The Legend of Heroes (Falcom/Phyre Engine)

[cobalt charm]

many shaders break in HDR and will require a lot of work like Cold Steel 3/4/5

SDR rendering

[latent mirage]

so im probably better off with specialk retrofit?

also cold steel 5 😭

[cobalt charm]

specialk retrofit won't make any difference because the game saturates at the end, unfortunately

[latent mirage]

oh man

[cobalt charm]

give this a try

who knows if it works

but like Sen games, this game has MSAA so renodx will have massive performance drop

[latent mirage]

i'll try later, thanks

since kyoto xanadu got announced, i wanted to give tokyo xanadu a shot

also totally forgot that the game is 32 bit lol

I wonder if playing it on ns2 would be better atp

[latent mirage]

It isn't crashing at the very least and sliders work - I'll try it a bit and report back.
Hermite keeps having those blue artifacts for me, so I'll try with ME

[latent mirage]

sorry for the SDR screnshot, looks like most of the game still is SDR. This was the first time i could move and check around in the game

light sources are fine tho

also the game runs at 60fps and there isn't really any graphic settings, i'm not getting by any strange perf impact

I did force msaa to 2x via senpatcher, so maybe that's why?

[cobalt charm]

Yes most of the game is sdr

[little orchid]

https://i.imgur.com/pVw5mF9.png

[woeful cipher]

I think that's "Reverie". I finished it with the RenoDX mod and it works fine.

[woeful cipher]

And I play it with LSFG 2x to get to 120 fps. Nvidia smooth motion doesn't work with it.

[cobalt charm]

yes its "Reverie" its more or less Cold Steel 5

[latent mirage]

Does lsfg work with hdr? Thought it would be broken

[split dune]

It works, there's an option on the right side for HDR.

[latent mirage]

Will have to redownload it, I used it ages ago for scaling only because I had a laptop

Thanks for the info

[latent mirage]

this is somewhat cursed

[dapper mountain]

Is there a cold steel 1-2 mod?

[dapper mountain]

I couldnt see any addon on github or here so I watched Ritsu's DX11 RenoDX Guide and ended up with this

[cobalt charm]

If there is no artifact its good 👍

[dapper mountain]

The characters at equip screen looks bugged because of resource upgrade

I will test more later

[cobalt charm]

quite a lot of details were lost in SDR

[dapper mountain]

Indeed reverie corridor was the first place I wanted to check because I remember that portal looked so bad to me even when I was SDR pleb

[latent mirage]

Oh man what a difference

[dapper mountain]

@cobalt charm I was fixing some of the broken stuff like map and characters at equipment menu using saturate at the end of the shader which worked perfect but I am struggling at these letters at Rean S Craft. Found the shader that draws the letters but no matter what I do I just cant get white parts inside the letter. Do you have any leads?

[cobalt charm]

I also got this problem but its probably related to more than pixel shaders

[dapper mountain]

[dapper mountain]

I hated how incorrect the cubemaps look in this game so tried to hide them a bit

[dapper mountain]

[cobalt charm]

]

if its shader-based, feel free to let me know if I can put in the mod

[dapper mountain]

Yeah it is

I am working on ssr and some shadow filtering stuff then can send you

[woeful cipher]

Which game is that?

[dapper mountain]

Latest one Beyond the Horizon

[dapper mountain]

The PCSS shadows were quite grainy. I added some jitter to let temporal upscaler handle the dither pattern. The only downside is it looks worse if you have no temporal aa or upscaler on

[dapper mountain]

screen space shadows

Might need to check more locations to finalize the settings

[cobalt charm]

is that better ambient occlusion

[dapper mountain]

Its not a better AO but tries to do a similiar job of grounding things.
AO darkens indiscriminately to fake depth. This one uses ray marching to add micro details.

[pastel lintel]

What game is this? Looks cool

[dapper mountain]

.

[latent mirage]

somewhat unrelated but is there something that i can do with tokyo xanadu to replace/improve AA? I tried the rcas hdr shader but i did not see any difference, almost as if it didn't work

[cobalt charm]

if senpatcher can force MSAA x 4, you can try forcing SGSSAA from driver to x4

[latent mirage]

I'll check if I can do that on amd

thanks

[cobalt charm]

ah AMD has no SGSSAA so probably not

[dapper mountain]

@cobalt charm

[dapper mountain]

Now that I tested it more it might be better if you just yanked the screen space shadows inside lighting shader ngl
I found out few more issues with it and its a pain in the ass to correct them because if I just add too much restrictions to reduce the artifacts, there is barely any shadows left.

[cobalt charm]

I will integrate later, maybe I need some pointers to add toggle options

[dapper mountain]

I already made it to fine tune some stuff on my end. I can either maintain it as seperate addon or you can integrate to your own whichever fits you

https://github.com/Toru77/renodx/tree/main/src/games/kai-vanillaplus

[cobalt charm]

thanks a lot

[dapper mountain]

SSGI off / on
Game has his own SSGI but as you can see here it doesnt applies to characters

I applied game owns GI to characters here

Still need to finetune it but it looks promising

[cobalt charm]

[dapper mountain]

This game has so many jank that needs fixing, if this keeps up I am gonna be in falcom jail

[latent mirage]

Could be worse

👀

[cobalt charm]

I wonder if a lot of problems rose from using srgb encoded colors in their pipeline

the only games that I know doing AA, BLoom etc in srgb

[dapper mountain]

Pumbo's fog color correction
Off / On
🤔

[cobalt charm]

is that an fx or do you mod the fog shader

[dapper mountain]

I modded deferred lighting shader

On looks more correct to me

[pastel lintel]

What black magic is this?!

Looks much better on

[dapper mountain]

It retains the original scenes color

Yoinked from @jaunty dragon 's rendering.hlsl

[jaunty dragon]

So this is what you've been working on

I see you on VS code

I am thinking what is this fella working on

[dapper mountain]

Trying to unslop this game

Also managed to do some stuff with renderpass too

[jaunty dragon]

that looks weird, its as if the SSGI is removing AO?

[dapper mountain]

I didnt added AO based rejection by that time

It is better now

[jaunty dragon]

zamn

been cooking

[dapper mountain]

Mostly just telling stuff to AI and having it implement

[jaunty dragon]

My slop smorgasbord is leading to improvements

[dapper mountain]

Had nearly 0 coding experience before this

[jaunty dragon]

Theres plenty of online resources

combine that with clanker

and you pick up very quickly

Also learn how to use renderdoc, Nsight ect

Reno devkit helps but it also cant show everything

[dapper mountain]

What are you using them for

[jaunty dragon]

For colour stuff e.g tonemapping it is fine

to use Reno devkit

thats what it was made for

but renderdoc, nsight ect help you see buffers better

[dapper mountain]

I was just undrawing bunch of stuff in reno devkit and take whatever I need

[jaunty dragon]

some games it wont be easy since undrawing wont actually remove elements in a scene

it might just bug them out

but overal just stuff that I picked up from Miru

lets say a shader uses a specific drawcall for X element

you wont see that drawcall index in reno devkit

so lets say you want to hide only a portion of the UI

some of the stuff in rendering.hlsl requires mipmaps for instance

and you will be able to see that in renderdoc

whilst it might not be clear in reno devkit

[jaunty dragon]

Vanilla thats looks funky

Now that could be a 'artistic' intent thing

unless you know for certain they just borked the code

but since Pumbo's method is about restoring fog chrominance based on the 'pre fog scene' right looks better

You could do a 50/50 blend

to maintain a bit more of the original visionTM

Let me know if rendering.hlsl blows up becasue some of the code didnt support sm4/5 so I had to rewrite

[dapper mountain]

Sure

0 / 50 / 100

[jaunty dragon]

I'd say 50 looks better here

it blends with the skyline

0 is way too blue

[dapper mountain]

Yeah might make 50 the defaults.

