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[rotund raptor]

no RR with optimzed settings on 4070ti

[worldly frost]

Ok but he was asking about fg from 40-80

[modern bronze]

I chose L even though you guys are saying it uses its own preset.

[worldly frost]

Of course fg from 80 to 140 feels good

[lament nymph]

I just use preset L and turn off RR

[sly swift]

This a controller or Kb game chat

[rotund raptor]

should i use L over M?

[modern bronze]

I’m not able to notice any weird artifacts so far

[lament nymph]

dude the control scheme is so weird, controler support is barely there

[abstract hawk]

Game is certainly very pretty, though. All the 'issues' aside.

[upper sun]

Im using KBM but thats cause i played BDO for years with kbm and it feels similar xD

[sly swift]

Oh you know what

Maybe it is kbm

[low crane]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-franco-the-interiew

[modest hatch]

How’s the DLSS performance looking with everyone ?

[low crane]

wtf is this shit

[modern bronze]

The game started flickering when I turned on frame gen

[lucid shoal]

DF really need an extra PC person and now especially since Alex can't work full time with his back issues

[flint moss]

Looks fine for me at 4k

[modern bronze]

Is this hdr screenshot washout or does your game actually look like this?

[low crane]

hdr

[lament nymph]

... the contrast slider isn't working I can't fix this shit bleeding my eyes

need renodx more than ever

[karmic void]

I doubt that too

[modest hatch]

Same with frame gen even

Game looks good in indoor areas

Foliage seems to be the main issue

[foggy cove]

looks a lot more like itm than i initially thought

[fallen hedge]

Yeah the difference is just too big, I'm going from balanced dlss cinematic 138fps to performance dlss cinematic with RR 74 fps

Literally cutting down my fps in half even when going down in quality mode

[flint moss]

Yeah using dlss 4.5 at least. I gave up on RR anyway, too expensive

[soft timber]

It is and it genuinely has me considering just not using ray reconstruction. At least for now.

[ocean onyx]

holy shit you guys were not exaggerating about the sharpening

what the fuck is this garbage

[fallen hedge]

Yeah I just updated my drivers, if it's the same I just won't use RR

Even on a 5090 it's just not worth it to me

[soft timber]

I wonder if the ultra+ guys will make a mod for this game.

[flint moss]

Here's hoping 🙏

But forge said something about them needing access to the code or something, seems complicated

[hidden niche]

is the HDR good or nah ?

[velvet cliff]

ray regeneration has a even bigger cost and looks like crap if what would comfort you

[foggy cove]

nah

[soft timber]

I mean definitely looks better than the default denoiser for sure

[hidden niche]

SDR it is then

[modest hatch]

I’ll use dlss q with it RR to see if RR is worth it or not

Cinematic settings aren’t that intensive tbh

Just the RR

[ocean onyx]

flicking it on and off and honestly i don't know how anyone can tell the difference in quality between anything with this fuck ass sharpening

[low crane]

So where is the config file?

[ocean onyx]

grass is just vomit even at 4k native

[thick hull]

had to turn it off cuz of some weird black shadowy artifacts on every character in hernand

[velvet cliff]

it's a mmo engine so they probably hid it deep inside of some file

[faint bobcat]

all .xml

no there isnt a magically LOD / draw distance engoodening setting

[fallen hedge]

don't even bother

[low crane]

can the sharpness and CA be tuned down?=!

[faint bobcat]

no

[fallen hedge]

this is on a 5090 lmao

[faint bobcat]

until we add the option via reno

[fallen hedge]

You need dlss performance to make this even playable

With RR

[worldly frost]

Imagine an rr 4.5 preset

[frosty fulcrum]

I've noticed some effects like fire look very bad with DLSS looks fine on FSR or native

[worldly frost]

The performance tank would be ridiculous

[foggy cove]

man tap a to run is so fucking annoying what is this gta

even gta has a hold to run that's slower

[karmic void]

240k cuncurrent now

[jade spruce]

This game truly is the most unsurprising thing for us PA connoisseurs.

[faint bobcat]

They just don't know

This is an AVG Tuesday

[modest hatch]

Ok why is my game locked to 30 fps this is annoying , I tried turning v sync on and off but still

[novel jay]

You can tap a once to do a light jog

[sleek veldt]

Is the ingame HDR any good?

[sly swift]

30 fps with DLAA 4.5 and RR

[sleek veldt]

Should I use it?

[jade spruce]

Now they can enjoy peak K-slop

[jade spruce]

That's not how this works

[crystal siren]

dam

[jade spruce]

DLSS 4.5 is models M and L, There are no Transformer 2 models for RR.

[foggy cove]

no changing shortcuts with controller

[sly swift]

o

[jade spruce]

So you're actually using DLAA 4.0

[faint bobcat]

Good controlleroids deserve to get filter

[soft timber]

I mean despite the issues I would say the difference is pretty huge

[sly swift]

today i learned

[faint bobcat]

Can't wait for people to think they're using DLSS 4.5 because the menu says so

Alongside RR

[ocean onyx]

no i know i'm just complaining about this sharpening

[jade flame]

DLSS appears to be broken on 50 series cards.
How did this get past reviewers??

[jade spruce]

I mean, that's exactly what happened at the launch of 4.5

[ocean onyx]

because hooooooooooooly shit

[sly swift]

bro im a noob :(
learning though

[ocean onyx]

who did this in the dev room

how did it get allowed for release

[faint bobcat]

That's every game

They all do it

[low crane]

Ok, so when i turn on FSR frame gen, the image seem to correct itself, and its no longer oversharpned. WFTF

[ocean onyx]

i haven't seen a game sharpening half as bad as this before personally

[faint bobcat]

E33

Lords of the fallen

Any UE5 slop

[ocean onyx]

e33 was less immediately vomit inducing from the moments i spent with it

as was all of the ue5 slop i've played

this is like next level bad

[jade spruce]

LOTF sharpening was something else

[ashen pawn]

am i buggin or does klyff attack really slow w his light combo

doesnt even come out w the input half of the time

[sly swift]

If I use 4.5 L, do I change res. to ultra performance? or does it do it automatically as well

[jade spruce]

You can use any quality setting

But you can't use RR

RR will fallback to the old blurry model

[sly swift]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

okay okay now i get it

thats why people were talking about RR and 4.5 for re9

[jade spruce]

This is why am waiting for novideo to release RR 4.5

Before playing any RT/PT games

[sleek veldt]

They aren't

They are doing DLSS5

to rework lighting for RT/PT

[jade spruce]

Conjecture

You have no evidence that both can't happen

[tardy ibex]

You guys know what causes the effects to be soo jagged? I'm playing 4k dlaa

[sleek veldt]

IT will be RR5

[jade spruce]

Who says nvidia can't release the trashformer 2 model for RR and also do DLSS 5?

