glass sage]

My PC purrs it's so cool ;D

[covert hawk]

figured i wouldnt need it but then tried it and was like

"oh"

so thats why everyone recommends it

[split cosmos]

especially for your cpu :P

gotta make sure windows is properly using ur cache for games and not other apps

what ram mhz are yall using?

[glass sage]

6000

[covert hawk]

6400

pcie5x16 also for the gpu

[glass sage]

huzzah!

fucking stupid expensive ram now, was like 150 now 800+

[split cosmos]

actually crazy bro

[glass sage]

it really fucking is

[split cosmos]

but ye rockin 6000 too

[glass sage]

I'm old, this market is obscene

but that's not news lol

[split cosmos]

and thats cause ram was getting cheaper and cheaper too </3

[covert hawk]

my ram is the fastest appreciating asset ive ever owned lmao

[glass sage]

lol

[covert hawk]

i got it on sale at mc for like 400 bucks

its 96gb

its now like 1500 lmao

[glass sage]

Holy

do you use that 96gb?

Sell some of that back and make a buck lol

[covert hawk]

definitely not all at once

but nahhhh then id be stuck w 1 stick

[glass sage]

why can't my brain do half of 96... 48 there we go rofl. 48 gb sticks wow

[covert hawk]

didnt even know they were available in that size til i saw them on sale on the shelf

def an unusual size

[earnest shoal]

Love the conversation here guys. Reading through it at work now and I’ve just been laughing my ass off at your name and profile @covert hawk absolute legend😂

[spare socket]

Wish I knew this for RE9, I was wondering why the setting does nothing

Negative LOD bias helps immensely in that game

[short charm]

dstorage.dll and dstoragecore.dll are in \native\bin\x64

[wet rivet]

do we know for sure about the lod bias stuff not being set up

[pearl harbor]

Negative lod bias can cause severe Moiré patterns on the high frequency textures, so it could have been a deliberate decision, if true

[normal sleet]

Are the lods not the same as the ps5 version?

[short charm]

New experimental Lyall's mod update https://codeberg.org/Lyall/DeathStranding2Fix/issues/1#issuecomment-11948601

;;;;;;;;;; Experimental ;;;;;;;;;;

[Reduce Cutscene Judder]
; Attempts to reduce cutscene judder/stutter by increasing the cutscene update rate.
; This option also removes the 60fps cap during cutscenes.
Enabled = false
; Set "Dynamic" to "true" to dynamically set the cutscene update rate.
Dynamic = false

[thin nest]

Lyall cooking as always

[spare socket]

With DLSS balanced -1.0 LDD Bias I couldn't tell a difference in this, while it was immediately apparent in RE9 to me

🤷‍♂️

[spare socket]

they seem to match PS5 but not PS5 Pro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFvg_HKlDc&t=44s

PS5 pro seems to flat out have more geometry in the distance

in the opening at least

Eh never mind it doesn't seem to match at all

some are better on pc some are better on ps5 pro

I do notice texture streaming being slow in general on PC tho

don't really remember that being the case on PS5

[spare socket]

Textures definitely seem lower quality on PC, maybe LOD Bias is indeed not set properly

[normal sleet]

distant mountains seem to be more detailed tho, if a bit blurrier, but the blurriness might be due to differences in AA/upscaler used

[spare socket]

ya pc does have more geometric detail actually

but i doubt pico is better than dlss in detail retrieval

i think the pro runs at native 4k tho in quality mode

[normal sleet]

That is true, looking at it more some mountains do look a bit too blurry on PC, defenitely something weird happening

[velvet trench]

lod bias isn't set correctly

apparently there are issues with interface text if you force negative lod bias

[normal sleet]

Yeah there's absolutely something wrong with the lods, no doubt about it

[velvet trench]

I was also seeing moire on Sam's shirt in a cutscene when I had -1.5 set with dlss quality

[normal sleet]

This was the first game I've spent 80 euro on release in like a decade, what a great decision on my part

I foolishly thought that Nixxes might have finally gotten their shit together, never bet on shitty devs to suddenly stop being bad I guess, lesson learned.

[twin monolith]

these online bonus games is what makes it worth buying

[normal sleet]

The what?

[twin monolith]

idk the term

where you see structures built by players

[shadow wave]

anyone tested this here? I saw comments saying there are issues

[normal sleet]

oh yeah, well yes, but 80 bucks for a broken ass port is borderline insulting, I've spent more than 2 grand on my pc specifically to have a superior experience to consoles and between the stutters, the graphical problems and the hdr problems it definetely doesn't feel like I'm having the premium experience I paid for

I'm 10 hours into the game, I guess I'll have to bench it until they fix these issues(hopefully)

[lapis scarab]

This causes new stutter, for example when looking through the sniper rilfe scope

[lapis scarab]

Or not, maybe that was a different cause

[short charm]

This mod doesn't do anything in this area of the game

[spare socket]

the right side of the image has better lods on pc

in the same frame

it's not consistent

the textures are consistently better on PS5 pro tho

All in all the game is running fine and looks good for me, it's not that bad

especially with RenoDX fixing hdr

[waxen horizon]

In case there are other Linux users - ReShade works if i use PICO instead of DLSS, though maybe there is a way to make DLSS and ReShade work that iu don't know of.

[lime lynx]

Yesterday i tried to compare pc to a non-pro ps5 by switching hdmi inputs on a tv. Distant terrain textures had more detail on ps5 on both performance and quality modes. Distant terrain meshes on pc did look similar to ps5 performance, but when comparing to ps5 quality - it did look like ps5 version had more polygons in general or these lod meshes were farther away.

But i was pixel peeping and using these ingame binoculars 😄 And not sure how its comparable to other areas. Still weird that ps5 has more detail

[normal sleet]

yeah I was talking about textures

[spare socket]

I'm not so sure

I don't remmeber which is which

one of them is -1.0 the other is untouched

left is -1.0 i think

[spare socket]

@lime lynx distant terrain meshes seem better here on pc on the right side of the image

compared to ps5 pro

like significantly better too

the buildings in the back and mountains in general seem to lack detail tho idk

Also PS5 performance looks terrible, it's super low res, i wouldn't really use that for comparisons

[lime lynx]

I was looking through these binoculars and on pc it was looking more “bloby” and rounded

[normal sleet]

in your screenshots the lods in the circle of my image seems to be on par with the pro, really strange

[spare socket]

Oh interesting

I did notice that it takes a while for textures/lods to stream in

this could be the discrepancy

[lime lynx]

My pc was sitting still for a minute, but nothing was happening, it’s kinda minor issue. But not sure about areas further into the game

[spare socket]

I see it on camera movement

but it's very minor

[lime lynx]

Maybe difference was similar to this at 23:17
https://youtu.be/-ApWCtAuKcI?t=1394&is=Qaw8MhvJQ5p5Dbzg

[fluid glade]

latest lyall mod seems to fix cutscene judder and unlock fps

ah I see this was already posted, nice

[spare socket]

if i compare the screenshots i just took with a still from that video on the ps5 pro

pc has better lods super far off

but lower lods in the middle?

it's fucking weird

[normal sleet]

I've tried it, unlocking fps in cutscenes fucked up audio sync in a cutscene, problably not usable

[spare socket]

nah actually PC looks better throughout

[pearl harbor]

It could be sharpening

[spare socket]

ps5 looks a bit oversharpened

yea you're right I think

Time to crank RCAS

[spare socket]

in this as well

it's very likely preset K and not L/M

which is definitely softer than pico native + sharpening in stills

[lime lynx]

What resolution base ps5 is rendering in perf mode?