[jaunty dragon]

100 does also work as light pollution

[dapper mountain]

I want to protect their "artistic sense" in a way but when I see stuff like this it just frustrates me

Like your cubemaps are horrible why you put it to my face this much?

[jaunty dragon]

oh god

wtf is that

[jaunty dragon]

@manic palm you seeing this

We growing

[manic palm]

niiice

[jaunty dragon]

@dapper mountain I am guessing the game uses SSR?

[dapper mountain]

It does

It is kinda shit tho

[jaunty dragon]

If you want you can take a look at Hi-Z roughness based mipmap SSR

I havent added it to rendering yet

its a better way of doing raymarching in SSR using hi-z buffer

[dapper mountain]

Is there a doc or something for that

[jaunty dragon]

https://sugulee.wordpress.com/2021/01/19/screen-space-reflections-implementation-and-optimization-part-2-hi-z-tracing-method/

This section goes over the hi-z specifically

[dapper mountain]

Low Volumetrics
Tricubic B-spline filtering
On / Off

@jaunty dragon

[jaunty dragon]

it werks

I dont have any games on me rn that have bad volumetrics so I havent tested Tricubic yet

but its based that it does, GoT talk came in clutch

[dapper mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

Like it has no downsides

No perf hit anything

[jaunty dragon]

It's very good

4 ALU cost

Which is nothing

When otherwise you would have to increase volumetric res

And nuke perf

You can also apply it to other techniques that need filtering

[dapper mountain]

Added fog color correction to volumetrics too.

[jaunty dragon]

Yep, stops the overly cloudy fog look

Anti soul gas removal

[dapper mountain]

[jaunty dragon]

Only now you have a slight issue

You can see the low draw distance

suffering from success

[dapper mountain]

We had this in endfield too

[jaunty dragon]

I am going to create that IS-FAST texture

then ship it to authors

If you find any shader that uses blue noise or any shader that is stochastic

You can replace or add the IS-FAST texture

and you will just have better results

[dapper mountain]

IS-FAST
straight to the point

kekw~2

[jaunty dragon]

IS FAST and gives you better convergence with less noise and artefacts

does what is says on the tin

[jaunty dragon]

@dapper mountain

EA had the resources on their github, I took it and generated for our use case

this is the uniform variant, it works for any effect. You can then optimise for specific use cases at runtime in the shader by warping per the inverse CDF I mentioned

per the paper it was

Uniform - good for everything as a base
Cosine hemisphere - SSAO
Henyey Greenstein - volumetrics

and so on

This is a 128×128×32 RG8_UNORM two channel 3D texture

Setting it up now for Endfield

[dapper mountain]

Do I use swapchain v2 to bind this?

[jaunty dragon]

No

Textures can be bind by Reshade API alone

Since you're not doing a RenderPass and adding new shader. You're just loading a texture and telling an existing shader to use it

Let me post example in a bit

Since I got it working on Endfield

Devkit won't show the texture as loading

So you will want to add some sort of debug message

[jaunty dragon]

// --- IS-FAST Noise Texture State ---
static HMODULE g_hmodule = nullptr;
static ID3D11Texture3D* g_isfast_texture = nullptr;
static ID3D11ShaderResourceView* g_isfast_srv = nullptr;
static ID3D11SamplerState* g_isfast_sampler = nullptr;
// Reshade API handles (wrapping native pointers) for push_descriptors
static reshade::api::resource_view g_isfast_reshade_srv = { 0 };
static reshade::api::sampler g_isfast_reshade_sampler = { 0 };
static bool g_isfast_bind_logged = false;

// IS-FAST noise texture: register device lifecycle events
reshade::register_eventreshade::addon_event::init_device(OnInitDevice);
reshade::register_eventreshade::addon_event::destroy_device(OnDestroyDevice);

// IS-FAST noise: bind texture at t15/s15 before shadow compositing
{
// Shadow compositing (pixel shader — uses PSSetShaderResources)
auto it = custom_shaders.find(0x61FA72DDu);
if (it != custom_shaders.end()) {
it->second.on_draw = BindISFASTNoisePixel;
}
}

reshade::unregister_eventreshade::addon_event::init_device(OnInitDevice);
reshade::unregister_eventreshade::addon_event::destroy_device(OnDestroyDevice);

So double check but all these go into addon.cpp

I will need to set up better instructions since its a bit of a mess

I was testing a bunch of things since I thought it wasnt working at first

[dapper mountain]

Thanks

[jaunty dragon]

The TLDR is that you need

• Push descriptors
• You need to tell reshade API to load the texture from X location (I just set it to the same directory as where reshade dxgi.dll is hooked from)
• Tell the addon what shader (it will be different depending on if the shader is pixel, compute or vertex) it needs to bind the texture

the .txt also has debug log info with it

so to test and see if its all working, look at reshade.log

INFO | [RenoDX] IS-FAST: Debug 1x1x1 test texture created OK
INFO | [RenoDX] IS-FAST: Loaded noise texture (128x128x32 RG8_UNORM, srv=0x7a654328)
INFO | [RenoDX] IS-FAST: BindISFASTNoiseCompute ctx=0x7ae1f128 srv_to_bind=0x7a6544a8 verify_srv=0x7a6544a8 match=YES

just ctrl + F and search for IS-FAST in the log pretty much

You dont include the texture as part of the addon

the texture has been be dropped manually into the directory of the game

(I havent figured out if we can ship it as part of the addon yet)

[dapper mountain]

Yeah I thought we were gonna add with addon at first

[jaunty dragon]

I am cleaning it up now

I will try and write a step by step instruction for other games

DX12 has a few extra steps that are needed to get it working

This also means you can now load other textures

Maybe you want a custom LUT or I figure out other rendering techniques that require a precomputed texture

For DX11 you can do native D3D11 bidning

but for DX12 or VK you will need to do Reshade API

1. Globals — g_hmodule, g_isfast_texture, g_isfast_srv, g_isfast_sampler (4 vars)

2. shared.h — Add float isfast_noise_bound; to ShaderInjectData, define ISFAST_NOISE_BOUND

3. OnInitDevice — Load fast_noise_ea.dds from DLL directory, create immutable Texture3D (R8G8_UNORM), SRV, point-wrap sampler, set isfast_noise_bound = 1.0f

4. OnDestroyDevice — Release all 3 D3D11 objects, reset isfast_noise_bound = 0.0f

5. BindISFASTNoisePixel/BindISFASTNoiseCompute — 5-line functions that call PSSetShaderResources(15, ...) or CSSetShaderResources(15, ...) via cmd_list->get_native()

