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[wet crane]

when her area effect is active

[midnight tide]

yes

but this is obviously better with Mornye

[wet crane]

i'm definitely pulling Mornye

if the leaks are true then she is a must pull kit wise too

[midnight tide]

well idealy I would pull her with carte and lynae

but right now I think Lynae will be skipped

[wet crane]

I'm going to have like 200 pulls at the end of 2.8

[midnight tide]

BP is carrying you mate

[wet crane]

I won 50/50 early

xD

[midnight tide]

I'm not mad

[wet crane]

we are going to get another 200 pulls in 3.0

I'm sure

[midnight tide]

humm in one patch ?

[wet crane]

yes ofc

[midnight tide]

was it the same in 2.0 ?

[wet crane]

ye

[midnight tide]

good news then

if that's true

[wet crane]

oh wait no

fake news

it was 150

[midnight tide]

exploration included ?

[wet crane]

yes

[midnight tide]

oh this is if you can clear everything

which is not my case

[wet crane]

yea

[midnight tide]

I guess I have Lunite to compensate

[wet crane]

I can safely skip the guy character and maybe Lynae

[midnight tide]

we got less pulls for the anniversary which was not normal hopefully it changes this year

[midnight tide]

I will skip the remaining cast until the pink haired girl tbh

[wet crane]

Lynae is an universal buffer tho 💀

[midnight tide]

I feel like with 200 pulls you can safely get these two

[wet crane]

yea I don't like the indigo haired girl and that red haired phoebe 2.0 either

[wet crane]

• weapons

i need the weapons too

[midnight tide]

right

[midnight tide]

yes we will have time to recover after 3.0

but I think you wanted to pull Augusta too ?

[wet crane]

I kinda want to get Buling tho

that's 80 crystals

[wet crane]

yea...

but she can wait I think

[midnight tide]

yes I think so too

[wet crane]

I'm not a huge fan of her I just want an electro dps

[midnight tide]

I will get her eventually

but she's not hyping me as much

[wet crane]

3.0 looks nice tho

the map

and the QOL stuff

[midnight tide]

correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Lynae is BiS for Iuno and augusta ?

[wet crane]

she is using the bike 😭

[midnight tide]

I told you

even less likely to pull now

[wet crane]

she is yea Lynae -> Iuno -> Augusta rotation

at least for now

[midnight tide]

so we're going in a premium three stack team trend

very worrysome

two premium char was already bad enough

[wet crane]

but Mornye is maybe just as good

we need to wait for the calculations

and for the end of the beta

[midnight tide]

yes wait and see but this bike animation is a no no for me

[wet crane]

this standing o nthe rainbow thing is the lamest tbh

her forte is "sugar coating" lol

[midnight tide]

at this point it's fitting the overall character design tbh

not suprised

[wet crane]

I guess

but yea not a fan

[midnight tide]

Feel like a skip for now and wait for rerun

[wet crane]

she can fly lke this ? 😮

kinda cool

[midnight tide]

I must say she looks very good but I cant help to criticize Kuro's choice regarding weapons and element

broad blade and fusion I mean

rectifiers and electro would be more fitting but oh well

@wet crane what do you think of the character in the new teaser ?

[wet crane]

the pink haired girl?

[midnight tide]

Yes

[wet crane]

idk

[midnight tide]

Design wise i meant

[wet crane]

decent I like the hologram effects

but I'm not a huge fan of her outfit

it reminds me of sword art online which I hate

[midnight tide]

I knew it lmao

Bro is gonna be disappointed till 4.0

[wet crane]

maybe xD

Chisa's outfit is actually very decent

it fits her character

nothing fancy either

[wet crane]

Cyberpunk colab!

3.6

I mean it's really not the best outfit

[midnight tide]

Character appareance matters more to me than the collab itself tbh

[midnight tide]

I mean it's a bit over the top but I kinda like it

this is way too saturated tho on this screen, the overall colors will be darker

[wet crane]

ofc but Lucy is definitely going to look cool

it's just a raw render

similar to LUT str 0%

[midnight tide]

Yes but I like the character more than other designs we had so far

maybe Mornye is better

but that's it

[wet crane]

she kinda acts like a new born baby in the trailer but we will see

she is probably some kind of artificial resonator

[midnight tide]

have you seen the theory around her ?

[wet crane]

no

[midnight tide]

nobody see her except Rover and she has no shadows on every scene

[wet crane]

oh yea

that was super obivious

[midnight tide]

just speculation but kinda interesting

[wet crane]

nah thats like 100% true

that other guy was checking his measuring device/phone

he detected her frequency

[midnight tide]

some said the voice we heard on the radio at the end of 2.8 is her

that would be dope

[wet crane]

yea maybe

[midnight tide]

nobody heard the voice except rover

[wet crane]

yea we will see

[midnight tide]

so basically she's the sentinel resonator of 3.0 ?

[wet crane]

her tacet mark has 5 stars tho

not 6

there is no sentinel resonator imo

because there is no sentinel in that region

[midnight tide]

make sens

I mean are we sure ?

[vital moss]

Finally native hdr

Although probably reno will be better still

[glad mauve]

como?

