Arknights + AK Endfield

[strong vault]

no

[sturdy osprey]

not if you own 5090

5090 got like least perf bump from dlss 4.5

[strong vault]

DLAA Preset L is even heavy on 40/50 series users

[unkempt pulsar]

DLAA K runs faster than ultra perf L on my 4090, at least in ffxiv

[sturdy osprey]

idk last time i checked theres noticeable difference in perf hit between 5070ti and 5090

[strong vault]

I mean of course 5090 is gonna compute faster than a 5070ti but you gotta compare to Preset K on DLAA like Tawmy said

[sturdy osprey]

5090 has like what 1.5x faster memory than 4090?

[strong vault]

2nd Gen Transformer has higher ms cost scaling with resolution unlike CNN and 1st Transformer

Thats why Nvidia recommends M for Perfformance and L for Ultra Performance

[delicate pewter]

oh i should try that

[strong vault]

You can use it at other stuff even DLAA but it is just heavy af

[sturdy osprey]

gotta buy separate gpu for upscaling i guess

lsfg folks already doing it

[strong vault]

I would imagine nvidia would sell more tensor cores with no VRAM if they could actually do it

[sturdy osprey]

problem with upscalers is they need both memory speed and vram from what ive seen

[strong vault]

Yeah new one costs more vram too

[sturdy osprey]

cant chinese just steal hbm and transplant it to 5090s

prob not

hbm gotta cost like gold

[delicate pewter]

ok so for DLAA on the 4080 i should go with K, M or L?

[dusky wave]

no AA

[strong vault]

What resolution

[dusky wave]

[sturdy osprey]

try both K and M

if unsure

[dusky wave]

trashformer 1 griefs highlights

[sturdy osprey]

L seems overkill for dlaa

anyway

maybe its fine at 1080p idk

havent used that screen resolution in a decade

[strong vault]

4070 1440p DLAA Preset L vs K upscaler only

[sturdy osprey]

4.2ms wtf

[strong vault]

1440p performance L vs K

[sturdy osprey]

on 50xx should be about same

[strong vault]

yeah

[delicate pewter]

K is the preset that just keeps giving

[stable lava]

keeps giving ass

[delicate pewter]

ok, even at locked 60, K feels so much smoother than M

[dusky wave]

going back to trashformer 1 knowing that volumetrics are griefed and highlights are griefed

[stable lava]

i found one game where 4.5 is kill yesterday

deadline delivery with luma unreal

4.5 has big flicker issues on thin geometry (powerlines)

needs optiscaler's output scaling to make 4.5 an upscaler instead of luma's dlaa

[dusky wave]

CNN doodoo

trashformer 1 doodoo

trashformer 2 doodoo

back to fxaa

[stable lava]

smaa

[delicate pewter]

btw, is there any way to fix the coulours of rtx hdr?

[strong vault]

decima jitter fxaa

[dusky wave]

for?

what colours exactly

I far as I know they give you controls over that

[delicate pewter]

sec to enable it to show

oh wow, the fps is so much better without reshade xD

oh you can under filters

but the removed the hide ui one?

[sturdy osprey]

back to gen 7 graphics and msaa

https://klipy.com/gifs/chud-buddha

[dusky wave]

brown and bloom

no tonemapping

straight 1.0 clip for everything

SDR

MSAA

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-its-peak-cry-one-piece-one-piece-peak-its-peak-gif-3269189837023001972

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven @gloomy tulip

MXAO (via reshade bypass) / vanilla GTAO (4K UAV) / vanilla GTAO (with added vis bitmask 4K UAV)

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-gif-27687064

no more fog issues

no more wobble wobble

no more pixelated, shimmerfest ao

[woeful raven]

Based

Its because its well animated and directed and in real time that makes it such a hype moment

Such a weird question

[brittle abyss]

That means we're getting 3rd shot's AO soon ?

Honestly the 3rd almost looks RTAO to me. And I mean real RTAO. Not the lumenite one. I would pay to have 3rd shot's AO in my game.

[sturdy osprey]

paypal 30k

[dusky wave]

what having access to normals and other data does to a mf

reshade AO only has depth

This also means this slop is fixed

reshade AO only has access to depth and normals calculated from depth

cross fade between lods is bad which causes those AO pulsing changes

[strong vault]

[tidal finch]

Yoo, how did you manage that finally

[brittle abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-copium-gif-4530870914968371816

So we're getting it into reno right ? I can get off my copium right ?

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

[dusky wave]

Yes

Me and Spiwar are figuring out goodish settings

And I am looking into how to get AO to also apply onto grass

Then we'll hard code the cboooofers so Valley and Wuling AO look the same

[spiral imp]

wizards

[brittle abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/cheering-baby-yeah-woo-hoo-lets-go-excited-kid-gif-8986898329054329350

[rustic echo]

wait so miru's work in getting reshade inserted into the AO bitmap was a thing again?

