PRAGMATA

[shut dome]

im talking about the same

there is a radiance cache option under path tracinng

[strange sage]

what tile size and scale are you using?

[shut dome]

logically that would be the one to use when using path tracing

and the ray tracing one when using ray tracing

but im not sure

[strange sage]

or are those still default? Those are the settings we were saying crash if changed, turning on RC doesn't crash, changing the sub-options does

[shut dome]

not sure what tile size is sorry, I did 5 bounces of PT tho only other thing I changed

no its radiance cache on or off thats it, that was doing it

i was one of the folks who pinpointed this yesterday

[strange sage]

Yeee that's the right way to do it haha

that's what we were talking about

[shut dome]

ah ok

just the path tracing one didnt fuck up for me so far

[latent briar]

Where is this setting?

[tight hinge]

Re framework, need a separate .lua script, don't bother.

[strange sage]

Yee, seems like the PT options for bounces are fine to change, I might test to see what specifically causes crashes with RC options changed

[strange sage]

Need REFramework and the "pragmata_tweaks.lua" script then it appears under Generated UI in the REFramework menu

[strange sage]

#1475553827255222486 message

link to the script file so you don't have to dig for it

[shut dome]

@arctic glen can you pin the latest lua for reframework/pragmata

[strange sage]

good call haha

wait is there a newer one?

[blazing dagger]

didn't some people a few hours ago say that radiance cache leads to crashes?

[fervent frigate]

this is still with Lilium's HDR RCAS?

[shut dome]

yes and no

path tracing one doesnt

and extra PT bounces doesnt

ray tracing one does

there are both ray tracing and path tracing headings with the same toggles

i turned it all off to get past that one crash, but since then no crashes and thats like 4 more hours of playing

[oblique cedar]

Does Radiance Caching work on AMD cards? Hopefully we'll get a noisy path tracing bypass soon!

[plucky axle]

so there's only 1 crash ant its there?

[shut dome]

at least for the ray tracing we have identified yes

only path tracing tested after that

most have just kept it all off

but I am testing with path tracing radiance cache on and PT bounces at 5

I did not use the higher res shadow maps option, I didnt find them to look too bad so I rather save the 2GB of vram

[frail glen]

do you use match hdr or sdr?

[slate marsh]

Can Chromatic Aberration be turned off in this game? I saw a couple screenshots and it looks AWFUL with it

[rain girder]

Yes, and im using it quite heavily since im playing on 4k perofrmance mode most of the time lol.

[frail glen]

Im just tuning that how much you set?

[fervent frigate]

same actually so I'll try it out

[fervent frigate]

set lens distortion to On without CA in the graphics settings, or off you don't like that at all

[fervent frigate]

like this, right?

[shut dome]

yeah!

[native orbit]

I don't recommend using radiance cache, it causes crashes

[shut dome]

path tracing tho has been fine

we were turning on the ray tracing one

[native orbit]

at least one crash i reproduced multiple times

[shut dome]

that was ray tracing radiance cache

[native orbit]

There is only one setting to enable or disable radiance cache

[shut dome]

toggle under path tracing has been ok after that crash

look under ray tracing

its there too

[rain girder]

Ive set it to .935 🥴 which might be too much but I like it.

[shut dome]

that was the one we were originally turning on

[frail glen]

that much, is it so blurry in this game?

[shut dome]

I do not find the game blurry

but I am using DLAA 2160p

turn off bloom and lens flare in the in game options

that ruins the image

[native orbit]

@shut dome can you screenshot your config as i am confused

[blazing dagger]

where / when is that known crash?

[rain girder]

Not sure if its blurry because of the Chromatic arberation or what but im also playing on 4k dlss performance mode. It brings out the details in the suit and the wall panels. It will probably look awful to me tmmrw and ill turn it down lol .

[shut dome]

after the 4th red beacon in fake new york

[blazing dagger]

so basically exactly where I am 😄

[shut dome]

the original instructions posted here showed the ray tracing cachce under the ray tracing options, there is a header you can open for ray tracing too

im not in game atm

[frail glen]

its probably because of ray reconstruction wasnt it the same problem in crimson desert. they need to update that

[shut dome]

I might be wrong and hallucinating like AI lol

Will check once I’m back in

But I’ve had path tracing radiance cache and 5 PT bounces since after getting past that crash. And no issues.

[native orbit]

I fear you are spreading misinformation

[strange sage]

If anything, the correct info would be that it crashes in one spot with RC enabled

[shut dome]

Well I’m telling the truth that post crash spot I’ve had it all on with no issues

[native orbit]

you are thinking about bounces maybe? that had two settings, one under radiance cache and one under PT?

[shut dome]

Maybe will check

[frail glen]

what does radiance cache do anyway?

[shut dome]

But I’m saying after that crash spot I’ve had both on with no issues and am back at the shelter after the Terra dome

[rain girder]

Putting it that high brings out the details in the androids face and the writing on the suit.

[strange sage]

That would make sense, it was mentioned to me that the bounces, tile size, and scale should be kept the same because those cause crashing

specifically under the Radiance Cache tab

[frail glen]

Ill try it Im also on 4k performance with my 5070ti

[strange sage]

bounces under the PT tab seem to be fine according to others here

[shut dome]

yeah sorry, and to be clear I removed reno and reframework to get past the crash, i turned radiance cache and increased bounces again after that with no issues and I am past the terra dome which is the third area

I guess I am saying its safe to turn it all back on after that crash spot

sorry for my poor communication on that

[blazing dagger]

is the crash during a cutscene or should we just not enable it while we're close to the location?

[fervent frigate]

you left lens distortion on?

[shut dome]

I turned that off but that doesnt really cause blur

[native orbit]

The only thing I had enabled was radiance cache, and that caused the crash alone.

There is only one radiance cache toggle as far as I can see

[strange sage]

Fair, so would it be fair to say it seems like it crashes at one specific spot and seems to be stable after that from what @shut dome said?

[native orbit]

I'm pretty sure the RT settings are irrelevant if you are using PT

[shut dome]

Yes correct

My settings

[native orbit]

At the moment you have a multiple users all reporting crash at that one point

[shut dome]

I’m using the new lua too

[native orbit]

i guess most of us turn it off and dont test later levels, also we probably dont have the ray bounces ticked under radiance cache, maybe that helps

[fervent frigate]

you also turn on the ray tracing bounces? aren't you on pt?

[shut dome]

no

I just swear the original LUA had that and maybe that was the mix up

notice im using the newer one called lite too

mmmmmm new suit

finally starting to play today

[native orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[stark cave]

where do you get the latest LUA ? and where do you put that file ? I have nothing under scripted UI

Thnx

I dont have that pragmata setting at the bottom...

[fervent frigate]

latest file: #1475553827255222486 message

install reframework and then put that file in:
PRAGMATA\reframework\autorun

[stark cave]

thank you vm

[native orbit]

The two script versions are identical AFAIK, maybe the new one has shadow resolution as well but you really need to be careful about VRAM in this game

I am pushing 16GB in the second area and i dont even have the in game settings maxed out

[native orbit]

Just be warned, if you use radiance cache you might get a crash and lose a fair amount of progress due to this game's save system

[fervent frigate]

that crash happens right here

[native orbit]

Yeah i can reproduce it again, with exact same settings as @shut dome

[fervent frigate]

@shut dome I think your settings are wrong

[native orbit]

So the question now I think is are later levels safe? because the entire first level was fine

[steep trench]

u can try it urself im gonna turn back on after that spot, the performance increase is huge for me

[urban creek]

roughly ~10%

[steep trench]

from smooth dlss quality x2 fg (on) to laggy dlss balanced x2 fg (off)

[native orbit]

yeah i do miss the perf boost but im not sure if i have the patience to test it further without a good autosave

[steep trench]

i think the save point is enough for me to not minding those progress lost if i unlock those shortcut door

[stark cave]

So with PT and settings to max and the shadow tweak in reframework at ultra and 5 PT bounce and RC activated I am using 18gb of VRAM so far on my 4090

Game looks nuts

Obviously I am not far enough to have experience any crashes

Thats on DLSS quality 4K averaging 80-125 fps no issues

FGx2 offcourse

[steep trench]

my poor 4080s gonna keep at 3 unless there is a screenshot convince me there is a difference between 3 and 5

[shut dome]

Oh what should I change?

[arctic glen]

yeah there is one spot where radiance cache crashes, idk about other spots

I have been turning it on and off

[shut dome]

Should I only have one of these ray bounces on?

[arctic glen]

no its fine

at least through the dome there is only one place I have had a crash from it, and I really want those extra 10 frames lol

but yeah no autosaving kinda means its frustrating to risk

[modest stirrup]

Once you know where the crash point is, it’s pretty easy to avoid I think or just revert settings before passing it. And the hard fight is one time only, once it’s done and you managed to save, it doesn’t occur again.

[plucky axle]

we need to restart the game to do on/off that right?

[ivory stirrup]

But only in wired mode or is there a workaround?

[arctic glen]

nah it can be changed live

[ivory stirrup]

So 3 is about optimal? What are the game defaults?