6. Register — reshade::register_event<init_device>(OnInitDevice) + destroy_device, assign on_draw = BindISFASTNoise* to target shader entries

7. Shader side — Declare Texture3D<float2> isfast_noise : register(t15) + SamplerState isfast_sampler : register(s15), gate sampling behind ISFAST_NOISE_BOUND > 0.5

TLDR instructions

[jaunty dragon]

gigachad

yep, less shimmering

[jaunty dragon]

@manic palm

[dapper mountain]

Low volumetric feels like ultra with IS-FAST and tricubic applied

[jaunty dragon]

This is what optimsation should be

[dapper mountain]

nah

wobbly ssr is

[dapper mountain]

@jaunty dragon Tried it out on PCSS too

[cobalt charm]

this is so good

[dapper mountain]

It is not perfect it has kinda "lines" after using it but I doubt it is the fault of IS-FAST

PCSS did not had this behaviour on daybreak 1 and 2

Seems like durante "optimized" the filter

[jaunty dragon]

ofc

sloppy optimsation

what if you use warp CDF

so the noise is specifically optimised for shadows

Maybe Durante isnt filtering or something

So if you use Expotential Moving Average

you might be able to solve it

[jaunty dragon]

and again this is comparing white noise to IS-FAST

If a game doesnt even use white noise then the gains will be nutty

https://electronicarts.github.io/gigi/Demos/BlueNoiseAreaLights/index.html

They have this online test you can view

[jaunty dragon]

@dapper mountain

AssAss Shadows is a mid game but it has good techniques

they approximated Bent normals from screenspace rather than having to precompute them offline then ship with the game assets/ textures

[dapper mountain]

Yeah dont have issues with ubisoft on tech side lol

[jaunty dragon]

So this will give you better results that the current code I have for bent normals

the full POE2 method still works but that assumes a game has bent normals

(99% of them dont, you have to dedicated 3 extra channels to store AO info which they dont bother with)

[dapper mountain]

Thanks I will look at that too

[jaunty dragon]

@dapper mountain how does foliage, trees and other alpha based things look in-game?

Shadows has a very good stochastic alpha test system in place

which we can combine with IS-FAST

Fix up alpha shenanigans

Also useful for shadowmaps

can improve hair

[dapper mountain]

Is this for aliasing?

[jaunty dragon]

yesnt

its for improving alpha based assets

alpha is generally a PITA

which is why we started moving away from it with nanite opting for actual 3D geometry

With RT for instance, alpha is a massive perf cost

which is why OOMs were created

[dapper mountain]

I will take look at it tomorrow then

[jaunty dragon]

Crimson Desert trees for instance looked cooked

and that might be alpha shenanigans

so all the leaves just look abysmal

[dapper mountain]

I wonder if this could ff7 rebirth

[jaunty dragon]

holy shit

yes

this is what that exists for

[dapper mountain]

Too bad I have no space left on my computer and that game is like 6362236 gb

[jaunty dragon]

SE probably cooked it to shit via giga dithering

[jaunty dragon]

refer to this

but now imagine you implement stochastic alpha coverage

alongside IS-FAST

[dapper mountain]

just dither everything bro

[jaunty dragon]

all the noise in those trees would disappear

[jaunty dragon]

I am going to guess theyre using a static ordered dither like bayer

and since it doesnt modulate with TAA

its just has the same ass holes from the dither

so yh AC shadows method would solve all this slop

[dapper mountain]

We can fix it in part 3 because 100% they are not fixing shit

[little orchid]

ya'll are putting in work into these games

my mods where simple displaymappers added

nice job

[dapper mountain]

I started this as a small project but it keeps growing

[dapper mountain]

Vanilla Dof 144 Fps / Alt Dof 150 Fps

[tired stream]

insane power draw in YS9 with 2x resolution scale

[little orchid]

thats how every mod starts off

you think its going to be a quick fix

and then you find a thing you can improve

[dapper mountain]

@jaunty dragon It just works

[jaunty dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-fall-gif-18148860

@mighty olive

this is what I was talking about

IS-FAST is too good

[mighty olive]

damn

[jaunty dragon]

their alpha was really asscheeks

[latent mirage]

would all this stuff be retrocompatible for other games using the same engine?

for example Ys X, i'm looking forward to play that one

[dapper mountain]

Probably easily with all FDK titles

ys10, daybreak 1,2 and sky remakes

After I finish horizon (hopefully one day), I will port over stuff to Sky remake so it can be ready when 2nd chapter comes out

ys10 was even easier to mod, if you change shadow filtering it spawns a new lighting shader for each one

in ys10 it was all inside of one lighting shader

[dapper mountain]

@jaunty dragon You have any ideas what kind of approach I should do to fix this? I used performance dlss to demonstrate the effect. It gets better at DLAA but it still happens

[jaunty dragon]

You'll have to figure out where its coming from first

is it some sort of motion blur

or maybe the temporal jittering is wack

Could also be heavily compressed motion vectors similar to Midfield

[tired stream]

motion blur doesnt exist in falcom games

🤷‍♂️

[jaunty dragon]

rip

[tired stream]

YS8 is buggy above 60

[jaunty dragon]

if its MV based you can try this

// Catmull-Rom 4x4 interpolation for history color (16 taps, reduces wobble/ghosting)
float2 texelPos = r2.xy * cb0[82].xy - 0.5;
float2 f = frac(texelPos);
float2 base = (floor(texelPos) + 0.5) * cb0[82].zw;

// Catmull-Rom weights
float2 f2 = f * f;
float2 f3 = f2 * f;
float4 wx = float4(
    -0.5*f3.x +      f2.x - 0.5*f.x,
     1.5*f3.x - 2.5*f2.x + 1.0,
    -1.5*f3.x + 2.0*f2.x + 0.5*f.x,
     0.5*f3.x - 0.5*f2.x
);
float4 wy = float4(
    -0.5*f3.y +      f2.y - 0.5*f.y,
     1.5*f3.y - 2.5*f2.y + 1.0,
    -1.5*f3.y + 2.0*f2.y + 0.5*f.y,
     0.5*f3.y - 0.5*f2.y
);

float2 txsz = cb0[82].zw;

// Sample 4x4 grid
float3 c00 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2(-1.0, -1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c10 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 0.0, -1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c20 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 1.0, -1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c30 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 2.0, -1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;

float3 c01 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2(-1.0,  0.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c11 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base, 0).xyz;
float3 c21 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 1.0,  0.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c31 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 2.0,  0.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;

float3 c02 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2(-1.0,  1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c12 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 0.0,  1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c22 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 1.0,  1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c32 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 2.0,  1.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;

float3 c03 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2(-1.0,  2.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c13 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 0.0,  2.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c23 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 1.0,  2.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;
float3 c33 = t3.SampleLevel(s0_s, base + float2( 2.0,  2.0) * txsz, 0).xyz;

// Combine rows with x weights, then columns with y weights
float3 col0 = c00*wx.x + c10*wx.y + c20*wx.z + c30*wx.w;
float3 col1 = c01*wx.x + c11*wx.y + c21*wx.z + c31*wx.w;
float3 col2 = c02*wx.x + c12*wx.y + c22*wx.z + c32*wx.w;
float3 col3 = c03*wx.x + c13*wx.y + c23*wx.z + c33*wx.w;

r2.xyz = col0*wy.x + col1*wy.y + col2*wy.z + col3*wy.w;

[tired stream]

60fps without MB

looks super juddery to my eyes

[jaunty dragon]

in the vid only some parts of the scene have that juddery wobble like the player character and the glass on the right

but then the NPC doesnt

so it might be some issue with skinned meshes

Pumbo and Luma bois might know more

[dapper mountain]

Funny thing is they have motion blur option at menus but I couldnt see any difference whetever its on or off

[dapper mountain]

Time to dig deeper then

[tired stream]

was it added in Beyond the Horizon ?