I was comparing that to 4k dlaa

And it still looked like PS5 had a bit more detailed textures for distant terrain

[spare socket]

very likely the sharpening hallucinating detail

vs the softness of K DLAA

[pearl harbor]

Also, who knows how the footage was sourced or/and captured
The pc capture could be affected by the compression even before YouTube does its thing

[lime lynx]

There is a hill to the right of that crater and it looked like it just has higher res textures

[pearl harbor]

I wouldn't really trust some rando channel to do a proper comparison

[spare socket]

Destin used to work for IGN, but your point is still valid about the capture

[lime lynx]

I was comparing, pixel peeping myself, by switching hdmi inputs on my tv 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Unless not the kind you can use to judge iq differences

[spare socket]

it definitely doesn't look the same as my screenshots

[pearl harbor]

Didn't know that

[spare socket]

All g

[pearl harbor]

But yeah, ideally both platforms should have been captured using the same equipment and encoded with the same settings

[spare socket]

I think it's dynamic targeting 1440p

[lime lynx]

It definitely looked lower res overall though still had more details in those textures

[spare socket]

try forcing preset M or L

[pearl harbor]

If you have HQ screenshots from the beginning of the game I could dl the HQ version of the DF video from patreon and compare

[spare socket]

@pearl harbor

I can do native hdr default to make the comparison easier

altho that's preset L with output scaling as well

[pearl harbor]

Would appreciate it

You know what, maybe would be easier if I post screenshots first and then you try to match them

[spare socket]

need to capture the screenshot regardless 🤷‍♂️

[lime lynx]

Hdr mod definitely fixed that weird blue, almost slightly violet tint, gradient in the clouds while looking towards sun 🙂

At first on my displayblack 400 qd-oled i wasn’t sure what was the difference, but then it was very aparent on lg g5

[spare socket]

Preset L max settings, no ray tracing. default HDR peak 1k
Performance / DLAA

this was a double take

i didn't believe performance looked that good

but it does

L performance goes so hard

[spare socket]

PICO native, default sharpening (this is a little buggy so not sure if it truly is default)

[shadow wave]

seems like its skipping dialogues in cutscenes. I tried on deliveries. Im going back to previous version

[glass sage]

I'm going to try it out too in a sec

[fluid glade]

did you lock the fps?

I saw something about audio going out of sync

[normal sleet]

And now these have the buggy low res textures, same as the screenshot from the video, this is a head scratcher

[spare socket]

hmm

[normal sleet]

Obligatory fucking Nixxies

[spare socket]

I can't even reproduce it

[normal sleet]

So sometimes it loads properly and sometimes it doesn't? great

[spare socket]

It seems consistently fine now

[warm spade]

https://x.com/mpr_reviews/status/2036059778556834299?s=46

Mostly Positive Reviews (@mpr_reviews)

Ran a quick test at 1440p Very High, DLSS Balanced, RTAO on.

PCIE Gen 4 x 16 = 99 fps
PCIE Gen 5 x 16 = 109 fps

So basically a 10% improvement by going to PCIE Gen 5. I saw similar gains when @aziebert and I tested Doom: TDA PCIE Gen 5 vs Gen 4.

X · Mar 23, 2026, 12:37 PM

[shadow wave]

no, but I have framecap at 224fps

[normal sleet]

I'm running gen 5, if true good to know, still stutters tho so not really useful

[spare socket]

@pearl harbor now with textures loaded in properly lmao
L Performance/DLAA

[pearl harbor]

The best I could get from the video
The HQ download is dead, so I had to rip the YT version

[earnest shoal]

Did anyone figure out why the game is so cpu heavy? Permanently 40% and above even just talking to holograms at the delivery terminal💀

[pearl harbor]

Probably crunching shaders in the background

[spare socket]

matched, L DLAA

some pretty big grading differences (hdr improvements?)

Textures look the same

LODs seem better on PC in certain parts

difficult to compare since the screenshots are not the same quality

[normal sleet]

Because Nixxies, The Last Of Us part II had the same problem, ridiculously CPU heavy for no apparent reason, in that title it was even more egregious since it was a ps4 game

[warm osprey]

interesting that Ghost of Tsushima port was largely fine performance-wise (HDR was broken tho)

[normal sleet]

Maybe because Ghost is an overwall lighter game, which makes sense when you look at it

[unkempt jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/paiva-paivaa-cortisol-effects-reasonable-crashout-cortisol-gif-18374890919777555677

these nixxes slanders are outrageous

[spare socket]

based

[unkempt jacinth]

hdr is also broken on console iirc same with the second one

[normal sleet]

I mean when is HDR not broken? Nixxies or not lol

[wet rivet]

alan wake 2

[fringe harness]

alan wake 2 is cinema

[normal sleet]

I really need to play that uh, I don't like spooky games tho, but it does look really interesting

[spare socket]

if jump scares get you easily, you're gonna have a great time

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[knotty bobcat]

dead space remake also has good hdr, at least to me it was nice

[normal sleet]

I guess no Alan Wake 2 for me!

[spare socket]

They added settings to tone them down

so could be fine?

[reef copper]

Apparently, in-game screenshot viewer cannot display HDR, so it's all grey

[earnest shoal]

True, guess I didn’t mind since performance was better for me in that game

[wet rivet]

Forgot that I could add better ui blending

Only for DLSS users though

Also it wouldn’t effect ui elements that are actually part of the game scene

Since some ui elements I think are run through the color grading

[warm osprey]

definitely looks like so

[normal sleet]

Man I fucking hate jump scares, they feel so cheap, they just trigger a mental reflex without showing something that justify that fight of flight response, and I like horror stuff, Hereditary and Midsommar are two of my favorite movies but they're also very light on jump scares and rely almost exclusively on legitimately unsettling stuff. I wish more horror content was like that.

