Cyberpunk 2077

[hardy atlas]

shortfuse can easily improve the lut scaling

by doing what I did in jedi survivor

take whatever midgray and contrast values renodrt is using

and applying that to the black output value of the LUT used in the lut scaling function

since the lut is before tonemap

it can then account for the extra contrast added afterwards

[alpine spruce]

there are sdr luts in hdr

[wicked zinc]

Okay, so that's more of a natural intended look? Also, am I allowed to adjust peak brightness and game brightness, or would that mess the intended look?

[minor compass]

also i'd rather go with Game Brightness at 203, idk why yours is at 117, but on vanilla lut i feel like 203 is kinda a must for me

i think the wip version looks great tbh

[olive cloak]

is the wip version on github?

[minor compass]

i think the wip version is the one pinned here

i tried the latest snapshot from github but i think its still the old version

[hardy atlas]

Ya those would only need to account for gamma correction

Why hasn’t WIP been pushed yet

[olive cloak]

dang
was hoping I could just add the jedi survivor lut scaling myself for a personal addon

[wicked zinc]

You're right, something must have gone wrong, I deleted everything and re-downloaded fresh and now it looks much better than before

Any mod recommendation just to fix or at least improve this shitty auto exposure? Preferably vanilla+ style

[minor compass]

like a lut you mean? i know Nova City 2 can improve auto exposure, also my fav vanilla+ lut is Emotional vision which i think looks great

[wicked zinc]

Not sure if it's called LUT. The auto exposure or eye adaptation perhaps? For example, when I'm indoors and there's a door looking outdoors it's so damn blinding or when I enter a vehicle and drive in first person then the outside is very bright

Like this

[remote karma]

I think this is what’s i somehow feel ain’t right, it’s the lut scaling which has been a problem since the beginning of development. It would be nice if shortfuse can improve it with your suggestions!

[minor compass]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/9278

maybe this one you could try

[jaunty river]

what's going on here?

oh I'm a dumbass. Had both the latest snapshot and wip file in the folder

[unkempt plume]

Why does RenoDX look so watered down compared to ACES for me?

[wary ember]

Cause aces is crushing shit to oblivion I think

Should be more SDR accurate if I’m not wrong

You can probably increase sat and contrast to 60 if you want it to pop more

(That’s what I’ve done as it was recommended to me here)

[olive cloak]

in hdr the game applies aces twice while with renodx only applies it once

[hardy atlas]

aces just looks jacked up

contrast at the cost of everything else

[vital junco]

those ACES shots

[formal orbit]

[wicked zinc]

Thanks, I read that this one has flickering issues with DLSS FG, etc., so I am currently trying Nova City 2

[tame canopy]

this game's HDR luts are just the SDR luts with baked ACES but stretched. so needs to be unstretched altogether. Vanilla HDR is 2x ACES

[tame canopy]

SDR is already ACES. HDR is SDR ACES in LUT and then ACES ran again (2x ACES)

if HDR path had access to the SDR LUTs, i'd just scale it like we do in most SDR games

also means Vanilla HDR is double blown out, 1 from SDR LUTs and 2 from second ACES pass

[hardy atlas]

Aces is like 1.7 contrast iirc so you can do lut_black = contrast(lut_black, 1.7) * 0.1 / 0.18;

[tame canopy]

luts aren't stretched the same way

[hardy atlas]

Oh ye

[tame canopy]

they did some math for one set of luts, and one math for another

even in SDR they're broken, they go to 325 nits or something

[hardy atlas]

Well whatever your renodrt params are to stretch it

You just take those renodrt params + gamma correction into account

[tame canopy]

some luts scale better at 48% lut scaling and some at 90%. probably better to just find the pattern

with the graph there it's easy to do by hand

but just a matter of "this looks like the 325 clipping SDR lut" and "this looks like the 100 nit SDR lut"

[cunning mulch]

Can anyone else trigger a crash on startup? It worked fine a few days ago I'm wondering if maybe it's a driver issue. I updated both reshade and reno dlls but it still crashes when it tries to load reno.

[forest echo]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/15725

You need this one. The title is misleading, but it's basically the successor of Preem Optics and also covers the autoexposure outside of driving! Works great! 😉

[jaunty river]

What RR preset is best for cyberpunk? D or E?

[mint ridge]

Some will say E because it can be somewhat cleaner and crisper than D

But for me E has always been a griddy artefact mess in the sky so I'm never using it, sticking to D (its default)

Here's what I mean by griddy artefact mess

It's ever present for me

[forest echo]

Oefff, that does look messy damnnn!!! So the default RR preset of D is clearly the way to go.

[wicked zinc]

Have you tried this with HDR? The last comment says it doesn't work well with HDR

[mint ridge]

That's a typical nexus user nonsensical comment

Works wonders for HDR

[vital junco]

yeah, I globally override the DLL for RR to the latest, but I keep the preset set to N/A, so that way games default to D unless they're actively requesting E themselves, e.g. DOOM The Dark Ages

I'm not sure what Cyberpunk itself is doing if you don't override the DLL, because it's on 310.1 natively and doesn't say "diamond wallaby" or "truthful shrimp"

[remote karma]

yes, same here, I've even seen this artefact in other instances than the sky, like some gray/greenish walls etc. Sticking with D as well.

[mint ridge]

Cyberpunk either calls default (D) if transformer/cnn toggle is on the former or calls A if on the latter

A being the shittiest RR preset ever lol

C (used in AW2's "Legacy DLSS" mode) is better but ofc nowhere near D (which it uses by default as well) or E

[sterile hedge]

saw 1 of those artefacts in witcher 3 and thought it was cause i had an unstable memory overclock

guess its a cdpr thing

[jaunty river]

oh yeah I've noticed those on E

[mint ridge]

Nah it's a transformer DLSS thing, be it SR or RR, both can exhibit these griddy artefacts

[sterile hedge]

oh damn

[mint ridge]

Tbh, Nvidia sucks big time with their stuff

What you gain somewhere you lose elsewhere, always

[wicked zinc]

Just tried the Blind Begone now, doesn't get rid of the auto exposure sadly

[mint ridge]

It does

Alter the FPP values so it's visible outside tho

Some areas like the badlands need visuals nulled tho

Blind Begone can't override the ENV values otherwise

[wicked zinc]

It works in vehicle first person for sure, but diesn't get rid of auto exposure indoors, I can see a lot of exposure changing looking at sunlighted areas and then switching to darker areas

[mint ridge]

It's not designed to do that

It's only for FPP driving

[wicked zinc]

Ohh ok, then it sure works for that

[wary ember]

If you want a global solution your best bet is nova city. It does change colors quite a bit tho and it’s probably not compatible with Reno

[wicked zinc]

Currently trying Nova City 2, it pretty much gets rid of the auto exposure part, but as you said, it changes lightning too much for my taste

[wary ember]

Yeah, I´m in the same boat

I just rather deal with auto exposure

[wicked zinc]

Sunlighted areas, like surfaces hit by direct sunlight look washed out. The vibrancy is gone and it doesn’t feel like real sunlight anymore. For example, in V’s apartment, the lighting just feels weak here compared to vanilla (no RenoDX)

[wary ember]

Thats the same time of day? WTF

Never saw that much of a difference on my end

[wicked zinc]

Yes same time, screenshot taken right after loading a save file to be 1:1

[wary ember]

Holy shit, not sure that looks right

But maybe it is

NC2 is cool for a replay imo

Give it a new flair and mix things up a bit

[wicked zinc]

Imma ask on their mod section to be sure this is intented

[wary ember]

I would probably contact Cyanide in discord

https://discord.com/channels/717692382849663036/1198976262765564018

[wicked zinc]

I don't know how to contact since I don't have a permission to post pictures

[wary ember]

Oh, you need to be more active in that server probably

Then maybe nexus yeah

[minor compass]

btw ive tried this out and it looks great, wanted to ask, you kept all the other settings default? (like contrast, saturation, etc.)

