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[wet crane]

the outfits in wuwa are too "busy" imo

lots of cutouts, "tech holes", useless decorative elements

[midnight tide]

I mean I like "fuller" design but they need to be clean

like with no unecessary stuff

Genshin has a lot of characters like that

[wet crane]

some of the colab outfits are really nice

like this SK outfit

it's probably a me issue too, I love "normal" clothes, and I'm not a huge fan of fantasy bs outfits

[midnight tide]

probably a you issue yeah 🤣

it's fine tho

[sharp quail]

Does reno affect fps?

[wet crane]

yes

it's not "free", but it's cheaper than RTX HDR on normal quality preset

[sharp quail]

I see 👍

[dusty tiger]

Might be only 6%. But honestly, If it is just more fun than playing Rover that is all I really care about.

[drowsy wolf]

is there a way to fix rtx hdr over saturation?

like highlight

[wet crane]

Buling looks cool

[crystal thistle]

There is a saturation slider no?

[bleak light]

it starts off with default value, so u can only get it higher iirc

[sturdy cloak]

From what I now, default settings are a mess. For gama 2.2 and neutral saturation, contrast as to be at +25, and saturation at -25. White point is also wrong. 203 paper white is going to be at 44 middle gray.

otherwise, for any paper white : midGrayNits = paperWhiteNits * (0.5 ^ 2.2)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1b03yfg/rtx_hdr_paper_white_gamma_reference_settings/

this thread is regularly updated to take driver updates into account

[wet crane]

saturation should be -50

[fallen roost]

This is inaccurate. "Paper white" should only 203 with 1.2 gamma. It's 1.03 gamma with 100.

If you don't adjust the gamma after adjusting the reference white then it's not accurate

RTX HDR is just inverse tonemap so it's all whatever really

[wet crane]

I'm not sure why 'zawarudo' wants to use RTX hdr, RenoDX is better and faster

or at least not slower

if you want to use Inverse tonemapping then SK's normal HDR10 auto hdr if you want the fastest

but still Reno is not that much slower

new leaks

it's kinda cool, but idk nothing really special

[midnight tide]

So disappointed

I blame MPaul for this fiasco

I Will still pull for her though

[wet crane]

yea I want to get rid of Rover lol

too

[sturdy cloak]

I don't know, When you don't have other options, I think Lilium's inverse tone mapping in particular can be pretty good I think😅 ...

[wet crane]

Sure, but it's still fake hdr

I mean it's better than SDR

[sturdy cloak]

I mean yes, but I think it get's closer to the mark in bringing out highlight details that you don't see in sdr compared to RTX HDR for example.

[wet crane]

well yes you have more control over the settings

[fallen roost]

We only use itm for video because they're prerendered. I mean, that's what RTX HDR was built for: SDR Video. But when you have actual rendering, it doesn't compare well to true tonemapping.

Ramping highlights and contrast and saturation is whatever. You TV does that as well

[tawny geyser]

Thanks, I'll give this a shot. Here's hoping my installation doesn't croak.

[drowsy wolf]

Buddy im waiting for dx 11 patch since they changed it again

[echo ridge]

Thanks @halcyon meteor

Stole ur wuwu code for zzz mod

[echo ridge]

remember that thing where it wasn't upgrading the letterboxed cutscene cuz the resource wasn't the right aspect ratio

yeah that happens a lot in zzz

it renders stuff in 2:1 2.1:1 15:9, 1:1 when you have your screen in 16:9 🙂

[drowsy wolf]

no worry

[raven parrot]

anyone here that has league installed free to test smg for me?>

[echo ridge]

Why ask abt league in wuwa chat

[raven parrot]

ur oin league rn

[echo ridge]

https://youtu.be/8o12Z2ejpBc?si=fGIMbaujGnMyZTlp

[ancient fox]

hello i've installed renodx mod but it looks like my game is not really in hdr but more like a convert to sdr in my hdr mode is that normal?

it's very weird bc nothing change when i use the slide

[clear holly]

You took the latest version from here, not the snapshot from github hopefully ?

Also iirc if you used the filter or whatever feature in game, it breaks the mod
Need to delete LocalStorage.db or something somewhere in the game folders

[ancient fox]

i took the version from here and now it's better (my slide works) but my game crash when i teleport to another place sometimes lol

okay im going to check that ty

[clear holly]

Hmm, you are using reshade 6.6.x as d3d12.dll ?

If you use dlss framegen, you need #1413548071987576862

[ancient fox]

Okay i think he looks good now but when i activate ray tracing i have some flickers

[ancient fox]

im using reshade 6.5.1 and i use the dlss in game

lol idk why the screen look like this but in game its better (i use reshade for the screenshot)

[sturdy cloak]

Just saw it. I'm hooked.

[ancient fox]

can i use dlss 4 without problems ?

i desactivate framegen

[clear holly]

DLSS-SR 4 is fine.
DLSS-FG 4 is not fine, unless using "dlss fix"

That's only early access here, so you have to pay
Or use DLSS-FG 3, alongside DLSS-SR 4

then nvngx_dlssg.dll is framegen, use 3.7.x, and keep using 310.3.x for nvngx_dlss.dll (SR)

[clear holly]

DLSS 4 without framegen part, should work fine, no flicker

Make sure game is in borderless, disable other addons in reshade, update reshade to 6.6.x, update your gpu driver, idk

Try without RTSS if it was running

Well I don't know what you mean by "I have some flicker", and that's about Rt 🤔

The game RT can change brightness and lightinf when moving around, but not rythmic flicker like dlss-fg bug does

[ancient fox]

yes i can confirm

thank you very much for your help

[ancient fox]

flickering appear when i used fg like you said

i just turn off

👍

[dusty tiger]

Can't play DNA due to this shit.
Game gonna sink with a first impression like this.

[wet crane]

yea I'm having network issues too

the game is a mixed bag so far

the combat is not bad

the controls are kinda bad

there is no walking animation it's just running

[serene glacier]

There is, press ctrl 😄

[wet crane]

The walking/running animations are not dynamic when you use a controller

[serene glacier]

Cmon its a free mobile game

[wet crane]

pressing a button to walk instead of using the analogue stick is weird

[wet crane]

it's not really a mobile game, it runs on mobile 😄

and it's a basic thing, I don't care that it's free

they will probably fix it tho

[serene glacier]

I think they wont

Nobody cares

[wet crane]

why not? I don't think that it's intended

[wet crane]

you are not everyone 😄

people cared less about RTGI

and Kuro fixed it

[serene glacier]

Witcher 3 does not have either
There are 3 modes
Walk, jog and sprint

Thats it

But it does not make a game bad

[wet crane]

that's wrong you can use a controller to "slow down" and walk

[serene glacier]

Its a game that was meant to be played handheld, just look a the ui and ui controls

[serene glacier]

Idk, i played on kb

[wet crane]

for real? xD

[serene glacier]

Wuwu on kb yes

W3 both

[wet crane]

so "nobody cares" because you use M/K?

rofl

[serene glacier]

No, i mean that there are few people who even know that character speed can be adjusted with analog stick

[wet crane]

thats bs cmon

it's like telling people that there is only full throttle and max braking force in racing games

because that's how racing games work on M/K most of the time

[serene glacier]

Well, most people play like that

[wet crane]

console and mobile players use analogue sticks 😄

well it's simulated on mobile

[serene glacier]

They use but they cant comprehend

[wet crane]

people are not stupid

[serene glacier]

R u sure?

[wet crane]

yes

[serene glacier]

Thats your opinion

[wet crane]

there are stupid people ofc but not everyone

the vast majority of players are normal people

[serene glacier]

I respect that but i think that most gamers play like fifa and shit

Statistically

Majority

[wet crane]

and in fifa you actually need to control your team precisely with a controller

[serene glacier]

Ah shit, u need to properly use analog stick to kick the ball in fifa xdd

Orbit was nba, i dont remember

[wet crane]

telling me you never played a football game without telling me that you never played a football game

[serene glacier]

Man, youre toxic

Are you 12?