[ivory stirrup]

So what exactly does this cache do and why is it not ingame by default? I'm new to reengine

[arctic glen]

cause its not really fully implemented

can look worse in some places, better in others

rare crashes in specific places

[shut dome]

New Diana outfit!

[ivory stirrup]

Implemented by engine itself, the game dev side, or modder side?

[arctic glen]

engine itself

I mean they seem to have mostly implemented it

but its not fully fleshed out

[rain girder]

I’m playing on a 4090 and I’m not really seeing any performance improvement from using radiance cache. I’m roughly around the area where people are crashing. Is it because I’m not hitting vram limit ?

[arctic glen]

its about 10% perf increase

[ivory stirrup]

Since when is it a thing and how does it work in other games? So it's just a toggle but they dont enable it? And it's not enabled in any of their games yet on default?

[arctic glen]

its like sharc in cyberpunk or nvidia PT games

which is enabled in all those

[ivory stirrup]

Never heard of sharc either

[frank jetty]

I didn't see that much of an improvement on 5080 also, but FPS is already high enough so that might be it

[ivory stirrup]

FG on or off? I'm not using fg so it'll hopefully be good for me but I'm also not maxing out on vram

[steep trench]

game default is 3 ig

[arctic glen]

3 is default yeah, slight difference going to 5

[frank jetty]

I guess if you are running game at 40-50 FPS and want a bit more to turn on fg and have it more stable, yeah makes sense, but if you are already hitting above 60 then it becomes just ok

[ivory stirrup]

And ya'll are running the game with RT settings maxed = 3 rays?

[arctic glen]

yeah I often drop to a 45 or 50 base at dlss quality 5k x 2k in some areas, I am also using higher res shadows though

[rain girder]

I am using framegen on 4k performance mode and getting 106 fps in the NY area. Regardless of radiance cache on or off.

[frank jetty]

I removed the script for now at least, since game is running smooth

[steep trench]

always wired for haptic, DSX mentioned they r gonna make a driver for wireless but it already been months so i dont count on it

[zinc ermine]

Confirming that I've crashed here twice in a row

[arctic glen]

yeah you would have to turn it off to not crash

in that spot

[zinc ermine]

it's annoying because the fight immediately prior is the toughest non boss fight in the game up till that point

[arctic glen]

yeah lol

[frank jetty]

I've been waiting for that also, that they will make it emulate as if it's wired and you can have it unwired, but nothing so far, for example, Ff7 rebirth haptics just works wired. So I always use that game as a demo to try dsx to see if they implemented it

[ivory stirrup]

Are haptics TRIGGERS often used in game or just rare cases or maybe too much? Got any opinions fun feature or annoying? The only game where it was really big for me was Returnal (dual firing modes)

[steep trench]

u can speed run to that same spot tho

ignore all the mobs

[arctic glen]

the first time getting to it feels like a big effort though and losing the progress feelsbadman

[tight hinge]

I love the cooling on the MSI Suprim Liquid 5090 - game is nearly pulling 600W and I don't break 60C

[steep trench]

yea true lol

[ivory stirrup]

You guys think game could use some patches or hot fixes or seems like good to start playing?

[arctic glen]

game seems good as is tbh

[tight hinge]

It's probably th smoothest launch I can remember

[plucky axle]

so this chace can be activated on cyberpunk too?

[tight hinge]

Just play it

[steep trench]

idk i just feel they making promises for too long already, not having hope on it.

[frank jetty]

It seems good and stable, and gameplay is so fun

[arctic glen]

cyberpunk already uses a radiance cache by default

[frank jetty]

Yeah

[steep trench]

just a gimmick implement in this game i would say. nothing like returnal that has actual function. but i think this is how most of the games implement this feature

[arctic glen]

why is returnal so goated

[tight hinge]

Spiderman 2 implements it pretty nicely

I actually had to turn the intensity down. My aging hands

[ivory stirrup]

Only reason the sequel might be the last game I buy on ps5pro for a while, I have trust in it since it was indeed so goated

[arctic glen]

returnal feels bad to play cause it makes every other game feel worse lol

[tight hinge]

That's sekiro 😛

[ivory stirrup]

I was using some app that lets you make your own trigger responses which is kinda fun but it's a fixed function always active

Works wireless ofc

So I don't get it why they can't make it work wireless officially

[rain girder]

I really liked it in ratchet and clank too. Also has dual firing modes on guns.

[steep trench]

adaptive trigger always working in wireless, only haptic feedback not

i probably would like to play returnal if it got a more cartoon like art style lol sadly those aliens dark art style makes me uncomfortable 🙁

[tight hinge]

I just wish returnal wasn't a rogue light. I never get on well with them

My monkey brain needs linear progress

[steep trench]

if it is not punishing too much im good with that. hades did that perfectly.

[ivory stirrup]

Hey you should give it a try still because roguelite is not a roguelike and there is linear progress in a sense of:

• your starting gear levels and unlocks level up as you progress/fail
• there is metroidvania style unlocks that ease your progression in future runs so you power up faster

It's not as punishing as you might think, don't believe the criticisms too much

[steep trench]

the resource lost death punishment is also the reason why i dont like playing dead cells lol

[ivory stirrup]

Game is beatable in one single run if you're really good (my friend did it first time playing I watched him), and I beat my first entire playtrough in less than 10 deaths. Once I got pretty deep I wasn't dying anymore, it was just a few dumb deaths early

Returnal is way shorter and "easier" than something like dead cells, you shouldn't skip on it if roguelite "aren't your thing"

[steep trench]

yea def better than dead cells, i only dont like returnal because of the art style so it doesnt help

[shut dome]

What does tile size do?

[loud hatch]

the bosses in this game are extra hard compared. Difficulty diffierence versus regular enemies is massive

[ivory stirrup]

Btw really cool thing about the game and the artstyle (kinda spoilerish maybe?) ||it's one of those "it was all in your head" games and once the revelation hits and you connect all the mistery and nonsense in the world it hits really good||

[steep trench]

exactly what i said before, thought the same😂

[arctic glen]

what I mean about returnal is it just runs super well, looks great, and the inputs feel really good, low input lag, good frame pacing, interacting with the game is super polished

[loud hatch]

imma take a break. rage quit

[arctic glen]

so far I have thought the bosses were kind of too easy? idk

[ivory stirrup]

Just gotta come prepared. If you have a revival item on you (some rng) and stacked up hp it's almost impossible to fail it. I died/lost runs to traps more often than bosses

[arctic glen]

the harder part is when game throws 20 enemies at you for me

[stray oxide]

use multihack

[steep trench]

i watched the full gameplay on youtube so i know how the rest of it in a full run but those still makes me feel sick so i didnt continue lol

[arctic glen]

yeah of course

[unreal terrace]

Anyone getting 6x frame gen or DFG to work? setting flags in nvpi seems to do nothing for me

[loud hatch]

i only have 2 extra health pots. Didnt see upgrade for this back from shelter

[arctic glen]

its just a lot easier to be panicky with a lot of enemies

[ivory stirrup]

Eh that just takes some practice you could actually use the spire game mode to get better dealing with multiples

That one is super fun too just to mess around as well

[arctic glen]

I havent died except for dodging into a lightning circle lol, just mean relative difficulty

[steep trench]

so far ive died once in that crash spot fight and barely died in that second area boss fight lol

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah this happens a lot lol maybe more than getting hit by projectiles, dodging and jumping into stuff

[arctic glen]

girl said jump, I jump into a spinning laser

[steep trench]

dont know what to do with the ||whole map wave|| in the second area boss fight 😂

[arctic glen]

I just ran towards it and tried to dodge through but failed each time and won anyways

[unreal terrace]

wow just got RHI, i've been living like a cave man

[arctic glen]

its become quite a nice tool

[steep trench]

same, lmao

still dont know how to bypass that attack after the fight lol

[winged wharf]

I have installed the RenoDX HDR mod for Pragmata but now it wont launch the game as it does not like the dinput8.dll i put in there

[steep trench]

i found it is hard to capture good screenshot in 32:9 without capture mode

[rain girder]

I took the exact same pic in the same suit lmao

[steep trench]

use RHI to install

save u the hassle

[winged wharf]

I am going to be stupid here, my bad but RHI?

[steep trench]

https://github.com/RankFTW/RHI

[winged wharf]

Wow, I did not know that existed and I have installed RenoDX for so many games, Cheers man!

[tacit wasp]

Anyone playing on a 5080 here? With maxed settings at 4K, DLSS Quality, FG x2, and PT, I’m getting around 60–70 FPS in the starting area. That seems about right, or no?

[loud hatch]

60-70 present fps with fg? Or base fps

[tacit wasp]

present fps with fg

[arctic glen]

there is a channel in this discord too #1474481327691665553

[arctic glen]

4k quality probably a bit much for a 5080, 5k x 2k quality on a beefier 5090 I drop to around 90 sometimes

also have everything heavily overclocked

[tacit wasp]

Alright, I’ll switch to Balanced or Performance for now and just enjoy the game.
Thanks for the quick reply, really appreciate it :3 ❤️

[stray oxide]

does this work for anyone with UW? if i use the Ultrawide fix under Graphics, it zooms in a good chunk, is that on purpose?

