Nioh 3

[pine trench]

did they can the expansion

I assume so

[trim ivy]

It is pretty good but Nioh 2 is a lot better. Nioh 1 IMO had the better map designs for missions. N2 had the better combat QoL. The burst mode is a real hit or miss.

Just don't abuse the Sloth and weakness spells on bosses for N1. It makes the game REALLY easy and unfun

[pine trench]

is sloth in 3

in 2 they nerfed sloth

but it was still strong

I heard in 1 it basically made the mobs cripples

[languid rune]

[trim ivy]

The debuff last quite a long time. It made them really slow like punching in a dream lol. The weakness is just more bully. You can basically kill a boss in seconds without being punished.

[brittle mantle]

sloth is still good but they nerf it every game

it lasts even less in 3 and reups aren't nearly as effective

[pine trench]

gotta finish code vein 2 so I can hop on this

[brittle mantle]

they learned their lesson from Ronin where the "open world" is now just a bunch of Nioh 2 level strung together

it's much better than the wide open plains of nothing in Ronin

[pine trench]

I dont mind the open world

I just want

to make sure all the "collectibles" in NG carry over

like kodama

so I can do all the kodama in NG

and never have to find them again

wrong long I got all the flags

eery single one

even small flags

didnt carry over to NG+, so I quit

[languid rune]

that sounds annoying yeah

[brittle mantle]

the flags were so awful in Wo Long

Wo Long was just a whole lot of systems I didn't like but overall, still had fun

[dusky zinc]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nioh3/mods/18?tab=description
this works if you want a better fov and camera distance
just change the CustomizableCamera.dll to an asi and put them next to nioh3 fix if you're using that
otherwise just install it how it says on the mod page
set exaggerated values to prove it works

here it is dialled in a bit better

[sturdy solar]

let's say I finished the game and had sloth for 90% of the game in my quick items

[marsh charm]

do you actually work/sleep? honest question lol, the game was released 8 days ago, and 286/24 = ~12

ahhh it's nioh2 xDDD

my bad

[sturdy solar]

hehe but I also had a break form work

(for nioh 3)

[marsh charm]

😄

[sturdy solar]

after all it is the sequel to my fav game on steam

[marsh charm]

yea Nioh 2 is one of my favorite "hard" games too

next to Monster Hunter World

Nioh 3 is quite good so far

I locked the framerate to 60fps and I have zero performance issues now

no camera stutter or anything

I use specialK to smooth out the frametime tho

[sturdy solar]

I went with FG for 120

works well 99.9% of the time

[marsh charm]

yea as long as the framerate does not drop below 120

but my display is 120hz and I need to lock the fps to 115 for gsync to work

[sturdy solar]

I got 240, so no issue here

[marsh charm]

yea

it's fine even at 60 fps imo

the cpu usage increases by 30-40% if I switch to 120fps mode btw

it's weird

and I'm using a 9800x3d 😄

I have never seen this CPU working this hard in a game before

80%+ constant CPU usage

[sturdy solar]

yeah it hammers the CPU

people say their CPUs get really hot

I guess this is the first time this oversized AIO is working for me lol

360mm 🐸

this beast

[marsh charm]

mine is air cooled in an ITX PC

but 70c was the max

[marsh charm]

arctic nice, good choice

I use this

[sturdy solar]

my old pc has a noctua, was very good

(of course)

[marsh charm]

I needed something thats quite/relaible and can fit in this case haha

[sturdy solar]

I have a XL case

like 20kg lol

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/define/define-7-xl/black-solid/

[sturdy solar]

Solid Version: 18.73 kg, TG Version: 18.84 kg

[marsh charm]

I switched to mITX 2-3 years ago

and I love it

[sturdy solar]

I hate it (XL)

I mean I love it for cooling etc

but it is way too large lol

[marsh charm]

I can imagine haha

[sturdy solar]

and if I want to go with a standing desk

DP 2.1 is an issue

[marsh charm]

how so?

[sturdy solar]

you can only use like 2m cables without DSC

[marsh charm]

that's not a lot yea

[sturdy solar]

so you would need to put the case on the desk

or get some sort of cage that goes up with the desk

but it is XL

so you would need something custom made I guess

[marsh charm]

you have to integrate the PC into the desk

[sturdy solar]

hehe

[keen plover]

Wish we had some katana engine experts like we do with UE to get stuff working in Nioh 3 which the devs clearly don't even know how to run properly themselves

[mild steeple]

so on a G5 i'd rather use vanilla HDR?

[trim ivy]

I have the same AIO but tbh my old NZXT x63 280mm had similar cooling temps.

Poor thing sitting in a closet now with all my other PC parts. I should probably donate lol.

[sturdy solar]

it's very quiet at least

[glacial quiver]

@sturdy solar I went even bigger 😂, got a Corsair 9000d

[sturdy solar]

29.1kg damn

[sullen terrace]

Using this same 360mm AIO and my 9800x3d hits 80 C in Nioh 3 even after reducing PBO limits slightly and adding a -10mV offset

[pale crater]

sometimes the game does shader compilation during gameplay

so you get very high cpu usage

most of the time the cpu usage is around 60% in the openworld

for me its around 60c

9800x3d with some eclk oc

[sturdy solar]

I have PBO with -15 all core offset, don't think I saw past 67 degree or so, but tbh I haven't really checked, only thing I know is that I don't hear the fans lol

[sturdy solar]

yeah

[pale crater]

im using custom water cooling but since im using eclk oc, my cpu voltage should be higher than yours

its around 1.30v

[sullen terrace]

Something isnt right then in my build. I will say it was very difficult to mount this arctic LF3 pro so maybe i need to unmount and redo the paste. Might not be spread out or enough after having to take it on and off

[sturdy solar]

I had it mounted the wrong way at first lol

I feel you.

[sullen terrace]

Those stupid brackets this thing comes with sucks, the mounting block on the AIO basically wont clear them unless u leave the brackets really loose

Then tighten them after

[sturdy solar]

there is a v2 that is a bit better

I have the v1

[sullen terrace]

Pretty sure i have the latest, just got it in january

[sturdy solar]

if you got the package it should say v2 where the bar code is

very small letters

they say the mounting was improved

[sullen terrace]

Mine says Rev.3

[sturdy solar]

oh wow

:D

didn't even know there is a v3

must be very recent

[sullen terrace]

And i still hate it lol

Im also worried my pump somehow isnt working right but the speeds are reading properly, at 80% it reads 2800rpm ish, and i can feel the pump vibrations a bit when i touch the lines, but like my old kraken z73 was wayyyyyy louder than this

Everyone says the pump is loudon this thing but mine is so quiet

[sturdy solar]

yeah I don't hear it really

[sullen terrace]

Eventually ill just repaste, might be the issue. Bought one of the thermalright contact frames i didnt know existed before too

So i can install that bc i did get small amounts of paste in the gaps around the cpu, not much but enough to annoy me and i didnt wanna break any of those little gold chiplets trying to clean

So i said eff it and mounted

But yeah this game makes it run so hot so im gonna have to try to see if repasting and remounting does the trick but im worried i wont get the thing back on. Took me quite a while the first time

[glacial quiver]

Tbh it's why I stayed away from artic this time till they understand that their mount for their cooler is plain terrible

[keen plover]

their aio cooler is very good though

[sturdy solar]

https://youtu.be/xXxUv4ejCxY

[tranquil shore]

coop is so weird in n3, it doesnt find any friends games until they invite me via steam, then it appears. I don't have to accept the invite, merely having it there ready to click is enough

[unkempt creek]

it's not uncommon to see my 5800X3D at 85-90° during gaming, but I can't notice any stutters or throttling. the cooler i use is dark rock pro 3, and I re-checked and reinstalled the thermal paste situation, since this thing was keeping the old 1700X very very cool (never went about 60 at the lowest fan setting) but here it's always above 80° no matter how much you crank up the fans. Is this the offset skew reporting higher than it actually is or what?

[next compass]

Well you're still within safety limits there even.

[unkempt creek]

so that's.. normal? and I shouldn't bother cooling it down?

[next compass]

I wouldn't say normal but I don't recall what a Dark Rock Pro 3 gets average, it seems high-ish but. I don't go over 60-62c on my 9700x.

