PRAGMATA

[shut dome]

no PT tho

next gen consoles will do PT at 30fps lol

meanwhile we at 120+ today hahaha

at max setttings hahaha

[cyan swift]

Framegen is going to becom a standard on consoles

[ivory stirrup]

Another one of 380 game brightness full ACES posts

Ok look, you clearly have a different opinion how HDR should look. Musa tries to match baseline SDR, which is what HDR is (it's SDR+) it shouldn't be "different" and "contrasty". That's just you liking that look and that's ok, tweak to your liking it's why the options are there

[urban creek]

Only because the game doesn't utilize the full potential of pc power on purpose. They can't make it that much better looking compared to their precious console. Would cause people to buy less ps5's and hurt their sales. I am certain that when cranked up we would be all sweating with our rigs just like back in Crysis times ...

[shut dome]

oh for sure, consoles always holding back

people complaining about the series s

[cyan swift]

I have 380 because Im playing from 77 inch tv from 3 meters away on enviroment with windows

[shut dome]

the entire console system holds thingns back lol

[urban creek]

Series S is cancer for the gaming community .

glorified retro box

[pearl raptor]

Hmm.. Does this mod allow to remove chromatic aberration ?

[ivory stirrup]

Pro doesn't have any boiling tho - and doesn't need RR or preset E for that, which is interesting

And texture reconstruction is pixel perfect, including the hairs

[arctic glen]

it doesnt use PT does it, RR isnt used for RT

[steep trench]

it is already in game setting

[ivory stirrup]

That's the thing if you don't turn on PT/RT on pc it boils like ass

[pearl raptor]

Thx, it wasnt in demo previously

[arctic glen]

does the pro use RT

[ivory stirrup]

But PS5Pro somehow with it's PISSR SHITR fixed it

Yes all consoles come with RT (except S?)

But they all boil badly of course

[urban creek]

PISSR SHITR

[civic juniper]

PS5/XSX in their framerate mode don't use RT

[ivory stirrup]

Only pro actually looks... Clean?

[civic juniper]

Pro boils too

[arctic glen]

so I dont understand your last statement about needing to turn on RT/PT

[civic juniper]

and massive denoising issues on reflections

[urban creek]

same on pc

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah there was some around character moving a little bit but it's mostly clean on stable surfaces

And reflections are bad compared to pc indeed

[ivory stirrup]

I meant RR with PT. Without it everything is boiling

[tame jewel]

Man nvidia really needs to update Ray Reconstruction, it looks like ass compared to trasformer model

[arctic glen]

PT only runs with RR

[civic juniper]

RR is already transformer

[arctic glen]

its the only denoiser

[ivory stirrup]

That's why without it is so bad.. why can't we use RR without PT?

[shut dome]

for the love of god turn off bloom and lens flare

[tame jewel]

it is? Why does it look so blurry compared to dlss then?

[shut dome]

that will make the game so much clearer

[civic juniper]

D and E are, yes

[ivory stirrup]

Because that's what RR does. It's another TAA 2.0

[tame jewel]

So E is less blurry?

[arctic glen]

RR is inferring almost 30 samples of information per sample of RT/PT information

[ivory stirrup]

E is less boily to me, which matters more than anything else

Image stability for me is 100x more important nothing else matters

[dusk oyster]

I took side by sides and D was sharper to me, using ICAT to compare. I haven't tested in motion, but I hear E has less boiling

[arctic glen]

D is unplayable

boiling everywhere

[tame jewel]

Isn't E the default preset?

[ivory stirrup]

No

[arctic glen]

D is

[dusk oyster]

D is the default .

[tame jewel]

Oh ok

[ivory stirrup]

Game looks incredible with E I have no complaints

[arctic glen]

RR upscaling is still based on DLSS 4.0 and it still remains the only PT capable denoiser used by any game

so, until games can render more samples in real time, and potentially we get higher quality upscaling in RR

🤷

[urban creek]

just force it in nvpi-r

[ivory stirrup]

How did you get nvpi in dark mode?

[urban creek]

nvpi-r

[shut dome]

https://www.nexusmods.com/pragmata/mods/47

@bronze ether

[dusk oyster]

Left is D, Right is E
D is quite a bit sharper, but yea... E has way less boiling in motion.

1920x1080 -> 3840x2160

[shut dome]

have you compared crimson desert with D and E

[dusk oyster]

Don't have the game.

[shut dome]

kk

[urban creek]

go for e aswell

which is default afaik

[shut dome]

yeah I have, just curious others opinions haha

[dusk oyster]

Also, dunno what FG mode this game uses by default... but forcing Preset B completely eliminates all UI ghosting in every game I've tested... assuming it provides UI inputs.

[urban creek]

that is what preset b was built for

[dusk oyster]

Yea, I heard someone mention UI ghosting the other day though... so just wanted to point that out.

I think older games were updated to provide UI inputs, through Streamline maybe? FF7R and Stellar Blade went from UIR Off to UIR On a few days after Preset B officially launched

[ivory stirrup]

can someone actually tell a differnce between 4K ultra and perf?

[dusk oyster]

Perf is going to be a lot more stable, especially in motion

[ivory stirrup]

the only spot i could tell was the hair, sorry for not matching it but can you see it?

[dusk oyster]

It's more difficult to notice in a still image, but in motion it has less time to accumulate

[urban creek]

hair is a tiny bit more sharp on the right side

[dusk oyster]

Ultra Perf is pretty unusable imo

[ivory stirrup]

true except the hair the textures at least look exactly the same to me

[ivory stirrup]

after pixel peeping i can see it now, but honestly? i would take the ultra performance over perf with FG

its such a small difference

[shut dome]

https://www.nexusmods.com/pragmata/mods/30

[dusk oyster]

Methinks that mod would likely be placebo

[feral kindle]

Hmm

[shut dome]

yeah thats where the dlls are

i did it a few days ago, was fine, didnt notice anythign crazy

but whatever, nice to be on the latest

[cinder oyster]

Yes, internal res matters a lot for PT/RR. There's a pretty massive difference between 720p and 1080p in motion

[ivory stirrup]

quite a few good comments on it

and a few that keep saying its poopoo 😅

[prime meteor]

while I agree PT looks stunning, RT looks extremely subpar and it's not even close, compared even to fully rasterized titles like Horizon forbidden west for one

[spiral palm]

Is the latest LUA script pinned anywhere?

[vernal orbit]

Anybody notice that the PT is missing a great many objects in the BVH, at the very least for the direct illumination pass? Is there any fix for this atm?

[pallid imp]

Yup

[tame jewel]

I mean loading is absolutely fine as is, even if this does anything what could it possibily do? Make loading screens 1.8 seconds instead of 2?

[tame jewel]

Yeah it's not perfect, but it's also the most performant PT implementation I've seen, and that is probably why

[urban creek]

yes, sadly #1475553827255222486 message

[south owl]

tweaked rt even wins in some cases vs pt

[frosty gust]

Seems fine if you’re playing in a bright room

I play in a darker room

Anywhere above 150 game brightness is where it starts to get painful to look at

[vernal orbit]

Yikes

I wonder if this can be fixed

[prisma quest]

what changes to RT you make?

[prisma quest]

damn, performance impact roughly what?

the radiance cache alone loses me about 10-15 fps i think. and crashing in some places

[south owl]

kinda scene dependent, but only the 2 RT ratio settings should affect the framerate. ~20% hit tops

[dusk oyster]

That's about how much I gain from enabling it

[prisma quest]

oh it's not an fps gain for me, it costs fps when i enable

[heady karma]

you have scene scale/tile size messed up badly if so, it should be a significant gain

[prisma quest]

didnt touch any other settings besides trying to enable it before. havent tried it again

have tile and scene scale unchecked at defaults from screenshot above, checking use radiance case just in shelter drops me from 159 down to 146fps

[heady karma]

not using PT?

[prisma quest]

no matter where im standing, it drops. no, no PT

sorry no PT, on a 9070 XT

so i only get RT

[heady karma]

makes sense then, most people are using it for a gain in PT

[prisma quest]

so without PT it's a loss but with it's a gain?

[heady karma]

yeah seems so, running the RC would have a fixed cost that I guess outweighs the performance benefit of the cache if you aren't using PT

it's a >10% gain for me with PT, I think that's about the average

[prisma quest]

idk why i didnt think of it that way, makes more sense now

[cyan swift]

Yes I'm also playing 3 meters away from the TV, its just that I noticed that the Aces lower nits and the pre tone map curve options makes the game a little bit washed out in my tv during the brighter scene of the game like the shelter but helps with crushed blacks in darker scenes of the game.

[frosty gust]

Ya you just have to decide how much the tradeoff in contrast / visibility is worth

[frosty gust]

does anyone know what artifacts this guy is talking about

[north spade]

i'm using 2xFG and i haven't seen anything

[urban creek]

fg 3x and i have no clue

[little frigate]

where can i get pragmata tweaks?

[heady karma]

#1475553827255222486 message

[stoic mountain]

Love this game

[little frigate]

do i put it in the re framework folder?

[heady karma]

reframework\autorun

[stoic mountain]

In my region price is $40 its absolutely worth it. Awesome game, awesome graphics and optimization

Much better than re9..

[little frigate]

guessing you have to turn PT off to use the script?

