Silent Hill F

[coarse gate]

with the lut dump option on

and that should dump a .cso file

[wise rover]

Here's the link to generic addon, btw: https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-unrealengine.addon64

[coarse gate]

that means the game didn't precompile all the lutbuilders that it uses on startup

which is super annoying

[wise rover]

That's rare, right?

[leaden cedar]

ok let me give it a go

[wise rover]

Usually the shaders we get in starter area are generally that's used throughout?

[coarse gate]

after you turn the lut dump option you will have to restart for it to take effect

then after the restart go to the same area where the sliders broke

[leaden cedar]

do i need any specific settings enabled before lut dumping?

[coarse gate]

nah they aren't used but the precompilation step usually catches most of the shaders and allows them to be dumped, then I can just search through the entire dump for all the lutbuilder shaders

[coarse gate]

no just that dump lutbuilder slider is all

[stuck plume]

I had an issue with the mod today where, randomly after a cutscene it would get capped to SDR brightness. The only fix was exiting to the menu which seemed to fix it

so I think it was not the missing shaders

it happened right after the cutscene that kicks off the escape from monster sequence

[leaden cedar]

ok it generated 4

[wise rover]

But no _new in the name, sus.

Oh nvm, it's cause this is the first dump.

[coarse gate]

I didn't actually edit the third one there

since its just straight up aces I figured it didn't run at all

oh the last one I also didn't edit

ya that last one isn't even in my dump

i bet thats it

[meager drum]

That's concerning. Could be missing effects in HDR path

[meager drum]

It means unreal mod already has the shaders

[coarse gate]

possibly, but from what I saw all the other hdr lutbuilders had an sdr path in them

the game also has some lutbuilders that only have sdr output

such as the main one used in sdr

but when I forced sdr output in the hdr lutbuilder it matched SDR perfectly

[meager drum]

For a standalone mod, it's fine if you can confirm it. Could be meaningless like during menus

[coarse gate]

ya the unreal mod has some of the shaders already

If you’re gonna keep playing back up your save here

Will need you to double check it’s working when I add the shader in a couple minutes

[wise rover]

Oh, I thought _new was only dependent if the game itself dumped something for YOU only.

That makes more sense, and definitely more ideal.

😄

[meager drum]

Lutbuilder?

Lutbuilder_new?

[wise rover]

Prepackaged zip be nice to have as well, where you can point people to download and drop next to exe, and it already had preset with LUT dumping enabled.

Dumb way of it, but probs gonna help mod authors during WIP process.

Just link to #1408262263017574431 or whatever.

Only problem is maintaining it with latest generic UE build.

[coarse gate]

OUTDATED - CHECK PINS FOR LATEST BUILD
~~Silent Hill F - BETA 2

• Requires HDR on in game

Known Issues:

• Sliders in the Tone Mapping & Color Grading section do not apply in real time. Toggle HDR off and back on in order to apply changes to sliders. Alternatively opening the journal up on the d-pad may work
• Text/Images in the journal appears gray and faded
• Using this addon alongside Lilium's shaders may cause crashes

Changes:

• Added missing lutbuilder

Compatibility:

• External DLLs/injections such as Optiscaler/SpecialK may not work, please test without them first to confirm whether the mod works without them

Instructions:

• Install ReShade 6.5.1 with add-on support (don't need to select any shaders or addons in the setup)
• Paste renodx-silenthillf.addon64 into SILENT HILL f\SHf\Binaries\Win64, next to SHf-Win64-Shipping.exe
• In the ReShade add-ons tab you can disable Effect Runtime Sync and Generic Depth as they are unneeded, may boost performance
• Press Home to open the ReShade window and select the RenoDX tab to see the sliders and make adjustments~~

[coarse gate]

@leaden cedar

[leaden cedar]

awesome trying it out

[hasty garden]

[leaden cedar]

@coarse gate @hasty garden somebody else mentioned opening journal to apply settings so just hit Up Dpad and back out and its quicker - can confirm that works

[coarse gate]

ah very nice

[neat halo]

@coarse gate sorry for ping but even with this beta 2 version sliders arent working for me im turning off/on HDR in game and still changes arent applying :((

[coarse gate]

Alright then it might just be the aces lutbuilder. I’m just gonna make that one return a white screen so you can confirm quickly

[neat halo]

only ui slider is working

[leaden cedar]

@coarse gate confirmed the new LUT works on the 2nd map

@neat halo press dpad up to open journal, and then back out to see if bars refresh

[coarse gate]

Can you send your save file

You could be in an area with a lutbuilder we don’t have yet

[neat halo]

im at the begining of the game

the very begining

[coarse gate]

that’s odd

[neat halo]

i havent played because im waiting to fix this issue

[coarse gate]

Just to confirm

If you set the blowout slider to 100

And toggle hdr off and back on again

Do you get a black and white image

[neat halo]

let me check

nope

same vanilla image

just the UI slider is working

[bright coyote]

journal fixed?

[coarse gate]

Ill fix that tonight

[bright coyote]

so could u describe whats the difference between first one?

[austere nexus]

Hey im kind of a noob but is thereba reason the game wont boot when i add the file to the win64 folder? I just get a crash

[coarse gate]

There was an area where the mod didn’t apply because it was missing a shader. That’s now been added

[bright coyote]

nice

good work

[coarse gate]

Can you post the reshade.log file

[neat halo]

@coarse gate idk if this issue is because of optiscaler but yeah, i have paper white in 48 just for testing and sh1t still bright asf haha

[coarse gate]

can you delete the addon and use this one instead. once you've loaded it up can you set the settings mode slider to advanced and scroll down and turn on the dump lut option. then restart and open the game again. then load into the area and it'll dump a .cso file into the game directory, that will give me whatever lut file was missing

[coarse gate]

oh ok maybe its optiscaler

you could try without optiscaler first to confirm

[neat halo]

ye ill go try

[leaden cedar]

@musa another lut popped up mid level, from foggy to foggier

[neat halo]

tried that and is not optiscaler issue

the issue persist

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo you are using latest reshade with addon support? hdr enabled in windows and ingame?

[neat halo]

ofc sir

[leaden cedar]

i have it working with all settings on high/max, full screen bordered, dlss on quality

[neat halo]

im jealous fr

i've been trying to fix this HDR issue the whole day

[leaden cedar]

you have some other overlay messing with stuff?

im also on nvidia 377.0 drivers

[neat halo]

nope, because optiscaler already disables steam overlay

and im not using rtss+msiafterburner

tried without optiscaler and still same issue

@coarse gate this all the .cso files i got on my game directory

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo are there any other mods or tweak files you added? any command line stuff making it use dx11 or something? you have reshade installed as "dxgi.dll" in your "SHf\Binaries\Win64\renodx" right?

[neat halo]

Nope, only optiscaler

with optisclaer i need to set reshade dll as ReShade64.dll for it to load

but rn i removed optiscaler and im using dxgi.dll for reshade

same issue

[leaden cedar]

open your journal ingame and on renox DX look for UI brightness and move that around, that should change the brightness immediately

move it between far left and far right

[neat halo]

yes only ui slider works

everything else just doenst sir

[leaden cedar]

set the top sliders to this and try

[neat halo]

alright ill try

doenst work

[leaden cedar]

then set blowout to 100, press Dpad Up or G for journal, press B to back out or escape, then your screen color should be black and white

[neat halo]

Musa told me to do that and it didnt work :((

im living in silent hill rn with this issue fr

[leaden cedar]

maybe you need to advance the story a bit

like you're in some prologue tutorial area

[neat halo]

could be

im waiting for musa to check the .cso files

[leaden cedar]

try going to the first shrine and testing

[neat halo]

okay

[leaden cedar]

i read one comment about the game loading stuff after you go to a shrine and save

[coarse gate]

I'll check those out in a bit

[coarse gate]

need your save file, this uses some code I haven't seen yet so I need to manually test it

[leaden cedar]

when you load turn around and find this scarecrow and walk toward it

then once you walk into the bush the scene changes color

[neat halo]

same issue for me

reached there and nothing

bombit

[quaint mason]

Can't get away from asinine decisions like that

Getting a new game is a coin toss in what bs will be included. Will it be 30 fps cutscenes ✅ UE traversal+shader stutter ✅ near unusable HDR ✅ or an unholy trifecta of all 3? ✅

Other usual suspects are garbage frame pacing and wild requirements for the presentation

[magic pelican]

I've never understood the reasoning for that. Or when some games have a video intro, and the quality of the video is so low. Like, why is the video not high resolution?