[unkempt creek]

less demanding games and tasks it's around 75° but anything that pushes it (or decompressing, encoding) it's 85°+ all the time

[indigo narwhal]

no these comment section people are psychotic

[deft eagle]

I don't think they have calibrated screens either by some of the comments, but its really easy to see the difference with reno... Has a nice slider up top to go back to vanilla mapping

[indigo narwhal]

he paid for that bt.2020 coverage and hes gonna use it

[tranquil heron]

Are u using pbo?

[unkempt creek]

very likely

I'm not sure what exactly it's called like in my bios but I'm pretty sure it should be turned on (by default) and why wouldn't you want that performance?

as long as it's not throttling which i don't think it is?

[candid ermine]

Damn this chat is reluctantly making me want to revisit my pbo/CO on my 9800x3d, which I havent touched for like 12 months.

I'm hitting 71C

[unkempt creek]

If I'm not mistaken the first X3D which I have is the hottest of them all, but it's not causing any issues, it's just really hot

[trim ivy]

On my 9800X3D most my games are about 50-55C including Nioh 3 🤔 I personally just set the PBO to be auto (on) and do not tweak it. The only time I see it go over 55C is usually when something like shaders is happening.

[keen plover]

yeah the 7800x3d runs at mostly the same temps as well

shame the game runs like hot garbage if you don't run it at a constant 60

no way you'll be stable on the 120 setting with all the issues

[naive widget]

It runs fine at 120? Just turn down some settings

[sturdy solar]

framegen

tbh it's a good implementation

[keen plover]

framegen adds some other issues which is also shown in a couple videos

[marsh charm]

@pale crater Which char should I use? I can't decide... I think keeping her Japanese makes more sense than using an European face preset 😩

[sturdy solar]

is this like mh wilds

for you

I recall you took most of your time creating a character and then tweaking HDR

[marsh charm]

ofc 😄

I spend the first 8+ hours in the editor

Ok I finished the demo section this time before jumping into the editor

[sturdy solar]

I knew it!

[pale crater]

uhhh... i play male character

[marsh charm]

but you complained about the editor xD

[sturdy solar]

I used the default char 🐸

looks fine! also I always have a helm on anyway

btw you can edit your char at any time in the hub (mirror)

[pale crater]

ya because female presets dont look good so i ended up playing a male one

🤷‍♂️

[marsh charm]

sacrilege

[marsh charm]

yea the default presets, other than the very default, look bad

I like how mean this one looks:

but this one looks Japenese

[trim ivy]

I tried making my Nioh 2 female and didn't come close. The hairstyle I used isn't an option in 3 🙁 The graphics on 3 looked much worse in the player creation too.

My Nioh 2 vs Nioh 3

Nioh 2 hair textures were so well made too.

[sturdy solar]

yeah char editor was huge in nioh2

even I used it :D

[marsh charm]

I reinstalled Nioh 2 and tbh Nioh 2 looks much worse in-game when it comes to character shading and lighting in general

the editor is better, but the characters look worse imo

I mean the character looked good in the editor in Nioh 2, but the actual in-game models looked worse

in Nioh 3 the in-game models look just as good as in the editor if not better

but yea the hair shading is not great in 3

but DLSS 4.5 helps

[trim ivy]

Nioh 3 definitely looks better overall but not too much. I personally think the models look similar in-game but that is just me.

I tried 4.5 on N2 but I was not able to get it to change the model preset

[pale crater]

ya nioh 3 has better lighting and textures

though imo ronin looks even better

[mild steeple]

is anyone playing this at 120hz w/o stutter?
even if i make 100% sure that fps is stable it is limited at 117fps for VRR headroom -- and it still stutters...
so i have to put the TV in 165hz mode for it to reach not 117 but exactly 120hz.
anyone else observe this? is the game really this anal about this?

[marsh charm]

Wo Long looks quite decent too

[marsh charm]

yes it's "intended"

you have to lock the game to either 60 or 120

180 might work too

[mild steeple]

i know that but... c'mon 117 is practically 120 T_T

[marsh charm]

it's not

[mild steeple]

as i have noticed 🙁

[marsh charm]

the game does not really support variable framerates

at all

[mild steeple]

here's hoping for a patch (not holding my breath..)

[marsh charm]

it's the katana engine

they are not going to patch it

they implementet that dynamic framerate feature

you can turn it on

[mild steeple]

but that won't fix the 117 <->120 mismatch/stuttering i suppose

[marsh charm]

no not really but the game wont slow down at least

lol

[mild steeple]

i mean it works at 165hz and then cap ingame to 120
but i don't like using the 165hz mode on the G5

[marsh charm]

use 144hz

or custom 130hz

what's the vrr range?

oh it's 165hz

so yea you can just use w/e refresh rate then

[marsh charm]

how so? Just use Nvidia Profile inspector

[mild steeple]

yeah but the g5 has that nasty habit of crushing blacks at 165hz 🙄

[marsh charm]

then lower the refreshrate 😄

130 should be fine if you want a 120fps lock

[mild steeple]

you mean CRU'ing a custom res/refr

might try that

[marsh charm]

no need to use CRU

you can use Nvidia's custom res tool

in NVCP

[trim ivy]

I tried nvpi/dlss swapper/nvidia app (unsupported for dlss overrides) and no matter what it showed preset k on any dlss setting. The debugger kept showing it as K.

[marsh charm]

did you replace the dll?

[trim ivy]

Yes with 310.5.2 up to the recent ones

[marsh charm]

I use specialk

but it should work fine

[trim ivy]

I didn't try rthat but I had no luck. I'll probably try again in a bit.

[marsh charm]

I replaced the dll in the game folder then I used Nvidia PI to change the preset to M

I don't have the nvidia app installed

that messes up the profiles

it could be that

[trim ivy]

Possibly but I use the app for other things :(N2 dlss stuff is greyed even though it has it in-game

[marsh charm]

delete the Nioh 3 game presets with the Inspector

recreate one using the old NVCP

then Profile Inspector should work

this is how I fixed my games when I was testing the app lol

https://github.com/xHybred/NvidiaProfileInspectorRevamped/releases I use this NVPI

[trim ivy]

Are we talking about 2 o3 N3 4.5 works fine. It is N2 I cannot do it.

[marsh charm]

oh lol idk I did not test N2 with newer DLSS

I was talking about Nioh 3 when I said that DLSS 4.5 improves the hair rendering

but Nioh 2 Complete edition should work fine with DLSS 4.5

[trim ivy]

Oh cause I mentioned N2 but you may have thought I said 3 lol

[marsh charm]

oh yea haha

[trim ivy]

I am confused now. Now preset M actually works on Nioh 2 after doping the same steps. I used 310.5.3 on it and override on NVPI with the preset M.

🤷‍♂️ glad it works at least

[sturdy solar]

I just used the nvidia app to override to L, no issue

[trim ivy]

It was probably when 4.5 came out that it was not wanting to work. I guess it works now.

[dusky zinc]

DLSS Tweaks works well for both games too

[stone wing]

I tried preset L and it does some strange things, in particular to hair.

I can post the screenshot later, haven't tried preset M because I thought it might do the same thing and K looks fine imo

[marsh charm]

M looks fine

imo

[unkempt creek]

and for good measure, I'm saving this clip for future relevance:

[tranquil heron]

I seriously dont get why people call this game PS3/PS4 looking it doesnt look that bad. For how it works could it look better? Yes but its still nice

[next compass]

Well real problem in that comparison is PS4 games still look great all turned up today especially if you can Luma.

[arctic prawn]

variable frame rate support please

[autumn python]

Depends on which software and what part pf the cpu temps people are talking about.

For example the cpu package temperatures reported by the motherboard and ryzen master are much lower than the active core temperatures.

Mine 9950x3d cpu package is around 56 - 61 degrees however some core temps spike up to 72 - 73 degrees and CCD0 (3d cache core complex) temp is also over 70 since the game uses the whole CCD

So what temperatures and which sensors people are talking about is an important factor with modern cpus...

This package temperature vs core temperature difference will still be present with a single CCD 9800x3d although probably less than a dual CCD cpu like mine

[autumn python]

Also I dunno about other vendors but asus motherboards report lower cpu package temperatures than other places consistently.

Like ryzen master and hardware monitor shows 66 degrees for cpu package temperature while asus mobo sensor reports 55 - 56... Wild difference.

That is why when mentioning software measured temperatures, always mention the used software and temperature sensor. Something to keep in mind.

