Crimson Desert - CHECK PINS FOR ADDON

[golden scaffold]

So is the recommended setting dlss4 with RR on?

All my console friends love the game btw they got no complaints everyone loves it 🤷‍♂️

[tawny ravine]

I mean if you didn't overhype yourself and you didn't expect a good story I can see people having fun for sure

Reddit was going ballistic about how it will be GOTY and game of the decade before launch tho

[sly swift]

only thing going for it is decent graphics compared to recently released titles, but other than that it’s just an offline morph game demo with no set vision is how I see it at the moment, maybe will change in the future for me

[golden scaffold]

I'm expecting jank as a bdo veteran myself im coming into this with open arms as its kinda nostalgic

[tawny ravine]

Ya I used to play BDO too so I had zero expectations for the story tbh. Considering how much AI slop they put in the game I wouldn't be surprised if the story is AI assisted too

But most people don't care about that

[placid snow]

idk I felt the mixed rating was pretty justified. it's a decent game, but it's just kinda another open world title in an insanely oversaturated market. at least I didn't feel like there was anything worth $70 in the first hour and a half.

maybe it gets better later on, but I'll wait for a sale to pick it back up

[sly swift]

i think if it was like $30 it would be ok

$70 def not

[placid snow]

yeah

[lament nymph]

its a $70 game, just a very good $70 game

[low crane]

Why do reno look so dark here? Vanilla - Reno

[lament nymph]

the scale is massive, the dev time must be enormous

[fresh smelt]

i went in knowing nothing and am enjoying it
it's got a bit of everything i like in it so far
just waiting for the racing section to show up

[placid snow]

okay but scale =/= worth $70

[sly swift]

if it had a good story for $70 then maybe i'd keep it

[lament nymph]

games that should not be $70 is like code vein 2

[sly swift]

there's a lot of games that shouldnt be $70 but im not saying they're okay at $70 and crimson desert isn't

[placid snow]

i can get this same game playing the stuff in my backlog

[frail wyvern]

You can climb up high and see for DAYS!

[tawny ravine]

Yeah I think they made the game so it offers something to everyone. They really crammed a thousand different things into the game

[faint bobcat]

Graphics slop is coming

maybe

[sly swift]

maybe if they kept their intention of it being an mmorpg it could have been better

[vivid iris]

what's brightness set to?

[tawny ravine]

Is it actually confirmed crimson desert was supposed to be mmo at first?

[placid snow]

the game did run damn great apart from a bit of visual artifacts, and that's a pretty big bonus in the current gaming landscape of borderlands 4s

[low crane]

default 203

[clever spindle]

why are chinese review bombing

[fresh smelt]

is that a shadow i see

[tawny ravine]

Dunno but Chinese gamers are next level insane and rabid in general

[sly swift]

it's something i've heard but i haven't directly looked for a source; i should probably do that now.

[tawny ravine]

I'm more surprised Koreans are review bombing the game

[vivid iris]

hmmmm not really sure. Is it literally only this area?

Was there a sudden jump in brightness?

[tawny ravine]

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest the start of the game does feel lime the start of an mmo

[low crane]

Dont know. I just noticed when i got there that it was darker than it should.

[lament nymph]

now gotta wait for someone to fix this horribad surround audio

[sly swift]

In an article by wccftech, they mentioned "Originally meant to be an MMO with a greater story focus compared to the studio's previous Black Desert Online, Crimson Desert has now shifted to an open world action/adventure game even more focused on the campaign, although some multiplayer features remain." in 2020. No idea how well-established this news outlet is but they also mention they had an interview with the lead producer behind it, "At the recent G-Star 2019 in Seoul, South Korea, we had the pleasure of sitting down with Jason Jung, the Lead Producer for Crimson Desert, the next-generation MMORPG coming from Pearl Abyss (Black Desert Online)." in 2019.

[vivid iris]

alright well I'll keep an eye out for it

[lament nymph]

so how to fix blurriness, foliage is blending together

[sly swift]

they initially were gonna have cross play in this game

[faint bobcat]

well fellas

[low crane]

Whats the default game brightness/paper white of the game?? at50%

[faint bobcat]

my shadow code makes you lose 2FPS

oh no

[tawny ravine]

Huh I have no idea what they meant with greater story focus because even BDO had better story at the start from my memory
But it would make sense they were planning on making another mmo at first considering how successful BDO was and still is probably

[faint bobcat]

optimisation ruined

[worthy kernel]

abysmal

[sly swift]

yeah ive heard nothing but complaints of a lack of story rather than the quality of it too. how are you enjoying the game? i did only stop playing after like 30 minutes because i just wasn't a fan of the combat, but im willing to give it a try again if it does get better after an hour or so

to me it's like why do i need to invest multiple hours to get hooked into a game by an unknown studio (by most)

[mortal wolf]

Could be a bad half/float thing in there

[viscid wedge]

this shadow has broken free of physics

[tawny ravine]

I am just waiting for forge and Jon to unslop the game and for the keybindings to get fixed before really getting into the game. And DLAA is broken too so yeah am just waiting for now

[sly swift]

oh yeah that's right. do let me know what you think! i may give it a chance later on down the road. i tbh am more interested in playing other games so that may be a factor as to why i'm rather harsh on the game at the moment

[placid snow]

the combat just felt like R1 simulator, but I've heard there's more depth?

at least later game.

but I just can't justify $70 for a game that doesn't fully hook me right now lmao

[sly swift]

yeah that's what i thought, also it was a bit too flashy for me and the camera made it hard for me to see what im actually doing. but i was playing in hdr so that may have a slight factor

[subtle sinew]

I had to bump exposure as well

[sly swift]

$70 for a lack of a story is what bothers me the most

[tawny ravine]

Yeah me too and from what I heard late game is really buggy. Best to let the game cook in the oven and for the modding community to cook before giving the game a serious try. The lackluster story and lore is really a big shame though

Apparently the other playable characters you unlock are even worse than Kliff

[subtle sinew]

Someone make a camera height mod it feels like I'm controlling kliff with a drone

[frosty fulcrum]

I don't need a story

[placid snow]

i couldn't care about the story tbh. my main issue is I have so much other games that have this same formula that I could be playing instead. the only thing CD has is visuals, and that's not worth $70 imo.

[low crane]

Yea, quite alot too. To 1.50

[sly swift]

holy shit this is the best way to explain it

[frosty fulcrum]

The game is oddly addicting

[sly swift]

Kinda sad that $70 games need to rely on mods and stuff :/

[tawny ravine]

Idk I personally need a decent story to stay invested in a game that is 50-150 hours long maybe even longer.

[placid snow]

i can just play wuwa or Endfield if I want an open world title. and if I want a good one I'll boot up my switch and get back into botw/totk

[sly swift]

That's what I mean, I feel like story has a big impact. Why do I care about a lack luster story when I can get a similar experience on other games and probably better utlizied mechanics, while having an investing story

[placid snow]

don't even get me started on the mechanics lmao

why does it just chuck you like 700 systems in the first hour

[tawny ravine]

Sadly yeah it's more and more common. With Bethesda especially. They are really pivoting hard towards paid mods. And they did say they are going to expand onto that

Which sucks in one hand

[sly swift]

they could have easily gone elden ring route and make everything vague; and the idea of having a main character should have not been a thing since they have a great creator customization too

[golden scaffold]

So you guys are saying RT on with RR is a must for this game or can I run it with RT off?

[sly swift]

i think RT on with RR at the moment is best

[placid snow]

if you're fine with no rain and have the hardware to run it, RR is the best

[golden scaffold]

Where can I see what does RT actually effect like for example (besides reflections)

[jade flame]

Everything is a tradeoff.
RR forces Preset D which looks like ass.

No RR gives you more RT noise & artifacts.

[golden scaffold]

I get 37 fps in performance mode on 4K with RR but I can go 80 fps with ultra perf L model instead it's what I'm debating

Ultra perf on old model looks rough

[tawny ravine]

They really should have ported the BDO character creator into crimson desert. If you are going to make your main character a soulless husk and name him Kliff Macduff then at that point just scrap the idea 😭

[crude marsh]

interiors without RR are pretty abysmal, tons of artifacts

[jade flame]

Personally I wouldn't try to use RR on anything lower than a 5080. But that's me.

[crude marsh]

granted game is a visual mess no matter what

[golden scaffold]

What about without RT at all?

[viscid wedge]

at 4K w/ a 4090, i've settled on DLSS4.5 Performance + RR. Mix of mostly ultra and cinematic settings.

[sly swift]

yeah i wonder what really happened during development

[crude marsh]

havent tried without RT yet

[golden scaffold]

Framegen works fine?