Kuro is adding HDR for 3.0

[verbal schooner]

native HDR path means I can stop crashing with dlssfix

wuwano got us covered if they mess it up

🙏

[glad mauve]

wow

so theyre really adding HDR

inb4 its just UE bog standard HDR

yh I suppose we can now do HDR path properly to fix FG issues once and for all

[normal falcon]

really? can you give the source? either chinese or english is fine

[glad mauve]

^

I didnt check lmao

[sullen hawk]

what preset do you guys prefer? having a tough time deciding between vailla+ and HDR look haha

ohh nice HDR for 3.0, hopefully it's decent!

the music for WuWa in the last MSQs have been chef's kiss

[drowsy wolf]

where do u guys even see hdr support

[echo ridge]

Make a bingo list

"No peak white adjustment"

"No diffuse white adjustment"

"Missing original grading lut"

[glad mauve]

missing grading

Their grading is ass though

[echo ridge]

"Somehow aces tonesniffer is in there"

[glad mauve]

so who cares

LMAOces

[echo ridge]

"Black level mismatch"

[glad mauve]

This toggles ITM btw

[echo ridge]

"Contrast hacks to fix black levels mismstch"

[vital moss]

Just a toggle

no adjustment

[glad mauve]

SDR in a HDR container

[vital moss]

69420 adjustment for their shit filter though

[glad mauve]

RDR1 memes

[echo ridge]

^

Also that

Inb4 this is just a toggle for unrealhdr

[clear holly]

Apparently light color eyes are more sensitive to light.
No need for an expensive monitor lol
Well idk, I have no issues being in bright sunlight for hours, just take a bit for them to adjust

[shy gyro]

they made changes

The first launch of ray tracing doesn't have rt shadows

They didn't say they changed gi but base on the speech they posted on bilibili's unreal engine account, they use screen probe from hardware lumen

Because path tracing have noise issue and super slow

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Racing time

[echo ridge]

we already covered this

they also made the same talk in japan

[shy gyro]

I see

I hope they have fine-tune in hdr setting

Or else I will still use Reno

Highlight 100 is perfect for exploring the map

[echo ridge]

zero chance

kek w

[shy gyro]

😭

Daily mission : Fight against dlss random crash (1/1)

[echo ridge]

just dont crash

i dont think i've ever crashed in this game in the last few patches

[shy gyro]

In my early case in 2.8 the frame rate dropped to 2-3 fps then crash

Right now it still drop to 2-3 fps but recover after 20second

[echo ridge]

dont use frame slop

dont use dlss fix

dlss fix can't fix the trash frame slop implementation

[shy gyro]

I see

[clear holly]

I remember RT causing crashes in earlier 2.x versions
wasn't even using FG slop at that time

[echo ridge]

Yeah that was back then

Now its just frameslop crashing

[echo ridge]

@wet crane lmao playing thru this story

This senpai shit is cringemaxxing

[verbal schooner]

chisa is just kuro going full weeb and japan is loving it

😂

[echo ridge]

im getting second hand embarassment with this one

🤣

also

@glad mauve rasterslop could never

all the baloons are full RT reflections

[clear holly]

Wow, truly game changing, let me sacrifice 10fps for rt reflections alone

Only area I enabled them was for the rivers in Avinoleum area, for MSQ

Rt shadows is a joke, barely more crisp (not even realistic, doesn't seem to have accurate penumbra depending on light source size and distance)

While raster shadows with PCSS can look better than this

RTGI is great though ofc

[vital moss]

I love my wifes 🥰🥰🥰

[burnt oyster]

do we have a setting enable the RTGI only

can't rmb

[burnt oyster]

nvm it does

https://imgsli.com/NDMyOTgx

you're right

not sure how much fps i gain since it's capped but more fps is nice

[faint monolith]

performance consumption has increased too much

[wet crane]

what's performance consumption?

[faint monolith]

Hardware performance consumption

I remember that during the 1.0 era，RTX 4070 could maintain a stable 4K 60FPS

[midnight tide]

With RT and a 7800x3D/5090 I have around 80 fps in Honami on 4k dlss Q which is pretty bad honestly

Unreal engines games have always been a mess optimization wise

[wet crane]

Honami is very demanding yea

I get around 90fps at 3840x1600 DLSS balanced - medium ray tracing

with a 4080

I had to switch to medium

it looks better now

I mean medium RT looked horrible pre 2.8

[coral thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrxdtuJVfrE

Maybe we should spam survey with change of engine?

[dusty tiger]

You can't just change the engine. XD

Would be nice if you could though

[midnight tide]

Yeah changing the engine is not happening

[midnight tide]

It’s UE4 in wuwa but it’s pretty much the same mess

[alpine orchid]

At one point the game ran flawlessly

[sturdy cloak]

Well, although nothing is ever impossible, and there some rare examples of it happening, it would be a monumental undertaking, and most likely not worth the effort. Considering the big amount of content already there and the demands of an ongoing live service game, that seems pretty much undoable.

[alpine orchid]

I think they crammed a bunch of extra stuff on lol

[sturdy cloak]

Yes, the first half of 2.x ran pretty smooth I think.

Although the boosted .ini for increased settings probably doesn't help...

[vital moss]

Nah tbh the game always ran like shit

But i feel like early 1.x almost fixed it

We never will get those levels of performance again

[foggy mica]

wtf does childlike even mean in this situation XD

[foggy mica]

yap, she reminds me of genshin style of clothing, the lewd chinese fantasy style that doesn’t have martial arts design, but it’s a style i end up hating ever since genshin popularized it

[echo ridge]

the extra stuff was better visuals

and a lot of interactive physics effects

what did people expect lol

[alpine orchid]

Yup lol everything has a cost

[clear holly]

It's not that, ragunna run fine with new rtgi and physics stuff etc, while septimont is bad, sanguis plateau and new area are even worse

[dusty tiger]

idk I find that Ragunna runs worse now than it used to.

[clear holly]

Idk if it's worse but is has shader stutters when you move around for the first time since you launched the game

[echo ridge]

only new physics stuff is added with septimont and further

each area has improvements in density that makes brings the performance down

so yeah it is that

[clear holly]

The leaves and stuff ? That doesn't really impact perf when you are not around lol

Well increased density sure, but that's a bad idea

[echo ridge]

its just better looking areas over time

other games have done it too

wuthering waves is just doing it at a faster rate

[sturdy cloak]

Wait what ? Where did that info come from ?