[quaint mason]

It's basically impossible to rationally explain any of them aside from complete disinterest from the devs

[elder saddle]

The performance is lightyears ahead of SH2 remake here at least

[quaint mason]

Yeah but stuttering seems to be about as bad or close to it judging by the DF review. I'll try it out in a few hours to see

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo optiscaler replaces and adds a ton of files you might need to just delete all of these to test

[quaint mason]

Stutters made SH2 unplayable for me even if I could lock down good performance baseline

[elder saddle]

actual in game I only had stutters in one area where there seems to be a loading zone in the middle of the road and I'm about 4 hours in

there is some microstutter in a few other areas where stuff's loading in but compared to SH2 completely falling apart in some scenes it's way better

[quaint mason]

Sounds promising then, I gotta try it since the game itself does look cool

[neat halo]

do u think it could be cuz of fsr 4 dll replacement?

because i removed optiscaler files but fsr 4 dll

well i surrender man, this thing just refuse to work for me 🙁

[granite halo]

for me opticaler + reshade in ue5 only works when the former is installed as d3d12.dll

[leaden cedar]

delete all those files and dump mine into that folder @neat halo see what happens

[neat halo]

okay

[leaden cedar]

all you do is go ingame and set the preset slider around between 1 2 and 3 and see if theres a difference once ingame

[bright coyote]

there is one really big reason for that: space. ppl cry about games being to big and videos takes up a lot of space

[bright coyote]

i dont have any stutters

[neat halo]

yep nothing change

idk whats the problem

even generic ue reno isnt working well

[bright coyote]

the problem is u cant read

its stated that sliders dont change in real time

[neat halo]

well seems the one who cant read is you

[bright coyote]

okay

[neat halo]

im toggle on/off hdr everytime

and shit doenst work

tf u mean

chill

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo so you go to preset 3, then press Journal button then exit right? then try 2 and nothing changes?

[quaint mason]

You do, measure with RTSS frame graph and run fps above 30, they'll be there

[neat halo]

nothing change

[leaden cedar]

make sure hdr is on and use journal method

[quaint mason]

A shit ton of people aren't sensitive to stuttering judging by all the online discussions for games with confirmed stuttering issues. There are no magical configurations that are exempt from that.

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo you have any weird settings on like color blind mode?

[neat halo]

no sir

[leaden cedar]

what nvidia driver version you on

[neat halo]

im using AMD

lastest driver

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo look up how to clear AMD shader cache after closing the game and then re-open

[neat halo]

what im doing is what the mod says, after i change some settings i go turn off hdr and turn it back on

[neat halo]

can u belive i literally did DDU on my driver this morning because of this issue

ig when u ddu amd driver it also clears shader cache

[leaden cedar]

its possibly an AMD thing

do you have this on? With HDR active in Windows, go to Radeon Software > Settings (gear icon) > Display, then enable Custom Color. Once that’s on, you’ll see Color Temperature Control appear — disable it. Disabling this setting makes a huge difference

[neat halo]

Yes i have that enable because on my monitor "xiaomi g pro 27i" if i disable color temperature control colors look oversaturated and wrong

which in my 2nd monitor doenst happen

ill try disabling it tho

[magic pelican]

Tried out the mod for a couple of minutes, and it's looking good! Can't wait to jump back in later tonight.

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo if you are on windows 11 that allows you to turn HDR on/off it is WIN+ALT+B maybe try that out a few times

maybe autohdr is doing stuff

[neat halo]

prob

[leaden cedar]

im on win 10 and nvidia so i cant really test any of this stuff

[neat halo]

there is something wrong on my PC 100% becuase im the only one facing this issue rn

this game stutters like hell

[leaden cedar]

@neat halo make sure your dedicated graphics card is being used in game https://youtu.be/oIsM1nAa6u0?si=ISwmIAub_liZb-NB&t=147

[neat halo]

my cpu doenst have iGPU so ye is using the dGPU

[leaden cedar]

oh ok, this guy also made a good performance fix ini you can try out https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthillf/mods/25

[neat halo]

oh ty

[leaden cedar]

you're on AMD so you got FSR enabled in options?

not dlss

[coarse gate]

these are almost all fake, with ultra+ being the exception

the difference you saw is likely cause there were less shaders that weren't compiled, so you already had a warm shader cache when you loaded up the mod

[neat halo]

Ye fsr and tsr without optiscaler

[coarse gate]

thehybred is a known donation points farmer

[quaint mason]

Who donates to these guys tho? I'm assuming if you're going through the trouble of actually donating to someone, you would at least know what they (aren't in this case) doing 😭

[coarse gate]

I think donation points just come from endorsements/download not actually donations

I have a bunch

[quaint mason]

Goddamn

Didn't even know Nexus had that

[coarse gate]

you can't really do much with it

[quaint mason]

A direct incentive to scam then

[coarse gate]

you need an ass load of points before you get anything

[coarse gate]

ya

but these kinds of mods rack up donations fast

if you're early on nexus you can get a lot

[nova pewter]

You can enable FG on AMD also btw

[quaint mason]

Yeah especially when every single game has them lol

[coarse gate]

this guy is the most notorious of dp famers:
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthillf/mods/9

P40l0X

he has a patreon where he just uploads his recommended hdr settings for games

i would say its the dumbest grift of all tiem but clearly its working

digital foundry called out his mod as bullshit on df direct and did actual test and he got super defensive on resetera

his ff7 mod destroyed performance and then he released an update that got it back to somewhat normal and people thought he fixed the game

[nova pewter]

I believe those are AI generated Engine files

But this one works well tbh

[coarse gate]

they're mostly copied and pasted

you can tell cause with UUU you can enter in commands and see most of them don't actually do anything

[quaint mason]

Hey can't argue with fax

Mans got a 30% uplift from a copy pasted engine.ini tweak

[nova pewter]

For AMD users - activate your extra frames if needed 🔥 Works

[nova pewter]

Yeah I have downloaded few of them and was digging through - a lot of stuff just not actually working as U mentioned but in most cases there is legit stuff inside those files

[coarse gate]

not worth it to download unless you wanna go and test each command and compare

it's all nonsense

better to just let the Ultra+ guys cook

they have a beta already

[placid grail]

is it normal for the RenoDX addon to only effect the hud elements and setting menu?

Im toggling the addon on and off but the only thing that looks different are the hud elements

game looks the same

[wise rover]

Read the note in pinned comment.

[coarse gate]

don't even need to read the pinned comment, you just gotta read the text right above the slider

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[wise rover]

!read command that spams this GIF with the message, lol.

[neat halo]

omg im not the only one 2118hehpray

[coarse gate]

!read

ya i'll add that

or shortfuse can idk how to do that

@meager drum

!read command that spams the boondocks gif

[wise rover]

Gonna need a bot added.

Probs have to decide which bot to use for admin stuff first, thogh.

Can use same as the one that was used in SK.

Plenty of free ones.

[coarse gate]

lmao vanilla hdr looks like ass

straight up skips the color grading

not even a horror game anymore

SDR 2.2 Gamma 100 nits / RenoDX Game Brightness 100 / Vanilla HDR

[hasty garden]

I also called him out with FF7 Rebirth and he deleted my comments and restricted me from posting on NexusMods

he's a fraud

[coarse gate]

lmao

🐐

[bright coyote]

I don't know

https://youtu.be/qc2ddXwruh8

Imo looks nice maybe oversaturated a bit

[coarse gate]

most of the atmosphere is gone from this scene

areas that use color grading luts are broken

[coarse gate]

the start of the game doesn't use a lut iirc

[sharp moth]

tried it and looks pretty great thanks for this. is there a preferred type of tone mapping option we're supposed to use or is it personal preference? the default looks best to my eyes. thanks again

[coarse gate]

the default one Vanilla+ is the correct one, the others are just bonus options you can mess around with

[sharp moth]

what a difference tho seriously. game looks so flat without this

[rough forum]

I was wondering why sdr gameplay looked more cinematic than hdr

So vanilla HDR is just busted

[leaden cedar]

heres my dank config - hdr on ingame, brightness and contrast default levels

[sharp moth]

very nice ill try it out

im on an lg oled c3 so for me peak brightness is much lower. i have it set to 830 peak brightness and game brigtness at 350 everything else at default. looks good to my eyes but i want to experiment

do you have the brightness and contrast sliders at default in game?

oh nvm just read that you did

[bright coyote]

dafuq is that thing on her blouse/

[crimson sequoia]

*TheInbred

[sharp moth]

now we just need a way to uncap the cutscene fps. it is so distracting when it transitions to and from 30 fps

[crimson sequoia]

(mfw he’s down to making fake UE .ini config files)

[quaint mason]

Are the graphics a bit PS4 level? Haven't played it yet but everything I've seen looks a bit dated

[coarse gate]

OUTDATED - CHECK PINS FOR LATEST BUILD
~~Silent Hill F - BETA 3

• Requires HDR on in game

Known Issues:

• Sliders in the Tone Mapping & Color Grading section do not apply in real time. Toggle HDR off and back on in order to apply changes to sliders. Alternatively opening the journal up on the d-pad may work
• Text/Images in the journal appears gray and faded
• Using this addon alongside certain ReShade shaders e.g. Lilium's shaders may cause crashes

Changes:

• Added another missing lutbuilders

Compatibility:

• External DLLs/injections such as Optiscaler/SpecialK may not work, please test without them first to confirm whether the mod works without them

Instructions:

• Install ReShade 6.5.1 with add-on support (don't need to select any shaders or addons in the setup)
• Paste renodx-silenthillf.addon64 into SILENT HILL f\SHf\Binaries\Win64, next to SHf-Win64-Shipping.exe
• In the ReShade add-ons tab you can disable Effect Runtime Sync and Generic Depth as they are unneeded, may boost performance
• Press Home to open the ReShade window and select the RenoDX tab to see the sliders and make adjustments~~

[leaden cedar]

its not like next gen or anything, its unreal engine so exactly like silent hil remake

[crimson sequoia]

You did not have the same PS4 as us, then

[quaint mason]

That's ok if that's the case, seems a bit less complex from the screens but they can be misleading

[crimson sequoia]

The screenshot is riddled with sharpening artifacts tho

Crack that shit down rofl

[bright coyote]

some screens

[quaint mason]

Idk man, Uncharted 4 still dunks on half the stuff that comes out.