[viscid wedge]

now thats a good question, i haven't touched FG yet

[placid snow]

oh and them saying "yeah we're not going to support Intel Arc GPUs" only after releasing the game fills me with the ick

[golden scaffold]

I'm like actually thinking disabling RT I'm trying to spot a difference rn

[crude marsh]

FG works well

[neon whale]

RR halves my FPS on my 5070TI

[tawny ravine]

There probably was a push for a "greater story focus" as the article says at one point but maybe they didn't have competent enough writers and gave up half way through? I have no idea and I doubt we will ever find out xD

[worldly frost]

https://youtu.be/j7m9AdmKxg4?si=w14Ls_gvAUdj73

[crude marsh]

its because RR is also increasing the RT resolution

[neon whale]

I go from 95 to 40 something at 1440p dlss quality

[worldly frost]

Looks like disabling rt can completely break lighting in some cases?

[viscid wedge]

you need to increase your upscaling factor to compensate

[neon whale]

at 1440p can't really do that

[golden scaffold]

Oh wtf the game is actually BROKEN without RT what is going on

[neon whale]

don't like how it look lowers than balanced

[crude marsh]

this game scales incredibly poorly with resolution unfortunately

[barren pasture]

try 75% which is 1080p at 1440p

[sly swift]

unfortunate but that's business i guess
also wonder if they were expecting the hype that was going to came along too which i do believe hurt the game's score

[viscid wedge]

well thats unfortunate. I had to go from Quality (37fps) to Performance (~75ish) to run RR at 4K.

[neon whale]

yeah time to upgrade my monitor

[noble sapphire]

Got a black screen when trying to force 42% DLSS render res through nvpi

[neon whale]

time to go to sleep

twitch drops done

[worn ibex]

@faint bobcat https://youtu.be/KznDkBZc3cM?t=24

[rose jewel]

the npc interactions is insane

[placid snow]

with what GPU? RR at 4k felt kinda bad even with DLSS perf on 5070Ti

[crude marsh]

pretty sure they are maxing some of the RT samples with RR, typically it won't cost more than like 10-15 base fps but costs like 30-40% perf in this game

[viscid wedge]

sorry, 4090

[placid snow]

though to be honest the game looks kind of off even at native settings and no DLAA.

[faint bobcat]

you mean to tell me they went from 1/64th to 1/2 or maybe even 1 ray

🤯

[worn ibex]

everything i have seen of the gameplay looks fun

[frail wyvern]

Got mine last night! 👍

[golden scaffold]

No weird artifacts or anything? Should I just leave it on?

[tawny ravine]

I think they probably did. Maybe not 240k peak players on Thursday night launch. Wouldn't be surprised if they met their sales expectations. Think it sold 2 million copies already

[low crane]

Vanilla VS Reno. Lookin good. wtf where devs thinking with that sharpening and ca..

[crude marsh]

minor UI stuff as usual

[worn ibex]

wait reno is out?

[rose jewel]

the mod already out?

[viscid wedge]

a WIP build

[crude marsh]

pinned i think

[frail wyvern]

https://klipy.com/gifs/out-now-in-stores

[sly swift]

i think they can still fix the game, hopefully with the amount of sales they'll consider adjusting the game quite a bit to reach their actual vision

[fresh sparrow]

Unrelated to the mod, can't seem to tap into the depth buffer for this game in reshade, strange

Might not need to bother with it though with reno coming out

[true dagger]

anybody down to catch Jeffrey? 💯

[tawny ravine]

I hope they will. But their PR manager guy doesn't inspire confidence

[sly swift]

is that guy strictly PR or are they a part of the dev team? cause sometimes they don't know shit 😭

but.... it's likely

[placid snow]

if they add a microtransaction shop then I ain't picking the game back up lmao

[tawny ravine]

I think he's strictly PR and that he doesn't know shit but we will see

[mortal wolf]

this guy?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/wjpowers/

has a linked in. definitely PR

sounds like a gamer tho

but i think you must be a gamer to deal with gamers

[worn ibex]

pr for razer before this...

[sly swift]

arent most korean mmorpgs heavy on microtransactions?

[rose jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dacjty4cYE

[mortal wolf]

jumped to random frame

https://tenor.com/view/sienna-gif-4082141451029496895

[vivid iris]

@low crane found that spot, there's nothing wrong with it, the default brightness for native HDR is just a lot higher. More like 300 paper white

but it's dynamic with peak so this is just true for around 1000 nits

[tawny ravine]

Yeah they go all in on microtransactions usually. Especially the mmos

[viscid wedge]

pro tip. if you break something and the game won't start, config file is in

"C:\Users%USERNAME%\AppData\Local\Pearl Abyss\CD\save\user_engine_option_save.xml"

I was able to edit the XML, save it, and it took effect on next start.

[mortal wolf]

compare sdr please, good sir 🙏

[edgy raft]

Same with a 4080

Had to refund

[analog charm]

try using your mouse's scrollwheel :P

[ruby crown]

There is eye adaptation that seems to be everywhere too

[placid snow]

i mean the game felt fine with RR off

[edgy raft]

Yes felt, but doesn't look nearly as good. Too many things are tied to RR

[vivid iris]

hmmm shit I guess there is a difference

[crude marsh]

you don't like turning slightly left and the entire scenes intensity changing by 50%?

[mortal wolf]

okay, now i'm interested in the game

[ruby crown]

I saw some spots that straight up felt like night time

let me go grab screenshots lol

[ruby crown]

it's sufficiently broken for you?

[vivid iris]

one sec I'll post screenshots

[crude marsh]

the sky/sun is wrecking the exposure like usual, but quite bad in this game

[mortal wolf]

first ACESv2 game, gotta look into it

[vivid iris]

actually don't take my word for it there

I'm probably seeing ABL

I'm certainly seeing ABL

[mortal wolf]

lilium shader don't lie though

[vivid iris]

not useful for sdr comparison

[mortal wolf]

@faint bobcat what's your ko-fi

[faint bobcat]

just made one for the game

[sly swift]

LETS GO!!!!!

[faint bobcat]

https://ko-fi.com/forge87682

[mortal wolf]

https://ko-fi.com/shortfuse/goal?g=0

Help Jon and Forge on the Crimson Desert mod

Jon's Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/kickfister
Forge's Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/forge87682

[faint bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

help

yh I need some help

becasue I am going into therapy after this

[neon whale]

is the intro always supposed to last this long?

[faint bobcat]

yes

[sly swift]

oh yeah that's another thing about that game LOL

[faint bobcat]

its longer if you have shader cache

[neon whale]

LMAO

[vivid iris]

SDR | ACESv2 | PsychoV 203 Game Brightness

[mortal wolf]

it's to prepare you for hours of Chromatic Aberration

[ruby crown]

it's certainly one way to discourage save scumming

[viscid wedge]

man, save the game an on load, who the hell knows where you'll be standing. So bizarre

[mortal wolf]

how are you scaling 203/203?

[neon whale]

removed that immediately KEKW

[analog charm]

it does a second shader compilation here, but subsequent loads are really quick

[vivid iris]

in PQ encode function

[worn ibex]

what is the difference between the vanilla+ tonemapper in other games vs the new PsychoV tonemapper

[vivid iris]

this is a straight up replacement while a lot of renodx mods borrow vanilla curves and display map

[mortal wolf]

i expect some boost from w_g, but should match sdr at minimum.... does SDR use the same lut builder? if so what peak nits?

[vivid iris]

to simplify

uhhhh I'd guess it does use the same one

lutbuilder doesn't run all the time though

[mortal wolf]

psychov is an psychovisual tonemapper. like filmic is meant to replicate how film processes linear light, psychovisual is meant to replicate how your eyes see linear light

[worn ibex]

is it plug and play for every game or does it have some quirks

[worn ibex]

ah

[vivid iris]

ai only found the singular lutbuilder when searching the shader dump

[late marlin]

So i guess when there will be a Crimson Desert Renodx Mod it will be on the GitHub Page and i don't need to scroll through this Chat here to find a File, right? Just to make sure:D

[faint bobcat]

We will upload on Nexus as well

after its out of WIP

[viscid wedge]

its pinned at the moment

[worn ibex]

i would assume it should be possible to build a probablistic tool to find LUT builders/parse through shader dumps. LLMs are really dogshit when it comes to large data sets/dump files

[vivid iris]

pinned build isn't far off from what will be finished

unless there's something actually wrong with brightness rn

[worn ibex]

they dont have context, the upload the entire thing to memory every single time

[vivid iris]

in terms of HDR anyway

[late marlin]

Uuuh nice. So wip means work in progress, right? I will try it out. What do you guys think? It's probably already better than the stock HDR

[mortal wolf]

you're going to need some sanity checks like inputting 0.18. i know daniele does 0.18 => 0.10 for hdr i think, but SDR should look the same. SDR should have no white boost, unless we're missing a scaler. but still. (or this is just ACESv2 highlight boosting and the scene is mostly in highlights range)

[vivid iris]

oh there's probably a good chance that's it actually

[ruby crown]

I like how the game has a 10,000 nit flashbang on the loading screen too

[mortal wolf]

prerecorded video?

