Silent Hill 2 Remake

[magic frigate]

Updated Ersh's mod to be a full RenoDX mod with all the usual sliders
Nexus:
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/145

@gloomy jacinth getting crashing when loading up silent hill 2 with only devkit

[gloomy jacinth]

debug build?

[magic frigate]

release

[gloomy jacinth]

can't debug release, do debug and attach debugger, it'll say where

i'm assuming recently?

like old builds work?

[magic frigate]

i would assume they worked since i'm pretty sure there was a lutbuilder added to the generic mod

[magic frigate]

well I'm running with debug attached and its working fine now

ok got it to crash when i pressed start to continue after shader comp

Resizing viewport due to setres change, 3840 x 2160
Unloaded 'C:\Windows\System32\D3DCompiler_47.dll'.
Bink: Mismatched number of tracks opened.
SHProto-Win64-Shipping.exe (25560): Loaded 'C:\Windows\System32\D3DCompiler_47.dll'. 
Assertion failed!

Program: ...ill 2\SHProto\Binaries\Win64\renodx-devkit.addon64
File: C:\Dev\renodx\src\addons\devkit\../../mo.../resource.hpp
Line: 558

Expression: resource_info != nullptr

For information on how your program can cause an assertion
failure, see the Visual C++ documentation on asserts

resource.hpp line 558

        assert(resource_info != nullptr);

[gloomy jacinth]

it'll crash if you hit retry

but viewport resize

something about how it resizes buffer

[magic frigate]

i'll try windowed

oh right no hdr in windowed

and still crashes with windowed

[gloomy jacinth]

it's in PopulateUnknownResourceViewDesc

[magic frigate]

ai slop added this function:

inline ResourceInfo* TryGetResourceInfo(const reshade::api::resource& resource) {
  if (resource.handle == 0u) return nullptr;
  ResourceInfo* info = nullptr;
  store->resource_infos.if_contains(resource.handle, [&info](std::pair<const uint64_t, ResourceInfo>& pair) {
    info = &pair.second;
  });
  return info;
}

removed line 558

[gloomy jacinth]

an assert is not a crash

[magic frigate]

and adjusted this function:

inline void OnInitResourceView(
    reshade::api::device* device,
    reshade::api::resource resource,
    reshade::api::resource_usage usage_type,
    const reshade::api::resource_view_desc& desc,
    reshade::api::resource_view view) {
  if (!is_primary_hook) return;
  if (view.handle == 0u) return;

  ResourceViewInfo new_data = {
      .device = device,
      .desc = desc,
      .view = view,
      .original_resource = resource,
      .usage = usage_type,
  };

  if (resource.handle != 0u) {
    new_data.resource_info = TryGetResourceInfo(resource);
    if (new_data.resource_info == nullptr && device != nullptr) {
      ResourceInfo fallback_info = {
          .device = device,
          .desc = device->get_resource_desc(resource),
          .resource = resource,
          .destroyed = false,
          .initial_state = reshade::api::resource_usage::undefined,
      };
      auto [pair, inserted] = store->resource_infos.try_emplace_p(resource.handle, fallback_info);
      new_data.resource_info = &pair->second;
      if (inserted) {
        for (auto& callback : store->on_init_resource_info_callbacks) {
          callback(new_data.resource_info);
        }
      }
    }
    if (new_data.resource_info != nullptr) {
      new_data.destroyed = new_data.resource_info->destroyed;
      new_data.clone_target = new_data.resource_info->clone_target;
    }
  }

  if (desc.type == reshade::api::resource_view_type::unknown
      || (desc.type != reshade::api::resource_view_type::buffer && desc.format == reshade::api::format::unknown)) {
    new_data.desc = PopulateUnknownResourceViewDesc(device, desc, new_data.resource_info);
  }

  auto [pair, inserted] = store->resource_view_infos.try_emplace_p(view.handle, new_data);
  if (!inserted) {
    assert(pair->second.view.handle == view.handle);
    if (!pair->second.destroyed) {
#ifdef DEBUG_LEVEL_2
      std::stringstream s;
      s << "utils::resource::OnInitResourceView(Resource view reused: ";
      s << PRINT_PTR(view.handle);
      s << ")";
      reshade::log::message(reshade::log::level::debug, s.str().c_str());
#endif
      for (const auto& callback : store->on_destroy_resource_view_info_callbacks) {
        callback(&pair->second);
      }
    }
    pair->second = new_data;
  }
  for (const auto& callback : store->on_init_resource_view_info_callbacks) {
    callback(&pair->second);
  }
}

[gloomy jacinth]

just stops the application from continuing so you manually step

if (current_desc.format == reshade::api::format::unknown) {
    current_desc = utils::resource::PopulateUnknownResourceViewDesc(device, desc, resource_info);
    if (current_desc.format == reshade::api::format::unknown) {
      std::stringstream s;
      s << "mods::swapchain::OnCreateResourceView(Unknown format for resource view: ";
      s << PRINT_PTR(resource.handle);
      s << ", type: " << current_desc.type;
      s << ")";
      reshade::log::message(reshade::log::level::warning, s.str().c_str());
      assert(current_desc.format != reshade::api::format::unknown);
      return false;
    }
  }

you should be seeing this

because it's unclear what is calling PopulateUnknownResourceViewDesc

[magic frigate]

getting this with retry

[gloomy jacinth]

yeah, just keep going until it crashes

or actually

check the stacktrace to see why it's calling there

how it got there

[magic frigate]

retry crashed it

actually no just a black screen

the second one is this

step into?

