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[dire pilot]

I love selling wanted posters for 10 copper lol

[lament nymph]

those aren't even the kind of things that bugs me, what bugs me are the things u can't get rid of

but has no use whatsoever

[worldly vapor]

bro landed on namek

[dire pilot]

thanks for reminding me I had telekenisis powers, it turned this boss into a joke lol

[lament nymph]

the map design is all sorts of plain and has questionable pathing

like there was this quest u go and confront this guy 100m away from the questgiver

[radiant pivot]

Telekinesis?

[lament nymph]

then to get to the questgiver u have to ride ur horse 800m back cause u have to take the criminal up the mountain

because while it's indeed 100m away it's up on the mountains

silent hill on ps2 you go in another apartment to pick up the keys for this apartment and that made more sense

than a lot of things in this game

they took a playbook from rdr2 and imitate a lot of the interactions to be like rdr2

[radiant pivot]

How can I get .jxr files to preview on Discord, mate? Every time I share them, they’re sent as files instead.

[lament nymph]

but then they forgot to add pathing to the horse on the minimap and the path is anything but straightforward

[worldly vapor]

its a png

he sent jxr for hdr users

[crude marsh]

use reshade to capture hdr pngs

[worldly vapor]

u always have to dl the jxr file since discord doesnt support it

[radiant pivot]

Oh. I see.

[naive terrace]

yeap

[lament nymph]

I have no idea how to capture hdr png cause I didn't feel the need to

but my obs can prob do it

[radiant pivot]

Noted. Capturing via Nvidia overlay or Regular windows screenshot?

[naive terrace]

game bar do it, but image gets high contrast in SDR and doesn't look right almost 100% of the times

game bar in HDR give you png and jxr

[barren pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-asked-hmm-hmm-weird-hmm-weird-nobody-asked-gif-24486140

[lament nymph]

hey man lots of things nobody asked for in this world and are still given

this is not weird at all

[barren pasture]

you are right

[lament nymph]

like nobody even asks what gpu some ppl use but they had to say 4080s

or 5090

[teal pumice]

amazing for people with monkey brains

[barren pasture]

yes, game looks super cool on my 5090 Super, thx for asking

[naive terrace]

this is with Reshade screen shot

[teal pumice]

really good = all highlights become white

[barren pasture]

youtuber, he is trying to share knowledge about HDR

[lament nymph]

that guy just likes bright picture

[barren pasture]

fails, because bright is good

[lament nymph]

he advocate for turning on dynamic tonemapping on some games

[teal pumice]

he had a stream with shortfuse

[barren pasture]

well, at least he recommends HGIG on LG OLED

[teal pumice]

and just forgot everything shortfuse told him

[barren pasture]

but tbh he doesnt say he is some kind of expert. he says that use dynamic tonemapping, if you find picture too dim, and this indeed works

[teal pumice]

he mentioned he had become better and wanted to improve his old video

but its not true

[lament nymph]

did he get better?

[golden scaffold]

I can't say for all his recommendations but if a game doesn't have native HDR and you're forcing HDR on console, the console does not respect your system level calibration and pretty much leaves the picture in SDR range within HDR container. So DTM for those situations (or HDR games with low peaks) kinda works if you just want it brighter. I was doing the same thing

[teal pumice]

no

[naive terrace]

WTF

[teal pumice]

all he cares about is still minmaxing his tv

[lament nymph]

I minmax my tv, it's not cheap

[barren pasture]

i mean yeah, you spent 2k on a TV, you want to see something

[lament nymph]

but still to say " turn dynamic tone mapping " in these games that are perfectly adequate like ff16 because he finds the picture dim is just wrong advice to begin with

there's no or

[barren pasture]

you dont spend 2k to clamp it to srgb

[teal pumice]

if a game shows 0 nit and peak nits on lilium's analysis shader its a good hdr implementation

[golden scaffold]

If consoles respected your system settings like wndows autohdr does, it would be no need to even suggest DTM. But consoles do not follow your system settings at all. So dtm is your only option unless you like your expensive oled TV being stuck at 200 nits

He's talking about using DTM on consoles, not pcs. On pcs there's better ways

[teal pumice]

we dont play games on conslows

[clever pagoda]

do i have to pay for early access to download the mod for this game currently?

[teal pumice]

wrong place sorry

[barren pasture]

tes

[golden scaffold]

Well yeah but he does, his channel is mostly console centric how to minmax the sloppa on consoles

[lament nymph]

it's game dependant, lots of hdr on consoles are garbage, but ff16 is fine

[teal pumice]

true

[golden scaffold]

Exactly and that's the point of his channel trying to inform you is hdr usable or is it sloppa

[teal pumice]

his recommendations are almost always insane though

[golden scaffold]

If he sees raised blacks he will even recommend staying in sdr

[barren pasture]

you cant do anything on a console to improve sitation. At lest you can minmax your TV

[lament nymph]

he recommended to tune up the brightness to 7 or down to 3 and turn on DTM, either one sucks

[barren pasture]

its not about poor implementation. It just how to compensate it using TV settings

[lament nymph]

why do you need to compensate for perfectly good hdr

[barren pasture]

what games have perfect good HDR on consoles?

ff16? anything else?

[jade spruce]

TV-minmaxer should become a slur

[teal pumice]

alan wake 2

[solar bone]

none

[golden scaffold]

When I was console hdring, min-maxing the slopa like this was the only way. And dtming on 800 nit oleds doesn't look as cursed as on 2000 nit

[teal pumice]

fromsoftware games

call of duty games

[jade spruce]

Not perfect but good

[barren pasture]

fromsoftware games? is it a joke?

its itm in elden ring 😄

[teal pumice]

its almost perfect on consoles

[hollow steeple]

I have a problem with how you guys are gonna handle grass thon

[teal pumice]

no nvapi shit

[golden scaffold]

Returnal? Ratchet&clank maybe? Horizon? They also say CoD. Maybe Astrobot. I'm guessing

[teal pumice]

its not itm on the final image

[modest hatch]

How do I change the saturation

[barren pasture]

GT7 too

[lament nymph]

I like plasma more than gamingtech

gamingtech learned shit

[jagged charm]

Anyone know what causes these flickery shadows?

[teal pumice]

native hdr almost looks as detailed as renodx

[golden scaffold]

I thought their recent games were itm?

[crude marsh]

fromsoft is one of the only companies that does good HDR I believe

[barren pasture]

dont know, havent seen myself, only heard that its just an ITM

[lament nymph]

"on consoles"

ahem

[hollow steeple]

The game supports DLSS Ray Reconstruction which fixes the grass not looking shaded

[faint bobcat]

not shadows, but displacement mapping

[golden scaffold]

HDR in elden ring and armoured coure didn't look good on consoles for me. Wasn't even any bright

[barren pasture]

tbh itm on 800 peak nit OLED is not bad at all

[jagged charm]

does the lighting not know how to handle displacement?

[barren pasture]

lacks the detail, but at least you get what you pay for, for the nits

[golden scaffold]

Yes exactly that. Its just about usable. If your display goes brighter you should be conservative with the displays contrast/peak it becomes cursed quickly

[teal pumice]

its not the itm we generally talk about, its done in the same shader right after the sdr tonemapper

[narrow frost]

It introduces other issues though.
RR On vs Off:

[teal pumice]

its just a math to expand the sdr tonemapper

[lament nymph]

the shopkeeper is hotter than our female lead

[lament nymph]

I hate this game

[teal pumice]

as detailed as renodx (maybe even more)

[hollow steeple]

What's the problem with it?

[hardy owl]

the game can look amazing sometimes not gonna lie

[barren pasture]

both look good indeed

[narrow frost]

The ghost lol.

[lament nymph]

the game looks okay-ish if you stays in one spot

and gaze at the horizon

you move and the world moves with you

abeit a bit differently

[hollow steeple]

Ghosting?

[lament nymph]

[hollow steeple]

I'm using dlss 4.5 it's really not that bad

[barren pasture]

open the screen and look 😄

[hollow steeple]

Oh wtf lol

[barren pasture]

ghost town

[golden scaffold]

Reduce lightning from max to cinematic to get rid of that

Max is bugged if you turn off RR

[hollow steeple]

Mine is on cinematic

Never saw that issue

[teal pumice]

their games only have bright effects basically

[lament nymph]

I was thinking maybe the critics doesn't understand good korean games like us folks who played korean games from childhood

[scenic adder]

Is there anything graphical in this game that doesn't have some kind of problem xd

[lament nymph]

then the scores reflect pretty well actually

I was too quick to blame the critics

[teal pumice]

renodx is even less bright

[modest hatch]

How do I edit saturation

[hollow steeple]

Who here can even play the game at max lighting?

