Baldur's Gate 3

[river marlin]

oh no, seeing something like best pc monitor

now i'm intrigued

[night river]

c6h is tandem right?

[river marlin]

i'd need a bigger desk to fit all my chonky stuff on

[night river]

not the normal c6

[river marlin]

i do not have space for that shit

[strange lark]

Nice what speakers

Get you a subwoofer

Buy 4 little ones and place them all around you

[river marlin]

Triangle Borea 03, great speakers that don't sound flat and boring. Good for games and content consumption

[strange lark]

I had 3 going

[strange lark]

I actually found that flat was better for games, more detail revealing I think

[odd flower]

still need a new secondary monitor . this is what it looks like with the lights off (camera exposure boost but still)

[river marlin]

I had a sub under my desk, loved kicking my feet up on it. 12", way too big for pc gaming but kind of insane at the same time. it was so much fun

[strange lark]

That’s the ticket

[odd flower]

that's "black" on my second display

[river marlin]

my landlords could hear it though so i moved it to my home theater setup

[strange lark]

🤣

[strange lark]

Nice lol

[river marlin]

I used to use KEF R3 Metas on my desk

[strange lark]

I’m using a Q990F soundbar at my desk, that is best audio you can have at a desk

[river marlin]

but they sound way bigger than they look, too big for a desk

[strange lark]

Short of $5000+

[odd flower]

i have 5.1.4

[strange lark]

Nice!

[odd flower]

don't ask wear the center speaker is though

(it's under the desk)

my knees get a good listen

[river marlin]

ahaha

[strange lark]

Pro-tip: you don’t need a center when you are seated on axis and, if you remove it it will spread the sounds to left and right widening the soundstage and increasing immersion

Centers are only needed for big rooms

[river marlin]

i ran fiber optic HDMI to my TV so if i wanna play games with good audio i just grab a controller and do it there

apologies for shameless setup pics

[strange lark]

That’s nice

[river marlin]

i wanna get two svs subs but i only get to watch loud movies when my landlords go away

even with just this one you put on oppenheimer and it's 🤯

[odd flower]

there's a couch behind me, but center does give a feel like the sound is coming from the display. but the real work are the .4 above me to give the wearing-headphones-feel without headphones

[strange lark]

Also if you have stands try to get the surround speakers equidistant and equiangular behind your head

[strange lark]

Dang that’s a lot of work

I am thinking of using mic stand to hand height above my head

[river marlin]

Me toeing my speakers in just right to get that ooey gooey phantom center

[strange lark]

Yep

[river marlin]

I have my PC up against a wall right now, otherwise maybe i'd consider surround at my desk

ok one more pic

of the audio stack

is a lil messy right now but

[strange lark]

See if you can put the surrounds behind you on stands at 45 degree angle, it’s the only way to get true center back sounds

[strange lark]

What is that?

[odd flower]

they are

[strange lark]

🙌🙌

[river marlin]

the audio stuff or the network stuff

[strange lark]

You’re only other person I’ve ever heard do it

[strange lark]

The network

[river marlin]

I host my own automated streaming and media request service

among other things

and a fuck ton of storage

[strange lark]

This was me, my rig is at the office, don’t ask:

[river marlin]

The receiver on its side made me chuckle

[strange lark]

But yeah no one who has not done equidistant and equiangular has ever heard surround before

Those speakers are flat down to 30hz

[river marlin]

you'd laugh at my rear surrounds right now. They're old british mission electronic bookshelfs that have the tweeter mounted on the bottom

[odd flower]

this is essentially my setup (thx chatgpt)

[river marlin]

so they hit the couch cushions 💀

[strange lark]

Ah, and the surrounds are toed in at the chair I hope? See if you can move them up when you use them so there are no holes, equidistant with the fronts prevents holes in soundfield

Toe in the fronts at the chair as well

Speakers are only timbre and phase accurate in a small sweet spot directly out of the cone

[river marlin]

I wanna do this and play around with them more, but first i'd have to replace the speakers. But probably the subs first.. I always consider the rear surrounds the runt of the litter

[odd flower]

they're pointed to me in the chair, but they're at 30" height (from base)

[river marlin]

it's true you can get some crazy imaging by positioning them right, but i only know of a few movies where i've really heard them take advantage

[strange lark]

Movies ? Games!

