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[wispy crown]

Still hope RenoDX will make it even better. Technically there might be a lot of things wrong with the implementation but the impact of HDR in this game is one of the better ones imho.

[lament nymph]

finally a wave of positive ppl

[sudden pulsar]

After the past two/three weeks of previews all over the Internet, anyone that thought it was going to be anything else but a free form/sandboxy open world need to get their eyes checked out lol

[exotic bridge]

Is a renodx mod planned for the game please?

[faint bobcat]

n

o

[teal pumice]

no

unfixable

Forge gave up

[sudden pulsar]

Everyone that played the game said it was not a “standard” story driven RPG

[teal pumice]

leave now guys

[frosty fulcrum]

I just went with SDR

[lament nymph]

but if it's not story driven, what's it driven by ... magic?

[wispy crown]

No. DLSS5 will fix it.

[wispy crown]

Exploration feels really rewarding imho.

[full quarry]

I mean, as someone who immediately clocked the sandbox during previews and bought it because of that I agree

[lament nymph]

I bet you feel rewarded rn

[full quarry]

But again

Gamers™️

[sudden pulsar]

Fuck’em

[lament nymph]

what I didn't expect at all is the dogshit color scheme and no actual options in this game that matters, even the graphics one with is the most extensive by far leaves out things

[full quarry]

I do think the games gonna stand as out as “oh this is why Nintendo did a fuckton of playtesting for those Zelda games” lmao

[mortal wolf]

you will need to throw psychov on the srgb texture input. and remove ap1 garbage

[lament nymph]

no " do you want fixed minimap, here's a toggle " ... no " light tilt to run instead of tap and no it's not a tap toggle also "

[mortal wolf]

maybe lights will be yellow not pink

[sudden pulsar]

You didn’t see all the footage up until now when it comes to colors lol?

[lament nymph]

I meant controls scheme

some reason colors stuck with me

[full quarry]

no text size option

[lament nymph]

I got brain aneurism

[crude marsh]

the colors just feel really wrong so, lines up

[mortal wolf]

We'll fix it in post
Post: RenoDX

[crude marsh]

light sources are so confusing

[lament nymph]

the text is tiny, ant sized

no " hey do you want ur text to be beeger cause some ppl tvs are beeg "

no " ... hey what if we let you change your inputs for ease of use for controllers "

no " do you want surround sound in 5.1 7.1 or headphones mode ... dolby atmos 3d audio perhaps?

[faint bobcat]

based

[full quarry]

four interact inputs for keyboard players

[faint bobcat]

TVcels deserve to suffer

[snow steeple]

Don’t need all that just let me turn off chromatic aberration

[faint bobcat]

no

CA is good

and so is sharpening

[crude marsh]

I need 3D glasses for this game

so much CA that has to be what its for right

[lament nymph]

no " hey do you want to wear helmets in cutscenes or nah " ... but instead we got " hey do ytou want to show accessories or not ? "

this game apparently went gold 3 months ago, they been sitting on their asses all this time

counting all the pre order money

[snow steeple]

It does feel like one of those games that’s going to be patched for years and years

[lament nymph]

or one and done like black dix wu chang

updates ? we barely do those ...

[full quarry]

turns on all TV post-processing

“Idk looks good on my setup 🤷‍♂️”

[wispy crown]

"For me the Vivid mode looks best"

[lament nymph]

do they not have playtesters on controllers, don't these ppl tell the company " hey this feels horrible to play "

or maybe korean just built diffy

that's why lineage 1 is still among their top grossing game and that game is ancient

[jade spruce]

he's goddamn right

[mortal wolf]

tonemapper unlocked
https://tenor.com/view/we-got-him-ladies-and-gentlemen-em-gif-15781907

[jade spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[lament nymph]

tbh with you I barely see any pop in on my rig

it's more like the other things

[ocean onyx]

The other stuff is more distracting but the pop in is super obvious

[crude marsh]

wdym you barely see popin

everything pops in

[lament nymph]

like barely

no shittin

[crude marsh]

are you closing your eyes

[ocean onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/i-pretend-i-do-not-see-it-i-do-not-see-it-emoji-ew-gross-gif-20086803

[mortal wolf]

human eye responds to flicker stimulus. popin is flicker

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-star-rainbowstreak-nbc-gif-4884642

[spare quartz]

I'd take unreal nanite's shit performance over this

[crude marsh]

well, would get better FPS on unreal than this too

[faint bobcat]

Daily reminder, Kevin was right once again

This is why they didnt send him a review copy

[ocean onyx]

They didn't optimize floor shadow and partial prepassing

[worthy stream]

I love this clip lol

[lament nymph]

@crude marsh mine is not as extreme as that

[ruby crown]

Is this a bug or is this just the resolution it takes to run this at 120 fps on a console?

[ocean onyx]

I don't think it runs 120 fps at all

[lament nymph]

when was he ever wrong

[exotic bridge]

Why is renodx not possible on this game?

[ocean onyx]

It is probably possible

[mortal wolf]

they were joking. it's being worked on

[ocean onyx]

They are working on it

[lament nymph]

what 120hz mode on console and tv does is that instead of 30 it runs at 40 fps

[ocean onyx]

Let them cook

[exotic bridge]

Oooh ok, great 😁

[crude marsh]

idk man look at all of the buildings

[lament nymph]

it looks to me like the vrs is doing all these things

[mortal wolf]

specifically, the game seems to be built for AMD hardware on PS5 and does a lot of things not commonly done in PC games, so tools need to be reworked

[lament nymph]

rather than actual texture popping in

[crude marsh]

is it the tonemapping that is making these lights so unpleasant

[lament nymph]

it's 2 eyes and a big mouth

enter and u die

[crude marsh]

I guess it seems like the one issue Forge mentioned with per channel stuff potentially but idk

[lament nymph]

if people loved oblivion many years ago when it came out

ppl gonna love this many years later too

[mortal wolf]

yes, that's the burnt sienna i'm talking about

[lament nymph]

I told someone during a job interview that I like the oblivion remake to get the job

I didn't get it

if they mention crimson desert in an interview again

I swear to god

[rough cliff]

its a bug, cuz it still runs at 60 even in 120hz mode

[ocean onyx]

He knew your love of Godd Howard was not genuine

[rough cliff]

have any of u guys tried disabling the blur yet???

apparrently under accessibility options theres some blur thats on by default

u can set to 0

[lament nymph]

I had to sold my soul to say that and they were like " not a good fit "

[wispy crown]

Yes. Removes the camera motion blur

[rough cliff]

oh sick, i gotta turn that off

[lament nymph]

motion blur and camera shake is in the gameplay section in the settings

or accessibility not sure

[crude marsh]

accessibility

[lament nymph]

either one it's weird motion blur is in there but not in graphics

[mortal wolf]

oh god

it is

[ocean onyx]

How do i add more motion blur

[rough cliff]

why do they hide all this shit in accessibility 😭

[mortal wolf]

i can't believe it

[ocean onyx]

It really doesn't have nearly as much as I would like

[mortal wolf]

time to ping the modders

[faint bobcat]

RenoDX modder emergency meeting

[spare quartz]

can't believe there's a death stranding 2 renodx. et tu film nerd kojima san

[lament nymph]

2 millions ppl

2

gonna go on their twitter and post a positive comment like " I'm happy for your success, passion is what's needed in the gaming industry and you guys have it"

then see my karma goes up immensely

[spare quartz]

karma shit only works on reddit. you get real bucks on twitter

[rotund raptor]

How is the mod coming along?