[autumn python]

Also a question to everyone who uses dlss 4.5:

Does not the foliage shimmering and framegen artifacts/ghosting with rainy parts on the game drive you crazy?

This is the only title I have seen those issues to the extent of what I am seeing here...

Dlss preset K is much more tolerable in terms of foliage shimmering to my eyes. Framegen is unbearable to my eyes for the sections I mentioned with both dlssg 4.0 or 4.5

I use 75% resolution scaling with 1440p ultrawide monitor

Also I set global illumination to the ultra since I know it affects shimmering stuff, but it still annoys me this damn game has so much foliage in general, I sticked with 4.0 preset K but it is still there..

[keen plover]

Preset L looks fine for me. Not really having issues with foliage

[autumn python]

Never tried L preset on 4.5, only tried M..
Not sure if it makes a difference but I will try that. Thanks for the opinion!

[candid ermine]

I'm not having problems with preset M, frame gen, 50% render @4K

Max settings in game

The lighting in general just looks terrible though

[candid ermine]

Good post btw

[mild steeple]

uhm i am late and this probably has been asked before but what to do if the game looks really washed out / raised black-ish with renoDX compared to vanilla HDR?

[autumn python]

probably make sure game is in HDR mod in the first place... Check if HDR content is properly engaged by windows etc..

[mild steeple]

yup everything HDR is enabled :/

[autumn python]

re-install graphics drivers (to remove driver level shader cache) maybe.. The game compiles shaders every lunch but it is not done in depth after the first time. Reno and vanilla HDR stuff uses different shaders, maybe your game did not properly compile Reno shader or smh... I don't know what else to say other than that it is definitely not washed out when it works properly...

[sturdy solar]

vanilla hdr is pretty good imho, I played with it instead in the end (if you can't go over 1000nits)

[autumn python]

it can be caused by different things but washed out content on a HDR enabled display 90% of the time means; content (game in this case) is not in HDR mode

[mild steeple]

thx. but searching this thread i am apparently not the only one w desaturated colors from reno

[mild steeple]

couldn't find an expedient solution so i guess ill be sticking to native hdr for the time being

[unkempt creek]

I've been using Reno on every game possible that I could since I discovered it, and didn't run into this issue once. In fact, the colors always look much better. What do you even mean by desaturated? Compared to what? What display are you using and what is desaturated compared to what? SDR? Autohdr? Native HDR?

[mild steeple]

thx. see comments above. normally same applies for me.. except for this game; and yes compared to native HDR. on a LG G5.

[unkempt creek]

But native HDR colours are a mess. I just don't see in what world that is the better option. Care to make a comparison picture?

[deft eagle]

I think it might be personally

Though i don't think their adaptation helps as it can seem pretty extreme at times

[candid ermine]

I got used to the desaturated renodx and now native hdr burns my eyes. It's so crushed

[deft eagle]

It can be severely headache inducing yeah lol, not sure how people prefer it

[brisk pecan]

Same for me. I increased it to 60, which I normally would never do in other games.

[noble zinc]

You need to update to the newest posted reno here or on nexus not the snapshot on github the most recent update has much closer to sdr colors than the first couple of releases

you don't need to bump saturation on it

[mild steeple]

Oh boy I dled fr9m github so that might be just it , will check it out asap. Thanks!

[dull agate]

Just finished the game, thanks everyone that helped with this amazing mod

[pale crater]

@fluid raven can you add a bloom slider? It looks bad in this game and completely turning off feels too much for me

[deft eagle]

That would probably be great. Also wish there was a way to tone down the adaptation but doubt thats doable with the tools that exist. I can dream though

[pale crater]

ya nioh 2 has a mod to do it

and nioh luma already does that for you

[fluid raven]

Already uninstalled the game, sorry

[pale crater]

ah ok

[dusky zinc]

Did you just jump in, make a reno mod then just uninstall it? 😂

[fluid raven]

More or less 😂

[dusky zinc]

Lol, fair enough

[mild steeple]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nioh3/mods/14

anyone tried this?

[pale crater]

its bugged

some enemies stop attacking

[languid rune]

Who woulda thought

[marsh charm]

that's a feature

[mild steeple]

that's just my ninja stealth!

[dusky zinc]

nioh 3 performance shits the bed in the 2nd big zone oof
held 120fps with 2x fg easily in the first zone
only managing 90 in the 2nd with same settings

[languid rune]

why that shid so desaturated xd

[unkempt creek]

Downloaded my own HDR clip on mobile and reuploaded the phone just slop converted it or something

[languid rune]

[mild steeple]

uhm... is there any fix for the Foliage flickering like crazy on any other Global Illumination setting other than ultra?

(or very low)

[autumn python]

Using preset K makes it better but yeah it is a DLSS issue. A lot of people don't notice that say it is fine though. Even GI is set to ultra it is there -.-

also set screen space reflections to low or very low it helps a bit but I don't know what else could be done, it is not happening that bad in all regions though if it makes you feel better 😄

[mild steeple]

thank you will try that!
increasing resolution scaling also helped a bit for me and yeah, switched back to model K from model M

• "new"(?) version of renodx from nexus is much better as far as the perceived "desaturation" is concerned. still running saturation 55 but it looks pretty great now 🙂

[autumn python]

I assumed you were on the latest version which was shared here at the time, when I said it is not desaturated. Some earlier versions had that issue indeed

[stone wing]

Because the games graphics are inconsistent, there are moments where it looks phenomenal because its using more modern lighting techniques. But in situations where the lighting is more simple, the cracks show, and its pretty ugly. Game's standard grading also likes to crush detail, which is something a lot of PS3 era games did. On top of that its performance cost never aligns with its graphical fidelity, theres a lot going on in a scene, but if its so miniscule that the player doesn't notice its just wasted performance.

But I digress

I think the game looks great personally, I have an eye for how moody they were able to make some environment with new fog and lighting techniques. But I am also blessed to have a good PC that can maintain a solid 120 fps maxed out.

[glacial quiver]

The biggest issue is how little of your GPU the game uses even on high/ultra, for example on my 5090 I never see more than 40% usage

[marsh charm]

why is that a problem?

it means that you don't need a 5090 to run the game at high/ultra

[autumn python]

the problem is how much cpu it takes to run it on 120 fps (no fake fps) consistently and even with the most powerful cpus on the current market, you would drop to 110-115 fps due to cpu load on some occasions on a game engine which has its delta time tied to target frame rate

you can argue if the cpu bottleneck is so hard, compared to gpu utilization with this level of graphics fidelity on a good graphics card; they could might as well have put better visuals in the game, but gpu utilization being low by itself is indeed a good thing...

[marsh charm]

yea it’s better to just run the game at 60 fps atm :/

or 120 fps with fg

[brittle mantle]

I still have no clue how it's gobbling up so much cpu usage. Katana Engine is well and truly fucked.

[pale crater]

their 120fps is by doubling everything in 60fps mode

so you get double the cpu usage of 60 fps mode

ps1 era logic

[marsh wolf]

Is it normal for the game to crash with nvdia frame gen and the mod

[glacial quiver]

Instead it's using the CPU aka badly coded engine 😂

[glacial quiver]

It's improperly coded, even a 9950x3d isn't properly loaded 🤣

[sullen terrace]

At 1440p i’m at 100% gpu utilization on my 9070xt with fsr4 60% (so around balanced mode) enabled. And my 9800x3d still hits 60%-90% utilization

[brittle mantle]

I'm playing Ronin after beating Nioh 3 because Nioh 3 made me feel like it took a few steps back and man, Ronin looks so good compared to Nioh 3 lol

the lighting especially in Nioh 3 is a huge step back

[pale crater]

ya ronin had a bigger budget

[pine trench]

nioh2 was nioh1.5

and nioh2 was peak, so

if the prophecy continues

nioh3 stays a mid game

and nioh4 will be peak

[languid rune]

[restive rampart]

tbh I played them all and Nioh 3 Combat is peak. They simplified some aspects of Nioh 2 (but in a very smart way) making combat more fluid for those who use all the mechanics

i'm not loving the open map style and this stupid quest system

but fuck I play Nioh for the gameplay and it's so satisfying

[sturdy solar]

nioh3 combat is even better than 2, but I like the levels in 2 more, that being said we all played nioh2 with all DLCs

nioh3 is getting 2 DLCs

and the amazing endgame (imho) from 2 was in the last few DLCs

[glacial quiver]

At least 2 dlc

[unkempt creek]

That's the main thing I actually prefer over the old design

They took cues from elden ring and some other games and I think it works well

[brittle mantle]

My main problem with Ronin was that it was just a big open map and the missions were just parts of that map. Nioh 3's zones are like 5 Nioh 2 maps stitched together so it's better in that sense but it is a bummer how much of a visual downgrade it is

But combat in Nioh 3 is amazing so I still had a great time and I'm excited for the dlc zones

[indigo narwhal]

this user definitely knows what they are talking about

[languid rune]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-lacking-gif-25801566

[keen plover]

Nioh 2 was way more barebones than 3 at release

people keep compared a finished game to a new one

[stone wing]

Nioh 2, after the first playthrough you barely have enough to make a fun build. It's incredibly grindy. I lost interest after.