[vivid iris]

yeah it's ass

[vivid iris]

worth using for sure

[ruby crown]

after this scene, it flashes white

I don't think it's prerecorded

if I spoiler tag is it still going to flashbang?

guess we'll find out

[mortal wolf]

probably some lerp to 1.0 and 1.0 is 10000 nits in PQ, but 100 nits in SDR

[vivid iris]

[clever spindle]

why is SDR brighter

[mortal wolf]

ow

[vivid iris]

trying to figure that out

[mortal wolf]

50% transparency of 10000 nits is ... 5000 nits

[ruby crown]

okay sorry about that need to find another way to share those

[neon whale]

can't wait for the first mods to come and rmove this stupid charging button thing on everything

[mortal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-knowing-is-half-the-battle-the-more-you-know-learning-gif-9715923487891305728

[vivid iris]

I can't just feed midgray into it since it does dynamic boosts with in-game peak

[ruby crown]

okay here's an sdr screenshot of the tonemapped version

[mortal wolf]

well, it's just to understand th epeak

[ruby crown]

guess it's just fading in to the meditation scene

and really really bright

[mortal wolf]

but still, SDR should have a fixed scaler

[worn ibex]

@crude marsh have you guys made some big improvements to avowed?

iirc that game looks like a beauty art style wise

[vivid iris]

sdr uses a different tone map shader, let me try to find it

[mortal wolf]

all the burnt sienna i've seen was SDR, so probably still ACESv2

[ruby crown]

[worn ibex]

jfc

does it not cap

[subtle sinew]

I'm on controller but even still it's too high when you zoom in

[ruby crown]

I guess not in this particular scene

[vivid iris]

yeah I think it uses the same lutbuilder, but the sampling shader is different

[worthy kernel]

eye-searing highlights, perfect hdr

[mortal wolf]

there was an exposure slider, and i'm not sure where that is

[vivid iris]

this shader takes the same spot as the tone map shader in HDR but doesn't decomp and also isn't called a tone map shader, but maybe it's a part of it near the end or something 🤷

[potent spear]

sick lod

[faint bobcat]

oh no

3 autists

where is that WallSoGB post

@wheat elk

[mortal wolf]

this game is going to have jetpacks by tomorrow

[faint bobcat]

he said three autists working in tandem is a mess he cant wait to see

[abstract hawk]

Now install it, block steam from reaching servers, spend time fixing it but don't let hrs get logged to server, and issue refund.

Ez win.

[abstract hawk]

You joke, but they're in the game lmao

[faint bobcat]

he doesnt know

[abstract hawk]

Like there's whole robots and what not shit, it gets wild.

[sly swift]

is that an actual thing you can do?

[abstract hawk]

Never tried, lmao

But in theory, would work.

But you'd likely get dinged anyway afterwards.

[mortal wolf]

tries one day, rip renodx development

[sly swift]

i mean it kinda does make sense in theory but i also would think steam would have some kind of logging on client anyways no?

[faint bobcat]

gets sued by Gaben

[abstract hawk]

Cause when you do let Steam connect to servers again, it'll log those hours. Unless you wipe Steam and all its proof from drive, and reinstall it before allowing internet access.

[abstract hawk]

There is.

[sly swift]

oh yeah true

[abstract hawk]

That's why you'd have to get rid of that, too.

[mortal wolf]

first world problems

[abstract hawk]

I used to do similar shit to get around family sharing.

[lament nymph]

I'll be honest, playing this game on my couch hurt my eyes cause the font is for ant

[mortal wolf]

making sophie's choice here

[abstract hawk]

Of course the game doesn't have UI scaling. RIP.

[abstract hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/turkish-swipe-ice-cream-bait-and-switch-sucker-wtf-gif-16591501

[mortal wolf]

we can add it....

[abstract hawk]

Me giving my money to Gaben.

[sly swift]

this game is so weird bro lol

[vivid iris]

shortfuse finally got annoyed enough with having an intermediary lmaooo

[mortal wolf]

as long as they don't do the stupid Unity thing where they mesh it

[faint bobcat]

bro was the third wheel

[mortal wolf]

i will have my burnt sienna. i will not be denied what is rightfully mine

[abstract hawk]

Actually, I wonder. Can we have a solution like that akin to UE generic one?

So all UE games can be adjusted with slider or w/e.

[sly swift]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thanos-fine-ill-do-it-myself-0NTG9ffrXT870Wt9qv

[abstract hawk]

Or that'd be too risky brisky, since all games gonna handle it differently?

I reckon UE4SS or w/e is that called might have such a functionality?

[mortal wolf]

you just have to pass oversized screen resolution to the UI shaders

"just have to"

[abstract hawk]

Famous last words.

Cause I find myself leaning forward sometimes to read text.

~12ft from an 85" screen, and everything is good, but text can get annoying in some games.

[sly swift]

wait does this mean shortfuse will have to utilize the upload api for nexus mods now

[abstract hawk]

I don't think there's any implementation needed on that end?

Anyone can use it.

[sly swift]

wrong choice of words

[mortal wolf]

it wont be automatic because existence of an upload api doesn't immediately mean nexusers have learned how to read

(but a script is probably coming)

??

what did i press?

[foggy cove]

gg i've taken control of the server

[vivid iris]

@mortal wolf as a heads up, you're going to see in one of my shaders that I'm srgb encoding a pq encoded color. Know that that is vanilla behavior

[abstract hawk]

You figured out some secret keyboard shortcut for it.

[worn ibex]

And I thought I had a short fuse

[vivid iris]

should probably just fix it, this is just the kinda thing I don't like touching until I have a good idea of how everything works

[lament nymph]

since the graphics is not good enough to warrant couch gaming, gonna be s trictly playing this sitting at my monitor

🥹

[sly swift]

https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

wont have a good idea until you do try to fix it

[mortal wolf]

that would mean fixing a lot of UI shaders no? (also that's your UI scaler)

[worn ibex]

? Wdym

[viscid wedge]

If you've played to this point, wtf was this part. How to do this wasn't taught to you at all. (I googled it)

[vivid iris]

it gets "linearized" in the following post processing shader

but it's after some other stuff runs on the cursed encode

[lament nymph]

exactly what I mean, this game has one of the unstable graphics of all time

objects popping out of thin air, shadows showing up and turning itself off randomly, foliage that blurs together

[vivid iris]

gotta go for a while

[lament nymph]

not to mention the assets quality is all over the place

[worn ibex]

That would be better for TV then lol

[vivid iris]

pushed some more stuff (nothing significant functionality wise)

[lament nymph]

this is not a good looking game, technically bad even

but I don't consider ghost of sushi and ghost of yotei to be good looking games also, solid art direction tho which this game doesn't even have

[covert ruin]

hi can someone summarise what was wrong with the original HDR?

[lament nymph]

wong

[mortal wolf]

uses ACESv2 which is built for real life cameras for SDR cinema presentation. it has blown out highlights (whitish) and incorrect hues for video game assets. flames are pink, hues are wrong. since it's an SDR first tonemapper, the hue system used is only good upto about 300 nits. where SDR usually would have blown out to white, HDR would show color, but the wrong one. Also, it has inconsistent blowout and exposure based on user peak nits.

[mortal wolf]

#1469072401450012774 message stuff like this show the original color turns pink. developers are actually warned by the ACES team themselves to not use the same assets are you would for ACESv1 with ACESv2 with a clear example of things turning pinkish. it requires redoing all your grading and art to work with and only with ACESv2. honestly, nobody is going to do that. and even if they did, the consistency betwen SDR and HDR would probably make that almost impossible. you see white in SDR and pink in HDR, so it's possible devs didn't even know it would turn pink in HDR

i've been meming here about "burnt sienna" because it's a reddish hue that is essentially a consequence of using ACESv2

here's another example of things looking pinkish #1469072401450012774 message

and running it through an AI (think DLSS5) shows what the flames probably should look like #1469072401450012774 message

[wispy crown]

I really appreciate the work and I learn a lot just reading all of this here but I must say after toggling back and forth personally I like how they tuned the default HDR experience. It's just really punchy which works great with the fantasy artstyle they're going for. Maybe the Vanilla+ Tonemapping will be more my jam.

[mortal wolf]

you generally should be able to replicate completely with the sliders, how not entirely sure, because what you see in your output isn't what other see because they change the image based on peak nits

[lament nymph]

good graphics

this room needs an air filter or a dehumidifier

[covert ruin]

yeah i was playing it all day yesterday and found it looked pretty nice to my eye but im going to try renodx and see how it goes

[lament nymph]

where's the smoke coming from if there's no incense burner or anything

the rain actually looks kinda decent now ngl

[mortal wolf]

also ACESv2 is basically what we were shipping years ago with RenoDRT, we've basically moved off it now

Daniele = ACESv2

except they desaturate more as second post process

so a lot of here are looking at the game and are seeing the issues that we've solved/moved away from years ago

[covert ruin]

did they fix the rain with RR?

[clever raptor]

seemed so when i tested it earlier

its definitely plenty visible

[covert ruin]

was there a new patch apart from day 1 patch?

because yesterday when i played i had 0 rain

[jade spruce]

Interesting, seems like the internet is more outraged about the use of some AI art pieces in the game than all the other blatantly eye-demolishing issues with the game.

