Red Dead Redemption 2

[lime lintel]

Eternal was the perfect balance, one of my favorite FPS of all time

Metal Eden has the same mechanics of Eternal, try it out @sweet night

[sweet night]

Yeah, I've seen that. Probs down the road.

BF6 in two days, it's the only game I'll be playing for a while until Arc Raider.

And some SHf and stuff on sides, and Cronos.

[lime lintel]

BO7 all the way for me, I will be there 8 hours per day

[balmy surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHfGm0ygZfU

2018

[white oyster]

rockstar didnt even bother to add HDR to gta 5 enhanced

which i guess is because GTA 5 E&E console HDR isnt even real hdr, i think youve said its auto-hdr or something

[balmy surge]

yeah, hdr is fake on console gta5, but i don't know if it's fake here too

[flint crater]

This was before they patched it

Before it was just sdr in an hdr container but also gamma mismatch

It may have also still had the fucked up stuff with the linear lut input

[glacial berry]

Preset J>K for DLAA too imo

Makes more sense when you realize that quality is actually 44% of the original pixel count

The massive jump from quality to DLAA in terms of pixel count is a bizzare choice by Nvidia

[lime lintel]

@white oyster @river willow I'm trying RDR2 in DirectX because when @flint crater will be done with the Mod I wanna do a new play through...But compared to Vulkan it has some micro stutters, I can't believe!

I don't understand what could be cause in Vulkan was running super smooth

[white oyster]

so for me

the cause was related to vsync, nvidia reflex, and triple buffering

try turning all 3 off

theres a bug with one of hte settings in vulkan i think

@lime lintel if its not one of those 3 i think i have some other stuff i tried, i dont fully remember how i fixed it

[lime lintel]

None of these worked. I tried also to clean the shaders cache and DirectX cache

[white oyster]

make sure your low latency mode is set to off and vsync is set to application controlled in nvidia app/control panel for rdr2

and do u have any mods @lime lintel

the stutter fix mod might help

[lime lintel]

No Mod, but it's crazy that I need a mod for the stutters, come on!

[river willow]

If you are playing with a capped framerate, i'd turn reflex off. If playing on gsync/vrr you can turn off triple buffering. Those 2 settings reduced any micro stutters i;d get

[white oyster]

u shouild be able to fix it without any mods, for me it was some weird settings for triple buffering or something

do u use gsync/freesync?

[lime lintel]

I'm capped at 120 and reflex is off

[white oyster]

also, check in controls-mouse and keyboard, try changing mouse input to directinput

[white oyster]

make sure vsync and triple buffering are off

[lime lintel]

Gsync always on as default

[white oyster]

and also off in nvdia control panel for rdr2

[lime lintel]

I tried nothing changed

[white oyster]

are u capping fps in nvidia control panel or how

[lime lintel]

In the game, I put refresh rate 120, is it capping it?

[white oyster]

so, it wont cap it unless vsync is turned on

and i wanted to test with vsync off cuz thats how i fixed stuter

in the nvidia control panel app, you can set a max frame rate

thats where id set it

u can do it globally or per game

i globally cap it to my monitors refresh rate

lower per game if i want

[lime lintel]

Ok, I will put my 120 right now

[white oyster]

also try setting borderless windowed mode in game

test with triple buffering off, but try with vsync on and off, see if either is better

lots of ppl online say triple buffering is the problem

i reccomend checking in nvidia control panel and turning that off, too, if its on

should be off both ingame and in the control panel, vsync set to application controlled in control panel, on/off ingame

[lime lintel]

All combinations tried and micro stutters still there

I wanna try again Vulkan now and check for confirmation

Crazy, Vulkan zero stutters and zero texture breaking from far

[white oyster]

do you have texture mods?

thats your problem

DX12 does not suipport texture mods for rdr2

TTO, etc are unsupported cuz of issues with memory allocation on dx12

[river willow]

As long as the textures are compressed correctly, I believe dx12 can work with texture mods. Still more prone to crashing than vulkan tho

[lime lintel]

I have no mods, zero. But with directx I see some texture loading delay too together with some micro stutters

[river willow]

What res do u play at?

[lime lintel]

4k

[white oyster]

i was able to fix my microstutter on dx12 with the triple buffering and shit so idk

[river willow]

fair. i was gonna say red dead 2 wont load max quality textures at res below 1440

[lime lintel]

All settings are maxed and injected DLAA (which I tried to disable in DirectX)

[stray plume]

Dx12 has an animation stutter issue iirc. Even if your frametimes are perfectly smooth it looks bad

[lime lintel]

I've tried everything, literally everything and I can't get rid of the microstutters. I give up. @flint crater I'm willing to sacrify 3 lambs for a Vulkan Mod 😂

[stray plume]

I feel like there’s a chance it could go away at 60hz vsync

If that wouldn’t resolve it, I doubt anything will

[lime lintel]

You know what, I wanted to try it...Then I thought, seriously should I cut my frame in half to get DirectX working?! And didn't even try it

[stray plume]

I don’t think I tried it either lol

I know I tried a 60 fps cap back in the day though

Which did not fix it alone

[fervent canopy]

i have the same problem has you

with dx12

[flint crater]

idk how to get vulkan working is the issue

I would have done vulkan in the first place since there are texture mods that need it

[lime lintel]

[glacial berry]

I've had that on and off. It's definitely a situational game bug

[lime lintel]

I'm sure, but I can't get out fo it 🤷‍♂️

[frosty timber]

i had a regular "tick" small stutter every second or so, that was fixed by increasing texture budget

[void coral]

Any mod to fix the stutter?

I found this, also they apparently broke the game kn one update and it was fine at launch bruh

https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1502

[lime lintel]

Had the same in Cyberpunk and was coming after like 5/6 hours of playtime. Used to Fix it by restarting my PC

This one looks more like a traversal stutter rather than that

[white oyster]

it can help a bit but ths mostly helps stuter when the vram limit is exceeded, if u use texture mods

idk if itll help with the dx12 stuttering

for me, disabling triple buffering fixed the dx12 stutteriong

but that doesnt fix it for everyone apparnetly

[slate wren]

I have peeapple waiting for final release musa

Lots of them

[balmy surge]

time to patreon it then

[flint crater]

crashes for some people

nexus users are too stupid to troubleshoot

[slate wren]

With built in reshade ini shortcut fix

For dumbasses

[flint crater]

would rather wait for the remaster to come out

then maybe it'll have better stability

[balmy surge]

they're probably porting gta6 code

[flint crater]

idk about them adding RT

would be nice though

[slate wren]

https://tenor.com/view/montoya-montoya-por-favor-gif-16728308956283061308

Musaaaaaaaaaaaa

[hardy epoch]

Hi folks, considering that the plan is to wait for the remaster, is it a good idea to start a playthrough with the current beta? I'm aware i need to rebind the reshade key, but any other problems to be aware of?

[flint crater]

if you don't get a crash on startup then you're good to go

its gonna be the same thing in the final release

there are some shaders in the dump that I haven't done yet but they seem unused anyway

afaik game is playable front to back without issue if you can get past that initial loading screen without a crash

[sterile ruin]

what remaster

[hardy epoch]

Great, thanks!

[plain minnow]

At this point I'm hoping Rockstar just gives RDR2 the GTA5 treatment with RT and FG etc etc, just porting to Switch 2 and higher fps on console was not the droid I was looking for

[sterile ruin]

yeah that doesnt sound like a remaster

more like a ps5 pro patch

[lime lintel]

If they add RT Global Illumination this game would be insane. Let's see, some people speculate gonna be by the end of this month

[lime lintel]

Which Rockstar would call a remaster

[hollow ice]

Fuck that tbh

[sterile ruin]

musa would never

(i hope)

[void coral]

Is there any patreon only reno mods?

[river willow]

Does the game even need rtgi?The gi solution is pretty robust as is. I'd rather they give us rt reflections. Thats the only major visual blemish left on the current release. SSR and planar reflections look good static, but as soon as your character is in motion you can break it pretty easy. Also I wonder if rtgi will affect the grading of the scenes

RT shadows would probably look pretty nice with all the foliage as well tbf

[lime lintel]

100% it doesn't need, but for sure it would benefit from a more accurate simulation of light. Reflections, shadows and occlusions would be great, but for reflections only I don't think it is necessary TBH. With that said, the art direction was not meant to be with RT in mind, but if you look at some examples like Metro Exodus or even the GTA5 update...They improved a lot! It is tricky with RDR2 I surely agree

[stray plume]

no

we have an early access channel that some stuff gets pushed to, but it's not really like planned early access period or w/e

[slate wren]

there are degenerates who bundle reno in their garbage patreon only reshade sdr presets

but nothing officially exclusive

[void coral]

ahh

ic alr

[slate wren]

Just existing mods right not real stuff

Like cyberpunk ultra realistic preset !!!!!??!?