It's so demanding

[lament nymph]

ok, turn on RR, al lthe settins maxed, 4k, go in the gambling den at night and play a match

look at the legs of the guy on the right

you will see pain

how am I supposed to enjoy gambling if the graphics distract me

[scenic adder]

I've seen plenty already

[lament nymph]

that's why I keep losing $$$

[golden scaffold]

It's kinda needed with RR to get rid of instabilities of dancing shadows. You can get acceptable fps in ultra performance

[nova cargo]

not being broken makes it better than mostly the entire industry

[hollow steeple]

I have a 5080, I have to use cinematic

Ultra is too demanding

[narrow frost]

It seems to be tied specifically to that mountain lol.

[scenic adder]

I've basically decided to just wait until some patches and/or more stuff in RenoDX, because it feels like there's issues anywhere I looked (also my game likes crashing the display driver, idk what's going on there)

[lament nymph]

cool helmet my guy where did u get this

[neon whale]

cinematic is more demanding than Ultra

[lament nymph]

my kliff still wearing rags

[storm vine]

Hey guys should I download the renodx hdr mod available on github? Idk if there is another version here

[plush parcel]

The Mountain of Ghosts

[neon whale]

pinned

[lament nymph]

he just asks if the version there or here is the same or different

[storm vine]

ye

[lament nymph]

prob same

[storm vine]

ty

[crude marsh]

man, there is basically no GI without RR

[lament nymph]

... this game looks like a rush job, not "we went gold 3 months ago" type of game

and this was their own engine

nobody else uses it

[teal pumice]

another secret sauce for optimization

[tame vault]

Your overclock or undervolt is unstable

[lament nymph]

he could be one of those guys that look at youtube go like " set co-30 to make ur cpu gud, no testings needed, it will work trust me "

[naive jackal]

They basically copied any and every open world action game from the past 20 years msuhed it all together and threw it at the wall, only thing missing is death stranding falling over mechanics

[vivid iris]

Its slider value + 0.25

[lament nymph]

minus a lot of the QoL

[narrow frost]

I corrected since I flipped the naming by accident, the ghost figure only shows on that specific mountain when facing the camera. And only when RR is enabled (with the closest camera mode).

[vivid iris]

You get it figured out already?

[barren pasture]

Sorry for offtopic. I just saw it in the sky and idk why, i can see with bare eye this shadowed part of the moon. I have never seen it previously, only the “lit” part. Also its very visible on a photo.

It almost looks like its very close to earth, not 400k km

[tame vault]

Jon, newb question, what is the relationship between exposure and brightness (paper white). Trying to figure out which to bump to make the image a little less dim in certain environments

[cobalt sorrel]

hey I was confused about this also. I was using the first WIP build, updated to the new one but the defaults for exposure on psycho tonemapper are still 1.0. normal or do i need to adjust?

wasnt seeing the increased exposure mentioned in latest build set on default

[hybrid nova]

During certain scenes I see the foliage shimmering, I'm trying to record with OBS but it only records SDR(so I cant show what I mean) for some reason, is this game bug or reno's bug?

[sterile sable]

RR or max lighting which get turned on alongside RR?

[lament nymph]

I just hate a lot of the interactions in this game, to plant a flag you have to press y + b to use the magic power, then press A rapidly to hold it up then you have to aim it at the post and press lb

instead of just " press a to plant the flag "

[naive jackal]

@polar seal go to the github there's now an app that does it all for you, it's called RDXC

[lament nymph]

they try to copy totk with that shit and in totk it was more fun

cause it was truly a sandbox, here you have to do things the way they intended it to but don't tell you what

[naive jackal]

One thing that annoys the hell out of me as a Gothic and ES enjoyer is that you are still penalised for stealing even if nobody sees you and you don't get caught

[lament nymph]

you lose contribution pts is all I think?

it barely does anything, don't think it does anything at all except for the shop

[golden scaffold]

Gothic mentioned

[naive jackal]

Only 1 and 2, i refuse to accept 3 and 4

[lament nymph]

aren't they remaking 1

[worldly vapor]

ye

[lament nymph]

[worldly vapor]

releasing in june

[naive jackal]

Aye the remake of 1 is out this year

[golden scaffold]

Has anyone noticed any similarities in the world/geography to BDO at all? Is this supposed to be the same continent? There's still a desert? But no ocean on the north? Starting area resembles Serendia. Supposed to be a prequel? What's up with this anyone has a clue?

[worldly vapor]

it is supposed to be a prequel

afaik

[lament nymph]

I'll be honest with you it's been years since I last played black desert and even back then I still don't understand the story

[worldly vapor]

unless they changed that

[lament nymph]

it was just go to a farming spot, spin to win, go grind to breka my weapons

[naive jackal]

console gamers and modern gamers are going to bounce off it though imho, when they realise you only get better attack animation by hefty point investment and having to just barely survive most of the time and lure enemies into jank moments

[ember tulip]

morning @vivid iris i have the latest build but sharpening with FG seems to still not work

[naive jackal]

Well if it's really faithful to the og lol

[cobalt sorrel]

hey, think this is known but idk what's happening. last night i posted some screenshots about this

FG seems to apply some type of correction for sharpening or something

[ember tulip]

the latest version was said to fix it thats why i was letting them know

[zenith hemlock]

You guys use Ray Reconstruction with DLSS or RR off with DLAA ?

[crude marsh]

RR

[carmine stump]

RR always

[crude marsh]

max lighting is irrelevant here

[golden scaffold]

From everything I tried RR just seems like a must have. You'll see the effect indoors. Outdoors not as much

[fleet jacinth]

its faster to quit out of the game and load than load normally if you get caught doing a crime

[neon whale]

so expensive to run though

[lament nymph]

this game's combat reminds me a lot of og vindictus if anything, you don't get to aim, the game aims and melee boost for you in response to your joystick direction, there's no aim at the enemy head and headshot him, the game calculate whether or not you hit him even if you aim at clearly visible head

but it's more jank than vindictus

[novel barn]

RDXC is new app for easier to use renodx? The game wont start with this. can you help? Recommended to use RR with this mod?

[cobalt sorrel]

ya i posted that it wasn't working. the CA slider works but sharpening does nothing. what i showed was that at vanilla native settings without using the mod, sharpening looks like it does with the mod set to 100. the second you turn on FG you'll see the sharpness is being reduced for w/e reason

[crude marsh]

dont install display commander

[novel barn]

already installed :S

[crude marsh]

then uninstall it, doesn't work with this game

[golden scaffold]

Desert to Serendia alignment checks out (where Heidel would be) but there's no indication of the ocean in the north it's what's bugging me.

Wait. Wasn't there a lot of stuff underwater in the north sea in bdo. Flood event? Would explain it

[lament nymph]

as usual, ppl on nexusmods doing works nobody asked for

always

[novel barn]

@crude marsh Recommended to use RR with this mod?

[golden scaffold]

These "mods" should be banned

[green gulch]

game looks so gorgeous man just wow

thank u renodx team

[lament nymph]

can you even call them mods

[crude marsh]

"leaves"

[lament nymph]

RE Engine foliage is a lot like that too

even in their nicer looking games

[hidden ivy]

it looks so nice with Reno 🥲

[tame vault]

Does for me, working nicely

[lament nymph]

https://www.nexusmods.com/crimsondesert/mods/14

this is good tho

life saver for me

recommend

[novel barn]

renodxcommander uninstalled but still wont launh the game :S

[crude marsh]

no not renodxcommander

display commander

rdxc is unrelated to the game

[novel barn]

how to work? one button?

[vivid iris]

It won’t and can’t, it’s always off cause it’s straight up not in the shader. I mean, I could add it probably but idk if anybody would want that.

[vivid iris]

It’s added behind the scenes

[cobalt sorrel]

ah sorry ty sir

[cobalt sorrel]

oh, this totally explains it. so that vanilla sharpening isnt there or being applied when FG is enabled basically?

[late marlin]

The pinned Message says Something Like add 1.25 exposure. Does that mean we have to add this manually or was this added with the File? Confused because it says "add" and not "added" 😄

[ember tulip]

@vivid iris ah my bad i mistook the whole fix ca and sharpening sliders in the latest pin as it was working

[cobalt sorrel]

its applied behind the scenes so leave at 1.0

[late marlin]

Alright thx

[cobalt sorrel]

it is fixed, CA and sharpening sliders fully working as intended. the sharpening that vanilla has without FG on just isnt applied basically when you turn on FG. think Jon said it's just not in the shader when you turn FG on, but CA is so that is reduced with FG if u set to 0

[icy dragon]

My game is crashing a lot, is anyone else having issues? This is with the latest nvidia drivers.

[tame vault]

No crashes

[cobalt sorrel]

no crashes on my rig, full amd build though

[icy dragon]

Wonder if it is frame gen

[narrow frost]

None here either, though I'm on 591.86.

FG doesn't crash either, though I prefer playing without it.

[cobalt sorrel]

im using FG with FSR Native AA and no crashes

[wispy crown]

4090, newest drivers, DLSS FG + RR, no crashes at all, 10+ hours.