[dapper mountain]

All daybreak titles had it

[tired stream]

daybreak = kuro no kiseki right ?

i actually dont know the english name of those games

[dapper mountain]

yes kuro

[tired stream]

hmm

proud nordics doesnt have that option

maybe its only applied in turn based combat ?

[dapper mountain]

Honestly I ran with it on for most of the game and I didnt realize it

[tired stream]

Honestly in japanese games i only find fromsoftware motion blur looks good

either no mb or just bad mb

[loud loom]

@cobalt charmminor thing, but in zero/azure there's some negative colors appearing every once in a while

top of the screen here, also in the quest reporting ui in the background

[cobalt charm]

I think its related to tonemapping, hopefully this fixes it

[loud loom]

seems fixed, very nice

[dire bison]

@cobalt charm I just finished db2 , would you perhaps have one for horizon as well , idk is horizon better when it comes to hdr ?

[cobalt charm]

The kuro addon should work for horizon

@dapper mountain is developing a rendering improvement mod

[dire bison]

I tried a mod called vanilla plus improved graphics but it keeps crashing when I use it together with optiscaler with fsr4 file

It works with fsr3 directx11 but when I switch to fsr3 dx12 it crashes

[dapper mountain]

yeah thats mine

Idk what could be causing it

I can test with int8 FSR4

[cobalt charm]

I don't know that Horizon has a dx12 mode

[dapper mountain]

Its an opti feature

It just uses dx12 for the upscaler

[dire bison]

Im using an amd gpu with an intel cpu, enabled it to use dlss options ingame, set it to dlss 4.5 well tbh doesnt matter , it seems like switching the upscaler to dx12 ver it crashes but all dx11 upscalers work up to fsr3

But I really want to use fsr4 which is only done by dx12

[dapper mountain]

Yeah I just crashed using

I think I have an idea whats might be the problem

[dire bison]

If you manage to make it work your god send

🙏

[dire bison]

Can you link it please ?

Should I use the same parameters as daybreak 2 ?

[dapper mountain]

He means use the same addon for horizon too. If you deleted it, it is in the pins

[dire bison]

Damn i deleted it

Its not in the pins I think ?

[dapper mountain]

https://danaforever.github.io/renodx/renodx-kurokiseki.addon64

[dire bison]

Thanks , if you manage to make the addon work pls ping me here!

@cobalt charm I see theres been some changes since then , theres psycho and hermit is hermite now ?

With less options ?

[cobalt charm]

I just cleaned up, psycho is the state of the art.

[dire bison]

Not sure if I should put 460 or 1000 for peak brightness

[cobalt charm]

Ah Oled dilemma

460 with 100 paper white Imo

[dire bison]

Im using oled true black hdr

[cobalt charm]

I used 100 on my laptop (oled 550 peak) not bad at all

[dire bison]

So smth like that ?

[cobalt charm]

Game brightness 100

If the UI is too dim you can increase the in game slider

[dire bison]

Oh yeah its so much better

Feels a little dark tho

I think iwas playing at 140 or 130 on db2

[cobalt charm]

You can remove gamma correction if its too dark

PsychoV has some contrast boost

[dire bison]

The game itself is good but when I go to the menus I feel its a little too dark and I have the ui slider already at max

At 100 paper

Hmm I'll leave it at 120 game brightness and 51 saturation

Which mode do you think horizon is hdr true black or peak 1000 , my monitor can switch to both

[dapper mountain]

@dire bison The problem was IS-FAST so I removed it until I can fix the problem

I will try making a proper fix but you can use that in meantime

[dire bison]

Thanks!!

[dire bison]

This addon also increases fps right ? Horizon is actually heavier than db2

[dapper mountain]

Improved SSR decreases slightly because of increased step counts.
Custom DOF is faster than vanilla so in places with DOF you should get higher fps.
Tricubic filtering and IS-FAST makes low resolution volumetric fog look better so with lower fog options it should look better.
Rest of the stuff doesnt affects performance much.

[dapper mountain]

.

[dapper mountain]

.

[dire bison]

What do ypu mean by lower fog options

[dapper mountain]

The game has settings for volumetrics. Turning the option to low makes them low resolution but increases performance.

I made improvements to fog so low option doesnt looks so bad

[dire bison]

Wait i thought the new fog option ingame doesnt affect performance cuz it didnt mention it in the description

[dapper mountain]

Techincally it doesnt

[dire bison]

But the one that super tanks performance is the detail level on the ground , grass,pebbles etc

[dapper mountain]

But with those enabled, you can select lower vol fog options and it can still looks decent

[dire bison]

Oh you meant volumetric lighting

[dapper mountain]

Yes

[dire bison]

Yeah I have it on default cuz I literally see no difference

[dapper mountain]

Yeah in most scenes there is no big change

Okay I completed the fix will be uploading this to nexus too. Thanks for feedback

[dire bison]

Thats was fast ! Thanks for updating

Can I use this addon together with renodx ?

[dapper mountain]

Yes I am using with renodx too

[dire bison]

Neaat

[dapper mountain]

Didnt touch any shaders HDR mod is modifying since they are not needed for improving rendering

@jaunty dragon Just a heads up if you will be using IS-FAST on a DX11 title. It will crash with FSR 4 w DX12 using optiscaler. You gotta think about DX12 too.

[jaunty dragon]

AyyyMD memes

[tired stream]

AMD always fail

[jaunty dragon]

Have too much cbuffers = FSR4 fails

Import a custom textures and bind SRVs = FSR 4 fails

[dapper mountain]

I think the problem in this case was having to use FSR4 w DX12 because AMD couldnt be bothered to release for other apis

[tired stream]

i think some mods dont even work on amd

[dapper mountain]

Eternal meme

💀

[dire bison]

AMD Wooooooooooooooo!

[jaunty dragon]

Pumbo explained this, FSR needs a trillion inputs going into it and still looks dogshit or doesnt work

DLSS, you give it some duct tape and a can

Doesnt complain and just worksTM

Jensen AI too superior

[dapper mountain]

I also heard 11bit upgrades dont work in ayyymd either

[jaunty dragon]

yes

Musa started doing r9g9b9e5 ugrades instead

Which, every bloody vendor should start supporting r9g9b9e5

it looks better than 11bit

and runs better than 16bit

[manic palm]

ah....
rip

[jaunty dragon]

You already know this page about to drop some heat

abysmal contrast
90s web design

[dapper mountain]

I literally cannot read blue text

kekw~3

[jaunty dragon]

[dapper mountain]

Forge reading wrong papers

[jaunty dragon]

There was this

Insane how you can use displacement to achieve this

from a 2d texture

[dapper mountain]

What is this, tesellation on steroids?