[worthy isle]

@minor compass I can run you through settings that match the default contrast you get with vanilla but with RenoDRT if you'd like. But I won't be back at the house until later tonight. Off the top of the dome, Highlights 60, Contrast 62. To get an exact match to nova you have to run per-channel though, kinda defeats the purpose of using RenoDRT but that's up to you if you like the luminance based features. Dialing in with luminance instead of per-channel takes a bit of work with the saturation and highlight saturation dials.

[minor compass]

i was currently running contrast 60 saturation 60 and lut scaling to 1 like you recommended, on Nova 3 - Main, if thats what youre saying. I was just more interested what settings you run in Reno with Nova 3 lut, just to kinda see for myself what others run :D

[worthy isle]

@minor compass Those are the exact settings I run when I use nova. I do lower saturation to around 47 and bump highlight saturation to 75 but that's just preference. I find that nearly matches the vanilla representation of nova.

[minor compass]

so like this right? appreciate your help and all btw :D

@worthy isle gotta admit, if these settings are correct what ive sent above, then they look beautiful with nova 3, so thank you :)

[worthy isle]

Yep that looks correct.

[urban bison]

Hi, is the pinned wip renodx file in this channel the same as the snapshot build?

[formal orbit]

mmm no

pinned here is November

snapshot was updated a few days ago

[urban bison]

I'm asking because I did check earlier last week and the snapshot file was from November too

I was told to go here because the "Discord version" was better/more up to date or something

[hardy atlas]

Ignore the date

[formal orbit]

oh why

[hardy atlas]

When common files in the repo get updated it makes the snapshot link update

[formal orbit]

[hardy atlas]

Pinned is the latest

[formal orbit]

oge my bad

[urban bison]

oh hm

Okay thank you

@maiden oasis got my answer lol

[maiden oasis]

I see that lol

all good 🙂

[urban bison]

thank you too btw

[maiden oasis]

no problem bud

[formal orbit]

regardless of the date though, shouldnt snapshot also be latest?

or can you build newer addons without it fucking with the snapshot

[hardy atlas]

shortfuse never pushed the changes in the pinned file

idk why

[formal orbit]

oh ok i see

i usually always just look at that snapshot date to judge whether or not i should download an update or not

guess thats not the best approach

[urban bison]

yeah same

I was told the snapshot build (for cyberpunk) was too dark or something and that the pinned one here was better

[wary ember]

Im running the pinned one here and looks gorgeous

[maiden oasis]

btw the debug square being on by default may want to get fixed when it's uploaded to GitHub

it's confused so many people who switched to the WIP version lol

[tame canopy]

vastly different defaults, people coming old builds are matched to double ACES, see #1434377434022809610 message

need to make a Vanilla HDR Look button

or something like that

[thorny stratus]

does anyone whos got nova lut have a screenshot of what their city looks like in the sun? i cant for the life of me get the settings right with renodx and nova lut daytime

blinding white ground and npcs are dark silhouette

[maiden oasis]

I've never had any luck getting Nova LUT working with Reno.

Always looked off

[thorny stratus]

i just swapped to preem 3

[olive cloak]

would you be opposed to having a sister mod that fixes the luts with the cyberpunk mod tools? honestly feel like that would be the easiest way of doing that.

since there's already lut mods for the game

[tame canopy]

i don't mind. i'm basically the only one who has actually gone into the shaders to mod the actual shader code afaik.

people love this game and there should be more shader-based mods for it

[olive cloak]

I just don't know how you'd scale the luts with the stuff in reno lol

[tame canopy]

oh right, i indeed should push from a code posterity standpoint

it's sitting on my hard drive

[novel hinge]

hi Reno Prophets! Is there a chance to work on a Reno build to support Nova LUT? They are releasing the new version of the 3077 Mod Pack soon, it would be nice to have it ❤️

[hardy atlas]

it works with any lut

problem is nova lut is built around vanilla's broken tone mapping

and the author's statements kind of don't make sense

I've been super sus of his luts since he didn't know that the vanilla tonemapping was extremely broken

like it should be immediately extremely obvious

like there's no way to author a LUT around that tone mapping

[novel hinge]

oh I see

[hardy atlas]

its like saying you would prefer to drive your own car to work instead of a ferrari, and by your own car I mean a car that's missing an engine

[novel hinge]

that's why it doesn't look quite right

[hardy atlas]

at the end of the day the authoring process for an HDR LUT without replacing the broken tone mapping would just be screwing around in color grading software until it looks right

not mathematically sound

[novel hinge]

thank u for explaining

[hardy atlas]

in SDR however

the tonemapping and color grading is all built into the LUT

so the author has full control

@worthy isle did you mention at some point that you had taken the game's SDR LUTs and ran them through inverse ACES to get a clean untonemapped but graded LUT

[wary ember]

Yeah this is 99% of LUTs for this game lol

None look good imo

[hardy atlas]

ya I think any LUT that removes the sun kissed look from the game just breaks the atmosphere

maybe to non americans its fine

but seeing a chicano street gang with weather/LUTs that look like seattle is immersion breaking

[vital junco]

the GTA IV "photo realistic" mod syndrome

[brisk zodiac]

Musa resisting the urge to say sun kissed impossible challange

[hardy atlas]

that's a good way to describe the game's visuals

describe elon musk without saying retarded

[brisk zodiac]

[hardy atlas]

or be like the frenchman and just say regarded

[brisk zodiac]

Night City

sunkissed

[vital junco]

oh, you mean Comet Azur's father

[brisk zodiac]

I dunno man

[olive cloak]

kinda associate the cyberpunk genre with the filimc saturated look

[brisk zodiac]

if it aint night,dark and raining 24/7

I DONT WANT IT

[wary ember]

The modding community for this game generally loves cold color temp and desaturated colors lol

[olive cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-2049-gif-7993237219332977809

I really need to watch blade runner but when I think of cyberpunk I think of this scene

[hardy atlas]

this game doesn't really look like blade runner during the day

at night it does

[tame canopy]

might just boot it up to finish the mod and delete it from my hard drive

[brisk zodiac]

5 year anniversary patch will break everything

[olive cloak]

might actually play the game if you do that lol

[brisk zodiac]

you'll have to update again

[hardy atlas]

does blade runner use colored film grain

Eastman Kodak 5257

[olive cloak]

Don't think I've seen colored film grain in a game before

[hardy atlas]

cyberpunk

dying light

batman ak

[olive cloak]

guess I'm not very observant

lol

[hardy atlas]

there needs to be some kind of library that measures the characteristics of film stocks

so their look can be reproduced digitally

[olive cloak]

any pics of that?

[tame canopy]

aces2 is just neutral

[hardy atlas]

the saturation stuff

i thought it by default does add some contrast

[tame canopy]

1.05 to balance reinhard midgray match

or 1.1

something like that

but Vanilla HDR lut has ACES so, if you do neutral on that, then you're getting ACES SDR colors, but borked curves from their stretching.

problem is unborking the stretch

i don't remember what i tried for that

i tried the thing we did in FF7 i think

like, wtf is this

as in sdr lut vs ToneMapper:None and 95 scaling shows the HDR LUT is just the ACES SDR LUT, but stretched

just needs a better neutral tonemap. if the SDR lut is already ACES, it should already have all its hue shifts

[brisk zodiac]

Do you look forward to Witcher 4's HDR?

[hardy atlas]

it will be better

its ue

just gonna be aces 2 likely

which will use 2.4 gamma in SDR

[brisk zodiac]

inb4 CDPR do their own custom bs again

[alpine spruce]

new gamma mismatch time

[alpine spruce]

expect double itm and triple aces

[worthy isle]

Nope, might have been null that mentioned that at some point. That aces bake haha dang that was awhile ago. Fortunately I've learned alot more about making luts since then. Hope to have something to throw out here soon. Keep getting torn between the realistic look and a filmic emulation look. Sounds like people want a warmer toned lut, I'll keep that in mind.

[slim nebula]

Hi, I installed the mod. Should I turn the in-game HDR setting ON or leave it OFF? Thanks!

