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[echo ridge]

Update ur reshade

Jesus

[glad mauve]

[lyric cobalt]

I tried

update my reshade to 6.7.1

[echo ridge]

With add on support

[echo ridge]

do you have a hdr screen

Have you turned on hdr in windows

Are you using reshade with proper add on support

[lyric cobalt]

so now I need to do is just replace the addon file,thx guys I will solve it by myself

by the way,should I rename the ReShade64.dll to d3d12?

[grave tiger]

what

[crystal thistle]

@halcyon meteor wuwano, Augusta's ult clamps

When she grabs her big sword

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-to-stop-gif-9416155803997449261

He can't get that one meaning?

Meaning he not available rn?

[wet crane]

what

[crystal thistle]

Ahh, and do you?

[verbal schooner]

@halcyon meteor aemeath story quest shader thats clamping

[lyric cobalt]

Finally it worked thx guys,you give me such a lot help

I reinstalled the whloe game AWA

then every thing looks good

[echo ridge]

I have augusta

[shy gyro]

I'm pulling my friends out of rtx hdr, to use Reno instead

[wet crane]

Not all heroes wear capes

[shy gyro]

One of them can't use rtx hdr already because he's in windows10

😄

[echo ridge]

I did not see any clamping

So weird

Maybe u grab ut

It

[dusty tiger]

What was the broken shader even for? Just curious.

[shy gyro]

The stable addon had not released yet?

Take your time, it's kuro's fault anyway

I'm gonna enjoy my 7$ McDonald meal😋，tomato cheese burger with 4 nuggets and small fries small coke.

[shy gyro]

!

Nice

[rustic oriole]

So no more crashers? Noice

[echo ridge]

cr*shers are not welcome here

[rigid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/crush-soda-orange-soda-can-of-soda-orange-soda-gif-8874256619568594373

[shy gyro]

When cutscene ends the screen is not fully black

I can still see rover's face in a really dark picture

Is that a transparency problem?

[echo ridge]

expected

won't fix

[rustic oriole]

@halcyon meteor

UI Toggle Hotkey doesnt seem to support unction keys rom 13-24

also the ui toggle works perfectly XD
Iam using it in junction with the alt+c wuwa ui toggle

ty

[rigid yoke]

very normal

it's like background HDR bleeding

[rustic oriole]

wrong chat 😭

[echo ridge]

@glad mauve started playing 3.1 story qhest

Immediately hit by kino realtime cutscene

[glad mauve]

[echo ridge]

god damn

shit keeps getting better and better

they're supermaxxing usage for RT reflections

ever since this shit came out

[rustic oriole]

Is it normal that I get this error but I can still play the game?

Sometimes I can still contgrol my character

it happens in this spot only

[echo ridge]

i love trashformer's output

looks almost pre rendered

[vital moss]

2?

[echo ridge]

you sure as hell ain't gonna see those tiny particles with trashformer 1

[rustic oriole]

whats transformer 2?
dlss 4.5?

[vital moss]

2 takes too much of a penalty for my potato laptop :/

Would probably have to use ultra performance

[crystal thistle]

@echo ridge do you have this one?

This version right here is clamping

[rustic oriole]

Is hdr working here?

something seems off but idk what

Only happens in the new regions (that spot so far hm)

[rigid yoke]

look at the graph almost at 200nits range

means yes it looks off something must be bugged

[rustic oriole]

This area seems to be fine

I notice the color changes and stuff too when I mess with da sliders

[grave tiger]

?

max nits is 816

[rustic oriole]

hm. also is this guiding puzzles blocks supposed to be this bright?
If anyone did these puzzles in sdr or something could u lmk??

[odd plaza]

They're way less bright in SDR

Coincidentally found the same one

[rigid yoke]

so it's getting blown out in HDR

[rustic oriole]

Yah idk y

[foggy mica]

i just move the DLL to another folder :3 nearby

[rigid yoke]

what's the solution to AutoHDR not working in videos?

i mean how to test if Video AutoHDR is working without going through the Main Story?

[echo ridge]

Probably can look at the video shader today

After i get my chocolate pistacchio latte with protein cold foam

[vital moss]

Not iced?

With gluten free milk

[echo ridge]

of course its iced

thats implied

[vital moss]

My bad queen slay 💅

[echo ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/snap-okurr-fierce-mm-hmm-i-got-tea-gif-9254715530417713564

[echo ridge]

@halcyon meteor not sure if you've seen this one

is your github up-to-date

im going to deal with this and the video shader

also

what was the solution we had

to tackle the fade to black/white

hmm

cause the issue when it was identified was that they changed from sampling the lut texture

to literally sampling a black or white texture to make the screen fade to white/black

[echo ridge]

right

I can probably slap it on every output shader

no issues if I do that right

[echo ridge]

Yeah guess theres just the extra cost of checking if the lut texture is white or black every frame

[echo ridge]

I'll try to use a 3 sample version instead of 9 sample for the fade deteciton

lets see how that goes

[echo ridge]

• patched extra 3.1 shader mentioned here #1411110125732892807 message
• patched video shader. video AutoHDR should work now
• (experimental) lut fade to black/white detection. in-game cutscenes should fully fade to black/white instead of a partial fade.

[echo ridge]

@glad mauve random thought

what if i slop in a small amount of perceptual grain

to deal with the noise when autohdr-ing videos

[glad mauve]

sure

but you might want to experiment with the newer code

it allows you to use thicker noise

or change the look of it

[echo ridge]

Newer code where

[echo ridge]

hmm okay maybe I'll just play with the built in functions

wanna keep it simple

[echo ridge]

aight this slop deband better work cause im slapping it in endfield if it does

[tepid pendant]

@echo ridge is RT required for the DLSS 4.5 denoiser?

Because with no RT, the results are funny, unless the denoiser doesn't work at all on my end.