[faint bobcat]

Me

(Jensen told me)

[sly swift]

why did they preset me on cinematic no matter my fps was crazy

[faint bobcat]

Nsight GPU capture crashes

Meanwhile all the others woek

Time to test PIX

Denuvo cockblocking me

[abstract hawk]

Peak brightness slider doesn't respect the value, the game goes above that easily.

[rough cliff]

does anyone else get a black screen for a few seconds when pausing the game

[mortal wolf]

.

[abstract hawk]

During cutscene? Yeah

And then stupid ass game makes you press and hold the button to come out of it.

It's obnoxious.

[jade flame]

I get black bars during cutscenes and random moments.
DLSS is broken in the game atm

[abstract hawk]

It's only a shitshow to be seen here.

[ocean onyx]

hey yeah what the fuck?

it's still obviously oversharpened, but it's much better with fsr fg

[low crane]

FG ON / FG OFF. It changes the image. Frame gen on looks more correct in terms of sharpness

[ocean onyx]

i do not understand

slop game

slop devs

[abstract hawk]

Pretty game, though.

[rough cliff]

fdor me it happens whenever i pause the game or alt tab, even outside of cutscenes

[sly swift]

thank goodness for FG

[abstract hawk]

Negative, not happening here.

And yes, thank God for FG. Can do maxed out DLSS Q with FG 2x at ~100fps.

[sly swift]

when I run DLAA I have random black bar flickering at the very top

[abstract hawk]

Aight, seen what I wanted to see. Lots of potential in the game, and should be mad fun.

... when I play 5 years down the road.

Forge can fix the visuals by then, too.

[jade flame]

Yeah. You'll get it in cutscenes too.
Turn off DLSS until they fix it.

[sly swift]

im assuming DLSS Q is dlss quality?

[jade flame]

Should be

[abstract hawk]

Yes

[sly swift]

it's just DLAA at the moment which I think I'll be running quality instead

[abstract hawk]

DLAA was too heavy.

[jade flame]

You do you. Many find it too blurry but it's subjective. Give it a try.

[abstract hawk]

Even DLSS Q is heavy, but apparently balanced/performance has muddy texture issue as well, so.

[jade flame]

I tried to do 99% DLAA but I still had the issue.

[abstract hawk]

I can tweak my OC and get a lil more perf but can't be arsed, fine with this.

[sly swift]

are y'all doing 4.5 or 4.0

[abstract hawk]

4.5 L

Crrrrrrrrrrazy pop-ins, too.

[frosty fulcrum]

4.0 Quality

Lots of cool events though just exploring

[sly swift]

is this death stranding without a story

bad joke

[modest hatch]

Same

[sly swift]

my game instantly crashed as soon as i said this

[frosty fulcrum]

This games controls feel like a more clunky Witcher 3

[thick hull]

Anyone tried preset E with RR on?

[grim pewter]

the last week has basically made me lose all faith in digital foundry

zero credibility anymore

[modest hatch]

Oh my God

[grim pewter]

they hyped this up as the most technically impressive game of the decade and said it runs like a dream on all hardware

[modest hatch]

How do I turn off this 30 fps lock

[grim pewter]

turns out almost everything is broken down to dlss working at all

at this point i think they are either dishonest or incompetent

[jade flame]

I mean. HUB did multiple videos on the PC version too and never reported an issue. So it may have broke with the day-1 patch. idk

[lapis smelt]

Dont forget outlets reporting left and right how well the game ran

[soft timber]

I mean it seems like it does. Especially without RR or AMDs equivalent. If I turn of ray reconstruction at cinematic settings I'm well into the hundreds of fps

[modest hatch]

Besides RR it’s well optimized

Problem is that RR fixes a lot of the terrible lighting in the game

Like absolutely awful lighting

[lapis smelt]

I never heard any other implementation of RR being this dramatic of a change

[soft timber]

From what I've seen it's because the default denoiser is just so weak/light

[potent spear]

Exterior lighting looks generally fine without RR

but interior is awful

[sly swift]

DLAA fg 4x w/ RR on and all cinematic/max I'm getting about 90fps

[grim pewter]

wdym by dlaa 4x

[lapis smelt]

What is DLAA 4x?!

[jade spruce]

The pop in that was promised

[grim pewter]

4x fg?

[faint bobcat]

fellas I have debugged

[sly swift]

sorry

fg 4x

[faint bobcat]

10.7ms for raytracing with RR for GI

[grim pewter]

gotcha

[jade flame]

They optimized for better performance which means that they use less points of light for RT. The cost is more noise.

[jade spruce]

Expensive

[grim pewter]

wait you are saying rr alone costs 10ms????

[faint bobcat]

no

I am saying GI with RR is 10.7ms

[potent spear]

RR does force max lighting settings as well

[grim pewter]

gotcha

what is it without?

[faint bobcat]

dunno

[jade spruce]

Rr alone probably costs like 2-3ms

[faint bobcat]

need to test

[grim pewter]

noice

[abstract hawk]

Game has pretty mad potential, honestly.

But good thing I am in no rush to play, gonna let it cook with mods, and maybe even devs themselves. If they don't abandon it, I can see some rehaul patches down the road.

[sly swift]

i feel like RR does pretty much fix the game for the most part lol

[abstract hawk]

Some of the stuff is just totally dumb AF in it, which mods should fix it.

Especially tone down the fucking windy physics of random ass trees

That shit is dumb AF

[sly swift]

100% speed type shit

[abstract hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1478682998684516506/1484347980097261668/IMG_8816.mov?ex=69bde648&is=69bc94c8&hm=fa940590224d4ec9fc305ef5fc16977aa5ca5a162fefc2154c65ab6a3acc0dd7&

This is the 'tame' version of those trees.

[jade spruce]

There's a reason why forge locked in to instantly start fixing shaders before the launch

[abstract hawk]

It goes 10x more cuckoo.

[grim pewter]

yeah thats a bit much

[abstract hawk]

It gets worse during actual windy season or w/e, lol.

[grim pewter]

love to see what it would look like in a storm

just a tree rave

[abstract hawk]

This is the 'normal' one.

It's exactly that, yes

[grim pewter]

lmao

[abstract hawk]

Which also makes shadows stupid

[jade spruce]

Witcher 3 ahh tree physics

[abstract hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1478682998684516506/1484340731706343584/IMG_8815.mov?ex=69bddf88&is=69bc8e08&hm=df1c6b6c8ce8bb29bf62d95b636ed6116158b4ac34ea993c2e3da7c3807fa312&

Look at the shadows there.

It becomes like a shimmer effect essentially.

[grim pewter]

eesh

[faint bobcat]

shit shadowmap

welcome to raster

[abstract hawk]

Well, it's mimicing the tree behaviour, so it's more than just shit shadowmap, but yeah.

Game has mad potential to me a good-time RPG, though.

So, get to work.

Chop, chop.

[faint bobcat]

waitingTM for shortfuse decomp fix

I am debugging game pipeline in the meanwhile

[lament nymph]

... I'm just waiting for the hdr fix, this looks so wrong

[abstract hawk]

I thought he did it, and shared earlier.