[faint bobcat]

it isnt

[spare quartz]

is there more POM warping without ray reconstruction?

[faint bobcat]

yes

RR is affecting POM

making it weaker

as to why I dunno yet

[final imp]

Anybody find the UI on ultrawide kind of small? Already set to 100 in the settings as default

[tame vault]

What is POM?

[faint bobcat]

parallax occlusion mapping

[tame vault]

Per Object Motionmblur?

Oh lol

[faint bobcat]

e,g the fake 3D effect

for terrain

[tame vault]

Thanks

[spare quartz]

but stronger can warp weirdly?

[faint bobcat]

its already all giiga fucked as is

vanilla just makes it even worse

[wispy crown]

Would you say for now it's best to disable RR or would you still use it for the better lighting? Still undecided between DLAA 4.0 or RR Performance.

[faint bobcat]

RR dials it down

[tame vault]

Or refund. Honestly considering that

[faint bobcat]

best rn is to not play the game

and wait

[true dagger]

rest in piss

[faint bobcat]

for RenoDX

and fixes

[wispy crown]

RenoDX will help with RR bugs? That would be incredible

[ocean onyx]

I demand Lisa su give me $70 for forcing me to play it

[faint bobcat]

only if you send me 30K

[mortal wolf]

@vivid iris @nova cargo @faint bobcat @clever spindle @oak wren @stable crag @wind sun

This is ACESv2

[faint bobcat]

lets gooo

[ocean onyx]

Fucking lmao

[true dagger]

man the game rly looks ugly af on the native hdr, prob a must wait for reno

[vivid iris]

cursed perceptual space stuff it is!

[tame vault]

❤️ you boys

[vivid iris]

it's unreal how messed up colors are

[dire pilot]

She'll just forward the bill to her cousin. I hear he's rich.

[rotund raptor]

What does this mean for the technological illiterate?

[faint bobcat]

ACES never beating the allegations

[wispy crown]

If I could I would but in this economy?

[faint bobcat]

doo doo poo poo

[tame vault]

Mod out in 10 mins]

[jade kettle]

Is there hope for this game? Like controls are abysmal and it looks like shit, but the game itself seems fun AF...

[rotund raptor]

probably gonna hve to wait for mods

[true dagger]

i dont find the controls to be bad (yet, im still at chapter 1), but the controls on controller feel so floaty, like i have 20 fps base, even tho im at like 70 before FG

[vivid iris]

@tacit raft

[abstract hawk]

Yes, will just take a while.

[rotund raptor]

the input delay is insane, makes it feel not fluid it all

[abstract hawk]

Revisit a lil down the line, so you can have a good time, hopefully.

[ocean onyx]

It doesn't even seem like input delay. Camera feels okay to me. But there is a huge delay on movement beginning

[mortal wolf]

DLSS slop and ACESv2 in the same week

[hidden ivy]

at first I thought attacking works like in the souls games / elden ring but no, you have to keep the button pressed to attack 😄

[ocean onyx]

They seem to be doing Rockstar movement stuff but with no real reason

[crude marsh]

you should try turning with a mouse

its hilarious

[vivid iris]

and AI slop found the acesv2 for us

the future is now

[true dagger]

ye it instantly reminded me of RDR2 similar movement with the interacting lmao

[rotund raptor]

I use controller and it feels like arse

[wispy crown]

I don't mind the movement. Actually I even enjoy it. But hey I'm a weirdo that liked RDR2 movement too.

[mortal wolf]

we're going to have to start learning the acesv2 numbers like like 10.012999534606934f which is 10.013 for white gain

[ocean onyx]

So is this the first game we know of with acesv2?

[faint bobcat]

actual V2 I think so

BG3 has their own cusotm

one

[vivid iris]

acesv2 so bad half of us were like "...maybe itm?"

[mortal wolf]

seems entirely 100% acesv2

[sudden pulsar]

And now also Chuck Norris is dead the same day, coincidence, I think not

[faint bobcat]

truly one of the most weeks of all time

[mortal wolf]

3 deaths in one week

[jade spruce]

ACES V2 wasn't avaialble before?

[vivid iris]

well, time to get to writing the code

[ocean onyx]

Just hadn't been used in a game yet

[clever spindle]

did u see my screenshots?

[vivid iris]

uhhhh I don't think so

[clever spindle]

ACES 2 basically looks like ITM due to MASSIVE MASSIVE desaturation

[jade spruce]

ah right, but it's not like the source wasn't available yet?

[vivid iris]

ah those, yeah I think so

[vivid iris]

yeah it's...really bad

it looks like upgradetonemap with no extras

[clever spindle]

i'd be curious to see if they tweaked the params

which are not meant to be touched as they are all hardcoded to random values they picked

[clever spindle]

i mean it's functional?

and consistent with SDR.

[rough cliff]

is this the first game to use acesV2?

[clever spindle]

yes.

[vivid iris]

the hues in this game are really bad

[clever spindle]

UE 5.8 has ACES 2 as option and will be the only way to do proper HDR in UE 5.8

they removed ACES 1 HDR

[rough cliff]

hopefully that is a good thing

[mortal wolf]

"proper"

[clever spindle]

but by default UE 5.8 uses the filmic tonemapper

and if u enable HDR

it will do inverse tonemapping

interpreting the filmic tonemapper as ACES 2 SDR, reversing it

and re-applying ACES 2 HDR

[clever spindle]

i do not vibe with the look at all

i don't get the hype

maybe if i had it running on my screen it'd feel better

[rough cliff]

the game honestly looked quite pretty with native hdr on my monitor

[mortal wolf]

now we can say Vanilla (ACES 2)

[clever spindle]

it's like overly saturated and desaturated at the same time?
crushed blacks but also washed out.

[jade spruce]

it just hits all the stimuli for the saturated and bright = good crowd

[mortal wolf]

and spread the word

[clever spindle]

I don't know. it feels random.

[mortal wolf]

but the colorists all agreed on this look. are you saying you know more than professional colorists!?!?

[clever spindle]

ACES 2 is extremely desaturated by default though.

[clever spindle]

there are no colorists in game studios 🤣

[jade spruce]

I mean CD specifically

[clever spindle]

just moving sliders randomly until it looks good on their LCD

[crude marsh]

yeah the colors look extremely wrong, all of the bad things all at once in weird simultaneous ways

[jade spruce]

maybe it also looking weirdly different is attracting people as this alien thing?

people are desperate for new stuff

everything started feeling samey, especially with the UE5 dominance

[crude marsh]

I mean its objectively bad, everything blown out, crushed, incorrect hues, saturation is weird all at the same time

all of the light sources are awful

[vivid iris]

this is the untonemapped image @clever spindle

[jade spruce]

yeah it makes me die inside

[clever spindle]

My last assessment was pretty close 😛
No ITM and tonemapping by luminance (pink fires)

[mortal wolf]

not botched either

[vivid iris]

yeah, good call. I also felt like the pink fires were kinda consistent with a random per channel inversion

but then it was so desaturated per channel didn't make sense

[mortal wolf]

acesv2 is custom desat over tonemap by luminance

with hellwig as hue processor

[clever spindle]

is it?

[golden scaffold]

Idk what I'm looking at but I really like the psycho? It's just the what looks like blowout that feels that adds some depth over gamut mapping (sky is punchier too) I just like my HDR this way

All others are poopoo

[mortal wolf]

acesv2, like AgX, it blows out to white in SDR before you can tell, so they probably didn't notice how reddish and pink it is

[vivid iris]

I’ve seen it happen when messing with per channel boosts when making mods.