[wet crane]

me?

look in the mirror

lol

[serene glacier]

What did i say?

[wet crane]

everything you said was kinda toxic from the start lol

[echo ridge]

Uh for this one people are

[serene glacier]

I just told that there is actually walking animation i wuwa

And you started arguing

[wet crane]

wuwa?

[serene glacier]

Wuthering waves

[wet crane]

we were talking about DNA..

[serene glacier]

Oh

Whats that xd

[wet crane]

Duet Night Abyss

[echo ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[serene glacier]

Ah, ok, i misunderstood

[wet crane]

#1411110125732892807 message this is DNA

[serene glacier]

Sorry then

[echo ridge]

Reading skill issue

[serene glacier]

Another toxic person

We are in wuwa thread, i saw some anime shit screenshot and thougght about wuwa, my brain just ignored dna because for me its like human DNA xd

[wet crane]

yea well fair enough, it's off topic

[echo ridge]

I am

https://tenor.com/view/toxic-gif-26435820

[serene glacier]

But wuwa controls are indeed mediocre xd

[wet crane]

I disagree

[serene glacier]

Character gets stuck all the time

[wet crane]

it's a fully open world game where you can freely fly anywhere, you can climb anything, the animations are really smooth and fine tuned to near perfection lol

but yea you can get stuck here and there

I had no issues with characters getting stuck tho

[midnight tide]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

Mpaul since basically 1h

[drowsy wolf]

@halcyon meteor 😢

[serene glacier]

I dont get the hate

We had a misunderstanding and i already said that i was wrong. There is nothing to comment on

[midnight tide]

Chill bro just a joke its all good

I can kinda agree with your take tho since I find playing wuwa with a controller very odd

But if people find it usable or enjoyable somehow who am i to judge

[drowsy wolf]

um let me find it

[verbal schooner]

very nice we getting the cutting edge stuff in wuwa mod

[drowsy wolf]

Tyty

My eyes can finally stop bleeding from rtx hdr

[echo ridge]

Very nice edging in wuwa

[drowsy wolf]

@halcyon meteor it is possible you try dx11 is still clamp mine cant go pass 600 even if i set it to peak 1100 i think kuro might have changed something ty

[drowsy wolf]

let m,e try again

same thing

[drowsy wolf]

i think is fixed after i download 6.6.2 reshade

[drowsy wolf]

@halcyon meteor 2 more that was clamp

i think i found the issue if i set the scene grading anything above 50 everything just cut the brightness -50%

i still dk wtf is going

[drowsy wolf]

the 600 nit is when i set it to scene grading 100 it drops to it

1.1k is when i put it at 50

[wet crane]

poor Galbrena

you turned her into a hooker 🤣

[grave tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-bob-meme-bob-stare-are-we-deadass-bob-meme-hd-gif-7915769545313185430

[drowsy wolf]

playing a gacha game might aswell go full goon

[echo ridge]

Counterpoint

She was always dressed like a hooker

Ur just conditioned by wuwa that its normal

[drowsy wolf]

even her movement set

lmfao this character is for goon

[wet crane]

semi-hooker maybe

[grave tiger]

am I crazy or I dont see it that way

[drowsy wolf]

in my opinion this character is for fan service

[grave tiger]

dont you have a goon skin for every character in wuwa

i remember your augusta

[wet crane]

well turning characters into pink bunny hookers is still better than using naked mods

haha

[drowsy wolf]

yes but this one suit the mod better because of her movement set

my augusta is not that goon tbh

[echo ridge]

Narrator: he lies as easily as he breathes

[grave tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-goofy-cringe-what-gif-10708284611264215060

[wet crane]

tell that to Augusta

"you look great half-naked girl, what's the issue?"

but I have to agree that most of the outfits in wuwa look bad

but it's just normal gacha game stuff

[drowsy wolf]

Is a party dress though

[echo ridge]

Party dress strippers wear in bachelor parties

[wet crane]

"party" dress that comes with a massive boob job hahaha

[midnight tide]

You’re a gooner too bro what the hell

[grave tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-wth-oh-nah-sus-what-the-helly-gif-6184043860085956991

[wet crane]

Sure, I like pretty girls and cool/nice outfits I guess, this is not why I play wuwa though, but changing a character/model's proportions or removing their clothes is lame and immature imo

[midnight tide]

https://tenor.com/view/100legit-100percent-legit-100percent-100-gif-26345339

[drowsy wolf]

u say that but i have seen girls wearing much more exposed clothes in party

[proven comet]

whyyyyyy she's dressed like that HAHAHAHAH

[drowsy wolf]

gooning purpose 🙂

[wet crane]

You do you, but I still think that modding a character's breast size or removing their clothes is really stupid and immature

[drowsy wolf]

i guess people dont have right to get an better outfit and in ur logic wuwa should never make any skin since the beach skin had more skin showing '

[wet crane]

official outfits respect the original character

[drowsy wolf]

but u said removing clothes is immature ?lmfao

[wet crane]

it is

[drowsy wolf]

wuwa is removing clothes so they can sell us the skin

so ur saying kuro is immature?

[wet crane]

that's their business model

but no I'm talking about people turning characters naked

[drowsy wolf]

but shes not naked ?

[wet crane]

I'm not talking about you

but in general

[drowsy wolf]

then you should correct your statement only kuro has the right to remove clothes

[wet crane]

they have the right ofc, but they will never sell nude skins

[drowsy wolf]

and galbrena is already exposed enough tbh

[wet crane]

yes that's the point

[drowsy wolf]

but i dont play with nude skin though?

[wet crane]

making her even more exposed is stupid

[wet crane]

I'm still not talking about you ffs

[drowsy wolf]

buddy this is literally for me

ffs

[wet crane]

yes

that has nothing to do with nude characters

[drowsy wolf]

but im talking about the part u said because the mod i used is removing some of their clothes and ur saying is immature and stupid

isnt that the argument ?

[wet crane]

you increased Augustas breast size and edited Galbrena's default outfit to be more lewd

[wet crane]

it is stupid an immature lol

sex sells ofc

[drowsy wolf]

but then u said kuro doing it is fine ? so other people doing are immature ?

[wet crane]

no Kuro is not doing it fine, but they are respecting the original character's propositions at least

[drowsy wolf]

but im not talking about propotions im only talking about clothes

[wet crane]

I have no issues with nice outfits

outfits that make sense

I actually love nice clothes

[drowsy wolf]

but u just said removing clothes is immature. Outfits that make sense that is a wild spread subjet spec when the society makes women wear less and less cloths

[wet crane]

what makes sense = fits the character

[drowsy wolf]

but who define what fits a character?

[wet crane]

common sense and observation skills

[drowsy wolf]

so are u saying everyone has the same view on what a nice clothes should be in a game ?

and why does galbrena default make sense when she is already dress up like a prosti in the first place

[midnight tide]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[wet crane]

it doesnt make sense that's the point

xD

she wears revealing clothing

[drowsy wolf]

but you said kuro design it and it make sense because is from theM?

[wet crane]

well, they made the character, but actually no, they are gooner baiting

[drowsy wolf]

and if it doesnt make sense so ur agreeing kuro is immature also?

because they are making is gonner baiting

that mean = to immature

[wet crane]

yes Kuro's character designs are immature more or less

[drowsy wolf]

ok if kuro are already immature why shouldnt people edit the mod to make the skin look better when it is already exposed spec kuro clothing are pretty bad in choice

[wet crane]

because those modded clothes look even worse

[drowsy wolf]

and isnt it what a character design and gonner bait that make people spend money on a character?