[gloomy jacinth]

ah

acceleration structure

raytracing, i'm guessing

i must have missed a commit or stashed it somewhere

we don't care about buffer or raytracing views

[gloomy jacinth]

if (desc.type == reshade::api::resource_view_type::unknown
    || (desc.format == reshade::api::format::unknown
        && desc.type != reshade::api::resource_view_type::buffer
        && desc.type != reshade::api::resource_view_type::acceleration_structure)) {
  new_data.desc = PopulateUnknownResourceViewDesc(device, desc, new_data.resource_info);
}

[magic frigate]

would that potentially fix the games that had crashing issues with cbuffers

many of them were RT

[gloomy jacinth]

probably not

that's some descriptor table validation stuff

that shouldn't fix the crash, just silence the debugger

[magic frigate]

alright well now it's just crashing immediately on launchj

[gloomy jacinth]

add assert(IsDebuggerPresent()); somewhere in the Dllmain in addon.cpp of the devkit so you can catch the crash

[magic frigate]

alright

      if (!reshade::register_addon(h_module)) return FALSE;

      assert(IsDebuggerPresent());

hmm just crashed

didn't hit the assertion

[gloomy jacinth]

just hit the assert now in oblivion with one of the shaders i guess

runs...... every frame

[magic frigate]

@gloomy jacinth

oh wait

let me switch to new decomp

0x405B3AFD.cs_6_6 decomps now but it has issues with -inf

and these

static const i32 _global_0[4] = { , , ,  };
static const i32 _global_1[4] = { , , ,  };

but I also don't need this shader anyway

don't need any of them actually

[magic frigate]

@silent valve if I want to adjust fixcolorfade to target darker shadows more, what value should I adjust

since now it has both ACES and SDR EOTF Emulation after it

it needs to be more targeted towards darker shadows

lower FogCorrectionAverageBrightness?

[silent valve]

Are you doing a new version of ersh fix with UE improved tonemapper and my oklab shadow raise fix?

[magic frigate]

ya

[silent valve]

Try with ucs or something better than oklab if it's already in reno.

[magic frigate]

unfortunately devkit crashes

have to add sliders to test stuff

[silent valve]

What does that mean

Target dark shadow more than bright shadow?

[magic frigate]

ya

[silent valve]

The game doesn't need sRGB/2.2 mismatch emulation.

It was so raised that the minimum brightness was beyond the usual sRGB 2.2 raise.

[magic frigate]

2.2 correction still makes a noticeable difference

[silent valve]

Of course, especially after you remove the lift.

But it's likely gonna crush blacks too.

And to balance it out, you'll need to put different parameters

Just sounds like an unnecessary path.

Given it's technically "wrong" to begin with.

[silent valve]

Copy and paste code. I'm on phone

[magic frigate]

FogCorrectionAverageBrightness was 1.0

// Linear BT.709 in and out. Restore the fog hue and chrominance, to indeed have a look closer to vanilla
float3 FixColorFade(float3 Scene, float3 Fade) {
  const float FogCorrectionAverageBrightness = SHADOW_COLOR_FOG_BRIGHTNESS;
  const float FogCorrectionMinBrightness = 0.0;
  const float FogCorrectionHue = 0.8;  // 1 might break and turn brown due to divisions by 0 or something, anyway fog is usually grey in Cronos, even if there's a slight different white point between the working and output color spaces (D60 vs D65)
  const float FogCorrectionChrominance = 1.0;
  const float FogCorrectionIntensity = 1.0;

  float3 sceneWithFog = Scene + Fade;
  float3 prevSceneWithFog = sceneWithFog;

  float fadeMax = max(abs(Fade.x), max(abs(Fade.y), abs(Fade.z)));  // This might have values below zero but it should be ok
  float3 normalizedFade = fadeMax != 0.0 ? (Fade / fadeMax) : Fade;
  float3 fadeOklab = renodx::color::oklab::from::BT709(normalizedFade);

  float3 sceneOklab = renodx::color::oklab::from::BT709(Scene);