[ruby crown]

I think the game's lighting is carrying the look a lot

[mortal wolf]

@vivid iris show us with psychov-11
#🧪lab message

#🧪lab message

[ruby crown]

For those who liked it, that is

[crude marsh]

the lighting barely works though

[ruby crown]

Random reviewers don't know that

[vivid iris]

Soon

Dog needed to go out

[mortal wolf]

it meets the standards of random reviewers

[crude marsh]

there are some scenes that look nice

[clever spindle]

chances are the game was per channel until a few months ago

and they copied ACES 2 from UE once 5.7 came out.

[mortal wolf]

nobody has by-luminance assets

they don't exist

aces is for arri cameras, not CGI. always has been

[clever spindle]

albedo are theoretically not affected by per channel tonemapping.

[vivid iris]

I don’t remember old footage of the game looking the same yeah

[faint bobcat]

yes

rememeber the memes

of the face

I havent seen that now

[clever spindle]

probably gonna look a lot better

[faint bobcat]

of giga cursed pink tomato red skin tones

[mortal wolf]

even so, human eye doesn't see 1000 nits red the same at 30 nit red

[clever spindle]

especiall y given tonemapping isn't by channel already

the art is semi ready for a proper tonemapper

except fire

but it's not so bad

[mortal wolf]

aces "fixed" their own per-channel-on-ap1 issues by using luminance-on-ap1

[vivid iris]

The fire is actually a proper red yellow

I looked at it with max channel and luminance tonemaps already

[mortal wolf]

they created the problem they were "fixing"

[elfin niche]

Hdr fix coming !

?

[wispy crown]

So I wonder I've never seen the process of creating a RenoDX mod. What else needs to be done to create it?

[mortal wolf]

since the game already has hdr support, it's just shader replacement

so dump shaders, modify shaders, package up

[wispy crown]

Ah that makes sense. Probably just a lot of work finding all the shaders.

[elfin niche]

And death stranding 2 have hdr support but have fix

[mortal wolf]

only this game has so much AMD hardware centric 16bit half-float math, decompiler has to be tweaked

we may not have realtime user grading though, if the lutbuilder doesn't run every frame

[vivid iris]

it can't even be called an hdr fix really, they technically are doing things fine

acesv2 is just not good looking

[mortal wolf]

they followed the ikea instructions, but you still end up with a cheap product in the end

[wispy crown]

I just wish they would give me the paperwhite value in nits instead of a random stupid number like 50.

[clever spindle]

that's how programmers pretend they are good

add bugs

[vivid iris]

it's cause it's not paper white

[clever spindle]

claim glory for fixing your own bugs

wait for 🥳 emoji 😄

[wispy crown]

Ah that makes it even worse. So it's just general exposure?

[clever spindle]

if you increase paper white, it's gonna wash out everything 3 times as well.

if you set paper white to ~20 nits

[spare quartz]

so its not ITM but proper hdr already

[clever spindle]

things will be colorful

(still desaturated)

[vivid iris]

not ITM, but some things could be improved still

[clever spindle]

it's "proper" HDR.
ACES 2 is seen as the peak of civilization, chatgpt is absolutely OBSESSED with it.

[wispy crown]

I always thought paperwhite and peak brightness are the two relevant settings when everything technical behind the scenes work.

[clever spindle]

it will not even try to answer tonemapping questions anymore

it literally just tells you how ACES 2 does it

gospel

[spare quartz]

time to clean the context(kill it)

[clever spindle]

i think the art is all over the place maybe, in terms of saturation

however, they might be boosting saturation before ACES

because in UE it looks a lot more desaturated

[mortal wolf]

ACESv2 put their faith in Hellwig which is only based on data models upto like 300 nits or something. useless for HDR

[rough granite]

Why didn’t they put RT shadows for the sun … the shadow map flicker is insane at few meters

[worthy stream]

the game is UE5? I thought they use their own tech?

[faint bobcat]

copied

not UE5

[worthy stream]

would it be allowed to just copy it?

[faint bobcat]

theyre not copying UE5

[clever spindle]

was this at another time of the day?

[worthy stream]

oh I see what you mean

[faint bobcat]

they're taking UE5 ACES v2 code

[vivid iris]

yes

and I had the wrong color space iirc

[crude marsh]

dont worry we are getting RT shadows at some point (except the lowest possible quality RT shadows with incorrect geometry)

[worthy stream]

still sounds questionable

[clever spindle]

is this without grading and aces? or just aces? it seems like there's a blue tint.

[mortal wolf]

no, this is straight from aces repo

[worthy stream]

that makes more sense

[clever spindle]

either way, neutral looks miles better.

[mortal wolf]

they have the full gamma and gamut table as textures

[rough granite]

Do you mean Forge will implement it wrongly? 😝

[crude marsh]

nah the devs are implementing and its using surfels

[rough granite]

Ah? Do you have a link about it? (or surfels is a joke I don’t understand)

[low crane]

Big ups to the hardworking reno devs working on this.

[crude marsh]

surfels is RT geometry representation

[wispy crown]

Surfels is a quite cheap way to do RayTracing. That allows them to have RT GI and Reflections even on base consoles like PS5. The game gets a lot of hate for the bugs and the LOD and all of that but honestly I think it's quite an achievement what they did especially on their own tech.

[rough granite]

It can’t be worse than seeing 100 pop ins either shadows or small details every 10cm you walk, it kind of make me want not playing

[lapis smelt]

It legit looks like your character has a nature god power and flowers grows where he walks

[crude marsh]

lmao

[rough granite]

Yeah …

[wispy crown]

Yeah it's quite a bit of visual noise but that's how they achieve the performance. I assume something like Nanite would not work at all in their frametime budget.

[crude marsh]

they have achieved worse performance with worse visuals

so

[rough granite]

But as always, allow the option to go higher for people with the hardware

I’d take a 40fps / 120hz on a 5090 if it means less pop in

[wispy crown]

I honestly know not many games that achieve that kind of visuals on consoles. Maybe something like AC Shadows? But that looks absolutely horrendous with distant details.

[rough granite]

AC Shadows on PC was gorgeous imo

[crude marsh]

I am already at 45-50fps base fps on an RTX 6000 and it looks like this

[wispy crown]

Totally agree AC Shadows is insanely cool but also much more restricted than Crimson Desert from a open world perspective.

[spare quartz]

it also used virtualised geometry, like nanite. I like how it eliminates pop ins but most gamers hate the performance cost

[rough granite]

RTX6000? Like a pro GPu?

[crude marsh]

yeah the one 10-15% above a 5090

[wispy crown]

Didn't work on vegetation though. You can still see that in game quite a lot but it's masked very nicely.

[midnight blade]

Hey, any way to remove chromatic aberration ?

[crude marsh]

not yet

[wispy crown]

Not yet afaik

[midnight blade]

I see, thanks

[spare quartz]

yeah I think cdpr are cooking something new for that in UE

[wispy crown]

Honestly I feel like Witcher 4 will have so much custom tech inside their UE5 branch.

[lapis smelt]

Nvidia putting that DLSS5 slop on AC Shadows as a demonstration was a crime against humanity

It obliterated the scene

[spare quartz]

nah they are basically collaborating. most of it will end up in public ue

[wispy crown]

For now they are mostly backporting the features into the main branch but I still think there will be a lot of things custom for W4.