[jaunty dragon]

Its not using tesellation

Tessellation free displacement

https://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/boubek/papers/TFDM/

Requires messing with BVH so above my skill level

You will need engine side CPU changes

[dapper mountain]

Way out of our scope then

[jaunty dragon]

Why are we even using nanite

apparently RTX mega geo is meant to supercedes this

[dapper mountain]

Stronk

[jaunty dragon]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2603.05758

We generate ICARUS env map then replace any existing ones in game

Giving us improved IBL lighting

[dapper mountain]

Is this better than what you used before?

[jaunty dragon]

current code examples work with any game

above is more work

this requires generating custom env map

and replacing the vanilla one

it uses some neural special sauce at runtime but we can avoid that

[jaunty dragon]

What's up here

Alpha windows?

Or is it a roughness texture

[dapper mountain]

Alpha windows and cubemap

[jaunty dragon]

So it's the same goofy shimmer as with the chain link fences?

[dapper mountain]

Nah I just hate how it looks. Its looks foggy and cubemap visibility is too high.

[dapper mountain]

@jaunty dragon Do I need compute shaders to implement XeGTAO?

[tired stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165308683090137160/1408781374076489768/Plasma_WRONG_INCORRECT.gif

[jaunty dragon]

yes

xeGTAO needs 4 passes

the main pass

temporal element

denoise

prefilter

[dapper mountain]

The game uses multiple passes for HBAO+ but it does in pixel shaders

It might be joever then

[jaunty dragon]

I guess you could cope out a pixel shader version but the whole reason why it uses compute shaders is becasue is faster + better visuals

[dapper mountain]

I am doing that right now

I wonder what kind of abomination is gonna bring out

[jaunty dragon]

maybe not the full xegtao

but you could try gtao

just Renderp Ass your own xegtao

[dapper mountain]

With renderpass can I do it with compute shaders?

[jaunty dragon]

yh

renderpass works with compute

you can dispatch compute, pixel or vertex

[dapper mountain]

Alright i will give it a try

[dapper mountain]

Vanilla HBAO+ vs XeGTAO (WIP)

[latent mirage]

man that's pretty cool

Do you have something like a roadmap of other stuff you want to fix?

[dapper mountain]

I just play the game and try to fix whatever annoys me

But for Sky remake I have some stuff in mind. Basically everything in horizon + adding shadow filter options + maybe porting Horizon's SSGI to Sky

[dapper mountain]

[jaunty dragon]

Time to set up local model

[dapper mountain]

There are still problems I need to fix too. When XeGTAO is enabled bloom and vol fog doesnt work. And has lines like this. Fiddling sliders dont help so it must be a problem in implementation I am guessing. Anyways gonna continue tomorrow.

[dapper mountain]

Adding XeGTAO might be cooked ngl

[jaunty dragon]

Skill issue

Renderp ass it

[dapper mountain]

I am doing it but ordering s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶ clanker blindly kinda seems endless. This is what clanker said about the problem

XeGTAO dispatch runs during AO/draw-time renderpass flow (same frame as lighting).
Result: low AO latency if it works.
Tradeoff: compute work inside active renderpass path can disturb graphics state/resource bindings, which can break fog/bloom/volumetrics in this game path.

XeGTAO compute dispatch runs in the present callback at end of frame, on queue immediate command list.
In code: OnPresentAdvanceFrame
Result: very stable for fog/bloom because it is outside risky draw/renderpass timing.
Tradeoff: AO is usually one frame late (visible lag), because dispatch happens after most current-frame lighting decisions.

[ivory brook]

This looks great. Makes it look similar to how the prerendered scenes look

Just wondering I seen in the latest update they mention something about fixing peak luminance slider will that mess with anything for the Reno mod?

[ivory brook]

@dapper mountain I am unable to load both Reno and your graphics addon at the same time game crashes instantly. I can only load one or the other.

[dapper mountain]

Thats weird because I made that with Reno on

Can you send reshade log

[dapper mountain]

Oh I was on the previous version of the mod

It crashes on the new one

@cobalt charm What did you add on the new version

@ivory brook You can use the previous version of renodx if you want to use both. I will try to look at compability with the new version but I am going to sleep soon so I cant work on it today

[dire bison]

Should i update the mod yet?

I know you gave me the one that works with fsr4

[ivory brook]

the mod is fine just need to use the older version of reno that Toru just posted

[cobalt charm]

I only sync with renodx core from upstream, let me see

[dire bison]

Im talking about this one, idk what else happened xD

[cobalt charm]

I copied your source code and recompiled it, and it is good

[dapper mountain]

That is the latest one for now. I didnt pushed a new patch yet

[dapper mountain]

I crash with this version of your renodx mod even without my mod installed 🤔

Let me remove other addons just to isolate the problem

Devkit was causing it

frenzy

What in the salad is going on here

[cobalt charm]

I think, your base renodx code needs to be synchronized with upstream

[dapper mountain]

I tried downloading latest snapshot of devkit just to check and it still crashes with HDR mod + devkit alone 🤔

[cobalt charm]

oh crap

maybe its me who needs a rebase

[dapper mountain]

[cobalt charm]

I refactored, can you help me check if it crashes on your side?

[dapper mountain]

It works fine 👍

[dapper mountain]

HBAO+ vs XeGTAO

I am planning to upload it today

[dapper mountain]

@cobalt charm Minimap and map is broken in your latest version
Vanilla vs RenoDX HDR

I thought I broke it and was gonna go crazy

[cobalt charm]

lololol

[cobalt charm]

should be good now, I am going to update my repo after rebasing

can't wait for the new ambient occlusion

[dapper mountain]

Yes its good thanks

[dapper mountain]

Vanilla HBAO+ vs XeGTAO

Uploading to nexus aswell

[dire bison]

Hbao is costly, how much fps does it take ?

[dapper mountain]

117 FPS SSAO (Local shadowing default)
108 FPS HBAO+ (Local shadowing ultra it also increases the resolution of character shadows)
105 FPS XeGTAO ( High quality in Reshade)
101 FPS XeGTAO ( Very high quality in Reshade)
99 FPS XeGTAO ( Ultra quality in Reshade)

XeGTAO had low and medium quality too but I removed them because noise made it unuseable

Now that I realised using ingame high setting doesnt work with XeGTAO gotta fix this

[dire bison]

What do you mean by the different qualities in Reshade? How do i set it to Ultra or High etc?

And if i have HBAO+ enabled do i need to have local shadowing set to ultra for it to work?

[dire bison]

Damn thats a big visual difference, i wonder what i prefer hmmmm thats a hard one

[dapper mountain]

In reshade there is a tab for controlling mods settings

XeGTAO itself has quality settings there

[dire bison]

Ahhh okay i know i know , gotcha

[dapper mountain]

Normally mod supported high and ultra local shadowing settings for screen space shadows to work correctly.

High is hbao+

Ultra hbao+ but full resolution

XeGTAO replaces HBAO+ but it is broken at high local shadowing because I forgot to check it

I am fixing that right now

[dire bison]

So by default if i have High or ultra local shadows im using HBAO+ , correct?

[dapper mountain]

Yes

Default is falcoms SSAO

[dire bison]

is XeGTAO superior tech comapred to HBAO+ ?