[woeful raven]

for everyone wondering

how dogshit the original AO was

vanilla GTAO with visibility bitmask, but with original resolution

literally blobs with 0 details

[strong vault]

pepeSlop

[gloomy tulip]

The blur

[spiral imp]

did n ot expect it to look that bad

[sudden nest]

ao so bad bro stuttered

[fleet socket]

looks optimized to me idk

[woeful raven]

chat are we back

[glacial kayak]

No

[woeful raven]

i sentence you to paypal me 30k

[glacial kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i-don't-have-30000-30000-dollars-arknights-endfield-gif-7119074259363027863

[keen vigil]

Who knew this meme would be prescient

With the paypal fumble

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven

wtf is this

This one is some fake spotlight

has no shadowcasting

doesnt really serve any purpose

and also doesnt apply AO

even though its in the g-booofer

meanwhile grass does the same shit

[woeful raven]

but i mean a lot of fake spot lights in the game

that's normal tbh

mobile optimizations = no shadows bruh

[sturdy osprey]

mobile optimization = dont render anything

[dusky wave]

bros

aint nooooo way

they gated AO

behind a switch

so it disables its self

This isnt even an optimsation strat

becasue AO is still being calculated

they just disable it on spotlights

[gloomy tulip]

Well applying AO to lights don’t make a lot of senses

It’s a hack if the AO radius is small otherwise you can occlude surfaces 100% pointing to the light

[dusky wave]

but they also gate contact shadows

screenspaced shadows dont apply to grass from the spotlights

even though g-buffer contains shadows

[dusky wave]

@gloomy tulip

direct lighting has no AO modulation

so all the fake spotlights apply zero AO

I guess yes it doesnt make much sense if the game had RT shadows and was able to ground everything correctly

but stuff in the enviroment just looks unshaded without AO modulation for direct lighting

[gloomy tulip]

RT in many implementations don’t include lights other than sun lights

So still no grounding

[dusky wave]

[rustic echo]

RT pipeline is hard, especially if you don't have areal engine to set every single light and material settings for you to default

RTGI is the best you get...if they actually included characters and objects anyway....otherwise enjoy landscape screenshots

I think RTR is easier for them to do since all they have to do...is reuse every probe they already have in the pipeline

[brittle abyss]

I would already be quite happy with competent GTAO and RTR to be honest. Apart from questionable draw distances, I think the game has strong enough art and materials to be handsome with only those two. Since we're just about to get competent GTAO anyway, good RTR is the only additional thing I'd really want out of it.

[strong vault]

rtr means vulkan slop

[gloomy tulip]

My custom AO with temporal accumulation

I noticed that there is weird wobbling affect when moving, I suspect its because shader not undoing jittering

I guess this is the sub pixel jitter offsets

@dusky wave Do you see the wobbling AO directly in the AO texture when moving in high speed? Its an issue even in the original half res AO tho

[arctic echo]

Belated, but I don't seem to have the mentioned frametime issues on Vulkan. There's maybe a bit more of occasional stutter, but it's certainly not the heartbeat graph while standing still.

[gloomy tulip]

Disocclusion

[delicate pewter]

nvidia… wtf are you doing?? anyone tried at 720p?

https://youtu.be/0OLu6Lj718g?si=5SVAQb9ugsqnqVOv

~~at work can’t check ~~

[rustic echo]

ask HG, to AI their low res SSR, please~

I want that AI, and more AI, not less in Endfield

[gloomy tulip]

I honestly think the motion vector is busted

[robust wagon]

is wuwa installed with reshade same way?

[arctic echo]

No, that's just their innovative tech: motion blur, but in AO.

[delicate pewter]

doesn’t Wuwa have good native anw?

[dusky wave]

OMEGA SLOPPA DROP

• Added modified game GTAO to use Visibility bitmask + new global cbooofers so AO matches in both Valley / Wuling / Any other areas they add + AO modulation is now apply on direct lighting + applies AO to grass now

• Vanilla GTAO is wack and uses half res, use the following https://github.com/EightySixK/Arknights-Endfield-FPS-Unlocker to force native res GTAO UAVs

[dusky wave]

forcing native res UAVs, I cant say I have. It looks significantly better compared to 720p wobble wobble

I added a AO debug viewer for T4 (GTAO g buffer used by deferred) and it looks fine there as well

[gloomy tulip]

The wobble comes from bad motion vector

[dusky wave]

[gloomy tulip]

BRUH

[dusky wave]

wtf is this

[gloomy tulip]

I use reprojected current uv to previous uv

And the wobble is gone compared to motion vector uv

its cooked

[dusky wave]

bruh I told you MVs are cooked

Its why DoF has wobble

so rip

this is also why SSR wobbles like a mf

[gloomy tulip]

Lemme show a video

Without using MV

[arctic echo]

What in the world did they do with the MVs

[gloomy tulip]

It's a different way to doing temporal, I'm giving each pixel an age value. Black = new pixels (no disocclusion)

[dusky wave]

[gloomy tulip]

The AO is way more stable but the wobble is so obvious

[dusky wave]

Let me record my current AO debug viewer

[gloomy tulip]

I think you upgraded R10G10B10A2_UNORM right?

Thats the MV format

No wonder it sucks

[dusky wave]

We did at first but we disabled it

[gloomy tulip]

The math is so compressed

[dusky wave]

we only have r8g8b8a8_typeless and unorm now

[stable lava]

what in the heat wave

[gloomy tulip]

Apparently their motion vector

[dusky wave]

mobilesloppa

you wont notice on a 6in screen

[gloomy tulip]

The heat wave will definitely show up on details 🙁

[dusky wave]

time to redo mvs

[fleet socket]

forge in a year: time to redo the renderer from scratch

[sturdy osprey]

optimized optimized unity

[gloomy tulip]

But anyway I finished building the skeleton for my full res AO in vk, just dealing with the blurring and ghosting XD

[rustic echo]

this uses vulkan?

cause fps unlocker uses vulkan

[fleet socket]

the one forge posted doesn't

and the fps unlocker supports dx11 as well

[spiral imp]

so, just replace addon and pop the enhancer exe, disable rtao shader if had it previously and done deal?