[wet rivet]

There’s also an option in the game to turn off the jump scares

Though to me the jump scares never really made me jump

It basically just flashes something on the screen for a second with a sound

So they don’t really add much to the game

Not losing anything by disabling them

[spare socket]

Ye AW2 jump scares are just that, they add very little

don't think you can fully disable them tho

just tone down the sound and visual

[normal sleet]

ughhhh the worst kind, I guess I could try disabling them, although I would feel bad for experiencing the game in the unintend way technically

[warm osprey]

fair, but at least it didn't have this LOD weirdness lol

[spare socket]

Hereditary was absolute PEAK

[split cosmos]

there’s jump scares in this game wtf

[warm osprey]

I think I'm around half way through the game, at least, unlocked regions-wise I've done West and North, and yeah, DS2 is really different from DS1

much less of a struggling DoorDasher simulator

[spare socket]

What difficulty you on

[warm osprey]

the one below the new highest

[split cosmos]

Fuckkkkkk do I play DS1 or do I continue my resident evil journey and play 2 remastered

[spare socket]

oof

[warm osprey]

that prompt about not being able to change from that one later deterred me from picking it at the start kek

[spare socket]

Yea, fair enough

[warm osprey]

in general the entire mood of the game

[spare socket]

it does add some much needed friction imo

[warm osprey]

is that MC is more of an all around survival and combat expert and in general the best problem solver

all characters expect way more of him

[normal sleet]

Yeah I know, I got a pretty good one when I was about to take a shower in the DHV Magellan, but it wasn't so bad, it was telegraphed pretty heavely

[warm osprey]

and cargo deliveries pay much lesser role in relation to other (mainly combat) tasks

there are way less Standard Orders too

[spare socket]

Yea, the game kinda pushes you to move forward

and there's generally a good reason for it

[warm osprey]

even with the faster Standard Order reload perk I'm still stuck not being able to max Preppers

[spare socket]

minor gameplay spoilers: ||there are several long backtracks tied to story progression||

[warm osprey]

also they removed the feature where you could search which facilities have orders to deliver to the one you pick on the map?

[split cosmos]

fuck it yall r convincing me to play ds1 especially if ds2 has more action

[spare socket]

also: ||late game preppers have orders for early game preppers ||

[true urchin]

some luts are bad, needlessly limited

[warm osprey]

DS1 is definitely way more of an experience rather than a standard open world game

[true urchin]

pumbo did what he could but the game's hdr is not perfect due to (imo) bad artistic decisions

[warm osprey]

DS2 is definitely a good game, but it's less experimental

[spare socket]

I think it mostly feels that way coming from DS1

DS1 was extremely unique

[warm osprey]

true

[spare socket]

DS2 can't be because of DS1

[warm osprey]

but also the mood and atmosphere are definitely different and are a major contributing factors

[spare socket]

But i do agree the game's vibes are different

for sure

[warm osprey]

in DS1 everything was unknown not only to you the player but also all the characters

[spare socket]

also i really dislike the ship following you around

i like the far from home feeling DS1 gave you

[warm osprey]

now they are all acting accordingly, like most of the significant mysteries were figured out

which actually were in DS1 so it's appropriate

but the shift is major

[spare socket]

I mean the game still heavily leans into mysteries

they're just not as compelling

imo anyway

[warm osprey]

yes, but in DS1 the mysteries were more existentially threatening

like how to fckin "kill" BTs

[spare socket]

yea the world building in DS1 is second to none

I respect the tonal shift tho

[warm osprey]

I think the sequel to DS was not originally planned when they were making the game

[spare socket]

I don't think a ds1-2 would've worked

[warm osprey]

so they did the best they could to continue the story

after the first game being successful

[spare socket]

maybe yea

[warm osprey]

they did a good job

[spare socket]

what's wild to me is

[warm osprey]

yeah, but it still makes me appreciate DS1 even more

[spare socket]

Bro built a whole studio and shipped absolute peak in 4 years

that just doesn't happen anymore

[warm osprey]

I 100% that game in two weeks, with over 100 hours on count

it kept me awake at night lol

[spare socket]

and an entirely new experience at that

fully fledged, complete launch

with a bazillion hours of motion capture and cutscenes

[wet rivet]

dlc yes, main game is pretty good from what I recall

[spare socket]

I argued this as well

but it's not the case

Big parts of Saga's sections are very limited

they were doing 500-600 peak with 1000 set

🤷‍♂️

[wet rivet]

oh ya i don't mind that

if it looks good to me i like it

[spare socket]

Fair, I don't really know how it would scale down to TB 400

[spare socket]

same

[wet rivet]

I played it on a 1000 nit TV

[spare socket]

AW2 looks great

[wet rivet]

control resonant I'm sure will have lots of dimmer areas

[true urchin]

the limited highlights in safe rooms in alan's sections comes to mind immediately

just looked wrong

[spare socket]

are these limited tho?

[true urchin]

they definitely were, it'd clip at like 400 nits and you could even see a transition from a higher peak when entering the area with a flashlight

(unless that got fixed, i played on release)

[spare socket]

from what I tested a month or so ago, they reach peak when you're outside the safe zone and the game does some exposure adjusment (or something similar) when you enter the safe zone dropping them to like 700 nits instead of 1k

[true urchin]

i'm sure it was simply a limited lut there

[spare socket]

probably

[wet rivet]

hopefully the switch to real time grading in control resonant instead of luts

[true urchin]

doubt it

[wet rivet]

riperoni

[short charm]

Well, i just tried DS2. It's buttery smooth. I play only with Reshade + RenoDX. No other fix. RTX 4080 + i7 12700, rebar, DLSS K, FG, vsync in nvapp, everything at max except no RT

[fluid glade]

does the latest lyall fix nightly work for anyone?

my audio is out of sync no matter what I lock my fps to

🙁

[covert hawk]

Huh

Don't think I've heard anyone have audio issues with this so far

[signal pine]

Same here on Ferrum stack, no problems

(32bit, 196khz)

[fluid glade]

I'm talking about the one that unlocks cutscene framerates

to fix judder

This one https://codeberg.org/Lyall/DeathStranding2Fix/issues/1#issuecomment-11948601

[normal sleet]

I have audio issues as well

[covert hawk]

Ah

It's a known issue

People are reporting it on that page

https://codeberg.org/Lyall/DeathStranding2Fix/issues/1#issuecomment-11996979

[fluid glade]

yea I saw people saying it was working for them at certain framerates

hopefully they can get this sorted

would be awesome

[waxen horizon]

I've only just started, but so far it feels absolutely the same, and by that I mean nothing improved and no more Monster.

Higgs in trailer was sick though, can't wait.

Bosses in DS1 were a joke, hope it's better in that regard.