  const float fogBrightness = saturate((FogCorrectionAverageBrightness * sceneOklab.x) + FogCorrectionMinBrightness);  // Restore an optional min amount of fog on black and a good amount of fog on non black backgrounds
  const float fogHue = FogCorrectionHue * saturate(length(fadeOklab.yz) / sqrt(2.0));                                  // Restoring the fog hue might look good if the fog was colorful, but if it was just grey, then it'd randomly shift the background hue to an ugly value, so we scale the fog hue restoration by the chrominance of the fade (it seems like it's usually white/grey in Cronos)
  const float fogChrominance = FogCorrectionChrominance;                                                               // Restore the fog chrominance to a 100%, which means we'd either desaturate or saturate the background
  sceneWithFog = RestoreHueAndChrominance(Scene, sceneWithFog, fogHue, fogChrominance, 0.f, renodx::math::FLT32_MAX, fogBrightness);

  return lerp(prevSceneWithFog, sceneWithFog, FogCorrectionIntensity);
}

seems I need to increase it

maybe the shadow color offset thing ersh has can be replaced

setting it to ~6-7.5 seems to work well

[magic frigate]

bff off / on

[silent valve]

I don't know. It's already perceptual, but you can turn it in a pow if you want to affect near black more.

I think the code is fine.

[silent valve]

Also double check the math. It's clearly explained.

I wrote it blindly. Never tested myself.

Checked many times though,

[magic frigate]

ya i have it at 6 now

looks good

[silent valve]

Ok. It'd quite high, it will correct it a lot more.

[magic frigate]

its opposite

higher brings down darker shadows

while leaving lighter shadows intact

[silent valve]

K

[silent valve]

does the game use offsets that aren't grey scale?

one notable thing is that i think the offsets set in the post process volumes in UE are directly set as AP1

and that would be D60

so 0.1 0.1 0.1 wouldn't be grey scale anymore in D65

hence removing the offset will change the yellowness of the scene.

[magic frigate]

I think they're all grayscale

[magic frigate]

SDR / RenoDX Defaults / Recommended Settings

[gloomy jacinth]

You should look into getting the tonemap debug graph to work

[magic frigate]

The issue is in the grading they have a black floor offset parameter that changes per scene

I changed defaults for the black floor scaling and it’s looking good now

My recommended has gamma correction off

But the defaults are with gamma correction on

[gloomy jacinth]

Starfield had like 80 or so, which helped get some math working. But graph helped me see how much I'd be screwing up. I'd fly to locations until I found a good math setup that looked consistent on the graph

And yeah, gamma correction and lowered scaling is 2x correction. I ran out of cbuffer space in cp2077 or else I would split lut scaling to black and white

[silent valve]

why would the defaults be different than the reccomended settings 😛 ?

recipe for disaster

it's not like gamma correction is technically correct and should objectively be default

[magic frigate]

Ersh doesn’t wanna have gamma correction off for sdr

Have to support SDR and HDR

He wants accurate defaults I guess

[gloomy jacinth]

@magic frigate maybe do one scaling with gamma correction on and one without.

If 2.2, do sRGB-to-2.2 => scale => 2.2-to-sRGB

Also, in Silksong I have 2.2 off as default if on Windows SDR

[magic frigate]

It’s all before tonemapping

And before RRT

The adjusted scaling looks much better than the last pic i uploaded

Most of the sliders are gonna be gone for sdr anyway

203 game brightness
SDR / New Defaults / Recommended

[silent valve]

r u gonna re-upload it on ersh nexus?

would be nicer to not make a new page

[magic frigate]

ya

there are multiple lutbuilders

but apparently the game only uses 1

i'll do those later

for now I'll just upload what I have here

• full rewrite

[mortal swan]

time to reinstall the game

[mortal swan]

what an improvement, Musa. awesome work. i played the whole game in sdr a year ago, didn't like the look of hdr at all.

[dusky obsidian]

looks nice

[magic frigate]

this is likely what will go on nexus

• added rest of the lutbuilders

@vagrant wagon mod is done

https://github.com/mqhaji/renodx/tree/silenthill2remakeredux/src/games/silenthill2remake

[hallow garnet]

Thanks for the New mod. Looks great.

But crazy that still on a 5090 the game laggs 😄

[magic frigate]

It was unbearable on launch

I was using an i5-12400 and 4070

[dapper plinth]

great news! thanks.
now if only there was a way to fix VRR flicker in this game 🙁

[magic frigate]

Now that I have a core 7 265k and 5080 it’s fine enough

I only played a little bit and locked it to 60

Not using any ini edits except for enabling ray reconstruction

Not great but I’m not getting noticeable flickering

[dapper plinth]

i still get the slightest frametime dips here and now even with the gpu underutilized -- if that happens in a dark environment it does flicker for me
...but i learned that this is also heavily display-dependent. on my old LG C9 the flicker is okay-ish on my new S95F Qd-Oled the flicker is really aggravating.... kind of ironic 🙁

Chronos New Dawn is even worse (something about blooper team and shitty UE optimization i guess)