[crimson sequoia]

🤔

[wise rover]

Possibly one of the most visibly broken HDR as of late, no?

[quaint mason]

I forgot that TLOU2 is PS4, not sure how different it looks from the PC/PS5 code

[neat halo]

@coarse gate @leaden cedar look at the issue, im doing exactly what the little note says toggling off/on HDR no change on the peak brightness for example

[leaden cedar]

i got 100 sharpening level in nvidia, love that shit, im like 10 feet away from the screen so gotta jack that shit up

[wise rover]

mfw I keep updating beta files, and new beta is out before I even get to launch the game with previous beta file.

[leaden cedar]

set something super high or low like exposure, go to journal with G, exit, then see if theres a difference

[quaint mason]

100 sharpening is vile man

[crimson sequoia]

Jesus lol

[neat halo]

same thing, only thing that works is ui slider

[crimson sequoia]

Why even do that given how much it destroys the image

[quaint mason]

Turns the game to cel shading

If you're on 4k, there's really no need especially with DLSS 4

[leaden cedar]

its different when you're playing on a tv from the other side of the room

[crimson sequoia]

But the image is still destroyed, whether from one or ten feet away lol

[leaden cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-bubbles-trailer-park-boys-goober-gif-12960922054276230522

not to my lasik 20x20 eyes

[crimson sequoia]

It’s like forcing the sharpening filter on your TV when watching movies

Why.

[coarse gate]

checking these out now

[steep copper]

The Nvidia sharpening is crazy aggressive too, even 30% at a distance would be a lot

[spiral badger]

Journal working fine?

[crimson sequoia]

Yeah NIS is utterly disgusting

At least use (R)CAS

[coarse gate]

not yet lol I'm still fixing lutbuilders, I'll have it at some point tonight

[leaden cedar]

i love sharpness, feels like im there, 4k tv couch gamer 4 life

[coarse gate]

the journal is still visible, just appears gray

[steep copper]

If you like it then that's fine, but at least give cas a try. Way better sharpening imo

[leaden cedar]

gimme da cas command

[steep copper]

A version of CAS should be included with lilium's hdr reshade shaders

[crimson sequoia]

Cranked up NIS makes you feel like a Japanese school girl, you heard it here

[leaden cedar]

100 NIS is my blanket setting for every game so i dont need to tweak everything i run, i even turn my tv sharpness to 50, bro im inside the game

[coarse gate]

i think only hdr analysis is broken with this mod so the other shaders included should work fine

[wise rover]

Good to know

But also, not really needed as I don't need to use BFF.

As the mod has it all built-in.

[crimson sequoia]

Brother, you truly are one of a kind 😄

[leaden cedar]

life of a pro gamer brother

[wise rover]

Honestly? I can respect it cause he's self-aware.

He's more like that's just what tickles my fancy.

Could be worse, he could be making TI 2.0 channel and spreading this as gospel of truth.

[crimson sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/tasty-pulp-fiction-beverage-drink-samuel-l-jackson-gif-17825290

[ivory depot]

had to do this manually

[leaden cedar]

its not a game, its a school girl sim

[brave dawn]

vanilla hdr looked so bad i was thinking the lighting was bugged

thanks for the mod beta

[coarse gate]

I see why the journal is broken

its part of the game render and runs through the lutbuilder but with a different output device

same issue as borderlands @sullen mulch

[sullen mulch]

yeah, I just added a output device check to run the vanilla code if not hdr

[sleek turret]

uh

did anyone have this issue?

idk if game bug or if RenoDX bug

it looks like DLSS shitting itself

[leaden cedar]

no issues here

[spiral badger]

Try enabling motion blur

[hasty garden]

upscaling bug, yes. forcing DLAA fixes it. Konami will need to release a patch to fix this.

[spiral badger]

Having a stable fps cap/motion blur enabled fixes it for some reason

[weary dew]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-stats-statistics-gif-13408391465163304912

HDR on PC lately ^^

[hasty garden]

its some problem with how they implemented upscaling

[sleek turret]

wtf enabling motion blur did in fact fix it

thanks

[spiral badger]

Yeah lol it's weird

[sleek turret]

i disabled it because i noticed some artifacts with it, but i guess i'll use it.

[spiral badger]

Also fps cap works if you don't want motion blur

But it needs to be hitting the cap exactly

[hasty garden]

if your PC can handle it and you're on an NVIDIA card, forcing DLAA fixes it without having to cap FPS.

or turning on motion blur

[sharp vessel]

savior
it just happens with dlss and fsr
made a vid last night testing

[hasty garden]

I'd also recommend updating the DLSS binary to DLSS 4

since its on DLSS 3 by default

[sleek turret]

i did update the game to DLSS 4 but i noticed the transformer model sucks on this game

so i'm running a CNN model lol

[hasty garden]

it doesn't make much of a difference, I think the upscaling is completely broken currently.

which is why people are seeing these bugs

but its still worth updating for when they do fix the problem

[spiral badger]

DF mentioned this was a shader error from it's async shader compiling causing issues with upscalers btw

So best fix would for them to just fix the shader compilation step entirely probably

Not gonna happen tho, have never seen an Asian dev go back to fix anything related to shader comp issues lol

[hasty garden]

my game hasn't been stuttering at all, but its probably because I'm not upscaling at all

1% lows have been at ~70 FPS which is shocking for a UE5 title

[spiral badger]

There is a fix apparently, I haven't been playing the game so idk if it works, but loading back after saving, causes the shader comp step to work properly

[coarse gate]

ya so it sets output device to 8 which returns the preRRT color

[sharp vessel]

Reno working fine with SK and RR with U+

[wise rover]

U+ has yet to conflict with anything else for me, so that's been a good ride.

But I've only ever tested it with ReShade/RenoDX, so. idk how it is with SK usually.

Good to hear solid here as well.

[leaden cedar]

whats u+

[wise rover]

The Ultra Plus

Mods for tweaking engine files and such, make it prettier, etc.

Costs a lot more.

[sharp vessel]

https://discord.gg/HFYbkeVb

[sleek turret]

an asian dev

what makes you think western devs give a shit either?

they don't lmao

[spiral badger]

I did see Callisto fix it so imma have to give them this one for free lol

[sleek turret]

well here's an asian dev fixing it

[spiral badger]

Looks like a gacha game and I don't play those 😭

Last time I tried one I think it was called wuthering waves and holy the stutters

Was unreal engine 4 I think

[wise rover]

Not that bad, but had artifacts like that in menu.

Using any shaders with the game?

Enabled/disabled HDR analysis one? Artifacts came for me with the subsequent launch of the game when that crashed my game.

Rebooting PC fixed it.

[steep copper]

Motion blur fixed it

Another win for motion blur gang

https://tenor.com/view/sam-lake-cheers-bottoms-up-coffee-tea-gif-7297956

[sharp vessel]

i was anti motion blur until i hit 40
now give me that shit lol

[wise rover]

Bad motion blur is bad, old stuff used to be terribad.

Most modern stuff I've seen, I like it.

So.

[sharp vessel]

• i left my glasses in the car so it's blurry anyway right now

[sleek turret]

As i said before

I like motion blur normally, it's just that i saw a lot of artifacts on Hinako with motion blur on

so i disabled it because i thought it looked ugly

[coarse gate]

maple trying not to look like a pcmr dweeb that hates post processing

[sharp vessel]

this is why i had it off too
RR looks to fix this now

[sullen mulch]

I feel like a weirdo for thinking that motion blur actually helps me read things in motion. Like sure it's not ideal for clicking heads in counter strike...but honestly I only feel that way because things are so slow in that game to begin with. It helps me more quickly understand the motion of objects, even if there's a visual clarity hit.

[coarse gate]

Halo Reach

[coarse gate]

ya it makes animations more readable

the trail behind a moving object

[wise rover]

wtf is wrong with you both, wdym motion blur makes things more readable.

[hasty garden]

lol what is this cope I'm reading 😂 most of you guys wouldn't have motion blur on normally if the game wasn't bugged with it off

[wise rover]

Lol, no.