Games are the real surround

[odd flower]

10x12 is just bouncy anyway

[river marlin]

ahh ok yeah games it makes a lot more sense

[strange lark]

When someone walks behind me in games now I startle

[odd flower]

i used to have that in my old basement setup

where it was like 15x30 sized room and the rears were far enough

now 10x12 and more for music

[river marlin]

goddamn it now i feel like i should be doing more with the audio at my desk 💀

[strange lark]

But honestly I sold all that bc the Q990F is almost as good for 1/4 the price open box

It’s the best soundbar on the market

Comes with sub and surrounds

Then I added two front channels to widen it

[river marlin]

I don't think i've ever heard a soundbar with convincing surrounds yet

or do you mean it comes with like

separate physical speakers

[strange lark]

Yes

[river marlin]

ah ok

that's fair

yeah soundbars are kind of great these days in general when combined with other speakers

I got my parents a KEF XIO and they love it

[strange lark]

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/samsung-q-series-soundbar-hw-q990f

[odd flower]

i have a Samsung HW-S801D and i hate it

[river marlin]

and when i go over there to watch TV, I get to love it too xD

[strange lark]

The sub is non localizable

[odd flower]

but it's for my bedroom and it's white

[strange lark]

Just trust me that this is better heh

It’s room shaking

The bass sounds like it’s coming from on top of my desk not the floor where the sub is

[river marlin]

temporo have you ever tried atmos for headphones

[strange lark]

It’s honestly perplexing

[strange lark]

I heard these techniques ain’t great, are they?

I tried pre-made HRTF functions

[river marlin]

most are not. In a select few instances, they can be ok

[strange lark]

I have never heard a headphone get true center back

The one that is good is Impulcifier but you have to measure it

[odd flower]

the only reason i have the S801D is because i want a white one with subwoofer

[river marlin]

Yeah, you basically need one of these for it to actually be good, plus custom HRTF

https://smyth-research.com/

[strange lark]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/s/80qr7aqAMj

[strange lark]

Yes!

[river marlin]

I tried one with my focal utopias

[strange lark]

Impulcifier is open source version of Realiser

[river marlin]

100% the most insane thing i have ever experienced

[strange lark]

People say it’s staggeringly good

[strange lark]

Wow!

That’s super validating

[river marlin]

that being said, there's still one big thing missing

[strange lark]

Ok so I bought all the gear in that Reddit thread and I had to stop configuring it for weird reasons

[strange lark]

You can add subwoofers and bass shakers to Impulcifier

[river marlin]

we hear various frequencies differently at different spl levels

headphones don't account for that at all

bass shakers yes

but ehhhh

nothing beats cranking a good 7.1 or higher setup and just going wow i'm at the movies kinda vibe

[strange lark]

I mean how do you handle that with speakers, crank the sub?

[river marlin]

No, you just set the volume to -10db or whatever seems about right

[strange lark]

Yes

Gain

[river marlin]

i'm sure there's a more tehcnically correct way of doing it, but if things are matched and calibrated

it sounds amazing

[strange lark]

I have $2400 worth of subwoofers under my desk right now and the Q990F bass is more convincing

[river marlin]

Anyway, I have to remind myself to be happy with what i have sometimes. The triangle borea 03s sound great and have a punchy and fun sound without being too bassy and pissing off my landlords

[river marlin]

that's wild

I wanna get a couple of SVS subs eveentually

[strange lark]

The Kef subs get deeper

[river marlin]

the force canceling ones?