[faint bobcat]

deboooooger time

21ms is kinda slop

lets see where the cost is going

well half is going towards raygen

[covert shuttle]

keta_bruhcat

[faint bobcat]

oh no

they use VRS

[ashen pawn]

im going back to rdr 2

[faint bobcat]

[grim pewter]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

if there is one technique that i have seen that ALWAYS looks dogshit

its vrs

[lament nymph]

VRS? really?

why

[grim pewter]

i swear to god its in death stranding 2 as well

game looks so fucking weird

[jade flame]

Is VRS forced? I dont see it in settings.

[faint bobcat]

special sauce optimsation

[faint bobcat]

correct

they use it in their shaders

checking which ones exactly

[sly swift]

anyone else playing with korean v/o? i think i prefer it over the english

[grim pewter]

so its not like "global" (not sure if thats the right word) vrs that ive seen in other games? only some effects use it?

[lament nymph]

... i go inside the blacksmith and his eyes go crazy with artifacts

[modest hatch]

I noticed

[lament nymph]

I was pretty sure this game is not gonna look like they advertise but not this bad

RR is a must on for this shit to work properly, less artifacts too

[grim pewter]

to be fair this is consistent with what they were advertising

[lament nymph]

🤷‍♀️

[rotund raptor]

game looks like complete ass without RR

[lapis smelt]

Is there any game that looks good with 4x fg?

Also first game i saw that has a hdr10+ toggle

[grim pewter]

its never ideal but honestly with the newer transformer models 4x is pretty good

i end up using 3x a lot on more intensive games

looks fantastic

when i have to switch to 4 it does feel a bit worse in terms of smoothness with my inputs but the visuals still look appealing

[abstract hawk]

Stability wise?

DOOM The Dark Ages ironically handles it very well.

Of course, you can feel the delay there, first-person and all.

But it's pretty stable from what I recall.

[lapis smelt]

Makes sense

[abstract hawk]

I only did small test, didn't play it like that.

[forest path]

sounds to me like optimized no taa trash

[novel kayak]

How’s native HDR looking fellas?

[lament nymph]

bad

[molten kiln]

Isn't 90fps with fgx4 really bad ? That's like 22-23 base fps

[forest path]

optmized game, unreal engine in shambles, no TAA reliance

[abstract hawk]

But that game has killer good FG overall, though. Like x2 literally feels like native pretty much, which was extremely surprising to me, expected to hate it there as DOOM is ADHD game for me.

[sly swift]

yeah lol

[covert shuttle]

and it prolly costs like 20fps to create the frames in the first place, lose 20fps to create 60 new ones

[novel kayak]

Woof buncha complainers in here man damn 😂 the game looked good in all the coverage of it that I saw

[rotund raptor]

Get on the actual game and youll change ur mind

[foggy cove]

damn this why the game doesn't look very clear even on native?

vrs is resolution scaling right?

[faint bobcat]

one out of the thousand blades yes

[molten kiln]

I am going to play in a few hours, hope it runs well on my humble 4060

[faint bobcat]

no

VRS is dynamically lowering resolution and shading quality

of various shaders

[sly swift]

i am gonig to treat this game like lords of the fallen

[faint bobcat]

you're not touching screen res with VRS

its not like upscaling

you are instead adjusting shaders

but VRS has a tendency to destory shader quality

[rotund raptor]

anybody with a 4070ti? how are you running with RR?

[novel kayak]

Seeing project Hail Mary first. But I’m playing at max on a 5090 so I can’t imagine it’s not gonna look awesome

[rotund raptor]

Well duh youre on a 5090

[faint bobcat]

so if theyre using it across a billion shaders for 'optimsation'

your whole screen is now garbage

[foggy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-gif-3239499918304579127

[dusty valve]

but the ui is rendered at 4k

and the edges of all the models

nothing else is lmao

[ocean onyx]

starting to seem more and more like this game is running like garbage actually and no one bothered to just fucking look at it

this game looks like fucking dogshit

[lament nymph]

I settle with dlss performance on forced driver preset L, turn on RR, now this looks alright

[faint bobcat]

The game is getting fukked by death by a million cuts

We need to remove all the post processing assery

then fix HDR

then fix VRS abuse

maybe fix shader perf being expesnive (I dunno how feasible this is for me)

[sly swift]

what popularized this game anyways? was it the imagery?

[faint bobcat]

yes

[ocean onyx]

bdo

[dusty valve]

It's just the stuff people have seen of it so far makes it seem fake

but then there is more footage and its the same

and there is just lots of everything whenever I see footage of it

[ocean onyx]

dlss5 generate me an open world action rpg

[sly swift]

at the moment it feels like a generic single player ~~ what people make it seem like, a tech demo ~~ to me

[broken dirge]

I still think the music slaps

[sly swift]

the combat is so weird for me but that can also be attributed to fg maybe

[worn ibex]

There is perf?

*VRS

I meant VRS

[faint bobcat]

forced

in the shaders

[ocean onyx]

not in the settings but apparently used in fuck tons of shaders it sounds like

[dusty valve]

This isnt the first game with VRS that isnt user adjustable

[sleek veldt]

Seems like they fixed rain

With RR

[jade flame]

Am happy.
Since DLAA is broken I figured I'd use DLSS Q.
Which means I might as well use RR. XD

[worn ibex]

So the consensus is that it looks like shit, plays like shit and has a dogshit beginning and doesn’t explain its mechanics well?

[ocean onyx]

yes

[lament nymph]

better looking than wilds

[jade flame]

Looks, plays and runs fine here. (Minus broken DLAA)
shrug

[lament nymph]

or kingdom come deliverance 2 ... not shit just need RR

with no RR it looks horrible

but still not quite bad

gameplay tho is horrendous

u can't see what buttons do on controller cause they don't let you change your keybinds

[rotund raptor]

they couldnt even bother to give us dualsense icons

[lament nymph]

font is tiny and no setting for that, nothing extensive besides graphics settings and even then they forced stuffs like VRS

[lapis smelt]

Wilds is by FAR the worst performing and looking game I have ever played. That game has no fucking business runing that badly. They must render the entire game world at once or some bullshit like that.

[snow steeple]

I have Dualsense icons. Disable steam input and use it wired.

[rotund raptor]

i did

[ocean onyx]

i'm using it wireless and have dualsense glyphs

[jade flame]

I have them too

[ocean onyx]

but sometimes it freaks out and switches to xbox glyphs

[snow steeple]

Well I’m running DSX too

The chromatic aberration is the only thing I wish I could turn off

[modest hatch]

5080 users, how many fps are you getting and what settings?