[dusky wave]

why is game bar refusing to capture

wack

Anyways, I tested ao debug view on my end

it looks stable, theres a bit of wobble in the distance

theres no heat haze effect though

[spiral imp]

i notice some

wave like behaviour

in dark spots

if you look at the entry

below the white orb

might be hard to see in the vid due to compression

[warm island]

I see it

[dusky wave]

Why is the AO cooked on your end

[warm island]

that's with the prerelease build of fpsunlocker ?

[dusky wave]

Thats a lot of halo on the character

Need to test that area

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah the wave pattern from bad MV

[spiral imp]

didnt even notice my char

lmao yeah so dark

perhaps I did smth wrong? Although I don't think so

[gloomy tulip]

HG set the AO gamma like 500 in wuling

Thats why its so dark

In valley 4th its just 2.2

[stable lava]

cooked

[spiral imp]

it's like a striped pattern

[dusky wave]

I HATE USERS

[spiral imp]

[dusky wave]

These issues where not there

The moment I give it to you goobers

theres issues

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah i saw some stride pattern in distant

[spiral imp]

yeah it's what im trying to show

compression makes it less noticeable

the darker the area the more noticeable it is

[dusky wave]

I hardcoded our own cbooofers

to use 2.2

or I might lower it I dunno

but it looks cooked on Blazes side

like its uses both modified and 500

[spiral imp]

any way for me

to show it more clearly

or do you need anything from me

[dusky wave]

So I went to the area

I dont see that pattern

[spiral imp]

i have 0 shaders on

and my reshade settings are in the first clip

[dusky wave]

open up reshade.ini

and tell me what settings it uses for Reno

there will be a section with AO based settings listed

[spiral imp]

[renodx-preset1]
AOBitmask=1
AODebugView=0
AODenoiserBlurBeta=0
AODirCount=3
AODirectionCount=6
AODistPower=1
AODistributionPower=2
AOFalloffRange=1
AOFinalGamma=1
AOFrame=64
AOGamma=2.2
AOMipBias=0
AONormalAttenuation=0.05
AONrmAtt=0.05
AORadius=4
AORadiusScale=1
AOStepCount=3
AOTemporalFrame=64
AOThickness=1
AOThicknessBias=0
AOThinOccluder=2
AO_GAMMA=1
AO_INTENSITY=1

this?

[dusky wave]

yes

[gloomy tulip]

1.0 thickness kinda overkill

0.5 is good just like the paper told me

[dusky wave]

Dunno why it set 1

I modifed it

[narrow lagoon]

when convert colorspace to P3 option comes

[dusky wave]

base game uses 1.3

[gloomy tulip]

There is no AO thickness in vanilla, its a parameter for my vbao

[safe swallow]

it's also 1 here

[spiral imp]

i do have 3 presets inthis file tho

idk which one im using, id assume the first

[gloomy tulip]

so i dunno if forge named the same thing as mine XD

Maybe forge was using the old names I had

[dusky wave]

I used the same names roughly

Mapped them to the GTAO-main shader

[spiral imp]

anything I should change on my end?

[dusky wave]

no

I'll rework it

though I do not see the shimmer wave pattern

what did you pick for GTAO res

[spiral imp]

it's less shimmer

mroe like actual stripes

[gloomy tulip]

Also the stride pattern could occur with bitmask

[spiral imp]

that are fixed

[dusky wave]

saw this if I pushed DistributionPower

stripped pattern

[dusky wave]

^

[gloomy tulip]

But GTAO itself already has jittered sample offsets

[spiral imp]

where do I pick this?

[dusky wave]

oh no

hes still running 720P GTAO

[spiral imp]

ok found the ini

[dusky wave]

[spiral imp]

LMAO

well I assume I only had to pop the exe and it would do everything

[dusky wave]

Fellas

you need to adjust the .ini

[spiral imp]

my b

[dusky wave]

it doesnt auto set full res GTAO

[spiral imp]

GTAORes?

it's set to 1 for me

[dusky wave]

-1

which means vanilla

[spiral imp]

oh right

so I just

=1 then

?

[dusky wave]

or 2

game is piss easy to run

[spiral imp]

lowkey struggling for me

haha..

4k maxed settings on a7900xt

[gloomy tulip]

GTAO needs interleaved depth instead of cheap ass depth mipmapping fr

maximum caching optimization

[spiral imp]

well, still there

but p much unnoticeable

[dusky wave]

Ayymd shenanigans

I dunno

[spiral imp]

still have that aura you mentioned

around my char tho

idk if normal or user error once again

[dusky wave]

Yes, that'll be becasue of thickness

I need to modify it

[spiral imp]

alright

[gloomy tulip]

Also the AO step count is actually 2x in reality. Vanilla's 3 = 6 steps in total

[dusky wave]

I'm following the xegtao paper as well

Just need to fix the settings

Also wtf is up with discord

Shit is cooking my 9800X3D to 75°c

Need an alternative asap

[gloomy tulip]

Hmm do you upgrade r8 unorm

The AO passes are weird

Computed AO stores in r8

Then temporal and blur are 16 float

Then upscale returns to 8

[warm island]

Hey maybe I.. I am definitely stoopid but, What exactly only works with DLAA at 100% scaling ?
Is it Reshade before UI ? 🥔

[slender wharf]

I'm dumb, what ini are we talking about for gtaores?

[spiral imp]

the one you get after using the enhancer.exe

[slender wharf]

fps_config.txt?

ah, need the prerelease build

[arctic echo]

Game randomly getting stuck in Composed: Flip presentation. Until I launch once without Reshade then it's fine? What even

[dusky wave]

@gloomy tulip on the xegtao paper it defaults to 3.15 for mip sampling

You did 0?

[gloomy tulip]

4.0

0 will make it really really bad

[scenic comet]

Any color grading/bloom Reshade shaders work well when RenoDX is active?