I love kef speakers

[strange lark]

Yes

[river marlin]

The KEF R6 is the best center channel I have ever heard

[strange lark]

But the Kef subs just aren’t meant for this

[river marlin]

it's so like

[strange lark]

At reference bass they are too low

[river marlin]

i'm just teleported into whatever i'm watching with the way dialogue sounds

[strange lark]

At higher gain you can localize them

I can max the Samsung sub and I can’t localize it

[strange lark]

Yes I heard the triangles are good

[river marlin]

How would i explain the triangles

imagine someone set out to make a speaker with a V-Shape sound signature, but it's for audiophiles, and it doesn't suck ass

it just sounds good and you're happy to listen to them every time you sit down

because you don't have to overthink it

you can just enjoy

[strange lark]

Watch this

https://youtu.be/UJeWo5qoJoE?si=h4rziwSfHwigB0w1

[river marlin]

ppl coming in here looking for baldur's gate renodx discussion are gonna be sorely dissappointed 🤣

[strange lark]

He compared them to $5000 Genelecs and they still won every blind listening test

But he found out it’s bc of V-curve

[river marlin]

ok gonna watch and then i have to get some sleep

[river marlin]

It makes sense if it's done subtly enough

I'm really sensitive to v shape speakers and headphones, i have never ever liked them

more interested in detail retrieval, mids, and the overall vibe

i use utopia (2022s) and i really like them

the triangles though just kind of do their magic and it's gud and you can just do whatever you sat down to do without thinking about the sound

[strange lark]

The shitty Klipsch’s I have outcompeted speakers that cost me 10X more bc they were flat

I returned the other speakers

[river marlin]

ye, i use RP600M IIs for my side surrounds

I like them 🤷‍♂️

definitely kefs for the front though

[potent sentinel]

Is it normal that preset 1 (all of them tbh) is heavily crushing details? I've never had this issue in other games

nvm it was the sdr eotf emulation 2.2

[short frost]

:((

thought forge went sicko mode lmao

[vivid yacht]

Yeah i have two samsung flagship soundbars not that q990f but maybe a couple years older. They are plenty for a smallish space. I know full separates are better but

[random oak]

I think I have the N850 + Subwoofer and it's doing quite well for it's age

[river marlin]

I'm using a $500 sub i bought from future shop before it closed down 💀

But you know what, it extends lower than anything else you can get for reasonable money these days and it still works perfectly fine + it's big at 12"

[river marlin]

Yeah, if you swap BG3 back to SDR you basically get the same crushed details, though I've actually been leaving it on as the amount of times it actually removes detail as opposed to making it very hard to see isn't that frequent for me

Cyberpunk is a game where I don't do that and leave the SDR EOTF emulation off, but in BG3 I keep it on to look more like the SDR experience

[random oak]

Is that a franchise that died like Blockbuster?

[random oak]

so reaches the lowest of lows?
I have a huge subwoofer in my storage, but it has some weird Teufel connectors, so no idea if I can use it in another system somehow... Didn't have the motivation to check yet 😄

[river marlin]

Not all the way down to 20 hz but i think 22

or something like that

It sounds pretty good though i admittedly haven't ever compared a proper dual subwoofer setup against it

[strange lark]

Which sub

[short frost]

btw does it matter what u set brightness/contrast to for the ingame hdr calibration when using reno?

[random oak]

no they get overwritten by Reno, it is quite rare that a game keeps the HDR controls, ForzaH 6 is a recent rare example

[short frost]

ah gotcha ty

im just a lil confused because when turning on/off presets it doesn't seem to be changing/applying for some reason

[random oak]

that shouldn't happen, do you even see a difference with the Reno addon installed vs not?

[short frost]

dont think so

are u able to see the changes live when messing with settings or do i need to reload a save or something

[random oak]

changes should be instant

@short frost what version of the game are you playing? DirectX11 or Vulkan?

[short frost]

vulk, followed the pinned instructions

[random oak]

is your Reshade green?

ingame

[short frost]

err idk what u mean

the addon is detected when i open the interface

[random oak]

which one does it look like? normal blue or green tint?