[little frigate]

hey i don't see these settings in mine

[heady karma]

it's under Script Generated UI

[little frigate]

I dont see some of the settings like Enable Specular Res

[cinder oyster]

#1475553827255222486 message

You don't have to turn PT off to use it, but the settings in those screenshot are for regular RT

If you want to use PT then you can just use pragmata tweaks lite

[little frigate]

so the radiance cache is the main thing to enable right

i want to use PT

[cinder oyster]

RT culling angle to 0 as well seems like a free upgrade

[little frigate]

ty

not really seeing much of a difference but performance seems better

[heady karma]

yeah, it can be dead obvious in some scenes, 2.5 vs 0:

[cinder oyster]

Wow

Why is it not the default

[heady karma]

no clue, it typically would only have a CPU impact and I don't think anyone will be struggling with that in this game

no one using PT at least

[little frigate]

What hdr settings do you guys use in reno? i just hit match hdr and call it a day but it's a ltitle dark.

[round flame]

that specific example is because the wall is a tv screen, its intentionally lower res

[dusk oyster]

Match SDR is likely the intended look, Default is probably the most "accurate"

[loud hatch]

Default settings (reset all), and then setting my appropriate peak and game brightness. Also disabled film grain and noise

[loud hatch]

Match SDR is IMO the best looking but you will lose some shadow details. Compare shadowy scenes to match sdr and defaults

[dusk oyster]

A bit yea, but it's probably closest to what the devs saw when designing

[cyan swift]

He probably means the UI artifacts that FG causes with all games that have nothing to do with Renodx

[urban creek]

I found some other place with the same low res jpg background but besides that tv screen of yours, how come the rest of this stuff has no shadows ? Atleast it is not path traced .

[round flame]

There are other TV walls if that's what you're looking at, but yeah some objects lack shadows

If you walk right up to it you can see the checkerboard pixel pattern

[frosty gust]

ya maybe

not sure

[urban creek]

it's sad, looks like an oversight

[urban creek]

Go to the start of area 2 and go right through the tunnel towards NY , standing at the edge look at the right side building and zoom in on the windows . It looks just like the background in the saferoom.

[loud hatch]

Default vs Match SDR

[autumn echo]

Stupid question where do i put this? thank you!

[urban creek]

reframework autorun folder

[autumn echo]

thank you kind soul!

[autumn echo]

what are these thanks

[round flame]

That's a mapping shader like what the insomniac spiderman games do, using some textures to give the illusion of 3d

[autumn echo]

If I press "X" in Reframework it doens't close the tweaks does it? Thanks

[urban creek]

thx for clearing that out, still a bummer though

[autumn echo]

funny emoji

thought it was dumb qquestion but thank you

[round flame]

yeah its in the realm of "youre not really supposed to look at it"

[urban creek]

unlike inside the saferoom but i guess i'M nitpicking here

[round flame]

unfortunately they pull a bridge right next to it

[urban creek]

it's not a big deal but i nthe end it looks completely off like ripped out of another game so to speak when you look at it .

[cinder oyster]

Latest optiscaler commit fixes output scaling in Pragmata if anyone wants to use it

Preset D still has too much boiling even with output scaling, I still prefer E

I don't think I've noticed any downsides at all with E

[round flame]

other backgrounds make it more obvious

[urban creek]

this is so sad

but here you have atleast some shadows

[round flame]

and theyre just replacing the sky screens which you can get closer to

i dont think its sad at all, its just doing what its supposed to be doing. It's a video of something playing on a screen in game

[urban creek]

i get that but missing lightning/shadows is not because of a pixelated background screen

you saw my screenshot

the whole scene is looking super flat

[round flame]

oh we were just talking about the backgrounds, i thought you meant the shadow in the video

[urban creek]

at first ,yes

nvm, thx anyway

[stray oxide]

fixes it how

[cinder oyster]

The output scaling feature in optiscaler wasn't working in Pragmata

[stray oxide]

ahh i see

[steep trench]

cant tell the difference at all when using that output scaling lol

[bronze ether]

thanks, but A) you wasn't the first to share end-game save on nexus and B) SteamID is a 17-digits number, not the one you have posted in the description. To find your 17-digit SteamID64, in the Steam client, click your username in the top-right, select "Account details," and your ID will appear under your username.

[clever ore]

^ 💯 i too would like RR to look better than it does, but given the scale of the task being asked of it, i can live with the fact that literal magic isnt flawless yet

[midnight stag]

looking at how RR constructs images out of barely any info at times it does feel like magic. But yeah, wish there was more effort put into R&D for this than DLSS 5 lol

[civic juniper]

Nvidia has multiple teams you know

[clever ore]

dont care if its just hopium at this point - DLSS4.5 came outta nowhere, FG preset B came outta nowhere, i'm not ready to give up hope on improved RR yet

[civic juniper]

DLSS5 research is different from RR/DLSS SR research

[clever ore]

it seems obvious they are still 💯 in on RT/PT

and while perhaps misnamed, DLSS5 isnt the only thing they're headed towards

i think we'll continue to see other improvements - i just hope RR is among them sooner rather than later

it could use the next gen transformer glow up 🙏

[cinder oyster]

New RR may come with DLSS5 late this year, but I wouldn't expect it before then

I feel like they would've announced it with 4.5 if it were coming

[civic juniper]

new RR will probably be FP4, current RR is already FP8

and FP4 will destroy old cards

[clever ore]

given the amount of compute used to train DLSS4.5 i genuinely wonder whether training RR after SR is a legitimate consideration vs doing it simultaneously, i wouldnt be surprised if they get out of sync releases

esp given the current hardware sitch - they seem to want to keep delivering software improvements to give peeps reasons to buy current gen hardware when next gen seems increasingly outta reach both in terms of timeline and price

[bronze ether]

they should just improve standard Ray Tracing, without PT and without RR.
RT doesn't add excessive blur and noise all over the screen, works with Transformer DLSS presets K-L and is way better in terms of performance on high-end GPUs (that still cannot handle PT properly).

[civic juniper]

nah PT is the way

RR too

neural denoisers are the only way to currently get good PT quality

[clever ore]

why not both.jpg - it seems clear (imho) theyve had a view for quite a while that PT is where its at, everything else has pretty much been a stop gap

or a necessary stepping stone

[midnight stag]

RT should be improved irregardless. Instead of being a slapped on feature. PT is the way always, but RT should be better than waht they're offering

[clever ore]

software lumen has rly fked RT tbh

[civic juniper]

software lumen fucked a whole generation of games

even on next-gen consoles they'll still look like shit

[clever ore]

its kinda depressing that this many years later, CP2077 is probs still the best RT/PT implementation, and its basically all bc its like, a reference-ish implementation of nvidia tech

all the individual RT effects have toggles and work well individually and in combination

the additive performance cost plummets

the PT is great but totes not necessary - chuck RTGI on in that game and youre good to go

would be great to see more devs using the nvidia branch of UE5

witcher 4 will be interesting - sounds like CDPR and nvidia are working real closely together again, not just CDPR and epic

[coral swift]

yeah witcher 4 will hopefully have a great PT implementation

[clever ore]

iirc (sorry if i paraphrase it wrong) alex on the latest DF Direct was talking about an nvidia presentation on PT from GDC where they were looking at ray tracing performance per GPU gen to explain why devs were still primarily using raster for the primary view, outside of what are basically nv tech demos like quake 2 rtx, and the overall takeaway was that with blackwell, its actually almost a wash from a perf perspective whether to trace rays for the primary view, which was not the case in previous gens, and with rubin they expect ray traced primary view to be more performant than raster in most circumstances

on the one hand you wonder how long itll take for that to be relevant given where consoles are at in comparison

but otoh the console market is shrinking, PC is growing, and nvidia is literally the entire PC market

so who knows

maybe we get the full fat paradigm shift and software lumen etc can get fked sooner than expected

🤞

[civic juniper]

hardware lumen should be fast enough for console 60fps now iirc

or maybe next update

[coral swift]

cant wait for 6090 tbh

gotta lay my 4090 to rest

[civic juniper]

i'll probably wait for 70 series to upgrade, my 5070ti will survive until then

[clever ore]

in many cases (GPU dependent i guess) hardware lumen should/is already more performant bc you are using specialised hardware to do the acceleration for you

i honestly have no idea why hardware lumen has such horrific take up by devs

[civic juniper]

consoles weren't able to hold 60 with hwlumen most of the time

that's why sw is default and hw is opt-in

[clever ore]

same - sounds like a major step towards a more performant PT future - kinda meh/to be expected generation to generation gains for raster but like, a doubling in RT performance? and who knows what other ML craziness they have in store. i think itll be a big step up

[clever ore]

ill be curious how big the jump vs 50 series ends up being - with hardware costs going the way they are, it feels like we might see new GPU generations less frequently but with more meaningful advancements

[clever ore]

but why opt-in 😭 major preface of im not a dev and have no idea wtf im talking about, but based on what ive heard from peeps who do know what theyre talking about, it does not sound that implementing hardware lumen is much of an effort if youre using lumen anyway

[civic juniper]

it's just a checkbox

[clever ore]

(relatively speaking)

[civic juniper]

devs could tick it and cook the build without exposing hw lumen in the settings menu if they didn't QA it

[clever ore]

id be much more forgiving if the qual difference wasnt literally "this makes me vomit" vs "oh wow this looks photorealistic"

[civic juniper]

but they don't

[clever ore]

just do that

you dont have to put it in the menu

it wont be your support team's problem

just... leave it in there

[ivory stirrup]

Saw a youtuber trying out the game on ps5, goes to settings... "HDR... Auto/off? I don't know what that is. Let's leave it at auto... I guess?"