[gloomy tulip]

The mip sampling is when pixels are further from camera, they are evaluated with lower res mip to save performance

You increase the mip sampling bias to keep the high res depth for further pixels

I set to 0 just to not override what the game sets it to

[dusky wave]

That part makes sense, I just saw your previous settings pic and it had it set to 0.0

[dusky wave]

Ahh

[gloomy tulip]

Since I use 0.0 to determine whether to override the game or not

Too lazy to make 100 bools for each value

[dusky wave]

Ofc

[sturdy osprey]

im confused how to change ao res with this thing

is this some hidden setting somewhere

oh wait its in prelease build

[slender wharf]

yeah, you need the Enhancer.exe from pre release, made the same mistake originally

I'm surprised how well the game is still running with GTAORes=2 at 4K DLAA somehow.

[sudden nest]

what do you recommend to set in the gfx ini other than gtao?

[dusky wave]

OMEGA SLOPPA DROP

• Added modified game GTAO to use Visibility bitmask + new global cbooofers so AO matches in both Valley / Wuling / Any other areas they add + AO modulation is now apply on direct lighting + applies AO to grass now

• Adjusted GTAO settings, I added a 'reset settings to default' button which will reset GTAO settings (during updates and such if we change settings so you dont have to adjust yourself, just press the button)

Vanilla GTAO is wack and uses half res, use the following https://github.com/EightySixK/Arknights-Endfield-FPS-Unlocker to force native res GTAO UAVs

1. There's a prerelease 'Release 1.03' version you need that one as it contains the grafix enhancment settings. drop the .exe into your game directory and run it (this will install Virus)
2. After that go over to the EndfieldGFX.ini, you will see a GTAO section with the default being = -1 (this means it uses vanilla GTAO res). Change it to either 1 or 2 to force higher res UAVs

[dusky wave]

CSMShadowRes=4096
CharacterShadowRes=4096

both work to improve CSM shadows and character shadows, this will do nothing for screenspaced shadows. However CSMShadows has a slight issue of there being a seem line that follows the camera. Sometimes its noticable other times its not so YMMV

The other shadow settings break lighting when I tried them, so I wouldnt muck around with them for now

SSR quality set to Ultra slightly reduces wobble wobble but it spawns new shaders so our SSR tweak wont work (I am waiting for full res SSR UAV forcing before I patch Ultra quality shader)

SSR sample count is already set to 256 via Reno SSR tweak

AnisoLevel=16 since the game only goes up to 8x (mobileslop limitation)

character shadows from the sun and character shadows under spotlights are separate settings thouhg

spotlight shadows are some abysmal 256p blur blob

CharacterShadowRes is from the sun, it wont do anything for spotlights

[sudden nest]

you mentioned the issue of the line, do you mean the one at the bottom screen?

[dusky wave]

yes

its some wierd seem

[sudden nest]

i had that since the game lauched

[dusky wave]

transparent?

its not an opaque line, its a transparent one

[sudden nest]

yeah

before using reno

i noticed this

seems like a game issue entirely

[dusky wave]

CSMs are borked?????

We might need a new engine rewrite

[sudden nest]

entire game is borked for mobile

[dusky wave]

@gloomy tulip Unity 2 when

[spiral imp]

4096 res crashes my game

[dusky wave]

The game will CTD at first

for whatever reason

it loads up after

and doesnt CTD

[spiral imp]

hm, ctd'd twice for me

let me try again

[dusky wave]

well then

unfortunate

[sudden nest]

no crashes for me

[woeful raven]

Let me guess

[woeful raven]

amd

?

[dusky wave]

yes

[spiral imp]

didnt crash now

and yeah amd

[woeful raven]

Fps unlocker part of the tool used to only work on nvidia

He only madr it usable on amd recent ish

So expect some jank

I guess

[spiral imp]

I'm still seeing the aura thing, I assume expected behaviour?

[dusky wave]

dark halos around characters?

did you hit the reset GTAO button

[spiral imp]

seems gone now, thanks

well still there but minimal

[woeful raven]

Supposed to be there as a side effect of AO

Its fine

[spiral imp]

yeah I understand

[dusky wave]

It's an issue of them rendering GTAO g-buffer fully including character

Then selectively removing characters after from GTAO

Righr

What's next

That or I go play

[woeful raven]

TI was right

U go play

[dusky wave]

Newest UE5 sloppa dropped today

Endfield with our tweaks looks betta

And still runs 120FPS locked with 50% GPU util

[brittle abyss]

Did you actually port xeGTAO ?

[woeful raven]

Temu RTAO

[dusky wave]

Game already uses Unity GTAO

I think its xegtao

We just added vis bitmask

and played around with the settings

and higher res UAVs via the unlocker

[brittle abyss]

Allright. I've been away from civilization for (almost) two weeks now. My return this friday will be glorious seeing how you guys cooked in those two weeks. The wait is killing me.

[dusky wave]

two weeks?????

Might as well pack up

your gacha career is over in Endfield

[brittle abyss]

I've been doing dailies and stuff on phone. And ammassing bills.

But I refuse to advance in the actual game.

[sturdy osprey]

i changed shadow res on amd and it removed shadows

[brittle abyss]

The worst part is that I actually have every 6 stars now. And still I can't get myself to get rid of default characters while exploring. I like their designs too much. Plus it feels more immersive during msq.

[fleet socket]

i do this too

i usually stick with the default party for the MSQ and only change for the endgame stuff

[arctic echo]

I had the terrain all turn black at certain angles, but then it fixed itself when I hit the reset AO. Not entirely sure whether it was the shadow res that caused it in the first place.