[fluid glade]

it's more of a cinematic experience

[wet rivet]

opening is better

[fluid glade]

probably depends on the difficulty though

[wet rivet]

playing on brutal and it feels like I have to be more deliberate

enemy interactions I'm enjoying more in general

[normal sleet]

Yeah fire is pretty busted atm
hue correction 30/hue correction 100/vanilla

[split cosmos]

musa what difficulty shall I play ds1 in

[wet rivet]

hard

[wet rivet]

how is hue shift and correction both at 0

[split cosmos]

say less

[fluid glade]

it's better but still blown out compared to vanilla

[wet rivet]

try hue correction and shift both at 100 with this

[wet rivet]

sdr looks best here

[wet rivet]

make a save here

[normal sleet]

yeaaaah a bit late for that sorry, it's the kangaroo mission if that helps, don't know if I can replay it in any way atm

[wet rivet]

how far into the game

[normal sleet]

I've played around 10 hours, but i'm speeding throung a lot of stuff so maybe farther than most

[wet rivet]

oof

when is that fireworks section

[normal sleet]

dunno I'm not there yet

[wet rivet]

fuck

whats the earliest point in the game with fires

[normal sleet]

the kangaroo mission is right after you meet the asian girl, can't be more specific because spoilers

[wet rivet]

just gonna have to actually play the game

[fringe harness]

i can show you the firework scene

if you want

[wet rivet]

ye that would be good

[wet rivet]

with this build

both hue correction and shift at 0

vs both at 100

[fringe harness]

ok

[normal sleet]

wait the game saved automatically, i got the fire king, lemme see if I can get you some screenshots

[fringe harness]

100 / 0

[wet rivet]

0 def looks good

are there fires in that scene

[fringe harness]

ye

give me a sec

100 / 0

[wet rivet]

take hdr png

reshade has it

with printscreen

you can change the folder it saves in the reshade settings tab

[wet rivet]

oh ye this was also sdr jpg so the tonemapping applied to the jpg is changing it

actually can you send the save file, I'll just go full autist and tweak it a bunch

[fringe harness]

its the vr thing in the game that lets you come here to practice

but you unlock it later in the game

[wet rivet]

ya

barely made it into the game

[fringe harness]

where can i find the save file

?

[wet rivet]

%USERPROFILE%\Documents\DEATH STRANDING 2 - ON THE BEACH\

[fringe harness]

ill dm u

[normal sleet]

these ones are better

[knotty bobcat]

can anyone tell me whats the consensus on ray tracing in this game, is it worth using both AO and Reflections Ray tracing?

[normal sleet]

It's pretty meh, almost unnoticible in most situations, reflections I guess are a bit more obvious but are also super noisy and smeary

Personally I use AO and reflection(high) but just because i have the hardware to do so, if you need performance I would absolutely disable them, you won't lose much

[thin abyss]

What are some games that do this

[normal sleet]

The game was carefully designed without raytracing in mind and it's still beautiful without it, with all the artifacts of raytracing one might even say that no ray tracing is the cleaner, intended look

[fluid glade]

I think it's actually the mission after the kangaroo

[wet rivet]

ue

ass creed

well ue unless the developers use the legacy color grading luts which don't even work in hdr

[normal sleet]

Well shit, I stopped playing at the absolute worst time lmao

[thin abyss]

Ahh alright

[fluid glade]

I'm gonna go build some roads until lyall hopefully fixes cutscenes lmao

[knotty bobcat]

ah i see, thanks, kinda disappointing tho. ig ill play around w frame gen and dlss to see if my pc can handle it, if not ill turn it off

[normal sleet]

yeah tbh it just feels like a tacked on feature to try and sell the pc port, pretty lame

[fluid glade]

to be fair though the game just looks so amazing already

but yea the AO on foliage kinda sucks / is non existent

would've been a cool improvement but it doesn't seem to do much

[normal sleet]

Oh yeah for sure, it looks incredible, but it's disappointing that they wasted dev time on such a poor implementation instead of fixing the many problem of this port

I would have taken a port with zero ray tracing but with no stutter any day

[fluid glade]

oh definitely yea

yea the stutters in cutscenes are extremely annoying

somethings really messed up there

I don't have any issues otherwise

[normal sleet]

For me the cutscenes play just fine at 60, some small stutter sometimes on scene change but very rare, it's the camera panning microstutter and fucked up vrr in general that is driving me insane, I've been playing at 60fps vsync so far because I can't stand the costant shift in fps with cutscenes and of course the panning stutter

[fluid glade]

oh yea I turned off VRR and went with 120fps with framegen

cutscenes are fine except for the stutters

but yea proper VRR would be nicer

[knotty bobcat]

whats the issue with VRR, does it cause stutters?

[normal sleet]

how do you set up frame gen with no vrr?

[normal sleet]

If I unlock the the framerate there's constant microstutter

[knotty bobcat]

damn

thanks nixxes

[warm osprey]

I disabled them because it looks worse when they are enabled

ray counts are silly low, constant boiling

without Nvidia Ray Reconstruction in this game RT hurts picture more than improves it

even ignoring performance, just bad looking RT, worst example

[normal sleet]

Also the game in some areas is insanely demanding, I usually average 100fps fully maxxed but there was a mission when you have to deliver a rifle and go through a BT zone and I saw my fps go into the 40s

No idea if my game was bugging out or what

[wet rivet]

RTAO had boiling so I turned it off

[radiant light]

hmm i wonder if my 3200mhz ram and pcie 3.0 mobo are why this game doesnt run as well as nice as it does on console for me

[wet rivet]

Also people said reflections very high was really heavy

[radiant light]

it runs decent, more fps than console most of the time but its not consistent

i wonder if a gen4 board would affect my 4080s perf much in this game, and i cant imagine my 5800x3d is bottlenecking anything

[wet rivet]

So I’m on rt reflections high and no RTAO, rest max, DLSS 4k dynamic res with 3x fg targeting 180fps

[radiant light]

did u turn tips off?

[wet rivet]

No

[radiant light]

idk if thats just a myth or if it acc does anything

[wet rivet]

Haven’t tested

But so far it’s been ok enough

[normal sleet]

How do you target specific framerates with framegen?

[radiant light]

do u get camera stutter/traversal stutter, like with cutscene transitions or fast movement

[wet rivet]

Dynamic res has a framerate target

[wet rivet]

Idk cutscenes seemed fine enough

But I try not to focus too much on fps

Game didn’t feel super smooth though

Just felt fine

[radiant light]

yeah, i booted it up on my ps5 side by side with my PC to compare

PS5 at 60fps and PC at 70-80fps, the PS5 felt way smoother, more fluid, and just overall better

i rly dont know what magic they do on console to make it so nice

i guess just super consistent frame times? but idk why windows couldnt do the same thing

[wet rivet]

Maybe some texture streaming shit

Directstorage shenanigans

[spare socket]

game's running basicaly flawless for me

there is some camera stutter tho

[radiant light]

i suppose, but ive even noticed it in other games that shouldnt rely on DS like ps4 games

[spare socket]

but that was also on ps5 at launch

[radiant light]

gow 2018 at 60fps on console feels smoother than 70fps on pc, weird af

consoles def have something special to make them feel so smooth

[spare socket]

consoles do triple buffering vsync

[radiant light]

yeah but i do that on pc too

[spare socket]

input response in the gutter

[radiant light]

actually idk if i have triple buffering on globally

yeah but for controller games thats not a big deal anyways, especially above 60fps

i use triple buffering in rdr2 and its nice

i also somehow gain 20-30fps when i enable it??? (not in ds2, other games)

i suppose that might be normal but it seems weird af

[rotund salmon]

someone posted this here earlier

[rotund salmon]

so maybe?