[wary ember]

On

[serene vine]

Sorry if this is dumb but I am kinda new to discord. I read something about a wip mod here that is supposed to look closer to SDR but I can't seem to find a pinned link for it anywhere.

[serene vine]

thank you

cool dude

[serene vine]

Unfortunately that version of the mod gave me what appeared to be an inverse colour border/artefacting around the mini map in the top right corner.

It definitely looked closer to SDR with less clipping though

[serene vine]

Is that normal? or is there maybe something I can do to fix it because I am finding the clipping in the github repository to be quite distracting at certain points

trading raised blacks for clipping is kind of like settling for the lesser of 2 evils

[tame canopy]

vanilla grain?

[cunning mulch]

Are you sure it's not the debug window?

Check in Reshade options > renodx at the bottom

For some reason it was on for me as well when I first used this dll

[serene vine]

I seem to have got my issues sorted out. It was indeed the debug window. I decided to play this game on my LG C1 OLED instead of my aw3423dwf because the HDR PQ is just that much better on it. Thanks! I am really glad this community exists.

[serene vine]

Just one question for now. My current settings I have LUT scaling set to 65 the rest default, In game Tone-Mapping Midpoint set to 1.0. What about the HDR10 PQ saturation setting?

[tame canopy]

0

i just realized how nonsensical "PQ Saturation" is when CDPR called it that.

it's BT2020 Saturation, at least as they tried (and failed) to do it

[serene vine]

Cheers!

The WIP looks amazing btw!

[worthy isle]

Just noticed the new snapshot build. Any know what's changed?

[hardy atlas]

nothing, shortfuse refactored includes

[worthy isle]

Thanks. Guess I'll stick with the WIP for the neat debug.

[tepid galleon]

I just booted up the game in order to make settings according to the "ideal" settings from what I gathered. Before I actually attempt a new game I totally wanna screenshot settings and ask here whether I understood correctly.

[gilded stirrup]

I started a new playthrough of Cyberpunk yesterday with the amazing RenoDX HDR mod.

Does the film grain that is included with RenoDX work for you guys? I love the look of film grain but I can't see any no matter the value that I set it to. Even with the value at 100 I don't see any film grain

[maiden oasis]

It's more subtle. I typically play with it at around 20 tbh.

If you want something stronger I recommend Meteor Filmgrain or Zenteons filmgrain. Lilium also has one and there's filmgrain built into the pCamera shader. So you have plenty of options.

I typically use a more intense filmgrain for screenshots and more subtle for gameplay

[gilded stirrup]

Is Meteor Filmgrain or Zenteons filmgrain something that I can install during the Reshade setup?

[maiden oasis]

Yes, both of them

Same with the other two

PCamera is under potatoFX and Lilium's is under reshade hdr shaders

[gilded stirrup]

Thank you

Are there any other effects that you recommend?

Or add-ons

[maiden oasis]

Highly recommend the Ultra+ mod

That and Reno are beautiful

[gilded stirrup]

That looks amazing, great suggestion

Is there a way to get the default vanilla film grain back while using RenoDX?

[gilded stirrup]

It's insane how good this game looks on the highest settings with path tracing

[formal orbit]

[gilded stirrup]

based pepe

[formal orbit]

-# wha

[ancient jackal]

Just installed this add-on. Impressive work. The specular highlights are now much brighter on my mini led monitor after few adjustments. Thanks for all your efforts.

[tame canopy]

it's broken in vanilla

not because renodx

CDPR broke it a couple months ago

with 2.21 or something

[gilded stirrup]

I was unaware of that, thank you for sharing the info.

[tepid galleon]

meaning vanilla grain should be disabled in settinngs?

[tame canopy]

RenoDX respects the game menu slider

[velvet cargo]

SF, I know it's a personal preference, but do you recommend turning it off in the game?

[hardy atlas]

the art direction is a little inconsistent

you're supposed to be seeing through robot eyes

but there's film grain

film grain would match blade runner which was the inspiration for cyberpunk though

[velvet cargo]

so you'd say adding film grain is what they intended the game to look like even if it doesn't make sense?

[tame canopy]

a lot of the game doesn't make sense

like vertical bloom

[wary ember]

I find that it doesn’t make much sense in Cyberpunk. I usually have it always on in other games but here I turn it off

[hardy atlas]

Ya

[ancient jackal]

Do the lut sliders on Renodx affect/interfere with nova lut mod. Is it better to not have it. Just noticed when you scan in game the red lines are much more noticeable. I put the lut sliders down to 50 because it reduces the bloom and without reducing brightness.

[maiden oasis]

Nova LUT is a pain to get working right with Reno in my opinion. I just use Preem LUT 3

someone else used these settings with Nova LUT though

[ancient jackal]

I shall try preem lut. Does Renodx have it's own internal lut or is it actually tuning whichever lut mod you have installed.

I find it, if I take the slider all the way down closer to 0, the hues get all funny. I'll try with nova lut uninstalled.

[hardy atlas]

renodx uses the LUT you have installed

unless you have lut strength set to 0

[ancient jackal]

@maiden oasis So I've uninstalled nova lut. All this time nova lut has been muting my highlights. Without it and even with Renodx disabled my highlights are at expected brightness. I've installed preem lut, but the highlights are now too bright and overblown. What settings on redo complement preem lut. Do you mind screenshotting your settings on Reno.

Myin game settings in HDR is peak brightness at 1200 nits and midpoint at 1. I've tried aces and redo in the tonemapping, but all result in overblown highlights.

[maiden oasis]

^

[gilded stirrup]

Does RenoDX improve frame generation as well? I'm using Multi Frame Generation X4 and I'm not seeing any artifacting or ghosting

[ancient jackal]

@maiden oasis Hey thanks for that. Unfortunately those settings just dim brightness too much and the default settings overblown highlights. Only way to get it right is to reduce lut strength way down which makes having lut installed pointless. I've gone back to Nova Lut. I had the old nova and just saw that there was an upgrade to 3.0. This works perfectly with aces tonemapping. Thanks for your help all the same. Btw do you have an oled monitor, which may explain why your settings don't translate well to my mini led.

[hardy atlas]

Nova lut is built for the vanilla hdr which applies a really cursed autohdr formula for values above like 500 nits

[maiden oasis]

yeah I have OLED 🙂

Cyanide is working on Nova LUT 4 which is supposed to be even better but no idea when that's coming out. I've tried using Nova LUT 3 so many times and I've never gotten anything good out of it.

[hardy atlas]

Impossible to properly author anything without changing shader code

In SDR you have full control

In HDR you’d have to disable the tonemapping and then hardcode peak brightness and paper white to have the same level of control

[gilded stirrup]

I was using the mod that is available on Nexus but today I realized that there is a newer version on this Discord. I'm noticing artifacting and ghosting while using the add-on that is available on this Discord while the mod that is on Nexus does not have any artifacting and ghosting. Did any of you experience this as well?

[wary ember]

Shouldn’t affect ghosting at all

Maybe it makes it more visible cause it’s not crushed af

[urban bison]

Does RenoDX screw up photo mode screenshots somehow / or I guess more accurately does it work with photo mode in general. Reason I'm asking is because I had a screenshot setup going on with some lights and it looked perfect to me in-game with Reno, then I snapped the shot and it turned out insanely overexposed.

Like in-game this was perfect on my end but when I took the screenshot from in-game it turns out like this:

[tame canopy]

more like you're getting vanilla shader/lut on your image

also, i don't think CP2077 even supports HDR screenshots whereas reshade does

all the real homies use Reshade

[urban bison]

I had a hunch that might have been the case but was afraid to even bring that up lol

Is there some way to get parity between Reshade and the in-game photo mode or is that basically impossible?