That's your typical gamer

[urban creek]

That sounds like DSP GAMING

[meager walrus]

Tbh it's really weird how they just make the game look like shit without PT

If you're making PT necessary for the game to look good just make it mandatory like Indiana Jones does.

SDR/HDR and Baked/Realtime lighting has this annoying issue where most of the time only one looks good natively, the other one requires community fixes

[stray oxide]

if it would be mandatory it would prob sell less

[frail glen]

why they dont enable RR for normal RT I dont understand. Wasnt that possible in Cyberpunk

[ivory stirrup]

I was thinking the same but you know, I'm not sure anymore if it was

[loud hatch]

Alan Wake 2 and CB2077 - you can enable RR with RT

[heady fern]

Has anyone posted recommended settings for the tweaks script and the RDX for this game?

[arctic glen]

• Use lite script just for simple few settings - radiance cache is 10% performance improvement, sometimes negative visually, sometimes positive - causes one known crash after big roof fight in second zone

• PT bounces can go up to 5 for a minor difference

• Shadow resolution ultra improves distance shadows but costs a lot of VRAM

• CullingAngle 2.5 -> 1 or 0 is a significant improvement

• Use full script if you want to mess around with a lot of settings or try to use it for RT

[near mantle]

Might be worth pinning

[prime meteor]

why try to use it for RT, are these not RT tweaks?

[near mantle]

Primarily for path tracing

[arctic glen]

you would just have to figure out the RT tweaks yourself

[tame jewel]

How do you install these?

[arctic glen]

drag and drop into reframework autorun

[prime meteor]

aight, the only borked settings for me with RT is RT AO

it's like displaced

idk

everything else works pretty well, Transparent RT is good

[cinder oyster]

Increase global RT res ratio

something like that

to 2.0 i think

fixes the AO

[prime meteor]

oh thanks a lot

what did you set AO distance to

[cinder oyster]

I didn't spend a lot of time testing RT, but someone else posted their settings: #1475553827255222486 message

[prime meteor]

do you know if FSR4 int8 works just by swapping dlls?

[cinder oyster]

No idea

[loud hatch]

cant find the CullingAngle 🙁

Oh its under the RT options. Nvm

[slow sparrow]

anyone that beat the game with radiance cache active? Is there only the 1 area that crashes the game?

[tight hinge]

Did the defaults change in the latest RenoDX?

[timid granite]

PT looks quite blurry to me with reflections at 4k dlss perf mode but that's to be expected I suppose

[ashen shale]

Try Balanced - I went from Performance to Quality, but had too little VRAM 5080

[timid granite]

ehh, that might be a bit too much

[ashen shale]

what do you use?

[timid granite]

5070ti

[ashen shale]

FG x3 I presume?

[timid granite]

no FG at all, I'm sticking to 60

there were 2 areas so far that were really demanding

[ashen shale]

understandable. But might be worth a try, set to 120 fps.

[timid granite]

nah I don't like FG at all

I'll never use it

I've seen someone mention that RR preset E is better in this game?

[robust siren]

There's less boiling with preset E yes

[timid granite]

interesting, I tried it and I noticed 0 difference

I tried older RR CNN presets and noticed those were noticeably worse tho

ngl I might go back to 4k dlaa with regular RT and mess with the denoiser

[tight hinge]

E has significantly less boiling. It's quite clear when you find a bad spot.

[prime meteor]

are we supposed to use Radiance Caching with PT only>? cause it fucks with the lighting a bit with RT

[native orbit]

interesting. is there an nvidia paper or something which claims this?

[ashen shale]

As I understood it, yes and what it does is give you 10% more performance. But apparently there is one area in the game, 5h in approx, where it crashes.

[native orbit]

I would assume RT does not fire enough rays for a cache to be useful in any way

[prime meteor]

you can increase the amount of rays cast when you enable it though I believe

or was it bounces. Maybe they're the same thing, wouldn't know

[timid granite]

afaik you can only tweak bounces

[native orbit]

anyone tried messing with radiance cache tile size or scene scale? I guess you could get more cache hits, probably at the cost of something

[obsidian axle]

What is culling angle exactly doing?

[steep trench]

#1475553827255222486 message

reflection

finally finished all 30 training sim

and i still haven’t finished the main story last night can’t sleep well because i almost get to the end of the story and left it

[round flame]

Those training sims are real good

[steep trench]

start getting complex after 20

[stoic mountain]

PT give blurry image in all games

[molten mauve]

does the 2nd zone for radiance cache crash mean new york or terra?

[spiral palm]

Anyone have a link to the latest LUA script?

[tranquil copper]

is it me or path tracing make the distance suffer? like a small burr or something ?

while the game in DLAA RT doss look quite sharp

[round flame]

Vs the game not in DLAA?

[tranquil copper]

ah i mean i could try to get PT in DLAA but the FPS will be dirt

my 5070 TI is not ready for PT in DLAA

[prime meteor]

tbh upscaling looks blurry in general to me

FSR4 int8 quality could probably look better, they also didnt add Native AA

[tranquil copper]

i mean, with DLSS quality or balance by it’s self it is not issue, together with PT it starts doing stuff for some reason

[cyan swift]

You are getting 60 with Path tracing everything max out on Performance?

[tranquil copper]

i can run DLAA + FG 2 and it does look sharper

[timid granite]

shadows high instead of max to save vram and some post process stuff disabled like dof, motion blur and chromatic aberration or w/e it is

[cyan swift]

I see, I have everything MAX out with PT and DLSS Performance with Motion blur and lens distorsion disabled and I get 45-50 on my 5070 ti I only get over 50 with radiance Cache

[timid granite]

I have radiance cache enabled too

[cyan swift]

I guess shadows are very demanding on this game

[round flame]

Radiance cache does seem to give a nice 10% framerate improvement but I hit some reproducible crashes while using it

[timid granite]

there were 2 areas where I had heavy fps drops but it's been otherwise good so far

[arctic glen]

make sure you use RCAS with PT too

[slow sparrow]

wrong

doesnt radiance cache only crash in 1 certain area?

[rustic sail]

I'm at the end of the game and haven't had a crash, but I didn't turn on radiance until post New York.

[arctic glen]

yeah afaik it is just in zone 2 specifically around the office space

[steep trench]

yea, finished the game. no crash after passing that specific area too.

30/35 achievements

[arctic glen]

I need to do the last area

[steep trench]

full achievements require complete in hard mode i already keep dying late game and barely finish the last boss dang

[ashen shale]

Yep was on that brigde and while entering the door it closes the game. Now I know it is Zone 2 xD

Lost some progress there, not too bad.

[ashen shale]

Ehm, why did it crash there, but I did not have Radiance cash enabled?

[blissful merlin]

Is RCAS liliums CAS or something else you have to download?

[dusk oyster]

With everything maxed in PT @ 4K DLSS Perf, I can lock 60 fps in most areas. That's on a 5070 Ti

Radiance Cache on of course

Without I hover around 50-60

Didn't notice any performance difference with shadow settings, just VRAM cost.

[tight hinge]

The big boss fight at the end of the second zone is pure gaming bliss

[fathom thorn]

PT + RR Preset E looks so damn good wth. All boiling gone too. Damn demanding though. Have to use FG to remain a solid 60 on max settings in demanding areas. 4080S OCed, 7800x3d PBO 24, 32GB 6000mhz ddr5

[shut dome]

https://www.nexusmods.com/pragmata/mods/54

[bitter blade]

I have dropped to 45 fps on stock Path Tracing on 1080p DLAA (4k DLSS Performance gets same perf, maybe 1 or 2 frames less) in second area with a RTX 4080

[modest stirrup]

Can someone explain how I can install Lilium RCAS? I'm kinda lost here

[fathom thorn]

Reshade. It’s in the list of shaders during install.

[modest stirrup]

But I don't see RCAS in the list though, or I have bad sight

[fathom thorn]

Should be under lilum’s HDR shaders. Sorry not at my computer so can’t screenshot it right now.

[modest stirrup]

Ah got it! Thanks!

Is there a recommended setting at 4K balanced?

[tame quail]

Vanilla / RenoDX at 400 nits peak
I actually prefer the Vanilla here
Highlights saturation is causing ""segmentation"" errors

[queen totem]

Yeah, Vanilla do be looking nice here.

[tame quail]

Highlights sat 55

[fathom thorn]

For RCAS? Not really just personal preference with strength, rest I leave at default.

[tame quail]

I just want Vanilla with working brightness sliders and G2.2 UI

[queen totem]

Haven't played the game, yet. But I did launch it and the initial setup for brightness looked off, gave me a feeling peak brightness might be wonky there.

Is that the case? Is it capped to some stupid limit or some shit?

[tame quail]

It's the same as RE9, but worse

     -9 - 120 nits
     -8 - 140 nits
     -7 - 180 nits
     -6 - 250 nits
     -5 - 350 nits
     -4 - 420 nits
     -3 - 420 nits
     -2 - 700 nits
     -1 - 700 nits
     0 - 875 nits
     +1 - 925 nits
     +2 - 950 nits
     +3 - 950 nits
     +4 - 975 nits
     +5 - 975 nits
     +6 - 975 nits
     +7 - 975 nits
     +8 - 975 nits
     +9 - 975 nits
     +10 - 975 nits```

[queen totem]

[twin echo]

PT bounces can go up to 5 for a minor difference
which setting is this in the config? radiance_cache_ray_bounce or ray_bounce?

[steep trench]

almost same config, i ended up using dlss enabler fg 4x to finish the game, the fg artifacts are insane tho

[fathom thorn]

2x is game default right? I’m not noticing any artifacts really forcing newest fg and sl dlls and preset B. Guessing it’s worse with 4x? Why did you end up going to 4x did you still get drops below 60 with 2x?