We have it enabled in every game.

[hasty garden]

that's crazy

[sullen mulch]

I always play with motion blur unless it's legitimately detrimental to the game

[coarse gate]

I always have motion blur on

[wise rover]

Only disabled in games where it's broken, and I can't name one where it's been broken in a long time.

[coarse gate]

liking motion blur off is a pcmr opinion

[sullen mulch]

like in cod I don't play with camera blur but I keep the object blur on

[coarse gate]

its basically threat interactive type opinion

[sleek turret]

I'm sorry i'm not a sweaty gamer with bad taste

[sharp vessel]

motion blur on unless it looks bad or is broken

[wise rover]

Yeah, and built off old prejiduces. There was 100% a moment in history (idk when don't ask) where it was mostly bad implemented, but that's not the case anymore, hasn't been for a really long time I'd say.

[coarse gate]

my gpu gets pretty hot so now I'm a sweaty gamer with good taste

[sleek turret]

Unless the motion blur is broken or it looks awful, i'm using it.

[wise rover]

So, if you're following it from way back then, where it was regularly bad, you really need to go in modern games with an open mind and try it.

You'll be surprised.

[coarse gate]

in some ue games they don't properly tie it to framerate and theres a command to fix that

[sleek turret]

On this game i don't even think it looked bad, it just looked broken

[coarse gate]

@granite halo do you know if the motion blur command is needed here

[sullen mulch]

almost always needed

[coarse gate]

like in a souls game if an enemy is swinging a sword, its a small thin object on screen so the trail behind it is super useful to help read its movement

[wise rover]

I disabled it initially but I was also moving my camera with mouse, I planned on enabling it again when I actually play the game, with controller.

So, I've yet to decidd.

[sullen mulch]

that's the other issue with motion blur though, it's so often poorly configured for higher framerates

[spiral badger]

Shutter speed to me looked odd

[wise rover]

I think in MGS Delta I felt it was a bit off, and might have disabled it there? But that game was 60fps locked and needed fixes to unlock bunch of shit, so maybe why.

[wise rover]

OHHHHHHH

bruh

I thought y'all meant actual fucking TEXT reading

[coarse gate]

why would text have motion blur...

[wise rover]

I was like wtf are you talking about

EXACTLY lmao

[coarse gate]

unless you mean you're reading a sign and moving the camera around wildly

[sullen mulch]

LMAO

[wise rover]

I was like why are you even reading text with crazy camera like.

I was re-reading Jon's comment to make sure if I read it right first, and then you agreed.

And I was like either I'm taking crazy pills, are y'all.

But yeah, overall I like motion blur in pretty much most things.

Also, how it's applied. Like on the gun/arm or whole world.

Some games give you option and that's dope, cause some games I'd prefer one or the other, or both.

I would disable it in comp stuff, of course. But that's cause I'm being sweaty there.

But that's 1% of my game library.

[wise rover]

That's PRECISELY what I thought y'all were saying.

I have a meme for this.

[hasty garden]

this is mainly subjective but I'm going to have to disagree entirely with having motion blur on. there is no benefit in my opinion to having it on, it makes things harder to see when in motion, which is detrimental in action games especially. maybe in something like a racing game its not too bad, but in action and FPS games it is bad.

[sullen mulch]

I see the gaps in the frames and it annoys me

simple as that

[wise rover]

https://youtu.be/_bxhDb8sZ_Q

I thought y'all were mimicking this in-game and talking about reading text.

[spiral badger]

Trying playing a game at 30fps, with motion blur on/off

Off is unplayable to me, on actually makes it bearable

[hasty garden]

I would never play a game in 30 FPS man, if the game is running that badly I'm not playing it

lol

[coarse gate]

makes it hard to see the movement of small or thin objects without it

[sullen mulch]

even at high framerates, if I'm playing with a mouse I need motion blur for it to look smooth. Maybe I'll change my mind at like 500hz or something

[sleek turret]

That sure is your opinion and i sure don't care about it.

[hasty garden]

welcome to public chat rooms! 😂

[wise rover]

I had it enabled in DOOM, I think. And I play that game like a kid on sugar. Like I said, very well depends on how it's implemented in game.

[spiral badger]

Look you said it had no benefits lol, some games like on consoles are gonna be capped at 30, and motion blur is insanely beneficial there

[hasty garden]

that is a coping mechanism for the game performing badly on consoles in the first place

[wise rover]

But as Maple said, you're all in for your own opinion. But you should definitely have an open mind and try it, if you haven't in a long time.

[quaint mason]

Is the pinned file always the most recent one?

[hasty garden]

lets not ignore that fact

[sullen mulch]

I honestly don't particularly like the argument that it's needed at 30 fps because it's usually implying it's not needed at 60+.

[sleek turret]

performing badly
30FPS

[hasty garden]

just like DLSS is a coping mechanism to increase framerates, motion blur is similar in the example you mentioned @spiral badger

[wise rover]

[quaint mason]

DLLS is quite literally increasing the frame rates my guy

DLSS*

[hasty garden]

that's my point... it increases framerates but you have issues such as ghosting and artifacting

[hasty garden]

yes, 30 FPS in 2025 is terrible, people were just complaining in here about 30 FPS cutscenes lol

[whole halo]

I pasted the add on and it doesn't appear to be changing the HDR at all.

[quaint mason]

vastly depends on the game, you often have issue with TAA too (native res)

[sleek turret]

I find the 30FPS cutscenes in this game annoying because their frame limiter is trash and can't pace 30fps properly

but i think 30fps is perfectly fine

if it's consistent

(and paced correctly)

[hasty garden]

that's insane but you do you man

[quaint mason]

DLSS is almost always an upgrade over TAA unless the game botches it. Uncharted 4 for example has many shitty side effects of DLSS regardless of the version (flickering shadows and highlights)

[sleek turret]

I mean i'm playing the video games and i'm having fun

You can be a sweaty gamer if you want

[quaint mason]

I've never once seen a game that has artificial limiters have proper frame pacing in those moments. It's always some janky garbage that looks even lower than 30

[hasty garden]

I spent over $1000 on a GPU, if a game is running at 30 FPS I'm not playing that crap, that is unnacceptable in today's age. its not about being sweaty, people spent good money on their hardware, games should not be running worse as a result of that

[sleek turret]

Why did you buy the game then? Are you stupid?

[hasty garden]

the game runs great on my PC, that's why I'm playing it? it runs at 90 FPS+ with DLAA

what is happening here

???

[wise rover]

Cutscenes are 30FPS capped, unless you mean you're okay with cutscenes at 30fps.

[hasty garden]

the cutscenes are messed up yes, not much I can do about that until they release a mod to fix it. the game itself still runs great so I can manage. if the entire game was running like that then no I wouldn't play it

cutscenes are tolerable since I'm not actually playing the game and dealing with input lag

im just watching

[elfin thorn]

seems to be quite rare these days, a lot of the time, dlss integration is great. FG sometimes not so much.

[quaint mason]

accepting 30 during gameplay in this day and age is having rock bottom standards tbh, expecting better doesn't make one a sweat gamer tm

[sleek turret]

I mean, it's all about trade offs in my opinion, between playing a game at 30FPS or not playing the game

i'd rather play the game

and on consoles for instance, if the game has a 60FPS mode but it looks like trash

[quaint mason]

eh, I'd sooner not play it, that's why I gave up on consoles a long time ago

[sleek turret]

i'm playing the game at 30FPS

[quaint mason]

it feels like absolute shit if you're used to 100=

+*

but then again, locking cutscenes to 30 is absolutely unjustiable

lyall comes out with a mod a few days after these come out, and fixes it entirely with 0 downsides

[sleek turret]

No amount of optimization will make this game run at 60FPS on a Steam Deck

it's just impossible

[quaint mason]

I was doing the same with a PS4 Pro years ago, but I only had a 60hz monitor at the time so going back and forth wasn't as massive of a difference

[spiral badger]

FF7 rebirth moment

[sleek turret]

then your choice is

play the game at 30FPS or not play the game at all

what will you do?

[hasty garden]

don't buy a Steam Deck

[quaint mason]

moving to 120 completely killed 30 for me, and made 60 feel bad

[hasty garden]

😂

[wise rover]

I go from 144Hz to 30/40FPS mode often on consoles with exclusives.

Takes me maybe 15mins to adjust, if at all.

[sleek turret]

Ok then, i'm going to carry around my desktop on the bus, i'm sure it will go well.

[wise rover]

And then it's fine.

Played Spoods 2 like that, didn't have a single issue.

[hasty garden]

you can play other games on Steam Deck that actually run well, like Hades

[brave dawn]

40fps mode on spiderman was great yeah

[spiral badger]

Yuh, only time it's jarring if you constantly switch between high/low fps but it's completely fine once you adjust

[hasty garden]

you're trying to shove a mack truck into a tunnel it won't fit in

makes no sense to me

[sleek turret]

same

[sleek turret]

i don't have any issues adjusting to it tbh

[sleek turret]

it's very simple actually

i want to play the video game

[hasty garden]

its like expecting a Game Boy Advance to run Mario Sunshine

[wise rover]

I only have it if it's like I jsut stopped playing Helldivers 2, and jumped on couch, and playing.