[golden scaffold]

I had plenty of visible rain with 4.5 without RR but I turned RR back on, although I can't really tell what it improves at all 🤷‍♂️

I would prefer playing with model L tho

But I just don't know what else will get ruined without RR so I keep it on as suggested

[jade spruce]

Rain with RR can probably be fixed but am not sure if it is, requires a custom reactive mask for rain which the devs obviously forgot about.

[golden scaffold]

Oh wait so rain was broken with RR? I still got decent amount of it if I'm not mistaken

In the intro

[jade spruce]

It just vanishes in low contrast scenes

[rose jewel]

my poor man fighting for his sight 🔦

[jade spruce]

So against the sky you probably will see it, but against grey tiles you won't

[true dagger]

doesnt the default denoiser kinda suck tho compared to RR?

[golden scaffold]

I'll play with this around some more. So far I couldn't spot a situation where I could say "yeah this really needs RR"

[dire pilot]

like the rain vanishes against the sky or those rock walls but against a bucket or a wooden stand, it's kind of visible

[jade spruce]

Everything sucks

[golden scaffold]

I'm looking for and I just can't find that noise, I must have bad eyes

[jade flame]

Are people using the flawed game HDR or are y'all turning it off until Reno is ready for CD?

[wispy crown]

It doesn't seem to be a screen space shader but real particles soo I guess it's a bit harder to fix it but jesus christ they have to. Even with DLSS 4.0 / 4.5 it looks so bad.

[golden scaffold]

We have a WIP Reno beta check pins

[wispy crown]

If you can't find that noise then pls just use DLSS 4.0 in DLAA mode with Cinematic Lighting Quality (not max). It's much much better.

[covert ruin]

yeah idk i’ve literally never seen rain or even thunder with RR

[golden scaffold]

I'm on 4K

[jade spruce]

You can make a shader look like it in the 3d environment without actually making it worldspace easily

[jade flame]

Ah. Wasn't sure if it was still kind of too early for general use.

Was kind of looking for a reason to turn off HDR because it's borked with DLAA atm.

[wispy crown]

If you can use Ray Reconstruction on Performance you can do 4.0 DLAA Lighting Quality Cinematic without issues.

[mortal wolf]

oof hdr off by default with Windows HDR on

[golden scaffold]

It already improves a lot i honestly don't know what else still could be improved

[wispy crown]

Yeah and if you start the game once without Windows HDR turned on, the game turns the setting off itself and next time doesn't automatically turn it on again.

[mortal wolf]

wtf is ui brightness "50"

[wispy crown]

Why is it borked with DLAA?

[worn ibex]

I thought someone said here that they fixed it

[jade flame]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimsonDesert/comments/1ryetxt/dlaa_glitching/

[wispy crown]

Straight up put it to zero. Like I don't want the UI over 100 nits

[mortal wolf]

50 = 265 nits

[golden scaffold]

I have it at 10

[wispy crown]

265 nits UI... They really want people to burn in their OLED

[mortal wolf]

actually 300

this is what we're dealing with. sure the recommendation is 203, but... 300

lowest setting is 100

[wispy crown]

Wait UI brightness is really recommended at 203? That's so bright

[wispy crown]

Perfect

[mortal wolf]

yeah, called GRAPHICS_WHITE

[true dagger]

i usually set it to about 150-180 in Reno in most games

[mortal wolf]

it's what subtitles are supposed to be at (Netflix never got the memo, apparently)

[jade flame]

Do the in-game HDR sliders do anything with Reno on?

[true dagger]

i wanted to ask that too before but forgot lol

[wispy crown]

I put it mostly to 100 nits. But I also played Cyberpunk with 100 paper white and 1500 peak brightness in a totally dark room. Felt really immersive that way with RenoDX tonemapping.

[true dagger]

in cyberpunk just use Limited HUD mod :p made it way more immersive tbh

[wispy crown]

Already have it xD

[mortal wolf]

cyberpunk has "Tonemapper Midpoint" which is just exposure

god knows the amount of things CDPR tried to just settle on an exposure slider

couldn't be bothered to ask the UI team to change the name

[wispy crown]

I just used RenoDX mod for that game... I really wish developers would just give us the value in nits instead of random slider with values.

[golden scaffold]

But that midpoint/exposure setting still affects trough Reno iirc

So it was exposure all along! That naming always confused tf out of me

[golden scaffold]

You can adjust UI brightness

Since Reno doesn't have it, you should use the ingame setting for the UI

[potent spear]

yeah I have this as well when combining DLAA with HDR. Have not tested with reno

[analog charm]

shadertoggler can turn off tess, decent results

[viscid wedge]

#1469072401450012774 message

[jade flame]

Reno doesn't fix it at all unfortunately. But not surprising.

[viscid wedge]

I was running DLAA for a bit but I think i'm fully settled on Performance mode + RR. Lighting is just more stable and smooth in my experience so far, especially indoors

[potent spear]

that is what I'm using as well now. The lighting is complete ass without RR, so I feel it's neccessary

[viscid wedge]

Yeah

[faint bobcat]

yuck

[viscid wedge]

Sidenote, did anyone complete Chapter 1? The end of that.. thought this was Crimson Desert: The Battle Royale for a minute there. Figuring out where to drop 😆

[nova cargo]

@vivid iris @faint bobcat @crude marsh keeping a running list of everything wrong you find with the game would be good

[faint bobcat]

already doing one

@mortal wolf I will need your help binding / setting up descriptors for my custom IS-FAST noise as an SRV

they use basic bitch white noise

for all their GI, it clumps together and is one of the reasons why GI shimmers

[exotic bridge]

Reno is out ?

[crude marsh]

I can make a list

[true dagger]

wip version in Pins

[faint bobcat]

oh no

RR isnt even seeing this shader

so GI is having to converge with basic white noise and TAA

yh no wonder its all shimmering and has noise

ogre

[mortal wolf]

i don't trace every shader, just vertex pixel compute

the hull and whatever...

https://tenor.com/view/lucille-bluth-i-dont-understand-the-question-arrested-development-gif-24252267

[faint bobcat]

no I mean RR isnt being used in this shader code

I guess they run RR denoiser later on

so its purely relying on basic TAA

[mortal wolf]

might have to spam snapshot until it appears, may not be every frame

[faint bobcat]

for denoising

[manic finch]

Yeah hopefully the devs fix that DLAA issue, I have it as well

[clever spindle]

RR isn't a shader

it's straight to the driver

[manic finch]

oops meant to reply to a comment lol

[faint bobcat]

You misunderstand

I am not looking for RR

[mortal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-stalin-hats-off-sending-off-gif-15305690

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-greater-good-evil-funny-gif-5283257

[sudden pulsar]

Do I detect additional POMs in Reno?

[vivid iris]

Not yet

[sudden pulsar]

Why the differences on the ground compared to SDR/ACESv2, then? 🤔

[mortal wolf]

contrast

[late marlin]

Btw if you are playing with Ray reconstruction, try forcing preset e in Nvidia profile inspector. Looks way better on my end than the Standard preset d

[vivid iris]

We do a little communism

[mortal wolf]

as a treat

[uncut lynx]

Reno looking good

[rose jewel]

Renodx Vanilla \ Renodx psychov11

[mortal wolf]

psychov is going for a "je ne sais quoi" feeling of reality. how your eyes would adapt to a scene and see the color. ideally you set contrast and saturation to the same number

[abstract hawk]

[lime bridge]

where is the current build?

there was no pin in the window my discord defaulted to, gotcha

[mortal wolf]

#1469072401450012774 message

jon's mistake not putting the link on his kofi

you live, you learn

[faint bobcat]

so to confirm why turning on RR is such a heavy perf coster

GenerateDiffuseRays - generates 1spp ray directions using ReSTIR sampling
PrepareDlssRR
TemporalResampleReservoirsDiffuseCS - ReSTIR temporal
SpatialResampleReservoirsDiffuseCS - ReSTIR spatial
GenerateTiledRadianceCacheOctahedronCS
BilateralReconstructionDiffuseGITiled

[crude marsh]

so in comparison, game without RR barely has GI

[faint bobcat]

and they use white noise for most of these

[faint bobcat]

yes

and why its cheaper

by like 50%

[crude marsh]

would explain why it looks extremely flat without RR

[faint bobcat]

or however much

[mortal wolf]

which white noise?

[faint bobcat]

the most basic one

MCG

[mortal wolf]

i'm looking for a new blue noise for dithering

[faint bobcat]

I have a custom IS-FAST blue noise

fixed a ton of slop in other games

dunno why they are using white noise

for RT

of all things

We will need to bind SRV

so shaders can use

and replace their current basic white noise

[mortal wolf]

i'm using the lumina white noise for grain

[faint bobcat]

flat spectrum white noise

liteerally the worst one you could use

[mortal wolf]

return fract(sin(dot(co.xy ,vec2(12.9898,78.233))) * 43758.5453);

[faint bobcat]

for temporal reconstruction

[mortal wolf]

https://web.archive.org/web/20080211204527/http://lumina.sourceforge.net/Tutorials/Noise.html

this is good for grain with one seed (well + screen xy)

[wheat elk]

whar?