Ah wait XeGTAO works together with HBAO+ its not like one of them replaces one another

[dapper mountain]

No it doesnt run together

I skip HBAO+ when XeGTAO is selected

[tired stream]

no

[dapper mountain]

XeGTAO is superior yes

[dire bison]

Then why does it matter if it works or not if high settings local shadows are enabled? Can't you just switch it to ultra just to override XeGTAO activation, you know what i mean ?

[tired stream]

Neither of them is physically correct

[dapper mountain]

I am using the info from HBAO+ to feed into XeGTAO

[dapper mountain]

That is true

It is screen space technique at the end of the day

[dire bison]

Ahh okay, normally if you have high local shadows enabled XeGTAO would active and override HBAO+ but in this case HBAO+ and XeGTAO is not working when set to high ingame?

[ivory brook]

XeGTAO should give better performance

[tired stream]

which one looks objectively better depends how they are configured

also depends on how the baked lighting is done, in spiderman or ghost of tsushima, ssao looks better than both, they both looks pretty wrong in those games

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165308683090137160/1408781374076489768/Plasma_WRONG_INCORRECT.gif

[dapper mountain]

Doubt falcom even uses baked lighting

frenzy

[tired stream]

they definitely use lightmaps

unless you mean probe based gi

then i dont think there is either

[dire bison]

Unrelated/random question, is that other Horizon mod that changes the difficulty good ?

[dapper mountain]

Yeah meant this

[dapper mountain]

Never tried it

I doubt they would implement SSGI if they used probe based gi 🤔

[tired stream]

theres no dynamic time of day

actually barely any dynamic lights in their games

[dapper mountain]

They barely cast shadows too

[tired stream]

so real time gi barely matters

[tired stream]

but...the highest shadow settings on pc is super demanding

[dire bison]

day and knight cycle would be crazy but then Falcom would be in shambles trying to formulate the quests based on day and night and what day it is xd

[dapper mountain]

Yeah day and time cycle doesnt fit their gameplay loop too I doubt they would try it unless they want to change it at next arc

[dire bison]

Btw for now the mod works if i have Local shadows at ultra right?

Ill try and play a little with ultra

[dapper mountain]

I remember in daybreak 2 durante implemented something called shadow caching it would improve performance drastically. I dont see it in horizon but it must be enabled by default. No reason to not use it

[dapper mountain]

Yes

You can try to switch to high and see what happens

Not pretty

[tired stream]

shadow caching should increase vram usage

but its not an issue for their games anyway

[dire bison]

If i wanna test/see/compare XeGTAO, do i leave local shadows at ultra and just enable XeGTAO from the mod settings?

[dapper mountain]

Yeah it was around 200 mb in db2

[dapper mountain]

Yes

[dire bison]

Okie wheres the broken file

[dire bison]

this it?

[dapper mountain]

Its on nexus

yeah

or that too

[tired stream]

i think Falcom games generally look worse since the ps4 era

[dire bison]

I get this lines when XeGTAO is enabled

disabled

[dapper mountain]

Is precision r32?

I thought I set that default to r32

Change to intermediate settings and check

[dire bison]

where is that

[dapper mountain]

there is a slider at top

[dire bison]

Im in the intermediate settings but theres a lot of stuff

[dapper mountain]

it says basic

At the top

Under XeGTAO options

[dapper mountain]

here

what the hell its set to r32 in yours too

[dapper mountain]

Where is this place

[dire bison]

Its uh

🤣

[dapper mountain]

Is this AyyyMD moment again
@jaunty dragon

[tired stream]

AMD always fail

[dapper mountain]

I tried FSR4 since you used it but I still dont have those

[dire bison]

Wait, no way AMD's fault 🤣

[tired stream]

no we are serious

[dapper mountain]

Can you change depth precision to 16 and back to 32

[tired stream]

AMD gpus have issue with some mods

[dire bison]

the lines on the wall btw rotate based on how i move my caemra around

[dapper mountain]

Because I get these lines only if precision is 16

But it fixes on 32

R16 vs R32

[dire bison]

Nope

[dapper mountain]

doomerWojak

I'll look at that too. Play with off in meantime

[dire bison]

Umm personally ill probably play without XeGTAO cuz it tansk my fps, but it looks so much better than ultra HBAO+,

[dapper mountain]

How much you need FPS? Arent you on RDNA4? Game should run pretty good for you

[dire bison]

XeGTAO high vs HBAO+ ultra local shadows

I am at 77-80fps with XeGTAO and 86 fps with ultra HBAO+, ill also switch to high HBAO+ when it workks

i prefer to play trails around 90fps but its ok

[tired stream]

are you playing at 4k with a 9060xt ?

dont remember those game being this demanding

[dire bison]

nooo i am 2K and i have 7800XT

[dapper mountain]

Ohhh

that is why

[tired stream]

ah ok

[dapper mountain]

FSR 4 int8 slower

[tired stream]

int8 fsr4 is a lot slower

[dire bison]

and 13600K :C

[tired stream]

that doesnt matter

[dapper mountain]

Cpu shouldnt matter

[tired stream]

13600k isnt a slow cpu

9060xt with real fsr4 might be faster ngl

[dapper mountain]

Yeah

[dire bison]

Oh yeah high local shadows is breaking xegtao

Wait so the lines are because of int8 fsr?

[ivory brook]

I prefer the look of Sky Remake and the new Xanadu game

[dapper mountain]

Sky Remake suprisingly casts more real shadows from light sources too

I saw lamp and fireplace cast multiple shadows in the same scene

I cried

[tired stream]

well tbh

ive only played YS games

[dire bison]

Holy shit, Ultra HBAO+ 88 fps, High HBAO+ 97 FPS, XeGTAO 82 fps

[tired stream]

i think the old ones look better

[dire bison]

High HBAO+ ftw

I know the right option makes some lighting scenes black but what is the left one ?

[dapper mountain]

I dont use FSR4 so idk

joeshrug

Ask opti discord

[tired stream]

FSR4 int8 on nvidia is slow af

none hardware accelerate

[dapper mountain]

Ok I fixed half res (High local shadow) to work with XeGTAO but it looks so ass

It uses internal resolution and half res

I am on %75 so internal 1080p

then halves it 540p

It is so noisy

[ivory brook]

I should be fine if I'm using ultra local shadows right?

[dapper mountain]

Yes

[dapper mountain]

I might try to "fix" half res XeGTAO by hooking up IS-FAST or something but that is for another day

[dapper mountain]

@jaunty dragon I realized foliage in shadow gets too much dark with XeGTAO. Do I need to somehow target grass to fix this?

[jaunty dragon]

so

this is an inherant issue with grass and AO

you can do two things

1. Dont apply scene AO but instead have foliage have its own baked AO

2. split AO into one for scene and the other for foliage only

[loud loom]

@cobalt charm any reason you haven't done cold steel 1 & 2?

[cobalt charm]

They are 32 bit games, I made some initial works that unlocked hdr but crashed the games after a while.

I think @dapper mountain tried as well.

[dapper mountain]

Yes I had the same problem with crashing

I thought I did something wrong 😅

Is this known behaviour for 32 bit games?