[midnight tide]

I’d say it’s about the same for me at Raguna. But every 1.x areas run pretty smoothly and are well optimized

Raguna is still a mess I get between 70 and 120 fps depending on the areas

[clear holly]

Well, imagine 1.x areas running at 60fps locked on PS5, and newer areas running at 30fps lol
Or some smartphones running 1.x but not newer zones

[lean moon]

good to know the 5080 is close to the 4090 nvm there is link

[lean moon]

Yeah but it was also was while back so newer games favor blackwell more, i guess it also depends on the settings usually the 5080 gets a bigger benefit from dlss upscaling closing the gap between the 4090 and the 5080 compared to Dlaa/native (maybe something bandwidth related and new tensor core as well as rt core at play here)

[midnight tide]

The 5080 has a huge overclocking headroom

I wouldn’t set my expectations according to the hardware unbox results

They usually dont overclock their card

And you can gain up to 15% more performance with a decent overclock

[lean moon]

it is true but gaming benchmarks are usually done in stock so isn't really relevant

[midnight tide]

I was more talking in a buyers point of view hypothesis

But if this is just theory then yes

The vram increase and the few more fps is not worth the price

[drowsy wolf]

5090 also if u use the xoc bios

[midnight tide]

the power consumption becomes not worth it imo

im actually heavily undervolting mine

still faster than stock

[wet crane]

undervolting is the only option

you can save off 100-150W

[midnight tide]

for the 5080 it's different as you can gain a significant amount of performance without too much power consumption

the card was obviously nerfed by nvidia to not make 4090 owners look bad

[midnight tide]

Yes, just the vram amount makes the 4090 worth it for those who need it

[drowsy wolf]

I use the xoc bios for 1000w

[lean moon]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-fine-fail-burn-dog-gif-5848141

[midnight tide]

bro ?

you're doing this with a single hpwr connector ?

you're kidding me ?

[drowsy wolf]

yea

single

is fine as long ur cable is high quality

im voltage limited with 1000w

[midnight tide]

I dont think so, the cable is rated for 600w

the new asus card has 2 hpwr connector for a reason

and has 750w max tdp

[drowsy wolf]

as long each cable are balance fine

it would be ok

[midnight tide]

bro is playing with fire good luck

[lean moon]

i guess if it works it works but how do you game with this doesn't it feel like sauna?

[drowsy wolf]

is winter and - 13 outside rn

[glad mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-souljaboy-soulja-boy-huh-soulja-boy-tyga-gif-4086522772699119831

Bro is playing as if PC parts arent in the stratosphere atm

I wish you the best of luck

but if the shit blows up

[midnight tide]

first time im seeing a guy pushing its hpwr beyond all limits

[glad mauve]

its giga over

[midnight tide]

im too scared to even use 500w

bro is doubling it

[drowsy wolf]

i did it for 4090 also

[midnight tide]

???

4090 at 1000 w ?

[drowsy wolf]

yea msi suprim liquid cooled 4090

[glad mauve]

equivalent but for GPU

[lean moon]

just curious though how much do you gain for this massive powerdraw performance wise?

[drowsy wolf]

12%\

[lean moon]

Amazing

[glad mauve]

bought a 5090

will use the full power

hes no quitter

[midnight tide]

12% for double the power is not worth it

[glad mauve]

maybe for you

[lean moon]

that like from 80 to 90 fps sir

[midnight tide]

I mean it's his card he does what ever he wants

[drowsy wolf]

i get around 43k on port royal in 3d markj'

[midnight tide]

I mean 3D mark is just benchmark, there is no value doing it other than pure challenge

[drowsy wolf]

it is def much faster in games also

[midnight tide]

but tbh I'm just scared of the melting connecter that's why im being super safe

[drowsy wolf]

debauer made a video about it also

[midnight tide]

if you dont care then it's fine

[midnight tide]

I've seen it yeah but as I said

the increased power consumption is not worth it

in my humble opinion

[drowsy wolf]

if im buying a 5090 am using it full potential

[midnight tide]

I respect that

obviously and you're losing your warranty on top of that

flashing vbios is against constructor TOS

and water cooling it void warranty as well

[drowsy wolf]

i didnt water cooled the 5090 yet and i save the original bios

u can always flash it back

[midnight tide]

only if the card is still usable

but with melted connector sometimes the card is not able to display anything

gl to flash it back

[drowsy wolf]

thats why u get debauer wire pro 2

[midnight tide]

this guy again ?

[drowsy wolf]

nobody else sell something that can read the voltage

[midnight tide]

you're lucky to have saber as your profile pic

[vital moss]

You have one?

[mossy rock]

5090 has the most uv headroom when you flash the xoc bios

because theres a like +1000mhz limit on normal bios

less than 400w in alan wake 2 4k dlss quality everything maxed out

and better than stock performance

i did +1275mhz at 0.865v

[drowsy wolf]

is kinda helping me heating my room

is too cold in winter

[midnight tide]

Kinda want an update in 6 months or so to see if anything has burnt

[vital moss]

If he has a monitor for it I don't see what can go wrong

[midnight tide]

because hpwr connector are rated for 600w max

there's a reason why the asus 5090 extreme version has two of them with a 750w tdp

[drowsy wolf]

is actually called matrix

[midnight tide]

I forgot the name yeah but here it is

[drowsy wolf]

👍

[drowsy wolf]

Nah i have the old on

[proven comet]

are you insane

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[midnight tide]

Bro is out of his mind

[near aurora]

What's up with all the google search results saying you need some third party launcher to use reshade with this game? The only place I found the solution (renaming the dll) was here

[wet crane]

thats the neat part, the power delivery circuit is non balanced, the 5090 does not “support” load balancing 😅

not even the new Asus “super” card, that was recalled btw

its a design flaw

[midnight tide]

the Asus cards (at least the astral that I own) can safely shut down if the power delivery between each pin is unbalanced

preventing any kind of damage to the actual card (maybe the pins could still be damaged depending on how long the card has been running with unblanced tension)