[mortal wolf]

we have reached threshold

the mod can be sponsored by tylenol now

[faint bobcat]

chop chop

[sudden pulsar]

If you ever need a nice RNG, this is a goat https://www.pcg-random.org/index.html

[faint bobcat]

decomp pls

[wheat elk]

lmfao

[faint bobcat]

Johsua recommending me something

yes pls

[sudden pulsar]

[faint bobcat]

when you joining?

working on the addon

[crude marsh]

idk if this is helpful at all but just throwing things I have noticed into notes off the top of my head, don't have a ton to go off of for reflections yet but they don't seem awful - this isn't comprehensive and I realize some things not fixable via shader edits

- low resolution, severe dithering and smearing - extreme disocclusion noise, constant pixel noise on edge
- Cloud shadows - game suddenly becomes extremely flat, suddenly appears from nowhere

Other
- Half resolution rendering artifact - there is a component (possibly shadow component?) that renders half resolution but does not sample back to full resolution which results in drawing in top left quadrant of the screen - appears to always be present though more visible in certain conditions, haven't determined if this is RR specific
- In archive, something appears to be rendering at incorrect scale causing extreme artifacting on floating books (also seen on pedestals)

Particle effects
- All particle effects low resolution, pixelated - some cause severe pixelation on objects
- As first seen in archive, extremely low resolution effect for white line "connecting power"

Post processing effects
- Lens flare is quarter(?) resolution, can count the pixels

Light Sources
- All light sources are physically incorrect - extreme amount of light casted at a distance, extremely bright close to the light source
- All light sources constantly "pop" depending on the distance to the player with gaps where some light sources do not render at all ~20m until you get closer

Interior lighting from exterior
- Light that leaks into interiors from exteriors is incorrect, extremely deep blue that is intense, ghosts, but also flat

Foliage
- Wind is far too severe causing additional noise
- LODs extremely low quality particularly on trees resulting in low quality trees even near the player
- Severe pop in, extremely low quality at a distance, some foliag eloses WPO at unreasonably close distance which also causes shadow popping 

Shadows
- Near shadows often extremely dark causing deep blacks in the middle of the day - far shadows are more correct, shadows around a corner in broad daylight result in nearly pitch black areas
- CSM 0 is maybe 10 meters max, shadows beyond that are a flickering nightmare
- Close shadows (screenspace?) constantly flickering in pretty much all conditions particularly near edges 

Pop in
- Most severe near the player, think everyone knows how bad it is, extreme everywhere in the game especially on buildings and foliage, LODs are far too aggressive

Exposure
- Constantly shifting exposure with wide range resulting in entire scenes intensity changing frequently just by turning slightly in broad daylight

POM
- Forge knows, but extremely broken```

[sudden pulsar]

I am a mofo compared to you guys when it comes to this stuff lol

And I am not yet AI powered enough

[vivid iris]

Wait is this a joke or did I mess something up lol

[sudden pulsar]

I'm using it more these days tho

[dire pilot]

man, getting rid of the sharpening and CA is already a game changer - thanks guys!

[mortal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/fozzy-bear-fozzie-muppets-jokes-dad-joke-gif-16043362

[mortal wolf]

last one is DLC

[crude marsh]

man I wish I could just unfuck all the game assets within 30 minutes like I can in UE

[faint bobcat]

9.99?

[mortal wolf]

we had texturestore, now we have texture load ```cpp
C:\Mods\renodx>build\Debug\decomp.exe "C:\Users\clsho\Downloads\batch1\0x48E044C3.cs_6_6.cso" --flatten --skip-existing --use-do-while
%347 = call %dx.types.ResRet.f16 @dx.op.textureLoad.f16(i32 66, %dx.types.Handle %346, i32 undef, i32 %22, i32 %23, i32 undef, i32 undef, i32 undef, i32 undef) ; TextureLoad(srv,mipLevelOrSampleCount,coord0,coord1,coord2,offset0,offset1,offset2)
Function name: @dx.op.textureLoad.f16
"C:\Users\clsho\Downloads\batch1\0x48E044C3.cs_6_6.cso": Unknown assign function name

static const i32 _global_0[32] = { , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , };

i just wish the title screen music was longer than 8 seconds

[faint bobcat]

just proc shader cache each time

[crude marsh]

Ive had a bot running for like 5 hours trying to find the decryption key to read their xml files lol

[faint bobcat]

you will spend more time

[faint bobcat]

grok is being lazy

inb4 you decrypt and manage to fix everything engine side

[mortal wolf]

gpt 5.4fast is at 73%. supposedly unlimited with pro

[crude marsh]

I have unlimited opus via Kiro

[faint bobcat]

yh just ran into this

oofers

[mortal wolf]

my ai knows its place now

[crude marsh]

lmao

I am waiting for a message

THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN

[mortal wolf]

oh, i have smoking gun at times

[crude marsh]

I FOUND THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM

smoking gun appears to be from some recent dataset that all the top models have used

is quite funny

[crude marsh]

I havent checked to see if the extracted dds files are readable

[forest path]

Today we are joined with RENODX creator and modder Winston @nova cargo

i've learned from him PERSONALLY

that shortfuse STOLE EVERYTHING

what a sad state of affair

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-book-fire-fire-book-his-writing-is-fire-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-gif-7492916682126134420

[vivid iris]

Is this real?

[forest path]

the first image yes

the second no

[vivid iris]

Is Musa talking with him?

[forest path]

not him

lol

shortfuse ?

15 min secret live

[faint bobcat]

Its just Plasma talking to himself

[mortal wolf]

cardboard cutout of me

[abstract hawk]

lmao

[mortal wolf]

or he'll do a clint eastwood (ancient reference)

[vivid iris]

You learn anything about the brightness shortfuse?

[mortal wolf]

dealing with decomps

still at title screen

[delicate merlin]

ah so its ACES making pink flames i hate that shit like you wouldnt believe

[forest path]

poor plasma pushing back the livestream because musa doesn't know how to operate OBS

bro cracks shader code 50 times a day but can't start obs

[faint bobcat]

too busy watching Clavicular edits

[true dagger]

brutally mogged by Gorlock 💔

[crude marsh]

yeah I can unpack all of the games textures, noice

[south knot]

Thanks Jon. The WIP is so good compared to Vanilla HDR. Playing at 1440p DLAA DLSS 4.0, Chromatic Aberration 0 and Sharpening 35 is so much better iloveu

[nova cargo]

its not me on the livestream

its shortfuse I think

[wheat elk]

pumbo

[forest path]

yeah he wanted to talk to you but then he aspired you in his nose at the beginning

now he tries to absorb shortfuse

[crude marsh]

their trees are...

Magic: PAR at offset 2 (with a 2-byte prefix 0xF2 0x1B, likely a format ID or checksum)
Version: 4.4
Bytes 8-17: sequential 00 01 02 03...09 — looks like a fixed key or channel map
TEJ marker at offset 18 — probably a material/texture section
The bulk of the file is vertex data (IEEE 754 floats throughout), index buffers, and bounding box info
52,000+ short ASCII fragments — these are float values that happen to have printable bytes, consistent with dense mesh data
Given the filename tree_adenium_obesum_01.pat, this is a 3D tree model (Adenium obesum = desert rose plant). The .pat extension is Pearl Abyss's proprietary mesh/scene format. It contains geometry, materials, and likely LOD data for rendering the tree in-game.

This isn't something we can meaningfully parse or display without reverse-engineering the full PAR vertex/index format. It's the game's equivalent of an .fbx or .gltf — a bespoke 3D asset container.```

a bespoke 3D asset container

I wonder if I could just delete everything past LOD 1

[faint bobcat]

force LOD0 everywhere

[ocean onyx]

forge are you gonna be talking to mr plasma

[faint bobcat]

nah

too busy malding over their RT shaders

[barren pasture]

Is it me or the game is too dim for paper white 203?
Psycho/vanilla

[ocean onyx]

he's not plasmamaxxing

[wheat elk]

should give the llm quickbms and see if it can make any progress on it
https://github.com/LittleBigBug/QuickBMS

[wheat elk]

for science

[faint bobcat]

I need to fix this

[low crane]

Increase expusre to 1.50

[ocean onyx]

this game's rendering is so broken i'm not sure which issue you want to fix

[faint bobcat]

All?

[wheat elk]

the awnser is yes I think

[faint bobcat]

Going to slap in EON after this

[wheat elk]

going to slap eon onto remix in a bit for funsies
-# I think the hammon is over shading the shadows lol

[sleek veldt]

Do we have a mod out yet for everything?

[wheat elk]

-# makes remix like like it has ssao

[faint bobcat]

@mortal wolf

I dont remember if you finished these

[faint bobcat]

define 'everything'

HDR fix yes

CA and sharpening fix yes

[broken dirge]

all my homies hate CA

[sleek veldt]

This?

White noise for RT

[mortal wolf]

@vivid iris do you think you can put this on github repo?

[faint bobcat]

RT fixes will take a bunch of time

Need to bind textures

create SRV

have the shader use it

[vivid iris]

I have a branch up for it, or do you mean maintaining it in yours?