[drowsy wolf]

ah so is because we are making it more exposed than the default i see

[wet crane]

yes this is the gacha business model

[wet crane]

pretty much

[drowsy wolf]

i guess people should not spend any money on a character skin in the futur because default is already expose enough we dont need no swimming suit skins 🙂

[wet crane]

don't get me wrong, I have no issue with people liking these outfits, but I do think it's immature to dress up the characters into even more revealing clothes

[drowsy wolf]

but is doing it themself with carlotta and changli skin

kuro

they want their game to attract goner

[wet crane]

yes because they want to make money

lol

I hate the gacha business model

and gacha games in general

[drowsy wolf]

but dna is only comestic

[wet crane]

but I really like the combat and world design in wuwa "unfortunately"

[drowsy wolf]

and u know damn well they gonna release expose skin

so is that a bad business modeL?

[wet crane]

dna outfits are not great either tbh

[wet crane]

it's not a bad business model no, they make a lot of money selling skins

it don't have to like it tho

[midnight tide]

I dont think character with decently revealing skin is immature though

Thats a bit too much

[wet crane]

nice outfits are nice yes

[drowsy wolf]

so they business model would be good even if they had to release expose skin for money right since all character are free

[midnight tide]

I mean none of the characters ive seen in wuwa are that much of a goon bait

It is pretty fair

Compared to korean games for example

[wet crane]

in wuwa, Phrolova's outfit is probably the best in terms of design imo, and it's a semi believable outfit too. Galbren's outfit fits the lore more or less too btw, it's stupid, but she is always hot, and she has to cool herself all the time 😅

[drowsy wolf]

but her movement set is a hardcore goner bait

[wet crane]

yea I agree, there are some trully gooner bait games from Koera lol

[wet crane]

yea it's DMC/Bayonetta

sexy animations are not really a problem imo

[midnight tide]

Exposing even more skin tho against dev’s creative intent is immature that is my take on the matter

[wet crane]

as long as it fits the lore/look of the character, and it doesn't fit Galbrena at all, she is super serious lol

[drowsy wolf]

but it doesnt even fit her character it fits more canderella

[wet crane]

yea I have no issue with Catarella's sexy animations, it fits her character very well

her outfit is kinda lame tho

[midnight tide]

The breast is a little bit too much

[wet crane]

yea, I get it they wanted a floating jellyfish like breast but it's stupid

[midnight tide]

I like changli design the most I think out of all the characters revealed

Iuno is a solid second

[wet crane]

hmm yea Changli is fine, but that blindfold thing makes no sense

[midnight tide]

I agree yeah but it’s only during her forte

[wet crane]

I can accept that Iuno is wearing a Greece priestess outfit or something

it kinda makes sense

[midnight tide]

It does lore wise at least

[wet crane]

yea

[midnight tide]

Carlotta summer skin makes no sens to me

[wet crane]

I really like Danjin's outfit too btw

[midnight tide]

It’s alright, I feel like its very good for a 4 stars character yeah

For a 5 stars it would have been a bit too simple

[wet crane]

yea true, but I like simple 😄

the best looking outfits in games are usually the very low level realistic looking clothes haha

[midnight tide]

Although you can have a simple but still efficient design like Phrolova

[wet crane]

yup

[midnight tide]

I mean it depends right, the art style is carrying a lot in that regard

[wet crane]

Sanhua is nice too

even her special skin

[midnight tide]

Yeah I agree

[wet crane]

it's very elegant

[midnight tide]

Encore is bad i dont like it

[wet crane]

the kid characters ingame look horrible imo

Verina is probably the worst lol

I mean their outfits

[midnight tide]

Tbf genshin designed them better

Klee and Nahida are pretty well designed

But I dont really like seeing them in games

Considering the amount of weirdos playing gacha games nowadays

[wet crane]

well designed kid characters are fine, but yea I don't like them either

[dusty tiger]

I don't like kid characters in any game. It is a dumb archetype.
Don't @ me. I know I'm right. XP

[crystal thistle]

Bro knows what he doing

[crystal thistle]

Yea, whi adding a child in a game theb say, yea let's add a skirt

[echo ridge]

experimental hdr look preset based on v3 highlights and v3 shadows

[echo ridge]

slight update

liking the results so far

[echo ridge]

SDR 100nits / Highlights V3 preset / Highlights V1 preset

SDR 100nits / Highlights V3 preset / Highlights V1 preset

@fallen roost i havent been following but what curve u usin for v3 this time

V1 preset / V3 preset

probably not as obvious in screenshots now that im looking at it but midtones should be less harsh

[fallen roost]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/owavbrlydv doesn't mess with midtones (0.18)

[echo ridge]

makes sense

i have to indrectly mess with the midtones this time by changing contrast

but the end result is pretty pleasing tbh

[alpine kestrel]

does itu define midtones

[echo ridge]

btw, assuming we dont do anything extra highlights v3 should be default for every mod right

or we have to add a toggle for it or specifically call it

[glad mauve]

It is set to default in colorgrade.hlsl atm

just need to have the version of colorgrade.hlsl that has it

then rebuild .addon

[fallen roost]

midgray is for skintones

18% ish

[alpine kestrel]

so then would it make sense to start at 0.65 for example instead of 0.18

[fallen roost]

hermite spline doesn't let you choose

oh, you mean highlights

the curve uses min(x, so starting later is going to cause it to ramp awkwardly, this is 0.8 (delta over x)

when at 0.18, 75 highlights ramping is around around 0.58 linear, which is about 78% in 2.2 gamma,

maybe like, around 0.38 can be fine

[alpine kestrel]

also highlights seems to be too strong

moving the slider from 50 to 51 takes 45.0 and turns it into 250.0
no display mapping highlights 50 / 51

should the boost it applies be capped to a certain value

[fallen roost]

yeah, needs a pow, or somehting

or log

should be on CPU though, because that pow is wasteful on gpu

[alpine kestrel]

I mean the slider itself isn't the issue though

its affecting brighter highlights too much

[fallen roost]

i'll have to try tunic, because in games with meh range it's okay

[alpine kestrel]

      value = max(x, lerp(x, mid_gray * pow(x / mid_gray, highlights), min(1.5f, x)));

something simple like this seems to work fine

just clamping the ramp

[fallen roost]

do reinhard instead

x/(x+1)

instead of min so it curves to 1

or curves to 1.5, or whatever

instead of min(1.5, x)

[alpine kestrel]

1.25 looks good

[fallen roost]

x/((x/1.25) + 1) basically,

opendrt has a "zone" for highlights

[alpine kestrel]

highlights below 1 is also too strong

[fallen roost]

it's just lowering peak really

1+ (sign(highlights - 1) * pow(abs(highlights - 1), 10.f)

[vital moss]

What was the dll name for reshade again?

For some reason I can't get reshade to open with the Home key

[pulsar gazelle]

dxgj.dll？

[little adder]

Hey guys where should I put reshade dxgi for this game? Does it have anticheat so I have to inject it without messing with game folder?

[glad mauve]

dxgi has to be renamed to d3d12.dll

as dxgi doesnt load

Wuthering Waves Game\Client\Binaries\Win64

place it in the above file path

[clear holly]

Surely this is just a regular military uniform this time

[grave tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-gif-15190379

[proven comet]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-gif-15190379

https://tenor.com/view/fall-snow-day-hold-my-coffee-slipping-on-ice-sliding-gif-16076972

[vital moss]

Oh hell na

[zinc knoll]

hello guys I’m new to this , I’m trying to make it Look good with HDR too , but I wonder what’s the in game brightness setting you guys having at? I’m using the Alienware 2725df QDOled

[dusty tiger]

Usually you set peak brightness to what the 10% value of your screen is.

Yeah, mb. Game settings should be default.