[short frost]

oh, normal

[random oak]

then you have installed normal Reshade, delete the dxgi.dll in your game folder and see if it makes the Vulkan version appear

of course game needs to be restarted

[short frost]

works perfectly now - appreciate you!

[strange lantern]

Well fellas I am just about done getting HZB culling working

From 60 to 100 FPS in Act 3

Need to fix some bugs and crashes

Then I shall do a Tracy for comparison

[random oak]

This really is like Bethesda games modders fixing the engine

[river marlin]

Klipsch SW-112

[random oak]

lul, the first thing that came up when I googled it, were 2nd hand sellers... a lot of them

[river marlin]

a lot of people have the 10 and not the 12, it's also an older cheaper sub that's big so

i can see why people would want to get rid of it

but the performance is fine

[random oak]

it seems to be the 12, no idea why so many are around for offer
there is even one that's been around since January and it's now down to 267 dollars, because nobody bought it x)

[river marlin]

i feel like there are often a lot of used subs and speakers around in general

[random oak]

good to save some money and not as much of a lottery ticket as TVs and co

[strange lark]

Why does it feel like I can see a lot more with WIP2 than the other previous Reno builds and Vanilla? Thanks @river marlin

[random oak]

The Vulkan build changes quite a lot about the image compared to the DX11 build, so that should be normal

[strange lark]

And overall we think those are all improvements? Thanks

[random oak]

for me? No
I added the HDRSaturation shader from Reshade, cause I don't like my game to be color dead
but most of the changes are pretty nice yeah

But that's what modding is, combine and do it how you like it

[strange lark]

try this earlier DX11 build from Forge that uses full PsychoV if you like saturation

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[strange lark]

i might try this HDR Saturation shader

it's DX11

the build

PsychoV

[random oak]

thx, but I will wait for the full refactor he is doing now anyway.
So who knows what state the game/mod will be in when Forge is finished 😄

[strange lark]

hm my BG just said "generating shader cache, this may take awhile" for the first time ever after installingt he HDR generation

and now it's crashed

HDR saturation

hope i don't gotta reinstall

[strange lark]

i can't wait to beat it lol so i am stuck using what i got

[random oak]

also I won't play DX11 anymore, with added dynamic shadows I get like 15 fps if too much torches are on screen
Vulkan easily manages over 60fps

[river marlin]

Yeah, this is the right approach, there are games where i prefer the original color and intent, and others where I just go "i like it better this way" and don't care

[river marlin]

it's ok, you'll end up replaying this game a lot

i recommend the full suite of UI mods, wasd camera, makes for a really fresh approach

the game feels different when you walk around with wasd

you don't feel like you're waiting for your character to get to where you clicked

i use a mix of both cameras

[strange lark]

i won't. I saved scummed and tried every dialog option

[river marlin]

can easily toggle with caps lock

[strange lark]

playing with origin characters is barely provdiing new scenes

[river marlin]

for me i eventually think of a fun idea for a character and then build a party around them

[strange lark]

Great, reinstalling Reshade has completely borked my installation where it can't complete shader recompile now

[river marlin]

also i like 100%ing games so i still have 3 achievements to go after 3 honor mode playthroughs and 1 tactician and 1000 hours

[river marlin]

that's odd, i'd just start fresh and uninstall both kinds of reshade

should fix it

[random oak]

most Reno mods need only like +5 to 10 contrast/saturation and I'm happy, but others go a little overboard with the neutral look, that's when I need to fiddle more 😉
I love OLEDs and colors to shine, not fry my eyes, but having that little special extra

[strange lark]

uinstalling Reshade fixed it

now i gotta reinstall

it was working with lastest Reno last night

[strange lark]

the issue on the new reno build is that some things like fire are already fully saturated can't take more

[river marlin]

I get that, I have color depth set to 55 on my display for a tiny extra kick

[random oak]

yeah I noticed that too
When the first beta of the new build comes out, I'm gonna test that again and let Forge know to give us an option to make everything neutral together, so we can Saturate ourselves as users (if it comes up again)