With old cyberpunk reno bundled in

[void coral]

LOL IC XD

[uneven girder]

Also GTA5s RT implementation is insanely performant for AMD, even under RDNA 2 on PS5. As RdR2 has a fair bit of higher hardware requirements it's probably still feasible even for AMD GPU users to enable some effects. I see a great fit. Water reflections and sun/moon shadows & occlusion would be plenty and a great addition as just those tend to fall behind of the otherwise great lighting.

[pliant dock]

can't wait for the hypothetical PC upgrade to take an extra few years to materialise

[white oyster]

I don’t crash

[white oyster]

No problems for me

It’s been awesome

[white oyster]

Nah for Rdr2 it would drop at the same time on PC

Cuz we’ve already seen the steam store page description get updated 3 weeks ago

Same thing happened to oblivion remaster 1-2 months before reveal

[lime lintel]

Honestly if they drop some graphical improvements for PC it would be the best gift of the season ngl

[white oyster]

i think its fairly possible

im really hoping we hear something soon'

we know it exists

it leaked from xbox court documents last year

rdr2 gen9 console edition

if they can port RTGI and other ray tracing features to GTA 5 with its 2013 RAGE engine idk why they cant port it to RDR2s 2018 engine version even easier

[river willow]

Rockstar giveth and rockstar taketh. Let's see what this hypothetical update breaks as well

[hollow ice]

If they could ditch Vulkan, that'd be awesome

[river willow]

Why would it be awesome?

[hollow ice]

Vulkan is a pita, means more maintenance and if they were to bring extra features like FG, would make feature parity a pain with the lack of vk support from FSR4 Upscaling and XeFG

So no more Vulkan ? I truly wish for it

[river willow]

I don't think they'd scrap all the work they did on the Vulkan version, just to add frame gen. Easy way to piss off users.

They might make it a separate release like v:de so users don't get forced over to dx

Actually that seems unlikely if they're updating the steam page for the regular version

[hollow ice]

All I hope is this cursed API won't cripple that fabled upgrade

[white oyster]

No, that will ruin any texture mods

DX12 in Rdr2 has problems lmao

More problems than Vulkan

[hollow ice]

Modders would finally work on dx12 textures then, some mods do work

[white oyster]

It’s not possible dude. There’s a problem with the texture allocation in DX 12 in red dead 2, where if you go over the default vanilla memory limits the game just breaks

Plus there’s a micro stutter bug on DX 12 that randomly affects some people and makes the game feel really sluggish and laggy to play

[upbeat idol]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-it-snl-oscar-rogers-weekend-update-kenan-thompson-gif-10667500

Cock* won't

So it's up to the modders

[white oyster]

idk if modders or even rockstar can fix it

but then again rockstar hasnt even fixed the keyboard input lag delay (which they can totally do) so maybe rockstar can fix it and just havent bothered

[upbeat idol]

I saw their source code comments

Rock* GPs are jokers

[lime lintel]

If they ditch Vulkan I can't play it, cause In DirectX I just get micro stutters all over the place and I've not been able to fix it. So, let's hope not!

[manic lion]

rdr2 remastered, only $999.999

[river willow]

Inb4 a repeat of GTA and we get console exclusive rt for god knows how long

[white oyster]

well we already saw the rdr2 steam page update a few weeks ago

hinting that this new port/patch would be on pc too

[lime lintel]

It would be nonsense thinking otherwise...

[white oyster]

well

it wouldnt exactly be unprecedented, though

it took 3 years to get gta 5 enhanced (PS5 upgrade) to come to PC

which is asinine

[lime lintel]

If they do it i'm gonna riot! I'll open a server "Uprising RDR2 mobs"

[wild tusk]

"Magicians For Sport". During this mission the mod disabled itself for me, and the games native HDR took over. After I completed the mission and restarted the game, the mod was working again.

This happened to me twice during this mission, I wanted to see if the issue would re-create itself so the first time I closed the game and tried the mission again.

[flint crater]

Do you have a save file with the mission available to play

[wild tusk]

Unfortunately not and I'm way past that mission now. I do have other mods installed though, and I'd like to see if this happens to anyone else.

[flint crater]

I have a couple shaders that I have to do but have been too lazy to get to so I likely have the necessary shader. Just need to do it

[pliant dock]

@flint crater I just started that mission via the replay feature to double check and it seemed to work fine on my end, but here's a save if you wanted to see for yourself (the mission is in chapter 3)

[lime lintel]

Does Lilium black level floor fix support Vulkan for this game? @flint crater

[flint crater]

idk i assume reshade shaders would work the same

[lime lintel]

Do you think that matching SDR could bring any benefit to the current HDR?

[flint crater]

that's what the mod is doing

you can't match sdr with reshade shaders

since they do some cursed stuff where they use the wrong encoding for the color grading LUTs

the stronger the grading is during a scene the more off the hdr is

[lime lintel]

I see, so no way for me to improve anything

[flint crater]

i prefer sdr to the game's vanilla hdr

[river willow]

Yes

BFF helps get some colour back into the HDR image compared to the stock HDR

[lime lintel]

I will try it out then, how did you set it?

[river willow]

Use the black floor emulation and make sure paper white in the shader settings matches your game settings

[lime lintel]

I'm using 240 (which is bad) because otherwise there are no colors 😬

[lime lintel]

You mean processing cut off?

[river willow]

Yhhh couldn't remember what it was exactly called

[lime lintel]

What's your paper white?

[river willow]

I play at 1000 peak / 200 pw

[lime lintel]

200 only?

[flint crater]

200 is too bright for me

[lime lintel]

To my eyes the paper white settings seems to be affecting colors too. Am I faded?

[flint crater]

its a brightness slider that just multiplies the rgb values

i guess perceptually brighter colors can appear more saturated

but also having a higher paper white means you have less room for highlights

so with per channel tonemapping those get more desaturated and hue shifted

[lime lintel]

@flint crater I've enabled SDR black floor emulation, but I see black crashing actually @river willow

[flint crater]

The game is pretty crushed with 2.2 gamma in sdr too

HDR tonemapper actually adds a little more contrast compared to the SDR one

So once you add the 2.2 emulation to hdr it becomes even more crushed than SDR

My recommended settings in the mod have shadows raised to 55 I think

[lime lintel]

Yes, so you were right, at least to my eyes the Black Floor Fix worsen the image quality

[flint crater]

Better to play in sdr imo

[whole field]

i can't get reshade to even show on red dead

i've changed the keybind and everything

like fresh install, deleted everything before, changed the keybind in the ini, set the dxgi to read only just in case and nothing

okay didn't realize i had to change the graphics api lol

i just figured dx was default

i got the reshade menu to show up now but the game is crashing with the following error

will try this mod

man i gotta download some goofy ass mod loader and a bunch of other pointless mods nvm

[lime lintel]

@river willow & @white oyster what di you think about this post which is claiming that those solutions can 100% solve the DirectX stutters? Should I try those things out?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PCRedDead/s/2oG9xAhifK

[river willow]

I don't think any of that is necessary. Maybe power throttling change might help. But the launch commands and memory pool won't do much imo. But you can try them. May work on your hardware 🤷

[glacial berry]

Besides the mod those seem like a complete joke

I use a stutter fix mod and it's perfect on my end

[lime lintel]

The first one is actually even suggested by Rockstar, I've checked it

I was skeptical too

[lime lintel]

Guys it is better but Fuck, still some micro stutters every now and then. Can't believe I can't get rid of that, I'm fuming!

[river willow]

Do you still get micro stutter if you run with a FPS cap?

[lime lintel]

Should I force it in Nvidia Panel?

Nothing to do, even by locking the FPS to 120 still micro stutters

[glacial berry]

Can you show the graph?

[lime lintel]

Which graph you need?

[sterile ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-graph-nickelback-gif-12683147

[white oyster]

Never tried the launch arguments or that mod and I fixed the stutter on dx12, shouldn’t be necessary

[white oyster]

Frame time graph

Steam can display it

[glacial berry]

Frametime

Capframex would be ideal

[glacial berry]

Forgot about that new one. How's it even look?

[river willow]

Pretty comprehensive

if you put in expert mode or whatever its called, also just has basic fps counter functionality

[lime lintel]

I will check it out shortly then, didn't know about it

[lime lintel]

How do I remove the Rockstar Overlay which is conflicting with any activity I do with the Steam overlay? In the Rockstar Launcher itself I don't find any option to toggle

[river willow]

Change whatever key you are using to toggle steam fps counter to something different than the rockstar ui key?

[stray plume]

Aren’t those source engine launch commands?