@wet rivet did someone already give you bushfire valley and firework scene saves? I've got both

[wet rivet]

Ya

[split cosmos]

musa so cool

[radiant light]

hmm, i wonder if its a bigger or smaller difference from 3.0 to 4.0

[split cosmos]

holy glaze

[normal sleet]

this is vrr unlocked framerate, it's a 120fps video, should be a good representation of the stutter I see

[earnest shoal]

which dlss model? I'm using M with performance and rt high has very noticeable noise

[wet rivet]

That was with default

[earnest shoal]

ah think thats K maybe ill give it a go

[wet rivet]

Saw boiling on foliage

[earnest shoal]

yeah, maybe I'll try with L but its so heavy compared to K/M

[spare socket]

fwiw

the fire there looks slightly different than the fire in the forest

like in the fireworks section reno fire looks much closer to vanilla compared to the forest

[normal sleet]

I guess in some scenes rt reflections do change the look quite a bit

[earnest shoal]

How do you change settings while seeing the gameplay?

[normal sleet]

It's quite janky, basically you can't normally do it because everytime you enter the menu Sam does the thumbs up thing so it would be pretty useless and the game itself even prevent u to hide the UI, but I found out that during cutscenes you can, and the "rest"(hold down square/x) animation counts as a cutscene, so if you do it while he sits down or stand up and the animation plays the game allows you to hide the UI while u change settings, you can do it by pressing the touchpad on the dualsense, don't know on keyboard or other controllers what button that might be

some more for shit and giggles, might be useful to some, no rt vs full rt

Outdoors it's very hard to notice a difference tho

Just rt AO

[shadow wave]

is this new build? @wet rivet

[glass sage]

L cleaned the noise up for me almost completely. I wasn't even going to play until I switched to L.

[shadow wave]

yea still hue shift and correction both at 0 for me in this build. I just tested with fires and firesworks via VR

[normal sleet]

Imo still doesn't look quite as good as vanilla, still a touch too pink

[covert hawk]

thought the same thing about rtao, but then later in the game theres more ground vegetation and it actually had a similar amount of noise at least for me

turned it back on after that

on dense geometry as well there was a lot of noise

in some of the rockier sections

[wet rivet]

It’s a candidate for new build

[covert hawk]

i just switched to preset L and it got rid of the noise

[glass sage]

I had that as well, are you using preset L? That cleared up all the noise for me, almost.

nvm

I shoulda kept reading lol

[shadow wave]

even wiith RT?

[glass sage]

Yes

I have every setting maxed, including RT.

only time I see noise now is when entering a terminal at some spots, you'll see the RT noise for a second then it clears up.

[rotund salmon]

"fireworks scene" comparison, can't export PS5 screenshots in HDR, unfortunately

PS5 Pro / PC (using the WIP Reno build with 0 shift/correction)

[glass sage]

That's the scene I'm waiting for in my run. It was jaw dropping on the pro.

[thin nest]

man this looks crazy

[normal sleet]

This shit's peak yo

[covert hawk]

It's much wilder seeing it in person running in real time

[thin nest]

i bet

[covert hawk]

Could say that about a lot of the cutscenes though

[thin nest]

ill have to play ds1 first though

[normal sleet]

the boss arena for this zone is quite insane as well, it was made for HDR

[shadow wave]

Better than washout in vanilla hdr.

[spare socket]

Preset K

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[normal sleet]

I don’t like over sharpening, sue me

[crisp notch]

lmao for realsies, how the fuck did (checks notes) making the extremely financially irresponsible decision to build a disgustingly priced top of the line PC a few years ago turn into the best investment ive ever made?? 🙃 🤣 😭

[fluid glade]

dude I even have 64gb of RAM lying around as a backup

it's basically worth a monitor now

a nice oled monitor

looks like asus is selling off the OLED PG27UCDM in my country in preperation for their new tandem oled model

[spare socket]

me neither

[stray hamlet]

Preset M completely shit itself with the sparks in that sequence fwiw

I also swapped from m perf to k balanced there

[thin abyss]

Damn okay

[stray hamlet]

Maybe would have fared better with higher input res than 720p, or preset L, but I don't have the system overhead to try either of them

[rotund salmon]

if it's the same thing that I saw, then yeah, L handles it fine compared to M

M / L

[spare socket]

I used preset L performance

looked fantastic

M does seem to have some issues

[stray hamlet]

It was like blending all the sparks together instead of keeping them separate

[spare socket]

especially with motion blur

[rotund salmon]

yeah, exactly that. You can see it on the tallest bit of those screenshots

[spare socket]

it's a little odd tbh

since M usually handles particles better than L

or any other preset

guess it really doesn't like those specifically

[spare socket]

now do K

[stray hamlet]

I know they added a way to replay that sequence but I don't think I have it unlocked yet

[wet rivet]

you can use photo mode to pause the game for cleaner comparison images

[rotund salmon]

it doesn't have the same issue when it's not in motion

[shadow wave]

Preset L for me

[normal sleet]

Preset L and have an overall oversharpened image and 20 less fps? nah dawg miss me with that shit

[stray hamlet]

feel like they really dont oversharpen when you use them at their intended render scales

i could just need new glasses though

they do however get absurdly expensive as you take the scale higher and higher which the older presets dont do

[shadow wave]

not to me, M is. Im using L on DLAA at 4K.

[rotund salmon]

these are all L at performance (@ 5160x2160)

[shadow wave]

Wooohoooooo!

[stray hamlet]

if you have a 5090 sure you can just tank the hit lol

[shadow wave]

Yea I do

[unkempt jacinth]

why would you use L with DLAA, i think dldsr or opticaler makes more sense

[shadow wave]

is DLDSR worth it on 4k?

[stray hamlet]

on say a 4070ti M dlaa would just wipe out like 40fps vs K, it's very heavy and L is even heavier

[unkempt jacinth]

at performance of course

[stray hamlet]

and they dont even look that different at scales like that to boot

[fluid glade]

absolutely

[stray hamlet]

basically i think nvidias recommendations as-is are fairly smart though you have some wiggle room at say balanced and quality

[unkempt jacinth]

yeah should get better AA + higher base render resolution

[fluid glade]

provided you have a bit performance to spare

[shadow wave]

It is heavier than DLAA?

[unkempt jacinth]

if you use performance L i think it should balance it out

there is also optiscaler

[shadow wave]

what would be output resolution for this setup?

[unkempt jacinth]

half the resolution of the dldsr you choose
also make sure smoothness slider is at 100%

[shadow wave]

Thanks, I will try

[spare socket]

dunno where you see oversharpening

maybe it looks different with 1440p output res

[crystal ravine]

what about Ultra Performance?

[shadow wave]

how do I verify if DLDSR is working? Seems its not - I am seeing the same performance without it.