[crude marsh]

biggest thing from witcher will be foliage tech, foliage is #1 thing that kills every game

[wispy crown]

I think the NPC stuff will be even bigger especially for Open World Games.

[mortal wolf]

foliage is the type of thing that is massively improved with tensor cores because they're literally trees and branches

[sleek veldt]

anyone notice with RR on your textures look flatter in some areas?

[wispy crown]

Yep known bug. RR reduces POM effect.

[sleek veldt]

What is POM?

[wispy crown]

Fake 3D depth of textures.

[crude marsh]

some would argue that is preferable because the games POM is buggy

[sleek veldt]

Ah

[smoky brook]

bug or fix for POM jitter?

[sleek veldt]

I really like this game, I hyped myself up correctly

Idc for story, just wanted a world to explore with hard fights(i'm ill prepared)

[crude marsh]

the gameplay itself seems potentially cool, just have to get past everything around it

[worthy kernel]

they rewrote the engine every year to get the most performance possible!!!!

[crude marsh]

🙁

[rough cliff]

hows performance?

[sleek veldt]

I am on a 5090

[rough cliff]

i find it a bit too blurry for me with RR, and i wish it looked better without RR

damn

[sleek veldt]

so I think i'll be a little biased

[rough cliff]

im on a 4080 super at 1440p

[spare quartz]

yeah I am wondering if the non RR POM is the bugged one

[rough cliff]

and i cant sustain 60fps with dlss balanced RR

also anything below dlaa looks way blurrier than it should

[polar crow]

sad RR takes so much fps I turned it off for now :/

[sleek veldt]

But with RR Perf mode x2FG at 4K getting 150-160FPS just about in a lot of areas

[rough cliff]

same i basically have to turn it off

[rough cliff]

damn

is it not blurry?

i find it looks way blurrier than other games at the same dlss level

[sleek veldt]

I don't think so

[wispy crown]

Yes I played it like that too but it's so blurry especially with distant rendering..

[rotund raptor]

it is blurrier forsure

[crude marsh]

for me with an RTX 6000 at 5k x 2k dlss balanced the FPS is pretty abysmal, 45-50 base

[rough cliff]

maybe its mostly an issue below 4k, thats a much lower input res

[crude marsh]

the resolution scaling is really bad

[sleek veldt]

I felt like it was blurrier at higher res due to over sharpening with DLAA

[rough cliff]

ya i have a 4080 super and get the same fps with RR and dlss balanced, at 1440p

[wispy crown]

Wait until you have daytime rain with RR on. It's so incredibly bad. Game looks like rendered in 720p

[chrome sun]

chromatic aberration make it a lot blurry

[rough cliff]

apparently there is some blur setting in accessiblity

[sleek veldt]

Ah yeah the rain was kinda fucked but at least we could see it

[rough cliff]

but i think they fucked their upscaling

[sleek veldt]

instead of that glitch of it being invisible

[rough cliff]

it seems to use low res samples when using upscaling

[crude marsh]

yeah, Forge mentioned the upscaling is broken

[rough cliff]

instead of output res samples

[chrome sun]

only setting for motion blur and dof

[rough cliff]

i hope they fix it... if its even fixable

[crude marsh]

there are multiple things that are broken relating to upscaling

theres also a bug with I think one of the shadow components where it renders at half res but doesn't sample to the full screen

[sleek veldt]

Blur Intensity in Accessibility

[wispy crown]

RenoDX mod release in 10 minutes that fixes every single visual bug of the game including LOD

Makes RR Ultra Performance look like proper 8K™ image

[foggy cove]

lol funnily enough I think lod is even closer than in preview videos. So close that the character hides it a lot of the time.

[crude marsh]

so you get something that renders in the top left quarter of your screen instead of the whole screen

[sleek veldt]

8K UP with 2x FG looks pretty good tbh

[chrome sun]

for the motion blur

[sleek veldt]

That's for motion blur if I am not mistaen

I turned it off and it looked like no blur but I like it at 100 for some games

this is one

[foggy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[sleek veldt]

Witcher 3 is $10

for complete edition

should I grab that?

[mossy gust]

of course

[foggy cove]

Really hope it’s possible to unlock vram

Make use of my 4080s

It’s enough the 5070ti beats it already

Is it even limited or is VRS just making it shit

Trick question

[rough granite]

wonder if we could disable screen space shadows as they are popin a lot on vegetation

[sleek veldt]

Y'all don't like to see pumpkins popin on screen

[faint bobcat]

that would nuke half the visuals

[wispy crown]

I really wanna disable VRS

[vivid iris]

psychov with acesv2 curves by luminosity

[faint bobcat]

better off fixing their shadow code

[sleek veldt]

Is the ingame HDR implementation really that ass?

[vivid iris]

though idk how much I care to keep the acesv2 curves

[mortal wolf]

skip it, use what i did in cyberpunk

[vivid iris]

hardcoded the lutbuilder to go to 10k

[mortal wolf]

also show flames

[faint bobcat]

I dont like how that looks

[vivid iris]

alright

wait is that what you linked earlier?

[rough granite]

really doable or too early to tell?

[faint bobcat]

[crude marsh]

I am also making a tool to extract their game files

[faint bobcat]

if shader decomp works I can see

[mortal wolf]

yes 💀

[vivid iris]

sorry I was outside lol

scrolled up and found it

[faint bobcat]

ghidra vibe reverse engineer .exe

gib us LOD fix

[wispy crown]

Just vibe code nanite into their engine

[faint bobcat]

The game will look a lot better if we remove all the shit thats blasting the screen right now

and then add in 'energy' back into the scene from BRDF reworking

and LMS for their reyleigh

isntead of cope RGB

diabolical

[wheat elk]

this is what you need 🙏
was able to remove the culling from a game with it
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering

[flint moss]

Damn I wish I didn't care about visuals so much, im sure I would enjoy this game a lot more if I didnt

[mortal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/raquita-gif-9201420

[fresh smelt]

Interesting

[wheat elk]

it's been invaluable in getting Halo CE working with RTX Remix

[abstract hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1478682998684516506/1484573551053901834/image.png?ex=69beb85c&is=69bd66dc&hm=f497e2baa69431a735e9db34f87f4f08bf592af553e0d71268010250b40fc380&

https://www.twitch.tv/streamerhouse

If anyone wants to throw that in background to farm drops.

[vivid iris]

wait what you did in cyberpunk is something I already did more or less lol

anyway yeah much like the untonemapped image it just looks better than what they did

[vivid iris]

I guess the route forward for this game is to have a basic vanilla+ that fixes the exposure control, and then have a default mode in the mod that actually looks good

anyway here's psycho

[mortal wolf]

flames please

all i see is pink red interiors on youtube

[vivid iris]

they look like fire

and yes the flames in this game are either white or pinkish normally

[forest path]

buddy you need to do vanilla comparison lolol

[hybrid nova]

should I use hdr 10 gaming plus via hdmi cable to fix this game hdr? its so dark and settings dont seem to fix it

[wispy crown]

Just wait for the renodx mod. Seems like it's not that far away now.

[vivid iris]

I thought i posted that before tbh

[forest path]

hdr10+ is a hoax

it does nothing but set peak brightness for you

[viscid wedge]

I truly love the water that falls in angles.