[echo ridge]

dont know dont care

[tepid pendant]

Fair point

[echo ridge]

u could try toggling on rt

and see for yourself

lol

[tepid pendant]

Yeah, I changed the engine.ini, will try tomorrow

Cba to get on wuwa today anymore

Such a shit game.

[echo ridge]

u mean the one i just got out?

[frozen token]

The dlss 4.5 denoiser isnt perfect anyway I still see artifacts with full rt Dlss perf to 4k

[echo ridge]

add dithering and minor amounts of film grain to reduce banding artifacts in videos

[glad mauve]

Me and Spiwar maintaining sloppas

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

[dense adder]

the fade to black detection looks like it's working, thanks for adding it

at least for the start screen, it looks good

[echo ridge]

the start screen doesn't need fade to black

ur uh hallucinating ehe

[dense adder]

[echo ridge]

login screen with addon before lut fade fix

[dense adder]

yeah it's noticeable around the 7 second mark

like you said the start screen doesn't need it, it's hardly a big deal

it's only kind of distracting for cutscenes, still not that big a deal but i still appreciate it lol

and i understand if the next patch breaks it and you don't want to deal with it again

[dusty tiger]

Appreciate the fade fix 👍

[queen sail]

Thank you so much for the frequent updates. This game looks so good in HDR.

[rigid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/not-worthy-hail-waynes-world-gif-10000321

[crystal thistle]

My sincere apologies sire, I did not try it yet because I'm not home yet, but is augusta not clamping anymore?

When she grabs her big sword

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-to-stop-gif-9416155803997449261

[ebon hearth]

then test it when you're home

[rustic oriole]

the new fusion set tacet field entrance also seems blown out?

[wet crane]

looks fine to me

[rustic oriole]

oh hm

[wet crane]

if you mean this one

[rustic oriole]

jthe double fusion one

I think das da one

[wet crane]

yea

[rustic oriole]

wats that? heatmap?

[wet crane]

yea

[rustic oriole]

Liluin>

[wet crane]

SKIV

but Lilium's work fine too

[rustic oriole]

alr

how do u read a heatmap???

like what sshoujld i be lookinmg for

[wet crane]

anything that's not blue is a highlight aka brighter than the paperwhite value or well 100 nits in this case

the reddest part is the brightest

[rustic oriole]

oh

[burnt oyster]

damn i played the quest

gonna play it again in HDR

just got my S90F setup today

double emotional dmg

[crystal thistle]

Congrats bro

[burnt oyster]

Frost map is still clamping?

Guess i'll wait a few days then

[echo ridge]

@wet crane ayy mat is well written and shit but why are we ||playing gathering wives on our adoptive daughter||

[wet crane]

it’s gathering || daugthers ||now

[wet crane]

what do you mean?

[echo ridge]

it sounds like someone did not update

[echo ridge]

• patched additional shader during ayy meat's quest

[echo ridge]

Anyone who played this story quest with autohdr

I weep for you

Holy fucking SHIT

[verbal schooner]

waiting for renodx was the right decision as always

kuro blessing us with actual in game real time cutscenes

[echo ridge]

All the conversational stuff

Is directed

As well

Fuckholy

@glad mauve the hype delivered

Especually after the extra dogshit 3.0 story

This is like

Actual PEAK

||THE FUCKING SINGING CUTSCENE IS NOT PRE RENDERED||

[glad mauve]

UE4 custom slop stays winning I guess

[true bay]

couldnt wait

[rigid yoke]

if you out of all the people says it's peak then it is, just hope they make it the standard for the rest of the future lol

[echo ridge]

my friend described it best

[glad mauve]

WTF is going with 3.1

Did they hire some competent writers

No more Rover glazing and wife collect-a-thon

[echo ridge]

rover has actual characterization

instead of being a self insert

[glad mauve]

IN A GATCHA????

impossible

[echo ridge]

this is like easily top 3-5 stories in gacha

and a good story even outside of gacha space as well

easily mogs especially after my palette is soured by endfield's story

[glad mauve]

[verbal schooner]

actually redeemed lahai roi for me after the disappointment of 3.0

[echo ridge]

3.0 was so dogshit it got people losing hope of the game's direction

is it just gona be gathering wives

wish fulfillment

rover glazing

from now on

• the game's performance getting extra dogshit in lahai roi

got people miffed on the game

i personally got like fucking 35-40fps walking around in lahai roi

but yea

[faint monolith]

They sacrificed the production capacity of version 3.0 to develop version 3.1

[echo ridge]

yeah they literally set themselves up for failure

its gonna be real funny if 3.2

[verbal schooner]

dunno how they could even put out something like 3.0 when they had 3.1 peak cooking in the background

[echo ridge]

im glad they didn't ship the hdr

because we would likely be bitching about the implementation

instead of playing this

oh yeah there was an extra video shader

in the story

I had to dump the shader and then alt F4 immediately

I ain't experiencing this shit in less than peak condition

[verbal schooner]

too bad the boop wasn't real time, but at least the transitions were pretty seamless

[midnight tide]

my take on the whole 3.1 story will be definitive once I know what will hapen to Aemeath

if this basically have no consequences like previous stories of the game, then my appreciation of 3.1 will greatly decrease

[sour sorrel]

However I still give Kuro credit they deserve, chapeau bas

[midnight tide]

I agree this is, for now, the best story we have in this game period

[sour sorrel]

And I need the replay story feature more than ever now

[sour sorrel]

Agreed

[midnight tide]

but if they try hard to show Rover in an imperfect light, but he still manages to somehow save her with no trouble or no consequences

then I'm out

[echo ridge]

guys

[rigid yoke]

wait there was no replay? so some youtubers do record ALL their 6hrs gameplay

[echo ridge]

do not respond to him

[sour sorrel]

!?