[fluid glade]

you have to set your game to that resolution

[shadow wave]

oh i see, should be exlusive fullscreen to use this

[fluid glade]

either that or you set your desktop resolution to the DLDSR resolution

and run the game in windowed fullscreen

you still have to make sure it's the correct resolution in-game

if you are playing on a 4k monitor/tv I would try 5120 x 2880 at DLSS performance

[shadow wave]

Preset L:

DLAA native 4K = 80fps
DLDSR + DLAA = 50fps
DLDSR + Quality = 85fps

[fluid glade]

oh yeah that DLDSR at quality looks good

less aliased

[shadow wave]

what is the internal render resolution for this?

[fluid glade]

it should be the same as DLSS quality at 4k

so 1440p internal render res

if you have more performance to spare go higher of course

but DLDSR with DLSS performance already looks really good and performs very well imo

[shadow wave]

But upscaling it to higher resolution than 4k, then supersampling it back to 4k? Am I understanding it correctly

[fluid glade]

yea, but it will still look sharper/less aliased

[spare socket]

I dont think this is true

Should be 67% of output res

[shadow wave]

what do you call this resolution tho? 6k? lol

[spare socket]

So of 2880p in this case

[fluid glade]

5k

[shadow wave]

4K is obsolete lol

[fluid glade]

DLSS performance from 5120 x 2880 is 1440p

pretty sure

[spare socket]

Sure

But dlss performance at 4k is 1080p

[fluid glade]

yea dlss quality at 4k is 1440p

[spare socket]

Oh i think i mightve misread

[fluid glade]

dlss performance at 5k is 1440p

[spare socket]

Ya all g

I misunderstood your sentence

[fluid glade]

no worries

[spare socket]

Optiscaler output res scaling does keep the same render resolution

Regardless of output res

[normal sleet]

Call me crazy but K to me looks sooooo much cleaner than L, just look at the shelter at the center of the image and how much more aliasing it has on the highlights, and it also is more unstanble which doesn't show up in screenshots, even standing completely still in photo mode the highlights constantly shimmer in L, but they remain stable in K
L/K

[fluid glade]

L is definitely more aliased

but highlights looks waaay better

so I personally prefer L

[shadow wave]

@fluid glade do you recommend setting windows resolution at 5k? whats the pros and cons

[fluid glade]

I think generally it's best to be able to run games in windowed fullscreen mode instead of exclusive, don't ask me for the exact technical reason

[fluid glade]

but I wouldn't leave my windows permanently at that resolution since it seems a bit blurry in other apps and stuff

I only switch for games that I want to run at DLDSR

[spare socket]

ya L is more aliased

[fluid glade]

then switch back

[spare socket]

it's not quite as bad on higher resolutions tho

and it certainly isn't oversharpened

[normal sleet]

I can't stand aliasing of any kind, imo it breaks the image and ruins the illusion too much, the smoothness of K gives that CGI/real footage quality to the image that I love

[shadow wave]

Yea seems about blurry

[shadow wave]

I'll copy this strategy

[normal sleet]

I mean to me it is 🤷‍♂️ It's not super obvious in my example but I've tried L in many games and the final image always had that crunchy sharpened look compared to K

[spare socket]

it heavily depends on the game keep in mind

some have forced sharpening and the new models really bring that out

they look horrible in those instances

[shadow wave]

Preset L:

DLDSR + DLSS Performance mode

[spare socket]

Also in DS2 i was testing K a bit as well, and while it is more stable in motion than L, it's extremely minor, and it overaverages any small highlight, not to mention a bunch of particles that just don't exist with K

also volumetrics ghosting

yuk

[shadow wave]

this looks sooo good. Thanks, guys

[fluid glade]

also DLDSR + DLSS with preset L smooths out the edges just enough so it's no aliased and very sharp

[fluid glade]

btw if you're using reshade, which I assume you do since you're on the server, you can use reshade to make screenshots

it will create HDR pngs

you can view them in Chrome or Edge to see HDR

[glass sage]

That's "better", I meant ultimate anyway, just misspoke.

[crystal ravine]

hmm I changed it to balanced a while ago after reading x3D's do better on it

but might just switch back

[fluid glade]

I think this is for 9950X3D since it has different core/architecture

[crystal ravine]

ah idk I'm using a 7800x3D

[rotund salmon]

I just leave it on balanced and make sure to always toggle "remember this is a game" via game bar to enable game mode

[unique pulsar]

That's your standard 5K res.

[fluid glade]

yea that doesn't concern you then

[crystal ravine]

I think I just got game mode running 24/7 lol

[crystal ravine]

I see I see

[unique pulsar]

But what if he wants to be concerned

[crystal ravine]

shit ur right

[fluid glade]

lmao

[normal sleet]

L has CRAZY shimmering in some scenes, it’s insanely distracting to me, I have no idea how this doesn’t bother you guys
K/L DLAA

[rotund salmon]

you enable the feature via system settings, but it's toggled on/off as a per game thing and most new releases aren't automatically added to the games that enable it for a while, so you need to do it manually via game bar

[crystal ravine]

goddamn that's how my the outside part at the start of resident evil requiem looked for me with dlss on

[spare socket]

didn't even really notice this 🤷‍♂️, maybe I overlooked it

maybe something's cooked on your end

idk

[fluid glade]

resident evil requiem had crazy shimmering with preset L

[shadow wave]

Yea I do. Will try that

[normal sleet]

Just preset L, didn't do anything fancy with it 🤷‍♂️

[crystal ravine]

I just have game mode toggled to on in system settings and not like, some auto detect thing I guess?

[spare socket]

you might like the magic downscaler in optiscaler

cleans up aliasing quite well

but softens the image

and is quite heavy

[cold cargo]

what does that even do

[crystal ravine]

M as well but only on that first part of the game really, as soon as you head inside it was fine

[normal sleet]

I doubt it cleans up the shimmer tho, that looks like an intrinsic artefact of the preset, hard to filter out like that

[rotund salmon]

no, that's what I'm saying. The toggle in Windows settings enables the overall feature, but it's always a toggle on/off thing for each individual game

if you Win + G for game bar when in-game, then click the cog and go to general, you'll see "remember this is a game" isn't enabled for DS2, because it's a new release and isn't yet added to the list of titles automatically

that's the case for nearly all new releases

[crystal ravine]

actually, that toggle is not there for me lol

[rotund salmon]

that's good, if the toggle's missing and you've got it enabled at a system level, then it's been added to the automatically supported list already

just double checking, you're in-game doing that, yeah?

it won't have the option if you're just on your desktop

[light quail]

@wet rivet am I right in assuming defaults are your preferred "by eye" settings? how does purist differ, in an overall sense rather than the specifics?

[crystal ravine]

opened gamebar while the window was focussed on Death Stranding 2 ye

[fluid glade]

basically just the shadows lifted to 75

I mean by default they are lifted a bit because the image is too contrasty otherwise

purist is with shadows at 50(default)

rest should be the same I believe

[wet rivet]

purist = developer intent
defaults = my preference

[fringe harness]

purist is very similar than default no?

[fluid glade]

btw @wet rivet what monitor are you using?

[wet rivet]

samsung g80sd

[fluid glade]

ooh did you do that 1000nits tweak?