[fierce crow]

Anyone else get ui elements juddering when panning or moving past them when fg is turned on? It gets worse at x3 and 4x fg. Game runs well with PT on besides that.

[fathom thorn]

Yeah I do get that at least.

[ivory stirrup]

I just realised this game has a HORIBLE deadzone that needs an anti-deadzone adjustment of around ~10.000 in steam input

It is so bad I'm actually going back to my other games to see if it's this bad elsewhere

[fathom thorn]

Yeah it’s a pretty big deadzone by default

[ivory stirrup]

You literally cannot do any fine aiming until you move your stick to around 30%

And there still seems to be some kind of weird cross shaped deadzone/response present

[frail glen]

use gyro aiming its very good in this game

[ivory stirrup]

Ah hell nah

[civic juniper]

gyro is based

[lime dirge]

what controller do you use?

[ivory stirrup]

It's not that I had any issue hitting targets, but once you actually sit down and look at something try to fine aim, you realise

[fathom thorn]

I use Dualsense and gyro is good

[frail glen]

dualsense

[lime dirge]

i'm playing from my bed is it hard to gyro aim from that position?

[frail glen]

nah thats fine

[ivory stirrup]

I've got multiples, DS5, SMX20 (hall effect) and Raiju. They all needed the same adjustment, DS5 a little less because it gets stuck in 3% idle

[frail glen]

you really only need very small movements to aim in this game

[lime dirge]

i have dualsense with tmr (forgot which one)

[ivory stirrup]

That's the thing. Movement under 30% of stock movement DOES NOTHING

Try just holding L2 and look around

[frail glen]

I meant with gyro

[fathom thorn]

It’s a tad annoying to aim without gyro if you don’t change the deadzone yeah

[ivory stirrup]

Ugh gyro

[steep trench]

it is worse mostly because third party fg. probably np with nvidia true mfg ig. 60fps is too laggy for me at least on oled so i cant bear it lol

[lime dirge]

have you guys tried using anti-deadzone for faster reaction time?

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah after fixing deadzones it's ok so just as a PSA

[tight hinge]

Please can I ask what you mean by segmentation errors?

[ivory stirrup]

As I said 10k anti fixes it

[tight hinge]

I'm not 💯 I'm happy with default RenoDX

[lime dirge]

what does that mean

[tight hinge]

Think I want a bit more punch. 1360 peak

[lime dirge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/drinks-punch

[ivory stirrup]

Set anti-deadzone to 10.000 on your aim stick and a little less for other one maybe

[steep trench]

i finished the whole game using gyro aiming without aim assist, didn’t find deadzone is a probably at all lol

[ivory stirrup]

I played this far "just fine" too until I actually sat down and tested it properly

[lime dirge]

thanks

[tight hinge]

Controls feel great to me on DS Edge

[fathom thorn]

Ah yeah oled do have super low response times. I’m on mini led IPS.

[steep trench]

i feel the low base fps input lag is more bothering me most of the time lol

[frail glen]

same I didnt even notice anything

[ivory stirrup]

Until you actually test it out. Go try it

I started paying attention only after I swapped controllers and I thought - wait, is this controller being weird?

But it was just the deadzone

[tight hinge]

Dude is in a ginormous space suit to be fair!

[fathom thorn]

Ah little but man is it better than it used to be.

[modest stirrup]

Ok I thought I was crazy but I think the sliders don't do anything anymore in RenoDX. I pushed contrast all the way up and absolutely no difference in game. Is there something preventing it to work?

[steep trench]

3 stars all 30 sim training and never considered it was deadzone problem when i have to retry lol i feel the landing drift is the most painful thing to me lol

[steep trench]

yea it is much better than before. i don’t feel that bother me too much either. just saying it when compared to deadzone

i found i never played a game that is stutter free with pc direct storage

[tight hinge]

When he has to land from slightly too high and kinda stumbles FUUUUUUU

[steep trench]

no matter u upgrade the dll or not it will still stutter in somewhere tho it is not that frequent, still much better than UE classic stutters

[steep trench]

yes lol so painful when doing those training. still i like how they implement this low gravity control, not too difficult to play but still having the space immersion

[tight hinge]

Honestly the game is basically perfect

[modest stirrup]

Something's wrong, sliders don't work anymore. The picture should look like ass with such settings

[steep trench]

true. but this word is before my full achievement trying. idk how much passion i would left on this game after that

[fierce crow]

Damn. I've tried to find a resolution but come up short so far.

[tight hinge]

I assume you've tried forcing preset B?

I don't see many FG artifacts tbh

[fierce crow]

Indeed. No luck.

[steep trench]

it mostly just because it is still using ur base refresh rate on hud ig

[modest stirrup]

I swear to god, RenoDX don't work anymore on my side. I tried completely uninstalling Reshade, tried previous version of RenoDX but it seems it has no effect on picture quality and sliders don't work. What's going on guys? Can someone help me?

[steep trench]

and if u enable x3 or x4 ur base fps getting even lower so it getting worse? just pure guessing lol

[fierce crow]

It does make sense. Where my head is too.

[steep trench]

try install both reframework and reshade using rhi?

[modest stirrup]

rhi?

[steep trench]

https://github.com/RankFTW/RHI

[modest stirrup]

Thanks I'll give it a try, but it's so weird. It just stopped working all of a sudden today

[steep trench]

maybe antivirus idk

[modest stirrup]

I have none, just good ol' windows defender

[fierce crow]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[fathom thorn]

Did it help? I still get some hud element judder with B

[modest stirrup]

Oh FFS I know what happened! I played a little on my ROG Ally yesterday and I turned HDR off on it. Never thought the settings would transfer from the cloud. Fucking bullshit...

[fierce crow]

No unfortunately

[fathom thorn]

Ye just how it be I guess

[queen totem]

LMK if you land on okay-ish settings to achieve that.

[frosty gust]

That’s what mid gray 15.0 is

And pre tonemap curve off

And EOTF emulation off
And per channel scaling

Vanilla does aces 1000 then some tonemapping on top of that

The re requiem stuff was just stretching it by max channel

Currently I have the saturation sliders running before tonemap

I can move them after

[prime meteor]

enabling specular secondary bounces gives a little performance hit but it looks good

it is a bit noisy though

setting roughness threshold to 0.2 does the trick though

[ivory stirrup]

Does this game support DS triggers when plugged in, or only haptics?

I think haptics are working but triggers no?

[civic juniper]

pcgw says no dualsense haptics but triggers are in

[tame quail]

Literally have all of those settings

[frosty gust]

Ye I didn’t see the earlier message

[tame quail]

This was vanilla vs match HDR

[frosty gust]

Changing the saturation sliders now

[tame quail]

Nobody knows
Some people say they do
But they are lying

[ivory stirrup]

Am I dumb why does it feel the opposite. Trigger no worky but haptics feel right?

[cinder oyster]

Triggers are definitely working

Should be a setting for adaptive triggers if you have a dualsense plugged in

[ivory stirrup]

Oh must be steam input

[cinder oyster]

Not sure if there are haptics, never really stood out to me

[ivory stirrup]

Oh no that means the dreaded dead zones are back 😭

[cinder oyster]

Deadzones? I feel like the left stick at least has literally no deadzone

Is it just the right stick?

[ivory stirrup]

Right stick is awful yeah

Needs anti-deadzone adjustment

Literally zero response the first 20% of movement

It's not like it makes the game hard but it feels really bad to aim

Once you realise how bad it is you cannot "unfeel it" until you add the anti-deadzone

[north spade]

first thing i did when starting the game was set up a big anti deadzone on the right stick lol

felt real bad

[stray oxide]

where do u guys set that i wanna try

the aiming did feel a bit goofy at times

[midnight stream]

could you advise please - whats the easiest, laziest way of doing that? i do use dualsense natively idk if it would work with your method

[north spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuNtlEGM7gU

this video seems to cover it well

[frosty gust]

• adjusted how saturation, highlight saturation, dechroma work

[unreal slate]

just booted up the game xD

do you have to delete shader cache between addon updates

[fathom thorn]

Well if you do want to recompile shaders, just deleting graphics card shader cache isn't enough. You need to also delete shader.cache2 in game files to trigger recompile

[unreal slate]

I had some crashes that were fixed by deleting that file

thats why I was asking

[fallow igloo]

You lose Dualsense features using steam input unfortunately. Really wish steam would add the option to emulate a Dualsense with steam input rather than everything being Xinput. (Apparently you can do this with the steam input API but every game I’ve tried that uses that API has had issues with Dualsense anyway lol)

[unreal slate]

the dxgi device removed or sth

thought it was my oc but it happened at stock too

[fathom thorn]

Yeah... I think only option besides that would be DSX.

[fallow igloo]

DSX also doesn’t work properly in a few games (Breaks haptics and adaptive triggers) although newer updates may have fixed it. Using the Dualsense can be a massive pain on PC but I do it to myself anyway haha

[fathom thorn]

Haptics should work on newest version wired at least.

I haven't tested myself though yet.

[fallow igloo]

Yeah it’s fine in most games. Some games don’t use the normal API for haptics so their driver emulation doesn’t work, like ZZZ. Adaptive triggers can also be funky where they technically work but the output isn’t as good as native. I stopped using DSX because I got sick of trying to figure out if it was causing issues when I started a new game

[silent zephyr]

I had to delete the cache file to boot the game after updating

[fathom thorn]

I really wish the native playstation accessories app just allowed for this type of customization.