[icy dragon]

Maybe I'll try ddu if it crashes again

[novel barn]

Guys it is AMAZING. 3x FG RR+ Renodx mod it is DIFFERENT GAME (No Chroma no Film Grain Max sharpening )

I cant believe

Appreciate for it !!!

[naive terrace]

yea, for me the game is very stable no crashes 20+ hrs, new drivers

[daring orbit]

will optiscaler allow you to customize upscaling?

[wispy crown]

For all it's flaws I must say the stability and performance is generally amazing. Having this insanely big world with zero shader comp stutters and absolutely no traversal stutter is nice.

Even with all the visual instability and bugs I much rather play this game than most UE5 open world games

[lament nymph]

... this game sucks, you go out and clear out a bandit camp, then you can't take anything cause it's considered stealing

[tame vault]

The best thing is his smooth it is. Camera motion is butter

[golden scaffold]

That is a good point because even BDO had a lot of stutter issues

[tame vault]

Zero stutter

[hardy owl]

I tried this and the problem is the sensitivity is not great and its hard to walk in interiors

[flint moss]

Not many games are this smooth, gotta give them that. Even when many npcs are around (maybe worse on lesser hardware dunno)

[sturdy cipher]

is me or ACESv2 looks better than Psychov-11 ?

[maiden rover]

Where can I download the Crimson Desert RenoDX files?

[robust drum]

see the pinned message

[maiden rover]

On welcome tab? you just add the files to the game

[flint moss]

Apparently u can cook food on the ground using your sword glow thing 🤯

[rich zephyr]

hi im new here.
do i have to leave the ingame exposure setting at standart setting ? 🙂
while using renodx mod in crimson desert

[novel barn]

not. Psy is newest

[sturdy cipher]

shadows in general looks way crushed in ACESv2 tho

[crude marsh]

I would take UE5 stutters with sw lumen over this any day of the week

at least we could fix it without pure pain

[carmine stump]

That's one point why it's worse.

[forest path]

it's you

[crude marsh]

also lights in ACESv2 are all severely discolored

[rich zephyr]

whats your guys ingame exposure setting ?

[narrow frost]

Default.

[crude marsh]

just leave it at default with reno typically, it shouldnt matter what it is though at least not usually with reno

[tame vault]

Ignored by renodx

Only UI brightness matters

[rich zephyr]

i am on a c5... and when its nighttime... its absoloutly too dark...

[barren pasture]

dont listen to others. Just choose whatever you prefer. "Correct" may be just not to your taste

[low crane]

It looks more dim compared to vanilla, but thats about it

[rich zephyr]

acesv2 is too bright

[tame vault]

Very true, but with a well calibrated display and enough time spent adjusting to both mods, I would guarantee the vast majority of people will end up choosing RenoDX

[mortal wolf]

Simple / Intermediate / Advanced might need to disappear if people aren't using sliders

[tame vault]

It's like weaning yourself off shit beer

[sturdy cipher]

was just first impresion tho now looking more at it with 1.30 exposure with different weathers and time i like more Psychov-11

[winged mist]

@tame vault DC crashes on launch like it does for everyone, and pmnoxx isnt planning to update it since hes rebuilding his addon. Which build are you using that actually works for you ?

[tame vault]

Interesting. An older one from a few weeks back and it's working beautifully

Will post version once I'm home

Reflex limiter with FG

[rich zephyr]

is this game a bit darker in general? or is it only me thinking that ?

[viscid wedge]

Looks great on my C2, but there is quite a lot else that needs to be configured between windows and the TV itself so its good that there are sliders.

[rich zephyr]

usually i never have problems with hdr....
with this game its sooooo daaarrkkk

not blown out.... but its just too dark... is this by design ?

[viscid wedge]

Yeah I thought so too before moving to RR and RenoDX.

[rich zephyr]

this game sucks in both sdr and hdr

i tried sdr with 120 nits... still sucks.... if i crank up brightness. i have oversaturation

wtf

[viscid wedge]

Which is why we're here 😉

[rich zephyr]

i have now reno installed

still too dark

790 nits peak and 203 paperwhite

[carmine stump]

Just increase exposure and game brightness in renodx settings to your liking. Still better than the native shitty contrasty hdr

[rich zephyr]

wtf this is just fkn bad

these devs need to play their own games

[lucid shoal]

It's very useful to get it too look similar when I'm using different displays between the same playthrough

[barren pasture]

whats the difference between increeasing paperwhite or exposure?

[teal pumice]

bright colors dont exist in ACES2

[teal pumice]

after or before tonemapping

[rich zephyr]

should i incrase exposure ingame or reno ?

[mortal wolf]

i mean the option. on boot Shadows/Highlights etc aren't visible

[carmine stump]

always reno

[mortal wolf]

they don't show if you're on Simple

[lucid shoal]

I don't remember what simple shows because I always change it at start

[barren pasture]

tbh i dont understand difference

[rich zephyr]

why's that? isnt it smarter to increase ingame first before reno ?

[barren pasture]

in both cases you just end up with more avg scene brighntess

[mortal wolf]

peak : game brightness is the range

[teal pumice]

before tonemapping, colors or contrast can be different

[mortal wolf]

exposure is just that

800:200 is 4:1 ratio over SDR (which is 1:1)

[barren pasture]

bigger ratio: higher dynamic range?

[mortal wolf]

yes

that is the range

[daring orbit]

I cant get the game tomload with OptiFG enabled

[barren pasture]

so 80 paper white then and 10000 peak 😄

[mortal wolf]

SDR is 0 to 1.0, and HDR is 0 to 4.0, for example

0.18 (midgray) stays at 0.18, so HDR is just headroom above 1.0

[barren pasture]

is it like "stops" in photography?

[mortal wolf]

yes, though tonemapping isn't linear like exposure is

stops are log2 or log10 (i forget)

[barren pasture]

in photography we have exposure, and its linear?

[rich zephyr]

how much exposure do you guys use in reno/ingame?

[barren pasture]

i like 1.5

[rich zephyr]

doesnt that burn you eyes away ?

[viscid wedge]

Ideally you'd adjust to your liking

[mortal wolf]

all exposure is linear, stops are ways to represent magnitude

let me find the math

[rich zephyr]

true, but it has to stay reasonable....

[barren pasture]

no, i played in bright room though

[narrow frost]

1.25 / 50.

[barren pasture]

so its exponential

[rich zephyr]

so reno is just a multiplyer ?

[mortal wolf]

exposure is in linear. stops are way to express it

2x exposure = "1 stop"

but you apply it in linear

[torpid moth]

ok im a discord noob, how do i download the renodx now ? lol

[rich zephyr]

didnt understand a word u said, but ok

[mortal wolf]

there's no curve to adding exposure, you use flat multiplication

[barren pasture]

thats not gibberish for me, but i find it hard to imagine

[mortal wolf]

if you ever see e in scientific notation, it's kinda the same thing 5e3 is 5*10^3 = 5000

where you use some other notation to "simplify"

[barren pasture]

in europe we use 5*10^n notation

but i got the point

[cosmic zenith]

In America we'd call that a 5-gauge

[mortal wolf]

there's a whole aspect that your eyes don't see things in linear. cameras do and exposure adjusts a virtual camera. human eye is not exposure/linear based.

[rich zephyr]

i put mine to 1,5 and standart ingame, looks good enough

[barren pasture]

yeah, i noticed that we see more variations in darker areas, than in brighter

[rich zephyr]

the game is so graphically bloated anyway so it barely makes a diff

as long as reno reveales some detail in dark areas im good

[jade lava]

what software do you use for the OSD overlay? to check dlss version and mini graph like frametime in a single line

[barren pasture]

our vision is logarithmic?

[jade lava]

smth like this

[viscid wedge]

this is the steam overlay.

[jade lava]

i like rtss frametime graph but it's just huge overall

[jade lava]

ty

[viscid wedge]

RTSS is infinitely customizable

[tame vault]

So if you're generally happy with the image but want more overall brightness, adjust exposure rather than paper white?

[jade lava]

i was using it when i had msi afterburner now im forced to use gpu tweak because of the power+ alarms and pins ma checker on the 5090, thanks nvidia for a single 12pwr cable

i might get a 5090 lightningz at this point

[narrow frost]

I still don't understand what they were thinking coming up with that new connector lol.

[jade lava]

i legit cant use the gpu at 100% power, two of the pins go above 9200ma and the alarm triggers

any cable, stock, new cablemods ones, etc.

98% will do the job yet it's triggering

[carmine stump]

I would like to know this aswell.