[wet crane]

the rog astral

the new one is different that gets power through the m/b

[wet crane]

yea it can at least detect it

it’s just a workaround tho

we need Nvidia to fix it

I really hope that they redesign the circuit for the 60xx series cards

the 3090 was load balanced

its kinda insane that they removed the protection to save $1/card

zawarudo is using a superclocked 5090 to turn the game into an oversaturated gooner fest 😩

[midnight tide]

They must be tired of the melted connector drama so they might just swap cable all together or maybe use two of them instead of one

The 3090 is not using that much power compared to the other 90 cards so I dont think just fixing the load balance issue is going to do the trick

[wet crane]

the cable is not really the problem

[midnight tide]

Yes

[wet crane]

load balancing is all it needs

there are 6 cables that carry the load

that’s 6x100w

those cables are 16 awg

150w/cable should be no issue at all

the connector should be able to handle 900W safely with load balance

[midnight tide]

The cable is rated for 600w support not more

[wet crane]

the cable is rated by the law of physics not the manufacturer

[midnight tide]

It’s for safety use not theorical use

[wet crane]

I’m. talking about good quality cables with awg 16 “sub-cables”

[midnight tide]

In theory the 5090 can support up to 1000w but we dont allow it

To preserve the card

[midnight tide]

Ah ok I was talking about random hpwr connectors

[wet crane]

cheap low quality cables use awg 18 that are rated for ~9 amp

aka even 600W is problematic

with load balance lol

well its within spec but still

[midnight tide]

It’s actually 675 if you count the 75w coming from the motherboard

But yeah I got your point

[wet crane]

yea true

[mossy rock]

gpus no longer take much power from pcie since last gen

its about 20w

[mossy rock]

that not true though

AIC models of 3090 can pull more power than a 4090

so as all 3090ti

but melting connector for those cards were never heard of

its just a load balance thing

30 series have load balance

[midnight tide]

I dont think that is the point i was trying to make

[mossy rock]

it is related to load balance

[midnight tide]

I was only referring to the cable capabilities in a nutshell

[mossy rock]

520w on a 3090 is roughly about 150w each 8pin and 75w from the pcie

[echo ridge]

balls

[mossy rock]

but load balance was removed since the 40 series

[midnight tide]

520w on a 3090 is unheard of

[mossy rock]

and gpus no long pull than 20w from the pcie slot

[mossy rock]

quite common

3090 is more power hungry than a 4090

[midnight tide]

They were not using the same cable

So i dont see how this is relevant

[mossy rock]

3090ti were

[midnight tide]

Hpwr 3090 ?

[mossy rock]

FE

but FE doesnt pull that much power

[midnight tide]

I see

[midnight tide]

Custom had hpwr ?

I feel like it started only with Lovelace

We’re quite off topic tho

[grave tiger]

testicles even

[mossy rock]

all 3090tis were 16pin

other 30 series FE cards use 12pin which isnt that much different from a 16pin

the rest of ampere were just normal 8pins

[wet crane]

6 pins, and less than 100w/pin

[mossy rock]

well 520w bios is only for 3x8pin gpus

[wet crane]

I mean the 12vhpwr version

[mossy rock]

so 9pins for power delivery in total

[wet crane]

thats even better less than 60w/cable

[mossy rock]

ya

the whole 12vhpwr thing is pretty nonsense

lol

[wet crane]

it would work fine with load balance

[mossy rock]

its way worse than 3x8 pins

sure

3090ti did that

[wet crane]

and its a lot less bulky than 3x8 pins

[mossy rock]

that connector itself is still questionable

they should just use xt90 connector

1 pin

brute forces

no load balance needed

and no melting

[glad mauve]

5cents too much monie

eats into the 1000% profit margins

[drowsy wolf]

i would rather them use triple 8 pins

or even quadro

[clear holly]

@barren garden If you still haven't figured this out since we talked about this the other day 😆
(The ult logo is just missing if not charged, so I guess you can't see it until fully charged, not really an issue imo)

The only thing you can't see is the forte bar status for other characters, but that's usually irrelevant until you control them to do their rotation

[clear holly]

Yeah he's actually pretty mediocre without his weapon or a similar limited 5* star weapon

But yes, swapping characters to do their skill to charge faster their ult and outro is a big optimization, and let you trigger outro closer to each other to optimize their effective duration.

Just have to make sure you trigger the outro in the correct order (bc most outro give bonus to the next character, not team wide, except verina/shorekeeper basically)

Like don't charge mortefi outro then go to verina to finish charging her outro

Phrolova is great, meta but especially her gameplay is fun and look great imo

Though I didn't realize at first you could swap during her ult and let her do it automatically lol

I need the gyaru in 3.x 😩

Noo she is wife material 😔

She doesn't need specific team members

I love her animations, triggering her special attack/skill is 😌

I never took time to properly build him, he's dogshit on my account

Yeah clearly.
Her ult is in a zone and better against mobs with more hp, but her special attack/skill still does ton of dmg and perfect to farm

https://tenor.com/view/danjin-gojo-laugh-wuthering-waves-wuwa-danjin-danjin-laugh-gif-1422097429290737441

Become a Danjin main

Actually good 4star dps

I play her as a main dps sometimes lol
As I have cantarella for phrolova team

I love being at 1hp and shredding enemies 😎

Sanhua is a great 4star too, that can boost basically any dps
Extremely easy to build, as her main thing is her outro. Just build enough ER. Ignore improving skills

Her rotation is so freaking fast. E + ult + charged attack
Simple yet flashy

We'll see. She's electro so idk
Cantarelly is not required for phrolova, but play smoother I guess

She also does have two big "arguments" 😆

The character the most painful to make a team for is zani, need phoebe, or spectro rover but meh

Lol, that's interesting

Cantarella or Danjin or Roccia otherwise

[echo ridge]

phrolova is dead easy to play

and OP

in terms of brain dead combo

phrolova + cantarella

is some of the simplest shit you can play that deals

a fuck ton

[clear holly]

Dead easy but not boring at all imo

[burnt oyster]

there's no real boring and easy character in this game

maybe except jiyan ig

dont have him

Cart is pretty braindead but her optimal rotation is not easy to pull off imo

zani is brainrot press ulti and click but with her best team quickswapping add a lot to the gameplay

phrolova is probably the only char that dominate both Wiwa and ToA

it find she's a weird char to put in the game

[dusty tiger]

Carlotta is pretty brainded. But at least they make it flashy.