[echo ridge]

your best move is to stop reading this

and finish the story

before i accidentally spill something

[midnight tide]

who's he talking to ?

[sour sorrel]

…

[echo ridge]

im definitely not talking to you

[sour sorrel]

…

[echo ridge]

definitely

[midnight tide]

anyway characters dont have to be saved all the time by rover

that's one the thing which bothers me with the story

if it still happens this time i'll be mad for sure

[echo ridge]

you really should stop talking and finish the story

im this close to spoilering you

[midnight tide]

I actually did but feel free to let me know if I missed something

||because afaik, she is still savable||

[sour sorrel]

I’m confused

[midnight tide]

so maybe im missing something idk

[echo ridge]

u should spoiler tag that

but yea if you finish the story and think ||she's still saveable then ok||

[midnight tide]

wdym "ok" ?

those are litteraly Rover's thoughts too

bro is dead certain there's a way

I understood what is happening to her

[echo ridge]

i think thats like copium from he/her part

but

[midnight tide]

I can understand that

and that would be great

if this is the case

[echo ridge]

• patched one additional video shader

[echo ridge]

Then we'll know in some distant future then

Would be extra funny

If this was all bait

And luukes story quest

[midnight tide]

Like I said, my definitive take on the story will depends on her fate

[echo ridge]

We'll save ayy meat

[midnight tide]

if it stays as his, the story would be golden

[echo ridge]

Thats also a reductive take since the entire story isnt just her

[midnight tide]

I agree but like I say my issue with the game as a whole is Rover's savior complex

which needs to be toned out a bit

so of course the story has very good moments

but this one is important TO ME

more than the others

[dusty tiger]

Rover would have died many times in the story at this point if not for other characters.
They get saved almost as much as they save others.

[echo ridge]

^

[midnight tide]

I dont think Rover can die

in that way

[echo ridge]

i was talking about this with my buddy

this plot point is over abused

[midnight tide]

I actually disagree because this is not really what I meant

[dusty tiger]

We don't actually know though.
So you can't just assume.

[midnight tide]

so cant you

[echo ridge]

no im not talking about what u meant im talking about the rover saving

[dusty tiger]

I wasn't? lol

[midnight tide]

what I meant is you dont HAVE to save everybody, rather you have to deal with the fact you cannot save everybody

the fact that rover got saved by other character

has nothing to do with this statement

you can have a savior complex

and still get saved by poeple

[dusty tiger]

They didn't save Phrolova

[midnight tide]

that's why I loved 2.5 until she reapeared somehow

so you cannot say he didnt save her

he didnt save her YET

[dusty tiger]

It's in her resonator profile that gets released before new characters come out that Phro can't die (as far as the researchers can tell)

But Rover didn't know at that time that Phrolova couldn't die.

[midnight tide]

In Phro case, saving her doesnt mean preventing her from death but rather making her give up on her dream because it's unachievable

I guess there's an argument about Rover failing to do that

but the "YET" is very important because we actually dont know

if she's dead set on that, or she's willing to give up on it

||TBH if Rover fails to save Aemeath this time around I would appreciate the story even more and would glaze it to oblivion||

[dusty tiger]

We'll find out eventually.

Unfortunately there are limitations to what a gacha story can/will do by nature of the game's monetization.

They'll almost never kill off a character for that reason.
Or if they do, they'll come back as some Super Saiyan form later.

[midnight tide]

Honkai Impact 3rd did that very well with Himeko

and that was by far one of my most heartbreaking moment in a video game period

because you saw how a character's fate can influence not only a character but the game as a whole

but ofc it's one of the few games which did that in the gacha scene

[dusty tiger]

And that is pretty much the only example of it ever happening unfortunately.
And for whatever reason companies appear to be afraid of repeating this sort of event.

[midnight tide]

Yes it's a special case, but I wonder why gacha compagnies dont take risk to do it

the video of Himeko's death went viral after its release

before GI made gacha mainstream in the first place

[dusty tiger]

I think that gacha companies see themselves as reliable steady income for the company and "risk" is the opposite of reliable.
They don't care if the product is "good" they just care if the income is consistent.

It literally explains every choice HoYo has ever made (Kuro is a little less bound to this. But still hold fairly close to this ideal it seems.)

[echo ridge]

Its fine if she gets brought back later

A character doesnt have to stay dead as long as the payoff was already fulfilled

Look at yakuza

No one is permanently dead in yakuza and it still has one of the best stories ever

[dusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/xmuB.gif

[midnight tide]

I just dislike the idea of a perfect main character managing to save everyone

it kills momentum and expectations

the idea that Rover is imperfect has been slowly developed but it's very slow

[dusty tiger]

Fair. I'm not a massive fan of it either.
But my expectation for a gacha story is kind of in the dumps from the start tbh.
I just come back for the gameplay and combat events/resets.

[midnight tide]

Yakuza case is definitly a different case tho

[midnight tide]

||Yes I agree. At the end of the day I still like 3.1 story a lot, but if Aemeath could stay "dead" I would appreciate it even more. It would translate to Rover truly being an imperct being, who's trying to accomplish his mission without sacrificing too much||

[echo ridge]

Not really

[midnight tide]

I will tell you why

because in Yakuza characters remaining alive does serve a purpose

they're being usefull for another part of the story

helping the game to develop on others aspects and part of the scenario

||imagine Aemeath is "saved" and come back. What value would it bring later ? She probably wont even be seen again after lahai roi. Or maybe for an avengers fight at best. ||

[dusty tiger]

I'm not done the current story so I can't comment at this time.

[midnight tide]

oh ok I thought you were done mb

dont read too much spoilers

[dusty tiger]

I'm not worried about spoilers.
I just don't have context atm to form a thought on the direction of the story atm.