[rotund raptor]

theres already a mfg 4x mod out

[lament nymph]

I just want to turn down this vomit inducing contrast, needs someone to fix the color grading of this game quick

[sly swift]

i never really saw anything regarding the game but it looks fine, but that's with a 5090. it plays okay, it's a bit of adapting i'd say. i think it's quite generic though as it fails to have a vision since it definitely tries to incorporate elements from numerous games. offline mmorpg type shit, an offline prequel to bdo

[snow steeple]

The contrast and sharpness reminds me of the Witcher 3 back in the day during early patches

[low crane]

In-game vsync causing camera pan stutter

[sly swift]

if u go in thinking like ubisoft games i think you will be ok.
if u go in thinking like rdr2 / elden ring / witcher type games then you probably wont like it

[ocean onyx]

also needs more motion blur

[lament nymph]

if you come in expect the game control scheme is fine with controller ... no x.x it's not

[snow steeple]

It feels like the Witcher 3 and DD2 with some new Zelda

[wheat elk]

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[broken dirge]

reply

[lapis smelt]

The controls for this game are WILD

They are not bad imho just very different from the norm

[ocean onyx]

super unintuitive

[lament nymph]

if ur playing on controller

[abstract hawk]

1000+ motion blur.

That way everything is a blur.

So, you don't have to deal with the game.

[lament nymph]

try to go into the map, just the joystick to move around to fine pinpoint any area

[lapis smelt]

DLSS5 level motion blur

[lament nymph]

x.x u will see what I mean

[lapis smelt]

transforms it in dragons dogma 3

[ocean onyx]

that would be ideal

[abstract hawk]

Watching these videos of RR with no RR

or RT with no RT

It's like literally a diff game being played.

Haven't seen this kinda discrepancy since ... idk, 15 years?

We've chatted so many times about how going from 'low' to 'ultra' has very little change relatively than we used to back in the day, where each tier made a meaningful diff.

[covert shuttle]

I love getting 55fps on low and 45 on ultra

[abstract hawk]

This is literally going back to that level.

[covert shuttle]

and 20fps with RR

[abstract hawk]

lmao

HUB said it was a very optimized game doe.

[faint bobcat]

it is if you make it look like a 2015 game

[full quarry]

when the bar is ue5 and it’s on the floor lmao

[ocean onyx]

very optimized (renders all things on screen at 10% resolution)

[abstract hawk]

Also, RR helps a fuck ton but it still doesn't stop the game from looking flat AF at times. That AO issue is present even then.

In some videos I thought RR was fixing it.

Playing it, I can see that's not the case universally.

[modest hatch]

Bruh I played with the v sync settings on Nvidia control panel and now my fps is down by like 20% how to fix this

[abstract hawk]

But tbh, I expected all this jank, so.

[abstract hawk]

lmao

wdym

[modest hatch]

Put v sync off because it was locking my game to 30 fps

And then

FPS went down

[abstract hawk]

My game's black bar was being really wonky with V-Sync off in-game, so I enabled it there.

NVCP always has it on from me, so never changed that.

[full quarry]

is it still eurojank if it’s made by a Korean studio

[abstract hawk]

oh nvm, my NVCP setting changed to use 3D setting.

[modest hatch]

This guy gets 80 fps I get sub 65

I have the exact same settings as well

Can anyone help with this

[lament nymph]

well the answer is ... you aren't him

[modest hatch]

I have the same gpu brudda

• 9800x3d

[abstract hawk]

What about the stats

Is your GPU going 100%?

CPU being utilized decently as well?

[modest hatch]

It’s like 98%. Percent

[abstract hawk]

What about the wattage.

[modest hatch]

CPU is same

[abstract hawk]

Does it match or close to the one in the video?

[modest hatch]

Didn’t put wattage in Msi afterburner

Should check

[abstract hawk]

Yeah, do that.

[modest hatch]

Btw my fps was fine before

Idk what but something to do with the v sync changed it

[final imp]

Game is so cool

[modest hatch]

Pc can be so damn tedious at times

It’s annoying

[abstract hawk]

PC Gaming™ moment.

[modest hatch]

Even restored Nvidia control panel to default settings

Still no fix

[low crane]

This game looks amazing and shitty at the same time. Its messing with me

[modest hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[modest hatch]

Same

[faint bobcat]

are you in the exact same scene

[modest hatch]

Literally in this exact same area with the exact same settings I was getting 60-65 fps

[faint bobcat]

watch another vid and compare

their results might be fake

or wrong

or incorrect

[modest hatch]

This is Geralt benchmarks

[faint bobcat]

whooo???

Dunno

[modest hatch]

Ok I’ll check someone else

[fleet jacinth]

geralt himself dude

[broken dirge]

the witcher

[faint bobcat]

shiiiit

[broken dirge]

stopped witching and started benchmarking

[ocean onyx]

is this with or without RR?

[broken dirge]

didnt u know

[ocean onyx]

bit low for no RR innit

[modest hatch]

Without

Dude this suddenly happened when I messed with V sync

On Nvidia control panel

Restored to default same issue still there

I changed v sync because it was locking my game to 30 fps

[ocean onyx]

might be connecting dots that aren't there

[modest hatch]

It was annoying

[modest hatch]

Idk man

Worst part is that I can’t find the issue

Might just do a DDU wipe

Had a similar performance issue with rdr 2

Same fps loss

DDU wipe fixed it

I don’t exactly know what’s causing this

[lament nymph]

... they don't even have an option to let your minimap be fixed direction

holy crap

[fleet jacinth]

thats rough

[jade flame]

I'm not gonna play this until they fix DLAA.
DLSS looks blurry as fuck for some reason.

[fleet jacinth]

first time devs who never played a game before, give them a break

[lucid shoal]

If Steve is the one that said that then I automatically know not to take it seriously

[fleet jacinth]

they just say stuff for views, all youtubers do

the curse of ads

[abstract hawk]

He showed 'figures'.

Figures that do not match with anyone playing the game, I guess.

[lucid shoal]

He thinks KCD2 is optimised as well

[abstract hawk]

They also showed 4070 being better than 5070.

[lament nymph]

HUB figures are always mostly unreliable, those guys are a joke

[abstract hawk]

Or was it 4060 vs 5060? I forget.

[ocean onyx]

it was 4060 vs 5070

[sudden pulsar]

Which… it is?

[lament nymph]

no, KCD2 looking like it is and runs like it is

is not well optimization

[lucid shoal]

I think it runs as it should

[lament nymph]

it's barely looking better than the 1st game

which was not great looking

[sudden pulsar]

lol ok

[lucid shoal]

But it's not like you can get a lot more out of it

[abstract hawk]

I literally never go to them for looking at game figures, honestly. Only when new chips are out, for that they've had okay results, but also plenty of dodgy videos.

Where it gets to a point that I don't really bother much anymore, GN is overall decent with figures, and then there's countless others as well.

[lucid shoal]

Maybe I just expect too much but I like more scalability

[abstract hawk]

4060 was performing better than 5070?

It surely was a mislabel then?

[ocean onyx]

who knows

[lament nymph]

I have motion sickness already, gonna have to rest till they have more customization options added like a modern game

[ocean onyx]

game needs a rework

back to the labs with them

[lament nymph]

in my entire modern gaming history, never seen a open world game that doesn't let you fix the minimap in a fixed direction

[broken dirge]

skill issue ngl

[abstract hawk]

If they don't abandon it, I expect a major overhaul patch down the road.