[zinc knoll]

im currently using this , and feel so good with this but i dont know if i do wrong

[midnight tide]

That is a pretty saturated wuwa i must say

All good if you enjoy it tho

[serene glacier]

Theres absolutely nothing wrong if you enjoy it 😄

[echo ridge]

I think you're forgetting to switch the color space from bt709 to bt2020

[clear holly]

Phoebe piss yellow hair at 75 sat 😭

[zinc knoll]

If I change to Bt2020 it will become too saturated, so I stay with this bt709 haha

[clear holly]

Only bt709 is accurate anyway

[zinc knoll]

Also I don’t know why maybe my monitor using the Srgb colourspace , so the colour is not too saturated and good balanced I think 🤔 I use to natural colour which with my TV also LG C3 the Oled cure my Color correction haha

How can I screenshot an hdr picture so I can upload here too?

Wanna let you guys see if it’s too saturated

[clear holly]

You can with reshade, it saves it alongside the game exe
Check its settings HOME, to find the screenshot hotkey

Though a screenshot wouldn't show your potentially weird settings on your tv or monitor

Anything above ~60 sat, Phoebe hair will look piss yellow instead of blonde 😅

[zinc knoll]

I guess I need to take photo like this haha

[zinc knoll]

My setting is the most accurate Srgb setting in this Aw2725DF already

But they said playing games on QD Oled with SRGB is a crime

Need to check phoebe I guess but I don’t have the character how do I test ?

Phoebe hair look like this

But iknow what you mean the piss yellow hair mean ，i lower it a little bit now is much better

[vital moss]

You're playing a HDR game with SDR?

[copper ore]

any reason why contrast/saturation sliders aren't changing anything? UI brightness sliders are the only ones that seem to work... I usually use rtx hdr so def new to this lol

dx12 and everywhere so far it seems

Ohh hah that makes sense, github is where I got it from. tyty edit it works now :)

[sullen hawk]

hey guys, has anyone had issues with the Wuwa photo mode? I just checked my screenshot folder and all of the photos are just black.. like this

[alpine kestrel]

probably from upgrading to hdr

you'd have to use reshade's own built in functionality

if the game's photo mode allows you to hide the ui then you should be fine using that

[dusty tiger]

Game devs will do anything BUT support HDR.

[sullen hawk]

I see thanks guys, I'm not toggling that HDR off for photos lol

[echo ridge]

Hide UI

Take SS with reshade

???

Profit

[copper ore]

Is game brightness slider supposed to be at a certain setting or is it more personal preference? Assuming a peak brightness of 604

[fallen roost]

SDR is 203 generally.

604/203 is ~3:1 SDR ratio

[copper ore]

Ah gotcha, I had it at 203 but wasn't sure if I needed to set it otherwise... Should I be aiming for a 3:1 SDR ratio in other games as well? still learning all this lol

[fallen roost]

you can lower it if your viewing environment affords it.

203 is just the average SDR viewing brightness for Broadcast TV

so that became the "standard"

it's basically the safe goto number to not annoy people when adapting SDR graded content

"annoy" is the actual technical term btw.

though SDR TV is supposed to be graded to 100 nits, and PC is supposed to be graded to 80 nits. it's an easy to use brightness slider, basically.

1.15 - 1.16 refers to about 57 on the Contrast slider

[copper ore]

This both makes sense and further confuses me at the same time haha... but interesting stuff. Definitely a bit of a rabbit hole but 203 being an average makes sense

[fallen roost]

203 is just the number the industry has picked to be "when converting SDR to HDR, target 203"

[copper ore]

Gotcha, noted. HDR seems quite convoluted sometimes lol

[fallen roost]

it's more so that SDR was basically random for many reasons and legacy.

so how to migrate from random isn't an exact science

stuff made for HDR is straight forward. one output format, one color space

[copper ore]

Right. Converting SDR to HDR content seems to be where it gets... weird for lack of a better word

Only really started digging deeper into it all a few days ago tho

[fallen roost]

SDR is so loose that people don't view all view SDR in the same way. there's different gamma/encodings: srgb, 2.2, 2.4. different colorspaces (sRGB/BT709, Adobe, DCI-P3, etc)

[copper ore]

Right and different content is mastered in different colorspaces as well no? So there isn't one specific way that everything is done... At least that is what im gathering

[fallen roost]

SDR has the display decide the decoding (sRGB/2.2/2.4) and the colorspace (BT709/DCI-P3/Adobe/Native)

HDR doesn't the display really choose anything. it's "as authored" only (very minor D65/D93 issue with white balance but that is dying out and we're just doing D65)

Windows HDR says SDR content should be decoded sRGB. SDR Displays usually decoded in 2.2, not sRGB, so there's already disagreement there. There's no "metadata" in SDR to say how the display is supposed to decode it. it's basically manufacturer default

[copper ore]

Ohhh interesting. That's why autoHDR is all fucked up as well no?

[fallen roost]

and Netflix says SDR should be decoded in 2.4/BT.1886, so living rooms see SDR differently as well

[fallen roost]

Windows AutoHDR scales up the brightness, but from the starting position that SDR was meant to decoded in sRGB

RTX HDR also scales up the brightness, but has a slider for how it should have been decoded which... defaults to 2.0 (not a thing) but then also adds contrast to the image, so maybe balances out

and depending on when SDR was made it could be 2.35 (PS2/GameCube era), or even where (2.8 in Europe at a time)

[copper ore]

Yep, SDR isn't confusing at all

Haha but I am mostly following, really interesting stuff

Did not expect to go down such a rabbit hole all from trying to make RTX HDR work properly

but here we are lol

[fallen roost]

game devs don't fully understand this so it's why even shipped HDR can be borked when they try to support both SDR and HDR outputs

[copper ore]

reset for me is 604 peak/139 game, using my panel specific color profile in windows

[fallen roost]

@halcyon meteor game brightness not 203 is dead, fyi

because spec is 203 / 1000 + 1.2 gamma

and when you change peak / reference white, you also change gamma (contrast)

[copper ore]

Noted! I've gone between 139 and 203 a few times, was just curious if I was doing it properly :)

[fallen roost]

@halcyon meteor

1000/203 is assuming you have 1.2 gamma. 1.2 is basically supposed to emulate gamma(encodeBT709(x), 2.4)

when you put it all together, the reduce reference white, but less gamma, then it basically is just midgray matching

emulate HLG, which we don't really need to do because we're precise in our 2.2 gamma correction

HLG has hard assumptions it was encoded in BT709 (it wasn't) and it was meant to be decoded in 2.4 (also wasn't)

PC was encoded in sRGB and decoded in 2.2. HLG is a less accurate OOTF. it had some numbers to simulate the look of 2.4 decoding of BT709 encoded content (OOTF).

const double gamma = 1.2 + (0.42 * std::log10(local_peak_nits / 1000.0)); this is the HLG formula

yeah, but when you do the math, it's basically simulating 2.4 over bt709enc

like where everything lines up

the HLG gamma is an alternative to doing the long form math of sdr_encode/sdr_decode where SDR was bt709 encode and SDR was 2.4 decoded

i removed it, just experimented

somewhere around here in the channel

apparent SDR Display Emulation is called SDR OOTF

this, basically. hlg provides OOTF

the OOTF HLG provides isn't the one we want. we already built ours (2.2 from srgb)

the only good thing about is maybe viewing environment adjustment

yeah, i was looking to implement this

because right now it's 0.00 always

that has its uses, but not with 1.2 and whatever

like instead of bumping Game Brightness, they should decrease gamma. but that ends up being almost like Contrast anyway, except for some math related to midgray/reference white

Gamma pivots around 1.00 (reference white) whereas Contrast pivots around 0.18

if you can afford more range, reference white stays the same, just gamma/contrast gets moved.

messing with gamma and reference was to inverse what HLG has built in

so you can get a clean, expected output 1:1 camera => display output

which PQ doesn't need

the question is, does pivoting around 1.0 and reducing brightness to compensate do anything better than adjusting contrast around 0.18.

because it kinda nets in the same, a pivot around 0.18

at least in terms of how HLG did things

you could argue there's a better solution to maximum your range than HLG, that's fine. but HLG math isn't it

like 140/800 instead of 203/800 or whatever, but there's no rule here, except viewing conditions

gamma is probably the right one, but i also find 1.00 being the pivot point arbitrary

so that brings us back to contrast

theoretically, just peak and gamma

it would probably work in the other direction, where SDR is naturally flat, and then you add a boost of gamma/contrast the more you have

when you ask them to lower game brightness you're reducing midgray, so 0.18 pivot probably isn't it

yeah, like why 1.00 for 400 nits, but 1.2 for 1000

though HLG is a bit weird because it's basically 0-100% range

so you did that to compensate for the stretching

[zinc knoll]

im using hdr just that colour space i think is srgb?