[river marlin]

I guess I didn't find any difference between the vanilla game colors and the reno mod so i left it

[strange lark]

the mod is warmer which is usually good

[river marlin]

for some things like fire and vfx with highlights it looks liek it just fixes the color to what it should have been all along

but i don't notice any overall shift

[strange lark]

it removes pink

[river marlin]

the lighting effects change the way things look and get lit but overall it still looks about the same

yeah, that

it's not just a general + or - sat is what i'm saying

[strange lark]

Ok, the HDR Saturation slider is making saturation more like how it was in the Reno build I posted, it's great

ShortFuse said that since the average person loses color vision as theyage that we should actuallybe setting it higher

[river marlin]

that feels like an excuse to crank saturation and not feel bad

/s

I just go with whatever looks natural

Often that's like 52 or 50

[strange lark]

now if I could just get the facial shadows fix

feel like that is needed more than the LOD

in a game with so many custcenes

[river marlin]

i still find the final image to look better even with buggy shadows lol

[random oak]

it's on the agenda next after LODs and Draw Calls

[river marlin]

so i'm using it

can't wait for another build here. I'm playing actively so happy to help test stuff out 🙂

[random oak]

Forge has already mentioned that the shit/old AO will get replaced with high quality modern AO

and shadows will get higher resolution and all that

it will be glorious

https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-crying-wipe-tears-gif-13314060

[strange lark]

The build I sent you has the highest clarity in bright scenes

[vivid yacht]

dude needs to fix his kofi wondering if a little jingle jangle could be some motivation

[strange lark]

the facial detail is incredible

[random oak]

it's more like the amount of projects than motivation xD
POE2 is stealing Forge from us!!!

[vivid yacht]

what build? I like forge's build especially without the hero lighting which was absurd

the highlights seem a little more subtle than in musas

been down for like two months

[strange lark]

Forge built this, it was on Nexus for awhile, first one he did:

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the thing about the saturation is that the people look actually alive when you increase it

I would use that build but there's a minor bug

think i'm just going to go back it makes the most sense to me visually

right now there is a big divide between highlight saturation and normal saturation oh i can try the highilght saturation on the new build

d'oh

now back to needing faces fixd lol

@river marlin i don't see any shadow options in the latest WIP build

[random oak]

Vulkan has it:

[strange lark]

Where do I find that? Thanks

[random oak]

WIP Rendering Test 2 in the pins of this channel

[strange lark]

But I’m using that..this is crazy

I just downloaded and dragged and dropped into my game folder

I’ll do it again

ok figured it out

the post that the pinned post links to that contains the Reshade.dll still contains and old Reno buld i think

[random oak]

[strange lark]

Oh no

This build is even more desaturated than the previous! LOL

HDRSaturation slider is a must

[random oak]

WotC are a hive of horrible decisions, let's hope they don't destroy this classic

[strange lark]

Is the reason you say they’re bad the woke stuff

Or are they doing other stuff I really don’t know.

[river marlin]

there's some truly ridiculous stuff they've updated that never bothered anyone until they made it a thing

It's like they found problems with the content that weren't there to begin with

They had a big problem with the idea of "biological essentialism". Some changes like shifting from race to species I think is actually kind of fair, because race implies subraces among a common species, whereas a githyanki is a fundamentally a different albeit humanoid species

But this is probably not the place for that discussion

nor do i even like discussing it tbh, it's not why i play D&D xD

[strange lark]

I it just feels ridiculous to say the whole company is bad over one politically correct decision

They were smart enough to let Karan make BG and do whatever they wanted so

Hopefully, they’ll get this right

[river marlin]

yeah, it'd be fun to play BG2 but it would be even nicer if they remade it with a modern ruleset or the option to choose legacy/new

[strange lark]

there is zero chance it will use the old ruleset

They’re not going back to 2E Advanced

[river marlin]

yeah i should hope not

[random oak]

Yeah I'm not gonna rattle of all their shenanigens here, either you're in the know of the decisions they made in the last few years or you don't. Or if you're interested you can check it out yourself.