Nioh 3 offers you fun and functional skill builds in the first few hours. But it also means it's easy to experiment with different playstyles. I can see myself going through post game content when the DLC brings it. That said, you have more tools out of the gate, which does make Nioh 3 feel a lot easier.

[deft eagle]

Honestly i love 3 so far. i have complaints sure ...the world mobs are a big weak, some of the bosses hit boxes feel really off, obviously the performance and crashes, and my biggest probably their rediculous overly strong adaptation that gives me a headache...but the game is super fun to play. I also feel they did a little bit better of a job in relaying the plot this time

[sturdy solar]

excited for the DLC

[arctic prawn]

katana engine

[glacial quiver]

You mean lighting issues engine 🤣🤣🤣

[autumn python]

Doesn't quite cut it, technically

[restive rampart]

such a bullshit picture I can downgrade Nioh 3 settings and make it look like Tenchu

1988 Dark Soul 2 for NES

[mild steeple]

so if your display is at 120hz then there is no way to play this game stutter free at 120fps mode with frame generation?
(bc fg will force reflex and that will limit fps to ~115 =! 120 = stutter)
this is beyond retarded

[sturdy solar]

there is a way to disable reflex, iirc someone posted it in here

or you can use fsr fg

[pale crater]

no you disable vrr instead of reflex, without vrr reflex wont cap you to 116 fps

you dont want fg without reflex lol

[languid rune]

ez 150ms input lag

[pale crater]

ya without vrr its like 50ms

[sturdy solar]

ah yeah that was it

[pale crater]

not a deal breaker, this game has super low base input lag

[pale crater]

disable gsync for nioh 3 with nvidia profile inspector

[mild steeple]

but i like gsync 🙁

[sturdy solar]

nioh/katana engine games don't work with vrr anyways

I mean it works

but it is a bad experience

[olive moon]

Sure there is, spend more money for a 240hz monitor

[languid rune]

Bruh

[olive moon]

Shame that they had some solution in the engine for dwo and couldn't implement it here

[mild steeple]

well the g5 is 165hz but that's opening another can of worms

[mild steeple]

actually never considered turning it off; you mean it is a bad experience since the game is hard coded to run 30/60/120/240 w no variations allowed?

[sturdy solar]

yeah you get either:
a) animation skips
or
b) slowdowns

the in-game menu has a toggle for a or b

which happens when you can't hold your target framerate (that you set in the menu, 30/60/120... etc)

I guess this is an improvement over nioh 2, were slowdown was the only outcome iirc

[mild steeple]

thanks;
a general question about VRR that i have always wondered (sorry for OT): For smooth single player experience does it even make sense to have VRR enabled when you cap your fps well below your refresh rate anyway to get stable frame times/fps? i.e. i usually have my display at 120hz and cap at 80fps for a sensible compromise between performance and visuals -- could i just turn VRR off in this case for the same experience? (not nioh related but games taht actually allow for variable framerates w/o slowdowns/skips)

[languid rune]

You can try 165hz with black level 52 and 120fps cap with FG

I do that sometimes even tho it’s not a perfect solution for black levels

[pale crater]

no they work, just at specific value

[languid rune]

But better than being stuck at 60 fps for this game

[pale crater]

120fps on a 144hz screen with vrr is smooth

[sturdy solar]

you misunderstand what I meant (my bad probably), I mean if you are at 110 fps e.g. you will get slowdown or animation skips

even tho in normal games you would notice anything

thanks to vrr

[pale crater]

that should be variable frame rate

[sturdy solar]

yeah probably what I should have wrote

[pale crater]

theres actually one katana engine game that works perfectly with variable frame rate

Dynasty Warriors Origin

[pale crater]

no you cant, you get judders without vrr when theres a mismatch between fps and refresh rate

[naive widget]

If it’s divisible it should work fine with just vsync

So for 120 it would be 60/40/30

[mild steeple]

/80 iiuc?

[naive widget]

Nope, it needs to divisble by a whole number, 2,3,4 etc

For 80 you’d need to run at 160hz

[mild steeple]

thanks so if my display can only do 165, it should be 82 (.5 will probably not matter)?

[naive widget]

It will matter

[mild steeple]

can rtss cap at .5 intervals?

[naive widget]

That I do not know

[pale crater]

you need half vsync

rtss default cap doesnt work well without vrr

you need the scanline sync if you want vsync off, but its quite tricky to get correct

[mild steeple]

so 165hz -> nvcpl vsync on -> rtss 82.5 cap is not a good idea

[naive widget]

Afaik this does incur vsync latency but yea

[pale crater]

ya not good

the frame pacing cant be perfect

[naive widget]

You could make a custom resolution @160hz

[pale crater]

wont work well even at 160hz

thats just how frame time capping works

[mild steeple]

thanks. scanline sync is moving the tear-line out of the visible area of thre screen ? might look into that

[pale crater]

doesnt work well if your gpuz load is high

the tearing line would just keep moving

[naive widget]

I do wonder tho

Why not just keep vrr on?

[marsh charm]

it works as long as the framerate is locked

[sturdy solar]

yea

[mild steeple]

yeah that's the thing, i would love to but: VRR Flicker
i never noticed it much on the C9 but on those newer OLEDs with their insane nits i find it irritable in some games under certain conditions (nioh being the latest example) -- guess i am very sensitive to this issue :/

S95f was the worst returned it for that reason, G5 is a lot better but still noticable

[naive widget]

I think flicker can vary massively by model/unit

But yea that makes sense

[languid rune]

Wait you’re playing without VRR?

[mild steeple]

wdym? so far i have been playing with VRR on but the flicker

[languid rune]

That’s sounded a bit like you don’t wanna use VRR on the G5

[naive widget]

What I noticed on my monitor is that it basicaly never flickers as long as the monitor refresh rate is resonably close to whatever fps the game is running at

I usually just vsync/reflex lock to either 120 or 100 hz and have basicaly no flicker

[mild steeple]

absolutely. but i am running a 4070ti S so not enough headroom for great visuals at 4k(w dlss) + consistent 120fps.
usually 80fps cap helps here (but ofc not so much in nioh)

[naive widget]

You could try making a custom resolution with 80hz in nvcp

[mild steeple]

yep i found setting display to 100hz and shooting for 96fps is even better, but again, not for nioh T_T
same for custom resolution at 80hz i suppose !=nioh

[naive widget]

Ye nioh is a little special

I just did 120 vsync

[mild steeple]

w or w/o VRR is the million dollar question 😄

120fps is just crazy demanding in some areas

[naive widget]

w/o

[naive widget]

Yea i wanted to crank the settings

So i used frame gen

[naive widget]

With the monitor set to 240hz to be clear

I didnt notice any weird judder or stutters

But maybe im just insensitive to it

[mild steeple]

this game.... if it wasn't so addictive i'd never devote so much time fiddling w settings >.<

[sturdy solar]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3681010/view/534375749569743069?l=english

[marsh charm]

"Made it possible to set equipment from different Styles in Equipment Appearance"

peak patch

[mild steeple]

thanks again for that info, i found a (very bad) solution that kinda works for me:
display to 100hz, enable FG, "nioh3fix.ini" at 48fps (i know i know ...), make sure that i stay at 96fps constantly, enable VRR == pretty much flicker-free

[pale crater]

that option breaks enemy ai

we had that dicussion if you check above msg

the only way to play this game is at fixed 60/120

[mild steeple]

I am aware but so far they still attack?