[sleek turret]

and so i will

[wise rover]

15mins is excessive, I guess.

[sleek turret]

it's not that the game is unplayable at 30FPS lol

[wise rover]

But yeah, I adjust really quickly where it's not a concern at all.

Yeah

[sleek turret]

if you can't do it

it's your own fucking skill issue

[wise rover]

Broken game is broken game, 30fps or 60fps won't fix it.

I'd MUCH rather take a consistent 40fps experience, than an inconsistent 144Hz.

ANYTIME of the day.

[coarse gate]

devs are already undersampling tons of effects in order to get them running properly, DLSS unifies it. Devs just need to not make dumb sacrifices to boost performance like doing effects like DoF/bloom before upscaling

[wise rover]

or 120Hz for that matter, since I had that panel at that time.

I think I'll have a 90fps lock for this game with my rig? So I don't do any dips, I'll have to check when I play but that's the limit I saw ideal.

Sometimes it goes above 100+ but some areas were dipping to about 90-ish.

Rather have a stable experience.

[coarse gate]

tbh hades is hideous I can't stand it

[sleek turret]

Ok so uh, consider this

this might be very hard for you to consider, but try this

[hasty garden]

I agree, but its also giving these devs an excuse to not optimize their games as well. "Just turn on frame gen" is like a cop out. That's what's happening with Borderlands 4 right now. The game runs terribly on most PCs and they're like "frame gen!"

[sleek turret]

I already played Hades, i do not want to play Hades

I want to play this trash

And so i will.

it's that simple

[brave dawn]

platinuming bloodborne on base ps4 will teach you to love a consistent 30fps

[quaint mason]

wait this doesn't even have FG lol

[wise rover]

LOOOOOOOOOOL

[hasty garden]

it just seems like taking shortcuts to me, in some ways DLSS is beneficial, but it is also creating new problems

[coarse gate]

upscaling is the optimization, they just need time to spend on other fixes

[wise rover]

I'll still happily play Bloodborne (already platinum'd it)

With that dogshit fucking pacing.

Cause the game is just that fucking good.

[hasty garden]

and its also being locked to one vendor which kinda sucks. FSR is good but not as good

[quaint mason]

yeah no, I did and I still despise it

[brave dawn]

i replay it often that game rocks

[wise rover]

Not making excuses for FS cause .. FS be FS.

But not gonna skip out on from playing teh game.

[quaint mason]

play it on shadps4 60 + LSFG and it's infinitely better

[wise rover]

I think my save file rn is NG+17 or something.

[quaint mason]

30 sucks donkey dicks, especially in BB

[wise rover]

I do a whole run in co-op whenever I get someone to try it.

[sleek turret]

I like my game to not crash

that's kinda important to me when i'm playing

[quaint mason]

crashes like every 2 hours or so

not a big deal if you're losing on 120 vs 30 with drops

[sleek turret]

well my tolerance of crashes is very much 0

[wise rover]

lol

I do not want my games to crash, let alone one like BB.

[brave dawn]

shadps4 is cool tech but yeah visual glitches and crashing is more interruptive than low fps to me

[wise rover]

That sounds far more infuriating to me.

[quaint mason]

tbh I don't even know whether and how often it crashes with no resolution patches

[wise rover]

I'll emulate it for sure once it's stable, though.

[quaint mason]

at 1440p it looks far better, but yeah VRAM craps up after 2 hours or so

[sleek turret]

i'm taking the 30FPS if it means the game won't crash, but also, in order to play BB on my Intel CPU, i had to install a mod that disabled a bunch of VFX to make the game NOT crash in the first minutes.

So uh

[quaint mason]

there are no glitches, it's essentially perfect now or 98% there

[sleek turret]

60FPS with missing effects and random crashes

vs real hardware at 30FPS

[quaint mason]

there are no missing effects

[sleek turret]

i'm taking the real hardware

[hasty garden]

you can do what you want of course, it just doesn't make sense to me personally. I'd rather play games that I know work well with a device, then try to force a device to play something that it clearly isn't designed to run. this is why console sales have been plummeting lately and PC gaming is on the rise, because the consoles just can't keep up in terms of performance.

[sleek turret]

There is if you are on an Intel CPU

[coarse gate]

oof forgot to expose the by luminance tonemap slider

[quaint mason]

"real hardware" means shit if the game runs horribly

[coarse gate]

idk if its just passing 0 or what

[whole halo]

I can only get the UI slider to work. Am I doing something wrong?

[quaint mason]

From is thoroughly incompetent, so all of their games run poorly without mods and workarounds

[brave dawn]

maybe ill give it a shot now last time i tried was several months ago

[coarse gate]

did you see the tooltip on top of the sliders

[sleek turret]

Well you do what you want i don't care.

[hasty garden]

Randy Pitchford seems to think the game is fine 🤣

[coarse gate]

toggle hdr on and off, but I think just opening the journal does the same thing

[hasty garden]

but I agree, seems like they should have delayed the game a bit more

[quaint mason]

If you're on AMD, it's by far the absolute best way to play it

AMD CPU to be precise

[coarse gate]

he knows its not, he's lying. I guess you could say it gives them more opportunities to deflect from bad performance but it's blaming something that isn't the issue

[quaint mason]

not sure how close intel is with mods for SFX

[sleek turret]

the mods are pratically the same as disabling it.

[brave dawn]

yeah im on amd ill give shadps4 another look when im in a BB mood

with the old build i had to run it at 900p

[whole halo]

I'm not seeing any change to the image, but I'll keep trying and report back.

[coarse gate]

you have hdr enabled in game?

someone said they had to restart the game for it to show their changes

[hasty garden]

From what Tim Sweeney, the founder of Epic Games and creator of Unreal Engine has said, it is mainly due to the game devs ignoring weaker hardware since they mainly develop the game on top of the line rigs. they don't take the time to actually optimize for weaker hardware. They wait until after release or until the last minute to do so. It's sheer negligence and laziness. He's trying to teach devs not to do this through Epic Games documentation

which is just wild

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/epic-games-ceo-tim-sweeney-explains-unreal-engine-5-performance-problems

[whole halo]

I do. It's working now. When I open and close the journal, I see changes. Thanks for all your work!

[hasty garden]

that's why people on 4090s and 5090s are like "the game runs fine for me" and everyone else is like "this game runs like crap!!!" 😂

[mild hawk]

What is RR?

[hasty garden]

ray reconstruction I believe

its mainly beneficial if the game has ray tracing, it can work without ray tracing but you will barely see a difference

[sleek turret]

it can have some pretty big effects on SW Lumen but uh yeah.

[coarse gate]

he's lying cause the stutters are impossible to brute force

[sleek turret]

It usually makes performance worse btw

[coarse gate]

like bloober obviously knew silent hill 2 was an unplayable stutter fest on top of the line hardware

and it'll never be fixed

[hasty garden]

the stuttering is just one part of the problem, Epic is already aware of that problem and have made blog posts about it. that doesn't excuse the poor framerates though

[coarse gate]

stuttering is the biggest problem

[coarse gate]

those people are all blind

doesn't matter how good your specs are

can't brute force the stutter

[quaint mason]

That game still has overwhelmingly positive on Steam

[hasty garden]

yeah I agree 100%, but even if you remove the stuttering, the bad framerates are still there

[brave dawn]

i am pretty happy that shf nowhere near as bad as sh2 was performance wise

[hasty garden]

that won't just go away until devs take optimization more seriously

[quaint mason]

Yet another proof that most people are blind to stutter

[wise rover]

Oh boi, yeah, no.

[coarse gate]

lack of time, technical knowhow

[wise rover]

He's just shifting the blame.

We've had lengthy convos about this already in this server.

[coarse gate]

epic marketed things like nanite as just working like magic

[wise rover]

Yeah, and they continue to do so.

"It just works!"

[quaint mason]

Does Fortnite still stutter like insane with shader comp 😂 ?

[wise rover]

They make it like UE5 is an epitome of WYSIWYG, but it's far from that.

[wise rover]

Yes

[quaint mason]

Or did they finally clean their own backyadd

[coarse gate]

and I've seen how stupid some of the stuff that happens in code is, I was looking at jedi survivor and they have a lutbuilder and run ACES on the UI if HDR is enabled while in SDR it just encodes in gamma and that's it, that can only happen if someone who doesn't program is just using the UE GUI to do shit.

[quaint mason]

Jesus

[wise rover]

Albeit, it's never been TOO bad for me. Even in other games were people swear that it's unplayable, I don't feel that way.