[wet rivet]

ya I intend to play fairly close to kojima san's intent

[wet rivet]

no just tb400

[fluid glade]

ok you're happy with that peak brightness?

[wet rivet]

ya

I play at 100 game brightness at night

[crystal ravine]

I feel like the one setting that actually feels like destroying the devs intent would be to move the LUT Strength slider that I've seen some people recommend

[wet rivet]

ya the tonemapper only really compresses highlights so all the actual grading is in the LUT

[light quail]

thanx thought so 🙂

[crystal ravine]

ye moving the slider completely changed the way the game looks but I saw someone online recommend sliding it all the way down to achieve perfect black and stuff lol

[cold cargo]

It would be nice if more devs designed games to be more night like at night. I was always bothered by how bright night is especially in Skyrim

[wet rivet]

updated

[stray hamlet]

it's usually just fucking annoying to play with actual dark nights

[crystal ravine]

the average casual will complain they can't see anything if the default night time was super dark I feel

[wet rivet]

I prefer decent visibility

never really cared for super dark nights

[stray hamlet]

its nice for specific games going for like a horror vibe

[wet rivet]

ya

[crystal ravine]

the game still has to be playable

[wet rivet]

outside of horror, if it looks good then that's what matters

[crystal ravine]

like, it's cool and all that that one fight in game of thrones at night was realistic and we couldn't see anything in the dark, but we still missed the entire fight

damn literally just relaunched my game right before the update lol

[normal sleet]

I can't stop taking screenshots of this scene

[spare socket]

where blowout, highlight saturation sliders

[wet rivet]

i'll add them later

[glass sage]

Everyone and everywhere suggests balanced, but I SWEAR it runs worse.

[spare socket]

Okay to the wilder difficulty can be pretty rough

Getting farmed by clankers

[crystal ravine]

I went with whatever the normal difficulty is and it kinda feels stupid easy so I wonder what to the wilder is like lmao

the human enemies feel kinda lame when using a mouse, they all immediately go down with 1 bullet

[glass sage]

DS2 is a lot easier than 1

They give you vehicles really early and it's real tempting to use them, but it makes the whole game much easier.

Still took me 80 hours to beat on Playstation

[crystal ravine]

ye I'm just chilling going around building some roads

[glass sage]

It's a perfect gameplay loop for me, I fucking love these games.

[crystal ravine]

but combat wise there's not much of a challenge so far

[spare socket]

it's a lot more difficult than brutal that's for sure

2nd boss one shots

lol

[glass sage]

Yeah they also give you a lot more tools to use this time so combat also becomes easier.

[spare socket]

but the game is still relatively easy

at least it does feel a lot more on par with ds1 on ttw

[crystal ravine]

I might switch switch to brutal at least

[normal sleet]

Is the "high performance" under power plan in project lasso? If so I just tried it, did nothing for me, stutter is exactly the same, 9800x3d here

[thorny badger]

pls pin

[wet rivet]

the main post is pinned

has the nexus link

[thorny badger]

I think the previous version was pinned

unless I'm stupid and there was the same nexus link anyway

[normal sleet]

The nexus link is always the same, Musa updates the file on nexus itself

[wet rivet]

ya nexus page is always updated

[thorny badger]

I get it, but I really believe this is what was pinned before, and the link in that post points to that specific older version: #1478565961207644231 message 🙂

but now its fine, thanks

[wet rivet]

that links to the latest version

its always the latest version

thats just the files tab

nexus cdn is shit so the mod page sometimes doesn't update immediately for everyone

[thorny badger]

ah I didn't know that

[unique pulsar]

You should always keep the desktop in native, and then adjust the in-game one as needed, with borderless.

Which monitor btw?

[covert hawk]

It's Bitsum Highest Performance

[unique pulsar]

bruh

your name lmao

[covert hawk]

Process lasso adds it to the system power plan settings

Lol

[unique pulsar]

Peak.

[covert hawk]

LMAO

[covert hawk]

It might only affect dual ccd CPUs though

I'm on a 9950x3d and the improvement was dramatic

[fluid glade]

death stranding doesn't allow windowed fullscreen to be changed to DLDSR res though

[unique pulsar]

RIP

rekt

[fluid glade]

actually a lot of games don't allow that

[unique pulsar]

Wait

[fluid glade]

that's why changing desktop res is usually easiest

[unique pulsar]

That's DLDSR, and not a native 5K panel?

[fluid glade]

yea DLDSR

[unique pulsar]

Oh

it is

Aorus FO32U2P

duh

nvm then lol

Shouldn't DLDSR be applied to the game itself, instead of desktop?

[fluid glade]

if the game supports windowed fullscreen dldsr yes

but it doesn't

[unique pulsar]

ripperoni

[unkempt jacinth]

in some cases where you are able to set dldsr in borderless without setting it in windows you will get horrible stutter

[fluid glade]

yea

[unkempt jacinth]

and vice versa too

[unique pulsar]

Does SK help with this?

[fluid glade]

I think SK and also display commander both set the desktop resolution to the DLDSR res actually

and when you leave the game they swtich it back to native

sometimes when it's buggy it stays in DLDSR mode though

[unique pulsar]

Every ALT+TAB gonna go crazy then, huh?

[fluid glade]

nah it just stays in DLDSR mode until you close the game

but yea it's prone to bugs

I just do it manually

[unique pulsar]

That's not bad then.

Yeah

welp

[fluid glade]

i hope we get a native 5120 x 2880 res oled monitor at some point

that should look really good with DLSS

[unique pulsar]

New Apple display is 5K, lowkey might get it, might not.

But miniLED, though.

I think for PC stuff, though.

I'd rather go 4K240 instead anyway

When TVs go 240Hz, that is.

[fluid glade]

I'll probably get the new Asus 27'' 4k240hz tandem oled

[unique pulsar]

ProArt?

Oh wait

Tandem

nvm

ASUS has a really nice ProArt QD-OLED that does 240Hz.

[fluid glade]

it's supposed to release somewhere in late Q2/Q3

[normal sleet]

Apple has basically been the only one on the market making 5k monitors, and not even they are doing 5k oleds, yet at least, but if that's the trend it's gonna be a loooong wait if you want non Apple 5k oleds

[unique pulsar]

Much pricier, though.

Comes in 27" and 32"

32" is available, 27" releases end of this month. The refreshes for this year.

They're for creators, but you can easily game on it, too.

[fluid glade]

yea I don't expect it soon 🙁

[unique pulsar]

There's a couple of 5K miniLEDs coming later this year as well supposedly using same panel as Studio Display XDR, but not 100% sure on details.

Just read it in passing.

One is LG, and another is Hisense, I think?

• Dual Mode Refresh Rate (5K 165Hz – QHD 330HZ)

Real nice.

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Reviews of the new studio XDR say that it's pretty fucking incredible, only minor blooming and since it's mini led and not oled you get blasted with full brightness with basically no automatic dimming

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Yeah, there isn't anything on market that competes with it.

And it's a great near-reference panel for work.