[vivid iris]

my dog making sure I can't focus for more than 2 minutes at a time is fuckin me up

[forest path]

i've tested several games on my s95d and it did nothing valuable

[nova cargo]

HDR10+ Gaming is a hoax. HDR10+ for movies is fine

[forest path]

the only HDR fix is renodx, or luma framework

[forest path]

hoax like dolby

[nova cargo]

Dolby scientism

[hybrid nova]

I consulted a clanker, and it said my monitor Samsung g6 oled has max brightness of 1000, but the images Ive seen seem brighter with hdr10gamingplus

[forest path]

you consulted a what

[hybrid nova]

gemini lol

[wispy crown]

What the hell

[vivid iris]

gonna tune out for a bit and focus on writing this addon

[forest path]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jQmVFypWInKCc

[wispy crown]

Thanks for your work. Praying

[mortal wolf]

watching this dude's stream, all that burnt sienna is disgusting

[manic finch]

thanks for the work put into this! Can't wait to use it

[forest path]

could be the display tonemapping differently

[wispy crown]

I watched some twitch streams too. The bitrate for this game is absolutely criminal. Most of the time I can only see macro blocking

[forest path]

the game has no reason to behave different

[clever spindle]

better, but something is still cursed. why are the mountains emitting radioactive vibes?

[hybrid nova]

Im using DP for all my monitors, but seems like HDMI might be better choice here.

[wispy crown]

Normally HDMI or DP shouldn't make a difference unless the monitor actually changes it's processing based on input.

[viscid wedge]

G6 doesn't even use DSC so it should be exactly the same with either

scratch that, they both require DSC

so in the end, still the same

[hybrid nova]

I see, so I gotta wait for reno then

[spare quartz]

must be a token printer

[wheat elk]

worth it tbh

[crude marsh]

I am gonna try it out

[wheat elk]

I've waited 3 years to get Halo CE properly working with Remix lol
using the copilot pro free trial was so worth it

[rough granite]

guys we can catch butterflies and flies, I excuse them for the technical mess

[teal pumice]

ya pinkish fire is a very typical sign of per channel

[viscid wedge]

I caught a centipede! 🤣

[spare quartz]

smart. i burned $500 tokens at my work doing normal stuff

[wheat elk]

I couldn't imagine spending that kind of money on tokens

my monitor was around that much

[barren pasture]

IMHO super based first impression

[rough granite]

I have your mum, fix the game or else

[jade flame]

It's pretty crazy how some things spawn in like 18 inches from the characters foot at times.

[teal pumice]

🤷‍♂️

secret sauce for optimization

runs on a gtx 1050ti

[lyric aurora]

Is this on ultra settings ?

[crude marsh]

well so far

0x0000000144D03088: _pointLightShadowNearClipScaleDepthBias
  xref: 0x00000001427B376C (lea rdx, [rip + 0x254f915])
  xref: 0x00000001427B389C (lea rdx, [rip + 0x254f7e5])
  xref: 0x00000001427E731B (lea rdx, [rip + 0x251bd66])
  xref: 0x00000001427E735A (lea rdx, [rip + 0x251bd27])
0x0000000144D03110: _dynamicMassiveShadowDistance
  xref: 0x00000001427B2DCC (lea rdx, [rip + 0x255033d])
  xref: 0x00000001427B2EFC (lea rdx, [rip + 0x255020d])
  xref: 0x00000001427E6D8F (lea rdx, [rip + 0x251c37a])
  xref: 0x00000001427E6DCE (lea rdx, [rip + 0x251c33b])
0x0000000144D06050: pointLightShadowNearClipScaleDepthBias
  xref: 0x00000001427E7347 (lea rdx, [rip + 0x251ed02])
  xref: 0x00000001427E74A2 (lea rdx, [rip + 0x251eba7])
0x0000000144D060D0: dynamicMassiveShadowDistance
  xref: 0x00000001427E6DBB (lea rdx, [rip + 0x251f30e])
0x0000000144D29C38: _check__cascadeSize1
0x0000000144D29C50: _cascadeSize1```

[rough granite]

With shader toggler if you remove the grass and the floor it’s fixed

[crude marsh]

just remove the ground and the grass bro

[faint bobcat]

[flint moss]

Maybe the devs want us to stand still all the time and appreciate the rocks

[rough granite]

Mom released

[faint bobcat]

so time for collab

time to vibe RE

OHHHH NOOOOO

if ound why POM is soo dogshit

fUKKK

memmm

never cook

[rough granite]

Point lights are not really sun?

[teal pumice]

meanwhile conslop players...

[crude marsh]

👀

[wispy crown]

Oh what? That was fast

[faint bobcat]

lemme do a TLDR

[rough granite]

also brown font on brown background

[viscid wedge]

art direction on point

[wispy crown]

Don't you guys have glasses?

[covert ruin]

so has it rained for anyone in game? i got RR on and haven’t seen rain and got like 7 hours in

[viscid wedge]

yes, but with RR off. (4K DLAA)

[wispy crown]

Yes rain is visible for me with RR at least at daytime but it looks like the resolution is 720p

[mortal wolf]

fails WCAG AA

[covert ruin]

does no RR still look good? is it too noisy

[viscid wedge]

water is atrocious. such low framerate and.. angled? (water quality on cinematic)

[sleek veldt]

Weird In the first town I had RR on and it rained

I could see rain

[rough granite]

Not familiar with that? Readability standard?

[mortal wolf]

Crimson Burnt Sienna Desert

[wispy crown]

Rain with 5120x2160 RR Performance.

[crude marsh]

my eyes

[sleek veldt]

I see rain

[crude marsh]

why is there so much CA

[karmic void]

I'm crying

[faint bobcat]

**Why POM / displacement flickers **

1. Grazing angle division instability
2. WaveActiveAnyTrue() branching is dogshit
3. DeformedPushConstants_m0[4].y is a per drawcall push constant with no temporal smoothing so any time something changes e.g their abysmal pop in you get massive terraforming

Stairstepping at intersections

1. SV_DepthGreaterEqual on FillHolesDepthDisplacementPS causes displaced depth to only move away from the camera, never closer. POE II went over this. Z-test is fucked and theres no smooth transition for materials

2. Half res tile structure so it snaps badly

Warping

1. Flat bias in ReconstructBehindMaterialsCS, so even terrain that should be 'flat' stll gets forced height. When two or more materials both have the same height its ggs when they merge
2. BackgroundTilePS decodes packed normals → bilinearly blends them → re-encodes. ReconstructBehindMaterialsCS decodes them again → blends → re-encodes. (slop on slop on slop that ruins quality each step of the way)
3. Projection formula mismatch

[mortal wolf]

burnt sienna brings me back to grade school

[sleek veldt]

Does it look different without the RR

[wispy crown]

Yes the background stays sharp but the rain is similarly.

[sleek veldt]

When I was playing and I switched between the 2 the difference was minimal and I was in town so no far distances

[wispy crown]

Just you have no idea how bad the flicker is with RR on unless you experienced it in motion.

It's legit the worst I've seen in a long time. At night it's fine but at daytime...

[sleek veldt]

I am glad I don't noticeit

[wispy crown]

Maybe mine was just a very unlucky scene

[sleek veldt]

So best way to play the game? just RT with max ligthing? is cinematic the only possiblity without RR

[rough granite]

The game does teach you what is water and bread. I guess by the time I read the codex game will be fixed.

[wispy crown]

Either DLAA without RR/Cinematic Lighting or RR Performance...

Honestly can't decide between them.

[sleek veldt]

I really love the RR look in perfomance

I don't like the HALO around the armor

in day time

[jade flame]

I can't stand how unstable the image is using DLSS in the game so I can't really use RR until that is improved.