[fallow igloo]

Yes please! The hoops I go through just to map the share button to my screenshot key is a nightmare and doesn’t work in games with EAC. Sony pls

[unreal slate]

both the file and the shader cache in appdata?

[ivory stirrup]

Where's the part that crashes the radiance? Is it in new york when doing the 6 gates or is it further cause I just crashed hard near the end of it

[silent zephyr]

Just the cache file in the same directory as the exe

[unreal slate]

its on a bridge

i dont remember which gate hack

4th?

[heady karma]

right after you activate the 4th gate and get near the checkpoint

[unreal slate]

kk

[ivory stirrup]

Ah yeah that was exactly it

[unreal slate]

I spent 3 hours on that area probably until I knew that radiance cache was causing it

[ivory stirrup]

Does it crash every time you're there or only a script causes it to crash?

[unreal slate]

When I disabled radiance caching it stopped

[heady karma]

it'll crash every time but you can just disable RC there and keep the script

[unreal slate]

still have script on for ray bounces

[ivory stirrup]

I meant like a scripted event

[heady karma]

doesn't crash anywhere else in the game it seems

[unreal slate]

i got a phobia now lost progress too many times xD

Especially going for 100%

[ivory stirrup]

So it always needs to be disabled for the bridge area?

[unreal slate]

yes

[heady karma]

yes

[slow sparrow]

Its only the one area

[unreal slate]

btw

even if you jump down

[slow sparrow]

Several people that beat the game said no other crashes

[unreal slate]

off the bridge

theres a chest

and a bottom entrance

crashes there too

right side of the bridge the gate is broken

if u go for the chest and proceed it crashes

if youre 100%ing every zone as you go i suggest just keeping it off, you lose too much progress

[heady karma]

there are 0 other confirmed crashes

[unreal slate]

better safe than sorry

xD

[ivory stirrup]

My assumption was there's bunch of metroid style upgrades that lets you get stuff later like that glowing ore stuff

So I don't spend too much time I'll get back to it later, but I did find a couple of secret rooms

[unreal slate]

ye im about to go into the 4th sector but still have 96% on 2nd or sth

so runbacks are needed

[urban creek]

Do they have 100% the game ? If not, not a reliable fact.

[tight hinge]

Do I need to do anything more than simply disable steam input and load the game through steam? Doesn't that solve this? Or is the implication that I won't get any controller input at all if I do that, and so need DSX?

[tame jewel]

Most games these days have native Dualsense support, if you disable steam input that is what you're getting, full Dualsense support with all of its features like haptics and gyro, if you use steam input on the other hand you overwrite this and the Dualsense becomes basically an xbox controller, you can tweak deadzones etc now but you lose the dualsense features.

[nova dagger]

So I really like the tweaks one of yall posted for this game. Are there similar tweaks that do the same thing for RE9?

like radiance cache giving +10% fps or whatever or more ray bounces

[north spade]

true. fortunately i could not care less about dualsense features.

[finite walrus]

#1477506311553028167 message

[stone locust]

Just started using U+ with Returnal actually 👍

[urban creek]

@shut dome This game is something else. Graphics feeling next gen to me ...

[finite walrus]

i got s screenshot in the same place

[frigid panther]

so many areas with pt look like very close to like realistic style cgi movies its pretty impressive

[shut dome]

That part was so good! Yeah Capcom really pushed things here

[round flame]

pretty

[slow sparrow]

Yep, I 100% the game

Am I lying? Maybe

I still didn't finish stage 3 D:

[manic jacinth]

For me it moves as soon as I touch the stick

[ivory stirrup]

really? its dead for me on all controlers i tried

what controler you using?

[slow sparrow]

Ngl, at first I thought it was the curry meme

[shut dome]

Hahaha

[frail glen]

Someone said not to use vsync when using FG. I always thought enabling vsync in control panel was the right move but apparently it messes with frame times when using FG. Can anyone confirm?

[ivory stirrup]

FG turns vsync off

It's so jarring to me when FG turns off during certain situations like menu screens down to 40 fps, I really really don't like FG at all 😅

[tame jewel]

unfortunately FG is the only way to experience the game with PT and reasonable smoothness

[ivory stirrup]

Its ok for me without fg at ultra perf 4K but this sometimes makes Diana's face a little squished at a distance which I really don't like, I just don't have the heart to do that to her so I opt for performance+fg

[tame jewel]

ultra perf RR is basically vaseline to me, can't go lower than quality

[ivory stirrup]

Sounds like 1440p life. On 4K you really have to pixel peep to find any issues in ultra

[tame jewel]

3440x1440 so not quite 1440

[ivory stirrup]

Must be distance to ppi then?

Shouldn't this resolution on balanced be roughly as 4k perf?

Which to me is like where I stop seeing any improvement

[frail glen]

I mean if you have vsync enabled globally in nvcp. It was always recommended to do this but seems like it causes problems with fg.

[ivory stirrup]

But it still turns it off doesn't it?

[frail glen]

No it doesn't that's why fg+vsync caps your fps but without vsync it does not cap fps

[ivory stirrup]

Wait really? Is there any way I can check that? That would explain why fg feels so bad to me then...

Sigh. Might just turn global vsync off then I have global framecap anyway

[tame jewel]

in screenshots it's hard to tell the difference but in motion the difference is extremely obvious

[frail glen]

It's news to me too, I haven't tried it yet. Seems vsync and FG is trouble especially in RE games

[strange sage]

I'm only using 2x FG cause I'm 40 series but I've had no issues with vsync on in NVCP, played through a couple of other games recently too and no issues either

[frail glen]

Also you should not cap your fps at all when using FG as that's what causes issues

[strange sage]

What issues does capping cause?

Cause again I've been using RTSS with the Reflex fps limit and had zero issues with the few games I've run recently, unless you mean MFG forcing itself to 6x?

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah but fg can't come close to cap anyway so no worries? Except loading screen

[frail glen]

Seems to cause frametime issues

[tame jewel]

You can kind of see it here even in screenshots while I move forward how much blurrier ultra perf is compared to quality

[strange sage]

I've heard and seen that using other methods vs the NVIDIA Reflex limiter, have you specifically seen mention of it happening in that case?

[frail glen]

Yes they were saying it causes issues with reflex capping in games with RE engine. Apparently reflex only caps frames when vsync is enabled in the first place.

[strange sage]

Weird, I'm gonna test with a frametime graph up cause that sort of thing usually bothers the heck outta me and I hadn't noticed it yet. I'll update if anything is weird or w/e

Okay immediately I can see why they would say that, it goes from being a line graph when you tab out with FG on to basically the same graph but with the whole bottom of the line filled in, so it looks like your frame times are going INSANE. If you were actually having that frametime issue, you'd feel it though, that sort of graph wouldn't be subtle.

Ignore my min and max cause I was tabbing in and out to catch both sides of the FT graph

that just looks like weird reporting of normal then basically 0 frametime because of how FG frames are presented? Not 100% sure though, but I'm sure that wouldn't feel even remotely smooth haha

[arctic glen]

use relimiter or DC

[strange sage]

I'm saying this feels perfect already and seems to be just a visual error with how FT is displayed/reported/measured, at least for someone only capable of 2x frame gen.

That graph wouldn't feel smooth if it were real 😛

[arctic glen]

right, if you want a nice graph of native frames then would want to use another tool

[strange sage]

Ahhhh gotcha, my bad I misunderstood

[arctic glen]

and generally regardless something else will provide better pacing and latency

[strange sage]

specifically vs the reflex limiter or RTSS in general?

or RE Engine specific?

[arctic glen]

in pretty much any game using reflex

[frail glen]

Do you use driver vsync with fg?

[arctic glen]

I generally dont turn on vsync unless there is a need to or it provides a tangible improvement in a game

[frail glen]

I always thought it was kinda a must use together with gsync.

[gilded acorn]

It is, but only on driver level

[arctic glen]

I feel like I just kind of often have random behavior when forcing on vsync

sometimes its good, sometimes much worse

[strange sage]

Yep, on in driver, off in game, buttery for gsync in the overwhelming majority of games. Some do behave weird though, IDTech notably caps to half refresh rate if stuff is set at driver level

though they cap at half of whatever limit you set anywhere anyways, at least for Doom Eternal lol

[lethal flame]

Anyone got the link to the UltraPlus Mod? I am installing Pragmata on my living room 5090 to play with my gf

[arctic glen]

search for messages from me

[gilded acorn]

Yea thats because they are crap at optimizing for FG and Reflex what I heard. Indy TGC is a great example of this lol

[arctic glen]

a lot of games have problems with native reflex implementation

doom is definitely one of them

CD I get like 10-20 less FPS without using external pacing

[ivory stirrup]

I guess my eyes are just bad at this point

[ivory stirrup]

I'm so confused now. So should we even use reflex or no? Asking for doom as well

[strange sage]

Yep, same thing with Escape From Tarkov. Reflex eats like 10% of my frames, though that's Unity and just a whole shitshow LMAO

[arctic glen]

so TLDR I would just use external frame pacing/limiting in every game that you can

[ivory stirrup]

But... Reflex is supposed to eliminate almost all of the lag from the FG? It's supposed to be used both at once even if you get a slight fps loss?? Input response > visual fluidity

[frail glen]

So what's your opinion on using vsync with fg. Or is there no general option it's all dependent on game?