And no, the worst decisions had absolutely nothing to do with PC, nor was it just ONE decision.

[stark willow]

so ive tried the vk addon thats pinned, except i installed the reshade.dll into the games bin folder and renamed to dxgi, is that wrong? as i dont have a programdata reshade folder

and also the sliders in reno dont do anything for me, atleast in the main menu, ingame hdr should be on or off?

[random oak]

that's wrong
start the game once without the dxgi, let the Vulkan Reshade start, at the very least then the folder should appear

[stark willow]

ok so install reshade as vulkan like normal first

[random oak]

yes

that should give you the folder

[stark willow]

ok so ive done it like you said, got the folder now, started game once and then replace the file and so on, installed reno but sliders still dont do anything in main menu

[random oak]

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[stark willow]

it was green tint on the first startup, then once i replaced the .dll it became normal blue again

[random oak]

if you find any injection/hooking dll from reshade in the game folder, delete it

[stark willow]

i do have a dxgi.dll in the /bin

[random oak]

delete it, Vulkan injects globally from the ProgramData folder, it doesn't need the dll locally

[stark willow]

didnt see written anywhere that i gotta delete it, but how else does reshade then pull the reno addon

ok i have the green reshade now, no renodx in there tho

displaycommander addon works fine tho, exact same location as displaycommander is placed

[random oak]

did you move the windows around so it's not behind one another?

[stark willow]

20:03:05:115 [88556] | INFO | Loading add-on from 'F:\Steam\steamapps\common\Baldurs Gate 3\bin\renodx-baldursgate3-vk.addon64' ...
20:03:05:116 [88556] | WARN | No add-on was registered by 'F:\Steam\steamapps\common\Baldurs Gate 3\bin\renodx-baldursgate3-vk.addon64'. Unloading again ...

log from reshade

[random oak]

#🆘helpdesk message

[stark willow]

so its prob DC causing this huh, weird cuz in FH6 i was using them together fine

[random oak]

Vulkan might have problems with it, it's a complex machine all that x)

[stark willow]

ok finally works now how i expected, thx for the help @random oak ☝️

[random oak]

glad you got it working!

[short frost]

are u guys using smooth motion when playing

[random oak]

really not a game that needs it IMO, unless you want to fill like 500Hz or something

especially with the higher frames of the Vulkan version

[short frost]

ig im just surprised im only getting like 90fps on a 5070ti

playing on maxed settings and dlss quality but still, expected to hit 240 fairly easily because theres no rt/pt

[random oak]

DX/VK? What Act? 4k?

[short frost]

vk, act 1, 4k

[random oak]

preset K/M/L?

[short frost]

L

which is the heaviest sure, just overall still feels oddly low

[random oak]

Maybe try M and Balanced until Forge gives us the performance upgrade with the Engine rework 😉

oh right, what is your CPU?

[short frost]

yea true might need to drop dlss quality, it's funny there might just eb no perceived difference but the urge to crank the slider to max is hard to resist

[short frost]

9600x

ig that could be the culprit

[random oak]

yeah as Forge said the culling is horrid, but it shouldn't be thaaat bad in Act 1
But you would probably see some frames from a X3D

[stark willow]

im getting a weird visual bug, like a very bright yellow circle flashing on the screen once in a while

could this be a mod bug?