[river willow]

-cpuLoadRebalancing is the only one I saw on the pcgw page. Im not sure what it does tbh

[lime lintel]

I'm not sure

[pliant dock]

stops an individual core from getting maxed out and spiking, but it was a launch issue and got patched ages ago, so the launch command shouldn't matter anymore

"We have identified an issue with certain NVIDIA graphics card drivers that cause significant stalls of several seconds on systems with 4-core and 6-core CPUs," the statement related to stuttering reads. "While we work with NVIDIA to improve driver performance, a temporary work around can be added to the launch arguments of the game to re-balance workload on the CPU cores and avoid the conditions that cause this issue."

that quote from R* was from 2019

[stray plume]

Ah

[lime lintel]

So, I'll get rid of them then

[river willow]

Shouldn't be an issue for modern platforms. Late AM4 6 cores run this game fine. Idk about quad cores though

But tbh. I ran this game off a i5 4590 and a 1060 at 1080p mostly fine back when it came out initially on pc

[lime lintel]

Can you guys spot the stutters?

[lime lintel]

@white oyster, @river willow @glacial berry i stutter when I see it deeps the low around 30/40s

[glacial berry]

Left is average. Middle is lows and right is highs?

[river willow]

yh

[glacial berry]

The engine doesn't like going above 188 fps frametimes so that's a start

[pliant dock]

how is it if you cap it at a stable framerate, e.g. 60? Even on a 5090 I just run RDR2 capped at 60FPS for the sake of smoothness

[glacial berry]

Yeah they're obvious even in recordings

[river willow]

Try changing in game refresh to 60 plus vsync on

reflex off if on nvidia

triple buffering on

[white oyster]

triple buffering causes a microstutter on dx12 for me

[lime lintel]

Zero stutter like that

[pliant dock]

I'm using borderless fullscreen with reflex on at 120Hz with a 60FPS cap and it's fine

[lime lintel]

It pisses me off to cap at 60 when I can get 120 on Vulkan FFS. Why this even happen?!?

[river willow]

Vulkan Voodoo Magic

[lime lintel]

On Vulkan I max the game out in 4k injecting DLAA and it is buttering smooth

[lime lintel]

Removing triple buffering it is 60 extra smooth, I've got some little improvements too. Still 60 though

@flint crater is the mod working fine now if I try running it?

[flint crater]

it doesn’t work for some people but idk why

[lime lintel]

Let me try

[white oyster]

its my understanding its just not possible to make the mod work on vulkan at all, right?

[flint crater]

ya only dx12

[lime lintel]

Musa was clear with me that it could not

[river willow]

No decompiler for vulkan. so at the moment not possible.

[flint crater]

we have a decomp but it just isn't working right

[lime lintel]

It is working just fine with me

[white oyster]

so sad

maybe one day

i dont assume a rdr2 re-release (like gta 5 enhanced) would help at all, right?

[flint crater]

remaster incoming apparently

[white oyster]

what is working

[white oyster]

100%, any day now tbh

i hope it has much better built in upscaling and frame gen and fixes the blurriness

[flint crater]

I wonder if they'll still even support vulkan with the remaster

[white oyster]

i cant imagine them ditching vulkan with how broken dx12 is for some stuff

like dont most texture mods break with dx12

microstutter bug

etc

[flint crater]

idk how RT works with vulkan

if they add that

[river willow]

It might be like gta 5, where we get the legacy version for vulkan

but the next gen will be dx12 only

[lime lintel]

What is Vanilla+? @flint crater

[white oyster]

is gta 5 enhanced dx12 only? huh i didnt even know that

[white oyster]

legacy version was just the old gta 5 version renamed

it wasnt a "new" version that still used vulkan

so it had no extra bug fixes, etc

id hope they keep the old version around, but idk, gta 5s was moslty kept for Fivem

[flint crater]

upgraded version of the SDR tonemapping

[river willow]

No Im just saying that it will be renamed to legacy or whatever. We get a whole sepearte page in library for next gen

[white oyster]

its possible yeah, hard to know tho

they changed the description on the steam page for rdr2 a few weeks ago so maybe they make a new page or just edit the existing one

[lime lintel]

@flint crater does the Mod completely override the in-game settings or should I set them to some specific value?

[flint crater]

overrides them

[hardy epoch]

But I should still enable hdr in game and set it to "Game" mode, I assume?

[flint crater]

just enable hdr, doesn't matter if you set game or cinematic

[hardy epoch]

Thanks. Just got the game via the steam sale. I earlier played it on my ps4, and now I'm on linux. Excited for this playthrough!

[lime lintel]

@flint crater i can finally see some colors

The most visible difference is that the sun is not blown out

[river willow]

I think nighttime is where Reno shines. You get those blue night skies. Something the regular HDR plus bff struggles to retain

Plus saint Denis at night looks lovely with Reno. Those electric lights really pop

[lime lintel]

I''ve just seen the night and it's another game!!! My 4th play through is confirmed!!!!

[glacial berry]

I get pretty much dead flat frametimes even while running in SD uncapped

That's not normal

[lime lintel]

You are also 5090 & 9800X3D?

[glacial berry]

Yeah

I can get stutters when exploring new areas/items

But outside of that smooth sailing

[lime lintel]

I don't understand why outside 60 is a stutter fest for me on this game, it is mind boggling!

[glacial berry]

Using these two mods

[lime lintel]

What are they supposed to do?

[glacial berry]

Sutter fix is the only relevant one

I don't even remember what the second one is

[lime lintel]

Should I actually download it?

[glacial berry]

Seems like it

[lime lintel]

I'm downloading it right now

[lime lintel]

This one right?

[glacial berry]

Looks like the one

[lime lintel]

It requires some loaders 😭

[glacial berry]

yup

we live in a society

[whole field]

omfg i can't even get this game to launch in dx12 anymore

changed steam properties, changed the xml, changed the in game settings, and even locked the xml but somehow it's still vulkan

i give up ffs

like what even is the point of the xml if it just does whatever the fuck it wants

[pliant dock]

@whole field are you changing your settings on the main menu and then restarting? Ages ago I had a similar issue with RDR2 resetting my settings no matter what and I solved it by loading in-game first, sorting out all of my settings, then saving and restarting the game after that instead

[whole field]

i did both

i saved the settings

i don't think i saved the game

[pliant dock]

it doesn't sound like it should matter, but it's what worked for me at the time

[lime lintel]

This game is capable of surprising me with new unheard issues year after year

[whole field]

i mean honestly this is a improvedment over last time i tried

before it would crash before even launching

[hardy epoch]

Okay after adding reshade to the game, it crashes. I guess this is the problem Musa was talking about

[white oyster]

use lennys mod loader

i find whyems visuals mod better than visual redemption but its up to u what one u want

both of them make the game look nicer

[white oyster]

are u using dx12

[lime lintel]

What is this Whyems doing?

@glacial berry https://x.com/g01d3nm4ng0/status/1980605233987559514?s=46 ready to upgrade again? 🤣

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[white oyster]

just look at the screenshots and description
https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1521

try just the stutter fix for now tho

https://www.rdr2mods.com/downloads/rdr2/tools/76-lennys-mod-loader-rdr/?&do=download

with lennys mod loader

[lime lintel]

Explain to me how does it work with this loader if you don't mind, why is it necessary?

[white oyster]

the loader is just a mod loader

it works like any other mod loader, it loads mods present in a mods folder

but it also gives u an interface to enable/disable mods if you want

the stutter fix mod is just a generic mod reccomended to use for rdr2 to help with stuttering

i thought u were already using it tbh, ive been using it the whole time

it increases memory pool limits related to texture streaming to help combat stuttering

you need lennys mod loader, asi loader and scripthook

those are just required to get the game to properly load and utilize a modified/edited gameconfig, so the mod can actually work

http://dev-c.com/files/ScriptHookRDR2_1.0.1491.17.zip
https://www.rdr2mods.com/downloads/rdr2/tools/9-rdr-2-asi-loader/
https://www.rdr2mods.com/downloads/rdr2/tools/76-lennys-mod-loader-rdr/
https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1502?tab=files&file_id=12917

these are the 4 mods u need in total to make the stutter fix work

install those 4 and see if it helps

then u can also add other mods if u want in the future, to do stuff like make better ragdolls, more blood effects, etc

i have a mod that makes the game have seasons (like fall, winter, summer) and one that makes nights much darker, another mod to let me stash my lantern on my belt

[lime lintel]

Thanks for the explanation

[river willow]

God this game really tempts me to go ultra wide for next monitor

[sterile ruin]

man thats sexy

[flint crater]

never ultrawide

4k 16:9

[stray plume]

hellblade 2 on an ultrawide would change you

[river willow]

tbf im on oled rn, so I could just fake it with cru

[stray plume]

(my next monitor will be a 16:9 4k panel)

[manic lion]

too hard to run, uw oled 1440p

[stray plume]

I lied I actually don't know, I'll just have to see what the market is like. I'd probably get more utility out of a super high refresh 1440p monitor than a 4k one, since I hook up to my tv for controller stuff.