[severe roost]

How can I install pragmata tweaks lite?

[stray oxide]

#1475553827255222486 message

u need REFramework ofc

and u put the .lua into the fodler reframework/autorun

[severe roost]

Ty

[shut dome]

Indeed

[ivory stirrup]

why can't i find pragmata in nvidia profile inspector? how do you add it?

[glass shard]

Make a new profile and add the exe

[shut dome]

What does tile size do in reframework? Same settings are as radiance cache etc. and what to set it to as best? Default seems to be 5

[rigid glen]

check the maintain horizontal fov and that should fix it. It's under the ultrawide stuff

[stray oxide]

enable vertical fov alongside the Ultrawide fix makes the fov normal again

[subtle steeple]

@arctic glen so there is a "CullingAngle" and "SolidAngleCullingThreshold" that control the light reflections the default value is 2.5, changing one of them to a lower value improves the distance
left image is 2.5 right image is 1
seems fine for me, unless it breaks anything else

[arctic glen]

ah yeah good find, that makes sense, I forgot to look for culling

Added RT Culling - setting to ~1 does noticeably improve reflections

[eternal nacelle]

Does radiance still crash the game in specific scenarios like before or?

[arctic glen]

still that one spot afaik

[eternal nacelle]

Ah so it's good beyond that?

[native orbit]

has anyone reported a radiance crash beyond that point? would be good to vaguely try and document it

it's so weird it's related to moving across a loading line I assume, it doesn't seem dependent on revealing a new light source

[eternal nacelle]

not that I'm aware of at least I'll turn it back on and report back if I think I run into it again (with testing to make sure it wasn't a normal crash)

Just hit the new zone last night anyway after that area so

[eternal nacelle]

Is that a drop in addition or replacement to the original from early yesterday?

[steep trench]

i like this pre order suit so much but i dont want to use it to ruin the vibe of the story lol

this game art design is soooo good

right on my spot

[arctic glen]

I havent run into one

[steep trench]

does webp support hdr

discord no nitro+ 10MB size limit is so painful

[finite walrus]

so it's after a boss fight in ||new york|| yeah?
just gonna keep it off until after that then

[steep trench]

nope, a fight before that

[rustic sail]

No wonder I never saw the crash lol

[arctic glen]

after big roof fight

[shut dome]

im in the second last area of the game with no crashes since that one spot using radiance cache and extra PT bounces

finally get to explore the moon surface itself, suprised this wasnt earlier lol

game looks incredible, honestly a better showcase of the engine that RE9 since re9 is so drab in comparison and only a couple settings, they go wild here with settings, colors, reflections, path tracing and more, so good

[steep trench]

my fps is getting worse and worse each area dang

[shut dome]

dang, I am holding at 120 the entire time, using frame gen tho

[steep trench]

u got mfg i got only 2x

[shut dome]

yes lol

[finite walrus]

fg turning off in menus is a bit annoying

[shut dome]

so many games do that its annoying as f

[steep trench]

cant tolerate this anymore im gonna use dlss enabler for mfg

[native orbit]

I feel like this is a good thing considering how much it garbles UI. and most menus being transparent won't help

PS thanks for RHI been using it recently and underestimated the value of not having to copy and paste stuff

[maiden needle]

culling

[steel coral]

Not working for me either

[frosty gust]

You didn’t download the add-on version of reshade

The ReShade website has 2 download links

[gilded acorn]

What did change with the update today?

[prisma quest]

New reno update looks like it has slightly different defaults. instead of ACES customized tonemapper theres just ACES and a separate mid gray slider. by default it's on 10.0 to match sdr

[prisma quest]

is this setting also in the full LUA you originally shared here too? what's in the lite compared to the full one now?

[arctic glen]

I dont think it is, the lite version is only the few settings most people would want to change

[prisma quest]

ok gotcha. i never tried any of the scripts yet and was gonna drop the newest one in to see. looks like that might be one of the only settings i'd be able to use since i don't have PT

[arctic glen]

shadows too

[prisma quest]

oh, any recommendations? i'm already using Max shadows setting in-game

im just bringin the menu up now in reframework

saw culling angle at 1 was good, i dnt wanna hurt performance too much since im playing natively (RT blurriness with FSR upscaling way worse)

And wait, Radiance Cache is separate from PT section so can I use that still for performance uplift with regular RT?

hmmm seems Radiance cache has me lose 10-15 FPS

[frosty gust]

radiance cache causes crashes aooarently

[frosty gust]

aces with midgray at 10.0 is equivalent to the old aces customized
aces with midgray at 4.8 is equivalent to the old aces
aces with midgray at 15.0 is the version of aces they use in hdr

[urban creek]

thx for spoiling it , damn man ...

straight up posting pics from the end of the game ....

[shut dome]

It’s nothing spoilery?

I’m sorry 😞

[urban creek]

https://tenor.com/view/lewissaunderson-don't-how-why-sad-gif-7700427524811760800

[steep magnet]

@stray oxide can u pls send me pragmata tweaks the full ver. not the lite one pls

[steep magnet]

thank u i really appreciate it

[cyan swift]

is the on PC? because I restrained from buying it because a lot of steam reviews said it runs very poorly on pc.

[cyan swift]

what Renodx settings are you using again?

[ivory stirrup]

whats the difference between old tweaks and lite?

[arctic glen]

1000 settings versus like 7 relevant ones

[bronze ether]

Can you please share a save with Lunatic difficulty unlocked?
Want to start playing at a proper difficulty level from the get go.

[arctic glen]

yeah PC

[steep trench]

how much performance lost for that reflection adjust

[ivory stirrup]

anyone know is it possible to change the font color (or brightness) in reframework UI to something that doesn't burn your eyes on high nit displays?

[ivory stirrup]

Any other tweaks we should be using besides radiance cache?

I can still see boiling with PT RR on and preset E... Shouldn't E fix that?

as I thought my inspector settings didn't go trough

[shut dome]

I don’t think anyone feels this game is easy?

It gets very tough with large groups of enemies and the red rooms are tough too

I wouldn’t be too worried?

[ivory stirrup]

I can't force preset E in this game, help

E works if I disable PT but not with PT/RR on am I missing something?

[bronze ether]

I play games with slowmo/bullet-time via Cheat Engine speedhack toggle, so red rooms won't bother me much. It's like true cinematic matrix-style experience. so, can you upload a save please?

[shut dome]

lol

No one here is done the game yet

[steep trench]

just confirming u r forcing RR not SR to preset E?

[bronze ether]

it's relative short game + hypervisor was available 2 days before release.

[steep trench]

emmm using CE and saying this game too easy

[shut dome]

Sir this is a Reno DX server not a savegames and cheats server lol

[shut dome]

We don’t pirate games???

Just go search for one. No one here has finished the game

[bronze ether]

nobody asks you to. we're just community of gamers.

[cyan swift]

You can force preset E with DLSS Swapper

[ivory stirrup]

Yes. As in other recent games, not using RR to get rid of RT noise makes everything 🤮

I would be fine using basic RT but it's just too noisy (needs RR)

Still some boiling on D, trying to swap. Ok so you day DLSS swapper let me try that

[ivory stirrup]

Do I need to swap to a specific dll?

[cyan swift]

You dont need to swap dlls unless you want to update to the lastest you just need to set ray reconstruction preset to E in pragmata settings.

[ivory stirrup]

I set it in profile inspector but no worky

[cyan swift]

Nvidia APP can override the games Dlls anyway so you dont need to swap

[cyan swift]

It worked for me with Dlss swapper you can verify with the dlss indicator you enable on windows register

[ivory stirrup]

Yep it's still on D

[cyan swift]

Can you check if Nvidia App is overriding it? nvidia app forces Preset D if you have it on recommended

[ivory stirrup]

Good call that's probably it

[arctic glen]

RR override must be per game and not global as well

[obsidian axle]

Preset E better then D here bro?

[arctic glen]

much

D is pretty bad for this game

[ivory stirrup]

Still stuck on D, I don't know what else I could try 😔

[obsidian axle]

Should I increase ray bounce?

[arctic glen]

did you set global to default and specifically pragmata to E

[arctic glen]

not a huge difference, slight difference up to 5

[ivory stirrup]

Global where? Nvidia app doesn't even recognise the game but I added it anyway and set to this:

[obsidian axle]

Can u post the latest LUA script bro?

[arctic glen]

SR preset is not related

[obsidian axle]

why don't u use NPI?

[ivory stirrup]

I did but it doesn't work

[arctic glen]

post global RR preset and pragmata RR preset screenshot from nvpi

[arctic glen]

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[ivory stirrup]

Just a sec, it looks like after updating the drivers a new profile appeared in NPI (it didn't detect.thebgame before I had to manually add it)

No it's still in D

[heady karma]

you're forcing SR to preset E, you need to force RR

[ivory stirrup]

oh shit

i just realised it too

theres another one down there

lesson learned 😅

[blissful phoenix]

Is there a way to turn on rr using RT with the script?