[tame vault]

I've asked a few times but it seems to get dodged. Perhaps because it's not a simple answer for my simple mind

[jade lava]

you dont want to raise paper white for sure afaik

plus whats the point to raise the overall brightness and killing the peak brightness? : o

its the same as dynamic tone in lg tvs

way higher overall brightness but peak brightness gets killed

[barren pasture]

so basically by increasing paperwhite, we increase brightness of "SDR" part of image, thus reducing range
And if we increase exposure, we "boost" light/brightness amount of whole picture and then hope that tonemapper does the job of not allowing to blow up whole picture? 😄

[tame vault]

I already have enough of a delta between the two, with a 1360 nit peak. It's reasonable that want to increase brightness slightly if it seems dim

[viscid wedge]

Lots of math and logic here. https://www.reddit.com/r/HDR_Den/comments/1rwvd20/about_hdr_paper_white_hdr_reference_white_level/

[jade lava]

i mean until you're in the 1000 pb nits range its fine i guess

[barren pasture]

wait, we had a reddit? 😄

[jade lava]

but new tandem oleds are capable of 2200nits

and DT is horrible

[tame vault]

I don't want DT

[jade lava]

have a 48 g5 here (this model only got released in eu) and can confirm the tandem oled is fully unlocked at 2200

[carmine stump]

I might switch to LG 77G6 end of the year from my 77C2.

[mortal wolf]

vision is too blanket of a term, but how we perceive contrast can basically, maybe be logarithmic. that's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber–Fechner_law. that's means how we perceive "twice as bright". it's not 2x exposure. there's more log involved. the Contrast slider is that, uh somewhat. but when contrast and saturation are equally raised, it's just Naka Rushton . it's more S-shaped power law than logarithmic. very very nerdy psychovisual science

[viscid wedge]

Which models?

[hardy owl]

Any progress with the fixes from Forge and Lazorr?

[jade lava]

i mean ive stopped using it on pc cause 4k on 48-inch tvs is awful, im on the lg45 21:9 5120x2160 rn (and yet, getting 27'' 4k pixel count nostalgia)

[jade lava]

LG G5 48, it's Tandem OLED

with DLDSR everything is better obviously but almost 7k res is nasty even for the 5090

however, DLDSR 2.25x + DLSS performance >>>>>>>>>> 4k native on that 48 panel

[viscid wedge]

DLDSR + DLSS breaks my brain to think about. Maybe I should just try it and see

[tame vault]

Why is 4K bad on 48"?

[jade lava]

thats the final combo that should always be considered when buying a monitor today imho

[tame vault]

(I've got 55")

[lament herald]

Is the hdr mod out yet for crimson desert? Cant find it

[barren pasture]

it is a bliss on native 1080p monitor

[tame vault]

See pin

Yes

[viscid wedge]

Been gaming on a 42" 4K for three years, never thought about it once. Games today are already hard enough to run

[jade lava]

it looks like full hd on a 24, just bad PPI, try 27'' 4k oled monitors and you'll see what I mean

[lament herald]

Thank you

[jade lava]

ive sold it just because i didnt want to trade immersion

[mortal wolf]

Reinhard (yes that one) on how 203 is maybe not that great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdZTUXhaQpQ

[jade lava]

203 is overall brightness you should have if you have 1000/1400 peak brightness monitors

270 if you have 2200 pb nits

[tame vault]

That seems odd advice

Surely all that matters is.....how bright you want it?

[mortal wolf]

^

[summer notch]

this is true if you're around 2 feet away from the screen like a normal monitor, just back up

[worthy stream]

I use ~100, sue me!

[mortal wolf]

honestly we use 0.18 internally more than anything, but 203 is the number if you just have to pick one. i do 100 nits if my lights are off, 203 when on and about 170 when dimmed

[viscid wedge]

I loved this analogy.

Is there ever a reason to adjust the volume of your device when you are in a different environment, like at home using speakers or in public with headphones or in your car using your car's audio device?

Again: Yes.

Now read those 2 questions again and replace "volume" with "brightness" and "listening" with "watching" (also the devices, like "TV" instead of "speakers" and "smartphone" instead of "headphones"

[mortal wolf]

there's a lot of SDR hold over, where 1 is a magic number

[jade lava]

i mean yea, it depends on preferences

[tame vault]

I almost always do 203 but it doesn't seem bright enough in this game. Especially when outdoors in the sun. Game seems to dim

[mortal wolf]

and in this case 1.0 means 203

[wispy crown]

Same most of the time but I like it higher in Crimson Desert

[lucid shoal]

I tend to use 100 nits even with my S95f

[mortal wolf]

203 is the recommended number for translating SDR to HDR as a flat scaler

well, "one of the recommendations"

there's like 5 of them in bt2408 or was that 2480 or was that 2380? damn numbers

[wispy crown]

But doesn't that also depend on environment brightness?

[tame vault]

Shortfuse, please - when would you opt to increase exposure rather than paper white? (Or vice versa)

[mortal wolf]

just recommendations, you're also supposed to adjust gamma

[jade lava]

i had mini leds back in time and they all were burning my eyes, never again, never had issues with oled overall brightness but i always play in my dark room (couple of very ambient light lamps and thats it)

[mortal wolf]

but gamma is in r/g/b and that's already wrong. human vision isn't in bt709 r/g/b or bt2020 r/g/b

so it's all a hack anyway

a lot of BT is "can we stop arguing and just agree on SOMETHING?"

[jade lava]

that sounds funny after 15h of DS in a row

😂

[wispy crown]

In the end everyone should select what they think looks best. Artstyle of the game, environment brightness, panel type and capabilities, personal preference, all influence what will be the best settings.

[sly swift]

I spent like 10 hours trying to figure out what works best for my monitor for one specific game. 650 and 165 for re9

[mortal wolf]

none of this is gospel. even 2.2 gamma correction. it's scientifically "wrong". but even when SRGB was designed and created it says "use 2.2 and it's a good compromise that will get us at least 70% there"

[jade lava]

thats usually the best part of modern games

[tame vault]

I give up 😅 I'm just gonna wiggle random sliders

[sly swift]

it took me a long while to realize that my monitor reaching 1300 nits is just a marketing gimmick

[jade lava]

its probably only on 5% window

[mortal wolf]

2-3% window is "okay" according to the BT papers

[sly swift]

1.5%/2

[mortal wolf]

but TVs manufacturers usually don't allow peak to drop from 0-10%

[wispy crown]

Ah you're on the GX9? Yeah that 1300 nits peak brightness is just for a 1.5% window.

[jade lava]

lmao

[crude marsh]

also the gx9 edid is wrong, you have to modify it

[sly swift]

Then there’s the whole in display tone mapping

I have the 32GS95UE

[jade lava]

yes ive changed it through cru

[wispy crown]

Not anymore. Wasn't able to do CRU edit with my 4090 thanks to DSC but with the new Firmware Update from February it works.

[jade lava]

ive put 1140, maybe should try 1200

[sly swift]

I thought 0-600-600 was correct, then 0-1190-280, but now I’m on 0-600-280 with windows calibration and I believe that’s right

[crude marsh]

ah I haven't updated to the newest firmware

[wispy crown]

It reduces VRR flicker a lot. It's worth to upgrade. Also it fixed the EOTF Curve on high peak brightness.

[crude marsh]

sick, I'll update shortly then

[sly swift]

Yeah I play like a competitive esports fps player

[jade lava]

gonna see that shiny ant peeing at 1.5% pb

[sly swift]

Nose is smelling the screen n shit

[wispy crown]

I almost always set 1000 peak brightness with 100-200 paper white depending on game.

[jade lava]

i just disble hdr for ow, but i use the tandem oled 540hz, the rog one, 27

[lyric aurora]

So guys what do you think is the best thing to do rn to reduce flickering globally ? DLSS 4.5, 4.5L all cinematics RR on or off ? any things to try in NV inspector ?

[crude marsh]

this screen definitely isn't the best, but I kind of became addicted to the size and curve

[jade lava]

dlss4 to reduce flickering

[sly swift]

Nah I don’t use hdr lol for fps
But how’s 720p? Is it worth

[sly swift]

Even with 600 10%? How come?

[wispy crown]

GX9 you can't use HGIG afaik so the tonemapper is always on. With the better EOTF curve 1000 peak brightness feels right. Everything below will cost you some highlight detail.

[jade lava]

i use it on ow because i stay in gsync range when capped at 600fps

[lyric aurora]

Yup okay thanks dude

[sly swift]

Nice I like 480 but I wanna upgrade my monitor soon. Tho idk if I want 27” since I like 32l

[jade lava]

probably is

[crude marsh]

RR is the only thing that really has GI, so if you want GI then would use RR

[carmine stump]

Ideally you want to play games or watch movies in HDR in a pitch black room

[lament nymph]

nice graphics ... x.x I can't see shit

[cerulean topaz]

I bought lately 27 1440p qd oled panel from samsung but i dont know how to set up hdr correctly, Windows says its peak brightness is 400 nits when i enable it

[sly swift]

I think I like 600 max nits so I can stay within the true black 400

[wispy crown]

Yeah almost always do that's why I like paper white to 100 nits.