[burnt oyster]

oh true

ye carlotta gameplay is not having much variation

sadly

forgot about her since i stopped using her after cart release

Phro doesn't do anything that different to camellya except better than her

at everything she does

maybe except chasing flying enemy

but canterella can do that for her

anyone pulling 3.0

[dusty tiger]

I pull everything...

[burnt oyster]

same

just missing a few char

[dusty tiger]

It depends how much you spend.
If low spender I would use it for pulls.
If you spend enough to get characters then use it for dupes. [or weapons]
(research which characters are worth getting and S1 for. They are not all equal.)

[burnt oyster]

if you want to play and spend minimum then pulls

if you can swipe any character you want then dupes

i'm the first one

however even with 2 big pack top up in the game it's still not enough for me to get all characters i wanted

it might sound small for average gacha spender but not in the long run imo

[midnight tide]

No this game just have a horrible 50/50 rate

[burnt oyster]

i think so

this is by far my worst luck in a gacha game

ig

[midnight tide]

Someone needs to do the math but pretty sure its not an actual 50/50

[burnt oyster]

i kinda wanna save

for monitors

& stuff

[midnight tide]

In every hoyogames it is not at least but it is in favor of the player

[burnt oyster]

true

my experience as well

[dusty tiger]

I was under 50% in HSR. I know that much.

[midnight tide]

I lost like 5 50/50 in genshin in 4 years

I lost that much in wuwa

In 1 year

And in a row

[burnt oyster]

you're pretty lucky in genshin if that's the case ngl

[midnight tide]

I think so yeah

[dusty tiger]

It can happen. Sample size of 1 is too small to make any real claims.

[burnt oyster]

whats ur rate is like

this is mine

i lose so many 5050

[midnight tide]

I need to sign up to this website first

[burnt oyster]

gg

[midnight tide]

I’ve seen a decent sample of poeple complaining about their success rate to think that 50/50 in wuwa is not an actual 50/50

But this is just a belief not a claim

Someone needs to do the maths as I said

Like they did with hoyogames

[dusty tiger]

I'll have to grab it. 1 sec

[burnt oyster]

my issues with those math is who is the one participating in those sample..

[midnight tide]

Large number of samples can do it

[burnt oyster]

maybe if wuwatracker share the data

someone can do it

[midnight tide]

The problem is the sample size

[dusty tiger]

Problem with this is that it was probably all salty reddit players who had low RNG. So the data would be skewed.

[midnight tide]

I dont think basing the calcs just with reddit users would be accurate

[burnt oyster]

character in this game rely too much on sig too btw

[midnight tide]

China’s forum would be a better spot to sample

[burnt oyster]

altho i feel comfortable if i skip a few char i don't like too much

[midnight tide]

Yes fortunately but this is kinda bare minimum

[dusty tiger]

You're not reading what I said.

[midnight tide]

Explain

[burnt oyster]

some very specific support like cia have pretty strong sig ngl

[midnight tide]

I guess it depends on how hard the powercreep goes

[burnt oyster]

phoebe as well

[midnight tide]

Phoebe is sub dps

I think he was talking about pure support like SK

[burnt oyster]

well i wish there's more SK

[dusty tiger]

The people who put the data together were probably those who were already complaining about poor 50/50 rates. Therefore if you put together an average from a sample who already has suspected bad RNG it will skew the data.

You need a true random sample size.

[midnight tide]

for which games ?

[burnt oyster]

that's what i was saying as well

[dusty tiger]

Any game. But I believe you were talking about WuWa

[midnight tide]

I was only talking about my personnal experience regarding wuwa

there were no maths done

[burnt oyster]

need a random sample from those pull tracker site

just pick random 10k 20k

then do the math

[midnight tide]

but you're right it's usually the salty poeple who complain the most

[burnt oyster]

gonna search this up in nga ig

i can access there

[dusty tiger]

Well, here's my history since last install of the game.

[midnight tide]

still better than mine but not good either

it might be just me but in HSR and genshin I was legit winning more 50/50 than losing. Other way around with wuwa

[dusty tiger]

I only lost 3 50/50 out of 8. Literally better than 50%

XD

[burnt oyster]

there's some data here

but pretty old

nov 27 2024

cn did the math

[midnight tide]

and based on three patches

from 1.0 to 1.3

[burnt oyster]

oh i have a better one now

mar 7 2025

https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=43472079

[midnight tide]

I believe the previous one you linked was calculating the soft pity

personal or team wide ?

[burnt oyster]

some sequence are strong in the game yes

if you have the coral to buy them

imo i would prefer saving them for pulls

get more character and more fun

[dusty tiger]

I like the non-interrupt S1s. I don't find I'm needing more dmg very often. But when your rotation gets broken from an interrupt it's cancer.

[midnight tide]

weapon could be used on anyone, unlike sequence

[burnt oyster]

mostly the issues with the game is the free weapon are bad

except some

like the gun

[midnight tide]

yes

[burnt oyster]

even genshin has better 4* weapons

both hoyo game actually

[midnight tide]

problem with genshin, is the devs screwing themselves over by giving players free OP weapons from the start

[burnt oyster]

hsr and genshin i feels like there's a lot of strong option

[dusty tiger]

Anyone playing since 1.0 probably has all the standard 5* weapons at this point too. And they're pretty good.