[hasty garden]

it doesn't, that is cap. if you download the precompiled shaders, the game does not stutter. I have hundreds of hours in Fortnite

[wise rover]

Some games are bad, though. And .. not just UE5, even on UE4.

What was that cowboy game

[hasty garden]

its like 40 extra GB

[quaint mason]

JS is probably the worst AAA port of the decade, so that tracks

[hasty garden]

Epic implemented the solution that Microsoft is proposing

[wise rover]

Evil West!

Holy shit, never seen a game stutter worse than that.

[quaint mason]

I remember it having some issues with its built in HDR and FG when used together

[hasty garden]

yeah that is definitely another issue

lack of knowledge of the engine

[quaint mason]

That cloud precomp bs? I sincerely hope that never gets mass adopted

[hasty garden]

poor marketing from Epic

[sullen mulch]

I think it comes with the territory of off the shelf engines. They're literally selling devs on not having the talent to make the tech in-house

[hasty garden]

it will, you don't have a choice lol

it does fix the problem, but I agree its not the best solution

since it relies on internet connection

[quaint mason]

Doubt it, Microsoft are incompetent af with stuff like that

[wise rover]

Much of the web, and overall pretty much everything out there is put together with spit, to be quite honest with you.

But it all works, cause the people handling it are generally competent, and they know what 'shortcuts' they took, etc.

UE5, as you mentioned being marketed as 'it just works', that just makes for bad practices far more abhorrent.

re: that convo about UE5 experts being hired at studios.

[quaint mason]

It's the worst case scenario for everyone who isn't a lifelong Game Pass andy

[coarse gate]

ya they hired UE experts instead of engineers

[hasty garden]

they're not just rolling out to the Xbox app, Steam will likely implement it too

they already do this with the Steam Deck

you download shaders from Steam

[quaint mason]

I know, and it intrinsically ties games to online functionality

[hasty garden]

yeah that's the crappy part

[quaint mason]

And there's no way to untie them if they start relying on it

[hasty garden]

it uses the AgilitySDK which anyone can download and use, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone develops a tool that allows you to compile the shaders yourself offline

[quaint mason]

That would turn an L into a massive W, hope it can be done

[hasty garden]

not saying it will happen

but its possible

[quaint mason]

Still, shader comp is only the cause for some stuttering. Traversal and asset loading etc still rests on Epic and devs

And they're in competition for who gives less of a shit lol

[sullen mulch]

I'd like to think that we'd still get shader precompilation as a local fallback still...but that's highly optimistic

[hasty garden]

yeah, they're at least aware of it, not sure if it'll be fixed but it seems like everyone is collaborating to try and fix it now. UE4 also had this problem but it was nowhere near as bad because games weren't as complicated

This is a good read about it: https://dev.epicgames.com/community/learning/tutorials/xjzE/unreal-engine-epic-for-indies-game-engines-shader-stuttering-ue-s-solution

they even explain that storing PSOs would be costly, but apparently Microsoft does not care and thinks the cloud can handle it so

conflicting information there 😂

I believe a big reason shader stuttering is such a big issue today is that no one really messaged this loudly enough; game developers just didn’t know. We also didn’t message this; we didn’t say, “Hey, you’re using DX12, make sure you’re bundling those PSOs” when packaging your UE game before we had PSO Precaching.

like @coarse gate said, these guys just don't know what they're doing 😂

game devs have fell off

[wise rover]

The success of the system heavily depends on smart heuristics to decide which PSOs to keep. If the heuristics are suboptimal, performance or memory usage could degrade.

[hasty garden]

yup, Microsoft thinks they've figured it out so we'll see. They're rolling it out to handhelds first and then if that works well they're going to give the SDK out to everyone else

[wise rover]

The confliction info is less about factual contradiction and more aobut different architectural philosophies and trade-off choices, these things aren't made in vacuums and every project is different.

People working at Epic are really smart, but one thing they've been bad at is how they've marketed the engine since UE5.

In the name of more accessibility, which they have 100% achieved, they have also opened the room for errors like these.

I am not one to talk shit about other devs, or say they don't know what they're doing when I don't have all the context.

[quaint mason]

I still find it insane that they are incapable of making sure the ONE game they are making doesn't stutter like crazy

I get that it's a different team but it's embarrassing

[wise rover]

But the slopification with 'engine experts' isn't new to UE5 either, it just made it much worse.

[hasty garden]

it doesn't stutter man I'm telling you, I play it all the time. you just have to make sure you download the 40 GB "Pre-download Streamed Assets"

they already have PSOs and it works

[quaint mason]

Ah mb didn't see that

[quaint mason]

P40L0X was the real engine expert all along

[wise rover]

Also, I remember reading that a while ago and one of my takeaways in my limited understanding was that the scalability in extreme cases gonna make their proposed approaches false. In very large or heavily dynamic games, with many material variants, custom shaders, runtime changes, et al. The system might still hit limits or fall back to on-demand compilation, which will still lead to stutters.

And as they pointed out as well pretty sure, not all stutter is shader related. Even a flawless PSO system doesn't solve CPU spikes, disk I/O, streaming hitches, etc.

[wise rover]

[quaint mason]

Wtf is 40gb tho

[hasty garden]

all of the shaders, Fortnite has a shit ton of assets

[quaint mason]

Compiled shaders for a game are ranging in hundreds of mb max usually?

[hasty garden]

that's why they were saying it would be TBs of data and it might not be feasible to store

#1419910883479519323 message

[sleek turret]

That's not how any of this works LOL

they got fossilize extremely wrong

[quaint mason]

Great if it does actually work for Fortnite but it's kinda insane. Games that DON'T have shader comp stutter don't have massive shader folders on hand either.

[hasty garden]

this man is arguing with Epic Games themselves

that is wild

[quaint mason]

I'm eager to see if Coalition can unfuck UE5 for the next Gears

They were the most competent studio with 4 by far

[coarse gate]

I've seen Epic's HDR code, I don't trust them with shit

[wise rover]

She is very well versed with Vulkan/Proton stuff, and that's that Fossilize is about. I wouldn't discredit it entirely either.

[sleek turret]

Well, last time i checked, Epic doesn't do anything for Linux

[coarse gate]

you can see all the nerd shit on her github she knows more than any of us

[sleek turret]

so i don't think they are qualified to talk about Fossilize

[quaint mason]

For existing games, GoW Ragnarok is insanely well optimized and it takes a few minutes to precompile. Whatever Jetpack was doing, they cooked well.

[hasty garden]

based on this error, I don't think Epic is wrong here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/fossilize-error-on-launch.1597770/

Fossilize INFO: Overriding serialization path: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\shadercache\1158310\fozpipelinesv6\steamapprun_pipeline_cache".

it does handle PSO cache

[sleek turret]

Dude you have no idea what you are talking about.

[hasty garden]

lol okay

why would Fossilize be looking at pipeline caches if it was doing absolutely nothing with it

and overriding paths for it

[sleek turret]

Fossilize captures not the compiled PSO from your driver, but the pre-compiled PSO that is bundled with the game, and if you see a PSO that it's not on the distributed shader cache on Steam, it will get uploaded to the cloud and shared across all Steam users.
The thing Fossilize captures is meant to be replayable from any device, and that's what it does on Linux

you download the game, Valve ships you a fossilized cache, and then you replay the capture before starting the game

the way game devs build a shader cache for you to build is very similar to this.

but Valve does it generically for every game on Steam

and you just build the pipelines before the game start

[hasty garden]

I don't see how they're wrong here then, they said that the shader cache that was built for Steam Deck would not work on DX12

what is wrong about that

[sleek turret]

You are blind and you missed the part where i said it's REPLAYABLE FROM ANY DEVICE

the shader caches on Steam aren't for the Steam deck

they are for ANY COMPUTER RUNNING LINUX

YOU CAN GET THEM RIGHT NOW.

If you install Linux

Many terabytes of data: Every PSO for every game for every GPU type, architecture, and driver version would be an immense amount of data.
Developers would still need to manually gather all the PSOs for each game for every GPU type, architecture, and driver version.

this is FLAT OUT WRONG

[hasty garden]

but not everyone is on Linux though

[sleek turret]

Because Fossilize does not capture, and Valve does not ship PSOs for your GPU

[hasty garden]

there are Windows users

[sleek turret]

Well Valve doesn't give a fuck about you

[hasty garden]

the question is if it'll work on all platforms

...?