[jovial crag]

quick question, is "RenoDX Commander" and RHI "Reshade HDR Installer" the same thing?

[blissful phoenix]

Yes

[jovial crag]

ty!

[ashen shale]

Does anybody have the same issue: It seems that PT is not enabled and Screen Space Reflections are still handling everything. GPU is somewhat utilized, but I have no idea why this is happening.

[arctic glen]

you can try with this one

[blissful phoenix]

Thanks! I'll test it in a few hours

[ivory stirrup]

it stopped working after system reboot i dont know anymore whats up with this 😭

[heady karma]

You don't have the game exe in the profile

[ivory stirrup]

what the heck

[heady karma]

Press the icon with a + and add it

[ivory stirrup]

oh god you're right there's 2 of them now

[round flame]

isnt preset e just going to add a lot of ghosting like it did with re9?

[heady karma]

Doesn't seem to and D boils badly

[round flame]

guess ill give it a shot too

[ivory stirrup]

finally fixed and yes, D boils but not as bad as anything else with PT/RR off that shit is just disgusting and unplayable

[round flame]

oh yeah E does look quite a bit better

sick

[rain girder]

Some up close shots 🤖

[urban creek]

@shut dome Crimson Desert LOD's all over again ... look at the wall and the clock or the pictures .... stunning Capcom xD

[drowsy barn]

Can anyone clarify for me - am I supposed to adjust the in-game hdr brightness settings after installing Reno, or should I just leave everything at default?

[hearty rampart]

just leave it alone, it doesnt apply. reno overrides them

[drowsy barn]

Appreciate it!

[clever chasm]

That doesn't even look like LOD stuff. Isn't there any fonky VRS type fuckeries going on in this game maybe ?

Maybe even low res post processing nonsense.

That's not low detail

That's just freakin pixelated.

[urban creek]

it's so far only this wall in that rem section

you can see the difference better in that shot when you zoom in

[clever chasm]

Well if that's the only fonky place, we might just be alright lol😅

[shut dome]

Whyyyyy lol

[urban creek]

was kidding, only found one wall like that so far

but it was obvious once it popped up

[clever chasm]

There's a lot of missing shadows here. I am guessing this might not be a PT screenshot

[urban creek]

funny thing, it is

[clever chasm]

You're kidding right

[urban creek]

nope

looks like that in other places

that whole room looks off to me

[clever chasm]

That is more in line with what I would expect. But (in your other screenshot) how the hell can you end up with such a flatt picture when you're path tracing the damn thing ?

[urban creek]

it's a reward that you get ingame, i dunno, looks like a different game in the safe room

[clever chasm]

My guess is that background might as well be a jpeg at this point lol

[urban creek]

some sort of maybe, yes

doesn't reflect the quality of the game at all

[clever chasm]

Good to know !

[urban creek]

it's just a wierd spot now in my safe room that bugs me

[clever chasm]

There we go ! Not flat. That's what we like ! The stair stepping is somewhat insane though. There's definitely some weird "day-one dead space remake" VRS nonsense going on here.

Hopefully, @arctic glen will fix

[urban creek]

no, not flat at all but in the main game hub area ... well, it is what it is

which stair stepping do you mean ?

[clever chasm]

What do you mean😅 there isn't a single clean line in your shot 😂 .

[urban creek]

hey, it's not 4k xD

[clever chasm]

1080p ?

[urban creek]

uwqhd 3440x1440

[clever chasm]

Then that's still weird.

[urban creek]

dlss q and fg 3x on top

base fps are ~ 40-50

[clever chasm]

Maybe I'm just zooming like madman

I'm on phone after all

I might be over compensating

[urban creek]

when zoom in it warps to stairway to heaven , yes

it's for sure more blurry compared to 4k

dlaa would make it a bit better but then my fps crash hard

[clever chasm]

Meh, I don't think it's that blurry.

[urban creek]

if you used to 4k and dlaa it might look that way

[clever chasm]

Not at all. I'm a 1440p boy

[urban creek]

i also think it's fine, i am glad i can even play it with path tracing

[clever chasm]

Just used to dlss being very good at smoothing lines

[urban creek]

that might be a bit because of framegen, or not ?

it makes the picture a bit more blurry

[clever chasm]

Agreed ! I did hear PT was surprisingly performant.

[ivory stirrup]

Are you guys using 2.2 or lower aces min nits? What does that even mean?

[urban creek]

i left it on default at 2.2

[clever chasm]

2.2 is gamma logically.

Typically the way to go

[urban creek]

lower aces doesn't look ok on my display

[clever chasm]

Once again I don't find those lines blurry. I just find them a bit pixelated.

[steep trench]

playing on 4k dlss performance looks wayyyyyy better than on 1440p dlss balanced

[urban creek]

i guess we meant the same thing

[ivory stirrup]

True even 4k ultra looks very good in most games

[steep trench]

even with the 42"/27"(16:9) difference

[urban creek]

internal resolution matters

4k performance should be a higher internal base resolution compared to 1440p balanced

[steep trench]

ys, 1440p quality has lower resolution than 4k performance

i think i might just find one day to sell my 32:9 and switch back to my c2 as main display

[urban creek]

hard to believe you even think about going back

[steep trench]

this 32:9 is too harsh for my 4080s

[urban creek]

upgrade the 4080, not downgrade displays

[steep trench]

if i still got a job and the display card price is not that crazy but both not happening in lifetime

i didnt even consider 4090 at that time when i build my pc, that price is insane

[urban creek]

i miss the days where i could get a top tier gpu for below 1k

now you get a 70 tier card for that

[steep trench]

true and it will only getting even worse, so switching back the display is a better choice ig

[urban creek]

it will hurt

[steel coral]

This all the way, I bought 32:9 before I upgraded my 2070 super (LOL I know), I’ll never go back

[steep trench]

choose my poison again either blurry balanced 1440p lower fps or sharp dlss performance 4k 16:9 lower peak brightness higher fps

[steel coral]

Also did anyone manage to make FG 6x to work? Mine maxes up at 4x

[steel coral]

You could install optiscaler and adjust the scaling resolution to your liking

[urban creek]

do you really wanna go that route ? o.O

[steel coral]

I gotta use all that 240hz loll

120 fps with path tracing is not enough for me

Hitting almost max ref rate with rt only

[steep trench]

it is about my 4080s cant handle it otherwise i could just use quality for less hurting my eyes 32:9 1440p is just barely less pixels than 4k, and PT dlss q is def not suitable for 80 cards

[urban creek]

i see, makes sense, i sit on a 144Hz panel scratching that 138 cap

[steep trench]

poor 120hz and cant even reach 80fps with fg here

[hidden pond]

does dlss perf look bad in 2k?

[steep trench]

ys especially without transformer 2 model, means RR looks bad

even balanced is blurry af

[steel coral]

Im running it on balanced rn because I can’t go back from preset L as well I’ll have to run rcas with PT if I manage to make this x6 FG to work

[fervent frigate]

6x FG is easy to install, you're having trouble?

[steep trench]

im using rcas 0.75 with performance and it already good enough for me, ig because i got blur my eyes with that 1440p balanced too much

[steel coral]

Yeah, making changes in nvpi doesn’t seem to work for me, it maxes up at 4x

[fervent frigate]

yes you need the latest streamline files as well

[fervent frigate]

that yes

[steep trench]

i dont have 6xfg so i cant test it for u but ig u need this

[steel coral]

If your priority is to get a bit more fps, I’d advise to actually try adjusting the base upscaling resolution using optiscaler - I managed to find out that you can tinker a bit with it without giving up that much on quality, since dlss is already running on such a low base resolution that it looks ass either way lol

[steep trench]

https://ngx.download.nvidia.com/d6e9b45e-d4f6-4a84-a460-bf61decae3e8/org/nvidia/team/ngx/models/sl_sdk_0/versions/133888/files/1B0_E658703.zip
original link if u worry about security

[steel coral]

So its not enough to just override FG with nvpi, like you do with DLSS upscaler? Overriding the upscalet actually works for me

[steel coral]

Ty

[fervent frigate]

exactly, that only overrides the main dlss file, but you also need the streamline

[steep trench]

if i need to lower the resolution i could even turn down to performance which i think balanced is already blurry af for me so i might just give up on this

[fervent frigate]

make sure your settings is like this. adjust it as you see fit though

I have a 240Hz display, and dynamic mode tends to overshoot, so I set a 220 FPS cap to stay below the monitor's refresh rate

[ivory stirrup]

Is using noise slider better in this game than the shadows slider? Anyone tried it out? I quite like it a lot tbh

Default/noise100/shadow75

(I like using noise50)

I dislike games that are too dark on the shadows (even if not crushing) so for this screenshot I'm using lower aces instead of 2.2 as well. It fixes black floor but doesn't (almost) crush the shadows. It's just better for clarity and gameplay imho

Screenshots look more crushed than ingame as usual, don't know why this happens. But on my end I have full detail in the shadows on that black cube

[tame jewel]

this dude can see the speed of light

[ivory stirrup]

I'm experimenting with locked 60 in ultra perf instead of perf+fg on my end. So far can't tell the resolution drop. The above screens are on ultra perf as well

[steel coral]

Yeah I got the same problem with some other game, 5x is fine but 6x tends to overshoot it to 230-240. Also, do I have to swap all .dll files from the zip file?