[tame canopy]

probably a missing shader. the photomode has some luts and not sure how it works. didn't really dive into it.

but the fix would be more code, basically

[urban bison]

Speaking of which I did also forget to mention I am using a LUT mod alongside this but I wasn't sure if it had as much of an impact

[tame canopy]

it's probably vanilla's HDR on top of the custom lut, so probably all weird. and i'm not even sure how screenshot mode works in terms of their code. might be some secondary tonemap to sdr process

[urban bison]

I do know that photo mode in general seems to be "weird", for instance Ray Reconstruction is apparently broken within it

But the LUT should be HDR compatible overall, it's Nova LUT 3.0 (with Nova City 2) and then RenoDX on top of it all

I have Reno's setting set so that it applies to the vanilla tonemap I believe also, as was intended

[tame canopy]

i know the screenshot tool dosen't use the main render lut at times. it can use other luts, especially to create effects, and those LUTs are SDR. then the game does some messed up stretching for HDR. but when you take the screenshot it might do something else for one frame to capture the image

[urban bison]

so then what can I do short of temporarily disabling reno for photomode shots?

[tame canopy]

use reshade screenshot?

it preserves HDR

unless you mean photomode is broken even when paused

[urban bison]

yeah I guess but isnt that more of a basic screen capture as opposed to doing whatever fancy rendering the game itself does?

like wont I lose a lot of detail?

[tame canopy]

@maiden oasis how do you screenshot?

uh, though he might AutoHDR them

[urban bison]

I know there are also external camera tools (like Otis) for cyberpunk's photo mode but i really dont wanna use that and overcomplicate things

that tool even lets you hotsample

some kind of weird dll injection is involved, Idk much about it

some screenshot posters for cyberpunk do use it though, however I dont believe they use hdr with it

[tame canopy]

can you show me a reshade screenshot of paused versus screenshot mode? so i can see how much of a difference we're talking about?

i had assumed Creepy just had stupid high diffuse white, but the shots are probably SDR => HDR inverse tonemap

[urban bison]

I'll try to when I get back to my pc in a lil bit. I have a screenshot from Steam though of that same shot from before if you wanna see it, however it's wonky with color banding and crushed colors

I took it just in case but I didnt think to use reshade to capture the shot itself

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611441769581772810/1464094783428624466/2086661.JPG?ex=6974e0c5&is=69738f45&hm=61d2021f4b5dd819c8fc1bf46cc33b0ecde65150a9820418ffb2f12972d24095&

[tame canopy]

some games we mod straight up crash if you try to use the in-game screenshot tool because we mod stuff to hdr when the base game is sdr only, so basically everyone uses reshade screenshot

[urban bison]

weirdly enough this looks fine on my phone and not on my oled lol

[maiden oasis]

Just normal hdr PNG from reshade while using Otis camera tools

Photomode breaks ray reconstruction

And just looks worse in general

[urban bison]

ah you also use Otis

[onyx lintel]

Which version of RenoDX allows you to toggle "Film Grain Type"?

[maiden oasis]

the WIP that's pinned

[onyx lintel]

Oh I see, the snapshot from January doesn't have it I guess.

[maiden oasis]

yeah disregard the snapshot date, it was never pushed to the github since it's still technically in Beta

but it works just fine

[ancient jackal]

Does anyone else experience frametime issues/stuttering with reshade add on version installed. Even if I have no shaders active. If I toggle reshade off the stutters go away (Renodx stays active). I can replicate this every time. I've installed the reshade with no add ons and it runs without a hitch. I was racking my brain trying to figure out why it was running so badly. Tried reinstalling graphics drivers, roll back to earlier drivers. Is it just me?

[tame canopy]

Disable the depth addon

It's expensive on dx12

[ancient jackal]

AHH I see. Thanks for that.

[urban bison]

I took a screenshot with Reno last night but for some reason the image is... weird? It behaves normally if you view it full screen but if you try to edit it or try to look at it from mobile preview it looks all.. gray

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611441769581772810/1464896206059868253/Cyberpunk2077_2026-01-25_03-04-43_084.png?ex=6977cb27&is=697679a7&hm=9d850dd9a1a72f360e407a7cc38469fb4fe822c12f270cca30515631a59b0824&

I'm not entirely sure why this is the case

do I have to save it in a different format or whatever?

mobile screenshots to show what I'm talking about. It looks greyed like this if I try to edit/crop it from within Windows and saves grayed like that too.

[tame canopy]

discord re-encodes the image to save your precious mobile data, and does a bad job doing so

it strips out the PQ viewing "instructions", so you're getting the wrong decoding in the preview, whereas the fullscreen is the original file

[hardy atlas]

the hdr preview work fine on desktop

[urban bison]

what about trying to edit it with simple windows picture/gallery editing to crop it? I dont want to have to boot up GIMP every time to crop an image into a certain aspect ratio, and I cant take pictures in Cyberpunk in a certain aspect ratio without photomode either

[limber herald]

Hey guys, quick question.
I got really curious why RenoDX tries to emulate a 2.2 gamma curve even in HDR mode.
I’m currently digging into the whole image pipeline: sRGB, PQ EOTF, tone mapping, etc and I’m trying to understand the logic behind this.
If the output is already PQ-based, why emulate gamma 2.2 at all?

[hardy atlas]

https://www.glowybits.com/blog/2017/01/04/ifl_iss_hdr_2/

The idea is that these games were likely developed on 2.2 gamma displays

Meaning that even if they encoded with sRGB

They used 2.2 displays thus the encoding isn’t mirrored

The end result of that is boosted contrast in shadows

So we emulate that boost by adding an srgb encode and 2.2 decode before pq encode

Naughty dog also does something similar in TLOU

They blend scene and ui in srgb

Then decode with 2.4 by default or whatever you have the contrast setting set to

If you just take the linear image and encode in pq

You miss that step that boosts contrast

It’s weird and bad math that ends up baked into the look of the game so we have to emulate it

[limber herald]

So the whole point is that the developers and artists saw a 2.2 curve on their monitor, and not sRGB? Did I understand correctly?

[hardy atlas]

Ya

Mostly every monitor outputs 2.2 out of the box

And often the sRGB modes on monitors only refer to gamut and not gamma curve

UE switched from encoding with sRGB to encoding with 2.4 by default with UE 5.8 so hdr games likely won’t be washed out anymore

[limber herald]

Wow. Okay, thanks.
I actually didn't think sRGB and 2.2 would be that much different in the shadows.

[hardy atlas]

The reason why people complain about windows hdr being washed out

Is that is decodes using srgb

Though technically correct it’s likely not representative what a lot of content was created on

[limber herald]

One last clarification, just to make sure I understand correctly.
The engine works in sRGB, then applies the EOTF to obtain linear values, and then applies the PQ curve.
Somewhere between these steps, RenoDX adjusts the signal so that the original signal is equivalent to 2.2.

[hardy atlas]

Well the textures all sRGB then decoded to linear, lighting, post processing, etc, then
In sdr:
sRGB encoded before sending out to the display, the display then decodes with 2.2
in hdr:
pq encoded before sending out to the display, the display then decodes with pq

Reno adds an extra step before pq

[limber herald]

Ah, I see. Thank you very much.

[hardy atlas]

Where it encodes srgb and decodes 2.2

Which gets you back to linear with the extra contrast from 2.2

Then pq encodes

[ashen pendant]

Will they keep skipping LUTs though? Haha.

[scenic pumice]

is nova LUT good and does it work with Reno?

[olive cloak]

I'd just stick with vanilla

[maiden oasis]

Or Preem LUT 3

[maiden oasis]

Some people use it with success, I personally don't care for it. Here's settings you can use with both LUTs https://www.hdrmods.com/Cyberpunk

Scroll down to the recommended LUTs portion of the guide

[hardy atlas]

when developers use filmic tonemapper now they've made it so that enabling hdr will just do inverse tonemapping

so luts will still apply but its autohdr now (with good bit depth at least)

makes it easier for modders at least, cause now the code between sdr and hdr are more closely aligned to start with

[bleak quarry]

anyone have the newest version of RENOdx

the one on github doesnt seem to work for me

[mint ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mirrorverse-pins-mirrorverse-gif-26161494

[maiden oasis]

literally replied to you in #🆘helpdesk lmao

[bleak quarry]

that one doesnt work for me like it wont apear

when i put it into my game files when i boot up the game renoDX isnt there

[maiden oasis]

https://www.hdrmods.com/Cyberpunk

Just wrote this last night

Should help you with some common questions 🙂

But to answer your question, ReShade and the Reno addon goes into the Cyberpunk 2077/bin/x64 folder

[bleak quarry]

did that aswell maybe i had an outdated version of Reshade

should i install the one with full addon support ?