[crude marsh]

I think RR is the only option if you want decent lighting, but pick your poison

[wispy crown]

I feel like the boiling artifacts with RR are terrible. The distant flicker, cloud flicker as well as bugged POM is such big downsides

[rough granite]

I play with RR and balanced on 4K TV and it looks great image quality wise

[faint bobcat]

@crude marsh its INZANNNNE

Everything is done on some half res or quater res or 1/8th tes bs

[crude marsh]

bleh

[faint bobcat]

AyyyMD conslow optimsation

[crude marsh]

I mean, it looks that way right

all of the particle effects so far have been horribly noisy

[rough granite]

But! I used 40 fps / 120hz container which mean I have room for DLSS (sorry I’m in quality not balanced)

[sleek veldt]

AMD is fine as seen by RE9 benchmarks

[wispy crown]

Is it fixable through modding or do you think devs would have to patch it?

[faint bobcat]

whats fixable?

anythings fixable if we figure out how

[sleek veldt]

Anything you touch 😉

[faint bobcat]

their displacement mapping BS can be fixed in shader code

[sleek veldt]

BOB THE BUILDER

YES WE CAN

[rough granite]

Forge will just add DLSS5 and let AI fix the visuals, it’s just a filter bro

[faint bobcat]

#grok fix

[sleek veldt]

I am not mad at DLSS5

I see it as a DLSS1 moment

but genAI

[digital quest]

DLSS5 under the hood is forge working fulltime like a slave

[rough granite]

We need to at blinking to characters 😳

[worn ibex]

Was short fuse able to shortly fuse the short that was fusing the shaders?

[dire pilot]

So like that agentic AI that was just a warehouse of Indian IT slaves? lol

[karmic void]

@crude marsh can we increase the ray count backhand?

[grim pewter]

AI = An Indian

[wispy crown]

I really wanna know why this game is so fucked when upscaling is enabled.

Just want RR to stop flickering and boiling all the time

[crude marsh]

the boiling was far worse without RR at least at the same res

in the interior I looked at anyhow

[rough cliff]

It’s broken mip map bias and other issues

Upscaling is broken

[wispy crown]

Yeah interiors are fine but distant detail is so bad

[wispy crown]

but just changing lod bias to -1.625 doesn't fix it.

[faint bobcat]

already explained

sampling is broken causes pixelation

VRS is abused so you get upscaling on lower res per shader

mip map bias is borked

[carmine stump]

is all of this fixable?

[rough cliff]

the devs should be the ones to fix it, not us ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint bobcat]

[wispy crown]

At least VRS should be able to be turned off on PC. Bad devs

[crude marsh]

well, devs obviously aren't going to fix it if it was released like this

[rough cliff]

Idk maybe they were just oblivious

[faint bobcat]

You basically have the top autists reviewing this game rn

[rough cliff]

Maybe everyone at pearl abyss wears glasses

[crude marsh]

sigh, of course the xml files are encrypted prior to packing

[rough cliff]

I feel like the online outrage at the resolution would prompt them to try and fix it, I hope

[foggy cove]

yall just gotta start from scratch redo the whole game

[faint bobcat]

chief, this is what BDO looks like

they dont care

[crude marsh]

[faint bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[carmine stump]

lol

[rough cliff]

Damn wtf lmao

[faint bobcat]

oh would you look at that CD has the same problem

[karmic void]

I got tanned!

[faint bobcat]

what a surprise

I can disable their abysmal small debris spawning shader

stops some of the pop in

and random tree twigs in castles

[manic finch]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-excited-gif-27408104

[worn ibex]

Aren’t mip maps easy to fix in post

[rough granite]

Actually there is a shader toggler for that, Nexus modder beat you to it 😬

[frosty fulcrum]

has anyone tried HDR10+

[inner cape]

yeah it just set my peak brightness automatically and grayed out the option

hdr looked the same

[foggy cove]

didn't even let me do it

[mortal wolf]

HDR10+ makes no sense on a game with a tonemapper

if it were truly HDR10+ it would lock out the peak nits

and give your TV untonemapped

it's just a bunch of flailing by the devs

[chrome sun]

Hope someone will get rid of that thing

[inner cape]

at least that it does

[mortal wolf]

including UI? it locks out UI?

[inner cape]

yeah i cant modify the peak nits value

here is with it disabled

[mortal wolf]

makes no sense to lock out UI, though i wonder what they input peak nits as peak with HDR10+ into ACESv2

[modern bronze]

I’m not reviewing the game though /s

[foggy cove]

man this horn splitter boss is impossible wtf is this shit

just gives you easy ass enemies then gives you a boss harder than elden rings first

[modern bronze]

Isn’t Elden Ring’s first boss one of the hardest in the game?

[dire pilot]

Depends how you define first boss

[modern bronze]

The dude on the bridge

[foggy cove]

no lol

but yes that boss

[modern bronze]

Compared to where you are when you get to him

[dire pilot]

Margit is pretty easy

[modern bronze]

Idk I didn’t finish Elden ring but I had an easier time later

[dire pilot]

But he is an earlier skill check compared to other From games

[modern bronze]

He’s hard compared to his place in the game which is how I tend to measure difficulty

[lapis smelt]

This never fails to make me laugh

[modern bronze]

How hard was he for the player who is fighting him, not raw difficulty.

[jade kettle]

Is there any benefits to hdr10+ it looks the same to me

[mortal wolf]

it's supposed to be the TV's tonemapper to your TV's capabilities

[modern bronze]

I was told yesterday hdr10+ might actually be worse

[foggy cove]

pisses me off how the character is literally smaller than me but doesn't get staggered by my hits yet im eternally locked into his combos if i don't dodge first try

[modern bronze]

But my tv doesn’t support it which is ironically how I ended up here.

[jade kettle]

im on a true 400 monitor

so no idea

[modest hatch]

Such mixed feelings about this game

Mostly good

[mortal wolf]

HDR10+ should never be better than a proper shader-based tonemapper

[modest hatch]

But frustrating how a game that is fun can be so tedious

[worthy stream]

should try his luck as a comedian tbh

[mortal wolf]

because it's mostly guesswork by the TV

[next tinsel]

Yes please

[modern bronze]

I hate being a pc gamer. I spend at least the first 45 minutes of the game trying to make sure my settings are perfect then I find something to hyperfocus on and spend an hour on google finding random discord servers with in-development mods that make me want to wait for their release before I play the game

[carmine stump]

Thats the spirit!

[lapis smelt]

The game is the path, the settings are the destination, my friend.

[analog parrot]

welcome to the club :D

[gilded kestrel]

i play more discord than game atp

[mortal wolf]

RenoDX devs should get prerelease builds at this point

[next tinsel]

Speaking of that, anyone found where in the configuration files is the setting for Chromatic Abysmaltraction?

[teal pumice]

100% should

[lyric aurora]

oh so that means we soon gonna have a renodx preset for the game ?

[mortal wolf]

reviewers don't do anything to help their game, modders do

[mortal wolf]

lol preset

[faint bobcat]

never beating the reshade preset allegations

[mortal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[next tinsel]

RenoDX is so so much more

[faint bobcat]

a couple autists can outline and fix your issues

what a billion play testers cant

[lapis smelt]

v

[mortal wolf]

i think it's a fair ask, send renodx devs some keys

i don't have the game and yet, here i am decompiling it

[final imp]

Genuinely don’t understand why they don’t. Like so many randos get keys

[lyric aurora]

yeah sorry i'm not a pro in these things and i'm not english either but you got what i wanted to say ^^

[faint bobcat]

randos market

[gilded kestrel]

2 million people booked an appointment with their eye doctors to fix 200% sharpening on their eyes

[grim pewter]

a lot of devs also dont like people rightfully criticising their implementations of many features

[modern bronze]

Because the same autists who will fix it will say the game needed another 6 months in development because the tonemapping was bad.