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/17611

i am using this as i saw someone link it

not sure if this could be causing it or if its something else

or could it be a reno bug since its WIP

[random oak]

I played like 1 hour with this mod and Vulkan, so it would be weird
do you have these switches?
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[stark willow]

yes i have them all on

well i just have the reno defaults on, i only changed ui brightness for now

[random oak]

was it me? shy 😂

[stark willow]

let me try to capture the bug im talking about

[stark willow]

maybe, i remember it was a long way up xd

im not using many mods at all

[strange lantern]

Aight

HZB is oofers at the moment discovered an issue that causes constant flickering, need a new approach

but I have RE'ed the relevant data

Also RE'ed and profiled everything else

I now have concrete evidence and ideas for refactoring CPU side code

but it will take weeks

also I need to read papers and docs

Outside of that I have RE'ed descriptors and Vulkan code

I now know why reshade side custom texture binding and shader passes were crashing

I can just bind and add custom shaders natively and they work fine, appear in devkit so its all verified as working

RE'ed shadows as well

game uses 512 or 256 during cutscenes for the character

Peak

Also have a mention for combing the 14 clustered deferred lighting shaders into 3 groups

3 groups all share the same code just split via tile classification

[strange lantern]

I will now be able to modify per group rather than per shader

[stark willow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[strange lantern]

and that should stop all the tile mismatching

[strange lantern]

waitTM for me to add native frameslopping

[random oak]

no fkin way man

[devout briar]

Wonder what kind of jank we will see in larians new game pepeSlop

[cobalt pewter]

Can't wait to have Renodx working on Bg3

[stark willow]

@random oak i assume u have way more knowledge of modding this game, so im currently using Better hotbar 2 which has ImpUI patch 8 slim as requirement, should i use patch 8 slim or patch 8 cc fixes latest ver

[random oak]

I hope they learned better, cause BG3 is just crazy embarrasing

[strange lantern]

PeakTM

[random oak]

I use this one
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/16649

according to the comments this is the most stable one

[stark willow]

thanks ill use that then

but no idea what could be causing stuff that's happening on that vid i sent?

[random oak]

Why!!? Does it really save that much performance?
No wonder that shiz flickers

[strange lantern]

Game has a 8K shadow atlas

but the indivdual shadows are low res

well main scene cascade is 2048

[random oak]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-gif-4600576945121607652

[short frost]

nyooo

now i have to decide what other game from my backlog of 50 to finish while waiting

https://tenor.com/view/mike-wazowski-mike-pog-pog-gif-154717314566640477

[random oak]

Yeah I have postponed my recent new start after Forge starting to refactor the game 😄
I'm ready for it to take months if it has to

worth it for the immersion/quality

[strange lantern]

The game is giga mega super duper giga CPU limited

[stark willow]

i think i figured out that dumb black box flicker issue i have, for me it was DLAA

[strange lantern]

70% CPU usage in act 3 on a 9800X3D like what

[stark willow]

dlss quality and no more flicker

[random oak]

yes that is the nr1 nono

[stark willow]

oh i wish i knew xd

dlss quality preset M it is then

[strange lantern]

So the game uses multiple worker threads and allat but the main thread is still serialised

[short frost]

ah i see

[strange lantern]

and something something it just blasts

[short frost]

thought i was going crazy

its weird tho tweaking anything but resolution/dlss seems to hardly make a diff

[strange lantern]

If you refactored and actually got the game to utilse vulkan fully, we are looking at like 10-15ms savings on the CPU

Their probes are ass cheeks as well

the ones they use for all of their scene lighting

[devout briar]

The game's highest settings feels like low/medium of other games ngl

[strange lantern]

and GI

They should send me source code

but I have RE'ed plenty myself anyways

so

Whole game is humstrung by DX11

legacy code

and rendering

[random oak]

WotC won't let them, they held Larian in a strict stranglehold
sadge

[strange lantern]

oh right

Fuyckers

[random oak]

it's why their mod SDK was not allowed to add scenarios/maps etc.

[random oak]

@river marlin

[strange lantern]

confirmed again by taking a Nsight capture specifically during level up and dialogue

yep

512x512

hair is 256x256

Peak

[random oak]

Oh I believe that immediately with how much that shit flickers...

please release us from that curse!