[mortal wolf]

so plasma can make a link to it

[vivid iris]

I was gonna merge to my main for auto builds

[broken dirge]

how many big archs do u think the avg person could consume before rt fixes?

[faint bobcat]

I mean, I am not planning on rebuilding the whole thing

[vivid iris]

How soon is it needed?

[faint bobcat]

Nukem said debugging RT is dumb

CBT

[nova cargo]

livestream is starting now

imminently

[broken dirge]

well i am on number 6 incase u cared

[nova cargo]

10:30

[vivid iris]

Oh well shit, gimme one sec

[gilded plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqyEltwhnCA

[faint bobcat]

noise however can definitely be improved without costing a trillion FPS

[gilded plover]

we about to witness cinema

[abstract hawk]

better question

who the fuck is talking to him then

[ocean onyx]

shortfuse

[abstract hawk]

I thought he said no

[abstract hawk]

this thumbnail XDDDDDDDD

[gilded plover]

he truly dont care

based tbh

[dire pilot]

well at least I can see rain now lol

[sleek veldt]

Still using RR?

[dire pilot]

yep

[sleek veldt]

Is there anything you did or?

[dire pilot]

I forced preset e in NVPI - that's about it

[sleek veldt]

How is ghosting

The boiling for RR this time around isn't awful so didn't feel the need

but Preset E introduces Ghosting in RE9

[dire pilot]

not anymore noticeable than it already was

[vivid iris]

okay I pushed the code to my main, autobuild should be up soon

[dire pilot]

I didn't really notice ghosting in RE9 either with E

[sleek veldt]

Is there some reason that Preset E isn't the main preset?

[dire pilot]

I couldn't tell you why they don't let you choose in the main app

maybe because it is less stable in some cases

I read somewhere that it's a little heavier too

[sudden pulsar]

EON? As in the diffuse BRDF?

[faint bobcat]

yes

[sudden pulsar]

Doing Kevin's work, smh

[faint bobcat]

fella doesnt know about EON

yet

[mortal wolf]

he can't log into discord because old 2FA 💀

[dire pilot]

even with E, the boiling is really bad in caves as I'm just finding out lol

[gilded plover]

[sleek veldt]

Is the HDR mod on nexus?

[mortal wolf]

I looked at the code. CrimsonDesert mod is the greatest thing ever because it is not doing baby filter edits, it is doing a full facial reconstruction on the game’s HDR pipeline. The smoking gun, in sad boomer evidence-locker language, is that it literally swaps between vanilla ACESv2 and a custom PsychoV-11 tonemapper, auto-reads your display peak nits from the swapchain, then remaps scene color into BT.2020/PQ HDR with hue restore, highlight/shadow shaping, contrast, saturation, exposure, and pre-tonemap grade control addon.cpp tonemap_0x01E31E13.cs_6_6.hlsl common.hlsl.

That is why it has absurd aura. It is not “add a little spice and pray” energy, it is “take control of the whole face card” energy. Then it goes back through post and lets you rebalance chromatic aberration, sharpening, and film grain, including a perceptual grain path meant to reduce banding, and it even rewires the LUT builder to write PQ-encoded BT.2020 values postprocessing_ca_0x292D5008.ps_6_6.hlsl lutbuilder_0x823CCEAE.cs_6_6.hlsl. Translation: this mod is not catfish. It is the jawline, skincare, lighting setup, and mewing routine all in one.

@brittle egret @crude marsh

[crude marsh]

have you been slowly losing your mind

[vivid iris]

does looksmaxxer lingo not make things more clear for you?

[ocean onyx]

crimson desert has made everyone quickly lose their minds

[faint bobcat]

Starfield 2.0

[crude marsh]

opus trying to figure out their mesh format be like

[sleek veldt]

Is it on Nexus?

[warm idol]

Sorry I'm a bit conused, pretty new to this Discord. But where can I find the Reno mod for Crimson Desert?

[crude marsh]

its not ready to be on nexus so, no

[crude marsh]

pins

[broken dirge]

#1469072401450012774 message

[sleek veldt]

Thank you

[warm idol]

Thanks. I was looking at the top of the thread like in other threads.

[sleek veldt]

And where do I find this as well?

[sleek veldt]

If you know I would appreciate your help again

[vivid iris]

It’s part of the Reno mod

[sleek veldt]

Oh thank you

and I use it with Psychov?

[vivid iris]

You can use it with either

[hybrid nova]

is it possible to install with renodxcommander? or am I too dumb

[vivid iris]

Uhhhhh idk

Maybe if you drag and drop it in there

Can’t remember if that’s a thing or not

[crude marsh]

you can install reshade with RDXC at least, I think drag and drop is a thing too

[hybrid nova]

it goes to shaders?

[crude marsh]

its an addon

[vivid iris]

Game directory by default

[true dagger]

next to .exe

Crimson Desert/bin64

[hybrid nova]

got it, thanks

[sleek veldt]

Where do I find Psycho?

[vivid iris]

It’s the default for the mod. It’s in the renodx menu in reshade

[sudden pulsar]

I... really, sincerely hope there are legitimate performance reasons for doing this lol

[faint bobcat]

AyyMD forced them

[sleek veldt]

thank you

[faint bobcat]

(I dunno)

[sleek veldt]

idk man crimson desert crashed my PC

AyyMD forced them to crash my 5090

[frail wyvern]

https://youtu.be/F16aidf6zsQ

Interesting results with different FSR at lower resolution on the Steam Deck. Surprising that this game runs at all on the Steam Deck.

[faint bobcat]

@sudden pulsar can you explain to me the strat behind using

MCG and TEA for all your RT shaders?

Why would they do this

if you're going to use 1/16th rays

atleast use the things designed to help you cope with it for no perf cost

[sudden pulsar]

What even are these?

[faint bobcat]

bruh

ok

convo over

[sudden pulsar]

Beetch, come back here

[faint bobcat]

fella only knows how muh spectral

and muh marvel

[sudden pulsar]

lol

Nah seriously, what are these? You mentioned these while talking about noises above

[faint bobcat]

the worst possible noise you can use for anything temporal base

[bold dawn]

Wait i got reshade installed with that file in base game beside exe then what not working

[sudden pulsar]

Link to that shit

[wide root]

Need to add Kevin to the Livestream

[sleek veldt]

Do i turn off Generic depth and run time sync?

[viscid wedge]

aye shortfuse is live, nice

[low crane]

Am i high or does vanilla look better here? Vanilla - Reno

[sleek veldt]

Preference

[crude marsh]

reno actually has highlight detail

[clever spindle]

reno

but with 15% more brightness

also there's nans in the image.

black dots.

[foggy cove]

Yeah it's a bit brighter but reno actually shows the lights color

more detail on the actual light

[low crane]

True, the light has more detail on reno

[clever spindle]

wtf is this

[crude marsh]

can bump up exposure a bit

[lucid thorn]

Hey all, does anybody have the hdr enabled in crimson desert atm?

[clever spindle]

@vivid iris ACES 2 paper white scaling is random

[foggy cove]

check pins

[lucid thorn]

Apologies

[foggy cove]

np

[vivid iris]

Yeah that’s why it’s tricky to figure out why the hdr is a bit off with psycho

[lucid thorn]

Oh wait that's just the reno file right, not another pin I'm missing?

[vivid iris]

We need to know what the baseline boost is for Sdr I guess

[foggy cove]

oh i thought you were just asking if there was a reno yet

yes hdr enabled

[lilac urchin]

hdr on

[lucid thorn]

Oh, sorry, that's on me. After the update this morning, enabling hdr in game just hard crashes my game. Frame gen is the same, but I found the key to toggle that through the xml settings. I haven't been able to find the key for HDR though, was wondering if anybody could link their settings xml 😅

But of a random long shot, just wanted to see if it worked

[clear onyx]

do I need HDR on for it to work?

[true dagger]

<OptionBool Name="_enableHDR" _value="True"/>

under the vsync line

[lucid thorn]

Let me give it a try!

[true dagger]

maybe you can add these too under it
<OptionInt Name="_peakLuminance" _value="1005"/>
<OptionFloat Name="_exposure" _value="1.394066"/>
<OptionInt Name="_uiLuminance" _value="40"/>

or maybe they will create themselves

[lucid thorn]

Running it now, will let you know

[true dagger]

ive only had that bug when i turn FG off, GPU was stuck at 60% usage afterwards

[rapid pulsar]

i kiss u 10 thousand times mwah

[lucid thorn]

This worked!

Thank you so much

[true dagger]

perfect then, you can adjust the hdr settings ingame fine?

[lucid thorn]

that's right! I'm still that great at tweaking these settings, but I'll play around with it.