[lucid shoal]

I stopped using GN because when I watched them they were so far behind game wise that I didn't consider them useful

[ocean onyx]

yeah in 2 years this is gonna be a completely different game

[lament nymph]

what if it gets worse

[ocean onyx]

i didn't say it would be better

[lament nymph]

[ocean onyx]

just that it would be different

[ruby crown]

seems like 2x frame gen numbers if he's on a 5080?

[lucid shoal]

I only remember this
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1406053777257136149/1483973370759352330/Screenshot_20260319_004013_YouTube.jpg

[abstract hawk]

Whether it's modders doing, or devs. Or both.

Ideally I'd hope for both, really.

[abstract hawk]

It's pretty bad, but I can give them a pass for something like this. Definitely unacceptable, though.

[sudden pulsar]

This gen has put new minimum expectations when it comes to how a CPU is used, and what it means hardware wise. You cannot infinitely scale down, especially when it comes to these big open world games, there is going to be a certain fixed cost to pay no matter the hardware.

[abstract hawk]

Cause here the difference was so stark you could call BS on it, but how many other mistakes do they make where we can't tell? Kinda raises questions like that.

Thus, erodes the reliability aspect of their brand.

[lucid shoal]

I honestly was only thinking about the GPU when I mentioned it

[ruby crown]

5090 gets about 60 fps here with 4k cinematic dlss quality and no frame gen lol

[rustic urchin]

Hows the hdr in this game? worth using?

[lucid shoal]

CPU wise I just don't have enough knowledge to even from an opinion on

[lapis smelt]

Game has 250k ccu, this is an insane success for them

[sudden pulsar]

And the GPU is going to be limited to what the CPU has to deal with, at the end of the day

[ocean onyx]

essentially just autohdr

[lapis smelt]

Unless they are operating at like an mmo budget

[rustic urchin]

damm thx

[sudden pulsar]

The CPU and GPU are never fully running asynchronously

[lucid shoal]

Maybe my bias against SSR is showing regarding KCD2

[abstract hawk]

It's essentially the most anticipated game of the year, that was never in question. Just depends on their priorities, if they care to.

I'd like to think they would.

[sudden pulsar]

SSR? Why this out of nowhere lol

[lucid shoal]

Feels like that game has enough performance to use RT to solve that issue for the higher end cards

[abstract hawk]

This is why Fortnite is superior.

Simpler gaming.

[lapis smelt]

They couls support it for a long time, game is already a massive sandbox

[ocean onyx]

agreed, much better game to spend your time with than this

[abstract hawk]

You're misunderstanding me, I am not questioning whether they can or cannot, I am saying I hope they do is all.

[lucid shoal]

You can join HUB Steve then

[abstract hawk]

Write an angry letter to Lisa.

What kinda sick joke is this.

[ocean onyx]

i should. she made me look at this fucking sharpening

[abstract hawk]

"You got me excited for THIS?!"

[modest hatch]

This is dlss q without FG.

[modest hatch]

RR on or not ?

@ruby crown RR isn’t on for me or him btw

[ruby crown]

Ohhh, RR is on

[modest hatch]

This sucks

[foggy cove]

man how do i open the weapon wheel again

[ocean onyx]

L1

and then Left on dpad

[foggy cove]

i did it to switch to the lantern but now it just shine the light everything i press lb

[ocean onyx]

controls are weird as fuck

[worn ibex]

Why are people talking about an overhaul?

[ruby crown]

I get 95-100 there with RR off. 85 still seems a bit high for a 5080 ...

[frosty fulcrum]

is the water supposed to look like that

[ocean onyx]

game is bad

[modest hatch]

Dlss quality or native

[abstract hawk]

Water is very funky looking, diff angles will show it differently, and in motion it also breaks sometimes.

It's weird.

[frosty fulcrum]

looks like a N64 game at times

[rose jewel]

guys did u find any option to disable this ugly ass chromatic aberration?

[ocean onyx]

no

will need shader modification

wait for the mod to come out

[modest hatch]

Lord this game runs so weird

Never had a game randomly look me at 30 fps just because I don’t have frame gen

[ruby crown]

Quality. DLAA drops to 60-63

[rose jewel]

is the day one patch already out

[cerulean geyser]

yes

[rose jewel]

i heard it might fix many things

[ocean onyx]

yes

[modest hatch]

Weird . This is hardware unboxed

[sudden pulsar]

Straight up NES, even

[wheat elk]

possibly even atari

[ruby crown]

where was he benchmarking?

I've also had the game running for like 3 hours

it's possible it goes up after restarting

[foggy cove]

i don't see patch

well i do but it's not updating

[ocean onyx]

there was one 3 hours ago

is there another or is that what you're referring to

[foggy cove]

idk i never installed a patch maybe i already have it

or did it in the background

[ocean onyx]

yeah it probably updated in the background

[faint bobcat]

@sudden pulsar whats that effect called in rl. You see it on fur especially for dogs

it looks like this

this isnt CA caused

its just that effect

done really badly

[lapis smelt]

if you had it preloaded I think it downloads alongside decryption, mine took a while, so probably downloading day1 patch

[low crane]

This game is def for the future gpus, ahed of its time. The game shines at Native, high res, 4k minimum,

[modest hatch]

I’m doing a DDU wipe

[lapis smelt]

Moiree patterns?

[faint bobcat]

no

[sudden pulsar]

It looks like a thin film iridescence

[faint bobcat]

I was looking at a paper for it

but I forgot

[modest hatch]

WHY DOES MY PC LOOK LOKE THIS AFTER A DDU WIPE BRUH

[faint bobcat]

yh, I will try to find the paper again

[wheat elk]

it does the thing were the leaves and the grass are the same color
why do so many games do this.... looks so bad

[sudden pulsar]

But… you are not supposed to see that on hair or even fur, unless it’s covered by something like oil or whatever lol

[lapis smelt]

Dlss5, restore windows

[modest hatch]

What ?

[cobalt sorrel]

For anyone using FSR FG, does the driver show the ML FG upgrade is inactive on latest driver? Not sure if it's just a visual adrenalin bug

[lapis smelt]

Im kidding, telling you to prompt dlss5 to restore your windows display

[modest hatch]

Bruh I need help

[lapis smelt]

Have you restarted windows?

[modest hatch]

Bro why does windows have to be so damn annoying

[lapis smelt]

After DDU?

[modest hatch]

I did clean and restart

[lapis smelt]

If you can see a browser page, just go and install your drivers

Whats your OS and GPU?