[grim pewter]

they take it personally

[final imp]

Stupid, legit free work to make ur shit better

[next tinsel]

Need to learn to take the criticism and grow from it nuff said

[modern bronze]

The worst feedback is honest feedback even for a good game.

Imagine you served dinner to your friends and the first thing they said was “could’ve used a little less salt”

Could’ve been a 9/10 meal with 5% too much salt

But that’s the first thing they say

[final imp]

Like they have a reviewer discord to take feedback from them. They take feedback from DF. should send keys here

[flint moss]

Honestly if i were a dev i would contact renodx and say "pls make our hdr amazing we pay u big money"

[lapis smelt]

DF will say "Have you tried DLSS5? Its amazing""

[modern bronze]

They do that internally and then ignore the guy who asks for another week to finish their work

[lucid shoal]

Depends on which half of DF

[vivid iris]

something kinda nice is that this game actually properly detects when the shader cache has been invalidated even if it's a mod fucking with shit

[modern bronze]

Is there a slay the spire 2 RenoDX release while I wait to play my $90 game to get one even though I can enjoy it right now?

[flint moss]

Might just be the first positive thing I've read so far (even tho I don't understand it)

[faint bobcat]

Ok boys, found their screenspaced shadows

two shaders

both tiled

time to see wtf is up

[vivid iris]

always worth keeping in mind that literally every single game that comes out has a thread in technical spaces that is filled with bitching and moaning

[faint bobcat]

perfect

[sleek veldt]

I just want to be able to take lighting off MAX back to Cinematic with RR

wtf is that setting

[faint bobcat]

not running rays at 1/16th

[sleek veldt]

Why your game look so good

D:

[faint bobcat]

Forge Edition

[modern bronze]

Everyone cares about something specific. The HDR guys are going to tear apart the HDR implementation like rabid wolves.

[sleek veldt]

Lemme get that early release please

[ocean onyx]

somehow looks better without shadows

[sleek veldt]

How does it change performace if at all?

[viscid wedge]

We're joking about that looking good, right? ...right?

[rough granite]

put it on nexus as steamdeck performance optimization

[modern bronze]

Wait. I didn’t realize that discord renders images differently in thumbnails vs full image

I thought people were joking about it looking good then I clicked on it lmao

I’m on mobile

[sleek veldt]

There is no shadows

[lapis smelt]

All the shadows are gone, come on haha

[modern bronze]

Click on it

[rotund raptor]

bro just learned sarcasm

[modern bronze]

The colors actually do look really good lmao

[rough granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

if there are no shadows, can't be shadow pop in

[green gulch]

its like everything is done in photoshop

[viscid wedge]

I'm on desktop, I don't have that issue. @sleek veldt had no indication that they were joking and i've seen people say weirder things that have little experience to compare to.

[modern bronze]

Oh lmao

I’m on mobile it looks washed out and sickly until you click it

[viscid wedge]

Yeah thats normal, at least on iOS, with HDR screenshots

[modern bronze]

It’s obviously missing shadows but the colors are vibrant

[viscid wedge]

it looks like play dough

[modern bronze]

Kek

iPhone users

[mortal wolf]

meanwhile i bought my kids sackboy big adventure on steam sale, and 3 copies of Peak

[modern bronze]

I should just play my game. I paid full price for the deluxe edition for a game that will be $27 in 2 months

[faint bobcat]

BRUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH

not screenspaced

nearfield shadow map

that manage to look worse than Bend's screenspaec ones

[modern bronze]

That sounds bad

[faint bobcat]

@wheat elk

kino

bro

brilliant

[faint bobcat]

and cost more as well

[modern bronze]

Is it easier to implement?

Why would they do that?

[wheat elk]

wonderful

[faint bobcat]

Hard dist < 128 cutoff on dynamic cascades

so grass over 128 metres gets no shadows

[analog parrot]

it keeps getting better and better

[modern bronze]

Just turn the shadows off, shadows are for the weak.

[ocean onyx]

is there anything about this game that is not cursed and cooked and boiled and deep fried

[modern bronze]

The controls.

[mortal wolf]

there was a hard cap of 128 on somehting related to rayleigh scattering

which is ~0.5 of 8bit

[ocean onyx]

the controls are at least 3 of those

[stable crag]

I love it when there is a small circle of visible shadows that travels with the player.

[modern bronze]

Do the controls get worse later in the game? I liked the controller controls in the first hour or so

[rotund raptor]

Controls are arse lol

[faint bobcat]

their min16float output quantisation causes cascade seams

@crude marsh

this might be it

[rotund raptor]

this gonna be the hardest renodx mod to date?

[mortal wolf]

but AMD!

[modern bronze]

Holy shit really? Fuuuuck. (Idk what that is don’t tell I’m not asking, just memeing)

[mortal wolf]

will always be Animal Well

the one that got away...

[rotund raptor]

what is that??

[jade spruce]

Either it's going to be the biggest and most comprehensive one, or it is gonna be abandoned lmao

[rough granite]

It’s HDR99, it also fixes shadows and pop in

[modern bronze]

The Animal Well lore runs deep apparently

[faint bobcat]

Vegetation stencil path gets shadows but then their terrain shadow path clamps output so grass shadows dont get shadows

I am pissing myselfd

[crude marsh]

I have the vibe tool trying to find shadow settings in my live game at the moment...

[modern bronze]

I am starting to think that RenoDX isn’t just a preset.

[faint bobcat]

replace everything then add Markov chain pathtracing

it will run better on AyyyMD as well

[jade spruce]

Never was

[rough cliff]

it rewrites the games native hdr lol

thats why its so hard to make

[crude marsh]

reno only thing salvaging HDR in modern gaming

[modern bronze]

I’m half joking, I thought it was until about half hour ago when someone made a comment about it and it was made clear it wasn’t lol

[zenith belfry]

How is the native HDR? At least better than SDR?

[crude marsh]

no

[zenith belfry]

damn

[true dagger]

native hdr is so ugly

[modern bronze]

I like the contrast and saturation jack up

[jade spruce]

How can you discern extremely shit from extremely shit?

[vivid iris]

really depends on perspective. The only reason any of these mods can be easy is because shortfuse poured a ton of work into building up this framework.

this game is difficult in the sense that decomp needs extra features

[lapis smelt]

According to Oliver from Digital Foundry Renodx is the same thing as DLSS5

[mortal wolf]

also hifi rush is hard to mod

[jade spruce]

It's so much more, it allows people to change most shaders, not just HDR

[modern bronze]

DLSS5 makes games look better (don’t kill me plz im just joking)

[crude marsh]

we need to ban DF from being mentioned in all technical/modding communities

[ocean onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunters-kpop-demon-hunters-meme-kill-you-were-going-to-have-to-kill-you-rumi-meme-gif-15325337016371276415

[crude marsh]

I get mentioned like 15 times per DF video

[faint bobcat]

The transition between cascade 2 → terrain shadow is not blended. it's a hard UV boundary test with no blend region.