[jade lava]

if you have 480 or 540hz if you want to stay in gsync range you need to cap the frame way below the maximum monitor refresh rate, hence why 720hz mode is a bliss, but it looks like shit ngl

[narrow frost]

Which one?

[jade lava]

even tho OW has a res slider inside so you can just raise it to 200

[faint bobcat]

Anyways nerds

[jade lava]

and it looks better

[sly swift]

Dw I do that

[faint bobcat]

added Hammon difufse

adding EON now

then I am doing LMS for sky

[barren pasture]

pls add dlss5

[crude marsh]

I am on the verge of giving up lol

[wispy crown]

True Black certifications are mostly scam imho. Look up what 5% peak brightness you have and then select that if you have HGIG. If you have a monitor that enforces tonemapping just set it to the max capabilities of the display like 1000-1300 for the GX9

[cerulean topaz]

Odyssey OLED G5 27'' 144/180Hz QHD G50SF

[lyric aurora]

what's Hammon and EON ? sry i'm a noob in modding terms

[crude marsh]

I have been able to extract all of their files and modify some things but the modifications don't seem to work as expected

or it breaks something

[sly swift]

I dont have HGIG, but I have something else. MLA+ monitor, LG, idk what it is specifically. But I do 600 since that’s the sustained 10% and 5% with 400blaxl

[narrow frost]

Oo nice, I have the G60SD variant, you used the HDR Calibration App yet?
Will get you the base tone mapping correct as a start.

[sly swift]

Black

[crude marsh]

and I haven't figured out how to truly modify files and change their size without the game throwing a fit

even different timestamps cause the game to say fuck you

I can modify the xml configs if I add exact padding to the original size with lz4 compression, but I can't recreate their exact lz4 compression

[sly swift]

Brb driving

[crude marsh]

so its running a script to figure out how to pad each xml file to get to the right size

[cerulean topaz]

I used this windows app from microsoft store, i set black to 0 and peak brightness to 400 because the template was dissapearing at 400 for me but i dunno if its correct. Games seems to be more washed out when i enable hdr and i dont know if its supposed to be like that 🙂

[wispy crown]

I have the same monitor. HGIG is not a display tech, it's just that the monitor doesn't do tonemapping of the brightness, it just shows as it is and clips everything above the peak brightness it can achieve. When using the GX9 you always have tonemapping on since it doesn't support HW calibration for HDR. In that case you can theoretically set 10000 nits peak brightness and the monitor itself makes sure it tunes down the highlights so it fits in the capabilities. For that case I would always try to put the brightness to the max capability of the monitor e.g. 1000-1300. If you of course like it on 600, let it stay there. You will get a little less highlight brightness but a more stable less dimming prone image.

[narrow frost]

Did you check the OSD on the monitor for "Peak Brightness"?
*Its only accessable in HDR - that is if it has that option.
Mine is:
Off = ~970 nits
Medium = 500 nits (What I use - most even EOTF imo)
High = 1000 nits

[crude marsh]

I've switched to trying to hook the games poolsize/resource limit calls and increase the resource limits

[wispy crown]

Wasn't that a thing in CP2077 too? I remember adding new weather transitions in that game and it was a horror.

[crude marsh]

not sure as I came into that scene after there were full mod tools

[wispy crown]

Bless Wolvenkit xD

[crude marsh]

but yeah its pain, basically I have parsed out their custom formats, hooked the games crypto functions to capture 4000 keys that relate to specific files, brute force decrypt and decompress until valid xml

[wispy crown]

Jesus christ... Why can't they just use normal XML files?

[faint bobcat]

based Korean's protecting their property

[crude marsh]

luckily the encryption is easily reversible

but there is some other file validation I am missing somewhere

Ive also tried modifying all of the trees to use LOD0 at all LODs

and.... they just stop rendering near and render minimum quality far

dont know if its related to resource limits or just the files are invalid

[mortal wolf]

needs that maple story keyboard entry system

[faint bobcat]

yessir

[crude marsh]

I tried making VRS render pass invalid and game just doesnt launch

also tried hooking the d3d12 VRS function and returning 1x1 and a null shadingrate image

didnt seem to do anything

I think disabling restir might work to an extent though

seemed less noisy but I didnt test for long enough

[wispy crown]

Maybe there's a global limit for how much can be displayed at once?

[crude marsh]

am currently exhaustively searching for everything related to resource pools and texture streaming

[low crane]

Vanilla - Reno defaults

[mortal wolf]

i haven't started playing yet, but i would boost exposure and increase constrast+saturation, but i like it dark

[outer furnace]

base hdr is impressive, really nice job by the devs

[mortal wolf]

these games were made for piss poor 250-nit office lighting LCDs

[polar crow]

you think it would be possible to decouple RR from max lighting setting? max light takes 36% fps so its not usable really

[crude marsh]

that is not really why RR costs a lot

[worn ibex]

Are you interested in playing the game?

[crude marsh]

RR forcibly changes a bunch of stuff

[worn ibex]

@faint bobcat ETA eod today king? I’ll wait until you’ve made the tweaks to buy it and see if it’s for me or not

[outer furnace]

its definitely a big factor. if you turn off RR but Max lighting it is still a steep cost

[mortal wolf]

i heard there were jetpacks and female protagonists

[worn ibex]

Boobies ofc

[mortal wolf]

though the dude actually has hair, unlike standard male protagonist

[wispy crown]

Next hour or I riot

[polar crow]

yeah HUB tested it and max lightning in comparison with cinematic costs 36%

[crude marsh]

TLDR if you want lighting use RR if you don't then yeah

games RTGI is virtually non existent without RR

which is increasing samples and turning on restir

[viscid wedge]

i can't catch a fish to save my life. the instructions are crap.

[crude marsh]

completely separate from max lighting

[carmine stump]

It falls apart at night. Its just way to contrasty

[crude marsh]

yeah the base HDR is not very good

[manic finch]

has anyone figured out how to get rain to show?

[wispy crown]

I fear decoupling it will result in a much worse image quality. The increased directionality with all the shadows and stuff like that isn't RR but the enabled ReSTIR sampler

[tame vault]

It's very bad

[worn ibex]

AFAIK base HDR matches base SDR, which is also fucked

[mortal wolf]

base HDR should mostly be pretty neutral. but... nobody likes neutral

[sly vigil]

does the test file work in SDR mode btw guys? Im looking more about just removing sharpness and CA

[carmine stump]

Whats the game with the best HDR out of the box?

[neon whale]

Alan wake 2

[mortal wolf]

maybe GoT? at least from what i read (haven't tried)

[neon whale]

Control

[mortal wolf]

FF7:R was pretty good too, from what i remember

[wispy crown]

RDR2 with the later added "Game" preset is quite good as well imho. (I probably get hated for this)

[final imp]

I am salivating for Reno + / forge edition 🤤

[carmine stump]

I always found Gran Turismo 7 absolutely amazing

[outer furnace]

it mostly is, just during daytime races the paperwhite is too low imo, sky looks unnatrually dark in HGIG

night races are crazy insane tho

[carmine stump]

Yeah, thats what I remember

[mortal wolf]

i like this. because i like color

[digital quest]

@nova cargo will hunt you

[wispy crown]

That looks really beautiful

[drowsy trench]

with reno installed, do i turn ingame hdr on or off?

[outer furnace]

on

[drowsy trench]

ty

[mortal wolf]

i recommended 70 contrast/saturation for psychov in CP2077

[crude marsh]

example of the GI without RR and with

as you can see basically entirely flat without

[mortal wolf]

IMO, it's worth getting your environment right to get colors to pop

[wispy crown]

At this point why not just use probe based RTGI?

[jade flame]

If there isn't already, it might be worth adding a note to the CD Reno Add On to leave in-game HDR on to at least lessen the amount of people asking. ^^;

[outer furnace]

game truly looks disgusting in any indoor shot without RR... but the cost is so insane, I have a 5070ti and have to fucking use ultra performance at 4k if I want 60+ before FG

720p gaming in 2026 basically

[potent spear]

doesn't help that the game doesn't handle upscaling very well either

[jade flame]

RR uses Preset D which is like DLSS 3.0 which doesn't help.

[wispy crown]

That's crazy. For what it's worth I don't mind 45-50 before FG in this game. It feels sluggish either way.

[crude marsh]

preset D is DLSS 4.0

[wispy crown]

Preset D/E are both transformer models

[potent spear]

both preset d and e is transformer model

[viscid wedge]

It wouldn't be so bad if we just got an updated RR that worked with the latest transformer model.

[crude marsh]

I haven't found an easy way to change the number of samples, maybe can investigate that next

[jade flame]

Guess NVPI is lying then

[crude marsh]

trying to make LODs better

[viscid wedge]

No, thats old CNN stuff. Only way to use RR is with the old models.