[loud loom]

ah

[loud loom]

perhaps memory limits? should check if the exe is already large address aware

[dapper mountain]

apparently yes

[loud loom]

right

still might be memory limits, I guess. just not easily solvable

[dapper mountain]

[tired root]

Ys X Proud Nordics mod doesn't work on Asian version

then again the Asian port is DX12 for some reason, so that probably explains it

[tired stream]

ya asian versions of falcom gsmes always use different shaders

so basically none of the mods work

[tired root]

Trail in the Sky works luckily

[tired stream]

that game isnt ported by ph3

[tired root]

except the vibrancy slider is always 0 upon loading the game and has to be adjust, or idk if it's the same for western version

[dapper mountain]

Asian and global version is unified for sky remake iirc

[tired stream]

not the same probably

PH3 did a lot of extra work when porting those games

So maybe its actually the western release being different

[tired root]

yeah YsX PH3 port has loads of bells and whistles according to PCGW

asian port is just, here, use DLSS/FSR/XeSS and call it a day lol

BUT asian port being DX12 allows me to enable framegen w/ optiscaler, which probably beats all the features brought by PH3💀

[dapper mountain]

Idk how is ysX port but I played Horizon with CLE's port and draw distances made me crazy

[tired stream]

Ya their ports basically have no improvement over console versions (which are the vanilla faclcom verions)

[dire bison]

cs 1 and 2 look like ass, why would you want hdr on it

[dapper mountain]

I disagree

Everything is better with HDR

joeshrug

[dire bison]

How is trails going to look with dlss5

[dapper mountain]

frenzy

[woeful cipher]

Deep Learning Super Slopping.

[dapper mountain]

Funny thing is this AI image is on the "better" side

I have seen more cursed shit thats for sure

[hot rock]

That's just Floridan Estelle (Festelle)

[latent mirage]

That's probably dx11 proxied though

Which is part of the reason why Asian ports run worse

[tired root]

yeah, DX11 and DX12 subfolders in the shader folder

but again with optiFG it doesn't matter lol

[latent mirage]

I mean I'd rather play an optimized port than a badly optimized game with fg

lol

[dapper mountain]

@dire bison

Fix thick XeGTAO on foliage
Half res XeGTAO ( high local shadowing) is useable. Slightly higher noise and less accurate AO but faster to run
Potential AMD Fix

Can you test this?

[dire bison]

Sure

What's AO?

[dapper mountain]

Ambient occlusion

[dire bison]

Alright give me couple minutes and I'll see . What do you want me to test ,the amd thing only ?

[dapper mountain]

Yes if you see those lines

[dire bison]

Okay

I just saw this

[dire bison]

HBAO+ left, XeGTAO right

[dapper mountain]

Okay it fixed

[dire bison]

HBAO left, XeGTAO right

on XeGTAO high the white on the table has so much noise

but i see it reduces when i put it on ultra XeGTAO

[dapper mountain]

I tried improving the denoising but I couldnt do it. The resolution is too low in high

[dire bison]

I see

performance is so much better on xegtao now

i might play like that if it doesnt get too bad in forest areas

the difference between HBAO+ on ultra local shadows vs XeGTAO on ultra is 84.5fps vs 75.4fps

Btw i recommend everyone to put Shadow resolution to very high

the difference is almost none and it boosts the fps so much

71.4 vs 75.4 fps having it very high vs ultra

thats a whole ass 4.5 fps

for absolute no reason

[dapper mountain]

Yeah I am using it at very high too

[dire bison]

sometimes i dont know if i wanna use PCSS or Default just to get free 11 fps out of it

[dapper mountain]

Some features of mod breaks at default fyi

because it spawns a new variant of lighting shader

It supports only soft and pcss

[dire bison]

Oh wait, XeGTAO only works with PCSS nvm

[dapper mountain]

wait rly?

[dire bison]

ah you said soft too? Let me see

[dapper mountain]

yes it should work with soft too

[dire bison]

Yep works with soft and pcss

hmm soft is ew, its like playing without shadows xD

[dapper mountain]

uh yeah it doesnt work with soft too

wait lemme patch that

I always play with PCSS so I forget to check soft shadows too

[dire bison]

XeGTAO works with soft i just saw it

when i had the shadow on default and tried to on/off XeGTAO i saw no difference thats why i said it doesn't work

Im also going to try it with the new INT8 4.0.2 file

[dapper mountain]

You did? Because I am trying on my end and I cannot see XeGTAO with soft shadows

[dire bison]

yeah

I mean some shadows are removed from the walls

but i thought thats because its soft's feature

[dapper mountain]

No soft shouldnt remove shadows. Its just applying soft filtering.

[dire bison]

oh then smths wrong

let me see again

left is pcss and right is soft with xeGTAO

Soft vs pcss

[dapper mountain]

ok this fixes it

[dire bison]

Question, i installed a new optiscaler version but i can't open reshade again, which file do i rename again?

I forgot how i did it before

[dapper mountain]

I am using winmm.dll for opti
dxgi.dll for reshade

why nexus didnt like it NOOO~1

[dire bison]

so i install optiscaler with a different dll name and then i install reshade and it makes it dxgi?

[dapper mountain]

ye

[jaunty dragon]

clang?

Nexooooooos doesnt like clang

have to use ninja or MS

[dapper mountain]

It didnt liked 7zip

But they it says they want the file to be 7zip or zip

Then I uploaded as zip and it accepted it

[dire bison]

new optiscaler UI and new INT8 ver

[dapper mountain]

3ms upscaling oof

[dire bison]

is thatgood?

[dapper mountain]

I mean no but there is nothing you can do about it

fsr4 slower on rdna2 3

[dire bison]

Btw is there a way when you open optiscaler menu and when you move your camera the ingame camera also woudnt move?

[dapper mountain]

use arrow keys and enter to navigate optiscaler

[dire bison]

I noticed something weird

with the sky

[dapper mountain]

🤔

It does it on trion tower only

I will check it

[dire bison]

I thought it was INT8 stuff

btw this stuff, i dont see anydifference, but it increases the fps by 1

[dapper mountain]

I dont know any of that stuff so cant say anything

[dire bison]

Does it really do it only in Trion tower for you as well?

[dapper mountain]

Yes

[dire bison]

i dont have many locations to check

[dapper mountain]

I checked few other locations and it was only there

But it didnt appear that vanilla and closing volumetric fog fixes it so I know something is wrong in my volumetric fog shader

[dire bison]

@dapper mountain XeGTAO works now with high local shadows right?

[dapper mountain]

yes

[dire bison]

the difference between high and ultra when XeGTAO is enabled is insane

[dapper mountain]

Whats your resolution

[dire bison]

1440p

[dapper mountain]

internal resolution?

[dire bison]

wdym

[dapper mountain]

What upscaling setting you are using

like %

[dire bison]

100%

[dapper mountain]

Okay yeah when its at high XeGTAO is 720p

Thats why its massive

[dire bison]

I wonder if its worth having XeGTAO with high local, or HBAO+ with high local

i want high local no matter what'

[dapper mountain]

I can try making a custom %75 res option but it might be pain in the ass

I will look into it after I fix volumetrics

[dire bison]

Take your time

[pastel lintel]

Why does psycho tone mapper change the look based on peak brightness?