[maiden oasis]

yeah latest addon version

[scenic pumice]

yo guys I do not remember if I am using the the wip renodx addon from this channel or not, how can I check?

[maiden oasis]

If you see the SDR EOTF Emulation setting within RenoDX you're using the WIP version

or just check the /bin/x64 folder for the RenoDX addon which has WIP in the name

[bleak quarry]

thank you so much

game looks realyl washed though

if anyone has any tips to make it look more like how to make it look vanilla/how it supposed to look like in trailers

[scenic pumice]

i think you are just used to overly saturated colors

[bleak quarry]

maybe the screenshot doesnt do it well

[scenic pumice]

actually dont have it lol

have been using another version

[maiden oasis]

yeah the cyberpunk Reno versions are confusing (hence why I wrote the guide 😛 )

[scenic pumice]

I remember I actually tried putting it in the same folder

as my default one

but it did not work because they both have the same name

[maiden oasis]

they'll actually have different addon names

but you don't want to use one with the other

[scenic pumice]

I mean the file names are different but whenever I boot up my game it says that they are the same and it doesnt boot up

[maiden oasis]

ahh, yeah

make sense

[scenic pumice]

I will remove the old one

add the WIP one

[maiden oasis]

it makes a big difference

[scenic pumice]

same settings like these?

I actually use scRGB in my game

and not HDR10 PQ

people told me that it is mostly personal preference

[maiden oasis]

I always pick HDR10 to help with other ReShade shader compatibility. scRGB screws SDR shaders up so bad

[scenic pumice]

um

lol

[maiden oasis]

lmao

[scenic pumice]

it looks like this with the WIP

[maiden oasis]

looks...fine...

[scenic pumice]

I just remembered that I actually already tried this

[scenic pumice]

like im in silent hill

[maiden oasis]

you're not using RTXHDR are you?

make sure that's turned off globally

[scenic pumice]

have never turned it on so no

[maiden oasis]

good lad

[scenic pumice]

using my display hdr

[maiden oasis]

the UI looks fine though which is hilarious

[scenic pumice]

AQ27G3XMN

no idea why this is happening

anybody has a clue?

the default addon file is fine but this is horrendus

[maiden oasis]

I've never seen anyone using the WIP that had that issue, that's wild.

[scenic pumice]

are my settings maybe bad?

[maiden oasis]

I mean this is what I use

so that looks fine to me

are you still on scRGB mode?

I'm jumping into the game now to test for myself

[scenic pumice]

oh also

when I used the old one

if I didnt set exposure to 0.5

this is whjat it looked like

[maiden oasis]

were you using the Nexus version?

[scenic pumice]

yeah I think I downloaded from there

[maiden oasis]

that's why

that version won't work at all

[scenic pumice]

aha

where do I actually download it from?

[maiden oasis]

You can download all Reno mods from here: https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods (click snapshot)

[bleak quarry]

so is the game supposed to look really dark at night?

[grand pulsar]

Use the Reshade menu to adjust, defaults are meant for tweaking

[maiden oasis]

are you using Nova City 2?

[scenic pumice]

oh

I downloaded from here

just remembered

from the github link

[maiden oasis]

gotcha

[scenic pumice]

I mean let me try agfain I guess

but wait the snapshot is just the addon64 file?

[grand pulsar]

That’s all y need

[scenic pumice]

and the wip file is an addon64 file

[grand pulsar]

The addon does not care what reshade you use

As long as it has addon support

6.7.1 works fine

[scenic pumice]

yeah but that will not solve my issue because I will just replace the addon with the WIP one, no?

[maiden oasis]

no

[grand pulsar]

The addon from nexus is what’s causing ur problem

[maiden oasis]

WIP isn't on github yet

[grand pulsar]

U need the addon from discord

[scenic pumice]

well I am a little confused

so I just install the one from github and put that in the folder?

[maiden oasis]

Nexus = Oldest
Github = newer
Discord (WIP) = newest

[grand pulsar]

The version on nexus is old. The one on GitHub is a bit newe, but still old. The discord one is newest and what you should be using always

[scenic pumice]

I mean yeah but the newest one is not working properly and I am looking for someone to help me make it work

[grand pulsar]

Are you sure you’re actually using the newest one from discord?

[scenic pumice]

^

this is how it looks

[scenic pumice]

yes I literally just installed it

[maiden oasis]

and you removed the old one?

[scenic pumice]

yes otherwise it would not boot

it is in a seperate folder

[grand pulsar]

I use the WIP one and don’t have ur issue

[maiden oasis]

are you using any other addons?

[grand pulsar]

Are u sure windows auto hdr is disabled

[scenic pumice]

nope

[scenic pumice]

yes

[maiden oasis]

Windows AutoHDR is fine btw

just RTXHDR is the problem causer

[scenic pumice]

im using native hdr

[grand pulsar]

What’s ur game settings

Ur using HDR10 PQ right

Or whatever it’s called

[scenic pumice]

yes

[maiden oasis]

newest version of reshade?

[scenic pumice]

how can I check?

[grand pulsar]

Just download Reshade 6.7.1 with full addon support from Reshade website and install it

[scenic pumice]

oh wait

found a log file

Initializing crosire's ReShade version '6.6.2.2081'

so that is the cause right

[grand pulsar]

Who’s crosire

[maiden oasis]

the creator of ReShade

[scenic pumice]

yes

[grand pulsar]

Oh lol

Id install newest

6.7.1

[scenic pumice]

yup

[grand pulsar]

With addon support

[scenic pumice]

can I somehow update it?

[maiden oasis]

yep

[scenic pumice]

can you guys provide a link?

[maiden oasis]

download the installer, pick Cyberpunk, select Update

[scenic pumice]

is it this? https://reshade.me/

[maiden oasis]

yep

[scenic pumice]

oh this is new

[grand pulsar]

https://reshade.me/downloads/ReShade_Setup_6.7.1_Addon.exe

[scenic pumice]

january 18th

[maiden oasis]

yeah it just came out

[grand pulsar]

make sure u choose the right cyberpunk exe

[scenic pumice]

oh so this

[grand pulsar]

should be in /bin/x64 or something

[scenic pumice]

reshade with addon support one right?

[grand pulsar]

i setn the link

[scenic pumice]

yes

[grand pulsar]

^^

[scenic pumice]

didnt see sorry

[maiden oasis]

if you run the installer it'll place reshade in the correct place

[scenic pumice]

DX10/11/12 right

[maiden oasis]

yep

[scenic pumice]

and first or second option?

[maiden oasis]

first

[scenic pumice]

oookay

its done

[bleak quarry]

i am not is it good?

[scenic pumice]

can I uninstall the .exe file btw?

for reshade

its like a one time setup right?

[maiden oasis]

the exe file is just an interface for installing reshade, it doesn't actually put anything into windows to uninstall. But yes you can delete it if you want

but don't pick uninstall because it'll remove reshade lmao

[scenic pumice]

well I have some bad news

its the same LOL

[maiden oasis]

do me a favor, can you send me your reshade.log

[tepid galleon]

default condition of people coming new to this channel, don't worry

[scenic pumice]

yeah its newest version reshade as well

lol

I mean I will just leave this for someone to tell me

if anyone has clues

[maiden oasis]

yes...upload your log lol (/bin/x64)

-# as I'm literally working on the guide lmao

[tame canopy]

enable color precision high in the game settings

[scenic pumice]

wow

that solved it

thanks

[maiden oasis]

adding that shit to the guide now lmao

[grand pulsar]

i did try asking if your ingame settings were correct

[scenic pumice]

I had it on medium when following an optimized guide for the graphics

[grand pulsar]

optimize my nuts

so useless

[scenic pumice]

I mean you asked me about which hdr mode

nvm

[scenic pumice]

itsa not

[tame canopy]

r11g11b10 garbage

[grand pulsar]

i love the optimization guides that tell u to uninstall microsoft store which breaks critical apps and ruins updates lol

[scenic pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B03_Aa5NwIY&pp=ygUpaGFyZHdhcmUgdW5ib3hlZCBjeWJlcnB1bmsgMjA3NyBvcHRpbWl6ZWTYBtkK

this video

[scenic pumice]

why are you jumping to conclusions?

they dont say that

also I already have IoT windows so almost no bloatware lol

[scenic pumice]

what does that mean?