[sturdy osprey]

im dumb and i set shadow res like gtao so i basically gave my self 1 res shadows

[arctic echo]

Oh lul

[sturdy osprey]

trying fsr3 fg

it feels ok with reflex

but the game has lag spikes in a city

and this feels like ball torture with framegen

[woeful raven]

Fsr3fg is so bad no matter how many times I try it I always end up back on nofg

Or LSFG

[robust wagon]

new update—do I have to use the GitHub FPS unlocker?

[woeful raven]

@dusky wave wake up

https://youtu.be/OyAOvOnE8Zg

They're explaining their slop in this perf analysis video

[grizzled herald]

Haha. I think it'd take me less time to learn Chinese than graphics programming.

[sturdy osprey]

it has no flip metering still

so thats big reason why it sucks

[woeful raven]

No the interpolation is actually trash

Flip metering doesnt matter when your result is dog

It has issues interpolating particles that even LSFG doesnt have

[sudden nest]

do they know its trash

[woeful raven]

The vram and ram leak

Is verry efficient

[sudden nest]

clearly handled efficiently

[dusky wave]

waz is das

oh

[woeful raven]

Well i guess the game is pretty light on cpu

[dusky wave]

slop perf analysis

[woeful raven]

So thats a win

[woeful raven]

Interview with endfield devs

[dusky wave]

They best include our names after

for including HDR

[woeful raven]

Not just a slop perf analysis

[dusky wave]

and GTAO fixes

and cum glass fix

[woeful raven]

devs explained all the slop they added

To optimize the game

And i mean they work well for mobile

They must have forgot to scale bsck

For actual PCs

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-laugh-laugh-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-crying-gif-14871471

[sudden nest]

do they even mention hdr

[runic dove]

this game can actually run decently on a steam deck with that comically weak CPU so yeah that's a win

unlike wuwa

[dusky wave]

fucker leaks worse than the Pentagon

[sturdy osprey]

chinese dont know what hdr is

even though they make decent bigzone count minileds

[dusky wave]

It came out on PS5 and PC in an alt timeline

alongside RT

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[woeful raven]

School of Kevin disciple

[dusky wave]

No, Reno is always standalone

The github page link is for forcing native res GTAO so our GTAO modifications actually look good

You can use the GTAO modificiations using vanilla

but it will be running at 720p or lower

and looks awful

[sturdy osprey]

also recommend upping shadows

shadows look much better

at 4096

[dusky wave]

@grizzled saddle @stuck sandal

[sturdy osprey]

🙏

[dusky wave]

'most' is doing some serious copium here

[sturdy osprey]

i need context

[dusky wave]

becasue Bloom is like 5 passes

DOF is like 12 passes

GTAO is 4-5

so what exactly is 1 pass

[meager igloo]

so do I still need Lumenite shaders with the OMEGA SLOPPA DROP update

[dusky wave]

no, because omega sloppa drop is fixing native GTAO

we have now solved fog issue

[meager igloo]

figures

that's omega indeed!

what about DLSS upscaling instead of DLAA

still a no go?

[dusky wave]

native fix once again

so everything works

base game supports upscaling

[meager igloo]

praise be

DLAA 4K is way too heavy lol

[sturdy osprey]

is tech test grading basically just more blue

[dusky wave]

No

[sturdy osprey]

thats how it looks on my monitor

[woeful raven]

If we turn everything down then it doesnt take much to run

Pack it home boys

[meager igloo]

rename medium settings to ultra

[sturdy osprey]

in wuling eats as much perf as lumen on high settings

[dusky wave]

• different grading settings compared to default
• modified shaders such as skybox to match tech test vids
• alt grading temp / tint to match tech test

[meager igloo]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the Geekerwan video. They're just paid to regurgitate what Hypergryph tells them here

such content makes up like 2/3 of all their uploads

[fleet socket]

one simple optimization trick most game devs don't know about

[dusky wave]

[grizzled saddle]

[grizzled herald]

I'm stealign this comment haha.

[woeful raven]

Their perf analysis

Is still legit

No one has as good data as geekerwan

We already knoe the game is piss easy to run anyways

Just want to know what slop the devs did to achieve that

[woeful raven]

Speaking of which

It is indeed piss easy to run when a 5070 can do 4k native at 112fps

[dusky wave]

wait what

[sturdy osprey]

yea but it cant

actually

[dusky wave]

3060 only gets 46fps

[sturdy osprey]

where do you get 112fps

staring at skybox?

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

[woeful raven]

At native 4k

65 with dlss

[runic dove]

Am I just like CPU bottlenecked cause I only get like 80-90 on 5070Ti

[dusky wave]

Not Kevin approved

[woeful raven]

Doing anything

Its piss easy

[dusky wave]

should be 120 locked at 4K no upscaling

[runic dove]

Where the hell are they getting 110fps

[woeful raven]

1% lows is 86 though

[woeful raven]

What cpu?

[runic dove]

5900x

[sudden nest]

4k?

[woeful raven]

Yeah 6 core split CCD slop

[sturdy osprey]

https://youtu.be/Mj8jzu-Ofgs

[woeful raven]

Look at cpu graph

[runic dove]

Yeah, DLAA

[robust wagon]

What level should SMAA be set to for best results?

[sudden nest]

shouldnt bottleneck

[woeful raven]

Your 1% is about less than 60

[runic dove]

I'll try shutting off second CCD I guess

[sturdy osprey]

none use dlss or fsr

[woeful raven]

5600x results

So thats about right?

If you shut of ccd youd at best getting 5600x

58 1% lows

[runic dove]

5900x clocks about 200MHz higher than 5600x

So it should be slightly better

[robust wagon]

do you all use dlss?