[burnt oyster]

not the one without the crit rate

[midnight tide]

I agree

[burnt oyster]

it's a pain to build them

[midnight tide]

standard 5 stars weapon without crit rate stats are mid at best

[burnt oyster]

if you get sig on rerun later you have to build different stats, not something most people would want to do

tuner are expensive

you can burn like 1.5k tuner just to get a character to good state

or more

my galbrena on my alt took 3~ 4k tuner

[midnight tide]

I feel like you should just build around your stats more than your weapon if that makes sens

[burnt oyster]

the buff in the game is not inflated so stats kinda matter a lot

my friend's zani does 15% less dmg than my zani just by the build alone iirc.

[dusty tiger]

You can mostly get away with only giving your DPS their sig weapon.

[burnt oyster]

yea usually

[midnight tide]

Iuno is a sub dps and even in that role, the damage loss is quite massive without her sig...

[burnt oyster]

i havent been able to build my danjin yet

can't breathe cuz resource is so tight

[midnight tide]

3.0 around the corner too

[burnt oyster]

they need to improve this system somehow

i can imagine it's harder to build if people pull more than me

more char & need more tuner spread between each

[midnight tide]

whales usually max refresh their stamina so this is not a problem for them

[dusty tiger]

idk. I'm drowning in resources. But I also don't build Standard 5* or 4* characters. So that might be a part of it?

[burnt oyster]

nah bro

whaling for stamina in this game kinda feels bad

even for whales

[midnight tide]

how ?

[burnt oyster]

the return is not as good as say

hoyo games

[midnight tide]

oh maybe then

[burnt oyster]

also some of the later set

is locked behind the field

not the tacet field

5pc set you can spam endless

nightmare tacet isn't

[midnight tide]

yes I dont like this system either tbh

[burnt oyster]

glad they're moving away from it

[midnight tide]

are they ?

[burnt oyster]

3.0 will have 5pc set return

[midnight tide]

roaming in the OW or tacet field

[burnt oyster]

if you already do all nightmare tacet + the echo food

hunt the 1* ones in the set

there's usually 1 3c and 1 1c you can farm ow

unless it's corrosaurus

then you're pretty much fcked

because galbrena use 3c as her main slot

and only corrosaurus has that passive

[midnight tide]

you can lower it

[burnt oyster]

there's like

3 ~ 4 corrosaurus on the map

and one weekly

it feels shit to farm them

glad i skipped galbrena on my main

don't wanna deal with that headache

[midnight tide]

the more I see Lynae gameplay the more I want to skip

[burnt oyster]

i'm lacking fusion rn

so ig i should avoid wasting currency

altho i really want to get more char to play

the game is making it difficult

my plan is to try a bit if i can get lynae early

[midnight tide]

mainly because of 50/50 tbh

[burnt oyster]

30 ~ pulls

ig

then i can pull mornye sigless

[midnight tide]

optimistic

[burnt oyster]

s0r1 lynae -> S0r0 mornye with new standard wep

farm the map for s0r1 new fusion dps at 3.1

[burnt oyster]

that's how i survived most gacha

nowadays i only play stella sora and ww

SS been very kind to me

pure f2p

i quitted all hoyo games

the way char is shilled and they just ruin the fun for everyone else kinda pushed me away

gotta save money for an oled so i can experience HDR

their rogue-like mode takes too long to complete

turn base with battle that last to 30 ~ 45 minute

[dusty tiger]

Ditched HSR after they became abusive to spenders.
Characters that were meta at 2.0 were dead before 2.x even finished.

[burnt oyster]

probably + how basic & blatant their market strategy are

i don't remember games back in days feel this forced

[midnight tide]

OG Genshin had some really big potential tbh

im talking until sumeru basically

the only major problem at the time, was the lack of playable content and end game which was easily fixable but devs are pepega

[burnt oyster]

i quit after inazuma

never experienced sumeru

[midnight tide]

you havent missed anything except fontaine maybe which was kinda good

but Inazuma remains the peak

[dusty tiger]

Someru was trash ultimately. Wasn't worth the time sync.
Only high point was the Scaramouche Boss & theme

[midnight tide]

the Danslief quest was pretty ok too

[echo ridge]

inazuma was trash tbh

fontaine was the only semi interesting one

[midnight tide]

disagree

[dusty tiger]

Inazuma could have been a lot better.
Was kneecapped by low budget / low effort.
Fighting the "army of the magistrate" and it's like 10 guys on a beach. XD lmfao

[midnight tide]

Mobile limitations

[dusty tiger]

Guess I don't like mobile games then

[midnight tide]

Gacha games are mobile games by nature sadly

Most of their revenues comes from mobile

[dusty tiger]

Am happy that WuWa doesn't kneecap the PC version because of mobile.

[midnight tide]

They actually do

But to a far less extent than genshin

[dusty tiger]

A little. But not that bad. My 3080Ti still struggles to get 80fps with RT and DLAA.

[midnight tide]

It’s unoptimized

That is why

[wet crane]

Jinhsi is super boring too imo

[dusty tiger]

There isn't really such thing as optimized RT. XD

[midnight tide]

But devs confirmed they had to nerf 2.7 final fight because of mobile

[midnight tide]

True

[midnight tide]

The nuke is super fun and satisfying

But you have to work too hard for it

[wet crane]

it gets boring fast imo, but her recovery animations are really nice

[vital moss]

big funny number good

But she's powercrept

kinda sad actually

[burnt oyster]

If you play jinhsi changli she's not

Jinhsi zz kinda

[echo ridge]

jinhsi cantarella verina

another brain dead combo

[clear holly]

Ism't jinhsi "gameplay" 50% cinematics ?
Ult and full forte

[echo ridge]

ult

watch cutscene

attack 4

go into enhance mode and attack

skill

watch cutscene

swap

[proven comet]

I just lost 2 50/50 in a row whil trying to get phrolova and cantarella

I've never won a 50/50 on this game

[wet crane]

I feel you 🙁

[sturdy cloak]

My 50/50 was guaranteed, but I just got Phrolova within my first 10 pulls. I'm not usually very lucky at those things. This is suspicious 😅...