[modest hatch]

Nvidia

Windows

I’m downloading the app rn

[undone mica]

Yeah I got used to it but spam A to run will always be trash

[lapis smelt]

App will sort this out, just install the driver when asked to

[lapis smelt]

controls were legit made by an alien lifeform with at least 2 extra limbs

[sudden pulsar]

It’s hilarious looking tbh lol

[faint bobcat]

I cant find the paper

[sudden pulsar]

No idea what they went for

[faint bobcat]

but its exactly that thing

just done really badly

its not CA

[ruby crown]

mmo developers

[modest hatch]

For real

It’s so weird

It’s like I wanna play it

But it’s so sluggish

My main complaint so far is performance and controls other than that game looks fun

[sudden pulsar]

It’s definitely not

[foggy cove]

mhwilds type gi

[lapis smelt]

iridescence? Light scattering?

[rustic urchin]

movement feels like im on 500 ping in a single player game

[sudden pulsar]

It’s either a thin film iridescence, or an equally hilarious take on light dispersion

[lapis smelt]

I head of thin film interference

Not sure if its this

heard*

[sudden pulsar]

In any case, you never have such an effect on hair or fur alone

[faint bobcat]

yes you doooo bro

on fur

dog fur

[sudden pulsar]

Nope

[faint bobcat]

especially if the dog is black

fella

I will find the paper

[lapis smelt]

Fuck I know what you mean

[faint bobcat]

and you see this phenomaman

[sudden pulsar]

Careful when you say fur, do you mean the actual curve strand alone, or including what it might be covered of, like oil? 🙂

[faint bobcat]

oh right

I should specific

[sudden pulsar]

Yes B

[lapis smelt]

structural coloration? That shit that produces colors due to different materials?

Instead of pigments

[faint bobcat]

the very end of the strands when under light

it produces this thin iridescence like look

I've seen it on black dog fur

[lapis smelt]

Fresnel reflection? (im asking gpt at this point)

[faint bobcat]

bro let me just send the pic to grok

[vivid iris]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

black desert had an oil slider

[lapis smelt]

Please do otherwise I wont fucking sleep today

[sudden pulsar]

A hair strand, and same for a fur strand (which is not the same structurally, they have a much larger medulla core) alone should not produce such an effect, at least

[lapis smelt]

I hate not knowing this shit lmao

[sudden pulsar]

[ocean onyx]

what level of goonery is this

[lapis smelt]

Gooning Slider

[sudden pulsar]

Aaah I remember, actually

You can have your beetch be in a permanent oily state

And yes, it’s the highest of goonery

[abstract hawk]

Some Diddy level shit.

[lapis smelt]

Theres also anisotropic specular highlights that happen on hair

[abstract hawk]

No wonder Josh was 'excited' for this game.

[abstract hawk]

[sudden pulsar]

That just controls the direction of the specular

[modest hatch]

@lapis smelt I downloaded Nvidia app and drivers are downloading but it still looks like this, will it be fixed after drivers are downloaded ?

[merry sonnet]

Mad need RenoDX cuz the game just aint it in HDR RN

[lapis smelt]

Should be after a restart yeah

[sudden pulsar]

It’s what gives hair its peculiar look as light is reflected on it

[lapis smelt]

that makes sense, also its not at the edges as forge said

[nova cargo]

does the game have dualsense haptics or adaptive triggers

[lapis smelt]

Think so

[low crane]

Ayo when can we expect reno?

[low crane]

Nope

[lapis smelt]

after we find out what the hell is the effect forge is looking for

[nova cargo]

does it have decent vibration

[lapis smelt]

not a moment before

[foggy cove]

i saw adaptive triggers in the settings

[vivid iris]

none of our tools can correctly decompile some of the shaders we need yet, so it'll be a bit

[lapis smelt]

I have a gulikit Kk3 and it was pretty good

[sudden pulsar]

🐐

[modest hatch]

How long most likely

[vivid iris]

literally can't answer it

[sudden pulsar]

It’s been less than 24h, let them cook lol

[modest hatch]

Alr

[faint bobcat]

every time it gets asked, 1 month gets added on top

[ocean onyx]

how long

[faint bobcat]

about tree fiddy

[modest hatch]

Just wanted to know how long it would take, I’m aware it won’t come tomorrow

[ocean onyx]

how long

[vivid iris]

it's all good no worries lol

[ocean onyx]

how many months are we at rn

[faint bobcat]

tree diddy

[ocean onyx]

how long

[modest hatch]

Innit

[merry sonnet]

4K Right now getting 120fps on RTX 5070TI. Game looks fine ( pop ins are SO BAD ) HDR is poo poo. Ray reconstruction is ight but tanks FPS really bad

[modest hatch]

Ultra or cinematic

[merry sonnet]

CINEMATIC

[low crane]

https://klipy.com/gifs/soccer-dissapointed

[modest hatch]

Dlss p ?

Frame gen ?

[lament nymph]

... now I have to learn fictional poker

[modest hatch]

I don’t bother with this stuff in games

Even in rdr 2

Idc

[merry sonnet]

DLSS 4.5 and FRAME GEN x2 with Ray reconstruction

[lament nymph]

I just bet 1500 money on this it's my entire lifeline

[ocean onyx]

the whole appeal of this game is that type of stuff

[modest hatch]

Never tried to get good at Gwent in rdr 2 for example

[lament nymph]

gwent is fun tho

once u get ur deck going it's fun

[modest hatch]

Im into that stuff just not board games specifically you get me

There was an arm wrestle that I enjoyed tbh

[lament nymph]

if this game has monopoly built into it I'm playing that shit forever

[worn ibex]

When is Reno coming

When is Reno coming

When is Reno coming

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

[vivid iris]

when we hit our donation goal of 1 mil

[worn ibex]

You can thank me for the delays folks

[faint bobcat]

already lost our spots

[vivid iris]

wouldn't be day 1 on nexus without michael scott

[full quarry]

fsr3.1 just destroys visual quality, huh

AA looking noisier than with it off is a new one lmao

[merry sonnet]

Game is still dark on my OLED...need that RenoDX ASAP

[faint bobcat]

**FSR 3 just destroys **

yes

[faint bobcat]

lemme ship myself over to Korean and bully Pearl into giving us source code

[full quarry]

i mean, true, but normally i can throw it on quality and squint away the artifacts lmao

[sudden pulsar]

@faint bobcat If you ever want a deeper dive into the magic of high end fur rendering

https://blog.selfshadow.com/publications/s2020-shading-course/mpc/s2020_pbs_mpc_slides.pdf

[vivid iris]

people that want sliders mostly could always just play with reshade fx. advancedautohdr has a shadow slider iirc

[sudden pulsar]

It summarizes what we did for Lion King and its dedicated 1-2 years of development of fur shading R&D back then

[golden scaffold]

So what is the current consensus? Is the game poopoo sloppa or just HDR being poopoo and needs renooo deeggs?