[runic dove]

And not get fucked by inter ccd latency

[sudden nest]

what area you get 80 fps

[woeful raven]

Yes

Kevin we all use dlss

[runic dove]

Wuling

[sturdy osprey]

yes in 2026 you use upscalers

cuz anything else sucks

[runic dove]

Open world gets around 90

[woeful raven]

You can watch the video

And check the testing methodology

[sudden nest]

yeah do that

[robust wagon]

should I set it to 0 here, meaning completely disable aa and use dlss instead for aa?

[sudden nest]

no

set -1

use dlss in game

[robust wagon]

my PC is enough to run at 120 FPS, so I don’t really feel like enabling dlss

[sudden nest]

use dlaa then

[dusky wave]

DLSS is not just about upscaling for better perf

[sudden nest]

1 not -1

mb

[dusky wave]

DLSS/DLAA are superior anti aliasing methods

especially compared to post process AA slop like SMAA

[woeful raven]

wrong smaa fxaa with decima jitter is superior

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

[dusky wave]

fr fr

[robust wagon]

get it

[sudden nest]

who even made this gif

[dusky wave]

That vid of Kevin showcasing his super sauce FXAA

and he dead ass said

"it looks so good"

[sudden nest]

for sure

[robust wagon]

so shoulid i set aa 0 and smaa 0?

[dusky wave]

The whole scene was shimmering

[woeful raven]

Aa 1 smaa 0

[dusky wave]

and had stairstepping out the ass

[woeful raven]

Dont touch it

Use in game aa

[robust wagon]

ok tku

[sudden nest]

yeah thats the fxaa sauce

[robust wagon]

I always thought DLSS was meant to boost FPS

[woeful raven]

dlss went from boosting fps while potentially looking worse

Now you can boost fps

[stable lava]

it does both now

[woeful raven]

And still have better aa

Than native

[stable lava]

mogs any AA technique
boosts fps
ultimate tech

[woeful raven]

for no reason

[stable lava]

another trillion for jensen

[woeful raven]

It denoises now too

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[dusky wave]

• AA mogger
• Denoiser mogger
• Perf mogger (but slop devs use as crutch)

[woeful raven]

Clearly endfield didnt use it as crutch

[dusky wave]

Jensen truly is the Einstein of our era

[dusky wave]

nah they instead used 540p DoF, GTAO and SSR as a crutch

[fleet socket]

no use case for DLAA. just downsample from 16k render res

[dusky wave]

wroooooong

Need 32K

[glacial kayak]

it's called optimization mr discord basement dweller

[stable lava]

16K render res to save on latency incurred by dlss

[dusky wave]

broo just render 32K to save on AA perf cost

[fleet socket]

holy shit... some people are just way smarter than us

[dusky wave]

[robust wagon]

Can your NVIDIA app detect ARK? Mine can't find it anymore. so weird.

[dusky wave]

This is similar to fellas saying how RT is slop but planar reflections are PEAK

chief, the latter will grape perf in todays games

[woeful raven]

Theres other games that does half res effects and look fine

Not this one though

Me when i do most effects in one pass

[low haven]

Does DLSS still mess with DoF and stuff?

[woeful raven]

[woeful raven]

Yes

You either accept it and move on

[dusky wave]

DLSS isnt 'responisble' per say, the issue comes from them running half res + then using upscaled res for UAVs

[woeful raven]

Or you go back taau

[dusky wave]

so you get 720p or lower DoF, GTAO ect

[fleet socket]

RT SUCKS. SSR has way more soul than RT ever could, just look at this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/131825783378411520/1470246433260044524/R1xEBNb.mp4?ex=698de4f1&is=698c9371&hm=5d3e2f802df94e54355fb4b9185af8d8992edd0a236cfb9d6e404f99b0f68923&

[dusky wave]

glues camera so you cant look down

now what

[low haven]

Yeah I think I'll stick with TAAU, I think 2D stuff like hovering text and the like also got affected by res while using DLSS

[woeful raven]

Whatever you like

[sturdy osprey]

the soul of dissapearing

[woeful raven]

Did u watch the RT portion of the video

[dusky wave]

Theres an RT portion

[woeful raven]

Ios rt

[dusky wave]

I just started dying at the single pass stuff

I am finished

our SSR tweaks look better

[sturdy osprey]

[fleet socket]

reflections in the real world don't have object permanence. NVIDIA doesn't want you to know this

[fleet socket]

LOL

[dusky wave]

they could have just done what me or miru did using SSR

[fleet socket]

though i guess that does confirm RT is coming eventually, right? surely you could mod extra passes?

[dusky wave]

and it would have been cheaper

[woeful raven]

Look guys give em a break they're doing it with 7.5W

[woeful raven]

No?

Lmao buddy

[dusky wave]

HDR and RT already came out

in an alt timeline

just not this one

[woeful raven]

Geekerwan probably asked if rt will come to other platform

"Ssshh"

Which is why ios rt is only mention and glazed in the video

[fleet socket]

oh i forgot that IOS had it

[woeful raven]

Doesnt bode well if they wont even say if rt will come to pc in the future

[sudden nest]

they shipped the game like this they dont care about pc

[fleet socket]

showing this to someone back in 2018 to explain why RT is a meme and a fad

[dusky wave]

"a bunch of discord mods made better reflections via a mod reshade preset"

[gloomy tulip]

I doubt rt would look good given the abysmal motion vector

They only showed still shot comparison right

[woeful raven]

I did.
I went back in time and showed it to a younger kevin.
He then went on his path to become the kevin interactive that we know today.