Signature within 20. I am now genuinely scared 😂.

[midnight tide]

Check on your girlfriend just in case

[sturdy cloak]

Will do 😂 ! Just as I was about to be assuaged ( lost Cantarella's 50/50), I got a double of her on my nest 5 stars pull so... some reassurances are definitely in order😅 ...

[midnight tide]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[wet crane]

Buling is such a fun character

she would be a 5 star in every other gacha game lol

[drowsy wolf]

she has better animation than yinlin

[dusty tiger]

Probably better dps too... XP

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/rich-happy-suit-gif-25640167

[drowsy wolf]

do you guys know a way to force windows auto hdr in browser?

i tried it but ever time my mouse hover youtube it stop working

[midnight tide]

just use RTX HDR ?

[drowsy wolf]

but then the brower itself is not in hdr?

[midnight tide]

the content inside it is "hdr"

dunno what you mean by "browser itself"

[drowsy wolf]

the browser itself can be hdr meaning all the content website can be in hdr

if you need more info lmk

[midnight tide]

including webpage ?

[drowsy wolf]

yep anything

[midnight tide]

oh then RTX hdr is not going to cut it

I didnt know windows auto hdr allowed you to do this

[drowsy wolf]

it is possible because i can force auto hdr on the website but it refuse to scale in for media consummation

[drowsy wolf]

you need to force it windows itself wont let u use it

[midnight tide]

is it possible then to use both of them simultaniously ?

[drowsy wolf]

like rtx hdr + auto hdr?

[midnight tide]

yes

rtx hdr only triggers on video content

and image aswell

[drowsy wolf]

yes but u can see some annoying delay when watching video

is bearable

[midnight tide]

hmm

[drowsy wolf]

but i would prefer to get auto hdr to work

[midnight tide]

yeah cannot help you with that but thanks for lmk it is a thing

[drowsy wolf]

np

[midnight tide]

regarding wuwa or any other games ?

hahaha it's already enough tbf

if you cook something not long after 3.0 release we would be all happy dw

[glad mauve]

sexy skin modding

[drowsy wolf]

create a laucher for sexy skin mods 🙂

[echo ridge]

No issues

Mod is pretty much cooked

Other than patch changing shaders

Good cooked

[midnight tide]

Wuwa won players voice what a pleasure

Well deserved even tho the game still has issues

[midnight tide]

Wuwa is listening to players which is helping a lot

and is actually getting better overtime

even tho, as I said, game still has problem regarding predatory practicies tbh that needs to be fixed

[pulsar gazelle]

？

[midnight tide]

It went down because of greediness

That’s it

[wet crane]

free astrites yay

but it did not win the mobile category

the horse girls game won

we are getting 1600 astrites, nice

10 pulls

[midnight tide]

Oh very good !

[midnight tide]

This game has a much more dedicated fanbase even tho it’s smaller in size

I’m actually not surprised, rather disappointed

[wet crane]

you mean the horse game?

[midnight tide]

I was replying to this

Yeah

[wet crane]

yea it’s Cygames after all

[midnight tide]

There’re some base stats you need to consider

Every character has 20% crit damage as a base

Hmmm

It would be higher then no ?

Most weapons with this kind of stats have crazy high crit damage

[proven comet]

I hope it will give me cantarella

[midnight tide]

I hope not you filthy rat

[burnt oyster]

i think even if they stayed it wouldn't make a different

wuwa is still a superior game technically

they can twist and do more stuffs.

hoyo moves were optimal for a business but ye it sucks for the customer

[burnt oyster]

they went back farming their hi3 fans ig

i originally played hsr to expect something on it's own

[wet crane]

good luck

[midnight tide]

It was never going to happen

Genshin really changed hoyo for the worse

It wasn’t like that with honkai games

[proven comet]

backtoschool
hittheroad

starchaser

redeeem these codes

[wet crane]

so 3.0 is neon genesis evangelion? colab when?

[dusty tiger]

I'd rather not tbh.

[vital moss]

anyone manage to get reshade and optiscaler to load?

[sour sorrel]

Yep

[wet crane]

me

[drowsy wolf]

are people sure they are adding hdr in 3.0 i didnt hear them mention it at all

[wet crane]

no it was in the beta thats all

it's like RT

it's coming but we don't know when

they are adding even more physic based effects in the new region

another 15% performance hit

[midnight tide]

this wouldnt really matters if they could optimize it correctly

the game is way too demanding for what it actually delivers even without RT

[wet crane]

free 50 astrites

[drowsy wolf]

where do u find the link for it

[drowsy wolf]

did people test it to see how good it actually is

[wet crane]

we have no info

my chisa is finished finally

CR is not the greatest but I don't care lol I'm not willing to spend more resources on her

[wet crane]

So the other new characters:

• Lucilla / School President
• Luuk / Mental Health doctor
• Sigrika / Peta girl

[echo ridge]

wheres the link for this event (im lazy)

[wet crane]

QR code

lol

here: https://startorch.kurogames-global.com

[clear rivet]

hello, is there a way to use multi frame gen with renodx? I'm testing right now but highlights are flickering

[glad mauve]

Caused by Reno and transformer FG

Either you downgrade to FG 3.8.1 CNN (but lose out on MFG) or you can use https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1413548071987576862/1413548071987576862

but be aware that the fix is still jank and CTDs regularly for me

might be after 40mins might be after 3 hrs type deal

[echo ridge]

remember to

read the instructions and install it properly

[clear rivet]

thanks! seems to work perfectly now

with mfg x4

[glad mauve]

I have the standalone launcher for the game

Since it wasnt on steam before

[echo ridge]

Steam

Makes no difference

Tried dlssfix the other day was able to play for 2 hours

[mossy rock]

time to try the chinese server

[clear holly]

When will wuwa get native hdr ?
3.0 ?