[mortal swan]

my current cpu lol

game does run much better than when i played at launch.
funny thing, i reinstalled it yesterday (oct 14) and the date i last played it was oct 14 a year ago lol

[slender shell]

rr in this game has insane ghosting on reflections

[dapper plinth]

frame generation too. looks horrible

[dusky obsidian]

in a kino where everything is dark if u enter trough the door for a second everything becomes brighter then goes back to dark. tried to catch it on video but I'd didn't, so cannot show u exactly what I mean

same happens during cutscene where u talk with Eddie

looks like not all lutbuilder uve got , or this is how it should be

[magic frigate]

What area

Send a save file

[dusky obsidian]

well there autosave is a bit far from that area, and u will need to progress a bit

u still want it?

there is no manual save there

u will have to progress a bit

like in trhis video if i enter trrought the door after talking to eddie for a second it will light up then returns to dark

on video is not notiecable

[magic frigate]

can you test by setting saturation to 100 and shadows to 100

if it suddenly changes and looks normal then we know for sure its a missing lutbuilder

[dusky obsidian]

this time its clearly vidsible in the video

its like having eye adaptation but in dark room'

[main mantle]

is it recommended to disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the add-ons section? also should we be pointing reshade to shphoto.exe or shphoto-win64-shipping.exe?

[magic frigate]

yes those addons are entirely unused by reno so disable them
always win64-shipping.exe

[main mantle]

Silly question, but can they be disabled by default with releases?

[magic frigate]

They come with reshade. You’d have to make a custom build of reshade that disables them by default

[floral condor]

@magic frigate will the mod be ready for Halloween? 🙂 I'm gonna do Silnt Hill week, playing F and Remake together

[dapper plinth]

for me game crashes on startup as soon as reshade is installed? any ideas?

[mortal swan]

the mod is ready

[floral condor]

You mean the updated one?

[mortal swan]

yes, scroll up a bit and you'll see Musa uploaded the file

[floral condor]

Lol, thanks sometimes I hate this app I don't know why I lose things, sorry

[mortal swan]

no problem 🙂

[floral condor]

@magic frigate recommended setting looks so damn good!

[floral condor]

@magic frigate exposure around 1.10/1.12 in suffuse lighting scene looks a bit more natural to me. Am I messing with the midtones too much?

[magic frigate]

idk

at this point the mod is already changing the image pretty drastically

their art direction clearly has issues

so just do what you like

[silent valve]

The art director has issues

[dusky obsidian]

@magic frigate have u seen that error that I showed?

[magic frigate]

i'll check it out tonight

[floral condor]

If I might, what have you changed? Because clearly to my eyes the game Vanilla is cooked: Contrast very hight and details in dark scenes completely blown out. Colors also they look off and too bright

Just to understand the process a bit

[magic frigate]

The black floor scaling stuff

[glacial sundial]

appreciate the work

[glacial sundial]

@magic frigate sorry to bother but the latest build is causing my game to crash on boot

it seems that SH2 starts in SDR on boot, and does not swap to HDR until it reaches the main menu

im using 6.6.1 reshade, it works if i dont have any renodx addon loaded

[floral condor]

It's working fine for me, have you unistalled everything you had before (Reshade and previous mod version)?

[glacial sundial]

yes the only thing not standard i have is rose's fps unlocker

what version of reshade are you using

[floral condor]

Latest

Try to check if any conflict on some old Reshade Ini file with the new mod

Have you cleaned manually the folder?

[glacial sundial]

what do you mean? like purge the old reshade ini?

[floral condor]

Had some crash issues in the past, cause I was just deleting Reshade within the App and what worked for me was a manual removal of the old Reshade files

I don't know if this could help you but it was a solution for me

[glacial sundial]

I think I found a workaround

I used display commander addon to force hdr10 swapchain and color space at all times

reshades window gets silly bright but the game didnt crash

oh nice the reshade window also fixed after doing an alt tab once

[floral condor]

That's great

[glacial sundial]

maybe in my instance it was more unstable because of framegen?

[floral condor]

I don't use frame Gen cause it goes above my display refresh rate and I start stuttering so I have no idea

[glacial sundial]

i force vsync on to avoid that

[floral condor]

How can you force Vsync on Frame Gen?

[glacial sundial]

Nvidia control panel

[floral condor]

And it works properly?

[glacial sundial]

Yep

[slender shell]

this is the official way to play with fg

[floral condor]

I will try and check if it works properly

[floral condor]

@magic frigate honestly your Mod for SH2 is a work of art, it kind of rewrites the whole mood and atmosphere of the game and takes out some details that were completely lost. I'm seriously impressed, really thank you

[oak solstice]

Dumb question, what are the recommended settings? Just the defaults?

[magic frigate]

the recommended settings button

[oak solstice]

.... clearly I am not looking close enough lol. I'll go check that...