[charred crypt]

do you mean when viewing them in Discord? Probably because the screenshot brightness still scales with the Windows SDR brightness slider when they're viewed in Discord instead of SKIV, so they're likely being made dimmer unless you have that slider at 31+

[ivory stirrup]

Ooh ok. Yeah my windows slider is at 0

[steel coral]

Im used to hitting 240, so going back to 120 fps makes a difference for me

[charred crypt]

yeah, I keep mine low as well, but HDR screenshots scale with it when viewed in Chrome/Discord

[ivory stirrup]

Diana's hair looks a little better in performance, but apart from that I really can't tell between ultra.

Does anyone else get occasional stutter jank (is it shader comp?) is that due to framegen cause I think I still got it without fg and it should be easily locked 60

[tame jewel]

And than there's me, I can't even tell the difference between 120 and 165 on my monitor

[steep trench]

lucky i’m too poor to not encounter this problem

[rustic sail]

You're just exaggerating the stutter 2x with FG, that's about what I've gathered. I also ended up with UP to use PT, and found the differences smaller than not.

[steel coral]

That’s true tho, I can’t see it in this range as well

But yk 120 to 240 is very noticeable. Tho I’m able to hit it with 6x frame gen only

[steel coral]

@steep trench could you help me with the .dll question?

[tame jewel]

frankly anything above 90 is basically the same to my eyes, I only notice it if I do some intense A/B testing

[steel coral]

Good for you I guess

I wish I didn’t experience 240hz lol, but it’s so good

Cant go back

Tho if I had to choose again, I’d go with 144hz monitor

[steep trench]

ys just replace all of them

[ivory stirrup]

Me playing with 60 locked fps

[steel coral]

Yeah just did that. 200fps with PT with DLSS on balanced. Shits insane

Tysm guys

[cinder oyster]

Windows SDR brightness has to be 31 for the screenshots to show at the correct brightness, that might be it idk

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah that was it

[steep trench]

def art intentional, it is the low pixel effect same as main menu and on the other screen

[dusk oyster]

Wow, changing Shadow Res from Highest to Ultra in that script immediately eats up an additonal 4gb VRAM

[fervent frigate]

the difference in latency between 4 and 6 is very minimal, so that's why I go for 6 at 220

[shut dome]

In the final area how. So good

Not posting anymore shots

@arctic glen is there a script like this for re9?

[arctic glen]

yeah

[shut dome]

Oooo ok

[tight hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475553827255222486/1494995841222709328/PRAGMATA_2026-04-18_10-37-46_976.png?ex=69e54ba0&is=69e3fa20&hm=9ed844fef5b8e972f01d18b77792cdbc8f6a1d45b6d79df5c4a13a22b3fa653b&

This is 4K DLSS balanced. Screenshot taken via reshade. It looks pretty blurry, noisy and slightly aliased viewing it now on my phone

Why is that? Which part of the end to end is eating that resolution?

[steep trench]

looks completely normal for me

[tight hinge]

Or maybe it really does look like that if I zoom in close enough on my monitor too

[steep trench]

for the noisy feeling u probably having filmgrain on, other than that i think there is no problem in terms of clarity

[urban creek]

i spotted it in the second area of the game aswell, right when you come out of the tunnel and look down at printed NY , just look right to the building and through the windows ... i can't unsee it now :/

looks like a low res jpg

[cyan swift]

What does the Noise slider in the effects tab actually do?

[steep trench]

i did notice some low res texture before but just a few, didnt pay attention is it in that area but im good with that as long as it is not everywhere lol

[tight hinge]

Yep, on 25 in RenoDX

[tight hinge]

I think that's RR? Has a tendency to just delete fine texture detail

[loud hatch]

i dont really like film grain. I appreciate the option though. I always turn it off even in reno

[unreal terrace]

bruh guess I found the crash spot

[frosty gust]

It’s like a camera noise effect

The game doesn’t always apply it

I disabled the effect and just replaced with low strength film grain by default

[pliant hemlock]

Do you all like to apply the pre tone map curve or nah? Just curious

[wanton remnant]

Hey guys where is the radience cache and ray bounces option in REF, I can’t find it anywhere

[shut dome]

WOW

Just finished it

What an amazing game

[cyan swift]

I see and what about Pre-tone mapping? for me it makes the game a little bit brighter like if the black was raised a little when I turn it on

[frosty gust]

What do you mean pre tonemapping

[cyan swift]

Sorry I meant Apply Pre-tone Map Curve option

[shut dome]

only short 9 achivements on the first run, not bad

gonna get back to Mouse PI now but will definitely return to pragmata soon

[frosty gust]

They apply another tonemap before ACES in SDR but skip that in HDR

I just run that tonemapper but with peak set to a super high value so it doesn’t actually compress to sdr

[loud hatch]

If around 400nits peak due to TB400, it compresses?

[frosty gust]

The actual compression comes from aces at the end

The pre tone map curve is basically just exposure / contrast adjustment

[loud hatch]

Also Musa, I understand that match hdr defaults the game brightness to 150. For default settings, it defaults to 203 even though Im on 465 peak nits. Is 203 ideal number-wise, or 150 still?

[frosty gust]

No 203 is just the “standard” even though I find it way too bright

There’s no ideal number

Just based on preference / viewing environment

Treat it how you would the volume slider

150 for match hdr is based on the tonemapper used in hdr. The add an exposure boost but if you remove that then 150 matches the hdr tonemapper

[left bison]

i am on a similar display and tend to slide it down to 120 pw

[loud hatch]

Ok, coz since moving to TB400, I was used to 114 game brightness already but in this game, its too dim

[wary loom]

is default aces mid gray tone the recommended for hdr? i tried the one tha's supposed to match hdr and it looked kinda washed

[wanton remnant]

Does anyone know why I don’t have any of the pragmata tweaks available in my reframework menu

[heady karma]

it's under "Script Generated UI"

[wanton remnant]

Yup but nothing pops up

[arctic glen]

did you copy the script into autorun folder

[wanton remnant]

What script?

Sorry I don’t have much experience with mods lol

Oooh got it I found the script in the chat history, thanks!

[little frigate]

what are the best hdr settings? i dont see a recommended option.

[late glen]

@arctic glen i noticed enabling transparent RT enables mirror like reflections, and changing RT res ratio from 0.5 to 1.0 increases the resolution of this reflection, but it doesn't get any benefit past 1.0, is that normal?

[sacred jetty]

was i meant to disable something from the tweaks mod in the ending scene

i just crashed the game

[finite walrus]

this game is really good

[prisma quest]

game is incredible, been having a blast. the combat and hacking mechanic is such a breath of fresh air too

[tight hinge]

I love how streamlined the experience is

Especially having come from Crimson Desert...

[stone locust]

I may have to give it another chance. The demo didn’t completely pull me in, wasn’t really feeling the hacking mechanics and what not

[steep trench]

no crash with radiance cache?

[steep trench]

u sure it is always crashing at the same spot? if yes probably radiance cache

[stone locust]

Is that one of the Ray tracing optimizations in REFramework?

[steep trench]

for the performance boost from Lazorr script

[stone locust]

If I turn that on in RE9 it crashes my game

[finite walrus]

i never tried the demo but the full game is really fun
you unlock some things along the way to make the hacking better too

[steep trench]

so far it is confirmed it crashes the game in one particular spot at area 2 in this game

[stone locust]

just turn off?

[steep trench]

it runs fine after passing that spot

ys, turn off, pass that area, turn back on and so far no other people reported it crashes again. so i’m not sure the one saying end game crash is because of this or not

[frail glen]

what spot is that exactly? so I can turn it on when I passed it

[steep trench]

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this door

#1475553827255222486 message

[obsidian axle]

@arctic glen bro would LOD Bias change bring any texture benefit to this game? Sometimes textures look off like in RE9

[thorn lynx]

Is there a way to force Path Tracing via config on AMD cards like in RE9?
Asking because on Nvidia, you can get pretty high quality transparent reflections if you have PT enabled and then enable ASVGF with Lazorr's mod. It's not as expensive as enabling full on PT, so its a good compromise.

I know you can also get transparent reflections by just enabling Transparent RT with Lazorr's mod, but it's pretty low res that way.

[latent escarp]

Guys, what preset you settled on for RR/Path Tracing?

[sacred jetty]

nope it didnt crash once i restarted the game

[steep trench]

thx for confirming. then probably not related to that.

[steep trench]

rr preset E

[shut dome]

Other than the one crash spot radiance cache is safe the rest of the game

[latent escarp]

thanks, does it fix those shimmerings when moving?