[naive widget]

afaik it's not all enemies that break

honestly for nioh just use frame gen and vsync to 120

wait nvm that doesn't work cuz of reflex

[autumn python]

I would just play base 60 fps without frame generation at that point...
Or if you can bruteforce just 120 native fps with reflex disabled

or you could try to overclock your monitor a bit like +10 hz (if the panel is 10bit you could try to go down 8bit and with some manual config in custom resolution creator within nvcp) just to stay within VRR Reflex range on 120hz so you can use 60->120 frame generation

[marsh charm]

or just disable VRR and use latent sync

[mild steeple]

Thanks for all the replies
@marsh charm latent sync is specialK ? Display commander? Both?
Cheers

[marsh charm]

Not sure about Display commander but SK supports it yea

[pine trench]

stuff like that is huge

I remmber wu long on release didnt have any transmog preview

and it was ass

idk if they changed it later

well huge in a game where a big part of it is char customization + fasion

[pale crater]

works if you disable vrr

[pale crater]

you can use reflex with vsync without vrr

[marsh charm]

latent sync is better than normal vsync

even is you use reflex with vsync

[pale crater]

not when gpu load is high

you still get visible tearing

[marsh charm]

we were talking about a 60fps lock with FG

[pale crater]

ya this game

[marsh charm]

yea

[pale crater]

the gpu load can be still very high at 60fps

[marsh charm]

well yea it depends on your gpu

[pale crater]

everything except 5090

[marsh charm]

at native maybe

[pale crater]

no at dlss quality or even performance with preset m/l

this game is really demanding when you reach chapter 2

[marsh charm]

good old bad optimisation then

but dropping frames with vsync enabled is not ideal either

aka pick your poision lol

[pale crater]

dropping frames in katana engine is bad anyway bro

😩

[marsh charm]

yea 🙁

I’m kinda afraid of chapter 2 now lol

the game ran perfectly so far

[pale crater]

where are you currently

not the intro at least ?

[marsh charm]

Idk I’m clearing the map lol

I was in a yokai infested cave or something

that was the last “main” quest I did

[indigo narwhal]

You likely need to turn terrain down to high from ultra for ch2

It is basically free before then but very heavy there

Noticed fucking model texture quality somehow having a very high perf hit in a couple areas too lmao

So yeah just leave fucking everything on default except gi

Kind of mad about how dogshit df's coverage was but nobody plays these games so whatever

Dynamic resolution is completely useless for preventing stutters

[exotic kelp]

is there even a single non Reno mod on the nexus for this game that is useful? 😄

[marsh wolf]

Always has been

[marsh charm]

I'm struggling with the contrast

45 with 55 highlights look fine, but it also looks bad sometimes

it's the volumetric fog stuff I think

[pine trench]

you're not supposed to crnak highlights up too high without cranking up other sliders to compensate

especially in an already bright game

[marsh charm]

I lowered the contrast

and I cranked up the highlights to compensate

[pine trench]

now thats something

never really seen people lower highlights

I dont think it was mapped out

why not just lower game brightness?

[marsh charm]

because the game is way too dark

near crushing dark

[pine trench]

increase shadows?

[marsh charm]

the shadow slider is straight up broken

lol

[pine trench]

oh

I didnt fire the game up, so idk how stuff was wired up

I assume ritsu doesnt have gamma correction exposed

[marsh charm]

nope

[pine trench]

a scuffed workaround would be to disable gamma correction, and then add back a bit of contrast

the math kind of works out

[marsh charm]

so yea I had to be creative lol

[pine trench]

if shadows is broke thats no gud

[marsh charm]

yea that's what I would do too

[pine trench]

@steel owl do lilium's shaders have a "reverse black floor fix"

[steel owl]

No

[pine trench]

the SDR TRC FIX lets you select input and output

[steel owl]

Not for hdr

[pine trench]

but idk if the hdr one has it

rip, if there was an fx that could undo gamma correction

he could just increase gamma

I dont want to re-compile with just gamma correction 0

because idk how the draw stuff is wired up

gotta go look into it

@marsh charm try this out for memes, might be busted

if its srgb gamma, you can slowly increase contrast to compensate for srgb memes

this might be hard grief because the code is hardcoded to work with 2.2 color I think

if its busted lmk so I can delete it; so people dont accidently download it

[marsh charm]

it looks good I think

but sec

[pine trench]

I doubt thats going to fix much if at all

I'll eventually dig into the game when I play

ritsu doesnt plan on maintaining it anymore

[marsh charm]

@pine trench Ritsu's default vs yours

that gamma correction is not great

I mean the non gamma corrected version is not perfect either but it's a lot better

and well we can use flare

which is not ideal but still better lol

[pine trench]

its not that gamma correction is bad, gamma correction is working as intended

[marsh charm]

I mean yes

[pine trench]

if you turned on SDR 2.2

it would look like the darker pic

[marsh charm]

but the game was not designed with gamma correction in mind

[steel owl]

maybe they just have bad taste

[pine trench]

its just I noticed a few people prefer gamma correction off + a bit of contrast instead of gamma correction on

the math kind of works out

[steel owl]

per channel go brrr

[marsh charm]

with gamma correction the auto exposure is crushing everything to oblivion ofc

[pine trench]

@unkempt pebble 's monitor also has EOTF grief

so he plays gamma correction off + contrast in some games

[marsh charm]

the game looks like shit tbh

but it's Nioh

[pine trench]

the katana engine isnt exactly bleeding edge

[marsh charm]

yea.. 😄

[pine trench]

but I rather have fun games that look like shit

[pine trench]

@fluid raven stuff like this is why I started exposing gamma correction again

Jon ran into similar memes in Grim Dawn

gamma correciton off + renodx contrast is sometimes preferable to gamma correction on and then messing with shadows for some people

iirc shortfuse said the math works out so thats a W

is the UI griefed btw

since I also turned off ui gamma correction

hopefully the UI isnt encoded, that would be bad

[marsh charm]

oh It was turned off

leme check

[unkempt pebble]

Honestly we need a good min nits calibration option in Reno

[pine trench]

"reee blacks not 0"

also define reno

[unkempt pebble]

Just like a built in function to call

[pine trench]

ah ok

because nioh3 is just nioh3 extended + n2 to peak

not "RenoDRT"

[unkempt pebble]

I’m thinking the other direction lol. Offer calibration for people on griefed panels

[pine trench]

musa's gamma slider

might work

sec

right after exposure its basically a pow offset, how brightness works in sdr games

  float3 color = untonemapped;

  color *= config.exposure;

  // gamma
  float lum_gamma_adjusted = renodx::math::Select(lum < 1.f, pow(lum, config.gamma), lum);

[unkempt pebble]

Old shadow slider kinda was that I guess

[pine trench]

shadow and contrast is based around 0.18/midgay

but this is based around 1, and right after exposure so right onto the entire image

also config.gamma isnt gamma correction its a custom colorgrading slider

sec

[marsh charm]

it's like Wuchang's LUTs, fixing them is "correct" but it messes up the art direction

[pine trench]

    new renodx::utils::settings::Setting{
        .key = "ColorGradeGamma",
        .binding = &shader_injection.tone_map_gamma,
        .default_value = 1.f,
        .label = "Gamma",
        .section = "Color Grading",
        .min = 0.75f,
        .max = 1.25f,
        .format = "%.2f",
        .is_enabled = []() { return shader_injection.tone_map_type != 0; },
    },

reducing it = brighter

increasing it = darker

[steel owl]

neutwo has min

[pine trench]

does it?

I saw clip

[unkempt pebble]

Oh right, I forgot

[pine trench]

didnt see a aces-like min

[steel owl]

it has that

min, max, gray in gray out, clip

[marsh charm]

the UI looks fine

yea the game looks "correct" now with gamma correction disabled

[pine trench]

have fun I guess

[pine trench]

nah man, those lcd luts can eat my whole ass

[pine trench]

this is on a newer codebase

idk if the wuchan'g mod handles luts differently, this is only black floor lut scaling

but lut scaling off (ugly luts) just feels like grief

lut strength 100 + lut scaling 100 =

[marsh charm]

yea it looks good

[pine trench]

lut strength 0 is ass though

the game isnt made to be played with no luts

[marsh charm]

yea lol

which version is this btw?