[magic frigate]

nexus hasn't been updated yet, check pins for the latest file

[oak solstice]

Found that one at least. And thanks for all the work you (and the other contributors) do

[summer summit]

just curious whats the technicalities/reasoning behind gamma correction being off in recommended settings?

[slender shell]

their sdr is problematic

[magic frigate]

ok this is what's gonna go on nexus most likely

[formal igloo]

have in-game hdr slider recommendations changed?

[magic frigate]

those are overriden now

unless you select vanilla tonemapper

[sharp otter]

Hk

Is it working with the PC version of the Xbox Store? Because the changes are locked in the games on the store. Thanks

Does anyone know how to run scenes at 60 fps? Because that FPS unlocker doesn't work for me.

[plush ruin]

what are the recommended in game settings for the november build on wiki?

is min luminance still -4 and does anything else need to be changed?

[plush ruin]

oops just saw there is one build here as well. which one is the latest? and why don't wiki builds show dates anymore? I think they used to. Right?

[magic frigate]

about to upload a new build that's gonna go on nexus

[magic frigate]

pinned is the newest currently

[plush ruin]

anything needs to be changed in game setting wise? it looks like you mentioned they are ovverriden now so they don't matter anymore. correct? I installed the one on wiki. looks good though. night and day difference over vanilla. that shit looks ugly

[magic frigate]

ya it overrides in-game settings menu now unless you select vanilla tonemapper

[magic frigate]

should finally be done

[oak scaffold]

minecraft

[glacial sundial]

Just in time for the revamped silent hill 2 ultra+ mod

[plush ruin]

What’s changed in this version vs the previous version that was on the wiki?

[magic frigate]

Nexus has original version of the mod which just lowered the black floor, then 2 weeks ago I merged a change to GitHub which overhauls it to make it a full renodx mod and now the last update here which hasn’t been merged yet changes the tonemapping to a new method that looks better

[plush ruin]

That sounds great. Does it have grading options as well now?

[magic frigate]

Ya

[plush ruin]

I was getting severe black crush with reno in some scenes

[magic frigate]

they changed the hdr settings in an update

the original ones the game launched with

looked fine with the mod

like min nits set to -4

[slender shell]

its how that game is graded

sdr is even more crushed

the shots here arent that crushed though imo

[slender shell]

so they add a shadow color offset to "fix" that

which raises the black floor ofc

use the recommended settings

reset all gives you a fairly crushed image imo

[plush ruin]

Yes, it looks like it’s a combination of poor indirect lighting and autoexposure causing on top of that. I have it set to -4 in the game unless there is some other setting I missed.

[plush ruin]

Reno Recommended preset | Native HDR + U+ & My minor Black floor fix

Imo Reno looks a lot flatter. Not many specular highlights and both shadows and highlights feel toned down. It basically looks more like SDR than HDR so I’m not really impressed right now.

Native HDR on the other hand looks great on my current setup with nice specular pops and good contrast so I'll stick with that.

[slender shell]

hdr doesnt mean everything being brighter than sdr

native is 300nits paper white

renodx recommended is 203nits

so bad comparison there

[slender shell]

like it shouldnt be this bright here

well maybe more than 300

ya vanilla hdr uses hdr mid luminance 50

which is set to 46 in sdr iirc

recommended with game brightness 300 / native hdr with mid luminance 46 and min luminance -4

actually looks pretty similar except renodx has better skintones and lowered black levels

[magic frigate]

I had some settings for the vanilla tonemapper that looked somewhat close to sdr

It was like 5 midtone luminance or something

[slender shell]

just forget about sdr for this game imo

looks crushed to hell in 2.2

(with raised blacks

[plush ruin]

My point isn’t “HDR = brighter”; it’s that native HDR still has stronger specular highlights and better contrast than the Reno preset on my setup. Paper-white numbers alone don’t explain that. The game doesn’t even have an in-game paper white slider so I can’t confirm the 300 nit value you’re quoting or change it directly.
You could say my native shot was a tad overexposed but I already dropped HDR Brightness from 1.2 to 1.0 and that still doesn’t change anything I was talking about.
If you look at the dark interior screenshots I posted, you can see it pretty clearly. In the native HDR shot the small white picture frame and the vinyl labels have more sparkle instead of just being dull grey patches. In the Reno shot those same areas look flatter. The white frame and labels are dimmer and the mid-tones feel more compressed so the room ends up looking murkier instead of “dark but readable.”
The color grading also feels off in the Reno shot. Browns of the wood and the wall have warmer and more natural tones whereas colors are more desaturated and cooler. wood and wall tones drift toward the same muddy brown/grey in the Reno shot. So it’s not just about overall brightness. The whole image looks flatter and less natural.
And not every game has to be locked to 200 nits paper white anyway that’s one calibration target not some universal rule. My display can comfortably handle higher paper-white / peak brightness levels anyways.
If there’s a Reno preset that keeps the specular pop, contrast and grading closer to native, I’m happy to try it but right now native just looks way better on my setup.