[steep trench]

i didnt recall i have shimmering in this game. what i know is E fixed the boiling

[latent escarp]

Hmm, english is not my native, maybe i used the word wrongly, but i dont know what boiling refers to either.

[frosty gust]

https://tenor.com/view/boil-water-boiling-water-gif-12743647

boiling as in surfaces literally look like that

[cinder oyster]

Preset E for sure in this game. Haven't noticed anything too bad so far like I did in RE9 with preset E. Plus optiscaler output scaling isn't working in Pragmata, so the boiling with preset D is terrible

[granite blaze]

How does preset E affect visual fidelity other than fix the boiling?

[left bison]

probably makes it worse unless the game specifically supports the dof guide buffer that the preset exists for

it is a workaround preset that exists for cyberpunk and no other reason

[bronze ether]

can you please share a save with Lunatic difficulty unlocked?

[cinder oyster]

Cyberpunk doesn't use E

[left bison]

well, something does

[shut dome]

Hrmm it’s not in the usual local app data spot. Do you know where?

[cinder oyster]

I think only Indiana Jones and Doom ship with E

[shut dome]

This game is probably my best graphics of 2026 so far

[left bison]

thats gotta be it then

[arctic glen]

there is an accumulation error in D that induces boiling in virtually every game

[bronze ether]

<Steam-folder>\userdata\<user-id>\3357650\remote\win64_save\

share the whole dir just to be sure please

[shut dome]

Is it? I just feel it’s the limitation of the current RR and it needs more love

Is there really a version with zero boiling?

[arctic glen]

I dont think you realize how much magic RR is doing

the boiling is generally because it is filling in so much information from very few samples relatively

[latent escarp]

Does anyone get this crashes? I get them just when im in the shelter while in the upgrade menus! Is it Reshade related?

[left bison]

you probably have an unstable overclock or undervolt

[bronze ether]

what GPU are you using? your PSU meets minimum requirements for that GPU?

[timid granite]

I got this same error with unstable undervolt

[latent escarp]

4080 super 1000 watt PSU

i do have an undervolt

on my 13900k

but never got such an error

and i tested the undervolt with Prime95, Cinebench23m and Intel XTU

[bronze ether]

that's all useless, btw. it can still crash at some point

[latent escarp]

but you guys mean unstable underwolt on my CPU or GPU?

[left bison]

gpu

[latent escarp]

i only have it on my CPU

[left bison]

🤷‍♂️

[latent escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-omg-lol-laugh-gif-12956385894842429484

[bronze ether]

CPU PCIE controller responsible for GPU slot data exchange

[bitter blade]

Is there any way to get rid of shadow smearing in Path Tracing mode? Preset E of DLSS RR doesn't change much compared to default Preset D

[arctic glen]

I don't think so

[bronze ether]

can you please add disabling RR for path tracing, so game could be switched to DLSS presets K-L? with rendering resolutions high enough it shouldn't produce too much noise (TAA component will take care of that).

[stray oxide]

pretty sure it will be pretty noisy on PT without RR

[bronze ether]

it's still better than suffering bluriness of D/E presets with RR

[cinder oyster]

No

It's unplayable

[cinder oyster]

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[bronze ether]

why? can you show a screenshot? what native resolution and DLSS quality setting are you using?

[civic juniper]

L/M are not replacements for proper denoisers like RR

you'll just end up with a garbage noisy picture

[oblique cedar]

OCCT and Y-Cruncher are pretty good for that sort of thing I find

[bronze ether]

I think Nvidia DL DSR 5120x2880 rendering resolution combined with DLSS Quality can fix that.

[civic juniper]

no

DLSS 4.5 is not a denoiser

[bronze ether]

everything that has TAA component in it IS a denoiser

[civic juniper]

it's not a proper one

see how DD2 modded PT looks with L/M: not good

[latent escarp]

I do have OCCT, from what i do read on the internet a lot of people get that dxgi error in the game, maybe its not my CPU's undervolt

[cinder oyster]

I don't have a screenshot, but the biggest difference will be in motion anyways. You can try it for yourself though, I linked the script that lets you disable RR

[oblique cedar]

It's good to have a peace of mind as a stable base. I tend to start with Y-Cruncher then progress to Prime95 and then Run a few OCCT tests. Maybe run memtest after that just for good measure. That gives me peace of mind.

[bronze ether]

I need to get a save first with Lunatic difficulty unlocked. only then I can start playing the game. @shut dome just a kind reminder.

[shut dome]

Will get to it soon! Playing mouse pi atm will get to it after

[bronze ether]

ok, thanks

[latent escarp]

When i built the PC i also ran memtest86 or 86+ can't remember exactly

I also run MSI Afterburner snd Aida64 for my sensor panel, could that dxgi error be triggered beczuse if this background processes?

[echo zenith]

Man, why are most people who are in charge of tweaking contrast, saturation, and colour balance in most games absolutely shit at their jobs?

Like every goddamn game nowadays is so washed out and desaturized

I've tweaked my visuals with a custom preset I made ages ago to deal with this issue in most games, and it looks so much better now.

[fading breach]

And performance dlss + 2.25 dldsr looks better than dlaa in most tittles and u get better performance

[stoic mountain]

i like first variant...

[echo zenith]

genuinely, why?

It's just bad contrast

and desaturated

there's haze all over the image

[stoic mountain]

its just your opinion bro

[timid granite]

there's a lot of oversaturation going on

guess you just like that

[bronze ether]

it's because of consoles. they cannot make PC port to look much better than PS5 one, otherwise it will hurt console sales and Sony will be mad on them. PS5 is a 10 year old outdated hardware with 720p native res, so they simulate the same experience on PC. only mods, manual config edits and advanced features like Nvidia DLDSR or presets K-L can fix that (when combined altogether).

[stray oxide]

yea too oversaturated

[fading breach]

Me

a couple of times

[stoic mountain]

i really dislike your variant. its too dark. but if you like it go with it no problem with this

[fading breach]

But idk why

[latent escarp]

Do you also have an underolt on your CPU? You get the error just in the upgrade menus just like me?

[stray oxide]

ive had this crash only once, and it happened exactly as i tried putting my RTSS overlay on, so i assume its some kind of interference since i use SK and Reshade and REFramework

[latent escarp]

Next time i play I'll stop afterburner and rtts

[stray oxide]

i do use afterburner to undervolt my 4090, i just dont use the RTSS Overlay in this game

[timid granite]

for me specifically it was gpu undervolt that caused DXGI errors since it started happening when I turned on PT and that's way more taxing than the usual RT so I knew it was that lol

[steep trench]

im already using balanced

[stray oxide]

anyone tried if this game allows custom RR % upscaling?

[steep trench]

resolution doesnt related to those oversaturated colors

[steep trench]

nexusmod “truehdr” preset

[ashen shale]

Ok, I have had the issue that Path Tracing is not working for some reason. When uninstalling RE Framework, Reshade, erasing the RenoDX file and LUA file, it now works.

Did anybody experience this? Can we somehow Pin the correct files please?
Edit: I installed from RHI and NexusMods RenoDX.addon file. I tried another version of RE Framework too, to recreate the steps.

[frail glen]

Is pt even worth it for this game. Lose so much fps and having to use fg, also blurrier picture in general. Feels like only viable for 5090 or sub 4k res

[arctic glen]

runs better than a lot of games without PT, FG works well

[civic juniper]

PT is always worth it

[arctic glen]

throw a little RCAS in

[frail glen]

Maybe my use case isn't good. 5070ti at 4k performance I have to use x3 fg to get 115fps which is my refresh limit. Thinking about just doing normal rt

[stray oxide]

any updates on the Radianche Cache crashing? still only happens in that one save point thing?

[arctic glen]

yeah 5070 might be a bit underpowered for 4k

[arctic glen]

afaik

[stray oxide]

ok good to know, ill keep it off until i reach that point and turn it on afterwards

[ashen shale]

I find it worth it. Quality or Balanced mode upscaling, a little softer, but very nice bounced lights.

[timid granite]

what does radiance cache even do in this game?

[arctic glen]

10% perf improvement, sometimes worse visuals, sometimes slightly better

[ashen shale]

Shoud be fine, but I guess it's up to taste. The Raster implementation is exceptionally well done. I use the 5080, so not much more horsepower in comparison, but I prefer the PT (even without Reno working right now, trying to install manually now).

[ashen shale]

thanks, interesting.

[timid granite]

and this works with PT?

[arctic glen]

yes

[timid granite]

I read about crashing but where exactly does that occur?

[arctic glen]

in the second zone after big roof fight

[timid granite]

oh I'm past that

gonna try it I guess

[frail glen]

What res and refresh are you aiming for on a 5080 with pt?

[ashen shale]

4k at 114 FPS Rivatuner cap, no VSync nor VRR

[dusk oyster]

Using Radiance Cache with everything else maxed, I can manage 4K 120 with 2x FG on my 5070 Ti

There are some dips, but it's pretty smooth overall

[ashen shale]

Saw that on nexus, the recommended RE Framework and Reshade are under required. Installed manually, it disables Path Tracing and Ray Tracing.