[sudden pulsar]

Peepepoopoodoodoo

[faint bobcat]

I will continue to use shells

ty very much

[vivid iris]

I guess while we're currently roadblocked I'll find out if I even like the game

[faint bobcat]

[sudden pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-peele-i-said-bitch-i-said-biiitch-i-said-gif-18126684

[faint bobcat]

no

sorry

[elfin hollow]

Don't do that, that's how Endfield got abandoned 😔

[faint bobcat]

I hgave an ever better method

[golden scaffold]

Oh so it's peepepododoo sloppa, damn that's pretty bad

[faint bobcat]

subsurface raymarching

[sudden pulsar]

Weak

DLSS 5, I summon thee

Sloppa me these curves

[faint bobcat]

ANBNNNND MMMMY LIFE IS YUOOOOURS

[golden scaffold]

I took vacation for this

[merry sonnet]

NGL the dialogue is garbo with 0 face expressions

[cobalt sorrel]

Anyone else on 9000 series getting this? This game's supposed to support all the FSR 4 upgrades like ML frame gen

[lament nymph]

this game has no directing, it's all automated cutscenes

just like an MMO

[faint bobcat]

nooo way

a MMO that got turned into a sp

[worn ibex]

Wait what’s the roadblock?

[faint bobcat]

has MMO stuff

[ocean onyx]

not true. maplestory has better cutscenes than this game

[faint bobcat]

[golden scaffold]

And that's the way we like it . Give me more mmo sloppa in my SP games

[faint bobcat]

shader decomp

[golden scaffold]

BDO cutscenes have a certain charm to them. You don't understand

[worn ibex]

Oh

Denuvo?

[faint bobcat]

cant fix shaders if we cant even extract the shaders

[faint bobcat]

worse

slop coding in the .csos

Shortfuse is working on resolving

[golden scaffold]

That sounds like really bad news

[faint bobcat]

well we can edit .asm

[merry sonnet]

LMAO

0 expression all lips

[jade flame]

Anyone else find DLSS (even on Quality) to be blurry?

[lament nymph]

least they got their money back if this is any indication

[faint bobcat]

@sudden pulsar no eyelid shadows

peak slop

[golden scaffold]

Hey, I like the way this sucks. It's exactly like BDO! Oh the nostalgia

[vivid iris]

have fun with that

[faint bobcat]

should I do it?

make a cope mod

[merry sonnet]

no her face barely moving when talking lol

Cinematic preset btw

[vivid iris]

I mean we could easily disable sharpening with just the asm lol

[lament nymph]

I'm about to turn on HDR10+ GAMING to see if it gets any better

[faint bobcat]

itdoesnt

HDR10+ is a cope mode

just like DV

they dont do anything for games

just set metadata for peak

[golden scaffold]

But that's straight up the same as in bdo and that's ok. That's the charm. I'm serious here I really don't mind it at all, this is actually great. It's so funny

[faint bobcat]

Ass Effect Andromeda had a different tonemapper for DV

thats the only game I know with a difference

[worn ibex]

You mean refunds or the devs?

[lament nymph]

the devs

that's high numbers

successful scam if anything

[faint bobcat]

higher than failguard at least

[worn ibex]

It doesn’t even work anymore because nvidia drivers don’t support DV anymore lmao

[worn ibex]

Is veilguard acc good?

[faint bobcat]

[worn ibex]

Damn

[faint bobcat]

good one

really good

[merry sonnet]

Its not that bad no, BUT the POP INS are bad....that needs fixed 100%

[faint bobcat]

at hair rendering

(thats about it)

[golden scaffold]

Mhm just like they fixed it in BDO. 10 years and counting.

[worn ibex]

Forge are you enjoying the game at least

[sudden pulsar]

mfw you think he’s playing it

[lament nymph]

I just lost all my money to that fake poker minigame, closed it as fast as I could, hoping it doesn't auto save

[golden scaffold]

I'm gonna enjoy this for sure. Just waiting for patches and mods

[worn ibex]

Ngl why mod something if you’re not interested 💀

[worn ibex]

We know why kind of mods mate 😛

[lament nymph]

look, I nude mod, that's it

[golden scaffold]

I actually just want the Reno mod

[jade flame]

RR forces Preset D?
No wonder this looks like ass.

[faint bobcat]

starring at an empty VS code and PIX debug log sure

I am not playing the game until I resolve all my biggest issues

[worn ibex]

Ngl I was really looking forward to playing an open world action adventure RPG and since this was a bust, any recs anyone?

[faint bobcat]

Skyrim

for the nth playthrough

[worn ibex]

Not bethesdaslop

[golden scaffold]

Aint no way this is a bust. Consoooooom!!!

[low crane]

hdamn this game looks amazing at 4k native.

[lament nymph]

not really a bust, more like they need to work a lot on the game for QoL stuffs and rough out the rough edges

and we need to fix the graphics

[ocean onyx]

they're washed

need to go back to the stone age

[faint bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[lament nymph]

we as in whoever

[merry sonnet]

Games looks good but feels wonky with pc controls sometimes

[lament nymph]

the game has serious input lag

I keep bumping into ppl

[golden scaffold]

The most important question. Does plasmaguy like it?

[mortal wolf]

i see burnt sienna

[sudden pulsar]

The past few weeks of previews pointed at everything but a “standard” open world game in terms of gameplay loop, let’s be honest

[ocean onyx]

what's weird is the camera feels fine, but everything else feels super delayed

[worn ibex]

Wdym

[lament nymph]

the game doesn't feel great to play rn, the control scheme is pure ass, whoever thinks the select button is used for camera perspective is beyond me

[ocean onyx]

it's like the devs are doing that rdr2 animation delay stuff people complained about, but with no reason for it here

[lament nymph]

usually that's for quick open the map

[golden scaffold]

Controller?

[sudden pulsar]

What I just said. It was not going to be a TES-like game.

Especially with their MMO roots

[ocean onyx]

controller definitely doesn't make much sense

i wouldn't particularly want to play an action rpg like this on kbm normally but it is very clearly made for that

[rose jewel]

half wet is crazy

[sudden pulsar]

Ain’t no way I’ll play from my couch with KB+M lol

[golden scaffold]

That's actually shocking. Well coming from their roots it's not unexpected but these games do play better on a controller. But really why?

[ocean onyx]

it's just kinda bizarre all around, like tapping and holding to sprint, jump and interact being the same button, not everything is contextual and relies on just aiming at interaction points

[ocean onyx]

seemingly random switching between which button is doing which interact prompt

[lament nymph]

I can't even imagine playing a new 2026 game and they don't let you rebind controller ( only keyboard ), they don't even have a screen that tells oyu which button do which, so you dont know what to do

[merry sonnet]

Water looks ass not sure why

[lament nymph]

I had to randomly press every key to know whioch one calls thje horse

[golden scaffold]

Does the combat have a lot of inputs and is dependent on combo keys for moves like BDO did they carry over that as well or is it more typical arpg like?

[lament nymph]

monster hunter had its issues but control scheme is not it and you need to press multiple buttons to do the chain correctly

there's a lot of way for them to do combo effectively on controller idk why this

[mortal wolf]

ran through ai. no burnt sienna

[low crane]

RR on/Off . I recommend turning RR off and run at native 4k instead. Native 4k reduce boiling alot and looks great, with good performance.