Like it gets more contrasty the higher it is

[manic palm]

assume that's a cone contrast thing

[pastel lintel]

Im trying in trails in the sky btw

Vanilla tonemapper doesn’t increase contrast with peak but looks like crap in comparison

Trails in the sky link is broken

Ahhhhh I see. It’s HDR bloom blending and PsychoV what’s causing the contrast ramp

Falcom bloom and Psycho looks good

Still not sure if I’m using the right addon tbh. I downloaded with RDXC

[pastel lintel]

Found this. Is this latest? It´s has way more tonemappers than the "falcomengine" one I was using

[cobalt charm]

falcomengine is the latest

with PsychoV there is no need to use other tonemappers

[pastel lintel]

It was giving me this contrast ramp with the peak tho

I use 2468

It looked very wrong

With hermite or DICE it looks correct again at the same peak

[cobalt charm]

interesting, I didn't know about that, let me readd at least 2 more options

[pastel lintel]

Yeah I wouldn´t know what causes it exactly. I can send you screenshots when I try this build

It´s only when using HDR bloom blend

(I think)

[cobalt charm]

can you check if this PsychoV build still over contrasts the scene with high peak?

[dire bison]

@cobalt charm actually thats true ididnt notice , as i increase the peakbrightness so does the contrast increase as well, i dont know if thats intended

left is 1000, right is 460

[dapper mountain]

@dire bison Fixes the issue in sky

[dire bison]

Oh great, i was just doing quests in Trion, lemme see

[dire bison]

yup no more weird sky lines , ty!

[cobalt charm]

I removed the contrast boost that depends on peak

[dire bison]

my file name is kurokiseki engine

Beyond the Horizon

Btw @dapper mountain what kind of change does the screen space reflections do ?

is it the reflections on the water?

[dapper mountain]

Yes it is just increasing ray count nothing too radical

[dire bison]

I just noticed that it uses a ton of fps at ultra, i just had my camera looking at some grass and trees and when i was setting it to ultra - default i got 10 fps out of it with 0 visual changes

Also Detail density is insane, like INSANE, that thing eats fps like its nothing in forest areas, i have it on low xD

[dapper mountain]

I am using detail draw distance very high and medium detail density

I hate pop in so much so

And medium detail density is dense enough

[dire bison]

out of all distance settings, none of them really gave me even 1 fps

[cobalt charm]

kuro and sora are merged into one

[dire bison]

Oh theres a ui brightness slider too now , nice!

smth weird just happened, when i open the minimap, everythings gone o.0'

HUH

WHY?!

[cobalt charm]

something is very wrong

[dapper mountain]

Wait didnt you fixed that

[dire bison]

thankfully i backuped the previous addon engine

[cobalt charm]

sorry I stashed the fix

[dire bison]

that was fast, wth xD

Minimap'

is back

and the contrast increasing with peak brightness is gone too! Ty @cobalt charm

quick question, did the eyes of the characters always had a shine ?

[cobalt charm]

hmm this could be the side effect of "HDR blending"

[dire bison]

I feel like theres smth wrong, the highlights are too bright i think

yeah switched back to the previous addon file with the "contrast as peak increases" and it doesnt have that eye shine and some yellow flowers are not super bright

[dire bison]

also just to mention, this new file only has Physcho, the other tonemappers are gone, vanilla and physcho is present, just wanna mention that, not that im gonna use them

the screenshot with the yellow flower on the bottom right corner is the falcome engine file and the other screenshot is the previous one i was using

@cobalt charm Do i need to do smth about hdr blending on my end?

tho even with the old addon file compared to vanilla, the flowers do shine more than they need to i think?

out of curiosity i just booted the game with HDR disabled ingame and monitor and i deleted the addonfile so it woudnt enable the hdr, is the game THIS bright at SDR?!!?!? holy shit

[tired stream]

kuro is daybreak no ?

[dire bison]

Daybreak 1 and 2 is kuro 1 and 2 , idk how the named Beyond the Horizon in Japanese

[cobalt charm]

ed93 or kuro3

[dapper mountain]

Its kai

joeshrug

[dire bison]

is this

[cobalt charm]

bloom is too strong

[dire bison]

I tried lowering Bloom color correct but its not that

[cobalt charm]

I am too lazy to implement a tonemapper (an actual one that lowers the average brightness, like Reinhard) or bloom strength

I think in other sections it won't be that significant

like it was with Kuro 1/2

[dire bison]

Isn't the eye glint going to remain forever tho?

I mean its fine i can just use the previous addon file, i gotten used to it

[tired stream]

i was the opposite, didnt know the english names

[dire bison]

wait i never seen this happen LOL, look at ALL the benches and look at the little girl

when you view the benches from the front they get cursed and when you view them from the back they are perfectly normal

why do i always find the weirdest things

[dapper mountain]

There are bunch of lights hanging out of thin air since the first game too

[dire bison]

@dapper mountain in this location are this walls and wooden pillars supposed to have those lines?I dont know if thats the design or smth else

[dapper mountain]

I think yes but not sure

[pastel lintel]

Sure! I will in a bit. I went to sleep last night

[pastel lintel]

I guess I’ll use this one since it seems the latest

[dapper mountain]

Found a new disgusting bug. Somehow enabling XeGTAO hard griefs volumetrics and causes extreme ghosting

This shits never ending

[cobalt charm]

[pastel lintel]

This works!

So there´s no difference between this and hermite splite tonemapper? Like Psycho is better in every way?

Also bloom blending in HDR tends to get rid of lightshafts it seems

Looks pretty great overall tho

[dire bison]

that video is not playing for me for some reason

[dapper mountain]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dapper mountain]

Bloom Color Correction 100 / 0

@cobalt charm Color correction causes a rainbow like effect? I dont know how to describe it

[cobalt charm]

thats bad, I wonder how MB can cause such isseu

[dapper mountain]

I put it at 100 to show the effect but it still happens at default 75 value

[deep jewel]

do i have to turn on in game hdr for Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter renodx to work?

[dapper mountain]

yes

[deep jewel]

what preset of dlss is recommended?

i saw in pins that L and M dont work

[tired root]

now that I think of it, this game might be better with J

[dire bison]

J ?

[manic palm]

you doing max(x, 0) after your MB stuff?

[pastel lintel]

Im setting it up now and I guess if M and L clip to SDR K is the way to go

I wonder why it clips with M and L tho

Yeah M still clips

[cobalt charm]

Could you provide me with a save file for this specific area?

artifacts

[dapper mountain]

If you tick this HDR button M and L doesnt clip

[dapper mountain]

Yeah sure

@cobalt charm

[dapper mountain]

Porting over stuff to Sky slowly

[pastel lintel]

OHHHHHHHHH. Thanks!!

Dunno if this game even needs M with the perf cost tho tbh

But I’ll try it

[cobalt charm]

I think I fixed the ugly bloom with HDR blending

[cobalt charm]

Could you try this build, maybe the bloom is reasonable now

[dapper mountain]

Yeah it looks good now ty

@jaunty dragon Do you have any ssgi in your bag? Sky remake I am working on doesnt have it. I can port Horizon's maybe but I wanted to ask you first.

[jaunty dragon]

The GoT functions

they have sun bounced lighting and SSGI