[midnight tide]

lmk when you finish it, because im curious to know if Rover is just coping or not

[echo ridge]

she can just hang around

[echo ridge]

yeah no

have you played y7

[dusty tiger]

I mean, it's gacha.
It's about a 1 - 2% chance that any character stays dead.

[echo ridge]

she can play a similar role to kashiwagi did in y7

be there and bing chilling

[midnight tide]

not yet

[echo ridge]

as long as the emotional payoff was already done its fine to bring them back

thats why you can see character literally shot point blank

or 100% dead

but pop up later in yakuza

and its still a great story

[midnight tide]

short term emotional scene does not bring any kind of value to me unfortunatly

[echo ridge]

its about the lessons learned and the character growth/revelation

not just one scene

[midnight tide]

it has to involve some kind of long term emotional burden for me to actually care

[midnight tide]

if the character doesnt disapear from the story, the "lesson" will be quickly forgotten

[echo ridge]

the growth was still there

[midnight tide]

I can see where you're coming from tho

[echo ridge]

you're looking for a specific path the story might go to

and if that does not happen your appreciation of the story will change

but its not a binary

[midnight tide]

admetting he does "save" her, what kind of lesson does Rover learn regarding her specificaly ?

[echo ridge]

if aemath comes back = story not as good

if aemath doesn't come back = story good

[midnight tide]

basically yes

[echo ridge]

there are gradients to where ayy meat can come back

its all about execution

so its not really a binary thing

[midnight tide]

fair enough

but bringing her back with poor or mediocre execution is likely regardind the context of what's actually hapening to her

[dusty tiger]

I think when writing fiction you can have ideal outcomes but they need to come at some sort of a cost.

[midnight tide]

I agree

but also I do like bitter sweet endings so there's that

if they can explain proprely the chost rover has to pay I guess i'd be fine bringing her back

[echo ridge]

oh wow

i got an SSR in ayy meat's banner

WOW

30 ROLLS IN

LETS GO

oh.

like ~50-60 roll ish for two *5

it wasnt so bad

@glad mauve when you did the HDR sun for midfield

was it a pixel shader

look at this slop

[glad mauve]

yep

sun was packaged as part of the skybox shader

it wasnt a texture

they generated it solely via shader

I did the following

1. Made it brighter
2. Added more bloom solely to the sun
3. Added a subtle corona effect
4. Decreased size of the disk by 30%

After that adjusted the lens flare or whatever other effects there are applied on top

I really hate 2d lens textures applied to most suns, they rotate with the sun because theyre basic billboards and it looks dogshit

[echo ridge]

well fuck the hlsl decomp for the sky/sun stuff is like 60kb

[glad mauve]

dafuq

[glad mauve]

FNV water shader is 50KB

[echo ridge]

it's really early in the pass

[glad mauve]

dafuq they doing

[echo ridge]

like draw less than 100

actually the 2D flare effect itself

is 60kb

the sky i just draw undraw above is 38kb

wth lol

[glad mauve]

You know whats funny, ubislop Ghost Recon Breakpoint does grading at about the same spot as here

They really cooked with that one

unclamp from SDR and every other shader breaks with NaNs

[echo ridge]

wait

[glad mauve]

Who the fuck does grading at the beginning of the pipeline

[echo ridge]

ubisoft

apparently

also

since this is lijke

SM6 decomp

im not gonna get griefed

by 3dmigoto right

its not dx11 decomp

[echo ridge]

well something changed alright

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-finally-good-food-chef-gif-11616250

looks like i celebrated too early

the moon is a separate texture I can just do a brightness boost on

but the sun is calculated as part of the fucking skybox

[glad mauve]

smort

luv when they do that

[echo ridge]

the flare shader they're using for the sun is also used for many similar lens flare effect

I can just boost this shit

[glad mauve]

ITMslop

or just do 3x

[frozen token]

Wonder if it has anything to do with luno agusta ults

[glad mauve]

booootiful

has a defined edge

that isnt too solid so it looks like a 2d ahh plate

but not the dookie that was vanilla

[echo ridge]

thats like a 10x

also i need to increase the sun bloom to compensate since boosting the sun disc itself seems to reduce the bloom

actually that might be fine

[wet crane]

I mean yea it looks weird, but the default sun looks even worse rofl

[wet crane]

I got her in 60 pulls too 💪

[echo ridge]

@glad mauve look at this slop

the moon isn't visible in vanilla and gets easily occluded

[glad mauve]

[echo ridge]

new moon/sun can still be occluded by the cloud

but its brightness can now shine through

[glad mauve]

SDR brainrot be like

it all gets clamped away anyways

why bother

SDR hue shifting in Midfield hides seems in distant mountains and terrain

[echo ridge]

It'll settle with this seems like a good value

[glad mauve]

slop central

[echo ridge]

oh i get why i never noticed the slop moon now

its cause of the flare texture they were using

[wet crane]

you can always replay it on your story only alt account

[echo ridge]

time to boost the slop texture

[wet crane]

wait wtf

it's not the artificial sun turning into night mode?

makes no sense

[echo ridge]

the sun/moon is composed of the sun disc

from the skybox

• the flare texture on bright lights

[wet crane]

yea btu that's a normal real life moon texture

there is no real life moon in lahai roi

it's an underground region lol

[echo ridge]

yea ik that

[glad mauve]

wtf is that

eww

ok I get they want to make the moon more unique

but that lens aint it

[echo ridge]

they use a different lens flare for each region

luckily

all of this is controlled by the same shader

i can just

indiscriminately boost

[wet crane]

Somehow? Phrolova is 100% immortal, and she literally can't die lol

btw there is a 100% chance that || Rover is going to save Aemeath in 3.3/3.4 which is the end of the lahai roi arc ||

[echo ridge]

i once again rejoiced too early

i see the flare texture is in t2

I boost t2 -> nothing happens

I boost the entire shader's outout -> nothing happens
I changed the shader to do literally nothing -> the flare is still there

[glad mauve]

brilliant

what if

its like midfield

and you have the wrong shader

becasue the 'sun disk' that matched visually with what the sun was doing

wasnt actually the sun texture

it was controlling some other fx

[dusty tiger]

Pretty much.
This doesn't say exactly that she can come back from obliteration. But she can re-grow organs.