[flint crater]

I guess cause that’s something you can still run on 4k 21:9

The most demanding games would be impossible to run

Trying to be productive at 1440p is annoying

[stray plume]

at monitor sizes I really don't care so much about 1440p vs 4k

[flint crater]

The pixelation triggers me

[stray plume]

I need dpi scaling at 4k

at 1440p 100% is perfect

[flint crater]

I have dpi scaling at 175%

[stray plume]

I had a 4k 27" LCD before my OLED, I either used 125% or 150%, can't remember. It did make text look super fucking nice though ngl

but for games I truly don't think 1440p vs 4k at that screen size is worth the perf

[river willow]

I avoided 4k oled cause there weren't too many 27" options. But the choices are better now. On my 55"tv i play with 150% when sat at the sofa

[sterile ruin]

square gamer

[flint crater]

Vscode is more important than games

Would rather have 4k sdr ips than 1440p tandem OLED

[stray plume]

at this point I think I agree lmao

[river willow]

I don't like playing above 27" for games like CS

I tried a 32 for a little bit but it was just too big for me

[pliant dock]

I run everything at 5160x2160 (DLDSR)

[sterile ruin]

i dont know about cs specifically but alot of it imo is really just getting used to a bigger size, i was a diehard 24" TN gamer for the longest time and wouldnt try anything else

[river willow]

It felt nice for anything else. Just comp shooters, I felt it harder to focus in

[lime lintel]

I wish I could play on a 27inches, I swear my life would be soooo easy! 😄

@river willow do you play 4k at 27?

[river willow]

Plus 27 gives me more flexibility for multi monitor. When I pick up a 4k 27" my 1440p will just become my secondary

[river willow]

1440 27" monitor, 4k 55" tv

[sterile ruin]

I know this sounds crazy but nowadays i can play fps games almost as well on my LG G5 in ultrawide which is like... probably still about 51 inches.. only real difference honestly is that my 27 inch is 360hz and the G5 is just 165..

[river willow]

360 feels great, but the new 1440 models push like 500

[lime lintel]

You could buy the Tandem Oled 27 right now! I swear if I could play at 27 I would have bought it already

[sterile ruin]

which outside of cs and valo is like almost unattainable in most games at any consistent rate xd

overwatch comes to mind too but not sure if thats still popular

would love to try one sometime tho

[river willow]

Yeah, I'd be better off upgrading my cpu before another refresh rate increase. If I can find a 4k 360 that would be easy upgrade for me. I think ill look at moving over to am5. want an x3d chip.

My local second hand shop, has a 5800x3d in for a decent price which is real tempting tho

[sterile ruin]

even with my 9800x3d it can be tough to push 400+ in many games ngl

sumn like cod or battlefield pretty much no way

[river willow]

Just use framegen

[sterile ruin]

[flint crater]

PT though

I can only barely run Indiana jones with fg on my 5080

[sterile ruin]

tbf FG 2x at 240fps FGing to 480fps probably very usable

[pliant dock]

I can run Indiana Jones maxed out with PT at a locked 60FPS at 5160x2160 (with DLSS SR/RR)

I usually like FG, but I can't stand it in that game for whatever reason

[flint crater]

I should have gotten a 5090

[river willow]

only "real" frames here

[flint crater]

Actually last time I played Indiana jones was with my dogshit i5-12400 and 16gb of ram

[pliant dock]

I'm a frame generation fake frames enjoyer 😎

[lime lintel]

What pisses me off the most is I've never had the chance to try the multi frame Gen!!! Basically the only exclusive feature of the 50series

[sterile ruin]

what dlss tho

[flint crater]

DLSS performance at 4k is good if the game doesn’t do anything stupid with post processing

[pliant dock]

balanced

5090 was a big uplift over my 4090 in a lot of cases, probably because of the high resolution

[sterile ruin]

i found that meh even with transformer

like its good but

can defo tell upscaling going on

[flint crater]

Actually without ray reconstruction DLSS performance can be questionable

Like in gta v

[sterile ruin]

yea

RR makes quite the diff

Oblivion remaster too

perf looks kinda whack without forcing RR with U+

then its ight

[sterile ruin]

im coping in 3840x1600

(jk is a good res to play at ngl)

[lime lintel]

Overclocked i reached an average of 36/38% uplift compared to my 4090

[pliant dock]

that sounds about right

[sterile ruin]

i sent my 5090 FE back because it was more like 20% ish in the games i tried

I have a wicked fast 4090 tho so not fair

[river willow]

Uplift isnt the most impressive part to me. Founders being a 2 slot is very nice. I'd pay the premium on ebay just for that

[lime lintel]

Man nowadays with the huge builds necessary to run a proper high end system, 2 slots or 3 slots I feel it doesn't make a sensible difference anymore. I went for the last 2gen full big tower

[river willow]

I'm gonna be full tower next build. Someone gifted me an internal 4k blu ray drive for my bday. So space savings are irrelevant for me lol

[pliant dock]

@sterile ruin tell a lie, I just booted it up to check and I'm using performance not balanced in Indiana Jones. I found this very first section to be one of the heaviest in the game, so it's a good test case

[sterile ruin]

[lime lintel]

@river willow @white oyster here we go! 😂

[sterile ruin]

wheres the dont care option

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-silly-dog-propeller-hat-propeller-hat-dog-gif-4764495627579170054

[river willow]

I'm just going by historical evidence

Rt in a few years maybe

[white oyster]

Btw guys

Insane QD OLED deal at Costco

1440p 240hz 27” for $379

[white oyster]

Soon

[sterile ruin]

i mean just judging by GTA5, could see them give rdr2 the same treatment

but i generally dont care much, game looks great already

gta 5 looked much more dated in comparison soo makes sense that in order to overhaul the lighting that they went and added rt, while i would argue red dead wont benefit nearly as much but i might be completely wrong

[rough rose]

RDR2 has screen space artifacts up it's own ass

[river willow]

Like I said a while ago. RT reflections would be a cherry on top of a very nice looking game

[lime lintel]

You remove screen space and some baked lights, replacing them with proper shadows and reflections gonna be the best looking game of the next 5 years too

[rough rose]

The reflections are fine actually for the most part
It's the GI and AO I have the issue with
And the shadow box draw distance

Getting the shadows to look decent plus grass shadows cost as much as RT solution would

[river willow]

Screen space shadows pop in can mostly be dealt with graphical issues fixes mod

[rough rose]

Not on consoles you can't

[sterile ruin]

is it that bad? never noticed but ive not played it a shitton yet

[lime lintel]

Shadows in my opinion are the most important problem of RDR2, which make some elements feel not properly integrated with the environment

[rough rose]

They can stand out like balls on a buldog

[river willow]

Sucks to suck

[rough rose]

When you have a game that looks this good any imperfections stand out more

[sterile ruin]

guess im legally blind

https://tenor.com/view/pop-gif-14978520618273094833

or not played enough

only did like 6-8 hours earlier this year, mainly because i was testing dlss 4 with it and was amazed how much better that shit looked with transformer model

[rough rose]

It's the latter

[sterile ruin]

so i was probably more focused on that than GI issues

[lime lintel]

Proper Shadows would make a huge difference!

[sterile ruin]

proper screenshots too 🙏

[glacial berry]

RDR2O isn't a thing unlike GTAO

Doubt it'll happen

[lime lintel]

Come on, still sold 80M copies man

[rough rose]

RDR2 is still one of the best selling games ever IIRC
It's just not the evergreen titan like GTAO

[glacial berry]

Past tense sold. They got what they wanted

[sweet night]

I mean, they aren't really selling more GTA copies cause GTAO got RT. That is already a behemoth of its own, they don't need to do all that.

It was more of a testing bed for them likely for GTA 6 than anything else.

RDR2 remastered rumours are certainly nice, but also sucks cause I've yet to play campaign.

Got 500hrs in online only.

But with Musa's mod now and all, might make some time for it next year, preferably before GTA 6, if no remastered comes.

[pliant dock]

I've got something like 600 hours playtime and I've never made my online character

we are not the same

[lime lintel]

I've got around 800 hours in Single Player only and still to this day is the only game where I feel like I'm in a "real world"

[sweet night]

It definitely caught me by surprise, man.

I bought the game only to play campaign, but online suckered me in.

Allowing huge lobbies of friends playing together, and then game also went like $1

Red Dead Online, that is. Standalone.

At launch.

So, that ballooned it up even further.

Got shit ton of hours in it, all of us. It's a shame how abonded it's always been.

Shitty AF grind, too. But since few of us already did the grind, we fast tracked it for other friends.

[sweet night]

It's a beaaaaaaaautiful game with lots of amazing moments.

Even in online, the world is same, idk if map is same? So, I can only imagine how enhanced campaign is.

I also had such a loooooooooong AF streak going on for daily login rewards as well, that got rekt when Rockstar changed the way they give daily bonus.

[lime lintel]

Never played Multiplayer. Did I miss out?

[sweet night]

I had like idk fucking over a year worth of daily logging in.

[sweet night]

Not really

Unless you got a bunch of friends to roll around with, then it's great.