[grim pewter]

This is an older version of nvpi

[outer furnace]

yeah it has the sluggish RDR2 movement lol. combat feels better though and going much below 60 there is noticeable, I'd be fine with 50 but I'd have to lower the other settings A LOT to get there in performance mode. wish I could just set custom 40% resolution scale but the game doesnt like that, custom scales make the screen black for whatever reason

[crude marsh]

no, D and E are transformer

[modern bronze]

Are there any mods for the controls?

[wispy crown]

RR transformer model is already really big... An even bigger model would for sure hurt performance even more than DLSS 4.5 SR does.

[potent spear]

NVPI revamped is more up to date with terms

[crude marsh]

RR is costly yeah, but really its just this game being particularly stupid

[outer furnace]

whats better, D or E btw?

for RR

[crude marsh]

D is fine for this game I think

[lilac urchin]

D it seems

[jade flame]

That's what I am using

[modern bronze]

Are ray reconstruction changes in scope for RenoDX? Like will anyone here be “fixing” to use 4.5?

[potent spear]

I found E being weird in this game specifically when doing certain puzzles that force you into first person

alot of artifacts

D is fine

[crude marsh]

there is no RR 4.5

[lament nymph]

fine D then

[outer furnace]

no thats on nvidia. heard full 4.5 release including RR will happen in spring though

[modern bronze]

Like it doesn’t exist as a technology atm?

[lament nymph]

big D

[jade flame]

Either way. DLSS anything looks bad in this game. But I find that D is extra bugged. shrug

[potent spear]

btw did you find the reason for those black smudges that randomly show up?

[wispy crown]

I just want the rain with RR fixed please... It looks like 720p for real even if my game renders internally at 2560x1080 🙁

[lilac urchin]

RR is just transformer model dlss 4

[potent spear]

I've noticed them alot since you posted that screenshot lmao

[lilac urchin]

and does not over ride either

[modern bronze]

I know it’s preference but would you guys say RR looks good enough to forego using 4.5?

[crude marsh]

I think some of Forges work will help

[potent spear]

they are so in your face when you start noticing them

[lilac urchin]

is the RR removing rain a thing for real?

[outer furnace]

but dont get your hopes up, 4.5 is nice and all but its not making a huge difference in every game compared to K (best dlss4 preset). if you turn RR off and compare K to M/L there isnt a striking difference you'd notice if not exactly analyzing side by side

[lilac urchin]

that is wild ahaha

[faint bobcat]

which ones and where

displacement mapping is at fault

[jade flame]

Documentation I'm seeing says that D is a variant of Preset A. I don't think it's Transformer model

[wispy crown]

No rain is there but it looks like shit... The worst I've ever seen in the last 10 years of gaming.

[faint bobcat]

if you see edge screen shimmering

[crude marsh]

dude

[faint bobcat]

thats displacement mapping

[crude marsh]

its dlss transformer

[potent spear]

I can go in game and see if I can get a screen shot going

[jade flame]

You have something I can read?

[lilac urchin]

so is better off without rain??!! jaja

[wispy crown]

Where did you get that documentation from? Google AI suggestions?

[modern bronze]

Got it, so it’s not worth using 4.5 if I like the way RR looks. It won’t ruin the visuals elsewhere.

[potent spear]

but Lazorr posted a screenshot of it yesterday

[weary tangle]

https://youtu.be/c_ZjvspIcaQ https://youtu.be/a4_7pnXjK40

[lilac urchin]

i want to buy this game so bad and at the same time i dont! havent have this feeling in soooo longgggg

[potent spear]

@faint bobcat #1469072401450012774 message

these ones

[faint bobcat]

raymarching

sahder

I have it

will take a look at some point

[primal estuary]

idk, maybe its because im playing with custom resolution, 3072x1728, but 4 vs 4.5 quality is blur city vs no blur

[modern bronze]

Will Pearl Abyss be releasing mod tools?

[wispy crown]

The one that renders the clouds?

[crude marsh]

4.5 is noisy in this game because the input data is so bad

unfortunately

[potent spear]

who knows

[crude marsh]

4.5 tends not to handle extreme flickering on the input

4.0 does but smears and ghosts

[faint bobcat]

yh, their cloud raymarcher draw over things that should block it

[outer furnace]

would be a colossal waste if not...

[primal estuary]

4.0 is also noisy, but with less blur i can ignore it better, something im sensitive too

[crude marsh]

4.0 also removes specular and highlights

[modern bronze]

A game as expansive as CD seems like it might be perfect for the mod community to play around with.

[wispy crown]

Wasn't 4.5 in some games better when the denoiser is disabled? But their RT is probably so extremely noisy that even DLSS 4.5 can't cope with that.

[crude marsh]

just reflections

GI denoising is different

[wispy crown]

Ah thought it would work for all RT effects. Sucks... RR it is than

[crude marsh]

if the GI is extremely flickery, then 4.5 won't hide the flickering as much

[lilac urchin]

is worst if it doesnt have RR at least that what DF said, 4.5 with in game denoisers is a no no

[crude marsh]

well, GI/any lighting

[modern bronze]

I need to figure out a way to get a gaming rig set up on my deck so I can play outside. The weather is getting nice.

[polar crow]

should we use 4.5 DLAA or even no DLSS at all and just native? what is best

[wispy crown]

4.0 DLAA or DLSS Ray Reconstruction if you have the headroom.

[lilac urchin]

DLAA is best

[crude marsh]

4.0 DLAA if you are cool without having much GI

otherwise use RR and RCAS

[sick monolith]

https://moonlight-stream.org/

ipad will do

[modern bronze]

I was just thinking that as soon as I wrote what I said. I have an ally, I can stream to that.

[sick monolith]

ipad for best visuals

[modern bronze]

I also have a hammock on my deck.

[modern bronze]

I don’t own a tablet.

I have a gaming laptop but it’s not ideal for cozy gaming in the space I have for it outside.

My laptop is so nice for what I paid for it. $500 4k OLED rtx 2070 maxq

10th gen i7.

[viscid wedge]

just the game losing its ever loving mind at night in the rain (4K DLSS4 (performance) RR)

[crude marsh]

yeah they have weird surface effects in rain

[potent spear]

so rain works with RR now?

[wispy crown]

Is that surface rain? I have the feeling RR with rain just pixelates the entire screen.

[naive terrace]

I haven't got a lot of rain weather

[viscid wedge]

it seems to, especially near the end of the clip

[sick monolith]

is this pink flame you guys talk about? how can we fix it?

[potent spear]

nvm didn't watch the whole video

[jade flame]

I might be getting mixed up by thinking that RR Preset D is the same as DLSS Preset D perhaps?

[viscid wedge]

I mean RR is on, take that as you will lol

[potent spear]

last I saw RR removed rain fully, but yeah

[tame vault]

Any chance of stoppong the absolutely blinding white flash on game load?!

[crude marsh]

pink lights are caused by the base game hdr

ACESv2 tonemapper

[potent spear]

I think you are. They are not the same. DLSS Preset D is definitely CNN

older versions of NVPI had the terms confused as well, but newer versions have it updated

[rough granite]

I know once I used a reshade shader that detect like brightness and inside it you apply other shaders, eg one that would reduce it, but can’t remember the name (the idea was to reduce brightness in some menus)

[jade flame]

Yeah. I thought thought that the RR Preset was just handling the denoising and that DLSS Preset was handing the resolution reconstruction separately.

I didn't know that the RR preset did everything itself. mb

[potent spear]

makes sense to be confused, the naming doesn't make any sense

[crude marsh]

ye RR is standalone, does everything itself

[jade flame]

I also don't work in the programming industry of any kind. I just hang out around mod communities. XP

[jade flame]

Got it. ty ^^

[viscid wedge]

Yeah this is confusing since everywhere you look, it shows D and E as CNN.

[jade kettle]

with the WIP RenoDX for this game, do i need to enable HDR in game as well? or just pop the reshade addon?

[potent spear]

DLSS presets not RR presets

[faint bobcat]

good thing DLSS 5 will just be one preset

SLOP

[potent spear]

dlss 5 will in fact save us all

[worn ibex]

It’s kinda crazy that we are at the point now that we think 4.0/Transformer 1 is mid, everyone has forgotten the CNN model that was praised for so long 💀

[dire pilot]

I'm beginning to think dlss might be confusing to people lol

[viscid wedge]

None of this backend stuff was really meant to be visible to users anyway.

[worn ibex]

DLSS started as an anti aliasing solution but nvidia has since just started using it as a marketing name

[potent spear]

the fact they even use the dlss brand for 2D frame screenshot gen AI is beyond me. Where exactly the is the super sampling in that?

[ocean onyx]

CNN betta than trashformer

[wispy crown]

What? It always was an upscaler. It literally says "Deep Learning SUPER SAMPLING"

[dire pilot]

yeah, I was just meaning that because of all the presets and all the variants, it can get confusing for the layman

[viscid wedge]

"DLSS" as a name should have stopped at Super Resolution and its evolution. All the other stuff shouldn't be linked to that name.