[echo ridge]

well undraw/drawing it did remove the flare

but i could change the entire thing into a no-op, load it in and it will still show a flare

so cooked

[echo ridge]

@glad mauve well fuck me i can't find anything else

maybe its the decomp really fucking me over

i'll try another decomp method

[glad mauve]

so much for muh decomp aint broken

[echo ridge]

i'll try spirv decomp

i dont think its a decomp thing

OKAY

new idea

if this shit doesnt work im throwing the towel

[glad mauve]

I am sorry

9x

[glad mauve]

just rage quit

[echo ridge]

im this close

okay

lmao

something changed

im not going crazy after all

[echo ridge]

@glad mauve i am indeed being griefed by decomp

[glad mauve]

[echo ridge]

compile withou any changes

bloom all gone

[glad mauve]

time to asm

then reassmebly into .shdr then .cso

[echo ridge]

ok how do you do that

[glad mauve]

take dumped .cso

convert into .asm

decompiler will do that

edit .asm

then after you're done reassemble. It will only generate .shdr but its identical in btye code so you can just rename to .cso

Current decompiler .exes just do the whole process to dump .hlsl for you

but you can tell it to just dump .asm instead

[echo ridge]

u mean the sm5 decompiler?

[glad mauve]

yh

[echo ridge]

what's the command for sm6 decompiler

[glad mauve]

I am assuming its the same with sm6

but I dunno

[echo ridge]

ya can u paste the cmd here

[glad mauve]

no

figure it out yourself

[echo ridge]

[glad mauve]

cmd_Decompiler.exe" -a

is what I run

this will gen only .asm

[echo ridge]

what if

we just use the disassembly from the devkit

[glad mauve]

what ever werksTM

[echo ridge]

yea

gg

my towel is thrown

im gonna go cook dinner

• (experimental) increased sun/moon brightness by 6.7 times

[echo ridge]

https://youtu.be/sMEUrhZxLnI

[dusty tiger]

Is this supposed to look bad or something? What's the issue?

[echo ridge]

there is no issue

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-war-in-ba-sing-se-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-no-war-there-is-no-war-gif-15884087966518847999

[burnt oyster]

we got new one?

peak

i downloaded the one in pin yesterday

[rustic oriole]

[wet crane]

https://tenor.com/view/dazzling-supernatural-glaring-blinding-bright-gif-20385074

[burnt oyster]

anyone got their hdr clamped in roya frostland?

reshade 6.7.1

pic in lahairoi

pretty sure i downloaded latest pin

[raven parrot]

opus

[grave tiger]

holy shit 2122 nits autohdr

you messed up something on your end, mine works fine

[raven parrot]

this shits cooked

insane color clipping

i see the vision tho

looks awesome when APL doesnt kick in

kek

ABL*

[burnt oyster]

ok i'll try again ig

[grave tiger]

are you using dx12?

[burnt oyster]

yes

this is the one you're using?

[midnight tide]

"somehow" was meant in a sens that it was never explained how

she just reapeared out of nowhere at the end of Rinascita arc

no explanation, no fucks given

Also, it would sounds bizarre to me that Rover "can" die but not Phro

[burnt oyster]

tried installing again both reshade and the file

doesnt seem to work still

weirdge

dlss 4.5 preset M

[grave tiger]

dlss doesn't matter

[echo ridge]

te sun is supposed to be bright

[burnt oyster]

ye that's what i assume

[echo ridge]

probably will keep it that way

[grave tiger]

dunno what to tell you

maybe delete reshade ini

[echo ridge]

yeah i will probably patch that slider

to only go to 1000 nits

[burnt oyster]

already did

hmmm

[grave tiger]

yeah uh more than 1000 is questionable

[echo ridge]

spec for inverse only goes to 1k so yes

[grave tiger]

I dont use more than 600

[frozen token]

So wait my OLED has a full screen peak of 460ish. That means I should set my peak to a higher value because my screen will only ever get that bright in white flashes and stuff?

[grave tiger]

peak should be set to peak 2% window

around 1000 nits usually

[frozen token]

Oh

[grave tiger]

if you are using peak 1000 mode on the monitor

tb400 is 400 nits peak

sometimes more

[frozen token]

This what gpt said

Here are the actual measured HDR peak brightness values for the Gigabyte AORUS FO32U2P in its DisplayHDR True Black 400 mode (which is what you’re asking about, not the Peak 1000 mode):

🌟 HDR True Black 400 Mode (real-world measured results)

• Peak 2% window: ~ 1019 cd/m² (nits) — this is the small-highlight peak where you’ll see the brightest points. (RTINGS.com)
• Peak 10% window: ~ 459 cd/m² (larger bright areas logged) (RTINGS.com)
• Peak 25% window: ~ 364 cd/m² (RTINGS.com)
• Peak 50% (half screen) and full screen: ~ 307 cd/m² and 254 cd/m² respectively (RTINGS.com)

What this means: In True Black 400 (HDR mode with more accurate tone mapping and APL set to medium), the FO32U2P easily meets and exceeds the VESA DisplayHDR True Black 400 requirement (400 nits) for small highlights — especially in very tiny bright objects — but for larger bright zones the average falls closer to 350–450 nits. (RTINGS.com)

📊 Quick Summary

• 🔆 Small-highlight peak (~2% window): ~1019 nits
• 🔆 Moderate highlights (~10% window): ~459 nits
• 🔆 Mid-size highlights (~25% window): ~364 nits
• 🔆 50% APL: ~307 nits
• 🔆 Full screen average: ~254 nits (RTINGS.com)