[clear holly]

🤔
HDR is BT.2020

Probably just a setting only used in sdr, if he can choose 2.2 or srgb

Hard to say without saying exactly what the name of the setting is, and what values are available...

I think he has a AW, here on my AW3225QF the only similar thing is this

Color input format : RGB/YCbCr

[clear holly]

For ZZZ game, I use 140 game brightness, 1000 peak.
I play in a nearly fully dark room, and the game is pretty bright in general.
140 instead of 203 is less straining on my eyes, though noon looks a bit not bright enough but idrc
It makes the ABL not an issue, and VFX are bright and look great.

For wuwa though, I prefer to keep 203, even though the ABL kick in at noon 😔

Idk if that's a bad idea or not... 🤔
(In ZZZ I don't use the exposure setting bc UI nits is used during cinematics for background img, so I lower game and UI nits to 140 instead)

Maybe I should set my peak to ~900 🤔

[sturdy cloak]

Hi ! I read the whole conversation ! Fascinating stuff ! If slightly confusing with my surface level knowledge 😅... that said, since you pointed out the redit thread I linked to was inaccurate last time someone asked about it, could you maybe share the settings you think will produce the most natural SDR to HDR transition when using RTX HDR ? Not necessarily for gaming purposes by the way, but mainly for video content (since I would go for Lilium's or Pumbo's solutions if renodx wasn't an option). I did always think it looked slightly off compared to it's SDR source.

[analog glacier]

There’s this post on Reddit https://reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1b03yfg/rtx_hdr_paper_white_gamma_reference_settings/. But I feel it’s not accurate anymore, at least for me doesn’t look right. Tried to eyeball it but gave up, haha. I’d appreciate some tips too

[clear holly]

There's autoHDR, with TRC fix in reshade.
And there's SpecialK ITM that work in many games

Idk why you would use rtxhdr

[sturdy cloak]

Read my post again. I specifically stated it would be for video content.

[sturdy cloak]

That's actually exactly the reddit post I was referring to ! But as stated, ShortFuse already confirmed it to be inaccurate.

[fallen roost]

i did some stuff with mpv for inverse tonemapping and psuedo matched it to RTX HDR

RTX HDR is just inverse tonemap, probably per channel to boost saturation and luminance

you're better off with a reshade, even tinkering sliders. the real issue getting HDR signal out

though... i'm pretty sure crosire (Reshade creator) worked for Nvidia at a time and there's some Nvidia thing that works with reshade shaders....

nvidia freestyle

[sturdy cloak]

I can get reshade working with video content?

[sturdy cloak]

Well, the saturation boost is precisely what irks me.

[fallen roost]

via mpv, it's possible, though janky. but if we just want post process, i think freestyle might be a better solution (i'd bet Crosire wrote it)

[sturdy cloak]

You mean, like injecting a better inverse tone mapping through Nvidia filters ?

[fallen roost]

correct

[sturdy cloak]

That's pretty cool !

Didn't it was even feasible !

Did this Crosire gentlemen post that on github ? I should definitely be checking this out.

[sturdy cloak]

By "if we just want post process" do you mean there is ways to achieve sdr to hdr video conversion without a post-process technique ?

[fallen roost]

the underlying issue is telling windows to not draw the window as an 8/10bit SDR one, but a 10/16bit HDR one. AutoHDR will do that for you, but doesn't give you a venue for post processing

inverse tonemapping is post process

so RTX HDR is both forcing an HDR window and also inverse tonemapping (post process)

i'm more interested in games that don't support Reshade

if i can get ReShade to inject it's not a problem to paint it on an HDR window (even DX9/OpenGL games)

[sturdy cloak]

I see. Then does that mean that for multimedia content, inverse tone mapping occurs but without the change to an hdr window ?

I would always give priority to reshade when it comes to games anyway.

Last question while I'm thinking about it ! After that I'll stop bothering you, I promise 😅 ! Would it bother you to perhaps share educational content/resources regarding all technicals off sdr and hdr ? Seeing the conversation you just had with Wuwano, I would be pretty interested in trying to get a deeper understanding of those concepts!

[fallen roost]

https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/rep/R-REP-BT.2390-11-2023-PDF-E.pdf BT2390 is a good, all-in-one summary of some stuff.

https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/rep/R-REP-BT.2408-8-2024-PDF-E.pdf BT2408 is the more technical (how to HDR) information

[fallen roost]

MPV and other media players know to turn on HDR, so that's not really a problem. but for games that don't support ReShade because anti-cheat i think RTX HDR and AutoHDR can slip past their protection

[sturdy cloak]

Right. So no problems there. Definitely gonna check Crosire work on the matter !

[fallen roost]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-gtx-16-series-super-game-ready-driver/

GeForce Experience’s Capabilities Expand With The Introduction Of ReShade Filters

[sturdy cloak]

Thanks for the links ! I will check this out !

[fallen roost]

https://github.com/crosire/reshade-shaders/tree/nvidia

[fallen roost]

can't figure out how to get nvidia to support custom filters with the new Nvidia App

[mossy rock]

isnt rtx hdr still 8bit

[fallen roost]

yes, with deband filter

you can't output HDR in an 8bit window, so it ups it to 10/16

though there is 10bit SDR, like in UE

[glad mauve]

@echo ridge @halcyon meteor

New UE5slop x HoYoVerseslop

They're hiring... Now is your chance

Native good HDR on launch

Not Anime or gatcha

[echo ridge]

Can be just a research project

Plus its hoyoslop

[glad mauve]

Everyone will use UE5

Cant wait for Rockstar to switch over to UE5

Square Enix released some new data, most FF and DQ players are in their 40s

Zoomers are playing gatcha shit exclusively

Its over for us

[mossy rock]

is it really 10bit output

10bit sdr breaks mpos so i never bothered that

autohdr actually does gives you controls over its itm though

windows hdr slider controls diffuse white and hdr intensity in gamebar controls peak

[fallen roost]

it's a lut from what i inspected, so probably just a lerp

[mossy rock]

with windows hdr slider set to 0

its just an srgb 200nits image

[fallen roost]

if i could modify the AutoHDR LUT that would probably be enough

[mossy rock]

the problem with it is its way too bright

[fallen roost]

enough to make it look how i want (2.2, contrast, peak, midgray, etc)

[mossy rock]

200nits diffuse white minimum

[fallen roost]

i actually don't need any input, most of renodx doesn't analyze the entire image. it's just per-pixel, which means a LUT would do fine

[mossy rock]

do you mean a shader that work with autohdr

[fallen roost]

yeah, you can do that already with with ReShade if you can use ReShade, basically AutoHDR at HDR intensity 0 is SDR on HDR10

but microsoft gets to upgrade the swapchain to 10bit HDR and games don't know/block it because Microsoft is basically wrapping DirectX

[mossy rock]

its scrgb actually

[fallen roost]

using Pix you can actually see the swapchain and the lut

[mossy rock]

someone said its 16bit scrgb

[fallen roost]

yeah i don't think so, considering the flag is BufferUpgradeEnable10Bit

[vital moss]

You happen to know how to get hdr passthrough working?