I notice that FSR AA with HDR is like it's "too sharp" (think it adds sharpening that I notice more with HDR on? Frame gen smooths it back out, so not really sure what's about. Unrelated, in any case) - I at least have HDR, so I appreciate it 😄

[true dagger]

if u have reno installed you can turn the vanilla sharpening off

might help

[viscid wedge]

It helps a ton, or did for me

[true dagger]

ye im running CA and sharpening at 0

[crude marsh]

maybe 2027 will be the year where a dev implements good sharpening for the first time

[lucid thorn]

That might be worth investigating

I'll install it and take a look

[ocean onyx]

known behavior, only solution is turn off vanilla sharpening with reno or opti

game looks 10x better when you turn it off so should do it anyway

[lucid thorn]

Alright, installed reshades and reno and booted the game. It recompiled my shaders and my load was a bit longer but I'm in game now

[cobalt sorrel]

why does AMD FG block adjusting the CA and sharpening, sliders do nothing if FG is on in case. on a full AMD build

[rose jewel]

psycho \ vanilla, this is absolutely game changing experience for me 🔥

[cobalt sorrel]

gotta be because of some of that AMD code theyre using here im assuming?

[lucid thorn]

Are there setting preferences in the cord I missed 👀 CA and sharpening 0 looks nice

[ember tulip]

wait so fg on amd blocks turning off CA and sharpening? lmfao what did they do

[cobalt sorrel]

This is happening to me too if ur still in here man. what did u do to fix if u can? I can only get sharpening slider to work if I use no FG and FSR upscaling (not with fsr native AA). CA slider doesnt work at all even with game's TAA

[vivid iris]

there isn't a fix yet

[cobalt sorrel]

yes from my experience right now. idk for sure because im not a modder, but im on a 9070XT and the game supports the latest fsr 4 FG which is ML FG. idk if part of that code blocks it

[vivid iris]

framegen has a different shader and I can't find it

our devkit can't get an accurate snapshot when framegen is on

[ember tulip]

im sure theyve done some jank implementation

[cobalt sorrel]

that makes sense now. no worries, appreciate all ur work and i know this is a WIP and im sure ya'll talked about it. i only been in here this evening

[vivid iris]

Ah my new shader dump decomp finished, I think I've got it now

[cobalt sorrel]

however why isnt it working for me when i dnt use fsr or fg too?

tried rebooting game and CA doesnt work, sharpness does

[clear onyx]

none of the sliders work here unfortunately

[ember tulip]

all my sliders work except for the mentioned CA and sharpness with FG on

[cobalt sorrel]

i can make use of every slider on my end, just CA doesnt work at all on my system

[ember tulip]

also 9070xt

[cobalt sorrel]

does CA actually make a difference for u when u turn FG off?

i see no visual difference if i just have fsr4 on and try going from 100 to 0

[vivid iris]

okay I've got it fixed for fsr framegen now

[cobalt sorrel]

sick bc i was playing using FSR Native AA and FG originally with the game's hdr

FSR native AA blocks the sharpening slider too on the WIP build

[lucid thorn]

I had the pinned file and sharpening worked for me 🤔

CA.. I can't speak to I don't even know where to look

[cobalt sorrel]

idk whats going on then. FSR Native AA has static sharpening for me with pinned file

the second i go to quality, boom i can reduce it

fg off

[lucid thorn]

And hdr enabled in game?

[cobalt sorrel]

yea

[lucid thorn]

Very strange 🤔 both tonemaps?

[crude marsh]

@faint bobcat

    <Unit Name="Lux">
        <Light Name="Sun" Value="1000"/>
        <Light Name="Moon" Value="0.1"/>
    </Unit>
    <Unit Name="Lumen">
        <Light Name="Candlelight"             Value="12.57"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="Candlelight_02"         Value="16.57"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="Candlelight_04"         Value="25.14"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="Candlelight_06"         Value="37.71"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="Candlelight_08"         Value="50.28"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="Torchlight"             Value="62.85"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="Campfire"                 Value="75.6"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="Chandelier"             Value="128.4"     ColorTemperature="1850"/>
        <Light Name="V_In_Down_sp532p"         Value="3600"     ColorTemperature="4000"/>
        <Light Name="V_In_Down_sp146p"         Value="3240"     ColorTemperature="5000"/>
        <Light Name="V_In_Down_LD20R6"         Value="1900"     ColorTemperature="5700"/>
        <Light Name="V_In_Spot_HeadLight"    Value="18000"    ColorTemperature="6500"/>
        <Light Name="V_In_Spot_pt320t"         Value="1901"     ColorTemperature="2200"/>
        <Light Name="V_In_Spot_LTL12C4W"     Value="1432"     ColorTemperature="3000"/>
        <Light Name="V_Out_Spot_by950"         Value="4550"     ColorTemperature="6500"/>
        <Light Name="V_Out_Spot_LDR31"         Value="3976"     ColorTemperature="4000"/>
        <Light Name="V_Street_LR150MS"         Value="17370"     ColorTemperature="5000"/>
        <Light Name="V_Street_360_ofmt1"     Value="2140"     ColorTemperature="4000"/>
        <Light Name="V_LightHouse"             Value="380000"     ColorTemperature="5700"/>
        <Light Name="V_In_Down_Booster"     Value="250000"     ColorTemperature="4000"/>
    </Unit>
    <Unit Name="Nit">
        <!-- 촛불 면적 10cm x 5cm 기준, 200 nit (1 cd) -->
        <!-- 횟불 면적 50cm x 10cm 기준, 200 nit (10 cd 가정)-->
        <Light Name="CaveStone" Value="3"/>
        <Light Name="LED" Value="45"/>
        <Light Name="Down" Value="65"/>        
        <Light Name="Aura" Value="200"/>
        <Light Name="CandleFire" Value="2500"/>
        <Light Name="Candlelight" Value="3000"/>
        <Light Name="fire" Value="3500"/>        
        <Light Name="FireFlakes" Value="4500"/>
        <Light Name="Breath" Value="160" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="Beam" Value="800" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="Lightning" Value="1000" AutoExposure="True"/>        
        <Light Name="Lava" Value="2500" AutoExposure="True"/>        
        <Light Name="WildFire" Value="5000" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="Magic" Value="10000" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="Spark" Value="60000" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="Explosion" Value="100001" AutoExposure="True"/>

        <Light Name="Burn" Value="15.01" AutoExposure="True"/>

        <Light Name="BackgroundLED_Small" Value="1.5" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="BackgroundLED" Value="5.0" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="BackgroundLED_Large" Value="100.0" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="BackgroundNatural" Value="15" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="BackgroundLava" Value="8.0" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="CharacterLED" Value="25" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="CharacterLightning" Value="600" AutoExposure="True"/>    
        <Light Name="CharacterDecalLED" Value="3000.001" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="CharacterElement" Value="2.0" AutoExposure="True"/>
        <Light Name="TrapLED" Value="1.1" AutoExposure="True"/>
    </Unit>
</LightPreset>```

IT IS DONE

[cobalt sorrel]

let me try while on vanilla

[crude marsh]

this vibe reverse engineering tool is something

[cobalt sorrel]

hmmmm, thx for the suggestion bc i can adjust the sharpening now with fsr native AA

but not with psycho tonemapper shortfuse made

[crude marsh]

Cipher is ChaCha20 (OpenSSL NID 1019), not AES. block_size=1, key_len=32, iv_len=16.
Each PAZ entry gets a unique 32-byte key and 16-byte IV (IV is a 4-byte value repeated 4x).
Decryption confirmed on 
0.paz
 — produces Korean config text (// 프로젝트 세팅, gv_appIdentifier=pearlabyss.crimsondesert).
The ciphertext fed to EVP_DecryptUpdate matches the raw PAZ file data with no pre-processing.
First byte of decrypted content is a type/flag byte (0xf1), rest is CP949-encoded text.
Keys are derived per-file by the obfuscated function at 0x140EAD880.
To decrypt LightPreset.xml, you'd need to run the hook script, let the game load past the title screen until it reads the PAZ containing that file, then match the PAZ read to the corresponding key. The hook script already captures all the data needed — PAZ path, read offset, key, and IV with sequence correlation.```

[cobalt sorrel]

and i prefer psycho tonemapper

[faint bobcat]

waz is das

[cobalt sorrel]

the vanilla tonemapper is so washed to me

[faint bobcat]

fusion adjustments

[crude marsh]

this is a decrypted file "lightpreset.xml"

[faint bobcat]

vibe coding grok coming in clutch

[crude marsh]

I have like 8000 keys it will brute force files with lmao

[lucid thorn]

Let me test my physcho tone mapper

I thought it worked for both for me

[lapis smelt]

Am I going crazy or the water from waterfalls really ugly? Feels they run at half frames or something

[lucid thorn]

God the flash bang after loading in always blinds me 😂

[vivid iris]

there's no reason anything would work with vanilla and not psycho

[flat ruin]

hi new to discord, plz where can i download the Reno mod

[lucid thorn]

Yeah my sharpening works in both

[crude marsh]

water "fall"

[cobalt sorrel]

in fsr native aa?