OLED panels like this can hit very high peaks on tiny very bright areas (2% windows) due to per-pixel light emission, but on larger APL content the brightness is limited by power/thermal constraints and APL stabilization — so you’ll get much lower sustained nits on big bright scenes. (RTINGS.com)

If you want readings for the Peak 1000 (High APL) mode too, just let me know!

https://tenor.com/view/case-oh-caseoh-flash-bang-gif-14288249271888208717

[frozen token]

MY I HAD NO IDEA

[grave tiger]

i dont see any tb400 mode measurements

for peak 1000 set 1000

[frozen token]

I dont use that mode

It just dosent list every source

[grave tiger]

Ok so tb400 for your monitor should be around 480

[frozen token]

Yes

Does the windows calabration thing affect any of this?

[grave tiger]

only the peak brightness set by reno

but you should do it anyway on windows

[frozen token]

Once again why does ui brightness fuck with everything

O wait i think it was something to do with my dlss fix not being done properly

Lmme go check that

Ah I cant have any driver overrides

ok how that wasnt an ista crash before is beyond me

[vital moss]

True black has less "sparkle" no?

[frozen token]

True black mode has way more accurate colors/contrast and blacks

I think it was

I did a bunch of comparisons back when I got the monitor and decided it was best

[vital moss]

Couldn't find much of a difference myself

[grave tiger]

tb is more accurate than peak 1000

peak 1000 boosts eotf tracking

which means less accurate

[vital moss]

Gigabyte will add eotf boost dunno if that helps

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-monitors/gigabytes-new-oled-gaming-monitor-debuts-hypernits-brightness-tech-so-are-screens-with-regular-nits-now-second-best/

[grave tiger]

not really its a hack

just like the msi one

its the oled panel so you cant really do a lot

[frozen token]

We just have to wait till preople do revewis on it

[rustic oriole]

In some spots yes

V specific spots

[burnt oyster]

well my tv didn't beat my m1 max brightness so idk if regular oled monitor can reach that HDR Punch

this doesn't look close enough

[burnt oyster]

all the spots i teleported to has it

😭

[grave tiger]

small tvs are not that much better than monitors in brightness

55+ size gets you more than 2k nits

[vital moss]

Yep

They really give the best bins to TV

And worst most awful ones to monitors

[vital moss]

i have a tandem one it's pretty close just the whites could have a little more punch to it

[burnt oyster]

g5?

[burnt oyster]

ye this is 55 s90f qd

dont have the money for higher tier like s95f/g5 so gg

i've never used a flagship tv so i felt like i should give it a try first

feels pretty good so far

i dont think i need more than 144hz/165hz

motion clarity is superb

[grave tiger]

yeah rtings says s90f is 1.3k nits

surely lower than mbp miniled

[burnt oyster]

didnt expect the diff that much tho

but ye

ig it's just come to panel strengths

[rustic oriole]

I think that Iam having the same problem now huh

also why does vanilla + / hdr look so diff? like the colors look VERY diff is it supposed to be like that?

[burnt oyster]

not that diff for me

i just use hdr look usually

i got it working for a bit

then i tried looking at the sun

then it clamped again

tried teleport back and forward but won't work again D:

[rustic oriole]

oh what??

[rustic oriole]

in 3.0 area?

[echo ridge]

Yes...?

If they're the same why even have two presets

Lmao

[wet crane]

HDR Look uses 50% grading strength while Vanilla+ uses 100%

[burnt oyster]

3.1

[echo ridge]

favorite shot probably

the bokeh simulation goes crazy

[grave tiger]

yeah wuwa does it pretty well

[echo ridge]

for ue4 completely trash motion blur defaults

I guess we got a pretty sick dof back

[midnight tide]

someone knows how to disable ingame denoiser ?

[frozen token]

r.AmbientOcclusion.Denoiser=0
r.Reflections.Denoiser=0
r.Water.SingleLayer.SSRTAA=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.BilateralFilter=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.ScreenSpaceReconstruction=0

[midnight tide]

many thanks !

[sour sorrel]

I’ll add smth from myself as well

[midnight tide]

The new region is cool, but ngl I still think 1.1 area is better

the soundtrack alone makes it better

[rustic oriole]

[tepid pendant]

Wasted potential*

[midnight tide]

Idk I like it way more than 3.1 area

maybe you can enlight me on how wasted its potential is ?

[tepid pendant]

Map is empty, the map has a ton of weird broken down buildings that don't make sense and only serve their purpose for puzzles, the small city, or rather town at that point feels dead as is out of place, and is immersion breaking when you actually think about traveling around the town on foot, massive Jue statue for no reason, and no other buildings that can represent that its the original Jinzhou, and where Jue first appeared to guard the city? Or however the lore goes. Massive red tree in the middle of the map? Tree pretty, but why?

You're welcome to have your opinion, but objectively 1.1 map is ass.

Also big shout out to the worst puzzles that 1.1 has!

[midnight tide]

I disagree with pretty much everything you said so "objectivly" is definitly the wrong word here

except maybe the puzzle

[tepid pendant]

Again, you're welcome to have your opinion, but nobody has agreed with you.

[midnight tide]

i couldnt care less though. My opinion still stands even tho nobody agrees with me

that doesnt make you right

or anybody here right

it's a matter of taste and preference that's it

[tepid pendant]

Last time I heard, 1.1 map is universally hated.

[midnight tide]

you should not use strong word like this to illustrate your take buddy

especially when it's wrong

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1omydwk/more_than_one_year_later_and_mt_firmament_is/ just to name a few

[tepid pendant]

Reddit my favourite place for opinions.