Also there is no game brightness in native settings. It’s ui brightness

[slender shell]

there are no highlights here

your right image is 226nits maximum

you are only getting higher midtones

see the comparison i posted, when you increase the paper white to 300 on renodx recommended

they look quite the same

in terms of brightness

specular highlights is a wrong term btw

stop using it

what i mean is that the images you posted above are not even exceeding the sdr range

you are just getting a brighter sdr image in native hdr

its not about specular or pop

its just brighter midtones

if you do like that

increasing the paper white to 350nits with the recommended preset

should look fairly similar

this image is just sdr range no highlights at all

[plush ruin]

Who told you specular highlights is an incorrect term?

[slender shell]

specular is just a term to describe the property of reflections

the opposite is diffuse

highlights dont have to be one of them

like the sun is neither of them

[plush ruin]

What do you mean by 226 nits max? Are you saying this specific frame only peaks at 226 nits then sure, that shot isn’t some 1000 nit sun glint scene and we’re mostly in SDRish territory there. But that doesn’t really change my point because I’m talking about local contrast and tonemapping not just “how many nits is the single brightest pixel"

[slender shell]

post the images then

where renodx has no highlights

compared to native

and ill prove its not

[plush ruin]

Whatever you wanna call them specular reflections or whatever else. Doesn't cahnge my point. Specular highlights is the widely used term though

[slender shell]

it is

but its not here

[plush ruin]

google ai would beg to differ 🤣

[slender shell]

its an incorrect term in your screenshots

[plush ruin]

what?

[slender shell]

your screenshots dont have specular highlights

[plush ruin]

I think you're getting caught up in semantics here

[slender shell]

can you show the comparison pls

where renodx has no highlights

[plush ruin]

OMG dude read my response, I specifically pointed out the specular highlights in that dark interior scene. Look at the comparison and see for yourself

[slender shell]

where

[plush ruin]

"If you look at the dark interior screenshots I posted, you can see it pretty clearly. In the native HDR shot the small white picture frame and the vinyl labels have more sparkle instead of just being dull grey patches. In the Reno shot those same areas look flatter. The white frame and labels are dimmer and the mid-tones feel more compressed so the room ends up looking murkier instead of “dark but readable.”"

[slender shell]

what dark interior screenshots

[slender shell]

this ?

[plush ruin]

you can scroll up a bit

[slender shell]

nothing is over 60nits here

🤷‍♂️

and yes vanilla looks more saturated and contrasty here

due to per channel tonemapping

which makes skintones bad

just check how red james' face is

[plush ruin]

I mean we can't have a proper conversation if you're not even reading my responses

or reading only half of them

[slender shell]

bru

you are trolling

where are your specular highlights

post it

or im leaving now

[plush ruin]

dude I mentioned it right there. just read the para or you want me to literally draw a circle. Come on, now it feels like you are certainly trolling me. its a dark scene, do you expect to see a 1000 nit value here?

[slender shell]

where

[plush ruin]

and its a png. you know that right?

[slender shell]

lol

its an hdr png

which i can read value

no highlights there sorry

[slender shell]

if you mean this

[plush ruin]

agree to disagree

[slender shell]

leave now

[plush ruin]

stop trolling this is not the place

[slender shell]

as if its not you thats trolling

and i was so dumb to waste my time arguing with you

with that double digits nits specular highlights

[magic frigate]

wood turns red with per channel

[slender shell]

he wont listen i guess because I’m happy to try it but right now native just looks way better on my setup

he likes 350nits paper white and per channel oversaturation

and ask you to add a preset to do that

[magic frigate]

I can probably match it so you get similar brightness and saturation levels but without hue shifting

[plush ruin]

My initial comparison was actually not meant for a random person here actually. I just provided my input that it looks very off to me. It looked a lot murkier, different grading with wood accents looking off and flat with loss of specular highlights. I never claimed Native is the best ever. I said, compared to this Reno, native is much better. Why would I even try Reno otherwise?

I never said i wanted same brightness levels

[exotic island]

which is the correct term? just curious

[slender shell]

in his screenshots, there are no highlights

just call it highlights if you mean how a highlight should be called

specular is a just a term to describe mirror like surfaces

[exotic island]

why did everyone start to call them specular highlights on the first place? haha

[slender shell]

gamingtech

[exotic island]

ohh

[slender shell]

he is the biggest hdr gaming tuber

[exotic island]

Do you know which are the "best" or "standard" HDR in-game settings to use with this mod?

[slender shell]

like the reflection of the sun on the water is specular highlights

[slender shell]

recommended preset

mod disables in game settings

if thats you ask

unless you choose UE ACES as the tonemapper option

that one is vanilla hdr

[exotic island]

oh, thanks, i thought they would affect black level etc.