We'd hop on daily, do activities, trades, moonshine missions, collector, hunting, robbery, and catching robbers etc.

We'd put on a music bot in the same call.

I'd force 'em to listen to my shitty glorious playlists, and vice versa.

That's what made it all fun, the game provided a perfect playground for gathering and playing.

[lime lintel]

Man, it actually sounds a lot of fun how you describe it!

[sweet night]

Even watching paint dry is a lot of fun with a right group of friends 😄

Game has enough content to keep you busy if you're looking to do it all for like 80-100hrs, I'd say.

But grind is real, and it's annoying. Grind for gold, that is.

You can min/max it, and it'll help.

But grind is there.

Take away like ~100hrs from there that were spent in single player, cause my friend borrowed my acct. She wanted to replay campaign on PC.

Everything else is pure online.

Us after doing online activity, all dressed up.

[lime lintel]

You know, Sometimes I just follow NPC and check their routine and daily life. Man, I hope I will be experiencing another game like that

[lime lintel]

Looool

[sweet night]

GTA6 has a bunch of interesting NPC systems filed with USPTO. We could be seeing it even better stuff.

Albeit, not so much as here, cause life back then was mostly out and about.

Over here, I'd reckon NPCs will eventually have to go in their homes and you can't follow back in, or just won't be something you can see.

https://uspto.report/patent/app/20200338450

[lime lintel]

I watched an interview with Take Two CEO (whom he doesn't know shit about gaming tbh) and he said to a specific question about NPC behavior

That's it is impossible to have the same in GTA because of the size of the project

[sweet night]

Most don't know shit about gaming, they don't really need to, so long as they're good at what they do to keep the company alive.

It's very rare that nerds make good suits, and vice versa.

[sweet night]

Fair enough, tbh.

But I've seen some leaked videos that look interesting enough as is.

Everything's going to feel like a huge upgrade anyway since GTA5 came out 982348923489234 years ago.

Fucking hell, man. It's been 7 years since RDR2 itself.

[lime lintel]

I give you an example with a game I love but I couldn't really get a real immersion in it: Cyberpunk

[sweet night]

So many good IPs, man.

Being wasted.

[lime lintel]

Just because of the NPC behavior and spawn system

[sweet night]

Cyberpunk feels follow in comparison for stuff like that, yeah.

Like it's diff leagues altogether.

I haven't played either, though. Campaign, that is.

[lime lintel]

I've completed 4 runs in Cyberpunk, I genuinely love the gameplay and art direction. But man, NPC and general AI routine are such a let down

I was so disappointed when it came out

[sweet night]

They've improved it a fuck ton since launch, though.

But yeah, still likely nothing in comparison to RDR2.

[lime lintel]

Anyway, have you checked The Outer Worlds 2? Might be a nice open world

[sweet night]

I loved the first one but never finished it.

Need to play that first before second.

[lime lintel]

Same!

[sweet night]

I loved everything about it, though. So, sequel should be dope.

[sweet night]

@lime lintel https://jeanropke.github.io/RDR2CollectorsMap/

If you play RDO, this map will help immensely with the grind.

Albeit, it won't help with gold, just $$$.

And gold is what you need to unlock new roles.

And don't try to rush all roals, just farm gold and buy roles when they go on sale, so you pay half and shit.

Unlock bounty hunting ASAP as that'll give you more gold with its activities.

Also, is that map same as what you have in campaign?

Size/areas, I mean.

[hardy epoch]

Yep, directx 12. Changed the overlay keybinding too

[lime lintel]

Yeah, it looks the same to me, I don't see differences opening it from my phone, but with all these icons I might be loosing something

[hardy epoch]

Interestingly enough, I can't find the reshade log file anywhere to debug what's going on . I'm on linux. I've used renodx/luma before for both God of war and Bioshock and didn't have any issues

I've just switched to vulkan and decided to enjoy the game. It looks pretty, HDR or not!

[solar jackal]

How do you actually install this lol, usual reshade and then just drop the file in to the games folder?

[wild tusk]

Just drop the file into the game directory where Reshade is located. Which is the same directory the games .exe is located. Reshade will pick it up as an add-on.

[untold wolf]

great work on this mod 👍

finally night time doesn't look washed out with hdr

saint denis looks incredible now

[lime lintel]

Van Horn it's incredible too

[foggy ingot]

is there a fix for the broken day night cycle for this game? didnt have it with vulkan but am having it now since renodx requires me to use dx12

broken as in, it changes from night to day and vice verse instantly

[white oyster]

yeah i have that problem too lol, and i have the darker nights mod so its even more noticable

[white oyster]

havent found a fix yet, i think its just a problem with the game, it only lasts a few seconds tho so i get used to it

[drowsy garnet]

So it says wip but why is it just cuz the dx12 thing

Cuz another question about that is will other mods work with dx12 since I was told too use vulkan for mods

[lime lintel]

Wait what?!? I didn't play enough these days but I didn't see that. Is that a common thing? Can't believe these DirectX 12 libraries are such an headache ffs!!!

[pliant dock]

I used to have that botched day/night transition issue when using DLSS/DLAA, but using the default TAA instead resolved it

RDR2's the only game I use the default TAA over DLSS, it's such a janky implementation

[hardy epoch]

I fixed it! PSA for folks on linux: After installing Reshade, my Steam launch command for the game was d3dcompiler_47=n;dxgi=n,b %command% as that is what the reshade installer had set. Of course, the game was crashing in this case. I enabled proton logs, and found that it was throwing an error saying d3dcompiler_47.dll was not found. I figured this had something to do with the d3dcompiler_47.dll file symlinked for reshade.

SOLUTION: Change the steam launch command of the game to d3dcompiler_47=n,b;dxgi=n,b %command% we're basically asking it to fallback to wine's DLL if the native one isn't found. After doing this, I was able to get into the game and enjoy Musa's amazing mod!

[white oyster]

The hdr still has missing shaders for one or 2 missions and maybe some certain scenarios with screen filters, that’s why it’s WIP

So HDR might turn off in 1 or 2 missions or when a certain screen filter is used

Personally I haven’t noticed that happen yet and I’m into chapter 2 now

[lime lintel]

I'm in chapter 3 but just hunting, I didn't encounter bugs so far

[tender osprey]

Is the pinned one latest ?

[dry mason]

Nah it's one of the games that benefit the most from transformer DLSS over the TAA blur.

The only bug I've noticed with transformer in particular (don't remember it before using Reno), is that character hair is pitch black when it's dark and it's only being lit with sources like lamps, but it's seemingly resolved when loading a save with just TAA, and then toggling DLSS on afterward.

[wild tusk]

This game is such a joke with DX12. Nothing but tiny problems everywhere. Now the game is refusing to enable DX12 all together.

[wild tusk]

Yep, noticed the same thing. Also the distant textures don't load correctly unless I go to the settings.xml file and set all the "lodscale" values that are at 0 by default, to 1.

[lime lintel]

Also to me I have some texture loading delay, I wish we could have this MOD on Vulkan. @flint crater we are all suffering because of your Mod :))

[glacial berry]

The TAA looks terrible in that game. Even the updated one. DLAA walks all over it

[wild tusk]

For some reason, Reshade makes the game only use Vulkan.

[wild tusk]

Alright. Looks like Reshade was somehow installed twice? After uninstalling Reshade still appears. So I put the mod in like normal, and now the game works, again, finally.

[white oyster]

yeah fr

[tender osprey]

TAA will look good if played on 4k
But DLAA > DLSS Quality > TAA High

Game HDR + BFF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OopOx2UBBo

Renodx HDR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfVgeviHX-A

I can clearly see why musa hated default hdr in game

[trim swallow]

yeah i cant even boot the game with a fresh install with dx12, i get out of memory issues

there was a point in time i could use dx12 but i think vulkan had less issues with artifacts ingame too

[trim swallow]

TLAA still looks dogshit imho

turning dlss on in rdr2 felt like going into the future to me

[lime lintel]

Man I play 4k and TAA is unbearable. Since they added DLAA the picture presentation in RDR2 has improved dramatically.

But the most important thing is the "stability" and "consistency" of the smaller details

[slate wren]

No fix needed just -50 green

[lime lintel]

It's literally another game with DLAA

[trim swallow]

I managed to get it running, but there's frame spikes and a bunch of odd things happening in the sky at times and weird popins, cant remember any of these being present with vulkan

[wild tusk]

In The Gilded Cage- mission (mayors party mission) the game crashes for me at a specific point with the mod. After the cutscene with Bronte, you get down to the bottom floor with Dutch through the stairs, the room where you see a fireplace. I tried again 3 times, and after disabling the mod it wouldn't crash there anymore.

[wild tusk]

Documents/Rockstar Games/Red Dead Redemption 2/Settings/system.xml open it, and search for "lodscale" with CTRL + F. If any of the lod options have a value of 0, set them to 1. This fixed the textures not loading correctly at distance for me.