[arctic glen]

imo its dependent on game and I typically dont see much benefit doing it, I always use external frame pacing

[arctic glen]

the other tools use reflex, just better

[strange sage]

^^^

That said, CD I find reflex still worth the few frames as my input latency feels substantially better, which also reflects the diference of 10ms to like 1.5ms of CPU processing

[rustic sail]

I never use vsync modernly, displaycommander everywhere. Difference is pretty noticable especially with FG.

[strange sage]

and it is specific to being on in game vs in external tools

[ivory stirrup]

I give up, gonna play solitaire instead

[frail glen]

Okay so use relimiter, no vsync. But gsync you do use?

[arctic glen]

I run adaptive pacing in relimiter and is very nice for FG (disclaimer I wrote a large portion of it)

and yeah I run gsync

[frail glen]

Perfect I was always using vsync on top of relimiter cap. Guess that was wrong

[rustic sail]

Just adding latency pretty much.

[arctic glen]

the adaptive pacing mode is pretty cool cause it changes your fps limit dynamically to cover fully pacing all frames, which is useful if you are not at your fps cap all the time

[strange sage]

Oh that's kinda cool. Where do I grab it to try?

[wicked jasper]

if I understand correctly, it will only work with series 50xx? I have a 4070 ti and I haven't turn it on

[rustic sail]

https://github.com/RankFTW/ReLimiter/releases or through RHI

[arctic glen]

it just needs DX12 and reflex rn

but either way, DC will work well too, just use something other than native game

[rustic sail]

I find DC pace generated or native frames working very well for Pragmata. I forget which I settled on but usually it's native.

[arctic glen]

yeah, it helps that the game itself is quite stable

[strange sage]

so in RELimiter, Reflex should say native? Or am I missing something?

[frail glen]

We could use a little guide how to use it right lol

Or maybe it exists and idk where

Sorry I'm stupid it's all explained on the GitHub page. https://github.com/RankFTW/ReLimiter?tab=readme-ov-file

[loud hatch]

Im crushing on the cutscene after I beat the final boss

[sudden raven]

I hope it saved your progress D:

This is my nightmare

[steep trench]

i don’t think there is ultra+ mod for this game?

[meager lodge]

i dont know why but renodx doesnt work for me in this game

like i tried resetting my shader cache and its still the same

[tame jewel]

Have you followed the instructions on Nexus? This mod requires a dll from REFramework to work

[meager lodge]

i know and what i mean is even if i adjust the settings in renodx, nothing changes

[loud hatch]

fixed it by recompiling the shaders again

[meager lodge]

yeah i alr did that

[tame jewel]

Have you tried unistalling reshade and installing it again? Also this may sounds stupid but are you sure HDR is enabled?

[meager lodge]

yep

tried reinstalling, recompile shaders, and yea made sure HDR is on

[tame jewel]

Do you have the lasted version or reshade?

[meager lodge]

yeah i have the latest

of both reshade and reno

[steep trench]

u don’t have tearing without vsync?

[meager lodge]

i dont know why it doesnt work since reno works on my crimson desert

[tame jewel]

VRR baby

[steep trench]

it is still 1440 tho. most of the time only vertical pixels matter to clarity

[arctic glen]

ultra performance is definitely blurry as hell

[steep trench]

afaik vrr does have tearing if frames don’t sync properly?

[rustic sail]

VRRs one big purpose being to sync frames properly.

[tame jewel]

vrr has tearing if fps go over your monitor refresh rate

[rustic sail]

Well, outside your VRR range.

[steep trench]

i always having tearing even within vrr range when not using any vsync

either in game vsync or driver vsync has to be on to get rid of tearing

in all the games i played

[tame jewel]

Are you sure VRR is enabled?

[steep trench]

def

[rustic sail]

We, don't feel so sure.

lol

[steep trench]

monitor does adjust its refresh rate to frame rate

[tame jewel]

either it's not enabled or your fps go over your refresh rate, there's no other explaination really

what monitor do you have?

[steep trench]

491cqp for now but it also always happen on the previous monitor i used before

[tame jewel]

Do you have nvidia or amd?

[steep trench]

nvidia

[tame jewel]

Does this section look like this?

[steep trench]

fullscreen mode not windowed. ticked below. afaik dx12 games are all true fullscreen if not setting to windowed with boarders in game

[tame jewel]

Under variable refresh rate does it say supported and the range?

[tame jewel]

try windowed and full screen

[steep trench]

yes

windowed and fullscreen causing vrr flicker when outside of game so dont use it

[tame jewel]

Is monitor technology set to gsync in global setting in the nvidia app?

[tame jewel]

I mean I would just try it to see if it fixes the tearing if you haven't already tried

[steep trench]

ys it is default to gsync when turning on gsync

[steep trench]

yea i might try it next time

[tame jewel]

Honestly I don't know then. If you can take a video even with your phone to show the tearing, ideally with the fps counter visible, otherwise I ran out of things to check lol

[toxic badge]

Use relimiter it’s anyways better than everything else from NVIDIA or other 3rd party

[steep trench]

i use display commander

[toxic badge]

Did you check if Gsync markers are active ?

Maybe something in that regard isn’t active for whatever reason

[steep trench]

DCPaceLock q=1 gsync fullscreen only>
DCPaceLock q=1 gsync fullscreen only with prevent tearing>
nvidia reflex gsync fullscreen only>
DCPaceLock q=1 gsync windowed+fullscreen with prevent tearing>
nvidia reflex gsync windowed+fullscreen with prevent tearing>
DCPaceLock q=1 vsync on

only no tearing in the last one

all with fg x2

[frail glen]

Maybe try reliniter adaptive smoothing? Not sure if DC has something like that

[rustic sail]

I've been pacing native frames in FG so.

[eternal nacelle]

So general question.

I've got the 39GX950B, which has 1500 nits of peak brightness and says 600 nits at 10% or whatever. Windows is detecting Peak Brightness as 604 nits, and with NVIDIA Default settings it clips in HDR Calibration at 2100, but when swapping to NVIDIA settings as 10 Bit, Full RGB then HDR Calibration reflects 600 nits properly.

However.. should it not be showing 1500 as the peak nits, in Windows?

If it should show 600 nits, would I use 600 or 1500 in RenoDX?

[steep trench]

@arctic glen would u mind sharing ur config to eliminate tearing without vsync on plz? tysm

[arctic glen]

I use relimiter myself but ima be honest I have never had tearing with gsync

[eternal nacelle]

I had an issue a few months back where G-Sync wasn't active despite being enabled. Had to DDU to resolve the problem. Randomly decided to shit itself one day and I could immediately tell.

[arctic glen]

I have the 45 inch ultragear and its edid profile is just wrong so maybe similar issue

[eternal nacelle]

DDU, use a community preferred driver from m_w_h from the NVIDIA subreddit is always my suggestion, anyway, and then use the G-Sync pendulum test to make sure it's properly running

[arctic glen]

I also cap at 600 by default

[eternal nacelle]

Ah so you just follow the 600 instead of chasing whatever the peak brightness is supposed to be?

As far as I can tell, anything above 600 still functions, anyway

[arctic glen]

I edited the edid profile with cru

[eternal nacelle]

Oh weird, so you used CRU and set it to what.. like 1300 I think, for the 45"? But you still use 600 in RenoDX and 1300 with the Windows Calibration?

[arctic glen]

I set it to 1300 in the profile and I get about 1000 in the windows calibration

and use 1000 in reno

[eternal nacelle]

Maybe I'll give that a shot then. I don't understand why Windows has to be such dogshit with this stuff. How is it an EDID can be borked, Windows HDR Calibration can be so bad. It's a main selling point for premium displays.

[arctic glen]

the 39 is available now?

[eternal nacelle]

Yeah pre-orders started shipping really early

I got mine yesterday

[arctic glen]

dang, now I want the 39

45 a bit too big I think

[eternal nacelle]

Love the swap from the AW3423DWF perfect size upgrade, doesn't feel too big at all

[arctic glen]

yeah thats the monitor I had before this one

and I do enjoy the size and angle but

I think 39 more of the sweet spot

[eternal nacelle]

I think the debate over glossy vs matte is overblown, at least when you come from a gen 1 QD OLED like the DWF

If you dry hump the screen you'll see the matte, but in most cases I can't even really tell. Feels more uniform with matte though

[steep trench]

dang 💀 why is this happening to me for all these time

this pragmata looks middle ages

[urban creek]

like mentioned, if not already, you have to set gsync to windowed+fullscreen in nvcp to work properly

[urban creek]

damn, sry ^^

[steep trench]

tested, same 💀 #1475553827255222486 message

[urban creek]

damn

hdmi or displayport ?

[steep trench]

dp 1.4

[urban creek]

have you tested with another cable ?

[rustic sail]

I would, all of my issues in that area ended up being fixed by new cable/different port years ago.

[steep trench]

i might try it again on my c2 later :/

[cyan swift]

what pacing frames do? I only use FG avaible in game

[urban creek]

just a thought if you already have double checked all other options. sometimes it's the little things.

[steep trench]

they are mostly default with gsync, no vsync global and default to 3d applications

[steep trench]

exactly the same on my c2 with either DC or relimiter hdmi 2.1

nvm i might just keep using vsync on

DC pace native frame get a less distracting tearing but still

[short furnace]

What's the downside for vsync on?

[shut dome]

Bit lower fps

[steep trench]

i personally didn’t find any downside tbh 😂 just curious how can people getting no tearing without it on

[manic jacinth]

Dualsense

[manic jacinth]

Me too

[normal birch]

Are you getting PS icons?

Idk why im still getting Xbox icons

[glass shard]

Impossible to get no tearing if you 're at the fps cap without vsync.