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I can't go with non-oled ever again

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if I really HAD to, I wouldn't mind. But it'd highly depend on for what usage, and from where.

Like TCL miniLED I've been using is fine for games and movies, but horrible for desktop.

Apple's miniLED is solid for desktop, too.

My MBP panel is so fucking gorgeous.

But I have no reason not to do OLED unless it's for HDR grading work.

Or if I wanna spend $10k for Flanders, of course.

or $20-30k for Sony.

Read: ||I don't.||

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yea IDK I don't want eye searing brightness I'd rather just have 1000 nits in highlights and perfect blacks around it

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Yeah

Same

I'm fine with 1-2k brightness and anything above that is overkill.

I have 3k nits rn on my TCL

At 85", you can imagine how insane that can go.

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lmao

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And even in SDR at 200nits even, the shows can get blinding sometimes.

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like staring at the sun

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Yeah, it's literally not a fun thing, don't really care for brightness anymore.

C/G series from LG is adequate enough for a while for me. I just want them to keep improving other aspects now.

Gradients, colours, near black performance, higher refresh rate, processing, et al.

But 'moar brightness' sells, so we'll keep getting focus on that instead.

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I just want monitor's to finally catch up lol

though it seems tandem oleds are getting close now

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I left them behind, bruh. Fuck monitors, lmao.

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I want a proper monitor for my desk

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Unless they succeed TVs in performance, idc anymore for general work and gaming.

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LG C5 is nice but it's just not the same

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Grading work, on the other hand, that's a separate story.

But even then LG C/G can be a solid SDR one once you 3D LUT that shit up.

It's only HDR grading that gets super expensive, for that if you want OLED then you gotta go with those $10k and above panels.

Or do Apple display for $3.5k with miniLED, which has shown great results.

MBP miniLED being as gorgeous and great as it is where blooming isn't even an issue, and the new display is even better, so.

Ez dub.

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Basically this.

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where 32inch oled tv

https://tenor.com/view/arms-crossed-pout-tantrum-gif-2957504854124392670

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man

Can't even imagine how cucked that would be lmao

42-48" are cucked as is.

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from half a meter to a meter

id say 32 is pretty nice

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LG's monitors are kinda like that, tbh. They offer monitors with webOS now.

Soooo, you get TV features in a monitor.

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Don't care for those tbh

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Very situation dependent, yeah.

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just want the tv performance

I could probably do fine with 42

but those are not a whole lot better than monitors

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They're better, but monitors have worked to shrink that gap with 42" now, yeah.

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yea it's small

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If you don't want that giant screen, then no benefit.

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they're 750 nits peak

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For me, the distance is more so that ...

For example, I use 48" from 4ft away.

RTINGS recommend 6'6" at that, which is the normal THX/SMPTE recommendaiton.

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that still feels quite large

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That recommendation is based off the FOV.

Horizontal FOV.

So, 30 degrees FOV at 6'6"

At 4ft, I get a 47 degree FOV

It's okay for me.

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6.6 also feels too far for 48

i guess somewhere in the middle would work for me

[unique pulsar]

Well, THX/SMPTE recommendating that RTINGS share is designed for movies, lounging, etc not desktop.

Now ..

If I were to move 65" at my desk setup, to maintain that 47 degree FOV that I have right now?

I would need a distance of about 5.4ft

4.5ft if I move to 55"

My desk is already 4ft deep

I could just wall mount the panel, and move the desk a feet from the wall, put some planters behind the desk so space looks populated.

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that's a big desk

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And now my distance is 5.4ft to the screen, and I can use 65" and maintain same FOV.

aye, I love this desk.

12ft wide, 4ft deep.

Was built for these big boi screens.

3x 48" or 3x 55"

Can accommodate them both

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yea tvs make sense with that setup

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You should look at the FOV number, see what feels good to you. A good blend of immersion, and desktop usage.

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can't select the DSR reso in-game without going exclusive fullscreen. Hate being on fullscreen due to alt-tab being slow

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Like you don't wanna move your head around like a maniac while trying to open folders, ya knw?

[shadow wave]

FO32U2P

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So, you need to find a good balance.

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it depends what i do really

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yes, yes. Sorry, ignore what I said 😄

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i lean back when im browsing stuff

and sit closer when gaming

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Right

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since most important stuff is in the middle of the screen

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So, you figure out the FOV that blends both use cases well.

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that variance becomes lower and lower with a larger screen tho

so yea

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And then you figure out how you can acommodate that with what distance from the wall (if you wall mount the TV).

If your setup is desk against a wall, it gives you some freedom to adjust this, so long as you have space behind your chair.

0.5-1ft alone can make a huge difference in how large you can go in screen size for instance.

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for sure

and I have the room

but probably only till like 48"

which lands me in g5 territory i suppose

but thats also not the full fledged g5

so meh

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I have a 90cm desk and my LG C5 still feels a bit too big

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Right

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at 42''

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But that also takes you closer to 55" which is SIGNIFICANTLY better than 48" XDDDDDD

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I'd also rather sit closer and have a smaller screen lol

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Like maybe just add half a feet more and get a display that has virtually no compromises cause of size.

But again ..

All of this is very very dependent on one's setup, and preferences.

No right or wrong rule, so long as you understand what you'll be getting.

My recommendation is to calculate your FOV instead of just distance.

That will give you the best idea.

Cause if you are happy with 45 FOV, now you only have to caluclate the distance required to maintain that FOV at 55" or 65"

or 48" or 42" or w/e, ya knw.

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yea most people seem fine with 42'' but they have smaller desks even than mine

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Yeah

Personally? I will agree there are a lot of psychos among us

But if it works for them, it works for them.

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https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

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I think many would call my 4ft for 48" too less, too.

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70 fov

is what im doing

apparently

LOL

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inject the monitor

into my eyeballs

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What's your screen size, and your distance to the screen?

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32inch half a meter to a meter i suppose

depends what im doing

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Bruh

that's a huge jump

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ya

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0.5-1m is a huge difference

lmao

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realistically im somewhere in the middle

most of the time

so 50ish fov

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Well, your FOV at half am eter is huge, yeah. 70 FOV is isnane.

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that seems more accurate

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But about 40 FOV at 1 meter is reasonable.

So, yeah.

If 50 seems fine then you're more or less around my setup

But mine is largely consistent.

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ya like i said

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Might change a degree or two, nothing more.

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i like leaning back for desktop stuff

and i like sitting closer for games

🤷‍♂️

[unique pulsar]

Same, I lean back as well but that's not like half the time.

That's sometimes.

So, I don't measure that.

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ya fair

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I measure my standard sitting space.

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but i watch videos and stuff leaned back as well

so its a big part of what i do at the pc generally

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But yeah, you got an idea now at least of what you prefer 'comfortable', now you know that if you get 55" TV, then to match the FOVs

70: 2.8ft
40: 5.6ft

Roughly.

That's the distance you need from a wall.

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ye na 70 seems a bit unrealistic

i dont think im practically ever that close

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Correct