I'm confused here

[sleek turret]

This system does work on Windows, but it only works with Vulkan native games

not with Direct3D

[hasty garden]

yes, so they were correct in saying it won't work with DX12

[ivory depot]

Is there a carbon monoxide leak in all your houses? The motion blur looks absolutely horrid in this game

[sleek turret]

so you don't get shader caches basically

[sleek turret]

Well, yes, Fossilize itself will not, but here's the thing

[spiral badger]

Shutter speed looks weird in this game to me yeah

[sleek turret]

there is nothing stopping anyone from implementing a system like this for DX12

Valve just didn't do it

[coarse gate]

can't you change the shutter speed with an ini edit in UE

[hasty garden]

yeah I know, that's what Microsoft is doing

[sleek turret]

because they don't give a fuck about non-Linux OSs

[sleek turret]

But like, this is objectively objectively wrong

this is not what Fossilize does at all

We don't capture the built PSO from the driver

[hasty garden]

I don't think you read the whole thing, they never said Fossilize does this

[sleek turret]

We capture the PSO the game engine uploads to the driver to be compilled

THEY DID SAY IT

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CAN`T READ

SteamOS on the SteamDeck uses a Vulkan plugin (Fossilize), so it’s not available for DX12 games. However, it can be used by other handhelds, and Bazzite (a Linux distro) also uses that plugin for handhelds.

The thing is, it’s only practical for fixed hardware like SteamDeck and other handhelds. Doing it for all DX12 games on all PC configurations would be impractical:

[hasty garden]

"The thing is, it’s only practical for fixed hardware like SteamDeck and other handhelds."

[sleek turret]

Any computer running Steam for Linux

[spiral badger]

Probably, don't know the cvar tho

[sleek turret]

has Fossilize

and uses those shader caches

ANY COMPUTER

Not the Steam Deck, not the handhelds

ANYTHING

[hasty garden]

Yes, because of Vulkan. They are talking about DX12

its different

[sleek turret]

it is not

there is nothing about DX12 that makes this impossible

DX12 pipelines work in much the same way

[hasty garden]

they didn't say its impossible, they said its not practical. I know its possible because Microsoft is doing it: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/introducing-advanced-shader-delivery/

[sleek turret]

It is pratical and it is possible

What MIcrosoft is doing is kinda like that

[hasty garden]

they also said "Maybe I’m missing something, and there’s a golden business opportunity waiting for someone to seize it."

[sleek turret]

they are doing something more weird

[sleek turret]

Well yeah he's fucking wrong

At least he admits it

[sleek turret]

What Microsoft wants to do isn't exactly "ok, let's ship a bunch of pre-compiled PSOs for your computer to compile", like Fossilize does

what they want to do is "ok, we're going to build PSOs for you in the cloud with an offline version of the driver shader compiler"

[sleek turret]

This is much more complicated to do generically

which is why they are only doing it for the ROG Ally

[sleek turret]

Because on this scenario, they do have to compile infinite permutations

But this is unnecessary.

[hasty garden]

yeah which only someone like Microsoft who owns all of Azure could possibly do currently. Not sure if Steam would be able to do something like this. Microsoft also said this: "Our initial launch of advanced shader delivery requires no work from game studios to integrate. As we expand support across more games and devices, we will collaborate with game developers to integrate the capability directly into game engines — ensuring games can take advantage of advanced shader delivery on launch day."

so it seems like they want to make it so anyone can do it

not sure how but

[sleek turret]

I mean uh, it's easy to make this work for everyone

[hasty garden]

they just gotta buy some cloud nodes from Microsoft, they're about to rake in some cash 😂

[sleek turret]

SODBs is practically what Fossilize is

instead of shipping PSDBs, just ship SODBs and compile things locally on your PC

this is what Fossilize does on Linux

and there's no reason why it wouldn't work on Windows either

you don't need this cloud building nonsense

what this cloud building nonsense is, is instead of you building the precompilled shaders on start up

we just shipped the compilled shaders for your GPU

[hasty garden]

doesn't Steam provide the shaders during download as well for the Steam Deck?

I thought they did

[sleek turret]

Did you ignore the thing i said

where they ship that for everyone

and you have to build it before the game opens?

[hasty garden]

I didn't know you were gonna keep typing, I started replying here: #1419910883479519323 message

lmao

my bad

I know how it works I read up on it already

Epic was probably talking about it being impractical for them to do it themselves now that I think about it. They don't have Microsoft money

They did it for Fortnite but to do it for all games is definitely costly

[sleek turret]

I think Epic misunderstood a bit the way the system works.

The way Valve's System works is "what if we added a shader pre-compilation step for every game on start up"
The way Microsoft's System works is "what if we took the shader pre-compilation step and did it on the cloud for you so you don't have to wait"

Epic thought Valve was doing something like Microsoft

but they are not.

[coarse gate]

*a random guy at epic that made a blog post on their website

[sleek turret]

lmao really?

[sleek turret]

the Microsoft system does in fact have the issues that Epic mentioned of scaling

you would need to compile shaders for any GPU and any driver version

but the Valve system doesn't care about any of this

[hasty garden]

no lmao he's an Unreal Engine staff member

Unreal Engine Evangelist at Epic Games.

Former Lead Programmer on Returnal for PS5 at Housemarque.

yeah this isn't some random guy

[elder star]

motion blur looks like dogshit in every UE5 game, save maybe Hellblade II

[sleek turret]

Valve's system is practically how the game engine itself handles shader caching building

[quaint mason]

Ask this guy why Returnal stutters like a mofo on PC to day 😭

[hasty garden]

he was the lead programmer for Returnal which was an excellent game

[sleek turret]

but outsourced across the entire Steam userbase

[hasty garden]

oh okay I get you now

Its just doing it before you launch the game instead of after on first launch

[sleek turret]

yes, on Linux

[hasty garden]

its not actually stored in the cloud or anything like that, yeah I understand now

[sleek turret]

if you install a game, what will happen is, you will need to wait a few minutes for your PC to build the shaders

before you can run it

[hasty garden]

yup, I get it. its a post-install step

[hasty garden]

he hopped on UE5 too soon

[sleek turret]

Anyway, there is nothing about this system that could not work on Direct3D12

If this was not possible, having any form of shader pre-compilation with the game would be also impossible.

[sullen mulch]

tbf, I haven't played the game yet, I simply got pinged and have been yappin

[leaden cedar]

@coarse gate possible to add the lut dumping to your versions? again im seeing multuple lut/shaders load in the same level as before (second level)

[sleek turret]

btw, that message is just Fossilize saying they saving the results of it's capture on the path it logged.
An easy way to understand how Fossilize is by seeing this:
https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/manually-creating-bundled-pso-caches-in-unreal-engine?application_version=5.6
Fossilize is doing the recording step for any Vulkan game, it will capture any PSOs that haven't been compiled yet by your GPU driver, the Steam client then takes that recording and merges them with a database they have for every single app, and after a while, Valve will send that database to everyone with the app installed on Linux, which you then build when starting the game up.

It's basically doing that entire collection and bundling proccess to any Vulkan game on Steam.

[hasty garden]

ahhh I see

its crowdsourcing data, very cool actually

[sleek turret]

yeaaah

that's why people say some games don't stutter on Linux

because games without pre-compilation by the developers just get a pre-compilation step from crowdsourced data

[quaint mason]

The process seems sound but it's far too limited with Linux and Steam, I still cope that devs will start reigning in shader permutations and implementing competent precompcs because it can he done on a per game basis without tying yourself to an OS of a storefront

Neither is a great practice if it can be avoided

[sleek turret]

There is nothing stopping anyone from doing a similar process on Windows

[hasty garden]

and even with pre-compilation, the game can still stutter since it will miss some shaders during the pre-comp step

[sleek turret]

It's just that nobody wanted to be that person and do it on Windows.

[hasty garden]

but yeah crowdsourced data is a good solution

it will catch all shaders that could possibly be missed with a regular local pre-comp

it still relies on internet which is bad though

[quaint mason]

On UE yeah because it's trash, but it can be done as is demonstrated by game that don't have the issue

[coarse gate]

its in the shaders that sample the lutbuilder and since the shader precomp step sucks I can't catch all of them without actually playing

[hasty garden]

but that unfortunately is gaming in general, internet-reliant 😔

[quaint mason]

Big sadge

[sleek turret]

it is a good solution but it has quirks, because the crowdsourced data can get very big, not terabytes, but for instance, shader caches for live services on Linux are like 1GB-2GBs
Because imagine if the game gets updated and a new shader permutation shows up, with the old one getting deleted

we can't really know that the old permutation got deleted

so the shader cache just grows, it never shrinks

not exactly a downside

but more of a quirk

[hasty garden]

gotcha, that's pretty much Fortnite right now. 40 damn GBs of shaders

live service games are cooked lmao

now the game is over 100 GB because of it when before the shaders its only like 60 GB

[sleek turret]

you can work around this problem by just wiping the shader cache after it grows too big

and then collect everything again for the latest version

for a few hours people will have extra stuttering but eh it will solve itself in a day or so

[sleek turret]

I think it's still important for game devs to do that themselves, because yeah, it relies on the internet

which isn't ideal

But having the option of crowdsourced shader pre-comp is very useful for the games that just don't bother.

[hasty garden]

yeah its better than nothing

[leaden cedar]

@coarse gate new luts, same level an hour in just runnng around

[wise rover]

LUT collection time.