[midnight tide]

I'm done arguing, have a nice day

[grave tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

[tepid pendant]

Reddit users think that RTX HDR is a godsend tool.

[ebon hearth]

nonetheless 1.1 has many downsides but the map is cool for me, objectively the new region is better

but pulling reddit car is ass no that place is like x

[midnight tide]

I will not reply again to the « objectively » which is wrong as I said, but ok.

But even tho reddit has some degen on it, when its a matter of taste and preference I dont see how this is a bad source to get info from

This elitism mentality I see on this discord and elsewhere is disturbing

[tepid pendant]

They love RTX HDR

Should tell you enough about their taste.

[midnight tide]

Which is objectively (this time it’s correct) worse than reno dx or native hdr

Liking a map for its overall art direction, soundtrack or design better is a matter of taste

[rigid yoke]

y'all fighting for nothing, one person edges the other and other retaliates

one should accept "objectively" and one should do "accept opinion"
simple

[midnight tide]

This is not the question. Saying « objectively » is like saying that I’m wrong for having this opinion, because it is factually incorrect . Which i disagree with.

[tepid pendant]

It is factually incorrect though.

[midnight tide]

But I’m fine being the only one here preferring this zone

[tepid pendant]

1.1 map is the worst map.

[midnight tide]

There lies the disagreement

And I dont see how we can elaborate further hence why i said im done

[tepid pendant]

Are you?

[midnight tide]

I can still reply to someone else if the argument is refutable

But with you, im done

[tepid pendant]

Are you?

[midnight tide]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[tepid pendant]

See, you keep returning to me.

[glad mauve]

@echo ridge remember my shitpost vid

[tepid pendant]

Nvm forge is here, I dip.

[glad mauve]

this is that moment

[midnight tide]

[rigid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/plis-dont-let-my-ass-gif-13520942

this going nowhere neither y'all have diff criteria 💀

[rustic oriole]

3.1 map keeps clapming / getting cooked for me? (hdr)

[rigid yoke]

prolly unfinished shader thingy thingy that wuwano needs to do first

[lean moon]

just finished 3.1 story it was amazing ngl

[vital moss]

I wish we had a off topic channel

It's constant fighting and doomposting here lol

[tepid pendant]

There was no fighting here

And doomposting is reasonable, look at the current state of the game.

[wet crane]

I agree with RedSkylls. I personally don’t love the 1.1 map(I think it’s okay), but people like different things. Trying to convince someone that what they like is actually bad is pointless

[queen sail]

On a lighter note; I just got an achievement called "Do submarines dream of data seas?".
I love, when devs know their audience.

[echo ridge]

I agree with him

Not on the map

But 1.1 ost is

Banger tier

Ayy meet ost sounds good in the context of the story and the video

But listen alone its kinda fucking mid idolslop

Thaw of eons on the other hand

https://youtu.be/uEWTyTQf4as

[lean moon]

this ost is such chill one with sunset looks awesome

[tepid pendant]

I was only talking about the map

Kuro hits it off with ost's most of the time

[limber dune]

the 1.x music was all pretty good, then 2.x was kind of boring? and now we're at some of the best music in gacha

the nameless explorer boss track is just perfection

[grave tiger]

cart and augusta ost were pretty good

[burnt oyster]

well it seems the new map is clamped at any time that isn't 7AM for me

🥀

are the people having no problem using steam or kuro's launcher version

@rustic oriole

can you try this and see if it works?

[rustic oriole]

Iam on kuro launcher

[rustic oriole]

Make time 7AM? Aight

[echo ridge]

buddy

[echo ridge]

nobody knows where you're at

if you dont provide a map location

[echo ridge]

• not experimental anymore. Added HDR Sun as a toggle

called hdr sun but it will boost moon too

anything that uses the same shader basically

[raven parrot]

do i see clipping?

[echo ridge]

... the sun is supposed to be bright and clip earlier?

[raven parrot]

bros comparing it to real life

[echo ridge]

i didn't have to pull up a reference until u surprised me with the question

u should know how a sunset would look from memory

[raven parrot]

what i was saying was that in HDR SUN OFF the very edges of the sun have some nice contrast, when its toggled on it loses that slight detail and becomes pure yellow, removing that game detail

still looks nice tho

[raven parrot]

i havent looked directly at the sun since like

idk

since my eyes hurt

sunsets tbh dont remember, skyscrapers n mountains blocking it

in the end its just an option in the menu, better an option then no option

[raven parrot]

but am i delulu or u seeing what i seeing

[echo ridge]

you wouldn't be able to see the edges in sdr slop either

so technically hdr sun would be more accurate to the director's intent™

[raven parrot]

that looks better, are you saying that the previously uploaded video was in SDR?

that was why it looked off?

[echo ridge]

no

it means in this game SDR you wouldn't be able to see that much detail out of the sun either

so HDR modifying the sun to have it brighter and clip out early instead of letting you see the detail is more faithful to the original vision

[raven parrot]

KEK

[echo ridge]

more faithful to the game

more faithful to real life

its a win win

[frozen token]

The sun should definitely clip

[echo ridge]

ya it always looked weird to me I just never bothered changing it until now

[frozen token]

Does any of this affect Luno/Agusta ult?

[echo ridge]

dont know

cant be bothered

u can try it out yourself

[echo ridge]

extra weird when the sun has a lower brightness than the ground reflecting the sun's light

[frozen token]

Oh yah I was just looking at that

[echo ridge]

yeah once you see that

you can't unsee it

physically impossible

[rigid yoke]

i test iuno later, don't have August

[echo ridge]

i would have boosted the sun/moon even more but i couldn't boost the flare texture associated with it

so whatever

[frozen token]

Shit that last patch was big enough to cause a recompile

Whats the difference between cranking Exposure vs Game Brightness (IN RENO)

[tepid pendant]

Game brightness only changes the gamma level?