[tame canopy]

the games stores in partial 11/11/10bit (rendering is always 32/32/32) which looks like ass in gradients

High stores 16/16/16

microsoft and AMD made a new 32bit per pixel format called r9g9b9e5. not as good as rgba16f, but can show how bad r11g11b10 can be

More comparisons: https://bartwronski.com/2017/04/02/small-float-formats-r11g11b10f-precision/

[scenic pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/cerebro-explosion-mind-blown-gif-8141811

does it impact performance much?

actually let me check for myself

will run a benchmark

[tame canopy]

i would say run the benchmark, but generally r11g11b10f is not worth it

also, realizing they could probably have saved more performance by not doing some stupid hacks with UI, since rgba16f would let you easily composite alpha (UI) with the render, so they probably burn more time doing render/ui transfers

[maiden oasis]

just use Ultra+ for the performance stuff

that mod is gold

[tame canopy]

color precision high forces 16bit storage, but still uses the r11g11b10f workaround for transfering of ui/render

[scenic pumice]

i am running these optimized settings minus the color presicion to high

[maiden oasis]

btw ShortFuse, is there a list of all the HDR issues Cyberpunk has? Wanted to add it to the guide

[scenic pumice]

what, thought that eats performance and makes the game look better

by the title of the mod

[maiden oasis]

it can do both

it adds new graphics settings that both improve performance but also add newer path tracing modes that can make it look better

[scenic pumice]

yeah I lost like 2 fps with color precision set to high

so about 1 fps because some benchmarks run differently

[tame canopy]

SDR uses LUTs that clip, they don't properly roll off. But they're all baked with ACES. So they're graded, with ACES per channel coloring, and their color tuning.

For HDR, they took the SDR LUT, and as they were stretched them to 1900 nits. If the SDR LUT went to 100 nits, then it stretched them to 1900. If the SDR LUTs went to 325 nits (clipping over 100 nits), they were also stretched to 1900 nits. So they have inconsistent stretching. Then, after taking their ACES-baked SDR LUTs stretched to 1900 nits, they apply their custom ACES HDR to apply a second round of ACES to try to tonemap it down to user selected peak. Except they didn't. First of all, a LUT that only goes to 1900 nits would never hit peak, because that's not how you're supposed to use ACES. It's supposed to be the render. They're supposed to do Render => ACES-HDR. They did Render => ACESSDR-LUT-Stretched-to-1900-nits => CustomStretchedACESHDR. And they still overshot user peak by about 10%. And their custom ACES would scale and stretch based on what you put. The more peak nits your put, the more it did per channel stretching, meaning overcoloring things.

It's basically nonsense and had no metric of sanity. The original RenoDX fix I did was to at least fix the stretching from their custom ACES HDR. I redid the CP2077 mod, and the one that's in the Discord targets the SDR look, fully knowing their HDR LUT is just cooked, ITM ACES-SDR.

when asked recently

[maiden oasis]

thank you sir

[tame canopy]

how many FPS?

[scenic pumice]

from 85 to 83

but I am aware if I run the benchmark again it will show maybe more maybe less fps

[modern rivet]

BTW, I have the same issue as you with the weird colors on the upper hand side of the screen. Do you know where it comes from? I have so many mods that it's a pain to pinpoint.

[tame canopy]

2% of 85 is 1.7, so about 1.7 frames is within the commonly used 2% margin of error

[tame canopy]

that's the renodx debug graph

[scenic pumice]

will check it out I guess

[scenic pumice]

meh

I will try it

most likely will like it more

since I can actually use this newer addon

[tame canopy]

you can notice r11g11b10f banding in blues skies

[scenic pumice]

and not the old ass one

[maiden oasis]

is that FPS with or without FG btw?

[scenic pumice]

without

[modern rivet]

Oh, how do I turn that off?

[scenic pumice]

in 1440p

I have a 3080 ti

and 7600X

[tame canopy]

should be an option in RenoDX

[tame canopy]

probably at the bottom

hit on and off

for Debug Graph

[bleak quarry]

i cant figure out how this game is supposed to look with renoDX for the life of me lmao

[scenic pumice]

damn

this looks much better I think

than before

I have been going about this wrong lmao

[tame canopy]

check the pins

[scenic pumice]

well thanks everyone for the help

[maiden oasis]

@scenic pumice just set color precision to medium in my game...yeah it looks worse than yours 🤣

[scenic pumice]

damn

you cant even make out shit

I guess for me color precision on medium is a silent hill mod

[maiden oasis]

so yeah...very important setting

[scenic pumice]

yeah it should be written somewhere here

or in that guide of yours

[tame canopy]

color precision medium is because i didn't want to write all the shader variations

lowbit = medium

[maiden oasis]

hence the screenshots I'm taking 😛

[bleak quarry]

still looks off with saturation at 60 and contrast at 60

[tame canopy]

relative to ?

you can swap back to vanilla with the options

but Vanilla HDR is essentially custom/broken CDPR grading

[hardy atlas]

its moreso for consoles

something to do with unified memory

and bandwidth

[bleak quarry]

before i got my oled on my old monitor it looked how it looks in the trailer like this

[tame canopy]

in SDR?

[bleak quarry]

HDR on the Oled with renodx makes day time really washed in colors

[tame canopy]

washed out relative to?

i'm not sure what your A/B tests are

[scenic pumice]

old monitor with SDR compared to OLED HDR I think

[tame canopy]

that's not really measurable. who knows what the old monitor is doing in SDR. could have saturation dialed up to 100 for all we know

SDR is basically random

in SDR, panels show whatever decoding, gamma and colorspace it wants

[bleak quarry]

street

is this light gray color

the HDR screenshot gets sent as a file for some reason

so that picture didnt do it justice lol sorry

[maiden oasis]

how are you taking your screenshots?

[tame canopy]

looks SDR

[maiden oasis]

yeah it's SDR screenshot, just checked with SKIV

use ReShade to take an HDR PNG screenshot which Discord supports

[bleak quarry]

gamebar

[maiden oasis]

gamebar is hit and miss, just stick with ReShade when using Reno

[bleak quarry]

is there a hotkey for it?

[maiden oasis]

printscreen by default but you can change it to whatever

[bleak quarry]

also thank you guys a lot for helping me

[maiden oasis]

it will get put into your /bin/x64 bin by default

all good, this is honestly helping me figure out what I should add to my guide stuff 🙂

[bleak quarry]

that better?

[maiden oasis]

there we go

boom

[bleak quarry]

let me try to explain without sounding like an idiot lol, the streets are this light gray look almost how those realistic 4k 5090 modded videos look

[tame canopy]

you mean the grain on it?

reduce film grain?

[hardy atlas]

are you using the peak 1000 mode on your oled

in peak 1000 mode abl dims the entire screen causing bright scenes to become dim

[bleak quarry]

everything else looks screwed up but this is just for my explanation what i mean is in this screenshot the road looks a little more correct, (it being a darker shade bringing out the details on the road)

[bleak quarry]

peak 1000 on reno?