[trim swallow]

its not just distant stuff

there's some close issues with puddles i noticed

and some weird clouds

the game runs so much better on vulkan truly, i think just a black floor fix is enough, i dont feel like rest of the game being objectively worse than vulkan makes renodx worth it

[hardy epoch]

Was dlaa added natively to the game? I don't see the settings

[tender osprey]

Choose different stairs when coming down and don't follow dutch to stairs

[trim swallow]

you have to force DLAA

but DLSS4 basically killed DLAA for me, DLSS quality on 4k is basically better than dlss 3 dlaa

[lime lintel]

From the Nvidia App just override DLSS to latest and choose manually DLAA to inject it. In game menu you will see it as "Ultra Quality"

[trim swallow]

being forced to play this mod with DX12 is basically deciding if u want slightly better HDR than running stable vulkan and just use lillium’s black floor fix

[hardy epoch]

Okay, I'm on linux, so I'll have to override it some other way. Thanks for the tip!

[lime lintel]

Black Floor Fix i found it worsen the image in RDR2 crushing blacks. Better just using native at that point

[trim swallow]

I dont think it crushed blacks unless you've calibrated it wrong, i think some popular modder (maybe musa himself) posted some screenshots with better hdr before this mod, months back

imho its not really worth playing on DX12 unless it just works for you for some magical reason

but im super allergic to frame time stutters (something that rdr2 is plagued with on DX12) and weird artifacts

[lime lintel]

I don't agree and of course I didn't calibrate it wrong, we were discussing about that with Musa

[trim swallow]

sure

[river willow]

Nvidia app forcing wont expose ultra quality setting iirc. That in game setting is only exposed if you are using something like dlsstweaks. And I'm pretty sure that the setting does nothing unless you set ultra quality to override to 77% in dlsstweaks gui/config. I set the override to 100% so the in game ultra quality setting acts as dlaa

[trim swallow]

lets have less black crush and let game run like a monkey with popins instead its up to each person what they prefer

it's not surprising dx12 is plagued with issues when a lot of ppl cant even get the game to start with it

[lime lintel]

I completely agree that Vulkan is a much better experience. If you look up in this tread I stated that many times

[trim swallow]

its sad, i use reno in almost every game, but this is rockstars fault for making red dead on pc so unreliable 😂

[lime lintel]

I'm just telling you that black floor fix doesn't improve HDR presentation IMO

[river willow]

Black floor fix works well enough in daytime scenes..it just pales in comparison to Reno at nighttime

[trim swallow]

Objectively i think it looks way better, but thats my objective opinion of course

[lime lintel]

To me it worsen the image which doesn't have colors already in HDR, overdarkening shadow details

Renodx it brings out colors and details that are completely gone otherwise

[river willow]

Well yeah, Reno is targeting the SDR grade. Default "game" HDR is more of a neutral look with neutered colours

[trim swallow]

#1212434739500154921 message

i just tried this which was a discussion between KoKlusz and muza, and i thought it looked great

but i'm not a purist like them

but i don't really sit and analyze images, i had a full playthrough and liked it so it's not objective truth of being good or not, just a personal opinion that it looked great and ran great with vulkan

[lime lintel]

I've done hours and hours of testing, and RDR2 is tricky cause something that it is working during day time, in some location and with a specific weather, doesn't work in other conditions

[trim swallow]

I should try going vulkan with no renodx again and compare, but i had some very weird immersion breaking cloud/sky phenomena

it was just a specific spot on top of a mountain though so maybe just the game engine is cucked and i just happened to notice more issues on dx12

[lime lintel]

Man DX12 is unbearable. Loading textures, sometimes stutters (I had to cap it at 60 cause 120 just stutters to me) and other glitches

That's why I wish we could get a MOD on Vulkan

[trim swallow]

i hope rockstar gets their shit together before GTA6 pc release

😂

[lime lintel]

Who cares, we are going to experience it on a PS5 at least till 2027, so we are fucked anyway 😂

[river willow]

its okay. next gen edition will fix everything

[lime lintel]

I'm still waiting for this RDR2 update! 😭

@river willow @white oyster i think I will reverse to Vulkan, I really can't stand some visual glitches and loading shadows delay. It's a shame cause I love this Mod, but it is upsetting me the game with these performances, especially when I had 120fps smooth before

[river willow]

Rockstars track record with updates for this game does not fill me with confidence. All I can hope for is that they separate the versions so that I can keep my modded setup with minimal headache. If it's just a pure update, it'll be a long day

[lime lintel]

To me it is working though

[white oyster]

thats unfortunate, idk why u have so many perf problems, mines super stable 80-100fps with DLAA, using a 5800x3d and 4080 at 1440p

is the loading shadows delay what causes weird long flickering shadows at the very edges of my monitor?

[lime lintel]

Probably yes

[white oyster]

like what do u see

[lime lintel]

I have 2 main issues which are immersion breaking to me:

1. Some Textures delays on assets like housing and building (not often but quite sometimes)

2. Shadow delay adjustment on NPC and small object: the closer you get to the NPC the more detailed the shadow becomes (it is like there is a shorter radius of shadow stability compared to Vulkan)

[white oyster]

idk how but i havent seen or noticed either of those issues

[pliant dock]

the flickering shadows on the edge of the screen is just a screen space shadows "artifact"

[white oyster]

ahh

that sucks

rly distracting sometimes lol

[lime lintel]

But that's not "flickering", of course if you look at water or other things with screen space that's the effect. I thought something else tbh

I wouldn't describe it as "flickering"

[fierce thorn]

Before I try to set this up, are there compatibility issues with scripthook or not?

[river willow]

Use AB scripthook, not scripthook V2

[fierce thorn]

cool, sounds good

[river willow]

you may want to grab a more up to date version of the asi loader from here https://github.com/ThirteenAG/Ultimate-ASI-Loader/releases/download/x64-latest/dinput8-x64.zip

[lime lintel]

If you really have to advice me for the best visual mod (which doesn't break) what would you tell me to absolutely download? But only if it's something really worth it to enhance the experience

[river willow]

I don't personally use any of the major visual mods. If you want something light weight, I use this. https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/6335

[lime lintel]

Is it worth it? Does it break? I'm on Vulkan again now

[river willow]

Works fine on either api

[lime lintel]

You use the weather mod if I remember we'll right?

[river willow]

Nope someone else

[lime lintel]

So, this Mod makes a good impact?

[river willow]

It's subtle

Keeps vanilla look intact

And I use this mod to clean up things like shadow pop in

https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/3728

[lime lintel]

If it works this is huge

[river willow]

Yeah. The author has a mod to extend the lod as well which I use. But you'll have to merge the changes if you want to use both. He explains what lines to change in the comments of the lod mod page

[lime lintel]

These 2 you post here work fine together on Vulkan and with Reshade too right?

[river willow]

Yup

[lime lintel]

Done, I will install these 2 tomorrow then, thank you

Going back to Vulkan and having 120fps and DLAA with no glitches it's too good

[fierce thorn]

Does enabling hdr10+ in the in game settings do anything, and just outta curiosity why is motion blur mandatory?

[white oyster]

i like whyems visuals

[white oyster]

get terraom textures overhaul if ur on vulkan

[white oyster]

the shaders for renodx havent been made with motion blur off and there might be weird issues but some ppl have said it works fine

[fierce thorn]

gotcha. are recommended settings the way to go?

also, does whyems visuals conflict with the mod in any way?

[lime lintel]

Am I forced to use LML? Is there no way for doing it manually?

[river willow]

Yes use lml

[white oyster]

not that ive seen

[white oyster]

lml is just really nice to use regardless

most mods use it

[uneven girder]

Careful with scripthook and mods like why-em. Random encounters often break like you cant talk to baggers. Also NPC scripts do sometimes not work correctly during missions. Like crocodiles are not moving forward in cutscenes when they are swimming for example. I do not recommend for a regular playthrough.

[river willow]

whyems, rdo, eee are not worth the extra chance of spawn bugs imo

[lime lintel]

Yes, I'm not gonna risk it

If it was something like that, I would think about it

https://youtu.be/jD1mNA4Efcw?si=LYSfSOCF0xtu5IzD

[river willow]

and be selective with any texture overhauls you use. avoid instanity's mods, they are not handmade textures. just lazy ai slop thats not even correctly compressed

[lime lintel]

I decided I will not go for any visual overhaul, maybe just the ones you sent me for bug fixes

[sterile ruin]

Wish I could watch your rdr2 vid on YouTube in hdr too

[fierce thorn]

just out of curiosity, are there plans to eventually support vulkan or is that simply not possible?

[flint crater]

not possible with the current tools I have, the decomp doesn't seem to work for it

gotta update the mod now that shortfuse made new shadows and highlights sliders

[lime lintel]

@balmy surge some magic for Vulkan players? Some RenoDX miracle? You can't leave us suffering like that!