[manic jacinth]

There’s an option in the menu to choose the ones u want

I just usually run vsync and uncapped VRR. Works perfectly 9 out of 10 times for me

[normal birch]

Oh damn thanks i'm blind for some reason

[midnight stag]

this is really confusing, how can it shoot past 120 fps like that? oO

[midnight stag]

I literally only have it for fullscreen and never had tearing oO

[steep trench]

idk either

[urban creek]

i had the opposite, tearing when set to fullscreen only, no tearing when set to windowed/fullscreen ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shut dome]

Just have one more training mission to do for the achievement

[slow sparrow]

I cant play this game in long sessions

its cool but

[shut dome]

Oh man the pacing had me hooked

[tight hinge]

Yeah I think if I didn't have a family, I could one shot it

[pliant hemlock]

what's that app again? I'm unfamiliar with it. DC?

[steep trench]

display commander

[cursive minnow]

Lg oleds have 3 peak brightness modes in the OSD under picture settings and use a dynamic tonemapper ( i think newer 4th gens can be made static? im not 100% sure how the setting works on the new panels ) . OFF (uniform on 4th gen), Low, and High. For my LG 27gs93qe-b, Off behaves like sdr. Low is 604 peak ( this is what the EDID reports and is the most "accurate" for my monitor). High is the full 1300 nits in the spec sheets. Windows calibration doesnt play nice with the dynamic tonemapping ( try calibrating with it turned off and see if it clips before 2100) and AFAIK will actually make your hdr worse if you use it the way it tells you to with it turned on. My monitor even clips at the exact 2100 mark as yours but it doesnt even have the same peak values. im not 100% familiar with the new 4th gen panels ability the turn off dynamic tonemapping but i assume they should follow the same behavior more or less with regards to the EDID and the peak brightness settings.

[steep trench]

such a weird decision on monitor. they did good on tv with hgig

[clever chasm]

Except it is 😅 ... it's literally in it. 3440×1440p. 21/9 ratio that's all.

[urban creek]

i think what he means is that 3440x1440 is a bit more demanding than 1440p alone

[clever chasm]

My mistake.

[urban creek]

i am just guessing here, might be wrong

[frigid anvil]

Should i install reshade before or after reframework?

[clever chasm]

Just tried to explain basic propulsion in YouTube comments. So I'm a bit on edge😂

[stray oxide]

doesnt matter. Just do reshade then reframework, they dont overlap in any way

[tame jewel]

when people say 1440p they usually mean 2560x1440, 3440x1440 is 1.5 million pixels more, not exacly the same

[clever chasm]

Maybe, but they would be wrong. In the end you get the same amount of pixel in the same space. You just got more space. Doesn't change how much details are in you're picture. Just got more picture.

This a ratio diference.

And though it does change resolution, it doesn't change definition.

[urban creek]

1440p is not the same as uwqhd , just saying ...

[clever chasm]

In performance ? No. But from a visual stand point, the difference is not in definition.

[tame jewel]

Names are just weird, 4k for example isn't even right because the horizontal, which is what it's supposed to refer to, is technically 3840, it's all just arbitrary, when people say 1440p they mean 16:9 99% of the time

[slow sparrow]

The earth is flat and path tracing is a must

[clever chasm]

I'll agree it's definitely confusing🥲 . Especially since marketing and techies get mixed up. It's pretty annoying... from what I understand though 4k was originally a cinematic format with 4048 horizontal pixels. But then again why the hell horizontal. It's a mess alright .

[bronze ether]

What is Reno council opinion on Shadow Cache? Should we keep it on or off (if VRAM is not an issue)?

[tame quail]

Off tanks the framerate

[tame quail]

Vanilla brightness -7 / renoDX (400 nits peak)

Needs a hue shift

[rustic sail]

-Sippy cups in 5120x1440.- 👀

[tame quail]

Not a problem with 1k nits peak

[bronze ether]

can Shadow Cache ON make game look worse? looks not as good as with it OFF.

[frigid anvil]

just checking, is there anything i can do to improve the ray tracing? path tracing is too much but i got some performance to spare

[tame quail]

https://youtu.be/ity4ts6tvzY

[tame quail]

You need to wait for JoHien's mod

[frigid anvil]

any idea on what it will do?

[frigid anvil]

thanks

[frosty gust]

I can add hue correction

[frigid anvil]

that is a big improvement

[arctic glen]

theres a few easy settings if you play around with the tweaks script I think

same with RE9 RT

they just kind of gimped it for some reason

[manic jacinth]

Man the second level is demanding AF. I drop 20fps there vs the rest of the areas

[manic jacinth]

Consoles

[arctic glen]

perhaps cause their PT runs well, RT is secondary

[manic jacinth]

Capcom always does this

RT is console tuned and capped

[arctic glen]

it seems like there are so many simple settings that dont cost much and are a big improvement

🤷

[blissful merlin]

@manic jacinth And Radeon

[manic jacinth]

Huh?

[manic jacinth]

If they cost even a bit I guess they just can’t fit it in the console budget, dunno. Or maybe they are just incompetent

[slow sparrow]

There hasn't been one good RE engine game with good RT implementation

At least PT exists tbh

But thats also nvidia capped

[blissful merlin]

@slow sparrow The RT in Capcom games is designed for Radeon graphics tech as that's what powers the Playstation and Xbox consoles, and that's why their RT sucks

[slow sparrow]

Yeah I figured, sadly a big downgrade ):

Because RT itself can look really good imo

[blissful merlin]

Go look at the RT in that game Blackstate, the devs designed the game with a 3080 as the base instead of w/e Radeon APU the consoles use

[shut dome]

space suit for Diana! love it!

fucking nightmare fuel lol

[blissful merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LgvVL0FF98

[cinder oyster]

Sorry if you already answered, but you have vsync off? You will get tearing if you're that close to your monitor's max refresh rate if you don't have vsync on, you have to use it

[tame quail]

consoles at 60fps

on base ps5

[steep trench]

that is literally why im talking and testing about. they said they get no tearing when vsync off when under maximum refresh rate and within vrr range.

[midnight stag]

just got the game and tested this. I think there's something wrong with DC (maybe latest versions?) It's not capping at all, just cap it to 60 and you'll see. Only the option for "pace generated frames" works, and it caps well, super smooth , good frame pacing

[steep trench]

weird. tho i also tried relimiter it is still the same.

[midnight stag]

looks the same to me oO

[midnight stag]

hmm maybe something in this game? first time I'm seeing this issue, but yeah, try what I said, works perfectly and great frame pacing. But any other option (default low latency, dcpacelocks etc) just don't cap at all

[cinder oyster]

ah okay yeah they're mistaken. depends how close you are to your refresh rate. you probably won't notice any tearing at 90 fps without vsync, but 110-120 you definitely will

[arctic glen]

I have never had to actively try to fix tearing because it just never happens ... I think there may have been a couple cases/configurations where I got tearing but its so rare

granted I don't usually operate near VRR cap in most games

[steep trench]

yea i tried pace native frame too, it doesn look less distracting but still some barely noticeable tearing

[steep trench]

ahh maybe thats why. ig thats how they wont get tearing if they use 240hz monitor or so

[steep trench]

iirc ur monitor should be 165hz, so u mostly running at about 100fps?

[arctic glen]

usually 100-140 depending

[midnight stag]

why dont you have vsync on btw? I didn't see any tearing btw, only saw the framerate go over 120 unless I used that option

[arctic glen]

driver vsync often seems to grief alt tabbing IIRC

[steep trench]

just curious people can play without tearing when vsync off so probably something wrong on my end. i indeed didnt find any noticeable difference when vsync on with vrr tho. no way u cant see the tearing in those recording lol there are all tearing except the last one with vsync on lol

[midnight stag]

@steep trench are you using the latest streamline 2.11.1 and 310.6 dlls? I wonder if FG is breaking reflex or vsync? Cause this is the first time I've seen this happen in a game and I've updated all dlls. Haven't tested other games

[midnight stag]

hmm haven't had any issue personally, at least on the games I've alt tabbed

[arctic glen]

I usually alt tab about 1000 times in most games

[midnight stag]

I said I dont see any tearing on my end, not on your vids

[steep trench]

i forgot are they replaced or not when i testing lol but im now using 310.6 and 2.11.1

[midnight stag]

just wondering cause I read something about vsync in the changelogs. I've never seen this happen, basically DC essentially broke reflex and stops frame capping unless you use those 2 options, I didnt test with vanilla dlls though. Could be game specific also, more inclined to that but it's interesting

[steep trench]

ahh, it is really slightly tearing using pace native frame but i can def tell the difference between vsync on and off, the screen looks like jelly when it tearing

[steep trench]

i only getting alt tabbing black screen when setting global vsync on and per game off

[manic jacinth]

For vsync best practice is global off and per game on

Helps with VRR

[tight hinge]

Personally I set it on globally at driver level and off in game....and always have a good time

Never any problem alt tabbing, never problems with vrr

Just sharing my experience

[arctic glen]

idk for me I only use it if it noticeably improves input latency in a specific game, otherwise it tends to cause more problems and has no noticeable benefit, and I end up with issues in some of my IDEs on alt tab

[shut dome]

This game is so beautiful

[midnight stag]

I've always used global on with no issues

[meager walrus]

IIRC Windows Calibration isn't used by RenoDX
just put the peak at 1200 and that's it.
I do that with my LG 27" that has the same EDID metadata and issues

[manic jacinth]

It also works. It’s what I used to do. But Kalaiden had said per game is better. Wouldn’t know the exact details lol

[steep trench]

i used to global vsync on too but found there are probably some bug between mpv video sync makes it doing some weird stuffs so i put it back to 3d application on global now and per game vsync

[midnight stag]

But does framerate go above 120 like your vids with pace native frames?