[strange lantern]

So I found the engine side shadow res selection

Assuming it doesnt blow up

might as well force 2048 at least

Still confused

why the "up close" shadows are lower res

than the ones used for gameplay

like

HOLY SHIT

I know why

Conslow mem limitations

Probably forgot to revise

and just went with it

[river marlin]

That is.. disturbing 💀

[strange lantern]

Ahh you see this is where things are naunced

its not just low res alone

most of the flickering is from the hair shadows

becasue of how they do alpha test

each strand of hair gets fucked

so in this scenario we need stochastic alpha using IS-FAST to fully solve the assery

higher res hair / smoother hair mod actually makes it worse

[wooden abyss]

@forge That all sounds like a lot of work you still have ahead of you. 😬

[strange lantern]

Thinking about replacing doo doo shadows

to use FFXVI shadow code

• ReSTIR sampled shadowmaps

I would also use amorisation + caching

so we get full shadowcasting for everything but with minimal cost

Game scene is static after all, 90% of lights dont move or change at all

Vanilla shadows are straight ass, One single shader that prepares CSMs and then they are instantly added to ClusteredLighting

No reprojection

no temporal sauce

Lighting I am going to improve their existing probe solution with higher res probes (rn they use 16x16 with one SH)

[wooden abyss]

That sounds very good. I'm really curious to see how BG3 looks and runs with your improvements.

[cobalt pewter]

Can't wait to do a new gameplay with such improvements

[short frost]

blud is poppin off

[random oak]

thank you for keeping them in mind, they are mandatory for current gen graphics feel

[stark willow]

what graphics enhancing mods would u recommend to use

i am playing BG3 for the first time but i do see some stuff like shadows being low res and stuff

[random oak]

Forge can fix that, normal mods won't

[random oak]

these are the basic ones, Textures from 1k to 4k
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/20021
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/18252

this one for actually good looking hair
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/10278

This one for dynamic shadows
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/17611

these are to make the camps not ugly
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/22501
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/21602
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/22427

[short frost]

ooo guess ill have to add them too

[random oak]

https://tenor.com/view/promise-gaurantee-true-detective-matthew-mcconaughey-hold-gif-16048839898980924709

[short frost]

love having my download speed capped at 1.5 MB/s by nexus

[random oak]

I pay for 1 month and then download all the heavy mods for my games, spend like 1 week only modding and then got the most out of it.. but yeah it's a pain

[stark willow]

appreciate it ill add them :D

[short frost]

btw @random oak when u tried the vulk addon did u tweak preset 1 at all

or used defaults

[random oak]

The only 2 Shaders from Reshade that I 100% recommend are clarity and HDRSaturation, the rest is super optional

[short frost]

oo interesting i have 45 contrast and 60 sat

i've never tried those other shaders let me give those a shot and see

[random oak]

Really? When I used the VK saturation slider, it turned the lighting yellow xD
that's why I switched to HDRSat, because it only changes models/etc.

[short frost]

mb i meant highlight sat at 60^

[random oak]

ahhh kk xD

[short frost]

same settings as u except the contrast, for some reason if i do above 45 it looks very harsh or too sharp

[random oak]

hey I'm not gonna judge if anyone likes piss filters 😄

[short frost]

i used to be an oversaturated andy when i first got my oled last year

ive been slowly reforming..

[random oak]

depends on our setups too, so that might as well be
I just really hate that grey feeling, so I almost always add 1-10 contrast depending on the game

[random oak]

My saturation/contrast journey only really began with OLED

[wooden abyss]

Are all the mods you recommended still worth using, even with RenoDX Vulkan?

I left all the settings in the middle—that works quite well so far.

[random oak]

especially with VK

dynamic shadows -> too many torches -> DX11 30 fps -> VK almost 100fps

and with Hero Lighting turned off, the dynamic lighting/shadows look even more wonderful, the 4k too

truly a current gen feeling, compared to the lackluster options of Vanilla

the camps use the beauty of the engine and assets that Larian made and put them to good use, instead of those barren camps that are probably because of Console restrictions.... 🙄

[short frost]

do u know what the shader packs are called for clarity/hdrsat/ambientlight

cant seem to find it on RHI