Why

[dusk oyster]

3x gets me locked to my VRR cap of 137

DLSS Perf

[timid granite]

why would capcom hide radiance cache and not present it in the settings?

[dusk oyster]

Because it's not fully implemented

[bronze ether]

partially it does. try DLDSR 5120x2880 (1.78x 4k) and you will see.

[fading breach]

I have UV + OC the CPU and OC the GPU but in everygame are stables

But it could be that

[fading breach]

Ye, i usually use P or B cuz i get more fps with better visuals

[ashen shale]

I found the culprit but not the reason. RE Framework disables RT and PT for me. I have erased all files and am now reinstalling PRAGMATA and then manually try it one more time. Probably RHI did install some files that made a conflict somewhere, if interested I'll update if it worked.

[steep trench]

if u say so

[frail glen]

You can't hold that with only x2. Only in the interior parts but outside it drops into the 80s

[steep trench]

won’t u guys have tearing without vsync?

i always having tearing

[tame jewel]

Why no vrr tho

[steep trench]

just saw that 114fps no vrr is insane, creating frame pacing issue by urself

[tame jewel]

yeah why won't you use vrr lol, especially for framerates different from your monitor's refresh rate, frametimes are always ass when unlocked + no vrr

[hidden pond]

vrr was a lie all along

[native orbit]

Just want to know why no one is shipping Nvidia's neural radiance cache. has some very cool ML in it

[ashen shale]

That is why I set the cap below 120 Hz, sometimes 110, sometimes 114. Works usually very well. Had Tearing in RE9 though and had to enable VRR.

[ashen shale]

The whole image raises somehow the blacks, might be placebo though, but I swear the image looks better with VRR off.

[steep trench]

there are always tearings even lower than max fresh rate for me

[ashen shale]

what display? I use LG G2.

[steep trench]

any, now 491cqp and c2

[tame jewel]

What? lol I've never heard of such a thing. I know of vrr flicker in dark scenes with framerates fluctiations but never black level raise

[steep trench]

just the start of the spaceship panning thru the moon animation i can already see tearing

[ashen shale]

Haha that is why I say it's probably placebo. If I run in trouble (MSI Afterburner, Steam Overlay and Nvidia overlay Frametime analysis) I'll just enable it again. For now I have a good time 🙂

[nocturne walrus]

@frosty gust add to git

[pearl raptor]

Ce serait cool

[glass shard]

Do we have a stutter fix when using FG? Tried reflex cap with display commander but seems to not solve it, unlike requiem

[lethal flame]

Try VRR cap and pace raw frames

[blazing dagger]

Do you also get periodic big drops but only with FG?

[lethal flame]

Pragmata's DLSS quality is good enough though, not much difference with DLAA, so I just turn frame gen off with DLSS quality with path tracing and RR on, everything maxed out.

[stray oxide]

i got it set up like this, and i only get maybe a tiny stutter when entering new area, not rly during gameplay

[ashen shale]

Reinstalling and not using RHI but installing files manually worked. PT once again enabled.

[glass shard]

Happened once but only tested the intro. Can reproduce the stutters in specific points at the starting cutscenes

[glass shard]

SK might me the way to go. Ty

[wise roost]

Why does the pragmata mod need the reframework ? Reshade loads without issues at least in the demo

[meager walrus]

So do you guys load REFramework + Reshade + Special K?

[stray oxide]

i do just fine

only had 1 crash when enabling RTSS overlay, so i just dont do that anymore

i just use SK's OSD instead if i wanna check smth

[meager walrus]

what's your dll names?
dxgi for Reshade and dinput for ReFramework?

[stray oxide]

yep just default

and SK global injection

[blazing dagger]

this is what I mean with periodically

always as if FG disappears for 1s or something

[hollow nymph]

They added antitemper i guess

[tight hinge]

Yup. Demo doesn't have DRM, main game does.

Reframework allows reshade w/ addons to get round it

[dusk oyster]

Interiors are capped, outside I get between 110-120 with 2x FG. I'm using a fairly aggressive OC to be fair. 3150mhz core and +3000 on memory.

[tight hinge]

Which DLSS render mode?

[frail glen]

I dont really believe it, its still a 5070ti so cant be that different from mine. No way you get cosistent 110fps outside with 2x

or is it without PT

[loud hatch]

maybe ultra performance DLSS mode

[frail glen]

yeah has to be, hes not getting that at 4k performance

[loud hatch]

for reference, this is 5090 + 9800x3d performance at 4K DLSS Quality + x2 FG.

GPU is undervolted + 80% power limited

[frosty gust]

Can’t cause I had to make a separate branch since it requires changes to RenoDX’s core

Gotta wait for ShortFuse to merge

[nocturne walrus]

Just add the Nexus link for god sake musa

[frosty gust]

Eepy

[nocturne walrus]

At least it's there

[frosty gust]

Also sick

Must eep

[nocturne walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/sherma-silk-song-hollow-knight-lyrics-music-gif-103910113041076620

@junior snow

[dusk oyster]

It's 4K Perf DLSS, I'll double check when I get home.

That's with Radiance Cache, without it's around 80-90fps

I could be mistaken on the exact numbers.

[native orbit]

shadow quality placebo (with PT on)? https://x.com/BMKing23/status/2045821269510127843

BenchmarKing (@BMKing23)

If you're using Path Tracing in #PRAGMATA, set Shadow Quality to Lowest. This saves a significant amount of VRAM with no noticeable visual impact.

▶ Play video

X · Apr 19, 2026, 11:06 AM

[arctic glen]

this is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of shadow quality setting

and will definitely be a noticeable degradation in some scenes

PT uses shadow map fallback past a certain distance

[steep trench]

even it is just april but i can already say this is my goty lol

[native orbit]

yeah I was wondering about this when I was using your script, but I was not in a scene with long view distances

BenchmarKing is normally pretty solid but not infallible I guess

[feral kindle]

Sometime channel that focus on benchmark or graphic analysis can misinform the viewers.

I still remember in one of the DF MH videos, they were saying one of the outfits had graphics artifacts from texture compression, but that was a design choice and the side quest explains why the outfit looks like that.

[stoic mountain]

why you need save VRAM

[native orbit]

I was pushing 16GB in the second level but unsure if it caused any perf issues

[stoic mountain]

4k?

[shut dome]

He’s not wrong tho. He’s there to make best optimized settings and for most they won’t notice and the trade off for that much vram is good for some

Obviously just crank it all to max if you’re a high end pc owner lol

Like many of us here

lol

[timid granite]

I set shadows to high instead of max since I always have a bunch of stuff open in the bg

it can overflow vram on my 16gb card otherwise lol

[south owl]

wet mode OP

[merry temple]

hi all

[frosty gust]

nexus not letting me upload the new version

ok got nexus working
https://www.nexusmods.com/pragmata/mods/13

[shut dome]

Oooo

[tame quail]

No changelog
What did you do

[frosty gust]

they have a new changelog section

you have to click the date

they should probably make it clearer

[tame quail]

I know that
But there's no changelog

[frosty gust]

ah probably the cdn shit where it doesn't update immediately

just added more sliders

shadow contrast

highlight contrast

[tame quail]

kwel

[frosty gust]

now it can be copied and pasted into re9

[tame quail]

BTW

[blazing grove]

Does anyone know if theres a mod to limit menu FPS when fg is turned on? My gpu turnes into a space heater whenever i pause the game 😅

[frail glen]

FG isnt on when in menu

[blissful phoenix]

Display commander I think

[blazing grove]

Oh ok, I'll try that out. What I mean is FG 4x hits 227 (4x 60 fps) , but the menu runs at 120 fps which makes my gpu go to 100%.

[slow sparrow]

Any news about radiance cache and where it all crashes? Or is it just 1 area

[drowsy barn]

The upgrade menus are crash city for me. Sometimes I get this error, but usually it just goes straight to desktop. Disabling afterburner/rivatuner didn't help. My limited testing skills tell me it's related to frame gen somehow.

[latent escarp]

Do you also have a CPU undervolt or any other overclock or something?

[drowsy barn]

Nothing other than the factory overclock my PNY card shipped with

[latent escarp]

I see, maybe its just the game if other people are getting these errors crashes in the same place as me, i do have an underolt on my CPU and someone told me it could be that but my rig was very stable in general and did a lot of CPU stress tests and they passed just fine

[shut dome]

Crash where?

There is one crash we know of when using radiance cache

I finished the game with it on after that spot with no issues

@arctic glen said they crashed in Terra dome but I didn’t. But I did have an area in Terra dome that got super framed

[latent escarp]

I got them just in the shelter and just in the upgrade menus, no radiance cache

[cinder oyster]

I've had major slowdowns in the upgrade menus a few times, but never crashed

[shut dome]

Oh weird

Oh wtf

We just got crash to desktop no error and pin pointed it was radiance cache

This is new

[drowsy barn]

Sometimes I'll start to get a huge spike about every 10-15 seconds or so. I've found that I can sometimes avoid the crash if I leave the menu when this starts happening. Otherwise, I'll crash after 2nd or 3rd spike.