So hopefully we can discard dlss fix, if wuwano does hdr path upgrade

[midnight tide]

unlikely it got removed from the beta

probably later into 3.X

[clear holly]

Let's pray the engine.ini hdr toggle would at least be unlocked in 3.0, so you can do some magic
Though would probably be lot of work for something that will get changed again soon..

[dusty tiger]

They removed it from the 3.0 beta?

[midnight tide]

yeah 2 weeks ago. Don't know if this is back tho

[sturdy cloak]

I didn't even know they were working on it😅 ...

[echo ridge]

they realized if they turn on UE HDR their shitty grading LUT will still run and everything will still be clamped

they thought it was easy

"users keep asking for hdr"
"found a flag guys, just add an option to enable the flag"
...
"what do you mean the flag doesn't work"

tbh since their grading LUT still ran we could have patched the ueHDR path from the beginning lol

[raven parrot]

Should reach out to kuro maybe you'll get rewarded :3

[echo ridge]

thats cope

[drowsy wolf]

doesnt cyberpunk just use ue5 hdr people says is pretty good

[dusty tiger]

It's kind of ok. Still isn't great and have to use Reno to fix it.
CP2077 is actually the game that Reno started on I believe.

[echo ridge]

Cyberpunk doesnt use unreal engine lmao

[drowsy wolf]

ye just realize mb

[glad mauve]

Pumbo cant even get Embark to add HDR

Kuro isnt coming here

[glad mauve]

byberbunk 2 will

stock UE HDR

[glad mauve]

RenoDX?????

BANNN

How dare these mfs change our tonemapping

[vital moss]

oh hell nah

[crimson lynx]

The built-in HDR effect in 3.0 is utterly dreadful; I tried it and switched it off straight away.

[echo ridge]

Pics

?

[drowsy wolf]

how does it compared to renodx autohdr and rtxhdr

[wet crane]

it's probably worse than auto-hdr if it's utterly dreadful lol

[drowsy wolf]

if thats the case they might aswell not add it

[dusty tiger]

Might be why they took it out of the beta

[drowsy wolf]

i just dont think company really cares about hdr since u have windows autohdr

[raven parrot]

Wat

[clear holly]

It's in the name, it's automatic
Just don't think about it

[midnight tide]

what about consoles then lmfao

pretty sure some of them do care about HDR but lack the knowledge to implement it correctly

I mean most sony games support natively HDR because of the PS5 not having an auto hdr feature

[glad mauve]

Truly ogre

so whats the guess

Kuro slapped on included UE HDR but their existing post processing still clamped or borked everything

They then tried doing a billion trillion PQ maffs (with fake gamut stretching) as always because le specification

[drowsy wolf]

Getting native hdr is never any games company priority

[midnight tide]

agree but this is not because of auto hdr

console doesnt have any kind of automatic hdr going on

[drowsy wolf]

Yes but because you do get autohdr the priority drops even more

[midnight tide]

auto hdr is so bad tbh i'd rather play games in sdr

[drowsy wolf]

U have red hdr also

Rtx

[midnight tide]

yeah this is decent actually

but tbh once 3.0 comes out, I'll wait for wuwano the goat to cook something

before launching the game

[drowsy wolf]

Nah I want to pull Lynae

She my type

[midnight tide]

fucking same bro

but hdr is prority

[drowsy wolf]

🥴

Maybe they do fix native hdr

Who knows

Zzz native hdr is really good

[midnight tide]

I think it will happen at some point

but 3.0 is way too early for that

[drowsy wolf]

I mean zzz got native hdr way before wuwa

[midnight tide]

It just depends on devs will to implement it

Genshin and HSR still dont have decent hdr

[drowsy wolf]

Im gonna expect them to do a good job if they actually do add it

[drowsy wolf]

Genshon and honksi are just money hungry dev

Zzz is goner dev

😀

[midnight tide]

they actually care about their game

[drowsy wolf]

Yea

[midnight tide]

like kuro tbh

[drowsy wolf]

True

[clear holly]

What are you on about

The game has no hdr, still need maple renodx mod

Unless it literally is brand new in the hidden dx12, but that wouldn't be "way before"

DX12 has no shader cache so it's ass anyway (and apparently they removed it lol)

[drowsy wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc1oUzABGDQ

?

[echo ridge]

Its absolute trash

What the fuck are you on

Lmao

[drowsy wolf]

what are u on about

is way better than autohdr and rtx hdr

u cant be serious right

[echo ridge]

Have you seen the actual native implementation on ps5?

There is no native hdr on pc

Only a renodx mod

[drowsy wolf]

ur comparing it to renodx

[echo ridge]

Have you actually booted the native implementation

[drowsy wolf]

ofc renodx is gonna do a better job

[echo ridge]

And play it

...

The video you linked

[drowsy wolf]

asnwer the question

[echo ridge]

Is also the pc version most likely

[drowsy wolf]

u think is worst than autohdr and rtx hdr ?

[echo ridge]

Its better than nothing

[drowsy wolf]

thats not an answer

is an yes or no

dont give me the congressman answer

[echo ridge]

Is it really good?

No

Thats why i said

Its better than nothing

[drowsy wolf]

thats still not an answer

it is worst than auto hdr and rtx hdr

ur saying comparing it to nothing

not comparing to those 2