[hardy atlas]

i mean your monitor's setting

[tame canopy]

might want lower game brightness

[hardy atlas]

oled monitors usually have at least 2 modes

the fake hdr 1000 mode

[tame canopy]

or more contrast

[hardy atlas]

and the real true black 400 mode

1000 mode ends up dimmer than 400 mode in any bright scene

[bleak quarry]

but the colors look kinda washed

[tame canopy]

take a reshade screenshot of SDR mode

[bleak quarry]

im using what i have for calibration

[bleak quarry]

alrighty

[tame canopy]

you might have a calibration issue

(or some SDR only lut)

[tame canopy]

colors look just about like SDR, which it should. if your display's SDR mode overcoloring?

when you look at the SDR screenshot when in Windows HDR, does it look different?

[bleak quarry]

yes

no true blacks in Windows HDR on oled

but true blacks with renoDX

[tame canopy]

that's not what i mean

[bleak quarry]

oh sorry

[tame canopy]

when you look at the SDR screenshot you just took but with Windows HDR on, do the colors look different than SDR?

[bleak quarry]

nope

[tame canopy]

so, you want it to look... how? because it sounds like it looks like it should, which is SDR, and the colors aren't washed out

but you're saying the colors are washed out, but... look the same?

[bleak quarry]

i want it to look how CD project red intended

if that makes sense

like how it looks in screenshots and stuff

ill explain everything that looks wrong imo

[tame canopy]

you opened it in SDR and said it looks like it does in HDR like it does in SDR

the intended look is the SDR

[bleak quarry]

the dirt in the badlands looks washed and seems to have little color more tan than slight red the streets look way to light grayish and seem to remove the small finer detials on the street

weirldy night time looks great

[tame canopy]

what display do you have?

[bleak quarry]

ROG Strix OLED XG27AQWMG

WOLED display

[tame canopy]

i'll have to pull up the game to see if i find what you mean. but it doesn't look more muted than SDR? because HDR is just overcooked HDR, which isn't really the goal to make an overcolored image

i know 4th gen LG OLED has some funky contrast, but not sure it's that

[hardy atlas]

hdr is broken so the only reference we can trust for what is intended is sdr

[bleak quarry]

what do you guys have your LUT strenth and scaling at

[urban bison]

I myself use Nova LUT 3 (I think its 3) with Reno and for the most part it looks decent, however I think there are some instances where colors might get a bit crushed

I play with it, Ultra+, and Nova City 2

I was thinking of maybe ditching the LUT temporarily

[maiden oasis]

I think I'm calling this done for the time being: https://www.hdrmods.com/Cyberpunk

Feel free to let me know if anything should be added and/or changed

[bleak quarry]

wait so we're supposed to make HDR look more like SDR?

in terms of colors

[brisk zodiac]

Yes

HDR is SDR+ in a sense

Should be SDR but unclamped from SDR limitations of 1.0 but still maintain creative intent of hues, saturation and visual look

HDR should be unclamping highlights in content so it goes above 100nits standard or 203nits for games

Being more colorful or more vibrant is a 'misconception' brought about by early HDR output graded media being 'deepfried' in a sense to sell off the wow effect to consumers, HDR will have more colour volume in previously clamp highlight regions sure but the whole image isnt meant to have higher saturation

[urban bison]

For some reason I'm getting this banding and I'm not sure what's going on. I followed Creepy's HDR guide as a reference for Reno settings (but for my 520 nit monitor) and I'm getting these awful crushed blacks and periodic banding

Any ideas?

I tried with and without Nova LUT 3 and it had the same results basically

Oh, I am using Nova City 2 as well which I know is supposed to darken some areas and removes auto eye adaptation but surely that cant be the cause right?

[maiden oasis]

Nova City 2 will darken the interiors

[urban bison]

Yeah but not to the point of banding or crushed blacks right?

[maiden oasis]

correct

the loading screen I'm not so sure though

what settings are you using? for 520 nits you'll probably have to adjust the reno settings more

[maiden oasis]

try turning off SDR EOTF emulation

that will lighten it a bit

or set it to UI/Menu only

I would have made my own Nova LUT 3 settings with Reno but I never got it to look good enough for my tastes

[urban bison]

my bad I also forgot to set the lut scaling to 1 instead of 100 per the settings on your guide from Roybaker. But here is with that + SDR EOTF emulation turned to UI only

[maiden oasis]

that's better

[urban bison]

It's definitely brighter

[maiden oasis]

yeah that doesn't look crushed

I should probably add a disclaimer to those settings that I have no idea how well that works lmao

the Preem LUT 3 one though I'll stand behind

I think the WIP version has issues with the vanilla world map, but I've always used the realistic map mod so I didn't think to verify if that was true or not

[urban bison]

I was confused for a second if you were talking about normal maps from a texture standpoint or the game's world map lol

[maiden oasis]

yeah poor choice of words 😛

[urban bison]

btw, going from my Reno preset to vanilla, the preset for some reason is much brighter than vanilla itself

[maiden oasis]

with the vanilla LUT or Nova?

[urban bison]

Nova

but like I said it behaves the same with vanilla

[maiden oasis]

I know Nova LUT 3 is a tad bright, which is why i don't care for it

[urban bison]

I'll try Preem at your behest lol

[maiden oasis]

I didn't think, which Nova LUT 3 did you use?

I forgot there are like 50 of them lmao

that's an important piece of info I left out 😅

[urban bison]

Main file from this https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/11622?tab=files

[maiden oasis]

ok cool, I just checked again and he did say main file

[urban bison]

alright this is with preem lut

settings

[maiden oasis]

there we go

[urban bison]

well hold on now

reno's screen capture for some reason is cleaner than what's on my monitor

because in my game there is noticeable banding with the light

there

[maiden oasis]

you can see it on your monitor but not in the screenshot

[urban bison]

ye

that last pic I just screenshot from the screenshot lol

[maiden oasis]

sorry, had to make a funny

well obviously ignore my stupid settings

what kind of monitor you have?

[urban bison]

Samsung G60SD

properly calibrated, already checked twice

[maiden oasis]

I was just curious if it was OLED or a cheaper monitor

[urban bison]

yeah oled

[maiden oasis]

I'm honestly not sure tbh

[urban bison]

[maiden oasis]

I've seen banding in screenshots, and I can fix that

but when you can only see it on the monitor and not in the screenshot in-game...that I'm not so sure of

but I'm also not the smartest person in here soooo 😛

for now though I'm going to rethink even having those settings included

[urban bison]

just to test it out I removed Nova City 2 and sure enough the interior was less dark but there was still some banding and crushing going on, albeit much less than before

[maiden oasis]

are you using any other ReShade shaders? Or just RenoDX?

[urban bison]

Just reno

using ultra+ as well but that shouldnt affect this I think

[maiden oasis]

[urban bison]

eh wont fret too much more about it for now, preem lut overall seems kinda nifty though so i might stick with it

[maiden oasis]

nice 😄

I ended up removing all the Recommended mod bloat from the guide. No real need for it to be there.

[gilded stirrup]

What is this on the top right? I only got it after using the latest add-on that is on this discord, I tried doing a clean install of Reshade but it's still there. No matter which save I load this appears

[maiden oasis]

that's the debug graph

in the RenoDX UI go down to the very bottom

[gilded stirrup]

Thank you

[maiden oasis]

sure thing 🙂

[tame canopy]

What's the game brightness? Feels very bright

[urban bison]

in the hdr settings? should be 520

[maiden oasis]

peak brightness or game brightness?

[urban bison]

peak brightness 520 and paper white at 200

[urban bison]

oh wait

[urban bison]

This is what you meant right? Lol

[tepid galleon]

Thanks for this explanation (and the following lines).

[tepid galleon]

I think the final option, bottom right: HDR10 PQ Saturation was suggested to be 0. And instead if you want, you can change settings in RenoDX.

[urban bison]

oh yeah you're right. But still that doesn't address the weird crushed blacks and whatnot that I've been getting

personally I havent had any noticeable issues with saturation tho

[urban bison]

I noticed there was also banding in the sky

[maiden oasis]

try turning down the game brightness in RenoDX to around 150

with your peak brightness being 520 I think that would a better setup for you

[urban bison]

I did already, it's 140 ish right now

I think 123 is "objectively" the best paper white for 520 nits or so from a shitty calculation I did months ago but I raised it a bit so that the game doesnt appear too dim

200+ is better for 1000 nits i believe

[maiden oasis]

I have it at 200-203 for my display but once you get below 600 the 200 number might be a bit too high

[urban bison]

ye

Idk what else at this point I could do to try and fix this though

[maiden oasis]

so even at 140 it's still banding?