[merry sonnet]

wym ran through ai?

I took that pic using sniptool while playing

[golden scaffold]

But can you turn sloptracing entirely off?

[mortal wolf]

i ran it through an ai inpainter (similar to what dlss5 would do)

[merry sonnet]

and what it do?

[mortal wolf]

made the flames yellow, not burnt sienna

[faint bobcat]

DLSS5ified it

[ocean onyx]

yes, breaks GI completely more or less

[mortal wolf]

something's funky about their colors

[golden scaffold]

So is that a bad or a very bad thing 💀

[ocean onyx]

very bad, based on screenshots

[mortal wolf]

this looks weird

[sudden pulsar]

It more or less looks like it was made with RT in mind

[merry sonnet]

DLSS 4.5 Performance with Ray tracing and Ray REC

[sudden pulsar]

Poor Series S without it rofl

[lament nymph]

turn off rr and it's boiling house eve nat native 4k

[jade flame]

I would like to use RR.
But the image clarity of Preset D is just too shitty.

[merry sonnet]

Is L still good?

[jade flame]

It forced D with RR on

[ocean onyx]

L does not exist in RR

the only RR presets are D and E, separate from the other SR presets

[golden scaffold]

This is peak lol

[brittle egret]

so no cope, is the game good?

I didnt buy it, and still got a ton of backlog

steam reviews are mixed

[golden scaffold]

I hear it's somewhere between peepebododoo and poopodoodo

[lament nymph]

good is ... idk, you have to get thru the sloppy controls and weird QoL functions to get to the okay parts

if that's good for you then yea

but it doesn't feel great to play, not even combat is good

[jade flame]

I'm enjoying it.
But it's a real Video Game.
Like, old school RPG with modern graphics.
So it has a bit of jank and not a lot of direction.
That's what I like.

[brittle egret]

like whats it compared to nioh3 if you played

[brittle egret]

thats pretty nice

[lament nymph]

the combat is not nioh tier, reviewers praised it but the combat has a lot of options

[brittle egret]

like you gotta have a notepad for quests type stuff

[ocean onyx]

nioh 3 is multiple worlds above this

[lament nymph]

but for a action game I would think shield would cancel animation but nope

[brittle egret]

no way

[golden scaffold]

It seems to me it's just like BDO sloppa condensed into trying to be SP. Perfect for the fans

[lapis smelt]

Feels exactly like Dragons Dogma when I first played, very clunky but really good

[lapis smelt]

It kinda is RDR2 Desert

[brittle egret]

I was a top BDO player back when I played, but part of what made me play the game was the community and my guild; idk if I'd play it 1p

[lament nymph]

the more toxic an mmo is the better it is to play

[jade flame]

I wouldn't go quite that far.
But it's not a PlayStation yap fest story that's gonna tell you where to go and stuff.
You have to actually explore and use menus to manage stuff.

[brittle egret]

if nioh3 is "worlds above this" I guess ima just play it on sale sometime

[lament nymph]

hence why BD was hella fun

community is toxic as hell

[lapis smelt]

Honestly not even the best souls game is Nioh tier

For combat

Nioh 2 at least.

[brittle egret]

tl;dr wait for a sale or when I have nothing else to play is the vibe I'm getting

[golden scaffold]

I liked BDO for all it's good and bad things. Was supper attached to it. All the bad stuff is actually grown to me as being the charm of it all (like NPCs faces not moving when speaking). It's like the bethesda charm. Those that know, know

[brittle egret]

its not "omg run out and buy the next GOTY"

[merry sonnet]

Im giving it a 6.8 personally ATM. Too many bugs atm

Quality is lacking in a lot of areas.

I also bought the Digital Deluxe and didnt get anything that I should have gotten

[jade flame]

Depends what you are looking for.
But it's not a game "for everyone"

[lament nymph]

I was thinking this could be GOTY but depends on the next few months whether or not they fixed this, this is not it

like it lacks all the basic functionality of a proper game, mini map u can't turn on fixed direction, can't change input mappings for controllers, no actual gameplay options in the options settings

everything is graphics related somehow, the surround audio is dogshit

[golden scaffold]

As a former BDO enjoyer in both good and bad I think it's certainly a game for me. As said, it's like enjoying Bethesda games for its sloppy charm. There's something about it

[sudden pulsar]

I am not entirely sure how one would compare a game like Nioh and this tbh lol

[brittle egret]

stuff like that doesnt put me off

the game itself has to be good

[vivid iris]

the game has the worst hue issues of any game maybe ever tbh

[ocean onyx]

i'm not either but that was the prompt and i am kibblesgpt

[sudden pulsar]

Punished Kibbles

[golden scaffold]

I would compare it to Black Myth and just straight up say this appeals more to me lol I'm just not the kinda guy to enjoy wukong, but sloppa like this? Hell yeah sign me up

[sudden pulsar]

Stripped of his slop

[vivid iris]

they render in AP1 and then go to bt709 for their custom per channel tonemap shit

[ocean onyx]

crimson desert was pretty openly designed to be video game junk food i think

or, slop, if you prefer

[brittle egret]

BMW was a mid game for me, and the combat was mash one button

comparing it to BMW is kind of saying its mid at best

[lament nymph]

BMW was a bad game by my standards

the input issue is kind of a shitty one for action game

[brittle egret]

if BMW wasnt hyped up to the moon, idk if I would've gotten it

[lament nymph]

it ignores input randomly and does its own thing

[brittle egret]

and I wouldn't play a "BMW-like"

[sudden pulsar]

We have to build a special place in hell for that kind of nonsense lol

[golden scaffold]

Yeah my point being they're two very different games likely for very different kinds of players - my best guess

[brittle egret]

is the render also r11g11b10 so all the wcg gets lost like nioh3

[golden scaffold]

I feel like CD attracted wider audience this time and not everyone is on board with it's mmo sloppa roots (were expecting Witcher X Nioh, but got uhm...)

[vivid iris]

not 100% sure. There was some r11g11b10 but it seemed like mostly 16

I don't have a good mental picture for how the game works yet

[brittle egret]

if where they do ap1 to bt709 r11, you're going to need to add a 32 to 64 bit upgrade slider to the mod that upgrades r11 -> r16

or else hues will clip

[sudden pulsar]

If the game ends up being “niche good” a la Dragon’s Dogma, that’d be more than enough for me lol

[ocean onyx]

i don't know the niche is tbh

[brittle egret]

because when it does AP1 to BT709, r11 doesnt support negatives aka wcg gets clipped

[ocean onyx]

having busywork to do?

[brittle egret]

which causes hue clip

[vivid iris]

it's very clear it's not good good, but I never expected that

[sudden pulsar]

Me neither

[brittle egret]

if the output color of the shader is ap1, its fine; but upgrading r11 is still nice for debanding

[lament nymph]

this kliff guy is so dumb he doesn't know what bread is he has to learn about it

[ocean onyx]

i curse lisa su for unleashing this hell upon me