[steep trench]

forgot to check lol might give it a look tmr

[tame jewel]

This motherfucker must have eyes at the side of his head like a horse

[shut dome]

Hehe

https://x.com/merrydawg/status/2046622614374989842?s=46

Lucius Merryweather 🖊️🐶 ASTRALINE (@Merrydawg)

I am disgusted. I honestly thought better of Capcom as a company. I can't believe they would put AI art in Pragmata.

X · Apr 21, 2026, 4:10 PM

Hahahaha

[midnight stag]

does FG Preset B even do anything in this game? Looks exactly the same to me oO
Running RR Preset E on Quality + 5 PT Bounces + CullingAngle 0 + Shadows Res on Ultra
Did see a bit of boiling at the beginning but then not much anymore. I do see quite a lot of artifacts on hologram displays, Preset A or B or Default (not sure if default is just A?) don't seem to change that at all

Performance is excellent but there are a couple of tiny stutters here and there though, kinda like RE9

[south owl]

As of March 31st, 2026, some Enhanced Frame Generation supported games include Borderlands 4, Dragon Age: The Veilguard, EA SPORTS F1® 25, God of War Ragnarök, Hogwarts Legacy, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle™, Marvel’s Spider-Man 2, Monster Hunter Wilds, Star Wars Outlaws™, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered, and The Outer Worlds 2.
preset B supports another capcom game so maybe it does something in pragmata as well https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-app-dlss-4-5-dynamic-multi-frame-generation-available-now/

[midnight stag]

hmm I literally saw 0 difference oO I was mainly looking at the holographic displays in the shelter turning around when looking at them and artifacts galore all the same

[south owl]

MFG issue maybe

happens with x2 too?

[midnight stag]

Only using FG 2x

just look at the upgradable stations in the shelter (holographic displays) one orange and one blue and just turn the camera around and look at them, it's not a mega deal breaker, I see no breakage anywhere else, but those types of materials (holographic) do glitch a bit

https://youtu.be/WVA9qFrKOBE?si=K5jFN6uy4zxOpAKO&t=3728

or this one that comes out of your suit for e.g.

[south owl]

you could downgrade to Dlssfg CNN then

it generally does look better

if you have dlss swapper just select v3.8.1

[midnight stag]

True, was just mostly asking if others do see that

[dusk oyster]

The only thing Preset B for FG does is eliminate UI ghosting.

[dusk oyster]

You can tell if it's working because the DLSS overlay will show UIR: ON

So yea, it does work in PRAGMATA

[eternal nacelle]

How do you disable radiance cache with the latest RenoDX version? The setting is gone now?

[dusk oyster]

It's not a RenoDX feature

[eternal nacelle]

Went back to the one zone and it's crashing like it did in the past

I mean it was toggled within Reno previously, no?

[dusk oyster]

It's a plugin for REFramework, has nothing to do with RenoDX

[eternal nacelle]

Ahhh yeah that's it lmao sorry

brains dead

[urban creek]

[pallid imp]

https://github.com/praydog/REFramework/pull/1724

[eternal nacelle]

Getting shit mixed up with the Crimson tweaks

Yeah disabled it already thanks

[dusk oyster]

Yea, that update is immediately noticeable.

[eternal nacelle]

Oh nice, should probably update that then too

Did that update also resolve the radiance cache with it, that you know of?

[frosty gust]

closed without being merged

[pallid imp]

https://github.com/praydog/REFramework/commit/0a74333ac76774884724bbac2ad7fefba702b6a3

Good ol' one liner fix

[frosty gust]

[dull tusk]

This fixes the stutter with mfg?

[shut dome]

Hahahaha

[worldly flint]

How do you use this? Is it in REF?

[fierce crow]

I got this. It's driving me nuts.

[south owl]

ref with either or both of the following scripts dropped into the autorun folder #1475553827255222486 message

[worldly flint]

Many thanks

[gilded acorn]

Does this mean it the stutters and vrr flickers are fixed without using DC or Relimiter?

[midnight stag]

interesting, I didn't notice that flag! Cause all the other ones are the same between both presets! Yeah it might be working but I see 0 difference 😄

[midnight stag]

oh! NICE

[midnight stag]

hmm so only for MFG? : [

[frail glen]

do you actually run lowest shadows with PT? benchmarking says it makes no difference then should give a few more fps maybe

[civic juniper]

.

[midnight stag]

😂

[midnight stag]

I asked this in U+ but maybe someone here knows? Any idea why nvngx_dlss dlls are smaller from latest streamline sdk 2.11.1 compared to what Swapper grabs which I believe is from techpowerup or nvidias server? This includes RR dll also, almost 20MB difference each. Both 310.6.0, both dvs production tags etc

Not sure which one should really be using?

[charred crypt]

The driver/OTA DLL has the old CNN models still, which are deprecated otherwise

[midnight stag]

aaah makes sense

[arctic glen]

I answered you pretty sure

and yeah thats why

[steel coral]

@arctic glen since youre mostly familiar with ReLimiter - does it increase latency due to limiting DMFG to VRR? It would make sense if it did, because it limits your base fps?

Also, a question specifically for Pragmata, DMFG doesn’t hit my VRR so it runs 6x constantly - would you recommend to change it to fixed 6x to let ReLimiter manage frame pacing or leave it DMFG on and only tick DMFG support on in the settings?

[arctic glen]

no, I run max cause it improves the fallback shadow maps

[arctic glen]

I didnt do the DMFG stuff, but you can ask rank in #1474481327691665553

the intended DMFG path is to tick the box

and turn on DMFG

[slate marsh]

Always use driver V-Sync with DLSS Frame Generation, yes

The only exception is DYNAMIC Multi Frame Generation but that's only because it's incompatible and Nvidia said they're working on compatibility

[frail glen]

That's what I always did but I was told here that it's better to use vsync off and use a limiter like relimiter or dc, so that's what I use now

[midnight stag]

in theory the rule of thumb has been to have driver level vsync on because there can always be overshoots. AFAIK framelimiting isn't like an audio brickwall limiter

I might be wrong tho

[slate marsh]

Framerate limiting doesn't catch all frametime variances which is what driver level V-Sync helps with when G-Sync is active

Right now it's just Dynamic Frame Generation that simply won't work with it

[arctic glen]

I just tend to get more problems in more games if you force it on globally, so I would do it per game if it doesnt cause a problem

[frail glen]

Do you then use relimiter on top of vsync?

[arctic glen]

I dont really use vsync

unless a game significantly benefits from it for some reason

forcing it on globally I get latency issues or fps loss in some games, and issues with hardware accelerated windows locking up when I alt tab

I think the latter is a windows problem that can be fixed with a regedit though...

I will turn on in game vsync for some UE games though cause sometimes it significantly decreases latency when you do that, like in Stalker 2

I am probably an outlier cause I swap between tons of games constantly and alt tab 1000 times a day 🤷

[rustic sail]

Nope, that's 1:1 my experience with vsync modernly.

[granite blaze]

Nah I’m with you

[frail glen]

Well shit I still don't know what to use for this game specifically. I use FG so do I turn on vsync in driver and limit with relimiter or only one or the other. Why is this so complicated lol

[left bison]

fg on, driver vsync on per-profile, let reflex do its job

[frail glen]

Thanks will try that

Btw why does it matter if it's globally or per profile, I thought it does the same

[left bison]

forcing just about anything globally is a bad idea, it's no wonder people were discussing issues regarding it above

causes vrr to trigger on apps that weren't designed for it

also ingame vsync is fine the vast majority of the time, just not in this case because fg forces it off

exceptions are like, some older unity games that force on a frame limiter when ingame vsync is off

[tame jewel]

how do you install this fix?

[left bison]

you install the latest nightly ref build

[timid granite]

I like how you can see rgb subpixel layout in the shelter on the large screens

they didn't have to make it that detailed 💀

[frail glen]

I just thought these limiter apps where good to use but idk if they're only viable without using FG or vsync.

[left bison]

assuming the game doesnt have any framerate-related stability issues i cant ever really tell the difference

i will never pass an a/b test of just regular fg vs pace native frames

[sharp mortar]

I have random periodic stutter, it feels like some sort of traversal stutter. I’m on 13600k and 4090. Did any of you encounter something similar?

[manic jacinth]

Does it cost performance? The preset B

[manic jacinth]

It does?

[manic jacinth]

I barely have any stutters and 0 flicker without any limiter

[manic jacinth]

That effect is INSANE. It’s in every screen in the game. Depends on the angle of view too, it’s so good I would love to know how they did that material

[tame jewel]

They can 3d print an entire city but still have screens with 5ppi

[left bison]

6.6 ENABLING USER INTERFACE RECOMPOSITION

When both Hudless and a UI buffer are tagged, User Interface Recomposition can
be enabled by setting DLSSGOptions::enableUserInterfaceRecomposition = eTrue.

When enabled, the HUD and scene are interpolated separately and composited
later, providing significantly-improved UI interpolation quality.

Using user interface recomposition has a slight performance and memory cost.

this is preset b, it is not a new ml model

there is no point in trying it unless you notice garbled ui in games

[manic jacinth]

Ahhhh gotcha

I asked cause the ui in pragmata is a bit garbled for me

Not a big deal but if it was free perf wise it’s worth a try