So as the camera moves, say a grass pixel snaps from a highres cascade to the terrain shadow map

[true dagger]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWFlZWNjYzExdHl2eW9yMTMxNDRyaXZxaG1oYnA0emdiOWIwdTBuOHdlazVnNjY4NCZlcD12MV9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/dQGQnrbzjxBPsnVyIJ/200.gif

[modern bronze]

I haven’t watched a digital foundry video in at least 6 months.

[faint bobcat]

[faint bobcat]

chat what is going on

really

what is happening

I am ded

[faint bobcat]

when decomp works

I am going to add debug views

[analog parrot]

this is the best sticker ever

[faint bobcat]

so I can see all of this

[modern bronze]

They’re interesting sometimes but I always get the gut feeling there is something wrong with their methodology.

[jade spruce]

The slow descent of froge into madness

[faint bobcat]

because RTVs are griefed atm

[modern bronze]

Like idk what is wrong with their methodology per se but it always feels like something is missing

[ocean onyx]

forge is actually gonna be insane by the end of today lmao

[crude marsh]

I mean its pretty clear this is one of the worst technical implementations in a long time

[modern bronze]

Like they don’t understand what I might actually care about or something

[gilded kestrel]

so forge what do you say can it be fixed up like endfield

or game is chopped

[faint bobcat]

grass shadows dont render after a certain range (no this isnt an optimsation thing)

shadows dont randmly apply becasue ?????

Shadows get hard transitions with no blending

[modern bronze]

How many of the mod devs here don’t even play games anymore and just do this instead?

[faint bobcat]

game is CHOOOOPED

[crude marsh]

yes

[faint bobcat]

ALl of this now rests on decomp

if I can get perfect working decomp

its cooking time

[modern bronze]

Thats how you know you’ve reached modding enlightenment is when you’re too busy to actually play video games because all you do is fix developer incompetence

[mortal wolf]

send, cso, decomp may be fine, just bloat

when the base llvm is over 7000+ lines, there's only so much you can do to make it look decent in hlsl

garbage in => garbage out

[faint bobcat]

damn going to have to do .asm editing

which will be hard

@mortal wolf

tiled shadows shaders

both handle shadowing

just different tiles

[barren pasture]

fixing game shadows with "Reeesheid preset" going brrrrr

[mortal wolf]

call void @dx.op.textureStore.f16(i32 67, %dx.types.Handle %3083, i32 %55, i32 %56, i32 undef, half %3079, half %3080, half %3081, half %3082, i8 15) ; TextureStore(srv,coord0,coord1,coord2,value0,value1,value2,value3,mask)
Function name: @dx.op.textureStore.f16
"..test/0xA3D73B02.cs_6_6.cso": Unknown call function name

call void @dx.op.textureStore.f16(i32 67, %dx.types.Handle %3099, i32 %55, i32 %56, i32 undef, half %3095, half %3096, half %3097, half %3098, i8 15) ; TextureStore(srv,coord0,coord1,coord2,value0,value1,value2,value3,mask)
Function name: @dx.op.textureStore.f16
"..test/0x6BB08B12.cs_6_6.cso": Unknown call function name

16bit uav. oof, damn AMD. hopefully it's just that in both

[modern bronze]

Did you know reshade preset?

[faint bobcat]

I genuinely thought these were screenspaced shadows because of how they look and behave

but no

just abysmally poor shadowmaps

[jade spruce]

That's me with skyrim. I mod it to mod if.

[crude marsh]

I have 500 hours in stalker 2 and I have never played the game

this is the way

[barren pasture]

this is the way

[jade spruce]

Same here something like that

[barren pasture]

wdym?

[modern bronze]

[modern bronze]

Exactly.

[worthy kernel]

kevin proven right once again

[jade spruce]

Kevin is going to drown in apology letters

Together with Timothy Lottes

[faint bobcat]

and now we know why grass / foliage looks soo poor

On top of all the above foliage cant get proper self shadowing unlike Bend's method

using Pearls method

and its more expensive to boot

[barren pasture]

Slop Abyss

[faint bobcat]

this is a true BRUH moment

the game literally has no per blade resolution

so grass just casts some blob

[ocean onyx]

what pearl abyss was cooking up

[worthy kernel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimsonDesert/comments/1rrhvuc/the_reason_crimson_desert_has_been_in_development/

The reason development took 7 years is that they basically overhauled the engine every single year to optimize performance and push more polygons. For example, while most engines optimize through culling (simply not rendering what's unseen), the BlackSpace engine (it had a different name when I was there) actually deletes the vertices. They also try new methods to shift tasks typically handled by the CPU over to the GPU.

7 years of optimization!!!!!!

[worn ibex]

I don’t get the point of HDR 10/dolby vision for games, correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t those things just there for movies to tonemap hdr based on peak nits (because films have fixed values)? And games already do tonemapping to reach peak nits

[barren pasture]

looks like proper time to send threat letters to PA devs /s

[ocean onyx]

yeah games should be able to communicate with display characteristics directly, movies don't have that luxury

[mortal wolf]

basically why HDR10+ makes no sense for games since games are dynamically generated

[worn ibex]

Re9 was 5 mil, Leon sweep

[crude marsh]

any idea what is responsible for

[ocean onyx]

what

what in the fuc

[faint bobcat]

I wanted to look into that

[crude marsh]

something is rendering half res

[faint bobcat]

I had it happen in the intro camp

[crude marsh]

and not being sampled to full res

[faint bobcat]

but only in cutsceens

[crude marsh]

it happens constantly

[faint bobcat]

so I couldnt replicate it

[crude marsh]

literally all the time

[faint bobcat]

I found some more kino

as to why shadowmaps flicker

its not just becasue of low res

[worn ibex]

Wait what, I thought you were in your 20s

[faint bobcat]

theres like 6 different things fucking them

[mortal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[modern bronze]

People in their 20’s can have children old enough to play games

[faint bobcat]

terrain shadow have no temporal stability at all

min16float output quantisation borks them again

Shadow map projection not stabilised

Binary cascade boundary with no blend region so is a hard transition

Poisson rotation has no temporal stability

[modern bronze]

Have a kid at 19 and you can have a 10 year old by 29

[faint bobcat]

[worn ibex]

It’s ok idek if I’ll make it to 30 with layoffs and how the world is going

[modern bronze]

I got laid off and it’s great. Funemployment rules

[vestal flicker]

Wasn't this game supposed to have water simulation ?!

[mortal wolf]

oldmangaming, 40 this year

[mortal wolf]

you don't get 20+ years of dev experience by being in your 20s

[ocean onyx]

find out anything new about this game -> abyssmal dogshit

[modern bronze]

The biggest issue I’m having is fighting off the recruiters without burning any bridges so I can get a job when I want one without breaking the terms of my unemployment by not job hunting

Being strategically unemployable is hard.

[crude marsh]

this scene is causing my physical pain

my eyes actually hurt

[modern bronze]

Why does it look deep fried?

[faint bobcat]

its wierd, didnt they say nights were meant to be dark

[low crane]

Is this the hardest game to get reno working on so far?

[faint bobcat]

meanwhile all I see is blue day

[ocean onyx]

i can't unsee the fires in this game being that color

[barren pasture]

experienced it aswell 😄

[crude marsh]

because the whole game looks deep fried

[modern bronze]

The wood colors look warm and inviting at least.

[ocean onyx]

deep fried is what they were going for

[worn ibex]

Im an immigrant so its a bit different for me, im always scared of lay offs

[worn ibex]

Referral?

[vivid iris]

will be fixed Soon™

[modern bronze]

I’m currently on a collision course for a job I’d actually like if I wanted to go back to work so I’m just making the process as long as possible