[urban bison]

ye

settings for reference

(the weird square grid crap is from ray recon so dw about it)

[mint ridge]

Just don't use preset E, I mean this is way too bad and distracting to bear with considering preset D is not exhibiting any of that

[sacred sentinel]

https://github.com/KoKlusz/HDR-Gaming-Database/discussions/104
Thanks to ShortFuse for his input

[urban bison]

D did the same for me but worse

[weary current]

hoping this shows hdr

[urban bison]

You know what, you just saved my game.

I decided to double check and enable the DLSS UI regedit and lo and behold when I thought I'd switched to Preset D, it was still using Preset E for me

so I go into NVPI and apparently at some point I forced preset E on my Cyberpunk when I tried to have D in Global - basically it was overriding preset D. I correctly set it to preset D this time and sync it to my global profile, and not only was the grid pattern gone

But my banding and crushed blacks were gone as well

[mint ridge]

[urban bison]

proof

[mint ridge]

Niiice !

[urban bison]

uh apparently it's not showing up properly on discord lol

but yeah

hdr screenshot encoding sucks!

[mint ridge]

Oh I believed you, been banging that "no preset E !" drum for about a year now with regards to Cyberpunk

[mint ridge]

It shows pretty obvious imo

[urban bison]

oh yeah the grid comparison shows fine but the first screenshot shows banding for me when in-game it was perfect

[mint ridge]

People recommending E in that game either haven't looked up or don't care about it

I just can't stomach it tbh

[urban bison]

I think actually people in the Ultra+ discord were shilling E which is why I was put onto it

lo and behold apparently E fucks with HDR

[mint ridge]

Yeah didn't want to name names

But it's defo the U+ crowd 😅

[urban bison]

anyway here is an arguably cleaner comparison for discord uploading

since again, HDR screenshots dont show up properly here

you can definitely see that preset D has no banding now on top of the fact that there's no grid

[mint ridge]

It's really weird tho, in other games using D by default like AW2 or Hogwarts, E just does fine

But in Cyberpunk for whatever reason it's fucked up

Only vanilla E I know of is Doom TDA

[urban bison]

I could sit here and guess as to why but that wouldn't really be a productive use of my time

[urban bison]

@maiden oasis case closed

[maiden oasis]

Gotcha. Not surprised to be honest. I'll keep that in mind

Glad you figured that out

[formal orbit]

damn thats ugly af

[undone compass]

puddles look like absolute shit in preset d though i find dark areas to have more boiling in them as well

[maiden oasis]

nicely done man 🙂

I'll link that in my guide as well

[normal knot]

I dont see the renodx wip for cyberpunk

nm lol pinned comments werent working

[mint ridge]

[urban bison]

I finally realized after trying out a handful of luts that I prefer the vanilla lut with reno after all

[maiden oasis]

It happens lol

[urban bison]

Just kinda wish the sun was a bit brighter

that's all

feels like I'm wearing sunglasses during daytime sometimes, especially if you look directly at it

dont wanna raise exposure to remedy it either

but aside from that I love the sort of sunkissed look the game has

something about it is kind of nostalgic in a sense

[maiden oasis]

You can probably fix this with Reshade

#1462028030305370317 message

Link to a quick preset I made in the Ultra+ server

[urban bison]

appreciate it but I really dont feel like tinkering with more shaders

every time I do that I always end up dissatisfied and spend more time tinkering than playing lol

[mint ridge]

Musa'd

[gilded stirrup]

This is the reason why I only use RenoDX and nothing else lol

[urban bison]

same

[chrome zephyr]

That's part of the fun, though. 😉

[urban bison]

man I keep flipflopping between this and the Ultra+ channel and get whiplash every single time I see the same ppl but with different roles lmfao

[maiden oasis]

just pay attention to the colors

I can't deal with Cyanide in white though, that's just wrong

[urban bison]

[chrome zephyr]

I like being a nobody sometimes. 😄

[urban bison]

mysterious stranger

[formal orbit]

Any chads here know like decent luts that look good with Reno? All the ones I’ve tried don’t really work all that well

[novel hinge]

Try Preem LUT 3 with Reno

I didn't manage to make any of the Nova LUTs look good with Reno

[formal orbit]

preem was like way too bright iirc

[novel hinge]

would be so great if you Reno guys would make an HDR artistic LUT your own

[mint ridge]

@tame canopy , could you update the wip build (maybe the other one too) so it doesn't change LoadFromDllMain to 1 when using dlssfix ?

Just gave dlssfix a try in Cyberpunk and it's such a great performance boost with FG 🙂 but need to redo LoadFromDllMain=_renodx-dlssfix.addon64 before each launch for it work

[tame canopy]

i think you mean dlssfix itself writing it

dlssfix is what writes 1

[mint ridge]

Oh, I assumed it was the game's addon, my bad then

The only thing that is weird with DLSSFIX tho is that when toggling RTSS' overlay, game freezes

Doesn't happen in GTA5E but it does here

[formal orbit]

FG is COOKED for me

anything bright breaks up like crazy

maybe wasnt the best idea to record in 30fps for this but can still see it

[ashen pendant]

Using Ultra+?

[formal orbit]

yeah

[ashen pendant]

Reminds me a lot to this kind of artifacts.

#1340919291486277693 message

Ritsu solved it here. #1339753194225405984 message

Check with DLSS overlay and see if UI Alpha was altered by U+.

[gilded stirrup]

RenoDX looks best on its own in my personal opinion

[gilded stirrup]

''.Streamline.TagUIColorAlpha 1. '' what does this imply?

[formal orbit]

dunno my dlss overlay is on

dont know what im looking for or where id be able to change it

[gilded stirrup]

lol same

[ashen pendant]

I see. Not FG overlay though. I think that's where it shows if that parameter is on or off. Not sue how to change it outside of Unreal Engine.

Maybe it's not even the same kind of artifacts, but looks very close to it.

If so it'd be easy to fix.

[formal orbit]

no clue

guess no cyberpunk for me

[maiden oasis]

so just found out that the game supports HDR10+

Does this actually make a difference? Assuming it doesn't matter when using Reno

my display doesn't support it anyways but just want to know in case someone else asks

[novel hinge]

I find it hard to believe that the game can take any advantage of HDR+ as this would be a quite big effort to optimize HDR scene by scene. Especially for an open Wolrd game that big. It is possible they chose some parameters to trigger dinamic metadatas in some specific situations but nothing major

It would be interesting checking from the backhand

[olive cloak]

pumbo said it wasn't useful for games

[maiden oasis]

that's what I figured

[gilded stirrup]

I did some research before buying my monitor and Dolby Vision was supposed to be the best which is why I bought the PG32UCDM but it turns out that games don't utilize Dolby Vision HDR either lmao

[olive cloak]

yeah lol

[tame canopy]

HDR10+ is metadata sent to the display so it can tonemap. Makes no sense on dynamically generated content. Only makes sense for precomputed fixed video like movies and tv

[maiden oasis]

roger

[tame canopy]

It's dynamic tonemap+

[maiden oasis]

[ashen pendant]

Try setting the Tone Mapper to Vanilla and see if it still happens.

[formal orbit]

it does

[limber herald]

Hey everyone. Is it expected that gamma 2.2 emulation doesn’t work when a tone mapper other than Reno is selected? When switching the selector, the image doesn’t change.

[ashen pendant]

I'm not seeing anything like that. I'd try without mods or U+.

[steady lichen]

i like emotional vision 2077 with the strength turned down to like 85% area

every other lut ive tried looks like shit

with renodx

[formal orbit]

its whatever ill just play something else

[formal orbit]

yeah sadly most dont work at all

[steady lichen]

rdr2 time