[plush ruin]

Native | Reno 350 paperwhite. Don't know why I did this but here it is. Reno is just bright here but still flat so...

[plush ruin]

Specular highlights is just a bit more precise term for bright reflections on a surface (shiny).

highlights is just a general term

don't know what that guy was on about though.

[ivory dust]

I'm just a punter but Reno looks better to me in your comparisons, when you match paper white they have the same dynamic range but Reno just has more natural looking colours. Don't agree it's "flat".

[gloomy jacinth]

Me. Fight me

Specular literal means mirror. Highlights is generally a term used in film and photography. Kodak puts highlights are about ~89% reflectivity, which is already below 100% diffuse white. In 3D modeling that follow Phong reflection model, they break up lighting into three phases: ambient, diffuse and specular. But output is not just Phong model. It's also emissive lighting, bloom, and added color grading such as post processing.

Just saying "specular highlights" refers to just one part of the rendering pipeline which is incomplete when talking about tonemapping and the final present.

[slender shell]

Ive already told you the extra saturation in native comes from per channel tonemapping which renodx mods generally avoid

just check james' skintone for instance

[gloomy jacinth]

Per channel has red and blue smear.

Shadows turn to sludge

Also per channel blows out highlights to white

[magic frigate]

I'm still doing per channel in the ue mods

cause of the blue correct stuff

I leave it per channel and then hue correct afterwards optionally

in pumbo black floor fix

the setting called chrominance restoration or whatever

you can turn that up

for more shadow saturation

I left hue correct at 100 for midtones and shadows

the way I have it right now is

if you have hue correct set to midtones and shadows

it does full hue correction up to 0.18

then it rolls off strength to 0 from 0.18-1

[gloomy jacinth]

Is this with the contrast slope at f'''(x) ? Does it have weaker highlights than UE HDR? I don't think we checked that

Just SDR

[magic frigate]

I have the divergence point set to 0.18

[gloomy jacinth]

Then that should be extra. Yeah

[magic frigate]

it adds a lot of contrast so 100 input gives you over 100 output so I just lerp 0.2 strength back to sdr so it isn't as overly bright

[magic frigate]

since ue filmic is centered around 0.18

they do some shoulder/toe matching stuff to make 0.18 input always give 0.18 output

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah, that's probably right. But I didn't consider games with shipped HDR. Have the problem with Cyberpunk where I had to make an HDR Match button for the new version

Because some people don't know the game based on its SDR implementation. UE's grading bypass is I think jacked up ACES contrast

Though UE HDR is 250 nits.

I think Oblivion was basically the same because the game was mostly ungraded, just better control of highlights and hues

[slender shell]

this game does not bypass grading in hdr though

it doesnt use any luts

[magic frigate]

the game has some shaders with LUTs but as far as I know those are entirely unused

it does still have those parameters in the tonemapper

I think they're not using default parameters though

so grading is lost

[plush ruin]

If you've got something substantive to add, I'll read it. If its just "fight me" and pretending I didn't already explain things, I'm not interested in being gaslit.

[gloomy jacinth]

Choose your next words carefully. I have little tolerance for intentionally misinformation

I already explained things to you.

If you choose to gaslight me or others you will be timed out

[plush ruin]

You're overfocusing on etymology of "specular" here and ignoring how the term is actually used in CG and HDR grading. In practice, its just a shorthand for bright reflective surfaces in the scene. Pointing out that those are getting pulled by tonemapping is perfectly valid even if the rest of the pipeline also matters.

[gloomy jacinth]

Terms are misused all the time. Doesn't automatically make it right.

That's the definition of misinformation. And being dogmatic about it because it's "popular" just makes the spread worse. Then you acknowledge it's being *used wrong and then willfully spreading that *which you know is wrong.

(using "you" generally here)

People will likely get corrected a lot in this discord and that's a good thing. I get corrected all the time on stuff I don't know.

[plush ruin]

If you’re going to treat disagreement as “misinformation” and threaten timeouts instead of actually engaging, that’s not a discussion, it’s an echo chamber. I’m out. Enjoy the server!

[gloomy jacinth]

Yes, feel free to leave.

If you know something is wrong but share it anyway, that violates the Discord rules.

Specifically Rule 5

[fathom knoll]

Just read a bit over the discussion. So... default settings are the most accurate to SDR?

[fathom knoll]

Also, is this the go to mod for uncapping fps? https://github.com/RoseTheFlower/UltrawideIndex/releases/tag/silenthill2remake

[magic frigate]

updated on nexus:
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/145

this update is the same updated file I posted a few weeks ago

[brave elm]

Thank you @magic frigate 🙂

[storm juniper]

does this need game HDR to be on or off? Thanks

[magic frigate]

on

[storm juniper]

Any help? Tried the mod. Game goes up to unreal engine logo and then crashes. I followed the instructions on nexus. Framegeneration was active before installing reshade and the mod. Is that relevant? Installed reshade in the directory mentioned in nexus instructions and then copied the add on there as well.