[boreal thunder]

Crimson Desert is one of the games I would definitely use DLSS5 on … the NPC faces are a bit to be desired compared to the environment

[sick monolith]

in SR context preset D is CNN

in RR context preset D is Transformer

[worn ibex]

Yes, deep learning super sampling, super sampling is an anti aliasing solution

[modern bronze]

DLSS5 is the future of gaming.

[ocean onyx]

It started as a garbage spatial upscaler, really

[crude marsh]

see I feel the opposite, environment very low quality but the faces are decent

[potent spear]

faces are fine in this game I think

facial animations aren't great

[viscid wedge]

Adding version numbers when features other than SS were added ruined the whole idea of ever being able to explain it to people.

[potent spear]

lipsync is mid

[rough granite]

@crude marsh could description of this mod provide any insight https://www.nexusmods.com/crimsondesert/mods/20

[crude marsh]

I am already able to decrypt, decompress, modify, and repack the games files

its just.... not very reliable

[modern bronze]

It’s kinda like KFC. It doesn’t stand for Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore, it’s just KFC. DLSS is just the name of their AI and upscaling suite at this point. Deep learning super sampling isn’t really an accurate summary of everything it does.

[viscid wedge]

Yeah I just think that was a mistake

[wispy crown]

It wasn't a mistake from a marketing perspective and that's what counts

Confusing the consumer can be very beneficial for the company

[viscid wedge]

I see it as the opposite. The ignorant masses still hate "DLSS" due to the features they keep adding and they think its all the same. Case in point, DLSS5. Now the incredible DLSS-SR (at least when used correctly) has another black mark on its name from normies who just think its all the same and DLSS5 is a joke.

I'm seeing this all the time. Bring up DLSS and immediately people do the equivalent of "eww I don't want AI faces". Then you have to take the time to explain no, thats not DLSS.. its tiring.

[crude marsh]

people still think running DLAA is a good idea (this game is different from the norm)

[wispy crown]

The masses see the DLSS on/off marketing videos from Nvidia where the number goes from 20 FPS to 300 FPS and buy a GeForce GPU.

[viscid wedge]

In my personal experience thats not always true. Especially the last week or two.

[crude marsh]

I mean hell you still have the anti TAA crowd when its the baseline for every modern engine and DLSS does an incredible job even at half resolution

[jade flame]

Isn't it?
It's better than TAA at least. (I know DLAA still uses TAA but generally has better results)

[wispy crown]

I think we're still in the minority. When you look at steam stats you can see what GPUs really sell and I don't think a lot of them ever even put out a tweet or know what frame generation is.

[dire pilot]

the fuck TAA subreddit is hilarious

[rough granite]

Was thinking more how he can only modify stuff at runtime before the game encrypt anything, although it’s for the save file, not sure if similar for other stuff

[dire pilot]

ah yes, SMAA looks so good - sure, Jan

[crude marsh]

DLAA is absolutely pointless performance killer in the vast majority of games

this game just implements upscaling terribly

[worn ibex]

Is it not a good idea?

[viscid wedge]

yeah I mean lets be honest they're all 1080p gamers for the most part, shoudn't really be touching any of this stuff

[worn ibex]

For like CNN model

[dire pilot]

personally, I can't tell a difference between dlaa and preset l on performance

[worn ibex]

DLAA cnn preserves highlights better iirc

[crude marsh]

4.5 has specular detail and highlights

4.0 doesnt

[worn ibex]

Also DLAA with RR fixes all the problems people have with RE9s rendering

It’s expensive yes

But it fixes it

[wispy crown]

4.5 is quite nice if it wouldn't ruin half of the games with RT noise

[crude marsh]

RE9 still has awful noise with DLAA

the PT is just not great in many places

[worn ibex]

I’ve gone back and forth at 4K and it looks really clean with DLAA when it comes to resolving detail, the noise is another issue

[wispy crown]

Isn't the noise due to the low ray count and mostly dimly lit scenes?

[crude marsh]

IBL sampling in interiors obliterates texture detail

[worn ibex]

Thin elements like wires and fences are still something dlss struggles with

[summer notch]

Improves but doesn't fix, I used 75% scale for most of the game

[crude marsh]

low ray count yeah

and its using a cheaper PT implementation

[worn ibex]

IBL sampling off kills a lot of material properties and details in RC though

[crude marsh]

regardless the PT is just broken in RC

[worn ibex]

Regardless it still looks better than this

[dire pilot]

just imagine we're in the future where everything is wireless and fences are no longer needed ez lol

[worn ibex]

What

[dire pilot]

it's a bad joke

just ignore what looks bad to have a better experience

[worn ibex]

Oh…

Wireless…

Jfc bro that’s horrible

[summer notch]

I haven't unlocked that ability

[crude marsh]

the fence noise is also due to the fog behind it being very noisy

[worn ibex]

Oic

[crude marsh]

volumetrics + thin details

is hard

[dire pilot]

that's my job

[craggy meteor]

can please someone direct me to the download source for the early acces file please

sorry to interrupt

[crude marsh]

pins

[craggy meteor]

yo thanks mate

[crude marsh]

Ive been trying to hook various things for a while

and not much luck so far, I think denuvo makes finding things a lot harder

[ruby tusk]

What's your consensus on best visual settings for this game? What would you run?

[wispy crown]

Not advertising piracy but the guys doing Hypervisor workarounds saying that Crimson Desert Denuvo has quite a few new checks implemented.

[crude marsh]

fun times

[wispy crown]

DLSS RR Performance from 4K if you can afford it otherwise straight up DLAA 4.0. Make sure lighting quality is set to cinematic if not using RR.

[crude marsh]

for best lighting and for interiors to be manageable, RR with whatever you can manage fps wise

otherwise DLAA 4.0 yeah

[worn ibex]

Also iirc RR alr runs on FP8, same as DLSS 4.5, and has a higher cost right

[ruby tusk]

I'm on 9800x3d/4090 , 3440x1440 qd-oled

[crude marsh]

game has too much lighting/GI noise for 4.5

[ruby tusk]

Got it

thanks guys

[crude marsh]

I can, but its a bit uncomfortable in terms of fps

[wispy crown]

Maybe you can do RR Quality?

[lime bridge]

Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but the "No HUD and effects" mod on Nexus lets you turn off that debris that constantly pops in around the player

[ruby tusk]

Yeah I'll try DLAA 4.0 + RR or Quality + RR

[wispy crown]

No no please not 😄 RR replaces DLAA/DLSS.

[ruby tusk]

Nah I know

Its it own thing

[crude marsh]

be aware RR is expensive but its because its actually forcing RTGI

not much RTGI without RR

[ruby tusk]

Yeah forces Max

[crude marsh]

no

behind the scenes

[ruby tusk]

Oh

[crude marsh]

does way more

[ruby tusk]

Got it, thank you

[crude marsh]

#1469072401450012774 message

all max settings rr off and on

[ruby tusk]

Crazy

Thanks for showing

[crude marsh]

yeah, game by default uses extremely low sample count for GI

[ruby tusk]

[crude marsh]

even on max settings

[low crane]

So is it possible to enable RR without this expensive rt gi, just to get better denoising?

[crude marsh]

not currently

[golden scaffold]

Peak sloppa mod

[lime bridge]

What's the main difference between Psycho and RenoDRT?

[low crane]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dumb-and-39

[final imp]

Why is RR so expensive, they use no denoiser without or what

[golden scaffold]

I think renodrt was based on ACES2 while psycho uses a completely new and more suitable tonemapper for gaming

[faint bobcat]

GOING TO PLAST A BIG ASS MESSAGE EXPLAINING THAT RR FORCES ON RESTIR AND HIGHER QUALITY SETTINGS NOT JUST DENOISING. ITS NOT COMPARABLE TO "MAX" LIGHTING QUALITY WITHOUT RR OR ANY OF THE OTHER LIGHTING QUALITY SETTINGS. LIGHTING WITHOUT RR LOOKS ABYSMAL WHICH IS WHY ITS CHEAP

[lime bridge]

interesting. I think it looks fantastic in This game at least so far, looking forward to seeing it in some others

[summer notch]

Why RR so expensive though?

[faint bobcat]

bad devs

[tawny ravine]

And then you gotta make it photorealistic after you optimise the shadows

[faint bobcat]

Kevin said

UE5 and its consequences

[sly swift]

Ohhhhh okay I can understand that now, why do they gotta make everything complicated 😭 but whatever drives sales I guess

[teal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

[golden scaffold]

Don't forget to mention it breaks the game if you turn RR off and leave the lighting at "max" found out the hard way

[outer furnace]

fixable?

[faint bobcat]

fix?

you use RR

theres your fix

[outer furnace]

i mean

maybe unlink it from forcing max lighting if that is possible so it doesnt eat fucking 50% fps

or anything else to optimize

???