Perfect loop

[sudden nest]

forgot to show him taa

[dusky wave]

all marketing I've seen for it has been pics so far, maybe thers a utube vid comparison on IOS

[sudden nest]

now he likes it

[gloomy tulip]

RT has way more noises than SSR and GTAO

[woeful raven]

No need to

That image is blurry enough

"Seee that, blurry = taa = bad"

[woeful raven]

Doesnt elaborate

[sudden nest]

holy shit

too low res

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fso-this-is-how-an-optimized-game-feels-like-v0-la1vef22p0fg1.png%3Fwidth%3D2560%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D17e0669b6e42d08f2901ec08f3ddea5ed943f1c5

jesus the dof

[dusky wave]

128p DoF

[sudden nest]

hahahaah

thats horrible

what were they thinking

[fleet socket]

why is ps5 that much smaller lol

[sturdy osprey]

endmin turned into pixelmin

[waxen delta]

That's almost every gacha that has a PC version lol

[robust wagon]

when i use dlaa, before ui should be enabled?

[woeful raven]

Doesnt matter

[sudden nest]

almost

[woeful raven]

Bro didnt u ask this question last time

[woeful raven]

Wuwa is love wuwa is life

[sudden nest]

i have to agree this time

[woeful raven]

Its so pc centric you'll need a 7800x3d or 9800x3d to have over 60fps with rt on in startorch

[dusky wave]

super secret super speciaal SSD Kraken compression special sauce

[woeful raven]

[sudden nest]

you wish

i cant hit 60 sometimes

[robust wagon]

I asked this before, but I forgot 🙂

[sudden nest]

gpu usage plummets

[runic dove]

Does the game even hit 4k on ps5

[woeful raven]

Yeah but u can hit 60 some times

[runic dove]

They probably just used assets meant for 1080p and kept it at that

[woeful raven]

Startorch is 35 40fps slop for me

Kek

[sudden nest]

yeah outside startorch

[runic dove]

Startorch LOL

35fps

Thank you kuro very cool

60% GPU usage with RT on and balanced DLSS

[runic dove]

I'm really surprised how wuwa is able to run on phones with how not CPU optimized the game is

[woeful raven]

"The game engine is s good one"

[sudden nest]

very optimized

[woeful raven]

The cpu slog is with rt

Turn rt implementation off

Runs finr

[dusky wave]

3 meter draw distance, no RT

[woeful raven]

120fps mobile Vulkan FG

[runic dove]

I get like 55fps max in startorch with RT off

[fleet socket]

the game is really well optimized so the issue is probably with the ps5/sony

[dusky wave]

custom API slop

on NoGameStation 5

[woeful raven]

No probably with them

Ps5 is even more of an after thought

Than pc

[robust wagon]

Wuwa's mobile device performance is not as good as ark

[woeful raven]

When ryzen 3600 can hit decent frames

And not ps5

[sudden nest]

im surprised it even released alongside pc and mobile

usually they release it later

[glacial kayak]

ps5 isn't an afterthought, they went out of their way to force off vrr. caring

[dusky wave]

PS5 has a bigger player base than mobile per their reports

[runic dove]

The game can hit a semi stable 48fps on an undervolted steam deck so the problem has got to be PS5

But I think the main problem there is Linux moment

Because it's still kinda stuttery on the deck

[glacial kayak]

would not be too bad on ps5 (pro at least) if vrr were allowed

[dusky wave]

vulkanslop

[woeful raven]

Youre right its worse

The only phones where u can get a constant 60

With endfield

Is this year's flagship phone

[gloomy tulip]

Iphone?

[sudden nest]

what the

[glacial kayak]

time to buy an iphone buddy

[woeful raven]

Iphone has an easier time

[glacial kayak]

this is an apple game

[woeful raven]

This game is better optimized for iphone

Tea

Yea

Apple game

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah as expected

[dusky wave]

[gloomy tulip]

Why do you even buy android

[dusky wave]

Apple first party

title

[glacial kayak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/apple-tim-cook

[sudden nest]

8 gen 1 running the same as gen 3 is insane

[woeful raven]

58fps at 720p at 4.8w

[gloomy tulip]

13pro max no diffd so many current year android

[dusky wave]

Appleisum bias

[woeful raven]

At least wuwa is also forward looking on mobile

[runic dove]

Idk the game felt fine on my pixel

[woeful raven]

Has vulkan, FG, SGSR upscale

[glacial kayak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tim-cook-cowboy

[sudden nest]

i dont even wanna know how it runs on tensor

[runic dove]

Even with googles shitass tensor being slower than an A14

Though I don't actually play it much on mobile because mobile ew

[sudden nest]

did they test mac

[woeful raven]

No.

[dusky wave]

hear me out.... what if you SLI two iphones

[glacial kayak]

game isn't on mac

[gloomy tulip]

Using magsafe?

[woeful raven]

^

There is no mac endfield

[sudden nest]

damn

apple bias and no mac release

[glacial kayak]

playcover is trivial at least but i dunno

[woeful raven]

[dusky wave]

SLI 4 of them then get them to run RT

then link RT buffer to PC

[gloomy tulip]

Bro is building factory in real life to build another in endfield

[sturdy osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fig-7

[runic dove]

Yeah it hits a 30fps lock in wuling on medium settings with less stutter than my steam deck lol

Hell, it stutters less than my iPad mini 6

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven I know what I need to work on next

chrominance per zoominance by luminance for gamma correction

[gloomy tulip]

Add rtgi

[dusky wave]

give me source code

inb4 reverse via IDA

[gloomy tulip]

If RT comes out and unironically only has RT reflections

[dusky wave]

not just RT reflections

but RT reflections apply to only some scenes

[gloomy tulip]

Is that so in tim apple’s ifruit

[dusky wave]

ifone cant cope

so its limited to Dijon

and some of the arenas

Trianggelos fight has RT reflections

and a few others

thats about it

[dusky wave]

it shifts the hues of UI when running 2.4

which is no no

Musa wouldnt approve

[woeful raven]

Decima jitter

[sudden nest]

steam deck runs on vulkan tho right

[fleet socket]

yeah but the game's own vulkan renderer vs. dx11 on dxvk are not comparable

[runic dove]

It's just through the launcher so you can just use dxvk, I just run the game in vulkan so that could be the problem

[sudden nest]

vulkan isnt native?