This is the error i get:

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0xffffffffffffffff

SHProto_Win64_Shipping
SHProto_Win64_Shipping
SHProto_Win64_Shipping
SHProto_Win64_Shipping
SHProto_Win64_Shipping
SHProto_Win64_Shipping
SHProto_Win64_Shipping
SHProto_Win64_Shipping
kernel32
ntdll

[exotic island]

do you have any other mod or change?

I started the game a few days ago and I had a few changes in Engine.ini such as Ray Reconstruction, better reflections, etc, and the game crashed after a few minutes playing. I reverted it to default with Reno and now it's stable.

[storm juniper]

No no other mods. latest patch 1.07 and dlss 4 though the nvidia app nothing else

If I only install Reshade with nothing selected in the installation menus the game boots. After i copy the add on the game crashes at the ue logo again.

[magic frigate]

Some people had crashes with the older version of the mod as well so Ersh had created a lite version that applies the fix without any sliders. I can make a version that does that today

[storm juniper]

Oh ok i see. I also tried another version fron 09/25 i think without the sliders and still crashes with that one. If that is possible and not too much trouble?? How would i set 1000 nits lets say with no sliders though? Thanks a million

[dusky obsidian]

I think it must be common issue for crashing ue games with renodx

I had crashes with nobody wants to die and banishers. in sh2 only at logos. if game didn't crash during logo presentation everything worked fine for me

also in sh2 too but not anymore

[magic frigate]

It would be using the vanilla tonemapper. I have some settings for that tonemapper that match the custom one in Reno

[magic frigate]

uploaded lite version

[fathom knoll]

Anyone knows why on earth SH2 opens in my secondary monitor before switching to the main one and then I can´t properly control the resolution and menus look sub 720p?

Also controller doesnt work properly

Seems like its a frequent issue, bizarre. Not sure how to circumvent it tho

[fathom knoll]

Ok reinstalling somehow fixed it, weird

Framegen also seems borked. I get 75fps without it and I only go up to 100 with it?

Feels like it’s capping to 100 for some arbitrary reason I don’t understand

Oh I see this mod actually touches up FG, wonder if somethings wrong there

It also seems like turning off HAGS helps? Wtf dude https://steamcommunity.com/app/2124490/discussions/0/4700161359561333878/

[magic frigate]

Haven’t run into any issues on my single monitor setup

[fathom knoll]

Funny enough all my issues were cause I had 3 monitors. Win+P to leave only main one active fixed all my issues, included VRR flicker

[dusky obsidian]

I use dual monitor setup but I usually turn Off second one while playing. This way nothing distracts me

[young fern]

Hey, what's the difference between the Lite and full version?

[vital spoke]

note sure wheres best to post.. so im playing silent hill 2 with Rendox and the ultrawide patch. everything working correctly. i turn on framgen (nivida) and the frame rate doesnt change at all.

[spice mica]

FPS capped anywhere you've missed checking by chance? Not the most familiar with troubleshooting but I'm playing SH2 right now with nvidia frame gen on and it's working without issue for me, using the ultrawide patch and the cutscene fps unlock as well and I don't recall doing much fancy stuff to get it working.

I did manually update all the DLSS and streamline files rather than trusting override mode though AFAIK override modes work fine for SH2

[vital spoke]

Don't know what it was, removed it and reinstalled it. Seemed to fix it. Very odd. Maybe some GOG shenanigans

Override does work. But tempted to throw in the ray reconstruction dlss but I think 4.5 mitigates most issues so I read

[spice mica]

I've been doing RR so far and I think it looks better, though admittedly the thing that convinced me might seem super minor; the first gate you come across in the game, entering the cemetery, with 4.5 L or M it was ghosting somewhat badly, with RR it was almost entirely gone even at 50% scaling

[west bear]

tested and works great with dynamic FG. I am a renodx newbie, so not sure if I am doing everything right... but totally fixes the framegen gibberish

[magic frigate]

lite version doesn't have any sliders, it hardcodes the black floor stuff in their color grading and uses the vanilla tonemapper

[upper ermine]

Tried lite version but Mid luminance at only 5 makes everything incredibly dark. I was previously at 50.

probably no easy way to show but according to the mod these are the expected settings. it’s just so dark overall

[magic frigate]

turn up hdr brightness

I liked 4.6 but if you want brighter then go ahead

can't remember if the mid luminance slider allows you to set it to 4.8

but that's the actual correct value for ACES

the curve straight up breaks if you set it to anything else

if it's not set to 4.8, then the curve compresses midtones when you raise peak

[upper ermine]

Just wanted to say thank you, the HDR brightness was absolutely the key. I had to go a bit higher on my setup (5.2 I think) but it looks spectacular now.