Or at least that's what I've heard

[echo ridge]

where did you hear this

[tepid pendant]

I'm not exactly sure, but it might have been reddit.

Hence the question mark at the end of it

Not even sure myself lmao

[echo ridge]

in the context of reno it should be the same

unless you try to use a very stupid value

[frozen token]

Ah you can also crank Exposure higher than 2 if you type a costom value

[echo ridge]

exposure 1.0 game brightness 200

exposure 2.0 game brightness 100

exposure 0.5 game brightness 400

[frozen token]

It almost comes out like that

[echo ridge]

yes

dont worry about it

i never touch exposure

[frozen token]

Left is Exposure 2.0 Nits 200 Right is Exposure 1.0 Nits 400

Right is less bright due to math

They bolth do the same thing

[crystal thistle]

Augusta's ult still clamps

[burnt oyster]

like most location in the new map

i think i haven't found a place where i'm consistently not clamped there

[wet crane]

Nice contrast?! It’s supposed to look like a hot glowing disk of death not a pancake with thin edges

[wet crane]

There is a single transition frame during Phrolova’s ult that clamps too

[burnt oyster]

aye new big patch

🥀

hope nothing break again

location

[raven parrot]

thats irl

in game usually thats not the artistic direction

kek

[wet crane]

bad looking sun is not an artistic direction

it looks somewhat okay in SDR

[rigid yoke]

so like exposure is for OLED? so abl dimming doesn't kick constantly

nvm game brightness does the same thing

[wet crane]

but it’s way too dim and weird looking in HDR

but we need is a sun brightness slider

instead of a toggle

[echo ridge]

sorry to tell you

thats a you issue

[burnt oyster]

aight, i'm just asking if there's someone who have similar issue or it's just on my pc

are you on steam or kuro's launcher anw ?

[frozen token]

Im I crazy for setting exposure to 3

[glad mauve]

thats 3x the game brightness

equivalent to setting game brightness from 203nits to 609nits

[midnight tide]

@wet crane you're playing with RR preset E, or dlss 4.5 preset M with built in denoiser off ?

[frozen token]

RR shouldnt work woth M or L

[midnight tide]

it doesnt

I meant, either using RR with preset E, or just regular dlss with preset M but built in denoiser turned off

because it seems dlss 4.5 have somewhat of a RR component built into it

(hence why we dont have a 4.5 preset for RR yet)

[frozen token]

Wonder if it will come out with the Framegen 4.5

[midnight tide]

it is possible but you never know with nvidia...We're still waiting for reflex 2

[frozen token]

REFLEX 2

[wet crane]

M with denoiser off

[echo ridge]

thats intentional

I'm trying to find something that clamps but is shared with phrolova's ult

hoping one of you will report it back through gameplay

[echo ridge]

the artistic direction is not have the sun itself be lower brightness than the indirect light it emits

SDR does that because both the sun and the thing the sun lights are clipped

in HDR there is a mismatch

we're fixing that mismatch

what you're clinging to is the after effect of upgrading to the hdr pipeline without adjusting all the assets

but if you want the inferior experience that's your call

[glad mauve]

or you could go the strat of some games not even having a sun disk at all because the sky / hue clipping clips it all away anyways so why bother adding in a sun

Endfield has godrays coming out of the sky which has no sun

not even a smidge behind the clouds or something

nada

because its all clipped away anyways

then again, HDR now also exposed seems in the enviroment because the artists working on the game on their shitty LCD display using SDR couldnt see the seems

its all hue clipped and sort of blends together

[echo ridge]

its okay people want the authentic experience

we should go back to the most authentic

tonemappass(untonemapped,tonemapped)

no hdr sun

no asset fix

240p AO

[frozen token]

If you open this in crome its hdr

[midnight tide]

cannot wait for them to introduce their "proper" HDR

[frozen token]

[echo ridge]

Oh about that

r.HDR.GlobalHDRNitsMax=1
r.HDR.GlobalHDRNitsMin=0.7
r.HDR.GlobalLGUIHDRNitsMax=1
r.HDR.GlobalLGUIHDRNitsMin=0.7
r.Kuro.LGUI.HightlightThreshold=1
r.Kuro.LGUI.KuroTonemapA=60 
r.Kuro.LGUI.KuroTonemapB=0.79
r.Kuro.LGUI.KuroTonemapC=21.4
r.Kuro.LGUI.KuroTonemapD=64 
r.Kuro.LGUI.KuroTonemapE=0.01
r.Kuro.LGUI.KuroTonemapF=0.36
r.Kuro.LGUI.LGUIContrast=1
r.Kuro.LGUI.LGUIExposureLimit=1
r.Kuro.LGUI.LGUIGamma=2.2
r.Kuro.LGUI.LGUINitMax=0.45  
r.Kuro.LGUI.LGUINitMin=0.3
r.Kuro.LGUI.LGUISaturation=1

Game variables for their hdr implementation

Currently does nothing for now

[latent violet]

The thing I love most about wuwa renodx is the bloom slider, thank you very much for that

[raven parrot]

what does bloom do

[latent violet]

Bloom makes things look like they glow

[frozen token]

Was just driving the bike around and didnt realize the put the void worm back

till I heard the boss theam

[sour sorrel]

Rr in wuwa what

How do you do that boss

[midnight tide]

add these commands to the engine.ini under [/Script/Engine.RendererSettings] :

r.AmbientOcclusion.Denoiser=0
r.Reflections.Denoiser=0
r.Water.SingleLayer.SSRTAA=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.BilateralFilter=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.ScreenSpaceReconstruction=0
r.NGX.DLSS.DenoiserMode=1

And drop the latest RR dll into your game folder

open nvidia inspector and select preset E for RR

[sour sorrel]

i should keep in game rt on right?

[midnight tide]

Yes