[sudden nest]

vulkan does stutter more

[fleet socket]

it is

[sturdy osprey]

vulkan slop

[fleet socket]

my point is that you can still use the dx11 version on linux, though it's being run through vulkan either way

but it'll not perform the same as the native vulkan renderer

[sudden nest]

yeah i know, just wanted to make sure

[robust wagon]

hey, does anyone happen to know where the shader cache is located for the dx11 mode in ark?

[stable lava]

AppData\Local\NVIDIA\DXCache on windows

which file idk i don't think there's any way to find a specific game

[dusky wave]

I just delete the whole folder

You might be able to off date

and delete only those shaders

assuming you know when Endfield built shader cahce

[fleet socket]

changing the api for endfield forces the precomp to run again i think? but idk if it actually clears the previous shaders

[dusky wave]

it forces shader cache rebuild

[robust wagon]

I only found the Vulkan cache in AppData/LocalLow/HypergryphEndfield, It seems the Vulkan cache is stored separately within the game's folder

[dusky wave]

so thats one way to fix it

[grizzled herald]

So FG working with Reno on VK in Indiana Jones now would mean that we could have it here as well at some point?

[stable lava]

not much point in VK yet as long as we don't have RT ngl

although yeah FG would smooth out the Wuling drops ig

[dusky wave]

now?

como

what happened

[grizzled herald]

Haha.

[dusky wave]

thing is

Spiwar showed me a way to get FG working

and

well

Indiana Jones is fine because it has native HDR + swapchain

We dont for Endfield

which means FG flicker

[grizzled herald]

Oh... I see. True.

Was kind of celebrating the milestone of FG+RenoVK.

[dusky wave]

We coping that trashformer V2 FG coming in Abril

[grizzled herald]

But with no native swapchain things get complicated. There is hope though.

[dusky wave]

will fix flickering

[grizzled herald]

#1416126383977005146 message

[strong vault]

CNN FG 2X Cope pepeSlop

[dusky wave]

well now that you put it

time for me to go back to porting everything over to VK

and suffering heartbeat pulse framegraph with stuttering

[woeful raven]

remember what i said to u

Same issue as any sdr path upgrade

[woeful raven]

Until they implement native hdr, no

[woeful raven]

U could just unlock the fps and play dlss P at 240fps in this game

its dead easy to run

[stable lava]

dlss p for that sweet 240p dof

[dusky wave]

Bro can't into reading comprehension

Toru said CNN

CNN (the goat) just WorksTM

[woeful raven]

Have u tried

[dusky wave]

I'll just wait for Izueh to get DX12 proxy working for Luma

Then port everything to Luma before doing VK

[woeful raven]

No i mean tried vk fg cnn

I think u havent

Because i tried and it didnt work

[dusky wave]

[strong vault]

Oh is that vulkans fault because CNN FG was working with SDR upgrade on DX12 Titles Despairge~1

[dusky wave]

I've never tried CNN FG for VK

Only trashformer slop

[woeful raven]

The day i told u about fg working but flickering

I tried cnn fg after

It doesnt work

Your only option for working fg

In vk

With sdr path upgrade

Is fsr FG

[strong vault]

xefg doesnt have vk path right?

or is it only for intel

[woeful raven]

Wont work either bud

If you're thinking about opti

The answer is no

[dusky wave]

Ayyyyymd just betta

Finecrime

[strong vault]

[dusky wave]

Works with everything

[woeful raven]

We need nukem to save us

Streamline inputs with fsrfg will still flicker

Only nukem dlss to fsr3fg bridge doesnt

• that FSR MFG 3x 4x slop that the artur guy made

[fleet socket]

damn this is bad lol. idk if i set anything wrong

[dusky wave]

What am I looking for?

[fleet socket]

insane shimmering

[spiral imp]

the trembling

[strong vault]

did you go for smaa meme what is that

[dusky wave]

User skill issue

Doesn't happen to me or spiwar

[fleet socket]

oh it actually looks less bad if i set the game to TAAU (instead of optiscaler fsr4)

[dusky wave]

[woeful raven]

Anything using the dlss path

Is plagued by their slop code

Time to port to luma and fix dlssslop

[strong vault]

This fuckass game needs avengers levels of collab of game modders to be good

frenzy

[dusky wave]

Can't fix the story though

[fleet socket]

theres still trembling with TAAU but only at background stuff at a distance

[woeful raven]

Refer back to the dev interview

[strong vault]

Yeah I saw you guys talked about it

[woeful raven]

"We rewrote unity for maximum efficiency and optimization"

And

"We rewrote unity for maximum efficiency and optimization"

[dusky wave]

So we have ayylmao users and Miru say the wobble wobble is bad and both aren't using Trashformer V2 special suace

Coincidence

I think not

[woeful raven]

Have to blame the devs on this one

U can have a dog dlss implementation and just cruise through

Vs fsr where you need a billion of other things

For it look good

Reactive masks and shit