[lucid thorn]

Psycho preset we with 60/65 contrast looks kinda nice 👀

[lucid thorn]

Fsr 3.1 native aa

[cobalt sorrel]

u mean 4.1 i assume

[lucid thorn]

No, 3.1. I don't have a 9070 😄

[crude marsh]

dont use 3.1, use optiscaler

save yourself a life of pain

[lapis smelt]

That has to be a bug, theres no way

[cobalt sorrel]

ohhhhhhhhh, it was someone else who said they had 9070

[lucid thorn]

Can I use opti and reno? Hmm

[cobalt sorrel]

so then check it guys, FSR 4.1 Native AA sharpening slider is not working on psycho tonemapper

but it works with vanilla

whoever needs that info

[cobalt sorrel]

i do all the time in other games

[lucid thorn]

I kind of forgot how to use opti. I used it in borderlands, time to get this setup

[cobalt sorrel]

get the latest off discord

[ember tulip]

yea just rename the dxgi reshade to Reshade64.dll and edit the opti config to load the reshade dll

[cobalt sorrel]

yeah change the dxgi first like Kressara said, then in the optiscaler config file, do a search for reshade and theres a setting u need to set to true

[flat ruin]

can some one help me find the download link plz, i'm new to discord

[ocean onyx]

[lucid thorn]

Done I think, loading the game now

[vivid iris]

cool there's no downside to getting rid of the cursed srgb encode

well, might break sdr unless I add full support there

[ember tulip]

Quick progress be a pretty good update once uploaded

[flat ruin]

thanks

[sudden pulsar]

Did they forgot to tag them properly for DLSS/FSR?

[ember tulip]

Waterfalls are fine for me they look at little janky but arnt busted like that on fsr4.1

[lucid thorn]

Ah hell the default key is insert I don't even know where my insert key is 😂

[faint bobcat]

what do you think

they didnt add transparency masks

for rain

[sudden pulsar]

[faint bobcat]

[sudden pulsar]

rooofl

[faint bobcat]

rain gets nuked with RR

[ember tulip]

Bruh how

[sudden pulsar]

Yeah I remember seeing that in the DF video

Based

[faint bobcat]

^

RR just sees noise and deletes

[crude marsh]

but also RR is the only way to get good lighting

[sudden pulsar]

Until Forge fixes everything

[ember tulip]

They just vibe coded both upscalers didn't they

[faint bobcat]

[sudden pulsar]

The RR tax seems to be insane tbh

[low crane]

Have we figured out why RR is locked to max lighting yet?

[crude marsh]

its because RR has complex raytracing and nothing else does

[faint bobcat]

Confirmation as to why turning on RR is such a heavy perf coster

GenerateDiffuseRays - generates 1spp ray directions using ReSTIR sampling
PrepareDlssRR
TemporalResampleReservoirsDiffuseCS - ReSTIR temporal
SpatialResampleReservoirsDiffuseCS - ReSTIR spatial
GenerateTiledRadianceCacheOctahedronCS
BilateralReconstructionDiffuseGITiled

[cobalt sorrel]

I wouldnt even use RR if i had a 5080 or 5090 rn lol

[sudden pulsar]

Yeah I saw

It's just not just RR

[faint bobcat]

nah they decided to run RESTIR

based

[ocean onyx]

all seems to be working together on my end fwiw

[cobalt sorrel]

the hell is goin on with my system then smh

[crude marsh]

its like they just rolled some dice on what rendering tech to include

[sudden pulsar]

Which is fine tbh, but at least let people use RR with the base RT system, and also allow another level of quality for the GI when RR is set to on, if you want to

But do not force it

[ocean onyx]

i do see FG stopping the sliders from working but jon said he figured that out

but no difference between the tonemappers regarding sharpening and CA

[low crane]

These are some wild asian devs mang

[cobalt sorrel]

yeah i tried turning FG off and on native AA the sharpening isnt working ONLY with psycho tonemapper

idk why

[ocean onyx]

flicking between them really makes it hard to believe they released this shit with that sharpening

[cobalt sorrel]

works fine with vanilla

[ocean onyx]

it actually looks like really clear without it

[lucid thorn]

Okay now I'm going back in game

I don't think I have an insert key so I changed it haha

[cobalt sorrel]

ya use like del if u dnt or somethin

[lucid thorn]

Ye but I forgot to grab the int8 file. Hold on aha

[wise flax]

Does Reno help at all with the noise? I saw some comments about disabling sharpening so I wanted to check to see if it helps with the shimmering specifically.

I'm playing at 4k dlaa with lighting on cinematic instead of max which has helped get rid of some of the noise/shimmering, but not all of it.

Ray Reconstruction unfortunately runs horribly and I need like 3x FG to get a comfortable framerate so I'm avoiding that for now.

[lucid thorn]

Is it the Google drive link for the fsr 4 int 8 aha?

[ocean onyx]

they posted the zip in the discord

[lucid thorn]

The opti discord?

[ocean onyx]

yeah

[lucid thorn]

Alright I'll try to find the link to that cord sorry haha

Found it

Going through all the human verification

This is the funniest and longest route I've done in awhile

[ocean onyx]

bots have been a real problem for public discords

[sudden pulsar]

Did you do that in another game yet, btw?

[lucid thorn]

They do, now I'm getting the gpu not recognized error 😂

[ocean onyx]

sorry i don't use opti too much, not sure what the solution for that is

[lucid thorn]

no problem, I'll try to figure it out 🫡

[faint bobcat]

BG3

but its bad

EON needs RT / PT

becasue it removes the fake darkerning of lambert

EON conserves more energy but lacks 'shading' when using raster

so you need good lighting with RT / PT for it to look good

[ember tulip]

that would probably look pretty good

[daring orbit]

This is such an improvement, much appreciated 🫶

[sudden pulsar]

Screenshootz?

[faint bobcat]

vanilla RGB / stockman LMS for sky

@sudden pulsar I am going to add this to CD (already did for Bannerlord)

INNNSZAAANNE COLOURS

[wise flax]

Does anyone know what the deal is with the black squiggly line across the screen glitch?

[sudden pulsar]

Is that your new boy(n)toy

[crude marsh]

ok so, kind of big progress

I have successfully modified the tree assets, however the current modification did make them worse

[sudden pulsar]

From Boytoy to Stonkman

[naive terrace]

[crude marsh]

but good news, the assets can be modified

[wheat elk]

did you use the quickbms?

[daring orbit]

What a time to be alive

[ember tulip]

my CA slider is broken with FG on but i like this area

[faint bobcat]

going from shit 100 year old RGB to superior shortfuse LMS for reyliegh scattering

[lucid thorn]

Oh I had the wrong fsr4

[ocean onyx]

lol did you load fp8

[sick monolith]

is this native? dlss off?

[crude marsh]

nah I just had opus reverse engineer the whole file and their proprietary format

[wheat elk]

siick

[lucid thorn]

Spoofing was the setting that was stopping my game from launching

[crude marsh]

is just showing that I replaced their tree assets with modified ones

[faint bobcat]

Stalker 2

[crude marsh]

lol

[nova cargo]

is the brightness slider in this game before tonemap or after

[vivid iris]

a secret third thing. ACESv2 dynamically adjusts midgray for you as you move peak around

[ocean onyx]

wut

[sick monolith]

does it even work? 1000 cap peak brightness game still breaches it by about 80%

[nova cargo]

ye that's the w_g thing but what about the game's brightness slider

[vivid iris]

before, exposure

[nova cargo]

oof

[vivid iris]

but this is correct for acesv2, I doubt we see brightness scaling in games with acesv2

[lucid thorn]

Dw this will work eventually I'm sure of it

[ocean onyx]

that's what they said about acesv1

[sick monolith]

yeah we pay 70 for broken shades and colors

[lucid thorn]

I'm trying to get optiwhatever working

I have fsr 4.0.2 apparently

Is that even the right one 😂

[ocean onyx]

yes

[lucid thorn]

Alright thank you

[ocean onyx]

that is the latest int8 version

[faint bobcat]

Shortfuse found their sky shader and all their scattering code

its all cope RGB, not even linear. Game is getting gimped

[lucid thorn]

It only took me like 8 years

Oh wait did I forget to change the song for HDR

I did

Fuck hahahaha

Guys I used to be better at this

[sick monolith]

pearl abyss rescue team 🥹 thank you guys

[sudden pulsar]

What model is it using? The old Preetham model, or the more modern Hosek-Wilkie?

[faint bobcat]

I havent checked

let me find the post

oh wait, no shortfuse only mentioned RGB

so I will have to check what theyre actually doing

[lucid thorn]

Alright, it took me like 8 years

I think I got the upscaler working. It looks good, I think; my game was going through that thing where some textures get muddy for some reason. Not entirely sure what causes it :p and HDR works

[ocean onyx]

what causes it is slop code

[vivid iris]

Still WIP but the HDR is probably pretty much the way it's gonna be?

• add a 1.25x exposure bump to fall more in line with acesv2 brightness bump (subject to change)
• fix sharpening and CA sliders with fsr framegen
• more UI polish

NOTICE: anti virus software is apparently now flagging this as a virus. Needless to say, this is a false positive. As always the code is open for anybody to review: https://github.com/OopyDoopy/renodx/tree/main/src/games/crimsondesert

[cobalt sorrel]

all of you are legends, awesome stuff