[pine trench]

lut scaling just fixs the black floor

unreal-extended

[marsh charm]

oh hmm

[pine trench]

pinned in #1411800884303626311

[marsh charm]

the wuchang mod is different I think

[pine trench]

it has all of wu-chang in it (sdr path and ini path)

this is on the newer code, so I'd suggest running this for wuchang

[marsh charm]

I will definitely test it thanks!

@pine trench this is the Wuchang mod

lut scaling 70 is the default

[pine trench]

those use slightly different codebases so

idk how that translates

[unkempt pebble]

Honestly it might work better to just reverse the luminance differences and only take the color in Wuchang lol

[pine trench]

but 70 is prolly fine too if you want a bit of that washed out look

[pine trench]

in extended I do inverse scale

instead of upgradetonemap

the thing I showed you in grim dawn

color * scale

// sdr code (lut sampling in this case)

color / scale

[unkempt pebble]

I’m talking about something we do in mh wilds

[pine trench]

if we go by the artistic intent

the post lut color is the intended color

thats how you're supposed to play

its just raised blacks that are a slight grief

[unkempt pebble]

That black wash look is a common grading trope outside of video games. China fucking loves it apparently, since basically all their AAA games do it.

[marsh charm]

yea 100/100 looks great in wuchang with unreal-extended

and the colors are a lot more accurate too

nice

[pine trench]

right, but if you keep the lut and just do black floor lutscaling; its a nice mix of the two imo

[marsh charm]

I should really get back into that game, I stopped playing after I "finished" my preset lol. I will have to readjust everything with the new mod tho

[pine trench]

a few people told me its the best souls game they played in a long time

[unkempt pebble]

I think you’ll like the new mod a lot more

[pine trench]

whats "your preset", because it might just work out of the box

[unkempt pebble]

He’s talking about mh wilds

[pine trench]

oh mb

[marsh charm]

yea haha

[pine trench]

I lost track

[marsh charm]

and I was using an unorthodox preset to fix the weird colors

[pine trench]

is the new mod with luminosity?

[unkempt pebble]

I mean new as of a month or so ago, whenever that last rework happened

[pine trench]

I lost track of the MHW reworks

like 5 people worked on it

different stuff happened

[marsh charm]

Wuchang is definitely one of the best classic style souls like games

gameplay wise at least

[pine trench]

I'm finishing up code vein 2, and after that its nioh 3

[marsh charm]

how is code vein 2?

I really liked 1

[pine trench]

so

I'm having fun

[marsh charm]

the level design kinda sucked in 1 but I loved the combat

[pine trench]

its not bad

the level design is better

the combat is cool too

is it worth 70$

I guess if you liked 1

keysites might have it for 50

you can only have 4 abilities instead of 8; but they actually did a big W

in CV1 like 5 of your 8 abilities where buffs

[marsh charm]

I'm not going to buy another game until I finished the other 4 I bought lol

[pine trench]

they just offset the buffs to other places

like when you explore the open world, you can touch a rock and it unlocks a perma attack buff for the region

[marsh charm]

oh nice

[pine trench]

base edition is 54$ on keysites, I can suggest it for that if you enjoyed 1

u+ is mandatory btw, the game's graphics are cooked

[marsh charm]

AI Limit's DLC is going to be cool too

[pine trench]

didnt play that yet

[marsh charm]

just the usual then lol

[pine trench]

well usually u+ is a bonus, here its mandatory

[marsh charm]

Wuchang looks bad without u+ too

I should try preset M with denoiser disabled tho

[exotic kelp]

Does the game have any anti cheat or can I use reno online?

[sullen terrace]

Ur safe to use Renodx in this game Online. I use it and played coop with a friend without issue

[exotic kelp]

perfect

[lime jolt]

encountered a progression breaking bug where a grey smoke wall just prevents me from progressing on the final level, so so frustrating

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13359893615227618354/AF7B9301171CA7003B5A4BCDDA83D35479C44971/

[pine trench]

is there a suicide item

surely that would fix it

also is that kasha, nice

wheel waifu is in the game

[lime jolt]

tried suicide, reloading, jumping, ninja teleport, everything

[pine trench]

I have a bat I run on demand to backup saves every hour, didnt run it in a long time

but now that I know nioh3 has a chance of locking progression

might have to start backing up saves

https://github.com/marat569/gamesavebkp

you setup the variables in the bat, and then make a windows task

::Location of the saves -- FOLDER THAT GETS BACKED UP
set PATH=C:\Users\desktop\Documents\KoeiTecmo\Wolong

LMAO the github build is Wo Long

how the turn tables turned

[deft eagle]

The game also creates a single backup first load of each game session, which isn't enough if its during an hours session, but it is there

[pine trench]

@lime jolt did it fix itself?

[lime jolt]

Nope still can't continue

[pine trench]

make a post on the steam forums

and see if there is a bug report

[lime jolt]

Did both, and sent in a bug report ticket as well, KT asked for my saves and I haven't heard back

[pine trench]

can you like

force mission complete with a cheat

like try to backup your save

and find a kill all cheat or no-clip cheat

maybe if you no-clip through the wall

it will somehow progress?

backup your save

[lime jolt]

I'll try that all tomorrow

[indigo narwhal]

yeah that wall is supposed to lock you in to that fight gauntlet not lock you out, i tried to replicate it twice

as a general rule uh don't listen to anything marat says

returning from the mission and doing it again still has that wall pop up too early?

maybe uninstall nioh3fix if youre using that framerate adjustment feature

[lime jolt]

Yeah it does, it's also an issue on the old medicine sidequest

That's where I first noticed it

[indigo narwhal]

looking through the nexusmods comments i'm seeing a lot of reports of broken progression due to the mod so i would uh yeah uninstall it immediately if you have it

elevators not working in certain missions

not just the framerate adjustments but the lod adjustments as well

it's possible they like, tie the script that starts that gauntlet to a certain object being loaded in so if you've made things load in further away the fight's going to start sooner than it should

[lime jolt]

can confirm it was Nioh 3fix

[elfin apex]

oh man i was only using nioh 3 fix for the menu framegen, what a bummer if it's causing all these issues even with the other features off.

[pine trench]

time to get to work maintaining nioh3

anybody have requests

[pine trench]

203 nit sdr in hdr (with trc fix/2.2 gamma) reference

[pine trench]

I think leaving the B parameter alone, and nudging the gamma offset is better than b * 0.3 which crushes too much based on desmos

found bloom

stock bloom vs. half strength vs. 0 strength (off)

(ignore the blue artifacts, they appear whenever I enable lilium's analsys tool)

[pine trench]

Update submitted as a PR, if anybody wants to use the build for now; here it is:

[pine trench]

@marsh charm you where having issues with crushed detail, I undid ritsu's "paramater hack"

you can try that with 2.2 gamma (default), and if something is too dark or too bright; just move the new gamma slider in UserColorGrading

[pale crater]

bloom slider?

[pine trench]

yes

its there

[pine trench]

.

[pale crater]

Mb thanks ill try it

[pine trench]

the bloom slider only goes down .. idk anybody that would want to increase KT bloom

let me know if the new gamma slider at 1.03 is preferable to the old mod's way of "decreasing brightness"

if the bloom shader had the game render sampled inside of it, I could added really cool custom bloom thats smart and avoids dark pixels

but the bloom gets blended a special way, so for now its just a regular linear strength slider

[indigo narwhal]

youre good dog i dont want to run your code

[deft eagle]

Oooh can't wait to play again in a few days with these improvements

[pine trench]

yea ima start the game in a few days, so I'm "cleaning up" the mod

[marsh charm]

Thanks! 🙏 I will test it tonight

[pine trench]

this should work out of the box, even with 2.2; but if you dont like it you can either turn 2.2 off or mess with the gamma offset

[pale crater]

i play nioh 2 with 25% bloom using a mod

KT bloom is the worst ive ever seen

[glacial quiver]

I yeeted bloom off 😂

[deft eagle]

Nioh 3 has its flaws and I do think I still prefer 2 somewhat, but its a fantastic game. Just wish it was longer... forcing myself to take breaks so I don't finish too quickly

[sturdy solar]

remember nioh 2 launched with all the dlc on pc

[pine trench]

I didnt play nioh2 pre-DLC

Hell I didnt even do the nioh2 DLC missions, I went straight to the underworld when I got to DOTN and fought all of the DLC bosses there; dlc3's last boss was floor 50