[arctic glen]

I didn't crash in the dome

just the one office space

[latent escarp]

Spikes or some freezes where you cant move in the menu for like 2 seconds?

[arctic glen]

never seen that

[drowsy barn]

Freezes for about 2-3 seconds

[latent escarp]

Same here

4080 Super, 13900k

[drowsy barn]

5070 ti, 7800x3d

[steep trench]

never happen for me too

i like how this game simulate training are not disturbingly hard

[latent escarp]

No change log for me either

[frosty gust]

click

[latent escarp]

And it doesn't show the older versions lower

[frosty gust]

click

[latent escarp]

Okay got it

[latent escarp]

It was better like it was before, i mean how nexus showed everything in one place

[frosty gust]

ya it should be a dropdown I think

[latent escarp]

Clean and every info in one place

New file, old files...

Anyways thank you so much for the mods you do, the game still have places that look washed out but i guess thats how the game is made. But the HDR looks crazy good in places like the Shopping District

[stray oxide]

there is all changelogs here

[stray oxide]

weird, no clue

[latent escarp]

So strange, i don't have any info for today's file

[frosty gust]

their cdn or something is ass so you might be able to see it if you clear cache

[prime meteor]

anyone getting full screen artifacting with renodx? I remember it used to happen with RE9 too and I had to update reframework to fix it

im on latest version rn tho

[latent escarp]

What kind of artifacting? Everything seems okay for me, I played for a few hours!

[prime meteor]

sidenote this game looks like ass with pt off it's insane holy fuck

[shut dome]

Console versions in shambles

Switch 2 version on suicde watch

[prime meteor]

rdna3-4 users in shambles right now

(that's me im in shambles)

[latent escarp]

you mean that full screen tearing? I didnt see any on my system!

[nova dagger]

what the heck does this radiance cache setting yall keep mentioning in the tweaks even do? Does it make anything look worse at all?

[prime meteor]

supposed to make PT run better I guess

[arctic glen]

10% performance improvement, some places look a little worse, some a little better

[nova dagger]

by turning some stuff off from it i would imagine?

[arctic glen]

no

[nova dagger]

interesting

[cyan swift]

Do someone know how to walk on Keybord and mouse?

[prime meteor]

if implemented correctly it would actually look less noisy and would run much better

[modest stirrup]

shadows are a little washed out with cache radiance on, I prefer the look over the fps gain. God bless MFG though

[prime meteor]

these are just tweaks

[arctic glen]

shadows aren't really changed at all, not sure what you are looking at

there are particular locations where the look changes negatively

but its not a generalization

[modest stirrup]

I was in a kinda dark room and when turning cache radiance on/off it looked less bright, as if AO was less effective

[arctic glen]

majority of the time there isn't really a noticeable difference, and I also saw less light leakage in a couple instances

[modest stirrup]

cache radiance off definitely looked more punchy, maybe upping contrast would aleviate that

[arctic glen]

I guess about half the game I don't need the extra fps, but the other half its nice to stay above 100-120 at 5k x 2k

[modest stirrup]

I'd rather stay in DLSS balanced instead of performance but some places or fights are pretty brutal, cache radiance can keep me in balanced easy

[arctic glen]

yeah I am on quality an don't want to drop to balanced

[modest stirrup]

Damn that might be pretty heavy in quality no? My GPU would be sucking Watts like crazy. I'm always uneasy when it draws more than 400W with my UV

[arctic glen]

I am running a gpu about 10-15% faster than a 5090, 9950x3d, 6400 cl28 ram, everything is overclocked

[modest stirrup]

You must be sweating buckets next to that thing dude

[arctic glen]

lol, it does get a bit hot, I am ready for my roommate to leave so I can put PC in other room

[modest stirrup]

I like good performance, but noise and heat is also a main concern so I made a nice UV and I usually stay under 400W slightly above stock performance. You ever posted a picture of your rig?

[arctic glen]

nah, nothing that looks fancy/good lol

[modest stirrup]

Mine is a back monolith. I hate RGB and keep things neat.

[arctic glen]

I would be embarrassed of my RAM

its gold and RGB but it was the best 96 GB kit I could find lol

[modest stirrup]

Sometimes you gotta get what’s at hand, even if it’s RGB crap

[latent grail]

96GB ram you can buy another 5090

[arctic glen]

sad but true

[modest stirrup]

And run DLSS5

[arctic glen]

I would honestly plug in another GPU if it would be beneficial

I ran 3 GPUs back in crysis days when nothing could run it lmao

[modest stirrup]

Ah yeah. I remember I had a SLI of 670 at the time. GTA V was running like a charm. Then came the goated 1080Ti

[charred crypt]

rare hitting GPU max power moment

[modest stirrup]

77°…

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-damn-gif-21840770

[latent escarp]

So i checked if my CPU's undervolt was at fault for this error i get just in the shelter while I'm in the upgrade menus, i disabled my undervolt and still get the crash so it's not because of my CPU and i don't have any other undervolt or overclock! Im gonna disable RTSS and see if its that, i also have Aida64 for my sensor panel....

[austere yacht]

1

[native orbit]

I have had one random pragmata crash that I don't think was related to any mod. the error message was similar to that IIRC but never happened again and wasn't reproducable

[latent escarp]

And its also not because of RTSS or Aida64

[bronze ether]

so basically Path Tracing+Ray Reconstruction is unplayable in this game. it blurs the whole screen, adds dark noise all over it and makes everything look shit. Path Tracing without RR (via pragmata_tweaks.lua script) shits with that dark noise and makes it even more obvious.

left Ray Tracing on, disabled PT, disabled RR, 5k resolution via DL DSR, DLSS preset L + Quality, now the game is finally looking good.

any advice on how to improve standard Ray Tracing via pragmata_tweaks.lua?

[ivory stirrup]

Have you tried preset E? Game looks perfect for me now (with RR) there was some boiling in D which E got rid of and I have no complaints now. 4K performance it's sharp enough, even ultra perf looks good (except Diana's hair that's only part where it gets a bit worse)

[late barn]

do they? It's basic rumble only according to pcgamingwiki

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah I didn't manage to get anything working in wireless mode

[heady karma]

4k quality RR E image quality is alright, performance looks weird as always

[late barn]

I mean, you won’t get haptics when using it wirelessly anyway

in any game

[bronze ether]

that one thing I haven't tried, but based on my experience with Crimson Desert, preset E vs D doesn't change much. although RR in CD looks much better (because of no PT probably).

[cinder oyster]

Disagree that PT+RR is unplayable, but if you really don't like the look then you can enable ASVGF via the Pragmata Tweaks script while having PT enabled in-game. Also disable RR with the script as well

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah this game is different preset E actually works here confirmed by most folks here do like it

Crimson desert slop tracing is just a whole another can of worms it's done very differently

There's so many variables with this, so you always have to give different presents a try

[ivory stirrup]

Got any other tweaks suggestions? I only have radiance enabled

[cinder oyster]

For PT just increasing the bounces to 5 and lowering RT culling to 0

[south owl]

i started getting these in outfit menu and anything with videos playing after the driver update. might be a coincidence but just letting you know

[ivory stirrup]

What does lowering the culling do?

[cinder oyster]

But if you're using radiance cache for performance reasons then I probably wouldn't increase bounces to 5, it has a small performance hit

[ivory stirrup]

Yeah I'm ok with how the game looks I'm more interested in more performance

[latent escarp]

thanks, it may be their fault, im on the latest drivers too!

[bronze ether]

quick question, where to look for ASVGF toggle in Pragmata Tweaks menu?

found it

[steep trench]

i take back what i said

[bronze ether]

strange how ASVGF almost doubled the fps

[ivory stirrup]

ASVGFTthing? Do tell more 👀

[cinder oyster]

That disables PT

[cinder oyster]

#1475553827255222486 message

[ivory stirrup]

Oh sweet, this doesn't hurt performance much I suppose?

[cinder oyster]

No performance hit from what I've seen

[dusk oyster]

This is the lowest framerate spot I can find immediately.
It probably drops below 50 native fps in combat at times.

[bronze ether]

but you initially suggested to have PT enabled + ASVGF + RR disabled. what's the whole point then?

[cinder oyster]

#1475553827255222486 message

You get good transparent reflections if you have PT enabled in-game + ASVGF vs just enabling RT in-game

[bronze ether]

clear, thanks

[cyan swift]

Hey Musa what you think about this settings? This is are the settings I have found so far that have a more punchy and contrast look on my tv leaving the sliders at default, the Pre-Tone map Curve and the aces mid gray with match SDR or HDR seems to look a little bit more washed out on my tv like if black were raised

the option lower aces min nits in the sdr eot emulation seems to wash out the image a little bit too on my tv

[urban creek]

It doesn't look like "ass", cmon ... It's just that PT is so much better in this game .

[steep trench]

those train sim fight after 20+ are so disgusting

[ivory stirrup]

PS5Pro a actually looks very good but others are yikes, yeah