[tribal hatch]

i honestly don't really notice much if any difference when playing in dx12 compared to vulkan, in rdr 2, at least

[lime lintel]

That's Good for you man

[fierce thorn]

I'm having sudden changes that are happening with the day night cycle when the lighting will suddenly shift. is this something to do with reno or is it another one of my mods?

[flint crater]

I had that before Reno

Someone said it’s a dx12 thing

[fierce thorn]

ah okay, thanks!

[ocean drum]

On DX12 there is slight stutter , On Vulkan the game runs smoothly.

[tender osprey]

cpu intel or amd ?

[lime lintel]

Same for me (5090/9800X3D) and the only working solution was to lock the game at 60. With DirectX anything above 60 was full of microstutters

[fierce thorn]

Dx12 also has many miscellaneous graphical glitches that I never had with vulkan, but that’s not too bad. Stutter fix along with cpu prio takes care of the stuttering for me

[lime lintel]

I tried but it is not worth it for me. On Vulkan I get 120fps smooth with almost no glitches and textures and shadows loading much more stable

[fierce thorn]

Yes we know, you’ve brought it up like three separate times LMAO

[lime lintel]

Loool-lander

[ocean drum]

There's no reason to play red dead redemption 2 on DirectX12 unless you're interested in HDR. The game runs smoothly on Vulcan with any mods

[whole field]

https://tenor.com/view/ksganti-jumpscare-gif-18209355

[manic lion]

uhuh and some people want both

[river willow]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-dead-beating-gif-9285411

[lime lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-rdr-red-dead-redemption-video-game-gameplay-gif-17892817

[white oyster]

ya and i really want HDR lol

thats the only reason i use DX12

ur in the renoDX HDR mod discord lmao everyone here is prolly using DX12 cuz they have to

i rly wish i could use vulkan and use TTO for better terrain textures

[lime lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-simpsons-homer-whistle-gif-3132297775970105154

@balmy surge tomorrow will get RDR2

[balmy surge]

Can't do dx12 => vk?

https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton

[balmy surge]

I don't buy games to mod them. Promised myself I wouldn't do that. There are rare exceptions for like $2 games

[lime lintel]

You rem what I wrote you?

[balmy surge]

We have vulkan mods though

[balmy surge]

No?

[lime lintel]

Tomorrow I will send you Steam Gift ❤️

[balmy surge]

@flint crater what's the reason why vulkan isn't modded? Shaders? Cbuffers?

[flint crater]

The shaders didn’t decomp properly I think

They wouldn’t replace in real time with devkit, and then when I tried creating an addon with the new shaders they would give a black output

[balmy surge]

You got a spv? @lime lintel can save his money then

[lime lintel]

Man, to thank you for all the mods the entire steam library would be enough. So, even if you don't do it it's my pleasure

[flint crater]

Ya let me find them

[balmy surge]

But what if I don't want the game haven't finished rdr1

[lime lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/death-gif-21917172

[white oyster]

i played RDR2 first, youll be fine

man a vulkan version of renodx for RDR2 would be the holy grail basically lol

so many small issues with using DX12 like worse mod compatibility, shadow issues, microstutter, etc

[flint crater]

Only played the intro of rdr1

[lime lintel]

Me too 😂

[balmy surge]

Can probably reach out to Hans since he's basically the spirv whisperer

[white oyster]

i played a little bit of it, should prolly play more

[flint crater]

Got bored really fast

[white oyster]

ill happily donate to patreon for a vulkan version of the mod haha

[flint crater]

Rdr1 feels really primitive

[white oyster]

yeah RDR2 spoiled me

[balmy surge]

John Marston was cool, from what I remember

That was 15 years ago. Might hate him now though

[lime lintel]

I'm in!!!!

[lime lintel]

You don't want to know why he got scars on his face?! 🤣

[flint crater]

was working perfectly fine a second ago

[gaunt seal]

So HDR and direct X ON with motion blur on ingame?, and use beta build 5 right? just making sure I'm gooing in right lol.

[white oyster]

yeah

[gaunt seal]

hdr 10+ gaming too? or just hdr

[flint crater]

hdr10+ gaming should always be turned off

can't even launch rockstar games launcher

[gaunt seal]

oh shoot really? even on my tv settings or just in games? @flint crater

[balmy surge]

Hdr10+ is when the tv tonemaps. You want the game to tonemap, which is why you tell the game your peak nits so your TV does nothing extra and just outputs (less processing lag too)

[flint crater]

From what I’ve seen so far it’s entirely fake in games anyway. It basically just tells the game what your peak brightness is so you don’t have to manually move the slider to the right setting

And it forces you into exclusive full screen

So just have it off in the tv settings

[flint crater]

spv and my decomp

if its an input sig error idk how to deal with that cause idk how to see what the intermediate code is

[balmy surge]

vec4 _1034 = vec4(_1029, dot(_1029, vec3(0.2989999949932098388671875, 0.58700001239776611328125, 0.114000000059604644775390625)));

ew

i'll take a closer look tomorrow, should be a script to decompile and recompile and compare.

thankfully there's people who want a working spv decompiler. for directx it's just us

[flint crater]

i have spvasm now

[balmy surge]

i'm pretty sure hans will fix it if we file it.

[flint crater]

@echo off
setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

:: === CONFIGURATION ===
set "TARGET_DIR=%~dp0"       :: Folder containing .spv files (current folder)
set "SPIRV_DIS=C:\VulkanSDK\1.4.313.0\Bin\spirv-dis.exe"
set "OUTPUT_DIR=%TARGET_DIR%\spvasm"

:: === SETUP ===
if not exist "%OUTPUT_DIR%" (
    echo Creating output folder: "%OUTPUT_DIR%"
    mkdir "%OUTPUT_DIR%"
)

echo Searching for .spv files in: %TARGET_DIR%
echo.

:: === INITIALIZE COUNTERS ===
set /a total=0
set /a success=0
set /a fail=0

:: Count total .spv files
for %%F in ("%TARGET_DIR%\*.spv") do set /a total+=1

if %total%==0 (
    echo No .spv files found in this folder.
    pause
    exit /b
)

:: === MAIN LOOP ===
set /a current=0
for %%F in ("%TARGET_DIR%\*.spv") do (
    set /a current+=1
    set "name=%%~nF"

    echo [%current%/%total%] Disassembling %%~nxF...

    "%SPIRV_DIS%" "%%F" -o "%OUTPUT_DIR%\!name!.spvasm"

    if exist "%OUTPUT_DIR%\!name!.spvasm" (
        echo     ✅ Success: %%~nxF
        set /a success+=1
    ) else (
        echo     ❌ Failed:  %%~nxF
        set /a fail+=1
    )
    echo.
)

:: === SUMMARY ===
echo ====================================================
echo SPIR-V Disassembly Complete!
echo Total files:          %total%
echo Successfully done:    %success%
echo Failed:               %fail%
echo Output folder:        %OUTPUT_DIR%
echo ====================================================
pause

who is hans

crosire?

no thats patrick

unfortunately hdr with vulkan requires exclusive fullscreen in this game

and alt tabbning puts you in borderless

so modding vk is a pain

[balmy surge]

• https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton
• https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/dxil-spirv
• https://github.com/KhronosGroup/SPIRV-Cross

same dude, basically

if something isn't decompiling/recompiling, he'll care

he's building a Vulkan => DX12 translator, apparently

or is it the other way around

other way around, since it's proton. but proton for windows would be interesting

the number of people who deep dive this stuff is probably less than 20

javascript/web is the same way. you think it's hundreds of people, and it's not. the same 10 people over and over

[flint crater]

https://tenor.com/view/patrickstar-spongebob-funnygifs-no-thisispatrick-gif-5374126

[flint crater]

Vanilla / New RenoDX Defaults / Match SDR

[tribal hatch]

whoa, there's still some work to be done for this one? or just new settings for the latest version?

[flint crater]

Beta Build 6:

• requires motion blur on
• not all tonemap shaders done yet
• mod overrides the in-game settings
  Changes:feat(rdr2): overhaul tonemap, color grade, defaults, presets; add gamut compression

[tribal hatch]

time to test 🙂

[flint crater]

removed recommended cause defaults are now recommended

good thing I finished making changes cause now I can't launch the game

[tribal hatch]

wtf, gallery has that spam message

[flint crater]

can't connect to rockstar

[tribal hatch]

i had that memory error last week with rdr2 which hadn't happened in awhile
had to start in safe mode to fix it

[flint crater]

haven't run into that in a while

just rockstar service not connecting

[tribal hatch]

looks amazing, Musa

[warped mountain]

i like that game

bad story but good gameplay

[stray plume]

Gameplay was the worst part to me. Other than guns feeling a bit better than the first, it was substantially worse in every other way. Idk how it was received so well, it was truly a precursor to everything that went wrong with Youngblood.