(I guess I farmed a couple of DLC missions on the easiest difficulty to get a skill book, but that doesn't count)

but polly told me pre-dlc nioh2 was better than pre-dlc nioh3

[pine trench]

mystery solved why sdr is darker than hdr

went down a whole rabbit hole researching

tl;dr sdr default brightness settings match 2.4 gamma

when you enable hdr, you get srgb gamma, which is more or less "similar" to 2.2

the differnce between 2.2 and 2.4 is just per-channel contrest

latest commit added a bt1886/2.4 slider for people that really want the dark sdr look; but the preferable option is 2.2 + moving the colorgrading gamma slider up to what you like -- since thats also a gamma offset; but luminance based so it doesnt crush

tl;dr 2.2 gamma is techinacly correct, its just the game defaults to 2.4 in sdr with default brightness for some reason; so if ya'll like that crank up gamma

[deft eagle]

Ive not played the dlc yet and am only referring to ng content, I've actually been saving the dlc so i still have something new to try

[indigo narwhal]

dont skip it like marat please

utterly insane behavior

[pine trench]

time to start playing nioh3 for realsies

ima set NVCP's fps limit to 120 just to be safe; but polly said 60 -> 120 (2x fg) doesnt grief the AI so I'll just prayge that stays stable

[indigo narwhal]

let us know how unsatisfying playthrough 1's difficulty is for an elite nioh 2 gamer like yourself

[deft eagle]

The world mobs are definitely easy. Some bosses do give me a hard time though

[indigo narwhal]

no it definitely is outside of a couple of wall boss fights

ng+ brings the general difficulty back up to where id expect

main thing is you just dont take very much damage in playthrough 1

so i think that's more or less fine in terms of striking a balance of not alienating noobs too much and keeping the meat there for the longtime fans

[indigo narwhal]

damn bro hilarious

anyway if youve had the displeasure of knowing marat for any length of time he's about to turn this channel into his personal blog and venting room

[deft eagle]

I think its less the damage and more the aggression personally. Enemies frequently have long pauses or waits between combos or attacks

[pine trench]

I Dont like too much spoilers, but are there "missable kodama" like Nioh2, where I'd have to re-do the whole ass campaign mission if I miss one

or since this is open world its not that big of a deal?

[indigo narwhal]

seemed about the same as 2 to me in that regard

[pine trench]

I just unlocked the shrine I can level up at, which has the battle scrolls; and a collectibles list

so yea gotta cehck every corner

[deft eagle]

Only area I've really found where you'd need to redo it to find them is the crucibles. They don't seem to really be in battle scrolls, at least most of them

[pine trench]

idk what that is, but I'm having fun so far

the world yokai seem easier though

in nioh2 on NG gakis would fuck me up

here I'm just clapping every "non-elite" with light + heavy

but I'm having a lot of fun coming from code vein 2; so no complaints tbh

I feel like the play is to just enjoy the game, and forget about nioh2/stop comparing everything the game does differently to nioh2

[deft eagle]

It definitely is, its an incredibly fun game, they just need to up world mob aggression a bit

[pine trench]

I wonder when I get onmyo, I'm pumping magic because I remember in nioh2 you'd buff yourself with talismans regardless of build/weapon

also the odachi scales iwth magic, so its a win win

I really like the new/ronin-styled scaling system; where instead of having A magic scaling, all weapons scale equaly accross 3 stats

in Nioh2 they eventually added an affix that let weapons drop with whatever scaling you want, but thats already post-game udnerworld tier shit

[glacial quiver]

there is a pretty broken omyo build under ninja i mostly run that when farming, for regular consistent play its not that great since you'll run out of magic too quickly XD

[pine trench]

I'm not looking for broken, I just remember buffing myself with like 4 talismans before a boss

and leveling magic = more slots

I remember using a barrier talisman, another talisman, buffing my weapon with purity or an element, a familiar

if this game is the same, 2 element debuffs = confusion which is really stronk

[sturdy solar]

I'm just gonna say the enhanced shrapnel bomb is the single best skill in the game lol

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855613497542049793/1471615966004777154/Nioh_3_2026-02-12_22-10-55.mp4?ex=69ad3e6b&is=69abeceb&hm=9e94d91aa4f6a510064bee1206946c4efeab14c016414209f1e6539b1db9499f&

[tranquil heron]

The anime parry with katana(forgot name) is dope too

[tranquil heron]

If u level exploration level for an area they will show on map

[pine trench]

yea I noticed that

its pretty awesome

also your character has a kodama tracker built in, so if you're near one you see them on the minimap even if you found none

[tranquil heron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/s/rY2xZwiecX it works little different

[pine trench]

I try to have as little info as possible, but ty

I just run the game and figure things out

[tranquil heron]

Ok sorry then

[pine trench]

nah d.w

also I try to avoid googling things for games I'm invested in because there's been a few times I'd google a simple thing

and the first suggested result would be

SPOILER NAME LAST BOSS FIGHT

EVIL [BEST FRIEND's NAME] LAST BOSS FIGHT

[tranquil heron]

Yup that sucks

Im taking a break rn got a little overwhelmed as im the person that needs to explore every inch. Playing nioh1 rn for first time and im having ton of fun

[pine trench]

I did that for code vein 2

before progressing the main story

I did every single side objective the game let me do

doing that here too

its just how I play these games

[tranquil heron]

I got around 80 hours and i dont struggle on bosses or exploration but will get back coz its ton of fun and the combat is just chef's kiss

[pine trench]

I just started

at 8 hours or so

[deft eagle]

I do struggle on bosses sometimes, especially cause my finger joints can lock up on me but never in world. I've died in world of course but never really felt pressured. Agree that the combat is great though... and love ninja. Definitely see myself going through the new game plusses once more are out and doing multiple playthroughs

[tranquil heron]

Ye ninja style especially after playing ninja gaiden 4 is a good feeling

[glacial quiver]

Input is pretty broken right now

[deft eagle]

Definitely had deaths to the game ignoring inputs yeah. Though i have actual joint issues so sometimes its me and moving my fingers just gets difficult

Or painful

[pale crater]

yes

[pine trench]

ty, I kept going back with the ones I had

[tranquil heron]

Iirc you will get popup when u get one that can access

[sullen terrace]

anyone else feel like this mod crushes shadows too much? i beat the whole game with it ignoring any issues I may have had bc the game's fun and still looks better than SDR.

This is inside Hamamatsu Castle near the shrine w/ default settings. Can barely see the books or that corner/side of the room directly above my character's head

[marsh charm]

try adjusting the gamma

[sullen terrace]

Just seeing this, gamma slider on the renodx menu? mod overwrites in-game sliders no?

[pine trench]

@sullen terrace is this the old mod? looks like it, because the black is straight up rip

here try this

the current repo build is griefed

[sullen terrace]

Probably, I think I was just using whichever one was off of Nexus Mods

[pine trench]

oh thats the rip build

[sullen terrace]

If that ones not update where should I look for latest revisions? I have the clshortfuse renodx github library bookmarked

but it also didnt look updated

[pine trench]

gonna have to put a psa on nexus

nobody likes maintaining nexus, but sadly people download from there

[sullen terrace]

Totally can understand that yeah

so other than here does this stay updated with these builds too? https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

I had this bookmarked too i check sometimes

downloaded the one u shared here with me and i'll be checkin it tonight, so thank you. assuming default settings are fine?

[pine trench]

the list usually goes

-> bleeding edge discord

-> snapshots on github (sometimes shortfuse takes weeks to merge something, like this isnt merged yet)

-> literally anyywhere else

->

->

->

-> nexusmods is like last years version because nobody here maintains nexusmods

[sullen terrace]

got it, ty

idk that i had bleeding edge discord

[pine trench]

you're going to have to update to the latest reshade btw

[sullen terrace]

i do have the latest

6.7.3

[pine trench]

if your mod isnt named nioh3-dev, its the griefed version

[sullen terrace]

renodx-nioh3 was what i currently have

so i'll just remove it and replace with the new one

[pine trench]

yea thats the griefed version

delete that and use the one I sent

[sullen terrace]

should i uninstall reshade first and reinstall it?