[drowsy wolf]

do you guys leave on auto exposure in wuwa?

[sturdy cloak]

Yes.

[zinc knoll]

@clear holly this , when I was using sdr I choose to creator mode and set SRGB in monitor

Currently using this , and guys is there any improvement can do ? I don’t know if I m setting right

[zinc knoll]

If I setting to BT2020 with HDR

The colour more saturated

But the character skin become reddish

[grave tiger]

thats why you only use bt709

[grave tiger]

just use the hdr look button and set game brightness to default

[zinc knoll]

And adjust the saturated?

[zinc knoll]

Oh ?

[grave tiger]

if you want more saturation use the saturation slider

[zinc knoll]

But the hdr look is using the 2.2 gamma should I change to 2.4?

[grave tiger]

no only use 2.4 for ui

[zinc knoll]

Oh okay thanks bro , so the saturated slider only , and don’t change the highlight saturated setting right ?

[grave tiger]

I mean if you really want, but for my tastes the hdr look button does everything I want

[zinc knoll]

Idont know it’s my problem or when in the seven hills the colour looks wash out

If I don’t change the saturated slider

[grave tiger]

Try playing with the contrast or saturation slider until you like the image, you should use what you like

just dont change color space or gamma

and game brightness to 203

[clear holly]

Game brightness you can use what you prefer, but 350 is really high (for 1000 peak)
Your monitor will likely have aggressive ABL to dim it down, which would make this high value basically non effective (besides lowering contrast and highlights as a side effect..)
I wouldn't use a value like that unless you play with the sun reflection on your monitor lol

I open reshade UI and hide half the game with it, then I open/close it multiple time with a bright scene.
If I can see the half image get significantly dimmer when I close reshade UI (and brighter when I open it), I know the ABL is being aggressive (and I should reduce game brightness)

In a really dark room, I use game brightness 120-203 depending on the game and how much eye strain I am able to endure for the day lol

[echo ridge]

wrong

you only use BT2020

BT709 = sdr color

sdr color = bad

bad = not good

[clear holly]

Need a feature to force every color outside of BT709, make everything neon color

[clear holly]

This but the cat is a flashbang

[vital moss]

Don't forget wet puddle and overcast weather

= wow ultra realism

[raven parrot]

yall, renodx aint coming up in addons in reshade

can anyone help me troubleshoot

[clear holly]

Reshade with addon version, dll as d3d12
alongside the ...shipping.exe
Same for the addon64
If needed, change the path in the addon tab to an absolute one
Restart the game

[raven parrot]

reshade addon version> skipped all addons, primary path is to wuwa.exe

addon64 in same location

restarted

nth

tried to client too in binaries

[clear holly]

Yeah in client/binaries or whatever

Just right click open with 7zip, for reshade addon version installer.exe
Take ReShade64.dll and rename it to d3d12.dll, put it in the binaries folder with shipping exe

Delete any old reshade.ini, and restart the game.
Should auto load the addon if it's alongside the exe and d3d12.dll

Btw, use the addon64 from [here](#1411110125732892807 message), not from github

[raven parrot]

this it?

couldnt find Reshade64.dll

delted ini text file

it worked!

ty

just needed to use addon64 from discord and rename to d3d12.dll

[clear holly]

👍
Now you can test the two built-in presets, HDR look and Vanilla+
Make sure peak brightness is what your monitor can handle
And game brightness to what you like and doesn't make ABL too painful (probably 203 or below, not above)
Oh and I would decrease UI brightness to 120 or smth

[raven parrot]

ty

[clear holly]

What about a setting to have shortfuse filmgrain during cinematics ? 🤔
Well, maybe not that useful for anime artstyle..

[clear holly]

Hmm could that make cinematics not be at UI nits ? Or not possible

[clear holly]

Probably hard to dump, as you can't pause cinematics, and I don't think there are replayable cinematics :/
I guess predump all shaders, then snapshot and dump during a cinematic, and see the few new ones with "last modified" date in explorer

[echo ridge]

Close the game

And run the cinematics again

[clear holly]

Alt-f4 before it finishes, should work yeah

[echo ridge]

go ahead and do it

[clear holly]

50/50 winrate (missing a few ones):
Wuwa: 20%
ZZZ: 31%

Bottom 7% in ZZZ, bruh (5 won 50/50, 11 lost 50/50)

the wuwa tracker seems completely wrong, looks more like bottom 1.76% (3 won 50/50, 12 lost 50/50)

[drowsy wolf]

lol

and i lost every 50 before canterella so bas 10% winning 50

[clear holly]

Also really unlucky, but you pulled less than me
The more you pull, the closer to 50% you should get

Tbh there's one missing won 50/50, I did pull jiyan and yinlin

[drowsy wolf]

i pulled more i have every character except qiuyuan and shore it just doesnt show

i lost 50 on all the rest

the only character that i won 50 is zani and thats when i spend 300 to get her c3

[vital moss]

Does RenoDX work on DX11?

[vital moss]

Nice

[raven parrot]

yall i heard you can disable UID in renoDX

is that true?

[vital moss]

More ui options would be a sentinel send 🙏

Ui scale and the option to seperate the in game hud transparency from the menu map etc

[coral thorn]

Is it possible to use nvidia DLSS with renodx?

[vital moss]

It uses reshade it shouldn't affect the game

[coral thorn]

I meant FG

I see I need to use dlss fix

Where I can get those dll files?

Found

Well, I get this for some reason

[sturdy cloak]

On startup ?

[coral thorn]

Yes

It shows login menu and then crashes

[sturdy cloak]

I get similar crashes when using dlssfix, but during gameplay. When using the utility wheel usually. That's why I keep using 3.8.10 for fg. Someone told me they found a way to get it working, but Ididn't get around to test it out yet.

[coral thorn]

3.8.10?

Probably in early access, isn't?

[sturdy cloak]

What ?

I'm talking about dlssg's dll.

On the contrary

That's an older version of dlssfg still using the cnn model.

Curent is 3.10.4 I think.

If you're crashing pb isn't related to renodx's dlssfix like I assumed though, then I have no idea what causes it.

[mossy rock]

310.4 removed all cnn models

[sturdy cloak]

Yes. But 3.8.10 is still cnn

So if you're lacking success with dlssfix, it's still the way to for frame gen.

[sturdy cloak]

Do you mean that wasn't the case with 3.10.3 ?

[mossy rock]

you can still choose cnn preset with 310.3 though fg doesnt have a preset so its transformer only

[sour cloud]

If you use the Reno build of Reshade that’s pinned in #📝welcome , then it (should) work

[crystal thistle]

I bet reno would still be better than native

Knowing kuro

[coral thorn]

I have tried

[vast vigil]

how to fix if sliders do not give any change

[midnight tide]

@echo ridge have you updated your reno settings recently ?

[vast vigil]

Ah I guess I was using the old build, thanks

[wet crane]

I'm still using the same 1:1 SDR match preset:

[sturdy cloak]

Hey ladies and gents ! Do you have thoughts on todays livestream ?

[pulsar gazelle]

interim version

[sturdy cloak]

What do you mean ?

[pulsar gazelle]

I am interested in ray tracing performance optimization
I wonder how they optimize the performance of ray tracing
I am very concerned about this point

[pulsar gazelle]

In today's live stream, it seems that the 2.8 version will be similar to the 1.4 version

[sturdy cloak]

Well they also talked about improving RTGI's quality. Although I am right with you in being scared, I think there is hope. They showed some comparison screens. Do you think hardware lumen could be on the table ?