[warped mountain]

its not really a shooter

its more like a stealth game

[stray plume]

It’s an ass stealth game

[warped mountain]

i can understand people dont like it though

you can check the speedrun of Mein Leben difficulty

[lime lintel]

Wolfestein 2 i liked it tbh 🤣

[warped mountain]

its basically how the game should be played ngl

[lime lintel]

The decapitation survival was something unique ngl! 😂

[stray plume]

Yeah if had a lot of cool stuff in it, I just thought it was horribly designed.

First game is awesome though

[lime lintel]

Right now I wouldn't mind a Wolfestein 3, I would enjoy it

[warped mountain]

the gameplay is very different from the first game

First game is basically a good cod campaign to me

[lime lintel]

Considering the last good COD campaign was BO2 not encouraging! 😬

[warped mountain]

i think mw2022 is decent

and bo6 is actually good

[lime lintel]

Actually BO6 is not bad either

[stray plume]

Even the good COD campaigns are just slop to me.

[warped mountain]

vanguard and mw2023 are dogshit

[stray plume]

Like critically examining fast and the furious, I just don’t care lol.

[lime lintel]

Let's see BO7

[lime lintel]

Ahahahahah man I laughed so hard

[warped mountain]

there were cod campaigns that contain very good story

[lime lintel]

Let's talk about Toretto introspection pls

It reminds me of De Niro as the young Corleone 😂😂😂

[lime lintel]

Tell him! @stray plume just snobbing "street art" COD campaign

[sterile ruin]

bro thers a bunch of decent campaigns after bo2

AW wasnt bad, IW was good, BO3 was okay but nothing special, MW2019 was really nice just because of how different it felt and how well HDR is implemented in that

mw2022 is also decent

mw3 sucks ass, cold war was okay, bo6 was alright too

but yeah BO1 and 2 campaigns have a special place in my heart

[river willow]

Cold war was fun. Plus the branching story was kinda novel. I haven't played 6's yet

[sterile ruin]

[slate wren]

better than being a primate (you 🫵 )

[sterile ruin]

Ape together stronk

[sterile ruin]

pulling my hair out rn trying to get DLSS overrides to work in this game

[river willow]

What are you trying to use? NVapp or DLSS tweaks?

DLSS tweaks you can grab the generic version from nexus. The red dead specific version hasnt been updated in a while.

[sterile ruin]

Nvapp and dlsstweaks both failing for me

When I use them DLSS is completely gone from the ingame menus

[tender osprey]

Rockstar games version

[river willow]

Ohhh I had that before. Right uninstall dlsstweaks if using and then reset your graphics settings by deleting settings from documents/r* games

[sterile ruin]

What the shit

Okay

[river willow]

You may have to change your API back to dx12. Vulkan defaults

[slate wren]

workd ootb for me

[sterile ruin]

i had it work in the past

wanted to try reno so i had to switch from vulkan to dx12

having issues ever since

[river willow]

I use dlss tweaks with the quality override to set ultra quality to 100% (dlaa). Then I can have dlaa as a toggle in game without having to force it in nvapp

Dlsstweaks should expose the ultra quality setting in game

[white oyster]

nvidia app works just fine for me with dx12 @sterile ruin so its def possible

[river willow]

nvapp works fine, you just aren't able to set auto exposure. Transformer gets artifacts without it on

[white oyster]

what kind

maybe i have them and wasnt sure why

[river willow]

white flickering / artifacting that can happen at night time or bright scnes in snowy areas

[white oyster]

ohh interesting

[slate wren]

can you add the snapshot directly on github ? discord links are finnicky af

[flint crater]

would require setting up a whole thing and then pushing it to the main branhc of my repo every time I wanna do that

I'll just finish it this week

and push it to the main repo

[slate wren]

you should always dew it people love your work my 🐐

i always tell my friends : look musa released a new banger

[lime lintel]

"Red Dead Redemption 3 will probably happen"

[tender osprey]

in year 2070

[lime lintel]

I actually think it will happen around 2030

[pliant dock]

[white oyster]

Red Dead Revolution, set during the Civil War

could be kinda sick

[white oyster]

is it normal for the LUT to take away tons of color? if i set LUT scaling to 0, it looks way more colorful than 50 or 100

[lime lintel]

I doubt as LUT scaling should be referred to blacks...But what do I know? 😄

I've never seen any RenoDX mod where look scaling was affecting colors tbh

[white oyster]

weird, maybe its somehow affecting visual mods i have installed

lut strength 100

LUT strength 0

[lime lintel]

There is something wrong 100%! @flint crater? 🤔

[lime lintel]

This seems to be a visual bug to me

[white oyster]

idk if its a visual bug, i have WhyEms visuals mod as well as the dynamic seasons mod

right now its winter

and the LUT strenght 100 seems to set it to the "cool" winter colors/tonemapping

whereas LUT strength 0 sets it to default/vanilla

idk why theyd be interacting like that tho, i kinda thought renodx would just apply ontop of the mods and not affect the mods much

[lime lintel]

Honestly I have no idea what is happening in that Pic...Is it something that you can see "gradually happening"? I mean, if you put LUT scaling to 50 does it look like a color tone "in between"?

[white oyster]

yeah lol

i can do 75 and it looks more "cool" but still has more color than if its set to 100

im gonna test some stuff with those mods disabled

[lime lintel]

I doubt Renodx would conflict with any MOD which is not altering the LUT

[white oyster]

no visual mods, LUT strength 100

lut strength 0

not sure if this is the intended effect from Reno's LUT? perhaps it is? looks very yellow, attleast where im at

[lime lintel]

It's weird, I have no idea what is happening

[lime lintel]

This image is desaturated and it's missing contrast

It seems like a filter is being applied

[white oyster]

yeah it looks way nicer with LUT strength 0

[lime lintel]

@stray plume what do you think? ☝️

[stray plume]

Idk I didn’t make this lol

[lime lintel]

I know, but how can LUT scaling do that?

[lime lintel]

But it's LUT streght or scaling I don't get it?

[stray plume]

Maybe if the LUT encoding is different for the modded LUTs

[lime lintel]

If it's LUT streght it could very well be

[stray plume]

Or rather, if musa changed the encoding, then all modded LUTs would be broken if they’re just textures.

[white oyster]

its called LUT strength

i mistakenly called it LUT scaling at first

[lime lintel]

Because here you wrote Scaling

[white oyster]

yeah i thought it was called scaling then i double checked in the UI

its called LUT strength

[lime lintel]

Ok

[lime lintel]

LUT strength should be related to the intensity of color grading, so I think it's normal, why would you even touch it?

[white oyster]

cuz in the CP2077 RenoDX i use, LUT strength defaulted to 50, and it defauled to 100 for the RDR2 mod

i wanted to see what it looked like at 50, and thats when i noticed the dramatic color difference

idk why it looks like a yellow filter is applied when its turned up, odd

not sure if i like it

this scene looks really nice and moody with lut strength 0

but when i set it to 100, it kinda ruins it

(my screenshots look like shit cuz its converting them to SDR, looks way better in person fyi)

[lime lintel]

We should wait for Musa and he will tell us

[flint crater]

It works

The yellow filter is how the game looks

That’s why I hated the game’s hdr

On my phone rn but iirc whyem’s visuals looked awful in hdr

I tried it like a year ago and it was extremely deep fried

[white oyster]

it looks gross lmao it looks way better with LUT strength 0

@lime lintel u had that issue with the weird flickering shadows at the edges of ur game, right?

https://imgur.com/8d7QdJ3

like this kinda

install this with LML and itll fix it

it sets DirectionalScreenSpaceShadowQuality to 0.0 in the systemsettings which fixes that bug

[lime lintel]

With Vulkan I no longer see it

[white oyster]

yeah its not a problem with vulkan

im still using RenoDX tho and im on DX12 so i still have the bug

that mod fixed it for me

[lime lintel]

I'm confident @balmy surge will bless us soon for Vulkan 😬

[white oyster]

hopefully one day

[lime lintel]

I knew GTA would fuckin get delayed again!

https://tenor.com/view/ogwlz-stewie-stewie-griffin-cry-lights-off-gif-17570084188856375483

[sterile ruin]

@flint crater would you say the new default recommended settings are better or Match SDR button? having a hard to to decide rn

[tender osprey]

Default

#1413570163789266954 message

[sterile ruin]

Yes i know that the default settings are now equal to the recommended button

[flint crater]

Defaults

Match sdr is pretty crushed

[sterile ruin]

i see, yeah im currently meesing with defaults + some small adjustments

i dont like 0 blow out

the sun has like a yellow ring on the edge with that

blowout 1 makes that much more pleasant

also is there a way to disable this fucking Rockstar overlay

its bound to the same button as reshade

i remapped the reshade overlay button sometimes i still press home out of habit and for some reason the game crashes with a out of memory error when its opening the rockstar overlay

[warped mountain]

play the special sauce version

[sterile ruin]

the wat

[warped mountain]

🏴‍☠️

[sterile ruin]

kek

i just want to remap that overlay key

or remove it entirely