[coarse gate]

I was litereallyt just about to upload new beta

fixed journal

[wise rover]

LMAO

[leaden cedar]

save game, from here run north to the forest and back to the old scarecrow shine to the south and theres about 3 different trasitions

[coarse gate]

OUTDATED - CHECK PINS FOR LATEST BUILD
~~Silent Hill F - BETA 4

• Requires HDR on in game

Known Issues:

• Sliders in the Tone Mapping & Color Grading section do not apply in real time. Open and close the journal in order to apply changes.
• Using this addon alongside certain ReShade shaders e.g. Lilium's shaders may cause crashes

Changes:

• Fixed washed out UI in journal

Compatibility:

• External DLLs/injections such as Optiscaler/SpecialK may not work, please test without them first to confirm whether the mod works without them

Instructions:

• Install ReShade 6.5.1 with add-on support (don't need to select any shaders or addons in the setup)
• Paste renodx-silenthillf.addon64 into SILENT HILL f\SHf\Binaries\Win64, next to SHf-Win64-Shipping.exe
• In the ReShade add-ons tab you can disable Effect Runtime Sync and Generic Depth as they are unneeded, may boost performance
• Press Home to open the ReShade window and select the RenoDX tab to see the sliders and make adjustments~~

[sullen mulch]

you do anything special to fix it or just run the vanilla code?

if it's better than just running vanilla I will lazily copy paste

[coarse gate]

ya just don't run any custom code if outputdevice is 0, since outputdevice at 0 just returns the preRRT color and I don't touch anything before that anyway
just make sure that generate output has an if that skips the code if outputdevice is 8 as well as the part before where you change outputdevice/expandgamut/outputgamut

[leaden cedar]

@musa actually check this, i renamed the older ones but now its generating new ones with same name

[coarse gate]

it says new for shaders not in the UE generic addon

not my addon

[wise rover]

Another beta downloaded and installed, but this time I might actually play a bit.

[leaden cedar]

only other thing im running is ultra plus which i dont think should affect

[coarse gate]

ultra plus could potentially spawn new lutbuilders but its prob best to play with ultra+ anyway so might as well support it

[leaden cedar]

so i should only be sending ones that dont say _new?

ive been renaming them manually once they appear as _new back to without

[coarse gate]

Just send everything

[leaden cedar]

let me know if i should wipe the folder from here or how should i proceed getting new files

[coarse gate]

ya you can wipe it after each send

just send everything every time

[leaden cedar]

will do

going to do a round without ultra plus and see if it generates something different, i got no problem playing without it

[coarse gate]

i think it's extremely unlikely for ultra plus to spawn a new lutbuilder

[mild hawk]

I'm on a C2, but not sure what I should set game brightness to. I might settle on 300, but would like to know how you came to 350 for yourself?

[coarse gate]

entirely preference

I do 100 in a dark room with my monitor

I think on a tv the distance makes me prefer a little higher

[noble matrix]

I noticed this in an early cutscene and I thought it was just buggy behavior. Are you detecting all thous by eye haha. You're a true vanguard.

[leaden cedar]

i ran around with no Uplus, closed game, then with uplus installed, using a trainer to run fast through everything in this area. hopefully these arent duplicates @coarse gate . not sure if you can build a special ver of the .addon that adds dumping to your RenoDX settings but i could just go through the whole game and send you everything per level

[leaden cedar]

the game is weird af, the light/color changes are super obvious when you go into a new area, they did a real sloppy job

i used to do lots of texture mods using special K's texture injection years ago and had to run around collecting multiple copies of the same texture in different areas so i can see how much of a pain in the ass this is collecting the shaders\luts in every single area

[coarse gate]

🐐

the dumping stuff is kind of annoying to add tbh too lazy

how should i credit you in the about section

Special thanks to Drogean for help testing and gathering shaders

[leaden cedar]

yeah thats great

"my fav autist Drogean"

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-smug-spongebob-squarepants-gif-9547716225990610286

[coarse gate]

have to keep it professional now that df mentioned us in a video

[humble ridge]

Speaking of which, the addon for S2 seems broken to me. Highlights are blown out and the colours are too hot. I can't seem to find a good balance in colour, brightness/contrast in the game. In teh woods on a sunny day vs. being inside sircaa vs. being in a dark building, ... they are all so wonky if you tune for one and the others go to shit. Any idea wha ti'm doing wrong or if there is some other way to balance it on an aw3423dw?

[sharp vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-mike-wazowski-i-was-on-tv-tv-gif-22295677

[worldly willow]

[coarse gate]

OUTDATED, CHECK PINS FOR LATEST DOWNLOAD
~~Silent Hill F - BETA 5

• Requires HDR on in game

Known Issues:

• Sliders in the Tone Mapping & Color Grading section do not apply in real time. Open and close the journal in order to apply changes.
• Using this addon alongside certain ReShade shaders e.g. Lilium's shaders may cause crashes
• Someone experienced visual glitches that were fixed by resetting driver

Changes:

• Fixed UI transparencies appearing broken in some cases
• Added more lutbuilders

Compatibility:

• External DLLs/injections such as Optiscaler/SpecialK may not work, please test without them first to confirm whether the mod works without them

Instructions:

• Install ReShade 6.5.1 with add-on support (don't need to select any shaders or addons in the setup)
• Paste renodx-silenthillf.addon64 into SILENT HILL f\SHf\Binaries\Win64, next to SHf-Win64-Shipping.exe
• In the ReShade add-ons tab you can disable Effect Runtime Sync and Generic Depth as they are unneeded, may boost performance
• Press Home to open the ReShade window and select the RenoDX tab to see the sliders and make adjustments~~

[worldly willow]

Lesgoo

[leaden cedar]

bruh these scarecrow girls are thiccc

[bright coyote]

yay, good work

[leaden cedar]

@musa last batch, should be about 6 hours into the game at this point WHAT UP

incase i missed anything

[coarse gate]

got all of them

we might have everything

[leaden cedar]

so far there is basically a dungeon/cave area and a foggy town that takes up majority of the game so far, lets hope they use the same shaders throughout

[coarse gate]

the permutations of the lutbuilders I've seen so far are whether it uses 1 lut, 2 luts, or uses white balance adjustments

so I have all those 6

that might be everything

[leaden cedar]

if not i'll be here all day tommorrow im NEETing this shit up

release that shit on nexus bro get those points

normies about 2 unlock the game

[noble matrix]

Is it today or tomorrow? I'm not expecting Konami to launch any patch within a week and NVIDIA does not seem to have game ready drivers for this or they'd advertised it already right?

[coarse gate]

tomorrow

I'll give it a little more time so that we know there aren't big issues

then I can upload it maybe tonight or tomorrow

[leaden cedar]

heres my preset for 800 nit TVs and monitors, should work for all scenes

[warped prawn]

600 game brightness seems too extreme

[leaden cedar]

only extreme if you about that SDR life brother

two hdr flavors

i put my face into the flame and i say "does this feel real" if not, pump up that brightness. pretty sure thats how LG does it in the color lab

[worldly willow]

600 paperwhite

[warped prawn]

hmmm, maybe i should try it lol. my tv is 2000 peak brightness and yet i still always use 203 paper white

[leaden cedar]

if any of these settings were technical there would be a team of color scientsits grilling you on the best calibration settings

[worldly willow]

Bro has turned high dynamic range into Low dynamic range again, just brighter

[leaden cedar]

im that dude making these shitty reshades for 10 years on nexusi hope some of it translates into hdr settings

[worldly willow]

As you should

I use 203-250

On 2550 nit TV

(LG G5)

[blissful coral]

Wish this had a solution 😕
That banding is driving me nuts

[leaden cedar]

im on a 2k nit tv apparently reddit says its 800 in games

[warped prawn]

thanks, that's good to know. i had lg c3 with 800 peak before, but now that i have g5 i thought paper white should be higher than 203

[worldly willow]

Well absolute max I would go is like 300

[leaden cedar]

theres a few debanding plugins for reshade out there

[warped prawn]

is that with DTM on? windows calibration gives me 2000, but that's on hgig

[blissful coral]

That'll destroy the image in places where this isn't a problem.
I'll just live with it.

[worldly willow]

DTM doesn’t get brighter peak

Just makes whole image brighter

[coarse gate]

they have the standard UE lutbuilder that samples sRGB LUTs inside of it. Does that just introduce a quantization nightmare

[leaden cedar]

majority of these games have some LUT or shader that makes it so none of these "technically 2k" and "technically paper white" settings mean that much

when was the last time these blacks werent actually just dark blue

[coarse gate]

most important thing I would say is to have a good ratio between peak and paper white

enough room for highlights to breathe

[leaden cedar]

you guys are calibrating for games that are built like JJ abrahams movies

gotta learn to vibe code a bit

[coarse gate]

paper white should just be whatever you like

[worldly willow]

I’ve played around a bunch with my G5 since I have that much headroom compared to my old CX

[coarse gate]

I want something that is comfortable to look at and not eye searing

always paper white 100

[worldly willow]

If you run 500 paperwhite on that thing

[coarse gate]

maybe during the day time I'll go up to 140ish