[sturdy cloak]

I began with 2.3 so😅 ... I won't be of much help there !

[pulsar gazelle]

[sturdy cloak]

There seems to be significantly more content coming our way than 2.7 though. I also hope the new zone is going to be fun to explore !

It also seems we're finally getting some actual combat content. That can't hurt !

[pulsar gazelle]

Oh my god
I forgot that there are new maps to explore in version 2.8

👍

[sturdy cloak]

Well 2.7 was pretty depressing on that front 😢

[sturdy cloak]

Lol 😂

Fair though !

[midnight tide]

The lack of combat event was definitely the most damaging

Tbh I still think 3.0 is the next big thing. 2.8 seems cool but nothing beats a new region

Fun fact, the last good genshin’s patch for me was 2.8

[sturdy cloak]

That's a worrysome coincidence ...😅

[sturdy cloak]

I love both exploration and combat in this game. Since there wasn't the one nor the other, 2.7 certainly was the most disappointing patch for me so far (started during 2.3). The fact that both seem to make a comeback for 2.8 definitely assuages me. But you're right of course. Nothing beats discovering a full new region ! I am definitely excited for my first full version in wuwa.

[midnight tide]

Yes ageed ! Although I’d say it’s only the second part of 2.7 considering we had a very good conclusion for the whole Rinascita arc with the first half. Granted, the main event was still bad

[sturdy cloak]

I think it's probably going to be a self contained arc, like black shores or Mt firnament. We'll see how relevant it is in introducing 3.0. It can still be interesting though ! It certainly ties back to stuff we've been having questions about since black shores, and I really dig the overgrown aesthetic of the andandoned city. I really think it looks great, just hoping exploring it is going to be as enjoyable as it looks !

All that being said, I really didn't have any complaints with 2.7's narrative. On the contrary it was quite awesome. I'd give it a solid 7.5 or even 8 out of 10. By gacha standards, it might as well be 10 ! It was well put together, well realized, both answered and asked some interesting questions ! I really dig how the mystery thickened around the fractisidus! But as good as it was, I still think that it falls quite short of making a well rounded update on it's own.

Avidius's finally was also very good I think.

[midnight tide]

I would say 7.5 out of 10. I still have some issues regarding the pacing, and the return of Phrolova without any explanation and the lack of playable character's death. It does bring more value to a story having a main character dying. We've seen it with some Hoyo Games (HI3) and more recently with DNA. The power of friendship is really getting old, and I fear the day when I would just hate it altogether.
But by gacha standards I agree this is better than most story I've seen including Genshin. I just wish Wuwa was a bit more mature overall.

[clear holly]

Lumen in UE4 ? Lol no way

And I would rather not get lumen awful ghosting and boiling shadows

[sturdy cloak]

Well then you're going to be disappointed. Because it's already lumen that they backported to UE4. To my knowledge, software lumen. Wuwa's rtgi is lumen.

But yes, lumen is not my idea of a killer lighting system either.

[clear holly]

Pretty sure it's nvidia rtx branch of ue
Or the RTXGI plugin ontop of UE4 modified by kuro

Called RTGI, not lumen or "ray tracing"

[sturdy cloak]

Well lumen is an RTGI technique. Just a bad one...😂

[clear holly]

NvRTX fork of UE

[sturdy cloak]

But I think @vernal coral from U+ told us it was lumen back ported.

[clear holly]

What ARC Raiders also use, though them it's the branch updated to UE5

No, wuwa devs said they worked with nvidia for it

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/RTXGI-DDGI

[sturdy cloak]

Maybe the new enhanced rtgi would be Nvidias branch ? It really doesn't look like what Embark uses currently... but well, since there is big differences in style, I could very much be super wrong

[clear holly]

Kuro modified the engine a bit, so maybe, but probably would be a pain to merge with the nvidia branch
The RTXGI plugin is probably easier to use

But the question is, whether they changed what they use with the "improvements" we got in the last few updates

Or if they did just enable features from it to make it better but heavier

[sturdy cloak]

I would like to know for sure as well !

In their comparaison shot, both did look pretty different though, so I expect it's going to be a bit more than just slider tweaks !

[glad mauve]

Add Pathtracing

[clear holly]

Idk, they made the characters have AO/GI around it
Could just be a thing to tick

[glad mauve]

2077 being the tech showcase for PT is boring now

[sturdy cloak]

Isn't that a bit overkill?😅

[glad mauve]

I need a new game

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-no-nope-nah-never-gif-16208499

[sturdy cloak]

There also adding new AO by the way !

[clear holly]

Upgrade to UE5, give me lumen ghosting and boiling shadows, give me nanite 🗿

[sturdy cloak]

God please no

[glad mauve]

You see, if they employed the Dispatch strat of pre-renderinf everything into movie files

You wouldn't have stuttering

[clear holly]

I hope so, GI is not precise enough for making AO.
Probably why the black sphere around the character was happening

[glad mauve]

Or ghosting

[sturdy cloak]

Their adding DFAO to be precise

[clear holly]

What the fuck is that

GTAO is great already
But I think ue4 only has old ssao ootb

[sturdy cloak]

Distance Field Ambient Occlusion.

So AO for big scale occlusion I think ?

[glad mauve]

Digital Foundry AO

[sturdy cloak]

Probably an addition not a replacement

[glad mauve]

Curated by Alex

[sturdy cloak]

Lol😅

[clear holly]

I already barely get 90FPS with dlss perf and only RTGI (no rt shadows or reflections), on a fucking RTX4080...

I hope they also add GTAO, screen space for that is good enough

Or is GTAO already in ue4 ?
Maybe ini tweak suffice ?

[sturdy cloak]

Yes it can definitely look amazing. But I wouldn't hold my breath for this patch. Who knows though ! Maybe for 3.0

[clear holly]

I just see "capsule AO" in the game settings, no idea if it's ssao or gtao

[sturdy cloak]

I think it is. But it might depend on version ?

[sturdy cloak]

I think that's actually a bit weirder than that. Not sure. Let me check

[clear holly]

I will add

r.AmbientOcclusion.Method=1
r.GTAO.UseNormals=1

Just to be sure lol

[sturdy cloak]

Tell me if it changes stuff !

[sturdy cloak]

Can't actually find anything one capsule ao on Google... weird. But there's a lot of stuff for capsule shadows. That seems dedicated to stuff like contact shadowing, but I'm not sure.

[clear holly]

Feels more like a shitty translation lol

[vernal coral]

someone mentioned that to me, I've never played the game

[sturdy cloak]

OK I knew I wasn't getting that from nowhere. Just not from you...

Do you remember who it was ?

Well at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. They said it would be improved in 2.8. I just hope it actually will be !

[echo ridge]

it's lumen bud

lol

software lumen

this has been known for a while

the game uses UE5 lumen commands to tweak the RT

[echo ridge]

it is lumen backported

sometimes people are very confident even when they theyre wrong

r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.DownsampleFactor=64
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.RadianceCache.NumProbesToTraceBudget=180
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.Temporal.DistanceThreshold=0.05
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.TracingOctahedronResolution=4
r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.ScreenTraces.HZBTraversal.FullResDepth=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.ScreenTraces=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.DownsampleFactor=2
r.Lumen.Reflections.WaterDownsampleFactor=1
r.Lumen.TranslucencyReflections.FrontLayer.Allow=0```

default lumen config for RT at low settings

[sturdy cloak]

Ok so I'm not crazy !

Do you think the RT upgrade they talked about during stream could be hardware lumen ?