[pine trench]

no

plug and play

[sullen terrace]

ok cool i thought so

thanks man

[pine trench]

if you want it to be a bit darker, crank up the gamma slider (not EOTF emulation, there is a colorgrading slider named gamma)

the current mod's darkness is a "bug"

[sullen terrace]

gotcha

actually shoot, looks like i gotta update reshade bc i had old version installed for nioh 3

[pine trench]

here

[sullen terrace]

im using OptiScaler bc i have a 9070 xt, so optiscaler is dxgi.dll

think reshade is Reshade64.dll here

[pine trench]

yea the entire reno codebase (and all new versions of mods) requires 6.7.3 now; since thet had an api update

[pine trench]

just rename that to reshade64.dll then

[sullen terrace]

ok cool

thanks

[pine trench]

optiscaler good stuff

[sullen terrace]

yeah i use it for every game that i cant get fsr4 into

[pine trench]

I used it in codevein 2 for optifg to add XessFG (the game had no FG)

xessfg is awesome

I'm on nvidia so I use DLSS FG when its avaliable, but XeSS FG is like almost as good and I have no complaints

[sullen terrace]

yeah i used it instead of amd fg and it works really well, sometimes better than amd's

i dont use FG in Nioh 3, dnt rlly need it to hit 120

gpu paired with a 9800x3d

[pine trench]

I'm playing 60 -> 120

[sullen terrace]

ah ok

[pine trench]

I'm a 14900k + 5090

[sullen terrace]

mine felt horrible doing that

idk why

cuz i tried it, so then i just opted for optimized graphics settings to typically stay between 117-120

[pine trench]

if the game didnt have a hard fps cap you always had to be at, I'd crank it up to something else

[sullen terrace]

some areas it will drop to 90s but cant help that, games heavy

[pine trench]

ah all ultra here

60 -> 120 I'll never drop below 60 = no slowdowns / AI memes

I can prolly try 3x MFG though for fun

[sullen terrace]

yeah for w/e reason the amd fg in nioh 3 feels bad when doing 60-120

way less smooth and choppy

i even use RTSS for frame cap which helps fg usually, but it still was bad

[pine trench]

nowadays I just use nvidia's framelimiter

its pretty good, only downside is it resets on driver update

but its a backup fps limiter, since the game needs an fps limit set or else the delta time is rip

[sullen terrace]

Amd’s fg sometimes just hard garbage frametimes unless u use RTSS so i just always set async framerate limit with it

[pine trench]

btw can you actually see

with the updated mod

[indigo narwhal]

(pretty sure the game is already using the reflex limiter and using anything else breaks pacing)

[sullen terrace]

reflex cant be used by amd gpus obviously which is what im on. have to use optiscaler to get antilag 2 working

[indigo narwhal]

In any case I was not able to get smooth camera movement with any sort of external limiter

Profoundly fucked up engine

[olive moon]

i haven't been any issues with framepacing using either fsr fg or xefg targeting 60 -> 120

xefg performs noticeably worse though

[indigo narwhal]

If I tried to like, set the in-game limiter to 240 and cap to 120 with nvcp or rtss reflex mode it would just not be stable vs just not fucking with anything

Briefly messed with some of display commanders features and I think that worked okay but I just do not care

It works as-is so best not to touch it

[pine trench]

I'm running no mods, just using the ingame settings (that where a bit weirdge to setup)

like the fps limit option changes depending on your FG setting

but so far very happy with 2x -> 120

might try 3x -> 180

[indigo narwhal]

Get outta here stinky

What do you mean might try dog it takes half a minute to test

Grandmas GPU should handle it fine

[pine trench]

@sullen terrace these are my settings, I slightly cranked up the gamma to 1.05; but you can drop it down if you want it brighter;

https://i.imgur.com/ZzOVk1p.png

the mod ships with defaults at 1.03 "gamma"

[sullen terrace]

I use the True Black 400 mode on my monitor because the peak 1000 isnt as good on mine. Calibrated it clips at 450 nits so thats what my peak brightness default is, game brightness defaults to 111 so I wouldnt make it darker going to 1.05. I might lower the gamma slightly

[pine trench]

@sullen terrace the gamma slider is a mix of exposure and contrast; you can just set it at 1.0 if you want

musa plays games on true black 400, with a 100 nit paper white; in a dark room you still get 4x+ range so its a solid experiance

[sullen terrace]

Yeah might try that out later. It still seemed somewhat dark at 1.03 so I might even try just reinstalling everything to see if it helps. I also sometimes play in a lit room, so I can try tonight with lights out

Thx though man, it was def better than the old build though

[pine trench]

I assume you're on a qd oled monitor

since you mentioned tb 400

cant imagine playing something dark in a lit room with that, esp if there is direct light hitting the monitor

[pine trench]

the only "mechanical" complaint I have is stuff like the odachi (all weapon specific skill skill trees tbh) are tied to samurai locks

in Nioh2 you earned skill points for a weapon by using that weapon; so you could max out all the weapons. Locks where only used for samurai, ninjutsu, and onmyo (they where special)

I know we have infinite re-specs for free at the bonfire, but it would be nice to mess around with different weapons without going through a bunch of menus to undo odachi points and put it into idk the katana

imo having all your weapons maxed out doesnt make you stronger, since you really only use 1 (or two with the mastery); just like the other games

its not the end of the world since I usually stick to one weapon; but it would streamline things imo

The weapon trees feel a lot smaller compared to 2 though, so maybe just playing the game you get more than enough samurai locks for atleast 2 weapons

[naive widget]

that has it's own downsides tho

swapping weapons in that case means you go from a full unlocked one to nothing

[pine trench]

how is that any different from right now?

I have skill points in the odachi, swap to katana; and its empty

iirc the point system scaled by amrita gained; so you'd get a lot of the early points FAST

[naive widget]

well right now you can just swap the points

[pine trench]

I remember doing the achievement in Nioh2 to get X profficiency in all weapons, and iirc you had to do all the dojo missions fo rall weapons (maybe just points)

and it didnt take long at all

[pine trench]

I mean killing 3 yokai isnt exactly hard

[naive widget]

Yea I mean if it's that quick then it's w/e

[pine trench]

I dont know of locks are front loaded, or you get a consistent ammount all game; but if they give you multiple weapons worth of locks; thats fine

[naive widget]

they do

[pine trench]

also I'm not exactly complaining, just felt like the old system was cooler

[naive widget]

yea that's fair

also just swapping points over to a different weapon doesn't necessarily mean anything if you don't use the unlocked combos

[pine trench]

it was fairly fast, and you'd get like a ton of points just wacking a end game monster with 0 skill points

ofcourse it tapers down, but as a whole skill tree points was not really an issue

[naive widget]

using the weapon and unlocking them gradually feels more natural as you learn to use them as you unlock them

[pine trench]

thats what I'm saying

[naive widget]

aye yea

[pine trench]

no harm in having all weapons like nioh2, since you'd only use 1 or 2 weapons

so it just made it comfier

for post game you still had to get the affix, fuck what was it called

let me find a nioh2 build progress video I recorded

Mystic Dyad (Weapon Name)!

every weapon had lets call them super talent point, that normally you could have only 1 of

but in super post game DLC, items could drop with a "Mystic Dyad (odachi)" affix; which let you learn both of them -- which for some weapons is huge

[naive widget]

I think my 1 complaint with nioh 3 is that it just felt

too easy

there was 1 boss that farmed me but other than that it felt kinda easy

compared to other soulslikes

[pine trench]

ngl I dont use ninja (not because I heard its op, but because I dont want to play a ninja) so samurai only with an odachi

and I just killed turbo baba

[naive widget]

ninja just starts off stronger

[pine trench]

I got clapped a few times, but it wasnt anything crazy

[naive widget]

at least that's how it felt to me

ended up playing mostly samurai towards the end

[pine trench]

the big thing is, idk if I was just worse than I am now (still not good at these games)

[naive widget]

the samurai combat is just toooooo good

[pine trench]

but in Nioh2, the first mission with the mezuki boss

the enki and yoki would shit on you

[naive widget]

could be as well

I also thought i just got better at these games

but i was messing around in elden ring shortly before nioh 3

and nah i got deleted

[pine trench]

I came into nioh3 after code vein 2, which is just mash 1 button to win

[naive widget]

so still just as bad as ever

[pine trench]

and mostly playing oldschool runescape outside of that

so my action rpg skills where rusty

after Nioh3, back to OSRS prison