[true dagger]

holy fk 10 fps lmao

[golden scaffold]

These guys must know something we don't

[ruby tusk]

[fresh sparrow]

I have no idea what is happening here or if things are moving lol

[lime bridge]

btw is the exposure bump with the newer version the default setting? or is the "1.00" exposure now the equivalent of 1.25?

[crude marsh]

is default

[outer furnace]

time to fortnite slopify the game

[narrow frost]

That was just on my mind as I saw it was posted on Github, good thing I did revert it to 1.00 😄

[wicked cobalt]

how to download the reno dx for CD?

[fresh sparrow]

Yesterday someone was talking about HDR and I believe I saw someone say you need the game running in fullscreen for HDR in this game. Is that true or is windowed fullscreen fine too?

[lime bridge]

check the pin

[ruby tusk]

check pins

[wicked cobalt]

got it, thank you

[daring orbit]

im in bordless windowed, seems fine to me

[lyric aurora]

any idea why this looks grainy asf ? looks on other gameplay with same setings and don't happen ALL cineamtic DLSS quality RR on HDR on + reno

[crude knot]

Hi, I've installed RenoDX (Reshade is injected via Special K) but changing the values doesn't change anything in the game. Can you help me? Thanks

[faint bobcat]

@crude marsh babes can you check Terrain Shadow Map Boundary

They do a hard in / out for frustum. So either pixel is shaded or not for shadows

Theres no gradual fade in with the ToD. It just instantly pops in the shadows or makes them disappear

bruh

why

[viscid wedge]

Never been able to get that to work myself, but with a normal reshade installation the sliders work fine. SK also lauches and injects fine too.

[crude knot]

So is SK injection working for you?

[daring orbit]

looks like dlss enabler is getting updated for cd today

[viscid wedge]

Yep. Just installed reshade through the normal installer, plopped RenoDX in the folder and launched the game using SK. Both Reshade and SK work together and haven't (yet) had an issue.

[crude knot]

Ok, and that's fine for me too. Does RenoDX sliders work for you with this setup?

[viscid wedge]

Yep, perfectly

[exotic bridge]

So currently the best option is to have RENODX with RR + DLAA or RR + quality for a little more fps?

[true dagger]

i play on Reno+RR+Balanced and im happy, 1440p ultrawide

[viscid wedge]

I mean, I'm not happy with the performance with RR + DLAA or Quality so its performance for me. 4K / 4090.

[true dagger]

just dont see a huge difference between DLAA and Balanced

[crude knot]

Ok, then something is not working in my game 😅

[exotic bridge]

And is there no solution for the blur with the RR?

[neon whale]

Use lilium Rcas

[viscid wedge]

been there, man. if reshade normal + Reno works, then you'll probably have to get help in the SK discord. Make sure to reset your ini

[devout temple]

Is this all we need to move to the installaton folder?

[viscid wedge]

assuming ReShade w/ Addon support is installed

[hybrid nova]

why doesnt photo mode capture HDR?

[viscid wedge]

your only usable options for capturing HDR in good PNG's is really ReShade (which you have already if you're using RenoDX, configure in the settings) or SpecialK.

[true dagger]

i just used the photo mode and capture with SKIV

[daring orbit]

I had to make a custom preset between qaulity and preformance

[viscid wedge]

Yep. Enter photo mode, line up shot, hide HUD and capture

[true dagger]

isnt that just Balanced?

[carmine stump]

Hmm, I kinda have the feeling RR preset E is better in terms of lighting stability. Or am I trippin?

[daring orbit]

I mean between balanced and preformance

[true dagger]

ohh i see

[daring orbit]

Definitely use rr e

[true dagger]

im pretty happy with balanced tbh

im not on 4k tho so

[jade flame]

I can't get custom quality to work. Tried to do 99% and it didn't go

[daring orbit]

Im just using optiscaler

[unkempt forge]

Where can I download RenoDX for CD?

[jade flame]

Ah. I was using NVPI.

[daring orbit]

I recommend optiscaler, to get rid of dlss sharpening

[potent spear]

@faint bobcat dunno if location matters for you but the black smudge issue is consistent at the Wycliffe Mappery

[viscid wedge]

seems to work fine in the Nvidia app

[jade flame]

I never installed NV App XP

[viscid wedge]

oh is that what we're calling it? I've seen this elusive beast.

[vivid iris]

And reshade with addon support

[fresh field]

i seem to only see that 'smudge' when the lantern is on in my experience

[foggy cove]

what the heck they responded in the comments on my crimson desert review

i didn't see any others they responded to

[analog charm]

ctrl+c ctrl+v

[oblique mango]

u guys game on peak100hdr or hdrgame mostly?

[foggy cove]

that's what i thought but i couldn't see any others that they responded to?

[crude knot]

Without SK it works (standolone Reshade with addons). I've also updated the SK reshade with addons in SK Plugins folder

[viscid wedge]

what are you referring to?

[oblique mango]

monitor mode?

[crude marsh]

I'll see if I can find anything after I fight with LG to update my monitor

[viscid wedge]

Oh, I use an OLED TV, no modes like that. Wouldn't that be specific to your particular monitor in regards to what is suggested? Not every display is going to work the same as yours.

[oblique mango]

my bad, my monitor is aoc agon pro ag276qzd2

why is my screenshot looks more vibrant than my monitor 💀

[wise flax]

@oblique mango I think that depends on your specific monitor. I'd assume without looking it up that "Hdrgame" is likely True Black 400 or something similar. I personally use HDR1000 on my MSI MPG 321URX, but allot of people use True Black 400. True Black 400 does not get brighter than 400nits while HDR1000 can go up to 1000 nits (or slightly over) as the descriptions say. HDR 400 is going to be able to get brighter in a bigger area of the screen and have more consistency typically. HDR1000 will have much brighter smaller highlights, but very bright scenes won't get as bright overall.

[oblique mango]

thanks for the explanation, so what is the min req for best hdr? hdr10+?

[unique sluice]

What's the best configuration for Renodx in Crimson Desert? I have a QN90D

can you help me?

[wise flax]

I'm not the most technically savvy when it comes to HDR and I'm not someone who contributes to Reno so I don't want to give recommendations.

[potent spear]

It is what I called it yes for lack of a better word

[wise flax]

@oblique mango I'd recommend looking for reddit posts, youtube videos or something like that about your specific monitor or TV for more info and recommendations.

[viscid wedge]

Ideally you'll want to enable Windows HDR, run the official calibration tool for 450nits (per your monitors peak brightness in a 10% window). HDR should be enabled in game then simply manage RenoDX through ReShade.

[unique sluice]

What HDR settings are you using? And what TV do you have?

[wise flax]

I mentioned above I have an MSI MPG321URX, and I use HDR1000 with mostly default RenoDX settings. As I mentioned to the other guy you should look for reddit posts, youtube vids etc for more in depth info about your TV and recommendations.

[viscid wedge]

tl;dr run the hdr calibration tool, startup the game with renodx installed. Can just modify settings within RenoDX from there.. it will read your peak brightness from what you set in the calibration tool and you can verify that in the Reno window.

[foggy cove]

@faint bobcat do you know why this happens lol
https://youtu.be/mM786JjmBSo&t=434

i timestampped it

[naive terrace]

Any way to fix this?

[true dagger]

ur running better settings than me and i dont have that

[naive terrace]

yeah, I this is a random bug

[true dagger]

in the sense that u are all cinematic i have a few on ultra, rest is the same

[naive terrace]

Rebooting the game now to check

[uneven hamlet]

I think the Discord overlay caused it for me, but I just disabled all overlays, meaning steam, discord and nvidia

[naive terrace]

wtf really? I think I have it off tho

[unique sluice]

How did you configure your HDR? you use OLED?

[viscid wedge]

I've not seen that, also similar settings.

[viscid wedge]

#1469072401450012774 message

[unique sluice]

remove full screen

[wise flax]

@naive terrace DLAA helps, but you can't run DLAA + HDR without the black bar glitch. DLSS even at quality causes way more shimmering, especially in shadows indoor compared to native...

[true dagger]

i do have some noise/graininess only sometimes and only on a few objects, like for example whenever the Smithy is Refining, i see some artifacts

[wise flax]

Also DLAA+RR is unplayable even with a 5090 imo.

[unique sluice]

thank you bro

[lethal dawn]

Is there an update for this yet or just using previous version of Reno?

[viscid wedge]

current version, not previous

[barren pasture]

strange, i run RR+DLAA+Renodx and i dont have flickering bar issue

[naive terrace]

now the issue is gone after restarting the game lol

[lethal dawn]

Is the one on the git updated?

[tame vault]

Dayum. 4K?

[viscid wedge]

the only time I'd see anything that looked like that was with RR off. Musta just been a bug

[hidden ivy]

What black bar glitch? I'm running DLAA + FG + HDR and have no gitches

[barren pasture]

hmm no, 1440p

[tame vault]

What FPS?