[echo ridge]

i just watched the trailer

what part did they mention rt in the stream

[sturdy cloak]

Last third, just before optimizations and the introduction of DFAO

[echo ridge]

yeah they were pretty vague about it

[sturdy cloak]

There are comparaison shots

[echo ridge]

the GI tweaks are probably for both RT and non RT

given that they dont mention anything about RT there

[echo ridge]

you might have that mixed up

they only mentioned better RT optimizations

with no comparison screenshots

[sturdy cloak]

They did the whole before after thing though with screen sliding right to left

I watched the whole thing

[echo ridge]

yes

if you watched it

in no place they mentioned

this is specific to RT

this is just GI improvement in general

this section is BEFORE the mention for RT optimizations

https://www.youtube.com/live/pr_pzCkGZKw?si=EYKwOtvjXpJ3VJ74&t=2868

[sturdy cloak]

I got no pb with this

[echo ridge]

after 2.8 update, you'll be able to enjoy improved GI and DFAO

in general

[sturdy cloak]

But did do comparaison shot so I assumed it was RTGI specifically

[echo ridge]

and then they mentioned RT optimization

no

probably just better method they're using for normal GI

DFAO is an improvement on both the non RT and the RT paths though

since the game doesn't use RTAO

[sturdy cloak]

So you think RT will be untouched ?

[echo ridge]

RT performance will be improved

that's what they mentioned

as for how they improve it we wont know until the update hits?

[sturdy cloak]

Fair enough

I just hope quality doesn't suffer when they try to improve performance.

Please let them break RTGI once but not twice...

[glad mauve]

So what you're saying

is that I should WaitTM

for HWRT before 'finally' sitting down and playing

Hopefully this actually includes all the reflections

because fuk using screenspace trace option

and disabling trace removes like half the reflections

[faint monolith]

The game initially used HWRT Lumen.

【[UFSH2025]《鸣潮》中的光线追踪: 用光线构建动漫风格开放世界 | 王鑫 库洛游戏《鸣潮》图形渲染组长-哔哩哔哩】 https://www.bilibili.com/video/av115394463405341

I'm not sure if there's an English version.

[echo ridge]

initially?

[echo ridge]

from what im gleaming quickly they initially considered path tracing

and ended up backporting lumen

dog ass 4060 couldn't handle path tracing smh

[glad mauve]

ASS

Have to deal with lumenslop

[echo ridge]

you should look on the bright side

[glad mauve]

when we could have had kinostir

[echo ridge]

RTXDI
mega geometry
more stuff included in RT like particles

[glad mauve]

Sooo when do I play?

[echo ridge]

2 is just better perf

and 1 is just RT on mobile/consoles

(mega cope)

[glad mauve]

Since I am now unemployed

I should just finish off watching all my anime

forget about reno modding

and play wuwa

[echo ridge]

it already looks pretty good

[echo ridge]

also @halcyon meteor they are considering moving to sm6.6 for better performance

sounds like work incoming

https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif-16731040

[glad mauve]

Wuwa update 4.0

with Gigatracing

and SM 7

they backport the game to DX9

so now you have to support 4 APIs

DX9, DX11,DX12 and DX13

[echo ridge]

[echo ridge]

inb4 the next patch with new gi and dfao is a full reset and we have to patch all dx11/12 shaders again

🙂

[clear holly]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1oxgbti/korean_wuwa_users_discover_major_optimization/

Even an AI would write better garbage lol (bad translation?)

I guess there's some truth to it, but I still get abysmal 1% lows on a 7800X3D

[proven comet]

on 4k ?

[raven parrot]

should you use Kuro tonemapping? If renoDRT and Kuro are on same time is that double tonemapping?

[lament epoch]

is the newest version pinned? cant see it

[clear holly]

Yeah

[glad mauve]

Is 2.8 out in 3 days?

[dusty tiger]

Thursday I think

[glad mauve]

fuk

welp I chose a great time to start the game

[clear holly]

Oh, I still haven't done the last main quests, I am still at the beginning of the new zone lol (to get the flowers for Augusta 😆 )

[glad mauve]

@echo ridge I am doing it

Actually playing the game

Checked out some gameplay for Endfield

I need

[echo ridge]

Its good dawg

Welcome to da klub

[glad mauve]

Galbrena

Gun wife

I was a Mesa main in Warframe

so this feels right at home

well (for the trial run)

[glad mauve]

Their PBR/NPR looks good

[echo ridge]

Yeah the material work is pretty sick

Better register for the beta

And give us day -1 hdr mod

[glad mauve]

if its a simple tonemappass maybe I can do in a day

but noooo

its going to be a trillion shenanigans

[clear holly]

What video ? Everything I've seen so far, the gameplay looks a bit boring and repetitive 🤔 Too simplistic, gameplay wise and animation wise

[glad mauve]

gameplay?

I am here for the waifus and factory building

I cant speak much on the gameplay front, all these games to me have the same 'mobile' tier gameplay

I checked out the recent beta footage floating about

[echo ridge]

Factorio with waifus

What more can one ask

[wet crane]

I really dislike the tails

[clear holly]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-wrap-command-gif-22656216

[drowsy wolf]

the game prob getting rtelease next year q2

[glad mauve]

He dislike snek gurls

Sic him

How do I mod Wuwa /s

want to see the skins

hold up, DX11 only?

into the bin

[clear holly]

Yeah of course
3DMigoto, so dx11

[glad mauve]

abysmal

missing out on frameslop and RTslop for some skins

[clear holly]

I need Augusta and Carlotta ponytail mod 😔

I can live without frameslop, as I get 90fps with only RTGI and dlss perf

[glad mauve]

So there is stuff outside of pure goonery

Mommy?

[clear holly]

🤤

oh she has muscle oh hell no

[glad mauve]

The rest is just pure goonDX

welp

not missing out on much

[glad mauve]

Game randomly CTDs for me on scene change

Wondering if its DLSS Fix

though I think this is PSO related?

Let me try to delete shader cache

[echo ridge]

Dlssfix likely

Ive never had a crash

[verbal schooner]

that's a dlssfix crash

[clear holly]

Could maybe try adding these to your engine.ini, I saw this in #1413548071987576862

r.Streamline.DLSSG.RetainResourcesWhenOff=1
r.Streamline.DLSSG.CheckStatusPerFrame=0

Considering it crash when dlss-fg get temporarily disabled (during loading screen) maybe this help

[glad mauve]

I already have RetainResources but not CheckStatus

I'll add it

Pog just got told a story about lambs

[raven parrot]

just me or does vanilla tonemap look better thn renoDRT

yeah i guess it depends on what area ur in and what character ur playing

in RenoDRT gotta crank up the contrast and saturation a bit which leads to better environments but whenever you play a flashbang champ like galb its unbearable

[raven parrot]

Anyone else encountering a bug where the screen darkens between ability flashes?

[sturdy cloak]

Vanilla tone mapping is sdr

[sturdy cloak]

If you want hdr that respects the sdr source though, feel free to use the vanilla+ preset though (button at the bottom of renodx). For your screen darkening, I have no idea. Are you using an Oled screen perhaps? Could it possibly be ABL ?

[glad mauve]

rip still crashing on scene change randomly

why do they have to do fade to black every chat

The fucking problems never end

[clear holly]

Fg slop, deserved

[crimson lynx]

I believe some players may encounter a fatal error when launching the game after following the tutorial to add the path and dlssfix. My personal solution is to change the model in the NVIDIA app to 'Set by 3D application'. If, like me, you previously changed the model to 'Transformer',
I used translation software, so some phrases may be inaccurate.

[raven parrot]

Camellya Carlotta, however after I changed some settings it went away

[raven parrot]

Pg27ucdm, I'm on true black 400 mode and it doesn't look like ABL, screen goes dark grey instead of dimming

[dusty tiger]

Record it and see if it happens in the recording too. Will allow you to determine if it is in fact ABL or not.

Think game bar records in HDR

[raven parrot]

I'll try to revert back to the buggy settings and record it. Changed alot of settings

[echo ridge]

use the presets

it is there for that purpose

both vanilla+ and HDR Look will match SDR closely